[Baypiggies] Job "trial day"?

[Eric Walstad]

I recently had to look for a job - the first time I had to go to interviews
in over 20 years, so it was an as-new and kind of scary experience for me.
I didn't do any full-days of work but I did spend some time
pair-programming during the interview. That was actually a nice experience
because I'm more comfortable writing code than I am talking about myself. I
think being able to spend a day with potential coworkers would be awesome.
A new job is like any new long-term relationship and spending a day with
them before signing on is good for both parties. I don't see it as free
labor (few people's first day at a new job would be net profitable for the
employer) as much as it is a way for both sides to see if the relationship
feels worth pursuing.

Eric

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Expecting people to write real code for free in the promise of a job is
> indeed a horrible practice.
>
> However, using real working conditions (collaboratively working with
> friendly co-workers) as a way of judging a candidate instead of forcing
> them to solve problems all day on a whiteboard seems like it could
> potentially be a better way of interviewing.
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016, 8:20 PM seth f <sfseth at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm opposed to sloppy hiring practices and expectation of free labor.  I
>> have no issue with an employer taking someone on with pay for short term to
>> evaluate fit.    I apologize if I sounded disparaging in some overly broad
>> way.   I have seen employers ask candidates (me for example) significant
>> tasks and they wanted rights without compensation.   That's my only issue.
>>  ~s
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Hasan Diwan <hasan.diwan at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Seth,
>> I'm not sure what you're opposed to -- I was compensated for my time by
>> the company, in addition to the salary I commanded as part of the company.
>> -- H
>>
>> On 21 Oct 2016 8:09 p.m., "seth f" <sfseth at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't think this practice is reasonable, nor do I think a "coding
>> challenge" is reasonable if the hiring company wants to retain rights to
>> the code that is produced.
>> >
>> > If a hiring organization can't figure out whether or not they want you
>> on the team from phone calls and in-person interviews, I say they're not
>> working hard enough on figuring out how to interview candidates.  If I do
>> work that shows what I can do, that's not suddenly their property.
>> >
>> > If one assumes that there is a huge variety of technologies we might
>> have experience with and what employers happen to have chosen, be it
>> Docker, Xen, Vmware, Jenkins/Hudson, Salt, Ansible, Puppet, chef, CFengine,
>> fabric, ... I haven't even gotten into databases or OS's yet...  how is
>> this practice any different from treating a candidate pool as a freebie
>> tutoring session?   I mean I'm happy to talk about this stuff, but if it
>> occupies time where i'd otherwise be interviewing, and they're asking me to
>> do it for free, it seems like a pretty clear exploit to me.
>> >
>> > ~seth
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 7:19 PM, Hasan Diwan <hasan.diwan at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I remember when I interviewed for a company, did a quiz, didn't get
>> the job, but was compensated for my time. Not sure what the company was off
>> the top of my head. -- H
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 21 Oct 2016 2:56 p.m., "Anna Ravenscroft" <annaraven at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> So, this company I interviewed with wants to set up an 8 hour "trial
>> day". Has anyone had one of these? What's your experience? And are they
>> usually paid or unpaid? They haven't mentioned either way yet and I'm
>> curious to get some your input before I go further with it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks in advance. Feel free to email me offlist.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> cordially,
>> >>> Anna
>> >>>
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