[Baypiggies] Job "trial day"?

Sat Oct 22 01:23:27 EDT 2016

Personally, I'd be disinclined to a day of free labor. If you're already working, that's at significant cost, and if you're not, it costs you the opportunity of interviewing elsewhere. If that's not compensated, it shouldn't be required.

Deirdre (aka founder of Baypiggies)

> On Oct 22, 2016, at 7:13 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Expecting people to write real code for free in the promise of a job is indeed a horrible practice.
> 
> However, using real working conditions (collaboratively working with friendly co-workers) as a way of judging a candidate instead of forcing them to solve problems all day on a whiteboard seems like it could potentially be a better way of interviewing.
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016, 8:20 PM seth f <sfseth at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm opposed to sloppy hiring practices and expectation of free labor.  I have no issue with an employer taking someone on with pay for short term to evaluate fit.    I apologize if I sounded disparaging in some overly broad way.   I have seen employers ask candidates (me for example) significant tasks and they wanted rights without compensation.   That's my only issue.  ~s
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Hasan Diwan <hasan.diwan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Seth,
>> I'm not sure what you're opposed to -- I was compensated for my time by the company, in addition to the salary I commanded as part of the company. -- H
>> 
>> 
>> On 21 Oct 2016 8:09 p.m., "seth f" <sfseth at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't think this practice is reasonable, nor do I think a "coding challenge" is reasonable if the hiring company wants to retain rights to the code that is produced.
>> >
>> > If a hiring organization can't figure out whether or not they want you on the team from phone calls and in-person interviews, I say they're not working hard enough on figuring out how to interview candidates.  If I do work that shows what I can do, that's not suddenly their property.
>> >
>> > If one assumes that there is a huge variety of technologies we might have experience with and what employers happen to have chosen, be it Docker, Xen, Vmware, Jenkins/Hudson, Salt, Ansible, Puppet, chef, CFengine, fabric, ... I haven't even gotten into databases or OS's yet...  how is this practice any different from treating a candidate pool as a freebie tutoring session?   I mean I'm happy to talk about this stuff, but if it occupies time where i'd otherwise be interviewing, and they're asking me to do it for free, it seems like a pretty clear exploit to me.
>> >
>> > ~seth
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 7:19 PM, Hasan Diwan <hasan.diwan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I remember when I interviewed for a company, did a quiz, didn't get the job, but was compensated for my time. Not sure what the company was off the top of my head. -- H
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 21 Oct 2016 2:56 p.m., "Anna Ravenscroft" <annaraven at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> So, this company I interviewed with wants to set up an 8 hour "trial day". Has anyone had one of these? What's your experience? And are they usually paid or unpaid? They haven't mentioned either way yet and I'm curious to get some your input before I go further with it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks in advance. Feel free to email me offlist.
>> >>>
>> >>> -- 
>> >>> cordially,
>> >>> Anna
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