Fwd: Installation hell

[j]

I was unclear. I use the full path to the folder with the unzipped 
python-embedded. I shouldn't have said 'set'.

I have complained on here before about broken installs but got 
indifference. An installer should install stuff correctly (leaving a 
working environment). If it won't then give clear instructions on how to 
install manually then let us do it. A broken installer is like a road 
that just runs out.

Dismissals about 'lazy people' (for example) aren't helpful if you are 
trying to get some actual work done.

jan


On 19/12/2022 17:55, Thomas Passin wrote:
> On 12/19/2022 12:28 PM, j via Python-list wrote:
>> I agree. Wasted too much time on last few installs.
>>
>> It got to the point I downloaded python-embedded, unzipped it and set 
>> the path manually for my work (needed it as part of a compiler).
>
> I don't set those paths.  If you have several different versions 
> installed, who knows which one the path will find first?  Probably not 
> the one you want.  Without paths to the script files, I need to set 
> them temporarily, navigate to to the right directory first, or create 
> a dedicated batch file, but at least I get the right ones that way.
>
> I don't find it to be a problem.
>
>> It ain't good enough. And I like python.
>>
>> jan
>>
>> On 18/12/2022 11:50, Jim Lewis wrote:
>>> I'm an occasional user of Python and have a degree in computer science.
>>> Almost every freaking time I use Python, I go through PSH (Python Setup
>>> Hell). Sometimes a wrong version is installed. Sometimes it's a path 
>>> issue.
>>> Or exe naming confusion: python, python3, phthon311, etc. Or library
>>> compatibility issues - took an hour to find out that pygame does not 
>>> work
>>> with the current version of python. Then the kludgy PIP app and 
>>> using a DOS
>>> box under Windows with command prompts which is ridiculous. God only 
>>> knows
>>> how many novice users of the language (or even intermediate users) were
>>> lost in the setup process. Why not clean the infrastructure up and 
>>> make a
>>> modern environment or IDE or something better than it is now. Or at 
>>> least
>>> good error messages that explain exactly what to do. Even getting this
>>> email to the list took numerous steps.
>>>
>>> -- A frustrated user
>