From kathryn at 21stcenturyhomeimprovement.com Thu Jun 2 21:13:59 2011 From: kathryn at 21stcenturyhomeimprovement.com (kathryn at 21stcenturyhomeimprovement.com) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 15:13:59 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Question reguarding Spam Bayes Message-ID: Hi - I had a question RE: my spam folder. It used to have this connecting folder tab next to it, called junk suspect, but now, it's not there anymore and i'm not sure how to retreve it. Please get back to me asap. Thank you. From afilice at pcworld.com Wed Jun 1 22:47:10 2011 From: afilice at pcworld.com (Albert Filice) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:47:10 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] =?windows-1252?q?SpamBayes_Has_Been_Selected_for_PCWo?= =?windows-1252?q?rld=92s_Privacy_=26_Security_CD-ROM?= Message-ID: To the SpamBayes team: Congratulations! On behalf of PCWorld, I?m delighted to tell you that SpamBayes has been selected for possible inclusion on PCWorld?s upcoming Privacy and Security CD. 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Please note that because we?re on a tight production schedule, only companies that respond by 5:00PM PST on Monday, June 21, 2011, will be eligible for inclusion on the Privacy and Security CD-ROM. I?d be glad to answer any questions you might have. I look forward to working with you! Thank you. Sincerely, Albert Filice afilice at pcworld.com From marcus at marcusmaclean.com Tue Jun 7 21:56:52 2011 From: marcus at marcusmaclean.com (Marcus Maclean) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 07:56:52 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Making a donation Message-ID: Hi there, I'm interested in making a donation to your project, and was wondering if it's ok to put a link back to my site on the donations page? Cheers Marcus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We don't provide links back to anyone in exchange for contributions. http://www.python.org/psf/ -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ From rking at preflightventures.com Thu Jun 9 16:47:48 2011 From: rking at preflightventures.com (Rick King) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:47:48 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Need help with Spambayes error when try to review Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at pobox.com Thu Jun 9 18:13:55 2011 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:13:55 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Need help with Spambayes error when try to review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19952.61763.12185.657474@montanaro.dyndns.org> Rick> DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Rick> Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal Rick> region error detected; run recovery') Rick, Your training database is corrupt. You will need to retrain from scratch. This is sometimes a symptom of multiple programs writing to the database. Going forward, make sure that's not the case. -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ From meckfessel at mrmsi.com Sun Jun 12 00:34:02 2011 From: meckfessel at mrmsi.com (Donna Meckfessel) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 17:34:02 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Configuration Message-ID: <697FD07E4EB34E3FB76ABC782E1EB4EB@donnameckfessel> How do you access the Wizard Configuration? I keep getting pop ups to tell me to do this, but I don't find a link. Donna Meckfessel Corporate Risk Services, LLC 5502 Walsh Lane, Suite 103 Rogers, AR 72758 479-271-7475 fax 271-7141 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rdarling1 at dc.rr.com Mon Jun 13 17:47:07 2011 From: rdarling1 at dc.rr.com (Richard Darling, DDS) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 08:47:07 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Huh? Message-ID: <13C6A5034A194ACE97FE748283738750@RichardPC> About.com recommended 10 apps like yours for MS Outlook. I went to your site to get it, too confusing for regular folks. Make it simpler and we might try it. RD -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at pobox.com Mon Jun 13 18:55:49 2011 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:55:49 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Huh? In-Reply-To: <13C6A5034A194ACE97FE748283738750@RichardPC> References: <13C6A5034A194ACE97FE748283738750@RichardPC> Message-ID: <19958.16661.86894.856169@montanaro.dyndns.org> Richard> About.com recommended 10 apps like yours for MS Outlook. I went Richard> to your site to get it, too confusing for regular folks. Make Richard> it simpler and we might try it. I suspect that unlike most plugins you'll find for Outlook, SpamBayes supports a number of different email environments. It doesn't help that over the years the number of different Windows and Outlook variants has changed. Outlook+Windows has hardly been a stationary target. Finally, being an all-volunteer army, with little currently active Windows expertise doesn't help. Give the 1.1a6 binary a whirl: https://sourceforge.net/projects/spambayes/files/spambayes/1.1a6/spambayes-1.1a6.exe/download There have been lots of reports of problems with 64-bit Windows, so YMMV, again, depending on your Outlook+Windows environment. -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ From skip at pobox.com Tue Jun 14 11:22:30 2011 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 04:22:30 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Question reguarding Spam Bayes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19959.10326.40184.360918@montanaro.dyndns.org> kathryn> I had a question RE: my spam folder. It used to have this kathryn> connecting folder tab next to it, called junk suspect, but now, kathryn> it's not there anymore and i'm not sure how to retreve it. Sorry for the delay responding. Got lost in my inbox while I was on vacation. I believe there are instructions in the SpamBayes FAQ for restoring your junk suspects folder. Try this to see if it works for you: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam-folder -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ From skip at pobox.com Tue Jun 14 12:19:12 2011 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 05:19:12 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Configuration In-Reply-To: <697FD07E4EB34E3FB76ABC782E1EB4EB@donnameckfessel> References: <697FD07E4EB34E3FB76ABC782E1EB4EB@donnameckfessel> Message-ID: <19959.13728.372942.410694@montanaro.dyndns.org> Donna> How do you access the Wizard Configuration? I keep getting pop Donna> ups to tell me to do this, but I don't find a link. I assume you're using the Outlook Plugin. I'm not a Windows user, but I thought wizard execution was normally part of the installation process. Perhaps try reinstalling the plugin. -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ From amedee at vangasse.eu Wed Jun 15 17:49:24 2011 From: amedee at vangasse.eu (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:49:24 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes 1.1a6 not working since upgrade Debian Lenny -> Squeeze (with Python 2.6.6) Message-ID: <2f8463e4537c6e5532d9dafc0fe62dd4.squirrel@www.amedee.be> A couple of days ago I upgraded my server from Debian Lenny to Debian Squeeze. Since then I'm seeing these lines in my procmail.log: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py", line 4, in import pkg_resources File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 2671, in working_set.require(__requires__) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 654, in require needed = self.resolve(parse_requirements(requirements)) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 552, in resolve raise DistributionNotFound(req) pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: spambayes==1.1a6 procmail: Program failure (1) of "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py" procmail: Rescue of unfiltered data succeeded My best guess is that the Debian upgrade included an upgrade of Python, and that this is related to the messages that I'm seeing. This is my current version of Python: $ python --version Python 2.6.6 According to the 1.0.4 release notes, the 1.1 version is built with Python 2.4. According to the 1.1a6 release notes, Python >= 2.4 is required. (your work, Skip) My questions are: * is SpamBayes 1.1a6 compatible with Python 2.6.6? * if yes: what is my next course of action to make it work again? * if no: how can I help? I have never written anything in Python but how hard can it be? -- Amedee From dale at BriannasSaladDressing.com Wed Jun 15 20:49:18 2011 From: dale at BriannasSaladDressing.com (Dale Schroeder) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:49:18 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes 1.1a6 not working since upgrade Debian Lenny -> Squeeze (with Python 2.6.6) In-Reply-To: <2f8463e4537c6e5532d9dafc0fe62dd4.squirrel@www.amedee.be> References: <2f8463e4537c6e5532d9dafc0fe62dd4.squirrel@www.amedee.be> Message-ID: <4DF8FEAE.5090309@BriannasSaladDressing.com> I don't use procmail, so my error messages were different, but I was not able to make the latest Debian 2.6.* work with 1.1a6. When I was using Squeeze, I had to run against python 2.5 to make 1.1a6 work. That trick no longer works in Wheezy, but I have had success with Skip's latest 1.1b1 found at http://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=display&name=spambayes testing against python 2.5, 2.6, and 2.7. The 1st thread is the Squeeze thread and the 2nd is the Wheezy thread. http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2011-January/022942.html http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2011-May/023004.html Dale On 06/15/2011 10:49 AM, Amedee Van Gasse wrote: > A couple of days ago I upgraded my server from Debian Lenny to Debian > Squeeze. Since then I'm seeing these lines in my procmail.log: > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py", line 4, in > import pkg_resources > File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 2671, in > > working_set.require(__requires__) > File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 654, in > require > needed = self.resolve(parse_requirements(requirements)) > File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 552, in > resolve > raise DistributionNotFound(req) > pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: spambayes==1.1a6 > procmail: Program failure (1) of "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py" > procmail: Rescue of unfiltered data succeeded > > > My best guess is that the Debian upgrade included an upgrade of Python, > and that this is related to the messages that I'm seeing. This is my > current version of Python: > > > $ python --version > Python 2.6.6 > > > According to the 1.0.4 release notes, the 1.1 version is built with Python > 2.4. > According to the 1.1a6 release notes, Python>= 2.4 is required. (your > work, Skip) > > > > My questions are: > * is SpamBayes 1.1a6 compatible with Python 2.6.6? > * if yes: what is my next course of action to make it work again? > * if no: how can I help? I have never written anything in Python but how > hard can it be? > > > From skip at pobox.com Wed Jun 15 22:37:17 2011 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:37:17 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes 1.1a6 not working since upgrade Debian Lenny -> Squeeze (with Python 2.6.6) In-Reply-To: <2f8463e4537c6e5532d9dafc0fe62dd4.squirrel@www.amedee.be> References: <2f8463e4537c6e5532d9dafc0fe62dd4.squirrel@www.amedee.be> Message-ID: <19961.6141.647606.644934@montanaro.dyndns.org> Amedee> A couple of days ago I upgraded my server from Debian Lenny to Amedee> Debian Squeeze. Since then I'm seeing these lines in my Amedee> procmail.log: ... Amedee> raise DistributionNotFound(req) Amedee> pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: spambayes==1.1a6 Amedee> procmail: Program failure (1) of "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py" Amedee> procmail: Rescue of unfiltered data succeeded I have no direct experience with the pkg_resources module. Amedee> My best guess is that the Debian upgrade included an upgrade of Amedee> Python, and that this is related to the messages that I'm Amedee> seeing. This is my current version of Python: 1.1b1 is out: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/spambayes/ Is there a reason not to use that? Amedee> My questions are: Amedee> * is SpamBayes 1.1a6 compatible with Python 2.6.6? I run SpamBayes from my sandbox with the bleeding edge of Python 2.7. I have no doubt it will work with Python 2.6.x. Amedee> * if yes: what is my next course of action to make it work again? Convince the Debian folks to update their SpamBayes package perhaps? (Or update your installed package to what the Debian folks are distributing.) Amedee> * if no: how can I help? I have never written anything in Python Amedee> but how hard can it be? Not hard, but this doesn't look like a coding problem to me. It looks like a packaging problem. I suspect the Debian maintainers will be much more helpful than I can be. Skip From amedee at vangasse.eu Thu Jun 16 10:04:38 2011 From: amedee at vangasse.eu (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:04:38 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes 1.1a6 not working since upgrade Debian Lenny -> Squeeze (with Python 2.6.6) In-Reply-To: <4DF8FEAE.5090309@BriannasSaladDressing.com> References: <2f8463e4537c6e5532d9dafc0fe62dd4.squirrel@www.amedee.be> <4DF8FEAE.5090309@BriannasSaladDressing.com> Message-ID: On Wed, June 15, 2011 20:49, Dale Schroeder wrote: > I don't use procmail, so my error messages were different, but I was not > able to make the latest Debian 2.6.* work with 1.1a6. When I was using > Squeeze, I had to run against python 2.5 to make 1.1a6 work. > > That trick no longer works in Wheezy, but I have had success with Skip's > latest 1.1b1 found at > http://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=display&name=spambayes > testing > against python 2.5, 2.6, and 2.7. > > The 1st thread is the Squeeze thread and the 2nd is the Wheezy thread. > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2011-January/022942.html > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2011-May/023004.html > > Dale I *think* I fixed it. I downloaded 1.1a6 from SF, untarred it, cd'ed into the directory, and entered this command: amedee at intrepid:~/download/spambayes-1.1a6$ sudo python setup.py install Since then I'm no longer seeing errors in my procmail.log and my ham/unsure/spam folders get populated again with mails that have a X-Spambayes-Classification header. I didn't know about the 1.1b1 version, I'll have to look into that. -- Amedee From skip at pobox.com Thu Jun 16 13:59:48 2011 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 06:59:48 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes 1.1a6 not working since upgrade Debian Lenny -> Squeeze (with Python 2.6.6) In-Reply-To: References: <2f8463e4537c6e5532d9dafc0fe62dd4.squirrel@www.amedee.be> <4DF8FEAE.5090309@BriannasSaladDressing.com> Message-ID: <19961.61492.116795.503587@montanaro.dyndns.org> Amedee> I *think* I fixed it. Amedee> I downloaded 1.1a6 from SF, untarred it, cd'ed into the Amedee> directory, and entered this command: Amedee> amedee at intrepid:~/download/spambayes-1.1a6$ sudo python setup.py install Amedee> Since then I'm no longer seeing errors in my procmail.log and my Amedee> ham/unsure/spam folders get populated again with mails that have Amedee> a X-Spambayes-Classification header. The only problem with this approach is that you may now have files installed into the space where Debian rules things. It might get confused if you later go to install or upgrade SpamBayes packages from Debian. Skip From dale at BriannasSaladDressing.com Thu Jun 16 15:45:38 2011 From: dale at BriannasSaladDressing.com (Dale Schroeder) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:45:38 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes 1.1a6 not working since upgrade Debian Lenny -> Squeeze (with Python 2.6.6) In-Reply-To: <19961.61492.116795.503587@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <2f8463e4537c6e5532d9dafc0fe62dd4.squirrel@www.amedee.be> <4DF8FEAE.5090309@BriannasSaladDressing.com> <19961.61492.116795.503587@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4DFA0902.1030709@BriannasSaladDressing.com> On 06/16/2011 6:59 AM, skip at pobox.com wrote: > Amedee> I *think* I fixed it. > > Amedee> I downloaded 1.1a6 from SF, untarred it, cd'ed into the > Amedee> directory, and entered this command: > > Amedee> amedee at intrepid:~/download/spambayes-1.1a6$ sudo python setup.py install > > Amedee> Since then I'm no longer seeing errors in my procmail.log and my > Amedee> ham/unsure/spam folders get populated again with mails that have > Amedee> a X-Spambayes-Classification header. > > The only problem with this approach is that you may now have files installed > into the space where Debian rules things. It might get confused if you > later go to install or upgrade SpamBayes packages from Debian. > > Skip > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html That's the primary reason I chose python-stdeb to build a new Debian package for SpamBayes.. I can install, uninstall, reinstall as needed. That's very convenient since there is no indication when Debian might upgrade the official package. Dale From amedee at vangasse.eu Thu Jun 16 22:37:19 2011 From: amedee at vangasse.eu (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:37:19 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes 1.1a6 not working since upgrade Debian Lenny -> Squeeze (with Python 2.6.6) In-Reply-To: <19961.6141.647606.644934@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <2f8463e4537c6e5532d9dafc0fe62dd4.squirrel@www.amedee.be> <19961.6141.647606.644934@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <66d56026aa94fed2e6ffe14955d4aab6.squirrel@amedee.be> On Wed, June 15, 2011 22:37, skip at pobox.com wrote: > 1.1b1 is out: > > http://pypi.python.org/pypi/spambayes/ > > Is there a reason not to use that? Except the fact that until a couple of hours ago I wasn't aware that 1.1b1 existed? No, not a reason at all. :) -- Amedee From amedee at vangasse.eu Thu Jun 16 22:38:54 2011 From: amedee at vangasse.eu (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:38:54 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes 1.1a6 not working since upgrade Debian Lenny -> Squeeze (with Python 2.6.6) In-Reply-To: <19961.61492.116795.503587@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <2f8463e4537c6e5532d9dafc0fe62dd4.squirrel@www.amedee.be> <4DF8FEAE.5090309@BriannasSaladDressing.com> <19961.61492.116795.503587@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <0962c33c482f4dbb36d0de23659441ab.squirrel@amedee.be> On Thu, June 16, 2011 13:59, skip at pobox.com wrote: > > Amedee> I *think* I fixed it. > > Amedee> I downloaded 1.1a6 from SF, untarred it, cd'ed into the > Amedee> directory, and entered this command: > > Amedee> amedee at intrepid:~/download/spambayes-1.1a6$ sudo python > setup.py install > > Amedee> Since then I'm no longer seeing errors in my procmail.log and > my > Amedee> ham/unsure/spam folders get populated again with mails that > have > Amedee> a X-Spambayes-Classification header. > > The only problem with this approach is that you may now have files > installed > into the space where Debian rules things. It might get confused if you > later go to install or upgrade SpamBayes packages from Debian. Spambayes is one of the very few packages where I won't rely on Debian's package manglement, so I don't see that as a problem. But thanks for letting me know. -- Amedee From skip at pobox.com Sat Jun 18 22:03:29 2011 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:03:29 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <000001cc2deb$32198700$964c9500$@carafinancial.com> References: <000001cc2deb$32198700$964c9500$@carafinancial.com> Message-ID: <19965.1169.736051.479026@montanaro.dyndns.org> mark> I am having problems trying to make SpamBeys work with windows mark> 7. Outlook would not let me open. mark> Any suggestions. 64-bit? This seems to be an ongoing issue. Unless you can help debug/fix the problem you might be SOL. I have no access to Windows and none of the people who previously worked on the Outlook plugin are available. -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ From chris at thewoodmans.plus.com Tue Jun 21 15:13:14 2011 From: chris at thewoodmans.plus.com (Chris Woodman) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:13:14 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted processing of items already in Inbox Message-ID: <642186327B3F43CE9974AF6D8687ADA2@napoleon> Hi everyone (anyone?) I've used Spambayes in the past with Outlook 2003 (and before that with Outlook Express) and found it excellent. I've just had to reinstall Windows XP and Spambayes, and now that I find that as soon as I enable it, it insists on processing all the items that are already in my Inbox (about 8000 items). I just want to train it on new mail as it arrives. I was able to do that last time and it worked fine. Can anyone point out what I have done wrong? I found this email link on the Spambayes FAQ page. I'm not sure where I will find any replies I receive but perhaps one of you would be good enough to tell me. Many thanks Chris Woodman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at pobox.com Tue Jun 21 16:33:53 2011 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:33:53 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted processing of items already in Inbox In-Reply-To: <642186327B3F43CE9974AF6D8687ADA2@napoleon> References: <642186327B3F43CE9974AF6D8687ADA2@napoleon> Message-ID: <19968.43985.381142.80222@montanaro.dyndns.org> Chris> I've just had to reinstall Windows XP and Spambayes, and now that Chris> I find that as soon as I enable it, it insists on processing all Chris> the items that are already in my Inbox (about 8000 items). I Chris> just want to train it on new mail as it arrives. I was able to Chris> do that last time and it worked fine. Can anyone point out what Chris> I have done wrong? It's not obvious to me that you've done anything wrong, but I don't have any real-life experience with the Outlook plugin. Perhaps one of the people here who use that app can help. Also, make sure you at least skim the frequently asked questions list: http://www.spambayes.org/faq.html and read the Outlook plugin troubleshooting guide: http://spambayes.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/spambayes/trunk/spambayes/Outlook2000/docs/troubleshooting.html Chris> I found this email link on the Spambayes FAQ page. I'm not sure Chris> where I will find any replies I receive but perhaps one of you Chris> would be good enough to tell me. If people "reply all" you will get a direct response. You can also subscribe to the mailing list (in which case you will see all list traffic), or browse the archives of the list here: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/ -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ From vicfleming at att.net Tue Jun 21 17:42:46 2011 From: vicfleming at att.net (Vic Fleming) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spambayes] Help me get Spambayes back Message-ID: <418678.93692.qm@web180508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I got a message from Outlook that I needed to disable SpamBayes and then reinstall it. I disabled it, deleted it, uninstalled it?I?m pretty sure I got that part correct. ? I?ve downloaded it again and tried to reinstall it, but it will not work. ? I've tried several things to overcome whatever obstacle it is that I have hit and I have?reached a point of total disconnect between what I understand and what is?happening. If someone would be willing to talk me through this, I will provide a toll-free phone number. ? Vic Fleming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at pobox.com Tue Jun 21 18:00:06 2011 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:00:06 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Help me get Spambayes back In-Reply-To: <418678.93692.qm@web180508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <418678.93692.qm@web180508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <19968.49158.387484.591599@montanaro.dyndns.org> Vic> I got a message from Outlook that I needed to disable SpamBayes and Vic> then reinstall it. I disabled it, deleted it, uninstalled it?I?m Vic> pretty sure I got that part correct. Vic> I?ve downloaded it again and tried to reinstall it, but it will not Vic> work. Vic> I've tried several things to overcome whatever obstacle it is that Vic> I have hit and I have reached a point of total disconnect between Vic> what I understand and what is happening. If someone would be Vic> willing to talk me through this, I will provide a toll-free phone Vic> number. Vic, Sorry, we are all volunteers here. It's unlikely that a toll-free number will help. Can you give some parameters for your setup? What version of Windows and Outlook are you using? What version of SpamBayes are you trying to install? Do you get any possibly useful messages from the Outlook plugin? Can you find the log file? Please take a look at the troubleshooting guide for the Outlook plugin: http://spambayes.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/spambayes/trunk/spambayes/Outlook2000/docs/troubleshooting.html and see if that helps move you forward. If nothing else, it contains directions to help you locate the log file. If you can find and post that it might have some useful clues. -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ From spmbn at hotmail.com Tue Jun 21 23:51:37 2011 From: spmbn at hotmail.com (Luke Paris) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:51:37 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] More on SSL Message-ID: Having accepted that I wouldn't be able to get spambayes to work with hotmail pop, I've been forced to revisit the stunnel possibility by the increasing realisation that Spamihilator was completely and utterly useless, and seemed to learn nothing in the year or so I had it working, and the fact that Spambayes stopped working with my Virgin email (rebranded gmail). For some reason, although it would get the list of messages fine, and (usually) download the first message fine, it would hang thereafter, although eventually, after a day or so, manage to download all the messages. But not usable, really. Problem is that I can't get stunnel to work, and it seems to be a spambayes problem, in that if I get outlook express to go direct through stunnel, everything goes fine, but put spambayes in the middle and it doesn't work. Configuration is outlook express->spambayes listening on port 15110 with mail server set to 127.0.0.1:16110->stunnel listening on port 16110 in client mode->pop.virgin.net:995. SSL not specified at any level (but inherent in use of stunnel). outlook express->stunnel listening on port 16110 in client mode->pop.virgin.net:995 works. The error message I'm getting from outlook express is bizarre - it says "The server responded with an error. Account: 'Virgin', Server: 'localhost', Protocol: POP3, Server Response: 'gin Media POP3 server ready [ e4c558782VN ].', Port: 15110, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 0x800CCC90, Error Number: 0x800CCC90". So the server response appears truncated when fed via spambayes (but not via stunnel alone). I get a similar error text with hotmail. I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling spambayes, and turned off message caching. I really, really don't want to dispense with my hammie and spammie db's as these are obviously the reason that spambayes has a near perfect record, even now. Any suggestions as to what could be going wrong? Thanks From dewhitten at comcast.net Fri Jun 24 21:55:58 2011 From: dewhitten at comcast.net (Douglas Whitten) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:55:58 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 Spambayes Database Problem Message-ID: <000001cc32a8$bdc91bf0$395b53d0$@comcast.net> Configuration: Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit) Outlook 2010 SpamBayes 1.1a6 Starting from a clean system (no SpamBayes files or directories) and with Outlook not running, I install SpamBayes. It installs fine. I start Outlook, and get the SpamBayes add-on startup wizard (where it asks me about locations for good and bad messages, where to put questionable messages, etc.). SpamBayes initializes properly: I see it in the COM Add-ins list of Outlook, I see the SpamBayes toolbar, I can access the SpamBayes manager. I stop Outlook. I start Outlook. SpamBayes does not initialize. Instead I get a SpamBayes pop-up saying "There was an error initializing the SpamBayes addin. Please re-start Outlook and try again.". Restarting Outlook does not help - I get the same pop-up. Outlook still has SpamBayes listed as an active COM Add-in. There is no SpamBayes error or log file generated. Uninstalling and re-installing SpamBayes does not fix the problem. When I do this, the very first time I start Outlook, I get the SpamBayes pop-up. After some experimenting, I believe the problem is with the SpamBayes database files (default_bayes_database.db and default_message_database.db): 1. These files are not deleted when I uninstall SpamBayes. On installation, they are not overwritten, but remain unchanged. 2. If I stop Outlook and manually delete these two files, when I start Outlook, SpamBayes initializes fine (I get the SpamBayes add-on startup wizard). These files are located in "c:/users//appdata/roaming/spambayes". I can't see any problems with these files or the directory: Everybody has read/write/modify/execute permissions on everything. Anybody have any suggestions I can try, or some more information I can supply? Douglas Whitten dewhitten at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at pobox.com Fri Jun 24 22:03:36 2011 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:03:36 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 Spambayes Database Problem In-Reply-To: <000001cc32a8$bdc91bf0$395b53d0$@comcast.net> References: <000001cc32a8$bdc91bf0$395b53d0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <19972.60824.211448.844912@montanaro.dyndns.org> Douglas> Configuration: Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit) ^^^^^^ We have had many reports of SpamBayes not working on 64-bit versions of Windows. You might take a look at this thread from about a year ago: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2010-June/022815.html and see if you can advance the state of the art. Sorry I can't be more helpful. Skip From skip at montanaro.dyndns.org Fri Jun 24 22:09:54 2011 From: skip at montanaro.dyndns.org (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:09:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Spambayes] If we don't get some more Windows help pretty soon... Message-ID: <20110624200954.1AF1F166F492@montanaro.dyndns.org> If we can't find someone with the time and inclination to dig into problems running SpamBayes in a Win7 64-bit+Outlook 2010 environment pretty soon, I think it might be time to think about closing up shop. Other than the occasional, "Help! I deleted my Junk Suspects folder!" questions, the bulk of the problems reported here over the past year have related to the 64-bit Win7 environment. We really need to find some people who can help with this. If you have any ideas, please post them here. Thx, Skip From richie at entrian.com Sat Jun 25 14:43:09 2011 From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 13:43:09 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] If we don't get some more Windows help pretty soon... In-Reply-To: <20110624200954.1AF1F166F492@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <20110624200954.1AF1F166F492@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Hi Skip, > If we can't find someone with the time and inclination to dig into problems > running SpamBayes in a Win7 64-bit+Outlook 2010 environment pretty soon, I > think it might be time to think about closing up shop. I'm afraid I don't have either an available 64-bit Windows box or Outlook, so I can't help... sorry. -- Richie Hindle richie at entrian.com http://entrian.com/blog http://twitter.com/richiehindle From tim.peters at gmail.com Sat Jun 25 17:22:23 2011 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 11:22:23 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] If we don't get some more Windows help pretty soon... In-Reply-To: <20110624200954.1AF1F166F492@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <20110624200954.1AF1F166F492@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: [Skip Montanaro] > If we can't find someone with the time and inclination to dig into problems > running SpamBayes in a Win7 64-bit+Outlook 2010 environment pretty soon, I > think it might be time to think about closing up shop. ?Other than the > occasional, "Help! I deleted my Junk Suspects folder!" questions, the bulk > of the problems reported here over the past year have related to the 64-bit > Win7 environment. ?We really need to find some people who can help with > this. > > If you have any ideas, please post them here. I don't think we need to close up shop - we can only be straightforward about the state of it. "Sorry, at the time we have no developers able to work on that configuration". It's a FAQ, and pointing to that is all the response needed or possible. I know you like to be helpful, Skip, and have been _very_ helpful here since the start, and this is frustrating for all who like to help. But it is what it is, and capable Windows developers willing to work "for free" are mighty rare. The software continues to be of real value on many other platforms, right? Evolution in practice ;-) For me, I haven't used "my" project in years - I use gmail for almost all my email now. And I don't have any of {Win7, 64-bit, Outlook 2010} even I had time to dig into it. So I don't expect anything substantive here to change in the foreseeable future. But that's OK! Spambayes delivered remarkable value to countless thousands of users, and still does. If users of some popular WIndows configurations are out of luck for now, they should really blame Microsoft ;-) From demontaz187 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 25 17:59:43 2011 From: demontaz187 at yahoo.com (Demon Taz) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spambayes] If we don't get some more Windows help pretty soon... Message-ID: <1309017583.5292.YahooMailRC@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Please don't close up shop over Windows users. I am a very happy longtime Linux user! Too many people want "*clickety-click* yay! it works!" It really is not hard to use an old PC to setup a pop/imap server with procmail to get the real benefit of SpamBayes. http://www.hypexr.org/linux_mail_server.php If I were a Windows user and really wanted to use SpamBayes, I would take the time to just setup my own server and use SpamBayes as it was meant to be used. $0.02. On 06/24/2011 04:09 PM, skip at pobox.com wrote: > > If we can't find someone with the time and inclination to dig into problems > running SpamBayes in a Win7 64-bit+Outlook 2010 environment pretty soon, I > think it might be time to think about closing up shop. Other than the > occasional, "Help! I deleted my Junk Suspects folder!" questions, the bulk > of the problems reported here over the past year have related to the 64-bit > Win7 environment. We really need to find some people who can help with > this. > > If you have any ideas, please post them here. > > Thx, > > Skip > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From dale at BriannasSaladDressing.com Mon Jun 27 21:19:37 2011 From: dale at BriannasSaladDressing.com (Dale Schroeder) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:19:37 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] If we don't get some more Windows help pretty soon... In-Reply-To: <1309017583.5292.YahooMailRC@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1309017583.5292.YahooMailRC@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E08D7C9.9080807@BriannasSaladDressing.com> On 06/25/2011 10:59 AM, Demon Taz wrote: > Please don't close up shop over Windows users. > > I am a very happy longtime Linux user! > > Too many people want "*clickety-click* yay! it works!" > > It really is not hard to use an old PC to setup a pop/imap server with procmail > to get the real benefit of SpamBayes. > > http://www.hypexr.org/linux_mail_server.php > > If I were a Windows user and really wanted to use SpamBayes, I would take the > time to just setup my own server and use SpamBayes as it was meant to be used. > > $0.02. Exactly what we do. We have SpamBayes on a Debian server running sb_server.py, sitting between our mail provider's servers and the Windows clients (all are 32 bit). It filters for all, including those who use Outlook. Thanks to Skip's version 1.1b1, it continues to work wonderfully, so I echo your $0.02. As an alternative, does sb_server.py with 32 bit python (from the SpamBayes installer for Windows) work on a 64 bit Windows system, or do the same problems occur as with the addin? It may not be as convenient as an Outlook addin, but if it works............................ Dale > On 06/24/2011 04:09 PM, skip at pobox.com wrote: >> If we can't find someone with the time and inclination to dig into problems >> running SpamBayes in a Win7 64-bit+Outlook 2010 environment pretty soon, I >> think it might be time to think about closing up shop. Other than the >> occasional, "Help! I deleted my Junk Suspects folder!" questions, the bulk >> of the problems reported here over the past year have related to the 64-bit >> Win7 environment. We really need to find some people who can help with >> this. >> >> If you have any ideas, please post them here. >> >> Thx, >> >> Skip From rking at preflightventures.com Tue Jun 28 01:25:13 2011 From: rking at preflightventures.com (Rick King) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:25:13 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Please help on Review not working Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at pobox.com Tue Jun 28 02:46:41 2011 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:46:41 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Please help on Review not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19977.9329.92312.973779@montanaro.dyndns.org> Rick> I keep getting this whenever I try to Review. I have reloded Rick> Spambayes 2X now. It wotked great for 4 years but all of asudden Rick> this is happening below: ... Rick> DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Rick> Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal Rick> region error detected; run recovery') Rick, This is the same problem you reported in April and November. It appears that you have multiple processes trying to write to the database. There is really no locking, so you have to do something external to your SpamBayes app(s) to make sure they don't conflict. It looks like you are running the POP3 proxy. Is it possible you have a second proxy running or you use something else to update your training database? I switched to use the pickle format quite awhile ago. Maybe you should give that a try. In your config: [Storage] persistent_storage_file:~/hammie.pkl persistent_use_database:pickle Doesn't really matter where you write the pickle file. The second entry is the key. Of course, you will need to train from scratch. -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ From amedee at vangasse.eu Wed Jun 29 09:56:51 2011 From: amedee at vangasse.eu (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:56:51 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] If we don't get some more Windows help pretty soon... In-Reply-To: <20110624200954.1AF1F166F492@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <20110624200954.1AF1F166F492@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <89ec6684fed569b7f31455ceada460e1.squirrel@amedee.be> On Fri, June 24, 2011 22:09, skip at pobox.com wrote: > > If we can't find someone with the time and inclination to dig into > problems > running SpamBayes in a Win7 64-bit+Outlook 2010 environment pretty soon, I > think it might be time to think about closing up shop. Other than the > occasional, "Help! I deleted my Junk Suspects folder!" questions, the bulk > of the problems reported here over the past year have related to the > 64-bit > Win7 environment. We really need to find some people who can help with > this. > > If you have any ideas, please post them here. What do you mean by closing shop? I would just add a notice on the website that SpamBayes is not compatible with Windows 7 64bit + Outlook 2010, and leave it at that. It works perfectly fine for my .procmailrc setup on Linux, and for many other configurations. It's open source anyway. Anyone can checkout the repo, write a patch, and ask for a pull (git terminology over here, I don't know which repo SpamBayes uses). From eohrnberger at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 13:08:38 2011 From: eohrnberger at gmail.com (Erik Ohrnberger) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:08:38 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] If we don't get some more Windows help pretty soon... In-Reply-To: <89ec6684fed569b7f31455ceada460e1.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <20110624200954.1AF1F166F492@montanaro.dyndns.org> <89ec6684fed569b7f31455ceada460e1.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: I gave up on spambayes. It was letting too much spam through. At one time, it was batting 100, but I guess the spammers got smarter or something. I'm using a gmail account now forwarded to a private (secret) inbox that my outlook pulls down. On Jun 29, 2011 4:04 AM, "Amedee Van Gasse" wrote: > On Fri, June 24, 2011 22:09, skip at pobox.com wrote: >> >> If we can't find someone with the time and inclination to dig into >> problems >> running SpamBayes in a Win7 64-bit+Outlook 2010 environment pretty soon, I >> think it might be time to think about closing up shop. Other than the >> occasional, "Help! I deleted my Junk Suspects folder!" questions, the bulk >> of the problems reported here over the past year have related to the >> 64-bit >> Win7 environment. 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URL: From dbehm at fa.ua.edu Wed Jun 29 15:19:57 2011 From: dbehm at fa.ua.edu (Doug Behm) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 08:19:57 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] If we don't get some more Windows help pretty soon... In-Reply-To: <89ec6684fed569b7f31455ceada460e1.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <20110624200954.1AF1F166F492@montanaro.dyndns.org> <89ec6684fed569b7f31455ceada460e1.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: I haven't had an issue with Win7 after I discovered that Win7 won't let you install to Program Files. I installed to C:\spambayes, copied over my db and everything has worked smoothly. I have Outlook 2007, haven't touched 2010 and Win7 64 bit. ======================================================================== ======= Douglas D. Behm -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces+dbehm=fa.ua.edu at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces+dbehm=fa.ua.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of Amedee Van Gasse Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:57 AM To: spambayes-dev at python.org; spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] If we don't get some more Windows help pretty soon... On Fri, June 24, 2011 22:09, skip at pobox.com wrote: > > If we can't find someone with the time and inclination to dig into > problems > running SpamBayes in a Win7 64-bit+Outlook 2010 environment pretty soon, I > think it might be time to think about closing up shop. Other than the > occasional, "Help! I deleted my Junk Suspects folder!" questions, the bulk > of the problems reported here over the past year have related to the > 64-bit > Win7 environment. We really need to find some people who can help with > this. > > If you have any ideas, please post them here. What do you mean by closing shop? I would just add a notice on the website that SpamBayes is not compatible with Windows 7 64bit + Outlook 2010, and leave it at that. It works perfectly fine for my .procmailrc setup on Linux, and for many other configurations. It's open source anyway. Anyone can checkout the repo, write a patch, and ask for a pull (git terminology over here, I don't know which repo SpamBayes uses). _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From dale at BriannasSaladDressing.com Wed Jun 29 15:30:06 2011 From: dale at BriannasSaladDressing.com (Dale Schroeder) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 08:30:06 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] If we don't get some more Windows help pretty soon... In-Reply-To: References: <20110624200954.1AF1F166F492@montanaro.dyndns.org> <89ec6684fed569b7f31455ceada460e1.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <4E0B28DE.1070601@BriannasSaladDressing.com> On 06/29/2011 6:08 AM, Erik Ohrnberger wrote: > > I gave up on spambayes. It was letting too much spam through. At one > time, it was batting 100, but I guess the spammers got smarter or > something. > > I'm using a gmail account now forwarded to a private (secret) inbox > that my outlook pulls down. > As spammers change tactics, there may be a small window where new spam gets through, but that is quickly shut with a little training. SpamBayes still gets 95+% of spam coming into our network - impressive considering all the messages that only have an image embedded or contain many lines of hidden, gibberish text. Although it may be common knowledge here, I have never seen this mentioned. I tested sb_server on a Win7 Pro 64 bit system to see if it functioned. I can report the Windows1.1a6 binary installed and functioned quite well. If you want to run as a service you must do "runas administrator" when loading the command prompt box for issuing the "sb_service.exe -install" command; otherwise it is fairly standard. The only issue I had was when configuring via the web interface. It would save any changes, but always complained with the following: 500 Server error Traceback (most recent call last): File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyo", line 476, in found_terminator File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyo", line 883, in onChangeopts File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyo", line 569, in reReadOptions File "sb_server.pyo", line 981, in _recreateState UnboundLocalError: local variable 'state' referenced before assignment Messages like these could scare away the timid, but they do not seem to hinder functionality. So, individuals who insist on using Outlook, could use sb_server like the rest of us, if SpamBayes is essential to them. Please continue the project. Dale > On Jun 29, 2011 4:04 AM, "Amedee Van Gasse" > wrote: > > On Fri, June 24, 2011 22:09, skip at pobox.com > wrote: > >> > >> If we can't find someone with the time and inclination to dig into > >> problems > >> running SpamBayes in a Win7 64-bit+Outlook 2010 environment pretty > soon, I > >> think it might be time to think about closing up shop. Other than the > >> occasional, "Help! I deleted my Junk Suspects folder!" questions, > the bulk > >> of the problems reported here over the past year have related to the > >> 64-bit > >> Win7 environment. We really need to find some people who can help with > >> this. > >> > >> If you have any ideas, please post them here. > > > > What do you mean by closing shop? > > I would just add a notice on the website that SpamBayes is not > compatible > > with Windows 7 64bit + Outlook 2010, and leave it at that. It works > > perfectly fine for my .procmailrc setup on Linux, and for many other > > configurations. > > > > It's open source anyway. Anyone can checkout the repo, write a > patch, and > > ask for a pull (git terminology over here, I don't know which repo > > SpamBayes uses). > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SpamBayes at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > > Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thruska at cubiclesoft.com Wed Jun 29 17:42:21 2011 From: thruska at cubiclesoft.com (Thomas Hruska) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 08:42:21 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] If we don't get some more Windows help pretty soon... In-Reply-To: References: <20110624200954.1AF1F166F492@montanaro.dyndns.org> <89ec6684fed569b7f31455ceada460e1.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <4E0B47DD.1060909@cubiclesoft.com> On 6/29/2011 4:08 AM, Erik Ohrnberger wrote: > I gave up on spambayes. It was letting too much spam through. At one time, > it was batting 100, but I guess the spammers got smarter or something. > > I'm using a gmail account now forwarded to a private (secret) inbox that my > outlook pulls down. Same here (minus the Outlook part). Spammers won because Spambayes didn't keep up, IMO. Letting us define a list of word filters and rules to apply prior to letting Spambayes do its Bayesian thing would be a vast improvement to the product despite what the devs claim. I know my e-mail better than any computer does or likely ever will. Spambayes also isn't very good about enforcing balanced ham/spam. It works best with equal parts and small numbers of ham and spam but never actually enforces either policy. 99% of what comes into many people's in-boxes is spam. The solution spammers came up with to get through Spambayes was simply to generate more spam and hope people would overtrain Bayesian filters, which is exactly what constantly happens with Spambayes. Bayesian-like filters are hard to work with and really need a trainer analyzer. A good trainer analyzer will keep the filter free of things that would not produce effective results. In this case, the elimination of spam and limited false positives. I can open my mouth here because I've actually done some development on this open source product. Or at least attempted to. My contributions a few years ago were effectively rejected, which pretty much killed any potential future efforts on my behalf. I happen to have some pretty solid C++ COM Outlook add-in development street cred, so the Spambayes devs ruined an opportunity to pick up a Windows developer with the requisite knowledge. -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President Barebones CMS is a high-performance, open source content management system for web developers operating in a team environment. An open source CubicleSoft initiative. Your choice of a MIT or LGPL license. http://barebonescms.com/ From amedee at vangasse.eu Thu Jun 30 13:03:55 2011 From: amedee at vangasse.eu (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:03:55 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] If we don't get some more Windows help pretty soon... In-Reply-To: <4E0B47DD.1060909@cubiclesoft.com> References: <20110624200954.1AF1F166F492@montanaro.dyndns.org> <89ec6684fed569b7f31455ceada460e1.squirrel@amedee.be> <4E0B47DD.1060909@cubiclesoft.com> Message-ID: <67ba50ea5c4e558d7ed3b65b1641f3ad.squirrel@amedee.be> On Wed, June 29, 2011 17:42, Thomas Hruska wrote: > On 6/29/2011 4:08 AM, Erik Ohrnberger wrote: >> I gave up on spambayes. It was letting too much spam through. At one >> time, >> it was batting 100, but I guess the spammers got smarter or something. >> >> I'm using a gmail account now forwarded to a private (secret) inbox that >> my >> outlook pulls down. > > Same here (minus the Outlook part). Spammers won because Spambayes > didn't keep up, IMO. Letting us define a list of word filters and rules > to apply prior to letting Spambayes do its Bayesian thing would be a > vast improvement to the product despite what the devs claim. I know my > e-mail better than any computer does or likely ever will. You can do that if you use Spambayes as a procmail filter. > Spambayes also isn't very good about enforcing balanced ham/spam. It > works best with equal parts and small numbers of ham and spam but never > actually enforces either policy. 99% of what comes into many people's > in-boxes is spam. The solution spammers came up with to get through > Spambayes was simply to generate more spam and hope people would > overtrain Bayesian filters, which is exactly what constantly happens > with Spambayes. Bayesian-like filters are hard to work with and really > need a trainer analyzer. A good trainer analyzer will keep the filter > free of things that would not produce effective results. In this case, > the elimination of spam and limited false positives. amedee at intrepid:~$ ./bin/spamstats Spam: 2974 Ham: 2040 So I have a 3:2 ratio. It could be better, but I'm not complaining. > I can open my mouth here because I've actually done some development on > this open source product. Or at least attempted to. My contributions a > few years ago were effectively rejected, which pretty much killed any > potential future efforts on my behalf. I happen to have some pretty > solid C++ COM Outlook add-in development street cred, so the Spambayes > devs ruined an opportunity to pick up a Windows developer with the > requisite knowledge. Where is your branch? I assume that you used some kind of public repository for your code? You can always fork... From spambayes at ptoye.com Thu Jun 30 13:30:26 2011 From: spambayes at ptoye.com (Peter Toye) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:30:26 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] If we don't get some more Windows help pretty soon... In-Reply-To: <67ba50ea5c4e558d7ed3b65b1641f3ad.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <20110624200954.1AF1F166F492@montanaro.dyndns.org> <89ec6684fed569b7f31455ceada460e1.squirrel@amedee.be> <4E0B47DD.1060909@cubiclesoft.com> <67ba50ea5c4e558d7ed3b65b1641f3ad.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <687726553.20110630123026@ptoye.com> Amedee (and everyone else), I use a two-pronged approach. My ISP does spam filtering based (I think) on the published blacklists. This gets rid of about 90% of the spam. A lot of the stuff that gets through is marketing material which isn't really spam, but I don't want it - a well-trained Spambayes gets rid of most of this. Not always the odd Nigerian with millions of dollars, but they can be amusing. ------------------------- Thursday, June 30, 2011, 12:03:55 PM, you wrote: > On Wed, June 29, 2011 17:42, Thomas Hruska wrote: >> On 6/29/2011 4:08 AM, Erik Ohrnberger wrote: >>> I gave up on spambayes. It was letting too much spam through. At one >>> time, >>> it was batting 100, but I guess the spammers got smarter or something. >>> >>> I'm using a gmail account now forwarded to a private (secret) inbox that >>> my >>> outlook pulls down. >> >> Same here (minus the Outlook part). Spammers won because Spambayes >> didn't keep up, IMO. Letting us define a list of word filters and rules >> to apply prior to letting Spambayes do its Bayesian thing would be a >> vast improvement to the product despite what the devs claim. I know my >> e-mail better than any computer does or likely ever will. > You can do that if you use Spambayes as a procmail filter. >> Spambayes also isn't very good about enforcing balanced ham/spam. It >> works best with equal parts and small numbers of ham and spam but never >> actually enforces either policy. 99% of what comes into many people's >> in-boxes is spam. The solution spammers came up with to get through >> Spambayes was simply to generate more spam and hope people would >> overtrain Bayesian filters, which is exactly what constantly happens >> with Spambayes. Bayesian-like filters are hard to work with and really >> need a trainer analyzer. A good trainer analyzer will keep the filter >> free of things that would not produce effective results. In this case, >> the elimination of spam and limited false positives. > amedee at intrepid:~$ ./bin/spamstats > Spam: 2974 > Ham: 2040 > So I have a 3:2 ratio. It could be better, but I'm not complaining. >> I can open my mouth here because I've actually done some development on >> this open source product. Or at least attempted to. My contributions a >> few years ago were effectively rejected, which pretty much killed any >> potential future efforts on my behalf. I happen to have some pretty >> solid C++ COM Outlook add-in development street cred, so the Spambayes >> devs ruined an opportunity to pick up a Windows developer with the >> requisite knowledge. > Where is your branch? I assume that you used some kind of public > repository for your code? You can always fork... > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Info/Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: > http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3734 - Release Date: 06/29/11 > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3734 - Release Date: 06/29/11 ----- No virus found in this message. 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