From jmaritz at sunriseenterprisesinc.com Tue Dec 1 23:55:59 2009 From: jmaritz at sunriseenterprisesinc.com (Jane Maritz) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:55:59 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes addin prevents Outlook from opening Message-ID: <7DA37D2F97837E40BD9B2FEF3384ED9E34A7E8@sres1.SunriseEnterprises.local> Just a follow up question - how can you do a complete uninstall of SpamBayes? When I just run uninstall, the SpamBayes program folder and data remain on the computer. And then when I reinstall, it does NOT run the install wizard. Thanks, Jane ________________________________ From: Jane Maritz Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 1:53 PM To: 'spambayes at python.org' Subject: SpamBayes addin prevents Outlook from opening Hoping one of you can help, as we've really appreciated what SpamBayes can do. I've gone through the troubleshooting steps described online and can't figure this one out. We were using SpamBayes 1.0.4 with Outlook 2003 on a PC. We did some performance tuning on that PC, which included disabling what we thought were unnecessary services and startup processes. Not sure if this is related or not. Subsequently, the SpamBayes toolbar displayed but was inactive - clicking on it resulted in no action, and there was no dropdown. I downloaded and installed 1.1a.4. No solution. I uninstalled and reinstalled several times, going back to 1.0.4. Still no solution. Now, every time I start Outlook up, I get the message "Microsoft Office Outlook has encountered a problem and needs to close." In order to open it, I need to disable Addin: spambayes (outlook_addin.dll). When it is disabled, there is no SpamBayes toolbar. Whenever I enable it from the help->about window, I get the same message upon launching Outlook. The log files just have the following data: Registered: SpamBayes.Outlook Addin Registration complete. Any suggestions? We are getting 100s of spam messages a day, and SpamBayes did a great job of filtering these. Jane Maritz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmaritz at sunriseenterprisesinc.com Tue Dec 1 22:53:06 2009 From: jmaritz at sunriseenterprisesinc.com (Jane Maritz) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:53:06 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes addin prevents Outlook from opening Message-ID: <7DA37D2F97837E40BD9B2FEF3384ED9E34A7E7@sres1.SunriseEnterprises.local> Hoping one of you can help, as we've really appreciated what SpamBayes can do. I've gone through the troubleshooting steps described online and can't figure this one out. We were using SpamBayes 1.0.4 with Outlook 2003 on a PC. We did some performance tuning on that PC, which included disabling what we thought were unnecessary services and startup processes. Not sure if this is related or not. Subsequently, the SpamBayes toolbar displayed but was inactive - clicking on it resulted in no action, and there was no dropdown. I downloaded and installed 1.1a.4. No solution. I uninstalled and reinstalled several times, going back to 1.0.4. Still no solution. Now, every time I start Outlook up, I get the message "Microsoft Office Outlook has encountered a problem and needs to close." In order to open it, I need to disable Addin: spambayes (outlook_addin.dll). When it is disabled, there is no SpamBayes toolbar. Whenever I enable it from the help->about window, I get the same message upon launching Outlook. The log files just have the following data: Registered: SpamBayes.Outlook Addin Registration complete. Any suggestions? We are getting 100s of spam messages a day, and SpamBayes did a great job of filtering these. Jane Maritz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmaritz at sunriseenterprisesinc.com Wed Dec 2 00:05:13 2009 From: jmaritz at sunriseenterprisesinc.com (Jane Maritz) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:05:13 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes addin prevents Outlook from opening Message-ID: <7DA37D2F97837E40BD9B2FEF3384ED9E34A7E9@sres1.SunriseEnterprises.local> Just to clarify; I did rename the C:\Documents and Settings\[username]\Application Data\Spambayes folder to something else (I didn't want to delete it); but it still didn't run me through the setup wizard when I launched Outlook. Is there something else I should be deleting/renaming, or do I need to delete the Spambayes folder in order to trigger a complete reinstall/setup? Jane ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces+jmaritz=sunriseenterprisesinc.com at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces+jmaritz=sunriseenterprisesinc.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Jane Maritz Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 2:56 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] SpamBayes addin prevents Outlook from opening Just a follow up question - how can you do a complete uninstall of SpamBayes? When I just run uninstall, the SpamBayes program folder and data remain on the computer. And then when I reinstall, it does NOT run the install wizard. Thanks, Jane ________________________________ From: Jane Maritz Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 1:53 PM To: 'spambayes at python.org' Subject: SpamBayes addin prevents Outlook from opening Hoping one of you can help, as we've really appreciated what SpamBayes can do. I've gone through the troubleshooting steps described online and can't figure this one out. We were using SpamBayes 1.0.4 with Outlook 2003 on a PC. We did some performance tuning on that PC, which included disabling what we thought were unnecessary services and startup processes. Not sure if this is related or not. Subsequently, the SpamBayes toolbar displayed but was inactive - clicking on it resulted in no action, and there was no dropdown. I downloaded and installed 1.1a.4. No solution. I uninstalled and reinstalled several times, going back to 1.0.4. Still no solution. Now, every time I start Outlook up, I get the message "Microsoft Office Outlook has encountered a problem and needs to close." In order to open it, I need to disable Addin: spambayes (outlook_addin.dll). When it is disabled, there is no SpamBayes toolbar. Whenever I enable it from the help->about window, I get the same message upon launching Outlook. The log files just have the following data: Registered: SpamBayes.Outlook Addin Registration complete. Any suggestions? We are getting 100s of spam messages a day, and SpamBayes did a great job of filtering these. 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URL: From kelly at pinecone.com Fri Dec 4 23:42:38 2009 From: kelly at pinecone.com (Kelly Stroud) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:42:38 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes issue - Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: UPDATE FOR ORIGINAL MESSAGE: I just discovered the "Delete As Spam" button works in any other folder UNTIL I use it in the Junk Suspects folder... then it doesn't work at all. -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Stroud [mailto:kelly at pinecone.com] Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:31 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: Spambayes issue Hi there! The "Delete As Spam" button has mysteriously stopped working in the Junk Suspects folder, however it seems to work fine in other folders. It worked fine previously. No new programs have been added to my computer. I'm running Spambayes Outlook Addin Binary Version 1.0.4 on Outlook 2000 on a Windows platform. Please advise. Thanks in advance! 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I LOVE SpamBayes!! -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Stroud [mailto:kelly at pinecone.com] Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:43 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: RE: Spambayes issue - Update UPDATE FOR ORIGINAL MESSAGE: I just discovered the "Delete As Spam" button works in any other folder UNTIL I use it in the Junk Suspects folder... then it doesn't work at all. -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Stroud [mailto:kelly at pinecone.com] Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:31 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: Spambayes issue Hi there! The "Delete As Spam" button has mysteriously stopped working in the Junk Suspects folder, however it seems to work fine in other folders. It worked fine previously. No new programs have been added to my computer. I'm running Spambayes Outlook Addin Binary Version 1.0.4 on Outlook 2000 on a Windows platform. Please advise. Thanks in advance! Kelly Stroud kelly at pinecone.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kelly at pinecone.com Sat Dec 5 03:27:37 2009 From: kelly at pinecone.com (Kelly Stroud) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:27:37 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes issue - NOT RESOLVED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [ previous emails included below this message ] Ok... the problem is happening again. The toolbar will work properly for a few hours after deleting it and restarting my mail program. Then it stops working again. >From the Bug Tracking pages, it looks like there is no solution for this. I've used SpamBayes for a few years and this is the first time I've had any problems. Please advise. Kelly Stroud kelly at pinecone.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Stroud [mailto:kelly at pinecone.com] Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:13 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: RE: Spambayes issue - RESOLVED Sorry to bother you, but please disregard my issue. I finally found the answer in your Troubleshooting Guide and fixed the issue. :) Thanks anyway! Kelly Stroud kelly at pinecone.com -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Stroud [mailto:kelly at pinecone.com] Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:43 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: RE: Spambayes issue - Update UPDATE FOR ORIGINAL MESSAGE: I just discovered the "Delete As Spam" button works in any other folder UNTIL I use it in the Junk Suspects folder... then it doesn't work at all. -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Stroud [mailto:kelly at pinecone.com] Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:31 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: Spambayes issue Hi there! The "Delete As Spam" button has mysteriously stopped working in the Junk Suspects folder, however it seems to work fine in other folders. It worked fine previously. No new programs have been added to my computer. I'm running Spambayes Outlook Addin Binary Version 1.0.4 on Outlook 2000 on a Windows platform. Please advise. Thanks in advance! 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Thank you very much! .hac http://onhacks.org From skip at pobox.com Sun Dec 6 17:17:32 2009 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:17:32 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] spampot -- spam honeypot server In-Reply-To: <6C9F4DF9781C5E499C31A921E5B62833937B@BL2PRD0103MB038.prod.exchangelabs.com> References: <6C9F4DF9781C5E499C31A921E5B62833937B@BL2PRD0103MB038.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <19227.55580.510383.218309@montanaro.dyndns.org> hac> 1. Where is your spampot machine located? At home? or at hac> datacenter? hac> 2. How did you let people (Spammers) know that you have a SMTP hac> relay server available? I don't know if anyone is still running a honeypot using spampot.py. To get spam into your honeypot you need to publish the email address which feeds into the pot. Posting messages on mailing lists or Usenet newsgroups which include that email address in the Reply-To: header is probably the best way. Also, you will probably need to put the honeypot address out there repeatedly. -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ From hac.ka at onhacks.org Sun Dec 6 17:34:37 2009 From: hac.ka at onhacks.org (.hac) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:34:37 +0000 Subject: [Spambayes] spampot -- spam honeypot server In-Reply-To: <19227.55580.510383.218309@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <6C9F4DF9781C5E499C31A921E5B62833937B@BL2PRD0103MB038.prod.exchangelabs.com>, <19227.55580.510383.218309@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <6C9F4DF9781C5E499C31A921E5B62833938F@BL2PRD0103MB038.prod.exchangelabs.com> Thanks Skip, I just google a bit and looks like open relay server is not popular in this area any more. Will try the approach you have suggested. Thanks! .hac http://onhacks.org ________________________________________ From: skip at pobox.com [skip at pobox.com] Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 8:17 AM To: .hac Cc: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] spampot -- spam honeypot server hac> 1. Where is your spampot machine located? At home? or at hac> datacenter? hac> 2. How did you let people (Spammers) know that you have a SMTP hac> relay server available? I don't know if anyone is still running a honeypot using spampot.py. To get spam into your honeypot you need to publish the email address which feeds into the pot. Posting messages on mailing lists or Usenet newsgroups which include that email address in the Reply-To: header is probably the best way. Also, you will probably need to put the honeypot address out there repeatedly. -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ From Ocean at cobaltnight.com Tue Dec 8 22:56:46 2009 From: Ocean at cobaltnight.com (Ocean) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:56:46 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 x64, Outlook 2007 - Compatible? Message-ID: <000b01ca7851$5e8662f0$1b9328d0$@com> I currently use SpamBayes 1.1a4 on Outlook 2007 (integrated) in Windows XP. Is SpamBayes (and it's required components) fully compatible with Windows 7 x64 (in integrated mode)? While I saw that Python is available in 64 bit, I couldn't find PyWin in a 64 bit version - I don't even know if PyWin x86 will work with Python x64, let alone whether or not SpamBayes itself will work on Windows 7 x64. Any help would be appreciated. And to address some typical points - no, I am not a programmer, and I'm not in a position to try it first. I need to know whether it will work in advance, because it affects whether I make the change to Windows 7 right now at all. Thanks! From amedee at vangasse.eu Tue Dec 8 23:56:58 2009 From: amedee at vangasse.eu (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:56:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 x64, Outlook 2007 - Compatible? In-Reply-To: <000b01ca7851$5e8662f0$1b9328d0$@com> References: <000b01ca7851$5e8662f0$1b9328d0$@com> Message-ID: <8f110d8e1d7cd478593fb4685751d294.squirrel@amedee.be> On Tue, December 8, 2009 22:56, Ocean wrote: > > I currently use SpamBayes 1.1a4 on Outlook 2007 (integrated) in > Windows XP. Is SpamBayes (and it's required components) fully compatible > with Windows 7 x64 (in integrated mode)? > > While I saw that Python is available in 64 bit, I couldn't find > PyWin in a 64 bit version - I don't even know if PyWin x86 will work with > Python x64, let alone whether or not SpamBayes itself will work on > Windows > 7 x64. > > > Any help would be appreciated. And to address some typical points - > no, I am not a programmer, and I'm not in a position to try it first. I > need to know whether it will work in advance, because it affects whether I > make the change to Windows 7 right now at all. I am afraid that the answer, as you explicitly ask your question, is no... because so far nobody has bothered to report if Spambayes works on Win7 x64 If you can wait until july 2010, I can find some free time and system resources to install Windows 7 x64 on a virtual machine (I'm a Linux user) but until then I cannot dedicate any resources. And no, I am not a programmer either... just a user who likes spambayes and wants to help out. I hope you appreciate my honest answer. -- Amedee From Ocean at cobaltnight.com Thu Dec 10 04:33:11 2009 From: Ocean at cobaltnight.com (Ocean) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:33:11 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 x64, Outlook 2007 - Compatible? In-Reply-To: <8f110d8e1d7cd478593fb4685751d294.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <000b01ca7851$5e8662f0$1b9328d0$@com> <8f110d8e1d7cd478593fb4685751d294.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <001001ca7949$88014ac0$9803e040$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces+ocean=cobaltnight.com at python.org [mailto:spambayes- > bounces+ocean=cobaltnight.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Amedee Van Gasse > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:57 PM > To: spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 7 x64, Outlook 2007 - Compatible? > > On Tue, December 8, 2009 22:56, Ocean wrote: > > > > I currently use SpamBayes 1.1a4 on Outlook 2007 (integrated) in > > Windows XP. Is SpamBayes (and it's required components) fully compatible > > with Windows 7 x64 (in integrated mode)? > > > > While I saw that Python is available in 64 bit, I couldn't find > > PyWin in a 64 bit version - I don't even know if PyWin x86 will work with > > Python x64, let alone whether or not SpamBayes itself will work on > > Windows > > 7 x64. > > > > > > Any help would be appreciated. And to address some typical points - > > no, I am not a programmer, and I'm not in a position to try it first. I > > need to know whether it will work in advance, because it affects whether I > > make the change to Windows 7 right now at all. > > I am afraid that the answer, as you explicitly ask your question, is no... > because so far nobody has bothered to report if Spambayes works on Win7 > x64 > > If you can wait until july 2010, I can find some free time and system > resources to install Windows 7 x64 on a virtual machine (I'm a Linux user) > but until then I cannot dedicate any resources. > > And no, I am not a programmer either... just a user who likes spambayes > and wants to help out. I hope you appreciate my honest answer. > > -- > Amedee > Well, the answer to my question isn't no if it's due to a lack of reporting, it's that the answer isn't known. I find it hard to believe that no one's tried it yet. Perhaps someone will come forth with their experience and let the rest of us know. From amedee at vangasse.eu Thu Dec 10 08:35:51 2009 From: amedee at vangasse.eu (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:35:51 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 x64, Outlook 2007 - Compatible? In-Reply-To: <001001ca7949$88014ac0$9803e040$@com> References: <000b01ca7851$5e8662f0$1b9328d0$@com> <8f110d8e1d7cd478593fb4685751d294.squirrel@amedee.be> <001001ca7949$88014ac0$9803e040$@com> Message-ID: <61db188d779d213007d6ce4dda0a841a.squirrel@amedee.be> On Thu, December 10, 2009 04:33, Ocean wrote: > Well, the answer to my question isn't no if it's due to a lack of > reporting, it's that the answer isn't known. I find it hard to believe > that > no one's tried it yet. Perhaps someone will come forth with their > experience and let the rest of us know. You are of course correct. Nobody has bothered to report if it works. :sadface: From marcus at agulhas.co.uk Fri Dec 11 10:26:50 2009 From: marcus at agulhas.co.uk (Marcus Cox) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:26:50 -0000 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes & windows 7 Message-ID: <001e01ca7a44$11abd880$35038980$@co.uk> Dear Spambayes team, Just thought I'd let you know that, after several years of trying and failing to use Spambayes with Vista, I upgraded to Windows 7 and found that Spambayes installed first time as an Outlook add-in and functions just as it says on the tin. This is extremely good news, as a lot of searching of alternative products never turned up anything that could hold a candle to Spambayes. Cheers, Marcus Cox London -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And if it's 64 bit, as someone else who needs to set this up, can you elaborate on the versions (and 64/32 bit status) of Python, and PyWin32 that you're using? From amedee at amedee.be Fri Dec 11 15:56:34 2009 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (be)) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:56:34 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <01a601ca694b$99a1c560$cce55020$@net> References: <01a601ca694b$99a1c560$cce55020$@net> Message-ID: <5f2461877e2add12690f4e50d663aebe.squirrel@amedee.be> On Thu, November 19, 2009 20:07, Mike Broili wrote: > Does Spambayes work with Windows 7 and Outlook 2007? Yes. http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2009-December/022570.html From Ocean at cobaltnight.com Fri Dec 11 16:12:23 2009 From: Ocean at cobaltnight.com (Ocean) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:12:23 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <5f2461877e2add12690f4e50d663aebe.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <01a601ca694b$99a1c560$cce55020$@net> <5f2461877e2add12690f4e50d663aebe.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <003e01ca7a74$57a7f320$06f7d960$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces+ocean=cobaltnight.com at python.org [mailto:spambayes- > bounces+ocean=cobaltnight.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Amedee Van Gasse (be) > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:57 AM > To: spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 7 > > On Thu, November 19, 2009 20:07, Mike Broili wrote: > > Does Spambayes work with Windows 7 and Outlook 2007? > > Yes. > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2009-December/022570.html > That is a potentially misleading answer, as we don't know if the user was using Windows 7 - 32 bit or 64 bit. From amedee at vangasse.eu Fri Dec 11 18:05:14 2009 From: amedee at vangasse.eu (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:05:14 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <003e01ca7a74$57a7f320$06f7d960$@com> References: <01a601ca694b$99a1c560$cce55020$@net> <5f2461877e2add12690f4e50d663aebe.squirrel@amedee.be> <003e01ca7a74$57a7f320$06f7d960$@com> Message-ID: <8d19b5f967cc83289db0bc05a1aac603.squirrel@amedee.be> On Fri, December 11, 2009 16:12, Ocean wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: spambayes-bounces+ocean=cobaltnight.com at python.org > [mailto:spambayes- >> bounces+ocean=cobaltnight.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Amedee Van Gasse > (be) >> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:57 AM >> To: spambayes at python.org >> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 7 >> >> On Thu, November 19, 2009 20:07, Mike Broili wrote: >> > Does Spambayes work with Windows 7 and Outlook 2007? >> >> Yes. >> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2009-December/022570.html >> > > > That is a potentially misleading answer, as we don't know if the > user was using Windows 7 - 32 bit or 64 bit. Well if it doesn't work for him, he'll come back to complain, won't he? From Ocean at cobaltnight.com Fri Dec 11 19:51:31 2009 From: Ocean at cobaltnight.com (Ocean) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:51:31 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <8d19b5f967cc83289db0bc05a1aac603.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <01a601ca694b$99a1c560$cce55020$@net> <5f2461877e2add12690f4e50d663aebe.squirrel@amedee.be> <003e01ca7a74$57a7f320$06f7d960$@com> <8d19b5f967cc83289db0bc05a1aac603.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <004301ca7a92$f42882f0$dc7988d0$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces+ocean=cobaltnight.com at python.org [mailto:spambayes- > bounces+ocean=cobaltnight.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Amedee Van Gasse > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:05 PM > To: spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 7 > > On Fri, December 11, 2009 16:12, Ocean wrote: > > > > > > That is a potentially misleading answer, as we don't know if the > > user was using Windows 7 - 32 bit or 64 bit. > > Well if it doesn't work for him, he'll come back to complain, won't he? > You misunderstand. If he's successfully running it with Windows 7 - 32 bit, you can't say that SpamBayes definitively works with Windows 7, because you don't know if it works on the 64 bit version. You have to know it works fine on both before you can make a unilateral declaration like that. From skip at pobox.com Fri Dec 11 20:38:21 2009 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:38:21 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <004301ca7a92$f42882f0$dc7988d0$@com> References: <01a601ca694b$99a1c560$cce55020$@net> <5f2461877e2add12690f4e50d663aebe.squirrel@amedee.be> <003e01ca7a74$57a7f320$06f7d960$@com> <8d19b5f967cc83289db0bc05a1aac603.squirrel@amedee.be> <004301ca7a92$f42882f0$dc7988d0$@com> Message-ID: <19234.40877.502392.51437@montanaro.dyndns.org> Ocean> You misunderstand. If he's successfully running it with Windows Ocean> 7 - 32 bit, you can't say that SpamBayes definitively works with Ocean> Windows 7, because you don't know if it works on the 64 bit Ocean> version. You have to know it works fine on both before you can Ocean> make a unilateral declaration like that. I don't use Windows, however... If he's installing a released version of SpamBayes (1.0.4 or 1.1.a4) he should be getting a Python interpreter as part of the installer. To the best of my knowledge neither Mark, Tim, Tony nor anybody else who ever released a SpamBayes-on-Windows installer ever bundled a 64-bit version of the interpreter with it. If a 32-bit interpreter will work on a 64-bit machine you're home free. If not, then it would have bombed if he was running 64-bit Windows 7. I conclude that either he was running on a 32-bit version of Win7 or a 32-bit version of the Python interpreter will work on a 64-bit version of Win7. (Can someone with more knowledge of Windows than me -- that is, with *any* knowledge of Windows -- confirm or deny this conclusion?) As far as I know there is nothing specific to 32- or 64-bit architectures in the SpamBayes source code itself. All 32- or 64-bit dependencies would be in the binary code of the Python executable. Skip From Ocean at cobaltnight.com Fri Dec 11 20:46:32 2009 From: Ocean at cobaltnight.com (Ocean) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:46:32 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <19234.40877.502392.51437@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <01a601ca694b$99a1c560$cce55020$@net> <5f2461877e2add12690f4e50d663aebe.squirrel@amedee.be> <003e01ca7a74$57a7f320$06f7d960$@com> <8d19b5f967cc83289db0bc05a1aac603.squirrel@amedee.be> <004301ca7a92$f42882f0$dc7988d0$@com> <19234.40877.502392.51437@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <004801ca7a9a$a3b9de60$eb2d9b20$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: skip at pobox.com [mailto:skip at pobox.com] > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 2:38 PM > To: Ocean > Cc: spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 7 > > > I don't use Windows, however... > > If he's installing a released version of SpamBayes (1.0.4 or 1.1.a4) he > should be getting a Python interpreter as part of the installer. To the > best of my knowledge neither Mark, Tim, Tony nor anybody else who ever > released a SpamBayes-on-Windows installer ever bundled a 64-bit version of > the interpreter with it. If a 32-bit interpreter will work on a 64-bit > machine you're home free. If not, then it would have bombed if he was > running 64-bit Windows 7. I conclude that either he was running on a 32-bit > version of Win7 or a 32-bit version of the Python interpreter will work on a > 64-bit version of Win7. (Can someone with more knowledge of Windows than me > -- that is, with *any* knowledge of Windows -- confirm or deny this > conclusion?) As far as I know there is nothing specific to 32- or 64-bit > architectures in the SpamBayes source code itself. All 32- or 64-bit > dependencies would be in the binary code of the Python executable. > > Skip If I remember correctly, the interpreter is not included with the Windows installer. It has to be downloaded seperately. In any case, if he was using Windows 7 - 32 bit, you still can't deduce that SpamBayes would work fine on the 64 bit O/S. That aside, while I don't know if the source code has to be specifically coded for 64 bit, I do know that the PyWin32 is a 32 bit set of extensions, and there is not a 64 bit version currently available. Whether it will still work or not is another piece of the puzzle. Regardless, Windows 7 compatibility is not something that can be assumed until we know it can function properly (including the Outlook plugin) in the 64 bit version of the O/S. From amedee at amedee.be Sat Dec 12 02:35:11 2009 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (be)) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:35:11 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <004801ca7a9a$a3b9de60$eb2d9b20$@com> References: <01a601ca694b$99a1c560$cce55020$@net> <5f2461877e2add12690f4e50d663aebe.squirrel@amedee.be> <003e01ca7a74$57a7f320$06f7d960$@com> <8d19b5f967cc83289db0bc05a1aac603.squirrel@amedee.be> <004301ca7a92$f42882f0$dc7988d0$@com> <19234.40877.502392.51437@montanaro.dyndns.org> <004801ca7a9a$a3b9de60$eb2d9b20$@com> Message-ID: On Fri, December 11, 2009 20:46, Ocean wrote: > If I remember correctly, the interpreter is not included with the > Windows installer. It has to be downloaded seperately. I'm sorry but you remember wrong. There is no separate download needed for Windows. Really. It's all next-next-next-finish for the 'doze n00bs, if I may be so condescending. I agree with Skip: either windows 32bit binaries will work on Windows 64bit, or it will cough and die horribly. Knowing Windows and its history of backwards combatability, the former is more likely. Windows is a screwed up operating system, but at least it screws up consistently. So far nobody has reported problems with Windows 7 64bit, so I have no reason to assume that it won't work. I can test it myself, with Outlook 2007 on Windows 7 64bit, but you will either have to wait until july '10 until my schedule allows me enough spare time, or pay my hourly rate. And I don't want to promote paid software testing for free software. That would be rather silly. ;-) A better solution would be to ditch Windows and switch to Linux. I'm on 64bit Linux for more than 5 years now, and I never had any problems with Spambayes. -- Amedee Van Gasse From skippy.hammond at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 04:58:30 2009 From: skippy.hammond at gmail.com (Mark Hammond) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:58:30 +1100 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <004801ca7a9a$a3b9de60$eb2d9b20$@com> References: <01a601ca694b$99a1c560$cce55020$@net> <5f2461877e2add12690f4e50d663aebe.squirrel@amedee.be> <003e01ca7a74$57a7f320$06f7d960$@com> <8d19b5f967cc83289db0bc05a1aac603.squirrel@amedee.be> <004301ca7a92$f42882f0$dc7988d0$@com> <19234.40877.502392.51437@montanaro.dyndns.org> <004801ca7a9a$a3b9de60$eb2d9b20$@com> Message-ID: <4B2314E6.7030901@gmail.com> On 12/12/2009 6:46 AM, Ocean wrote: > That aside, while I don't know if the source code has to be > specifically coded for 64 bit, I do know that the PyWin32 is a 32 bit set of > extensions, and there is not a 64 bit version currently available. That is incorrect - a 64bit build of pywin32 for python 2.6 has been available for many months. > Regardless, Windows 7 compatibility is not something that can be > assumed until we know it can function properly (including the Outlook > plugin) in the 64 bit version of the O/S. Running on a 64bit operating system isn't actually relevant - what is relevant is the "bittedness" of the application. The only problem will be trying to run spambayes in a 64bit version of Outlook (which can only happen on a 64bit OS) - all other uses of spambayes will work fine with the 32bit version of Spambayes on all 64bit windows versions. Is there a 64bit version of Outlook even available? Mark From Ocean at cobaltnight.com Sat Dec 12 06:05:47 2009 From: Ocean at cobaltnight.com (Ocean) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:05:47 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: <01a601ca694b$99a1c560$cce55020$@net> <5f2461877e2add12690f4e50d663aebe.squirrel@amedee.be> <003e01ca7a74$57a7f320$06f7d960$@com> <8d19b5f967cc83289db0bc05a1aac603.squirrel@amedee.be> <004301ca7a92$f42882f0$dc7988d0$@com> <19234.40877.502392.51437@montanaro.dyndns.org> <004801ca7a9a$a3b9de60$eb2d9b20$@com> Message-ID: <006201ca7ae8$c42152c0$4c63f840$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces+ocean=cobaltnight.com at python.org [mailto:spambayes- > bounces+ocean=cobaltnight.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Amedee Van Gasse (be) > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:35 PM > To: spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 7 > > On Fri, December 11, 2009 20:46, Ocean wrote: > > > If I remember correctly, the interpreter is not included with the > > Windows installer. It has to be downloaded seperately. > > I'm sorry but you remember wrong. There is no separate download needed for > Windows. Really. It's all next-next-next-finish for the 'doze n00bs, if I > may be so condescending. > I had to download Python and PyWin32 seperately, install them seperately, and then run the outlook add-in installer from the Spambayes directories. There was no integrated installation for me. From sbentley at avitusgroup.com Sat Dec 12 16:06:10 2009 From: sbentley at avitusgroup.com (Steven Bentley) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:06:10 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] 64-bit findings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7594F67BCC8EBD4AA021EFACC3A63F7A95FFEDB3@smaug.bbspeo.com> Regarding the current 64 bit issues, I find: 1. Microsoft Outlook does not come in a 64 bit version. Microsoft has announced a 64 bit version for upcoming Office 2010, but for now it's 32 bit. 2. I run Vista 64 bit business edition, and find Office in the 32 bit program directory. I am also running Spambayes 1.0.4 in this environment with no ill effects. So, I conclude that Spambayes works fine in a 64 bit environment. No, I haven't moved "up" to Windows 7 yet, and cannot testify that it will work fine. However when I do, if it won't work under Windows 7 64 bit, the Windows 7 64 bit is broken, and will be replaced. 3. The Windows install is an "all in one" package. As a Windoz n00b, I find myself incapable of doing any more than " next-next-next-finish". If Ocean hasn't obtained the download from http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/, then he/she should do so. It has everything you need in one package. I would pick the Vista version for a Win 7 installation. Steven Bentley, Windoz n00b ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:38:21 -0600 From: skip at pobox.com To: "Ocean" Cc: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 7 Message-ID: <19234.40877.502392.51437 at montanaro.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ocean> You misunderstand. If he's successfully running it with Windows Ocean> 7 - 32 bit, you can't say that SpamBayes definitively works with Ocean> Windows 7, because you don't know if it works on the 64 bit Ocean> version. You have to know it works fine on both before you can Ocean> make a unilateral declaration like that. I don't use Windows, however... If he's installing a released version of SpamBayes (1.0.4 or 1.1.a4) he should be getting a Python interpreter as part of the installer. To the best of my knowledge neither Mark, Tim, Tony nor anybody else who ever released a SpamBayes-on-Windows installer ever bundled a 64-bit version of the interpreter with it. If a 32-bit interpreter will work on a 64-bit machine you're home free. If not, then it would have bombed if he was running 64-bit Windows 7. I conclude that either he was running on a 32-bit version of Win7 or a 32-bit version of the Python interpreter will work on a 64-bit version of Win7. (Can someone with more knowledge of Windows than me -- that is, with *any* knowledge of Windows -- confirm or deny this conclusion?) As far as I know there is nothing specific to 32- or 64-bit architectures in the SpamBayes source code itself. All 32- or 64-bit dependencies would be in the binary code of the Python executable. Skip ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:46:32 -0500 From: "Ocean" To: Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 7 Message-ID: <004801ca7a9a$a3b9de60$eb2d9b20$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > -----Original Message----- > From: skip at pobox.com [mailto:skip at pobox.com] > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 2:38 PM > To: Ocean > Cc: spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 7 > > > I don't use Windows, however... > > If he's installing a released version of SpamBayes (1.0.4 or 1.1.a4) he > should be getting a Python interpreter as part of the installer. To the > best of my knowledge neither Mark, Tim, Tony nor anybody else who ever > released a SpamBayes-on-Windows installer ever bundled a 64-bit version of > the interpreter with it. If a 32-bit interpreter will work on a 64-bit > machine you're home free. If not, then it would have bombed if he was > running 64-bit Windows 7. I conclude that either he was running on a 32-bit > version of Win7 or a 32-bit version of the Python interpreter will work on a > 64-bit version of Win7. (Can someone with more knowledge of Windows than me > -- that is, with *any* knowledge of Windows -- confirm or deny this > conclusion?) As far as I know there is nothing specific to 32- or 64-bit > architectures in the SpamBayes source code itself. All 32- or 64-bit > dependencies would be in the binary code of the Python executable. > > Skip If I remember correctly, the interpreter is not included with the Windows installer. It has to be downloaded seperately. In any case, if he was using Windows 7 - 32 bit, you still can't deduce that SpamBayes would work fine on the 64 bit O/S. That aside, while I don't know if the source code has to be specifically coded for 64 bit, I do know that the PyWin32 is a 32 bit set of extensions, and there is not a 64 bit version currently available. Whether it will still work or not is another piece of the puzzle. Regardless, Windows 7 compatibility is not something that can be assumed until we know it can function properly (including the Outlook plugin) in the 64 bit version of the O/S. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:35:11 +0100 (CET) From: "Amedee Van Gasse (be)" To: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 7 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 On Fri, December 11, 2009 20:46, Ocean wrote: > If I remember correctly, the interpreter is not included with the > Windows installer. It has to be downloaded seperately. I'm sorry but you remember wrong. There is no separate download needed for Windows. Really. It's all next-next-next-finish for the 'doze n00bs, if I may be so condescending. I agree with Skip: either windows 32bit binaries will work on Windows 64bit, or it will cough and die horribly. Knowing Windows and its history of backwards combatability, the former is more likely. Windows is a screwed up operating system, but at least it screws up consistently. So far nobody has reported problems with Windows 7 64bit, so I have no reason to assume that it won't work. I can test it myself, with Outlook 2007 on Windows 7 64bit, but you will either have to wait until july '10 until my schedule allows me enough spare time, or pay my hourly rate. And I don't want to promote paid software testing for free software. That would be rather silly. ;-) A better solution would be to ditch Windows and switch to Linux. I'm on 64bit Linux for more than 5 years now, and I never had any problems with Spambayes. -- Amedee Van Gasse ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:58:30 +1100 From: Mark Hammond To: Ocean Cc: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 7 Message-ID: <4B2314E6.7030901 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 12/12/2009 6:46 AM, Ocean wrote: > That aside, while I don't know if the source code has to be > specifically coded for 64 bit, I do know that the PyWin32 is a 32 bit set of > extensions, and there is not a 64 bit version currently available. That is incorrect - a 64bit build of pywin32 for python 2.6 has been available for many months. > Regardless, Windows 7 compatibility is not something that can be > assumed until we know it can function properly (including the Outlook > plugin) in the 64 bit version of the O/S. Running on a 64bit operating system isn't actually relevant - what is relevant is the "bittedness" of the application. The only problem will be trying to run spambayes in a 64bit version of Outlook (which can only happen on a 64bit OS) - all other uses of spambayes will work fine with the 32bit version of Spambayes on all 64bit windows versions. Is there a 64bit version of Outlook even available? Mark ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:05:47 -0500 From: "Ocean" To: Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 7 Message-ID: <006201ca7ae8$c42152c0$4c63f840$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces+ocean=cobaltnight.com at python.org [mailto:spambayes- > bounces+ocean=cobaltnight.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Amedee Van Gasse (be) > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:35 PM > To: spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 7 > > On Fri, December 11, 2009 20:46, Ocean wrote: > > > If I remember correctly, the interpreter is not included with the > > Windows installer. It has to be downloaded seperately. > > I'm sorry but you remember wrong. There is no separate download needed for > Windows. Really. It's all next-next-next-finish for the 'doze n00bs, if I > may be so condescending. > I had to download Python and PyWin32 seperately, install them seperately, and then run the outlook add-in installer from the Spambayes directories. There was no integrated installation for me. From amedee at amedee.be Sat Dec 12 17:43:28 2009 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (be)) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:43:28 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <006201ca7ae8$c42152c0$4c63f840$@com> References: <01a601ca694b$99a1c560$cce55020$@net> <5f2461877e2add12690f4e50d663aebe.squirrel@amedee.be> <003e01ca7a74$57a7f320$06f7d960$@com> <8d19b5f967cc83289db0bc05a1aac603.squirrel@amedee.be> <004301ca7a92$f42882f0$dc7988d0$@com> <19234.40877.502392.51437@montanaro.dyndns.org> <004801ca7a9a$a3b9de60$eb2d9b20$@com> <006201ca7ae8$c42152c0$4c63f840$@com> Message-ID: On Sat, December 12, 2009 06:05, Ocean wrote: > I had to download Python and PyWin32 seperately, install them > seperately, and then run the outlook add-in installer from the Spambayes > directories. There was no integrated installation for me. Then you did something wrong. Perhaps you didn't download from http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ Or did you download a source release? That's only for developers. From Ocean at cobaltnight.com Sat Dec 12 18:07:51 2009 From: Ocean at cobaltnight.com (Ocean) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:07:51 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: <01a601ca694b$99a1c560$cce55020$@net> <5f2461877e2add12690f4e50d663aebe.squirrel@amedee.be> <003e01ca7a74$57a7f320$06f7d960$@com> <8d19b5f967cc83289db0bc05a1aac603.squirrel@amedee.be> <004301ca7a92$f42882f0$dc7988d0$@com> <19234.40877.502392.51437@montanaro.dyndns.org> <004801ca7a9a$a3b9de60$eb2d9b20$@com> <006201ca7ae8$c42152c0$4c63f840$@com> Message-ID: <000001ca7b4d$ac4ee3f0$04ecabd0$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces+ocean=cobaltnight.com at python.org [mailto:spambayes- > bounces+ocean=cobaltnight.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Amedee Van Gasse (be) > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:43 AM > To: spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 7 > > On Sat, December 12, 2009 06:05, Ocean wrote: > > > I had to download Python and PyWin32 seperately, install them > > seperately, and then run the outlook add-in installer from the Spambayes > > directories. There was no integrated installation for me. > > Then you did something wrong. > Perhaps you didn't download from http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ > Or did you download a source release? That's only for developers. > I use 1.1a4 - I downloaded it quite a while ago. It's possible that there wasn't an installer version for that at that time. From thruska at cubiclesoft.com Sat Dec 12 18:03:01 2009 From: thruska at cubiclesoft.com (Thomas Hruska) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:03:01 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <19234.40877.502392.51437@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <01a601ca694b$99a1c560$cce55020$@net> <5f2461877e2add12690f4e50d663aebe.squirrel@amedee.be> <003e01ca7a74$57a7f320$06f7d960$@com> <8d19b5f967cc83289db0bc05a1aac603.squirrel@amedee.be> <004301ca7a92$f42882f0$dc7988d0$@com> <19234.40877.502392.51437@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4B23CCC5.7010509@cubiclesoft.com> skip at pobox.com wrote: > Ocean> You misunderstand. If he's successfully running it with Windows > Ocean> 7 - 32 bit, you can't say that SpamBayes definitively works with > Ocean> Windows 7, because you don't know if it works on the 64 bit > Ocean> version. You have to know it works fine on both before you can > Ocean> make a unilateral declaration like that. > > I don't use Windows, however... That's a shame. It is a great OS that 90% of the world uses for their desktop OS. :P (Flamebait...) > If he's installing a released version of SpamBayes (1.0.4 or 1.1.a4) he > should be getting a Python interpreter as part of the installer. To the > best of my knowledge neither Mark, Tim, Tony nor anybody else who ever > released a SpamBayes-on-Windows installer ever bundled a 64-bit version of > the interpreter with it. If a 32-bit interpreter will work on a 64-bit > machine you're home free. If not, then it would have bombed if he was > running 64-bit Windows 7. I conclude that either he was running on a 32-bit > version of Win7 or a 32-bit version of the Python interpreter will work on a > 64-bit version of Win7. (Can someone with more knowledge of Windows than me > -- that is, with *any* knowledge of Windows -- confirm or deny this > conclusion?) As far as I know there is nothing specific to 32- or 64-bit > architectures in the SpamBayes source code itself. All 32- or 64-bit > dependencies would be in the binary code of the Python executable. > > Skip Hello. I have in-depth knowledge about the differences between 32-bit and 64-bit Windows. When it comes to drivers (for hardware), the driver has to match the OS. 32-bit drivers for 32-bit OSes, 64-bit drivers for 64-bit OSes. No exceptions. For software, Windows does a lot of funky stuff when doing 32-bit vs. 64-bit. For 64-bit programs, all DLLs and the EXE must be native 64-bit DLLs/EXEs. In addition, Windows uses the 64-bit Windows Registry (but can be switched using some API calls). The entire chain MUST be 64-bit. The Windows loader will fail to load any 32-bit component. The PE File Format (of which I am intimately familiar with) declares whether a component is 32-bit or 64-bit. When the Windows loader encounters a 32-bit program under a 64-bit OS, it enters a sort of virtual machine environment known as WOW64 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WoW64). This is similar in nature to how we moved from 16-bit to 32-bit years ago (but less stupid). The 32-bit Windows Registry is used and some file APIs are redirected (e.g. 'C:\Program Files\' becomes 'C:\Program Files (x86)\'). Again, a 32-bit program aware of the 64-bit environment can call certain APIs and change this behavior. However, there is perfect isolation between 32-bit and 64-bit. A 64-bit program cannot load a 32-bit component into its environment and vice versa. The Windows loader prevents it. So, in-process, apartment threaded COM objects (such as the Outlook interface for Spambayes) have to match the application that is loading the object. Here's an article on the topic of 32-bit vs 64-bit COM objects that is worth reading: http://www.dnjonline.com/article.aspx?id=jun07_access3264 My personal experience is that, in most cases, Windows applications can simply be recompiled as 64-bit and it should work as a native 64-bit application. The only issues that I've run across are: Bad programming and assembler with optimized code for a 32-bit platform. In the case of Spambayes, I don't see why recompiling for 64-bit would be much a problem. It looks like Python currently has two separate versions: One for AMD64 and one for IA-64 (instead of a unified build). You aren't doing anything exotic (except for Outlook), so a 64-bit build is possible with potentially minimal effort. -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President Ph: 517-803-4197 *NEW* MyTaskFocus 1.1 Get on task. Stay on task. http://www.CubicleSoft.com/MyTaskFocus/ From Ocean at cobaltnight.com Sat Dec 12 18:27:22 2009 From: Ocean at cobaltnight.com (Ocean) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:27:22 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <4B2314E6.7030901@gmail.com> References: <01a601ca694b$99a1c560$cce55020$@net> <5f2461877e2add12690f4e50d663aebe.squirrel@amedee.be> <003e01ca7a74$57a7f320$06f7d960$@com> <8d19b5f967cc83289db0bc05a1aac603.squirrel@amedee.be> <004301ca7a92$f42882f0$dc7988d0$@com> <19234.40877.502392.51437@montanaro.dyndns.org> <004801ca7a9a$a3b9de60$eb2d9b20$@com> <4B2314E6.7030901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000101ca7b50$5d96e250$18c4a6f0$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hammond [mailto:skippy.hammond at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:59 PM > To: Ocean > Cc: spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 7 > > On 12/12/2009 6:46 AM, Ocean wrote: > > That aside, while I don't know if the source code has to be > > specifically coded for 64 bit, I do know that the PyWin32 is a 32 bit set of > > extensions, and there is not a 64 bit version currently available. > > That is incorrect - a 64bit build of pywin32 for python 2.6 has been > available for many months. > Thank you! I looked, but never saw that as one of the options. That helps to allay my concerns. From amedee at amedee.be Sun Dec 13 15:22:01 2009 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (be)) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:22:01 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <4B23CCC5.7010509@cubiclesoft.com> References: <01a601ca694b$99a1c560$cce55020$@net> <5f2461877e2add12690f4e50d663aebe.squirrel@amedee.be> <003e01ca7a74$57a7f320$06f7d960$@com> <8d19b5f967cc83289db0bc05a1aac603.squirrel@amedee.be> <004301ca7a92$f42882f0$dc7988d0$@com> <19234.40877.502392.51437@montanaro.dyndns.org> <4B23CCC5.7010509@cubiclesoft.com> Message-ID: On Sat, December 12, 2009 18:03, Thomas Hruska wrote: > skip at pobox.com wrote: >> Ocean> You misunderstand. If he's successfully running it with >> Windows >> Ocean> 7 - 32 bit, you can't say that SpamBayes definitively works >> with >> Ocean> Windows 7, because you don't know if it works on the 64 bit >> Ocean> version. You have to know it works fine on both before you >> can >> Ocean> make a unilateral declaration like that. >> >> I don't use Windows, however... > > That's a shame. It is a great OS that 90% of the world uses for their > desktop OS. :P > > (Flamebait...) > > >> If he's installing a released version of SpamBayes (1.0.4 or 1.1.a4) he >> should be getting a Python interpreter as part of the installer. To the >> best of my knowledge neither Mark, Tim, Tony nor anybody else who ever >> released a SpamBayes-on-Windows installer ever bundled a 64-bit version >> of >> the interpreter with it. If a 32-bit interpreter will work on a 64-bit >> machine you're home free. If not, then it would have bombed if he was >> running 64-bit Windows 7. I conclude that either he was running on a >> 32-bit >> version of Win7 or a 32-bit version of the Python interpreter will work >> on a >> 64-bit version of Win7. (Can someone with more knowledge of Windows >> than me >> -- that is, with *any* knowledge of Windows -- confirm or deny this >> conclusion?) As far as I know there is nothing specific to 32- or >> 64-bit >> architectures in the SpamBayes source code itself. All 32- or 64-bit >> dependencies would be in the binary code of the Python executable. >> >> Skip > > Hello. I have in-depth knowledge about the differences between 32-bit > and 64-bit Windows. > > When it comes to drivers (for hardware), the driver has to match the OS. > 32-bit drivers for 32-bit OSes, 64-bit drivers for 64-bit OSes. No > exceptions. > > For software, Windows does a lot of funky stuff when doing 32-bit vs. > 64-bit. For 64-bit programs, all DLLs and the EXE must be native 64-bit > DLLs/EXEs. In addition, Windows uses the 64-bit Windows Registry (but > can be switched using some API calls). The entire chain MUST be 64-bit. > The Windows loader will fail to load any 32-bit component. The PE > File Format (of which I am intimately familiar with) declares whether a > component is 32-bit or 64-bit. > > When the Windows loader encounters a 32-bit program under a 64-bit OS, > it enters a sort of virtual machine environment known as WOW64 > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WoW64). This is similar in nature to how > we moved from 16-bit to 32-bit years ago (but less stupid). The 32-bit > Windows Registry is used and some file APIs are redirected (e.g. > 'C:\Program Files\' becomes 'C:\Program Files (x86)\'). Again, a 32-bit > program aware of the 64-bit environment can call certain APIs and change > this behavior. > > However, there is perfect isolation between 32-bit and 64-bit. A 64-bit > program cannot load a 32-bit component into its environment and vice > versa. The Windows loader prevents it. So, in-process, apartment > threaded COM objects (such as the Outlook interface for Spambayes) have > to match the application that is loading the object. Here's an article > on the topic of 32-bit vs 64-bit COM objects that is worth reading: > > http://www.dnjonline.com/article.aspx?id=jun07_access3264 > > My personal experience is that, in most cases, Windows applications can > simply be recompiled as 64-bit and it should work as a native 64-bit > application. The only issues that I've run across are: Bad programming > and assembler with optimized code for a 32-bit platform. > > In the case of Spambayes, I don't see why recompiling for 64-bit would > be much a problem. It looks like Python currently has two separate > versions: One for AMD64 and one for IA-64 (instead of a unified build). > You aren't doing anything exotic (except for Outlook), so a 64-bit > build is possible with potentially minimal effort. Hello, Although I am a Linux user, I am not too unfamiliar with general operating system design principles. Perhaps I'm one of the few people that actually read Tanenbaum's work cover to cover. :-) What you write sounds very familiar to me, and I'd say that you have described the situation very accurate. Linux works in a very similar way when 32bit applications are executed on top of a 64bit kernel. I'd say that a 64bit version of Spambayes is not needed as long as there is no 64bit version of Outlook, and that won't happen until Office 2010 hits the shelves. Wouldn't you agree? -- Amedee From fairlane at springcom.com Mon Dec 14 01:35:45 2009 From: fairlane at springcom.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:35:45 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes log file shows failure and spam not being caught. Message-ID: <4B258861.2020507@springcom.com> The following is a bit of my procmail log file showing an issue with spambayes. I've not seen the filter reliably catch anything, in spite of training on several hundred messages. Any ideas? Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py", line 283, in main() File "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py", line 274, in main action(msg) File "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py", line 192, in filter return self.h.filter(msg) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 156, in filter debug, train) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 110, in score_and_filter prob, clues = self._scoremsg(msg, True) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 39, in _scoremsg return self.bayes.spamprob(tokenize(msg), evidence) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 196, in chi2_spamprob clues = self._getclues(wordstream) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 499, in _getclues tup = self._worddistanceget(word) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 514, in _worddistanceget prob = self.probability(record) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 317, in probability assert spamcount <= nspam, "Token seen in more spam than spam trained." AssertionError: Token seen in more spam than spam trained. procmail: Program failure (1) of "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py" procmail: Rescue of unfiltered data succeeded From mark Sun Dec 13 19:27:22 2009 Subject: For fairlane special 80% OFF on Pfizer Folder: /home/mark/Maildir/new/1260750442.15020_2.cyclops 2158 From Ocean at acloakinthewood.com Tue Dec 22 16:09:56 2009 From: Ocean at acloakinthewood.com (Ocean) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:09:56 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 x64 - Problems Message-ID: <000001ca8318$dac15ec0$90441c40$@com> Okay, I finally tried this out. I have a clean install of Windows 7 Ultimate x64, running Outlook 2007. I installed Python 2.6.4 x64, and PyWin32 Build 214 for Python 2.6.x x64. I ran "addin.py" from the Outlook2000 directory. Now, when Outlook starts, Spambayes is nowhere to be seen. When I go into the Add-ins list, Spambayes is listed as Inactive. Trying to activate it and restarting Outlook yields the same results. One thing to note is that in the Add-ins list, the "Location" field for Spambayes is empty. I don't know if this is normal or not. I would appreciate any help in getting this fixed. :) From dsfurbush at earthlink.net Tue Dec 22 21:33:51 2009 From: dsfurbush at earthlink.net (dsfurbush) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:33:51 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes is deleting spam but not putting them in Junk email folder Message-ID: <000301ca8346$127223e0$37566ba0$@net> Windows XPpro Ver 1.0.4 Loaded bayes database from 'E:\Documents and Settings\Dennis S. Furbush\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db' Loaded message database from 'E:\Documents and Settings\Dennis S. Furbush\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db' Bayes database initialized with 8 spam and 30 good messages *** - message database has 37 messages - bayes has 38 - something is screwey SpamBayes Outlook Addin Binary Version 1.0.4 (March 2005) starting (with engine SpamBayes Engine Version 0.3 (January 2004)) on Windows 5.1.2600 (Service Pack 3) using Python 2.3.5 (#62, Feb 8 2005, 16:23:02) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] SpamBayes: Watching (for filtering) in 'dFurbush/Inbox' SpamBayes: Watching (for incremental training) in 'Personal Folders/Deleted Items/Junk E-Mail' Processing missed spam in folder 'Inbox' by starting a timer FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' - (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259), None) The above toolbar message is common - recreating the toolbar... Message 'Re:buy_erectile_pills' in 'dFurbush/Inbox' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Moving and spam training message 'User dsfurbush special 80% OFF' - Training on message 'User dsfurbush special 80% OFF' in 'dFurbush/Inbox - trained as spam WARNING: Bayes database has 39 messages, but training database has 38 Current version is 1.04, latest is 1.04. When I used this earlier, it correctly placed spam in Junk folder, or suspects in Suspect folder. Now it is moving mail but I don't know where and can't find it. Any suggestions? I have uninstalled and reinstalled Spambayes, same problem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fairlane at springcom.com Thu Dec 24 04:16:11 2009 From: fairlane at springcom.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:16:11 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes still not working. HELP! Message-ID: <64fd84d32ba5a7519ad236a38b01cf22.squirrel@192.168.123.105> My install is still not working, can anyone tell me what is happening? See my procmail log below: procmail: Locking "hamlock" procmail: Executing "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py,-d,/home/mark/.hammie.db" Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py", line 283, in main() File "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py", line 274, in main action(msg) File "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py", line 192, in filter return self.h.filter(msg) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 156, in filt er debug, train) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 110, in scor e_and_filter prob, clues = self._scoremsg(msg, True) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 39, in _scor emsg return self.bayes.spamprob(tokenize(msg), evidence) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 196, in chi2_spamprob clues = self._getclues(wordstream) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 499, in _getclues tup = self._worddistanceget(word) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 514, in _worddistanceget prob = self.probability(record) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 317, in probability assert spamcount <= nspam, "Token seen in more spam than spam trained." AssertionError: Token seen in more spam than spam trained. procmail: Program failure (1) of "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py" procmail: Rescue of unfiltered data succeeded procmail: Unlocking "hamlock" procmail: No match on "^X-Spambayes-Classification: spam" procmail: No match on "^X-Spambayes-Classification: unsure" From skip at pobox.com Thu Dec 24 04:54:13 2009 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:54:13 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes still not working. HELP! In-Reply-To: <64fd84d32ba5a7519ad236a38b01cf22.squirrel@192.168.123.105> References: <64fd84d32ba5a7519ad236a38b01cf22.squirrel@192.168.123.105> Message-ID: <19250.58853.894882.389531@montanaro.dyndns.org> <> My install is still not working, can anyone tell me what is happening? <> See my procmail log below: ... <> assert spamcount <= nspam, "Token seen in more spam than spam trained." <> AssertionError: Token seen in more spam than spam trained. Looks like your training database is corrupt. Just zap it and retrain from your mailboxes of saved spam and ham. -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ From skippy.hammond at gmail.com Thu Dec 24 09:48:17 2009 From: skippy.hammond at gmail.com (Mark Hammond) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:48:17 +1100 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 x64 - Problems In-Reply-To: <000001ca8318$dac15ec0$90441c40$@com> References: <000001ca8318$dac15ec0$90441c40$@com> Message-ID: <4B332AD1.4040707@gmail.com> On 23/12/2009 2:09 AM, Ocean wrote: > > Okay, I finally tried this out. I have a clean install of Windows 7 > Ultimate x64, running Outlook 2007. I installed Python 2.6.4 x64, and > PyWin32 Build 214 for Python 2.6.x x64. > > I ran "addin.py" from the Outlook2000 directory. > > Now, when Outlook starts, Spambayes is nowhere to be seen. When I > go into the Add-ins list, Spambayes is listed as Inactive. Trying to > activate it and restarting Outlook yields the same results. One thing to > note is that in the Add-ins list, the "Location" field for Spambayes is > empty. I don't know if this is normal or not. > > > I would appreciate any help in getting this fixed. :) You almost certainly want the 32bit version of Python and pywin32 - as I explained previously. Cheers, Mark From Ocean at acloakinthewood.com Thu Dec 24 06:00:53 2009 From: Ocean at acloakinthewood.com (Ocean) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:00:53 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Windows 7 x64 - Problems Message-ID: <000401ca8456$1acbfaf0$5063f0d0$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Ocean [mailto:Ocean at acloakinthewood.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:10 AM > To: 'spambayes at python.org' > Subject: Windows 7 x64 - Problems > > > Okay, I finally tried this out. I have a clean install of Windows 7 Ultimate x64, > running Outlook 2007. I installed Python 2.6.4 x64, and PyWin32 Build 214 for Python 2.6.x > x64. > > I ran "addin.py" from the Outlook2000 directory. > > Now, when Outlook starts, Spambayes is nowhere to be seen. When I go into the > Add-ins list, Spambayes is listed as Inactive. Trying to activate it and restarting Outlook > yields the same results. One thing to note is that in the Add-ins list, the "Location" field for > Spambayes is empty. I don't know if this is normal or not. > > > I would appreciate any help in getting this fixed. :) I'm wondering, is there any chance that this is failing to work on my system due to trying to register the plug-in with the wrong bit version (32/64) executable? From fairlane at springcom.com Thu Dec 24 14:58:13 2009 From: fairlane at springcom.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:58:13 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes still not working. HELP! In-Reply-To: <19250.58853.894882.389531@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <64fd84d32ba5a7519ad236a38b01cf22.squirrel@192.168.123.105> <19250.58853.894882.389531@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: I blew away the db, and retrained, but it says it didn't train messages. Is there a second file I need to blow away somewhere? I got rid of .hammie.db in my home directory. > > <> My install is still not working, can anyone tell me what is > happening? > <> See my procmail log below: > > ... > > <> assert spamcount <= nspam, "Token seen in more spam than spam > trained." > <> AssertionError: Token seen in more spam than spam trained. > > Looks like your training database is corrupt. Just zap it and retrain > from > your mailboxes of saved spam and ham. > > -- > Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ > From skip at pobox.com Thu Dec 24 17:57:24 2009 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:57:24 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes still not working. HELP! In-Reply-To: References: <64fd84d32ba5a7519ad236a38b01cf22.squirrel@192.168.123.105> <19250.58853.894882.389531@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <19251.40308.893157.151086@montanaro.dyndns.org> Mark> I blew away the db, and retrained, but it says it didn't train Mark> messages. Is there a second file I need to blow away somewhere? Mark> I got rid of .hammie.db in my home directory. It depends on what type of database storage you are using. Some database file types use multiple files to store the database. For instance, I see -rw-rw-r-- 1 skip staff 634143 Nov 8 10:43 /Users/skip/hammie.fs -rw-rw-r-- 1 skip staff 8884 Nov 8 10:43 /Users/skip/hammie.fs.index -rw-rw-r-- 1 skip staff 7 Nov 8 10:43 /Users/skip/hammie.fs.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 skip staff 633944 Nov 8 10:43 /Users/skip/hammie.fs.tmp in my home directory. It's possible you have other files with ".hammie.db" as the prefix. Skip From Ocean at acloakinthewood.com Thu Dec 24 17:23:06 2009 From: Ocean at acloakinthewood.com (Ocean) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:23:06 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 7 x64 - Problems In-Reply-To: <4B332AD1.4040707@gmail.com> References: <000001ca8318$dac15ec0$90441c40$@com> <4B332AD1.4040707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001ca84b5$672b04e0$35810ea0$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hammond [mailto:skippy.hammond at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 3:48 AM > To: Ocean > Cc: spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 7 x64 - Problems > > On 23/12/2009 2:09 AM, Ocean wrote: > > > > Okay, I finally tried this out. I have a clean install of Windows 7 > > Ultimate x64, running Outlook 2007. I installed Python 2.6.4 x64, and > > PyWin32 Build 214 for Python 2.6.x x64. > > > > I ran "addin.py" from the Outlook2000 directory. > > > > Now, when Outlook starts, Spambayes is nowhere to be seen. When I > > go into the Add-ins list, Spambayes is listed as Inactive. Trying to > > activate it and restarting Outlook yields the same results. One thing to > > note is that in the Add-ins list, the "Location" field for Spambayes is > > empty. I don't know if this is normal or not. > > > > > > I would appreciate any help in getting this fixed. :) > > You almost certainly want the 32bit version of Python and pywin32 - as I > explained previously. > > Cheers, > > Mark I guess I missed that! Well, I uninstalled all the 64 bit stuff, and installed the 32-bit stuff. The good news is that the plug in now loads. The bad news is that it's giving me an error: "Could not watch the specified folders". I've tried deleting the INI file, and reconfiguring it, but as soon I enable SpamBayes, that error comes up. I'm using 1.1a4 (from source), and I've been running it on XP for a long time without any problems. Is there something about Win 7 x64 that would keep it from being to watch the Inbox (with subfolders)? From Ocean at acloakinthewood.com Thu Dec 24 19:25:22 2009 From: Ocean at acloakinthewood.com (Ocean) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:25:22 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Windows 7 x64 - Problems Message-ID: <000001ca84c6$7d327410$77975c30$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Ocean [mailto:Ocean at acloakinthewood.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:23 AM > To: 'mhammond at skippinet.com.au' > Cc: 'spambayes at python.org' > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Windows 7 x64 - Problems > > > > > > You almost certainly want the 32bit version of Python and pywin32 - as I > > explained previously. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mark > > > I guess I missed that! > > Well, I uninstalled all the 64 bit stuff, and installed the 32-bit stuff. The good news is > that the plug in now loads. The bad news is that it's giving me an error: "Could not watch > the specified folders". I've tried deleting the INI file, and reconfiguring it, but as soon I > enable SpamBayes, that error comes up. I'm using 1.1a4 (from source), and I've been > running it on XP for a long time without any problems. > > Is there something about Win 7 x64 that would keep it from being to watch the > Inbox (with subfolders)? Okay, some more data. I ran the Trace Collector and ran the test suite. I have no idea how to copy/save information from the Trace Collector, so I have to manually type in stuff, and I'll have to hope I'm giving you the relevant information here. It starts out like this: ------------------- Running 'Filtering tests' with Filter.save_spam_info=True, Filter.timer_enabled=False Performing Spam test on watch folder 'My Folders/Inbox'... pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method. ------------------- I then have a number of Traceback entries, with the last couple of lines being: ------------------ File "D:\Progs\Python\Lib\email\utils.py", line 143, in formatdate now = time.localtime(timeval) ValueError: (22, 'Invalid argument') Restoring standard configuration... ------------------- ...followed by it reseting itself to watch everything again. Further down, it says: ------------------ Processing missed spam in folder 'Inbox' by starting a timer ------------------ ...followed by all the folders it didn't miss any in. Then we have a Traceback section again that ends in: ------------------- File "D:\Progs\SpamBayes 1.1a4\Outlook2000\tester.py", line 170, in CheckMessageFilteredFrom TestFailed("The test message remained in folder '%s'" % ms_folder.GetFQName()) File "D:\Progs\SpamBayes 1.1a4\Outlook2000\tester.py", line 38, in TestFailed raise TestFailure(msg) TestFailure: The test message remained in folder 'My Folders/Inbox' ------------------- ...etc... If you need more of the trace information, let me know (along with how to copy the information so I don't have to type it in manually by hand!). From fairlane at springcom.com Fri Dec 25 03:29:15 2009 From: fairlane at springcom.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:29:15 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes still not working. HELP! In-Reply-To: <19251.40308.893157.151086@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <64fd84d32ba5a7519ad236a38b01cf22.squirrel@192.168.123.105> <19250.58853.894882.389531@montanaro.dyndns.org> <19251.40308.893157.151086@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: I don't have .hammie.db anywhere else on my system. Something else maybe? > > Mark> I blew away the db, and retrained, but it says it didn't train > Mark> messages. Is there a second file I need to blow away somewhere? > Mark> I got rid of .hammie.db in my home directory. > > It depends on what type of database storage you are using. Some database > file types use multiple files to store the database. For instance, I see > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 skip staff 634143 Nov 8 10:43 /Users/skip/hammie.fs > -rw-rw-r-- 1 skip staff 8884 Nov 8 10:43 > /Users/skip/hammie.fs.index > -rw-rw-r-- 1 skip staff 7 Nov 8 10:43 > /Users/skip/hammie.fs.lock > -rw-rw-r-- 1 skip staff 633944 Nov 8 10:43 > /Users/skip/hammie.fs.tmp > > in my home directory. It's possible you have other files with > ".hammie.db" > as the prefix. > > Skip > > From skip at pobox.com Fri Dec 25 19:08:44 2009 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:44 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes still not working. HELP! In-Reply-To: <4B34EB08.9030601@springcom.com> References: <64fd84d32ba5a7519ad236a38b01cf22.squirrel@192.168.123.105> <19250.58853.894882.389531@montanaro.dyndns.org> <4B34EB08.9030601@springcom.com> Message-ID: <19252.65452.927000.707601@montanaro.dyndns.org> >> Looks like your training database is corrupt. Just zap it and >> retrain from your mailboxes of saved spam and ham. Mark> Ok, my database is corrupt again overnight. All I do is train it Mark> overnight once. Why would the training corrupt it? Most of the database types can only have one process accessing them at once. If you happen to have two writers your database is almost guaranteed to be corrupt. If you have a reader and a writer it's still possible that the reader will see the database in a transitional state which is inconsistent with the expectations of the reader. What type of database storage are you using? I seem to recall you're using sb_filter.py. Make sure mail isn't processed when you're retraining. In my procmailrc file I use sb_bnfilter.py: SCORE="sb_bnfilter.py -a 30 -A 250" ... :0 fw:scorelock~ | $SCORE When retraining I make sure that incoming mail isn't processed. If necessary, I kill the long-running sb_bnfilter.py process first. Skip From fairlane at springcom.com Sat Dec 26 04:03:32 2009 From: fairlane at springcom.com (Mark) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 22:03:32 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes still not working. HELP! In-Reply-To: <19252.65452.927000.707601@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <64fd84d32ba5a7519ad236a38b01cf22.squirrel@192.168.123.105> <19250.58853.894882.389531@montanaro.dyndns.org> <4B34EB08.9030601@springcom.com> <19252.65452.927000.707601@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <598bd3cf3c2906b0cff42f8613e2ca8f.squirrel@192.168.123.105> > > Most of the database types can only have one process accessing them at > once. If you happen to have two writers your database is almost > guaranteed > to be corrupt. If you have a reader and a writer it's still possible that > the reader will see the database in a transitional state which is > inconsistent with the expectations of the reader. > > What type of database storage are you using? I seem to recall you're > using > sb_filter.py. Make sure mail isn't processed when you're retraining. In > my > procmailrc file I use sb_bnfilter.py: > > SCORE="sb_bnfilter.py -a 30 -A 250" > ... > :0 fw:scorelock~ > | $SCORE > > When retraining I make sure that incoming mail isn't processed. If > necessary, I kill the long-running sb_bnfilter.py process first. > > Skip > My fetchmail is running as a cron job every couple of minutes, so I think it's very likely that's how it's happening. As far as what storage, I don't know. I'm still trying to figure it out. I followed a recipe I found. I'm not a database guy. I'm guessing though, I need to add a lockfile somewhere. That's the fw:scorelock portion of your procmail file above, if I'm correct? I might want to change my cron to a script perhaps that kills fetchmail, locks it somehow and then restarts? Probably a few different ways to do it. From skip at pobox.com Sat Dec 26 17:26:29 2009 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:26:29 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes still not working. HELP! In-Reply-To: <598bd3cf3c2906b0cff42f8613e2ca8f.squirrel@192.168.123.105> References: <64fd84d32ba5a7519ad236a38b01cf22.squirrel@192.168.123.105> <19250.58853.894882.389531@montanaro.dyndns.org> <4B34EB08.9030601@springcom.com> <19252.65452.927000.707601@montanaro.dyndns.org> <598bd3cf3c2906b0cff42f8613e2ca8f.squirrel@192.168.123.105> Message-ID: <19254.14645.65587.227622@montanaro.dyndns.org> Mark> My fetchmail is running as a cron job every couple of minutes, so Mark> I think it's very likely that's how it's happening. Yes, that could be it. When I retrain I always kill my fetchmail process first. Mark> As far as what storage, I don't know. Look in your SpamBayes initialization file (typically referenced by the BAYESCUSTOMIZE environment variable). It's defined in the [Storage] section of the file. Here's what I have: [Storage] persistent_storage_file:~/hammie.pkl persistent_use_database:pickle Mark> I'm not a database guy. I'm guessing though, I need to add a Mark> lockfile somewhere. You might be able to do that, though the code checked into Subversion now (not yet officially released) should implement file locking. Mark> That's the fw:scorelock portion of your procmail file above, if Mark> I'm correct? Yes, but I doubt your training setup uses that. I'm not sure of the specific details of how procmail does lock files. (Where they are, for instance.) Note that procmail does come with a handy lockfile command. Skip From dennis at honnoldhq.com Sun Dec 27 20:17:20 2009 From: dennis at honnoldhq.com (Dennis) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:17:20 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes opens w/o exe file Message-ID: When I download spambayes -1.1a4-070629.exe, I do not receive in the download an '*.exe' file. The installation of Spambayes in Outlook is nonfunctional. I need help. I have successfully used Spambayes over several years but am no longer able to load a working copy. Help & Tks! 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Are you downloading this link? http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/spambayes/spambayes-1.1a4-070629.exe?download -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ From skip at pobox.com Mon Dec 28 14:33:16 2009 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:33:16 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes opens w/o exe file In-Reply-To: <5D9C2291A1FC480C991A74C4381B6D93@windows1dfd70e> References: <19255.61985.347524.357600@montanaro.dyndns.org> <5D9C2291A1FC480C991A74C4381B6D93@windows1dfd70e> Message-ID: <19256.45980.93103.448454@montanaro.dyndns.org> (please keep spambayes at python.org on the cc list - more than one pair of eyeballs improves the chances that you'll get the help you need). Skip> Works for me. Sorry to ask such an obvious question, but what do Skip> you receive? Are you downloading this link? Skip> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/spambayes/spambayes-1.1a4-070629.exe?download Dennis> I have downloaded to my C:\, program file the following: Dennis> -SpamBayes Dennis> -Bin Dennis> -Docs Dennis> -Outlook Dennis> -Docs Dennis> -Images Dennis> -Languages Dennis> -Dialogs Dennis> -Es Dennis> -Es_ar Dennis> -lib Dennis> Individual files: Dennis> -License 3kb text doc Dennis> -Sbicon 5kb icon Dennis> -Unins000 27kb dat file Dennis> -Unins000 668 kb app;ication Dennis> It seems to me there should be an application file under Dennis> SpamBayes / Individual files. Any application files I find under Dennis> the SpamBayes folders are not the program app file. I believe the Windows .exe download comes bundled with a Python interpreter. Is there something in C:\Python or C:\Program Files\Python? (Also, when I wrote "Works for me" I meant that I was able to download the .exe from the prdownloads.sourceforge.net website. I don't run Windows so I can't actually execute the installer.) Skip From amedee at amedee.be Mon Dec 28 15:04:44 2009 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:04:44 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes opens w/o exe file In-Reply-To: <19256.45980.93103.448454@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <19255.61985.347524.357600@montanaro.dyndns.org> <5D9C2291A1FC480C991A74C4381B6D93@windows1dfd70e> <19256.45980.93103.448454@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4B38BAFC.10507@amedee.be> On 28-12-09 14:33, skip at pobox.com wrote: > (Also, when I wrote "Works for me" I meant that I was able to download the > .exe from the prdownloads.sourceforge.net website. I don't run Windows so I > can't actually execute the installer.) $ sudo aptitude install wine (1) $ wine ./spambayes-1.1a4-070629.exe I'm happy to report that the Windows version of SpamBayes works like a charm on Linux with Wine. I have only tested it as POP and IMAP proxy, not as an Outlook plugin. (1) replace aptitude with yum or rpm or emerge or whatever incantation you use to install software. -- Amedee From Ocean at acloakinthewood.com Mon Dec 28 17:44:15 2009 From: Ocean at acloakinthewood.com (Ocean) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:44:15 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Windows 7 x64 - Problems Message-ID: <000901ca87dd$07930c00$16b92400$@com> I've been continuing to look into this, but I don't know how to fix what's broken. I'm guessing that the root of the issue is either the "Python error invoking COM method" or the " ValueError: (22, 'Invalid argument')", but I don't have the grounding in python I need to understand what the problem is. Can anyone shed some light on this? > -----Original Message----- > From: Ocean [mailto:Ocean at acloakinthewood.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 1:25 PM > To: 'mhammond at skippinet.com.au' > Cc: 'spambayes at python.org' > Subject: FW: [Spambayes] Windows 7 x64 - Problems > > > > > > Well, I uninstalled all the 64 bit stuff, and installed the 32-bit stuff. The good news is > > that the plug in now loads. The bad news is that it's giving me an error: "Could not watch > > the specified folders". I've tried deleting the INI file, and reconfiguring it, but as soon I > > enable SpamBayes, that error comes up. I'm using 1.1a4 (from source), and I've been > > running it on XP for a long time without any problems. > > > > Is there something about Win 7 x64 that would keep it from being to watch the > > Inbox (with subfolders)? > > > > Okay, some more data. I ran the Trace Collector and ran the test suite. I have no > idea how to copy/save information from the Trace Collector, so I have to manually type in > stuff, and I'll have to hope I'm giving you the relevant information here. > > > It starts out like this: > > ------------------- > Running 'Filtering tests' with Filter.save_spam_info=True, Filter.timer_enabled=False > Performing Spam test on watch folder 'My Folders/Inbox'... > > pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method. > ------------------- > > > I then have a number of Traceback entries, with the last couple of lines being: > > > ------------------ > File "D:\Progs\Python\Lib\email\utils.py", line 143, in formatdate > now = time.localtime(timeval) > > ValueError: (22, 'Invalid argument') > Restoring standard configuration... > ------------------- > > > ...followed by it reseting itself to watch everything again. > > Further down, it says: > > > ------------------ > Processing missed spam in folder 'Inbox' by starting a timer > ------------------ > > ...followed by all the folders it didn't miss any in. > > Then we have a Traceback section again that ends in: > > > ------------------- > File "D:\Progs\SpamBayes 1.1a4\Outlook2000\tester.py", line 170, in > CheckMessageFilteredFrom > TestFailed("The test message remained in folder '%s'" % ms_folder.GetFQName()) > File "D:\Progs\SpamBayes 1.1a4\Outlook2000\tester.py", line 38, in TestFailed > raise TestFailure(msg) > TestFailure: The test message remained in folder 'My Folders/Inbox' > ------------------- > > ...etc... > > > If you need more of the trace information, let me know (along with how to copy the > information so I don't have to type it in manually by hand!). > From thruska at cubiclesoft.com Mon Dec 28 19:04:19 2009 From: thruska at cubiclesoft.com (Thomas Hruska) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:04:19 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes opens w/o exe file In-Reply-To: <19255.61985.347524.357600@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <19255.61985.347524.357600@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4B38F323.5000709@cubiclesoft.com> skip at pobox.com wrote: >>>>>> "Dennis" == dennis writes: > > Dennis> When I download spambayes-1.1a4-070629.exe, I do not receive in > Dennis> the download an '*.exe' file. > > Works for me. Sorry to ask such an obvious question, but what do you > receive? Are you downloading this link? > > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/spambayes/spambayes-1.1a4-070629.exe?download It actually sounds more like a "browser cache is full and needs to be deleted" issue. Downloads, particularly with Internet Exploder, will fail when the browser cache gets "full". Tools -> Internet Options -> Delete Files -> Check 'Delete all offline content' -> Click OK. Go get a cup of coffee (IE takes forever to delete files in the cache). Try again. Next time, use Firefox. Or any other web browser but IE. -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President Ph: 517-803-4197 *NEW* MyTaskFocus 1.1 Get on task. Stay on task. http://www.CubicleSoft.com/MyTaskFocus/ From skip at pobox.com Mon Dec 28 20:34:33 2009 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:34:33 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes opens w/o exe file In-Reply-To: <4B38BAFC.10507@amedee.be> References: <19255.61985.347524.357600@montanaro.dyndns.org> <5D9C2291A1FC480C991A74C4381B6D93@windows1dfd70e> <19256.45980.93103.448454@montanaro.dyndns.org> <4B38BAFC.10507@amedee.be> Message-ID: <19257.2121.966550.86976@montanaro.dyndns.org> >>>>> "Amedee" == Amedee Van Gasse writes: Amedee> $ sudo aptitude install wine (1) Amedee> $ wine ./spambayes-1.1a4-070629.exe Thanks. I have MacPorts on my Mac. Which of these ports would you recommend? % port search wine wine @1.0.1 (x11) Wine Is Not an Emulator wine-crossover-games @7.2.0 (x11) Wine Is Not an Emulator (1.1.12 with CodeWeavers Modifications) wine-devel @1.1.33 (x11) Wine Is Not an Emulator winetricks @20091022 (x11) downloads and installs various redistributable runtime libraries Skip From ron at cfhoward.org Mon Dec 28 21:40:26 2009 From: ron at cfhoward.org (Ron Harper) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:40:26 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Delete as Spam button has disappeared Message-ID: <200912282040.nBSKePTZ025517@nlpi129.prodigy.net> And the SpamBayes program has stopped working? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Which of these ports would you > recommend? > > % port search wine > wine @1.0.1 (x11) > Wine Is Not an Emulator > > wine-crossover-games @7.2.0 (x11) > Wine Is Not an Emulator (1.1.12 with CodeWeavers Modifications) > > wine-devel @1.1.33 (x11) > Wine Is Not an Emulator > > winetricks @20091022 (x11) > downloads and installs various redistributable runtime libraries > > Skip > > Just regular wine will do, I guess. -- From bsmith at panthersys.com Tue Dec 29 23:28:57 2009 From: bsmith at panthersys.com (Brent Smith) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:28:57 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and Windows 7 Message-ID: <1501FFB38A9D234392B771753B60CF5905B81627@exchsrvr.i3s.panthersys.com> Hello, Can you please tell me if the latest version of Spambayes is compatible with Outlook 2007 running on Windows 7? 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But I posted the log info recently and no one has replied yet, so it's possible that the problem might get worked out. From thruska at cubiclesoft.com Wed Dec 30 06:26:13 2009 From: thruska at cubiclesoft.com (Thomas Hruska) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:26:13 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes opens w/o exe file In-Reply-To: <63D835EE3D9941CFA1EAA5F79EB5D895@windows1dfd70e> References: <19255.61985.347524.357600@montanaro.dyndns.org> <4B38F323.5000709@cubiclesoft.com> <63D835EE3D9941CFA1EAA5F79EB5D895@windows1dfd70e> Message-ID: <4B3AE475.3060800@cubiclesoft.com> Dennis wrote: > Thomas, > > Tks for your reply! I do not use IE. I use Firefox 3.5.6. I will gladly > empty browser cach. Would you be willing to suggest the specific Firefox > cach to empty. > > I appreciate any help, Please don't take discussions off-list. Since you run Firefox, then I really don't have any idea. You could have antivirus or firewall software (or some combination) that is interfering with the download. Since no one else is having a problem, it appears to be something specific to your computer. You could always go to another computer, download it to a USB stick and then install it on the first computer from that. -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President Ph: 517-803-4197 *NEW* MyTaskFocus 1.1 Get on task. Stay on task. http://www.CubicleSoft.com/MyTaskFocus/