[SciPy-Dev] scipy.org logo original?

Sat May 4 19:28:56 EDT 2019

Thanks for these. Two minor points The font is indeed nice but m-width is a
bit too wide for the rest of the site. It has to fit well with the rest in
https://docs.scipy.org/doc/ hence a bit of condensation needed for
Montserrat (a bit more Maison Neue-ish) which is why I went for Inter. Also
for the color we need to again perform some surgery to the top bar as it
would sit on that bar and color change would leak to other parts of the
page to be fixed.

It is indeed popular and there are many options to choose from
https://fonts.google.com/?category=Sans+Serif&sort=popularity

But I think it's best if we survive this phase with as little modifications
as possible. That doesn't mean we need to stop working on it of course. By
all means, all contributions are highly appreciated.

On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 12:17 AM Christina Lee <chrissie.c.l at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Attached the logo with the Google font Montserrat:
> https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Montserrat?selection.family=Montserrat
> .
> A clean, no nonsense font with thin lines (sleek and efficient) and no
> slant (definitive, reliable).  A very popular font, but I guess it's
> popular for a reason.
>
> Also, I might recommend changing the color to something darker, like
> #31397e , to achieve greater contrast with the white and make it more
> readable.  I also have that version attached.
>
> I hope to help in that full overhaul, hence being fairly gung-ho about the
> logo right now.  It's something that could be upgraded now, then carried
> over into a revamp.
>
> Christina
>
> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 4:59 PM Bennet Fauber <bennet at umich.edu> wrote:
>
>> Ilhan,
>>
>> I think the font and snake look fine.  Perhaps a larger margin at the
>> beginning and end?  It looks to be less than an inter-word space, which is
>> about what it appears to be in the SciPy.org version.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 11:41 AM Ilhan Polat <ilhanpolat at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Very good suggestion. My intention was to get to a point where we are
>>> ready with the recent advances with sponsorships and grant applications
>>> etc. happening in the project. I think it is important to update the
>>> commercial details to signal a proper message to nonPython users who would
>>> probably notice these tiny details way better than we do.
>>> Then we would be done with the bare essentials and can take our time
>>> with the new design should we decide to do so. Hence I see this as a
>>> preparation for the long term overhaul and hence the approximation. Other
>>> than that you are absolutely right that this is yet another stab without a
>>> coherent design brief.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM Christina Lee <chrissie.c.l at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As for the font, this also seems like a good moment to take a step back
>>>> and ask "Why that font?" "What are we trying to achieve with that font?"
>>>> and "Is there a better one?"
>>>>
>>>> Instead of just choosing a font that is an approximation of the one
>>>> that has been there forever, this might be a good opportunity to choose
>>>> something better.  I can take a look later on.
>>>>
>>>> Also, we don't need to shrink to a zero size file at the cost of
>>>> something pixelated that won't make a good impression.
>>>>
>>>> Christina
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 11:01 AM Ilhan Polat <ilhanpolat at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Indeed I noticed that too but it seems like the original logo that
>>>>> Stefan linked to is also thin. So there is an alternative somewhere I
>>>>> guess. But I'll try to modify the curve coordinates to make it slightly
>>>>> thicker.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 11:09 AM Ralf Gommers <ralf.gommers at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:25 AM Ilhan Polat <ilhanpolat at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, before I go pixel frenzy, I'd like to ask if the following is
>>>>>>> acceptable until we perform a substantial overhaul. This is the current
>>>>>>> logo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keeping Christina's .org remark in mind, I've selected a sane
>>>>>>> approximation to our current setup and used the open source (SIL OFL 1.1)
>>>>>>> font Inter https://rsms.me/inter/ and the semibold weight variant
>>>>>>> of it. It has a really nice x-height hence still legible in small sizes.
>>>>>>> Also as you can see it does not suffer from the kerning issues we now have.
>>>>>>> You can also notice that the Logo snake has a bit less hand-drawnness to
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's the 3.4 kb version but can be reduced/optimized further. This
>>>>>>> mail is just for to get feedback. Here is the draft code in case you want
>>>>>>> to play around with it
>>>>>>> https://gist.github.com/ilayn/d121ec7deb009a9a257b4813c80dff27 just
>>>>>>> install the fonts and run it via Xe- or Lua-LaTeX.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please let me know if there are any
>>>>>>> objections/corrections/suggestions/design crimes I might have committed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks great, thanks for working on this! The one change I notice that
>>>>>> may be a regression is how thin the snake is. A line width closer to the
>>>>>> original may work a little better perhaps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Ralf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> ilhan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 3:34 PM Ralf Gommers <ralf.gommers at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 2:50 PM Christina Lee <
>>>>>>>> chrissie.c.l at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Quick question, why does it include ".org"?   Can't the logo just
>>>>>>>>> say "SciPy"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Christina, that's a great question. I can't think of a
>>>>>>>> reason, just "SciPy" seems better. Perhaps we've been staring at it for so
>>>>>>>> long that it's not noticeable anymore. Let's change it now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A good rule of websites is to use svg whenever reasonable.  The
>>>>>>>>> main logo isn't the only image where doing this could bump up cleanliness.
>>>>>>>>> Several other logos on the main page could also use an update.  For
>>>>>>>>> example, just traced over the download graphic as attached. No more
>>>>>>>>> resolution problems, and smaller.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's great, thank you! Yes, you're right ... and it's not just
>>>>>>>> the logos that could use a makeover, the whole site needs attention.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Ralf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 12:05 PM Ilhan Polat <ilhanpolat at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > Would you be able to make a web-sized image and add it to
>>>>>>>>>> scipy-sphinx-theme?
>>>>>>>>>> Yes that's not a problem thanks to the vector graphics. The main
>>>>>>>>>> concern here is the legibility of the font. I now think that the original
>>>>>>>>>> font was ITC franklin medium though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyways, I have searched for some open source fonts in the
>>>>>>>>>> meantime and many curation pages are available online; to give two results
>>>>>>>>>> from a quick Google search
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://medium.com/sketch-app-sources/30-free-and-open-source-typefaces-released-recently-best-collections-5b46f9d89f65
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/allbusiness/2014/03/06/10-best-sans-serif-web-fonts-from-google-fonts-library/#21da8027431b
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am no designer by any means hence take these as availability
>>>>>>>>>> stats but we might be better off if we switch to a font with suitable
>>>>>>>>>> license in place for a commercial font. Also all feedback and help are
>>>>>>>>>> welcome.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 3:10 PM Ralf Gommers <
>>>>>>>>>> ralf.gommers at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Stefan & Ilhan!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Scikit-image has the right idea I think with a separate branding
>>>>>>>>>>> repo. Shall we create one for SciPy as well?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ilhan, that looks really good! Would you be able to make a
>>>>>>>>>>> web-sized image and add it to scipy-sphinx-theme? The current image is a
>>>>>>>>>>> 2.4kb gif, I think it can be larger but as small as possible while still
>>>>>>>>>>> looking good would be nice. Because it gets downloaded millions of times a
>>>>>>>>>>> month, and also directly adds to the size of the numpy and scipy sdists.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Ralf
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 10:44 PM Ilhan Polat <
>>>>>>>>>>> ilhanpolat at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way does anyone know what the font logo is? Just by
>>>>>>>>>>>> eyeballing it looks like Franklin Gothic but I am not sure. However, if
>>>>>>>>>>>> there is a more able typography connoisseur among us, here is the logo
>>>>>>>>>>>> ready to be compiled by Xe/LuaLatex.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> \documentclass[tikz]{standalone}
>>>>>>>>>>>> \usepackage{fontspec}
>>>>>>>>>>>> \setsansfont{Franklin Gothic Medium}
>>>>>>>>>>>> \usetikzlibrary{svg.path}
>>>>>>>>>>>> \definecolor{scipylogo}{HTML}{8CAAE6}
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> \begin{document}
>>>>>>>>>>>> \begin{tikzpicture}[x=1pt, y=-1pt]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> \fill[scipylogo] (-50,-75) rectangle (1825, 575)
>>>>>>>>>>>> svg[yscale=-1] {
>>>>>>>>>>>> M348.369,282.469c-17.398-23.797-43.984-33.719-81.984-41.719
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> l-35.334-8.332l-26.656-11.432c-14.01-9.902-25.947-36.26-22.559-59.502c5.264-36.006,38.896-61.104,75.127-56.045
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> c18.094,2.559,33.438,12.139,43.555,25.625l40.117,52.705c22.93,29.531,48.711,38.32,76.758,24.375l14.141-6.016
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> c1.133-0.527,2.461-0.576,3.75-0.107c1.055,0.41,1.914,1.162,2.422,2.051l2.813,4.238c0.781,1.279,1.953,2.314,3.477,2.891
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> c2.578,0.977,5.352,0.391,7.305-1.289l32.578-30.723c5.703-4.883,4.023-9.365,4.023-9.365l-7.852-17.881
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> c0,0-2.148-4.287-9.57-3.301l-43.672,4.014c-2.539,0.361-4.805,2.051-5.781,4.629c-0.586,1.504-0.625,3.076-0.195,4.502
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> l1.563,5.029c0.313,1.045,0.313,2.217-0.117,3.291c-0.508,1.328-1.523,2.266-2.734,2.764l-12.344,5.225
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> c-12.93,7.568-27.617,2.734-37.422-9.258l-11.211-14.893l-31.914-42.354c-15.156-20.098-38.008-34.434-65-38.203
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> c-54.043-7.568-104.199,29.854-112.051,83.584c-3.965,27.08,4.152,52.703,18.965,73.281
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> c10.762,14.953,30.486,23.496,41.154,26.164l28,8l26.814,6.145c3.688,0.875,14.063,3.438,20.203,5.656
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> c5.676,2.055,18.75,6.875,29.375,15.57l0,0c12.695,12.906,19.414,31.344,16.563,50.68c-4.805,32.969-35.586,55.938-68.75,51.289
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> c-16.611-2.305-30.635-11.109-39.922-23.438l-38.32-50.859c-7.813-10.367-19.629-17.773-33.594-19.766
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> c-13.945-1.953-27.441,1.914-37.9,9.75l-80.615,60.156C11.455,333.914,0,292.898,0,249.266C0,111.621,113.926,0,254.443,0
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> c104.629,0,194.434,61.855,233.535,150.254l12.891-5.996l8.711-23.809l9.141,3.203l-7.852,21.289l21.758,7.5l-3.281,8.916
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> l-24.297-8.486l-13.398,6.162c11.094,27.998,17.266,58.398,17.266,90.232c0,137.656-113.945,249.258-254.473,249.258
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> c-84.414,0-159.229-40.289-205.508-102.281l82.578-61.898c3.779-2.578,8.467-3.75,13.33-3.086
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> c5.176,0.742,9.58,3.461,12.471,7.305l40.537,54.477c14.277,17.516,35.02,29.922,59.307,33.336
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> c51.094,7.148,98.516-28.242,105.938-79.063C366.533,323.664,360.752,300.828,348.369,282.469};
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> \node[anchor=east,
>>>>>>>>>>>>       text=white,
>>>>>>>>>>>>       font=\sffamily,
>>>>>>>>>>>>       scale=30,
>>>>>>>>>>>>       outer sep=0pt,
>>>>>>>>>>>>       inner sep=0pt] (scipyorg) at (1750,250) {SciPy.org};
>>>>>>>>>>>> \end{tikzpicture}
>>>>>>>>>>>> \end{document}
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This code gives on my system
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "i" and "P" needs a slight nudge to each other but that means
>>>>>>>>>>>> the font is correct. Hence my question. Also you can play around and enjoy
>>>>>>>>>>>> some TeX kerning/positioning/scaling bonanza yourself. I'll let Ralf to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> the judge :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>> ilhan
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 8:09 PM Ilhan Polat <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ilhanpolat at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perfect! Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 7:44 PM Stefan van der Walt <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stefanv at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Found it and uploaded to GitHub:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/scikit-image/skimage-branding/blob/master/logo/scipy.svg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 10:26:00 -0700, Stefan van der Walt wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 23:49:03 +0200, Ralf Gommers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Does anyone have the original files from which the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current logo on scipy.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > (it has the scipy symbol, white letter scipy.org and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "sponsored by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Enthough") was created? The quality is not great, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> editing a tiny gif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > doesn't make it better ....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I don't have the vector art, but I have a higher resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> render:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/scikit-image/skimage-branding/blob/master/logo/data/scipy.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Stéfan
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