[melbourne-pug] Agile

[paul sorenson]

Yeah as soon as some new methodology comes along an industry quickly
grows up around it promoting "the right way" and often losing sight of
the core meaning.

Companies who are truly agile would have no insecurities hiring great
technical talent with "no prior agile experience" as long as the
candidate showed a willingness to operate in an agile way.

Also key hiring decisions are often made by people who have no
development experience themselves and so are constrained to "go by the
book".

On 30/01/16 00:18, Aidan Lister wrote:
> Send me your resume or GitHub! Any developer worth their chops is going
> to slot into an agile workplace in a heartbeat. People over process, we
> are just looking for great devs!
> 
> Your reflection sounds like a short sighted HR level decision, unless
> you were going for a team lead role where you'd be expected to drive the
> agile processes?
> 
> 
> On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 at 2:59 PM, Brian May <brian at linuxpenguins.xyz
> <mailto:brian at linuxpenguins.xyz>> wrote:
> 
>     Hello All,
> 
>     I recently had a job application rejected, for a Python Role, with the
>     following explanation:
> 
>            "Although we were impressed by your experience and passion for
>            technology (particularly Python/Django), we are looking for more
>            hands on experience working in an agile team environment.
> 
>     I suspect a lot of employer's consider Agile very important, and this
>     might be a reason why I haven't had a lot of success so far with my job
>     search.
> 
>     However, there seems to be this problem that I can't get experience
>     "working in an agile team" without getting one of these jobs, which I am
>     unlikely to get because (in the view of the person making the decision)
>     I haven't had the "hands on experience".
> 
>     i.e. in Python that would be:
> 
>     class Experience(object):
>         ...
> 
>     def get_job(experience):
>         required_experience = ????
>         experience = get_additional_experience_required(experience,
>     required_experience)
>         while True:
>             try:
>                 job = apply_for_job(experience)
>                 ...
>                 attend_interview(job, experience)
>                 ...
>                 return job
>             except ApplicationRejected:
>                 pass
> 
> 
>     def get_additional_experience_required(experience, required_experience):
>         while experience < required_experience:
>             job = get_job(experience)
>             goto_work(job)
>             experience = experience + perform_job(job)
>         return experience
> 
> 
>     if __name__ == "__main__":
>         experience = Experience()
>         while True:
>             job = get_job(experience)
>             try:
>                 while True:
>                     goto_work(job)
>                     experience = experience + perform_job(job)
>                     goto_home()
>                     goto_bed()
>             except LostJob:
>                 pass
> 
> 
>     Which is likely to produce a stack overflow error. However I don't think
>     stackoverflow.com <http://stackoverflow.com> is going to help me
>     here. How do I fix the above code?
> 
>     (1st draft only: applying for a job should be multi-threaded, so I can
>     have a number of open applications at any one time; there is also
>     several problems with my get_experience_required function if get_job
>     actually returned a result: e.g. no sleep and no catching the LostJob
>     exception)
> 
>     Apparently just having experience in using the developmental tools, such
>     as git, Jenkins, Gerrit, Tox, github, Travis, etc is not sufficient. Nor
>     is my experience in a being a sole developer of a large and complicated
>     open source Django based application. I suspect I have used principles
>     of Agile development already, however not as part of a formal
>     development team.
> 
>     I just wondered if anybody here had any tips for how I might go about
>     convincing potential employers that I can participate in an formal
>     "Agile
>     team environment"?
> 
>     Yes, I could read up more about the theory of Agile programming, however
>     I think they want practical experience, not theoretical knowledge.
> 
>     Thanks.
>     --
>     Brian May <brian at linuxpenguins.xyz <mailto:brian at linuxpenguins.xyz>>
>     https://linuxpenguins.xyz/brian/
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