[Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

[Chip Davis]

Apologies for mangling my description of the problem.  The senders 
with the hard-coded "Reply-To:" are not the ones complaining that 
their emails aren't going to the list, it's those who thought they 
replied to the list who complain that it went as a private message 
back to the OP.

IMHO, all replies to a discussion list posting should go back to the 
discussion by default.  Any responder is free to change that for a 
particular reply, but the default should be to maintain the discussion.

If a poster really wants private replies, the author is free to ask 
for them, and may actually get a few. (Most will still go back to the 
list because it's sooo much trouble to change the "To:" header.)

These are folks who constantly hijack threads because they always 
start a new topic by hitting 'Reply' to whatever posting they just 
received...

-Chip-

On 1/29/2018 12:14 PM, Chip Davis wrote:
> I am loathe to weigh in on this architectural design discussion, but 
> it seems to ignore the PEBCAK effect.
> 
> I admin about a dozen _discussion_ Mailman lists as a mitzvah for 
> various organizations I'm fond of, none of which are well-populated 
> with computer scientists.  Exhibit A is the number of subscribers who 
> have free email accounts at Yahoo, AOL, or bellsouth.net (who 
> subcontracts their email processing to Yahoo).
> 
> I have a constant problem with well-meaning, but essentially ignorant, 
> email users who, upon seeing a "Reply To:" field in their MUA's setup 
> screen, dutifully fill it in with their email address.  Then they 
> complain that even though they "replied to the list", their email went 
> only to the poster.
> 
> That's why I have to "first_strip_reply_to", and it appears, will 
> still have to do so in your new paradigm, Stephen.  You can't defeat 
> ignorance, only battle it to a bloody draw.
> 
> I've been doing this for years, and it seems that the proliferation of 
> POS (not "point-of-sale") cellphone email clients has made things 
> exponentially worse.  They are more concerned with adding a button to 
> to automatically order whatever is in highlighted text from Amazon, 
> than with RFC's.
> 
> -Chip-
> 
> On 1/28/2018 11:43 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>> Jordan Brown writes:
>>
>>   > I want "Reply" to go to the author, and "Reply All" to go to the 
>> author,
>>   > the list, and any other To or CC destinations.  I simply can't
>>   > understand any other answer.  I don't understand why anybody 
>> feels a
>>   > need for "Reply List".
>>
>> Your preference is noted, but you are definitely in a minority of
>> those whose opinions I've seen over the decades.  Even those who use
>> Reply and Reply All as you do (I do on this list, for example),
>> usually have considered it suboptimal.  The preferences of list owners
>> also should be respected, to the extent that replying users don't
>> care.  The prevalence of reply-to-munging says that they (or perhaps a
>> majority of their subscribers) want replies to automatically go to the
>> list.
>>
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