[Pythonmac-SIG] "pythonw" in a Unix build

[Ronald Oussoren]

> On 15 Jan 2021, at 06:24, Christopher Barker <pythonchb at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 3:14 PM Jack Jansen <jack.jansen at cwi.nl <mailto:jack.jansen at cwi.nl>> wrote:
> For example, the brew Python is installed into a framework tucked away deep in /usr/local/Cellar but you don’t notice this at all: you can just use “python foo.py” and the moment the script does GUI calls it’ll get an icon in the doc and all that.
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> What problem are you trying to solve?
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> It's interesting that brew python has decided to use a Framework build ....
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> But the problem at hand is conda python which used a plain unix build.

Maybe they should switch to a framework build instead :-)

> 
> They have provided a shell script "pythonw" that re-directs to a python inside an app bundle, and that works OK on the command line, but it does not work with, e.g. setuptools entry points.
> 
> I could dig up the threads, but this has been discussed on this list, and few gitHub issues. 

As mentioned on python-dev adding the “pythonw” functionality to the unix build is not very hard. I expect that integrating with the build system (Makefile/configure script) will be the hardest part due to introducing different behaviour for the macOS platform. 

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> In short, there are a few ways to work around these issues, but no one (the conda people, the setuptools devs) wants to put the kludgy work around in their code.
> 
> And we already have a work around in the core python code, it's just that the build system needs to be set up to build it outside of a Framework.

The framework build does not have a workaround for these problems, it has a proper solution ;-). 

Ronald

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> Jack
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>> On  14-Jan-2021, at 23:07 , Chris Barker via Pythonmac-SIG <pythonmac-sig at python.org <mailto:pythonmac-sig at python.org>> wrote:
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>> Ned suggested I bring this conversation over here from python-dev, so here it is.
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>> What I'd like to see done is have the "pythonw" wrapper buildable in an otherwise non-framework build.
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>> I *think* there are no real technical show stoppers, but it would take some auto-conf magic, which I am fully unqualified to take on.
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>> Anyone interested in helping make this happen ?
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>> -CHB
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