Python does not play well with others

[Paul Rubin]

"Diez B. Roggisch" <deets at nospam.web.de> writes:
> This is simply not true. J2SE doesn't include a web-framework. J2EE
> does, but it's a separate multi-megabyte-download.

I thought J2SE comes with JSP.  Maybe that's not a "framework" in the
fancy sense though.

> PHP _is_ a web centered language, so to say it "includes" a

> And _both_ of them don't contain DB connectivity modules! J2SE has
> JDBC - which is just a bunch of interfaces. You need to download each
> and every driver. 

Hmm, I thought it came with drivers.  Maybe those come with the db
instead?