How to debug python + curses? [was: RE: Applying winpdb_reborn]

[Mats Wichmann]

On 6/2/21 7:24 PM, pjfarley3 at earthlink.net wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 11:18 AM
>> To: python-list at python.org
>> Subject: Re: How to debug python + curses? [was: RE: Applying
> winpdb_reborn]
>>
>> On 2021-05-31, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 31 May 2021 08:07:21 +1000, Cameron Simpson <cs at cskk.id.au>
>>> declaimed the following:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Open another terminal, note its terminal device with the "tty" command.
>>>> Start your programme like this:
>>>>
>>>>     python ...... 2>/dev/tty-of-the-other-termina
>>>
>>> 	The OP specified Win10, so the above is dead from the start.
>>
>> Perhaps Windows isn't an appropriate OS under which to develop curses
>> applicatoins?
> 
> Perhaps, but why isn't it?
> 
> <rant>
> Why are Windows users, even knowledgeable ones, so often considered second-
> or even third-class netizens?
> 
> I do know some of the answers that will come back for that question, but the
> attitude is not professional.
> </rant>

Not trying to answer the question, just commenting:

it's gotten a lot better in the Python world the last few years, as 
people have realized that like it or not, most users are actually on 
Windows.

BUT, the ML/Big Data world isn't quite the same. It's new and people are 
developing at a rapid rate and Windows just seems to get in the way 
(again avoiding speculating since I don't work in that world) and those 
things often are heavily tilted to a Linux bias.  Or if you can't do 
that, WSL.  So the bias you mention is arising again in a new way.

curses is its own story - that's what kicked off this thread.  It was a 
UNIX thing well before there was a Windows at all (1970s, "I was there", 
but not in any way a contributor), and just wasn't built to the WIndows 
programming paradigm, why would it be?  Of course people have tried to 
fill that void over the years, with some success, but as has been seen 
from details in this thread it just doesn't seem to be that important 
even to those folks and seems to be dying on the vine again.