[Mailman-Developers] here we go again... (are these headers really right?)

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 12:29  AM, J C Lawrence wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:28:48 -0700
> Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's the problem. From points to the author. To points to me. In
>> this case, they're both the same, but...
>
> Translation:
>
>   A post which was BCC'ed to a list.

Except that's not true.

I sent it To: my mailing list. The personalization removed that, and 
replaced with with a To: to the individual on the maling list. Leaving 
no linkage left back to the list for reply or reply-all to find.

In non-personalized mail, to To: address becomes the list. In 
personalized, that linkage is nuked. That effectively is treating ALL 
mail to the list as if it were BCCed to the list.

So reply is dead (I won't call it broken) if personalization is turned 
on. I don't believe that's what my users are going to expect.

I know, I know, I'm calling for more configuration stuff, but... Is 
there some way we can turn on personalization while leaving to/from/cc 
in the old style setup? Just allow return-path and header/footer tweak 
type stuff?

I just feel like if people start using personalization like this, it 
won't be what they expect. the removal of the linkage back to the list 
bothers me. If someone chooses to break the linkage with Bcc, great. If 
not...

god, can we go back and shoot the guys who mis-designed reply-to? 
List-post: isn't quite right here (or widely supported yet), reply-to 
doesn't do the "right" thing, either.

I guess another question would be this -- should the list regularlize 
how headers are written to set it up so reply goes back to the author 
and reply-all to the list? isn't that (barring a coerced reply to) how 
most users are expecting things now?

>> Shouldn't the list be in the CC: line?
>
> Arguable.  It really depends on your view of BCCs and lists, and 
> whether
> you consider them a Good and Useful thing, or an annoyance of the
> devil.  cf followup-to in netnews.

would be true, if I'd Bcc:ed the list. I explicitly didn't.

I guess I'm arguing that if I turn personalization on, it shouldn't 
hcange how the systme handles to/from/cc -- and it does. And that's 
going to cause unhappiness.


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui@plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/

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opinion
something that is clearly from context an opinion to everyone except the
mentally dense. Opinions flagged by IMHO are actually rarely humble. 
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     (source: third unabridged dictionary of chuqui-isms).