From anthemwebs at lvcoxmail.com  Thu Feb  1 15:43:20 2007
From: anthemwebs at lvcoxmail.com (Charles W Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 06:43:20 -0800
Subject: [Spambayes] Microsoft Office 2007
Message-ID: <000001c7460f$53c93ee0$fb5bbca0$@com>

Spambayes doesn?t seem to work on my newly installed Office 2007.  Any
intended dates?

 

Sincerely,

 

Chuck Davis

HYPERLINK "http://www.anthemwebs.com/"AnthemWebs.com

702-614-3107

 


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From tom.petersen at sdsd.sdbor.edu  Thu Feb  1 16:24:50 2007
From: tom.petersen at sdsd.sdbor.edu (Petersen, Tom)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 09:24:50 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Microsoft Office 2007
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Can you define the problem a little better?  It is working fine on my
Office 2007 install at work (exchange), and at home (using pop3)

 

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Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:43 AM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Microsoft Office 2007

 

Spambayes doesn't seem to work on my newly installed Office 2007.  Any
intended dates?

 

Sincerely,

 

Chuck Davis

AnthemWebs.com <http://www.anthemwebs.com/> 

702-614-3107

 

 

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From shinelight at shininglightpro.com  Thu Feb  1 16:51:27 2007
From: shinelight at shininglightpro.com (Thomas J. Hruska)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:51:27 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Microsoft Office 2007
In-Reply-To: <000001c7460f$53c93ee0$fb5bbca0$@com>
References: <000001c7460f$53c93ee0$fb5bbca0$@com>
Message-ID: <45C20C7F.7080700@shininglightpro.com>

Charles W Davis wrote:
> Spambayes doesn?t seem to work on my newly installed Office 2007.  Any
> intended dates?
> 
>  
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
>  
> 
> Chuck Davis
> 
> HYPERLINK "http://www.anthemwebs.com/"AnthemWebs.com
> 
> 702-614-3107

Don't use Office 2007?

Seriously - what do people expect to happen by moving to Office 2007 or
Windows Vista the day it becomes available?  Here's what I expect:
Unstable software that crashes a lot and no longer supports your
favorite software/hardware.  I'm waiting until at least two service
packs come out before I even _consider_ putting either one on a
production machine.  A testing box is okay, but the latest Microsoft
products don't touch my production hardware until it has been proven to
be stable.  They have a proven track record of releasing software that
has so many bugs that it is criminal.

-- 
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CubicleSoft President
Ph: 517-803-4197

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From dave at boost-consulting.com  Thu Feb  1 17:55:32 2007
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:55:32 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] date for new release to handle image spam?
References: <87vejlebxt.fsf@valverde.peloton>
	<MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIEEIODAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
Message-ID: <873b5pbywr.fsf@valverde.peloton>

"Seth Goodman" <sethg at goodmanassociates.com> writes:

<snip good stuff about how much more amazing the visual cortex is
than any OCR algorithm can be>
Yeah, sure, I know all that.

> Make OCR as "spam-specific" as you like, but it will require
> tweaking each time spammers change to an unusual font, background
> noise or text distortion.

Not necessarily.  There is voice recognition software that's resilient
against minor variations in accent, noise, and distortions.  In
principle, the same could apply to OCR spam recognition, given the
right models, so it wouldn't be "each time."

> I don't want to seem morose about this, but I don't believe it's a
> battle we can ultimately win.  It can still assist Spambayes
> classifying messages with image spam, but it's not a silver bullet.

Yeah.  The problem I'm having right now, I think, is that in those
messages where the image spam isn't successfully OCR'd, the garbage
words around the image get trained and degrade the overall performance
of my system.  Of course, that's just a guess, but it sure seems like
these days a lot more plain spam messages that ought to be recognized
as such are sneaking through than used to.

> This is really a problem to be solved at the MTA with stricter
> connection rules.  

What did you have in mind?

> Nonetheless, I suspect that Spambayes could improve
> by creating more synthetic tokens that describe the image better and
> taking advantage of serendipitous differences between tokens for image
> spam and those in each user's ham.  I'm not sure what those attributes
> are, but it probably beats trying to keep up with a quickly evolving
> captcha.  Outlook doesn't help the situation, as it destroys much of the
> MIME armor that might provide useful spam clues.

Fortunately, I'm not an Outlook slave.

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com


From jsp at PKC.com  Thu Feb  1 18:00:03 2007
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:00:03 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Microsoft Office 2007 (off topic)
In-Reply-To: <45C20C7F.7080700@shininglightpro.com>
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F905357596@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

Aww, c'mon, Thomas, tell us what you *really* think.  ;-)

I'm with you. But bear in mind that without over-eager early users to do
Microsoft's testing for them, bugs wouldn't get found as quickly and
you'd have to wait for, say, SP 5 to get reasonably stable software. A
cynic would tell you to be quiet and let the fools rush in, but I think
your attempt to educate is the more humane approach. (I was originally
going to take the cynical approach and reply to Thomas alone, but now I
see that I must copy the list or be a hypocrite.)

-jesse- 

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From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
On Behalf Of Thomas J. Hruska
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:51 AM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Microsoft Office 2007

Charles W Davis wrote:
> Spambayes doesn't seem to work on my newly installed Office 2007.  Any
> intended dates?
> 
>  
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
>  
> 
> Chuck Davis
> 
> HYPERLINK "http://www.anthemwebs.com/"AnthemWebs.com
> 
> 702-614-3107

Don't use Office 2007?

Seriously - what do people expect to happen by moving to Office 2007 or
Windows Vista the day it becomes available?  Here's what I expect:
Unstable software that crashes a lot and no longer supports your
favorite software/hardware.  I'm waiting until at least two service
packs come out before I even _consider_ putting either one on a
production machine.  A testing box is okay, but the latest Microsoft
products don't touch my production hardware until it has been proven to
be stable.  They have a proven track record of releasing software that
has so many bugs that it is criminal.

-- 
Thomas Hruska
CubicleSoft President
Ph: 517-803-4197

*NEW* VerifyMyPC 2.0
Change tracking and management tool.
Reduce tech. support times from 2 hours to 5 minutes.

Free for personal use, $10 otherwise.
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From skip at pobox.com  Thu Feb  1 18:27:16 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 11:27:16 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] date for new release to handle image spam?
In-Reply-To: <873b5pbywr.fsf@valverde.peloton>
References: <87vejlebxt.fsf@valverde.peloton>
	<MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIEEIODAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
	<873b5pbywr.fsf@valverde.peloton>
Message-ID: <17858.8948.637688.380426@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    David> The problem I'm having right now, I think, is that in those
    David> messages where the image spam isn't successfully OCR'd, the
    David> garbage words around the image get trained and degrade the
    David> overall performance of my system.  Of course, that's just a
    David> guess, but it sure seems like these days a lot more plain spam
    David> messages that ought to be recognized as such are sneaking through
    David> than used to.

If you run ocrad over some spam text images you can see what it generates.
If it finds nothing, nothing comes out the back end.  If it sees something,
it's almost certain to be some garbage text peculiar to it, unlikely to turn
up in normal text.  For example, here's a pretty clean image:

    http://www.webfast.com/~skip/bogus-5-3.png

Here's what ocrad produces by default:

    COULD THl_ BE THE NEXT IBM_
    ALL _|___ _wow IWAl LllL |_ ABO_| lo EXPLODEl
    WAIIW LllL p_ Ll_E A WAW_ _IARll__ WO_DA_ _EPIEWBER lll

    IomO_n_ __m_ L |_IL IOWP_IER_ |_I (o_h__ OII LllL p_)
    __o__ __mbol LllL
    F_ld__ Ilo__ O Tl (_o s_/_ On F_ld__ Alon_|)
    _ d__ |__o__ __
    I____n_ R__lnO ___onO B__
    \
    ln _h_ Io____ ot _ W___. LllL W____ ______| ___nnlnO Wo___'

    L ln___n__lon_| Anno_n___

    On_lo__h(IW) _P_o_P__ TP_hnoloO_ b_
    B_llP_ p_oo_ Da_a _P___|__ Ba_k_O_ and _P__o_P_
    |__ ____ __n____lon p__Aqco_TM_/P__AID CO_TM_
    _|__a Po__ablP wloh _OPPd _olld __a_P D_|_P TP_hnoloO_
    _h_ W___oOoll_. _hP Wo_ld _ _|___ _g laO_oO ComOrfP_
    _Pa___lnO W_ldla _ Q_a_ll TP_hnoloO_
    \
    L ln___n__lon_| _IOn_ _4 _W E__oO__n Dl___lb__lon AO___m_n_

    Th_ b_Pmo__ __PO b_wa_d _a__|_al _Pn___P |_ amonO o_hP_ p__|__|_P
    dl___lb__lon aO_PPmPn__ ____Pn_|_ _ndP_ nPOo_la_lon ?_ _P_P_al addl_lonal
    hlOh O_ofi_ _POlon_ and _PO_P_Pn__ a kP_ ___a_POl_ Oa__nP__hlO _ha_ _P___P_
    l ln_P_na_lonal ComO__P__ wl_h ___|_ Olobal ma_kP_ _Pa_h and O_a_an_PPd
    O_P _alP_ and lo_k_ _hP _omOan_ ln hlOhl_ dP_|_ablP p__|__|_P dl___lb__lon
    ma_kP__

    READ MORE ONLINE NOWl

    OPPORl__||_ DOE_ _ol __OI_ o_ IWE DOOR E_ER_ DA_|
    _o _A_E A Wl__IE IOODD LllL lo _O_R RADAR _ow A_D
    WAIIW II _OARl

So, even though ocrad doesn't do a very good job extracting text from the
image, most of the "words" it does produce are likely to be unused unless
they turn up in some other similar image spams.  The only drawback I can see
to those extra tokens is a bit of database bloat.

    Seth> Nonetheless, I suspect that Spambayes could improve by creating
    Seth> more synthetic tokens that describe the image better and taking
    Seth> advantage of serendipitous differences between tokens for image
    Seth> spam and those in each user's ham.

Correct on the last part.  It's unlikely that "_IOn__" will turn up in
normal text unless it's Klingon text.  If you record it as a spam clue in
one email and it turns up in another, that's probably a good sign they are
related.

As to the "creating more synthetic tokens", I'm open to suggestions.
Ignoring its OCR features, I think SpamBayes currently identifies that an
image is present, its mime type (distinguishing gif spams from Grandma's
jpeg photos for example) the log of its size.  Maybe it could generate clues
related to the image's dimensions, the total number of images in the email
or number of distinct colors.  Do you have other suggestions?

Skip

From dave at boost-consulting.com  Thu Feb  1 19:06:30 2007
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:06:30 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] date for new release to handle image spam?
In-Reply-To: <17858.8948.637688.380426@montanaro.dyndns.org> (skip@pobox.com's
	message of "Thu\, 1 Feb 2007 11\:27\:16 -0600")
References: <87vejlebxt.fsf@valverde.peloton>
	<MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIEEIODAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
	<873b5pbywr.fsf@valverde.peloton>
	<17858.8948.637688.380426@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <87ododoiqh.fsf@valverde.peloton>

skip at pobox.com writes:

> even though ocrad doesn't do a very good job extracting text from the
> image, most of the "words" it does produce are likely to be unused unless
> they turn up in some other similar image spams.  The only drawback I can see
> to those extra tokens is a bit of database bloat.

I'm talking about the real words _outside_ the image that have nothing
to do with the email topic, which the spammers include to foil
spambayes et al.

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com

From skip at pobox.com  Thu Feb  1 19:38:52 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:38:52 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] date for new release to handle image spam?
In-Reply-To: <87ododoiqh.fsf@valverde.peloton>
References: <87vejlebxt.fsf@valverde.peloton>
	<MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIEEIODAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
	<873b5pbywr.fsf@valverde.peloton>
	<17858.8948.637688.380426@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<87ododoiqh.fsf@valverde.peloton>
Message-ID: <17858.13244.894177.999958@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    David> I'm talking about the real words _outside_ the image that have
    David> nothing to do with the email topic, which the spammers include to
    David> foil spambayes et al.

They tend to be common words which score near 0.5 and are thus mostly
ignored anyway.

Skip

From kaminator3 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  2 02:51:48 2007
From: kaminator3 at yahoo.com (Kaminator)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:51:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Spambayes] Deleted or not deleted, trained or not trained?
Message-ID: <20070202015148.30859.qmail@web51601.mail.yahoo.com>

Spambayes devotees,

Before installing spambayes, I had set up holding
folder (Folder A) for tens of thousands of spam items.
 I then carefully screened a fraction of them to be
sure, and moved them to a folder (folder B) to really
get trained.  I trained on folder B but the items all
stayed there (i suppose that is normal), so I deleted
the items, and then had to empty the deleted folder. 
Did that a few times on batches of 500 or so and it
took too many steps, each with an hourglass wait.  

So then I just went into Folder B and Shift
highlighted a block of them at a time, and hit "Delete
as Spam? (seems like 250 was the right number, more
than that and it was messed up).  The items were
removed from Folder B (yipeee-satisfaction) but they
did not get added to the Junk Email count, and were
not added to the Deleted folder count. (I know the
count is just the unread items , but these POSs where
99.999% unread.)  Then I checked and they seemed to
not be added in the folder in reality (on theory that
the count and reality might be different). 

I had already thoroughly read FAQs and Troubleshooting
the plugin and noted that (a) a similar problem was
described but it was fixed by going cache mode which I
was already in, and (b) it was said that Outlook would
not let Spambayes ever really delete items.  The count
numbers did not change even after I closed Outlook and
reopened. 

So are these "deleted as Spam" deletions really
training, and are they really deleted?  Where are they
going?

Thanks, Ben



 
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From ty.zucker at stjohnglendale.com  Fri Feb  2 03:14:20 2007
From: ty.zucker at stjohnglendale.com (Ty Zucker)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 20:14:20 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Microsoft Office 2007
Message-ID: <D2F7D6394B53524390013789E40885172A54B5@pieper.stjohnglendale.com>

I have Office 2007 installed and experience problems too.  Spambayes
works fine when I'm at work and connected to our network and exchange
server.

When I leave the office and fire up Outlook, it connects to our exchange
server via rpc over http.  Upon starting Outlook, a dialog box pops up
that says:

There appears to be a problem with the SpamBayes configuration

Please select the SpamBayes manager, and run the Configuration Wizard to
reconfigure the filter.

When I open the SpamBayes Manager, under the General Tab in the section
"Filter Status" it says:
The unsure folder is invalid: MsgStoreException: Exception 0x-7ffbfee3
(MAPI_E_FAILONEPROVIDER): OLE error 0x8004011d

Also, every other tab in the SpamBayes Manager has <unknown> for
folders.

Basically this simply disables SpamBayes while I'm disconnected from the
domain at work.

I run Outlook in cached exchange mode.  I used the same setup with
Outlook 2003 with no problems.

-Ty

---------------------------------------------------------------
Can you define the problem a little better?  It is working fine on my
Office 2007 install at work (exchange), and at home (using pop3)

 

From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at
python.org]
On Behalf Of Charles W Davis
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:43 AM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Microsoft Office 2007

 

Spambayes doesn't seem to work on my newly installed Office 2007.  Any
intended dates?

 

Sincerely,

 

Chuck Davis

AnthemWebs.com <http://www.anthemwebs.com/> 

702-614-3107


From devadmin at webattack.com  Fri Feb  2 05:10:11 2007
From: devadmin at webattack.com (devadmin at webattack.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 23:10:11 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] SnapFiles: SpamBayes listing 1 year without updates
Message-ID: <200702012312375.SM02064@webattack2>


Open Source, spambayes at python.org
your SpamBayes listing at SnapFiles.com has not been updated in over a year. 

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Due to the release of Windows Vista, please verify the posted operating system compatibility for each of your products. 
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License      : Freeware 
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Last update  : Apr 5 2005 12:00AM 
=========================================================== 
 
 
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Thank you for your cooperation

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From sethg at goodmanassociates.com  Fri Feb  2 06:23:03 2007
From: sethg at goodmanassociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 23:23:03 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] date for new release to handle image spam?
In-Reply-To: <873b5pbywr.fsf@valverde.peloton>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIELGOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>

David Abrahams wrote on Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:56 AM -0600:

> "Seth Goodman" <sethg at goodmanassociates.com> writes:
>
> <snip good stuff about how much more amazing the visual cortex is
> than any OCR algorithm can be>
> Yeah, sure, I know all that.
>
> > Make OCR as "spam-specific" as you like, but it will require
> > tweaking each time spammers change to an unusual font, background
> > noise or text distortion.
>
> Not necessarily.  There is voice recognition software that's resilient
> against minor variations in accent, noise, and distortions.  In
> principle, the same could apply to OCR spam recognition, given the
> right models, so it wouldn't be "each time."

As a practical example, people have been using  AOI (automated optical
inspection) in hardware manufacturing for years.  Despite the obvious
value of having such a technology work well, very few people who have
actually used it will tell you that it's worth the trouble.  This is not
due to lack of effort or lack of talent applied to the problem.  The
difficulties involved with small differences of color temperature of
lighting, surface reflectance and orientation changes make this a
babysitting nightmare.  OTOH, people look at the monitor and identify
good parts from bad ones in a fraction of a second reliably.  Each new
visual "clue" causes the software folks to go away for a week or two to
tweak the application.  In theory, these should not be big problems, but
they still are.

The "right models" have eluded the best minds in the AOI business for a
much more constrained problem, so I'm not very confident we can stay
ahead of a group that actively obfuscates messages into images.


>
> > I don't want to seem morose about this, but I don't believe it's a
> > battle we can ultimately win.  It can still assist Spambayes
> > classifying messages with image spam, but it's not a silver bullet.
>
> Yeah.  The problem I'm having right now, I think, is that in those
> messages where the image spam isn't successfully OCR'd, the garbage
> words around the image get trained and degrade the overall performance
> of my system.  Of course, that's just a guess, but it sure seems like
> these days a lot more plain spam messages that ought to be recognized
> as such are sneaking through than used to.

At least on my system, Spambayes works very well on non-image spam, and
it is at least partly effective on image spam.  The word salad they use
to drown out significant clues generally fails, but if they throw enough
words at it, they sometimes dilute the spam clues sufficiently.  The
fact that they throw hundreds of "noise" words at the filters for every
spam clue they want to hide and Bayesian filters still catch half or
three-quarters of it shows how powerful the Bayesian approach really is.
Skip's OCR approach is just to bring us above the noise floor again on
this class of spam.  You only need a few good clues to push the
classification over the threshold, so you can miss most of them and
still succeed.


> > This is really a problem to be solved at the MTA with stricter
> > connection rules.
>
> What did you have in mind?

There are a lot of clues that you use in an MTA when deciding which
connections you accept.  By combining a number of these behavioral
clues, you can reject most of the garbage at the envelope stage of the
SMTP transaction when it costs you the least.  For every spam that
Spambayes finds in your inbox, there are hundreds, sometimes thousands,
of incoming messages that your MTA refuses to accept.  A small
improvement at this stage makes a big difference in what Spambayes has
to classify.  Since most spam today comes from trojaned Windows
machines, anything that can differentiate those hosts from legitimate
mail systems, especially at the envelope stage, are the clues you want
to pay attention to.  Here are a few examples:

- zombie hosts tend to be weak on SMTP etiquette, so one clue is that
they often fail to wait when asked; making the SMTP client wait for 30
seconds before sending the "connect banner" often tricks impatient
zombies into spewing, and you can then hang up;

- legitimate mail systems tend to have static IP's with properly
configured reverse DNS that matches their forward DNS; zombies tend to
have either no reverse DNS, or PTR records that do not match their A
records, and their forward DNS is often dynamic;

- legitimate mail systems generally identify themselves at the beginning
of the SMTP conversation with a legitimate host name; zombies often try
to use one of your host names, hoping to make you think you are talking
to a local host on your own network, or a host name like "fred" that
does not resolve to an IP address;

There are a large number of other possible clues along these lines
(behavioral heuristics), most of them not individually definitive.
Reasonable people disagree on which clues are the most important and
which you should ignore, so this knowledge is tricky to apply.  If you
can come up with enough different types of behavior to observe, you
might apply Bayesian classification to some advantage over trying to
figure out the significant correlations on your own.  I don't know if
you've played with rule-based spam filters that use word lists and
regular expressions, but it's an interesting exercise and surprising how
often our intuition is wrong.

--
Seth Goodman


From sethg at goodmanassociates.com  Fri Feb  2 06:41:44 2007
From: sethg at goodmanassociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 23:41:44 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] date for new release to handle image spam?
In-Reply-To: <17858.8948.637688.380426@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEELHOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>

skip at pobox.com wrote on Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:27 AM -0600:

> As to the "creating more synthetic tokens", I'm open to suggestions.
> Ignoring its OCR features, I think SpamBayes currently identifies
> that an image is present, its mime type (distinguishing gif spams
> from Grandma's jpeg photos for example) the log of its size.  Maybe
> it could generate clues related to the image's dimensions, the total
> number of images in the email or number of distinct colors.  Do you
> have other suggestions?

Exactly which clues are significant is the $64,000 question, just as it
is with word frequencies.  The approach that SpamBayes took with that
problem may be applicable here.  Rather than try to imagine which clues
will be definitive, I was thinking out loud if we might provide a large
number of seemingly unrelated clues and letting the Bayesian classifier
look for correlations.  We can't guess in advance what those clues
should be, so the idea is to provide as many different ones as possible
and hope that Spambayes finds some useful.  Maybe things like animation
rate, contrast ratio, color bias, ... any actual piece of information
that varies from one image to the next.  There are probably a lot of
metrics available to people who are expert in image processing.  Then
there are the email specific ones like content transfer encoding of each
MIME part, total characters in each MIME part, character set, etc.

--
Seth Goodman


From gonnyc at gmail.com  Fri Feb  2 15:29:08 2007
From: gonnyc at gmail.com (Gon)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:29:08 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook-spambays problem
Message-ID: <320bbd230702020629t6401831fo7e287fb36cfb30be@mail.gmail.com>

I posted a message on the subscription list a while ago and received no
response....
I have been using SpamBayes with my outlook for months with no problem and
was very pleased by its operation. A while ago the problem bega - any click
on SpamBayes buttins - "delete as spam" or "spambayes manager" prompts
outlook to crash. I don't receive any error messages except "outlook has
encountered a problem and has to shut down".
I am using Windown XP and outlook 2003.

Please help!

Gon Kafri
Parents Circle
gonnyc at gmail.com
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From jsp at PKC.com  Fri Feb  2 15:49:03 2007
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:49:03 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook-spambays problem
In-Reply-To: <320bbd230702020629t6401831fo7e287fb36cfb30be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F905357789@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

There's a message thread in the archive that may help, though your
circumstances are different. See
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2003-November/009604.html.
 
If you're using the PGP freeware plugin for Outlook, see
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/apps/outlook/bugs.html#pgp-addin-causes
-crashes.
 
And maybe the following is relevant:
http://www.mail-archive.com/spambayes-dev at python.org/msg00527.html.
 
I'm grasping at straws (provided by a Google search for "spambayes
crashes outlook") here. If none of these suggestions help, you could try
the search yourself to see if any of the bazillion or so other results
are helpful.

________________________________

From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
On Behalf Of Gon
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:29 AM
To: SpamBayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook-spambays problem


I posted a message on the subscription list a while ago and received no
response....
I have been using SpamBayes with my outlook for months with no problem
and was very pleased by its operation. A while ago the problem bega -
any click on SpamBayes buttins - "delete as spam" or "spambayes manager"
prompts outlook to crash. I don't receive any error messages except
"outlook has encountered a problem and has to shut down". 
I am using Windown XP and outlook 2003.
 
Please help!
 
Gon Kafri
Parents Circle
gonnyc at gmail.com
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From skip at pobox.com  Fri Feb  2 16:23:00 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:23:00 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] date for new release to handle image spam?
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIELGOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
References: <873b5pbywr.fsf@valverde.peloton>
	<MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIELGOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
Message-ID: <17859.22356.153465.151561@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Seth> The word salad they use to drown out significant clues generally
    Seth> fails, but if they throw enough words at it, they sometimes dilute
    Seth> the spam clues sufficiently.  The fact that they throw hundreds of
    Seth> "noise" words at the filters for every spam clue they want to hide
    Seth> and Bayesian filters still catch half or three-quarters of it
    Seth> shows how powerful the Bayesian approach really is....

Hmmm... Could we do something to measure the amount of word salad without
penalizing large non-image emails?

    Seth> - zombie hosts tend to be weak on SMTP etiquette, so one clue is
    Seth>   that they often fail to wait when asked; making the SMTP client
    Seth>   wait for 30 seconds before sending the "connect banner" often
    Seth>   tricks impatient zombies into spewing, and you can then hang up;

Yeah, but this is a job for postgrey and other similar tools.

    Seth> - legitimate mail systems tend to have static IP's with properly
    Seth>   configured reverse DNS that matches their forward DNS; zombies
    Seth>   tend to have either no reverse DNS, or PTR records that do not
    Seth>   match their A records, and their forward DNS is often dynamic;

This is maybe something we can work with.  SB could, in theory, check for
(some of) these DNS properties in addresses it finds in the Received:
headers.  (I suppose Outlook mangles this information as well though.)

    Seth> - legitimate mail systems generally identify themselves at the
    Seth>   beginning of the SMTP conversation with a legitimate host name;
    Seth>   zombies often try to use one of your host names, hoping to make
    Seth>   you think you are talking to a local host on your own network,
    Seth>   or a host name like "fred" that does not resolve to an IP
    Seth>   address;

Again, this is an MTA-level operation.  I'm interested in finding more
things SB can do to classify email that gets by the MTA.

    Seth> I don't know if you've played with rule-based spam filters that
    Seth> use word lists and regular expressions, but it's an interesting
    Seth> exercise and surprising how often our intuition is wrong.

It's been several years, but before SpamBayes I did use SpamAssassin.

Maybe we should move this discussion to spambayes-dev.  I suspect we've put
many of the users/non-developers to sleep by now.

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Fri Feb  2 16:27:06 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:27:06 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] date for new release to handle image spam?
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEELHOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
References: <17858.8948.637688.380426@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEELHOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
Message-ID: <17859.22602.688996.861614@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Seth> Rather than try to imagine which clues will be definitive, I was
    Seth> thinking out loud if we might provide a large number of seemingly
    Seth> unrelated clues and letting the Bayesian classifier look for
    Seth> correlations.

Yeah, but we do need to perform the clue extraction from the image or its
properties. ;-)

    Seth> Maybe things like animation rate, contrast ratio, color bias,
    Seth> ... any actual piece of information that varies from one image to
    Seth> the next.

If people can tell me how to compute any of these metrics using PIL (or
point me to some cookbook sites that describe them), I can put them into SB.

    Seth> Then there are the email specific ones like content transfer
    Seth> encoding of each MIME part, total characters in each MIME part,
    Seth> character set, etc.

I think a fair amount of this stuff is already calculated.  We probably need
a dictionary of synthetic clues written down somewhere we can refer to.

Skip

From sethg at goodmanassociates.com  Fri Feb  2 16:56:28 2007
From: sethg at goodmanassociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:56:28 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] date for new release to handle image spam?
In-Reply-To: <17859.22356.153465.151561@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAGEMIOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>

skip at pobox.com wrote on Friday, February 02, 2007 9:23 AM -0600:

> Maybe we should move this discussion to spambayes-dev.  I suspect
> we've put many of the users/non-developers to sleep by now.

Moving this to spambayes-dev.

-- 
Seth Goodman

From carol.white at nationalhi.com  Fri Feb  2 17:23:08 2007
From: carol.white at nationalhi.com (Carol White - NHI)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:23:08 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages disappearing
Message-ID: <KIELKHKDGELMHFBKJPCEGEAKDHAA.carol.white@nationalhi.com>

I am trying to figure out where my messages are going. I have a box set up
for spam and one set up for suspects. When I hit the send/receive button, I
see messages starting to download, but they disappear from the inbox and I
do not find them in the Spam or suspect box. I have checked the delete box
and my files on my inbox and cannot find them. I am concerned I am missing
important messages.

Thanks

Carol A. White RN, MS, ANPC, GNPC, CLNC
Board Certified Adult Nurse Practitioner
Board Certified Geriatric Nurse Practitioner
Certified Legal Nurse Consultant

Executive Director
National Healthcare Innovations
www.nationalhi.com
carol.white at nationalhi.com
333 East First Street
Warren, IN  46792
--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date: 2/1/2007
2:28 PM


From tom.petersen at sdsd.sdbor.edu  Fri Feb  2 18:36:21 2007
From: tom.petersen at sdsd.sdbor.edu (Petersen, Tom)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:36:21 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages disappearing
In-Reply-To: <KIELKHKDGELMHFBKJPCEGEAKDHAA.carol.white@nationalhi.com>
References: <KIELKHKDGELMHFBKJPCEGEAKDHAA.carol.white@nationalhi.com>
Message-ID: <2882AF79748F4548AC2CD96AE183703A0E4C73@SDSD-EX01.usdsu.local>

I would temporarily disable or uninstall SpamBayes and try again, as I
don't suspect it is the culprit.  With it disabled, try the operation
again and see if the problem is still there, if so, it's not SB doing
it.

Have you looked under Tools and Rules to make sure something hasn't been
setup to move email around?  Do you have any plus sings on any of your
inbox folders indicating there may be a subfolder that the email is
slipping into?

My $.02  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
On Behalf Of Carol White - NHI
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:23 AM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages disappearing

I am trying to figure out where my messages are going. I have a box set
up
for spam and one set up for suspects. When I hit the send/receive
button, I
see messages starting to download, but they disappear from the inbox and
I
do not find them in the Spam or suspect box. I have checked the delete
box
and my files on my inbox and cannot find them. I am concerned I am
missing
important messages.

Thanks

Carol A. White RN, MS, ANPC, GNPC, CLNC
Board Certified Adult Nurse Practitioner
Board Certified Geriatric Nurse Practitioner
Certified Legal Nurse Consultant

Executive Director
National Healthcare Innovations
www.nationalhi.com
carol.white at nationalhi.com
333 East First Street
Warren, IN  46792
--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date:
2/1/2007
2:28 PM

_______________________________________________
SpamBayes at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

From jsp at PKC.com  Fri Feb  2 18:38:03 2007
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:38:03 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages disappearing
In-Reply-To: <KIELKHKDGELMHFBKJPCEGEAKDHAA.carol.white@nationalhi.com>
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F905357835@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

Perhaps the FAQ can help:
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#some-of-my-mail-is-going-missi
ng. 

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
On Behalf Of Carol White - NHI
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:23 AM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages disappearing

I am trying to figure out where my messages are going. I have a box set
up
for spam and one set up for suspects. When I hit the send/receive
button, I
see messages starting to download, but they disappear from the inbox and
I
do not find them in the Spam or suspect box. I have checked the delete
box
and my files on my inbox and cannot find them. I am concerned I am
missing
important messages.

Thanks

Carol A. White RN, MS, ANPC, GNPC, CLNC
Board Certified Adult Nurse Practitioner
Board Certified Geriatric Nurse Practitioner
Certified Legal Nurse Consultant

Executive Director
National Healthcare Innovations
www.nationalhi.com
carol.white at nationalhi.com
333 East First Street

From Rich at RBarger.com  Fri Feb  2 19:52:12 2007
From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:52:12 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Problems on Windows machines
Message-ID: <45C3885C.3B2C2D1F@RBarger.com>


After reading descriptions of on-again, off-again SpamBayes problems
from users of Windows and other Microsoft products for the past several
months, I wondered about -- and don't recall seeing any posted comments
or suggestions related to -- the culpability of some of Microsoft's many
automatic updates.

Maybe the group has discussed this, and I've just missed it, but the
otherwise dissimilar nature of many of the "lost mail/impaired
functionality" seems to have one commonality:  Microsoft operating
systems or email systems.

Could we simply be seeing the results of one automatic update or another
resetting an individual user's security and other preferences?  Or is
this idea so simpleminded that the more sophisticated readers are now
breaking out into hysterical laughter?

Rich Barger
Kansas City


From jsp at PKC.com  Fri Feb  2 21:00:50 2007
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:00:50 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Problems on Windows machines
In-Reply-To: <45C3885C.3B2C2D1F@RBarger.com>
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9053578A9@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

I wonder the same thing periodically.  None of the automatic updates has
ever caused my SpamBayes installation to fail, though, so the only
evidence I have tends to lead to a verdict of not guilty.  Actually, the
Scottish Verdict ("not proven" - see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_proven) may be most appropriate at this
point. 

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
On Behalf Of Richard B Barger ABC APR
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:52 PM
To: SpamBayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Problems on Windows machines


After reading descriptions of on-again, off-again SpamBayes problems
from users of Windows and other Microsoft products for the past several
months, I wondered about -- and don't recall seeing any posted comments
or suggestions related to -- the culpability of some of Microsoft's many
automatic updates.

Maybe the group has discussed this, and I've just missed it, but the
otherwise dissimilar nature of many of the "lost mail/impaired
functionality" seems to have one commonality:  Microsoft operating
systems or email systems.

Could we simply be seeing the results of one automatic update or another
resetting an individual user's security and other preferences?  Or is
this idea so simpleminded that the more sophisticated readers are now
breaking out into hysterical laughter?

Rich Barger
Kansas City

_______________________________________________
SpamBayes at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

From Rich at RBarger.com  Fri Feb  2 21:13:57 2007
From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Problems on Windows machines
References: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9053578A9@PKCVT01.pkc.com>
Message-ID: <45C39B85.6A212C90@RBarger.com>


Thanks, Jesse.

On some software, I've learned that users who tweak Microsoft's automatic,
or preferred, settings get different results from those who just leave
everything "as is."  So some of the differences in user experience reflected
in pleas to this group could be from different behind-the-scenes set-ups or
tweaks or adjustments.

With one mix of settings, everything works fine all the time; with another
mix, a Microsoft security update is enough to cause some stuff -- SpamBayes?
-- to stop working.  I've had that happen with other software, so it seems
plausible that it could affect SpamBayes, too.

Anyway, "not proven" is exactly where we stand.

Thanks again.

Rich Barger

---

Jesse Pelton wrote:

> I wonder the same thing periodically.  None of the automatic updates has
> ever caused my SpamBayes installation to fail, though, so the only
> evidence I have tends to lead to a verdict of not guilty.  Actually, the
> Scottish Verdict ("not proven" - see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_proven) may be most appropriate at this
> point.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
> On Behalf Of Richard B Barger ABC APR
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:52 PM
> To: SpamBayes at python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Problems on Windows machines
>
> After reading descriptions of on-again, off-again SpamBayes problems from
> users of Windows and other Microsoft products for the past several months,
> I wondered about -- and don't recall seeing any posted comments or
> suggestions related to -- the culpability of some of Microsoft's many
> automatic updates.
>
> Maybe the group has discussed this, and I've just missed it, but the
> otherwise dissimilar nature of many of the "lost mail/impaired
> functionality" seems to have one commonality:  Microsoft operating systems
> or email systems.
>
> Could we simply be seeing the results of one automatic update or another
> resetting an individual user's security and other preferences?  Or is this
> idea so simpleminded that the more sophisticated readers are now breaking
> out into hysterical laughter?
>
> Rich Barger
> Kansas City


From dave at boost-consulting.com  Sat Feb  3 12:35:15 2007
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 06:35:15 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Not mining my Subject headers?
Message-ID: <87irejzd70.fsf@valverde.peloton>


How is it that for a message with 

  Subject: Huge online pharmacy

Spambayes isn't using "pharmacy" as a classification token?  I can't
find a setting that will make it do that, either.

Thanks,

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com


From listmail at athenet.net  Sat Feb  3 19:15:47 2007
From: listmail at athenet.net (Tom)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 12:15:47 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Help! Can't configure 1.1a3 at all, SERVER ERROR
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20070126185310.0dbf0738@localhost>
References: <17850.27318.134303.362896@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20070126134813.0c0eed48@localhost>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20070126095201.0bd53ea8@localhost>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20070125094608.0db99e28@localhost>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20070126134813.0c0eed48@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20070203120642.0c0e2090@localhost>

I ran the windows installer for 1.1.a3, telling it I was using the 
proxy.  It dies when I try to save my options including zodb:
500 Server error

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 476, in found_terminator
   File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyc", line 884, in onChangeopts
   File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 782, in reReadOptions
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 1007, in _recreateState
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 1022, in prepare
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 822, in prepare
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 885, in createWorkers
   File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 949, in open_storage
   File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 695, in __init__
   File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 719, in load
ImportError: No module named ZODB

If I just open the config page and click Save right away without changing 
anything, or if I change anything, I get this:

500 Server error
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 476, in found_terminator
   File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyc", line 884, in onChangeopts
   File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 782, in reReadOptions
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 1007, in _recreateState
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 1022, in prepare
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 822, in prepare
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 889, in createWorkers
   File "spambayes\Stats.pyc", line 60, in __init__
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_statistics_start_date'

I'm going to try the Microsoft fix and reboot. But do I need to find ZODB 
and install it first? You said it was in the windows installer, didn't you?

Ok, rebooted. Still get the same errors in the config page.

I can't even get to the review messages page:

500 Server error
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 476, in found_terminator
   File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 552, in onReview
   File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 247, in _buildReviewKeys
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'keys'

Ok, uninstalled all prior versions and removed the service. Reinstalled. 
Still get this when I click save on the config page:

500 Server error
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 476, in found_terminator
   File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyc", line 884, in onChangeopts
   File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 782, in reReadOptions
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 1007, in _recreateState
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 1022, in prepare
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 822, in prepare
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 889, in createWorkers
   File "spambayes\Stats.pyc", line 60, in __init__

AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_statistics_start_date'



At 06:56 PM 1/26/2007 -0600, you wrote:
>At 02:55 PM 1/26/2007 -0600, you wrote:
> >     >> The default storage doesn't support multiple writers to the 
> database.
> >
> >     Tom> I take this to mean that perhaps I was training on some messages
> >     Tom> while my email client was open and actively updating the
> >     Tom> database... is that what this might mean?
> >
> >Yup.  If you're using the pop3 proxy why would your email client be updating
> >the database?
>
>Well, what I meant to say is that the email client initiated a mail
>download, causing the proxy to update the db.
>
>
> >     >> What version of SpamBayes are you running?  I thought the latest
> >     >> version had zodb and zeo options.
> >
> >     Tom> Pop3 proxy version is 1.0.4.
> >
> >I just rummaged through the change log in the source.  It appears that the
> >zodb/zeo support is new in 1.1.  You can try 1.1a2 or 1.1a3, the latest
> >versions.  Zodb storage is the default since 1.1a2 was released last April.
> >We've been much too long in alpha test for 1.1, but we collectively are
> >short on time.  If you decide to upgrade your feedback would be much
> >appreciated.  Given that your current database is corrupt I'd just toss it
> >instead of trying to convert it from dbm to zodb.
>
>Ok, thanks. I wasn't aware that there was a 1.1 alpha out there yet. How
>dangerous is it to run 1.1a3?
>
>Do either dbm or zodb require other support, e.g. other packages I need to
>download and install?
>
> >Skip
>
>
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>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SpamBayes at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


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From dave at boost-consulting.com  Sat Feb  3 22:14:54 2007
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:14:54 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] lots of unsures, heavily biased towards spam
Message-ID: <87zm7vvt81.fsf@valverde.peloton>


I'm getting what the title says.  I very rarely see ham classified as
unsure, and I get a few hundred unsures per day.  I keep training on
the unsures, which means my database accumulates lots more spam than
ham over time.  Is there anything I can do to help reduce the number
of messages classified as unsure without hurting Spambayes' ability to
correctly recognize ham?

Thanks,

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com


From sethg at goodmanassociates.com  Sat Feb  3 22:41:24 2007
From: sethg at goodmanassociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 15:41:24 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] lots of unsures, heavily biased towards spam
In-Reply-To: <87zm7vvt81.fsf@valverde.peloton>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIEPBOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>

spambayes-bounces at python.org <> wrote on Saturday, February 03, 2007
3:15 PM -0600:

> I'm getting what the title says.  I very rarely see ham classified as
> unsure, and I get a few hundred unsures per day.  I keep training on
> the unsures, which means my database accumulates lots more spam than
> ham over time.  Is there anything I can do to help reduce the number
> of messages classified as unsure without hurting Spambayes' ability to
> correctly recognize ham?

If your training set has much more spam than ham, you can train on ham
that already scores properly.  Whether you choose ham that scores very
low already (typical ham) or the highest scoring ham (unusual ham) is
your preference.  If you use the Outlook plugin, just move the ham you
want to train on to the unsure folder and tell Spambayes it's not spam.
How much trained ham/spam imbalance is too much is also up for debate.
Some people have reported good results with 5:1 and even 10:1 imbalance,
while others do poorly under those conditions.  I try to avoid mine
going further than 2:1 and train on my highest scoring ham to fix it.
This seems to work better for me than training only on unsures.

Another underappreciated issue with all self-learning classifiers is
that they are very sensitive to training mistakes.  Training a couple of
messages in the wrong category can really change the outcome, and the
Outlook plugin doesn't tell you which messages are trained and whether
you trained them as ham or spam.  You have to figure this out
indirectly, usually by rescoring all your messages and looking for
obvious errors.  With a large set of messages, the likelihood of
spotting a training mistake goes down.  Fortunately, it's not hard to
start from scratch, so this is a reasonable thing to try if things are
not working as well as they should.

Please let us know what you try, what helps and what doesn't.

--
Seth Goodman


From skip at pobox.com  Sat Feb  3 22:47:45 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 15:47:45 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Help! Can't configure 1.1a3 at all, SERVER ERROR
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20070203120642.0c0e2090@localhost>
References: <17850.27318.134303.362896@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20070126134813.0c0eed48@localhost>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20070126095201.0bd53ea8@localhost>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20070125094608.0db99e28@localhost>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20070203120642.0c0e2090@localhost>
Message-ID: <17861.769.191658.732295@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tom> ImportError: No module named ZODB

Hmmm...  I thought the Windows installer for SpamBayes shipped with ZODB.
I'm not a Windows person though, so I can't verify that.  If not, you can
get it here:

    http://www.zope.org/Products/ZODB3.2

Skip

From listmail at athenet.net  Sun Feb  4 00:32:11 2007
From: listmail at athenet.net (Tom)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:32:11 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Help! Can't get  1.1a3 to work at all, SERVER ERROR
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20070203173046.0bae88f8@mail.athenet.net>

I ran the windows installer for 1.1.a3, telling it I was using the 
proxy.  It dies when I try to save my options including zodb:
500 Server error

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 476, in found_terminator
   File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyc", line 884, in onChangeopts
   File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 782, in reReadOptions
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 1007, in _recreateState
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 1022, in prepare
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 822, in prepare
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 885, in createWorkers
   File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 949, in open_storage
   File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 695, in __init__
   File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 719, in load
ImportError: No module named ZODB

If I just open the config page and click Save right away without changing 
anything, or if I change anything, I get this:

500 Server error
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 476, in found_terminator
   File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyc", line 884, in onChangeopts
   File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 782, in reReadOptions
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 1007, in _recreateState
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 1022, in prepare
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 822, in prepare
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 889, in createWorkers
   File "spambayes\Stats.pyc", line 60, in __init__
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_statistics_start_date'

I'm going to try the Microsoft fix and reboot. But do I need to find ZODB 
and install it first? You said it was in the windows installer, didn't you?

Ok, rebooted. Still get the same errors in the config page.

I can't even get to the review messages page:

500 Server error
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 476, in found_terminator
   File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 552, in onReview
   File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 247, in _buildReviewKeys
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'keys'

Ok, uninstalled all prior versions and removed the service. Reinstalled. 
Still get this when I click save on the config page:

500 Server error
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 476, in found_terminator
   File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyc", line 884, in onChangeopts
   File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 782, in reReadOptions
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 1007, in _recreateState
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 1022, in prepare
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 822, in prepare
   File "sb_server.pyc", line 889, in createWorkers
   File "spambayes\Stats.pyc", line 60, in __init__

AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_statistics_start_date'



At 06:56 PM 1/26/2007 -0600, you wrote:
>At 02:55 PM 1/26/2007 -0600, you wrote:
> >     >> The default storage doesn't support multiple writers to the 
> database.
> >
> >     Tom> I take this to mean that perhaps I was training on some messages
> >     Tom> while my email client was open and actively updating the
> >     Tom> database... is that what this might mean?
> >
> >Yup.  If you're using the pop3 proxy why would your email client be updating
> >the database?
>
>Well, what I meant to say is that the email client initiated a mail
>download, causing the proxy to update the db.
>
>
> >     >> What version of SpamBayes are you running?  I thought the latest
> >     >> version had zodb and zeo options.
> >
> >     Tom> Pop3 proxy version is 1.0.4.
> >
> >I just rummaged through the change log in the source.  It appears that the
> >zodb/zeo support is new in 1.1.  You can try 1.1a2 or 1.1a3, the latest
> >versions.  Zodb storage is the default since 1.1a2 was released last April.
> >We've been much too long in alpha test for 1.1, but we collectively are
> >short on time.  If you decide to upgrade your feedback would be much
> >appreciated.  Given that your current database is corrupt I'd just toss it
> >instead of trying to convert it from dbm to zodb.
>
>Ok, thanks. I wasn't aware that there was a 1.1 alpha out there yet. How
>dangerous is it to run 1.1a3?
>
>Do either dbm or zodb require other support, e.g. other packages I need to
>download and install?
>
> >Skip
>
>
>[Writers] From the point of view of literature Mr. Kipling is a
>genius who drops his aspirates. From the point of view of life, he is
>a reporter who knows vulgarity better than any one has ever known it. -
>-Oscar Wilde
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>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SpamBayes at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


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talked  with the best people, and I can assure you that data
processing is a fad that won't last out the year."  --The editor in
charge of business books for Prentice Hall, 1957.
--... ...--  -.. .  -. ----. --.- --.- -...
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"HEY YOU" (loud shouting)  WEB ADDRESS http//www.mixweb.com/tpeters
43? 7' 17.2" N by 88? 6' 28.9" W,  Elevation 815',  Grid Square EN53wc
WAN/LAN/Telcom Analyst, Tech Writer, MCP, CCNA, Registered Linux User 385531




From dave at boost-consulting.com  Sun Feb  4 04:00:38 2007
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 22:00:38 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] lots of unsures, heavily biased towards spam
References: <87zm7vvt81.fsf@valverde.peloton>
	<MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIEPBOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
Message-ID: <87odoawrs9.fsf@valverde.peloton>

"Seth Goodman" <sethg at goodmanassociates.com> writes:

> spambayes-bounces at python.org <> wrote on Saturday, February 03, 2007
> 3:15 PM -0600:
>
>> I'm getting what the title says.  I very rarely see ham classified as
>> unsure, and I get a few hundred unsures per day.  I keep training on
>> the unsures, which means my database accumulates lots more spam than
>> ham over time.  Is there anything I can do to help reduce the number
>> of messages classified as unsure without hurting Spambayes' ability to
>> correctly recognize ham?
>
> If your training set has much more spam than ham, you can train on ham
> that already scores properly.  

That'll help?  Great; it's easy enough.

> Whether you choose ham that scores very low already (typical ham) or
> the highest scoring ham (unusual ham) is your preference.

Are you suggesting that it makes no difference?

> If you use the Outlook plugin, 

No offense to all the Outlook users out there, but I avoid it like the
plague.  I'm using sb_imapfilter and doing the filtering server-side.

> just move the ham you want to train on to the unsure folder and tell
> Spambayes it's not spam.  How much trained ham/spam imbalance is too
> much is also up for debate.  Some people have reported good results
> with 5:1 and even 10:1 imbalance, while others do poorly under those
> conditions.  

Sounds pretty indefinite.  What's poorly mean?

> I try to avoid mine going further than 2:1 and train on
> my highest scoring ham to fix it.  This seems to work better for me
> than training only on unsures.

I don't get nearly enough unsures that are ham to correct the
imbalance that way.

> Another underappreciated issue with all self-learning classifiers is
> that they are very sensitive to training mistakes.  Training a couple of
> messages in the wrong category can really change the outcome, 

I've noticed.

> and the Outlook plugin doesn't tell you which messages are trained
> and whether you trained them as ham or spam.

Fortunately my server-side scheme tells me that easily enough.

> You have to figure this out indirectly, usually by rescoring all
> your messages and looking for obvious errors.  With a large set of
> messages, the likelihood of spotting a training mistake goes down.
> Fortunately, it's not hard to start from scratch, so this is a
> reasonable thing to try if things are not working as well as they
> should.
>
> Please let us know what you try, what helps and what doesn't.

I will, but aren't you afraid there are just too many levers to pull,
what with all the configuration options and legit approaches to
training?  Seems like it would be hard to learn much from user
feedback.

Thanks,

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com


From sethg at goodmanassociates.com  Sun Feb  4 06:10:57 2007
From: sethg at goodmanassociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 23:10:57 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] lots of unsures, heavily biased towards spam
In-Reply-To: <87odoawrs9.fsf@valverde.peloton>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEPMOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>

David Abrahams wrote on Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:01 PM -0600:

> "Seth Goodman" <sethg at goodmanassociates.com> writes:
>
> > If your training set has much more spam than ham, you can train on
> > ham that already scores properly.
>
> That'll help?  Great; it's easy enough.

There is anecdotal evidence that this helps, as well a few systems where
it doesn't seem to matter.  If Spambayes is not classifying well enough,
this is a good thing to try.


>
> > Whether you choose ham that scores very low already (typical ham) or
> > the highest scoring ham (unusual ham) is your preference.
>
> Are you suggesting that it makes no difference?

Not at all ... only that no one can tell you for sure which is better
for your own mail flow.  My preference for adding ham to a training set
is to pick the highest scoring ham and train on a few at a time,
rescoring the ham folder after training each new group.  There are a lot
of different approaches, and there hasn't been a clear winner that works
better on everyone's mail flow.


>
> > If you use the Outlook plugin,
>
> No offense to all the Outlook users out there, but I avoid it like the
> plague.  I'm using sb_imapfilter and doing the filtering server-side.

No offense taken.  This is a public mailing list for a spam filtering
program with a specific version for Outlook.  How to use it with Outlook
is of interest to a lot of readers.


>
> > just move the ham you want to train on to the unsure folder and tell
> > Spambayes it's not spam.  How much trained ham/spam imbalance is too
> > much is also up for debate.  Some people have reported good results
> > with 5:1 and even 10:1 imbalance, while others do poorly under those
> > conditions.
>
> Sounds pretty indefinite.  What's poorly mean?

It's deliberately indefinite, as results are variable.  I can tell you
that my setup has been operating at around 5% unsures, 0.5% false
negatives (spam in the inbox) and perhaps one false positive (ham in the
spam folder) per year for a long time.  This seems to be typical, though
0.1% false positives might be more common.  My current training set has
around 250 ham and 500 spam.  What kind of performance do you see?


>
> > I try to avoid mine going further than 2:1 and train on
> > my highest scoring ham to fix it.  This seems to work better for me
> > than training only on unsures.
>
> I don't get nearly enough unsures that are ham to correct the
> imbalance that way.

The strategy you imply is train on all unsures, which happens to be the
method the Outlook plugin is based on.  This is because it is easy to
understand and generally works well.  One problem is that over time,
train on unsures tends to result in a training set that has a lot more
spam than ham, and this sometimes causes the classifier to function
poorly (more weasel words).  If that is your problem, you need to train
on additional ham that already classifies correctly.  The only way you
can tell if that's your problem is to train on more ham and see if that
helps.


> > Please let us know what you try, what helps and what doesn't.
>
> I will, but aren't you afraid there are just too many levers to pull,
> what with all the configuration options and legit approaches to
> training?  Seems like it would be hard to learn much from user
> feedback.

There are quite a few variables, and I appreciate your willingness to
report back.  The developers do read this list, and your results will be
noted.  As far as what is learned from whom, there has been a lot of
careful testing by a lot of people using a purpose built testing system,
but it's good to continue to do reality checks.  If what you report
reinforces the current view, that's good news.  If there are persistent
reports where it doesn't agree, then there is something to look at.  So
yes, end user feedback is very helpful.

--
Seth Goodman


From skip at pobox.com  Sun Feb  4 16:10:58 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 09:10:58 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] lots of unsures, heavily biased towards spam
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEPMOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
References: <87odoawrs9.fsf@valverde.peloton>
	<MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEPMOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
Message-ID: <17861.63362.804153.98071@montanaro.dyndns.org>

    >> > If your training set has much more spam than ham, you can train on
    >> > ham that already scores properly.
    >> 
    >> That'll help?  Great; it's easy enough.

    Seth> There is anecdotal evidence that this helps, as well a few systems
    Seth> where it doesn't seem to matter.  If Spambayes is not classifying
    Seth> well enough, this is a good thing to try.

If there's any possibility you've made a training mistake (training ham as
spam or vice versa), I'd just empty out your training database and start
from scratch.  If the interface you're using allows you to delete trained
mails you could also try deleting a bunch of old mails you classified as
spam.

Skip

From kvacek at ameritech.net  Sun Feb  4 16:09:12 2007
From: kvacek at ameritech.net (Karl Vacek)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 09:09:12 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy: Can I delete caches?
Message-ID: <000c01c7486e$6eb77df0$4601a8c0@KARL>

I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0.4 (March 2005) (binary), with version 2.3.5 (#62, Feb  8 2005, 16:23:02) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service Pack 2).  I have trained 2288 ham and 5045 spam.

The problem I am having is that there are five virus-infected messages that my AV software just identified, stored in the SPAM cache.  Do I need to retain the various caches as reference for SpamBayes, or can I periodically delete the caches without losing training information ?

Thanks!
Karl Vacek
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From dave at boost-consulting.com  Sun Feb  4 17:33:37 2007
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 11:33:37 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] lots of unsures, heavily biased towards spam
In-Reply-To: <17861.63362.804153.98071@montanaro.dyndns.org> (skip@pobox.com's
	message of "Sun\, 4 Feb 2007 09\:10\:58 -0600")
References: <87odoawrs9.fsf@valverde.peloton>
	<MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEPMOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
	<17861.63362.804153.98071@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <87bqk9zxum.fsf@valverde.peloton>

skip at pobox.com writes:

>     >> > If your training set has much more spam than ham, you can train on
>     >> > ham that already scores properly.
>     >> 
>     >> That'll help?  Great; it's easy enough.
>
>     Seth> There is anecdotal evidence that this helps, as well a few systems
>     Seth> where it doesn't seem to matter.  If Spambayes is not classifying
>     Seth> well enough, this is a good thing to try.
>
> If there's any possibility you've made a training mistake (training ham as
> spam or vice versa), 

Of course there's always the possibility, but...

> I'd just empty out your training database and start
> from scratch.  

I did that for the spam training folder a few days ago, reviewed
all the training ham to make sure it was legit, then regenerated my
database.  Also I re-reviewed my training ham last night.  So I think
I'm in pretty good shape from that perspective.

I've done the /whole/ process (both ham and spam) from scratch several
times in the past; it doesn't cause _too_ much disruption and I'm
willing to do it again if necessary.  However, I'd rather better
understand what's going on right now and how to fix it, since I'm sure
to find myself in this situation again.

> If the interface you're using allows you to delete trained mails you
> could also try deleting a bunch of old mails you classified as spam.

It does, but I have to confess I don't really understand the
implications of doing so.  My setup is as follows:

- imap
- ham-training and spam-training folders
- server-side sb_imapfilter trains hourly on the content of these folders

I know spambayes keeps a database; when I delete already-trained
emails from my xxx-training folders does it forget everything about
those messages and rebuild the database using the other messages as
though from scratch, or is some of the information about those deleted
messages retained?

Thanks,

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com

From dave at boost-consulting.com  Sun Feb  4 18:13:47 2007
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 12:13:47 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] lots of unsures, heavily biased towards spam
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEPMOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com> (Seth
	Goodman's message of "Sat\, 3 Feb 2007 23\:10\:57 -0600")
References: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEPMOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
Message-ID: <873b5lzvzo.fsf@valverde.peloton>

"Seth Goodman" <sethg at goodmanassociates.com> writes:

> David Abrahams wrote on Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:01 PM -0600:
>
>> "Seth Goodman" <sethg at goodmanassociates.com> writes:
>>
>> > If your training set has much more spam than ham, you can train on
>> > ham that already scores properly.
>>
>> That'll help?  Great; it's easy enough.
>
> There is anecdotal evidence that this helps, as well a few systems where
> it doesn't seem to matter.  If Spambayes is not classifying well enough,
> this is a good thing to try.

Done, last night.

>> > Whether you choose ham that scores very low already (typical ham) or
>> > the highest scoring ham (unusual ham) is your preference.
>>
>> Are you suggesting that it makes no difference?
>
> Not at all ... only that no one can tell you for sure which is better
> for your own mail flow.  

:)

> My preference for adding ham to a training set is to pick the
> highest scoring ham 

You mean literally the ones with scores closest to 1.0?

> and train on a few at a time, rescoring the ham folder after
> training each new group.

Sorry, lots of questions:

  - what does "rescoring the ham folder" mean?  

   - When you say "ham folder" are you referring to a folder full of
     ham used for training?

   - If so, what difference would it make to allow Spambayes to adjust
     the scores on those messages?

   - When you "pick the highest scoring ham" are you picking from your
     general mail history or are you picking from the ham folder and
     training those mails again?

I think a glossary or terminology section would be a nice addition to
the spambayes site :)

> It's deliberately indefinite, as results are variable.  I can tell you
> that my setup has been operating at around 5% unsures, 0.5% false
> negatives (spam in the inbox) and perhaps one false positive (ham in the
> spam folder) per year for a long time.  This seems to be typical, though
> 0.1% false positives might be more common.  My current training set has
> around 250 ham and 500 spam.  What kind of performance do you see?

Well, I haven't been measuring carefully, unfortunately.  I just have
a feeling that I could do better.  After balancing ham and spam last
night I woke up to 75 messages in my SPAMBOX all correctly identified
as spam, 20 messages (all spam) in my UNSUREBOX and and 7 new messages
in my INBOX, two of which were spam.  I have various server-side rules
that are filing some new messages in other mailboxes but from a casual
look it appears that none fell into those categories.  Just as for
you, Spambayes has for years been very good about not classifying ham
as spam.  However, it used to be that spam very rarely crept into my
INBOX whereas recently I have been getting 2-3 false negatives every
night.

>> > I try to avoid mine going further than 2:1 and train on
>> > my highest scoring ham to fix it.  This seems to work better for me
>> > than training only on unsures.
>>
>> I don't get nearly enough unsures that are ham to correct the
>> imbalance that way.
>
> The strategy you imply is train on all unsures

I don't quite do that; my spam training folder would be out of control
if I did.  But I am fairly indiscriminate about dumping unsure
messages into my spam training folder.  If I ever get ham classified
as unsure, I make sure to train on that.

> which happens to be the method the Outlook plugin is based on.  This
> is because it is easy to understand and generally works well.  One
> problem is that over time, train on unsures tends to result in a
> training set that has a lot more spam than ham, 

Right.

> and this sometimes causes the classifier to function poorly (more
> weasel words).

Another terminology gap.

> If that is your problem, you need to train on additional ham that
> already classifies correctly.  The only way you can tell if that's
> your problem is to train on more ham and see if that helps.

OK;  hard to tell yet.

>> > Please let us know what you try, what helps and what doesn't.
>>
>> I will, but aren't you afraid there are just too many levers to pull,
>> what with all the configuration options and legit approaches to
>> training?  Seems like it would be hard to learn much from user
>> feedback.
>
> There are quite a few variables, and I appreciate your willingness to
> report back.  

You're welcome.

> The developers do read this list, and your results will be
> noted.  As far as what is learned from whom, there has been a lot of
> careful testing by a lot of people using a purpose built testing system,
> but it's good to continue to do reality checks.  If what you report
> reinforces the current view, that's good news.  If there are persistent
> reports where it doesn't agree, then there is something to look at.  So
> yes, end user feedback is very helpful.

Great.  Another problem is that I don't have a rigorous way to measure
performance.  Any ideas?

Dreaming of a tool that can record my configuration changes, record
training records, and learn about misclassification based on the mails
I throw into the ham and spam training folders (looking at the
X-Spambayes-Classification header), so we can get a clearer picture of
what works...

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com

From skip at pobox.com  Sun Feb  4 20:21:47 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 13:21:47 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] lots of unsures, heavily biased towards spam
In-Reply-To: <87bqk9zxum.fsf@valverde.peloton>
References: <87odoawrs9.fsf@valverde.peloton>
	<MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEPMOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
	<17861.63362.804153.98071@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<87bqk9zxum.fsf@valverde.peloton>
Message-ID: <17862.12875.726779.420511@montanaro.dyndns.org>

    >> If the interface you're using allows you to delete trained mails you
    >> could also try deleting a bunch of old mails you classified as spam.

    Dave> It does, but I have to confess I don't really understand the
    Dave> implications of doing so.

I think most people agree that the nature of spam changes over time.  New
hosts are compromised, new spam techniques are developed, etc.  If you have
a database of 1000 spams and only 100 hams, it seems likely to me that the
later spams are more important as examples of the types of spams you're
likely to receive in the next few days.  Accordingly, when I find my
ham:spam ratio getting a bit out-of-whack, I generally throw out a few old
spams.

I know this won't help you with the imap filter, however...  I use the
train-to-exhaustion script in the contrib directory which helps keep my
ham:spam ratio tractable.  I have it train with a fixed ratio (right now, 2
spams to 1 ham) and have it train from newest to oldest messages.  Given a
pair of spam and ham mailboxes it thus reverses them then trains using 2
spam, 1 ham, 2 spam, 1 ham, ... until one mailbox is exhausted.  It ignores
any remaining messages in the other mailbox.  The cycle repeats for any
messages which weren't correctly scored on the last pass.  Once a message
scores correctly, it isn't considered again.  If a message scores correctly
the first time it's tossed out altogether.

Skip




From sethg at goodmanassociates.com  Sun Feb  4 23:21:30 2007
From: sethg at goodmanassociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:21:30 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] lots of unsures, heavily biased towards spam
In-Reply-To: <873b5lzvzo.fsf@valverde.peloton>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAOEBFOHAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>

David Abrahams wrote on Sunday, February 04, 2007 11:14 AM -0600:

> "Seth Goodman" <sethg at goodmanassociates.com> writes:
>
> > My preference for adding ham to a training set is to pick the
> > highest scoring ham
>
> You mean literally the ones with scores closest to 1.0?

Exactly.  This is the "worst scoring ham", and training on those
messages should allow future messages that use similar language to score
"better" as ham, i.e. a spam score closer to zero.


>
> > and train on a few at a time, rescoring the ham folder after
> > training each new group.
>
> Sorry, lots of questions:
>
>    - what does "rescoring the ham folder" mean?
>
>    - When you say "ham folder" are you referring to a folder full of
>      ham used for training?
>
>    - If so, what difference would it make to allow Spambayes to adjust
>      the scores on those messages?
>
>    - When you "pick the highest scoring ham" are you picking from your
>      general mail history or are you picking from the ham folder and
>      training those mails again?
>
> I think a glossary or terminology section would be a nice addition to
> the spambayes site :)

OK, I see where the confusion is coming from.  I use the Outlook plugin,
which operates differently from the web interface.

message corpus: all messages, whether trained or not

training set:   messages you have trained

cache:          messages in training set (sb_server only)

database:       list of all words (tokens) in trained messages,
                number of times each seen in ham versus spam

ham folder:     ham, whether trained or not

spam folder:    spam, whether trained or not

rescore:        classify messages to see the effect of
                training changes

high scoring ham:  ham with a high spam score, i.e. larger number

low scoring spam:  spam with a low spam score, i.e. smaller number


Here's some discussion on how these terms relate to training.  A simple
way to train Spambayes initially is to segregate a group of messages
into ham and spam folders, then train on all of it.  For ongoing
training, the simplest approach is to train on all errors and unsures.
This works well enough for many users, and this makes Spambayes
practical.

You can do somewhat better with more effort.  Training on a message
affects not only the classification of that message, but other messages
with similar language.  You can do just as well, or sometimes better, by
training on a subset of the available messages.  The catch is
identifying the right ones.

There has been a lot of discussion about "minimalist" training sets and
various methods to achieve them, but they all have one thing in common.
They train on a small number of messages, run the classifier on all
available messages and then decide which messages to train next.  How
you pick the messages to train, how many you train at a time and when
you stop describes the training method.

Skip described his "train to exhaustion" method in a separate message.
This is the most recent, and perhaps the best, in a long line of
minimalist training schemes.  It is an iterative procedure where you
train on the worst scoring ham and spam, in groups with a fixed ham/spam
ratio, then rescore all messages and iterate.  Some messages that were
similar to the ones you just trained now score better, and you don't
have to train on them.  You continue until all messages score correctly
or you die from exhaustion :)  You need to run that as a script, since
it requires training on some messages more than once, which you can't do
from the normal user interface.

The method I alluded to is called "non-edge".  You train on the worst
scoring ham and spam, also in groups with a fixed ham/spam ratio, then
rescore all messages and iterate.  You continue until all messages are
below some threshold, which is typically "tighter" than the ham/spam
thresholds for classification.  I use halfway between the ham\spam
thresholds and a perfect score (0.0 or 1.0), i.e. (ham threshold)/2,
1-((1-spam threshold)/2).  Aside from the minor difference in threshold
where you stop, the important difference from train to exhaustion is
that you never train on a message more than once, so it is possible to
do this manually, though quite grueling.  Train to exhaustion probably
performs better.  Both methods select the messages that the classifier
does the worst on for further training, so they tend reduce unsures.


>
> > It's deliberately indefinite, as results are variable.  I can tell
> > you that my setup has been operating at around 5% unsures, 0.5%
> > false negatives (spam in the inbox) and perhaps one false positive
> > (ham in the spam folder) per year for a long time.  This seems to
> > be typical, though 0.1% false positives might be more common.  My
> > current training set has around 250 ham and 500 spam.  What kind of
> > performance do you see?
>
> Well, I haven't been measuring carefully, unfortunately.  I just have
> a feeling that I could do better.  After balancing ham and spam last
> night I woke up to 75 messages in my SPAMBOX all correctly identified
> as spam, 20 messages (all spam) in my UNSUREBOX and and 7 new messages
> in my INBOX, two of which were spam.  I have various server-side rules
> that are filing some new messages in other mailboxes but from a casual
> look it appears that none fell into those categories.  Just as for
> you, Spambayes has for years been very good about not classifying ham
> as spam.  However, it used to be that spam very rarely crept into my
> INBOX whereas recently I have been getting 2-3 false negatives every
> night.

Your mail last night was (7-2)/(75+20+7)=5% ham, while my received
messages are around 60% ham, a ten-fold difference.  Of a total of
75+20+2=97 spam you received, 20/97=20% classified as unsure (about the
same as the percentage of your total mail flow).  The fact that you had
good performance for a long time but it recently got worse suggests a
change in mail flow, which could be image spam.  Could you peruse your
next batch of spam that classifies as unsure and estimate how many of
them are image spam?

Though this doesn't address why performance went down after a long time,
the training methods I mentioned above may reduce unsures.  Another
possibility is the ham/spam thresholds, but that also doesn't address
why performance is worse than it used to be.

Your false negative rate was 2/(75+20+7)=2%, though two messages is too
small a sample.


> > So yes, end user feedback is very helpful.
>
> Great.  Another problem is that I don't have a rigorous way to measure
> performance.  Any ideas?

There is a statistics page in the Spambayes manager of the Outlook
plugin that now gives most of this.  I don't know where this is located
in sb_server.


> Dreaming of a tool that can record my configuration changes, record
> training records, and learn about misclassification based on the mails
> I throw into the ham and spam training folders (looking at the
> X-Spambayes-Classification header), so we can get a clearer picture of
> what works...

The log file includes much of that.

--
Seth Goodman


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Feb  5 01:33:51 2007
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:33:51 +1100
Subject: [Spambayes] date for new release to handle image spam?
In-Reply-To: <17858.8948.637688.380426@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <09c701c748bd$4fb7e8a0$230a0a0a@enfoldsystems.local>

> If you run ocrad over some spam text images you can see what
> it generates.
> If it finds nothing, nothing comes out the back end.  If it
> sees something,
> it's almost certain to be some garbage text peculiar to it,
> unlikely to turn
> up in normal text.  For example, here's a pretty clean image:
>
>     http://www.webfast.com/~skip/bogus-5-3.png
>
> Here's what ocrad produces by default:
>
>     COULD THl_ BE THE NEXT IBM_
>     ALL _|___ _wow IWAl LllL |_ ABO_| lo EXPLODEl
>     WAIIW LllL p_ Ll_E A WAW_ _IARll__ WO_DA_ _EPIEWBER lll
>
>     IomO_n_ __m_ L |_IL IOWP_IER_ |_I (o_h__ OII LllL p_)
>     __o__ __mbol LllL
>     F_ld__ Ilo__ O Tl (_o s_/_ On F_ld__ Alon_|)
>     _ d__ |__o__ __
>     I____n_ R__lnO ___onO B__
>     \
>     ln _h_ Io____ ot _ W___. LllL W____ ______| ___nnlnO Wo___'
>
>     L ln___n__lon_| Anno_n___
>
>     On_lo__h(IW) _P_o_P__ TP_hnoloO_ b_
>     B_llP_ p_oo_ Da_a _P___|__ Ba_k_O_ and _P__o_P_
>     |__ ____ __n____lon p__Aqco_TM_/P__AID CO_TM_
>     _|__a Po__ablP wloh _OPPd _olld __a_P D_|_P TP_hnoloO_
>     _h_ W___oOoll_. _hP Wo_ld _ _|___ _g laO_oO ComOrfP_
>     _Pa___lnO W_ldla _ Q_a_ll TP_hnoloO_
>     \
>     L ln___n__lon_| _IOn_ _4 _W E__oO__n Dl___lb__lon AO___m_n_
>
>     Th_ b_Pmo__ __PO b_wa_d _a__|_al _Pn___P |_ amonO o_hP_ p__|__|_P
>     dl___lb__lon aO_PPmPn__ ____Pn_|_ _ndP_ nPOo_la_lon ?_
> _P_P_al addl_lonal
>     hlOh O_ofi_ _POlon_ and _PO_P_Pn__ a kP_ ___a_POl_
> Oa__nP__hlO _ha_ _P___P_
>     l ln_P_na_lonal ComO__P__ wl_h ___|_ Olobal ma_kP_ _Pa_h
> and O_a_an_PPd
>     O_P _alP_ and lo_k_ _hP _omOan_ ln hlOhl_ dP_|_ablP
> p__|__|_P dl___lb__lon
>     ma_kP__
>
>     READ MORE ONLINE NOWl
>
>     OPPORl__||_ DOE_ _ol __OI_ o_ IWE DOOR E_ER_ DA_|
>     _o _A_E A Wl__IE IOODD LllL lo _O_R RADAR _ow A_D
>     WAIIW II _OARl

FWIW, I am getting *much* better results with gocr than ocrad.  gocr running
over that same image results in:

--- 8< ---
_        _ _   _
COULD THIS BE THE NEXT IBM?
ALL SIGNS SHOW THAT LITL IS ABOUT TO EXPLODE!

Company Name:
Stock Symbol:
Friday Close:    O.71 (Up 6O_a On Friday Alone!)
S-dayTarget:   $3
Current Rating:  Strong Buy
\

In the Course of a Week, LITL Makes Several Stunning Moves!

L International Announces:

- OneTouch(TM) Recovery Technology hr
Bullet-Proof Data Security Backups and Restores          ,
- Its Next-Generation PuRA_GO(TM)/PuRAID-GO(TM)
UItra-Portable High-Speed Solid State Drive Technology
. - the metropolis, the worldt First l9'' Laptop compWer
Featuring Nvidiat Quad-SLI Technology   _

\
L International Signs $4SM European Distribution Agreement

- T_s hremost step hrward tactical venture is, among other exclusive
distribution agreements, currently under negotiation gr several additional
high-pro_t regions and represents a key strategic partnership that secures
L International Computers with truly global market reach and guaranteed
pre-sales, and locks the company in highly desirable exclusive distribution
marke.ts.

--- >8 ----

Indeed, I have never seen an image that ocrad does better on than gocr.
FWIW, I'm currently 1/2 way through modifying spambayes to support either
ocrad or gocr, in the hope that using gocr will actually cause a noticible
reduction in image spam - unfortunately, using gocr I see no reduction at
all (which isn't to say there is not a small reduction - it just doesn't
"seem" to me like it has reduced).

Mark


From skip at pobox.com  Mon Feb  5 05:13:28 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:13:28 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] date for new release to handle image spam?
In-Reply-To: <09c701c748bd$4fb7e8a0$230a0a0a@enfoldsystems.local>
References: <17858.8948.637688.380426@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<09c701c748bd$4fb7e8a0$230a0a0a@enfoldsystems.local>
Message-ID: <17862.44776.173808.48725@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Mark> FWIW, I am getting *much* better results with gocr than ocrad.

When I looked at gocr I couldn't get it to generate anything useful.  It was
also a lot slower than ocrad.  I'll check out your patch in the next day or
two.

Skip

From jsp at PKC.com  Mon Feb  5 14:55:33 2007
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:55:33 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook-spambays problem
In-Reply-To: <320bbd230702030728p8ba2868xdb6128001a3d390e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <320bbd230702020629t6401831fo7e287fb36cfb30be@mail.gmail.com>
	<16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F905357789@PKCVT01.pkc.com>
	<320bbd230702030728p8ba2868xdb6128001a3d390e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F905357979@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

See
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/sp2mempr.
mspx for an explanation of DEP. The basics are easy enough to grasp, but
the details may make your head spin.
 
Replying to the list in case anyone else has suggestions.

________________________________

From: Gon [mailto:gonnyc at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:29 AM
To: Jesse Pelton
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] outlook-spambays problem


thanks for the good advice, but none of the solutions help...i could not
locate the ini file (could it have another name?), nor do i use PGP or
Athlon 64. Can anyone explain to the technologically challenged what DEP
stands for? the problem may be there, and i'd be happy to check.. 
 
thanks,
Gon
 
On 2/2/07, Jesse Pelton <jsp at pkc.com> wrote: 

	There's a message thread in the archive that may help, though
your circumstances are different. See
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2003-November/009604.html.
	 
	If you're using the PGP freeware plugin for Outlook, see
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/apps/outlook/bugs.html#pgp-addin-causes
-crashes.
	 
	And maybe the following is relevant:
http://www.mail-archive.com/spambayes-dev at python.org/msg00527.html.
	 
	I'm grasping at straws (provided by a Google search for
"spambayes crashes outlook") here. If none of these suggestions help,
you could try the search yourself to see if any of the bazillion or so
other results are helpful. 

________________________________

	From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:
spambayes-bounces at python.org <mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org> ] On
Behalf Of Gon
	Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:29 AM
	To: SpamBayes at python.org
	Subject: [Spambayes] outlook-spambays problem
	
	 
	
	I posted a message on the subscription list a while ago and
received no response....
	I have been using SpamBayes with my outlook for months with no
problem and was very pleased by its operation. A while ago the problem
bega - any click on SpamBayes buttins - "delete as spam" or "spambayes
manager" prompts outlook to crash. I don't receive any error messages
except "outlook has encountered a problem and has to shut down". 
	I am using Windown XP and outlook 2003.
	 
	Please help!
	 
	Gon Kafri
	Parents Circle
	gonnyc at gmail.com


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From dave at boost-consulting.com  Mon Feb  5 16:27:25 2007
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:27:25 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] lots of unsures, heavily biased towards spam
References: <87odoawrs9.fsf@valverde.peloton>
	<MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEPMOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
	<17861.63362.804153.98071@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<87bqk9zxum.fsf@valverde.peloton>
	<17862.12875.726779.420511@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <87wt2wtyjm.fsf@valverde.peloton>

skip at pobox.com writes:

>     >> If the interface you're using allows you to delete trained mails you
>     >> could also try deleting a bunch of old mails you classified as spam.
>
>     Dave> It does, but I have to confess I don't really understand the
>     Dave> implications of doing so.
>
> I think most people agree that the nature of spam changes over time.

I know that; I meant the technical implications.  In particular,  I
asked:

>  > I know spambayes keeps a database; when I delete already-trained
>  > emails from my xxx-training folders does it forget everything
>  > about those messages and rebuild the database using the other
>  > messages as though from scratch, or is some of the information
>  > about those deleted messages retained?

> when I find my ham:spam ratio getting a bit out-of-whack, I
> generally throw out a few old spams.
>
> I know this won't help you with the imap filter, however...  

Why not?

> I use the train-to-exhaustion script in the contrib directory which
> helps keep my ham:spam ratio tractable.  I have it train with a
> fixed ratio (right now, 2 spams to 1 ham) and have it train from
> newest to oldest messages.  Given a pair of spam and ham mailboxes
> it thus reverses them then trains using 2 spam, 1 ham, 2 spam, 1
> ham, ... until one mailbox is exhausted.  It ignores any remaining
> messages in the other mailbox.  The cycle repeats for any messages
> which weren't correctly scored on the last pass.  Once a message
> scores correctly, it isn't considered again.  If a message scores
> correctly the first time it's tossed out altogether.

Can that procedure be applied to my IMAP folders?

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com


From skip at pobox.com  Mon Feb  5 16:43:56 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:43:56 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] lots of unsures, heavily biased towards spam
In-Reply-To: <87wt2wtyjm.fsf@valverde.peloton>
References: <87odoawrs9.fsf@valverde.peloton>
	<MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEPMOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
	<17861.63362.804153.98071@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<87bqk9zxum.fsf@valverde.peloton>
	<17862.12875.726779.420511@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<87wt2wtyjm.fsf@valverde.peloton>
Message-ID: <17863.20668.307059.141653@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Dave> I know that; I meant the technical implications.  In particular, I
    Dave> asked:

    >> > I know spambayes keeps a database; when I delete already-trained
    >> > emails from my xxx-training folders does it forget everything about
    >> > those messages and rebuild the database using the other messages as
    >> > though from scratch, or is some of the information about those
    >> > deleted messages retained?

Sorry.  Yes, when a message is "untrained" the database forgets about it
completely (message count is decremented, all token counts adjusted down).

    >> I know this won't help you with the imap filter, however...  

    Dave> Why not?

I don't use the imap filter.  I presume it has its own way of managing your
hams and spams.

    >> I use the train-to-exhaustion script in the contrib directory which
    >> helps keep my ham:spam ratio tractable....

    Dave> Can that procedure be applied to my IMAP folders?

In theory I suppose it can.  The ham and spam mailboxes are opened using
mboxutils.getmbox() which presumes to be fairly format agnostic but I don't
know if it will work with IMAP folders.  I see no mention of IMAP at all in
mboxutils.py.  I suppose this might be a case of "patches cheerfully
accepted". :-)

Skip

From dave at boost-consulting.com  Mon Feb  5 17:35:33 2007
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:35:33 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] lots of unsures, heavily biased towards spam
In-Reply-To: <17863.20668.307059.141653@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	(skip@pobox.com's message of "Mon\, 5 Feb 2007 09\:43\:56 -0600")
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	<MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEPMOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
	<17861.63362.804153.98071@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<87bqk9zxum.fsf@valverde.peloton>
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skip at pobox.com writes:

>     Dave> I know that; I meant the technical implications.  In particular, I
>     Dave> asked:
>
>     >> > I know spambayes keeps a database; when I delete already-trained
>     >> > emails from my xxx-training folders does it forget everything about
>     >> > those messages and rebuild the database using the other messages as
>     >> > though from scratch, or is some of the information about those
>     >> > deleted messages retained?
>
> Sorry.  Yes, when a message is "untrained" the database forgets about it
> completely (message count is decremented, all token counts adjusted
> down).

And deleting a messgae from the training set will cause it to be
"untrained" at the next training?

>
>     >> I know this won't help you with the imap filter, however...  
>
>     Dave> Why not?
>
> I don't use the imap filter.  I presume it has its own way of managing your
> hams and spams.

It doesn't sound different to me.  There's a ham training mailbox and
a spam training mailbox.

>     >> I use the train-to-exhaustion script in the contrib directory which
>     >> helps keep my ham:spam ratio tractable....
>
>     Dave> Can that procedure be applied to my IMAP folders?
>
> In theory I suppose it can.  The ham and spam mailboxes are opened using
> mboxutils.getmbox() which presumes to be fairly format agnostic but I don't
> know if it will work with IMAP folders.  I see no mention of IMAP at all in
> mboxutils.py.  I suppose this might be a case of "patches cheerfully
> accepted". :-)

:/

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com

From skip at pobox.com  Mon Feb  5 18:06:43 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:06:43 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] lots of unsures, heavily biased towards spam
In-Reply-To: <87d54otve2.fsf@valverde.peloton>
References: <87odoawrs9.fsf@valverde.peloton>
	<MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEPMOGAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
	<17861.63362.804153.98071@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<87bqk9zxum.fsf@valverde.peloton>
	<17862.12875.726779.420511@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<87wt2wtyjm.fsf@valverde.peloton>
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	<87d54otve2.fsf@valverde.peloton>
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    Dave> And deleting a messgae from the training set will cause it to be
    Dave> "untrained" at the next training?

If you retrain from scratch (as my train-to-exhaustion script does), it's a
non-issue.  If you use some sort of incremental training mechanism then the
message won't be there to be tokenized (so it won't know what token counts
to decrement).

Skip

From kris at bookpeddler.us  Mon Feb  5 17:30:32 2007
From: kris at bookpeddler.us (Kris & Judy Wilcox)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:30:32 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes stopped working
Message-ID: <00f201c74942$f4bdb110$6efea8c0@BP1>

I have been using Spambayes for the past year. It has worked great and I
love the program. However, for some reason it has stopped working. I am
running outlook 2003 in windows XP pro. I have tried to uninstall the
program and reinstall. I've downloaded the most current version. But the
result is always the same. It shows the toolbar in outlook but it doesn't do
anything. Can you help me with this problem?

Kris Wiilcox

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From macbee_works at sales.la  Mon Feb  5 18:08:13 2007
From: macbee_works at sales.la (Mac Bee ArtWorks)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:08:13 +0000
Subject: [Spambayes] Part Time Job Offer
Message-ID: <E1HE7K9-000Hyq-7K@plato.arielhost.com>

MAC BEE ARTWORKS
23 Hay market,
London, SW1Y 4DG
8184593222

My name is  Jackson Sheriff, Chief Executive Officer for MAC BEE ARTWORKS 
LIMITED. The sales of my Artworks is limited to Europe until recent 
that i intend to expand to the United states.
I've been selling my products for the past 7 years and lately facing 
serious difficulties when it comes to selling the products to 
Americans because they are always offering to pay with a US MONEY 
ORDERS,CHECKS or BANK WIRE which is difficult to cash here as it takes several 
weeks before it clears . In line to this, i'm looking for a 
representative in the United states who will be working for me as a 
partime worker and we'll be willing to pay him/her 5-10% of every 
transaction, which would not affect your present state of work.
I need an agent who is very responsible, trustworthy and reliable in 
other to receive the payment (that is MONEY ORDERS,CHECKS,BANK WIRE) from my 
clients, then get it cashed and deduct his/her percentage thereafter 
and wire the balance(in cash) back to any of my accountants/lawyers 
in my regional warehouses. The MONEY ORDERS/CHECKS will be made out 
in your name and sent to you via delivery courier services. As we 
both know that there is a problem getting someone that is really 
capable and trustworthy for this offer but surely i have my way of 
getting anyone that tries to get away with company's money.
This offer is not going to cost you any amount because all you need to do 
is to receive the payments from my clients, get it cashed, deduct 
your percentage and send the balance(in cash) to my 
accountants/lawyers via WESTERN UNION MONEY TRANSFER. All required 
charges for the transfers are to be deducted from the money.
If you're interested, kindly get back to me ASAP via this 
email......."macbee_works at sales.la" so that i can feed you with 
more informations about the Job.
Looking forward to your response.

Yours Faithfully,
Jackson Sheriff




From smokstad4 at earthlink.net  Tue Feb  6 02:00:05 2007
From: smokstad4 at earthlink.net (Christi)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:00:05 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes]  Re: Mail Delivery (failure
Message-ID: <000601c7498a$24a1da90$0202a8c0@Unity>

My old email address is how you keep looking up my account. I no longer have that account . My old email address is  smokstad4 at ileia.com , my new email address is smokstad4 at earthlink.net . I don't remember my password or username, and can't figure out how to fix this. I can't check my itinerary and I'm frustrated. Please Help Me !!!! 
                       Sincerely, Christi Smokstad
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From skip at pobox.com  Tue Feb  6 02:29:47 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:29:47 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Mail Delivery (failure
In-Reply-To: <000601c7498a$24a1da90$0202a8c0@Unity>
References: <000601c7498a$24a1da90$0202a8c0@Unity>
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    Christi> My old email address is how you keep looking up my account. I
    Christi> no longer have that account . My old email address is
    Christi> smokstad4 at ileia.com , my new email address is
    Christi> smokstad4 at earthlink.net . I don't remember my password or
    Christi> username, and can't figure out how to fix this. I can't check
    Christi> my itinerary and I'm frustrated. Please Help Me !!!!

    Christi>                        Sincerely, Christi Smokstad
    Christi> _______________________________________________
    Christi> SpamBayes at python.org
    Christi> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
    Christi> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

Christi,

Go to the mailman URL at the bottom of this mail.  Scroll to the bottom and
follow the directions to retrieve your password.  Then you can log in and
change your email address.

Skip


From amedee at amedee.be  Tue Feb  6 09:30:17 2007
From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:30:17 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Spambayes] enabling ocr capabilities of Spambayes on Windows
Message-ID: <28754.194.7.237.138.1170750617.squirrel@amedee.be>

I am using Spambayes 1.1a3.
I am using Outlook 2003 in an Exchange 2003 environment.
I am using the Outlook plugin of Spambayes.
I have configured Outlook to show the spam score.
I have downloaded the compiled ocrad.exe and copied it to the
Windows-directory.
I have downloaded and installed Python 2.5.
I have downloaded and installed PIL for Python 2.5
I have created a file "default_bayes_customize.ini" in the Spambayes data
directory (c:\documents and settings\amedee.van.gasse\application
data\spambayes).
I have put the following lines in default_bayes_customize.ini:

[Tokenizer]
x-crack_images: True
x-fancy_url_recognition: True
x-image_size: True
x-lookup_ip: False
x-pick_apart_urls: True
x-reduce_habeas_headers: False
x-search_for_habeas_headers: False
x-short_runs: False

[URLRetriever]
x-cache_directory: url-cache
x-cache_expiry_days: 7
x-only_slurp_base: True
x-slurp_urls: True
x-web_prefix:

I have restarted Outlook.
I have _not_ deleted my training database.
I have rescored all messages in a certain folder.
I have looked at the spam clues of several messages.
I have seen no indication that Spambayes is working differently now, at
least I see no sign of image reading.


What else must I do to enable ocr in Spambayes?

-- 
Amedee Van Gasse
amedee at amedee.be


From skip at pobox.com  Tue Feb  6 16:12:48 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:12:48 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] enabling ocr capabilities of Spambayes on Windows
In-Reply-To: <28754.194.7.237.138.1170750617.squirrel@amedee.be>
References: <28754.194.7.237.138.1170750617.squirrel@amedee.be>
Message-ID: <17864.39664.15956.203400@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Amedee> I have restarted Outlook.
    Amedee> I have _not_ deleted my training database.
    Amedee> I have rescored all messages in a certain folder.
    Amedee> I have looked at the spam clues of several messages.
    Amedee> I have seen no indication that Spambayes is working differently now, at
    Amedee> least I see no sign of image reading.

    Amedee> What else must I do to enable ocr in Spambayes?

Depending on the nature of the messages containing image spam, enabling ocr
may have had no effect.  The obfuscation applied to image spam now (splotchy
backgrounds, multi-colored text, etc) frequently makes the text invisible to
the ocr stuff in 1.1a3.  I've worked on some enhancements (not yet checked
in) and Mark Hammond has some changes to allow gocr as an alternative to
ocrad as the ocr engine.  Both seem to help, but we've not done a release
yet.

Skip


From dave at boost-consulting.com  Tue Feb  6 18:04:35 2007
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:04:35 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Ping: subject header ignored? [was: Not mining my
	Subject headers?]
References: <87irejzd70.fsf@valverde.peloton>
Message-ID: <87odo7rzdo.fsf@valverde.peloton>

David Abrahams <dave at boost-consulting.com> writes:

> How is it that for a message with 
>
>   Subject: Huge online pharmacy
>
> Spambayes isn't using "pharmacy" as a classification token?  I can't
> find a setting that will make it do that, either.

Am I just misinterpreting what I'm seeing, or does SB really ignore
the Subject header?

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com


From sethg at goodmanassociates.com  Tue Feb  6 19:03:09 2007
From: sethg at goodmanassociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:03:09 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Ping: subject header ignored? [was: Not mining
	mySubject headers?]
In-Reply-To: <87odo7rzdo.fsf@valverde.peloton>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEGAOHAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>

David Abrahams wrote on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:05 AM -0600:

> David Abrahams <dave at boost-consulting.com> writes:
>
> > How is it that for a message with
> >
> >   Subject: Huge online pharmacy
> >
> > Spambayes isn't using "pharmacy" as a classification token?  I can't
> > find a setting that will make it do that, either.
>
> Am I just misinterpreting what I'm seeing, or does SB really ignore
> the Subject header?

The subject header produces tokens that start with the string
"subject:".  When looking at the list of clues Spambayes finds, you
first see the list of "significant tokens", which means up to 150 (?)
tokens that score below 0.4 and above 0.6.  The complete list is shown
as "all message tokens".  It a token appears in the "all message tokens"
list but not in the "significant token" list, it's probably because the
token scored between 0.4 and 0.6, which means the statistics do not
indicate ham or spam.

Here's what Spambayes shows for your message that I am responding to
(message itself removed for brevity).  Notice there are 101 tokens, of
which 32 are significant for my database.  You can see the gap in
significant clues between 0.4 and 0.6, which is apparently 69 tokens.
For this version of Spambayes (1.1a3), you should get the same number of
total tokens.  How many significant tokens you get and which ones are
significant depends on the messages you trained, so those are generally
different between users.

In particular, there are tokens for both of the following:

pharmacy
"pharmacy"

but only the one without the quotes was significant given the messages I
trained.  It turns out to be a very weak ham clue for me at this point
in time:  only one ham and one spam trained that included this token.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Combined Score: 1% (0.00962107)
Internal ham score (*H*): 0.981202
Internal spam score (*S*): 0.000443716

# ham trained on: 258
# spam trained on: 480

The last time this message was classified or trained:
This message had not been filtered.
This message had not been trained.
32 Significant Tokens
token                               spamprob         #ham  #spam
'subject:] '                        0.0348837           6      0
'spambayes'                         0.0918367           2      0
'header:Errors-To:1'                0.134887            8      2
'url:org'                           0.141459           63     19
'subject:'                          0.142075           14      4
'either.'                           0.155172            1      0
'email name:spambayes'              0.155172            1      0
'header:Received:10'                0.155172            1      0
'subject:Not'                       0.155172            1      0
'subject:Spambayes'                 0.155172            1      0
'url:faq'                           0.155172            1      0
'url:listinfo'                      0.155172            1      0
'url:mailman'                       0.155172            1      0
'writes:'                           0.155172            1      0
'david'                             0.200697            7      3
'subject:: '                        0.24406            52     31
'url:html'                          0.262771           32     21
'sender:no real name:2**0'          0.273975            6      4
'header:Mime-Version:1'             0.276019           44     31
'message'                           0.288541           44     33
'using'                             0.305479           32     26
"i'm"                               0.350935           25     25
"isn't"                             0.353262            9      9
'setting'                           0.360087            3      3
"can't"                             0.372129           11     12
'pharmacy'                          0.377219            1      1
'make'                              0.394              53     64
'header:User-Agent:1'               0.636176           15     49
'huge'                              0.767471            3     19
'subject:was'                       0.844828            0      1
'skip:_ 40'                         0.908163            0      2
'faq'                               0.934783            0      3


All Message Tokens
101 unique tokens

'"pharmacy"'
'abrahams'
'asking:'
'before'
'boost'
"can't"
'cc:none'
'check'
'consulting'
'content-type:text/plain'
'dave'
'david'
'does'
'either.'
'email addr:python.org'
'email name:spambayes'
'faq'
'find'
'for'
'from:addr:boost-consulting.com'
'from:addr:dave'
'from:name:david abrahams'
'header:Date:1'
'header:Errors-To:1'
'header:From:1'
'header:Message-ID:1'
'header:Mime-Version:1'
'header:Received:10'
'header:Return-Path:1'
'header:Subject:1'
'header:To:1'
'header:User-Agent:1'
'header:X-Complaints-To:1'
'header?'
'how'
'huge'
"i'm"
'ignore'
"isn't"
'just'
'make'
'message'
'message-id:@valverde.peloton'
'online'
'pharmacy'
'proto:http'
'really'
'reply-to:none'
'seeing,'
'sender:addr:python.org'
'sender:addr:spambayes-bounces'
'sender:no real name:2**0'
'setting'
'skip:_ 40'
'skip:c 10'
'skip:m 10'
'skip:w 20'
'spambayes'
'subject'
'subject:'
'subject: '
'subject: \n\t'
'subject:: '
'subject:? ['
'subject:?]'
'subject:Not'
'subject:Ping'
'subject:Spambayes'
'subject:Subject'
'subject:['
'subject:] '
'subject:header'
'subject:headers'
'subject:ignored'
'subject:mining'
'subject:subject'
'subject:was'
'that'
'that,'
'the'
'to:2**0'
'to:addr:python.org'
'to:addr:spambayes'
'to:no real name:2**0'
'token?'
'url:faq'
'url:html'
'url:listinfo'
'url:mail'
'url:mailman'
'url:net'
'url:org'
'url:python'
'url:sf'
'url:spambayes'
'using'
'what'
'will'
'with'
'writes:'
'x-mailer:none'


From dave at boost-consulting.com  Tue Feb  6 21:09:57 2007
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:09:57 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Ping: subject header ignored? [was: Not mining
	mySubject headers?]
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEGAOHAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com> (Seth
	Goodman's message of "Tue\, 6 Feb 2007 12\:03\:09 -0600")
References: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEGAOHAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
Message-ID: <87lkjbqc8a.fsf@valverde.peloton>

"Seth Goodman" <sethg at goodmanassociates.com> writes:

> David Abrahams wrote on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:05 AM -0600:
>
>> David Abrahams <dave at boost-consulting.com> writes:
>>
>> > How is it that for a message with
>> >
>> >   Subject: Huge online pharmacy
>> >
>> > Spambayes isn't using "pharmacy" as a classification token?  I can't
>> > find a setting that will make it do that, either.
>>
>> Am I just misinterpreting what I'm seeing, or does SB really ignore
>> the Subject header?
>
> The subject header produces tokens that start with the string
> "subject:".  When looking at the list of clues Spambayes finds, you
> first see the list of "significant tokens", which means up to 150 (?)
> tokens that score below 0.4 and above 0.6.  The complete list is shown
> as "all message tokens".  It a token appears in the "all message tokens"
> list but not in the "significant token" list, it's probably because the
> token scored between 0.4 and 0.6, which means the statistics do not
> indicate ham or spam.

I understand from the above that subject words are considered, but it
still seems to me that something must be wrong.  Subject lines
containing [spam] are invariably spam.  I have 12 messages that
have [spam] in the subject in my spam training folder and zero in my
ham training folder.  Yet messages with [spam] in the subject line are
commonly classified as ham or unsure.

When I ask sb_imapfilter about "[spam]" *or* "subject:[spam]" I get
nothing.  In fact, if I do a regex query for .*spam.*, I see:

Word           # Spam         # Ham          Probability
(spambayes     0              1              0.155172
spam?          0              2              0.091837
spam,          0              1              0.155172
spam.          14             12             0.506679
spam!          1              0              0.844828
*spam*         0              1              0.155172
subject:spam   13             0              0.983271
spamming?      1              0              0.844828
url:spamguard  13             0              0.983271
spamguard,     13             0              0.983271

which tells me that the tokenizer may be throwing out the brackets.
OK, I see that it's doing so on both ends (when training and when
classifying) so it's okay.

Well, I'm not sure why [spam] hasn't gained more significance, but I
guess I'll just keep training it.  Thanks, and sorry for the noise.

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com

From skip at pobox.com  Tue Feb  6 22:51:29 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:51:29 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Ping: subject header ignored? [was: Not mining
 mySubject headers?]
In-Reply-To: <87lkjbqc8a.fsf@valverde.peloton>
References: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEGAOHAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
	<87lkjbqc8a.fsf@valverde.peloton>
Message-ID: <17864.63585.446456.453636@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Dave> Well, I'm not sure why [spam] hasn't gained more significance, but
    Dave> I guess I'll just keep training it.  Thanks, and sorry for the
    Dave> noise.

While "spam" may well be a very spammy clue, it's just one clue.  If a
message you believe to be spam is incorrectly classified you need to look at
all the clues SpamBayes considered.

Skip

From sethg at goodmanassociates.com  Wed Feb  7 01:16:33 2007
From: sethg at goodmanassociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:16:33 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Ping: subject header ignored? [was: Not mining
	mySubject headers?]
In-Reply-To: <87lkjbqc8a.fsf@valverde.peloton>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAGEHEOHAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>

David Abrahams wrote on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 2:10 PM -0600:

> I understand from the above that subject words are considered, but it
> still seems to me that something must be wrong.

<...>

> Word           # Spam         # Ham          Probability

> spam.          14             12             0.506679

You can see why this clue does not affect message classification:  14
spam were trained with this token and 12 ham, and the spam probability
of the token is 0.51.

> subject:spam   13             0              0.983271

OTOH, the token spam in a message subject is a strong spam clue, as
you've trained 13 such messages as spam and none as ham.

> which tells me that the tokenizer may be throwing out the brackets.
> OK, I see that it's doing so on both ends (when training and when
> classifying) so it's okay.

The tokenizer does throw out the brackets, but it still shows the word
inside the brackets as a token.  I am guessing that it does not use the
token when you've told Spambayes to notate your subject line with that
word.  Any chance that's the case?

Assuming it's not that simple, send the set of spam clues for a message
with [spam] in the subject.

--
Seth Goodman


From kimklieger at tx.rr.com  Wed Feb  7 02:31:19 2007
From: kimklieger at tx.rr.com (Klieg)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:31:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes quit working and won't reinstall
In-Reply-To: <A3CEDB1D29DC6645B7D414994C34C1ED01BBF4@psion.prosol-inc.com>
References: <A3CEDB1D29DC6645B7D414994C34C1ED01BBF4@psion.prosol-inc.com>
Message-ID: <8838231.post@talk.nabble.com>


You have likely corrected this by now, but I encountered a similar
difficulty. SpamBayes quit working. The menu bar in Outlook still showed the
controls, however they did not respond. I tried re-installing the product
and it showed registered in the log, however still did not work.

I un-installed the product, deleted the menu from Outlook, then re-installed
the product.

It still did not work. WHen I tried to turn on the COMM addin in Outlook by
checking the addin under Tools > Options > Other > Advanced Options > Comm
Addins, still nothing. When going back into the Comm addins options, the
checkbox was un-checked.

Then I selected the Spambayes item in the Comm add-ins option window and
selected 'Remove'. I then selected 'Add' to add in the SpamBayes addin. In
the file dialogue box, you need to navigate to the addin under program files
> Spambayes > Bin > outlook_addin.dll.

The addin takes a little while to install at this point, then the Spambayes
menu items should show up.

You'll need to re-configure some of the Spambayes setup, then things should
be back in working order.


Norm Dingle wrote:
> 
> I am running Outlook 2003 and had Spambayes running fine.
> 
> All of a sudden it quit working. I have read the trouble shooting manual
> and
> nothing seems to work.
> 
> I have uninstalled Spambayes and reinstalled several times.
> 
>  
> 
> The log file says it is registered.
> 
>  
> 
> When I go to the Advanced options/Comm Addinns dialog Spambay show in the
> list but unchecked.
> 
> I check it and then restart Outlook. No Spambayes. The addin dialog then
> shows it unchecked again.
> 
>  
> 
> Right now I don?t have any other ideas about what to try.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Norm
> 
>  
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
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>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 

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From robert.rosoff at verizon.net  Fri Feb  9 18:41:10 2007
From: robert.rosoff at verizon.net (Robert Rosoff)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 12:41:10 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Help Request
Message-ID: <000901c74c71$7cdb7100$0201a8c0@OWNER84J1T8A8N>

I have installed Spambayes.  I am using outlook express.  I am on a Verizon FIOS connection.
I am using the SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0.4 (March 2005).

2 Questions
1.  My wife and I share the account so that message to both of us require screening.  I am the primary user.
2.  I dont know how to turn on the functionality of the program

I would appreciate the help

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From jsp at PKC.com  Fri Feb  9 18:57:19 2007
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:57:19 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Help Request
In-Reply-To: <000901c74c71$7cdb7100$0201a8c0@OWNER84J1T8A8N>
References: <000901c74c71$7cdb7100$0201a8c0@OWNER84J1T8A8N>
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9053CA2A7@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

Second question first: If you haven't seen
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-do-i-set-up-spambayes-and-
outlook-express, check it out. If you run into trouble, please give
detailed information about what you've done and what happened.
 
As for the first question, I don't use the either Outlook Express or the
version of SpamBayes that you're using, but you may need to repeat some
or all of the setup steps for each mail account. (I won't be offended if
someone who knows what they're talking about corrects me here...)

________________________________

From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
On Behalf Of Robert Rosoff
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 12:41 PM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Help Request


I have installed Spambayes.  I am using outlook express.  I am on a
Verizon FIOS connection.
I am using the SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0.4 (March 2005).
 
2 Questions
1.  My wife and I share the account so that message to both of us
require screening.  I am the primary user.
2.  I dont know how to turn on the functionality of the program
 
I would appreciate the help

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From jpitou at wanadoo.fr  Fri Feb  9 19:37:28 2007
From: jpitou at wanadoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_PITOU?=)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 22:37:28 +0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem
Message-ID: <001701c74c79$ab80fea0$0300a8c0@penultimax>

Hello,

I install Spambayes for the first time on my computer. And each time I try to receive my e-mail I can't receive more then one mail after it's always showing too long delay.
I've do the train things but it's always the same.
Can someone help me ?

Thx 
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From bishop at aeroprise.com  Sat Feb 10 00:26:04 2007
From: bishop at aeroprise.com (Peter Bishop)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:26:04 -0800
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem
In-Reply-To: <001701c74c79$ab80fea0$0300a8c0@penultimax>
Message-ID: <MAILp0Nll0BJm31utB300010ba1@mail.aeroprise.com>

Jerome,
 
I hope you have already tried everything from:
 
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-do-i-set-up-spambayes-and-out
look-express>
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-do-i-set-up-spambayes-and-outl
ook-express
 
It almost sounds as if there is one of these steps that is not quite right.
Check that you are installing the right version of SpamBayes for outlook
express.  The more you can tell us about what you are seeing in log files
and such will help our people understand where the problem is. The fact that
everything hangs almost suggests that one of the programs is waiting for
more input, or there may be an unexpected error occurring that is not being
responded to properly.

Peter Bishop 


  _____  

From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of J?r?me PITOU
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:37 AM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem
Importance: High



Hello,
 
I install Spambayes for the first time on my computer. And each time I try
to receive my e-mail I can't receive more then one mail after it's always
showing too long delay.
I've do the train things but it's always the same.
Can someone help me ?
 
Thx 
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From lewruss at juno.com  Sat Feb 10 00:52:33 2007
From: lewruss at juno.com (Lewis M Russakov)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:52:33 -0800
Subject: [Spambayes] Juno
Message-ID: <20070209.160339.1648.4.lewruss@juno.com>

Will your program work with Juno?

Lew Russakov
Huntington Beach, CA

From gilcarrick at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 17:50:37 2007
From: gilcarrick at gmail.com (Gil Carrick)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:50:37 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Add-in
Message-ID: <000301c74ec5$ee91b9c0$0400a8c0@Gils6240>

For security reasons I have enabled the hardware and software Data Execution Protection features on
my machine and in Windows XP pro. When I try to run Outlook it reports a "serious error" trying to
run the SpamBayes add-in and disables it. Any suggestions or a fix would be appreciated.

AGC

-- 
A. G. (Gil) Carrick, Director
The Museum at CSE 
Coach - ICPC Programming Team
University of Texas at Arlington
Department of Computer Science & Engineering
Box 19015, 471 S Cooper Street
Arlington, TX 76019
817-272-3620
http://www.cse.uta.edu/TheMuseum at CSE/
    Be A Maverick.


From jsp at PKC.com  Mon Feb 12 18:21:55 2007
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:21:55 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Add-in
In-Reply-To: <000301c74ec5$ee91b9c0$0400a8c0@Gils6240>
References: <000301c74ec5$ee91b9c0$0400a8c0@Gils6240>
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9053CA4A2@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

You've nailed the problem; SpamBayes requires that DEP be disabled for
Outlook.  You can leave it enabled for everything else, so your system's
security won't be greatly compromised.  

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
On Behalf Of Gil Carrick
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:51 AM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Add-in

For security reasons I have enabled the hardware and software Data
Execution Protection features on
my machine and in Windows XP pro. When I try to run Outlook it reports a
"serious error" trying to
run the SpamBayes add-in and disables it. Any suggestions or a fix would
be appreciated.

AGC

-- 
A. G. (Gil) Carrick, Director
The Museum at CSE 
Coach - ICPC Programming Team
University of Texas at Arlington
Department of Computer Science & Engineering
Box 19015, 471 S Cooper Street
Arlington, TX 76019
817-272-3620
http://www.cse.uta.edu/TheMuseum at CSE/
    Be A Maverick.

_______________________________________________
SpamBayes at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

From gcarrick at uta.edu  Mon Feb 12 20:24:11 2007
From: gcarrick at uta.edu (Gil Carrick)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:24:11 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Add-in
In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9053CA4A2@PKCVT01.pkc.com>
References: <000301c74ec5$ee91b9c0$0400a8c0@Gils6240>
	<16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9053CA4A2@PKCVT01.pkc.com>
Message-ID: <000001c74edb$5fe0a270$405e6b81@Gils6240>

OK. I was hoping to just be able to disable the dll, but that didn't work. Outlook is a pretty
tempting target & I would rather not leave it open.

Thanks,

Gil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Pelton [mailto:jsp at PKC.com] 
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:22 AM
> To: Gil Carrick; spambayes at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook Add-in
> 
> You've nailed the problem; SpamBayes requires that DEP be 
> disabled for Outlook.  You can leave it enabled for 
> everything else, so your system's security won't be greatly 
> compromised.  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces at python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
> On Behalf Of Gil Carrick
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:51 AM
> To: spambayes at python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Add-in
> 
> For security reasons I have enabled the hardware and software 
> Data Execution Protection features on my machine and in 
> Windows XP pro. When I try to run Outlook it reports a 
> "serious error" trying to run the SpamBayes add-in and 
> disables it. Any suggestions or a fix would be appreciated.
> 
> AGC
> 
> --
> A. G. (Gil) Carrick, Director
> The Museum at CSE
> Coach - ICPC Programming Team
> University of Texas at Arlington
> Department of Computer Science & Engineering Box 19015, 471 S 
> Cooper Street Arlington, TX 76019 817-272-3620 
> http://www.cse.uta.edu/TheMuseum at CSE/
>     Be A Maverick.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SpamBayes at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

From kreeser at regency-park.com  Tue Feb 13 18:08:55 2007
From: kreeser at regency-park.com (Kelli Reeser)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:08:55 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <BCB5F700F56F134F98D61B0329CE861E086430@server2.regency-park.com>

Need help....    SpamBayes Version 1.1a2, tried the newer version also,
same result.  Windows XP Pro, SP2.  We are getting the error about
initializing the SpamBayes addin...  Can you help?  The log file is
attached.

 

Please forward your response to jsmith at twiznc.com,

 

Thanks,

 

Jim Smith

Tech Wizards, on behalf of Regency Park Corporation

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From deeptigooriah at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 13 20:33:46 2007
From: deeptigooriah at yahoo.com (Deepti Gooriah)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:33:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Spambayes] problem with spambayes
Message-ID: <70814.34952.qm@web31204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello,
   
  I have downloaded spambayes onto my computer.  When I download my emails onto my outlook explorer, they disappear without me even seeing them.  Is there any way I can get these emails back?  I would like to restore all of these emails.  Also, I cannot seem to figure out how to change the configurations on spambayes.
   
  Please advise.
   
  Regards,
   
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From jsp at PKC.com  Tue Feb 13 21:04:11 2007
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:04:11 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] problem with spambayes
In-Reply-To: <70814.34952.qm@web31204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <70814.34952.qm@web31204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9053CA71B@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

What e-mail client are you using? "Outlook Explorer" is not one I
recognize; perhaps it's Outlook or Outlook Express? The difference is
important because despite the names Outlook and Outlook Express are
unrelated products, and the SpamBayes Outlook add-in operates
differently from other versions.

________________________________

From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
On Behalf Of Deepti Gooriah
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:34 PM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] problem with spambayes


Hello,
 
I have downloaded spambayes onto my computer.  When I download my emails
onto my outlook explorer, they disappear without me even seeing them.
Is there any way I can get these emails back?  I would like to restore
all of these emails.  Also, I cannot seem to figure out how to change
the configurations on spambayes.
 
Please advise.
 
Regards,
 
Deepti Gooriah

________________________________

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From jsp at PKC.com  Tue Feb 13 21:11:56 2007
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:11:56 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] problem with spambayes
In-Reply-To: <659190.79026.qm@web31211.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9053CA71B@PKCVT01.pkc.com>
	<659190.79026.qm@web31211.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9053CA71E@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

This FAQ may help:
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#some-of-my-mail-is-going-missi
ng.

________________________________

From: Deepti Gooriah [mailto:deeptigooriah at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 3:10 PM
To: Jesse Pelton
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] problem with spambayes


sorry, i meant outlook.

Jesse Pelton <jsp at PKC.com> wrote: 

	What e-mail client are you using? "Outlook Explorer" is not one
I recognize; perhaps it's Outlook or Outlook Express? The difference is
important because despite the names Outlook and Outlook Express are
unrelated products, and the SpamBayes Outlook add-in operates
differently from other versions.

________________________________

	From: spambayes-bounces at python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Deepti Gooriah
	Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:34 PM
	To: spambayes at python.org
	Subject: [Spambayes] problem with spambayes
	
	
	Hello,
	 
	I have downloaded spambayes onto my computer.  When I download
my emails onto my outlook explorer, they disappear without me even
seeing them.  Is there any way I can get these emails back?  I would
like to restore all of these emails.  Also, I cannot seem to figure out
how to change the configurations on spambayes.
	 
	Please advise.
	 
	Regards,
	 
	Deepti Gooriah
________________________________

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From Ingo at luederwald.de  Wed Feb 14 15:01:56 2007
From: Ingo at luederwald.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingo_L=FCderwald?=)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:01:56 +0100
Subject: [Spambayes] trouble shooting
Message-ID: <0ML25U-1HHKhu0lIX-0002Wt@mrelayeu.kundenserver.de>

Ladies and Gentlemen;

I am using SapmBayer 1.1a3 sucessfully since about one week.

The software moves spam suspects into the folder ?spam suspects?,

however this folder disappeared from the folder list.

I am using Outlook from Windos Office 2003 and Windows XP

 

with kind regards/mit freundlichen Gr?ssen

Prof. Dr. Ingo L?derwald

Stresemannstr. 50

88400 Biberach

phone +49 7351 29777

mobile +49 1520 3533350

email:  ingo at luederwald.de

 

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From Kathryn.Rowan at cusys.edu  Wed Feb 14 17:52:07 2007
From: Kathryn.Rowan at cusys.edu (Kathryn Rowan)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:52:07 -0700
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with SpamBayes
Message-ID: <5BE0C971616FA249969C861D2EC9FEC00E0CF2@ex2k3.ad.cusys.edu>

Hi,

 

I just got a new computer.  With my old computer, when I clicked either
"Delete as Spam" or "Recover from Spam", the message would be moved
immediately to the appropriate folder.  With my new computer, the
message doesn't move until I click off of it.  Can I get SpamBayes to go
back to the way it worked before?  

 

Thanks for you help.

 

Kathryn (Katie) Rowan

Lead Benefits Counselor

Payroll & Benefit Services

University of Colorado

303-735-5660

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From bob at bestbusinessassociates.com  Wed Feb 14 23:05:54 2007
From: bob at bestbusinessassociates.com (Bob Banasik)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:05:54 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] allow domain
Message-ID: <038f01c75084$4cae1250$020a0a0a@Enterprise>

Is there a way to set Spambayes to allow all mail from a particular domain?

 

Regards,

 

Bob Banasik, AInstIB

CEO

 

Adobe Systems

 

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com 

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From amedee at amedee.be  Thu Feb 15 00:17:49 2007
From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:17:49 +0100
Subject: [Spambayes] allow domain
In-Reply-To: <038f01c75084$4cae1250$020a0a0a@Enterprise>
References: <038f01c75084$4cae1250$020a0a0a@Enterprise>
Message-ID: <1171495069.28201.7.camel@saruman>

On wo, 2007-02-14 at 17:05 -0500, Bob Banasik wrote:
> Is there a way to set Spambayes to allow all mail from a particular
> domain?

No, except training all mail from that domain as ham.
See 
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-don-t-you-add-whitelisting-blacklisting-to-spambayes
for more info and why.

-- 
Amedee


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Feb 15 05:19:44 2007
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:19:44 +1100
Subject: [Spambayes] enabling ocr capabilities of Spambayes on Windows
In-Reply-To: <28754.194.7.237.138.1170750617.squirrel@amedee.be>
Message-ID: <04a601c750b8$862e3c10$060a0a0a@enfoldsystems.local>

> I am using Spambayes 1.1a3.
> I am using Outlook 2003 in an Exchange 2003 environment.
> I am using the Outlook plugin of Spambayes.
...
> What else must I do to enable ocr in Spambayes?

Work on OCR in the outlook plugin is still ongoing, and no binary releases
have been made with it enabled.  You must either run from source-code, or
wait for a new release (and unfortunately I've no idea when that will be)

Mark


From Amir_Katz at bmc.com  Thu Feb 15 15:38:19 2007
From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:38:19 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Add-in
References: <000301c74ec5$ee91b9c0$0400a8c0@Gils6240>
	<16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9053CA4A2@PKCVT01.pkc.com>
Message-ID: <F8B9B12641FB6B4FAC761BDEF9D63B040BFBDB8F@tlv-ex-01.adprod.bmc.com>

Just out of curiosity - does the DEP problem stem from SpamBayes itself
or from Outlook? 

-- Amir
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces at python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Pelton
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 19:22
> To: Gil Carrick; spambayes at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Outlook Add-in
> 
> You've nailed the problem; SpamBayes requires that DEP be disabled for
> Outlook.  You can leave it enabled for everything else, so 
> your system's
> security won't be greatly compromised.  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces at python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
> On Behalf Of Gil Carrick
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:51 AM
> To: spambayes at python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Add-in
> 
> For security reasons I have enabled the hardware and software Data
> Execution Protection features on
> my machine and in Windows XP pro. When I try to run Outlook 
> it reports a
> "serious error" trying to
> run the SpamBayes add-in and disables it. Any suggestions or 
> a fix would
> be appreciated.
> 
> AGC
> 
> -- 
> A. G. (Gil) Carrick, Director
> The Museum at CSE 
> Coach - ICPC Programming Team
> University of Texas at Arlington
> Department of Computer Science & Engineering
> Box 19015, 471 S Cooper Street
> Arlington, TX 76019
> 817-272-3620
> http://www.cse.uta.edu/TheMuseum at CSE/
>     Be A Maverick.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SpamBayes at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> _______________________________________________
> SpamBayes at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 
> 

From csteeper at avasst.co.uk  Thu Feb 15 18:33:52 2007
From: csteeper at avasst.co.uk (Clive Steeper)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:33:52 -0000
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam filtering for forwarded email to a BlackBerry
Message-ID: <008c01c75127$760daa90$0302a8c0@CMHShpNC6400>

I use SpamBayes with MS Outlook [Windows XP] and find it very good - great
job guys.  

 

I know have a BlackBerry and forward several different email addresses to
the BBY.  The problem I know have is that all the Spam I keep receiving, and
is being filtered by SpanBytes in Outlook, is still getting through on to my
BlackBerry.  Is there some add-in software which I can load onto my BBY so
it too will filter all the *%#$ I keep getting.

 

I run a small business so do not have access to any 'IT Techies' and am
hoping you guys can help.

 

 

Thanks

 

Clive Steeper

AVASST Ltd

Direct: +44 7771 560634

 

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From sethg at goodmanassociates.com  Thu Feb 15 19:26:45 2007
From: sethg at goodmanassociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:26:45 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam filtering for forwarded email to a BlackBerry
In-Reply-To: <008c01c75127$760daa90$0302a8c0@CMHShpNC6400>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAKEIFOIAA.sethg@goodmanassociates.com>

Clive Steeper wrote on Thursday, February 15, 2007 11:34 AM -0600:

> I know have a BlackBerry and forward several different email
> addresses to the BBY.  The problem I know have is that all the Spam I
> keep receiving, and is being filtered by SpanBytes in Outlook, is
> still getting through on to my BlackBerry.  Is there some add-in
> software which I can load onto my BBY so it too will filter all the
> *%#$ I keep getting.
>
> I run a small business so do not have access to any 'IT Techies' and
> am hoping you guys can help.

I don't use a Blackberry, but I'll take a stab at your problem.  One
possibility is to have Outlook do the forwarding after Spambayes has
filtered your mail flow.    Because of the way that Spambayes interfaces
with Outlook rules, you will probably need to move filtered good mail
into a new folder, and then have an Outlook rule forward it.  This is
not perfect, as you won't have access to the Unsure or Spam folders from
your Blackberry and you have to leave Outlook running, but it should get
rid of most spam.

Another setup that avoids two out of three of these problems is possible
if you have access to an IMAP mail server and your Blackberry mail
application can use that protocol.  You'd still need to leave Outlook
running on your desktop, but now you'd have access to all your mail
folders from the Blackberry.

--
Seth Goodman


From MSuchocki at dahlingroup.com  Thu Feb 15 23:04:24 2007
From: MSuchocki at dahlingroup.com (Michael Suchocki)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:04:24 -0800
Subject: [Spambayes] Temporarily disabeling the Spam-filter?
Message-ID: <C932C41A5C08CC4FA6CCCD34FDA18D66014BAF43@pl-ex01.dahlingroup.com>


Is this possible and how would I go about it.


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From rebeccaherron at firstlegacyhomes.com  Fri Feb 16 14:00:56 2007
From: rebeccaherron at firstlegacyhomes.com (Rebecca Herron)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:00:56 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <005401c751ca$822e1410$6400a8c0@RebeccaHerron>

I'm using Windows XP.
I don't know what version of Spam Bayes.  I can't find an "about" section to
get the info.
 
The problem....
 
I can't get the "recover from spam bayes" button to show up.
 
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From jcombs at su.edu  Fri Feb 16 14:50:56 2007
From: jcombs at su.edu (Combs, Jurgen)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:50:56 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Missing field
Message-ID: <000701c751d1$7c0c15d0$6602a8c0@su.edu>

Good morning

I used to have a field in outlook that showed the ratings of the various
e-mails based on the spam filter - that field has disappeared - I know
there is a way to do this but seem to have the lost the directions - can
you aim me in the right direction?

Many thanks.

http://www.su.edu/faculty/jcombs (school)
http://www.edulink.org (personal)

Dr. Jurgen Combs
Education Department
College of Arts & Sciences
Shenandoah University             108 Gregory
908 Trailview Blvd.                   1460 University Drive
Leesburg, VA 20175                 Winchester, VA 22601
                                            
office (540) 665-4589
mobile (540) 907-4840
private fax (815) 371-5189


From jsp at PKC.com  Fri Feb 16 15:43:07 2007
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:43:07 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] trouble shooting
In-Reply-To: <0ML25U-1HHKhu0lIX-0002Wt@mrelayeu.kundenserver.de>
References: <0ML25U-1HHKhu0lIX-0002Wt@mrelayeu.kundenserver.de>
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9053CA911@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

Perhaps this FAQ will help: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam-folder.

________________________________

From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Ingo L?derwald
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:02 AM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] trouble shooting



Ladies and Gentlemen;

I am using SapmBayer 1.1a3 sucessfully since about one week.

The software moves spam suspects into the folder "spam suspects",

however this folder disappeared from the folder list.

I am using Outlook from Windos Office 2003 and Windows XP

 

with kind regards/mit freundlichen Gr?ssen

Prof. Dr. Ingo L?derwald

Stresemannstr. 50

88400 Biberach

phone +49 7351 29777

mobile +49 1520 3533350

email:  ingo at luederwald.de

 

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From tom.petersen at sdsd.sdbor.edu  Fri Feb 16 15:53:20 2007
From: tom.petersen at sdsd.sdbor.edu (Petersen, Tom)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:53:20 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Missing field
In-Reply-To: <000701c751d1$7c0c15d0$6602a8c0@su.edu>
References: <000701c751d1$7c0c15d0$6602a8c0@su.edu>
Message-ID: <2882AF79748F4548AC2CD96AE183703A0E4CE4@SDSD-EX01.usdsu.local>

I couldn't find the exact directions I used before, but this link should
fix you up!
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2004-April/012551.html

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
On Behalf Of Combs, Jurgen
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:51 AM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Missing field

Good morning

I used to have a field in outlook that showed the ratings of the various
e-mails based on the spam filter - that field has disappeared - I know
there is a way to do this but seem to have the lost the directions - can
you aim me in the right direction?

Many thanks.

http://www.su.edu/faculty/jcombs (school)
http://www.edulink.org (personal)

Dr. Jurgen Combs
Education Department
College of Arts & Sciences
Shenandoah University             108 Gregory
908 Trailview Blvd.                   1460 University Drive
Leesburg, VA 20175                 Winchester, VA 22601
                                            
office (540) 665-4589
mobile (540) 907-4840
private fax (815) 371-5189

_______________________________________________
SpamBayes at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

From jsp at PKC.com  Fri Feb 16 15:58:29 2007
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:58:29 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <5BE0C971616FA249969C861D2EC9FEC00E0CF2@ex2k3.ad.cusys.edu>
References: <5BE0C971616FA249969C861D2EC9FEC00E0CF2@ex2k3.ad.cusys.edu>
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9053CA91C@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

Sounds like this could be a well-known but poorly understood bug:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=899839&group_id
=61702&atid=498103. If so, no one has found a solution that works in all
cases, though the bug includes a couple of changes that have worked for
some people.

________________________________

From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
On Behalf Of Kathryn Rowan
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:52 AM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with SpamBayes



Hi,

 

I just got a new computer.  With my old computer, when I clicked either
"Delete as Spam" or "Recover from Spam", the message would be moved
immediately to the appropriate folder.  With my new computer, the
message doesn't move until I click off of it.  Can I get SpamBayes to go
back to the way it worked before?  

 

Thanks for you help.

 

Kathryn (Katie) Rowan

Lead Benefits Counselor

Payroll & Benefit Services

University of Colorado

303-735-5660

303-735-6599 (Fax)

"Good women - May we know them, may we be them, may we raise them!"

CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE - This e-mail transmission, and any documents,
files or previous e-mail messages attached to it may contain information
that is confidential or legally privileged.  If you are not the intended
recipient, or a person responsible for delivering  it to the intended
recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this
transmission and that any disclosure, copying, printing, distribution or
use of any of the information contained in or attached to this
transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED.  If you have received this
transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone
or return e-mail and delete the original transmission and its
attachments without reading or saving in any manner.  Thank you.

 

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From jsp at PKC.com  Fri Feb 16 16:22:47 2007
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:22:47 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Missing field
In-Reply-To: <2882AF79748F4548AC2CD96AE183703A0E4CE4@SDSD-EX01.usdsu.local>
References: <000701c751d1$7c0c15d0$6602a8c0@su.edu>
	<2882AF79748F4548AC2CD96AE183703A0E4CE4@SDSD-EX01.usdsu.local>
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9053CA93A@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

See
http://spambayes.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/spambayes/spambayes/Outl
ook2000/about.html#Field. (Also available from "About SpamBayes" on the
SpamBayes Help menu.) 

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
On Behalf Of Petersen, Tom
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:53 AM
To: Combs, Jurgen; spambayes at python.org
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Missing field

I couldn't find the exact directions I used before, but this link should
fix you up!
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2004-April/012551.html

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
On Behalf Of Combs, Jurgen
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:51 AM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Missing field

Good morning

I used to have a field in outlook that showed the ratings of the various
e-mails based on the spam filter - that field has disappeared - I know
there is a way to do this but seem to have the lost the directions - can
you aim me in the right direction?

Many thanks.

http://www.su.edu/faculty/jcombs (school)
http://www.edulink.org (personal)

Dr. Jurgen Combs
Education Department
College of Arts & Sciences
Shenandoah University             108 Gregory
908 Trailview Blvd.                   1460 University Drive
Leesburg, VA 20175                 Winchester, VA 22601
                                            
office (540) 665-4589
mobile (540) 907-4840
private fax (815) 371-5189

_______________________________________________
SpamBayes at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
_______________________________________________
SpamBayes at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

From jsp at PKC.com  Fri Feb 16 16:47:14 2007
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:47:14 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Temporarily disabeling the Spam-filter?
In-Reply-To: <C932C41A5C08CC4FA6CCCD34FDA18D66014BAF43@pl-ex01.dahlingroup.com>
References: <C932C41A5C08CC4FA6CCCD34FDA18D66014BAF43@pl-ex01.dahlingroup.com>
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9053CA94D@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

Assuming you're using the Outlook addin, clicking the SpamBayes Manager
button on the Outlook toolbar, unchecking "Enable SpamBayes," and then
clicking "Close" should do it.

________________________________

From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
On Behalf Of Michael Suchocki
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 5:04 PM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Temporarily disabeling the Spam-filter?
Importance: High




Is this possible and how would I go about it. 


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From jsp at PKC.com  Fri Feb 16 16:54:47 2007
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:54:47 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Add-in
In-Reply-To: <F8B9B12641FB6B4FAC761BDEF9D63B040BFBDB8F@tlv-ex-01.adprod.bmc.com>
References: <000301c74ec5$ee91b9c0$0400a8c0@Gils6240>
	<16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9053CA4A2@PKCVT01.pkc.com>
	<F8B9B12641FB6B4FAC761BDEF9D63B040BFBDB8F@tlv-ex-01.adprod.bmc.com>
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9053CA958@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

I don't think anyone knows for sure.  See the comments on the bug on
this subject:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=988095&grou
p_id=61702.

-----Original Message-----
From: Katz, Amir [mailto:Amir_Katz at bmc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:38 AM
To: Jesse Pelton
Cc: spambayes at python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook Add-in

Just out of curiosity - does the DEP problem stem from SpamBayes itself
or from Outlook? 

-- Amir
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces at python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Pelton
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 19:22
> To: Gil Carrick; spambayes at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Outlook Add-in
> 
> You've nailed the problem; SpamBayes requires that DEP be disabled for
> Outlook.  You can leave it enabled for everything else, so 
> your system's
> security won't be greatly compromised.  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces at python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
> On Behalf Of Gil Carrick
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:51 AM
> To: spambayes at python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Add-in
> 
> For security reasons I have enabled the hardware and software Data
> Execution Protection features on
> my machine and in Windows XP pro. When I try to run Outlook 
> it reports a
> "serious error" trying to
> run the SpamBayes add-in and disables it. Any suggestions or 
> a fix would
> be appreciated.
> 
> AGC
> 
> -- 
> A. G. (Gil) Carrick, Director
> The Museum at CSE 
> Coach - ICPC Programming Team
> University of Texas at Arlington
> Department of Computer Science & Engineering
> Box 19015, 471 S Cooper Street
> Arlington, TX 76019
> 817-272-3620
> http://www.cse.uta.edu/TheMuseum at CSE/
>     Be A Maverick.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SpamBayes at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> _______________________________________________
> SpamBayes at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 
> 

From jsp at PKC.com  Fri Feb 16 17:34:16 2007
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:34:16 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Temporarily disabeling the Spam-filter?
In-Reply-To: <C932C41A5C08CC4FA6CCCD34FDA18D66014BAF4F@pl-ex01.dahlingroup.com>
References: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9053CA94D@PKCVT01.pkc.com>
	<C932C41A5C08CC4FA6CCCD34FDA18D66014BAF4F@pl-ex01.dahlingroup.com>
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9053CA97A@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

It's a heck of thing, isn't it? I can say so with no immodesty, since I
didn't have anything to do with implementing it.

________________________________

From: Michael Suchocki [mailto:MSuchocki at dahlingroup.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:29 AM
To: Jesse Pelton
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Temporarily disabeling the Spam-filter?


It worked, thank you.  Your product is very successful!
 
 

________________________________

From: Jesse Pelton [mailto:jsp at PKC.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:47 AM
To: Michael Suchocki; spambayes at python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Temporarily disabeling the Spam-filter?


Assuming you're using the Outlook addin, clicking the SpamBayes Manager
button on the Outlook toolbar, unchecking "Enable SpamBayes," and then
clicking "Close" should do it.

________________________________

From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
On Behalf Of Michael Suchocki
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 5:04 PM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Temporarily disabeling the Spam-filter?
Importance: High




Is this possible and how would I go about it. 


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From Tim at sis-l.com  Fri Feb 16 16:34:46 2007
From: Tim at sis-l.com (Tim Snowball)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:34:46 -0000
Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Tim's PC
Message-ID: <E5929B80C979B440BBEACB3C0A906D2A01985DA1@SMP-EX2.SMP.SIRIUS.COM>

Hi Guys,

 

Are you able to help in sorting / removing this Microsoft outlook
message I get when opening the program.

 

Thanks & regards ......Tim

 

________________________________

From: FIX I.T. [mailto:steve at fixit.gb.com] 
Sent: 16 February 2007 15:20
To: Tim Snowball
Subject: RE: Tim's PC

 

This is an error related to SPAMBAYES or SPAMBLOCKER or similar.  It
would help if you know which program this is

Sambayes is an Outlook Add in which detects SPAM and moves it into
Folders etc.

 

What I recommend is

1/ Back up your Outlook PST files eg Archive and Outlook etc.

2/ Uninstall Outlook, then restart the pc and reinstall it.

 

IF it is Spambayes then 

 

3/ It may be possible to contact Spambayes technical support and ask
them if they have a solution to this problem

http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/contact.html

 

Hope that helps

 

Regards

 

Steve

 

________________________________

From: Tim Snowball [mailto:Tim at sis-l.com] 
Sent: 16 February 2007 14:29
To: FIX I.T.
Subject: Tim's PC

 

Steve,

 

This is one of the points that need to be cleared.

 

 

 

 

Tim


--
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Checked by AVG.
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15/02/2007 17:40



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From jsp at PKC.com  Fri Feb 16 20:06:14 2007
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:06:14 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Tim's PC
In-Reply-To: <E5929B80C979B440BBEACB3C0A906D2A01985DA1@SMP-EX2.SMP.SIRIUS.COM>
References: <E5929B80C979B440BBEACB3C0A906D2A01985DA1@SMP-EX2.SMP.SIRIUS.COM>
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9053CAA29@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

A Google search for sbolext.dll turns up multiple pages that indicate
that it is part of a program called Hotbar; some indicate that it's also
part of another from the same company called SpyBlocker. Start a command
prompt and type the following command:
 
dir /AD /X c:\progra~1\spambl~1*
 
This should give you the long directory name that corresponds to
"spambl~1". My guess is that you'll find that the long name is
"spamblockerutility." According to 
http://www.spywaredata.com/spyware/malware/sbolext.dll.php, this would
indicate that it's part of SpyBlocker. They classify both Hotbar and
SpyBlocker as malware. If you buy their assessment, you'll want to get
rid of it if you can.
 
Google is your friend, but caveat emptor, your mileage may vary, and
this advice may be worth what you paid for it.


________________________________

From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
On Behalf Of Tim Snowball
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:35 AM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Tim's PC



Hi Guys,

 

Are you able to help in sorting / removing this Microsoft outlook
message I get when opening the program.

 

Thanks & regards ......Tim

 

________________________________

From: FIX I.T. [mailto:steve at fixit.gb.com] 
Sent: 16 February 2007 15:20
To: Tim Snowball
Subject: RE: Tim's PC

 

This is an error related to SPAMBAYES or SPAMBLOCKER or similar.  It
would help if you know which program this is

Sambayes is an Outlook Add in which detects SPAM and moves it into
Folders etc.

 

What I recommend is

1/ Back up your Outlook PST files eg Archive and Outlook etc.

2/ Uninstall Outlook, then restart the pc and reinstall it.

 

IF it is Spambayes then 

 

3/ It may be possible to contact Spambayes technical support and ask
them if they have a solution to this problem

http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/contact.html

 

Hope that helps

 

Regards

 

Steve

 

________________________________

From: Tim Snowball [mailto:Tim at sis-l.com] 
Sent: 16 February 2007 14:29
To: FIX I.T.
Subject: Tim's PC

 

Steve,

 

This is one of the points that need to be cleared.

 

 

 

 

Tim


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Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.0/689 - Release Date:
15/02/2007 17:40



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From odegani at pacbell.net  Fri Feb 16 21:25:11 2007
From: odegani at pacbell.net (Oded)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:25:11 -0800
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes Problem
Message-ID: <04c101c75208$8f974520$0201a8c0@desktop>

Dear Sirs,

The Spam Bayes tool (button) appears on my Outlook 2003 but doesn't work. I
tried to remove the program using Add/Remove but the program is not listed.
It is also not listed in Start/Programs. I don't understand how the button
is shown without the program being listed anywhere.

I tried to download and reinstall it but to no avail. It still doesn't work.
What can I do?

Thanks,

Oded Degani
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From david at vogelglaser.com  Mon Feb 19 06:07:44 2007
From: david at vogelglaser.com (David Glaser)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 00:07:44 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Delete as Spam Button is gone
Message-ID: <20070219050646.163581E4006@bag.python.org>

In all folders - any thoughts?
 
Thanks in advance
 
Dave Glaser
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From mcright2k at yahoo.es  Mon Feb 19 10:56:15 2007
From: mcright2k at yahoo.es (McRight2k)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:56:15 +0100
Subject: [Spambayes] Problems since install autocad
Message-ID: <001601c7540c$32eef3d0$0ec8c8c8@unidade14>

Hello,

I have work ok with spambayes 1.0.4 in a Microsoft Outlook plugin at Windows
XP SP2 Profesional.

But many days ago, I had install Autocad 2007 and it works fine, but the
SpamBayes, when I press the button "Delete as SPAM" to move the Spam to the
SPAM folder, the dialog window of Install Autocad 2007 appears and it ask me
for the CD of Autocad. Only happens when I press this button. 

 

Can I do?

Thanks

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From tcollins at WPI.EDU  Mon Feb 19 16:46:55 2007
From: tcollins at WPI.EDU (Collins, Thomas L)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:46:55 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Office 2007/Vista compatibility
Message-ID: <B6F4E8F0B525A1458335065FB33FFC03020BF6D3@EXCHDB.admin.wpi.edu>

Hello,

                I was wondering if SpamBayes would be updated to officially
support Office 2007 and Windows Vista.  Thanks.

 

Thomas L. Collins, III
Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Windows Systems Administrator
Office - Fuller B30
Phone - (508) 831-6044
Fax - (508) 831-5483
Email - tcollins at wpi.edu <mailto:tcollins at wpi.edu>  

 

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From amedee at amedee.be  Mon Feb 19 18:19:31 2007
From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:19:31 +0100
Subject: [Spambayes] Office 2007/Vista compatibility
In-Reply-To: <B6F4E8F0B525A1458335065FB33FFC03020BF6D3@EXCHDB.admin.wpi.edu>
References: <B6F4E8F0B525A1458335065FB33FFC03020BF6D3@EXCHDB.admin.wpi.edu>
Message-ID: <1171905571.8506.32.camel@saruman>

On ma, 2007-02-19 at 10:46 -0500, Collins, Thomas L wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>                 I was wondering if SpamBayes would be updated to
> officially support Office 2007 and Windows Vista.  Thanks.
> 

There has been a suggestion to raise funds so that we can buy Vista and
Office 2K7 for the developers. ;-)

-- 
Amedee Van Gasse
amedee at amedee.be



From ND158 at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 20 20:58:03 2007
From: ND158 at hotmail.com (ND158)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:58:03 -0000
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes stopped working with Outlook 2007
Message-ID: <BAY13-DAV62BDE9CCB03DD6836FA43F9890@phx.gbl>

Hi, I have been using SpamBayes for months with Outlook 2003 and it has been working fine. Recently I upgraded to Outlook 2007. SpamBayes first continued to work fine but it then suddently stopped filtering spam. I unistalled and re-installed it, but this time it does not show on the Outlook menu. The log file does not report any problem. I would appreciate any help with this problem.  

Nick
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From bishop at aeroprise.com  Wed Feb 21 01:02:37 2007
From: bishop at aeroprise.com (Peter Bishop)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:02:37 -0800
Subject: [Spambayes] Delete as Spam Button is gone
In-Reply-To: <20070219050646.163581E4006@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <MAILDOyAgG0TTkI5uYj0000ebfa@mail.aeroprise.com>

David,
 
Did your SpamBayes menu also disappear?  If so, then it may not be installed
properly, look at uninstalling it and re-installing it.  If your SpamBayes
menu is there, then did you look at the SpamBayes manager screen?  Is it
enabled? Do you have a folder specified under Filtering for Certain Spam?
If so, does it say Untouched as the action?  Play around with this, and get
it back. Also, you can check the log files to get a hint as to what is
happening.  Can you Show spam clues for a selected email?  What does the log
file say when you try?
Peter Bishop 


  _____  

From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of David Glaser
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:08 PM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Delete as Spam Button is gone


In all folders - any thoughts?
 
Thanks in advance
 
Dave Glaser
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From bishop at aeroprise.com  Wed Feb 21 01:07:49 2007
From: bishop at aeroprise.com (Peter Bishop)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:07:49 -0800
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes stopped working with Outlook 2007
In-Reply-To: <BAY13-DAV62BDE9CCB03DD6836FA43F9890@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <MAILD0RtMVlqIx65wGu0000ecaa@mail.aeroprise.com>

I liked what Klieg said recently about this kind of problem (assuming you
followed the instructions in the FAQs already) - please let us know if it
helps:
SpamBayes quit working for me a while ago. The menu bar in Outlook still
showed the controls, however they did not respond. I tried re-installing the
product and it showed registered in the log, however still did not work.
 
I un-installed the product, deleted the menu from Outlook, then re-installed
the product.
 
It still did not work. When I tried to turn on the COMM addin in Outlook by
checking the addin under Tools > Options > Other > Advanced Options > Comm
Addins, still nothing. When going back into the Comm addins options, the
checkbox was un-checked.
 
Then I selected the Spambayes item in the Comm add-ins option window and
selected 'Remove'. I then selected 'Add' to add in the SpamBayes addin. In
the file dialogue box, you need to navigate to the addin under program files
 
> Spambayes > Bin > outlook_addin.dll.
 
The addin takes a little while to install at this point, then the Spambayes
menu items should show up.
You'll need to re-configure some of the Spambayes setup, then things should
be back in working order.
 
Peter Bishop 

  _____  

From: spambayes-bounces+bishop=aeroprise.com at python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces+bishop=aeroprise.com at python.org] On Behalf Of
ND158
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:58 AM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes stopped working with Outlook 2007


Hi, I have been using SpamBayes for months with Outlook 2003 and it has been
working fine. Recently I upgraded to Outlook 2007. SpamBayes first continued
to work fine but it then suddently stopped filtering spam. I unistalled and
re-installed it, but this time it does not show on the Outlook menu. The log
file does not report any problem. I would appreciate any help with this
problem.  
 
Nick
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From alan at shurafa.com  Wed Feb 21 14:21:37 2007
From: alan at shurafa.com (Alan Shurafa)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:21:37 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Testing With Vista and Office 12
Message-ID: <088BA973D71A8B42A5E1EF3913F60530482C@server02.shurafa.com>

Hey Guys,

 

Just wanted to know if you needed any help testing Spambayes with Office
12.

 

Alan

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From gonnyc at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 15:40:26 2007
From: gonnyc at gmail.com (Gon)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:40:26 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Fwd:  outlook-spambays problem
In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F905357979@PKCVT01.pkc.com>
References: <320bbd230702020629t6401831fo7e287fb36cfb30be@mail.gmail.com>
	<16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F905357789@PKCVT01.pkc.com>
	<320bbd230702030728p8ba2868xdb6128001a3d390e@mail.gmail.com>
	<16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F905357979@PKCVT01.pkc.com>
Message-ID: <320bbd230702210640j4d46e0bfj9e7857f367b6cd7b@mail.gmail.com>

I have disabled the DEP on my outlook (or i hope i did, it wasn't
easy opening the outlook file in the DEP programs list), but the problem
persists...outlook crashes whenever I touch any of SpamBayes buttons. I
attached the last log file.

Before that I uninstalled and Reinstalled SpamBayes (more than once, on
several separate instances), but nothing chages.

Is this the end of my affair with SpamBayes?

Thanks,
Gon

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jesse Pelton <jsp at pkc.com>
Date: Feb 5, 2007 8:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] outlook-spambays problem
To: Gon <gonnyc at gmail.com>, SpamBayes at python.org


 See
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/sp2mempr.mspx
for
an explanation of DEP. The basics are easy enough to grasp, but the details
may make your head spin.

Replying to the list in case anyone else has suggestions.

 ------------------------------
*From:* Gon [mailto:gonnyc at gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:29 AM
*To:* Jesse Pelton
*Subject:* Re: [Spambayes] outlook-spambays problem


 thanks for the good advice, but none of the solutions help...i could not
locate the ini file (could it have another name?), nor do i use PGP or
Athlon 64. Can anyone explain to the technologically challenged what DEP
stands for? the problem may be there, and i'd be happy to check..

thanks,
Gon

On 2/2/07, Jesse Pelton <jsp at pkc.com> wrote:
>
>  There's a message thread in the archive that may help, though your
> circumstances are different. See
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2003-November/009604.html.
>
> If you're using the PGP freeware plugin for Outlook, see
> http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/apps/outlook/bugs.html#pgp-addin-causes-crashes
> .
>
> And maybe the following is relevant:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/spambayes-dev at python.org/msg00527.html.
>
> I'm grasping at straws (provided by a Google search for "spambayes crashes
> outlook") here. If none of these suggestions help, you could try the search
> yourself to see if any of the bazillion or so other results are helpful.
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto: spambayes-bounces at python.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Gon
> *Sent:* Friday, February 02, 2007 9:29 AM
> *To:* SpamBayes at python.org
> *Subject:* [Spambayes] outlook-spambays problem
>
>
>  I posted a message on the subscription list a while ago and received no
> response....
> I have been using SpamBayes with my outlook for months with no problem and
> was very pleased by its operation. A while ago the problem bega - any click
> on SpamBayes buttins - "delete as spam" or "spambayes manager" prompts
> outlook to crash. I don't receive any error messages except "outlook has
> encountered a problem and has to shut down".
> I am using Windown XP and outlook 2003.
>
> Please help!
>
> Gon Kafri
> Parents Circle
> gonnyc at gmail.com
>
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From dale at BriannasSaladDressing.com  Wed Feb 21 20:29:59 2007
From: dale at BriannasSaladDressing.com (Dale Schroeder)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:29:59 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Large emails
Message-ID: <45DC9DB7.80508@BriannasSaladDressing.com>

I have recently installed Spambayes 1.0.4-3 (Debian testing) on a system 
that is a mixture of Sarge and Etch.  The filtering is fantastic, but 
large emails, either in the body or as attachments, fail.  Incoming 
(hosted elsewhere) have the attachment stripped.  Outgoing (hosted at 
our company) cause the generation of an smtp failure error message.  The 
hardware is an old Gateway GP7-500 with the maximum 384MB of memory.  
Running "top" on the server shows the CPU at 99%+, memory usage constant 
at about 382MB used, but the swap file is never touched.  When the email 
(~1.6MB) is 86% sent, spambayes gives up.  Do I need more powerful 
hardware; or is there a configuration setting that I'm missing; or is it 
something else altogether?

Thanks,
Dale


From medusina at telefonica.net  Wed Feb 21 22:02:31 2007
From: medusina at telefonica.net (medusina)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:02:31 +0100
Subject: [Spambayes] antispam
Message-ID: <000801c755fb$9bbf3460$3101a8c0@net>

Please, I?ve downloaded your SpamBayes, but I cannot find toolbar and anything in my Outlook. Can you help me? I have a Windows98 Se. Thank you.
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From mpelikan at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 21 22:33:59 2007
From: mpelikan at sbcglobal.net (Mary Pelikan)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:33:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Spambayes] Smile and Frown face
Message-ID: <708779.90045.qm@web83209.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I had spambayes installed and all worked well.  Something went bad it I uninstalled and reinstalled and now I do not have the faces which I click on to add to junk emails.  During the reintallation I do not remember it asking me how I want to teach the program what is junk. Please help me I am desperate to get rid of this junk email.
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From laron at pageville.com  Wed Feb 21 21:33:54 2007
From: laron at pageville.com (Laron Henderson)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:33:54 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Specific Words
Message-ID: <200702212033.l1LKXlhe068672@pageville.com>

I am looking for the file that determines whether a message is spam 
or not. What I would like to do is put something in the subject line 
that lets SpamBayes know that the email going through is a good message. 


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Feb 22 01:11:42 2007
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:11:42 +1100
Subject: [Spambayes] Testing With Vista and Office 12
In-Reply-To: <088BA973D71A8B42A5E1EF3913F60530482C@server02.shurafa.com>
Message-ID: <00bc01c75616$08906ae0$020a0a0a@enfoldsystems.local>

> Hey Guys,
> 
> Just wanted to know if you needed any help testing Spambayes 
> with Office 12.

I'm not aware of any of the developers having Vista or Office 12 - so we
sure could do with that help.

Mark
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From jsp at PKC.com  Thu Feb 22 14:22:26 2007
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:22:26 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] antispam
In-Reply-To: <000801c755fb$9bbf3460$3101a8c0@net>
References: <000801c755fb$9bbf3460$3101a8c0@net>
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F90546AB00@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

You appear to be using Outlook Express. If this is the case, please see http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-express and http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-do-i-set-up-spambayes-and-outlook-express. Unfortunately, Outlook Express is quite limited compared to Outlook, and its setup is more of a manual process.

________________________________

From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of medusina
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:03 PM
To: spambayes at python.org
Cc: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] antispam


Please, I?ve downloaded your SpamBayes, but I cannot find toolbar and anything in my Outlook. Can you help me? I have a Windows98 Se. Thank you.
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From scrabbe at bregmanandburt.com  Thu Feb 22 17:38:59 2007
From: scrabbe at bregmanandburt.com (Suellen Crabbe)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:38:59 -0700
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem Installing Outlook Addin
Message-ID: <091CD523C17A8440A59B11724C7B5E95106779@mainserver05.Bregman.local>

Dear SpamBayes,

 

            I love your product and use it on all my computers.  I've
tried to load it on this computer and it seems to load just fine, but
when I open Outlook it won't start.  I have a SpamBayes icon on the
toolbar, but the drop down box won't open so I can't get to the
SpamBayes Manager to even let it train.  We have an Exchange Server, but
it works just fine on my other computers on the same server.  Thanks for
your help.

 

 
Suellen 

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From Chilany at dc.rr.com  Fri Feb 23 01:10:46 2007
From: Chilany at dc.rr.com (Chilany (ChilanyEnt.))
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:10:46 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Your website....
Message-ID: <003b01c756df$120d3660$59b01b42@dc.rr.com>

......is way, way, way too technical and complicated to interest the average PC World reader interested in and looking for a simple installation, seup, and usage of "free" software as promoted in their March 2007 issue. I would consider myself to have moderate to advanced computer knowledge, but when I saw your website; .....we just decided to pass on SpamBayes.

BO
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From amedee at amedee.be  Fri Feb 23 11:09:40 2007
From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:09:40 +0100
Subject: [Spambayes] Your website....
In-Reply-To: <003b01c756df$120d3660$59b01b42@dc.rr.com>
References: <003b01c756df$120d3660$59b01b42@dc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1172225380.9496.36.camel@saruman>

On do, 2007-02-22 at 18:10 -0600, Chilany (ChilanyEnt.) wrote:
> ......is way, way, way too technical and complicated to interest the
> average PC World reader interested in and looking for a simple
> installation, seup, and usage of "free" software as promoted in their
> March 2007 issue. I would consider myself to have moderate to advanced
> computer knowledge, but when I saw your website; .....we just decided
> to pass on SpamBayes.
>  

You are absolutely 100% right!!!

But... in the defense of the developers I would like to say the following:

1. Spambayes started as an experiment to test certain theories about
bayesian analysis. In the beginning it was not in the first place
intended as software for regular users, with all the quality and
usability of full-fledged commercial software. The average PC World
reader was never the intended audience from the start, and the
developers are amazed that their small hobby project has such a success.
(that's what I understand from reading the website)

2. Once upon a time there was this developer who decided it would be a
nice idea to add some stuff to Spambayes so it would work in Outlook. I
presume he was an Oulook user himself, which brings me to 3.

3. Spambayes is FLOSS (Free/Libre Open Source) software, and an
important adagium in FLOSS is "scratch your own itch". You find a spam
filtering software that doesn't yet work for your mail client? Learn how
to program, modify the spam filter yourself, and contribute your changes
back to the source. You have good suggestions for the FAQ? Speak up! You
have amazing web design skill and you would design a superfantastic new
website? Don't let anyone stop you!

Perhaps I will some day suggest a new website design. When I have a lot
of free time. Which is, unfortunately, never.

Kind regards,

Amedee Van Gasse
amedee at amedee.be


From alan at alanmoss.demon.co.uk  Fri Feb 23 10:53:46 2007
From: alan at alanmoss.demon.co.uk (Alan Moss)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:53:46 -0000
Subject: [Spambayes] problems with Outlook Express
Message-ID: <000601c75730$82dcbea0$7469383e@xp3649>

Dear Spambayes

I have downloaded Spambayes because I recently went on to broadband, and had to transfer to Outlook Express for email because my previous email prgramme Turnpike would not work.   And then I started receiving loads of spam.   Hance Spambayes!  I have configured Spambayes with my POP3 proxy options, but still cannot get the email flowing through on to Outlook so that I can train the system.   I have had advice from somebody who says that there should be an icon appearing on Outlook express so that I can click on that icon and automatically classify messages as ham, spam and so on, but I have no sign of this.

So there is something I have not done right, and I cannot work what what it is.  Is there a telephone helpline available, or some other help facility which addresses my problem?

I am on Windows XP, and my email proivder is demon (alan at alanmoss.demon.co.uk)

Many thanks

Alan Moss


Alan Moss
History by the Yard - Information about the Policing of London
www.historybytheyard.co.uk
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From amedee at amedee.be  Fri Feb 23 12:13:39 2007
From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:13:39 +0100
Subject: [Spambayes] problems with Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <000601c75730$82dcbea0$7469383e@xp3649>
References: <000601c75730$82dcbea0$7469383e@xp3649>
Message-ID: <1172229219.9496.52.camel@saruman>

Copied from a reply of Jesse Pelton:



You appear to be using Outlook Express. If this is the case, please see
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-express and http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-do-i-set-up-spambayes-and-outlook-express. Unfortunately, Outlook Express is quite limited compared to Outlook, and its setup is more of a manual process.



I would like to add:
Outlook and Outlook Express are not the same. This is a common mistake.
Outlook is groupware, while Outlook Express is only email.


About the telephone helpline: SpamBayes is free software, and you pay
for what you get. You paid nothing so...
Second, I don't know where all the Spambayes devs live, but chances are
they don't live in your part of the world/time zone.
Third, Spambayes is not a company, but a group of volunteering
individuals who do this as a hobby. I'm afraid they would stop working
on Spambayes if they were forced to do telephone support. That's why
they also rely a bit on people like me, just regular users, to help
other users, via this mailing list.

-- 
Amedee Van Gasse
amedee at amedee.be



On vr, 2007-02-23 at 09:53 +0000, Alan Moss wrote:
> Dear Spambayes
>  
> I have downloaded Spambayes because I recently went on to broadband,
> and had to transfer to Outlook Express for email because my previous
> email prgramme Turnpike would not work.   And then I started receiving
> loads of spam.   Hance Spambayes!  I have configured Spambayes with my
> POP3 proxy options, but still cannot get the email flowing through on
> to Outlook so that I can train the system.   I have had advice from
> somebody who says that there should be an icon appearing on Outlook
> express so that I can click on that icon and automatically classify
> messages as ham, spam and so on, but I have no sign of this.
>  
> So there is something I have not done right, and I cannot work what
> what it is.  Is there a telephone helpline available, or some other
> help facility which addresses my problem?
>  
> I am on Windows XP, and my email proivder is demon
> (alan at alanmoss.demon.co.uk)
>  
> Many thanks
>  
> Alan Moss
>  
>  
> Alan Moss
> History by the Yard - Information about the Policing of London
> www.historybytheyard.co.uk
> _______________________________________________
> SpamBayes at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
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From jsp at PKC.com  Fri Feb 23 13:48:33 2007
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:48:33 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Your website....
In-Reply-To: <003b01c756df$120d3660$59b01b42@dc.rr.com>
References: <003b01c756df$120d3660$59b01b42@dc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F90546AD5A@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

SpamBayes is free (as in speech) software developed and maintained by
volunteers who make it available to the rest of us in part out of the
goodness of their hearts. It is axiomatic that the product is not
perfect; no product ever is. One of the great virtues of this type of
software is that anyone can help to improve it. You may choose not to;
note that non-specific complaints are not generally useful
contributions.
 
I'd encourage you to take the time to understand how to install and use
SpamBayes. It's very useful. Outlook Express setup is not as automatic
as Outlook's due to OE's limitations, but there are FAQ entries to get
you started and this mailing list to help if you get stuck.

________________________________

From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
On Behalf Of Chilany (ChilanyEnt.)
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:11 PM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Your website....


......is way, way, way too technical and complicated to interest the
average PC World reader interested in and looking for a simple
installation, seup, and usage of "free" software as promoted in their
March 2007 issue. I would consider myself to have moderate to advanced
computer knowledge, but when I saw your website; .....we just decided to
pass on SpamBayes.
 
BO
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From John.wood at electric-software.com  Fri Feb 23 19:09:03 2007
From: John.wood at electric-software.com (john.wood@electric-software.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:09:03 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook issues after latest Office updates
Message-ID: <570gdrck1o6gsjf.230220071309@electric-software.com>

Hi there I am running Outlook 2003 on XP SP2 in an Exchange and POP3 mixed environment. I ran all the latest DST patches and all the WIndows and Office updates yesterday. Today the SpamBayes will not run, no matter what I try. I have tried all the add-in troubleshooting, but at first the toolbar was there but not working, now I can not even get it to show back up - the program will install but then when I open outlook I get the message that Outlook generated an error and needed to close. Then it says SpamBayes caused problems when it was last run and would I like to disable it, so I have to say yes to open Outlook. I wonder if the updates were enough to make it break. SpamBayes 1.0.4. 

The log files are empty as well. There are 4 spambayes log files but nothing in them.

Thanks,
John


From bishop at aeroprise.com  Fri Feb 23 19:43:22 2007
From: bishop at aeroprise.com (Peter Bishop)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:43:22 -0800
Subject: [Spambayes] Specific Words
Message-ID: <MAILP3u1kN09yk6b0kZ00016629@mail.aeroprise.com>

Laron,

You can achieve exactly what you want by making an Outlook rule that moves
these emails that you claim are definitely good into a folder other than
your inbox folder.  If you set SpamBayes to run delayed by a second, then
Outlook will perform its processing first, and SpamBayes will not be given
an opportunity to work on these emails.

If you insist on keeping these emails in your inbox, then you simply have to
train SpamBayes to recognize these emails.  Normal settings for filtering
(not far from the default settings) does a good job of training SpamBayes on
the emails it needs to be trained on.  I use definitely spam setting of
75.00 and possibly spam setting of 15.00, and I have found this works
wonderfully.  Eventually, I find that I no longer have to train SpamBayes
much.  Nearly all my good email have a score of 0%, and I am now only
getting a few emails in my possibly spam folder, and they are seldom good
messages.

Peter Bishop

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Laron Henderson
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:34 PM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Specific Words

I am looking for the file that determines whether a message is spam or not.
What I would like to do is put something in the subject line that lets
SpamBayes know that the email going through is a good message. 

_______________________________________________
SpamBayes at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


From jbechtel at softwareapps.net  Fri Feb 23 21:13:54 2007
From: jbechtel at softwareapps.net (Joel Bechtel-softwareapps.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:13:54 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook rules run before spam filter
Message-ID: <001401c75787$248efaa0$6501a8c0@Dell1>

Outlook rules seem to be applied before spam is filtered (basically spam
e-mail is forwarded in this rule before it is filtered).  Is there any known
workarounds?
 
Thanks,
Joel Bechtel
 
 
President/CEO
Software Application Services, Inc.
301 Buckingham Circle
Harleysville, PA  19438
Email:  jbechtel at softwareapps.net
Phone:  215-723-5070
Fax:  215-310-1210
Website:  www.softwareapps.net <http://www.softwareapps.net/> 
 
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From amedee at amedee.be  Fri Feb 23 21:52:35 2007
From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:52:35 +0100
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook rules run before spam filter
In-Reply-To: <001401c75787$248efaa0$6501a8c0@Dell1>
References: <001401c75787$248efaa0$6501a8c0@Dell1>
Message-ID: <1172263955.9568.40.camel@saruman>

On vr, 2007-02-23 at 15:13 -0500, Joel Bechtel-softwareapps.net wrote:
> Outlook rules seem to be applied before spam is filtered (basically
> spam e-mail is forwarded in this rule before it is filtered).  Is
> there any known workarounds?

No, because this is intended behaviour.

You could tweak the delay. Set it to 0 seconds. The procedure is
described in the previous mail on this mailing list, written by 
Peter Bishop. Just do the opposite. But probably it won't work all of
the time.

-- 
Amedee
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From lorenz.rommens at telenet.be  Sat Feb 24 15:46:02 2007
From: lorenz.rommens at telenet.be (Lorenz Rommens)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:46:02 +0100
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes - Office 2007 - Outlook.
Message-ID: <001801c75822$8179bd40$846d37c0$@rommens@telenet.be>

Dear,

 

Is your software compliant with Outlook 2007?

 

Best regards,

 

Lorenz Rommens

lorenz.rommens at telenet.be

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From Jeff at joy.org  Sat Feb 24 18:28:36 2007
From: Jeff at joy.org (Jeff Brodsky)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:28:36 -0700
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2007
Message-ID: <002301c75839$3814dce0$a83e96a0$@org>

Greetings,

 

I just installed Office 2007 (with Outlook 2007) and SpamBayes is no longer
working. 

 

Suggestions?

 

Thanks,

 

Jeff

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From sandi at drtavel.com  Sun Feb 25 04:25:57 2007
From: sandi at drtavel.com (Sandi Tavel)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:25:57 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes has stopped working.
Message-ID: <000001c7588c$aa0f65b0$0301a8c0@BEDROOM>

Spambayes has stopped working.  It appears on the toolbar of my outlook, but
does not respond and fails to filter.  Can you please offer some assistance?

 

Thanks.

 

Sandi at drtavel.com

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From sandi at drtavel.com  Sun Feb 25 04:27:37 2007
From: sandi at drtavel.com (Sandi Tavel)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:27:37 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes has stopped working.
Message-ID: <000501c7588c$e623cc80$0301a8c0@BEDROOM>

Spambayes 1.0.4 has stopped working.  It appears on the toolbar of my
outlook 2002, but does not respond and fails to filter.  I am a neophyte and
cannot locate the log files.  Can you please offer some assistance?

 

Thanks.

 

Sandi at drtavel.com

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From amedee at amedee.be  Sun Feb 25 17:48:34 2007
From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:48:34 +0100
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes - Office 2007 - Outlook.
In-Reply-To: <001801c75822$8179bd40$846d37c0$@rommens@telenet.be>
References: <001801c75822$8179bd40$846d37c0$@rommens@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <1172422114.9705.11.camel@saruman>

On za, 2007-02-24 at 15:46 +0100, Lorenz Rommens wrote:
> Dear,
> 
>  
> 
> Is your software compliant with Outlook 2007?

To the list: I'll reply in Dutch, because I see this person has the same
ISP as me. Besides, I have some relevant info for him. :)


Beste Lorenz,

Ik kan op voorhand niet zeggen of Spambayes werkt met Office 2007.
Ik denk dat geen enkele van de programmeurs al Office 2007 heeft, en ik
denk zelfs dat de meeste zelfs geen Windows hebben.
Spambayes is namelijk gratis, dus daar gaan ze al geen geld mee
verdienen om het dure Office 2007 mee te kopen.

Ik zou zeggen, probeer het gewoon. Misschien werkt het, des te beter.
Mocht het zijn dat de Outlook plugin niet werkt, dan zou volgens mij in
ieder geval toch de POP3-proxy moeten werken. Die is iets minder handig,
maar werkt even goed.  Voor meer uitleg over de POP3-proxy raadpleeg je
best de website en de FAQ van Spambayes.

Misschien handig om weten: ik ben bestuurslid van Tik vzw (Telecom &
Internet Klantenvereniging), waaronder ook de Pandora User Base valt
(Telenet klantenvereniging). Binnenkort gaan we op onze website een
onderdeel maken over gratis software voor het internet (besprekingen +
handleidingen), en Spambayes zal daarin zeker en vast ook vermeld
worden.
Meer info binnenkort op http://www.tik.be/

-- 
Vriendelijke groeten,
Amedee Van Gasse
amedee at amedee.be

Raad van Bestuur Tik vzw
PUB Forum moderator
amedee at tik.be

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From tadowguy at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 23:16:36 2007
From: tadowguy at gmail.com (Matt Fischer)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:16:36 -0700
Subject: [Spambayes] all of the sudden, spambayes quit working
Message-ID: <47e5681d0702261416w68a9c9ebubd90b22c7f8f7372@mail.gmail.com>

I have been using Spambayes for about 2 years now, but all of the sudden it
quit working.  I dont have much info on the failure, is there a "verbose"
option that I can enable?  Also, I did try resetting my database, but the
result was the same.

procmail: Locking "hamlock"
procmail: Executing "sb_filter.py,-d,.hammie.db"
/home/mfischer/sb_filter.py: sb_filter.py: Transport endpoint is not
connected
procmail: Error while writing to "sb_filter.py"
procmail: Rescue of unfiltered data succeeded
procmail: Unlocking "hamlock"

Here's my procmail file (the relevant portion):

      :0fw:hamlock
      | /home/mfischer/local/bin/sb_filter.py -d $HOME/.hammie.db


I was able to manually run sb_filter.py -h, -v, and -n.

My system (shared host) has python 2.3.5
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From bishop at aeroprise.com  Tue Feb 27 01:07:53 2007
From: bishop at aeroprise.com (Peter Bishop)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:07:53 -0800
Subject: [Spambayes] 12 char limit on tokens
Message-ID: <MAILAXZxfDG2ZPFcrAZ0001cff8@mail.aeroprise.com>

I was looking into why "Schwarzenegger" was not recognized as a token, when
I discovered that you had determined that it was good to have a 12 character
limit on tokens.  Is this really better that a 15 char limit?

Peter Bishop

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From amedee at amedee.be  Tue Feb 27 08:19:51 2007
From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:19:51 +0100
Subject: [Spambayes] 12 char limit on tokens
In-Reply-To: <MAILAXZxfDG2ZPFcrAZ0001cff8@mail.aeroprise.com>
References: <MAILAXZxfDG2ZPFcrAZ0001cff8@mail.aeroprise.com>
Message-ID: <1172560791.9705.86.camel@saruman>

On ma, 2007-02-26 at 16:07 -0800, Peter Bishop wrote:
> I was looking into why "Schwarzenegger" was not recognized as a token,
> when I discovered that you had determined that it was good to have a
> 12 character limit on tokens.  Is this really better that a 15 char
> limit?

For languages with short words like English, increasing the token length
will only give marginally better results (if any).
On the other hand, if a lot of your correspondence is in a language with
long words (like German - and Schwarzenegger is a German/Austrian name),
then increasing the token length might give better results.

I presume the devs chose a limit of 12 chars based on experience (they
have tested with thousands of messages). I think there must be some
balance in the efficiency of the algorithm and the size of the token
database.

There is only one way to find out if a token limt of 15 is better _for_
_you_: try it out.

-- 
Amedee
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From sindywear at iowatelecom.net  Tue Feb 27 21:24:06 2007
From: sindywear at iowatelecom.net (sindywear at iowatelecom.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:24:06 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes question
Message-ID: <1241.71.7.82.71.1172607846.squirrel@webmail.iowatelecom.net>

Hi,

How do I uninstall Spambayes?

I have XP PRO SP2, Outlook 2003 Pro SP 2 with Spambayes installed.

A couple issues I am having:
-I see several Contacts in Personal Folders (like 8 of these folders and
it seems to be growing).  I'm not sure why there are multiples.
-I see the same with multiple growing number of Personal Folders.

-The Outlook client is receiving mail in 4 Folders.  Why is incoming mail
going to a particular folder?
   The 4 Folders are:  InBox, Unread mail, junk email and junk suspect.

I appreciate your support and expertise!  Thanks.


-Sindy Wear
sindywear at iowatelecom.net



From john at dupriest.com  Tue Feb 27 21:17:02 2007
From: john at dupriest.com (John F. DuPriest)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:17:02 -0800
Subject: [Spambayes] siSpamFilterEngine has encountered a problem and needs
Message-ID: <000001c75aac$42434c90$0201a8c0@JDSYS1>

Arjan:

 

I found a message you wrote in July 2005;

 

"Hi,

I get this Error message every email I receive. HELP!
Siffed through the faq and bugs couldnot find the answer there
Included part of the report generated bij mickeysoft!1
AppName: sispamfilterengine.exe            AppVer: 1.0.0.271  ModName:
kernel32.dll
ModVer: 5.1.2600.2180           Offset: 0000d189
 
Kind regards,
 
Arjan Hulst"
 

I am having the same problem today after having a computer system "Clean up"
by Dell technician taking control of my computer and doing the job. Never
had it before. I cannot do anything, it pops up every 20-30 seconds and
locks me out of anything I am working on.

 

Have been on the phone with Dell this morning for over two hours, finally
thought to Google the subject and found your message.

 

Assuming you no longer have the problem, do you recall what the fix was for
you?

 

Do you know what I can do?

 

Any help much appreciated.

 

 

John F. DuPriest e-Pro Certified Internet Expert

Direct: 916/933-2185, Fax: 916/663-9366

E-mail: John at DuPriest.com <mailto:John at DuPriest.com>   Website:
www.DuPriest.com 

Full time Real Estate broker in the greater Sacramento area and the
beautiful Sierra foothills since 1972

 <http://www.epronar.com/whyuseepro.htm> Why use an e-PRO?

 

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From skip at pobox.com  Tue Feb 27 21:50:22 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:50:22 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] siSpamFilterEngine has encountered a problem and
	needs
In-Reply-To: <000001c75aac$42434c90$0201a8c0@JDSYS1>
References: <000001c75aac$42434c90$0201a8c0@JDSYS1>
Message-ID: <17892.39310.337867.413134@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    John> I get this Error message every email I receive. HELP!
    John> Siffed through the faq and bugs couldnot find the answer there
    John> Included part of the report generated bij mickeysoft!1
    John> AppName: sispamfilterengine.exe            AppVer: 1.0.0.271  ModName:
    John> kernel32.dll
    John> ModVer: 5.1.2600.2180           Offset: 0000d189
 
    John> Kind regards,
 
    John> Arjan Hulst"
 

    John> I am having the same problem today after having a computer system
    John> "Clean up" by Dell technician taking control of my computer and
    John> doing the job. Never had it before. I cannot do anything, it pops
    John> up every 20-30 seconds and locks me out of anything I am working
    John> on.

John,

I don't know what sipamfilterengine is, but it's not SpamBayes.  Based on
what I saw in Google it kinda looks like it might be malware of some kind.

Skip

From tim.peters at gmail.com  Tue Feb 27 21:53:13 2007
From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:53:13 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] siSpamFilterEngine has encountered a problem and
	needs
In-Reply-To: <000001c75aac$42434c90$0201a8c0@JDSYS1>
References: <000001c75aac$42434c90$0201a8c0@JDSYS1>
Message-ID: <1f7befae0702271253u34fb0573s8165086214ebda44@mail.gmail.com>

[John F. DuPriest]
> Arjan:
>
>
>
> I found a message you wrote in July 2005;
>
>
>
> "Hi, I get this Error message every email I receive. HELP!
> Siffed through the faq and bugs couldnot find the answer there
> Included part of the report generated bij mickeysoft!1
> AppName: sispamfilterengine.exe            AppVer: 1.0.0.271  ModName:
> kernel32.dll
> ModVer: 5.1.2600.2180           Offset: 0000d189
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Arjan Hulst"
>
>
>
> I am having the same problem today after having a computer system "Clean up"
> by Dell technician taking control of my computer and doing the job. Never
> had it before. I cannot do anything, it pops up every 20-30 seconds and
> locks me out of anything I am working on.
>
>
>
> Have been on the phone with Dell this morning for over two hours, finally
> thought to Google the subject and found your message.
> ...

Sorry, siSpamFilterEngine still has nothing to do with the SpamBayes
project, and Arjan almost certainly doesn't read this list  Suggest
you go back to Google and search for siSpamFilterEngine, in order to
find an appropriate place to discuss it.  There are 100s of search
hits.

From btaylor at tlfatlanta.com  Wed Feb 28 19:28:34 2007
From: btaylor at tlfatlanta.com (Brad Taylor)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:28:34 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes help question
Message-ID: <000801c75b66$43508250$fa00a8c0@TLF.TLF>

How do I find a email that Spam erroneously removed from the Inbox folder.? btaylor at tlfatlanta.com
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From mpelikan at archlighting.net  Wed Feb 28 19:50:00 2007
From: mpelikan at archlighting.net (Mary Pelikan)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:50:00 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Can not install the tool bar
Message-ID: <000001c75b69$4133dc80$4101a8c0@mary>

I have down loaded spambayes.  I saved the program then ran the program with
the installation wizard.  The program seems to be installed however I do not
get a tool bar on my outlook menu bar. 

I had previously had spambayes installed and it worked fine until there was
a problem with something I do not know what but it said that I had to
deactivate spambayes to fix it.

I do not see anything in the FAQ about the tool bars.  Please help me I get
a lot of spam and it is hampering my life.

Mary Pelikan
President

Architectural Lighting Consultants, Inc.
7104 Cedar Street
Wauwatosa, Wi 53213

T 414 870 2126
F 414 771 1924
E mpelikan at archlighting.net 

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From jsp at PKC.com  Wed Feb 28 20:32:46 2007
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:32:46 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes help question
In-Reply-To: <000801c75b66$43508250$fa00a8c0@TLF.TLF>
References: <000801c75b66$43508250$fa00a8c0@TLF.TLF>
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9054F53EA@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

Perhaps the FAQ will help:
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#some-of-my-mail-is-going-missi
ng.

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From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]
On Behalf Of Brad Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:29 PM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes help question


How do I find a email that Spam erroneously removed from the Inbox
folder.? btaylor at tlfatlanta.com
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From sarcasticassassin at gmail.com  Wed Feb 28 21:56:56 2007
From: sarcasticassassin at gmail.com (Douglas Thomas Hayden)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:56:56 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes 1.0.4 or 1.1a3 won't install,
	tried all mentioned fixes
Message-ID: <1e6695730702281256r6a52147bxb65485cac16efb8@mail.gmail.com>

here's the scoop:

Win XP Media Center Edition 2005
Outlook 2003
SpamBayes 1.0.4 *working*

....give to client...... (first mistake)

Managed to uninstall SpamBayes, leaving the toolbar in place (fixed per your
instructions).  When I tried to find the addin.py file (or close to that) to
run --unregister, couldn't find it.

Flushed out every trace of SpamBayes I could find (with help from Google
searches):  c:\docs&settings\<user>\Application data;
c:\ProgramFiles\SpamBayes; searching on 'spambayes', 'bayes', & 'spam' in
registry; etc.  Still wouldn't install SpamBayes.

Next I assumed that Outlook 2003 was broken (possible), and that it wouldn't
allow *any* COM add-ins.  So I downloaded and installed AttachmentOptions.
It installed fine, and added its tab to the 'Tools' | 'Options' menu.

When I run the SpamBayes installer, it runs fine to completion.  One odd
quirk, though:  It doesn't fill in the checkbox to 'register this plug-in
for all users.'

How am I being stupid, and is it possible to correct it?

Thanks In Advance,

Doug Hayden
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From sarcasticassassin at gmail.com  Wed Feb 28 22:58:44 2007
From: sarcasticassassin at gmail.com (Douglas Thomas Hayden)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:58:44 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Log for install
Message-ID: <1e6695730702281358p7939f216h54574b188a41784b@mail.gmail.com>

Here's the log for an install after an uninstall (that didn't go clean,
somehow the user did it even though "she didn't do anything").

I've tried all the info I've found via Google searches (as mentioned in my
last email, before I noticed that you wanted a log file)...one moment and
I'll grab that and paste it in....


here's the scoop:

Win XP Media Center Edition 2005
Outlook 2003
SpamBayes 1.0.4 *working*

....give to client...... (first mistake)

User managed to uninstall SpamBayes, leaving the toolbar in place (fixed per
your instructions).  When I tried to find the addin.py file (or close to
that) to run --unregister, couldn't find it.

Flushed out every trace of SpamBayes I could find (with help from Google
searches):  c:\docs&settings\<user>\Application data;
c:\ProgramFiles\SpamBayes; searching on 'spambayes', 'bayes', & 'spam' in
registry; etc.  Still wouldn't install SpamBayes.

Next I assumed that Outlook 2003 was broken (possible), and that it wouldn't
allow *any* COM add-ins.  So I downloaded and installed AttachmentOptions.
It installed fine, and added its tab to the 'Tools' | 'Options' menu.

When I run the SpamBayes installer, it runs fine to completion.  One odd
quirk, though:  It doesn't fill in the checkbox to 'register this plug-in
for all users.'

How am I being stupid, and is it possible to correct it?

Thanks In Advance,

Doug Hayden
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2007-02-28 16:32:17   Log opened.
2007-02-28 16:32:17   Setup version: Inno Setup version 5.1.5
2007-02-28 16:32:17   Original Setup EXE: C:\downloads\software\spambayes\spambayes-1.1a3.exe
2007-02-28 16:32:17   Setup command line: /SL4 $1D03DA "C:\downloads\software\spambayes\spambayes-1.1a3.exe" 4327534 52224 /LOG
2007-02-28 16:32:17   Windows version: 5.01.2600 SP2  (NT platform: Yes)
2007-02-28 16:32:17   64-bit Windows: No
2007-02-28 16:32:17   Processor architecture: x86
2007-02-28 16:32:17   User privileges: Administrative
2007-02-28 16:32:17   64-bit install mode: No
2007-02-28 16:32:17   Created temporary directory: C:\DOCUME~1\Owner\LOCALS~1\Temp\is-LCDU8.tmp
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Starting the installation process.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Creating directory: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Directory for uninstall files: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes
2007-02-28 16:32:35   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\unins000.exe
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Time stamp of our file: 2007-02-28 16:32:17.187
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\sbicon.ico
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Time stamp of our file: 2003-12-18 04:41:00.000
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\LICENSE.txt
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Time stamp of our file: 2006-08-25 11:59:56.000
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\bz2.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Time stamp of our file: 2005-11-11 15:48:12.000
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Creating directory: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\cPersistence.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Time stamp of our file: 2006-07-03 12:35:44.000
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\cPickleCache.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Time stamp of our file: 2006-07-03 12:35:46.000
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\mapi.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Time stamp of our file: 2006-07-16 21:25:10.000
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\perfmon.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Time stamp of our file: 2006-07-16 21:15:22.000
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\pyexpat.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Time stamp of our file: 2006-06-21 21:14:04.000
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\pythoncom24.dll
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Time stamp of our file: 2006-07-16 21:23:36.000
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\pywintypes24.dll
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Time stamp of our file: 2006-07-16 21:15:14.000
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\select.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Time stamp of our file: 2006-06-21 21:14:06.000
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\servicemanager.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Time stamp of our file: 2006-07-16 21:23:12.000
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:35   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\shell.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-08-03 08:39:10.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\spambayes.modules
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-08-24 23:19:08.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\timer.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-07-16 21:15:24.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\TimeStamp.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-07-03 12:35:46.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\unicodedata.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-06-21 21:18:52.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\win32api.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-08-02 22:45:54.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\win32clipboard.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-07-16 21:15:42.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\win32event.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-07-16 21:15:40.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\win32evtlog.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-07-16 21:15:42.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\win32gui.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-07-16 21:23:06.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\win32process.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-07-16 21:16:00.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\win32service.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-07-16 21:22:54.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\win32trace.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-07-16 21:22:56.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\winsound.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-06-21 21:14:06.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\zlib.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-06-21 21:18:52.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\_bsddb.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-06-21 21:18:58.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\_imaging.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2005-03-28 19:48:54.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\_imagingft.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2005-03-28 19:48:56.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\_imagingtk.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2005-03-28 19:48:56.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\_OOBTree.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-07-03 12:35:44.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\_socket.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-06-21 21:18:58.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\_ssl.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-08-09 16:33:38.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\_win32sysloader.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-07-16 21:23:04.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\_zope_interface_coptimizations.pyd
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-07-03 12:35:48.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\python24.dll
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-06-21 21:14:02.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Creating directory: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\msvcr71.dll
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2003-02-21 23:42:22.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\languages\DIALOGS\es\messages.mo
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2005-04-07 14:13:02.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Creating directory: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\languages
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Creating directory: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\languages\DIALOGS
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Creating directory: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\languages\DIALOGS\es
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\languages\DIALOGS\es_AR\messages.mo
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2005-04-07 14:13:02.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Creating directory: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\languages\DIALOGS\es_AR
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\outlook_addin.dll
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-08-24 23:19:08.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\outlook_addin_register.exe
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-08-24 23:19:08.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\outlook_dump_props.exe
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2006-08-24 23:19:08.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs\outlook\about.html
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2005-06-21 12:42:34.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Creating directory: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Creating directory: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs\outlook
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs\outlook\docs\configuration.html
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2005-06-21 12:42:34.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Creating directory: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs\outlook\docs
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs\outlook\docs\troubleshooting.html
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2005-06-21 12:42:34.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs\outlook\docs\welcome.html
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2005-06-21 12:42:36.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs\outlook\docs\images\field_chooser_after.jpg
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2003-03-17 12:09:26.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Creating directory: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs\outlook\docs\images
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs\outlook\docs\images\field_chooser_new_field.jpg
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2003-03-17 12:08:44.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs\outlook\docs\images\manager-select.jpg
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2005-06-21 12:42:36.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs\outlook\docs\images\manager.jpg
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2003-08-10 17:07:24.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs\outlook\docs\images\python.jpg
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2003-08-30 01:18:22.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs\outlook\docs\images\sblogo.jpg
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2003-08-30 10:03:46.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs\outlook\docs\images\span.jpg
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Time stamp of our file: 2003-08-30 01:18:22.000
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:36   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:37   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs\outlook\docs\images\training.jpg
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Time stamp of our file: 2003-03-17 12:03:22.000
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:37   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs\outlook\docs\welcome.html
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Time stamp of our file: 2005-06-21 12:42:36.000
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Dest file exists.
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Time stamp of existing file: 2005-06-21 12:42:36.000
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Version of our file: (none)
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Version of existing file: (none)
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:37   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\default_bayes_customize.ini
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Time stamp of our file: 2003-12-14 22:11:48.000
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:37   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\convert_database.exe
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Time stamp of our file: 2006-08-24 23:19:08.000
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:37   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\ocrad.exe
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Time stamp of our file: 2006-08-25 11:54:04.000
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:37   -- File entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Dest filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs\ocrad.patch
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Time stamp of our file: 2006-08-25 12:03:56.000
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Installing the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Successfully installed the file.
2007-02-28 16:32:37   -- Icon entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Filename: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\SpamBayes\SpamBayes Outlook Addin\About SpamBayes.lnk
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Creating directory: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\SpamBayes
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Creating directory: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\SpamBayes\SpamBayes Outlook Addin
2007-02-28 16:32:37   -- Icon entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Filename: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\SpamBayes\SpamBayes Outlook Addin\Troubleshooting Guide.lnk
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Installation process succeeded.
2007-02-28 16:32:37   -- Run entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Type: Exec
2007-02-28 16:32:37   Filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\outlook_addin_register.exe
2007-02-28 16:32:38   Process exit code: 0
2007-02-28 16:32:38   -- Run entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:38   Type: Exec
2007-02-28 16:32:38   Filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\outlook_addin_register.exe
2007-02-28 16:32:38   Parameters: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE
2007-02-28 16:32:38   Process exit code: 0
2007-02-28 16:32:38   Need to restart Windows? No
2007-02-28 16:32:40   -- Run entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:40   Type: ShellExec
2007-02-28 16:32:40   Filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\docs\outlook\docs\welcome.html
2007-02-28 16:32:41   -- Run entry --
2007-02-28 16:32:41   Type: Exec
2007-02-28 16:32:41   Filename: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\convert_database.exe
2007-02-28 16:32:43   Process exit code: 255
2007-02-28 16:32:43   Deinitializing Setup.
2007-02-28 16:32:43   Log closed.