Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

[rantingrick]

On Jan 19, 6:01 pm, geremy condra <debat... at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not telling you to change your behavior. I'm telling you that the
> way you're doing things isn't effective. You can take that advice or
> not, just as I can decide to listen to you... or not.
>
> I also wouldn't advise you to change your name again. I think you've
> already landed on a couple of spam lists for that.

Yes i know! The whole "name" issue was blown out of proportion. Look i
think i should explain how this whole name conundrum started. When i
first came to this list you can imagine that i was not prepared to
divulge every detail about my identity and personal life (as most
should not!). So i choose a cryptic and nonsensical name. Yes, i made
it up! And at the time i never had any inclination that i would want
to get so involved with this group. Well that was then and this is
now...

However, after i became "known" within the community many folks
started to debase any of my arguments simply on the fact that my name
was anonymous. So at that time i started using my real name "Rick
Johnson" and my nickname as "rantingrick".  After this people then
accused my of "identity hopping". Even some of the same folks who
previously were complaining about my cryptic first name choice! Now
they were complain that i choose to use my REAL name. Ironic eh!

So what it boils down to is this... some people on this list just hate
me and trying to please them is a waste of time.


> > I am not "tearing down" anything, however that was a nice try Geremy
> > *wink*. The only thing that is being "torn down" is the solid wall of
> > rabid resistance that has been slowly built by this community over
> > many years.
>
> I don't think this is the case, first because you aren't very good at
> getting anybody to take you seriously

How "self absorbed" must someone be to blame *ME* because *THEY*
cannot take *ME* seriously. Is this a joke Geremy? Sadly i know it to
be true however because you are not the only person who carries this
attitude.

> and second because I don't think
> that resistance on this issue is as mindless as you claim.

i have exposed the baseless, nonsensical, and argumentative stance
taken by some in an effort to sway public opinion with FUD and BS. So
i would say that arguing with baseless facts does constitute "rabid
resistance". What else could it be?

> > We have become too centralized and many folks are being
> > left out of the community decision process.
>
> I disagree with the first half. The second I'm more prone to agree
> with, although I don't have a lot of great ideas about how to solve
> the problem.

Well maybe you are not a visionary, however i believe we still need
you in other areas.

> You seem to be full of ideas (most of which I think are
> terrible) but very short on actually getting anything done. Until you
> begin to remedy that I doubt very many people here will take you as
> seriously as you seem to want.

Look, every organization needs workers, visionaries, liaisons,
supervisors, etc. I seem to fit nicely into a Visionary role. Maybe
that bothers you? I don't know? But we all have our place Geremy. Do
you think any organization could survive simply with robotic workers
and no guidance? No, and why not? Because workers cannot see the big
picture. They are too focused (and rightly so) on some small detail
that encompasses their job duty. Only the supervisor/visionary has the
luxury of looking at the problem from a global perspective.

Think of Python-dev as a car. A car is a machine. A very complicated
machine that needs a driver to harness it's power and give it
direction and purpose. -- someone who can see "beyond" the horizon.
Someone who can read a road map and then re-calculate a path if road
construction blocks the current one. Without the car the driver is
nothing, and without the driver the car is nothing. But together, they
are a force to reckoned with. Well, unless the driver is Asian -- then
all bets are off! :-)

> Also, be careful with where you say 'we'- I certainly don't recognize
> your authority to speak on behalf of the community, and I suspect that
> an overwhelming majority of the community's other members feel the
> same way.

You see! This is the resistance i am talking about. You (and others)
don't want to accept me as part of the community. If you did accept
me, then my speaking collectively (we) would not be troubling to you.
However i do not blame you directly for this prejudice. I think it is
more of a sub-conscience undercurrent that pervades this community as
a whole. A fear of outsiders. A xenophobia if you will. We need to
change this now!