Autocoding project proposal.

[Sam Holden]

On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 04:54:13 GMT, Timothy Rue <threeseas at earthlink.net> wrote:
>On 03-Feb-02 23:18:30 Sam Holden <sholden at pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au> wrote:
>>On Mon, 04 Feb 2002 00:00:49 GMT, Timothy Rue <threeseas at earthlink.net>
>>wrote:
>>>On 30-Jan-02 23:23:31 Sam Holden <sholden at pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>>This is a discuss group (gnu,misc.discuss anyway). It is not a place to
>>>>seek coding help. If you don't want a debate don't post to a discussion
>>>>forum. If comp.lang.python is like every other comp.lang group I know then
>>>>it is also not a place to seek coding help - other than specific language
>>>>problems
>>>>(such as how do I convert a string into a number?).
>>>
>>>>You just don't understand how programmers work. And until you do you
>>>>won't find many willing to help you. In fact if someone did think your
>>>>ideas were good they would probably just fork your code and do it
>>>>themselves without your involvement - since you seem to be going out of
>>>>your way to turn
>>>> people off your project.
>>>
>>>
>>>Don't like the idea of autocoding huh?
>
>>Actually I have no opinion on it at all. I don't have time to get involved in
>>a project at the moment, and thuis I haven't tried to understand your long
>>explanations of what it is.
>
>>Since I don't know what it actually is, I don't know if I like or don't
>>like the idea.
>
>>If it is something that will help non-programmers better use the
>>computer resources they have access to without having to learn how
>>to program, then it would actually be something I would be interested
>>in - since that is an area I am interested in.
>
>>If it is that old assembler type thing then I'm not intersted since
>>that is an area I have no interest in.
>
>>If it is to do with autocoder by Smart Software Company, then I'm also
>>not interested, as automating open ended questions is not something I
>>personally find interesting.
>
>>I only posted to try and help you better communicate with programmers, and
>>if your reply is anything to go by you didn;t bother reading my advice,
>>or didn't think it was valid. Since your reply has not generated
>>any interest in me (a programmer) for your project - but that really
>>doesn't matter, as as I said, I'm busy at the moment.
>
>
>>Sam Holden
>
>
>And so is the logic failure of a programmer.
>
>
>You don't have the time to find out if I'm on to something that would
>interest you or not, yet you are arrogant enough to give advice regarding
>something you don't know about because you don't have the time to find out
>if what I'm on to is something you'd be interested in or not.

I gave advice that was independant of what you are actually doing. You
mentioned you were looking for programmers to help with a project. I am
a programmer, and I found your descriptions too hard to understand, to be worth
spending time on. I think I am pretty typical for a programmer. I am not
especially good at understanding things, and not especially poor. I suspect
other programmers will also find your project descriptions hard to understand.

If you don't care that others have trouble understanding, that's fine but it
means you have limited the potential population of those who might help you.

If you do care then I gave you some advice on what types of descriptions the
programmers I know find understandable and useful.

You don't have to take the advice, feel free to keep alientating the
people you asked for assistance from. From your more recent posts I see you
have basically given up on programmers (and their conspiracy to keep 
computers from the messes) so I guess you don't want the advice. 

If you aren't looking for programmers why are posting to these groups?

>
>Full circle!
>
>My first post had links that would have eliminated your multipul choice
>list above. But you don't have time for that, do you?

As I've said before I don't have time to work on a project at the moment. I
do have time to read a description that is of reasonable length, but I
can't understand your language. And since you have classed me as an arrogant,
elitist who is conspiring to prevent society from advancing, and as an
illogical fool, I don't have a lot of motivation to struggle through the 
text.

>
>What advice?

The huge wad of text, that described how to better communicate to the
programmers that I know (and I extrapolate to other programmers I don't know).

>
>Here some for you. Start thinking logically!

I think I already do - not perfectly of course, I'm a human I have
emotions and prejudices that get in the way of pure logical thought. I
don't understand what is illogical about offering advice on something I
have more experience than you in (in all probability anyway). I know
understand that trying to communicate with you is illogical, as you seem
to just want to rant without communicating anything.

Yet another programmer you have driven away by meaningless ranting. Then
again my thesis won't be finished until at least late this year, so I
wouldn't have been able to chip in until then anyway. 

-- 
Sam Holden