Proposal: Disconnect comp.lang.python from python-list

[Jon Ribbens]

On 2021-05-06, Richard Damon <Richard at Damon-Family.org> wrote:
> On 5/6/21 6:12 AM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
>> I think you're fundamentally missing the point that the newsgroup is
>> *already gatewayed to the mailing list*. Marking the group moderated
>> will not result in any more work for the moderators. In fact what you
>> say above is the opposite of the truth, as it will result in the link
>> between the poster and the moderators becoming more direct, not less
>> direct.
>
> It will.

How? How would switching from a bi-directional gateway to a moderated
group make any more work for anyone than the existing bi-directional
gateway to an unmoderated group?

> First, python-list at python.org is NOT a "Moderated" mailing list by the
> standard definition of such. Maybe you could call it Moderatable, but
> most messages make it to the list without any intervention by a
> moderator.

Sounds like nearly all moderated lists/forums then.

> The Mailman software that runs the list allows the administrators of
> the list to put select filters on posts, or to make certain posters
> moderated and need their posts reviewed, but most posts go through
> automatically and immediately. This works because the SMTP Email
> system have a must better presumption of the From address in the
> message actually being who the sender is then under NNTP rules.

The SMTP mail system makes no such assumption whatsoever.

> Forging it is detectable in many cases and generally a violation of
> the TOS for most providers (and the ones that don't can easily be
> blocked).

Sounds a lot like Usenet then.

> While you could setup a robo-moderator to do a similar thing, Usenet
> posters will not have 'pre-subscribed' before posting, and the From
> address is no where near as relaible as invalid From addresses ARE
> allowed, and since the message comes via a NNTP injection source relay,
> non-verifiable. This make the job a LOT harder.

It makes essentially no difference at all.

> The current setup does put rules at the gateway that controls what gets
> onto the mailing list, and because it IS a gateway, there are easier
> grounds to establish that some posts just won't be gated over from
> usenet to the mailing list. Putting those same limits onto the moderated
> group itself would be against Usenet norms. This would mean that the
> Usenet moderation queue WILL require significant additional work over
> what is currently being done for the mailing list.

Could you explain what on earth you are on about here please?

> If the idea is just to provide a NNTP accessible version of the mailing
> list, than perhaps rather than a comp.* group, putting it on gmane would
> be a viable option, that avoids some of the Usenet issues.

How would that make any difference?