[Mailman-Users] Cascading lists

[Rubén Fernández Asensio]

I'm now trying to make an umbrella list encompassing both lists. 
Unfortunately, the wiki's wording is extremely poor on this issue:
https://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20set%20up%20an%20umbrella%20list%3F

After the sentence "posts from the umbrella list will be held for 
"implicit destination" by a sublist." it's simply undeciferable.
"Taking these in reverse order.." Really? This is just a very badly 
planned text, if at all. What if I don't need sublist members to post to 
the umbrella list? What do I have to do?

I subscribed both lists to the umbrella list, but both are rejecting 
messages from the umbrella.
What are the exact steps I have to follow from now? One by one, and not 
"in reverse order", please.

Ruben Fernandez

El 04/06/18 a les 04:01, Mark Sapiro ha escrit:
> On 06/02/2018 11:53 PM, Rubén Fernández Asensio wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> I'm a new list administrator and a bit lost among Mailman's many
>> features. Could you please give some advice?
>> I'm trying to implement an announcement list and an unmoderated
>> discussion list, and having the second receive all mail sent to the
>> first one. The announcement list will prevent everybody but a few
>> addresses to post, and will attach a personalized footer to every post
>> with a link to the subscriber's option page. The discussion list will
>> attach its own generalized footer.
> 
> 
> See this FAQ article for advice on setting up an announcement list
> <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030685>.
> 
> 
>> In sum, I want a single place to manage permissions to send
>> announcements to both lists. I don't care about duplicates, as I want
>> people to actively unsubscribe from the announcement list if they've
>> joined both by mistake. However, it would be nice if the announcements
>> received by the discussion list wouldn't have any personalized footer.
> 
> 
> OK.
> 
> 
>> Also, I want subscribers of the discussion list to be able to send
>> replies to the announcement into the discussion list itself, whereas
>> subscribers of the announcement list will get their own 'Reply-to' heading.
>> What's the best setup to achieve this? Umbrella lists, sibling lists, or
>> something else?
> 
> 
> There are pluses and minuses to both umbrella lists and sibling lists.
> There are FAQs you should read if you haven't already. They are
> <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030574> and <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030540>.
> 
> I'm going to assume that neither list will have digest members. That
> adds an additional complication.
> 
> Your choices are:
> 
> 1) Add the discussion list address to regular_include_lists of the
> announce list. If you do this everyone will get announcement list posts
> from the announcement list. These will have the announcement list's
> footer. The members of the discussion list who aren't members of the
> announce list will get the post from the announce list. It appears that
> you want to munge Reply-To: in some way on both lists (I'll refrain from
> giving my opinion on this). Here, the message received by the discussion
> list members who aren't announce list members will have the footer and
> Reply-To: of the announce list. You probably don't want that.
> 
> 2) Subscribe the discussion list to the announce list. This means
> members of either list will receive the posts to the announce list from
> their own list with its footer and Reply-To: and members of both lists
> will receive the post from both lists. This seems more like what you
> want, but there are two kinds of issues.
> 
> Issue #1 is acceptance of posts to the announce list by the discussion
> list. This is discussed in the FAQ at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030574>.
> 
> Issue #2 is an Umbrella list is a list whose members are all other
> lists. Lists with both individuals and one or more lists as members are
> an in between configuration that isn't well supported. Your issue is
> whether or not to set the announce list as an umbrella list. If you
> don't, anyone can request a password reminder and it will be sent to the
> entire discussion list. Because of this, you can set the announce list
> umbrella_list to Yes. This, at least with default umbrella_member_suffix
> will send these to the owner of the discussion list instead, but it also
> means that individual members of the announce list can't get password
> reminders or subscription confirmation requests.
>