Problems with IDLE in Windows 8.1 and installer x86 Version 3.10.8

[Thomas Passin]

Sorry about the typo at the end.  If you need to search the entire disk, 
use this command instead of the one I had in my last post:

where /R c:\ python.exe

On 11/9/2022 9:00 PM, Thomas Passin wrote:
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> On 11/9/2022 7:02 PM, darkstone at o2online.de wrote:
>> Is there no one who can help?
> 
> Is there a reason why you tried to install a 32-bit version?  Most 
> personal computers are 64-bit ones these days. Also, I don't remember if 
> you are running Windows or not.
> 
> One problem for getting help from the list is that there have not been 
> many details given. "Doesn't start" is not helpful.  Are there error 
> messages displayed on the terminal?  How did you try to start it?  Does 
> Python run at all?
> 
> A Python installation normally includes a batch file that launches idle. 
>   This batch file may not be on your path for one reason or another.  If 
> so, it would not run when you type "idle" at a command line.
> 
> So the first thing to do is to figure out if you have either the Python 
> program idle.py or idle.pyw, or the batch file idle.bat (for Windows) On 
> Linux Mint, when I typed "idle" at a terminal, I got this message:
> 
> "Command 'idle' not found, but can be installed with:
> 
> sudo apt install idle"
> 
> So that's how you would get it with that flavor of Linux.
> 
> I'm going to walk through what I would probably do if I had the same 
> problem on Windows (I'm going to assume that you are running Windows). 
> It's a little long to write out, but not really that hard.  Basically, 
> there are only a few steps:
> 
> 1. Find your Python installation;
> 2. Look in the installation location to see if the idle program is there;
> 3.  If it is, try to run it and note any error messages.
> 
> First you need to find out where your Python installation is located on 
> your system disk. If you don't know, one way to find out is to run the 
> following command in a console window:
> 
> where /R %USERPROFILE% python.exe
> 
> You may be surprised that there more several ones that you didn't 
> expect, such as (on my computer):
> 
> C:\Users\tom\AppData\Local\Microsoft\WindowsApps\Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_8wekyb3d8bbwe\python.exe
> 
> It seems that Windows has its own Python installation; that's not the 
> one you want.  You are looking for one that looks like this (with your 
> own user name, of course, instead of mine):
> 
> C:\Users\tom\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python310\python.exe
> 
> Appdata\Local\Programs is where Python3 usually gets installed.  Now we 
> know that I have Python 3.10 at 
> C:\Users\tom\AppData\Local\Programs\Python.  You may be using a 
> different version of Python; if so, just use that version instead.
> 
> Idle is normally installed in the directory tree under python.  Let's 
> call the top of that tree %PYTH0N%.  On my system, as we see above, that 
> is C:\Users\tom\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python310.  Idle should be at
> 
> %PYTHON%\Lib\idlelib
> 
> Open Windows explorer, and navigate to that directory. If you have that 
> directory, then you should be able to run idle.  If it doesn't exist, 
> That's a problem and needs to be fixed, probably by a fresh install of 
> Python.  If it does, you will see the batch file idle.bat.  Double-click 
> it, and idle should run.  If it does not, see below.
> 
> That's not a convenient way to run idle time after time.  Either you 
> need to get idle on your path, or perhaps it will be available using the 
> windows Start menu.  Check that out by tapping the Windows key, then 
> typing "idle" (without the quotes).  It may be there.  But look closely, 
> for it may be the idle associated with a different version of Python 
> than the one you want to use.  For example, on my system I have Idle in 
> the Start Menu, but only for Python 3.7 and not Python 3.10 which is the 
> most recent version I have.
> 
> If you double-clicked on the idle batch file but it failed to run, then 
> you need to get any error messages.  You need to run it from a console 
> so you can see any output.  Open a console. you want to run idle using 
> python and not pythonw (because pythonw will not open a window).  So in 
> the console, type "python " (without quotes but with the space), then 
> the path to the file.
> 
> The path to the file is a lot to type, and it's easier to just drag the 
> icon for the file (remember, it's idle.py) into the console window. 
> Press the <ENTER> key and idle should run.  If it doesn't, note any 
> error messages.  Then come back here and tell us what they were.
> 
> It's possible that the "where" program didn't find your python 
> installation.  That would be because it's installed somewhere outside of 
> your user tree, like Program Files.  You can look again in the entire 
> disk (assuming it's on the c: drive, which is almost certainly so):
> 
> where /R c:\% python.exe
> 
>> Von: darkstone at o2online.de
>> Gesendet: ‎Freitag‎, ‎4‎. ‎November‎ ‎2022 ‎15‎:‎10
>> An: Eryk Sun
>> Cc: python-list at python.org
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>> Yes, there is always the message “modified successfull”, “installed 
>> sucessfully”, but IDLE does’t start. I tried it with the newer 
>> Version, too. Ist 3.11.0 for 32 bit, but it also doesn’t work. Do you 
>> have other suggetions, that it works?
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>> Von: Eryk Sun
>> Gesendet: ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎3‎. ‎November‎ ‎2022 ‎22‎:‎50
>> An: darkstone at o2online.de
>> Cc: python-list at python.org
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>> On 11/3/22, darkstone at o2online.de <darkstone at o2online.de> wrote:
>>> Is there a reason, why it is not installed? Its the same check mark 
>>> in the
>>> installer like IDLE…
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>> Did you try what I suggested? Modify the installation to remove the
>> tkinter/IDLE component. Then modify it again to select the component
>> to be reinstalled. Also, try to repair the installation. This may
>> reset any DLLs or extension modules that were missing or that were the
>> wrong version.
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>> Ignore the suggestion from Nithish to install tkinter via pip. tkinter
>> is part of the standard library and cannot be installed via pip. There
>> is no tkinter package on the Python package index (pypi.org).
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