From skip at pobox.com Fri Aug 1 00:16:44 2008 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:16:44 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Exception bsddb.db.DBAccessError In-Reply-To: <19972.193.121.250.194.1217489614.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> References: <25999.193.121.250.194.1217238356.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> <18575.53241.50274.275444@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <37382.193.121.250.194.1217403862.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> <18576.41383.869856.866276@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <19122.81.82.3.9.1217455314.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> <19972.193.121.250.194.1217489614.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> Message-ID: <18578.14796.838219.940834@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> >>> Can you apply it and see if it works for you? >> >> I haven't done enough testing yet, but based on the two emails that >> arrived since applying the patch, it seems to work. Amedee> I can now confirm that it works perfectly, just look at this Amedee> nice procmail log: Excellent. I'll apply it to the source and check it in. Skip From skip at pobox.com Fri Aug 1 00:23:09 2008 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:23:09 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Exception bsddb.db.DBAccessError In-Reply-To: <19972.193.121.250.194.1217489614.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> References: <25999.193.121.250.194.1217238356.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> <18575.53241.50274.275444@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <37382.193.121.250.194.1217403862.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> <18576.41383.869856.866276@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <19122.81.82.3.9.1217455314.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> <19972.193.121.250.194.1217489614.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> Message-ID: <18578.15181.77916.743729@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> > Excellent. I'll apply it to the source and check it in. Actually, I had already checked it in (last October). We just haven't had a release since then. I think it's time for a beta. Mark, how are you fixed for Windows installer creating time? Skip From mradke at paularadke.com Sun Aug 3 03:11:58 2008 From: mradke at paularadke.com (Mason Radke) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:11:58 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Possible to not deliver messages marked as spam? Message-ID: <000a01c8f505$ede3f3c0$c9abdb40$@com> Im trying to create a solution for checking email on my Iphone. I have the pop3 proxy setup and working great, and this would be a perfect solution if spambayes had an option to not deliver messages marked as spam. Possibly hold them in a database so you can later log in to review messages and mark as ham if needed? Is something like this possible? -Mason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at pobox.com Sun Aug 3 05:29:28 2008 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 22:29:28 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Possible to not deliver messages marked as spam? In-Reply-To: <000a01c8f505$ede3f3c0$c9abdb40$@com> References: <000a01c8f505$ede3f3c0$c9abdb40$@com> Message-ID: <18581.9752.840641.335187@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Mason> Im trying to create a solution for checking email on my Iphone. Mason> I have the pop3 proxy setup and working great, and this would be Mason> a perfect solution if spambayes had an option to not deliver Mason> messages marked as spam. Possibly hold them in a database so you Mason> can later log in to review messages and mark as ham if needed? Is Mason> something like this possible? I don't think the POP3 protocol can work that way. You ask for a message and you either get it or you get an error telling you that message doesn't exist. That would be an abuse of the protocol to return an error for messages which scored as spam. It's not at all obvious that any mail client could go back and get such "nonexistent" messages. Is IMAP not an option for you? I use it from my iPod Touch to access my Gmail account. That should support what you want to do. Skip From JRWEIT at aol.com Mon Aug 4 16:20:25 2008 From: JRWEIT at aol.com (JRWEIT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:20:25 EDT Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Mail Message-ID: Accidentally deleted all my spam and really do need it...badly. What do I do to retrieve? jrweit at aol.com **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On your site, you say that for non-English languages with accented characters, we should add : [Tokenizer] replace_nonascii_chars: True skip_max_word_size: 12 in the default_bayes_customize.ini file. I have no such file, neither did I in the 1.0.4 release, if I remember well. Only ini file is : Microsoft Outlook Internet Settings.ini I tried to add those few lines in it, but special characters are still replaced with "?". What should I do? Thanks and regards. From joan.cambras at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 17:46:08 2008 From: joan.cambras at gmail.com (Joan Cambras) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:46:08 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] rescan inbox? Message-ID: Dear all, Is there way to force SpamBayes to scan again the inbox? Thanks in advance! Joan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From d.mylle at invs.sante.fr Thu Aug 14 15:28:40 2008 From: d.mylle at invs.sante.fr (MYLLE David) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:28:40 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Message-ID: Monsieur, Il nous est impossible de d?sinstaller compl?ment SpamBayes d'un poste utilisateur sous windows xp avec Outlook 2002. On est oblig? de le d?sinstaller car l'onglet ne fonctionne plus sous Outlook. L'lorsque on veut le r?installer toujours le m?me message pourtant on a supprim? le profil de Outlook et aussi celui de windows. Pourriez-vous nous apporter une solution Cordialement From amedee at amedee.be Thu Aug 14 22:01:52 2008 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:01:52 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A48F30.3060902@amedee.be> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 MYLLE David schreef: > Monsieur, > > Il nous est impossible de d?sinstaller compl?ment SpamBayes d'un > poste utilisateur sous windows xp avec Outlook 2002. On est oblig? de > le d?sinstaller car l'onglet ne fonctionne plus sous Outlook. > L'lorsque on veut le r?installer toujours le m?me message pourtant on > a supprim? le profil de Outlook et aussi celui de windows. > > > Pourriez-vous nous apporter une solution Bonjour, Si vous avez des questions concernant Spambayes, je vous advise de les poser en Anglais, parce que la plupart des utilisateurs et surtout des developpeurs parle Anglais. Il est possible qu'on vous comprend mais vous ne pouvez pas en compter. For the rest of us, I will continue in English. And now some answers: 1. There is no "Monsieur", you have mailed to a public mailinglist that is read by a couple of hundred unorganised volunteers. 2. Please read the FAQ before asking a question: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html 3. You mention a problem but you don't give details. My crystal ball is not working today. Please give more details, like the *exact* error message. 4. Please do everything that is described in the troubleshooting guide: http://spambayes.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/spambayes/trunk/spambayes/Outlook2000/docs/troubleshooting.html Amedee. PS: please reply to the mailinglist. Spambayes mail sent to me directly will hit the bit bucket. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkikjy8ACgkQxc/p9jmqUL76KACg8A7v/H6v4smkzj0Qu0lzYUtd dHEAn3W775p4BbWjLAVLVZoINvtby19N =arhV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brajkishore.prasad at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 03:31:52 2008 From: brajkishore.prasad at gmail.com (Braj Kishore Prasad) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:01:52 +0530 Subject: [Spambayes] Config Issue Message-ID: <001801c8fe76$b2eafdc0$0401a8c0@home> Hi, I am trying to configure SpamBayes with Outlook Express Client in Windows XP but looks like it's not working. The Configuration home says"Database has no training information. SpamBayes will classify all messages as 'unsure', ready for you to train.". I tried to troubleshoot thru the help provided in the installation pack but didn't resolved. Could you please suggest me the steps to configure? Appreciate you help! 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From kingjohnson at comcast.net Fri Aug 15 20:15:53 2008 From: kingjohnson at comcast.net (Clydie King-Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:15:53 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <000601c8ff02$f4ae72f0$9600a8c0@CLYDIE> How do I down load this? I am not very good with computers. Clydie King-Johnson Home Loan Consultant direct (503) 654-6138 cell (503) 309-6347 fax (503) 659-3573 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at pobox.com Fri Aug 15 21:18:07 2008 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:18:07 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Thanks, but no luck In-Reply-To: <000301c8ff05$1b1305d0$51391170$@rr.com> References: <000301c8ff05$1b1305d0$51391170$@rr.com> Message-ID: <18597.54895.541106.216792@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Charlie> Looked for missing folder for possible spam in my trash but Charlie> didn't find it. Any other thoughts? Sorry, none from me. I don't use Windows so I don't know the ins and outs of the Outlook plugin. That's a common problem though, so I tossed it out there. Skip From amedee at amedee.be Sat Aug 16 00:06:57 2008 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:06:57 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Thanks, but no luck In-Reply-To: <18597.54895.541106.216792@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> References: <000301c8ff05$1b1305d0$51391170$@rr.com> <18597.54895.541106.216792@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Message-ID: <48A5FE01.2060700@amedee.be> skip at pobox.com schreef: > Charlie> Looked for missing folder for possible spam in my trash but > Charlie> didn't find it. Any other thoughts? > > Sorry, none from me. I don't use Windows so I don't know the ins and outs > of the Outlook plugin. That's a common problem though, so I tossed it out > there. I don't use Outlook at home either. I do at work, but it's weekend so... My best guess: create a new "unsure" folder, and use the spambayes manager to set it as such. If that doesn't work, reboot universe. :) -- Amedee From fu at fu.org Sun Aug 17 19:03:00 2008 From: fu at fu.org (Fu) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:03:00 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes pwning me? Message-ID: <65E635DD2344864885099E9881A4A9C63D128C11A8@shelley3.webville.net> After having Spambayes crash constantly on my new machine I found this FAQ section: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#after-installing-spambayes-outlook-crashes-and-then-asks-for-the-plug-in-to-be-disabled. Is it known if this issue is in Spambayes or in Outlook? Anything that's triggering DEP has the potential for an email virus written all over it. If the issue is in Spambayes, it should be a top priority to get fixed. If the issue is in Outlook, we should be bring it to Microsoft's attention to get a security patch ASAP. I'm now afraid of my former favorite piece of software. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amedee at amedee.be Sun Aug 17 23:13:15 2008 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:13:15 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes pwning me? In-Reply-To: <65E635DD2344864885099E9881A4A9C63D128C11A8@shelley3.webville.net> References: <65E635DD2344864885099E9881A4A9C63D128C11A8@shelley3.webville.net> Message-ID: <48A8946B.1040304@amedee.be> Fu schreef: > After having Spambayes crash constantly on my new machine I found > this FAQ section: > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#after-installing-spambayes-outlook-crashes-and-then-asks-for-the-plug-in-to-be-disabled. > Is it known if this issue is in Spambayes or in Outlook? Anything > that's triggering DEP has the potential for an email virus written > all over it. If the issue is in Spambayes, it should be a top > priority to get fixed. If the issue is in Outlook, we should be > bring it to Microsoft's attention to get a security patch ASAP. > > I'm now afraid of my former favorite piece of software. > Hello Fu, Spambayes is open source, so you can check the code yourself to see if there is anything nasty in it. If you want to convince Microsoft to change anything: good luck. My company, who has a bigger revenue and more eployees than Microsoft, was not able to move Microsoft even for an attoparsec concerning some other silly software "feature" (aka bug). If you want to change Spambayes yourself, I think that the developers will be very happy if you submit a patch. -- Amedee From fu at fu.org Mon Aug 18 01:10:13 2008 From: fu at fu.org (Fu) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:10:13 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes pwning me? In-Reply-To: <48A8946B.1040304@amedee.be> References: <65E635DD2344864885099E9881A4A9C63D128C11A8@shelley3.webville.net> <48A8946B.1040304@amedee.be> Message-ID: <65E635DD2344864885099E9881A4A9C63D128C11D0@shelley3.webville.net> To clarify, I'm not concerned about SpamBayes having malignant code in it, but if it has a DEP issue, that issue could be exploited to create an email worm that replicated without me ever having to open the email. Microsoft enabled DEP in Windows to protect us from flaws in software that could lead to this type of situation. Suggesting that users disable DEP is irresponsible. If there is a DEP issue in SpamBayes, fix it. If there is a DEP issue in Outlook when dealing with add-ins, if enough people report it, Microsoft will fix it. -----Original Message----- From: Amedee Van Gasse [mailto:amedee at amedee.be] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 2:13 PM To: Fu Cc: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Spambayes pwning me? Fu schreef: > After having Spambayes crash constantly on my new machine I found > this FAQ section: > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#after-installing-spambayes-outlook-crashes-and-then-asks-for-the-plug-in-to-be-disabled. > Is it known if this issue is in Spambayes or in Outlook? Anything > that's triggering DEP has the potential for an email virus written > all over it. If the issue is in Spambayes, it should be a top > priority to get fixed. If the issue is in Outlook, we should be > bring it to Microsoft's attention to get a security patch ASAP. > > I'm now afraid of my former favorite piece of software. > Hello Fu, Spambayes is open source, so you can check the code yourself to see if there is anything nasty in it. If you want to convince Microsoft to change anything: good luck. My company, who has a bigger revenue and more eployees than Microsoft, was not able to move Microsoft even for an attoparsec concerning some other silly software "feature" (aka bug). If you want to change Spambayes yourself, I think that the developers will be very happy if you submit a patch. -- Amedee From skip at pobox.com Mon Aug 18 02:13:50 2008 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:13:50 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes pwning me? In-Reply-To: <65E635DD2344864885099E9881A4A9C63D128C11D0@shelley3.webville.net> References: <65E635DD2344864885099E9881A4A9C63D128C11A8@shelley3.webville.net> <48A8946B.1040304@amedee.be> <65E635DD2344864885099E9881A4A9C63D128C11D0@shelley3.webville.net> Message-ID: <18600.48830.693997.953176@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> fu> To clarify, I'm not concerned about SpamBayes having malignant code fu> in it, but if it has a DEP issue, that issue could be exploited to fu> create an email worm that replicated without me ever having to open fu> the email. Microsoft enabled DEP in Windows to protect us from fu> flaws in software that could lead to this type of situation. fu> Suggesting that users disable DEP is irresponsible. If there is a fu> DEP issue in SpamBayes, fix it. If there is a DEP issue in Outlook fu> when dealing with add-ins, if enough people report it, Microsoft fu> will fix it. I'm not a Windows person, but it would appear that DEP is a fairly common cause of software installation problems: http://www.realtime-vista.com/administration/2007/04/disabling_data_execution_preve.htm In part, it says: If Vista (and actually this has been around since Windows Server 2003) sees that a process is being spawned that "could" be unwanted, DEP shuts it down. This is especially common in some application installations: if a Windows Installer setup (MSI) calls an executable in Vista, DEP could very well put a stop to it. If you are trying to run an installation or other executable being stopped by DEP, it could save you some trouble so turn it off while you attempt to give it another shot& The SpamBayes FAQ suggests listing Outlook as a safe application: 5.8 After installing SpamBayes, Outlook crashes and then asks for the plug-in to be disabled. Are you using an Athlon 64 or Core 2 Duo with DEP? There are issues with DEP and Outlook with a SpamBayes-based plug-in. Listing Outlook as a safe application on these processors should "solve" the problem. Also, this has been a known issue for quite awhile: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2005-August/017792.html If Mark Hammond hasn't figured out a way around the problem short of disabling DEP for Outlook my guess is it's not a trivial problem. Skip From fu at fu.org Mon Aug 18 08:22:34 2008 From: fu at fu.org (Fu) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:22:34 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes pwning me? In-Reply-To: <18600.48830.693997.953176@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> References: <65E635DD2344864885099E9881A4A9C63D128C11A8@shelley3.webville.net> <48A8946B.1040304@amedee.be> <65E635DD2344864885099E9881A4A9C63D128C11D0@shelley3.webville.net> <18600.48830.693997.953176@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Message-ID: <65E635DD2344864885099E9881A4A9C63D128C120B@shelley3.webville.net> The article that you reference to describe DEP is horribly inaccurate and misleading. Check out the Wikipedia article, it's considerably better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Execution_Prevention DEP does not misfire. Whenever hardware DEP kicks in, some software is trying to execute at an address that is not normally designed to contain executable code. This is often the result of a buffer overflow or some other software flaw. These are the flaws that allow all kinds of viruses, worms, and other attacks to flourish. That's why hardware NX (the technology use by DEP) was created by Intel in the first place - to make a large class of security attacks significantly more difficult. Executing code on the stack, in the heap, etc. could actually be intentional on the part of the executing program, but most seasoned developers consider that to be a poor design choice (see the "In some instances" paragraph in the Wikipedia article). The quality of design debate aside, this choice does open the program up to buffer overflows and other attacks that would normally be made much more difficult with DEP enabled. Forcing that choice on another program (an add-in forcing DEP to be disabled for all of Outlook) is undeniably an irresponsible choice. Turning off DEP for a critical program like Outlook which constantly receives unauthenticated data from effectively untraceable sources is opening an enormous security hole. The fact that this has been known about and left for three years is insane. Fixing DEP issues is not difficult, unless of course, the software has intentionally created this behavior. If that's the case with SpamBayes, it should be stated outright so that people can make informed decisions about using the software. I'm certainly not going to continue using it while it requires me to open the front door to my computer and invite people to come take advantage of me. -----Original Message----- From: skip at pobox.com [mailto:skip at pobox.com] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 5:14 PM To: Fu Cc: Amedee Van Gasse; spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Spambayes pwning me? fu> To clarify, I'm not concerned about SpamBayes having malignant code fu> in it, but if it has a DEP issue, that issue could be exploited to fu> create an email worm that replicated without me ever having to open fu> the email. Microsoft enabled DEP in Windows to protect us from fu> flaws in software that could lead to this type of situation. fu> Suggesting that users disable DEP is irresponsible. If there is a fu> DEP issue in SpamBayes, fix it. If there is a DEP issue in Outlook fu> when dealing with add-ins, if enough people report it, Microsoft fu> will fix it. I'm not a Windows person, but it would appear that DEP is a fairly common cause of software installation problems: http://www.realtime-vista.com/administration/2007/04/disabling_data_execution_preve.htm In part, it says: If Vista (and actually this has been around since Windows Server 2003) sees that a process is being spawned that "could" be unwanted, DEP shuts it down. This is especially common in some application installations: if a Windows Installer setup (MSI) calls an executable in Vista, DEP could very well put a stop to it. If you are trying to run an installation or other executable being stopped by DEP, it could save you some trouble so turn it off while you attempt to give it another shot& The SpamBayes FAQ suggests listing Outlook as a safe application: 5.8 After installing SpamBayes, Outlook crashes and then asks for the plug-in to be disabled. Are you using an Athlon 64 or Core 2 Duo with DEP? There are issues with DEP and Outlook with a SpamBayes-based plug-in. Listing Outlook as a safe application on these processors should "solve" the problem. Also, this has been a known issue for quite awhile: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2005-August/017792.html If Mark Hammond hasn't figured out a way around the problem short of disabling DEP for Outlook my guess is it's not a trivial problem. Skip From amedee at amedee.be Mon Aug 18 10:34:46 2008 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:34:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes pwning me? In-Reply-To: <65E635DD2344864885099E9881A4A9C63D128C120B@shelley3.webville.net> References: <65E635DD2344864885099E9881A4A9C63D128C11A8@shelley3.webville.net> <48A8946B.1040304@amedee.be> <65E635DD2344864885099E9881A4A9C63D128C11D0@shelley3.webville.net> <18600.48830.693997.953176@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <65E635DD2344864885099E9881A4A9C63D128C120B@shelley3.webville.net> Message-ID: <8471.193.121.250.194.1219048486.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> On Mon, August 18, 2008 08:22, Fu wrote: > The fact that this has been known about and left for three years is > insane. Fixing DEP issues is not difficult, unless of course, the > software has intentionally created this behavior. If that's the case with > SpamBayes, it should be stated outright so that people can make informed > decisions about using the software. I'm certainly not going to continue > using it while it requires me to open the front door to my computer and > invite people to come take advantage of me. You are absolutely right, but I think there is nobody available that has all of the below: * experience with python programming * experience with outlook programming * enough spare time to work on the code. --> this might be the most important thing SpamBayes is not a commercial product, it is a "hobby" project that the people who made it were kind enough to share with us. If you don't want to use it, then don't do that. I'm a happy Linux user and I don't have any of those problems so SpamBayes is perfect for me. There is nothing insane about not fixing a known bug. The issue is documented, if you want to pick it up and fix it, you will earn good karma. Or just telling on which line in which file there may be a problem. That is the great thing about open source: you are allowed to fix it! -- Amedee From skip at pobox.com Mon Aug 18 13:16:36 2008 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:16:36 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes pwning me? In-Reply-To: <65E635DD2344864885099E9881A4A9C63D128C120B@shelley3.webville.net> References: <65E635DD2344864885099E9881A4A9C63D128C11A8@shelley3.webville.net> <48A8946B.1040304@amedee.be> <65E635DD2344864885099E9881A4A9C63D128C11D0@shelley3.webville.net> <18600.48830.693997.953176@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <65E635DD2344864885099E9881A4A9C63D128C120B@shelley3.webville.net> Message-ID: <18601.23060.575147.633566@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> fu> DEP does not misfire. Whenever hardware DEP kicks in, some software fu> is trying to execute at an address that is not normally designed to fu> contain executable code. This is often the result of a buffer fu> overflow or some other software flaw. These are the flaws that fu> allow all kinds of viruses, worms, and other attacks to flourish. My suggestion in that case then is that Outlook is the place to look for problems, not SpamBayes (or really, Python). If Outlook executes some bit of external code, it's not that bit of code which decides where it will execute. Python is tested/examined for stuff like buffer overflows and other potential problems fairly regularly. SpamBayes is written in Python and has no bits written in C. fu> The fact that this has been known about and left for three years is fu> insane. Fixing DEP issues is not difficult, unless of course, the fu> software has intentionally created this behavior. As Amedee indicated, patches are always welcome. Skip From bonniesemail at tampabay.rr.com Fri Aug 22 15:29:32 2008 From: bonniesemail at tampabay.rr.com (bonnie) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:29:32 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Testing 1.1a4 Message-ID: <735E1F4656C64BA4B9215BD5E1D7F010@BonniesLaptop> I am running XP & Outlook 2003 SP3. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leslie at pratchco.com Sat Aug 23 23:33:05 2008 From: leslie at pratchco.com (Leslie Pratch) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:33:05 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Can I get SpamBayes to delete spam immediately rather than storing it in Junk Mail folder? Message-ID: SpamBayes is identifying spam correctly and I would like it to delete the spam it identifies immediately and permanently. Is this possible? What do I do? Thank you. Best Regards, Leslie Pratch 444 North Michigan Avenue Suite 1910 Chicago, IL 60611 Office: (312) 464-7919 www.pratchco.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amedee at amedee.be Sun Aug 24 13:43:18 2008 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:43:18 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Can I get SpamBayes to delete spam immediately rather than storing it in Junk Mail folder? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B14956.6000002@amedee.be> Leslie Pratch schreef: > SpamBayes is identifying spam correctly and I would like it to delete the > spam it identifies immediately and permanently. Is this possible? What do > I do? Thank you. > You didn't say how you are using SpamBayes: * as a procmail filter * as a POP3 or IMAP proxy * as an Outlook add-in I'm using SpamBayes as a procmail filter, and this is a part of my ~/.procmailrc: ----------CUT HERE---------- ### SpamBayes filtering starts here :0 fw:hamlock * < 1000000 | /usr/bin/sb_filter.py -o Headers:include_evidence:True -d $HOME/.hammiedb # Messages that are so obviously spam that we should not train on them :0 * ^X-SpamBayes-Classification: spam; 1.00 #.ztrain.obvious-spam/ /dev/null ----------CUT HERE---------- I cannot help you with the POP3/IMAP proxy because I have never used that. If you are using the Outlook add-in: SpamBayes has never and probably will never delete emails. SpamBayes is only a classifier, nothing more! There are sometimes questions on this mailing list from people claiming that SpamBayes has deleted their message, but SpamBayes simply does not contain a single line of code to delete emails. That being said, if you want automatic cleanup of the spam folder, you should look at the auto archive opions of Outlook. You can set that for all folders in Tool -> Options, but also for each individual folder with the right mouse button. Set the spam folder to be archived every day, all items older than one day, and don't move to another folder but delete. I'm not using Windows or Outlook now and at work it's the Dutch version so this is a from memory, excuse me if I didn't get it exactly right. -- Amedee From bglrvag at idcmailserver3.com Mon Aug 25 13:12:49 2008 From: bglrvag at idcmailserver3.com (2) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:12:49 +0800 Subject: [Spambayes] Free send a Cosmetics4680357 Message-ID: <200808250714515.SM02172@F35D3CCB236648E> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JJM at artech.com.uy Tue Aug 26 17:50:01 2008 From: JJM at artech.com.uy (Jorge Juan Mastropietro) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:50:01 -0300 Subject: [Spambayes] Mail with almost 0.00% score spam sent to Spam Folder Message-ID: Hello, When I receive mail from the same (automatic) sender it alwasys goes to the 'Junk mail' folder But when I see the 'Show spam clues' it shows 0% (7.71613e-005) for the combined Score I keep retraining these e-mails as good but they keep moving there with the 0% score. I also retrained with all the e-mail (spam and ham) but the 'prbolem' persists. Is it a problem or there is something I'm doing wrong? Thanks por any info. Spambayes binary 1.0.4 (March 2005) Windows XP Version 5.1(Build 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.07022702254: Service Pack 2) <> <> Regards, Jorge Mastropietro -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: spambayes1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 17444 bytes Desc: spambayes1.log URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: spambayes2.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 19867 bytes Desc: spambayes2.log URL: From hm005v6127 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Aug 29 13:40:16 2008 From: hm005v6127 at blueyonder.co.uk (HAMISH MCLEOD) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:40:16 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Hi, Message-ID: <000501c909cc$01fac5c0$0202a8c0@user2f6b0df226> Please could you tell me how to reverse a definition. I accidentally registered a regular newsletter as spam and now ~I cannot find any way to reverse that identification. None of the spam mails that spoambayes has identified are clickable in the folder where i sent them once identified and there is no apparent method to reverse the process, so all these newsletters are getting trashed as spam. Regards H Mcleod -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsp at PKC.com Fri Aug 29 14:00:15 2008 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:00:15 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Hi, In-Reply-To: <000501c909cc$01fac5c0$0202a8c0@user2f6b0df226> References: <000501c909cc$01fac5c0$0202a8c0@user2f6b0df226> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F906EF0ADF@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Assuming you're using the Outlook plug-in, you should be able to select any message in your spam folder, then click the "Not Spam" or "Recover from Spam" button on the SpamBayes toolbar. Alternatively, you should be able to drag it from your spam folder to your inbox. Either way, the training should be reversed. (You might need to do this with more than one message, depending on prior training.) I'm not sure how a message could not be "clickable." Can you provide details as to what you're doing, what you're expecting, and what's happening instead? Another approach is just to discard your training database altogether. Some people are reluctant to do this, but SpamBayes learns so quickly that it doesn't bother me to retrain. Click "SpamBayes" on the SpamBayes toolbar, select "SpamBayes Manager..." from the menu that displays, and click the "Training" tab. If you specify empty "known good" and "known spam" folders, check "Rebuild entire database," and click "Start Training," you'll end up with an empty training database. If you specify "known good" and "known spam" folders that have appropriate messages in them, you'll jump-start your training based on those messages. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org] On Behalf Of HAMISH MCLEOD Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 7:40 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Hi, Please could you tell me how to reverse a definition. I accidentally registered a regular newsletter as spam and now ~I cannot find any way to reverse that identification. None of the spam mails that spoambayes has identified are clickable in the folder where i sent them once identified and there is no apparent method to reverse the process, so all these newsletters are getting trashed as spam. Regards H Mcleod -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john_alison98 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 16:37:27 2008 From: john_alison98 at yahoo.com (John Alison) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spambayes] WITH GOOD FAITH Message-ID: <94083.21886.qm@web59510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I have a new email address!You can now email me at: john_alison98 at yahoo.com GET BACK TO ME FOR MORE INFORMATION - I WANT YOU TO HELP ME CLEAR THIS CONSIGNMENT THAT IS ALREADY IN EUROPE WHICH I SHIPPED THROUGH OUR DIPLOMATIC AGENT BUT THE CONTENTS OF THE PACKAGE IS $20,000,000.00 ALL IN $100.00 BILLS, BUT THE COURIER COMPANY DOES NOT KNOW THAT THE CONSIGNEMT CONTAINS MONEY. ALL I WANT YOU TO DONOW IS TO GIVE ME YOUR MAILING ADDRESS, YOUR PRIVATE PHONE AND FAX,IF THIS ARRANGEMENT IS OKAY BY YOU. YOU CAN CALL OR E-MAIL ME FOR SECURITY REASONS OTHER MODALITIES WILL BE DISCUSSED AS SOON AS YOU GET BACK TO ME INCLUDING SENDING OF THE KEYS TO THE BOXES TO YOU. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orangechat at aol.com Sat Aug 30 15:38:32 2008 From: orangechat at aol.com (orangechat at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:38:32 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <8CAD8BCD4381EEB-1128-2A35@WEBMAIL-MB15.sysops.aol.com> How can I manually input an email address to go automatically into the spam folder? Microsoft outlook SpamBayes 3174 Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amedee at amedee.be Sun Aug 31 16:17:57 2008 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:17:57 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <8CAD8BCD4381EEB-1128-2A35@WEBMAIL-MB15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAD8BCD4381EEB-1128-2A35@WEBMAIL-MB15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <48BAA815.5080605@amedee.be> orangechat at aol.com schreef: > How can I manually input an email address to go automatically into the spam folder? Depending on the software, there is more than one way. I'll answer for both programs. > Microsoft outlook You set up an Outlook rule to move all mail from that address to the spam folder. > SpamBayes 3174 You keep training Spambayes until it picks up that address as spam. -- Amedee