[Tutor] Fwd: Re: How to post: Was Re: The Charms of Gmail

[Steven D'Aprano]

With permission of the author, I have been asked to forward this to the 
list. I trust that those vigilantees on the warpath against gmail are 
happy now, as there is one fewer gmail user using Python.



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In-Reply-To: <20131223151122.GB29356 at ando>
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:17:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [Tutor] How to post: Was Re: The Charms of Gmail
From: Andy McKenzie <amckenzie4 at gmail.com>
To: "Steven D'Aprano" <steve at pearwood.info>

You know what?  I've been lurking here a long time.  I've asked a few
questions and gotten a few useful responses.

But overwhelmingly, when I think of this list, I find that my instinctive
response is "Full of rude, arrogant people."

So screw this.  I don't need to keep reading insults to people who are
trying to ask reasonable questions.  I don't need to read long rants about
how GMail is ruining the world and all its users ought to be banned.  I
don't need to watch people be harassed for daring to top-post.  There's at
least one post in every thread I read here that makes me think "This guy's
a jerk... why am I reading this?"

I'm done.  With the list, and possibly with Python... it doesn't seem to do
much that other languages I like don't do, and the loudest portion of the
language's advocates -- not the majority, just the loudest -- are just
plain obnoxious.  I don't need that in my life.

Good luck to all of you, and I hope your lives are pleasant.  And I hope
those of you who don't currently know learn how to treat people politely.

Andy McKenzie


On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Steven D'Aprano <steve at pearwood.info>wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 12:59:15PM +0000, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>
> > I entirely agree.  I'll offer to supply the cotton wool, baby oil, bibs
> > and nappies that we can wrap the newbies up in
>
> "Wrap the newbies up in"? Who taught you to speak English? And what's
> with the two spaces after a full stop? It's not 1955 anymore, get with
> the program.
>
> (See how annoying it is to have the substance of your post completely
> ignored while trivial incidentals are picked on? Are you now even a
> *tiny* bit moved to use a single space after full stops?)
>
>
> > as we don't want to offend them.
>
> It's not about *offending* them. It's about being a tedious, shrill
> nagger that makes the whole environment unpleasant for everybody, not
> just the newbies. If you can give advice without being unpleasant and a
> nag, please do so. Would you rather be "right", and ignored, or
> effective?
>
>
> > I mean if we do offend them, they might desert us for
> > places such as stackoverflow, where they can read top voted answers that
> > are completely wrong.
>
> I keep hearing people say this about StackOverflow, but whenever I
> google on a question I find plenty of good answers there. Yes, I see
> some pretty wrong or silly or ignorant answers, but not as the top-voted
> answer. Can you show me some of these top-voted but wrong answers?
>
>
> --
> Steven
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