[Inpycon] Stepping down from the PyCon India 2018 core team

[vijay kumar]

Apologies for top posting.


Looks like community is neither bothered about the concerns raised on PSSI
nor does it want to bring transparency in PSSI/PyCon India with accounts
and the policies followed on all aspects. I tried my best to clear things
out with internal discussions and also tried bringing a couple of things
here in the mailing list. It seems to me that you have to be friends of
senior people here to get answers. Otherwise your concerns will be
neglected altogether and you will be targeted badly even for a small
mistake of yours. I do not have time, energy or patience to fight
indefinitely.

Just to make my stand clear, am not comfortable with the culture PSSI
follows. Being secretary of PSSI , I doubt I can co-operate without
transparency in policies and procedures PSSI follows and also all the
queries raised are not addressed. I do not entertain groupism in open
source community and do not want to be indulged in one. If we cannot work
as one team, we cannot call ourself open source community.

Hope this email will be taken constructively and I won't be targeted for
this email again.


On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:40 PM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:36 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 12:35 AM, chandan kumar <
>> chandankumar.093047 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Coming to PSSI, they have given us n-steps on how invoices should be
>>> raised for
>>> sponsorship money, one step says they are the only people to share
>>> invoice as
>>> they are the statutorily accountable for invoices. We completely
>>> understand we
>>> wanted one changed in steps Sponsorship co-ordinator will loop PSSI
>>> board while
>>> we should be sending an invoice as continuity for discussion instead of
>>> PSSI
>>> suddenly sending the invoice as a surprise. The problem is it took 5
>>> days for PSSI
>>> treasurer to accept our proposal, but other members did not agree.
>>> Looks like
>>> PSSI even don't trust that we will do it in right spirit and they are
>>> citing
>>> like a company where marketing team's job is to find a customer and let
>>> other
>>> teams take over. Does PSSI really trust any PyCon India volunteers? And
>>> that
>>> makes me think of a very interesting point. If the people (Lords?)
>>> running PSSI
>>> are so concerned about the community, why are you not involving the
>>> community
>>> in the organization (PSSI), instead kicked everyone else out from the
>>> organization (no one allowed us to renew our memberships)? Could anyone
>>> please
>>> tell me when was the last Annual General Meeting happened? So, please do
>>> not
>>> show your concern about the community when you do not care about the
>>> community
>>> at all.
>>>
>>
>> There is the email thread that happened in PSSI mailing list.
>>
>> https://anandology.com/tmp/pssi-sponsorship-thread.pdf
>>
>> In which, Vijay threatened to run PyCon India without PSSI and demanded
>> Sree for explanation for why a courier was delayed by a day.
>> Is that a way to treat a senior volunteer who as been with PyCon India
>> from the very beginning and even lost a family member for PyCon India (yes,
>> many of you don't know that).
>>
>
> Request you not to mistake me for asking this. But I could not understand
> "for PyCon India" in the above statement.
>
> Anand C,
> I would request you to provide complete info for everybody here to
> understand. All I asked Sree was to share the soft copy of invoice when the
> hard copy was already couriered. Even after repeated requests Sree neither
> shared the soft copy with PSSI board members nor with PyCon India core
> volunteers. This was not the first time he did this but he did the same
> during PyCon India 2017 for every payment or invoice. He always agrees to
> follow a protocol defined however,when the time comes, he ignores the
> protocols and end up doing what he wants. He ignores the reminders and
> requests to follow what we agreed as well.
>
>
> Just to let everyone know here, I had requested Sree to share PyCon India
> 2016 and 2017 expense report which he agreed. But he never could get
> approval from the core team of PyCon India 2016 and 2017 to share the same
> even after multiple requests. After which he requested PSSI executive
> members to process Audit report of 2016-17. I would request everyone here
> to help me understand how an Audit report can be processed without knowing
> the expense report of the one and only event supported by PSSI.
>
> And for the record, Anand C and even the President of PSSI did not take
> any action to get PSSI follow process instead I was questioned for
> requesting to follow process. And it continues here as well.
>
> Also, every year PSSI comes up with new process for PyCon India depending
> on who are leading PyCon India that year. In PyCon India 2017, PSSI agreed
> to let the core volunteers take decisions on everything related to the
> event and PSSI act only provide financial support. But in 2018, the process
> was changed and the core volunteers were not consulted neither their
> concerns were considered. That was the reason I said that we might have to
> rethink on working with PSSI. The email shared by Anand C has all the
> necessary info.
>
> I had a hard time making PSSI board members understand our bye-law to
> involve executive members of PSSI in all the decision taking. I took that
> struggle hope that would help resolve the issues in PSSI but you went ahead
> with dissolving the board without even understanding how Indian law works
> and what is there in the bye-law.
>
> How can one trust PSSI when there are so many internal conflicts?
>
> Note: I was told repeatedly that PSF has given PSSI authority to run PyCon
> India. Could you please provide me insights as to when and how this
> discussion with PSF happened. Being a PSSI secretary, I do not have this
> details.
>
> All this make me feel that a set of people here has something against me
> and come hard on me for whatever I say or do.
>
>
>
>> I Agree that PSSI has its own problems. I've been arguing that PSSI need
>> to be more efficient and transparent. It is a big mess and there is no
>> sense of trust among the members. I've suggested everyone to stepdown and
>> let new people representing all python usergroups in India to take over and
>> drive. Everyone who replied to that agreed except Vijay and Varnita.
>>
>>
> Thanks to you, who helped creating PSSI bye-law, we cannot just get the
> new members in and replace the board at once. Any member must complete a
> year before becoming a board member. Looks like you missed to read the
> response instead made up mind that we are not agreeing by just checking who
> the sender is.
> Sorry to say I can't support illogical and immature decision like this.
>
>


-- 
Thanks,
Vijay
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