GUIs - A Modest Proposal

[Mark Lawrence]

On 09/06/2010 22:43, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jun 9, 3:52 pm, Mark Lawrence<breamore... at yahoo.co.uk>  wrote:
>
>> This comes from the bloke who couldn't be bothered to find out how to
>> download the fixed version of the Windows compiled help file?
>
> Ok, so i was a bit miffed about the docs bug and felt the need to
> vent. Don't tell me you've never griped about anything. ;-)

That's correct.  I used to be big headed, but now I'm perfect. :)

>
>> Our, we, how much have you ever contributed to core versions of Python,
>> or any third party libraries for that matter?
>
> Honestly nothing so far (in the form of code) as it is beyond my skill
> set at this time, but not much beyond it!

[snip]

> Anyone who has followed me over the past few years should know that
> while i can be at times theatrical, slightly narcissistic, and
> occasionally belligerent. I am always concerned with moving Python
> into a better future.
>
> I can see myself releasing "Python Modules" and contributing to bug
> fixes on the "non-core" side of Python in the very near future. I
> would very much like to be a part of this GUI fix/replacement as it
> would be a great learning experience. As for the core, i would love to
> contribute if and when my skills reach that level. But my concern at
> this point is to contribute where i can. Updating Python's stdlib in a
> way that will benefit everyone (including myself). And the first step
> is calling for peoples input.
>
> It would be both selfish and unwise for a person to create a module
> and expect it to be blindly adopted without considering the many other
> people who belong to this community. This is a community and we need
> to include as many as we can into the decision process. For the best
> results one must get supporting and opposing opinions. From that
> dataset we can put our collective heads together to formulate a
> solution and finally produce that solution.
>
> I will be a part of this solution. I hope you will join in whatever
> capacity your free time will allow. Even a vote of confidence is a
> huge step in the right direction. I think you'll agree that Tkinter
> "as-is" just ain't cutting it. One thing "we" as a community need to
> do more often is combine our individual strengths into a collective
> strength that can be harnessed to achieve some long since forgotten
> goals. Guido has forged the path, we must strive to improve python
> daily lest his and all your hard work be all for naught.

The above is certainly brilliant for being so beautifully contradictory, 
forget programming, move into politics.

As an aside, I couldn't care one hoot about the standard Python GUI, let 
alone two, but it strikes me that you have conveniently ignored Mark 
Roseman's comments earlier in this thread regarding Tk.  I've no idea 
how much work would be involved for the Python core volunteers in 
introducing newer versions of Tk, and just maybe they've got more 
important things to work on, which you might realise if you were to 
follow the Python bug tracker mailing list.

>
>> Still waiting for your contributions, but I expect there's as much
>> chance of you doing anything as there is of all Arab nations keeping the
>> piece with Israel, or vice versa.

Blast, peace not piece.

>
> Mark, with those odds you can safely bet on me producing code!! ;-)

After several years I should bloody well hope so.  More coding in an IDE 
and less typing on mailing lists might help.  And I'm now laughing over 
the Windows compiled help file.

Mark Lawrence.