Oh, this is so obscure I'm embarrassed. % list_members typo_a_list_name > foo % % cat foo No such list "typo_a_list_name" List_members returns errors to STDOUT, not STDERR. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Architech chuqui@plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/ Stress is when you wake up screaming and you realize you haven't fallen asleep yet.