[Mailman-Users] mailman setup for vhosts

[David J. Duffner - NWCWEB.com]

>-----Original Message-----
>[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Brad Knowles
>Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 12:34 PM
>To: Scott R. Godin
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman setup for vhosts
>
>>At 11:14 AM -0400 2004-06-14, Scott R. Godin wrote:
>>
>>  I have a website client that would like a push-only mailing 
>>list that his customers can subscribe to to receive announcements of 
>>special sales and new products, and trade show schedules.
>>
>>	As far as this goes, it's simple enough to do.  See 
>><http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp>.
>>
>>  His website, however, is hosted on an ISP (running FreeBSD) 
>>who vhosts many different other sites.
>
>	This is not necessarily a problem.  If the mailing list 
>server is hosted elsewhere where they can have a private copy of Mailman hosted

>for them, or if this is hosted as a virtual machine account where 
>they can have a private copy of Mailman hosted.
>
>>  In the Features page, I don't really see any specific 
>>mention of whether mailman would handle a server with many different vhosted 
>>sites. Obviously one would like the clients to be able to subscribe and
>>unsubscribe themselves via a web-interface, but how to provide a link to the
>>client-side-admin page within the vhosted domain would be one question.
>
>	Mailman handles virtual domains just fine.  The problem is that 
>this is done via aliases, and each listname is available from each 
>virtual domain.  So, you can't have two separate lists with the same 
>name under different domains.
>
>	The folks at CPanel have come up with their own private patches 
>to resolve this issue, but then you'd have to host the list with 
>them, or run their software.
>
>	However, before you decide to do this, consider that if you run 
>their software or host the list at their site, you'll have to get all 
>your Mailman support from CPanel and not here.  See 
><http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp>.
>
>	There are other patches to support virtual domains in a 
>better/different fashion that I've seen posted to the list, but you'd 
>have to see the archives.  You should also search the SourceForge 
>patches list for Mailman.

	Ok, wading through this I possibly have some insight as we've
been pounding on this solution in a Red Hat Linux environment for 
some time with success:

http://forum.ev1servers.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43004

	We've managed to make an earlier version of Mailman that would
do as this gent needs, but under Ensim Pro's chrooted environment with
virtual sites.  In this fashion we've managed to make separate and 
distinct copies of Mailman not only install but provide all the normal
features for this revision.  I'm using this now and it works without
a hitch.  I'd discussed any workarounds for a chrooted environment here
about a year ago with limited success, but we finally got a solution!

	This solution is working under Ensim Pro with both RHEL and the
Fedora cores.

	Upgrading Mailman to the latest version is the remaining challenge
as it doesn't run as a cronjob as we've achieved in this solution.  To
get Mailmanctl to function properly, the only thoughts we've had are to
possibly run multiple copies of Mailmanctl for each domain that would
host lists, but we haven't tried that yet and are open to any suggestions
or options we might have there.

	HTH as far as a possible baseline solution in Scott's case!

      David J. Duffner
      VP Operations
      NWC Corporation
      NWCWEB.com
      
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