[SciPy-Dev] [Numpy-discussion] ANN: Scipy 0.14.0 beta 1 release

[David Cournapeau]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Matthew Brett <matthew.brett at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:08 AM, David Cournapeau <cournape at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Matthew Brett <matthew.brett at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Ralf Gommers <ralf.gommers at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Matthew Brett <
> matthew.brett at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> I just built some scipy b1 OSX wheels, and put them here:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> https://nipy.bic.berkeley.edu/scipy_installers/scipy-0.14.0b1-cp27-none-macosx_10_6_intel.whl
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> https://nipy.bic.berkeley.edu/scipy_installers/scipy-0.14.0b1-cp33-cp33m-macosx_10_6_intel.whl
> >> >>
> >> >> As usual, you need a recent copy of pip, setuptools:
> >> >>
> >> >> pip install --upgrade pip
> >> >>
> >> >> Then download and:
> >> >>
> >> >> pip install scipy-0.14.0b1-cp27-none-macosx_10_6_intel.whl
> >> >>
> >> >> (for example).  Feedback welcome.
> >> >>
> >> >> I built these on 10.9 and tested on a completely bare 10.6 machine.
> >> >> I'll automate the build more, but for now the instructions are here:
> >> >>
> >> >> https://github.com/matthew-brett/delocate
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Nice.
> >> >
> >> > This reminded me of https://github.com/scipy/scipy/issues/2829 again.
> >> > Imho
> >> > we should drop support for <Win7 in the official installers and use a
> >> > similar approach with private dlls for Windows.
> >>
> >> That seems reasonable to me.  Is there any way of estimating how many
> >> Windows XP users are downloading the .exe installers these days?
> >>
> >> David C - what do you think about something like this?
> >
> >
> > Dropping support for XP is fine by me as long as we are only talking
> about
> > the official installers (e.g. building numpy with MSVC should stilll
> work on
> > XP) . It is only a data point, but @ Enthought, we have quite a few
> > customers on XP. I would not go as far as saying that's the most common
> > version of windows, but that's not the least common either.
>
> Steam users on 6% [1]
> "Desktop OS market share" nearly 30% [2]
> Other estimates somewhere between tending to low end [3]
>
> > I would also reiterate my plea to avoid any PATH or pre-loading. Every
> > library that does this has been a constant source of pain in my
> experience:
> > embedding, integration with large 3rd party framework (especially the
> ones
> > using multi-threading), etc...  We remove it in every library we support
> @
> > Enthought (e.g. pytables 2.x)
> >
> > IMO, installing the mingw DLLs is the least bad option.
>
> Sorry to be ignorant, but you mean copying these into the windows
> system directories or somewhere else on the system path?
>

god no :)

Putting them in sys.exec_prefix would work. I still think it will cause
trouble in the future, but that's the least bad option from the other ones.

David

>
> Cheers,
>
> Matthew
>
> [1] http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey?platform=pc
> [2] http://www.netmarketshare.com/
> [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
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