WxPython versus Tkinter.

[Bob Martin]

in 650672 20110125 115033 Bryan <bryan.oakley at gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 25, 2:02=A0am, Bob Martin <bob.mar... at excite.com> wrote:
>> in 650595 20110124 192332 Bryan <bryan.oak... at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >On Jan 24, 12:05=3DA0pm, rantingrick <rantingr... at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Jan 24, 12:00=3DA0pm, Bryan <bryan.oak... at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> > Accessibility, like internationalization, is something few programme=
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>> >> > spend much time thinking about.
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>> >> Thats another uninformed statement by you we can add to the mountains
>> >> of useless cruft you have offered so far. Unicode IS
>> >> internationalization and Guido thought it was SO important that
>> >> Python3000 auto converts all strings to Unicode strings. Obviously he
>> >> is moving us toward full Unicode only in the future (AS SHOULD ALL
>> >> IMPLEMENTATIONS!). We need one and only one obvious way to do it. And
>> >> Unicode is that way.
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>> >Ok, great. You've identified one programmer who thinks about
>> >internationalization. Not much of a compelling argument there.
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>> >However, I think you missed my point. My point wasn't that people like
>> >Guido don't think of these topics. It's that the people in the
>> >trenches who use these tools don't think about these topics. How many
>> >of your co-workers actively think about internationalization and
>> >accessibility? I'm guessing none, but maybe you're lucking and work in
>> >a particularly enlightened team. I've perhaps worked closely with a
>> >few hundred programmers in my career, and very few of them thought of
>> >these subjects. In my experience it's just not something the
>> >programmer in the trenches thinks about. That is the point I was
>> >trying to make.
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>> Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. =A0I spent my working life a=
>s a programmer
>> with a very large multi-national IT company and all software had to be fu=
>lly
>> "internationalized" (otherwise known as NLS) or it didn't get used. =A0
>> Do you think the whole world speaks US English?
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>No, absolutely not. I don't see how you go from "I don't think all
>developers think about i18n" to "I think everyone speaks english".

I said "US English", not just English, and you didn't say 
"I don't think all developers think about i18n", you said "I'm guessing none".
Big difference.  I think your attitude to this is US-only.

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>Most very large companies think about this a lot. Most hugely
>successful software is probably internationalized. Together those two
>groups make up a tiny fraction of all software. Think about all the
>free software you use -- how much of it is internationalized and
>optimized for accessibility? I bet not much. I wish I could say more
>than half of all software is internationalized but I just don't
>believe that to be true based on my own personal observation.

"I bet not much" - there you go again ;-)
You'll find that nearly all software used in Europe (and most other parts)
is internationalized or it wouldn't stand a chance.
 
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>I definitely agree that many companies, both large and small, do the
>right thing here. From my experience though, many !=3D most. I hope I'm
>wrong though, because that means the we're all headed in the right
>direction.