[Mailman-Users] browser compatibility of admin interface?

[Dave Klingler]

Unfortunately, several years ago Omni somehow contrived to write huge, buggy,
bloated code under a development system where that wasn't supposed to happen,
and they've been doing it ever since.  They're a nice bunch of guys, but
their libraries actually have the ability to crash my NeXTStep and OpenStep
machines with nasty bus errors.  Nobody at Omni has ever had time to figure
out what was happening (OmniWeb's a mostly free product), so there it sits.
Interestingly enough, Omni's other apps are equally evil, which is why I 
decided that it was the libraries.  Omni's libraries are used in all their 
custom, contracted apps as well, which is interesting.

The original OmniWeb 1.0 by Will Shipley was small, elegant, relatively bugfree
and intuitive to use, but the followon 2.0 was totally rearchitected by Ken
Case to occupy more disk space, confuse the users, and use more machine cycles.
Current versions of OmniWeb are based on the Case codebase, so far as I know.

Apologies to any Omni employees who read this some day and feel insulted.
I found out the hard way that it's a good idea to save my work before running 
any Omni apps, so I carry a little bit of extra bile around with me regarding
OmniGroup.  Without running Omni apps my uptimes tend to be right around 3-5
months.

Dave "I sent in my bug reports" Klingler

> >>>>> "JWB" == John W Baxter <jwblist at olympus.net> writes:
> 
>     JWB> [Because of the lateness of this response, I'll note that
>     JWB> OmniWeb 4.0 final is out for Mac OS X, and a 4.0.1 is
>     JWB> expected "soon."  http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/
>     JWB> is where this is found.  I'll also note that issues like this
>     JWB> are surprising, given that Omni has been doing web browsers
>     JWB> since roughly the time that the Netscape crowd left NCSA.]
> 
> Did they at one time build a browser for NextStep?  I seem to remember
> using OmniWeb years ago when I was hacking on NS.  I never tried it
> with Mailman though.
> 
> I would be surprised if this bug hasn't been discovered before for
> other OmniWeb users.  I think the HTML that Mailman spits out is
> pretty pedestrian.
> 
> -Barry
> 
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