From cjnelson at shaw.ca  Mon Sep  4 12:01:24 2006
From: cjnelson at shaw.ca (Chris and Janice Nelson)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:01:24 -0500
Subject: [Python Wpg] Hello
Message-ID: <002e01c6d03b$5f5176a0$6600a8c0@swunsyvev4j6wp>

Hi Folks: I am a newbie to Python and was introduced to it by a long time friend of mine who has gone on to develop a web based application using Python.I am looking forward to getting my feet wet with this software in the coming weeks.Looking forward to meeting everyone.
Chris
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From sbalneav at legalaid.mb.ca  Tue Sep  5 10:34:07 2006
From: sbalneav at legalaid.mb.ca (Scott Balneaves)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 09:34:07 -0500
Subject: [Python Wpg] Hello
In-Reply-To: <002e01c6d03b$5f5176a0$6600a8c0@swunsyvev4j6wp>
References: <002e01c6d03b$5f5176a0$6600a8c0@swunsyvev4j6wp>
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On Mon, Sep 04, 2006 at 11:01:24AM -0500, Chris and Janice Nelson wrote:

> Hi Folks: I am a newbie to Python and was introduced to it by a long timei
> friend of mine who has gone on to develop a web based application using
> Python.I am looking forward to getting my feet wet with this software in
> the coming weeks.Looking forward to meeting everyone.
> Chris

Welcome.

You'll find we're a small, but interesting lot.

Some of the projects we've got underway:

1) Starlanes: Classic gaming with a python twist!  Newer!  Blingier!
   XML-RPCier! Made Up Adjectivier!
2) LdapFS: Esoteric LDAP administration made even more bizarre with a
   filesystem frontend via FUSE.  All the rage on the runways of Paris
   and Milan!

All this, plus:

Language Fundamentals!
Questions and Answers!
Advice on your own projects!
Dancing Elephants and a 3 Ring Circus!*

So, come on out, and have a blast.

Scott

* Three ring circus not available in all areas, current zoning bylaws
  permitting, see user group for details, no patents pending.

-- 
Scott L. Balneaves | "Looking beyond the embers of bridges glowing behind us
Systems Department |  To a glimpse of how green it was on the other side..."
Legal Aid Manitoba |    -- Pink Floyd "High Hopes"


From aklaassen at gmail.com  Fri Sep  8 10:50:10 2006
From: aklaassen at gmail.com (Aaron Klaassen)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:50:10 -0500
Subject: [Python Wpg] Hello
In-Reply-To: <200608310930.45154.mpfaiffer@callapple.org>
References: <9B756D32-C2DE-495C-8BDA-B6F426B6AC9B@centrix.ca>
	<200608310930.45154.mpfaiffer@callapple.org>
Message-ID: <faa9c35c0609080750q389bcdedmb72eef7fb549d57b@mail.gmail.com>

Hm. It seems the mailing list and I had a disagreement over what email
address I was actually subscribed under. After a bit of a tussle, it's all
been worked out, but apparently this message of mine never got posted
(thanks to Stuart for pointing that out).

So now sit back in your chairs and imagine a time of daisy-filled meadows
and enchanted springtimes. A time of last week....



Well...since we're introducing ourselves, maybe I finally should: I'm a 4th
year Computer Science student at the U of M, but so far haven't really done
anything with Python.  So looking at the "Topic Ideas" section on the
WinniPUG website makes me wish for "Quick intro to Python for programmers."
Though I did get as far as "Hello, world!" a little while ago. :) These days
I mostly code in whatever language my profs tell me to...so it's a lot of C.
Some C# and Java. Maybe some Lisp for flavour. With a new semester starting
this week...who knows what'll be going on.

I've been lurking on this mailing list for months already, but have yet to
attend any of the meetings or anything; my absence due mostly to the rather
crazy amount of time that can be taken up by a couple of jobs and a whole
bunch of classes. :) But don't worry...I'll show up one of these days.


On 8/31/06, Mike Pfaiffer <mpfaiffer at callapple.org> wrote:
>
> On Thursday 31 August 2006 08:38, Richard Fillion wrote this amazing
> epistle:
> > I just found out about WinniPUG, and so I figured that I should
> > subscribe to this list and say hello to everyone.  Well... Hello
> > Everyone.
> >
> > I guess I should introduce myself properly.  I'm Rick... I recently
> > graduated from the University of North Dakota with a B.Sc. in CSci.
> > Python is one of two languages that I currently enjoy programming
> > (the other being Objective-C).  Right now I mainly use Python for
> > shell scripting on the servers I admin, but I've done bigger things
> > with it.  Mainly web applications and a whole web app framework.
> >
> > I will definitely be attending meetings, and look forward to meeting
> > all of you.
> >
> > Richard Fillion
> > rick at centrix.ca
>
>         Everybody is welcome as long as they have even a remote interest
> in
> Python. :-)
>
>                                 Later
>                                 Mike
>
>
>
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From mpfaiffer at callapple.org  Sat Sep  9 17:16:14 2006
From: mpfaiffer at callapple.org (Mike Pfaiffer)
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:16:14 -0500
Subject: [Python Wpg] Hello
In-Reply-To: <002e01c6d03b$5f5176a0$6600a8c0@swunsyvev4j6wp>
References: <002e01c6d03b$5f5176a0$6600a8c0@swunsyvev4j6wp>
Message-ID: <200609091616.14246.mpfaiffer@callapple.org>

	Since everybody else is posting introductions I may as well jump on the 
bandwagon.

	I'm Mike Pfaiffer. I'm a writer/programmer/designer/what ever someone wants 
me to do kind of guy. At the moment I am officially unemployed. Unofficially 
I write for the magazine listed below without pay. I'm a Python newbie (not a 
rank newbie since I make it a point to shower daily). ;-)

	The meetings are slightly over my head at the moment, but I manage to 
understand at least one thing every meeting. Eventually I'll catch on.

	My goals at the meetings vary. So far they include learning the syntax as 
well as the various modules. I'm trying to wrap my head around the ideas 
behind Object Oriented Programming (I graduated from the U of M before they 
started teaching it). Privately I am somewhat annoyed with some of the 
programs I use and think I can do a better job.

	I'm trying a number of (I guess this is the correct term) APIs. So far I like 
Idle the best. Mainly because I can change the font size in the editor and 
the program doesn't think it knows what I want better than I do. While emacs 
and vim look interesting, I prefer a GUI interface or something like nano 
where I can concentrate on the language rather than the editor.

				Later
				Mike



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From stuartw at mts.net  Mon Sep 25 15:28:06 2006
From: stuartw at mts.net (Stuart Williams)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:28:06 -0500
Subject: [Python Wpg] Meeting reminder
Message-ID: <17688.11718.718257.876894@gavel.swilliams.ca>

Don't forget this Wednesday's meeting where Jason will wow us with
what I expect to be a stellar presentation on iterators and
generators.  I expect we'll all understand iter() and __iter__() a
little bit better when he's done.

Rumour has it he may also explain the co-routine possibilities opened
up by the addition of yield expressions to generators in Python 2.5.

I have written Python code with Jason.  He's very good.  Don't miss
this rare opportunity.

As it says on http://WinniPUG.ca, the meeting starts this Wednesday,
September 27th, at 7:30 p.m. in Room 2M70 at the University of
Winnipeg - on the second floor of Manitoba hall. To reach this room,
head up the main escalators in Centennial Hall to the 2nd floor, turn
right to head east into Manitoba hall, turn left down the hallway and
look for the room on your right.

Stuart.


From mpfaiffer at callapple.org  Mon Sep 25 22:58:28 2006
From: mpfaiffer at callapple.org (Mike Pfaiffer)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Python Wpg] Meeting reminder
In-Reply-To: <17688.11718.718257.876894@gavel.swilliams.ca>
References: <17688.11718.718257.876894@gavel.swilliams.ca>
Message-ID: <200609252158.28841.mpfaiffer@callapple.org>

On Monday 25 September 2006 14:28, Stuart Williams wrote this amazing epistle:
> Don't forget this Wednesday's meeting where Jason will wow us with
> what I expect to be a stellar presentation on iterators and
> generators.  I expect we'll all understand iter() and __iter__() a
> little bit better when he's done.
>
> Rumour has it he may also explain the co-routine possibilities opened
> up by the addition of yield expressions to generators in Python 2.5.
>
> I have written Python code with Jason.  He's very good.  Don't miss
> this rare opportunity.
>
> As it says on http://WinniPUG.ca, the meeting starts this Wednesday,
> September 27th, at 7:30 p.m. in Room 2M70 at the University of
> Winnipeg - on the second floor of Manitoba hall. To reach this room,
> head up the main escalators in Centennial Hall to the 2nd floor, turn
> right to head east into Manitoba hall, turn left down the hallway and
> look for the room on your right.
>
> Stuart.

	I'm looking forward to the meeting. Always informative.

	There is one question I'd like to ask. Maybe an example could be worked into 
the presentation... I'm about to start into learning about threads 
(multitasking). At the moment I'm currently working on files so talking about 
threads is about two to three weeks early.

	Last months session inspired me some more. The up side is it should allow me 
to replace a program I'm quite annoyed at as well as help out a little more 
on the OO Starlanes. I'm going to figure out object oriented programming or 
die trying. ;-)

				Later
				Mike



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From jason at peaceworks.ca  Mon Sep 25 23:05:40 2006
From: jason at peaceworks.ca (Jason Hildebrand)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 22:05:40 -0500
Subject: [Python Wpg] Meeting reminder
In-Reply-To: <200609252158.28841.mpfaiffer@callapple.org>
References: <17688.11718.718257.876894@gavel.swilliams.ca>
	<200609252158.28841.mpfaiffer@callapple.org>
Message-ID: <1159239940.15801.3.camel@trotzdem.walnut.peaceworks.ca>

On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 21:58 -0500, Mike Pfaiffer wrote:
> 	There is one question I'd like to ask. Maybe an example could be worked into 
> the presentation... I'm about to start into learning about threads 
> (multitasking). At the moment I'm currently working on files so talking about 
> threads is about two to three weeks early.

Hi Mike,

Can you be specific about what kind of example you're looking for?
Something to do with threads?  One thread-related thing I will talk
about is that generators let you avoid the complexities of working with
multiple threads in certain situations.  If you have a specific
threading question or example you'd like to see, I'd be happy to try and
address it.

peace,
Jason




From sbalneav at legalaid.mb.ca  Tue Sep 26 14:00:37 2006
From: sbalneav at legalaid.mb.ca (Scott Balneaves)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:00:37 -0500
Subject: [Python Wpg] Meeting reminder
In-Reply-To: <17688.11718.718257.876894@gavel.swilliams.ca>
References: <17688.11718.718257.876894@gavel.swilliams.ca>
Message-ID: <20060926180037.GA25625@localdomain>

On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 02:28:06PM -0500, Stuart Williams wrote:
> Don't forget this Wednesday's meeting where Jason will wow us with
> what I expect to be a stellar presentation on iterators and
> generators.  I expect we'll all understand iter() and __iter__() a
> little bit better when he's done.

I will be there with bells on.

Scott

-- 
Scott L. Balneaves | "Looking beyond the embers of bridges glowing behind us
Systems Department |  To a glimpse of how green it was on the other side..."
Legal Aid Manitoba |    -- Pink Floyd "High Hopes"


From mpfaiffer at callapple.org  Thu Sep 28 12:13:12 2006
From: mpfaiffer at callapple.org (Mike Pfaiffer)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:13:12 -0500
Subject: [Python Wpg] October meeting
Message-ID: <200609281113.12331.mpfaiffer@callapple.org>

	Last night we were talking about what we were going to do for next month. I 
guess since I'm at the computer early today I may as well start off. We are 
going to be talking about Python IDEs. Those of us who are comfortable with 
public speaking are going to give presentations on what we've tried/used. We 
are going to coordinate what we are doing here so there is no overlap during 
the presentation.

	I've looked at a number of them and found I'm most comfortable with a program 
called IDLE. Since it sounds like I'm probably the only one using it I'll do 
this one. It's fairly simple so the presentation shouldn't be too long (I 
think about five minutes, but allocate 15 to be safe). If we are going to go 
from simple to complex then this presentation should be one of the first.

	Would it be possible for someone who is bringing in a Linux laptop to install 
IDLE and bring it to the meeting? I'll do a couple short "hello world" 
programs on the fly to illustrate some of the features in the program.

	If anyone wants to do a short presentation Stuart, Syd, Scott, and I rattled 
off a few environments at the end of the meeting. There is Eric, PyPE, 
Ipython, kate (more of an editor), emacs, vi, KDevelop, SPE, and pida. There 
are more I can't remember. Stake your claim so someone with a working printer 
can put the presentations in order. Best start looking at the environments 
early so there is more to talk about. ;-)

				Later
				Mike

P.S. Good presentation Jason. Scott, could you e-mail me the source of the 
first file from last night. I've an application I'm working on which could 
use it. Why reinvent the wheel?

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From syd at plug.ca  Thu Sep 28 12:41:15 2006
From: syd at plug.ca (Sydney Weidman)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:41:15 -0500
Subject: [Python Wpg] More future topic ideas
Message-ID: <1159461675.3233.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Great meeting, great presentation! Thanks, Jason.

Just thought I'd send a couple of future topic ideas to the list for
mulling:

- A Web framework, possibly Django - http://www.djangoproject.com/
- Application development with Zope 3
- GUI Framework like kiwi http://www.async.com.br/projects/kiwi/

- Syd



From rick at centrix.ca  Thu Sep 28 13:55:54 2006
From: rick at centrix.ca (Richard Fillion)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:55:54 -0500
Subject: [Python Wpg] More future topic ideas
In-Reply-To: <1159461675.3233.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1159461675.3233.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <6B907219-2B23-4987-8CA1-CF9D60DBA667@centrix.ca>

If there's some interest I could present the cocoa-python bridge that  
Apple developed.  It's quite impressive.

Richard Fillion
rick at centrix.ca



On Sep 28, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Sydney Weidman wrote:

> Great meeting, great presentation! Thanks, Jason.
>
> Just thought I'd send a couple of future topic ideas to the list for
> mulling:
>
> - A Web framework, possibly Django - http://www.djangoproject.com/
> - Application development with Zope 3
> - GUI Framework like kiwi http://www.async.com.br/projects/kiwi/
>
> - Syd
>
> _______________________________________________
> Winnipeg mailing list
> Winnipeg at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/winnipeg
>



From billreid at shaw.ca  Thu Sep 28 23:23:10 2006
From: billreid at shaw.ca (Bill Reid)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:23:10 -0500
Subject: [Python Wpg] More future topic ideas
In-Reply-To: <1159461675.3233.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1159461675.3233.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <451C919E.9090406@shaw.ca>

Sydney Weidman wrote:

> Just thought I'd send a couple of future topic ideas to the list for
> mulling:
> 
> - A Web framework, possibly Django - http://www.djangoproject.com/

Yes, it is rising in my queue to look at a Web Framework. I was keen on trying 
Ruby on Rails but there are a few Python alternatives. Django is one. I also 
heard good things about CherryPy.

http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks

-- Bill