Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly

[Ned Batchelder]

On 12/2/13 4:44 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> On 12/2/13 3:45 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>> On 02/12/2013 20:26, Terry Reedy wrote:
>>> On 12/2/2013 10:45 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>>>
>>>> the worst loser in the world
>>>
>>> Mark, I consider your continual direct personal attacks on other posters
>>> to be a violation of the PSF Code of Conduct, which *does* apply to
>>> python-list. Please stop.
>>>
>>
>> The attacks that "Joseph McCarthy" has been launching on the core
>> developers for the last 15 months are in my view now perfectly
>> acceptable.  This is excellent news.  Everybody can now say what they
>> like about the core developers and there's no comeback.
>>
>> You can also stuff the code of conduct, it's quite clearly only brought
>> into play when it suits.  Never, ever aim it at somebody who goes out of
>> their way to stir things up, always target it at the people who fight
>> back *IS THE RULE HERE*.
>>
>
> The point is that in this thread, no one was making attacks on core
> developers.  You were bringing up old animosity here for no reason at
> all, and making them personal attacks to boot.
>
> I don't see how you think wxjmfauth was "going out of his way to stir
> things up" in *this* thread.  He made three comments, none of which
> mentioned the FSR or any other controversial topic.  Can't we respond to
> the content of posts, and not to past offenses by the poster?
>
> Additionally, wxjmfauth's past complaints about the flexible string
> representation were not personal.  He didn't say, "Joe Smith is the
> worst loser in the world for writing the FSR".  He complained about a
> feature of CPython, baselessly, but he never attacked the people doing
> the work.  His continued complaints were aggravating, I agree. I don't
> know that they rose to the level of "disrespectful".
>
> I know that your behavior here is disrespectful.
>
> As to when the code of conduct is brought up, it's only fairly recently
> that it has been mentioned in this forum.  There have clearly been posts
> in recent memory (the last year) which could have been examined in light
> of the code of conduct, and were not. I think we are using it more
> uniformly now. You helped me realize better how to apply it to this
> forum, and I thank you for that.  I welcome your help in applying it
> better still.  But it applies to you as well and I don't think it's too
> much to ask that you abide by it.
>
> The way to improve this list is to respectfully point to and demonstrate
> community norms and ask people to conform to them.  Spewing vitriol
> isn't going to fix anything.
>
> --Ned.
>
>

BTW: I think Mark has kill-filed me, so if anyone agrees enough with me 
here to want Mark to see it, someone else will have to respond before he 
gets the text.

--Ned.