[Pandas-dev] Tidelift

[Tom Augspurger]

On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 7:58 AM William Ayd via Pandas-dev <
pandas-dev at python.org> wrote:

> Just some counterpoints to consider:
>
> - $ 3,000 a month isn’t really that much, and if it’s just a number that a
> well-funded company chose for us chances are they are benefiting from it
> way more than we are
> - There is no such thing as free money; we have to consider how to account
> for and actually manage it (perhaps mitigated somewhat by NumFocus)
>

Perhaps Ralph can share how this has gone for NumPy. I imagine it's not too
work on their end, thanks to NumFOCUS.


> - Advertising and ties to a corporate sponsorship may weaken the brand of
> pandas; at that point we may lose some creditability as open source
> volunteers
>

Anecdotally, I don't think that's how the community views Tidelift. My
perception (from Twitter, blogs / comments) is that it's been well received.


> - We don’t (AFAIK) have a plan on how to spend or allocate it
>
> Not totally against it but perhaps the last point above is the main
> sticking one. Do we have any idea how much we’d actually pocket out of the
> $ 3k they offer us and subsequently what we would do with it? Cover travel
> expenses? Support PyData conferences? Scholarships?
>

Agreed that we should set a purpose for this money (though, I have no
objection to collecting while we set that dedicated purpose).


> - Will
>
> On Jun 11, 2019, at 4:44 AM, Ralf Gommers <ralf.gommers at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 10:15 AM Joris Van den Bossche <
> jorisvandenbossche at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The current page about pandas (
>> https://tidelift.com/lifter/search/pypi/pandas) mentions $3,000 dollar a
>> month (but I am not fully sure this is what is already available from their
>> current subscribers, or if it is a prospect).
>>
>
> It's not just a prospect, that's what you should/will get. NumPy and SciPy
> get the listed amounts too.
>
> Agreed that the NumPy amount is not that much. The amount gets determined
> automatically; it's some combination of customer interest, dependency
> analysis and size of the API surface.
>
> The current amounts are:
> NumPy: $1000
> SciPy: $2500
> Pandas: $3000
> Matplotlib: n.a.
> Scikit-learn: $1500
> Scikit-image: $50
> Statsmodels: $50
>
> So there's an element of randomness, but the results are not completely
> surprising I think. The four libraries that get order thousands of dollars
> are the ones that large corporations are going to have the highest interest
> in.
>
> Cheers,
> Ralf
>
>
>>
>> Op za 8 jun. 2019 om 22:54 schreef William Ayd <william.ayd at icloud.com>:
>>
>>> What is the minimum amount we are asking for? The $1,000 a month for
>>> NumPy seems rather low and I thought previous emails had something in the
>>> range of $3k a month.
>>>
>>> I don’t think we necessarily need or would be that much improved by $12k
>>> per year so would rather aim higher if we are going to do this
>>>
>>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 12:53 PM, Joris Van den Bossche <
>>> jorisvandenbossche at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> We discussed this on the last dev chat, but putting it on the mailing
>>> list for those who were not present: we are planning to contact Tidelift to
>>> enter into a sponsor agreement for Pandas.
>>>
>>> The idea is to follow what NumPy (and recently also Scipy) did to have
>>> an agreement between Tidelift and NumFOCUS instead of an individual
>>> maintainer (see their announcement mail:
>>> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/numpy-discussion/2019-April/079370.html
>>> ).
>>> Blog with overview about Tidelift: https://blog.tidelift
>>> .com/how-to-start-earning-money-for-your-open-source-project-with-
>>> tidelift.
>>>
>>> We didn't discuss yet what to do specifically with those funds, that
>>> should still be discussed in the future.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Joris
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