From cbc at unc.edu Wed Aug 1 02:49:19 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:49:19 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] PyOhio FTW Message-ID: <50187D0F.5080905@unc.edu> PyOhio was a mind expanding experience. Highly recommended. Somehow I won the grand door prize, a full multi-OS, single user, Wing Pro license. I already have a full Wing Pro license. So at the next TriZPUG meeting, some lucky person is going to win this as a door prize. It's worth $245. I would save it for PyCarolinas, but the download code expires on Sept 15, so I gotta give it away sooner. Chris Fox is reserving us a room for our August meeting at NCSU now. So save the date Thur Aug 23 at 7pm for your chance to win. PyOhio also shares their love by donating their large cache of name tags ribbons (the ones that say "speaker," "sponsor," "volunteer," etc.) to PyCarolinas. Calvin, I will hand them over to you the next time I see you. The tags were given to PyOhio by PyCon US, so the gift keeps on giving. The PyOhio board met on Sunday and tapped PyCamp to provide a week of Python instruction leading up to PyOhio 2013. PyCamp will be July 22-26, 2013 and PyOhio will be July 27-28, both at the shiney new Ohio State Union. The sprints were excellent. Catherine Devlin concentrated the sprints on minting as many new Python cor devs as possible. Her help was fantastic and somehow I managed to submit a patch for filecmp. The best part wasn't even surprising. The best part was, of course, the lightning talks. Chad Whitacre is not only a Python rockstar, he's got to be the funniest person to ever give a lightning talk (OK, maybe second to Ian Bicking's old ZDjangoGears talk). Anyway, you should support Chad's https://www.gittip.com/ . I'd like to report to you on Chad's talk on Aspen, his super-duper WSGI server. But I was session-chairing a different track while it was going on. There were four (!) simultaneous tracks at PyOhio. There were some lightning talk glitches with laptop projectors and laptops, as usual of course, so we didn't get to see the Caktus lightning talk. The main ballroom projector seemed to freeze on anything with video. But it was great to see Caktus there as a sponsor. I think the organizers were pretty happy with all the NC/TriZPUG presence and support. The best talk was Kenneth Reitz's "Python for Humans" which was about Python barriers to entry. I never knew there were so many. I mean, from teaching Python, I thought I knew most of them. But there are a lot more than I knew. But Kenneth didn't just complain. He has answers, like his requests module (pypi.python.org/pypi/requests) which compensates for all the warts in Python standard libraries dealing with http, and like his "Hitchhikers Guide to Python" (http://python-guide.org). Anyway, Kenneth works for Heroku in Virginia and wants to give the same talk at PyCarolinas. The PyOhio video should be up soon at http://pyvideo.org . You might want to go look there now, because the PyData talks are up. My second favorite talk wasn't a talk at all. It was also by a Ruby guy, Greg Malcolm, who ported the Ruby Koans to Python. And they're wonderful. So the talk was just download the koans are start doing them, each attendee on his own in silence. Go here: https://github.com/gregmalcolm/python_koans/downloads Download and expand the koans, cd into either the Python 2 or 3 directory, and python contemplate_koans.py . The script will tell you which test case you need to fix next on your path to enlightenment. My talk turned out OK (in my mind, that is) because it timed out perfectly to the time allotted for my talk, which was completely accidental, I assure you. A couple of people told me it was the best talk they saw. Clearly they were crazy, so I avoided them for the rest of the conference. You can find my presentation and code samples on my page at: http://trizpug.org/Members/cbc/pytestfund.pdf and http://trizpug.org/Members/cbc/pyohio.zip or http://trizpug.org/Members/cbc/pyohio.tgz There was a great party Saturday night thrown by the mysterious Cargowebco firm at the Kobo night club with the Tatoheads food truck standing by. Chorizo fries, local beer, two bands, and lots of Python people. Good times! The official PyOhio on-campus hotel, The Blackwell, was also over the top. There were lots of Python people staying there and hanging out late in the lounge. There were no dull moments. A highlight for me was having lunch with Brandon Rhodes who always gives the best talks at PyCon (he had four talks at PyCon 2012!). Brandon used to organize PyAtl before moving to Ohio, where things were already quite well organized, Pythonically speaking. I always get a lot out of listening to Brandon's opinions on all things Python and, well, anything else (this time it was trends in climate change-inspired science fiction). And opinions, there were a lot of them. About every other speaker delivered some form of these statements: "If you aren't doing X, you're doing it wrong," or "If you're doing Y, you're doing it wrong," or "The war is over. Z has won. Sorry," where all those statements are perfectly debatable and reasonable people do either, according to what fits them. Bandwagon-ism used to amuse me in a "look at the kiddies on their children's crusade" kind of way. Now it's just starting to get annoying. This is a trend we should not contribute to. I was appreciative of speakers who presented their findings with some modesty, because in five years we'll all be doing something else some other way. PyOhio was a as great as I'd been told and I'm looking forward to it next year. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From biggers at utsl.com Fri Aug 3 15:51:51 2012 From: biggers at utsl.com (Mark R. Biggers) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 09:51:51 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] PyOhio FTW (and Salt) In-Reply-To: <50187D0F.5080905@unc.edu> References: <50187D0F.5080905@unc.edu> Message-ID: <501BD777.6060703@utsl.com> Thank you, Chris! A detailed, focused and very interesting report. I didn't attend, and I now feel that I could actually take away a lot of good stuff from this conference. Very much appreciated! ----mark P.S. anyone doing serious work with Salt -- Python deployment technology? Would like to talk to you Wednesday... (Caktus sponsored project night) On 07/31/2012 08:49 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: > PyOhio was a mind expanding experience. 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Please come if you'd like to talk about the event and what you can do to make it happen! From chris at archimedeanco.com Sat Aug 4 02:29:08 2012 From: chris at archimedeanco.com (Chris Rossi) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 20:29:08 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Berkeley Artificial Intelligence course taught using Python Message-ID: FYI: https://www.edx.org/courses/BerkeleyX/CS188.1x/2012_Fall/about Chris From ironfroggy at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 06:40:08 2012 From: ironfroggy at gmail.com (Calvin Spealman) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 00:40:08 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> Message-ID: If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the badge I whipped up? I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running with this name, which I like quite a bit. On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look > nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to > a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think > "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. > > I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up > but need to put them up digitally, this evening. > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton wrote: >> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing bearing >> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like those >> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what >> product they were for. >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger >> wrote: >>> >>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > -- > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy -- Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: triangleforged.png Type: image/png Size: 18159 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gary.poster at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 13:24:17 2012 From: gary.poster at gmail.com (Gary Poster) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:24:17 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5F2F16C8-11F2-41A1-9DFC-49805A4BBEFD@gmail.com> I like the "triangle forged" name also. If this is intended to be a marketing tool, I'd expect a more polished and snappy logo. That's my main message. I have some small ideas that I'd explore with a designer if I were running with it, too, but they are discardable. Here they are, for what it is worth. I expect something in the image to reflect the "triangle" aspect of the name. One direction is a forged metal triangle, of the sort used as a percussion instrument. Another is that the forge can clearly have the shape of a triangle, on the top slab. Hopefully that's helpful feedback. Gary On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the > badge I whipped up? > > I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running > with this name, which I like quite a bit. > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look >> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to >> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think >> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. >> >> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up >> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton wrote: >>> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing bearing >>> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like those >>> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what >>> product they were for. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TriZPUG mailing list >>> TriZPUG at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> -- >> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > > > -- > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group From ironfroggy at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 17:02:46 2012 From: ironfroggy at gmail.com (Calvin Spealman) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:02:46 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <5F2F16C8-11F2-41A1-9DFC-49805A4BBEFD@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > expanding on the idea a bit... Im not a graphical designer but my brother is > and has taught me some things. Once you guys figure out what you want I can > get him to touch it up and make it purty. I like this version quite a bit. Certainly an improvement over my first go! > -S > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Gary Poster wrote: >> >> I like the "triangle forged" name also. >> >> If this is intended to be a marketing tool, I'd expect a more polished and >> snappy logo. >> >> That's my main message. I have some small ideas that I'd explore with a >> designer if I were running with it, too, but they are discardable. Here they >> are, for what it is worth. >> >> I expect something in the image to reflect the "triangle" aspect of the >> name. One direction is a forged metal triangle, of the sort used as a >> percussion instrument. Another is that the forge can clearly have the shape >> of a triangle, on the top slab. >> >> Hopefully that's helpful feedback. >> >> Gary >> >> >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> >> > If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the >> > badge I whipped up? >> > >> > I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running >> > with this name, which I like quite a bit. >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman >> > wrote: >> >> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look >> >> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to >> >> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think >> >> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. >> >> >> >> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up >> >> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton >> >> wrote: >> >>> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing >> >>> bearing >> >>> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like >> >>> those >> >>> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering >> >>> what >> >>> product they were for. >> >>> >> >>> Dave >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger >> >>> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >> >>>> >> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> TriZPUG mailing list >> >>> TriZPUG at python.org >> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am >> >> interesting! >> >> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> >> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> >> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am >> > interesting! >> > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TriZPUG mailing list >> > TriZPUG at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > -- Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy From jessebikman at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 18:41:10 2012 From: jessebikman at gmail.com (Jesse Bikman) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 12:41:10 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I figured I'd provoke some more direct inspiration. I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than incorporating a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a location, and has little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python community, which as I see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. Also, how would you design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to a Python usergroup? The most resonating mental image I can associate with a musical triangle is dinner time on the farm. Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned by Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also owned by Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans alternative. Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, it appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. Maybe eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help out with the kerning aspect. Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this logo a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made from hot metal? I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the black text, and would recommend using a different color such as #ff4500. That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so for now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into consideration. -- Jesse Bikman Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching Assistant Luettich lab University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill LinkedIn On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the > badge I whipped up? > > I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running > with this name, which I like quite a bit. > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look >> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to >> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think >> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. >> >> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up >> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton wrote: >>> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing bearing >>> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like those >>> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what >>> product they were for. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TriZPUG mailing list >>> TriZPUG at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> -- >> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > > > -- > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sean at cavanaugh.pro Tue Aug 7 18:58:12 2012 From: sean at cavanaugh.pro (Sean Cavanaugh) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 12:58:12 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Jesse, did you see my update to his design? I don't think the triangle looks bad. I also did not use arial so I am assuming not, I used two open source font from dafont. I also know this is a python user group but I assume most of us use plenty of languages... I could add a python coming up out of the triangle but usually you don't want complicated bits in a logo. I can see what I can whip up later. I provided the .psd file along w/ my last email. I think the easiest way to make suggestions is to try to edit the logo even if you can't get the full affect. -S On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: > Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I figured > I'd provoke some more direct inspiration. > > I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the > designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... > > First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than > incorporating a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a > location, and has little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python > community, which as I see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. > Also, how would you design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to > a Python usergroup? The most resonating mental image I can associate with a > musical triangle is dinner time on the farm. > > Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned > by Monotype Imaging , > and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also owned by Monotype Imaging). > I would recommend finding a typeface that is both beautiful and open > sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist > sans alternative. > > Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look > better. Here is a game that teaches you how to > do that. Additionally, it appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller > than the word FORGED. Maybe eliminating the black border, and making the > anvil smaller would help out with the kerning aspect. > > Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this > logo a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made > from hot metal > ? > > I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the > black text, and would recommend using a different color such as #ff4500. > That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so for > now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into > consideration. > > > > > -- > Jesse Bikman > Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching Assistant > Luettich lab > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > LinkedIn > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > > If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the > badge I whipped up? > > I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running > with this name, which I like quite a bit. > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman > wrote: > > I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look > > nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to > > a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think > > "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. > > > I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up > > but need to put them up digitally, this evening. > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton > wrote: > > Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing bearing > > the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like those > > wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what > > product they were for. > > > Dave > > > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger > > wrote: > > > I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: > > > http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > > TriZPUG at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > -- > > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > > > > -- > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsnklln at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 19:15:57 2012 From: jsnklln at gmail.com (Jason Killen) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:15:57 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50214D4D.8080707@gmail.com> I like this even better than my own. I was going to send it out but after seeing this have decided otherwise. I do like the idea and I'd like to vote for the anvil instead of a musical triangle. On 8/7/12 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the > badge I whipped up? > > I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running > with this name, which I like quite a bit. > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look >> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to >> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think >> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. >> >> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up >> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton wrote: >>> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing bearing >>> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like those >>> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what >>> product they were for. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TriZPUG mailing list >>> TriZPUG at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> -- >> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > From jessebikman at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 19:23:54 2012 From: jessebikman at gmail.com (Jesse Bikman) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:23:54 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry, I didn't see your update, but I would like to see it. I only saw the logos designed by Rob Lineberger and the logo designed by Calvin Spealman. On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > Hey Jesse, did you see my update to his design? I don't think the triangle looks bad. I also did not use arial so I am assuming not, I used two open source font from dafont. I also know this is a python user group but I assume most of us use plenty of languages... I could add a python coming up out of the triangle but usually you don't want complicated bits in a logo. I can see what I can whip up later. I provided the .psd file along w/ my last email. I think the easiest way to make suggestions is to try to edit the logo even if you can't get the full affect. > > -S > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: > Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I figured I'd provoke some more direct inspiration. > > I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... > > First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than incorporating a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a location, and has little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python community, which as I see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. Also, how would you design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to a Python usergroup? The most resonating mental image I can associate with a musical triangle is dinner time on the farm. > > Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned by Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also owned by Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans alternative. > > Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, it appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. Maybe eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help out with the kerning aspect. > > Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this logo a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made from hot metal? > > I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the black text, and would recommend using a different color such as #ff4500. That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so for now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into consideration. > > > > > -- > Jesse Bikman > Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching Assistant > Luettich lab > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > LinkedIn > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > >> If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the >> badge I whipped up? >> >> I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running >> with this name, which I like quite a bit. >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >>> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look >>> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to >>> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think >>> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. >>> >>> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up >>> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton wrote: >>>> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing bearing >>>> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like those >>>> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what >>>> product they were for. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >>>>> >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TriZPUG mailing list >>>> TriZPUG at python.org >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> >> >> >> -- >> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> _______________________________________________ >> >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gary.poster at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 19:35:25 2012 From: gary.poster at gmail.com (Gary Poster) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:35:25 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <37353F9C-6D2C-4AA7-80AB-88CE4C15AAFE@gmail.com> I didn't see your logo either, Sean, FWIW, and it would be fun to see it. Simply updating the original logo in the way Jesse describes sounds like a good experiment too. I agree with Sean that I don't see why the "Triangle Forged" idea would be restricted to Python--or even necessarily to web developers. It seems like it could expand to celebrate/market any software developed here, if desired. If a web focus, or a Python focus, is strongly desired, maybe the name should reflect that better. Finally, I hope my email did not come off as dismissive to Calvin's logo. It probably did, in which case I apologize. I intended to be simple and clear, not dismissive. :-) Gary On Aug 7, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: > Sorry, I didn't see your update, but I would like to see it. I only saw the logos designed by Rob Lineberger and the logo designed by Calvin Spealman. > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > >> Hey Jesse, did you see my update to his design? I don't think the triangle looks bad. I also did not use arial so I am assuming not, I used two open source font from dafont. I also know this is a python user group but I assume most of us use plenty of languages... I could add a python coming up out of the triangle but usually you don't want complicated bits in a logo. I can see what I can whip up later. I provided the .psd file along w/ my last email. I think the easiest way to make suggestions is to try to edit the logo even if you can't get the full affect. >> >> -S >> >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: >> Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I figured I'd provoke some more direct inspiration. >> >> I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... >> >> First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than incorporating a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a location, and has little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python community, which as I see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. Also, how would you design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to a Python usergroup? The most resonating mental image I can associate with a musical triangle is dinner time on the farm. >> >> Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned by Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also owned by Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans alternative. >> >> Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, it appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. Maybe eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help out with the kerning aspect. >> >> Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this logo a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made from hot metal? >> >> I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the black text, and would recommend using a different color such as #ff4500. That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so for now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into consideration. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jesse Bikman >> Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching Assistant >> Luettich lab >> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> LinkedIn >> >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> >>> If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the >>> badge I whipped up? >>> >>> I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running >>> with this name, which I like quite a bit. >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >>>> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look >>>> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to >>>> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think >>>> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. >>>> >>>> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up >>>> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton wrote: >>>>> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing bearing >>>>> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like those >>>>> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what >>>>> product they were for. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TriZPUG mailing list >>>>> TriZPUG at python.org >>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>>>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >>>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >>>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> TriZPUG mailing list >>> TriZPUG at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group From sean at cavanaugh.pro Tue Aug 7 19:37:49 2012 From: sean at cavanaugh.pro (Sean Cavanaugh) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:37:49 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: <37353F9C-6D2C-4AA7-80AB-88CE4C15AAFE@gmail.com> References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> <37353F9C-6D2C-4AA7-80AB-88CE4C15AAFE@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think the list must be blocking me or something, can you see this link? http://imgur.com/2spc9 On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Gary Poster wrote: > I didn't see your logo either, Sean, FWIW, and it would be fun to see it. > > Simply updating the original logo in the way Jesse describes sounds like a > good experiment too. > > I agree with Sean that I don't see why the "Triangle Forged" idea would be > restricted to Python--or even necessarily to web developers. It seems like > it could expand to celebrate/market any software developed here, if > desired. If a web focus, or a Python focus, is strongly desired, maybe the > name should reflect that better. > > Finally, I hope my email did not come off as dismissive to Calvin's logo. > It probably did, in which case I apologize. I intended to be simple and > clear, not dismissive. :-) > > Gary > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: > > > Sorry, I didn't see your update, but I would like to see it. I only saw > the logos designed by Rob Lineberger and the logo designed by Calvin > Spealman. > > > > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > > > >> Hey Jesse, did you see my update to his design? I don't think the > triangle looks bad. I also did not use arial so I am assuming not, I used > two open source font from dafont. I also know this is a python user group > but I assume most of us use plenty of languages... I could add a python > coming up out of the triangle but usually you don't want complicated bits > in a logo. I can see what I can whip up later. I provided the .psd file > along w/ my last email. I think the easiest way to make suggestions is to > try to edit the logo even if you can't get the full affect. > >> > >> -S > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman > wrote: > >> Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I > figured I'd provoke some more direct inspiration. > >> > >> I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the > designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... > >> > >> First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than > incorporating a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a > location, and has little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python > community, which as I see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. > Also, how would you design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to > a Python usergroup? The most resonating mental image I can associate with a > musical triangle is dinner time on the farm. > >> > >> Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned > by Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also owned by > Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both > beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans alternative. > >> > >> Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look > better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, it > appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. Maybe > eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help out > with the kerning aspect. > >> > >> Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this > logo a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made from > hot metal? > >> > >> I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the > black text, and would recommend using a different color such as #ff4500. > That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so for > now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into > consideration. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Jesse Bikman > >> Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching > Assistant > >> Luettich lab > >> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > >> LinkedIn > >> > >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > >> > >>> If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the > >>> badge I whipped up? > >>> > >>> I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running > >>> with this name, which I like quite a bit. > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman > wrote: > >>>> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look > >>>> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to > >>>> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think > >>>> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. > >>>> > >>>> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up > >>>> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton > wrote: > >>>>> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing > bearing > >>>>> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of > like those > >>>>> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering > what > >>>>> product they were for. > >>>>> > >>>>> Dave > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger < > rob.lineberger at gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> TriZPUG mailing list > >>>>> TriZPUG at python.org > >>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >>>>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am > interesting! > >>>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > >>>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am > interesting! > >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >>> TriZPUG mailing list > >>> TriZPUG at python.org > >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TriZPUG mailing list > >> TriZPUG at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TriZPUG mailing list > >> TriZPUG at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > > TriZPUG at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jessebikman at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 19:39:48 2012 From: jessebikman at gmail.com (Jesse Bikman) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:39:48 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh I like it! I'd change the triangle color to #FF8800 to make it easier on the eyes yet still convey energy. Sorry I tried to do this myself but my Photoshop kept crashing on me. On Aug 7, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > here it is attached again > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: > Sorry, I didn't see your update, but I would like to see it. I only saw the logos designed by Rob Lineberger and the logo designed by Calvin Spealman. > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > >> Hey Jesse, did you see my update to his design? I don't think the triangle looks bad. I also did not use arial so I am assuming not, I used two open source font from dafont. I also know this is a python user group but I assume most of us use plenty of languages... I could add a python coming up out of the triangle but usually you don't want complicated bits in a logo. I can see what I can whip up later. I provided the .psd file along w/ my last email. I think the easiest way to make suggestions is to try to edit the logo even if you can't get the full affect. >> >> -S >> >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: >> Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I figured I'd provoke some more direct inspiration. >> >> I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... >> >> First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than incorporating a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a location, and has little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python community, which as I see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. Also, how would you design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to a Python usergroup? The most resonating mental image I can associate with a musical triangle is dinner time on the farm. >> >> Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned by Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also owned by Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans alternative. >> >> Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, it appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. Maybe eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help out with the kerning aspect. >> >> Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this logo a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made from hot metal? >> >> I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the black text, and would recommend using a different color such as #ff4500. That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so for now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into consideration. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jesse Bikman >> Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching Assistant >> Luettich lab >> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> LinkedIn >> >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> >>> If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the >>> badge I whipped up? >>> >>> I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running >>> with this name, which I like quite a bit. >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >>>> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look >>>> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to >>>> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think >>>> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. >>>> >>>> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up >>>> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton wrote: >>>>> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing bearing >>>>> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like those >>>>> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what >>>>> product they were for. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TriZPUG mailing list >>>>> TriZPUG at python.org >>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>>>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >>>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >>>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> TriZPUG mailing list >>> TriZPUG at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gary.poster at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 19:46:43 2012 From: gary.poster at gmail.com (Gary Poster) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:46:43 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> <37353F9C-6D2C-4AA7-80AB-88CE4C15AAFE@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Aug 7, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > I think the list must be blocking me or something, can you see this link? > http://imgur.com/2spc9 Yes! Looks cool. I like it. :-) Gary > > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Gary Poster wrote: > I didn't see your logo either, Sean, FWIW, and it would be fun to see it. > > Simply updating the original logo in the way Jesse describes sounds like a good experiment too. > > I agree with Sean that I don't see why the "Triangle Forged" idea would be restricted to Python--or even necessarily to web developers. It seems like it could expand to celebrate/market any software developed here, if desired. If a web focus, or a Python focus, is strongly desired, maybe the name should reflect that better. > > Finally, I hope my email did not come off as dismissive to Calvin's logo. It probably did, in which case I apologize. I intended to be simple and clear, not dismissive. :-) > > Gary > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: > > > Sorry, I didn't see your update, but I would like to see it. I only saw the logos designed by Rob Lineberger and the logo designed by Calvin Spealman. > > > > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > > > >> Hey Jesse, did you see my update to his design? I don't think the triangle looks bad. I also did not use arial so I am assuming not, I used two open source font from dafont. I also know this is a python user group but I assume most of us use plenty of languages... I could add a python coming up out of the triangle but usually you don't want complicated bits in a logo. I can see what I can whip up later. I provided the .psd file along w/ my last email. I think the easiest way to make suggestions is to try to edit the logo even if you can't get the full affect. > >> > >> -S > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: > >> Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I figured I'd provoke some more direct inspiration. > >> > >> I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... > >> > >> First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than incorporating a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a location, and has little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python community, which as I see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. Also, how would you design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to a Python usergroup? The most resonating mental image I can associate with a musical triangle is dinner time on the farm. > >> > >> Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned by Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also owned by Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans alternative. > >> > >> Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, it appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. Maybe eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help out with the kerning aspect. > >> > >> Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this logo a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made from hot metal? > >> > >> I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the black text, and would recommend using a different color such as #ff4500. That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so for now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into consideration. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Jesse Bikman > >> Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching Assistant > >> Luettich lab > >> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > >> LinkedIn > >> > >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > >> > >>> If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the > >>> badge I whipped up? > >>> > >>> I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running > >>> with this name, which I like quite a bit. > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > >>>> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look > >>>> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to > >>>> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think > >>>> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. > >>>> > >>>> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up > >>>> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton wrote: > >>>>> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing bearing > >>>>> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like those > >>>>> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what > >>>>> product they were for. > >>>>> > >>>>> Dave > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> TriZPUG mailing list > >>>>> TriZPUG at python.org > >>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >>>>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > >>>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > >>>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >>> TriZPUG mailing list > >>> TriZPUG at python.org > >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TriZPUG mailing list > >> TriZPUG at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TriZPUG mailing list > >> TriZPUG at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > > TriZPUG at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group From sean at cavanaugh.pro Tue Aug 7 19:58:33 2012 From: sean at cavanaugh.pro (Sean Cavanaugh) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:58:33 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> <37353F9C-6D2C-4AA7-80AB-88CE4C15AAFE@gmail.com> Message-ID: thx, wish I got to program in python for my current project, its all in TCL and I am about to go crazy, luckily vacation starts Friday for me. -S On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Gary Poster wrote: > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > > > I think the list must be blocking me or something, can you see this link? > > http://imgur.com/2spc9 > > Yes! Looks cool. I like it. :-) > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Gary Poster > wrote: > > I didn't see your logo either, Sean, FWIW, and it would be fun to see it. > > > > Simply updating the original logo in the way Jesse describes sounds like > a good experiment too. > > > > I agree with Sean that I don't see why the "Triangle Forged" idea would > be restricted to Python--or even necessarily to web developers. It seems > like it could expand to celebrate/market any software developed here, if > desired. If a web focus, or a Python focus, is strongly desired, maybe the > name should reflect that better. > > > > Finally, I hope my email did not come off as dismissive to Calvin's > logo. It probably did, in which case I apologize. I intended to be simple > and clear, not dismissive. :-) > > > > Gary > > > > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: > > > > > Sorry, I didn't see your update, but I would like to see it. I only > saw the logos designed by Rob Lineberger and the logo designed by Calvin > Spealman. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > > > > > >> Hey Jesse, did you see my update to his design? I don't think the > triangle looks bad. I also did not use arial so I am assuming not, I used > two open source font from dafont. I also know this is a python user group > but I assume most of us use plenty of languages... I could add a python > coming up out of the triangle but usually you don't want complicated bits > in a logo. I can see what I can whip up later. I provided the .psd file > along w/ my last email. I think the easiest way to make suggestions is to > try to edit the logo even if you can't get the full affect. > > >> > > >> -S > > >> > > >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman > wrote: > > >> Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I > figured I'd provoke some more direct inspiration. > > >> > > >> I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the > designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... > > >> > > >> First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than > incorporating a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a > location, and has little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python > community, which as I see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. > Also, how would you design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to > a Python usergroup? The most resonating mental image I can associate with a > musical triangle is dinner time on the farm. > > >> > > >> Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface > owned by Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also > owned by Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is > both beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans > alternative. > > >> > > >> Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning > look better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, > it appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. > Maybe eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help > out with the kerning aspect. > > >> > > >> Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give > this logo a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made > from hot metal? > > >> > > >> I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to > the black text, and would recommend using a different color such as > #ff4500. That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, > so for now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken > into consideration. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Jesse Bikman > > >> Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching > Assistant > > >> Luettich lab > > >> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > >> LinkedIn > > >> > > >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > > >> > > >>> If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the > > >>> badge I whipped up? > > >>> > > >>> I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if > running > > >>> with this name, which I like quite a bit. > > >>> > > >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman < > ironfroggy at gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to > look > > >>>> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead > to > > >>>> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't > think > > >>>> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. > > >>>> > > >>>> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched > up > > >>>> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. > > >>>> > > >>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton < > ncdave4life at gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing > bearing > > >>>>> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of > like those > > >>>>> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering > what > > >>>>> product they were for. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Dave > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger < > rob.lineberger at gmail.com> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> TriZPUG mailing list > > >>>>> TriZPUG at python.org > > >>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > >>>>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am > interesting! > > >>>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > > >>>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am > interesting! > > >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > > >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> > > >>> TriZPUG mailing list > > >>> TriZPUG at python.org > > >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> TriZPUG mailing list > > >> TriZPUG at python.org > > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> TriZPUG mailing list > > >> TriZPUG at python.org > > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TriZPUG mailing list > > > TriZPUG at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > > TriZPUG at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > > TriZPUG at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ironfroggy at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 21:19:19 2012 From: ironfroggy at gmail.com (Calvin Spealman) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:19:19 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: > Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I figured I'd > provoke some more direct inspiration. > > I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the > designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... I actually like the altered anvil-on-triangle better than my original version, but they are pretty similar. > First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than incorporating > a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a location, and has > little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python community, which as I > see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. Also, how would you > design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to a Python usergroup? > The most resonating mental image I can associate with a musical triangle is > dinner time on the farm. This was my thinking as well. > Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned by > Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also owned by > Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both > beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans alternative. > > Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look > better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, it > appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. Maybe > eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help out > with the kerning aspect. Do you like the typefacing on the next version better? > Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this logo > a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made from hot > metal? > > I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the > black text, and would recommend using a different color such as #ff4500. > That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so for > now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into > consideration. > > > > > -- > Jesse Bikman > Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching Assistant > Luettich lab > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > LinkedIn > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > > If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the > badge I whipped up? > > I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running > with this name, which I like quite a bit. > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman > wrote: > > I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look > > nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to > > a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think > > "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. > > > I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up > > but need to put them up digitally, this evening. > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton wrote: > > Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing bearing > > the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like those > > wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what > > product they were for. > > > Dave > > > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger > > wrote: > > > I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: > > > http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > > TriZPUG at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > -- > > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > > > > -- > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > -- Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy From jessebikman at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 21:59:00 2012 From: jessebikman at gmail.com (Jesse) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:59:00 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: I like the typefacing on the next version better, but I don't think it looks as metallic as the examplefrom dafont's website. Maybe adding a light-gray to-less-light-gray gradient as the font color would fix that? The TM symbol should be superscripted. Again sorry for the backseat critiquing but my photoshop seems to be unusable. On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman > wrote: > > Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I figured > I'd > > provoke some more direct inspiration. > > > > I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the > > designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... > > I actually like the altered anvil-on-triangle better than my original > version, but they are pretty similar. > > > First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than > incorporating > > a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a location, and has > > little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python community, which as > I > > see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. Also, how would you > > design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to a Python > usergroup? > > The most resonating mental image I can associate with a musical triangle > is > > dinner time on the farm. > > This was my thinking as well. > > > Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned > by > > Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also owned by > > Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both > > beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans > alternative. > > > > Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look > > better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, it > > appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. > Maybe > > eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help out > > with the kerning aspect. > > Do you like the typefacing on the next version better? > > > Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this > logo > > a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made from hot > > metal? > > > > I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the > > black text, and would recommend using a different color such as #ff4500. > > That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so for > > now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jesse Bikman > > Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching Assistant > > Luettich lab > > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > LinkedIn > > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > > > > If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the > > badge I whipped up? > > > > I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running > > with this name, which I like quite a bit. > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman > > wrote: > > > > I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look > > > > nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to > > > > a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think > > > > "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. > > > > > > I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up > > > > but need to put them up digitally, this evening. > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton > wrote: > > > > Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing > bearing > > > > the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like > those > > > > wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what > > > > product they were for. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger < > rob.lineberger at gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > TriZPUG mailing list > > > > TriZPUG at python.org > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am > interesting! > > > > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > > > > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am > interesting! > > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > _______________________________________________ > > > > TriZPUG mailing list > > TriZPUG at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > > > > -- > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > -- Jesse Bikman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sean at cavanaugh.pro Tue Aug 7 16:20:08 2012 From: sean at cavanaugh.pro (Sean Cavanaugh) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:20:08 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: <5F2F16C8-11F2-41A1-9DFC-49805A4BBEFD@gmail.com> References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <5F2F16C8-11F2-41A1-9DFC-49805A4BBEFD@gmail.com> Message-ID: expanding on the idea a bit... Im not a graphical designer but my brother is and has taught me some things. Once you guys figure out what you want I can get him to touch it up and make it purty. -S On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Gary Poster wrote: > I like the "triangle forged" name also. > > If this is intended to be a marketing tool, I'd expect a more polished and > snappy logo. > > That's my main message. I have some small ideas that I'd explore with a > designer if I were running with it, too, but they are discardable. Here > they are, for what it is worth. > > I expect something in the image to reflect the "triangle" aspect of the > name. One direction is a forged metal triangle, of the sort used as a > percussion instrument. Another is that the forge can clearly have the shape > of a triangle, on the top slab. > > Hopefully that's helpful feedback. > > Gary > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > > > If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the > > badge I whipped up? > > > > I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running > > with this name, which I like quite a bit. > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman > wrote: > >> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look > >> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to > >> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think > >> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. > >> > >> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up > >> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton > wrote: > >>> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing > bearing > >>> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like > those > >>> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what > >>> product they were for. > >>> > >>> Dave > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger < > rob.lineberger at gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: > >>>> > >>>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TriZPUG mailing list > >>> TriZPUG at python.org > >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am > interesting! > >> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > >> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > > > > > > > -- > > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! 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The Triangle is a > location, and has little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python > community, which as I see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. > Also, how would you design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to > a Python usergroup? The most resonating mental image I can associate with a > musical triangle is dinner time on the farm. > > Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned > by Monotype Imaging , > and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also owned by Monotype Imaging). > I would recommend finding a typeface that is both beautiful and open > sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist > sans alternative. > > Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look > better. Here is a game that teaches you how to > do that. Additionally, it appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller > than the word FORGED. Maybe eliminating the black border, and making the > anvil smaller would help out with the kerning aspect. > > Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this > logo a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made > from hot metal > ? > > I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the > black text, and would recommend using a different color such as #ff4500. > That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so for > now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into > consideration. > > > > > -- > Jesse Bikman > Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching Assistant > Luettich lab > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > LinkedIn > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > > If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the > badge I whipped up? > > I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running > with this name, which I like quite a bit. > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman > wrote: > > I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look > > nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to > > a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think > > "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. > > > I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up > > but need to put them up digitally, this evening. > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton > wrote: > > Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing bearing > > the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like those > > wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what > > product they were for. > > > Dave > > > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger > > wrote: > > > I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: > > > http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > > TriZPUG at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > -- > > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > > > > -- > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: triangleForged.png Type: image/png Size: 57291 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sean at cavanaugh.pro Tue Aug 7 19:26:48 2012 From: sean at cavanaugh.pro (Sean Cavanaugh) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:26:48 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: here it is attached again On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: > Sorry, I didn't see your update, but I would like to see it. I only saw > the logos designed by Rob Lineberger and the logo designed by Calvin > Spealman. > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > > Hey Jesse, did you see my update to his design? I don't think the > triangle looks bad. I also did not use arial so I am assuming not, I used > two open source font from dafont. I also know this is a python user group > but I assume most of us use plenty of languages... I could add a python > coming up out of the triangle but usually you don't want complicated bits > in a logo. I can see what I can whip up later. I provided the .psd file > along w/ my last email. I think the easiest way to make suggestions is to > try to edit the logo even if you can't get the full affect. > > -S > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: > >> Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I figured >> I'd provoke some more direct inspiration. >> >> I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the >> designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... >> >> First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than >> incorporating a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a >> location, and has little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python >> community, which as I see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. >> Also, how would you design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to >> a Python usergroup? The most resonating mental image I can associate with a >> musical triangle is dinner time on the farm. >> >> Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned >> by Monotype Imaging , >> and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also owned by Monotype Imaging). >> I would recommend finding a typeface that is both beautiful and open >> sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist >> sans alternative. >> >> Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look >> better. Here is a game that teaches you how to >> do that. Additionally, it appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller >> than the word FORGED. Maybe eliminating the black border, and making the >> anvil smaller would help out with the kerning aspect. >> >> Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this >> logo a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made >> from hot metal >> ? >> >> I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the >> black text, and would recommend using a different color such as #ff4500. >> That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so for >> now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into >> consideration. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jesse Bikman >> Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching Assistant >> Luettich lab >> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> LinkedIn >> >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> >> If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the >> badge I whipped up? >> >> I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running >> with this name, which I like quite a bit. >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman >> wrote: >> >> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look >> >> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to >> >> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think >> >> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. >> >> >> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up >> >> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton >> wrote: >> >> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing bearing >> >> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like >> those >> >> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what >> >> product they were for. >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger > > >> >> wrote: >> >> >> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> TriZPUG mailing list >> >> TriZPUG at python.org >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >> >> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> >> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> _______________________________________________ >> >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe adding a light-gray to-less-light-gray > gradient as the font color would fix that? > > The TM symbol should be superscripted. > > Again sorry for the backseat critiquing but my photoshop seems to be > unusable. > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman >> wrote: >> > Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I >> figured I'd >> > provoke some more direct inspiration. >> > >> > I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the >> > designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... >> >> I actually like the altered anvil-on-triangle better than my original >> version, but they are pretty similar. >> >> > First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than >> incorporating >> > a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a location, and has >> > little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python community, which >> as I >> > see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. Also, how would you >> > design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to a Python >> usergroup? >> > The most resonating mental image I can associate with a musical >> triangle is >> > dinner time on the farm. >> >> This was my thinking as well. >> >> > Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned >> by >> > Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also owned by >> > Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both >> > beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans >> alternative. >> > >> > Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look >> > better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, it >> > appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. >> Maybe >> > eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help >> out >> > with the kerning aspect. >> >> Do you like the typefacing on the next version better? >> >> > Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this >> logo >> > a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made from >> hot >> > metal? >> > >> > I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the >> > black text, and would recommend using a different color such as #ff4500. >> > That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so >> for >> > now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into >> > consideration. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Jesse Bikman >> > Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching >> Assistant >> > Luettich lab >> > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> > LinkedIn >> > >> > On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> > >> > If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the >> > badge I whipped up? >> > >> > I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running >> > with this name, which I like quite a bit. >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman >> > wrote: >> > >> > I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look >> > >> > nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to >> > >> > a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think >> > >> > "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. >> > >> > >> > I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up >> > >> > but need to put them up digitally, this evening. >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton >> wrote: >> > >> > Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing >> bearing >> > >> > the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like >> those >> > >> > wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what >> > >> > product they were for. >> > >> > >> > Dave >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger < >> rob.lineberger at gmail.com> >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >> > >> > >> > http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > TriZPUG mailing list >> > >> > TriZPUG at python.org >> > >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> > >> > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am >> interesting! >> > >> > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> > >> > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am >> interesting! >> > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > TriZPUG mailing list >> > TriZPUG at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> > > > > -- > Jesse Bikman > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julia.elman at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 22:24:43 2012 From: julia.elman at gmail.com (Julia Elman) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:24:43 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: ? would mean that it is a registered trademark. So no, that should not be in there. On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > do we even need the TM i kind of put it in there for fun > > -S > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Jesse wrote: > > I like the typefacing on the next version better, but I don't think it looks as metallic as the example (http://www.dafont.com/capture-it.font?fpp=50) from dafont's website. Maybe adding a light-gray to-less-light-gray gradient as the font color would fix that? > > > > The TM symbol should be superscripted. > > > > Again sorry for the backseat critiquing but my photoshop seems to be unusable. > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: > > > > Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I figured I'd > > > > provoke some more direct inspiration. > > > > > > > > I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the > > > > designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... > > > > > > I actually like the altered anvil-on-triangle better than my original > > > version, but they are pretty similar. > > > > > > > First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than incorporating > > > > a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a location, and has > > > > little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python community, which as I > > > > see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. Also, how would you > > > > design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to a Python usergroup? > > > > The most resonating mental image I can associate with a musical triangle is > > > > dinner time on the farm. > > > > > > This was my thinking as well. > > > > > > > Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned by > > > > Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also owned by > > > > Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both > > > > beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans alternative. > > > > > > > > Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look > > > > better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, it > > > > appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. Maybe > > > > eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help out > > > > with the kerning aspect. > > > > > > Do you like the typefacing on the next version better? > > > > > > > Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this logo > > > > a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made from hot > > > > metal? > > > > > > > > I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the > > > > black text, and would recommend using a different color such as #ff4500. > > > > That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so for > > > > now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into > > > > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jesse Bikman > > > > Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching Assistant > > > > Luettich lab > > > > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > > > LinkedIn > > > > > > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > > > > > > > > If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the > > > > badge I whipped up? > > > > > > > > I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org (http://triangleforged.org) if running > > > > with this name, which I like quite a bit. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look > > > > > > > > nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to > > > > > > > > a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think > > > > > > > > "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up > > > > > > > > but need to put them up digitally, this evening. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton wrote: > > > > > > > > Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing bearing > > > > > > > > the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like those > > > > > > > > wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what > > > > > > > > product they were for. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > TriZPUG mailing list > > > > > > > > TriZPUG at python.org (mailto:TriZPUG at python.org) > > > > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > > > > > > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > > > > > > > > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > > > > > > > > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > > > > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > > > > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > > > > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > > > > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > TriZPUG mailing list > > > > TriZPUG at python.org (mailto:TriZPUG at python.org) > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > > > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > > > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > > > > > > > -- > > Jesse Bikman > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > > TriZPUG at python.org (mailto:TriZPUG at python.org) > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org (mailto:TriZPUG at python.org) > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From omar.estrella at apertureglobal.com Tue Aug 7 22:32:53 2012 From: omar.estrella at apertureglobal.com (Omar Estrella) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:32:53 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ive followed the thread for a couple days now and although the latest image proposed is awesome (great job!), as a default image, it has a high possibility to clash with a lot of designs. If you look at the Boston Built ones, only one of the proposed icons contains a non-neutral color. On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Julia Elman wrote: > ? would mean that it is a registered trademark. So no, that should not be in > there. > > On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > > do we even need the TM i kind of put it in there for fun > > -S > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Jesse wrote: > > I like the typefacing on the next version better, but I don't think it looks > as metallic as the example from dafont's website. Maybe adding a light-gray > to-less-light-gray gradient as the font color would fix that? > > The TM symbol should be superscripted. > > Again sorry for the backseat critiquing but my photoshop seems to be > unusable. > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Calvin Spealman > wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: >> Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I figured >> I'd >> provoke some more direct inspiration. >> >> I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the >> designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... > > I actually like the altered anvil-on-triangle better than my original > version, but they are pretty similar. > >> First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than >> incorporating >> a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a location, and has >> little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python community, which as I >> see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. Also, how would you >> design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to a Python >> usergroup? >> The most resonating mental image I can associate with a musical triangle >> is >> dinner time on the farm. > > This was my thinking as well. > >> Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned by >> Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also owned by >> Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both >> beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans >> alternative. >> >> Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look >> better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, it >> appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. Maybe >> eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help out >> with the kerning aspect. > > Do you like the typefacing on the next version better? > >> Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this >> logo >> a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made from hot >> metal? >> >> I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the >> black text, and would recommend using a different color such as #ff4500. >> That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so for >> now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into >> consideration. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jesse Bikman >> Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching Assistant >> Luettich lab >> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> LinkedIn >> >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> >> If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the >> badge I whipped up? >> >> I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running >> with this name, which I like quite a bit. >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman >> wrote: >> >> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look >> >> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to >> >> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think >> >> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. >> >> >> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up >> >> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton >> wrote: >> >> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing bearing >> >> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like >> those >> >> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what >> >> product they were for. >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger >> >> wrote: >> >> >> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> TriZPUG mailing list >> >> TriZPUG at python.org >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >> >> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> >> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> _______________________________________________ >> >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> > > > > -- > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > > > > -- > Jesse Bikman > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group -- Omar Estrella From ironfroggy at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 22:33:16 2012 From: ironfroggy at gmail.com (Calvin Spealman) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:33:16 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: What font is that? I'd like to try this with a few different color schemes. On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > here it is attached again > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: >> >> Sorry, I didn't see your update, but I would like to see it. I only saw >> the logos designed by Rob Lineberger and the logo designed by Calvin >> Spealman. >> >> >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: >> >> Hey Jesse, did you see my update to his design? I don't think the >> triangle looks bad. I also did not use arial so I am assuming not, I used >> two open source font from dafont. I also know this is a python user group >> but I assume most of us use plenty of languages... I could add a python >> coming up out of the triangle but usually you don't want complicated bits in >> a logo. I can see what I can whip up later. I provided the .psd file along >> w/ my last email. I think the easiest way to make suggestions is to try to >> edit the logo even if you can't get the full affect. >> >> -S >> >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I figured >>> I'd provoke some more direct inspiration. >>> >>> I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the >>> designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... >>> >>> First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than >>> incorporating a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a >>> location, and has little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python >>> community, which as I see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. >>> Also, how would you design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to >>> a Python usergroup? The most resonating mental image I can associate with a >>> musical triangle is dinner time on the farm. >>> >>> Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned >>> by Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also owned by >>> Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both >>> beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans alternative. >>> >>> Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look >>> better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, it >>> appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. Maybe >>> eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help out >>> with the kerning aspect. >>> >>> Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this >>> logo a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made from >>> hot metal? >>> >>> I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the >>> black text, and would recommend using a different color such as #ff4500. >>> That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so for >>> now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into >>> consideration. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jesse Bikman >>> Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching Assistant >>> Luettich lab >>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >>> LinkedIn >>> >>> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >>> >>> If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the >>> badge I whipped up? >>> >>> I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running >>> with this name, which I like quite a bit. >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman >>> wrote: >>> >>> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look >>> >>> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to >>> >>> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think >>> >>> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. >>> >>> >>> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up >>> >>> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton >>> wrote: >>> >>> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing >>> bearing >>> >>> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like >>> those >>> >>> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what >>> >>> product they were for. >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger >>> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >>> >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> TriZPUG mailing list >>> >>> TriZPUG at python.org >>> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am >>> interesting! >>> >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >>> >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >>> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am >>> interesting! >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >>> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> TriZPUG mailing list >>> TriZPUG at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TriZPUG mailing list >>> TriZPUG at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group -- Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy From sean at cavanaugh.pro Tue Aug 7 22:40:47 2012 From: sean at cavanaugh.pro (Sean Cavanaugh) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:40:47 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: i added all the changes, here is the link in case my other email gets stopped http://imgur.com/ZFuH1 On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > i added all the changes people asked for, don't quite understand the > rainbow > > -S > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > >> What font is that? I'd like to try this with a few different color >> schemes. >> >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Sean Cavanaugh >> wrote: >> > here it is attached again >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jesse Bikman >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Sorry, I didn't see your update, but I would like to see it. I only saw >> >> the logos designed by Rob Lineberger and the logo designed by Calvin >> >> Spealman. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: >> >> >> >> Hey Jesse, did you see my update to his design? I don't think the >> >> triangle looks bad. I also did not use arial so I am assuming not, I >> used >> >> two open source font from dafont. I also know this is a python user >> group >> >> but I assume most of us use plenty of languages... I could add a python >> >> coming up out of the triangle but usually you don't want complicated >> bits in >> >> a logo. I can see what I can whip up later. I provided the .psd file >> along >> >> w/ my last email. I think the easiest way to make suggestions is to >> try to >> >> edit the logo even if you can't get the full affect. >> >> >> >> -S >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I >> figured >> >>> I'd provoke some more direct inspiration. >> >>> >> >>> I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the >> >>> designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... >> >>> >> >>> First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than >> >>> incorporating a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a >> >>> location, and has little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python >> >>> community, which as I see it is indeed to "forge" things with >> computers. >> >>> Also, how would you design a logo around a musical triangle that >> relates to >> >>> a Python usergroup? The most resonating mental image I can associate >> with a >> >>> musical triangle is dinner time on the farm. >> >>> >> >>> Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface >> owned >> >>> by Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also >> owned by >> >>> Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both >> >>> beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans >> alternative. >> >>> >> >>> Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look >> >>> better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, >> it >> >>> appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. >> Maybe >> >>> eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help >> out >> >>> with the kerning aspect. >> >>> >> >>> Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give >> this >> >>> logo a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made >> from >> >>> hot metal? >> >>> >> >>> I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to >> the >> >>> black text, and would recommend using a different color such as >> #ff4500. >> >>> That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so >> for >> >>> now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into >> >>> consideration. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Jesse Bikman >> >>> Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching >> Assistant >> >>> Luettich lab >> >>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> >>> LinkedIn >> >>> >> >>> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> >>> >> >>> If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the >> >>> badge I whipped up? >> >>> >> >>> I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if >> running >> >>> with this name, which I like quite a bit. >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman < >> ironfroggy at gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look >> >>> >> >>> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to >> >>> >> >>> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think >> >>> >> >>> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up >> >>> >> >>> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing >> >>> bearing >> >>> >> >>> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like >> >>> those >> >>> >> >>> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering >> what >> >>> >> >>> product they were for. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Dave >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >> >>> TriZPUG mailing list >> >>> >> >>> TriZPUG at python.org >> >>> >> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> >>> >> >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> >> >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am >> >>> interesting! >> >>> >> >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> >>> >> >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> >>> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am >> >>> interesting! >> >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> >>> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >> >>> TriZPUG mailing list >> >>> TriZPUG at python.org >> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> TriZPUG mailing list >> >>> TriZPUG at python.org >> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> TriZPUG mailing list >> >> TriZPUG at python.org >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> TriZPUG mailing list >> >> TriZPUG at python.org >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TriZPUG mailing list >> > TriZPUG at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> -- >> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julia.elman at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 22:49:15 2012 From: julia.elman at gmail.com (Julia Elman) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:49:15 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> Message-ID: I really, really like this one: https://picasaweb.google.com/117256070408874082041/TriangleTriedAndTrue?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCIaqx_K7lo6QwwE&feat=directlink#5771048249832494242 It is classy, straight forward and clean. I'd like to see another iteration of it with some color options. Also, might want to think what it will look like on a super small scale too (favicon size even). On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger wrote: > I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: > > *http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n* > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ironfroggy at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 22:56:33 2012 From: ironfroggy at gmail.com (Calvin Spealman) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:56:33 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Julia Elman wrote: > I really, really like this one: > > https://picasaweb.google.com/117256070408874082041/TriangleTriedAndTrue?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCIaqx_K7lo6QwwE&feat=directlink#5771048249832494242 > > It is classy, straight forward and clean. I'd like to see another iteration > of it with some color options. Also, might want to think what it will look > like on a super small scale too (favicon size even). I have reservations about this actually carrying the message across. Does "Tried & True Triangle" imply the site was made here? It doesn't seem to carry the feeling or message, IMHO. Also, I am not sure how well it will reduce for smaller badges and a favicon. The anvil allows us something more recognizable and "forged" is a very clear indication of the message. > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger > wrote: >> >> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group -- Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy From sean at cavanaugh.pro Tue Aug 7 22:40:01 2012 From: sean at cavanaugh.pro (Sean Cavanaugh) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:40:01 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: i added all the changes people asked for, don't quite understand the rainbow -S On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > What font is that? I'd like to try this with a few different color schemes. > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > > here it is attached again > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jesse Bikman > wrote: > >> > >> Sorry, I didn't see your update, but I would like to see it. I only saw > >> the logos designed by Rob Lineberger and the logo designed by Calvin > >> Spealman. > >> > >> > >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > >> > >> Hey Jesse, did you see my update to his design? I don't think the > >> triangle looks bad. I also did not use arial so I am assuming not, I > used > >> two open source font from dafont. I also know this is a python user > group > >> but I assume most of us use plenty of languages... I could add a python > >> coming up out of the triangle but usually you don't want complicated > bits in > >> a logo. I can see what I can whip up later. I provided the .psd file > along > >> w/ my last email. I think the easiest way to make suggestions is to > try to > >> edit the logo even if you can't get the full affect. > >> > >> -S > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I > figured > >>> I'd provoke some more direct inspiration. > >>> > >>> I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the > >>> designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... > >>> > >>> First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than > >>> incorporating a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a > >>> location, and has little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python > >>> community, which as I see it is indeed to "forge" things with > computers. > >>> Also, how would you design a logo around a musical triangle that > relates to > >>> a Python usergroup? The most resonating mental image I can associate > with a > >>> musical triangle is dinner time on the farm. > >>> > >>> Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned > >>> by Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also > owned by > >>> Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both > >>> beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans > alternative. > >>> > >>> Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look > >>> better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, > it > >>> appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. > Maybe > >>> eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help > out > >>> with the kerning aspect. > >>> > >>> Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this > >>> logo a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made > from > >>> hot metal? > >>> > >>> I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the > >>> black text, and would recommend using a different color such as > #ff4500. > >>> That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so > for > >>> now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into > >>> consideration. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Jesse Bikman > >>> Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching > Assistant > >>> Luettich lab > >>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > >>> LinkedIn > >>> > >>> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > >>> > >>> If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the > >>> badge I whipped up? > >>> > >>> I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running > >>> with this name, which I like quite a bit. > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman > > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look > >>> > >>> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to > >>> > >>> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think > >>> > >>> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. > >>> > >>> > >>> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up > >>> > >>> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing > >>> bearing > >>> > >>> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like > >>> those > >>> > >>> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what > >>> > >>> product they were for. > >>> > >>> > >>> Dave > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger > >>> > >>> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: > >>> > >>> > >>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >>> TriZPUG mailing list > >>> > >>> TriZPUG at python.org > >>> > >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >>> > >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am > >>> interesting! > >>> > >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > >>> > >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > >>> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am > >>> interesting! > >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > >>> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >>> TriZPUG mailing list > >>> TriZPUG at python.org > >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TriZPUG mailing list > >>> TriZPUG at python.org > >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TriZPUG mailing list > >> TriZPUG at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TriZPUG mailing list > >> TriZPUG at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > > TriZPUG at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > -- > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: tforged.png Type: image/png Size: 48651 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: tforged.psd Type: application/photoshop Size: 286159 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dragonstrider at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 23:02:19 2012 From: dragonstrider at gmail.com (Joseph S. Tate) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:02:19 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Good logos have less than 4 colors. Gradients are a non-starter for screen printing or embroidery. The fewer colors the better for printing too. On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Jesse wrote: > I like the typefacing on the next version better, but I don't think it looks > as metallic as the example from dafont's website. Maybe adding a light-gray > to-less-light-gray gradient as the font color would fix that? > > The TM symbol should be superscripted. > > Again sorry for the backseat critiquing but my photoshop seems to be > unusable. > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Calvin Spealman > wrote: >> >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman >> wrote: >> > Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I figured >> > I'd >> > provoke some more direct inspiration. >> > >> > I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the >> > designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... >> >> I actually like the altered anvil-on-triangle better than my original >> version, but they are pretty similar. >> >> > First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than >> > incorporating >> > a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a location, and has >> > little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python community, which as >> > I >> > see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. Also, how would you >> > design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to a Python >> > usergroup? >> > The most resonating mental image I can associate with a musical triangle >> > is >> > dinner time on the farm. >> >> This was my thinking as well. >> >> > Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned >> > by >> > Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also owned by >> > Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both >> > beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans >> > alternative. >> > >> > Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look >> > better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, it >> > appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. >> > Maybe >> > eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help >> > out >> > with the kerning aspect. >> >> Do you like the typefacing on the next version better? >> >> > Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this >> > logo >> > a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made from >> > hot >> > metal? >> > >> > I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the >> > black text, and would recommend using a different color such as #ff4500. >> > That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so >> > for >> > now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into >> > consideration. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Jesse Bikman >> > Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching >> > Assistant >> > Luettich lab >> > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> > LinkedIn >> > >> > On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> > >> > If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the >> > badge I whipped up? >> > >> > I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running >> > with this name, which I like quite a bit. >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman >> > wrote: >> > >> > I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look >> > >> > nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to >> > >> > a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think >> > >> > "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. >> > >> > >> > I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up >> > >> > but need to put them up digitally, this evening. >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton >> > wrote: >> > >> > Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing >> > bearing >> > >> > the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like >> > those >> > >> > wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what >> > >> > product they were for. >> > >> > >> > Dave >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger >> > >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >> > >> > >> > http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > TriZPUG mailing list >> > >> > TriZPUG at python.org >> > >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> > >> > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am >> > interesting! >> > >> > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> > >> > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am >> > interesting! >> > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > TriZPUG mailing list >> > TriZPUG at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > > > > -- > Jesse Bikman > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group -- Joseph Tate Personal e-mail: jtate AT dragonstrider DOT com Web: http://www.dragonstrider.com From dragonstrider at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 23:02:36 2012 From: dragonstrider at gmail.com (Joseph S. Tate) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:02:36 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Looks like the list strips attachments. Please paste a link. On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Scott Hicks wrote: > Thought I would also submit a design to go along with the 'Triangle Forged' > theme. > > - Scott > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: >> >> Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I figured >> I'd provoke some more direct inspiration. >> >> I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the >> designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... >> >> First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than >> incorporating a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a >> location, and has little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python >> community, which as I see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. >> Also, how would you design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to >> a Python usergroup? The most resonating mental image I can associate with a >> musical triangle is dinner time on the farm. >> >> Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned by >> Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also owned by >> Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both >> beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans alternative. >> >> Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look >> better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, it >> appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. Maybe >> eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help out >> with the kerning aspect. >> >> Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this >> logo a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made from >> hot metal? >> >> I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the >> black text, and would recommend using a different color such as #ff4500. >> That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so for >> now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into >> consideration. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jesse Bikman >> Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching Assistant >> Luettich lab >> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> LinkedIn >> >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> >> If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the >> badge I whipped up? >> >> I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running >> with this name, which I like quite a bit. >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman >> wrote: >> >> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look >> >> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to >> >> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think >> >> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. >> >> >> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up >> >> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton >> wrote: >> >> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing bearing >> >> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like >> those >> >> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what >> >> product they were for. >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger >> >> wrote: >> >> >> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> TriZPUG mailing list >> >> TriZPUG at python.org >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >> >> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> >> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> _______________________________________________ >> >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group -- Joseph Tate Personal e-mail: jtate AT dragonstrider DOT com Web: http://www.dragonstrider.com From dragonstrider at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 23:03:50 2012 From: dragonstrider at gmail.com (Joseph S. Tate) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:03:50 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Logo design by committee... hah. On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > i added all the changes, here is the link in case my other email gets > stopped > > http://imgur.com/ZFuH1 > > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: >> >> i added all the changes people asked for, don't quite understand the >> rainbow >> >> -S >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Calvin Spealman >> wrote: >>> >>> What font is that? I'd like to try this with a few different color >>> schemes. >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Sean Cavanaugh >>> wrote: >>> > here it is attached again >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jesse Bikman >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Sorry, I didn't see your update, but I would like to see it. I only >>> >> saw >>> >> the logos designed by Rob Lineberger and the logo designed by Calvin >>> >> Spealman. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Hey Jesse, did you see my update to his design? I don't think the >>> >> triangle looks bad. I also did not use arial so I am assuming not, I >>> >> used >>> >> two open source font from dafont. I also know this is a python user >>> >> group >>> >> but I assume most of us use plenty of languages... I could add a >>> >> python >>> >> coming up out of the triangle but usually you don't want complicated >>> >> bits in >>> >> a logo. I can see what I can whip up later. I provided the .psd file >>> >> along >>> >> w/ my last email. I think the easiest way to make suggestions is to >>> >> try to >>> >> edit the logo even if you can't get the full affect. >>> >> >>> >> -S >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I >>> >>> figured >>> >>> I'd provoke some more direct inspiration. >>> >>> >>> >>> I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the >>> >>> designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... >>> >>> >>> >>> First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than >>> >>> incorporating a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a >>> >>> location, and has little to do with the purpose of the Triangle >>> >>> Python >>> >>> community, which as I see it is indeed to "forge" things with >>> >>> computers. >>> >>> Also, how would you design a logo around a musical triangle that >>> >>> relates to >>> >>> a Python usergroup? The most resonating mental image I can associate >>> >>> with a >>> >>> musical triangle is dinner time on the farm. >>> >>> >>> >>> Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface >>> >>> owned >>> >>> by Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also >>> >>> owned by >>> >>> Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both >>> >>> beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans >>> >>> alternative. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning >>> >>> look >>> >>> better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, >>> >>> it >>> >>> appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. >>> >>> Maybe >>> >>> eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help >>> >>> out >>> >>> with the kerning aspect. >>> >>> >>> >>> Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give >>> >>> this >>> >>> logo a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made >>> >>> from >>> >>> hot metal? >>> >>> >>> >>> I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to >>> >>> the >>> >>> black text, and would recommend using a different color such as >>> >>> #ff4500. >>> >>> That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so >>> >>> for >>> >>> now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into >>> >>> consideration. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Jesse Bikman >>> >>> Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching >>> >>> Assistant >>> >>> Luettich lab >>> >>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >>> >>> LinkedIn >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the >>> >>> badge I whipped up? >>> >>> >>> >>> I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if >>> >>> running >>> >>> with this name, which I like quite a bit. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman >>> >>> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look >>> >>> >>> >>> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead >>> >>> to >>> >>> >>> >>> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think >>> >>> >>> >>> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up >>> >>> >>> >>> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing >>> >>> bearing >>> >>> >>> >>> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like >>> >>> those >>> >>> >>> >>> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering >>> >>> what >>> >>> >>> >>> product they were for. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> TriZPUG mailing list >>> >>> >>> >>> TriZPUG at python.org >>> >>> >>> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> >>> >>> >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am >>> >>> interesting! >>> >>> >>> >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >>> >>> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am >>> >>> interesting! >>> >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >>> >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >>> >>> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> TriZPUG mailing list >>> >>> TriZPUG at python.org >>> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> TriZPUG mailing list >>> >>> TriZPUG at python.org >>> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> TriZPUG mailing list >>> >> TriZPUG at python.org >>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> TriZPUG mailing list >>> >> TriZPUG at python.org >>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > TriZPUG mailing list >>> > TriZPUG at python.org >>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am >>> interesting! >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >>> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TriZPUG mailing list >>> TriZPUG at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group -- Joseph Tate Personal e-mail: jtate AT dragonstrider DOT com Web: http://www.dragonstrider.com From jessebikman at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 23:04:43 2012 From: jessebikman at gmail.com (Jesse Bikman) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:04:43 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: <78C74743-3F0F-4FFD-B508-662C58325242@gmail.com> References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> <78C74743-3F0F-4FFD-B508-662C58325242@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6F8CE434-6A08-47DD-80C7-D95B8AF83CF8@gmail.com> Ok, the gradient doesn't look good, so just change the color of the text "TRIANGLE FORGED" to #66676E. That's metallic enough, I guess. Change the text "triangleforged.org" to #FFFFFF so that it pops out a little bit, and so that it matches the border. Finally, I see an arbitrary white dot in the image. Here is a screenshot of what I'm talking about: http://imgur.com/jtfGM > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 4:40 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > >> i added all the changes, here is the link in case my other email gets stopped >> >> http://imgur.com/ZFuH1 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: >> i added all the changes people asked for, don't quite understand the rainbow >> >> -S >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> What font is that? I'd like to try this with a few different color schemes. >> >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: >> > here it is attached again >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: >> >> >> >> Sorry, I didn't see your update, but I would like to see it. I only saw >> >> the logos designed by Rob Lineberger and the logo designed by Calvin >> >> Spealman. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: >> >> >> >> Hey Jesse, did you see my update to his design? I don't think the >> >> triangle looks bad. I also did not use arial so I am assuming not, I used >> >> two open source font from dafont. I also know this is a python user group >> >> but I assume most of us use plenty of languages... I could add a python >> >> coming up out of the triangle but usually you don't want complicated bits in >> >> a logo. I can see what I can whip up later. I provided the .psd file along >> >> w/ my last email. I think the easiest way to make suggestions is to try to >> >> edit the logo even if you can't get the full affect. >> >> >> >> -S >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I figured >> >>> I'd provoke some more direct inspiration. >> >>> >> >>> I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the >> >>> designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... >> >>> >> >>> First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than >> >>> incorporating a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a >> >>> location, and has little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python >> >>> community, which as I see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. >> >>> Also, how would you design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to >> >>> a Python usergroup? The most resonating mental image I can associate with a >> >>> musical triangle is dinner time on the farm. >> >>> >> >>> Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned >> >>> by Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also owned by >> >>> Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both >> >>> beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans alternative. >> >>> >> >>> Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look >> >>> better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, it >> >>> appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. Maybe >> >>> eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help out >> >>> with the kerning aspect. >> >>> >> >>> Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this >> >>> logo a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made from >> >>> hot metal? >> >>> >> >>> I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the >> >>> black text, and would recommend using a different color such as #ff4500. >> >>> That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so for >> >>> now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into >> >>> consideration. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Jesse Bikman >> >>> Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching Assistant >> >>> Luettich lab >> >>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> >>> LinkedIn >> >>> >> >>> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> >>> >> >>> If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the >> >>> badge I whipped up? >> >>> >> >>> I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running >> >>> with this name, which I like quite a bit. >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look >> >>> >> >>> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to >> >>> >> >>> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think >> >>> >> >>> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up >> >>> >> >>> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing >> >>> bearing >> >>> >> >>> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like >> >>> those >> >>> >> >>> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what >> >>> >> >>> product they were for. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Dave >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >> >>> TriZPUG mailing list >> >>> >> >>> TriZPUG at python.org >> >>> >> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> >>> >> >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> >> >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am >> >>> interesting! >> >>> >> >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> >>> >> >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> >>> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am >> >>> interesting! >> >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> >>> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >> >>> TriZPUG mailing list >> >>> TriZPUG at python.org >> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> TriZPUG mailing list >> >>> TriZPUG at python.org >> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> TriZPUG mailing list >> >> TriZPUG at python.org >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> TriZPUG mailing list >> >> TriZPUG at python.org >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TriZPUG mailing list >> > TriZPUG at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> -- >> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julia.elman at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 23:08:27 2012 From: julia.elman at gmail.com (Julia Elman) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:08:27 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: <6F8CE434-6A08-47DD-80C7-D95B8AF83CF8@gmail.com> References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> <78C74743-3F0F-4FFD-B508-662C58325242@gmail.com> <6F8CE434-6A08-47DD-80C7-D95B8AF83CF8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Why are we talking about "forging"? Is the Triangle known for some sort of forging industry? It might be nice to highlight the traits of the area that people speak too. Most of the visitors I encounter talk about all of the mature trees and all of the outdoor activities. What about something like "Grown in the Triangle"? Forged just sounds so harsh and I don't think it represents this area well. Sent with Sparrow (http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/?sig) On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: > Ok, the gradient doesn't look good, so just change the color of the text "TRIANGLE FORGED" to #66676E. That's metallic enough, I guess. > Change the text "triangleforged.org (http://triangleforged.org)" to #FFFFFF so that it pops out a little bit, and so that it matches the border. > Finally, I see an arbitrary white dot in the image. Here is a screenshot of what I'm talking about: http://imgur.com/jtfGM > > > > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 4:40 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > > > i added all the changes, here is the link in case my other email gets stopped > > > > > > http://imgur.com/ZFuH1 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > > > > i added all the changes people asked for, don't quite understand the rainbow > > > > > > > > -S > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > > > > > What font is that? I'd like to try this with a few different color schemes. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > > > > > > here it is attached again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Sorry, I didn't see your update, but I would like to see it. I only saw > > > > > >> the logos designed by Rob Lineberger and the logo designed by Calvin > > > > > >> Spealman. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Hey Jesse, did you see my update to his design? I don't think the > > > > > >> triangle looks bad. I also did not use arial so I am assuming not, I used > > > > > >> two open source font from dafont. I also know this is a python user group > > > > > >> but I assume most of us use plenty of languages... I could add a python > > > > > >> coming up out of the triangle but usually you don't want complicated bits in > > > > > >> a logo. I can see what I can whip up later. I provided the .psd file along > > > > > >> w/ my last email. I think the easiest way to make suggestions is to try to > > > > > >> edit the logo even if you can't get the full affect. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> -S > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I figured > > > > > >>> I'd provoke some more direct inspiration. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the > > > > > >>> designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than > > > > > >>> incorporating a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a > > > > > >>> location, and has little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python > > > > > >>> community, which as I see it is indeed to "forge" things with computers. > > > > > >>> Also, how would you design a logo around a musical triangle that relates to > > > > > >>> a Python usergroup? The most resonating mental image I can associate with a > > > > > >>> musical triangle is dinner time on the farm. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned > > > > > >>> by Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also owned by > > > > > >>> Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both > > > > > >>> beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans alternative. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look > > > > > >>> better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, it > > > > > >>> appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. Maybe > > > > > >>> eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help out > > > > > >>> with the kerning aspect. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this > > > > > >>> logo a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made from > > > > > >>> hot metal? > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the > > > > > >>> black text, and would recommend using a different color such as #ff4500. > > > > > >>> That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so for > > > > > >>> now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into > > > > > >>> consideration. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > >>> Jesse Bikman > > > > > >>> Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching Assistant > > > > > >>> Luettich lab > > > > > >>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > > > > >>> LinkedIn > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the > > > > > >>> badge I whipped up? > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org (http://triangleforged.org/) if running > > > > > >>> with this name, which I like quite a bit. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing > > > > > >>> bearing > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like > > > > > >>> those > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> product they were for. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Dave > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> TriZPUG mailing list > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> TriZPUG at python.org (mailto:TriZPUG at python.org) > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> http://trizpug.org (http://trizpug.org/) is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am > > > > > >>> interesting! > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > > > > > >>> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am > > > > > >>> interesting! > > > > > >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > > > > > >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > > > > > >>> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> TriZPUG mailing list > > > > > >>> TriZPUG at python.org (mailto:TriZPUG at python.org) > > > > > >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > > > > >>> http://trizpug.org (http://trizpug.org/) is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >>> TriZPUG mailing list > > > > > >>> TriZPUG at python.org (mailto:TriZPUG at python.org) > > > > > >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > > > > >>> http://trizpug.org (http://trizpug.org/) is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >> TriZPUG mailing list > > > > > >> TriZPUG at python.org (mailto:TriZPUG at python.org) > > > > > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > > > > >> http://trizpug.org (http://trizpug.org/) is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >> TriZPUG mailing list > > > > > >> TriZPUG at python.org (mailto:TriZPUG at python.org) > > > > > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > > > > >> http://trizpug.org (http://trizpug.org/) is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > TriZPUG mailing list > > > > > > TriZPUG at python.org (mailto:TriZPUG at python.org) > > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > > > > > http://trizpug.org (http://trizpug.org/) is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Read my blog! 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URL: From cbc at unc.edu Tue Aug 7 23:22:45 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:22:45 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50218725.8070502@unc.edu> On 8/7/2012 4:24 PM, Julia Elman wrote: > ? would mean that it is a registered trademark. So no, that should not > be in there. No, TM means an unregistered trademark and anybody can claim one and it is usually a good thing to do so. "R" in a circle is a registered trademark. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From cbc at unc.edu Tue Aug 7 23:23:52 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:23:52 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Email List Reminders Message-ID: <50218768.1010906@unc.edu> A reminder of a few things concerning the TriZPUG email list: 1) The TriZPUG email list is hosted by the Python Software Foundation at python.org. Python.org email lists are managed by the MailMan package written in Python. MailMan is the most popular email list management package in the world and is part of the GNU project. Isn't it cool to eat your own dog food? Isn't it cool most of the rest of world eats out dog food? 2) Python.org's MailMan instance uses sensible default settings such as the 40KB limit on attachments so as not to bloat list archives with attachments. It has long been accepted netiquette that if you need to distribute a file via email, then you should host your file yourself and provide a link to your hosted file rather than attaching it to your email, just like you should use Pastebin when sharing code on IRC. 3) Like most email lists managers, it is MailMan's sensible default to only allow mail from subscribed email addresses to pass through to the other members of the list, so that you will not be getting spam from this email list. If you are subscribed to this email list with one email address, but attempt to post from a different email address, your post will not go through to the list. If you prefer to read the list through one email address, but post through others, then subscribe all the email addresses you wish to post from and set the "Mail delivery" option to "disabled" on your subscription options for each of thos post-only email addresses at: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/trizpug I have allowed a few posts to pass through the moderation queue lately which fell afoul of the above reminders. But I don't intend to do that indefinitely, especially after reminding. These are fairly normal email list defaults for the large majority of all email lists. The email list also default to echoing your posts back to you on the list unless you request otherwise in your subscription options. So if you don't see your post echoed back to you by the list, your post has likely been dumped in the moderation queue for one of the above reasons. To help you figure that out, I have changed one of the global defaults for the entire email list. This option is called "Send mail to poster when their posting is held for approval (respond_to_post_requests)?" So now if your post goes in the moderation queue, you'll get an email about it, and hopefully the moderation notification will say why. If you get one of those moderation notifications, rather than tell me about it, please fix the situation the moderation notification tells you the problem is on your end. Because I will likely just start deleting posts held in the moderation queue now that they are accumulating at the rate of a few per day. I have been sending out personalized reminders to offenders when a post hits the moderation queue. But I think that needs to change with this new list option. Thank you and Happy Pythoneering. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From sean at cavanaugh.pro Tue Aug 7 23:32:49 2012 From: sean at cavanaugh.pro (Sean Cavanaugh) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:32:49 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> <78C74743-3F0F-4FFD-B508-662C58325242@gmail.com> <6F8CE434-6A08-47DD-80C7-D95B8AF83CF8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Julia, If you send me those icons, but the original rtiff, or psd I can probably incorporate some of the ideas. -S On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Julia Elman wrote: > Why are we talking about "forging"? Is the Triangle known for some sort of > forging industry? > > It might be nice to highlight the traits of the area that people speak > too. Most of the visitors I encounter talk about all of the mature trees > and all of the outdoor activities. What about something like "Grown in the > Triangle"? Forged just sounds so harsh and I don't think it represents this > area well. > > > Sent with Sparrow > > On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: > > Ok, the gradient doesn't look good, so just change the color of the text > "TRIANGLE FORGED" to #66676E. That's metallic enough, I guess. > Change the text "triangleforged.org" to #FFFFFF so that it pops out a > little bit, and so that it matches the border. > Finally, I see an arbitrary white dot in the image. Here is a screenshot > of what I'm talking about: http://imgur.com/jtfGM > > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 4:40 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > > i added all the changes, here is the link in case my other email gets > stopped > > http://imgur.com/ZFuH1 > > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > > i added all the changes people asked for, don't quite understand the > rainbow > > -S > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > > What font is that? I'd like to try this with a few different color schemes. > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > > here it is attached again > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jesse Bikman > wrote: > >> > >> Sorry, I didn't see your update, but I would like to see it. I only saw > >> the logos designed by Rob Lineberger and the logo designed by Calvin > >> Spealman. > >> > >> > >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > >> > >> Hey Jesse, did you see my update to his design? I don't think the > >> triangle looks bad. I also did not use arial so I am assuming not, I > used > >> two open source font from dafont. I also know this is a python user > group > >> but I assume most of us use plenty of languages... I could add a python > >> coming up out of the triangle but usually you don't want complicated > bits in > >> a logo. I can see what I can whip up later. I provided the .psd file > along > >> w/ my last email. I think the easiest way to make suggestions is to > try to > >> edit the logo even if you can't get the full affect. > >> > >> -S > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I > figured > >>> I'd provoke some more direct inspiration. > >>> > >>> I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the > >>> designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... > >>> > >>> First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than > >>> incorporating a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a > >>> location, and has little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python > >>> community, which as I see it is indeed to "forge" things with > computers. > >>> Also, how would you design a logo around a musical triangle that > relates to > >>> a Python usergroup? The most resonating mental image I can associate > with a > >>> musical triangle is dinner time on the farm. > >>> > >>> Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface owned > >>> by Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also > owned by > >>> Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both > >>> beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans > alternative. > >>> > >>> Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look > >>> better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, > it > >>> appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. > Maybe > >>> eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help > out > >>> with the kerning aspect. > >>> > >>> Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give this > >>> logo a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made > from > >>> hot metal? > >>> > >>> I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to the > >>> black text, and would recommend using a different color such as > #ff4500. > >>> That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so > for > >>> now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into > >>> consideration. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Jesse Bikman > >>> Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching > Assistant > >>> Luettich lab > >>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > >>> LinkedIn > >>> > >>> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > >>> > >>> If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the > >>> badge I whipped up? > >>> > >>> I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if running > >>> with this name, which I like quite a bit. > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman > > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look > >>> > >>> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to > >>> > >>> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think > >>> > >>> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. > >>> > >>> > >>> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up > >>> > >>> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing > >>> bearing > >>> > >>> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like > >>> those > >>> > >>> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering what > >>> > >>> product they were for. > >>> > >>> > >>> Dave > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger > >>> > >>> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: > >>> > >>> > >>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >>> TriZPUG mailing list > >>> > >>> TriZPUG at python.org > >>> > >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >>> > >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am > >>> interesting! > >>> > >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > >>> > >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > >>> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am > >>> interesting! > >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > >>> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >>> TriZPUG mailing list > >>> TriZPUG at python.org > >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TriZPUG mailing list > >>> TriZPUG at python.org > >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TriZPUG mailing list > >> TriZPUG at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TriZPUG mailing list > >> TriZPUG at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > > TriZPUG at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > -- > Read my blog! 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URL: From sean at cavanaugh.pro Tue Aug 7 23:50:38 2012 From: sean at cavanaugh.pro (Sean Cavanaugh) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:50:38 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> <78C74743-3F0F-4FFD-B508-662C58325242@gmail.com> <6F8CE434-6A08-47DD-80C7-D95B8AF83CF8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Everyone, I took everyone's suggestions and put them together here: http://imgur.com/10nAm I think everyone will have he/she's ideas incorporated into the logo. Logo by committee, works overtime -S On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > Hey Julia, > > If you send me those icons, but the original rtiff, or psd I can probably > incorporate some of the ideas. > > -S > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Julia Elman wrote: > >> Why are we talking about "forging"? Is the Triangle known for some sort >> of forging industry? >> >> It might be nice to highlight the traits of the area that people speak >> too. Most of the visitors I encounter talk about all of the mature trees >> and all of the outdoor activities. What about something like "Grown in the >> Triangle"? Forged just sounds so harsh and I don't think it represents this >> area well. >> >> >> Sent with Sparrow >> >> On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Jesse Bikman wrote: >> >> Ok, the gradient doesn't look good, so just change the color of the text >> "TRIANGLE FORGED" to #66676E. That's metallic enough, I guess. >> Change the text "triangleforged.org" to #FFFFFF so that it pops out a >> little bit, and so that it matches the border. >> Finally, I see an arbitrary white dot in the image. Here is a screenshot >> of what I'm talking about: http://imgur.com/jtfGM >> >> >> >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 4:40 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: >> >> i added all the changes, here is the link in case my other email gets >> stopped >> >> http://imgur.com/ZFuH1 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: >> >> i added all the changes people asked for, don't quite understand the >> rainbow >> >> -S >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> >> What font is that? I'd like to try this with a few different color >> schemes. >> >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Sean Cavanaugh >> wrote: >> > here it is attached again >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jesse Bikman >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Sorry, I didn't see your update, but I would like to see it. I only saw >> >> the logos designed by Rob Lineberger and the logo designed by Calvin >> >> Spealman. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: >> >> >> >> Hey Jesse, did you see my update to his design? I don't think the >> >> triangle looks bad. I also did not use arial so I am assuming not, I >> used >> >> two open source font from dafont. I also know this is a python user >> group >> >> but I assume most of us use plenty of languages... I could add a python >> >> coming up out of the triangle but usually you don't want complicated >> bits in >> >> a logo. I can see what I can whip up later. I provided the .psd file >> along >> >> w/ my last email. I think the easiest way to make suggestions is to >> try to >> >> edit the logo even if you can't get the full affect. >> >> >> >> -S >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Jesse Bikman >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi all, sorry this had to be my first posting to the list, but I >> figured >> >>> I'd provoke some more direct inspiration. >> >>> >> >>> I just wanted to chime in and say that this is my favorite of all the >> >>> designs I've seen posted. Now for the inspiration... >> >>> >> >>> First off, I would suggest sticking with the anvil rather than >> >>> incorporating a musical triangle into the design. The Triangle is a >> >>> location, and has little to do with the purpose of the Triangle Python >> >>> community, which as I see it is indeed to "forge" things with >> computers. >> >>> Also, how would you design a logo around a musical triangle that >> relates to >> >>> a Python usergroup? The most resonating mental image I can associate >> with a >> >>> musical triangle is dinner time on the farm. >> >>> >> >>> Secondly, drop the Arial typeface. This is a proprietary typeface >> owned >> >>> by Monotype Imaging, and it's a shabby knockoff of Helvetica (also >> owned by >> >>> Monotype Imaging). I would recommend finding a typeface that is both >> >>> beautiful and open sourced. Cabin could be a good humanist sans >> alternative. >> >>> >> >>> Thirdly, I would recommend figuring out a way to make the kerning look >> >>> better. Here is a game that teaches you how to do that. Additionally, >> it >> >>> appears as though the word TRIANGLE is smaller than the word FORGED. >> Maybe >> >>> eliminating the black border, and making the anvil smaller would help >> out >> >>> with the kerning aspect. >> >>> >> >>> Finally, some cool (but slight) text effects could be used to give >> this >> >>> logo a more polished feel. Maybe something that looks like it is made >> from >> >>> hot metal? >> >>> >> >>> I also think that the background color is too dark in comparison to >> the >> >>> black text, and would recommend using a different color such as >> #ff4500. >> >>> That is all bound to change once hot metal text effects are added, so >> for >> >>> now I would worry about color last once the other stuff is taken into >> >>> consideration. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Jesse Bikman >> >>> Department of Marine Science Graduate Student/Graduate Teaching >> Assistant >> >>> Luettich lab >> >>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> >>> LinkedIn >> >>> >> >>> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> >>> >> >>> If anyone is still interested in the idea, what do you think of the >> >>> badge I whipped up? >> >>> >> >>> I've also registered @triangleforged and triangleforged.org if >> running >> >>> with this name, which I like quite a bit. >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Calvin Spealman < >> ironfroggy at gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I think we need to have something a bit simpler, we need them to look >> >>> >> >>> nice on whatever site someone is building. Anything that could lead to >> >>> >> >>> a design clash will make them less likely to use. Also, I don't think >> >>> >> >>> "Tried & True Triangle" reflects the idea well, I'm sorry. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I'm really liking "Triangle Forged" and I've got my ideas sketched up >> >>> >> >>> but need to put them up digitally, this evening. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Burton >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Very nice looking... but they don't convey the fact that the thing >> >>> bearing >> >>> >> >>> the label was created in the Research Triangle. They're kind of like >> >>> those >> >>> >> >>> wonderfully entertaining ads that, at the end, leave you wondering >> what >> >>> >> >>> product they were for. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Dave >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Rob Lineberger >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I had a few cycles and put some ideas together. Images here: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://tinyurl.com/cpz5l9n >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >> >>> TriZPUG mailing list >> >>> >> >>> TriZPUG at python.org >> >>> >> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> >>> >> >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> >> >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am >> >>> interesting! >> >>> >> >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> >>> >> >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> >>> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am >> >>> interesting! >> >>> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> >>> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: >> >>> http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >> >>> TriZPUG mailing list >> >>> TriZPUG at python.org >> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> TriZPUG mailing list >> >>> TriZPUG at python.org >> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> TriZPUG mailing list >> >> TriZPUG at python.org >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> TriZPUG mailing list >> >> TriZPUG at python.org >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TriZPUG mailing list >> > TriZPUG at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> -- >> Read my blog! 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URL: From cbc at unc.edu Tue Aug 7 23:52:46 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:52:46 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> <78C74743-3F0F-4FFD-B508-662C58325242@gmail.com> <6F8CE434-6A08-47DD-80C7-D95B8AF83CF8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50218E2E.6080405@unc.edu> On 8/7/2012 5:50 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > I took everyone's suggestions and put them together here: > http://imgur.com/10nAm Needs a pony. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From cbc at unc.edu Wed Aug 8 00:22:34 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 18:22:34 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: <5F2F16C8-11F2-41A1-9DFC-49805A4BBEFD@gmail.com> References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <5F2F16C8-11F2-41A1-9DFC-49805A4BBEFD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5021952A.9020603@unc.edu> On 8/7/2012 7:24 AM, Gary Poster wrote: > If this is intended to be a marketing tool, I'd expect a more polished and snappy logo. Man, you can't have a logo without a committee. That's bike shedding 101. Here's what I've learned of late about logos: the simpler the better. Basically, you want to picture your logo shrunken down to the size of one of those social networking icons at the bottom of bloggy blog posts like those facebook "like" links or retweet badges or rss icons. Those icons are usually about 10px by 10px. Your logo has to be pretty simple to scale that small. Like the simple idea of an anvil silhouette. Remember how much people hated the redesigned Python logo when it came out? I didn't think there would be any end to the wailing, especially from the outrage-why-wasn't-I-consulted-outrage contingent. Yeah, and that turned out to be a really good logo because it scales well and has excellent color contrast when scaled small. I'll take scalable over polished and snappy these days. So I'd rather see Calvin's idea simply have a more scalable color scheme. Black on dark red or dark red on black won't dither well. Also, when I saw Calvin propose this idea, I didn't hear him to say it was Python-specific. Just that there are a lot of web developers around here, like the Boston Built idea. Anyway, there are about fifty million marketing, design, and civic boosterism groups around the Triangle, some with several hundreds of members. I bet those one of those groups would be a good home for this excellent idea. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From ncdave4life at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 01:00:07 2012 From: ncdave4life at gmail.com (David Burton) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 19:00:07 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Scott, yours is the *only* one, so far, that would actually be understood by most of the people who see it. Some of the others look nice, but most people who see them won't have a clue what they're intended to mean. 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In-Reply-To: <5021952A.9020603@unc.edu> References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <5F2F16C8-11F2-41A1-9DFC-49805A4BBEFD@gmail.com> <5021952A.9020603@unc.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: > On 8/7/2012 7:24 AM, Gary Poster wrote: >> >> If this is intended to be a marketing tool, I'd expect a more polished and >> snappy logo. > > > Man, you can't have a logo without a committee. That's bike shedding 101. > > Here's what I've learned of late about logos: the simpler the better. > Basically, you want to picture your logo shrunken down to the size of one of > those social networking icons at the bottom of bloggy blog posts like those > facebook "like" links or retweet badges or rss icons. Those icons are > usually about 10px by 10px. Your logo has to be pretty simple to scale that > small. Like the simple idea of an anvil silhouette. > > Remember how much people hated the redesigned Python logo when it came out? > I didn't think there would be any end to the wailing, especially from the > outrage-why-wasn't-I-consulted-outrage contingent. Yeah, and that turned out > to be a really good logo because it scales well and has excellent color > contrast when scaled small. I'll take scalable over polished and snappy > these days. > > So I'd rather see Calvin's idea simply have a more scalable color scheme. > Black on dark red or dark red on black won't dither well. I have a few other color schemes suggested by Julia I'd like to try out. The black and red isn't received well. > Also, when I saw Calvin propose this idea, I didn't hear him to say it was > Python-specific. Just that there are a lot of web developers around here, > like the Boston Built idea. Absolutely right. I'd love this passed around to other groups and see what the interest is outside our smaller community. I don't know how to actually go about coordinating that, tho... every group talks through different mediums. > Anyway, there are about fifty million marketing, design, and civic > boosterism groups around the Triangle, some with several hundreds of > members. I bet those one of those groups would be a good home for this > excellent idea. > > > -- > Sincerely, > > Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc > office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 > mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group -- Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy From gzusfr3ak at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 03:27:16 2012 From: gzusfr3ak at gmail.com (Omar Estrella) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 21:27:16 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <5F2F16C8-11F2-41A1-9DFC-49805A4BBEFD@gmail.com> <5021952A.9020603@unc.edu> Message-ID: I thought Id give this a try. I decided to make small "badges." I didnt have any fonts that would fit well in there, so I just used Arial. It should be changed, as it doesnt really look well. They could be made larger, colors changed, etc. https://www.dropbox.com/s/wsac0r6sibq3ayi/tforged.png https://www.dropbox.com/s/ioih56qlpyz2rcs/tforged.psd (dropbox displays this as corrupted image) On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: >> On 8/7/2012 7:24 AM, Gary Poster wrote: >>> >>> If this is intended to be a marketing tool, I'd expect a more polished and >>> snappy logo. >> >> >> Man, you can't have a logo without a committee. That's bike shedding 101. >> >> Here's what I've learned of late about logos: the simpler the better. >> Basically, you want to picture your logo shrunken down to the size of one of >> those social networking icons at the bottom of bloggy blog posts like those >> facebook "like" links or retweet badges or rss icons. Those icons are >> usually about 10px by 10px. Your logo has to be pretty simple to scale that >> small. Like the simple idea of an anvil silhouette. >> >> Remember how much people hated the redesigned Python logo when it came out? >> I didn't think there would be any end to the wailing, especially from the >> outrage-why-wasn't-I-consulted-outrage contingent. Yeah, and that turned out >> to be a really good logo because it scales well and has excellent color >> contrast when scaled small. I'll take scalable over polished and snappy >> these days. >> >> So I'd rather see Calvin's idea simply have a more scalable color scheme. >> Black on dark red or dark red on black won't dither well. > > I have a few other color schemes suggested by Julia I'd like to try > out. The black and red isn't received well. > >> Also, when I saw Calvin propose this idea, I didn't hear him to say it was >> Python-specific. Just that there are a lot of web developers around here, >> like the Boston Built idea. > > Absolutely right. I'd love this passed around to other groups and see > what the interest is outside our smaller community. > > I don't know how to actually go about coordinating that, tho... every > group talks through different mediums. > >> Anyway, there are about fifty million marketing, design, and civic >> boosterism groups around the Triangle, some with several hundreds of >> members. I bet those one of those groups would be a good home for this >> excellent idea. >> >> >> -- >> Sincerely, >> >> Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc >> office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 >> mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > -- > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group -- Omar Estrella From ironfroggy at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 03:50:25 2012 From: ironfroggy at gmail.com (Calvin Spealman) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 21:50:25 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <5F2F16C8-11F2-41A1-9DFC-49805A4BBEFD@gmail.com> <5021952A.9020603@unc.edu> Message-ID: I love the badges, Omar! I think this shows the versatility of the anvil icon being recognizable in different formats and scales, and we don't even need to stick to a single color. We could offer a range of colors to match the site being deployed on. On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Omar Estrella wrote: > I thought Id give this a try. I decided to make small "badges." I > didnt have any fonts that would fit well in there, so I just used > Arial. It should be changed, as it doesnt really look well. They could > be made larger, colors changed, etc. > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/wsac0r6sibq3ayi/tforged.png > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/ioih56qlpyz2rcs/tforged.psd (dropbox > displays this as corrupted image) > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: >>> On 8/7/2012 7:24 AM, Gary Poster wrote: >>>> >>>> If this is intended to be a marketing tool, I'd expect a more polished and >>>> snappy logo. >>> >>> >>> Man, you can't have a logo without a committee. That's bike shedding 101. >>> >>> Here's what I've learned of late about logos: the simpler the better. >>> Basically, you want to picture your logo shrunken down to the size of one of >>> those social networking icons at the bottom of bloggy blog posts like those >>> facebook "like" links or retweet badges or rss icons. Those icons are >>> usually about 10px by 10px. Your logo has to be pretty simple to scale that >>> small. Like the simple idea of an anvil silhouette. >>> >>> Remember how much people hated the redesigned Python logo when it came out? >>> I didn't think there would be any end to the wailing, especially from the >>> outrage-why-wasn't-I-consulted-outrage contingent. Yeah, and that turned out >>> to be a really good logo because it scales well and has excellent color >>> contrast when scaled small. I'll take scalable over polished and snappy >>> these days. >>> >>> So I'd rather see Calvin's idea simply have a more scalable color scheme. >>> Black on dark red or dark red on black won't dither well. >> >> I have a few other color schemes suggested by Julia I'd like to try >> out. The black and red isn't received well. >> >>> Also, when I saw Calvin propose this idea, I didn't hear him to say it was >>> Python-specific. Just that there are a lot of web developers around here, >>> like the Boston Built idea. >> >> Absolutely right. I'd love this passed around to other groups and see >> what the interest is outside our smaller community. >> >> I don't know how to actually go about coordinating that, tho... every >> group talks through different mediums. >> >>> Anyway, there are about fifty million marketing, design, and civic >>> boosterism groups around the Triangle, some with several hundreds of >>> members. I bet those one of those groups would be a good home for this >>> excellent idea. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc >>> office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 >>> mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TriZPUG mailing list >>> TriZPUG at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> >> >> -- >> Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! >> http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ >> Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > -- > Omar Estrella -- Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy From ncdave4life at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 06:48:16 2012 From: ncdave4life at gmail.com (David Burton) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 00:48:16 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Email List Reminders In-Reply-To: <50218768.1010906@unc.edu> References: <50218768.1010906@unc.edu> Message-ID: Good info! Thanks, Chris! On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: > A reminder of a few things concerning the TriZPUG email list: > > 1) The TriZPUG email list is hosted by the Python Software Foundation at > python.org. Python.org email lists are managed by the MailMan package > written in Python. MailMan is the most popular email list management > package in the world and is part of the GNU project. Isn't it cool to eat > your own dog food? Isn't it cool most of the rest of world eats out dog > food? > > 2) Python.org's MailMan instance uses sensible default settings such as > the 40KB limit on attachments so as not to bloat list archives with > attachments. It has long been accepted netiquette that if you need to > distribute a file via email, then you should host your file yourself and > provide a link to your hosted file rather than attaching it to your email, > just like you should use Pastebin when sharing code on IRC. > > 3) Like most email lists managers, it is MailMan's sensible default to > only allow mail from subscribed email addresses to pass through to the > other members of the list, so that you will not be getting spam from this > email list. If you are subscribed to this email list with one email > address, but attempt to post from a different email address, your post will > not go through to the list. > > If you prefer to read the list through one email address, but post through > others, then subscribe all the email addresses you wish to post from and > set the "Mail delivery" option to "disabled" on your subscription options > for each of thos post-only email addresses at: > > http://mail.python.org/**mailman/options/trizpug > > I have allowed a few posts to pass through the moderation queue lately > which fell afoul of the above reminders. But I don't intend to do that > indefinitely, especially after reminding. These are fairly normal email > list defaults for the large majority of all email lists. The email list > also default to echoing your posts back to you on the list unless you > request otherwise in your subscription options. So if you don't see your > post echoed back to you by the list, your post has likely been dumped in > the moderation queue for one of the above reasons. > > To help you figure that out, I have changed one of the global defaults for > the entire email list. This option is called "Send mail to poster when > their posting is held for approval (respond_to_post_requests)?" So now if > your post goes in the moderation queue, you'll get an email about it, and > hopefully the moderation notification will say why. > > If you get one of those moderation notifications, rather than tell me > about it, please fix the situation the moderation notification tells you > the problem is on your end. Because I will likely just start deleting posts > held in the moderation queue now that they are accumulating at the rate of > a few per day. I have been sending out personalized reminders to offenders > when a post hits the moderation queue. But I think that needs to change > with this new list option. > > Thank you and Happy Pythoneering. > > -- > Sincerely, > > Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc > office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 > mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sean at cavanaugh.pro Wed Aug 8 15:32:42 2012 From: sean at cavanaugh.pro (Sean Cavanaugh) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:32:42 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: <50218E2E.6080405@unc.edu> References: <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> <78C74743-3F0F-4FFD-B508-662C58325242@gmail.com> <6F8CE434-6A08-47DD-80C7-D95B8AF83CF8@gmail.com> <50218E2E.6080405@unc.edu> Message-ID: So obviously I was joking but if someone send me the source files for a few of those graphics I can try to incorporate everything together. -S On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: > On 8/7/2012 5:50 PM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > >> I took everyone's suggestions and put them together here: >> http://imgur.com/10nAm >> > > Needs a pony. > > > -- > Sincerely, > > Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc > office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 > mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 > ______________________________**_________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc.peterson at gmx.net Wed Aug 8 16:05:03 2012 From: marc.peterson at gmx.net (Marc Peterson) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 10:05:03 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <34DBFA94-967C-4910-95BB-DE62B10BC62F@gmail.com> <78C74743-3F0F-4FFD-B508-662C58325242@gmail.com> <6F8CE434-6A08-47DD-80C7-D95B8AF83CF8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001b01cd756e$cf9911a0$6ecb34e0$@gmx.net> > Why are we talking about "forging"? Is the Triangle known for some sort of > forging industry? > > It might be nice to highlight the traits of the area that people speak too. > Most of the visitors I encounter talk about all of the mature trees and all > of the outdoor activities. What about something like "Grown in the > Triangle"? Forged just sounds so harsh and I don't think it represents this > area well. Rather than equilateral, how about a background triangle which represents the geographic distribution of the three anchor sites? The UNC corner: 68.6 degrees The Duke corner: 86.9 degrees The NC State corner: 24.5 degrees From cbc at unc.edu Wed Aug 8 16:44:39 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 10:44:39 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Built? In-Reply-To: References: <9D4AF94E-6BE7-47AE-883B-0CABAF5D3047@yonderway.com> <5016E2CC.10504@gmail.com> <5F2F16C8-11F2-41A1-9DFC-49805A4BBEFD@gmail.com> <5021952A.9020603@unc.edu> Message-ID: <50227B57.4030607@unc.edu> On 8/7/2012 7:51 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > I don't know how to actually go about coordinating that, tho... every > group talks through different mediums. My experience is, you have to seek out and go to each of the mediums. It's very difficult with meetup groups. Because anybody can join a meetup group, meetup mailing lists tend to be moderated and have little to no traffic as a result (because moderating lists is time-consuming work). There's usually a gatekeeper person you have to go to an convince. This has been a big problem when I've tried to cross-promote TriZPUG events. It just takes a lot of time. Also, don't worry about a logo conveying what your message is. Logos are for being distinctive enough to remember. They form more primitive associations in memory than messages. Logos don't convey messages. Does facebook's logo convey what facebook is? Does twitter's logo convey what twitter does? Do you remember what "liking" is when you see the little white "f" on an blue background. Yes. Did the little white "f" ever explain to you what "liking" is? No. The anvil silhouette is perfect. Trust your instincts. The mob is nearly always wrong. The only other suggestion that resonates with me is Marc's idea of the geographic distribution of the Triangle as a triangle: http://www.techjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/RTPmap.jpg You see this irregular triangle in other RTP-assosciate logos: https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ2u59fVgI6FLjTNb8URmKvsJEKT4EVtlwT1aiBCLSnOyQDmk7XwA https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSImXk-YOuR2oy9-uJjop0bXMmzswLuLqWvO6XbhRN_BNDCW_lQ That irregular triangle has already been associated with the Research Triangle in collective memory and it gets used for everything around here so it's kind of in the public domain by virtue of being unchallenged for so long. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From cbc at unc.edu Wed Aug 8 21:28:19 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:28:19 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] August Meeting in Raleigh Message-ID: <5022BDD3.5060901@unc.edu> Our NCSU contact has run into a snag. After being put off for the last couple of weeks, NCSU engineering classroom scheduling has finally said it is not allowing any classroom reservations by students until after classes start on Aug 16. That's only a week before the scheduled meeting. We also have another NCSU contact who has an appointment on Monday to talk to an NCSU classroom administrator who has override authority to schedule a space for us while the scheduling system is still locked until the 16th. If we don't have another meeting location by the 16th, we can try again then. But since we have a featured speaker for August (Mark Lavin's upcoming DjangoCon presentation), I'm trying to show him some respect by publicizing the meeting more than a week in advance. Just letting you know the situation and why there hasn't been a meeting announcement yet. We honestly try every month to have announcements a month in advance. And it takes a few hours of work behind the scenes each month to make that happen. But since we often have to rely on the kindness of strangers with space, it sometimes takes longer. Mark, do you have a title yet for your talk? -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From markdlavin at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 22:40:07 2012 From: markdlavin at gmail.com (Mark Lavin) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:40:07 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] August Meeting in Raleigh In-Reply-To: <5022BDD3.5060901@unc.edu> References: <5022BDD3.5060901@unc.edu> Message-ID: Yes my talk is titled "Maintaining Your Sanity While Maintaining Your Open Source App". An outline/description is available on the DjangoCon website: http://www.djangocon.us/schedule/presentations/23/ Best, Mark On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: > Our NCSU contact has run into a snag. After being put off for the last > couple of weeks, NCSU engineering classroom scheduling has finally said it > is not allowing any classroom reservations by students until after classes > start on Aug 16. That's only a week before the scheduled meeting. > > We also have another NCSU contact who has an appointment on Monday to talk > to an NCSU classroom administrator who has override authority to schedule a > space for us while the scheduling system is still locked until the 16th. > > If we don't have another meeting location by the 16th, we can try again > then. But since we have a featured speaker for August (Mark Lavin's > upcoming DjangoCon presentation), I'm trying to show him some respect by > publicizing the meeting more than a week in advance. > > Just letting you know the situation and why there hasn't been a meeting > announcement yet. We honestly try every month to have announcements a month > in advance. And it takes a few hours of work behind the scenes each month > to make that happen. But since we often have to rely on the kindness of > strangers with space, it sometimes takes longer. > > Mark, do you have a title yet for your talk? > > -- > Sincerely, > > Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc > office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 > mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 > ______________________________**_________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lionface.lemonface at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 00:10:17 2012 From: lionface.lemonface at gmail.com (Josh Johnson) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 18:10:17 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] August Meeting in Raleigh In-Reply-To: References: <5022BDD3.5060901@unc.edu> Message-ID: I've got the break room at WebAssign (where I work) reserved for us - I'll send along directions, update trizpug.org and such later tonight or first thing tomorrow. It's on centennial campus, just down the street from where we usually have the NCSU meetings (across the street from Red Hat). I'll also need to figure out parking, but worse case, I think we can park where we usually park near the engineering buildings. It's a nice space, we've got sodas and coffee, a giant projector - the outside door will be locked, so we'll need to deal with that, but otherwise it should be pretty sweet. I'm looking forward to Mark's talk! Thanks, JJ On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Mark Lavin wrote: > Yes my talk is titled "Maintaining Your Sanity While Maintaining Your Open > Source App". An outline/description is available on the DjangoCon website: > http://www.djangocon.us/schedule/presentations/23/ > > Best, > > Mark > > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: >> >> Our NCSU contact has run into a snag. After being put off for the last >> couple of weeks, NCSU engineering classroom scheduling has finally said it >> is not allowing any classroom reservations by students until after classes >> start on Aug 16. That's only a week before the scheduled meeting. >> >> We also have another NCSU contact who has an appointment on Monday to talk >> to an NCSU classroom administrator who has override authority to schedule a >> space for us while the scheduling system is still locked until the 16th. >> >> If we don't have another meeting location by the 16th, we can try again >> then. But since we have a featured speaker for August (Mark Lavin's upcoming >> DjangoCon presentation), I'm trying to show him some respect by publicizing >> the meeting more than a week in advance. >> >> Just letting you know the situation and why there hasn't been a meeting >> announcement yet. We honestly try every month to have announcements a month >> in advance. And it takes a few hours of work behind the scenes each month to >> make that happen. But since we often have to rely on the kindness of >> strangers with space, it sometimes takes longer. >> >> Mark, do you have a title yet for your talk? >> >> -- >> Sincerely, >> >> Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc >> office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 >> mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group From cbc at unc.edu Thu Aug 9 01:18:34 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:18:34 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] August Meeting in Raleigh In-Reply-To: References: <5022BDD3.5060901@unc.edu> Message-ID: <5022F3CA.1080704@unc.edu> On 8/8/2012 6:10 PM, Josh Johnson wrote: > I've got the break room at WebAssign (where I work) reserved for us - > I'll send along directions, update trizpug.org and such later tonight > or first thing tomorrow. It's on centennial campus, just down the > street from where we usually have the NCSU meetings (across the street > from Red Hat). That's great. It's on Centennial Campus, fantastic. How many people can be seated in this room? -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From lionface.lemonface at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 01:28:52 2012 From: lionface.lemonface at gmail.com (lionface.lemonface at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 23:28:52 +0000 Subject: [TriZPUG] August Meeting in Raleigh Message-ID: <527349918-1344468534-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-94459213-@b4.c12.bise6.blackberry> Maybe 50 total - I can count the chairs tomorrow - we can borrow them from one of the conference rooms if we needed more (a bunch are bar height). JJ ------Original Message------ From: Chris Calloway To: Josh Johnson Cc: Triangle (North Carolina) Zope and Python Users Group ReplyTo: Chris Calloway Subject: Re: [TriZPUG] August Meeting in Raleigh Sent: Aug 8, 2012 7:18 PM On 8/8/2012 6:10 PM, Josh Johnson wrote: > I've got the break room at WebAssign (where I work) reserved for us - > I'll send along directions, update trizpug.org and such later tonight > or first thing tomorrow. It's on centennial campus, just down the > street from where we usually have the NCSU meetings (across the street > from Red Hat). That's great. It's on Centennial Campus, fantastic. How many people can be seated in this room? -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? From cbc at unc.edu Thu Aug 9 01:57:07 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:57:07 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] August Meeting in Raleigh In-Reply-To: <527349918-1344468534-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-94459213-@b4.c12.bise6.blackberry> References: <527349918-1344468534-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-94459213-@b4.c12.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <5022FCD3.9060402@unc.edu> On 8/8/2012 7:28 PM, lionface.lemonface at gmail.com wrote: > Maybe 50 total - I can count the chairs tomorrow - we can borrow them from one of the conference rooms if we needed more (a bunch are bar height). Well, 50 should more more than plenty. I thank you for the offer and the reservation. I had an offline offer earlier today from Ryan Leathers to host it at Metametrics which I discouraged because it's in Durham rather than Raleigh and when we met there once before it was too small for the number of people who show up. And Sneh Singh has an appointment with the a classroom czar at NCSU on Monday about a space. But I will let him know that we now have a space "on campus" as I don't think he subscribed yet. The do-acracy worked. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From markdlavin at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 15:27:23 2012 From: markdlavin at gmail.com (Mark Lavin) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 09:27:23 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Project Night Recap - Look What I Made! Message-ID: I hope everyone had as much fun as I did at Project Night last night. I was able to get this done more or less from start to finish last night https://github.com/mlavin/django-app-template Anyone else want to show off what they worked on? Best, Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ogmaciel at gnome.org Thu Aug 9 16:34:15 2012 From: ogmaciel at gnome.org (Og Maciel) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:34:15 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Project Night Recap - Look What I Made! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Mark Lavin wrote: > I hope everyone had as much fun as I did at Project Night last night. > I was able to get this done more or less from start to finish last night https://github.com/mlavin/django-app-template > > Anyone else want to show off what they worked on? > Not much to show. Last time I did anything with Django was when 1.2 was released and last night I saw how different 1.4 is for someone starting from scratch (i.e. the files that get automatically created, static files location, etc), so I decided to take a stab at changing my current code to be more in line with 1.4 "style": https://github.com/omaciel/pylyglot/compare/1dot4 Fwiw, the app is currently running on http://pylyglot.org Cheers, -- Og B. Maciel GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://ogmaciel.tumblr.com From ironfroggy at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 20:03:40 2012 From: ironfroggy at gmail.com (Calvin Spealman) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 14:03:40 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Project Night Recap - Look What I Made! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Og Maciel wrote: > On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Mark Lavin wrote: > >> I hope everyone had as much fun as I did at Project Night last night. >> I was able to get this done more or less from start to finish last night https://github.com/mlavin/django-app-template >> >> Anyone else want to show off what they worked on? >> I made... todo lists for PyCarolinas! Does that count? > > Not much to show. Last time I did anything with Django was when 1.2 was released and last night I saw how different 1.4 is for someone starting from scratch (i.e. the files that get automatically created, static files location, etc), so I decided to take a stab at changing my current code to be more in line with 1.4 "style": https://github.com/omaciel/pylyglot/compare/1dot4 > > Fwiw, the app is currently running on http://pylyglot.org > > Cheers, > -- > Og B. Maciel > > GPG Keys: D5CFC202 > > http://ogmaciel.tumblr.com > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group -- Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy From cbc at unc.edu Thu Aug 9 20:33:36 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 14:33:36 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG August 2012 Meeting: Maintaining Your Sanity While Maintaining Your Open Source App Message-ID: <50240280.2020106@unc.edu> When: Thursday, August 23, 7pm Where: WebAssign, NCSU Centennial Campus, 1791 Varsity Drive, Suite 200, Raleigh https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=1791+Varsity+Drive+Suite+200+27606 What: Mark Lavin, Django developer extraordinaire at Caktus Consulting Group, will present his upcoming DjangoCon 2012 talk, "Maintaining Your Sanity While Maintaining Your Open Source App." There will likely be discussion of preparations for the upcoming PyCarolinas conference, too. Extemporaneous "lightning talks" of 5-10 minute duration are also welcome as always. Please join us at our first meeting at WebAssign and share your Python experiences. Plenty of free after hours parking will be available in the adjacent Centennial Campus decks. An after-meeting location for food and beverage will be decided at the meeting. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From cbc at unc.edu Thu Aug 9 22:27:12 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:27:12 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Project Night Recap - Look What I Made! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50241D20.3040907@unc.edu> On 8/9/2012 2:03 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Mark Lavin wrote: >> I hope everyone had as much fun as I did at Project Night last night. >> I was able to get this done more or less from start to finish last night https://github.com/mlavin/django-app-template >> >> Anyone else want to show off what they worked on? Excellent idea. > I made... todo lists for PyCarolinas! > > Does that count? Idunno, does making meeting announcements count? I came into project night only a little bit late with some core Python issues I'd been working on. I had patches ready to submit and was going to work on another couple of patches. Then Calvin told me Josh has gotten a meeting space. So I switched to making meeting announcements. Then we had PyCarolinas discussion time. Then I got sidetracked answering Python questions. Then it got late and Jim said let's go get a drinky drink. So I finished announcement today. And now I'm back where I started. :) Time flies when you're having pizza. Thanks for the pizza! -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From jim at ibang.com Fri Aug 10 04:23:38 2012 From: jim at ibang.com (Jim Allman) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 22:23:38 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Project Night Recap - Look What I Made! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Mark Lavin wrote: > Anyone else want to show off what they worked on? I was working on logo ideas for TriPython. Here's my best shot so far: http://imgur.com/NHnDH The look is retro-70's "supergraphics", with a triskelion (treskel) that works as an independent emblem or as part of the logotype. The accent colors are up for discussion. If we want to avoid any of the local university colors, maybe teal (bottom) would be better than the red. This is all vector art, adapted from a free font called "Eyelevation Pro": http://www.dafont.com/eyelevation-pro.font http://aleksandershevchuk.ru/Free-Fonts =jimA= Jim Allman Interrobang Digital Media http://www.ibang.com/ (919) 649-5760 From julia.elman at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 04:29:58 2012 From: julia.elman at gmail.com (Julia Elman) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 22:29:58 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Project Night Recap - Look What I Made! In-Reply-To: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> References: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> Message-ID: <8A53E8FA9D654E6E90E51F943FBDC08C@gmail.com> That is awesome work Jim! I really like the font choice and the 3 snakes. Very well done. I think it might be hard for folks to understand that the "n" is a snake? Or maybe it's just throwing me off a bit. What do you think about moving the 3 snakes in front of "tripython" instead? Also, I like the green color scheme you have on the bottom 3 snakes. Seems more inviting and it won't allude to any school affiliations. Sent with Sparrow (http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/?sig) On Thursday, August 9, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Jim Allman wrote: > On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Mark Lavin wrote: > > Anyone else want to show off what they worked on? > > > I was working on logo ideas for TriPython. Here's my best shot so far: > http://imgur.com/NHnDH > > The look is retro-70's "supergraphics", with a triskelion (treskel) that works as an independent emblem or as part of the logotype. > > The accent colors are up for discussion. If we want to avoid any of the local university colors, maybe teal (bottom) would be better than the red. > > This is all vector art, adapted from a free font called "Eyelevation Pro": > http://www.dafont.com/eyelevation-pro.font > http://aleksandershevchuk.ru/Free-Fonts > > =jimA= > > Jim Allman > Interrobang Digital Media > http://www.ibang.com/ > (919) 649-5760 > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org (mailto:TriZPUG at python.org) > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric.leary at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 04:56:35 2012 From: eric.leary at gmail.com (Eric Leary) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 20:56:35 -0600 Subject: [TriZPUG] Project Night Recap - Look What I Made! In-Reply-To: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> References: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> Message-ID: Like Julia, I like this triskelion very much as well. Very much indeed. I'd put stickers of this on my laptop, or my car for sure. Possibly my first tattoo. I hope to see this approach developed. For my unsophisticated eye, this is very close to ready. If a python prompt fits within this process, that would be cool, but I prefer simple, just the way it is. Thanks for sharing it. Eric Leary On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Jim Allman wrote: > On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Mark Lavin wrote: > > Anyone else want to show off what they worked on? > > I was working on logo ideas for TriPython. Here's my best shot so far: > http://imgur.com/NHnDH > > The look is retro-70's "supergraphics", with a triskelion (treskel) that > works as an independent emblem or as part of the logotype. > > The accent colors are up for discussion. If we want to avoid any of the > local university colors, maybe teal (bottom) would be better than the red. > > This is all vector art, adapted from a free font called "Eyelevation Pro": > http://www.dafont.com/eyelevation-pro.font > http://aleksandershevchuk.ru/Free-Fonts > > =jimA= > > Jim Allman > Interrobang Digital Media > http://www.ibang.com/ > (919) 649-5760 > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -- Science is the establishment of expectations. Art is the manipulation of expectations. Justice is the fulfillment of expectations. Expectations are patterns of mind. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ironfroggy at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 05:00:13 2012 From: ironfroggy at gmail.com (Calvin Spealman) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 23:00:13 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Project Night Recap - Look What I Made! In-Reply-To: <8A53E8FA9D654E6E90E51F943FBDC08C@gmail.com> References: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> <8A53E8FA9D654E6E90E51F943FBDC08C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Agree with Julio on all counts. That snake symbol is great on its own and in connection with the full logo. Any chance you can share the original vector versions? On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Julia Elman wrote: > That is awesome work Jim! I really like the font choice and the 3 snakes. > Very well done. > > I think it might be hard for folks to understand that the "n" is a snake? Or > maybe it's just throwing me off a bit. What do you think about moving the 3 > snakes in front of "tripython" instead? > > Also, I like the green color scheme you have on the bottom 3 snakes. Seems > more inviting and it won't allude to any school affiliations. > > > Sent with Sparrow > > On Thursday, August 9, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Jim Allman wrote: > > On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Mark Lavin wrote: > > Anyone else want to show off what they worked on? > > > I was working on logo ideas for TriPython. Here's my best shot so far: > http://imgur.com/NHnDH > > The look is retro-70's "supergraphics", with a triskelion (treskel) that > works as an independent emblem or as part of the logotype. > > The accent colors are up for discussion. If we want to avoid any of the > local university colors, maybe teal (bottom) would be better than the red. > > This is all vector art, adapted from a free font called "Eyelevation Pro": > http://www.dafont.com/eyelevation-pro.font > http://aleksandershevchuk.ru/Free-Fonts > > =jimA= > > Jim Allman > Interrobang Digital Media > http://www.ibang.com/ > (919) 649-5760 > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group -- Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy From julia.elman at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 14:25:16 2012 From: julia.elman at gmail.com (Julia Elman) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:25:16 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Project Night Recap - Look What I Made! In-Reply-To: References: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> <8A53E8FA9D654E6E90E51F943FBDC08C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Who is Julio? ;) Sent with Sparrow (http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/?sig) On Thursday, August 9, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > Agree with Julio on all counts. That snake symbol is great on its own > and in connection with the full logo. Any chance you can share the > original vector versions? > > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Julia Elman wrote: > > That is awesome work Jim! I really like the font choice and the 3 snakes. > > Very well done. > > > > I think it might be hard for folks to understand that the "n" is a snake? Or > > maybe it's just throwing me off a bit. What do you think about moving the 3 > > snakes in front of "tripython" instead? > > > > Also, I like the green color scheme you have on the bottom 3 snakes. Seems > > more inviting and it won't allude to any school affiliations. > > > > > > Sent with Sparrow > > > > On Thursday, August 9, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Jim Allman wrote: > > > > On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Mark Lavin wrote: > > > > Anyone else want to show off what they worked on? > > > > > > I was working on logo ideas for TriPython. Here's my best shot so far: > > http://imgur.com/NHnDH > > > > The look is retro-70's "supergraphics", with a triskelion (treskel) that > > works as an independent emblem or as part of the logotype. > > > > The accent colors are up for discussion. If we want to avoid any of the > > local university colors, maybe teal (bottom) would be better than the red. > > > > This is all vector art, adapted from a free font called "Eyelevation Pro": > > http://www.dafont.com/eyelevation-pro.font > > http://aleksandershevchuk.ru/Free-Fonts > > > > =jimA= > > > > Jim Allman > > Interrobang Digital Media > > http://www.ibang.com/ > > (919) 649-5760 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > > TriZPUG at python.org (mailto:TriZPUG at python.org) > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > > TriZPUG at python.org (mailto:TriZPUG at python.org) > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > > > -- > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org (mailto:TriZPUG at python.org) > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lionface.lemonface at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 14:39:50 2012 From: lionface.lemonface at gmail.com (Josh Johnson) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:39:50 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Project Night Recap - Look What I Made! In-Reply-To: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> References: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> Message-ID: +1 And a +2 just for using the word 'logotype' in common speech. :D JJ On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Jim Allman wrote: > On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Mark Lavin wrote: >> Anyone else want to show off what they worked on? > > I was working on logo ideas for TriPython. Here's my best shot so far: > http://imgur.com/NHnDH > > The look is retro-70's "supergraphics", with a triskelion (treskel) that works as an independent emblem or as part of the logotype. > > The accent colors are up for discussion. If we want to avoid any of the local university colors, maybe teal (bottom) would be better than the red. > > This is all vector art, adapted from a free font called "Eyelevation Pro": > http://www.dafont.com/eyelevation-pro.font > http://aleksandershevchuk.ru/Free-Fonts > > =jimA= > > Jim Allman > Interrobang Digital Media > http://www.ibang.com/ > (919) 649-5760 > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group From cbc at unc.edu Fri Aug 10 16:52:45 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:52:45 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Project Night Recap - Look What I Made! In-Reply-To: <8A53E8FA9D654E6E90E51F943FBDC08C@gmail.com> References: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> <8A53E8FA9D654E6E90E51F943FBDC08C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5025203D.3060906@unc.edu> On 8/9/2012 10:29 PM, Julia Elman wrote: > I think it might be hard for folks to understand that the "n" is a > snake? What if the snakes had "eyes," that is, were transparent where eyes would be and in the shape of Python eyes. I'm sure there's a graphics word for that technique of cropping out an interior shape. Anyway, that would keep is as a silhouette and, you know, it's all about the silhouette. :) I just know Jim worked hard to find fonts which would integrate with the triskelion that was discussed at the March meeting. By giving the snakes eyes, it would make it more obvious that the "n" is a snake. Also, I know this is a rough, so I'm sure you've already seen this. The circle that makes the snake heads distinctive as heads is slightly off center. Although, it's off center in way that might be intentional, as the weighted side is towards the outside of the triskelion, suggesting centrifugal force. Sorry, I just have this weird symmetry obsession that causes me to hang up these things. Like, I get really upset when my code isn't in patterns. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From jessebikman at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 17:35:48 2012 From: jessebikman at gmail.com (Jesse) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:35:48 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Project Night Recap - Look What I Made! In-Reply-To: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> References: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> Message-ID: This is my favorite so far, really awesome. I would keep the snakes separate from the text, though. On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Jim Allman wrote: > On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Mark Lavin wrote: > > Anyone else want to show off what they worked on? > > I was working on logo ideas for TriPython. Here's my best shot so far: > http://imgur.com/NHnDH > > The look is retro-70's "supergraphics", with a triskelion (treskel) that > works as an independent emblem or as part of the logotype. > > The accent colors are up for discussion. If we want to avoid any of the > local university colors, maybe teal (bottom) would be better than the red. > > This is all vector art, adapted from a free font called "Eyelevation Pro": > http://www.dafont.com/eyelevation-pro.font > http://aleksandershevchuk.ru/Free-Fonts > > =jimA= > > Jim Allman > Interrobang Digital Media > http://www.ibang.com/ > (919) 649-5760 > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -- Jesse Bikman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tristan at caltech.edu Fri Aug 10 18:00:33 2012 From: tristan at caltech.edu (Tristan) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:00:33 -0700 Subject: [TriZPUG] Project Night Recap - Look What I Made! In-Reply-To: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> References: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> Message-ID: <20120810160033.GA7240@teckla.idyll.org> I'm no snake expert, but the wider lobs at the back of the heads suggest venomous snake to me. Maybe a more rounded, oval-is head? Otherwise pretty cool. Tristan On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 10:23:38PM -0400, Jim Allman wrote: > On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Mark Lavin wrote: > > Anyone else want to show off what they worked on? > > I was working on logo ideas for TriPython. Here's my best shot so far: > http://imgur.com/NHnDH > > The look is retro-70's "supergraphics", with a triskelion (treskel) that works as an independent emblem or as part of the logotype. > > The accent colors are up for discussion. If we want to avoid any of the local university colors, maybe teal (bottom) would be better than the red. > > This is all vector art, adapted from a free font called "Eyelevation Pro": > http://www.dafont.com/eyelevation-pro.font > http://aleksandershevchuk.ru/Free-Fonts > > =jimA= > > Jim Allman > Interrobang Digital Media > http://www.ibang.com/ > (919) 649-5760 > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group From jim at ibang.com Fri Aug 10 18:26:28 2012 From: jim at ibang.com (Jim Allman) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:26:28 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Project Night Recap - Look What I Made! In-Reply-To: <20120810160033.GA7240@teckla.idyll.org> References: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> <20120810160033.GA7240@teckla.idyll.org> Message-ID: Thanks for your comments, everyone! Glad to hear this is a good direction. I'll take another look at python anatomy and ways to clarify the snake shapes. I've been working on this in Flash (not Inkscape, sorry) since it makes it *really* easy to edit vectors in the triskelion with immediate feedback on all three sides. I believe I can export to .ai and some other vector formats, so we should be able to get this into whatever archival format is best. I'll post the earlier drafts tonight, so y'all can see some alternatives and roads not taken. =jimA= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbc at unc.edu Fri Aug 10 18:51:56 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:51:56 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Project Night Recap - Look What I Made! In-Reply-To: <20120810160033.GA7240@teckla.idyll.org> References: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> <20120810160033.GA7240@teckla.idyll.org> Message-ID: <50253C2C.4080005@unc.edu> On 8/10/2012 12:00 PM, Tristan wrote: > I'm no snake expert, but the wider lobs at the back of the heads suggest > venomous snake to me. Maybe a more rounded, oval-is head? Otherwise > pretty cool. This is the one thing that has always bothered me about Python logos, the fact that there are always snakes involved. Do I really want snakes in my code? And I really hate snakes. Icko. Yet, it's hard to get away from. Snakes have become recognizably associated with Python visually. I was hanging some with Jim while he was working on the logo at project night. At that time the snake heads were just circles, and I understood them less as snakes at the point. I suggested to Jim that the circles be elongated to look like snake heads, which he did and then I could get them as snakes. The way he elongated them was to look like actual python heads, which have a very identifiable silhouette: http://pycon.ca/ http://www.naturephoto-cz.com/photos/sevcik/rock-python--python-molurus.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_F-afRliGhnA/TQpZpreld9I/AAAAAAAAAQE/JjYcWablNmw/s320/GreenPythonSnake.jpg Now, the thing is, python snakes are actually not venomous. The do their damage by constricting. But, of course, if you hate snakes as much as I do, this is not what you are thinking about when looking at a python. Nonvenomous is not conveyed as a message. It just looks menacing and dangerous. Like something that is going to squeeze the life out of me and my code. So I went and looked at a bunch of pictures of nonvenomous snakes: http://www.stewart.army.mil/dpw/fish/nonvenomous_snakes.htm And you know, their heads all come in two shapes: a) arrowhead-like, like the python's, and b) nubs, like no shape at all, just a tapering of the body at the end. There were some where the nubs were a little fatter, like a rounder arrowhead or a half-oval. But there were no just plain oval heads. But some of the most venomous snakes of all have nub heads. Snakes are just menacing period. And so I think an oval head would be less identifiable as a snake than the snake head-like shape. Snakes don't have oval heads, so we don't think of snake when we see an oval at the end of a segment. It would be more like when the heads were just circles and I couldn't tell they were snakes. And I think that by now, there are so many Python as snake visual metaphors out there, that we've come to some sort of "friendly snake" shapes: http://www.allfreevectors.com/images/Free%20Vector%20Snake%20Friendly654.jpg http://www.how-to-draw-cartoons-online.com/image-files/cartoon_snake.gif like the official Python logo where the snakes are kind of abstracted or cartoon-ified. It's a way to take menacing and turn it in your favor, such that a silhouette of a python head has kind of lost its menace, especially when you realize that, oh, it's the Python >language<, not something that's going to kill me (or is it?) A way to abstract a python head silhouette might be to make it an oval. But I would have to see that. If Jim is working by committee, I'd wanna see it side by side. Because when it was a circle, it looked more like a silhouette of something else I won't mention here, but somebody else picked right up on that. Changing it to a python silhouette made the unfortunate association go away. Did I say that in a non-threatening your-ideas-are-valid-too kind of way? I hope so. Because I agree about the basic sentiment of snakes not being the best mascots. Jim had advised me on a new PyCamp logo (one that doesn't look like a boot in your face), and all I asked was that it not have snakes. But I think snakes have become kind of unavoidable when thinking visually about Python. And snakes pair up nicely with triskelions. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From jessebikman at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 19:00:26 2012 From: jessebikman at gmail.com (Jesse) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:00:26 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Project Night Recap - Look What I Made! In-Reply-To: <50253C2C.4080005@unc.edu> References: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> <20120810160033.GA7240@teckla.idyll.org> <50253C2C.4080005@unc.edu> Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL3ZIc5IL2w&feature=player_detailpage#t=12s On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: > On 8/10/2012 12:00 PM, Tristan wrote: > >> I'm no snake expert, but the wider lobs at the back of the heads suggest >> venomous snake to me. Maybe a more rounded, oval-is head? Otherwise >> pretty cool. >> > > This is the one thing that has always bothered me about Python logos, the > fact that there are always snakes involved. Do I really want snakes in my > code? And I really hate snakes. Icko. Yet, it's hard to get away from. > Snakes have become recognizably associated with Python visually. > > I was hanging some with Jim while he was working on the logo at project > night. At that time the snake heads were just circles, and I understood > them less as snakes at the point. I suggested to Jim that the circles be > elongated to look like snake heads, which he did and then I could get them > as snakes. The way he elongated them was to look like actual python heads, > which have a very identifiable silhouette: > > http://pycon.ca/ > http://www.naturephoto-cz.com/**photos/sevcik/rock-python--** > python-molurus.jpg > http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_F-**afRliGhnA/TQpZpreld9I/** > AAAAAAAAAQE/JjYcWablNmw/s320/**GreenPythonSnake.jpg > > Now, the thing is, python snakes are actually not venomous. The do their > damage by constricting. But, of course, if you hate snakes as much as I do, > this is not what you are thinking about when looking at a python. > Nonvenomous is not conveyed as a message. It just looks menacing and > dangerous. Like something that is going to squeeze the life out of me and > my code. > > So I went and looked at a bunch of pictures of nonvenomous snakes: > > http://www.stewart.army.mil/**dpw/fish/nonvenomous_snakes.**htm > > And you know, their heads all come in two shapes: > > a) arrowhead-like, like the python's, and > b) nubs, like no shape at all, just a tapering of the body at the end. > > There were some where the nubs were a little fatter, like a rounder > arrowhead or a half-oval. But there were no just plain oval heads. But some > of the most venomous snakes of all have nub heads. Snakes are just menacing > period. > > And so I think an oval head would be less identifiable as a snake than the > snake head-like shape. Snakes don't have oval heads, so we don't think of > snake when we see an oval at the end of a segment. It would be more like > when the heads were just circles and I couldn't tell they were snakes. > > And I think that by now, there are so many Python as snake visual > metaphors out there, that we've come to some sort of "friendly snake" > shapes: > > http://www.allfreevectors.com/**images/Free%20Vector%20Snake%** > 20Friendly654.jpg > http://www.how-to-draw-**cartoons-online.com/image-** > files/cartoon_snake.gif > > like the official Python logo where the snakes are kind of abstracted or > cartoon-ified. It's a way to take menacing and turn it in your favor, such > that a silhouette of a python head has kind of lost its menace, especially > when you realize that, oh, it's the Python >language<, not something that's > going to kill me (or is it?) > > A way to abstract a python head silhouette might be to make it an oval. > But I would have to see that. If Jim is working by committee, I'd wanna see > it side by side. Because when it was a circle, it looked more like a > silhouette of something else I won't mention here, but somebody else picked > right up on that. Changing it to a python silhouette made the unfortunate > association go away. > > Did I say that in a non-threatening your-ideas-are-valid-too kind of way? > I hope so. Because I agree about the basic sentiment of snakes not being > the best mascots. Jim had advised me on a new PyCamp logo (one that doesn't > look like a boot in your face), and all I asked was that it not have > snakes. But I think snakes have become kind of unavoidable when thinking > visually about Python. And snakes pair up nicely with triskelions. > > > -- > Sincerely, > > Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc > office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 > mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 > ______________________________**_________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -- Jesse Bikman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From magnus at yonderway.com Fri Aug 10 21:40:55 2012 From: magnus at yonderway.com (magnus at yonderway.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:40:55 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Project Night Recap - Look What I Made! In-Reply-To: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> References: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> Message-ID: <490294666c699242ff095d4fc19c1f62@yonderway.com> While I am a fan of ophidians (snakes), others seem to be bothered by the theme, and it's true that it's more than a bit played out. But not all Pythons are snakes... Are we not geeks? And now for something completely different... -M From lgtateos at ncsu.edu Sat Aug 11 15:55:06 2012 From: lgtateos at ncsu.edu (Laura Tateosian) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 09:55:06 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Project Night Recap - Look What I Made! In-Reply-To: <490294666c699242ff095d4fc19c1f62@yonderway.com> References: <633CC9C2-EDEA-4E7C-A29D-1DA9CEE4D867@ibang.com> <490294666c699242ff095d4fc19c1f62@yonderway.com> Message-ID: <5026643A.7080605@ncsu.edu> "Our task must be to free ourselves by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty." -Albert Einstein Laura Tateosian Research Assistant Professor Center for Earth Observation North Carolina State University http://www4.ncsu.edu/~lgtateos/ On 8/10/2012 3:40 PM, magnus at yonderway.com wrote: > While I am a fan of ophidians (snakes), others seem to be bothered by the > theme, and it's true that it's more than a bit played out. > > But not all Pythons are snakes... > > Are we not geeks? > > And now for something completely different... > > -M > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group From cbc at unc.edu Wed Aug 15 00:36:54 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:36:54 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Chipin for Sea Sprint Message-ID: <502AD306.3060302@unc.edu> Hey, I want to let you know about a sprint that's being organized by a couple of TriZPUGers: Andy Leeb and Ian Anderson. I'm helping them out a little because I believe in their idea. It's called "Sea Sprint" and it takes place Sept 21-24 on Oak Island, NC. Andy and Ian have completely underwritten the housing for all the sprinters. Yeah, I know, very nice of them. They are pretty much princes. The purpose of Sea Sprint is to put some crazy sophisticated technology called "Deco" into upcoming Plone releases. Deco brings TTW drag and drop layout of content "tiles" to Plone sites. Deco has been more than three years in the making. It's ridiculously awesome, a truly killer app in the classic sense. This sprint is the last step in getting Deco pipelined into Plone releases and thereby into the one-click installers. Because this sprint is highly technical, it's an invitational sprint. And because it's on the white sand beaches of North Carolina, it's drawn the top shelf of Plone talent from all over the world. That was the strategy: if the sprint is on a nice beach, the top dogs will come. It worked like a whistle. Because so many of the right invitees to the sprint accepted and because the sprint is about getting this killer app into Plone production, the Plone Foundation has designated Sea Sprint as a "strategic" sprint. That means the foundation endorses the sprint, acts as the sprint's financial agent, and has funded the travel for one of the sprint's technical leaders from Slovenia. Yeah, I know, very nice of them, too. Despite a huge financial investment from a number of sponsors (including TriZPUG, because I kicked in the last of the PyCamp funds for this year), there's still a short ways to go in making the sprint pay for itself. The Plone Foundation has set up a Chipin page to accept donations to the sprint: http://seasprint2012.chipin.com All donations go directly to the Plone Foundation. The Plone Foundation is a not-for-profit corporation recognized as a tax-exempt 501(c)(3) charitable organization. As such, your donation is tax-deductible to the extent allowed by law. I'm just leaving this here because some of you previously have been generous when we've had donations pages for sprints. I thank you for any assistance rendered now or in the past. This is all I'm going to post about this sprint to this list. You can keep up with the sprint progress by following blog posts on http://planet.plone.org and http://planet.trizpug.org. Andy, Ian, and I will be giving a sprint report-out at the 10th Plone Conference in Arnhem, The Netherlands, October 8-14. I imagine that will pop-up on blip.tv and slideshare at some point after the conference. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From nathan.alexander.rice at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 20:31:00 2012 From: nathan.alexander.rice at gmail.com (Nathan Rice) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:31:00 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Python NLTK/data mining/machine learning project of public research data, anyone interested? Message-ID: Hi All, Normally, my projects are pretty boring, and I prefer to endure the suffering in solitary silence. As luck would have it though, I actually have an interesting project on my plate currently, and I think it is cool enough that I wanted to give other people the opportunity to stick their noses in and provide input or play with some code. I am currently involved in compiling a database of medical data (published clinical or pre-clinical trials) surrounding ethno- and alternative- medicinal treatments, for semi-automated meta analysis and treatment guidance. In order for this to work, a lot of technical challenges have to be overcome: My initial tally from PubMed puts the number of articles at over 70,000; based on visual inspection, many of these are not actually applicable, but there are limited filtering options via the Entrez web API. Machine learning techniques would probably be very helpful at scoring articles for applicability, and ignoring ones that are clearly inapplicable. In order to perform meta-analysis and treatment guidance, the article needs to be mined for treatment, condition, circumstances of treatment and condition, and whether it was successful or not (with some p value and sample size). Most of this is not available as standard metadata for the studies, and must be mined from the text. In addition, not all studies are equal. Methodological errors, lack of reproduciblity, and so forth can all render a study meaningless. Thus, studies must have a scoring mechanism so you can avoid tainting meta-analyses with biased data. This scoring mechanism will probably include the impact factor of the journal, the g/h-index of the authors, the number of (non self) citations, etc. As you can see, each of these is meaty, and all of them need to be taken care of to get good results :) If anyone is interested in getting some serious natural language processing/data mining/machine learning practice, I'd love to involve you. There's no reason I should have all the fun! Take care, Nathan Rice From nathan.alexander.rice at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 22:56:08 2012 From: nathan.alexander.rice at gmail.com (Nathan Rice) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:56:08 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Python NLTK/data mining/machine learning project of public research data, anyone interested? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Jesse wrote: > I don't know how helpful I'd be, but I'd like to at least check out what > you're doing. I just started programming in Python last month. When could > this happen? Are you near Chapel Hill? I work at UNC. I could demonstrate some stuff at a hack night. I'm still in the planning stages for most of the stuff; I have the pubmed extraction code pretty well nailed, and I have a solid outline for the article disqualification (create a feature vector out of topic and abstract bigrams, MeSH subject headings and journal, use a SVM discriminator and manually generate a RoC curve to determine the cutoff score) but I'm still very up in the air regarding NL extraction of things like sample size, significance, etc. If you'd like to learn more I would of course be happy to go over my thoughts on the matter and we can play around with some code. Nathan From jessebikman at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 23:17:42 2012 From: jessebikman at gmail.com (Jesse) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:17:42 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Python NLTK/data mining/machine learning project of public research data, anyone interested? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll keep the next hack night on my radar, this is an interesting project. On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Nathan Rice < nathan.alexander.rice at gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Jesse wrote: > > I don't know how helpful I'd be, but I'd like to at least check out what > > you're doing. I just started programming in Python last month. When could > > this happen? Are you near Chapel Hill? > > I work at UNC. I could demonstrate some stuff at a hack night. I'm > still in the planning stages for most of the stuff; I have the pubmed > extraction code pretty well nailed, and I have a solid outline for the > article disqualification (create a feature vector out of topic and > abstract bigrams, MeSH subject headings and journal, use a SVM > discriminator and manually generate a RoC curve to determine the > cutoff score) but I'm still very up in the air regarding NL extraction > of things like sample size, significance, etc. If you'd like to learn > more I would of course be happy to go over my thoughts on the matter > and we can play around with some code. > > Nathan > -- Jesse Bikman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nathan.alexander.rice at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 17:47:47 2012 From: nathan.alexander.rice at gmail.com (Nathan Rice) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:47:47 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Python NLTK/data mining/machine learning project of public research data, anyone interested? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi James, The standard way to deal with text in analysis is n-grams. An n-gram is an ordered set of words, of length "n" generated by moving a sliding window over the words of the text. An example will be the easiest way to make this clear; the bi-grams for "the dog jumped over the moon" would be [(None, "the"), ("the", "dog"), ("dog", "jumped"), ("jumped", "over"), ("over", "the"), ("the", "moon"), ("moon", None)]. Typically text is pre-processed to remove common words like the, a, it, is, etc. The size of n in the n-gram is highly dependent on the size of your text corpora - if you have a lot of training text, larger values can work for n, but if you don't have a lot of examples you want to stick with 2. This basically transforms the text into a vector of n-gram counts, and lets you use a host of linear algebraic techniques. In some instances, the feature vector generated from n-gram counts has a dimensionality reduction step performed on it; the most common technique is called latent semantic indexing. This is just a fancy name for taking the collection of n-gram count vectors, bundling them up into a matrix, and taking the singular value decomposition of that matrix in order to factorize it into a feature (with features represented by unique vector) matrix, a variance distribution matrix (which is diagonal) and a feature weight matrix. Once you have your reduced dimensionality announcement corpora, you will probably want to create a generative model for the price of the stock as a function of its prior price points (thus an autoregressive model) along with some new impulse that results from the information vector. Neural networks such as the restricted boltzmann machine tend to work well for this, as do gaussian processes (watch out, O(n^3)) and various other kernel based methods. I would probably start with a simple ARIMA model for which ample source code and modules are available and work your way up to the good stuff as you get more comfortable. The continuous time dependence with limited trading windows of this model is the main complicating factor, otherwise it is pretty straightforward. Take care, Nathan On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 10:27 AM, James Whisnant wrote: > Nathan - sounds like a very interesting. I saw your previous talk about > symbolic math which was interesting (although above my math skills). I have > also been looking at nltk for a project I am thinking about. I was also > looking at using nltk for meaning extraction from a list of company news > releases, starting first with meaning extraction to start with for earnings > reports. Firstly converting the text to a standard format for analysis. > > I would be interested in advice on the best way to do the math, and what > math needs be done. I always say that "I like math, but math doesn't like > me". Sounds like we have some overlapping goals with nltk. > > Being able to determine later something like - 80% of the time when a > company put out a release that says "leveraging synergies" (n=30 - number of > companies) - their stock value decreases by 5% (std_dev=1%) within 4 hours > afterwards. So maybe I should short the company's stock and try to profit > when they just announce they are to going to "leverage synergies". But that > is a goal for later. > > I will keep it on my hack night radar also. > > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Jesse wrote: >> >> I'll keep the next hack night on my radar, this is an interesting project. >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Nathan Rice >> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Jesse wrote: >>> > I don't know how helpful I'd be, but I'd like to at least check out >>> > what >>> > you're doing. I just started programming in Python last month. When >>> > could >>> > this happen? Are you near Chapel Hill? >>> >>> I work at UNC. I could demonstrate some stuff at a hack night. I'm >>> still in the planning stages for most of the stuff; I have the pubmed >>> extraction code pretty well nailed, and I have a solid outline for the >>> article disqualification (create a feature vector out of topic and >>> abstract bigrams, MeSH subject headings and journal, use a SVM >>> discriminator and manually generate a RoC curve to determine the >>> cutoff score) but I'm still very up in the air regarding NL extraction >>> of things like sample size, significance, etc. If you'd like to learn >>> more I would of course be happy to go over my thoughts on the matter >>> and we can play around with some code. >>> >>> Nathan >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jesse Bikman >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TriZPUG mailing list >> TriZPUG at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > From jim at ibang.com Mon Aug 20 03:52:37 2012 From: jim at ibang.com (Jim Allman) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:52:37 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Revised TriPython logos (comments welcome) Message-ID: Based on the feedback so far, I've made some revisions (see legend below). These are best viewed in the full-size image: http://imgur.com/Q2C6h http://i.imgur.com/Q2C6h.png It's kind of a jumble, so look for the little blue letters... (a) simplifed logo w/ proper python head; (b) alternate (subtler) snake in final 'n'; (c) no snake elements in logotype; (d) a separate triskelion seal; (e) previous version for comparison; (f) previous integrated triskelion, w/ new python head shape; (g) older logo, unmodified letter-forms in "Tri"; (h) original version, with abstract (circular) heads. My current favorite is (a), with (c) as an alternative for the ophidiophobic. =jimA= Jim Allman Interrobang Digital Media http://www.ibang.com/ (919) 649-5760 From chris at archimedeanco.com Mon Aug 20 04:49:45 2012 From: chris at archimedeanco.com (Chris Rossi) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:49:45 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Revised TriPython logos (comments welcome) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I prefer C. Thanks for making these. Chris On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Jim Allman wrote: > Based on the feedback so far, I've made some revisions (see legend below). These are best viewed in the full-size image: > > http://imgur.com/Q2C6h > http://i.imgur.com/Q2C6h.png > > > It's kind of a jumble, so look for the little blue letters... > > (a) simplifed logo w/ proper python head; > > (b) alternate (subtler) snake in final 'n'; > > (c) no snake elements in logotype; > > (d) a separate triskelion seal; > > (e) previous version for comparison; > > (f) previous integrated triskelion, w/ new python head shape; > > (g) older logo, unmodified letter-forms in "Tri"; > > (h) original version, with abstract (circular) heads. > > > My current favorite is (a), with (c) as an alternative for the ophidiophobic. > > =jimA= > > Jim Allman > Interrobang Digital Media > http://www.ibang.com/ > (919) 649-5760 > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group From ncdave4life at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 14:47:09 2012 From: ncdave4life at gmail.com (David Burton) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:47:09 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Revised TriPython logos (comments welcome) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, C is nice, maybe my 2nd choice. But I think A is my first choice. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Chris Rossi wrote: > I prefer C. > > Thanks for making these. > > Chris > > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Jim Allman wrote: > > Based on the feedback so far, I've made some revisions (see legend > below). These are best viewed in the full-size image: > > > > http://imgur.com/Q2C6h > > http://i.imgur.com/Q2C6h.png > > > > > > It's kind of a jumble, so look for the little blue letters... > > > > (a) simplifed logo w/ proper python head; > > > > (b) alternate (subtler) snake in final 'n'; > > > > (c) no snake elements in logotype; > > > > (d) a separate triskelion seal; > > > > (e) previous version for comparison; > > > > (f) previous integrated triskelion, w/ new python head shape; > > > > (g) older logo, unmodified letter-forms in "Tri"; > > > > (h) original version, with abstract (circular) heads. > > > > > > My current favorite is (a), with (c) as an alternative for the > ophidiophobic. > > > > =jimA= > > > > Jim Allman > > Interrobang Digital Media > > http://www.ibang.com/ > > (919) 649-5760 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > > TriZPUG at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tristan at caltech.edu Mon Aug 20 17:20:59 2012 From: tristan at caltech.edu (Tristan) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:20:59 -0700 Subject: [TriZPUG] Revised TriPython logos (comments welcome) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120820152058.GA1429@teckla.idyll.org> C is good, I personally like keeping the name clean and simple, and have D as a separate element that can be placed wherever in relation to the name as the context dictates. That makes it all modular and suchlike ;) Tristan On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 08:47:09AM -0400, David Burton wrote: > Yes, C is nice, maybe my 2nd choice. > But I think A is my first choice. > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Chris Rossi wrote: > > > I prefer C. > > > > Thanks for making these. > > > > Chris > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Jim Allman wrote: > > > Based on the feedback so far, I've made some revisions (see legend > > below). These are best viewed in the full-size image: > > > > > > http://imgur.com/Q2C6h > > > http://i.imgur.com/Q2C6h.png > > > > > > > > > It's kind of a jumble, so look for the little blue letters... > > > > > > (a) simplifed logo w/ proper python head; > > > > > > (b) alternate (subtler) snake in final 'n'; > > > > > > (c) no snake elements in logotype; > > > > > > (d) a separate triskelion seal; > > > > > > (e) previous version for comparison; > > > > > > (f) previous integrated triskelion, w/ new python head shape; > > > > > > (g) older logo, unmodified letter-forms in "Tri"; > > > > > > (h) original version, with abstract (circular) heads. > > > > > > > > > My current favorite is (a), with (c) as an alternative for the > > ophidiophobic. > > > > > > =jimA= > > > > > > Jim Allman > > > Interrobang Digital Media > > > http://www.ibang.com/ > > > (919) 649-5760 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TriZPUG mailing list > > > TriZPUG at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > > TriZPUG at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group From cbc at unc.edu Mon Aug 20 18:34:07 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:34:07 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Revised TriPython logos (comments welcome) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <503266FF.8060809@unc.edu> On 8/19/2012 9:52 PM, Jim Allman wrote: > (a) simplifed logo w/ proper python head; I like that best. > (c) as an alternative for the ophidiophobic. After I expressed my distaste for snakes last week, I turned off my office lights as I left for the day. Right above the light switch was this painting, the only painting in my office, which I purchased from local artist Emily Weinstein about one year ago: http://trizpug.org/Members/cbc/magicgarden.jpg Does not compute. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From jessebikman at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 18:58:29 2012 From: jessebikman at gmail.com (Jesse) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:58:29 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Revised TriPython logos (comments welcome) In-Reply-To: <503266FF.8060809@unc.edu> References: <503266FF.8060809@unc.edu> Message-ID: A all the way. Slick! On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: > On 8/19/2012 9:52 PM, Jim Allman wrote: > >> (a) simplifed logo w/ proper python head; >> > > I like that best. > > > (c) as an alternative for the ophidiophobic. >> > > After I expressed my distaste for snakes last week, I turned off my office > lights as I left for the day. Right above the light switch was this > painting, the only painting in my office, which I purchased from local > artist Emily Weinstein about one year ago: > > http://trizpug.org/Members/**cbc/magicgarden.jpg > > Does not compute. > > -- > Sincerely, > > Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc > office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 > mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 > > ______________________________**_________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -- Jesse Bikman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 8/9/2012 2:33 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: > When: Thursday, August 23, 7pm > > Where: WebAssign, NCSU Centennial Campus, > 1791 Varsity Drive, Suite 200, Raleigh > > https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=1791+Varsity+Drive+Suite+200+27606 > > What: Mark Lavin, Django developer extraordinaire at Caktus Consulting > Group, will present his upcoming DjangoCon 2012 talk, "Maintaining Your > Sanity While Maintaining Your Open Source App." There will likely be > discussion of preparations for the upcoming PyCarolinas conference, too. > Extemporaneous "lightning talks" of 5-10 minute duration are also > welcome as always. Please join us at our first meeting at WebAssign and > share your Python experiences. Plenty of free after hours parking will > be available in the adjacent Centennial Campus decks. An after-meeting > location for food and beverage will be decided at the meeting. > -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From nfoster at caktusgroup.com Tue Aug 21 22:25:50 2012 From: nfoster at caktusgroup.com (Nicole Foster) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:25:50 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Caktus is hiring a Web Project Manager Message-ID: Caktus is currently looking for a Web Project Manager. Submit your application today and join our awesome team: http://www.caktusgroup.com/careers/web-project-manager/ Or if you know someone who may be a great fit, please pass along this opportunity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rymndflk at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 15:08:51 2012 From: rymndflk at gmail.com (Raymond Falk) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:08:51 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG Digest, Vol 52, Issue 32 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello All (Nathan Rice, in particular), I am also interested in this Python NLTK/data mining/machine learning project of public research data. I am relatively new to Python and have found integration of existing classes and methods less than graceful in assimilating modifications on the fly. I did just download NLTK. Much work to do. On the data mining front, one important consideration is the segregation of plausibly independent training and validation data sets, particularly as linkages via various criteria for association is a target of the modeling endeavor. I suggest seeding a collection of 'distant' documents, selecting neighborhoods of each, and then train on one and validate on the other. Varying the threshold distances and investigating the goodness of (over)fitting may illuminate the propensity for overfitting. Nota Bene: as a mathematical fact, finite samples are theoretically unable to replicate scale-free networks (which are typical of citation-type association models) so this may remain awkward. Also, assimilating defaults for unobserved categories of association is critical. Ray Falk On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:00 AM, wrote: > Send TriZPUG mailing list submissions to > trizpug at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > trizpug-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > trizpug-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of TriZPUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Python NLTK/data mining/machine learning project of > public research data, anyone interested? (Nathan Rice) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:47:47 -0400 > From: Nathan Rice > To: James Whisnant , "Triangle (North Carolina) > Zope and Python Users Group" > Subject: Re: [TriZPUG] Python NLTK/data mining/machine learning > project of public research data, anyone interested? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi James, > > The standard way to deal with text in analysis is n-grams. An n-gram > is an ordered set of words, of length "n" generated by moving a > sliding window over the words of the text. An example will be the > easiest way to make this clear; the bi-grams for "the dog jumped over > the moon" would be [(None, "the"), ("the", "dog"), ("dog", "jumped"), > ("jumped", "over"), ("over", "the"), ("the", "moon"), ("moon", None)]. > Typically text is pre-processed to remove common words like the, a, > it, is, etc. The size of n in the n-gram is highly dependent on the > size of your text corpora - if you have a lot of training text, larger > values can work for n, but if you don't have a lot of examples you > want to stick with 2. This basically transforms the text into a > vector of n-gram counts, and lets you use a host of linear algebraic > techniques. In some instances, the feature vector generated from > n-gram counts has a dimensionality reduction step performed on it; the > most common technique is called latent semantic indexing. This is > just a fancy name for taking the collection of n-gram count vectors, > bundling them up into a matrix, and taking the singular value > decomposition of that matrix in order to factorize it into a feature > (with features represented by unique vector) matrix, a variance > distribution matrix (which is diagonal) and a feature weight matrix. > > Once you have your reduced dimensionality announcement corpora, you > will probably want to create a generative model for the price of the > stock as a function of its prior price points (thus an autoregressive > model) along with some new impulse that results from the information > vector. Neural networks such as the restricted boltzmann machine tend > to work well for this, as do gaussian processes (watch out, O(n^3)) > and various other kernel based methods. I would probably start with a > simple ARIMA model for which ample source code and modules are > available and work your way up to the good stuff as you get more > comfortable. The continuous time dependence with limited trading > windows of this model is the main complicating factor, otherwise it is > pretty straightforward. > > Take care, > > Nathan > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 10:27 AM, James Whisnant wrote: >> Nathan - sounds like a very interesting. I saw your previous talk about >> symbolic math which was interesting (although above my math skills). I have >> also been looking at nltk for a project I am thinking about. I was also >> looking at using nltk for meaning extraction from a list of company news >> releases, starting first with meaning extraction to start with for earnings >> reports. Firstly converting the text to a standard format for analysis. >> >> I would be interested in advice on the best way to do the math, and what >> math needs be done. I always say that "I like math, but math doesn't like >> me". Sounds like we have some overlapping goals with nltk. >> >> Being able to determine later something like - 80% of the time when a >> company put out a release that says "leveraging synergies" (n=30 - number of >> companies) - their stock value decreases by 5% (std_dev=1%) within 4 hours >> afterwards. So maybe I should short the company's stock and try to profit >> when they just announce they are to going to "leverage synergies". But that >> is a goal for later. >> >> I will keep it on my hack night radar also. >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Jesse wrote: >>> >>> I'll keep the next hack night on my radar, this is an interesting project. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Nathan Rice >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Jesse wrote: >>>> > I don't know how helpful I'd be, but I'd like to at least check out >>>> > what >>>> > you're doing. I just started programming in Python last month. When >>>> > could >>>> > this happen? Are you near Chapel Hill? >>>> >>>> I work at UNC. I could demonstrate some stuff at a hack night. I'm >>>> still in the planning stages for most of the stuff; I have the pubmed >>>> extraction code pretty well nailed, and I have a solid outline for the >>>> article disqualification (create a feature vector out of topic and >>>> abstract bigrams, MeSH subject headings and journal, use a SVM >>>> discriminator and manually generate a RoC curve to determine the >>>> cutoff score) but I'm still very up in the air regarding NL extraction >>>> of things like sample size, significance, etc. If you'd like to learn >>>> more I would of course be happy to go over my thoughts on the matter >>>> and we can play around with some code. >>>> >>>> Nathan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jesse Bikman >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TriZPUG mailing list >>> TriZPUG at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug >>> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > > End of TriZPUG Digest, Vol 52, Issue 32 > *************************************** From cbc at unc.edu Thu Aug 23 18:59:32 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:59:32 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG August 2012 Meeting: Maintaining Your Sanity While Maintaining Your Open Source App In-Reply-To: <50339557.6010701@unc.edu> References: <50240280.2020106@unc.edu> <50339557.6010701@unc.edu> Message-ID: <50366174.4040600@unc.edu> Don't forget, I'll be giving away a free multi-OS Wing Pro license worth $245 tonight at the meeting to a lucky winner. Wing Pro is a superb Python IDE. On 8/21/2012 10:04 AM, Chris Calloway wrote: > Meeting in two days. Looks like it will be a big one. Come on out! > > On 8/9/2012 2:33 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: >> When: Thursday, August 23, 7pm >> >> Where: WebAssign, NCSU Centennial Campus, >> 1791 Varsity Drive, Suite 200, Raleigh >> >> https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=1791+Varsity+Drive+Suite+200+27606 >> >> >> What: Mark Lavin, Django developer extraordinaire at Caktus Consulting >> Group, will present his upcoming DjangoCon 2012 talk, "Maintaining Your >> Sanity While Maintaining Your Open Source App." There will likely be >> discussion of preparations for the upcoming PyCarolinas conference, too. >> Extemporaneous "lightning talks" of 5-10 minute duration are also >> welcome as always. Please join us at our first meeting at WebAssign and >> share your Python experiences. Plenty of free after hours parking will >> be available in the adjacent Centennial Campus decks. An after-meeting >> location for food and beverage will be decided at the meeting. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From cbc at unc.edu Fri Aug 24 21:40:02 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:40:02 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG August 2012 Meeting: Maintaining Your Sanity While Maintaining Your Open Source App In-Reply-To: <50366174.4040600@unc.edu> References: <50240280.2020106@unc.edu> <50339557.6010701@unc.edu> <50366174.4040600@unc.edu> Message-ID: <5037D892.3080406@unc.edu> Thanks for a great meeting, Josh. Thanks, Mark, for the sage open source advice. http://trizpug.org/gallery/mtg082312/ -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From cbc at unc.edu Fri Aug 24 21:59:22 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:59:22 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG August 2012 Meeting: Maintaining Your Sanity While Maintaining Your Open Source App In-Reply-To: <5037D892.3080406@unc.edu> References: <50240280.2020106@unc.edu> <50339557.6010701@unc.edu> <50366174.4040600@unc.edu> <5037D892.3080406@unc.edu> Message-ID: <5037DD1A.9020105@unc.edu> While I was listening to Mark talk last night about making packages, I was reminded of this new cloud service: https://pythonpackages.com/ -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From ogmaciel at gnome.org Fri Aug 24 22:18:18 2012 From: ogmaciel at gnome.org (Og Maciel) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:18:18 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG August 2012 Meeting: Maintaining Your Sanity While Maintaining Your Open Source App In-Reply-To: <5037DD1A.9020105@unc.edu> References: <50240280.2020106@unc.edu> <50339557.6010701@unc.edu> <50366174.4040600@unc.edu> <5037D892.3080406@unc.edu> <5037DD1A.9020105@unc.edu> Message-ID: On Aug 24, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: > While I was listening to Mark talk last night about making packages, I was reminded of this new cloud service: > > https://pythonpackages.com/ Also reminded me of https://crate.io/ -- Og B. Maciel GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://ogmaciel.tumblr.com From ogmaciel at gnome.org Fri Aug 24 22:57:36 2012 From: ogmaciel at gnome.org (Og Maciel) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:57:36 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG August 2012 Meeting: Maintaining Your Sanity While Maintaining Your Open Source App In-Reply-To: <5037DD1A.9020105@unc.edu> References: <50240280.2020106@unc.edu> <50339557.6010701@unc.edu> <50366174.4040600@unc.edu> <5037D892.3080406@unc.edu> <5037DD1A.9020105@unc.edu> Message-ID: On Aug 24, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: > While I was listening to Mark talk last night about making packages, I was reminded of this new cloud service: > > https://pythonpackages.com/ Also reminded me of https://crate.io/ -- Og B. Maciel GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://ogmaciel.tumblr.com From lionface.lemonface at gmail.com Sun Aug 26 15:51:10 2012 From: lionface.lemonface at gmail.com (Josh Johnson) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 09:51:10 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG August 2012 Meeting: Maintaining Your Sanity While Maintaining Your Open Source App In-Reply-To: <5037D892.3080406@unc.edu> References: <50240280.2020106@unc.edu> <50339557.6010701@unc.edu> <50366174.4040600@unc.edu> <5037D892.3080406@unc.edu> Message-ID: Thanks Chris, and thanks to everyone that came out. It went super well! There was some interest in the openings at WebAssign. Here's a direct link to the job listings: http://www.webassign.net/info/employment/ Feel free to apply using the instructions on the listings, but I may be able to direct your resume to the right people (and I get a bonus if I refer people and you stay for 6 months :D) if you send your resume directly to me. My e-mail address is lionface dot lemonface at gmail dot com. WebAssign also has a LinkedIn presence: http://www.linkedin.com/company/webassign I'm also on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/pub/josh-johnson/46/832/99a There were some questions about internships. Next week I'll get the full details from HR, but in the meantime, I know we had two interns over the summer, (IIRC this was the first time WebAssign has had an official internship program) and it was a huge success. Here's the listing from the spring job fair (where I think we got our interns): https://ncsu-csm.symplicity.com/events/students.php?mode=profile&eid=a0722fc98ddccebe21a1658bbcfe69a0®id=497ce074b2bf3e25ee6c2aa40449acfc&pmode=overview&cf=fall2012&s=&ss= WebAssign has deep roots at NCSU, and participates in a lot of programs there. I can't find the announcement but I recall that WebAssign is participating in a really cool project this fall (anyone from State know what I'm talking about?). One more thing: If you have a deep interest in Math, Physics, or Chemistry, a 'Coder' position is a good way to exercise that interest, get to know the company, and write some code. I know a lot of developers who started in one of those positions. Cheers, JJ On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: > Thanks for a great meeting, Josh. Thanks, Mark, for the sage open source > advice. > > http://trizpug.org/gallery/mtg082312/ > > -- > Sincerely, > > Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc > office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 > mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group From cbc at unc.edu Tue Aug 28 17:51:33 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 11:51:33 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] September Meeting Message-ID: <503CE905.3020109@unc.edu> Mark Corzine has thoughtfully reserved SplatSpace in Durham at 7pm, Thursday Sept 27 for our next meeting. Before I fashion announcements, would anyone like to volunteer a talk or two to feature? I know there are well over a dozen of us with PyCarolinas talks. It would be a good time to practice. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From ironfroggy at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 02:32:01 2012 From: ironfroggy at gmail.com (Calvin Spealman) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:32:01 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] September Project Night - Carrboro, NC Message-ID: Have a project you want to show off, share, seek help with, or just get some work done surrounded my like minded python lovers? Join us for our first monthly hack night and do just that! Don't have something to work on? Show up and enjoy the energy, sprint on an open source project, find something interesting to contribute to or be inspired by! The setting is informal and there is no schedule, so don't worry if you show up past the start time. http://www.meetup.com/trizpug/events/77051642/ From cbc at unc.edu Fri Aug 31 01:16:14 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:16:14 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Project Night Project Message-ID: <503FF43E.3020308@unc.edu> Executive Summary: A good project night project would be to make an mbox file suitable for importing into our current email list archives from the cooked archives of our old email list. And Now For Something Completely Different (from an abstract): A the last after-meeting, there were five of us hanging out until the bitter end. Michael Hrivnak asked what goes on at project night? Are people really pair programming? I said it was a bit more organically do-acratic than that. I described that most people were working on their own things, some people even working on work. But that people generally spoke up if they wanted to work with someone else, had an idea or question, or wanted help. I said I generally came to project night with something to work on and rarely ended up working on that thing because I'd end up working with someone else on whatever they needed. Pairing happens at project night, just not necessarily by design or intention and not in call cases. The organizer of any particular the project night sets the tone to his or her liking. The project nights Calvin has been calling he classifies as "informal" and that's been working pretty well for most people who come. There's an occasional "what's going on here?" freak-out, but most people get it as soon as they see it. There was a project night where I announced beforehand that I'd work on the Django Bootcamp take home assignment with anybody who wanted to show up and work on them, and then nobody from the bootcamp showed up at the next project night. Then again, there was a project night where I was working on core Python issues and was hoping to involve someone else in that work, and instead ended up spending the the evening answering new to Python questions. That's just life. Things happen organically rather than the way we plan. Alex Kesling said it would be good to have projects for people to work on at project night. I kind of thought, well, there are so many things people are already working on. And often I see people who aren't finishing the projects they already started get new ideas and want to recruit other people to do them. There are always project ideas for people with nothing else to do: (see http://whartoniteseekscodemonkey.tumblr.com/). The thing is, most people already have enough to do and most people have their own ideas. They are just looking for like-minded people around whom to work. However, there is a lot of merit to what Alex suggested, despite my pessimism. There are always people new to Python who just want some direction regarding which direction to take. I'm pretty sure the next new to Python person who asks me what to do next, I'll point at the Python Koans. It really is a Pythonic Zen experience. The brilliance of the guy who gave the Python Koans "talk" at PyOhio, where the whole session of the talk was silence as people worked through the koans, still just makes me laugh. But beyond new to Python or "what's going on here?" questions, I hear a lot of, "How can I help?" and "What can I do to help?," questions. These questions are sometimes tough because although I often need a lot of help, sometimes helping people help, or getting help in a form that is actually helpful, can be more difficult than doing something yourself even if you don't have the time. I've had bosses whose whole outlook on work was how to avoid getting "help," because there's no work quite as painful as work where the upper management has concluded that you need some extra "help" (cue management consultants and the whole script from Office Space). But I've been thinking a lot about this idea of ready-made projects and how someone who wants to help can help and have it be actually helpful. Now that project is staring me right in the face. If someone wants a project, or if there needs to be a project for project night, or if the question is "How can I help?," then I have a project that I should particularly farm out, especially at this time when there are far too many projects to juggle. Background: TriZPUG was one of the first Python user groups. It was certainly the first Python user group with its own website separate from python.org wiki pages. It was also one of the first localized Python user groups with an email list. When TriZPUG got started, the PSF had only just formed. The main Python organization before the PSF was the Python Software Association (PSA), sometimes called the Python Software Activity, which did things like put on the first nine or so Python conferences in Washington, DC. The PSA was a lot more do-acratic and less bureaucratic than the current PSF. (Today's PSF bureaucracy is actually a necessary thing, not a bad thing, in order to do legal software property conservancy.) The PSA was pretty loose: you paid $25 and your were in. It was mostly government employees in and around Washington, DC, most of whom, including GVR, would go on to join Digital Creations (now Zope Corporation) at which time the PSF was formed to keep the Python copyright from flowing to whomever GVR happened to be employed by at any moment. This is kind of a gloss, and ignores the intermediate Python Software Consortium. But one of the do-acratic things various members of the PSA did was run some Python infrastructure, namely python.net. Python.net provided the first TriZPUG email list: http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug By 2007, python.net was kind of an orphan. The PSF's python.org had become the hang-out for Pythonistas. Python.net mostly provided homepages and web space for most of the earliest Python pioneers. But it didn't really have the support it had before the PSF took over python.org. Python.net suffered a couple of nasty crashes. Many of the early Python pioneers did not continue to support it after the crashes. It had become too easy to host your own site and get your own blog. After the second crash, some of us in TriZPUG decided it would be better if we followed the lead of some more recent Python user groups and moved our email list to the more stable python.org. The second crash had severely disrupted our volunteer coordination for the biggest event we'd ever staged. The old email list had become a problem. It took about a year after that decision to find the right people in python.org to make this happen as this was also about the time that mail.python.org was going through some management lapses. I even tried to find someone in TriZPUG to be the python.org postmaster after a call for help went out from the PSF. But eventually a new python.org postmaster was found, Brad Knowles, who was super nice and got our email list moved to where it has lived since May 16, 2008: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug As part of the move to python.org Brad offered to move our python.net archives to python.org. All he needed was the mbox file for our email list. Unfortunatly, our mbox file had not survived the python.net crashes. At least not a comprehensive mbox file. Only an mbox file since the last crash or two. All that really survived comprehensively were the "cooked" archives that MailMan makes from an mbox file: http://starship.python.net/pipermail/triangle-zpug/ For MailMan to absorb old archives into a new email list, it needs to recreate the cooked archives from an mbox file. There might be a way to hack MailMan's archive import feature to accepted cooked archives, but it was beyond where our volunteer postmaster help at python.org was willing to go. They did make a valiant effort at reconstructing an mbox from the cooked archives. But the format of the cooked archives had changed over the years 2002-2008, and so it wasn't as simple as it first seemed. Things like the format of the email headers changed over the life of the email list. We arrived at a point where we had exhausted the reasonable efforts of the python.org postmasters to import the old archives into the new list. So to this day, we have archives split between python.net and python.org. However, as part of our TriZPUG to TriPython name change, I have been talking to Brad Knowles once again. With a little advance notice Brad is happy to change the name on our email list when we need. And he offered once again to try to import our old python.net archives. I reminded him of the previous effort to do so. But once reminded, we talked about making another more intensive effort to recreate and mbox file from the python.net cooked archives. Python's support for mbox manipulation has come a long way in the last four years: http://docs.python.org/library/mailbox.html Brad said if we can recreate the mbox file from the cooked archives, he'd like to try to import the archives once again so we would have comprehensive archives all in one place. The Project: 1) Get the old cooked gzipped archives at: http://docs.python.org/library/mailbox.html using something like the urllib module or the requests package. 2) Expand the cooked archives with something like the gzip module. 3) Examine the archives and figure out a way to parse them into individual messages with header metadata. Classic text parsing. 4) Understand where the parsing has to deal with different metadata formats in the cooked archives. Deal with it. Classic real world text parsing. 5) From the parsed data, reconstruct an mbox file called triangle-zpug.mbox using something like the mailbox module. 6) Be prepared to make changes if necessary. Life is contingent in many ways. Things often don't work as planned. There are some old cooked archives beyond May 2008. Sometimes people posted to the old list by mistake after May 2008. One of the best pure Python discussions this group ever had was in April 2009 on the old list. It went on for days before someone realized, hey, how come this thread is on the old email list? You might want to reconstruct an mbox with all the old archives, and be prepared to reconstruct them again if the MailMan import cannot mix old and new archives from the same month. You might want to do some testing. Testing might be pretty difficult. Mock only gets you as far as unit testing. This will require real functional and system testing. You might need to make test builds of MailMan. You will probably have to work closely with the python.org postmasters who are running the import steps. You might need to get the current mbox file from the python.org postmasters in order to do realistic testing. The building and testing of this project could be involved. It may be a good candidate for continuous integration, especially if a lot of changes arise. And I would just anticipate a lot of changes for this project. 7) Be prepared to fail. Life is contingent in many ways. Things often don't work as planned. It might be there there will never be sufficient information in the cooked archives to make the MailMan import work in ways acceptable to the python.org postmasters. 8) This project would really do well to have a least one pair of people working on it. This doesn't sound like a really good loner project. 9) This project really needs to be in a publicly visible repository. You might get tired of it and other people could pick it up. You might get stuck and need more eyes on it. You might need more than a couple of people to help make it work. Your team might be geographically distributed around the Triangle. You want it so that when you are done, anyone can download the finished product, run it, and get the mbox file needed. 10) I'm certainly willing to help anyone who wants to work on this project at project night (as in help get you pointed in a right direction, help explain something that may not be clear to you, or help you get unstuck, rather than do it for you or even with you though I may). I'll be at the September project night. I'll have to miss the one in October. (At least the one in Carrboro. There's a possibility a project night at NCSU could be spun up by then.) But then I should be around for all the following project nights for awhile. 11) You also don't really need me at all to do this project. The project parameters are pretty well laid out here. This could be a self-starter for the right self-starter. 12) It would be great if you could let the email list know if you are working on this. We wouldn't want several people working on this in isolation without knowledge of each other. 13) It would be great if when you say you are working on this, you are actually working on this, rather than planning, intending, or wanting to. 14) Whenever possible, join the people already working on a project rather than making a new project. 15) It's not necessary for this to be done in time for the October name change. It's a do-acratic thing. It will be done when you do it. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From mhrivnak at hrivnak.org Fri Aug 31 18:41:51 2012 From: mhrivnak at hrivnak.org (Michael Hrivnak) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:41:51 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] project for readthedocs Message-ID: I learned about http://readthedocs.org/ at the last meeting. I tried to use it for my project at work, but I discovered that it has a shortcoming. Their project is OSS on github, and I think this issue might be fixable with a modest amount of effort; is anyone else interested in working on this, perhaps even at the next project night? The basic problem is that the site does not support multiple sets of docs in one repository. So if you have an end user guide, an API reference, and a developer guide in the same repo, you are out of luck. This issue is preventing me from using RTD with my project at work ( http://www.pulpproject.org/). You can read more about the issue here: https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/issues/56 Let me know if you are interested in working together to tackle this. I think it will take enough effort that I don't want to do it on work time, but I'm interested in doing it on my own time if there is help. Thanks, Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: