From jdavep at gmail.com  Mon Apr  2 15:44:01 2007
From: jdavep at gmail.com (Dave Powell)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:44:01 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] python hosting plan from $8.25/mo...
Message-ID: <ebe4e54b0704020644g1b6adf3r469412b01a2b54f7@mail.gmail.com>

hey guys...

...just had a friend pass along this info about Python hosting...

http://www.fatcow.com

...thought i'd share...anybody know of any PZP hosting at this price
point?...i need a host for some personal stuff...and the price is
right...(i'd prefer plone/zope, but, beggars can't be choosers ;o) ....

thx...
...dave p

On 3/30/07, Chris Calloway <cbc at unc.edu> wrote:
>
> http://blog.ianbicking.org/turbogears-and-pylons.html
>
> Via DFWPython. Was discussed at PyCon at the ToscaWidgets talk.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris Calloway
> http://www.seacoos.org
> office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
> mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> triangle-zpug mailing list
> triangle-zpug at starship.python.net
> http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug
>



-- 
...
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1013 Onslow st.
durham, nc  27705
...
919.345.8370
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From jdavep at gmail.com  Mon Apr  2 15:44:01 2007
From: jdavep at gmail.com (Dave Powell)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:44:01 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] python hosting plan from $8.25/mo...
Message-ID: <ebe4e54b0704020644g1b6adf3r469412b01a2b54f7@mail.gmail.com>

hey guys...

...just had a friend pass along this info about Python hosting...

http://www.fatcow.com

...thought i'd share...anybody know of any PZP hosting at this price
point?...i need a host for some personal stuff...and the price is
right...(i'd prefer plone/zope, but, beggars can't be choosers ;o) ....

thx...
...dave p

On 3/30/07, Chris Calloway <cbc at unc.edu> wrote:
>
> http://blog.ianbicking.org/turbogears-and-pylons.html
>
> Via DFWPython. Was discussed at PyCon at the ToscaWidgets talk.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris Calloway
> http://www.seacoos.org
> office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
> mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> triangle-zpug mailing list
> triangle-zpug at starship.python.net
> http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug
>



-- 
...
j david powell
craf7 design
1013 Onslow st.
durham, nc  27705
...
919.345.8370
jdavep at gmail.com
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From bendonnelly at gmail.com  Mon Apr  2 16:02:05 2007
From: bendonnelly at gmail.com (Ben Donnelly)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:02:05 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] python hosting plan from $8.25/mo...
In-Reply-To: <ebe4e54b0704020644g1b6adf3r469412b01a2b54f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebe4e54b0704020644g1b6adf3r469412b01a2b54f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f43e5d7b0704020702k1125ef49jfade5135b27993a6@mail.gmail.com>

I use dreamhost, gives you a ssh account at $8/mo or less (there's a
lot of coupons and special offers out there, also, there's probably
some referral discount I could dig up.) There was a rough patch a few
months ago, as they brought up a new data center, and while there were
some outages, but I liked how upfront about it they were.

dreamhost.com

Officially, they don't want zope on there, tho' just for kicks I was
able to compile it and run zope and plone out of my account. In
general, they give you a lot of power and bandwidth for very little
money, including the power to create sub-accounts, so I can host some
friends sites without having to share passwds, etc.

-bendy

On 4/2/07, Dave Powell <jdavep at gmail.com> wrote:
> hey guys...
>
> ...just had a friend pass along this info about Python hosting...
>
> http://www.fatcow.com
>
> ...thought i'd share...anybody know of any PZP hosting at this price
> point?...i need a host for some personal stuff...and the price is
> right...(i'd prefer plone/zope, but, beggars can't be choosers ;o) ....
>
> thx...
> ...dave p
>
> On 3/30/07, Chris Calloway <cbc at unc.edu> wrote:
> > http://blog.ianbicking.org/turbogears-and-pylons.html
> >
> > Via DFWPython. Was discussed at PyCon at the ToscaWidgets talk.
> >
> > --
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Chris Calloway
> > http://www.seacoos.org
> > office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
> > mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > triangle-zpug mailing list
> > triangle-zpug at starship.python.net
> > http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug
> >
>
>
>
> --
> ...
> j david powell
> craf7 design
> 1013 Onslow st.
> durham, nc  27705
> ...
> 919.345.8370
> jdavep at gmail.com
> ...
> _______________________________________________
> triangle-zpug mailing list
> triangle-zpug at starship.python.net
> http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug
>
>



From jdavep at gmail.com  Mon Apr  2 16:42:18 2007
From: jdavep at gmail.com (Dave Powell)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:42:18 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] python hosting plan from $8.25/mo...
In-Reply-To: <f43e5d7b0704020702k1125ef49jfade5135b27993a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebe4e54b0704020644g1b6adf3r469412b01a2b54f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<f43e5d7b0704020702k1125ef49jfade5135b27993a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebe4e54b0704020742w52e51604h55f3045d4b54fc6f@mail.gmail.com>

kewl...

thx...
...dave p

On 4/2/07, Ben Donnelly <bendonnelly at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I use dreamhost, gives you a ssh account at $8/mo or less (there's a
> lot of coupons and special offers out there, also, there's probably
> some referral discount I could dig up.) There was a rough patch a few
> months ago, as they brought up a new data center, and while there were
> some outages, but I liked how upfront about it they were.
>
> dreamhost.com
>
> Officially, they don't want zope on there, tho' just for kicks I was
> able to compile it and run zope and plone out of my account. In
> general, they give you a lot of power and bandwidth for very little
> money, including the power to create sub-accounts, so I can host some
> friends sites without having to share passwds, etc.
>
> -bendy
>
> On 4/2/07, Dave Powell <jdavep at gmail.com> wrote:
> > hey guys...
> >
> > ...just had a friend pass along this info about Python hosting...
> >
> > http://www.fatcow.com
> >
> > ...thought i'd share...anybody know of any PZP hosting at this price
> > point?...i need a host for some personal stuff...and the price is
> > right...(i'd prefer plone/zope, but, beggars can't be choosers ;o) ....
> >
> > thx...
> > ...dave p
> >
> > On 3/30/07, Chris Calloway <cbc at unc.edu> wrote:
> > > http://blog.ianbicking.org/turbogears-and-pylons.html
> > >
> > > Via DFWPython. Was discussed at PyCon at the ToscaWidgets talk.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Chris Calloway
> > > http://www.seacoos.org
> > > office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
> > > mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > triangle-zpug mailing list
> > > triangle-zpug at starship.python.net
> > > http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ...
> > j david powell
> > craf7 design
> > 1013 Onslow st.
> > durham, nc  27705
> > ...
> > 919.345.8370
> > jdavep at gmail.com
> > ...
> > _______________________________________________
> > triangle-zpug mailing list
> > triangle-zpug at starship.python.net
> > http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> triangle-zpug mailing list
> triangle-zpug at starship.python.net
> http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug
>



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...
919.345.8370
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From cbc at unc.edu  Mon Apr  2 17:00:44 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:00:44 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] python hosting plan from $8.25/mo...
In-Reply-To: <ebe4e54b0704020644g1b6adf3r469412b01a2b54f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebe4e54b0704020644g1b6adf3r469412b01a2b54f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46111A9C.7020503@unc.edu>

Dave Powell wrote:
> hey guys...
> 
> ...just had a friend pass along this info about Python hosting...
> 
> http://www.fatcow.com
> 
> ...thought i'd share...anybody know of any PZP hosting at this price 
> point?...i need a host for some personal stuff...and the price is 
> right...(i'd prefer plone/zope, but, beggars can't be choosers ;o) ....

That's python as in straight up mod_python or python CGI on virtual 
hosting. Very 1997. It won't run zope or plone very easily if at all. 
Pretty much any reseller can give you the same deal. There are literally 
thousands of $8/month "deals." mod_python and python CGI have been 
pretty standard offerings on any host for a decade. And pretty much 
everybody who gives you that deal is a reseller. Your site will run on 
the same server as 100 others and your site will be periodically 
unavailable several times a day as one of those sites sucks down all the 
resources, even when "jailed" or "quota'd" or "quarantined."

Repeat after me: "You get what you pay for. Seven times more so when 
hosting."

OK, now repeat that at least fifty more times to yourself. I know it 
won't do any good. But you can go out and prove it to yourself over a 
number of years otherwise. The good thing about plone is, it helps you 
find this out sooner rather than later, in case you can't remember:

You get what you pay for.

The more you ignore this, the more pain you will suffer. That said, even 
though this has been answered in our archives more than once, it may 
bear repeating:

Free Plone sites: http://www.objectis.org/ http://myplone.objectis.org/

Has been there since Plone 1. Run by Pilot Systems and Blue Dynamics 
(who hosted two Plon Conferences). Can't use your own domain name yet 
because they don't want to support it. Can only use the products they 
have installed. So your site customizations will be TTW, not a site 
product. But they have a great number of installed products. In fact, if 
they don't have a product installed, you might question if you'd want to 
use it. If there is a product you want they don't have installed, they 
will install it if they can determine if it will be trouble-free.

You have to justify why you need a free Plone host to Objectis. "I want 
to learn Plone" is not a justification. You can do that on your laptop. 
They want reasons like "I'd like to host a Plone site I have already 
developed which will help coordinate volunteers for my bike marathon for 
charity." They filter out bozo's and wannabe's so their resources can go 
to people who deserve it.

Abbreviated list of plone hosting: http://plone.net/hosting-providers

Some obvious omissions from that list (as plone.net is apparently a bad 
joke):

http://sixfeetup.com (my personal favorite and Camp5 attendee)

http://www.jazkarta.com/services/hosting (Camp5 attendee; reseller)

http://zettai.net/ (PloneCon and ZPUGDC sponsor; hosts OxFam America)

http://www.ingenihosting.com/ (freakishly hardened; good plone community 
citizen)

http://www.siteground.com/plone-hosting.htm

http://www.highspeedrails.com/

http://www.webfaction.com/ (zope, plone, trac, subversion, django, 
turbogears - pick and choose; some people love it, some people hate it, 
webfaction is the new pink)

http://www.amaze-solutions.com/hosting-new (hosts plone.org)

http://reflab.it/services/hosting (Amaze reseller; co-host of PloneCon 
2007 in Napoli)

http://interlix.com/services/zope-plone-hosting

Don't shun hosts outside the U.S.. There are good reasons to host your 
site outside of the U.S. these days.

This may help:

http://plone.org/documentation/faq/where-can-i-host-my-plone-site

http://plone.org/documentation/how-to/plone-system-resources-for-a-small-site

In looking at those, I would say, you will find serious limitations and 
pain whenever hosting an application server (whether zope or a java 
server or whatever) on virtual hosting. It is almost always worth it to 
get your own dedicated server. Ask Mark and Rob how they are liking 1&1.

Also:

http://wiki.zope.org/zope2/HostingProviders

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599




From geoff at geoffdavis.net  Mon Apr  2 17:27:45 2007
From: geoff at geoffdavis.net (Geoff Davis)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:27:45 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] python hosting plan from $8.25/mo...
In-Reply-To: <46111A9C.7020503@unc.edu>
References: <ebe4e54b0704020644g1b6adf3r469412b01a2b54f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<46111A9C.7020503@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <5CC69948-8BB4-464A-87EB-C7B9B06D8467@geoffdavis.net>

Joel Burton pointed me to Server4You (http://server4you.net), and I  
have had pretty good luck with them.  You get your own box all to  
yourself starting from $50/month.  You have root access and complete  
control -- it's a physical box, not a virtual machine -- so you have  
to play sysadmin, but you get to do whatever you want.  I think Kapil  
Thangavelu also uses them.

On Apr 2, 2007, at 11:00 AM, Chris Calloway wrote:

> Dave Powell wrote:
>> hey guys...
>>
>> ...just had a friend pass along this info about Python hosting...
>>
>> http://www.fatcow.com
>>
>> ...thought i'd share...anybody know of any PZP hosting at this price
>> point?...i need a host for some personal stuff...and the price is
>> right...(i'd prefer plone/zope, but, beggars can't be  
>> choosers ;o) ....
>
> That's python as in straight up mod_python or python CGI on virtual
> hosting. Very 1997. It won't run zope or plone very easily if at all.
> Pretty much any reseller can give you the same deal. There are  
> literally
> thousands of $8/month "deals." mod_python and python CGI have been
> pretty standard offerings on any host for a decade. And pretty much
> everybody who gives you that deal is a reseller. Your site will run on
> the same server as 100 others and your site will be periodically
> unavailable several times a day as one of those sites sucks down  
> all the
> resources, even when "jailed" or "quota'd" or "quarantined."
>
> Repeat after me: "You get what you pay for. Seven times more so when
> hosting."
>
> OK, now repeat that at least fifty more times to yourself. I know it
> won't do any good. But you can go out and prove it to yourself over a
> number of years otherwise. The good thing about plone is, it helps you
> find this out sooner rather than later, in case you can't remember:
>
> You get what you pay for.
>
> The more you ignore this, the more pain you will suffer. That said,  
> even
> though this has been answered in our archives more than once, it may
> bear repeating:
>
> Free Plone sites: http://www.objectis.org/ http:// 
> myplone.objectis.org/
>
> Has been there since Plone 1. Run by Pilot Systems and Blue Dynamics
> (who hosted two Plon Conferences). Can't use your own domain name yet
> because they don't want to support it. Can only use the products they
> have installed. So your site customizations will be TTW, not a site
> product. But they have a great number of installed products. In  
> fact, if
> they don't have a product installed, you might question if you'd  
> want to
> use it. If there is a product you want they don't have installed, they
> will install it if they can determine if it will be trouble-free.
>
> You have to justify why you need a free Plone host to Objectis. "I  
> want
> to learn Plone" is not a justification. You can do that on your  
> laptop.
> They want reasons like "I'd like to host a Plone site I have already
> developed which will help coordinate volunteers for my bike  
> marathon for
> charity." They filter out bozo's and wannabe's so their resources  
> can go
> to people who deserve it.
>
> Abbreviated list of plone hosting: http://plone.net/hosting-providers
>
> Some obvious omissions from that list (as plone.net is apparently a  
> bad
> joke):
>
> http://sixfeetup.com (my personal favorite and Camp5 attendee)
>
> http://www.jazkarta.com/services/hosting (Camp5 attendee; reseller)
>
> http://zettai.net/ (PloneCon and ZPUGDC sponsor; hosts OxFam America)
>
> http://www.ingenihosting.com/ (freakishly hardened; good plone  
> community
> citizen)
>
> http://www.siteground.com/plone-hosting.htm
>
> http://www.highspeedrails.com/
>
> http://www.webfaction.com/ (zope, plone, trac, subversion, django,
> turbogears - pick and choose; some people love it, some people hate  
> it,
> webfaction is the new pink)
>
> http://www.amaze-solutions.com/hosting-new (hosts plone.org)
>
> http://reflab.it/services/hosting (Amaze reseller; co-host of PloneCon
> 2007 in Napoli)
>
> http://interlix.com/services/zope-plone-hosting
>
> Don't shun hosts outside the U.S.. There are good reasons to host your
> site outside of the U.S. these days.
>
> This may help:
>
> http://plone.org/documentation/faq/where-can-i-host-my-plone-site
>
> http://plone.org/documentation/how-to/plone-system-resources-for-a- 
> small-site
>
> In looking at those, I would say, you will find serious limitations  
> and
> pain whenever hosting an application server (whether zope or a java
> server or whatever) on virtual hosting. It is almost always worth  
> it to
> get your own dedicated server. Ask Mark and Rob how they are liking  
> 1&1.
>
> Also:
>
> http://wiki.zope.org/zope2/HostingProviders
>
> -- 
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris Calloway
> http://www.seacoos.org
> office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
> mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> triangle-zpug mailing list
> triangle-zpug at starship.python.net
> http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug
>




From jdavep at gmail.com  Mon Apr  2 17:44:46 2007
From: jdavep at gmail.com (Dave Powell)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:44:46 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] python hosting plan from $8.25/mo...
In-Reply-To: <5CC69948-8BB4-464A-87EB-C7B9B06D8467@geoffdavis.net>
References: <ebe4e54b0704020644g1b6adf3r469412b01a2b54f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<46111A9C.7020503@unc.edu>
	<5CC69948-8BB4-464A-87EB-C7B9B06D8467@geoffdavis.net>
Message-ID: <ebe4e54b0704020844h5b3ab6efs57dd28f382af8e7a@mail.gmail.com>

now, that might justify the price... ;o)

i might be able to consolidate...hrm...

thanks geoff...
...dave p

On 4/2/07, Geoff Davis <geoff at geoffdavis.net> wrote:
>
> Joel Burton pointed me to Server4You (http://server4you.net), and I
> have had pretty good luck with them.  You get your own box all to
> yourself starting from $50/month.  You have root access and complete
> control -- it's a physical box, not a virtual machine -- so you have
> to play sysadmin, but you get to do whatever you want.  I think Kapil
> Thangavelu also uses them.
>
> On Apr 2, 2007, at 11:00 AM, Chris Calloway wrote:
>
> > Dave Powell wrote:
> >> hey guys...
> >>
> >> ...just had a friend pass along this info about Python hosting...
> >>
> >> http://www.fatcow.com
> >>
> >> ...thought i'd share...anybody know of any PZP hosting at this price
> >> point?...i need a host for some personal stuff...and the price is
> >> right...(i'd prefer plone/zope, but, beggars can't be
> >> choosers ;o) ....
> >
> > That's python as in straight up mod_python or python CGI on virtual
> > hosting. Very 1997. It won't run zope or plone very easily if at all.
> > Pretty much any reseller can give you the same deal. There are
> > literally
> > thousands of $8/month "deals." mod_python and python CGI have been
> > pretty standard offerings on any host for a decade. And pretty much
> > everybody who gives you that deal is a reseller. Your site will run on
> > the same server as 100 others and your site will be periodically
> > unavailable several times a day as one of those sites sucks down
> > all the
> > resources, even when "jailed" or "quota'd" or "quarantined."
> >
> > Repeat after me: "You get what you pay for. Seven times more so when
> > hosting."
> >
> > OK, now repeat that at least fifty more times to yourself. I know it
> > won't do any good. But you can go out and prove it to yourself over a
> > number of years otherwise. The good thing about plone is, it helps you
> > find this out sooner rather than later, in case you can't remember:
> >
> > You get what you pay for.
> >
> > The more you ignore this, the more pain you will suffer. That said,
> > even
> > though this has been answered in our archives more than once, it may
> > bear repeating:
> >
> > Free Plone sites: http://www.objectis.org/ http://
> > myplone.objectis.org/
> >
> > Has been there since Plone 1. Run by Pilot Systems and Blue Dynamics
> > (who hosted two Plon Conferences). Can't use your own domain name yet
> > because they don't want to support it. Can only use the products they
> > have installed. So your site customizations will be TTW, not a site
> > product. But they have a great number of installed products. In
> > fact, if
> > they don't have a product installed, you might question if you'd
> > want to
> > use it. If there is a product you want they don't have installed, they
> > will install it if they can determine if it will be trouble-free.
> >
> > You have to justify why you need a free Plone host to Objectis. "I
> > want
> > to learn Plone" is not a justification. You can do that on your
> > laptop.
> > They want reasons like "I'd like to host a Plone site I have already
> > developed which will help coordinate volunteers for my bike
> > marathon for
> > charity." They filter out bozo's and wannabe's so their resources
> > can go
> > to people who deserve it.
> >
> > Abbreviated list of plone hosting: http://plone.net/hosting-providers
> >
> > Some obvious omissions from that list (as plone.net is apparently a
> > bad
> > joke):
> >
> > http://sixfeetup.com (my personal favorite and Camp5 attendee)
> >
> > http://www.jazkarta.com/services/hosting (Camp5 attendee; reseller)
> >
> > http://zettai.net/ (PloneCon and ZPUGDC sponsor; hosts OxFam America)
> >
> > http://www.ingenihosting.com/ (freakishly hardened; good plone
> > community
> > citizen)
> >
> > http://www.siteground.com/plone-hosting.htm
> >
> > http://www.highspeedrails.com/
> >
> > http://www.webfaction.com/ (zope, plone, trac, subversion, django,
> > turbogears - pick and choose; some people love it, some people hate
> > it,
> > webfaction is the new pink)
> >
> > http://www.amaze-solutions.com/hosting-new (hosts plone.org)
> >
> > http://reflab.it/services/hosting (Amaze reseller; co-host of PloneCon
> > 2007 in Napoli)
> >
> > http://interlix.com/services/zope-plone-hosting
> >
> > Don't shun hosts outside the U.S.. There are good reasons to host your
> > site outside of the U.S. these days.
> >
> > This may help:
> >
> > http://plone.org/documentation/faq/where-can-i-host-my-plone-site
> >
> > http://plone.org/documentation/how-to/plone-system-resources-for-a-
> > small-site
> >
> > In looking at those, I would say, you will find serious limitations
> > and
> > pain whenever hosting an application server (whether zope or a java
> > server or whatever) on virtual hosting. It is almost always worth
> > it to
> > get your own dedicated server. Ask Mark and Rob how they are liking
> > 1&1.
> >
> > Also:
> >
> > http://wiki.zope.org/zope2/HostingProviders
> >
> > --
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Chris Calloway
> > http://www.seacoos.org
> > office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
> > mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > triangle-zpug mailing list
> > triangle-zpug at starship.python.net
> > http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug
> >
>
>
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From robert at geigers.net  Mon Apr  2 19:39:07 2007
From: robert at geigers.net (Robert Geiger)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 13:39:07 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] python hosting plan from $8.25/mo...
In-Reply-To: <46111A9C.7020503@unc.edu>
References: <ebe4e54b0704020644g1b6adf3r469412b01a2b54f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<46111A9C.7020503@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <46113FBB.6060209@geigers.net>

1 - Zettai is going out of business any day now....

2 - I have a Fedora "Virtual Server" on GoDaddy that works perfectly.  I 
installed Webmin, Plone, etc., and it runs like a garden hose and it's 
fast.  It really works great, and I have 10 plone sites on one server. 
It's up all the time, and I have had ZERO problems with it.  I get free 
backup space for the entire "drive" and it costs about $40/month.

3 - Getting a server of any kind is requirements driven.  If you need 
huge bandwidth, high throughput and availability, rollover backups, 
redundancy, et al, then probably, virtual servers are not for you.  If 
you want a very simple solution for working on sites, development team 
efforts, low to medium bandwidth, easy maintenance and backups, then 
maybe a virtual server will do ya fine.

4 - Being in the "hardware business" so to speak, is a real questionable 
thing, when you can let others handle that stuff (and pay them to do it, 
yes, you get what you pay for in that respect).  You don't want to have 
to rebuild that box/os/etc. just to get your site back up and running 
after a hardware failure... unless that's your thing.

rg

Chris Calloway wrote:
> Dave Powell wrote:
>> hey guys...
>>
>> ...just had a friend pass along this info about Python hosting...
>>
>> http://www.fatcow.com
>>
>> ...thought i'd share...anybody know of any PZP hosting at this price 
>> point?...i need a host for some personal stuff...and the price is 
>> right...(i'd prefer plone/zope, but, beggars can't be choosers ;o) ....
> 
> That's python as in straight up mod_python or python CGI on virtual 
> hosting. Very 1997. It won't run zope or plone very easily if at all. 
> Pretty much any reseller can give you the same deal. There are literally 
> thousands of $8/month "deals." mod_python and python CGI have been 
> pretty standard offerings on any host for a decade. And pretty much 
> everybody who gives you that deal is a reseller. Your site will run on 
> the same server as 100 others and your site will be periodically 
> unavailable several times a day as one of those sites sucks down all the 
> resources, even when "jailed" or "quota'd" or "quarantined."
> 
> Repeat after me: "You get what you pay for. Seven times more so when 
> hosting."
> 
> OK, now repeat that at least fifty more times to yourself. I know it 
> won't do any good. But you can go out and prove it to yourself over a 
> number of years otherwise. The good thing about plone is, it helps you 
> find this out sooner rather than later, in case you can't remember:
> 
> You get what you pay for.
> 
> The more you ignore this, the more pain you will suffer. That said, even 
> though this has been answered in our archives more than once, it may 
> bear repeating:
> 
> Free Plone sites: http://www.objectis.org/ http://myplone.objectis.org/
> 
> Has been there since Plone 1. Run by Pilot Systems and Blue Dynamics 
> (who hosted two Plon Conferences). Can't use your own domain name yet 
> because they don't want to support it. Can only use the products they 
> have installed. So your site customizations will be TTW, not a site 
> product. But they have a great number of installed products. In fact, if 
> they don't have a product installed, you might question if you'd want to 
> use it. If there is a product you want they don't have installed, they 
> will install it if they can determine if it will be trouble-free.
> 
> You have to justify why you need a free Plone host to Objectis. "I want 
> to learn Plone" is not a justification. You can do that on your laptop. 
> They want reasons like "I'd like to host a Plone site I have already 
> developed which will help coordinate volunteers for my bike marathon for 
> charity." They filter out bozo's and wannabe's so their resources can go 
> to people who deserve it.
> 
> Abbreviated list of plone hosting: http://plone.net/hosting-providers
> 
> Some obvious omissions from that list (as plone.net is apparently a bad 
> joke):
> 
> http://sixfeetup.com (my personal favorite and Camp5 attendee)
> 
> http://www.jazkarta.com/services/hosting (Camp5 attendee; reseller)
> 
> http://zettai.net/ (PloneCon and ZPUGDC sponsor; hosts OxFam America)
> 
> http://www.ingenihosting.com/ (freakishly hardened; good plone community 
> citizen)
> 
> http://www.siteground.com/plone-hosting.htm
> 
> http://www.highspeedrails.com/
> 
> http://www.webfaction.com/ (zope, plone, trac, subversion, django, 
> turbogears - pick and choose; some people love it, some people hate it, 
> webfaction is the new pink)
> 
> http://www.amaze-solutions.com/hosting-new (hosts plone.org)
> 
> http://reflab.it/services/hosting (Amaze reseller; co-host of PloneCon 
> 2007 in Napoli)
> 
> http://interlix.com/services/zope-plone-hosting
> 
> Don't shun hosts outside the U.S.. There are good reasons to host your 
> site outside of the U.S. these days.
> 
> This may help:
> 
> http://plone.org/documentation/faq/where-can-i-host-my-plone-site
> 
> http://plone.org/documentation/how-to/plone-system-resources-for-a-small-site
> 
> In looking at those, I would say, you will find serious limitations and 
> pain whenever hosting an application server (whether zope or a java 
> server or whatever) on virtual hosting. It is almost always worth it to 
> get your own dedicated server. Ask Mark and Rob how they are liking 1&1.
> 
> Also:
> 
> http://wiki.zope.org/zope2/HostingProviders
> 

-- 

Robert Geiger
919.271.7132
http://robert.geigers.net

Have a great day!
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From cbc at unc.edu  Mon Apr  2 23:35:23 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:35:23 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] python hosting plan from $8.25/mo...
In-Reply-To: <5CC69948-8BB4-464A-87EB-C7B9B06D8467@geoffdavis.net>
References: <ebe4e54b0704020644g1b6adf3r469412b01a2b54f7@mail.gmail.com>	<46111A9C.7020503@unc.edu>
	<5CC69948-8BB4-464A-87EB-C7B9B06D8467@geoffdavis.net>
Message-ID: <4611771B.7060102@unc.edu>

Geoff Davis wrote:
> Joel Burton pointed me to Server4You (http://server4you.net),

Holy smokes, have they come a long way. I remember when they got 
started. They had offshoots for community java servers at one time.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From adam at hupp.org  Tue Apr  3 01:49:59 2007
From: adam at hupp.org (Adam Hupp)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:49:59 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] python hosting plan from $8.25/mo...
In-Reply-To: <ebe4e54b0704020644g1b6adf3r469412b01a2b54f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebe4e54b0704020644g1b6adf3r469412b01a2b54f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070402234959.GC7070@mouth.upl.cs.wisc.edu>

On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 09:44:01AM -0400, Dave Powell wrote:
> 
> ...thought i'd share...anybody know of any PZP hosting at this price
> point?...i need a host for some personal stuff...and the price is
> right...(i'd prefer plone/zope, but, beggars can't be choosers ;o) ....

I've been happy with http://jvds.com/.  $20/mo, 3GB disk, 64M RAM,
30GB transfer, and I get root.  I think there are slightly better
deals out there now though, so shop around.

-Adam



From adam at hupp.org  Tue Apr  3 01:49:59 2007
From: adam at hupp.org (Adam Hupp)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:49:59 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] python hosting plan from $8.25/mo...
In-Reply-To: <ebe4e54b0704020644g1b6adf3r469412b01a2b54f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebe4e54b0704020644g1b6adf3r469412b01a2b54f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070402234959.GC7070@mouth.upl.cs.wisc.edu>

On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 09:44:01AM -0400, Dave Powell wrote:
> 
> ...thought i'd share...anybody know of any PZP hosting at this price
> point?...i need a host for some personal stuff...and the price is
> right...(i'd prefer plone/zope, but, beggars can't be choosers ;o) ....

I've been happy with http://jvds.com/.  $20/mo, 3GB disk, 64M RAM,
30GB transfer, and I get root.  I think there are slightly better
deals out there now though, so shop around.

-Adam



From biggers at utsl.com  Tue Apr  3 23:37:28 2007
From: biggers at utsl.com (Mark R. Biggers)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:37:28 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Zope 2.9+ (or earlier) breaks Apache
	load-balancing??
Message-ID: <17938.51480.850514.528755@dexter.saiph.com>


Does anyone have experience with this?

  http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope/569

See the entry titled 

  "= Comment - Entry #6 by sabaini on Jul 17, 2006 6:46 am"


... about Zope2 cookies breaking Apache 2.2 load-balancing.

"It" seems to be happening, for me.  BAH!  Trying to avoid one-more-process
in the mix for load-balancing, when 2.2 apache can do the job.


thank you,
----mark



From cbc at unc.edu  Wed Apr  4 17:46:37 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:46:37 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] [Fwd: Camp5 Thank You]
Message-ID: <4613C85D.7090409@unc.edu>

Passing this along as requested.

And thank you, Steve, for being a part of Camp 5. It was a pleasure 
hosting you. It makes me feel good to know that you coming such a long 
way to be with us was worthwhile for you.

TriZPUG and Philipp, Global Hand is a non-profit NGO which facilitates 
the donations and transportation of goods and services from corporate to 
community partners in battling poverty worldwide. They hook people up 
who can fill needs and who have needs and make it happen. They have a 
great Plone site which makes these connections. Check out some typical 
Global Hand user stories:

http://globalhand.org/about/typical-offers/

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Camp5 Thank You
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 22:39:40 +0800
From: Global Hand <enquiries at globalhand.org>
To: Chris Calloway <cbc at unc.edu>

Hey there Chris,

I just wanted to pass on again my thanks to you for organising the camp5
conference.

Coming all the way from Hong Kong, I really appreciated the warm
hospitality and excellent coordination to ensure the conference ran
smoothly. You and your team went out of your way to make us feel welcome
and worked particularly hard to make sure that we were well looked after.

Phillip was an excellent tutor, the food and hospitality was exceptional
and I was especially grateful for the minibus rides to and from the
conference centre! It was also a great opportunity to meet some of the
key Plone actors, and I know you worked hard to ensure a good selection
of them were available to us.

As an NGO seeking to connect corporate donors with other NGO's seeking
to empower the poor, Global Hand has been steadily growing in its usage
of Python/Zope/Plone. Its Plone website facilitates this corporate-NGO
matching and so the camp5 tutition was essential to bring us up to date
with the latest developments in the Plone sphere. So thank you, Chris,
for putting together such a successful conference. I certainly feel like
I got a lot out of it.

Please do pass on my thanks to the rest of the trizpug team who, I know,
sacrificed their personal time to ensure we were well looked after.
Trizpug is an excellent ambassador for other python user groups. And
yes, you can quote me on that if you like!

Kind regards,
Steve Kenworthy
Global Hand




From cbc at unc.edu  Wed Apr  4 19:25:51 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:25:51 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] [Fwd: [Baypiggies] Python/Django Jobs at WeFi]
Message-ID: <4613DF9F.3090404@unc.edu>

This actually looks interesting...

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python/Django Jobs at WeFi
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:16:13 -0700
From: Pablos <pablos at wefi.com>
To: baypiggies at python.org

[I read the baypiggies job posting guidelines, I think I'm complying!]

About Me

I'm Pablos, and I'm looking for coders for my team.  You will talk to
me about this job, not a recruiter.  If this doesn't sound like the
job for you, please introduce me to the most stellar coders you've
ever worked with.  Email me directly:  pablos at wefi.com.

About Us

Who really cares about Enterprise B2B Solutions crap?  Come help us
build something actual people can use.  We are a startup getting
close to launching the first version of our product which makes using
Wi-Fi a lot easier and more useful.  We are based in the Bay Area
with an R&D team in Tel Aviv.  We are starting a new web development
group in the U.S. and need some stellar talent.  Our front end stuff
is written in Python using Django.

About You

This will be a small team, and each member will have to be very
experienced with building and deploying web applications.  You?ve
written other software, but mostly web apps, probably with Java.  You
wish your garbage collector would free PHP once and for all.  You?ve
checked out Rails or Django and have maybe even used one of them for
a project or two.  The idea of building entirely new apps from
scratch in a very ?agile? fashion sounds delightful.
Ideal Qualifications

      3+ years developing web apps in an object oriented framework,
preferably with some Java.
      MySQL, Python, Django, Linux, & Subversion fu.
      AJAX, HTML, CSS, XML, REST, SOAP, ABCs, 123s, 000110, F=MA

This is a job for someone who is highly capable of taking a project
and running with it.  You need to be able to handle the full life
cycle of an application.  You will need great communication skills,
self motivation, and a burning desire to ship code.

Location

West Coast, but we?re flexible.

Compensation

Competitive Salary, Health Insurance, Stock Options
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From cbc at unc.edu  Wed Apr  4 23:09:54 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:09:54 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] No. VA python grid computing job
Message-ID: <46141422.5000004@unc.edu>

http://zpugdc.org/Members/stevena/job-sr-python-developer-northern-va

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From cbc at unc.edu  Mon Apr  9 19:14:43 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:14:43 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Online Django course from DePaul
Message-ID: <461A7483.6030303@unc.edu>

http://ipd.cti.depaul.edu/wdpd/Prog_wdpd.htm

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From cbc at unc.edu  Mon Apr  9 19:19:30 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:19:30 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Installing Sugar
Message-ID: <461A75A2.5050703@unc.edu>

http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/02/23/building-the-xo-introducing-sugar/

Also, using Sugar activities (written in Python):

http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/03/26/building-the-xo-the-anatomy-of-an-activity/

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From cbc at unc.edu  Mon Apr  9 19:35:40 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:35:40 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Online Overview from 7TechNW
Message-ID: <461A796C.8010608@unc.edu>

These are for contentish end users and awareness:

April 11 (only $20; perfect for your manager):

http://7technw.com/training/plone-online-training-plone-overview

Second chance May 2:

http://7technw.com/training/ot-pso02

User basics ($400):

http://7technw.com/training/ot-pubcm01

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From cbc at unc.edu  Tue Apr 10 03:31:43 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:31:43 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] [Fwd: [plone_portland] Reminder: tomorrow,
	e-Commerce and Plone]
Message-ID: <461AE8FF.1030401@unc.edu>

The Portland Plone meeting this week will be about a project started at 
Camp 5.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[plone_portland] Reminder: tomorrow, e-Commerce and Plone
Date: 	Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:54:31 -0700
From: 	Jon Baldivieso <jonb at onenw.org>
To: 	plone_portland at lists.onenw.org



Just a reminder to join us tomorrow (Tuesday) for Richard's update on
PloneGetPaid.  Hope to see you there!
*
*
*e-Commerce and Plone: a report from the front lines*
Hear Richard Amerman describe the recent surge of activity bringing
payment processing to Plone.  PloneGetPaid
(http://plone.org/products/plonegetpaid) is a new project with a lot of
momentum that Richard has been involved with.  Hear what the project has
accomplished so far and where it's headed.

---------------------
- SPECIFICS -
---------------------
What: Portland Plone Users Group Meeting:
When: Tues, Apr 10, 2007, 5:30p - 7:00p
Where: TACS Conference Room, 1001 SE Water Ave, Suite 490, Portland,
Oregon ( http://www.tacs.org/about/dirtemplate.asp?pID=47 )

-----------------
- AGENDA -
-----------------
* Richard Amerman presents on PloneGetPaid
* Lightening Talks: have interesting Plone news to share in 5 mins or less?




From cbc at unc.edu  Tue Apr 10 15:21:12 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:21:12 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] [Fwd: [plone_seattle] python/zope/plone job posting
	at UW]
Message-ID: <461B8F48.9040902@unc.edu>

Plone job at UWash which opened as a result of Camp 5.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [plone_seattle] python/zope/plone job posting at UW
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:42:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Bugni <pbugni at u.washington.edu>
To: seattle-python at lists.seapig.org, plone_seattle at lists.onenw.org


Hello Seattle python & plone list readers,

(Sorry about the cross posting for those of you on both lists.  Please
forward at will.)

Are you interested in a job working on open source development?
We need skilled software developers who can assist in porting a
number of existing projects at the University of Washington's
Health Sciences Library over to Zope and Plone, exercising the
exciting new Zope3 Component Architecture. You will improve the
tools that help health sciences students, faculty, researchers
and clinicians find the information and resources they need. More
information from the UW job posting is included below.

To apply, follow instructions in this link
<http://www.washington.edu/admin/hr/jobs/apl/howtoapply-ext.html>
to create an applicant profile. Once this is created you can view more
details about this position and apply at
<https://uwhires.admin.washington.edu/ENG/employees/default.cfm?szCategory=jobprofile&szOrderID=31669>.

Thanks for your consideration,
Paul Bugni

WEB COMPUTING SPECIALIST
Req #: 	31669
Department: 	H S LIBRARY
Job Location: 	Other Locations
Job Location Detail: 	Health Sciences Libraries
Posting Date: 	04/03/2007
Closing Info: 	Closes On  04/17/2007
Salary: 	Commensurate with education and experience

Notes:

Part of the application process for this position includes completing an
on-line assessment to obtain additional information that will be used in
the evaluation process. The assessment will appear on your screen for you
to complete as soon as you select "Apply to this Job" on this job
announcement. You have the option to begin the assessment or postpone it
BUT once you begin the assessment, it must be completed at that time. If
you postpone the assessment, it will appear on your "My Jobs" page to take
when you are ready. Please note that your application will not be
reviewed, and you will not be considered for this position until the
assessment is complete. If you have already completed this assessment for
another position, you will not be asked to complete it again.  The
University of Washington (UW) is proud to be one of the nation s premier
educational and research institutions. Our people are the most important
asset in our pursuit of achieving excellence in education, research, and
community service. Our staff not only enjoys outstanding benefits and
professional growth opportunities, but also an environment noted for
diversity, community involvement, intellectual excitement, artistic
pursuits, and natural beauty.

Health Sciences Library seeks a Web Computing Specialist to,
under the direction of the Head, Information Systems, develop,
install and maintain web applications. This position requires a
broad knowledge of Web/Internet software technologies, along with
an ability to communicate on technical subjects effectively with
non-technical faculty and staff.

Job Duties:

The Web Computing Specialist will work on programming, scripting,
and information architecture projects to maintain and add new
tools and functionality to existing web resources such as
HealthLinks (http://healthlinks.washington.edu/) and
PrimeAnswers (http://www.primeanswers.org/).

A major focus of the position will be working with the EthnoMed
website (http://www.ethnomed.org) team on a couple of grant
projects to design and move this site into a Plone content
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From cbc at unc.edu  Wed Apr 11 16:23:28 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:23:28 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] [Fwd: [ZPUGDC] More dope (read: awesome)
	presentation slides available!]
Message-ID: <461CEF60.5070803@unc.edu>

Couple of presentations from last month's ZPUGDC you may want to browse. 
The grok presentation appears to be the same one from Camp 5. Philipp 
was in DC for a few days before coming here.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [ZPUGDC] More dope (read: awesome) presentation slides available!
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:08:17 -0400
From: Alex Clark <aclark at aclark.net>
Reply-To: zpugdc at lists.zpugdc.org
To: zpugdc at lists.zpugdc.org

Thanks again to Paul Everitt and philiKON (Philipp von Weitershausen)
for a great March 2007 meeting. In case you missed it, you can now
download slides from their presentations here:

http://zpugdc.org/meetings/slides/meeting-49-plone-3
http://zpugdc.org/meetings/slides/meeting-49-grok

-- 
Alex Clark

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From cbc at unc.edu  Wed Apr 11 18:00:47 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:00:47 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] discount python books
Message-ID: <461D062F.8050500@unc.edu>

Now 50% off at bookpool:

Chun's new Core Python Programming:
http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0132269937

Dangoor's Rapid Web Applications with TurboGears: Using Python to Create 
Ajax-Powered Sites:
http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0132433885

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From cbc at unc.edu  Wed Apr 11 21:59:52 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:59:52 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] [Fwd: [plone_portland] Reminder: tomorrow,
 e-Commerce and Plone]
In-Reply-To: <461AE8FF.1030401@unc.edu>
References: <461AE8FF.1030401@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <461D3E38.6080703@unc.edu>

Chris Calloway wrote:
> The Portland Plone meeting this week will be about a project started at 
> Camp 5.

Richard's slides are now up:

http://7technw.com/resources/presentations/PloneGetPaid-PDX-Plone.pdf

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From biggers at utsl.com  Thu Apr 12 17:35:25 2007
From: biggers at utsl.com (Mark R. Biggers)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:35:25 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] TurboGears 1.0.x new stuff, FYI
Message-ID: <17950.20925.931631.70031@dexter.saiph.com>


o Bookmarker, another "sample" TG app, with 2 sets of talk-slides:

    http://chrisarndt.de/projects/bookmarker/

    SEE:  "another talk on TurboGears", for the RuPy conference 2007

  Chris' slides are very succinct & informative - a very good talk


o create TG controllers (.py) for your models, automatically. "Kickstart"
  your TG code with "tgcrud" (hmm, that name...)
 
    http://www.python.org/pypi/tgcrud/1.0Beta2  (easy-installable)

    SEE: Make a Book Site with TurboGears' screencast with tgcrud.


o and, there's always IRC coverage:

    irc://irc.freenode.net/#turbogears   -- my attempt at an IRC URL :)


Good stuff, have fun with it.
----mark



From cbc at unc.edu  Thu Apr 12 21:19:28 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:19:28 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Cheesecake testing extravaganza, grokness,
	new supervisor
Message-ID: <461E8640.2080109@unc.edu>

Paging Tom Bryan...

http://pycheesecake.org/ is a controversial site which has some great 
software testing information:

http://pycheesecake.org/wiki/AgileTestingArticlesAndTutorials

The first link on the page is very large catalog of Python testing tools:

http://pycheesecake.org/wiki/PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy

***

This blog entry from Philipp makes the case for grok being the 
replacement for TTW development:

http://www.z3lab.org/sections/blogs/philipp-weitershausen/2007_03_27_meet-grok-successor

Considering how much the "Z-shaped learning curve" had to do with the 
success of TriZPUG, maybe that's not such a good thing. :)

***

Chris McDonough has released Supervisor 2.1 as a result of the BBQ Sprint:

http://plope.com/Members/chrism/supervisor_2.1_released

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From cbc at unc.edu  Thu Apr 12 22:25:40 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:25:40 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] BBQ Sprint project gets Google Summer of Code
	funding
Message-ID: <461E95C4.9020503@unc.edu>

Way to go, Derek! Vice got Google Summer of Code funding:

http://code.google.com/soc/plone/appinfo.html?csaid=A1CADB885023A362

http://www.openplans.org/projects/bbq-sprint/vice-report

It's one of 8 Plone-oriented Google Summer of Code projects:

http://theploneblog.org/blog/archive/2007/04/11/eight-plone-projetcts-funded-by-google-summer-of-code

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From mrevoir at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 15:57:57 2007
From: mrevoir at gmail.com (Mike Revoir)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:57:57 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Presenters for April Meeting
Message-ID: <f4cf1c730704180657w6445cd36g7ef28fe85e364471@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I haven't heard back about a main presenter for this month's meeting. If
anyone would like to give a presentation I'd be happy to add you to the
agenda, otherwise I'd be happy to give a talk on creating workflows with
ArchGenXML.

We could also spend a few minutes coming up with topics (and presenters) for
future meetings as Chris seems to have his meetings planned out and I don't
:)

Thanks,

Mike
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From flyingfred0+trizpug at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 23:12:20 2007
From: flyingfred0+trizpug at gmail.com (Chris Church)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:12:20 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Presenters for April Meeting
In-Reply-To: <f4cf1c730704180657w6445cd36g7ef28fe85e364471@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f4cf1c730704180657w6445cd36g7ef28fe85e364471@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ea258670704181412v25b43f68rfc5020b6fa5fcf38@mail.gmail.com>

I'm still planning to give a presentation on ctypes.

I hope to start with the basics covered in the Python docs (loading
libraries, calling functions, fundamental data types) for those not
familiar with ctypes, and then get into some examples of the really
evil stuff you can do that's taken me a little trial and error to
figure out (casting, pointers, arrays, callback functions).  And I'll
try to compare some differences between writing a C module by hand vs.
swig vs. ctypes.

--
Chris Church
flyingfred0 at gmail.com


On 4/18/07, Mike Revoir <mrevoir at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I haven't heard back about a main presenter for this month's meeting. If
> anyone would like to give a presentation I'd be happy to add you to the
> agenda, otherwise I'd be happy to give a talk on creating workflows with
> ArchGenXML.
>
> We could also spend a few minutes coming up with topics (and presenters) for
> future meetings as Chris seems to have his meetings planned out and I don't
> :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
> triangle-zpug mailing list
> triangle-zpug at starship.python.net
> http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug
>
>



From cbc at unc.edu  Thu Apr 19 15:34:47 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:34:47 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Presenters for April Meeting
In-Reply-To: <1ea258670704181412v25b43f68rfc5020b6fa5fcf38@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f4cf1c730704180657w6445cd36g7ef28fe85e364471@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ea258670704181412v25b43f68rfc5020b6fa5fcf38@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46276FF7.40706@unc.edu>

Chris Church wrote:
> I'm still planning to give a presentation on ctypes.

Yay!

Sir, I would like to buy you a beer.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From felixtp at webmail.co.za  Thu Apr 19 19:12:43 2007
From: felixtp at webmail.co.za (felixtp at webmail.co.za)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:12:43 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: [triangle-zpug] users details
In-Reply-To: <46276FF7.40706@unc.edu>
References: <f4cf1c730704180657w6445cd36g7ef28fe85e364471@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ea258670704181412v25b43f68rfc5020b6fa5fcf38@mail.gmail.com>
	<46276FF7.40706@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <39580.196.212.253.142.1177002763.squirrel@mail.webmail.co.za>

Hi

Can someone help, i need a script to check all user accounts last login
against dormancy period and be able to delete users who haven't updated
their in 30 days detail then send an email to them.

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From bart at barthubbard.com  Fri Apr 20 22:13:28 2007
From: bart at barthubbard.com (Bart Hubbard)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:13:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Duke Web developer work available
Message-ID: <882855.80061.qm@web37214.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

I'm Bart Hubbard, and I and two coworkers were sitting on the back row at Camp5.  At Duke Health, we have a Web team that does a lot of work in Zope/CMF, and we're looking for more developers.  If you, or someone you know, is looking for work as a Web developer, send them my way.  Zope knowledge isn't required, but HTML/CSS, JavaScript, and software development experience is.

Enjoy the nice weather this weekend!

-bart


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From cbc at unc.edu  Mon Apr 23 22:34:48 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:34:48 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Python 3 short course
Message-ID: <462D1868.9090001@unc.edu>

http://e-scribe.com/news/351

Don't forget the meeting tomorrow (Chris Church on ctypes):

http://trizpug.org/Members/mrevoir/apr-07-mtg
-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From mrevoir at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 18:24:03 2007
From: mrevoir at gmail.com (Mike Revoir)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:24:03 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Last Night's Meeting
Message-ID: <f4cf1c730704250924q7d74cd46i9aa632897966528a@mail.gmail.com>

Chris Church's talk on ctypes last night was excellent. Thanks, Chris! I
feel like I could put ctypes into use fairly quickly after seeing your demo.
For those of you that missed it, Chris will be making it available at
http://trizpug.ninemoreminutes.com/.

As a reminder, we've got 3 upcoming Plone boot camps coming our way courtesy
of Joel Burton and Plone Bootcamps. July 30 - Aug 3 will be the original
Plone Developer Bootcamp we've come to know and love. This bootcamp will be
followed by Joel's Advanced Bootcamp on Aug 6 - Aug 9. The following day,
Aug 10, Joel will teach his Intro to Plone course suitable for managers and
content editors. Information and registration for these bootcamps can be
found at http://plonebootcamps.com/courses.

Have a nice day!

Mike
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From cbc at unc.edu  Wed Apr 25 20:32:25 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:32:25 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Python in IEEE Journal
Message-ID: <462F9EB9.1030601@unc.edu>

The most recent IEEE Computing in Science and Engineering is about Python:

http://computer.org/cise

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From cbc at unc.edu  Wed Apr 25 23:33:54 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:33:54 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Python in IEEE Journal
In-Reply-To: <462F9EB9.1030601@unc.edu>
References: <462F9EB9.1030601@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <462FC942.2070209@unc.edu>

Chris Calloway wrote:
> The most recent IEEE Computing in Science and Engineering is about Python:
> 
> http://computer.org/cise

The online version doesn't include all the print articles. Here are 
links to the author's copy of a couple of articles excluded from the 
online version:

iPython:
http://amath.colorado.edu/faculty/fperez/preprints/ipython-cise-final.pdf

matplotlib:
http://nitace.bsd.uchicago.edu/misc/c3sci.pdf

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From cbc at unc.edu  Thu Apr 26 00:52:31 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:52:31 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Python in IEEE Journal
In-Reply-To: <462FC942.2070209@unc.edu>
References: <462F9EB9.1030601@unc.edu> <462FC942.2070209@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <462FDBAF.6000002@unc.edu>

Chris Calloway wrote:
> The online version doesn't include all the print articles. Here are 
> links to the author's copy of a couple of articles excluded from the 
> online version:

And another one:

A Python Module for Modeling and Control Design of Flexible Robots:

http://www.siue.edu/~rkrauss/pdfs/python-flexible-robots.pdf

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From adam at hupp.org  Thu Apr 26 15:30:31 2007
From: adam at hupp.org (Adam Hupp)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:30:31 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Last Night's Meeting
In-Reply-To: <f4cf1c730704250924q7d74cd46i9aa632897966528a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f4cf1c730704250924q7d74cd46i9aa632897966528a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070426133031.GA27521@mouth.upl.cs.wisc.edu>

On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 12:24:03PM -0400, Mike Revoir wrote:
> Chris Church's talk on ctypes last night was excellent. Thanks, Chris! I
> feel like I could put ctypes into use fairly quickly after seeing your demo.
> For those of you that missed it, Chris will be making it available at
> http://trizpug.ninemoreminutes.com/.

Seconded, that was a very interesting talk.  During the talk I had
asked a question about how ctypes handles memory management.  The
answer turns out to be pretty obvious in retrospect: you manually call
'free' via the C library.

-Adam




From adam at hupp.org  Thu Apr 26 15:30:31 2007
From: adam at hupp.org (Adam Hupp)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:30:31 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Last Night's Meeting
In-Reply-To: <f4cf1c730704250924q7d74cd46i9aa632897966528a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f4cf1c730704250924q7d74cd46i9aa632897966528a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070426133031.GA27521@mouth.upl.cs.wisc.edu>

On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 12:24:03PM -0400, Mike Revoir wrote:
> Chris Church's talk on ctypes last night was excellent. Thanks, Chris! I
> feel like I could put ctypes into use fairly quickly after seeing your demo.
> For those of you that missed it, Chris will be making it available at
> http://trizpug.ninemoreminutes.com/.

Seconded, that was a very interesting talk.  During the talk I had
asked a question about how ctypes handles memory management.  The
answer turns out to be pretty obvious in retrospect: you manually call
'free' via the C library.

-Adam




From wemartin at email.unc.edu  Fri Apr 27 20:41:25 2007
From: wemartin at email.unc.edu (wemartin at email.unc.edu)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:41:25 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Django expertise needed
Message-ID: <20070427144125.d7yv861iqsgwkock@webmail4.isis.unc.edu>

Trizpuggers!

Below is part of a message from Mark Taber at Pearson Education. He's 
an acquisition editor there and is looking for a Django-ite to review a 
book proposal. If you have the expertise and are interested please 
contact him directly.

Thanks,

Walt Martin
UNC Health Care System

----- Forwarded message from mark.taber at pearsoned.com -----
    Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:06:55 -0400
    From: "Taber, Mark" <mark.taber at pearsoned.com>
Reply-To: "Taber, Mark" <mark.taber at pearsoned.com>
      To: Walter Martin <wemartin at email.unc.edu>
[snip]

do you
know much, by chance, about Django? I have a proposal for a Teach
Yourself book on Django in, but I desperately need a couple knowledgable
people to give me a quick review before I can sign it. (If you can't,
that's certainly understandable, but let me know if anybody else comes
to mind). Thanks!

Mark
--
Mark Taber | Associate Publisher | Pearson Education
mark.taber at pearsoned.com | www.marktaber.com | +1 317 428 3323
Developer's Library | MySQL Press | Novell Press | Sams Publishing





From drose at kudzumediagroup.com  Sat Apr 28 21:27:31 2007
From: drose at kudzumediagroup.com (David Rose)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 15:27:31 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Seeking lead developer for a Plone based online
	community
Message-ID: <887c806e0704281227h18d3fda9ncfbcbb826a1206eb@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

A new Chapel Hill, NC media company is building an online community for the
music business and is seeking a developer to lead this Plone based project.
The initial project will include a wiki, blog and forums. The position will
be part-time / contract.

If you have interest in this project please contact me.

Thanks

-- 
David Rose
Kudzu Media Group, Inc.
919-370-9139 office
drose at kudzumediagroup.com
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From robert at geigers.net  Sun Apr 29 01:39:06 2007
From: robert at geigers.net (Robert Geiger)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 19:39:06 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Seeking lead developer for a Plone based online
 community
In-Reply-To: <887c806e0704281227h18d3fda9ncfbcbb826a1206eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <887c806e0704281227h18d3fda9ncfbcbb826a1206eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4633DB1A.2090107@geigers.net>

David,

I'd love to work on a part time Plone project.

I've been cranking out the plone sites and here are some of them...

http://robert.geigers.net
http://www.ncflyingtigers.org
http://www.tobaccohabit.com (experiment in affiliate marketing)
http://www.geigers.net
http://www.zengo.biz

My resume site is the http://robert.geiger.net site and my open source 
related consulting site is the zengo.biz site.

I would just love to contribute to such a site as yours.  A least give 
me a call to discuss it at 919.271.7132!


Thanks for your consideration,

Robert




David Rose wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> A new Chapel Hill, NC media company is building an online community for 
> the music business and is seeking a developer to lead this Plone based 
> project. The initial project will include a wiki, blog and forums. The 
> position will be part-time / contract.
> 
> If you have interest in this project please contact me.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- 
> David Rose
> Kudzu Media Group, Inc.
> 919-370-9139 office
> drose at kudzumediagroup.com <mailto:drose at kudzumediagroup.com>
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> triangle-zpug mailing list
> triangle-zpug at starship.python.net
> http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug

-- 

Robert Geiger
919.271.7132
http://robert.geigers.net

Have a great day!
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