[Pandas-dev] Tidelift

[William Ayd]

Just some counterpoints to consider:

	- $ 3,000 a month isn’t really that much, and if it’s just a number that a well-funded company chose for us chances are they are benefiting from it way more than we are
	- There is no such thing as free money; we have to consider how to account for and actually manage it (perhaps mitigated somewhat by NumFocus)
	- Advertising and ties to a corporate sponsorship may weaken the brand of pandas; at that point we may lose some creditability as open source volunteers
	- We don’t (AFAIK) have a plan on how to spend or allocate it

Not totally against it but perhaps the last point above is the main sticking one. Do we have any idea how much we’d actually pocket out of the $ 3k they offer us and subsequently what we would do with it? Cover travel expenses? Support PyData conferences? Scholarships?

- Will

> On Jun 11, 2019, at 4:44 AM, Ralf Gommers <ralf.gommers at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 10:15 AM Joris Van den Bossche <jorisvandenbossche at gmail.com <mailto:jorisvandenbossche at gmail.com>> wrote:
> The current page about pandas (https://tidelift.com/lifter/search/pypi/pandas <https://tidelift.com/lifter/search/pypi/pandas>) mentions $3,000 dollar a month (but I am not fully sure this is what is already available from their current subscribers, or if it is a prospect).
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> It's not just a prospect, that's what you should/will get. NumPy and SciPy get the listed amounts too.
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> Agreed that the NumPy amount is not that much. The amount gets determined automatically; it's some combination of customer interest, dependency analysis and size of the API surface.
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> The current amounts are:
> NumPy: $1000
> SciPy: $2500
> Pandas: $3000
> Matplotlib: n.a.
> Scikit-learn: $1500
> Scikit-image: $50
> Statsmodels: $50
> 
> So there's an element of randomness, but the results are not completely surprising I think. The four libraries that get order thousands of dollars are the ones that large corporations are going to have the highest interest in.
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> Cheers,
> Ralf
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> Op za 8 jun. 2019 om 22:54 schreef William Ayd <william.ayd at icloud.com <mailto:william.ayd at icloud.com>>:
> What is the minimum amount we are asking for? The $1,000 a month for NumPy seems rather low and I thought previous emails had something in the range of $3k a month.
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> I don’t think we necessarily need or would be that much improved by $12k per year so would rather aim higher if we are going to do this
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>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 12:53 PM, Joris Van den Bossche <jorisvandenbossche at gmail.com <mailto:jorisvandenbossche at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Hi all,
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>> We discussed this on the last dev chat, but putting it on the mailing list for those who were not present: we are planning to contact Tidelift to enter into a sponsor agreement for Pandas.
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>> The idea is to follow what NumPy (and recently also Scipy) did to have an agreement between Tidelift and NumFOCUS instead of an individual maintainer (see their announcement mail: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/numpy-discussion/2019-April/079370.html <https://mail.python.org/pipermail/numpy-discussion/2019-April/079370.html>).
>> Blog with overview about Tidelift: https://blog.tidelift.com/how-to-start-earning-money-for-your-open-source-project-with-tidelift <https://blog.tidelift.com/how-to-start-earning-money-for-your-open-source-project-with-tidelift>.
>> 
>> We didn't discuss yet what to do specifically with those funds, that should still be discussed in the future.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Joris
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