Python does not play well with others

[Colin J. Williams]

Paul Rubin wrote:
> "George Sakkis" <george.sakkis at gmail.com> writes:
>>> What does "batteries included" mean to you?  To me, it means you don't
>>> have to install add-ons.
>> So let's make a 500MB executable and add Numpy, Zope, Django, PIL,
>> pretty much everything actually. Even better, make CheeseShop just a
>> frontend to a build system that adds and updates automatically
>> submitted packages to the core. Problem solved ! <wink>.
> 
> Numpy should certainly be included and I think there are efforts in
> that direction.  
As I understand it, the effort is directed towards elaborating the 
current array module so that it handles multi-dimensional array.

This would be a good step but numpy os much more and is of minority 
interest and so should probably not, in my opinion, be included in the 
Python core.

Colin W.
There is also a movement to choose a web framework to
> include and Django might be a good choice.  I think the Zope
> maintainers want to keep Zope separate and I think PIL has an
> incompatible license.  I'm not sure what you mean about making
> CheeseShop a front end to a build system, but I certainly don't think
> random user contributions should get added to the core automatically.
> Including a module in the core should carry with it the understanding
> that the module has undergone some reasonable evaluation by the core
> maintainers and is maintained.
> 
> I do think the core should have more stuff than it does, so that its
> functionality can be on a par with competing language distros like
> J2SE and PHP.  Both of those distros include database connectvity
> modules and web frameworks.  It could be that those other packages can
> include more stuff because they have more active developer communities
> and can therefore expend more resources maintaining their libraries.
> But if that's the case, since the Java and PHP languages themselves
> suck compared with Python, we have to ask ourselves why Python has not
> been able to attract similar levels of effort and what it could be
> doing differently.