(forw) [wesc@deirdre.org: Re: [Tutor] Python and web scripting]
Oleksandr Moskalenko
malex@purdue.edu
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I read Ivan's Python in 24 hours. It was my first book on Python and
it left me confused in a few places as I am still a newbie here. I heard
your talk at Purdue Linux Users' group which got me really intersted in
Python BTW. Anyway, Since I bought Mark's Learning Python and
Programming Python 2nd ed. I hit my head quite a few times saying "Oh,
that's what Ivan was trying to show!". For example the lambda function
was way over my head until I read about it in Learning Python.
I guess they are kind of complimentary. Oh, I also read those tutors on
the web adn think they are excellent.
Alex.
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From: Wesley Chun <wesc@deirdre.org>
To: Michael <michael@exasource.com>
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Subject: Re: [Tutor] Python and web scripting
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:25:33 -0700 (PDT)
On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Michael wrote:
>
> It seemed to be the most versatile language. I was mainly interested in
> being able to use it in web applications, but as I progress, I like the idea
> of being able to do a complete application, GUI and all. Glade sounds
> awesome.
yes, i have seen a demonstration of GLADE and it looks quite potent.
i don't think GUI development had it any easier!
> > Currently, there are some books on Zope coming out,
>
> I have been reading the CVS on The ZOPE Book at sourceforge. It sounds
> great! I'm looking forward to downloading it and playing with it until I can
> get proficient enough to use it.
there is more documentation on Zope now than before,
but some still feel it's lacking. i'm interesting in
messing around with it more myself.
> >and as far as PSP goes, I've only seen a few magazine articles.
>
> I've read a couple of things on this too. Maybe by the time I'm actually
> able to use ZOPE in a real world application, there will be more information
> available on this subject as well.
>
> I tried using the ApacheToolBox to install all of this, but it failed. I am
> using a PostgreSQL database, PHP and Apache. The guy working on the backend
> picked PHP becuase he has a strong background in C, but he's already having
> problems working with arrays and is not sure what to do about it. I'm just
> looking for alternatives and since I don't have any prior programming
> predjudices, decided to look at Python.
Ah, yes. PHP itself is a good concept. unfortunately, it requires
learning "yet another language." So this is where PSP and Zope look
like better alternatives. In my days at Four11.com and Yahoo!, we
used a proprietary PSP-like system to crank our products out. it is
definitely the way to go as far as coming up with entire web systems
on the fly.
Python makes a pretty good first language. The syntax is friendly
enough to not scare you away, and you can "add-on" anytime you want.
Sort of like having Batman's costume, then adding different gadgets
as you see fit.
> Thanks for the information and at what point in my journey would your book be
> beneficial? Is it right for a total newbie, or would it be better to do a
> few tutorials first?
Thanks for asking. I will make no attempt to hide the fact that
the target audience of Core Python Programming is a technical
person who has prior experience in another language (any). I'd
suggest doing some of the more well-known programming newbie tutorials:
There are several well-known excellent documents pertaining to
learning how to program with Python. Most are available from
the Python edu-sig website: http://www.python.org/sigs/edu-sig/
Instant Hacking: Learning to Program with Python
http://www.hetland.org/python/instant-hacking.php
Learning to Program (A. Gauld)
http://members.nbci.com/alan_gauld/tutor/tutindex.htm
Non-Programmers Tutorial (J. Cogliati)
http://www.honors.montana.edu/~jjc/easytut/easytut/
How to Think Like a Computer Scientist (Java and C++ versions
by original author A. Downey; and Python version by J. Elkner)
http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCS.html
As far as books are concerned, Learn to Program Using Python
is an extension of Alan Gauld's tutorial, and Ivan's Teach
Yourself Python in 24 Hours are both targeted towards pro-
gramming newbies. These books will teach you how to program
*using* Python. (anyone have feedback on these BTW?)
Once you know how to program, then Core Python can perhaps
give you much more insight on *Python* programming. You will
probably get a lot out of the Web Programming chapter
in particular.
Hope this helps!
-wesley
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