[Moin-user] page header and first line

[solo turn]

hmm. to my feeling, modern is broken. it displays two headings. one
clickable (technical, therefor not very readable) and one with the
heading entered in the page itself. from a usage point of view it is a
desaster.

would it possible to remove this technical clickable header and use a
"what links here" at the same level like "edit"?

-solo


On 6/4/07, Thomas Waldmann <tw-public at gmx.de> wrote:
> solo turn wrote:
> > are you sure?
>
> Yes.
>
> About what? :)
>
> > how you get:
> >  * top heading of the page
>
> a) If you mean the h1, it is:
>
> = whatever =
>
> b) If you mean the navigation: that has the theme to do.
>
> The point is that these are 2 separate things.
>
> In earlier times moin used to do magic and "fake" a h1 in the content
> area using the technical pagename, clickable for backlinks. Your regular
> headlines got shifted by one, so = h = was rendered as a h2. So if your
> pagename was NotVeryNice, you got <h1>NotVeryNice</h1> and of course
> there was a feature request to be able to override this by some "#title
> This is a nice page title" processing instruction (having the
> consequence, if still used for backlinks, that it would search for
> something different than you see on screen).
>
> It was my decision to fix the problem at the root, just removing the
> problematic magic, instead introducing more magic to handle the bad side
> effects.
>
> Of course this means some work for theme writers, who need to update
> their theme code and for wiki owners, who have to check their page
> rendering, but better some one time effort than being broken forever. :)
>
> >  * which you can click
>
> a) You can't click on headings.
> b) That has the theme to do, see how modern does it.
>
> >  * which shows up in the print view
>
> a) It for sure shows there as it is just a h1 generated from the
> content. If you don't get a h1, maybe your content has no h1.
> b) The theme may or may not show the "technical name of the page". If it
> is shown, it should be rather small print at the bottom.
>
> >  * and is just one time there
>
> If a theme is up-to-date, this should be no problem.
>
> > i did not see any style doing this. not the moin default styles nor
> > the ones in theme market.
>
> Try modern. classic and rightsidebar maybe too (but they are less well
> updated and tested by me).
>
> > btw, could you explain how navigation and content is separated in a
> > wiki where the whole page is made up containing a lot of links :)
>
> Of course you can (and usually do) have WikiLinks in the content area.
> But, if you like, you can choose to [:MakingNiceLinks:Make nice Links].
> And if you begin that other page with = Making nice Links =, your users
> won't see MakeNiceLinks in the content (nor in the printout of the
> content), only in the Navigation area (or some small-print at the bottom
> of the printout).
>
>
>
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