[Microbit-Python] A native editor
Carlos P.A.
carlos.p.a.87 at gmail.com
Mon Dec 7 07:33:17 EST 2015
If anybody was wondering about Puppy as I was:
https://github.com/lordmauve/puppy
Looks promising, if it works well I don't see why it couldn't be packed as
a stand alone application without dependencies, could probably be used in
the raspberry pi as well.
On 7 December 2015 at 09:40, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org> wrote:
> Hah!
>
> Not Puppy the PHP framework.
>
> Puppy is a Python editor for kids. It's written in Python with QT as the
> UI framework.
>
> ;-)
>
> N.
>
> On 07/12/15 09:34, Carlos P.A. wrote:
> >> In an ideal world we'd have just a static .exe for Windows that gave us
> >> something functionally equivalent to what I've done already. I might
> >>take a look at some of the Puppy work myself, Dan Pope and Damien did to
> >> see if this is possible.
> >
> > Puppy the PHP framework? If we are okay with pivoting tech at this
> > point, might I suggest Electron using node.js? I've used it to pack web
> > app applications for desktop (windows, mac, linux and even arm linux)
> > and will definitely work for this kind of requirements. You can create
> > executables or have them as a "portable apps", which could then probably
> > be packed into a single .exe file for windows. The only downside is the
> > application size might not be all that small, as it packs the chromium
> > embedded engine with it (so > 50Mbs compressed).
> >
> > On 7 December 2015 at 09:13, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org
> > <mailto:ntoll at ntoll.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > None of this is documented, it's unfinished and is basically a
> working
> > brain dump. Give me some time to write up what I've done..! (I was
> doing
> > this most evening's last week and over the weekend. By Sunday
> evening I
> > was sick of the site of the damn thing - especially after most of the
> > time I'd spent on it was wasted on the non-working USB API).
> >
> > I'll get to it, but in the meantime:
> >
> > This will be a Chrome App that you download and install from Google's
> > "App Store" thingamabob for Chrome Apps. When you download the app
> > you'll be walked through the permissions required (that you accept or
> > decline). I'm doing my work on Debian Jessie and it worked for me.
> This
> > is a very important user journey, but one that I can't test until we
> > have something semi-functional telling us what the permissions need
> to
> > be (currently, storage, serial and filesystem).
> >
> > I'm using Google's "Chrome Dev Editor" to do this work
> > (
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chrome-dev-editor-develop/pnoffddplpippgcfjdhbmhkofpnaalpg
> ).
> > I suggest you use it too.
> >
> > Like I said... a very early brain dump.
> >
> > In an ideal world we'd have just a static .exe for Windows that gave
> us
> > something functionally equivalent to what I've done already. I might
> > take a look at some of the Puppy work myself, Dan Pope and Damien
> did to
> > see if this is possible.
> >
> > Basically, all the amazing work on MicroPython should be easily
> > accessible. Teachers have a bad time of it. I want to fix that
> problem
> > and I'm doing so in public so those who want to help can dive in.
> >
> > N.
> >
> > On 06/12/15 23:13, Naomi Ceder wrote:
> > > Tom, use the entire base directory as the unpacked extension - that
> > > worked for me.
> > >
> > > Naomi
> > >
> > > On 6 December 2015 at 17:11, Tom Viner <tom at viner.tv <mailto:
> tom at viner.tv>
> > > <mailto:tom at viner.tv <mailto:tom at viner.tv>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm opening python-native-editor/index.html in Chrome and I
> don't
> > > see how to get any extension (and there doesn't appear to be
> > > unpacked extension to load in developer
> > > <https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/getstarted#unpacked>
> mode
> > > either).
> > >
> > > I just get:
> > > repl.js:75 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'sync' of
> undefined
> > >
> > > on the line:
> > > hterm.defaultStorage = new
> lib.Storage.Chrome(chrome.storage.sync);
> > >
> > > On 6 December 2015 at 22:53, Naomi Ceder <
> naomi.ceder at gmail.com <mailto:naomi.ceder at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:naomi.ceder at gmail.com <mailto:naomi.ceder at gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ooops! My apologies! I see from looking at the code that
> new,
> > > open and save are not yet implemented, just stubbed out, it
> > > appears.
> > >
> > > I misunderstood that. Never mind.
> > >
> > > Naomi
> > >
> > > On 6 December 2015 at 16:43, Naomi Ceder <
> naomi.ceder at gmail.com <mailto:naomi.ceder at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:naomi.ceder at gmail.com <mailto:
> naomi.ceder at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the reference Carlos. That makes sense...
> > >
> > > At any rate, when I removed that permission, the
> warning of
> > > course went away. However it still coudn't find my
> > > micro:bit, since the port objects have neither a
> productId
> > > nor a vendorId on my system, only a path. When I
> matched on
> > > the path to what I knew to be the right path, I could
> get a
> > > repl working just fine. Which would imply that a
> different
> > > way of finding the right port is needed.
> > >
> > > I suppose the next thing is to look at the load/save
> issue.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Naomi
> > >
> > > On 6 December 2015 at 16:25, Carlos P.A.
> > > <carlos.p.a.87 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:carlos.p.a.87 at gmail.com> <mailto:carlos.p.a.87 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:carlos.p.a.87 at gmail.com>>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Looks like RequestFileSystem might only be
> supported in
> > > ChromeOS, is that the platform you've been using
> Nicholas?
> > >
> > >
> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/m/#!msg/apps-dev/LEne7qedZrc/7ZEY0uwfDgAJ
> > >
> > > On 6 December 2015 at 22:09, Naomi Ceder
> > > <naomi.ceder at gmail.com
> > <mailto:naomi.ceder at gmail.com> <mailto:naomi.ceder at gmail.com
> > <mailto:naomi.ceder at gmail.com>>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sadly I can't get the extension to work on
> either
> > > OSX or Linux - instead, the extension reports
> > >
> > > There were warnings when trying to install
> this
> > > extension:
> > >
> > > * 'fileSystem.requestFileSystem' is not
> allowed
> > > for specified platform.
> > >
> > >
> > > So the result for me is that the new, open,
> and save
> > > functions don't do anything at all, and the
> repl
> > > says it can't find the microbit.
> > >
> > > I'm not finding any explanations of line, but
> I've
> > > attached a screen shot of the warning...
> > >
> > > I'm also not seeing any setting for Chrome that
> > > would seem to help.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Naomi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6 December 2015 at 15:15, Carlos P.A.
> > > <carlos.p.a.87 at gmail.com <mailto:
> carlos.p.a.87 at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:carlos.p.a.87 at gmail.com <mailto:
> carlos.p.a.87 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Excellent work Nicholas!
> > >
> > > Will the pluggin also automatically work
> when
> > > the interface is accessed from the
> > > https://www.microbit.co.uk/create-code
> python
> > > link? (once it is implemented in the
> webiste).
> > >
> > > As a small suggestion, probably with a low
> > > priority, is that having some visual
> feedback on
> > > the page that the program is being flashed
> would
> > > be ideal, even better if there was a tiny
> > > progress bar on the button.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > On 6 December 2015 at 20:34, Nicholas
> > > H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org <mailto:
> ntoll at ntoll.org>
> > > <mailto:ntoll at ntoll.org
> > <mailto:ntoll at ntoll.org>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Basically, this:
> > >
> > >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8MGFVuZrrs
> > >
> > > ...is a first draft and the source
> > code is here:
> > >
> > >
> > https://github.com/ntoll/python-native-editor
> > >
> > > There's no documentation and I'll be
> > working
> > > on it over the coming days
> > > with a view to showing it on Wednesday
> > to a
> > > bunch of teachers.
> > >
> > > FYI - working out how to flash the
> device
> > > took several tortuous days.
> > > Chrome has a USB API that was
> > documented to
> > > appear to be exactly what I
> > > needed (pushing file based data to the
> > > device). I spent far too much
> > > time learning about USB and getting
> > > permission to write to the device to
> > > work.
> > >
> > > In the end I gave up when I realised
> there
> > > was a really easy hack that
> > > was right in front of my nose... just
> copy
> > > the damn .hex file to the
> > > device via the built-in file-system
> API.
> > >
> > > It worked first time..! :-)
> > >
> > > That's several hours of my time I'll
> never
> > > get back.
> > >
> > > Early days. Collaboration welcome!
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Nicholas.
> > >
> > >
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