[Pythonedu-wg] Pythonedu-wg Digest, Vol 4, Issue 1

[Dave Ames]

Ian

That's a novel solution. I like it. Do you lose syntax highlighting in Idle
as a result?

Dave

On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 at 20:21 Ian Harcombe <ian.harcombe at gmail.com> wrote:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Ian Harcombe <ian.harcombe at gmail.com>
>> To: pythonedu-wg at python.org
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:08:32 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [Pythonedu-wg] Pythonedu-wg Digest, Vol 3, Issue 10
>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Dave Ames <david.john.ames at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Nicholas H.Tollervey" <ntoll at ntoll.org>, pythonedu-wg at python.org
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 23:48:06 +0000
>>> Subject: Re: [Pythonedu-wg] A new, kid-friendly Python editor
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 20:50 Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 22/09/15 17:46, Dave Ames wrote:
>>> > I would suspect that (rightly or wrongly) most school network
>>> > technicians would be extremely wary of giving students access to a
>>> > system shell of any kind.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Then most school network technicians are fools and should not have ANY
>>> input in such decisions.
>>>
>>> NOTE: I'm highly biased about this. ;-)
>>>
>>> N.
>>>
>>> Absolutely no disagreement from me there. If they've configured
>>> everything correctly then access to the command line for students, should
>>> present absolutely no threat to the network. But!
>>>
>>> The default state is "no command line", even though access to
>>> Python/Idle probably gives them at least the same level (if not more) of
>>> danger.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>
>> While that's all fine and dandy, students can be very creative (they
>> should, if we've taught them well) and some hacks are fairly easy to
>> research and attempt in a school environment; but the results can be
>> disastrous and inconvenience more than just a few people.
>>
>> Mind you, having said that, once you have Python installed it is an
>> absolute no-brainer to quickly Google how to run a system command from the
>> interactive shell (as I did last week, to try and help our tech support get
>> PyGame Zero installed) and then the presence or absence of the Windows
>> Command Shell is a non-issue...
>>
>> ---
>> Ian Harcombe
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Dave Ames <david.john.ames at gmail.com>
>> To: pythonedu-wg at python.org
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:32:02 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [Pythonedu-wg] Pythonedu-wg Digest, Vol 3, Issue 10
>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 at 19:08 Ian Harcombe <ian.harcombe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Dave Ames <david.john.ames at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Nicholas H.Tollervey" <ntoll at ntoll.org>, pythonedu-wg at python.org
>>>> Cc:
>>>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 23:48:06 +0000
>>>> Subject: Re: [Pythonedu-wg] A new, kid-friendly Python editor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 20:50 Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 22/09/15 17:46, Dave Ames wrote:
>>>> > I would suspect that (rightly or wrongly) most school network
>>>> > technicians would be extremely wary of giving students access to a
>>>> > system shell of any kind.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Then most school network technicians are fools and should not have ANY
>>>> input in such decisions.
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: I'm highly biased about this. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> N.
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely no disagreement from me there. If they've configured
>>>> everything correctly then access to the command line for students, should
>>>> present absolutely no threat to the network. But!
>>>>
>>>> The default state is "no command line", even though access to
>>>> Python/Idle probably gives them at least the same level (if not more) of
>>>> danger.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>
>>> While that's all fine and dandy, students can be very creative (they
>>> should, if we've taught them well) and some hacks are fairly easy to
>>> research and attempt in a school environment; but the results can be
>>> disastrous and inconvenience more than just a few people.
>>>
>>> Mind you, having said that, once you have Python installed it is an
>>> absolute no-brainer to quickly Google how to run a system command from the
>>> interactive shell (as I did last week, to try and help our tech support get
>>> PyGame Zero installed) and then the presence or absence of the Windows
>>> Command Shell is a non-issue...
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Ian Harcombe
>>>
>>
>> Were you able to get it installed? I ran a workshop using PGZero
>> yesterday at our CAS Regional Conference and discussed the fact that by
>> default none of the teacher had access to the Command Line on their
>> networks.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Dave Ames
>>
>>
> Dave,
>
> Getting there - what I've done is get it running on the admin account,
> then show tech support how to "bodge" the need for a command line by
> associating a slightly different extension (I've gone for .pyz instead of
> just .py) with the pgzrun executable. That seems to work, so on my account
> I can double-click a .pgz file and it fires up the PyGame Zero loader.
>
> I've left it to them to figure out if they roll out a suitable registry
> update to all students...
>
> ---
> Ian Harcombe
>
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