Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

[Corey Richardson]

On 01/18/2011 09:46 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jan 18, 8:27 pm, Corey Richardson <kb1... at aim.com> wrote:
> 
>> You mentioned having a segment of wxPython in the stdlib earlier. If
>> this actually feasible from a legal standpoint, and would the
>> maintainers of wxPython be willing to put it in the stdlib? Not to
>> mention the wonderful people over at python-dev.
> 
> This might come as a shock to you, but it really doesn't matter what
> the wxPython folks think about the inclusion of wxPython into the
> stdlib. If they are against it (or simply don't care) then they can
> continue to focus their efforts on the full version. No harm done,
> really. As far as python-dev is concerned -- it does matter! However
> if the community wants change, and makes enough noise, they will have
> no choice either. ;)
> 
>> Why would you add in only a part of wxPython, instead of all of it?
> 
> see my next answer for detail...
> 
>> Is
>> the work to cut it down really an advantage over the size of the full
>> toolkit? From what I just checked, the source tarball is 40MB. Can that
>> much really be added to the Python stdlib?
> 
> 40MB is far too big. Much of wxPython is thousands of widgets that
> have no buisness in the stdlib. We only want a very limited set (much
> like what Tkinter is composed of now) and then for the people who want
> to create professional GUI's they can download the full 40MB. The
> great advantage here is scalability. Tkinter cannot do this. And
> anybody who alludes to this is a liar.
> 
>>  What other alternatives are
>> there, besides wxPython, that are perhaps a bit smaller.
> 
> Well i am open to any and all alternatives. However no many have been
> brought forward. My dream would be to have something completely python
> based, although i realize that the work involved is far too enormous.
> So we must build from something that already exists. Nothing is really
> perfect. WxPython IS NOT perfect however it is a step forward.
> 
> As far as alternative here is a list...
> 
>     http://docs.python.org/faq/gui

If that's what you believe, I don't think many (if any) here have an
issue with replacing Tkinter with something that has more features and
is just as easy to use. Write up a full-on proposal, including technical
feasibility of splitting up wxPython, and send it to python-ideas. After
they give some feedback, modify and send to python-dev. If it's well
written and makes sense, I'm sure they'll lend an ear. Just don't keep
getting off topic and I'm sure people will take you more seriously next
time. The insulting doesn't help either side.

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