From jim at ibang.com Sun Jul 1 19:36:00 2012 From: jim at ibang.com (Jim Allman) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 13:36:00 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Sage notebook and new IPython Message-ID: In this week's after-meeting, we talked about interactive stats and math tools in Python. I mentioned the SAGE project, which is an open-source alterative to Magma / Maple / Mathematica / Matlab: http://www.sagemath.org/ Sage is a funky, through-the-web console that uses Python to drive lots of math software. Note that there's a public server so you can easily take it for a spin: http://www.sagenb.org/ I didn't realize this, but IPython also has a "notebook" UI with inline graphing. In fact, they just released a new version (0.13) with big improvements in this area: http://ipython.org/ipython-doc/rel-0.13/whatsnew/version0.13.html =jimA= Jim Allman Interrobang Digital Media http://www.ibang.com/ (919) 649-5760 From ironfroggy at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 17:19:32 2012 From: ironfroggy at gmail.com (Calvin Spealman) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:19:32 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] July Project Night! Message-ID: The next Project Night is THIS WEEK, at 6PM on Wednesday July 11th. This is a great opportunity to get in on some Julython (http://julython.org/) points, so show up and crank out some commits! Have a project you want to show off, share, seek help with, or just get some work done surrounded my like minded python lovers? Join us for our first monthly hack night and do just that! Don't have something to work on? Show up and enjoy the energy, sprint on an open source project, find something interesting to contribute to or be inspired by! The setting is informal and there is no schedule, so don't worry if you show up past the start time. Can we meet or break our previous record for project night attendees? Show up and help us hit that number and enjoy the FREE FOOD. From ironfroggy at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 21:00:46 2012 From: ironfroggy at gmail.com (Calvin Spealman) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:00:46 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] July Project Night! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You'll probably want to know WHERE and I was neglectful enough to not even include that in the original message. Project Night is held at the Caktus Group offices: 209 Lloyd St #110 Carrboor, NC 23110 On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > The next Project Night is THIS WEEK, at 6PM on Wednesday July 11th. > > This is a great opportunity to get in on some Julython > (http://julython.org/) points, so show up and crank out some commits! > > Have a project you want to show off, share, seek help with, or just > get some work done surrounded my like minded python lovers? Join us > for our first monthly hack night and do just that! Don't have > something to work on? Show up and enjoy the energy, sprint on an open > source project, find something interesting to contribute to or be > inspired by! > > The setting is informal and there is no schedule, so don't worry if > you show up past the start time. > > Can we meet or break our previous record for project night attendees? > Show up and help us hit that number and enjoy the FREE FOOD. -- Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy From cbc at unc.edu Mon Jul 9 21:04:45 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:04:45 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Fwd: TriLUG July 12 meeting - OpenShift - Please announce to your members In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FFB2B4D.8060401@unc.edu> The TriLUG Steering Committee thinks this is of interest to you. I don't know what it has to do with Python. But I trust they do. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: TriLUG July 12 meeting - OpenShift - Please announce to your members Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 18:46:15 -0400 From: Jeremy Davis To: CC: TriLUG Steering Committee TriZPUG, This topic may be relevant to members of your group. Please pass it along. Topic: OpenShift Presenter: Wesley Hearn When: Thursday, July 12, 7pm Where: Red Hat HQ, NCSU Centennial Campus, 1801 Varsity Dr, Raleigh, NC Map: Google Maps Wesley Hearn will be presenting OpenShift, a cloud computing platform as a service product from Red Hat. Synopsis: Wesley Hearn will be going over what Cloud computing is and where OpenShift is inside the Cloud stack. After everyone has a grasp on Cloud computing, he will go over how OpenShift differs from OpenShift Origin. Then it is on to the semi-fun stuff, the different components of OpenShift Origin and how they work together. Once Wesley has gone over all of this, he will show you how to set up and deploy a local install(he will be doing it in KVM) so you can develop and test your application before you push it to OpenShift. http://trilug.org/2012-07-12/openshift https://openshift.redhat.com/app/ Best regards, Jeremy Davis TriLUG PR From ironfroggy at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 02:04:08 2012 From: ironfroggy at gmail.com (Calvin Spealman) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 20:04:08 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Fwd: TriLUG July 12 meeting - OpenShift - Please announce to your members In-Reply-To: <4FFB2B4D.8060401@unc.edu> References: <4FFB2B4D.8060401@unc.edu> Message-ID: This seems interesting. There is some interest at Caktus in attending. Can anyone confirm if they plan attend? It would be nice to know if there will be some familiar faces and a good Python presence there. The more of us attend the better questions someone is likely to come up with. On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: > The TriLUG Steering Committee thinks this is of interest to you. I don't > know what it has to do with Python. But I trust they do. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: TriLUG July 12 meeting - OpenShift - Please announce to your > members > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 18:46:15 -0400 > From: Jeremy Davis > To: > CC: TriLUG Steering Committee > > TriZPUG, > > This topic may be relevant to members of your group. Please pass it along. > > Topic: OpenShift > Presenter: Wesley Hearn > When: Thursday, July 12, 7pm > Where: Red Hat HQ, NCSU Centennial Campus, 1801 Varsity Dr, Raleigh, NC > Map: Google Maps > > Wesley Hearn will be presenting OpenShift, a cloud computing platform > as a service product from Red Hat. > > Synopsis: > Wesley Hearn will be going over what Cloud computing is and where > OpenShift is inside the Cloud stack. After everyone has a grasp on > Cloud computing, he will go over how OpenShift differs from OpenShift > Origin. Then it is on to the semi-fun stuff, the different components > of OpenShift Origin and how they work together. Once Wesley has gone > over all of this, he will show you how to set up and deploy a local > install(he will be doing it in KVM) so you can develop and test your > application before you push it to OpenShift. > > http://trilug.org/2012-07-12/openshift > https://openshift.redhat.com/app/ > > Best regards, > > Jeremy Davis > TriLUG PR > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group -- Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy From dragonstrider at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 05:40:49 2012 From: dragonstrider at gmail.com (Joseph S. Tate) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 23:40:49 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Fwd: TriLUG July 12 meeting - OpenShift - Please announce to your members In-Reply-To: References: <4FFB2B4D.8060401@unc.edu> Message-ID: I'm planning on being there. On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > This seems interesting. There is some interest at Caktus in attending. > Can anyone confirm if they plan attend? It would be nice to know if > there will be some familiar faces and a good Python presence there. > The more of us attend the better questions someone is likely to come > up with. > > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: >> The TriLUG Steering Committee thinks this is of interest to you. I don't >> know what it has to do with Python. But I trust they do. >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: TriLUG July 12 meeting - OpenShift - Please announce to your >> members >> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 18:46:15 -0400 >> From: Jeremy Davis >> To: >> CC: TriLUG Steering Committee >> >> TriZPUG, >> >> This topic may be relevant to members of your group. Please pass it along. >> >> Topic: OpenShift >> Presenter: Wesley Hearn >> When: Thursday, July 12, 7pm >> Where: Red Hat HQ, NCSU Centennial Campus, 1801 Varsity Dr, Raleigh, NC >> Map: Google Maps >> >> Wesley Hearn will be presenting OpenShift, a cloud computing platform >> as a service product from Red Hat. >> >> Synopsis: >> Wesley Hearn will be going over what Cloud computing is and where >> OpenShift is inside the Cloud stack. After everyone has a grasp on >> Cloud computing, he will go over how OpenShift differs from OpenShift >> Origin. Then it is on to the semi-fun stuff, the different components >> of OpenShift Origin and how they work together. Once Wesley has gone >> over all of this, he will show you how to set up and deploy a local >> install(he will be doing it in KVM) so you can develop and test your >> application before you push it to OpenShift. >> >> http://trilug.org/2012-07-12/openshift >> https://openshift.redhat.com/app/ >> >> Best regards, >> >> Jeremy Davis >> TriLUG PR >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > -- > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group -- Joseph Tate Personal e-mail: jtate AT dragonstrider DOT com Web: http://www.dragonstrider.com From randy at electronsweatshop.com Tue Jul 10 18:32:58 2012 From: randy at electronsweatshop.com (Randy Barlow) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:32:58 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Software Engineering Jobs Message-ID: <4FFC593A.7050407@electronsweatshop.com> Hello TriZPUG! My employer (MetaMetrics, Inc.) is hiring for three software engineering positions[0]. MetaMetrics is an education R&D company. We have developed some great products in the educational space, and we are poised continue to be very successful in our market. As a company, we do a lot of work related to text complexity analysis, and also student ability estimation. It's a great company, with a significant mission. Two of the positions are in my group (Software Engineer and Web Developer), so I will describe those positions more, but we also have a Software Engineering position in a different engineering group (they use Java) that you can read about on our site. We are a close knit team of 11 engineers. We have a lot fun at work, and often hang out outside of the office. We have a well developed Scrum process, and we do a lot of fun and challenging projects. We do most of our work in Python, and we typically use Django for our web projects. Software Engineer: While Python is officially required, we will consider applicants who have strong experience in other object oriented languages. If you are a highly experienced software engineer in a different language and you happen to like Python, I'd encourage you to apply. Web Developer: We are also looking for an experienced web developer. We use Django and Python for our web products. Experience with Django and Python is nice but not required. We are looking for people with strong JavaScript and UI design design skills. If you are interested, you can send me your resume directly (off list please), or you can e-mail resumes at lexile.com. [0] http://www.metametricsinc.com/job-openings/ -- Randy Barlow -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is a great > opportunity to learn some great technology with a real-world product that?s > in use today by companies such as Samsung. > > Respectfully, I'd like to encourage any young readers considering this opportunity to consider the following: An internship is an educational opportunity. They are often arranged through colleges or universities and interns often receive class credit for participating. Barring formal ties to an institution of higher learning, an internship aimed at adult post-graduates should at least provide an opportunity to learn skills one doesn't already have. An internship tends also to be time limited--for a summer, for a few months. Here's what Wikipedia says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internship Although the original poster stays within the letter of the law (you'd be making more than minimum wage), this particular opportunity, in my opinion, doesn't meet the standard of an internship. Applicants are required to already be qualified for the position with both education and experience and are expected to work full time for a more or less open ended period of time. That is the definition of a job. Not an internship. The required qualifications make it difficult to regard this as an educational opportunity, as you'd need to already know how to do the job. The word internship seems to be used in this case to justify paying a wage that is below fair market value even for an entry level position. Assuming you have the qualifications enumerated by the original poster, you're probably ready for a real entry level job, not an internship, and should expect commensurate compensation. Just my 2 cents, Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: +1 any job saying the word 'intern' and 'experience' in the same breath is fishy. We have 6 interns in my building and we just required them to be in school (5 of them go to NC State). The idea is you train smart 'kids' that are in a technical degree (compsci, compeng, etc) and you only have to pay them minimally in return for education. I agree 100% Here is a great article I read the other day on startups too, for those who are in University looking at startups-> http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/dont-waste-your-time-in-crappy-startup-jobs/ (this is obviously biased and there good startups out there, just wanted another viewpoint sent out) Also just FYI, the minimum per year salary for my graduating class with a BS in computer engineering was 54K (in 2009) with ~35 people and 1 got as high as 65K, and the market is not that bad for developers/engineers that you should be going below that for an 'intern' job (i have no idea what that particular job was paying). Work with your University to figure out average salaries out of Universities before you accept the first job offer that comes your way. -S On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Chris Rossi wrote: > On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Robby Dermody wrote: > >> We?re a local company looking for a web developer intern to work on our >> flagship product, AppTend . AppTend allows >> companies to better support their smartphone and tablet-based users, and >> enables them to get customer support without having to dial into a clumsy >> phone tree interface (?press 1 for sales, press 2 for service?). Learn more >> about several cutting edge areas of technology, including Django, mobile >> web/mobile app development, HTML 5 and MongoDB. This is a great >> opportunity to learn some great technology with a real-world product that?s >> in use today by companies such as Samsung. >> >> > Respectfully, I'd like to encourage any young readers considering this > opportunity to consider the following: > > An internship is an educational opportunity. They are often arranged > through colleges or universities and interns often receive class credit for > participating. Barring formal ties to an institution of higher learning, > an internship aimed at adult post-graduates should at least provide an > opportunity to learn skills one doesn't already have. An internship tends > also to be time limited--for a summer, for a few months. Here's what > Wikipedia says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internship > > Although the original poster stays within the letter of the law (you'd be > making more than minimum wage), this particular opportunity, in my opinion, > doesn't meet the standard of an internship. Applicants are required to > already be qualified for the position with both education and experience > and are expected to work full time for a more or less open ended period of > time. That is the definition of a job. Not an internship. The required > qualifications make it difficult to regard this as an educational > opportunity, as you'd need to already know how to do the job. The word > internship seems to be used in this case to justify paying a wage that is > below fair market value even for an entry level position. Assuming you > have the qualifications enumerated by the original poster, you're probably > ready for a real entry level job, not an internship, and should expect > commensurate compensation. > > Just my 2 cents, > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at windsorcircle.com Tue Jul 10 23:27:26 2012 From: chris at windsorcircle.com (Chris H) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:27:26 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Intern Web Developer needed - Python, Django, MongoDB, Mobile In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: I agree with much of what has been said about interns as I consider the only experience required for an intern is an introductory programming course (preferably python). However, I think the article is from someone who made mistakes in their selection process of which startups to work for, probably due to not having some of the information that the article shares. I know there are a lot of bad startups out their who create this impression, but there are a lot of good startups as well. For some people, it is really how they are built. I love the energy in a startup's early stages, the excitement of hitting new milestones every month (or week), and building something new without a history to deal with. There are risks and you should go into a startup knowing those risks. If your only goal is to make sure you are paid at a certain level, then corporate America is probably the place for you. If you care more about the challenge an creating something new and just need a certain salary to fund your lifestyle, then maybe you would like a startup culture. I'm in my second startup now. The first was venture funded and I came in at a low salary as one of their first software developers. I stayed for 15 years and was well taken care of by the time it exited by being purchased by a public company. I stayed with the public company for a few years and hated it. Maybe it was just a bad division of a large company to work for like some startups, but I'll take a pay cut any day over that again. I do know people who work at large companies and love it as well so it really depends on the person and what drives them. The key is to make sure you know as much as possible about the situation you are getting into and then get out if it isn't working. Definitely work with your university to figure out expected salary ranges. C On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > +1 > > any job saying the word 'intern' and 'experience' in the same breath is > fishy. We have 6 interns in my building and we just required them to be in > school (5 of them go to NC State). The idea is you train smart 'kids' that > are in a technical degree (compsci, compeng, etc) and you only have to pay > them minimally in return for education. I agree 100% > > Here is a great article I read the other day on startups too, for those > who are in University looking at startups-> > > http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/dont-waste-your-time-in-crappy-startup-jobs/ > (this is obviously biased and there good startups out there, just wanted > another viewpoint sent out) > > Also just FYI, the minimum per year salary for my graduating class with a > BS in computer engineering was 54K (in 2009) with ~35 people and 1 got as > high as 65K, and the market is not that bad for developers/engineers that > you should be going below that for an 'intern' job (i have no idea what > that particular job was paying). Work with your University to figure out > average salaries out of Universities before you accept the first job offer > that comes your way. > > -S > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Chris Rossi wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Robby Dermody >> wrote: >> >>> We?re a local company looking for a web developer intern to work on our >>> flagship product, AppTend . AppTend allows >>> companies to better support their smartphone and tablet-based users, and >>> enables them to get customer support without having to dial into a clumsy >>> phone tree interface (?press 1 for sales, press 2 for service?). Learn more >>> about several cutting edge areas of technology, including Django, >>> mobile web/mobile app development, HTML 5 and MongoDB. This is a great >>> opportunity to learn some great technology with a real-world product that?s >>> in use today by companies such as Samsung. >>> >>> >> Respectfully, I'd like to encourage any young readers considering this >> opportunity to consider the following: >> >> An internship is an educational opportunity. They are often arranged >> through colleges or universities and interns often receive class credit for >> participating. Barring formal ties to an institution of higher learning, >> an internship aimed at adult post-graduates should at least provide an >> opportunity to learn skills one doesn't already have. An internship tends >> also to be time limited--for a summer, for a few months. Here's what >> Wikipedia says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internship >> >> Although the original poster stays within the letter of the law (you'd be >> making more than minimum wage), this particular opportunity, in my opinion, >> doesn't meet the standard of an internship. Applicants are required to >> already be qualified for the position with both education and experience >> and are expected to work full time for a more or less open ended period of >> time. That is the definition of a job. Not an internship. The required >> qualifications make it difficult to regard this as an educational >> opportunity, as you'd need to already know how to do the job. The word >> internship seems to be used in this case to justify paying a wage that is >> below fair market value even for an entry level position. Assuming you >> have the qualifications enumerated by the original poster, you're probably >> ready for a real entry level job, not an internship, and should expect >> commensurate compensation. >> >> Just my 2 cents, >> Chris >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robby at u20.org Wed Jul 11 17:32:59 2012 From: robby at u20.org (Robby Dermody) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:32:59 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Intern Web Developer needed - Python, Django, MongoDB, Mobile In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Hi guys, thanks for your feedback. I've been travelling so I haven't been able to repond until now. What I laid out in the job description I believe is reasonable. We are not requiring any Python or Django experience, nor any experience with Cisco/Avaya contact center technologies (both of which will be the primary focus of this position and which we will train the intern on). I believe requiring SOME sort of experience (i.e. working with some kind of web framework -- even if it is in college) and some kind of programming experience is definitely necessary. We simply can't train up from nothing. It's counterproductive and unnecessary given the pool of folks out there that have tech experience but are looking to "trade up" or learn something new. I understand that there are quite a few orgranizations that will bring on lower-paid people like this and try to keep them at these rates. I totally agree that this practice is abusive. We are not like that. Between my business partner and I, we have personally taken at least 5 people that we started at $15 or so an hour, trained them for 6 months to a year, and either brought them up to a 80K+ salary, or helped them get a job in the industry making between 80K-140K/yr. During this 6 month period we will give 25-50% pay raises every 2 months if the individual is working out (otherwise they will be free to find a job somewhere else). My friend was a pool cleaner making $14/hr. 6 months after he started working with us, we placed him in a job at a large integrator making 85K + bonus. He still works there today. This is how we work. We give people an opporunity to learn new valuable skills, and in return we get cheap(er) work for a few months as we train and teach them the trade. We are currently doing this with 3 folks at this time, beyond the 5+ we have already done this with. I'd rather find someone with a minimum skill set but raw smarts, and train them up and keep them. I put those "requirements/preferences" in because quite often we find someone mid point in their career that is willing to work for less to pick up new and valuable technology and have a chance for some real advancement. So to conclude, I respect your opinion, but I believe that you simply can't argue with results and a track record in this regard. Robby On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Chris H wrote: > I agree with much of what has been said about interns as I consider the > only experience required for an intern is an introductory programming > course (preferably python). > > However, I think the article is from someone who made mistakes in their > selection process of which startups to work for, probably due to not having > some of the information that the article shares. I know there are a lot of > bad startups out their who create this impression, but there are a lot of > good startups as well. For some people, it is really how they are built. > I love the energy in a startup's early stages, the excitement of hitting > new milestones every month (or week), and building something new without a > history to deal with. There are risks and you should go into a startup > knowing those risks. If your only goal is to make sure you are paid at a > certain level, then corporate America is probably the place for you. If > you care more about the challenge an creating something new and just need a > certain salary to fund your lifestyle, then maybe you would like a startup > culture. I'm in my second startup now. The first was venture funded and I > came in at a low salary as one of their first software developers. I > stayed for 15 years and was well taken care of by the time it exited by > being purchased by a public company. I stayed with the public company for > a few years and hated it. Maybe it was just a bad division of a large > company to work for like some startups, but I'll take a pay cut any day > over that again. I do know people who work at large companies and love it > as well so it really depends on the person and what drives them. The key > is to make sure you know as much as possible about the situation you are > getting into and then get out if it isn't working. > > Definitely work with your university to figure out expected salary ranges. > > > C > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > >> +1 >> >> any job saying the word 'intern' and 'experience' in the same breath is >> fishy. We have 6 interns in my building and we just required them to be in >> school (5 of them go to NC State). The idea is you train smart 'kids' that >> are in a technical degree (compsci, compeng, etc) and you only have to pay >> them minimally in return for education. I agree 100% >> >> Here is a great article I read the other day on startups too, for those >> who are in University looking at startups-> >> >> http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/dont-waste-your-time-in-crappy-startup-jobs/ >> (this is obviously biased and there good startups out there, just wanted >> another viewpoint sent out) >> >> Also just FYI, the minimum per year salary for my graduating class with a >> BS in computer engineering was 54K (in 2009) with ~35 people and 1 got as >> high as 65K, and the market is not that bad for developers/engineers that >> you should be going below that for an 'intern' job (i have no idea what >> that particular job was paying). Work with your University to figure out >> average salaries out of Universities before you accept the first job offer >> that comes your way. >> >> -S >> >> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Chris Rossi wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Robby Dermody >>> wrote: >>> >>>> We?re a local company looking for a web developer intern to work on our >>>> flagship product, AppTend . AppTend allows >>>> companies to better support their smartphone and tablet-based users, and >>>> enables them to get customer support without having to dial into a clumsy >>>> phone tree interface (?press 1 for sales, press 2 for service?). Learn more >>>> about several cutting edge areas of technology, including Django, >>>> mobile web/mobile app development, HTML 5 and MongoDB. This is a great >>>> opportunity to learn some great technology with a real-world product that?s >>>> in use today by companies such as Samsung. >>>> >>>> >>> Respectfully, I'd like to encourage any young readers considering this >>> opportunity to consider the following: >>> >>> An internship is an educational opportunity. They are often arranged >>> through colleges or universities and interns often receive class credit for >>> participating. Barring formal ties to an institution of higher learning, >>> an internship aimed at adult post-graduates should at least provide an >>> opportunity to learn skills one doesn't already have. An internship tends >>> also to be time limited--for a summer, for a few months. Here's what >>> Wikipedia says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internship >>> >>> Although the original poster stays within the letter of the law (you'd >>> be making more than minimum wage), this particular opportunity, in my >>> opinion, doesn't meet the standard of an internship. Applicants are >>> required to already be qualified for the position with both education and >>> experience and are expected to work full time for a more or less open ended >>> period of time. That is the definition of a job. Not an internship. The >>> required qualifications make it difficult to regard this as an educational >>> opportunity, as you'd need to already know how to do the job. The word >>> internship seems to be used in this case to justify paying a wage that is >>> below fair market value even for an entry level position. Assuming you >>> have the qualifications enumerated by the original poster, you're probably >>> ready for a real entry level job, not an internship, and should expect >>> commensurate compensation. >>> >>> Just my 2 cents, >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TriZPUG mailing list >>> TriZPUG at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Hey Robby, I don't think anyone was totally against it, we just wanted prospective applicants to get different view points on what an 'internship' is. I think if you had used the word 'entry level' or something no one would have said anything. I think as soon as someone interviewed with you and you talked about some of the stuff you said in your response they could make their own choice. Personally I think it looks like you have a good program going on and once you explained your program it seems pretty cool and if I had friends with that background I would encourage them to check it out. Personally I wish I had an easy time hiring people with some talent instead of nothing, I often find that we have to hire someone and retrain them entirely, or train them on whatever we are doing specifically at the time. -S On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Robby Dermody wrote: > Hi guys, thanks for your feedback. I've been travelling so I haven't been > able to repond until now. > > What I laid out in the job description I believe is reasonable. We are not > requiring any Python or Django experience, nor any experience with > Cisco/Avaya contact center technologies (both of which will be the primary > focus of this position and which we will train the intern on). I believe > requiring SOME sort of experience (i.e. working with some kind of web > framework -- even if it is in college) and some kind of programming > experience is definitely necessary. We simply can't train up from nothing. > It's counterproductive and unnecessary given the pool of folks out there > that have tech experience but are looking to "trade up" or learn something > new. > I understand that there are quite a few orgranizations that will bring on > lower-paid people like this and try to keep them at these rates. I totally > agree that this practice is abusive. We are not like that. Between my > business partner and I, we have personally taken at least 5 people that we > started at $15 or so an hour, trained them for 6 months to a year, and > either brought them up to a 80K+ salary, or helped them get a job in the > industry making between 80K-140K/yr. During this 6 month period we will > give 25-50% pay raises every 2 months if the individual is working out > (otherwise they will be free to find a job somewhere else). My friend was a > pool cleaner making $14/hr. 6 months after he started working with us, we > placed him in a job at a large integrator making 85K + bonus. He still > works there today. This is how we work. We give people an opporunity to > learn new valuable skills, and in return we get cheap(er) work for a few > months as we train and teach them the trade. We are currently doing this > with 3 folks at this time, beyond the 5+ we have already done this with. > > I'd rather find someone with a minimum skill set but raw smarts, and train > them up and keep them. I put those "requirements/preferences" in because > quite often we find someone mid point in their career that is willing to > work for less to pick up new and valuable technology and have a chance for > some real advancement. > > So to conclude, I respect your opinion, but I believe that you simply > can't argue with results and a track record in this regard. > > Robby > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Chris H wrote: > >> I agree with much of what has been said about interns as I consider the >> only experience required for an intern is an introductory programming >> course (preferably python). >> >> However, I think the article is from someone who made mistakes in their >> selection process of which startups to work for, probably due to not having >> some of the information that the article shares. I know there are a lot of >> bad startups out their who create this impression, but there are a lot of >> good startups as well. For some people, it is really how they are built. >> I love the energy in a startup's early stages, the excitement of hitting >> new milestones every month (or week), and building something new without a >> history to deal with. There are risks and you should go into a startup >> knowing those risks. If your only goal is to make sure you are paid at a >> certain level, then corporate America is probably the place for you. If >> you care more about the challenge an creating something new and just need a >> certain salary to fund your lifestyle, then maybe you would like a startup >> culture. I'm in my second startup now. The first was venture funded and I >> came in at a low salary as one of their first software developers. I >> stayed for 15 years and was well taken care of by the time it exited by >> being purchased by a public company. I stayed with the public company for >> a few years and hated it. Maybe it was just a bad division of a large >> company to work for like some startups, but I'll take a pay cut any day >> over that again. I do know people who work at large companies and love it >> as well so it really depends on the person and what drives them. The key >> is to make sure you know as much as possible about the situation you are >> getting into and then get out if it isn't working. >> >> Definitely work with your university to figure out expected salary >> ranges. >> >> C >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> any job saying the word 'intern' and 'experience' in the same breath is >>> fishy. We have 6 interns in my building and we just required them to be in >>> school (5 of them go to NC State). The idea is you train smart 'kids' that >>> are in a technical degree (compsci, compeng, etc) and you only have to pay >>> them minimally in return for education. I agree 100% >>> >>> Here is a great article I read the other day on startups too, for those >>> who are in University looking at startups-> >>> >>> http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/dont-waste-your-time-in-crappy-startup-jobs/ >>> (this is obviously biased and there good startups out there, just wanted >>> another viewpoint sent out) >>> >>> Also just FYI, the minimum per year salary for my graduating class with >>> a BS in computer engineering was 54K (in 2009) with ~35 people and 1 got as >>> high as 65K, and the market is not that bad for developers/engineers that >>> you should be going below that for an 'intern' job (i have no idea what >>> that particular job was paying). Work with your University to figure out >>> average salaries out of Universities before you accept the first job offer >>> that comes your way. >>> >>> -S >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Chris Rossi wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Robby Dermody >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> We?re a local company looking for a web developer intern to work on >>>>> our flagship product, AppTend . AppTend >>>>> allows companies to better support their smartphone and tablet-based users, >>>>> and enables them to get customer support without having to dial into a >>>>> clumsy phone tree interface (?press 1 for sales, press 2 for service?). >>>>> Learn more about several cutting edge areas of technology, including Django, >>>>> mobile web/mobile app development, HTML 5 and MongoDB. This is a >>>>> great opportunity to learn some great technology with a real-world product >>>>> that?s in use today by companies such as Samsung. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Respectfully, I'd like to encourage any young readers considering this >>>> opportunity to consider the following: >>>> >>>> An internship is an educational opportunity. They are often arranged >>>> through colleges or universities and interns often receive class credit for >>>> participating. Barring formal ties to an institution of higher learning, >>>> an internship aimed at adult post-graduates should at least provide an >>>> opportunity to learn skills one doesn't already have. An internship tends >>>> also to be time limited--for a summer, for a few months. Here's what >>>> Wikipedia says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internship >>>> >>>> Although the original poster stays within the letter of the law (you'd >>>> be making more than minimum wage), this particular opportunity, in my >>>> opinion, doesn't meet the standard of an internship. Applicants are >>>> required to already be qualified for the position with both education and >>>> experience and are expected to work full time for a more or less open ended >>>> period of time. That is the definition of a job. Not an internship. The >>>> required qualifications make it difficult to regard this as an educational >>>> opportunity, as you'd need to already know how to do the job. The word >>>> internship seems to be used in this case to justify paying a wage that is >>>> below fair market value even for an entry level position. Assuming you >>>> have the qualifications enumerated by the original poster, you're probably >>>> ready for a real entry level job, not an internship, and should expect >>>> commensurate compensation. >>>> >>>> Just my 2 cents, >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TriZPUG mailing list >>>> TriZPUG at python.org >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TriZPUG mailing list >>> TriZPUG at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From magnus at yonderway.com Wed Jul 11 22:56:16 2012 From: magnus at yonderway.com (Magnus) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:56:16 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Intern Web Developer needed - Python, Django, MongoDB, Mobile In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <99DBAD99-4E66-4BEA-974D-D9A144F94EBC@yonderway.com> I had something to do with Robby's own internship so I've been interested in seeing how this develops. :) -M On Jul 11, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > Hey Robby, > > I don't think anyone was totally against it, we just wanted prospective applicants to get different view points on what an 'internship' is. I think if you had used the word 'entry level' or something no one would have said anything. I think as soon as someone interviewed with you and you talked about some of the stuff you said in your response they could make their own choice. Personally I think it looks like you have a good program going on and once you explained your program it seems pretty cool and if I had friends with that background I would encourage them to check it out. > > Personally I wish I had an easy time hiring people with some talent instead of nothing, I often find that we have to hire someone and retrain them entirely, or train them on whatever we are doing specifically at the time. > > -S > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Robby Dermody wrote: > Hi guys, thanks for your feedback. I've been travelling so I haven't been able to repond until now. > > What I laid out in the job description I believe is reasonable. We are not requiring any Python or Django experience, nor any experience with Cisco/Avaya contact center technologies (both of which will be the primary focus of this position and which we will train the intern on). I believe requiring SOME sort of experience (i.e. working with some kind of web framework -- even if it is in college) and some kind of programming experience is definitely necessary. We simply can't train up from nothing. It's counterproductive and unnecessary given the pool of folks out there that have tech experience but are looking to "trade up" or learn something new. > I understand that there are quite a few orgranizations that will bring on lower-paid people like this and try to keep them at these rates. I totally agree that this practice is abusive. We are not like that. Between my business partner and I, we have personally taken at least 5 people that we started at $15 or so an hour, trained them for 6 months to a year, and either brought them up to a 80K+ salary, or helped them get a job in the industry making between 80K-140K/yr. During this 6 month period we will give 25-50% pay raises every 2 months if the individual is working out (otherwise they will be free to find a job somewhere else). My friend was a pool cleaner making $14/hr. 6 months after he started working with us, we placed him in a job at a large integrator making 85K + bonus. He still works there today. This is how we work. We give people an opporunity to learn new valuable skills, and in return we get cheap(er) work for a few months as we train and teach them the trade. We are currently doing this with 3 folks at this time, beyond the 5+ we have already done this with. > > I'd rather find someone with a minimum skill set but raw smarts, and train them up and keep them. I put those "requirements/preferences" in because quite often we find someone mid point in their career that is willing to work for less to pick up new and valuable technology and have a chance for some real advancement. > > So to conclude, I respect your opinion, but I believe that you simply can't argue with results and a track record in this regard. > > Robby > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Chris H wrote: > I agree with much of what has been said about interns as I consider the only experience required for an intern is an introductory programming course (preferably python). > > However, I think the article is from someone who made mistakes in their selection process of which startups to work for, probably due to not having some of the information that the article shares. I know there are a lot of bad startups out their who create this impression, but there are a lot of good startups as well. For some people, it is really how they are built. I love the energy in a startup's early stages, the excitement of hitting new milestones every month (or week), and building something new without a history to deal with. There are risks and you should go into a startup knowing those risks. If your only goal is to make sure you are paid at a certain level, then corporate America is probably the place for you. If you care more about the challenge an creating something new and just need a certain salary to fund your lifestyle, then maybe you would like a startup culture. I'm in my second startup now. The first was venture funded and I came in at a low salary as one of their first software developers. I stayed for 15 years and was well taken care of by the time it exited by being purchased by a public company. I stayed with the public company for a few years and hated it. Maybe it was just a bad division of a large company to work for like some startups, but I'll take a pay cut any day over that again. I do know people who work at large companies and love it as well so it really depends on the person and what drives them. The key is to make sure you know as much as possible about the situation you are getting into and then get out if it isn't working. > > Definitely work with your university to figure out expected salary ranges. > > C > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > +1 > > any job saying the word 'intern' and 'experience' in the same breath is fishy. We have 6 interns in my building and we just required them to be in school (5 of them go to NC State). The idea is you train smart 'kids' that are in a technical degree (compsci, compeng, etc) and you only have to pay them minimally in return for education. I agree 100% > > Here is a great article I read the other day on startups too, for those who are in University looking at startups-> > http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/dont-waste-your-time-in-crappy-startup-jobs/ > (this is obviously biased and there good startups out there, just wanted another viewpoint sent out) > > Also just FYI, the minimum per year salary for my graduating class with a BS in computer engineering was 54K (in 2009) with ~35 people and 1 got as high as 65K, and the market is not that bad for developers/engineers that you should be going below that for an 'intern' job (i have no idea what that particular job was paying). Work with your University to figure out average salaries out of Universities before you accept the first job offer that comes your way. > > -S > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Chris Rossi wrote: > On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Robby Dermody wrote: > We?re a local company looking for a web developer intern to work on our flagship product, AppTend. AppTend allows companies to better support their smartphone and tablet-based users, and enables them to get customer support without having to dial into a clumsy phone tree interface (?press 1 for sales, press 2 for service?). Learn more about several cutting edge areas of technology, including Django, mobile web/mobile app development, HTML 5 and MongoDB. This is a great opportunity to learn some great technology with a real-world product that?s in use today by companies such as Samsung. > > > Respectfully, I'd like to encourage any young readers considering this opportunity to consider the following: > > An internship is an educational opportunity. They are often arranged through colleges or universities and interns often receive class credit for participating. Barring formal ties to an institution of higher learning, an internship aimed at adult post-graduates should at least provide an opportunity to learn skills one doesn't already have. An internship tends also to be time limited--for a summer, for a few months. Here's what Wikipedia says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internship > > Although the original poster stays within the letter of the law (you'd be making more than minimum wage), this particular opportunity, in my opinion, doesn't meet the standard of an internship. Applicants are required to already be qualified for the position with both education and experience and are expected to work full time for a more or less open ended period of time. That is the definition of a job. Not an internship. The required qualifications make it difficult to regard this as an educational opportunity, as you'd need to already know how to do the job. The word internship seems to be used in this case to justify paying a wage that is below fair market value even for an entry level position. Assuming you have the qualifications enumerated by the original poster, you're probably ready for a real entry level job, not an internship, and should expect commensurate compensation. > > Just my 2 cents, > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There's plenty of parking at Caktus and we can walk to nearby after-meeting watering holes. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From cbc at unc.edu Fri Jul 13 21:05:07 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:05:07 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Get Python Brochure Ad Opportunity Message-ID: <50007163.5080408@unc.edu> I'll just put his here: http://brochure.getpython.info/ -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From jefferson.r.heard at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 21:28:16 2012 From: jefferson.r.heard at gmail.com (Jeff Heard) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:28:16 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] To the guy at project night who was working on Celery Message-ID: I figured it out. It's a confusion in the documentation about setup. By default, the queue that tasks are pushed to is called "celery", not "default". So when you start celeryd, your -Q argument should be "celery" and that should take care of pulling tasks off the queue. What was effectively happening to you, and to me all day today was that you were pushing messages to one message queue and pulling them off another. Change that and you should be working... Hope this reaches the right person, -- Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbc at unc.edu Tue Jul 24 16:55:53 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:55:53 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Reminder: TriZPUG July 2012 Meeting: You Are The Meeting In-Reply-To: <4FFE19DA.4090901@unc.edu> References: <4FFE19DA.4090901@unc.edu> Message-ID: <500EB779.8090607@unc.edu> The meeting is *this* Thursday. See you there! On 7/11/2012 8:27 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: > Next TriZPUG Meeting: Thursday, July 26, 7pm at Caktus Consulting Group, > 209 Lloyd St., Suite 110, Carrboro. > > To announce a talk for this meeting, send an email with your topic to > the TriZPUG email list. If you are giving a talk at PyCarolinas, this > would be a really good opportunity to practice that talk. As always, > spontaneous lightning talks of ten minutes or less on other topics are > also welcome. Anything you've learned about Python, no matter how > trivial, can be a lightning talk. There's plenty of parking at Caktus > and we can walk to nearby after-meeting watering holes. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From ironfroggy at gmail.com Wed Jul 25 12:56:14 2012 From: ironfroggy at gmail.com (Calvin Spealman) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:56:14 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? Message-ID: Via the Bocoup site I just found the "Boston Built" campaign, which promotes the visibility of Boston as a great place for web developers. I'm now wondering if we could see a similar promotion for the triangle area. Anyone think this could be a good idea? http://bostonbuilt.org/ -- Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy From eric.leary at gmail.com Wed Jul 25 16:05:11 2012 From: eric.leary at gmail.com (Eric Leary) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:05:11 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Absolutely. Toward that end, I wonder if such a campaign might be seeded at the Raleigh Sparkcon 2012. Maybe a booth to solicit interest. Eric On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > Via the Bocoup site I just found the "Boston Built" campaign, which > promotes the visibility of Boston as a great place for web developers. > I'm now wondering if we could see a similar promotion for the triangle > area. Anyone think this could be a good idea? > > http://bostonbuilt.org/ > > -- > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -- Science is the establishment of expectations. Art is the manipulation of expectations. Justice is the fulfillment of expectations. 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Triangle Built? (Calvin Spealman) > 2. Re: Triangle Built? (Eric Leary) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:56:14 -0400 > From: Calvin Spealman > To: "Triangle (North Carolina) Zope and Python Users Group" > > Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? > Message-ID: > 39YfQy3aWiCaeY6DkSw at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Via the Bocoup site I just found the "Boston Built" campaign, which > promotes the visibility of Boston as a great place for web developers. > I'm now wondering if we could see a similar promotion for the triangle > area. Anyone think this could be a good idea? > > http://bostonbuilt.org/ > > -- > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:05:11 -0400 > From: Eric Leary > To: ironfroggy at gmail.com, "Triangle (North Carolina) Zope and Python > Users Group" > Subject: Re: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? > Message-ID: > < > CABWRpxAJ91v8yHw5syjP0ary5SxTQt4J_YrU0YRhicnfovDDBw at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Absolutely. Toward that end, I wonder if such a campaign might be seeded > at the Raleigh Sparkcon 2012. Maybe a booth to solicit interest. > > Eric > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Calvin Spealman >wrote: > > > Via the Bocoup site I just found the "Boston Built" campaign, which > > promotes the visibility of Boston as a great place for web developers. > > I'm now wondering if we could see a similar promotion for the triangle > > area. Anyone think this could be a good idea? > > > > http://bostonbuilt.org/ > > > > -- > > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am > interesting! > > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > > TriZPUG at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > > -- > Science is the establishment of expectations. Art is the manipulation of > expectations. Justice is the fulfillment of expectations. Expectations are > patterns of mind. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/trizpug/attachments/20120725/4d180f47/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > > End of TriZPUG Digest, Vol 51, Issue 13 > *************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ironfroggy at gmail.com Sat Jul 28 22:31:43 2012 From: ironfroggy at gmail.com (Calvin Spealman) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:31:43 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure about the resources to pull it off. What does it cost? Can we get volunteers to man a booth each day of the event, during work hours? In either case, I'd be really interested in pushing the campaign in a digital avenue, pretty much copying the strategy of Boston Built entirely. On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Eric Leary wrote: > Absolutely. Toward that end, I wonder if such a campaign might be seeded at > the Raleigh Sparkcon 2012. Maybe a booth to solicit interest. > > Eric > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Calvin Spealman > wrote: >> >> Via the Bocoup site I just found the "Boston Built" campaign, which >> promotes the visibility of Boston as a great place for web developers. >> I'm now wondering if we could see a similar promotion for the triangle >> area. Anyone think this could be a good idea? >> >> http://bostonbuilt.org/ >> >> -- >> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > -- > Science is the establishment of expectations. Art is the manipulation of > expectations. Justice is the fulfillment of expectations. Expectations are > patterns of mind. > -- Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy From magnus at yonderway.com Sun Jul 29 00:50:42 2012 From: magnus at yonderway.com (Magnus) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:50:42 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> Expect legal trouble from the ad agency. How about something original, like "Forged in the Triangle"? -M On Jul 28, 2012, at 4:31 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > That's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure about the resources to > pull it off. What does it cost? Can we get volunteers to man a booth > each day of the event, during work hours? > > In either case, I'd be really interested in pushing the campaign in a > digital avenue, pretty much copying the strategy of Boston Built > entirely. > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Eric Leary wrote: >> Absolutely. Toward that end, I wonder if such a campaign might be seeded at >> the Raleigh Sparkcon 2012. Maybe a booth to solicit interest. >> >> Eric >> >> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Calvin Spealman >> wrote: >>> >>> Via the Bocoup site I just found the "Boston Built" campaign, which >>> promotes the visibility of Boston as a great place for web developers. >>> I'm now wondering if we could see a similar promotion for the triangle >>> area. Anyone think this could be a good idea? >>> >>> http://bostonbuilt.org/ >>> >>> -- >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >>> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TriZPUG mailing list >>> TriZPUG at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Science is the establishment of expectations. Art is the manipulation of >> expectations. Justice is the fulfillment of expectations. Expectations are >> patterns of mind. >> > > > > -- > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group From ironfroggy at gmail.com Sun Jul 29 01:25:13 2012 From: ironfroggy at gmail.com (Calvin Spealman) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 19:25:13 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> References:

<9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Magnus wrote: > Expect legal trouble from the ad agency. > > How about something original, like "Forged in the Triangle"? The spirit, not the wording, is what I want to borrow. Open to any suggestions. Favoring shorter two-word forms, but not married to them. Triangle Built Triangle Forged Triangle Crafted Triangle Made Triangle Created > -M > > On Jul 28, 2012, at 4:31 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > >> That's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure about the resources to >> pull it off. What does it cost? Can we get volunteers to man a booth >> each day of the event, during work hours? >> >> In either case, I'd be really interested in pushing the campaign in a >> digital avenue, pretty much copying the strategy of Boston Built >> entirely. >> >> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Eric Leary wrote: >>> Absolutely. Toward that end, I wonder if such a campaign might be seeded at >>> the Raleigh Sparkcon 2012. Maybe a booth to solicit interest. >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Calvin Spealman >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Via the Bocoup site I just found the "Boston Built" campaign, which >>>> promotes the visibility of Boston as a great place for web developers. >>>> I'm now wondering if we could see a similar promotion for the triangle >>>> area. Anyone think this could be a good idea? >>>> >>>> http://bostonbuilt.org/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >>>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >>>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >>>> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TriZPUG mailing list >>>> TriZPUG at python.org >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Science is the establishment of expectations. Art is the manipulation of >>> expectations. Justice is the fulfillment of expectations. Expectations are >>> patterns of mind. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -- Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy From rob.lineberger at gmail.com Mon Jul 30 21:38:52 2012 From: rob.lineberger at gmail.com (Rob Lineberger) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:38:52 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References:

<9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> Message-ID: <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: *http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at python.org Tue Jul 31 17:49:09 2012 From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:49:09 -0500 Subject: [TriZPUG] PyCon 2013 is under way! Now accepting proposals Message-ID: It was only a few months ago when we wrapped up the hugely successful PyCon 2012, and we started working on the 2013 conference right away. PyCon 2013 will again be in Santa Clara, California, with tutorials kicking off March 13, the conference March 15, and sprints beginning March 18. Along with our site release at https://us.pycon.org/2013/, we opened our Call for Proposals a month earlier than last year at https://us.pycon.org/2013/speaking/cfp/. We're looking to you, the community, to help us make PyCon 2013 even better. We're accepting proposals through September 28, hoping to break last year's record of 519 talk, tutorial, and poster proposals. We're looking for all types of presentations from all types of people. If you've got a topic to share, we hope you'll submit a proposal. Create an account at https://us.pycon.org/2013/account/signup/, and fill in your speaker profile and submit away! With another record submission period expected, we're also rounding up volunteers for our Program Committee, the team tasked with evaluating the proposals and coming up with the conference schedule. If you're interested in volunteering, join the PyCon Program Committee mailing list and introduce yourself at http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-pc. Without sponsors, PyCon wouldn't be possible. They're what keep the conference prices low and values high, and we share the same deal with our sponsorship packages. Especially after you factor in the price of tickets that all packages include, we think our sponsorship packages are second to none. We even have a 50% discount for small businesses! Check out https://us.pycon.org/2013/sponsors/whysponsor/ for more info. We've also made changes in how we're doing ticketing, specifically for early bird rates. We even cut our student ticket prices in half, starting at $100! We'll announce more details as we get closer, but know that ticket sales will be opening up in the fall. Be sure to plan accordingly because we anticipate another quick sell out! Be sure to follow us at http://pycon.blogspot.com/ and https://twitter.com/pycon! Jesse Noller - Chairman - jnoller at python.org Brian Curtin - Publicity Coordinator - brian at python.org From ncdave4life at gmail.com Tue Jul 31 19:26:33 2012 From: ncdave4life at gmail.com (David Burton) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:26:33 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> References:

<9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> Message-ID: *Very* nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing bearing the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like those wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what product they were for. Dave On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger wrote: > I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: > > *http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n* > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ironfroggy at gmail.com Tue Jul 31 19:28:37 2012 From: ironfroggy at gmail.com (Calvin Spealman) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:28:37 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References:

<9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up but need to put them up digitally, this evening. On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton wrote: > Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing bearing > the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like those > wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what > product they were for. > > Dave > > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger > wrote: >> >> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n > > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group -- Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy