[Python-Dev] Continuing 2.x

[C. Titus Brown]

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 06:57:54PM +0200, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote:
> > "Infrastructure" sounds to me like code for "money".
> 
> No, it's rather "volunteer time". Of course, people keep proposing
> that this should be replaced by hired time that gets paid from
> donations, but all such proposals so far got stuck at implementation
> details (i.e. it's actual work that nobody has done).
> 
> > How much of the
> > PSF's money, for instance, comes from organizations whose primary
> > interest is still Python2?  How many of them are only or principally
> > only interested in Python3?  Then again, how much of the PSF's budget
> > goes toward infrastructure?
> 
> The first two questions are difficult to answer: the PSF doesn't
> maintain records of what Python versions are of primary interest
> to sponsor members. A significant portion of the donations comes
> from the conference surplus (being saved for the also-likely risk
> of a massive conference loss); in this case, it's even difficult to
> identify the donors (as you can't really attribute the surplus to
> being from, say, attendee fees, as opposed to conference sponsors).
> 
> As for the budget that goes into infrastructure: you'll find the details
> in the treasurer reports, but it is comparatively minor and goes
> primarily into hardware purchases. Connectivity and colocation is
> donated by companies who may not have an actual interest in Python
> at all (e.g. XS4ALL, which do this out of a general support for
> free software and in positive recollection of their former employee
> Thomas Wouters).

I'd just like to add my 2c that AFAICT the volunteer effort that goes into
Python, and in particular into python-dev and the infrastructure foo,
absolutely *dwarfs* all other aspects of "official" Python and PSF (including
$$ in all forms).

So, good job, -dev guys!

But they're already pretty overwhelmed.  Independent of talk, unless there's a
proposal to continue 2.x that actually involves someone *new* stepping up to
put in hugely substantial and ridiculously large amounts of seriously expert
time, I don't see the point of talking about it.

cheers,
--titus

p.s. I would be happy to enter into discussions on how to clone Martin and
others, though.  I just need some epithelial cells, I think.  And about $20 bn
dollars, and relocation to Israel (which I think has the best combination of
tech and human use guidelines for cloning).  Martin's permission is not
*strictly* necessary but should probably be obtained, too.

p.p.s.  The PSF isn't foolish enough to let me speak for them, in case
anyone is wondering.

-- 
C. Titus Brown, ctb at msu.edu