[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 14, Issue 52
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> 1. Re: Unwanted headers in mail body (W. van Eis)
> 2. RE: wrapper script run as nogroup (Jeremy Gilbert)
> 3. Re: wrapper script run as nogroup (Todd)
> 4. Re: wrapper script run as nogroup (Todd)
> 5. Mailing List Defaults (Merle Reine)
> 6. Re: Mailing List Defaults (Jon Carnes)
> 7. only one member in web interface (Brett Dikeman)
> 8. transfer mailman to a new server (Ako Ito)
> 9. RE: wrapper script run as nogroup (Jeremy Gilbert)
> 10. Managing Newsletters with large number of contributors?
> (Uwe Gaertner)
> 11. http/https and archives. (Chris Johnson)
> 12. wanting to see web interface for mailman (Sandra J. Wald)
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>From: "W. van Eis" <wop at quicknet.nl>
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>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted headers in mail body
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>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted headers in mail body
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>Once agian.. somebody ??
>
>
> > HI,
> >
> > I'm new to this list. Hope you can help me out.
> >
> > I'm running a mail list through a ISP, so i'm not the owner of the server
> > and don't have acces to the Mailman host.
> > But i've the following question; Some of our users recieve mails with
> > complete headers in the body and the original message is messed up. And
> > there's now sender visable. Could anyone tell me how to solve this
>problem?
> > I don't happens all the time on al the messages, but it's very irritating.
> >
> > Every help would be greatfull...
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Wop
> >
> > Running mailist on : www.verenigdestaten.info ( dutch site )
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>From: "Jeremy Gilbert" <zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com>
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>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:25:23 -0500
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>Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup
>Message: 2
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> > Your interpretation is not quite correct.
> >
> > When it is run, and as a security precaution, the mailman
>wrapper
> > checks the group of the process which is executing it is what it
>
> > expects and then and only then runs the mail delivery script
>with the
> > mailman gid. This expected gid is compiled into the mailman
> > wrapper as
> > the value of --with-mail-gid from ./configure.
> >
> > The issue is not what gid the wrapper should run the Mailman
>mail
> > delivery script as but what gid the wrapper expects the
> > process running
> > it to have.
> >
> > The error message is saying that it is being run with the gid
>nogroup
> > when it was told to expect to be run by a process with the
> > gid mailman.
> > If you want to stick with that then Postfix, repeat Postfix, has
>to
> > execute with the gid mailman. Which may or may not be what you
>want.
> >
>
>Okay, great. I'm not sure about your explanation, but when I
>changed all the aliases and aliases.db files on my system to
>mailman:mailman ownership, everything is finally working. By your
>explanation, Postfix must be running as gid mailman now.
>
>Thanks for the help, everyone. Should this be added to the
>documentation somewhere? I can usually find anything using the
>documentation, but I really don't think this information is in the
>documentation or FAQ anywhere.
>
>Thanks again,
>Jeremy Gilbert
>zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com
>
>
>From: Todd <Freedom_Lover at pobox.com>
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>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:51:57 -0500
>Reply-To: Todd <Freedom_Lover at pobox.com>
>Message-ID: <20031124215157.GI18451 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
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>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup
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>Richard Barrett wrote:
> > On 24 Nov 2003, at 17:25, Todd wrote:
> >> What are the perms on /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman? Postfix
> >> should be executing the script as whatever group the wrapper has.
> >
> > Your interpretation is not quite correct.
> >
> > When it is run, and as a security precaution, the mailman wrapper
> > checks the group of the process which is executing it is what it
> > expects and then and only then runs the mail delivery script with
> > the mailman gid. This expected gid is compiled into the mailman
> > wrapper as the value of --with-mail-gid from ./configure.
> >
> > The issue is not what gid the wrapper should run the Mailman mail
> > delivery script as but what gid the wrapper expects the process
> > running it to have.
> >
> > The error message is saying that it is being run with the gid
> > nogroup when it was told to expect to be run by a process with the
> > gid mailman. If you want to stick with that then Postfix, repeat
> > Postfix, has to execute with the gid mailman. Which may or may not
> > be what you want.
>
>The OP said that the error he was getting indicated that Postfix was
>running the wrapper as nogroup, when mailman was expecting it to be
>run as group mailman. I didn't think there was anything really to
>configure with Postfix in this regard. I believed that it executed
>with the group that the wrapper had, which his permissions showed was
>group mailman.
>
>Am I missing something here? Does Postfix 2.0 behave differently in
>this regard?
>
>I did just notice Jeremy's follow-up that he changed the group on the
>aliases files and that did the trick. I was thinking that postfix
>would run the wrapper as the group of the wrapper, but instead it runs
>them as the group of the aliases file I guess. Perhaps one of the
>posfix gurus can jump in if that's wrong.
>
>- --
>Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
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>Dayton?
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>From: Todd <Freedom_Lover at pobox.com>
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>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:57:10 -0500
>Reply-To: Todd <Freedom_Lover at pobox.com>
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>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup
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>Jeremy Gilbert wrote:
> > Okay, great. I'm not sure about your explanation, but when I
> > changed all the aliases and aliases.db files on my system to
> > mailman:mailman ownership, everything is finally working. By your
> > explanation, Postfix must be running as gid mailman now.
> >
> > Thanks for the help, everyone. Should this be added to the
> > documentation somewhere? I can usually find anything using the
> > documentation, but I really don't think this information is in the
> > documentation or FAQ anywhere.
>
>Well, README.POSTFIX does say this:
>
> Make sure that the owner of the data/aliases and data/aliases.db
> file is `mailman' and that the group owner for those files is
> `mailman'. E.g.:
>
> % su
> % chown mailman:mailman data/aliases*
>
>- --
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>hasn't the slightest intention of carrying it out in practice.
> -- Prince Otto
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>From: Merle Reine <merle.reine at lindows.com>
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>To: mailman-users at python.org, merle.reine at lindows.com
>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:50:25 -0800
>Message-ID: <3FC28B31.8010908 at lindows.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Defaults
>Message: 5
>
>Hello, all.
>
>I have around 300 mailing lists and more going up all the time. For each
>list I setup, I have to setup some defaults for our company such as
>listadmin, do not send pass reminders, digest options, etc.
>My question is, is there a way to set my particular defaults to be the
>defaults for a newlist creation? So when I create a new list, all the
>settings that I usually have to go into and change for each and every list
>would already be there?
>
>I have created a custom admin page with just a simple text box with
>"Create List". this way, only I can get to this page and to add a list, I
>simply type in the name and hit submit to create the list. If I could get
>it to have all the defaults I normally have to change and have them setup
>by default, it would make for no hassle management.
>
>If anyone knows where the defaults are stored for a list creation, or how
>to change all of the defaults, please let me know.
>
>
>
>
>
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>From: Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>
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>To: Merle Reine <merle.reine at lindows.com>
>References: <3FC28B31.8010908 at lindows.com>
>In-Reply-To: <3FC28B31.8010908 at lindows.com>
>Date: 24 Nov 2003 19:09:58 -0500
>Reply-To: jonc at nc.rr.com
>Message-ID: <1069718998.4376.222.camel at localhost.localdomain>
>Content-Type: text/plain
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Defaults
>Message: 6
>
>On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 17:50, Merle Reine wrote:
> > Hello, all.
> >
> > I have around 300 mailing lists and more going up all the time. For
> > each list I setup, I have to setup some defaults for our company such as
> > listadmin, do not send pass reminders, digest options, etc.
> >
> > My question is, is there a way to set my particular defaults to be the
> > defaults for a newlist creation? So when I create a new list, all the
> > settings that I usually have to go into and change for each and every
> > list would already be there?
> >
> > I have created a custom admin page with just a simple text box with
> > "Create List". this way, only I can get to this page and to add a list,
> > I simply type in the name and hit submit to create the list. If I could
> > get it to have all the defaults I normally have to change and have them
> > setup by default, it would make for no hassle management.
> >
> > If anyone knows where the defaults are stored for a list creation, or
> > how to change all of the defaults, please let me know.
> >
>Most of these can be set in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (look in
>Defaults.py and copy over the settings you want to change as your list
>defaults).
>
>Jon Carnes
>
>
>
>From: Brett Dikeman <brett at cloud9.net>
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>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:49:02 -0500
>Message-ID: <a05200f06bbe8653b181a@[192.168.1.2]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] only one member in web interface
>Message: 7
>
>On our larger lists(1000 people), we only see one address listed in the
>web UI, instead of the usual 25 or so per page that we used to see in 2.0;
>some lists 5 or so, others more like 10 or 15. Very inconsistent. Is
>this normal? If so, very annoying. The smaller lists seem fine...
>
>Brett
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>
>
>
>
>From: "Ako Ito" <allan at lxd1.asiandevbank.org>
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>Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:08:42 +0800
>Message-ID: <006c01c3b301$6e65a440$578b17ac at a3gts4>
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> charset="iso-8859-1"
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] transfer mailman to a new server
>Message: 8
>
>anyone have successfuly transferred/migrated a working mailman server to a
>new server.. what steps do i need to undertake to successfully migrate
>it.. thanks
>
>From: "Jeremy Gilbert" <zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com>
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>Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:39:38 -0500
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>Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup
>Message: 9
>
> > Well, README.POSTFIX does say this:
> >
> > Make sure that the owner of the data/aliases and
>data/aliases.db
> > file is `mailman' and that the group owner for those files
>is
> > `mailman'. E.g.:
> >
> > % su
> > % chown mailman:mailman data/aliases*
>
>Yes, I saw that, and I followed those instructions, but until I
>changed the ownership of /etc/aliases and /etc/postfix/aliases*
>the wrapper was still being run as gid "nogroup". I think the
>documentation should be changed to also recommend change those
>files to group ownership of mailman.
>
>Jeremy Gilbert
>zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com
>
>
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>From: "Uwe Gaertner" <ufgmail at gmx.de>
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>Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:43:17 +0100 (MET)
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>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing Newsletters with large number of
> contributors?
>Message: 10
>
>Hi everybody,
>
>I'm managing a group of mailman-newsletters each with a large number of
>contributors. In order to grant write-access to the lists only to the
>contributors all members are set to 'moderated' by default and the
>moderated-flag is
>disabled manually for the contributors if they are also subscribers to the
>list
>(which is the default case).
>
>Here is my question: Is there an easy way to manage the 'moderated'-flag -
>e.g. via a list of e-mail-addresses - so that the uncomfortable manual process
>can be avoided?
>
>Any help is ver much appreciated!
>
>Uwe Gaertner
>
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>From: Chris Johnson <johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
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>Subject: [Mailman-Users] http/https and archives.
>Message: 11
>
> Hi,
>
> These are probably questions previously answered by I haven't found
>answers to them.
>
> First, is there a way to make the Web interface work with secure
>web, i.e. https, rather than http? We want the passwds to be ecrypted
>at least. I know what to in Apache but is there anything in Mailman
>that needs to be changed to have it generate https for its Web pages.
>
> Second, I want to move some Majordomo lists to Mailman. Is there
>a way to transfer the archives to mailman archives. Documentation
>seems a bit scarce.
>
> Help apprecitated. Many thanks.
>
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>From: "Sandra J. Wald" <swald at ssc.wisc.edu>
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>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:20:36 -0600
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>Subject: [Mailman-Users] wanting to see web interface for mailman
>Message: 12
>
>Hello,
>
>Do you have a demo or screen shots for mailman listowner?
>
>sincerely,
>Sandra
>
>Sandra Wald
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