Why not just show the out-of-range index?

[Carsten Haese]

On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 08:49 -0800, rurpy at yahoo.com wrote:
> Carsten Haese wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 01:04 -0800, Russ wrote:
> > > Robert Kern wrote:
> > >
> > > > Nothing is going to happen until you do one of these two things. Being more rude
> > > > (and yes, you are being incredibly rude and insulting) won't move things along.
> > >
> > > I re-read the thread, and I don't see anywhere where I was rude
> >
> > Please allow me to break it down for you:
> >
> > Your first reply on this thread, or second message, said:
> >
> > """
> > Now, that [submitting a patch that fixes the problem] would be rather
> > silly. I would have to familiarize myself
> > with the code for the Python interpreter, then send a patch to the
> > maintainers (and hope they notice it in their inboxes), while the
> > maintainers themselves could probably "fix" the problem in two minutes
> > flat. No thanks!
> >
> > My suggestion is trivial to implement and would benefit every Python
> > programmer (even if only slightly), so I don't think it is too much to
> > ask for.
> > """
> >
> > You may not have meant this to be rude, but it does come off as rude and
> > arrogant, and I'll explain to you why: In your first post you stated
> > that the feature seems like a no-brainer to you. That implies to the
> > reader that you might have the necessary skill to implement the feature
> > yourself, hence Robert's suggestion to submit a patch was, in the
> > context you gave yourself, neither unreasonable nor silly. I can see how
> > your calling a reasonable suggestion by a valuable community member
> > "silly" would be construed as rude and arrogant.
> 
> Thanks for explaining why the OP was rude.  Having been
> reading and listening to english for only a few decades
> probably, I am sure the OP (and me too!) appreciates your
> explanation of rudeness.  It was really hard for me to see it
> until you explained it so well.  The great thing about c.l.p. is
> how much one learns about non-Python things here.
> (oops, I hope I wasn't rude by saying there were non-Python
> things?  I didn't mean to diminish Python in any way.)
> 
> Russ,
> Please rememer that learning Python is not done overnight --
> there are many different levels of knowlage and only the
> most elite Pythonists have reached True Understanding.
> 
> Since there are many things you don't understand, it is
> best you (and me too!) do not make suggrestions publically.
> Infidels could read them and inplying that Python is not
> perfect and you will undermine the spritual growth of
> many other newbies..  Such dangerous sugggestions
> should be made privately at the alter of Sourceforge, with
> a lot of deep self-reflection and piety.
> 
> Until you achive greater understanding it is best if in public
> you make sure that you write with the following in mind:
> Python is perfect
> Perl sucks
> Static typing sucks
> Python is faster than C
> Quoting frequently from the holy Zen of Python is also
> helpful.  Please remember that many regulars here are
> members of the holy priesthood because they have spent
> many years studying the Python scriptures.  Be as circumspect
> in addressing them as you would be a medival knight or
> Japanese samurai.  Only by following their guidance with
> complete devoutness and faith will you be able to achive
> the deepest level of Python appreciation.
> 
> Hope this helps.

My sarcasm meter just exploded.

-Carsten