[python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to £95k

[Chris Withers]

Wow, another community lists degenerates into PC hand wringing, this 
time as a result of a lazy recruiter spamming the list.

I find the asymmetry of all this ironic: a recruiter spamming a list and 
then throwing a hissy fit when people light heartedly jest about the 
post, followed by 30+ messages of discussion about how we're hurting her 
feelings and making her feel unwelcome.

Sorry, but the signal-to-noise ratio of this list pretty much just 
dropped to zero for me, so I'll be leaving now...

Chris

On 06/12/2016 16:49, Steve Holden wrote:
> Yes, it's a pity the more rational feedback didn't come first, but 
> knees do tend to jerk at recruitment communications.  S
>
> Steve Holden
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Tom Wright <tom at tatw.name 
> <mailto:tom at tatw.name>> wrote:
>
>     Perhaps replying immediately doesn't count as pause, but I hope
>     this constitutes thought.
>
>     I would make three points:
>
>     I. The tone of the response may in part be due to the recruitment
>     topic more than anything else. This is unfortunately a rather
>     fraught subject. Bulk recruitment ads are so common  it is
>     unsurprising that people would view them as a piece of text rather
>     than a correspondence with a real person.
>
>     II. I suspect that many readers do not view this list as for
>     communication that requires "professional" standards. And might
>     view the imposition of professionalism in this context as
>     problematic.
>
>     This represents the key conflict at the heart of codes of conduct:
>     in-group behaviour that can be damagingly exclusionary, versus the
>     imposition of strict rules that impinge upon an informal setting.
>
>     III. I don't know if the guidance on this list for jobs posts is
>     particularly clear, and if I am not mistaken is mostly held in
>     people's heads. An unfortunate side effect of no clearly defined
>     rules is that the informal rules can be unforced rather unfriendlily.
>
>     On 6 Dec 2016 1:46 p.m., "David Wilson" <dw+python-uk at hmmz.org
>     <mailto:dw%2Bpython-uk at hmmz.org>> wrote:
>
>         While I quite enjoyed this thread and, especially considering the
>         recruiter's followup, it appears to have somewhat been in bad
>         taste.
>
>         I can't speak for others, but I'm in my mid 30s and regularly
>         confuse
>         license/licence, prescribe/proscribe and without doubt a bunch
>         more,
>         either through finger memory or plain old thinko. It would not be
>         without embarrassment to have strangers publicly ridicule such
>         errors,
>         especially in a professional context as occurred here.
>
>         This is a minor incident, but it's from a class where the
>         underlying
>         insensitivity has forced other communities to grow a Code of
>         Conduct,
>         therefore perhaps it's worth taking a little pause to reflect
>         on it.
>
>
>         David
>
>         On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 01:57:00PM +0000, Nicholas H.Tollervey
>         wrote:
>         > On 06/12/16 13:20, Roger Gammans wrote:
>         > > If your set of Prinicpia is Russell's not Newton's you may not
>         > > have simple values.
>         >
>         > Our principal aim is to express a complete and consistent set of
>         > misspelled principles.
>         >
>
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