From pkrantz1 at nycap.rr.com Mon Oct 2 18:55:05 2006 From: pkrantz1 at nycap.rr.com (Phillip Krantz) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:55:05 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Does SpamBayes make any functions... Message-ID: <007801c6e643$83a258d0$2202a8c0@hesterloli.com> Public in its dll with VBA? Which I am assuming is outlook_addin.dll. I tried to do this in Outlook 2000 SP1: Public Sub Collection() Dim oObj As Object Dim oCOMs as COMAddIns Set oObj = oCOMs.Item(4).Object ' I have 4 Addins MshBox oObj.DLLName.InelliSense ' Error End Sub I need to determine when the COM finishes so I can initiate my RemoveNewMailIcon sub. Thanks. Phillip Krantz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061002/79d958c6/attachment.html From e_mitchell22 at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 2 21:43:26 2006 From: e_mitchell22 at sbcglobal.net (Ellery D. Mitchell) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:43:26 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] TOOLBAR INACTIVE Message-ID: Hello, I my SpamBays has stopped working all of a sudden. There is no "spambays.log" files (I did a HD search). My Windows version is WinXP-SP2, the version of SpamBayes is v1.0.4. Here is the error I receive when I open Outlook 2003 I follow the instructions in the error dialog, but the SpamBayes toolbar buttons are still inoperative. If I close Outlook after enabling SpamBayes as outlined in the error dialog, it simply repeats the error. I have also tried the procedure listed below from your website to no avail: Addin doesn't load If you start Outlook but there was no error message, the SpamBayes toolbar items do not work and new messages have no Spam score or filtering applied, then the plugin has probably become disabled. * Check the log file. If a log file for this session exists, then see if it contains an error. If not, check the date and time of the log - it is probably a log from the last time it did work, so is no help to us. If a log does exist, please report a bug. * Check that Outlook shows the addin as enabled. 1. Start Outlook, and select Tools->Options to display the main Options dialog. 2. Select the tab labeled Other, then click on the Advanced button. 3. Click on the COM Add-Ins button. 4. If the SpamBayes addin is not listed, then SpamBayes should be reinstalled (Note that running regsvr32.exe outlook_addin.dll or outlook_addin_register.exe from the SpamBayes directory may also solve this problem). 5. If the SpamBayes addin is listed but not checked, then simply check it and close the dialog. * If you are running Outlook XP/2002/2003, you may find that if you go back to the dialog, the addin will still be unselected. In this case, perform the following: 1. Go to Help->About Microsoft Outlook. 2. Click the Disabled Items button. 3. Select SpamBayes. 4. Click Enable. 5. Restart Outlook. If you are running from source code, the addin will not appear in the above steps. Please re-register the addin, as per the README.txt file. If none of that works, I am stumped! Ellery D. Mitchell C310.897.7100 eMail e_mitchell22 at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061002/3e7f5ea0/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For non-technical users such as myself, step-by-step instructions would be much appreciated also. Many thanks for providing such a wonderful piece of software. It really works! Anthony Anthony Flesch Flesch, Pritchard & Peebler, Inc. (FP?) Integrated Marketing Communications (928) 203-9419 www.fp2marketing.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061003/c361049e/attachment.htm From anthony at fp2marketing.com Wed Oct 4 18:23:13 2006 From: anthony at fp2marketing.com (Anthony Flesch) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:23:13 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Installation trouble Message-ID: <008801c6e7d1$65a6d010$6701a8c0@DX2200> Hi, I went to install Spambayes on my new computer (have successfully installed twice before) but couldn't get it to work. When I clicked "download" from a "mirror" (what's that?) I got a VERY brief status bar, a sound, and nothing further that I could see to help me take the installation any further. I'm trying to download and install the Outlook plugin for Outlook 2003, running on Windows XP Pro. Your help is much appreciated. Anthony Flesch Flesch, Pritchard & Peebler, Inc. (FP?) Integrated Marketing Communications (928) 203-9419 www.fp2marketing.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061004/e49865c1/attachment.htm From amedee at amedee.be Thu Oct 5 00:00:25 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:00:25 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] error in sb_server.py In-Reply-To: <43591.82.146.101.169.1159173616.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <43591.82.146.101.169.1159173616.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <1159999225.12437.0.camel@saruman.telenet.be> another *bump* (sorry) Op ma, 25-09-2006 te 10:40 +0200, schreef Amedee Van Gasse: > I have the following bash script for getting the spambayes stats: > > #!/bin/sh > # > sb_server.py 1>/dev/null & > sleep .5 > elinks -source http://localhost:8880 | grep am: | html2text > pkill sb_server.py 2>&1 > > > Since a few days, I get the following error: > > amedee at elbereth { ~ }$ ./spamstats > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 104, in ? > import spambayes.message > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 220, > in ? > msginfoDB = MessageInfoPickle(message_info_db_name) > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 148, > in __init__ > self.load() > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 160, > in load > self.db = pickle.load(fp) > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/pickle.py", line 1390, in load > return Unpickler(file).load() > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/pickle.py", line 872, in load > dispatch[key](self) > KeyError: '\x00' > ELinks: Connection refused > > > Same error when I just run "sb_server.py". > > > What's wrong here? > From richie at entrian.com Thu Oct 5 00:25:50 2006 From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 23:25:50 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] error in sb_server.py In-Reply-To: <1159999225.12437.0.camel@saruman.telenet.be> References: <43591.82.146.101.169.1159173616.squirrel@amedee.be> <1159999225.12437.0.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Message-ID: Hi Amedee, > KeyError: '\x00' This has come up before, and Tony gave this advice: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2005-February/016259.html Is that any help? -- Richie Hindle richie at entrian.com From david at ZATZ.com Thu Oct 5 08:35:47 2006 From: david at ZATZ.com (David Gewirtz) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 02:35:47 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Delete as Spam doesn't work regularly any more Message-ID: <0c8d01c6e848$7e463ee0$6001a8c0@zatzdg1> We've been using and recommending SpamBayes for quite some time and it's performed quite well. However, we've recently found that if we click "Delete As Spam" on some messages in the inbox that scored low in filtering, the messages no longer transfer to our spam folders. I've noticed this on my machine, and possibly, coincidentally, a co-worker noticed it on her machine. Is this a new kind of spam, something known and broken, something we're doing wrong, or something new that needs a detailed bug report? I'm pretty much out of ideas. Thanks in advance. -- David P.S. I get a HUGE amount of spam daily, more than 7000 messages a day, so I'm wondering if I'm just overwhelming the system. From jsp at PKC.com Thu Oct 5 17:53:33 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:53:33 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Delete as Spam doesn't work regularly any more In-Reply-To: <0c8d01c6e848$7e463ee0$6001a8c0@zatzdg1> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04ABE@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Could this be bug 899839 (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=899839&group_i d=61702&atid=498103)? -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of David Gewirtz Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 2:36 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Delete as Spam doesn't work regularly any more We've been using and recommending SpamBayes for quite some time and it's performed quite well. However, we've recently found that if we click "Delete As Spam" on some messages in the inbox that scored low in filtering, the messages no longer transfer to our spam folders. I've noticed this on my machine, and possibly, coincidentally, a co-worker noticed it on her machine. Is this a new kind of spam, something known and broken, something we're doing wrong, or something new that needs a detailed bug report? I'm pretty much out of ideas. Thanks in advance. -- David P.S. I get a HUGE amount of spam daily, more than 7000 messages a day, so I'm wondering if I'm just overwhelming the system. _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From robert at imagine.co.uk Sat Oct 7 12:54:29 2006 From: robert at imagine.co.uk (Robert Neuschul) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:54:29 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Clean reinstall on Windows server not working as expected Message-ID: Hi I've just rebuilt our 2003 server and done a clean install of the Windows binary version of SB. Having browsed the web site docs I can't find anything to explain the behaviour I'm seeing. We're not running the SMTP proxy, only a POP proxy. There are therefore no SMTP "train as" addresses set. The ini file reflects these settings. I also have the SB system configured to notate to for spam/unsure, and to classify subject headers only for spam. However still SB insists on adding "unsure at spambayes.invalid" as an address to all messages about which it is unsure. I'm fairly sure that the older [nonbinary] version I used to use permitted one to control what addresses were added and what wording was added to subject and X headers etc via ini settings, but I can't find any documentation in the current version that supports this. I'm probably being quite blind here. I really need to a] prevent SB adding unecessary addresses to the To: headers and b] manage /what/ is added to the subject line. Suggestions or pointers welcomed. Footnote on an issue you may want to know about: if one has a proxy service installed on a 2000/2003 server, with SB Tray Icon set to open on login, and one is using Windows Terminal Services or Remote Desktop to connect to the target machine then in most cases [unless one makes special effort to do otherwise] one is connecting to Console 1 rather than Console 0. That means that there's a new instance of the Tray Icon starting up as one logs in; the SB Tray app /really/ does not like a 2nd instance of itself running and will report that the SB service is not running when it /is/ running correctly. If one mistakenly attempts to 'start' the service from the tray icon one gets a lengthy timeout eventually followed by an error that the service could not be started. TIA Robert From RPietr at aol.com Thu Oct 12 02:43:52 2006 From: RPietr at aol.com (RPietr at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:43:52 EDT Subject: [Spambayes] Re: important data Message-ID: <3c1.d99b15e.325ee9c8@aol.com> what is my memberID and password for sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061011/cd7cf6e7/attachment.html From jjdpscm at ywcaofdarwin.org.au Thu Oct 12 08:27:35 2006 From: jjdpscm at ywcaofdarwin.org.au (Clare) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:57:35 +0930 Subject: [Spambayes] can't get recover from spam Message-ID: <003a01c6edc7$81e485f0$0400000a@jjdpscm> I no longer have the recover from spam icon ap[pearing when I check suspected spam. How do I get it back? Clare McHugh Von Stieglitz Senior Case Manager Juvenile Justice Diversion Program - YWCA 08 8928 0588 0413790442 The email message and any attachments are confidential. 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Message-ID: I just want to let you know how awesome your program is. Thanks, Sal -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.3/295 - Release Date: 3/28/2006 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061012/8fda22fc/attachment.html From sethg at goodmanassociates.com Thu Oct 12 16:34:51 2006 From: sethg at goodmanassociates.com (Seth Goodman) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:34:51 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] message rules In-Reply-To: <000101c6e2cf$aaf2bbe0$1100a8c0@Andy> Message-ID: Andrew Russell wrote on Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:28 AM -0500: > I am having difficulty with just one aspect of my spambayes setup, > that being where I have filtering for message rules. It appears that > any message that meets the requirements of my message rule avoids the > attention on spambayes. This is by design, due to limitations of the Outlook programming interface. I didn't write the code, but I am aware that Outlook makes it difficult for add-in applications to get reliable notification of incoming mail events at a specific time relative to processing Outlook rules. Sometimes you get notification at the end of rules processing, while other times it occurs while the rules are still running. To get consistent behavior, SpamBayes has a timer that delays evaluating a message for a couple of seconds after its arrival, to insure that Outlook rules finish first. Though the delay can be annoying, if you have accumulated a large amount if incoming mail, it actually works in your favor. Most of the mail you identify in rules is either from mailing lists or has other criteria that make it unlikely to be spam in the first place. There is not much benefit in training SpamBayes to recognize this mail, as simple Outlook rules can do it reliably. By reducing the amount of mail SpamBayes has to classify, it can do a better job. For example, most of my incoming traffic is from mailing lists. Most of the lists already have spam filters (not this one, since it includes spam samples). If my Outlook rules remove all the list messages, the mail flow left for SpamBayes is personal correspondence. By not including these list messages in SpamBayes' training set, there is a wide variety of language that SpamBayes doesn't have to learn is ham. It can "concentrate" on learning the language style of my personal correspondents, and can thus more easily discern spam. -- Seth Goodman From calvin.veltman at rosemet.com Thu Oct 12 19:29:22 2006 From: calvin.veltman at rosemet.com (Calvin Veltman) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:29:22 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations Message-ID: <000d01c6ee23$f4cf9a30$0300a8c0@RMPC.LOCAL> Hi, I've been getting lots of supposed scoops on cheap stocks (19 cents) which are supposed to skyrocket tomorrow. Spambayes had not been able to filter these out although it has done wonders with Viagra, cheap drugs, etc. So I decided to reconfigure the software by accumlating hundreds of Emails with this cheap stock junk included. After retraining, it has still not been able to detect the junk stock emails. Any suggestions? Thank you, cv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am a native Dutch speaker so 99% of emails I get in English are spam, while 99.999% Dutch emails are ham. That could also explain why spambayes catches the junk stocks for me. Are they text-only, html or image mails? I have seen a lot of cheap stock spam lately, with inline images and no text at all. There isn't much to train on... spambayes can't read images. I have explored the possibility of ocr-ing every incoming image so spambayes can generate more trainable tokens, but it doesn't seem worth the effort or the overhead. (see mailing list archive a couple of months ago) If you're good with linux shell scripting/procmail/python, you can try some experiments yourself. -- Amedee Van Gasse From starpilot at sol3.net Thu Oct 12 19:45:24 2006 From: starpilot at sol3.net (Keith Barrows [StarPilot]) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:45:24 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations In-Reply-To: <000d01c6ee23$f4cf9a30$0300a8c0@RMPC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <010001c6ee26$35d70610$a900160a@sol3.int> +1 I do know, from looking inside the email, that these use an imbedded image and a whole bunch of garbage text below the image that changes with every message. SpamBayes does not look at imbedded images so each message gets a more ham than spam weight and is not picked up. I would venture to say these messages were designed to defeat SpamBayes... -- kb _____ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Calvin Veltman Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 11:29 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations Hi, I've been getting lots of supposed scoops on cheap stocks (19 cents) which are supposed to skyrocket tomorrow. Spambayes had not been able to filter these out although it has done wonders with Viagra, cheap drugs, etc. So I decided to reconfigure the software by accumlating hundreds of Emails with this cheap stock junk included. After retraining, it has still not been able to detect the junk stock emails. Any suggestions? Thank you, cv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You might want to try the 1.1a3 release: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=61702&package_id=58141&release_id=442102 It includes code to extract text from image spam such as the pump-n-dump stock spams. Skip From rickfriedman at verizon.net Thu Oct 12 21:35:56 2006 From: rickfriedman at verizon.net (Rick Friedman) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:35:56 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Error Running sb_server.py version 1.1a3 Message-ID: <1160681756.20553.3.camel@chisum> I figured I'd try the alpha version (1.1a3). I'm running Suse 10.1. I downloaded the source tarball, extracted it and ran python setup.py install. It ran without error. Upon running /usr/local/bin/sb_server.py, I received the following error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "scripts/sb_server.py", line 110, in ? from spambayes import i18n ImportError: cannot import name i18n As a result, sb_server.py does not run. Anyone have any idea how I can solve this problem?? Is there some other pythin module I need to have installed? Thanks, Rick -- Rick's Law: What cannot be imagined will be accomplished by a fool. PGP Key Id: 9E1125E0 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061012/9c9f91b0/attachment.pgp From skip at pobox.com Thu Oct 12 22:17:39 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:17:39 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Error Running sb_server.py version 1.1a3 In-Reply-To: <1160681756.20553.3.camel@chisum> References: <1160681756.20553.3.camel@chisum> Message-ID: <17710.41699.634058.163591@montanaro.dyndns.org> Rick> Traceback (most recent call last): Rick> File "scripts/sb_server.py", line 110, in ? Rick> from spambayes import i18n Rick> ImportError: cannot import name i18n The relative path to sb_server.py seems a bit suspicious to me. What if you just try "sb_server.py"? What does which sb_server.py (executed at the shell prompt) return? >From an interactive python interpreter can you import spambayes If so, can you import spambayes.i18n ? If you can do the first but not the second, check spambayes.__file__ and look in the Rick> Anyone have any idea how I can solve this problem?? Is there some Rick> other pythin module I need to have installed? Not that I'm aware of. There is an i18n module inside the spambayes package. Seems to me like you're somehow not running what you installed. Skip From al at rtlogic.com Thu Oct 12 22:08:46 2006 From: al at rtlogic.com (Al Andzik) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:08:46 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes stopped working and now can't be uninstalled to reinstall Message-ID: <000001c6ee3a$39582670$eb00010a@alslaptop> I'm running Windows XP Pro and have been using Spambayes for years. Recently, the software stopped moving files and I couldn't manually move them to my junk folders either. I thought maybe a reload of the software would fix the problem. I did an uninstall using Add/Remove Programs but the toolbar buttons weren't removed. I then did a reinstall and tried to manually move mail but nothing happens. I done several uninstalls and reinstalls and cleaned Spambayes referenced items from the registry but to no avail. The toolbar icons remain and do nothing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061012/64fcdd73/attachment.htm From shadowru at comcast.net Fri Oct 13 00:53:11 2006 From: shadowru at comcast.net (Rich U) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:53:11 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Message-ID: <000001c6ee51$34a83b80$6302a8c0@abct7z22vft8bv> Does anyone know if SpamBayes is being updated? Is development still in going on? The latest version v1.04 for Outlook has started causing problems after a long period of trouble-free operation. I had to delete it from the addin list in Outlook. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3092 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061012/08a92e96/attachment.bin From skip at pobox.com Fri Oct 13 02:02:03 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:02:03 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <000001c6ee51$34a83b80$6302a8c0@abct7z22vft8bv> References: <000001c6ee51$34a83b80$6302a8c0@abct7z22vft8bv> Message-ID: <17710.55163.967741.814261@montanaro.dyndns.org> Rich> Does anyone know if SpamBayes is being updated? Is development Rich> still in going on? Yes. Yes. I've seen three messages today that suggest people don't know there is a new version available to try: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=61702&package_id=58141&release_id=442102 http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki/TryOutThePreRelease The release contains both an Windows installer as well as a normal source distribution. Skip From skip at pobox.com Fri Oct 13 05:20:43 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:20:43 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations In-Reply-To: <000001c6ee66$280f6410$0300a8c0@RMPC.LOCAL> References: <17710.33463.655963.653257@montanaro.dyndns.org> <000001c6ee66$280f6410$0300a8c0@RMPC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <17711.1547.741607.724345@montanaro.dyndns.org> (Please keep the list in your replies, especially in this case as I'm not a Windows user.) Calvin> I'm running XP Pro and my release is the 1.1a3 release. It just Calvin> isn't picking up the info it needs. Can you be more specific about not "picking up the info it needs"? I believe there is an ocrad.exe file in the Windows installer. Does it wind up somewhere on your PATH? Do you have PIL installed? Skip From amedee at amedee.be Fri Oct 13 08:45:42 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:45:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] Error Running sb_server.py version 1.1a3 In-Reply-To: <17710.41699.634058.163591@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <1160681756.20553.3.camel@chisum> <17710.41699.634058.163591@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <36823.82.146.101.169.1160721942.squirrel@amedee.be> On Thu, October 12, 2006 22:17, skip at pobox.com said: > > Rick> Traceback (most recent call last): > Rick> File "scripts/sb_server.py", line 110, in ? > Rick> from spambayes import i18n > Rick> ImportError: cannot import name i18n > > The relative path to sb_server.py seems a bit suspicious to me. What if > you > just try "sb_server.py"? What does > > which sb_server.py > > (executed at the shell prompt) return? > >>From an interactive python interpreter can you > > import spambayes > > If so, can you > > import spambayes.i18n > > ? If you can do the first but not the second, check > > spambayes.__file__ > > and look in the > > Rick> Anyone have any idea how I can solve this problem?? Is there > some > Rick> other pythin module I need to have installed? > > Not that I'm aware of. There is an i18n module inside the spambayes > package. Seems to me like you're somehow not running what you installed. > > Skip I followed your instructions for my own error (see mailing list archives a couple of weeks ago, still unsolved) and got this: amedee at elbereth { ~ }$ which sb_server.py /usr/bin/sb_server.py amedee at elbereth { ~ }$ python Python 2.3.5 (#2, Sep 4 2005, 22:01:42) [GCC 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import spambayes >>> import spambayes.message Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in ? File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 220, in ? msginfoDB = MessageInfoPickle(message_info_db_name) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 148, in __init__ self.load() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 160, in load self.db = pickle.load(fp) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/pickle.py", line 1390, in load return Unpickler(file).load() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/pickle.py", line 872, in load dispatch[key](self) KeyError: '\x00' What should I do next? -- Amedee Van Gasse From bill.louis at gmail.com Fri Oct 13 10:44:42 2006 From: bill.louis at gmail.com (Louis Wang) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:44:42 +0800 Subject: [Spambayes] Ask for spam... In-Reply-To: <21ae1b060610130003m128bcae7qc82dc9658c6ce8c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <21ae1b060610130003m128bcae7qc82dc9658c6ce8c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21ae1b060610130144o289885cfob99ed5404c822396@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guys: I'm doing research on AntiSpam personally, I need a lot of spam samples. I have try a lot to incur spam, but to now, I can only get about 300 spam per day. Could anybody kind to help me with spam collection? I use clt at wang-labs.com to collect spam. Please send as many spam as possible to that mailbox. Or if you have spam archive, please send them to me to bill.louis at gmail.com. Thanks in Advance! -- http://www.wang-labs.com mailto:clt at wang-labs.com From skip at pobox.com Fri Oct 13 13:28:03 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:28:03 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Error Running sb_server.py version 1.1a3 In-Reply-To: <36823.82.146.101.169.1160721942.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <1160681756.20553.3.camel@chisum> <17710.41699.634058.163591@montanaro.dyndns.org> <36823.82.146.101.169.1160721942.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <17711.30787.496856.434872@montanaro.dyndns.org> Amedee> I followed your instructions for my own error (see mailing list Amedee> archives a couple of weeks ago, still unsolved) and got this: Amedee> amedee at elbereth { ~ }$ which sb_server.py Amedee> /usr/bin/sb_server.py Amedee> amedee at elbereth { ~ }$ python Amedee> Python 2.3.5 (#2, Sep 4 2005, 22:01:42) Amedee> [GCC 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)] on linux2 Amedee> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>>> import spambayes >>>> import spambayes.message Amedee> Traceback (most recent call last): Amedee> File "", line 1, in ? Amedee> File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 220, Amedee> in ? Amedee> msginfoDB = MessageInfoPickle(message_info_db_name) Amedee> File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 148, Amedee> in __init__ Amedee> self.load() Amedee> File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 160, Amedee> in load Amedee> self.db = pickle.load(fp) Amedee> File "/usr/lib/python2.3/pickle.py", line 1390, in load Amedee> return Unpickler(file).load() Amedee> File "/usr/lib/python2.3/pickle.py", line 872, in load Amedee> dispatch[key](self) Amedee> KeyError: '\x00' Amedee> What should I do next? I'm not sure. What version of SpamBayes are you running? The imports work for me: % which sb_server.py /Users/skip/local/bin/sb_server.py % python Python 2.6a0 (trunk:52218, Oct 7 2006, 07:08:10) [GCC 4.0.0 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5026)] on darwin Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import spambayes >>> import spambayes.message >>> Since it appears you're trying to load an sb_server message info database, I wonder if removing it (or renaming it) will get you past this particular bump in the road. Alternatively, it may be that you've hit a bug that's been fixed in a more recent version. If removing the file doesn't work, you could upgrade. Skip From ndarling at verizon.net Fri Oct 13 14:36:03 2006 From: ndarling at verizon.net (Nancy Darling) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:36:03 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] uninstall spambayes Message-ID: <000801c6eec4$26059aa0$2f01a8c0@Nancy> Clear DayPlease, please help! I have been trying to uninstall SpamBayes for several hours, with no success. I installed version 1.0.4, and I used the Add/Remove programs option in the control panel to uninstall it. After removal, I got a message "some elements not removed; can be done manually." I did a search for Spambaye files (there are many left on my computer), and attempted to delete them. Got a message "cannot delete file; cannot read from the source file or disk." I also get a message saying that the program is running and must be shut down, but I have been unable to find where it is running. My tray icon is "off". Thank you for any assistance you can give me. Nancy Darling -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061013/3246374a/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 5675 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061013/3246374a/attachment.jpe From calvin.veltman at rosemet.com Fri Oct 13 15:28:30 2006 From: calvin.veltman at rosemet.com (Calvin Veltman) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:28:30 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations In-Reply-To: <17711.1547.741607.724345@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <001b01c6eecb$79757370$0300a8c0@RMPC.LOCAL> Skip, I'm not don't have answers to anyt of your questions below. Where would I find Path info? If ocrad.exe is there, is that good or bad? What is PIL? I'm going to send you a sample of the sollicitations I receive. Maybe that will help. Calvin -----Original Message----- From: skip at pobox.com [mailto:skip at pobox.com] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 11:21 PM To: Calvin Veltman Cc: spambayes at python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations (Please keep the list in your replies, especially in this case as I'm not a Windows user.) Calvin> I'm running XP Pro and my release is the 1.1a3 release. It just Calvin> isn't picking up the info it needs. Can you be more specific about not "picking up the info it needs"? I believe there is an ocrad.exe file in the Windows installer. Does it wind up somewhere on your PATH? Do you have PIL installed? Skip From amedee at amedee.be Fri Oct 13 15:52:28 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:52:28 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] Error Running sb_server.py version 1.1a3 In-Reply-To: <17711.30787.496856.434872@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <1160681756.20553.3.camel@chisum> <17710.41699.634058.163591@montanaro.dyndns.org> <36823.82.146.101.169.1160721942.squirrel@amedee.be> <17711.30787.496856.434872@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <34556.82.146.101.169.1160747548.squirrel@amedee.be> On Fri, October 13, 2006 13:28, skip at pobox.com said: > > Amedee> I followed your instructions for my own error (see mailing > list > Amedee> archives a couple of weeks ago, still unsolved) and got this: > > Amedee> amedee at elbereth { ~ }$ which sb_server.py > Amedee> /usr/bin/sb_server.py > Amedee> amedee at elbereth { ~ }$ python > Amedee> Python 2.3.5 (#2, Sep 4 2005, 22:01:42) > Amedee> [GCC 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)] on linux2 > Amedee> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more > information. > >>>> import spambayes > >>>> import spambayes.message > Amedee> Traceback (most recent call last): > Amedee> File "", line 1, in ? > Amedee> File > "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 220, > Amedee> in ? > Amedee> msginfoDB = MessageInfoPickle(message_info_db_name) > Amedee> File > "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 148, > Amedee> in __init__ > Amedee> self.load() > Amedee> File > "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 160, > Amedee> in load > Amedee> self.db = pickle.load(fp) > Amedee> File "/usr/lib/python2.3/pickle.py", line 1390, in load > Amedee> return Unpickler(file).load() > Amedee> File "/usr/lib/python2.3/pickle.py", line 872, in load > Amedee> dispatch[key](self) > Amedee> KeyError: '\x00' > > Amedee> What should I do next? > > I'm not sure. What version of SpamBayes are you running? I'm using the version that came with Debian: amedee at elbereth { ~ }$ sudo aptitude show spambayes Password: Package: spambayes State: installed Automatically installed: no Version: 1.0.3-1 Priority: optional Section: mail Maintainer: Alexandre Fayolle Uncompressed Size: 1315k Depends: python (>= 2.3), python (< 2.4) Conflicts: python2.3-spambayes Replaces: python2.3-spambayes Description: Python-based spam filter using statistical analysis SpamBayes uses a different set of algorithm to most statistical spam filters, which enables to dramatically lower the number of legitimate mail classified as spam, through the introduction of an 'unsure' category. SpamBayes can be used as a POP3 or an IMAP proxy, as well as a simple mail filter for use with procmail. Homepage: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net > The imports work for me: > > % which sb_server.py > /Users/skip/local/bin/sb_server.py > % python > Python 2.6a0 (trunk:52218, Oct 7 2006, 07:08:10) > [GCC 4.0.0 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5026)] on darwin > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > >>> import spambayes > >>> import spambayes.message > >>> > > Since it appears you're trying to load an sb_server message info database, > I > wonder if removing it (or renaming it) will get you past this particular > bump in the road. How do I do that? I mean, I know how to rm or rename a file, but which file and where? > Alternatively, it may be that you've hit a bug that's been fixed in a more > recent version. If removing the file doesn't work, you could upgrade. Unlikely, because it used to work. But I'll try an upgrade, when I find out which file to delete. -- Amedee From veltman.calvin at uqam.ca Fri Oct 13 15:28:59 2006 From: veltman.calvin at uqam.ca (Calvin UQAM) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:28:59 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: defrost allegation Message-ID: <001c01c6eecb$8a475420$0300a8c0@RMPC.LOCAL> _____ From: Leopold Barr [mailto:qmz at lawton574.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:19 AM To: veltman.calvin at uqam.ca Subject: defrost allegation Flat Screen TV, contemporary furniture and window treatments! David has entertained at private parties for more than ten years singing in seven languages. Our services include:? Make your simcha an unforgettable experience! Impressive selection of Jewish and Israeli themed original oil paintings. the number is on the website. Great gifts for Bat-Mitzvahs, Kallahs, Birthdays, Anniversaries, or just because. These past days the Belgian champion has been focusing on the physical therapy program of her knee. We also do illustrations and custom teaching materials. Baby and flowergirl bracelets also available in various sizes and colors. Our staff is friendly, knowledgeable and confidential. She took a long injury medical time out to have work done on her knee, but it was too much for Justine and her knee gave in during her fourth consecutive weekend of physically demanding elite tennis. We will keep you posted on the latest from Justine as the news arrives. the number is on the website. I will travel to you on your special day. All designs are hand painted with hand calligraphy. We will also print and ship to you at affordable prices. Limited coupons available. Can easily be made into two apartments. New appliances and furniture. the number is on the website. The second match of the day was a. Our staff is friendly, knowledgeable and confidential. We have done all the work for you, by checking their references, and making sure they are licensed and insured, all at No Cost to you. Our artists give you personalized attention and work within your budget. Brand new kitchen equipped with top of the line appliances, track lighting, and cabinets galore. Our artists give you personalized attention and work within your budget. click here for the DAT Destroyer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061013/85f0cde6/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: retrieval.gif Type: image/gif Size: 9260 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061013/85f0cde6/attachment.gif From amedee at amedee.be Fri Oct 13 16:47:20 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:47:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] FW: defrost allegation In-Reply-To: <001501c6eeca$dd4b6c70$0300a8c0@RMPC.LOCAL> References: <001501c6eeca$dd4b6c70$0300a8c0@RMPC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <38230.82.146.101.169.1160750840.squirrel@amedee.be> *I* didn't ask for it!!! Will go straight to my confirmed-spam folder for training... On Fri, October 13, 2006 15:24, Calvin UQAM said: > OK, Amedee, here is a typical example. Calvin > > From: Leopold Barr [mailto:qmz at lawton574.fsnet.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:19 AM > To: veltman.calvin at uqam.ca > Subject: defrost allegation > > > > Flat Screen TV, contemporary furniture and window treatments! > David has entertained at private parties for more than ten years singing > in > seven languages. > Our services include:? > Make your simcha an unforgettable experience! > Impressive selection of Jewish and Israeli themed original oil paintings. > the number is on the website. > Great gifts for Bat-Mitzvahs, Kallahs, Birthdays, Anniversaries, or just > because. These past days the Belgian champion has been focusing on the > physical therapy program of her knee. > We also do illustrations and custom teaching materials. > Baby and flowergirl bracelets also available in various sizes and colors. > Our staff is friendly, knowledgeable and confidential. She took a long > injury medical time out to have work done on her knee, but it was too much > for Justine and her knee gave in during her fourth consecutive weekend of > physically demanding elite tennis. > We will keep you posted on the latest from Justine as the news arrives. > the > number is on the website. I will travel to you on your special day. > All designs are hand painted with hand calligraphy. > We will also print and ship to you at affordable prices. > Limited coupons available. Can easily be made into two apartments. New > appliances and furniture. > the number is on the website. The second match of the day was a. > Our staff is friendly, knowledgeable and confidential. > We have done all the work for you, by checking their references, and > making > sure they are licensed and insured, all at No Cost to you. > Our artists give you personalized attention and work within your budget. > Brand new kitchen equipped with top of the line appliances, track > lighting, > and cabinets galore. Our artists give you personalized attention and work > within your budget. click here for the DAT Destroyer. > > > -- From skip at pobox.com Fri Oct 13 17:58:42 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:58:42 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations In-Reply-To: <001b01c6eecb$79757370$0300a8c0@RMPC.LOCAL> References: <17711.1547.741607.724345@montanaro.dyndns.org> <001b01c6eecb$79757370$0300a8c0@RMPC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <17711.47026.515576.294608@montanaro.dyndns.org> Calvin> I'm not don't have answers to anyt of your questions Calvin> below. Where would I find Path info? If ocrad.exe is there, is Calvin> that good or bad? What is PIL? Calvin> I'm going to send you a sample of the sollicitations I Calvin> receive. Maybe that will help. Calvin, Sending me samples of the stock solicitations won't help. It's not that SpamBayes won't or can't process them. It's much more likely that the image analysis part of SpamBayes isn't even being run. I have no idea how to check your PATH on Windows. If you open a terminal window (Select "Run" from your Start menu and enter "cmd" as the command to run), and type "ocrad" at the prompt, does it run? If so, that part is okay. If not, use the find files command from your Start menu to try and locate it. Again from a terminal window, try executing python. (You may find it somewhere in your Windows Start menu as well.) At the Python prompt (">>>") type import PIL If you get another prompt with no errors, you have PIL. If you get an error message, you will have to install it. You can get a PIL installer that works with your version of Python (the version was printed when Python started up) here: http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/ Pick the appropriate Windows installer. Download. Install. Once PIL is installed, you'll need to check your SpamBayes parameter settings. I have no idea how to do this with the Outlook plugin, but you probably want these settings: x-lookup_ip: True lookup_ip_cache: dns_cache.pck x-image_size: True x-crack_images: True max_image_size: 100000 crack_image_cache: image_cache.pck I don't know where it will put the two cache files. Post back here with any answers you can come up with. Skip From skip at pobox.com Fri Oct 13 18:31:05 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:31:05 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Error Running sb_server.py version 1.1a3 In-Reply-To: <34556.82.146.101.169.1160747548.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <1160681756.20553.3.camel@chisum> <17710.41699.634058.163591@montanaro.dyndns.org> <36823.82.146.101.169.1160721942.squirrel@amedee.be> <17711.30787.496856.434872@montanaro.dyndns.org> <34556.82.146.101.169.1160747548.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <17711.48969.968434.173819@montanaro.dyndns.org> Amedee> I'm using the version that came with Debian: Amedee> amedee at elbereth { ~ }$ sudo aptitude show spambayes Amedee> Password: Amedee> Package: spambayes Amedee> State: installed Amedee> Automatically installed: no Amedee> Version: 1.0.3-1 ... That's kind of old. The latest stable release is 1.0.4. The current alpha is 1.1a3. >> Since it appears you're trying to load an sb_server message info >> database, I wonder if removing it (or renaming it) will get you past >> this particular bump in the road. Amedee> How do I do that? I mean, I know how to rm or rename a file, Amedee> but which file and where? I'm not sure. If you've not changed that setting you should be able to try cd find . -name '*messageinfo*' If will probably be named spambayes.messageinfo.db, though messageinfo.fs is an outside possibility. >> Alternatively, it may be that you've hit a bug that's been fixed in a >> more recent version. If removing the file doesn't work, you could >> upgrade. Amedee> Unlikely, because it used to work. But I'll try an upgrade, when Amedee> I find out which file to delete. Just because it used to work doesn't mean you haven't encountered a bug that's been fixed in a more recent version. Skip From amedee at amedee.be Fri Oct 13 21:30:22 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:30:22 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Error Running sb_server.py version 1.1a3 In-Reply-To: <17711.48969.968434.173819@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <1160681756.20553.3.camel@chisum> <17710.41699.634058.163591@montanaro.dyndns.org> <36823.82.146.101.169.1160721942.squirrel@amedee.be> <17711.30787.496856.434872@montanaro.dyndns.org> <34556.82.146.101.169.1160747548.squirrel@amedee.be> <17711.48969.968434.173819@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1160767822.9207.103.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Op vr, 13-10-2006 te 11:31 -0500, schreef skip at pobox.com: > Amedee> I'm using the version that came with Debian: > > Amedee> amedee at elbereth { ~ }$ sudo aptitude show spambayes > Amedee> Password: > Amedee> Package: spambayes > Amedee> State: installed > Amedee> Automatically installed: no > Amedee> Version: 1.0.3-1 > ... > > That's kind of old. The latest stable release is 1.0.4. The current alpha > is 1.1a3. Ubuntu Edgy (Ubuntu 6.10, expected end october) features spambayes 1.0.4-3. Most of the times I prefer stable software over alphas or betas - although I'm sure the code quality of spambayes is above average :) > >> Since it appears you're trying to load an sb_server message info > >> database, I wonder if removing it (or renaming it) will get you past > >> this particular bump in the road. > > Amedee> How do I do that? I mean, I know how to rm or rename a file, > Amedee> but which file and where? > > I'm not sure. If you've not changed that setting you should be able to try > > cd > find . -name '*messageinfo*' > > If will probably be named spambayes.messageinfo.db, though messageinfo.fs is > an outside possibility. I renamed that file (appended .bak) and now it works again! Thank you very much. > >> Alternatively, it may be that you've hit a bug that's been fixed in a > >> more recent version. If removing the file doesn't work, you could > >> upgrade. > > Amedee> Unlikely, because it used to work. But I'll try an upgrade, when > Amedee> I find out which file to delete. > > Just because it used to work doesn't mean you haven't encountered a bug > that's been fixed in a more recent version. You may be right: there is always the possibility that I have encountered a very rare condition that triggers a bug which hasn't manifested itself before. -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be From skip at pobox.com Fri Oct 13 22:08:38 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:08:38 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Error Running sb_server.py version 1.1a3 In-Reply-To: <1160767822.9207.103.camel@saruman.telenet.be> References: <1160681756.20553.3.camel@chisum> <17710.41699.634058.163591@montanaro.dyndns.org> <36823.82.146.101.169.1160721942.squirrel@amedee.be> <17711.30787.496856.434872@montanaro.dyndns.org> <34556.82.146.101.169.1160747548.squirrel@amedee.be> <17711.48969.968434.173819@montanaro.dyndns.org> <1160767822.9207.103.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Message-ID: <17711.62022.944462.979706@montanaro.dyndns.org> Amedee> Ubuntu Edgy (Ubuntu 6.10, expected end october) features Amedee> spambayes 1.0.4-3. Most of the times I prefer stable software Amedee> over alphas or betas although I'm sure the code quality of Amedee> spambayes is above average :) The Ubuntu folks must be really cautious about SpamBayes then. 1.0.4 was released 2005-03-22. Amedee> I renamed that file (appended .bak) and now it works again! Amedee> Thank you very much. Good to hear. Where did you find the file? Skip From amedee at amedee.be Fri Oct 13 23:41:46 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:41:46 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Error Running sb_server.py version 1.1a3 In-Reply-To: <17711.62022.944462.979706@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <1160681756.20553.3.camel@chisum> <17710.41699.634058.163591@montanaro.dyndns.org> <36823.82.146.101.169.1160721942.squirrel@amedee.be> <17711.30787.496856.434872@montanaro.dyndns.org> <34556.82.146.101.169.1160747548.squirrel@amedee.be> <17711.48969.968434.173819@montanaro.dyndns.org> <1160767822.9207.103.camel@saruman.telenet.be> <17711.62022.944462.979706@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1160775706.9207.106.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Op vr, 13-10-2006 te 15:08 -0500, schreef skip at pobox.com: > Amedee> I renamed that file (appended .bak) and now it works again! > Amedee> Thank you very much. > > Good to hear. Where did you find the file? Where you said it would probably be, in ~/ -- Amedee From guthrie at counterexample.org Fri Oct 13 22:57:14 2006 From: guthrie at counterexample.org (John T. Guthrie) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:57:14 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] GIF spams Message-ID: <1160773034.28265.17.camel@euler.counterexample.org> Hello all, Recently I have been getting pounded with spams that contain an HTML-embedded GIF, followed by some random gibberish text. The actual spam message is in the GIF image. Since the GIF image is in a HTML img tag, spambayes strips it out before trying to process the message. Because the text is all random text, spambayes is actually giving some of these mails a score of 0.00. Are there any suggestions on how I can handle these with spambayes? If anyone is interested, I can forward several of these messages. Thanks. -- John Guthrie guthrie at counterexample.org From amedee at amedee.be Sat Oct 14 00:10:56 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:10:56 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] GIF spams In-Reply-To: <1160773034.28265.17.camel@euler.counterexample.org> References: <1160773034.28265.17.camel@euler.counterexample.org> Message-ID: <1160777456.9207.112.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Op vr, 13-10-2006 te 16:57 -0400, schreef John T. Guthrie: > If anyone is interested, I can forward > several of these messages. Please don't :) See the "Unwanted stock solicitations" topic from yesterday which is about exactly the same thing. Skip wrote something you should read Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:58:42 -0500 (17:58 CEST) -- Amedee From Seanduine at houston.rr.com Sat Oct 14 01:52:26 2006 From: Seanduine at houston.rr.com (Maralynn Lindstrom) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:52:26 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Version 1.0.4 of SpamBayes Message-ID: <000801c6ef22$a3eecaa0$b520a218@houston.rr.com> First of all, I have a limited knowledge of software/hardware. When trying to install the above, the computer stalled and gave the message--- failed: code 5. I have a Dell computer, ME operating system, Bit Defender was just installed, Zone Lab firewall, Outlook Express\msimn.exe, ------ does this information help? Thanks for your assistance. Maralynn Lindstrom in Spring, tx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Skip From tpeters at mixcom.com Sat Oct 14 02:15:56 2006 From: tpeters at mixcom.com (Tom Peters) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:15:56 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Active Python Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20061013191411.10a6f598@localhost> Hey, Active Perl was a pretty good environment for me to learn Perl, can I install Active Python on the same machine I use Spambayes pop3 proxy on and not interfere with Spambayes? I'd like to learn Python that way. But I don't want to hose up my current instance of Spambayes. -T [Humor] When I was in high school, I got in trouble with my girlfriend's Dad. He said, "I want my daughter back by 8:15." I said, "The middle of August? Cool!" --Steven Wright --... ...-- -.. . -. ----. --.- --.- -... tpeters at nospam.mixcom.com (remove "nospam") N9QQB (amateur radio) "HEY YOU" (loud shouting) WEB ADDRESS http//www.mixweb.com/tpeters 43? 7' 17.2" N by 88? 6' 28.9" W, Elevation 815', Grid Square EN53wc WAN/LAN/Telcom Analyst, Tech Writer, MCP, CCNA, Registered Linux User 385531 From emu at weinsteinkimpton.go-plus.net Sat Oct 14 11:42:27 2006 From: emu at weinsteinkimpton.go-plus.net (emu) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:42:27 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: SpamBayes Message-ID: Hi I am trying to find out how to train my Spambayes to ignore MOST emails to my domain @Weinsteinkimpton.go-plus.net EXCEPT the real names which are/could be: emu@, chk@, Connie@, info@, mfclub@, PD@, peter at . With each receipt of emails I am getting innumerable xyz@ bge@ etc - all sorts of random letters, all purporting to be delivery failure notices, postmaster etc. Spambayes puts most of these into the spam folder, a few into the 'junk suspects' but some still come into my inbox. Each time I put them into the spam folder but it does not seem to be learning more about the random letter ones. Also - since I logged in to enable me to post this message, I am now getting other peoples complaints - which, as far as I am concerned COULD be spam, rather than real emails to you. Can you stop me getting these please? I did not intentionally sign up to receive your other messages. Thank you Evelyn -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces+emu=weinsteinkimpton.go-plus.net at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces+emu=weinsteinkimpton.go-plus.net at python.org] On Behalf Of skip at pobox.com Sent: 14 October 2006 01:06 To: Rich U Cc: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Rich> I just downloaded the 1.1a3 (32 bit)version and installed it. When Rich> Outlook starts it encounters an error with spambayes and wants to Rich> disable it. This is the same problem I encountered with v1.04. I Rich> see nothing on the FAQ to help. Rich, Sorry, I can't help with the Outlook plugin, certainly not at this level. Maybe someone else on the list has an idea what needs tweaking. Skip _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From amedee at amedee.be Sat Oct 14 19:23:31 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:23:31 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: SpamBayes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1160846611.9207.142.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Op za, 14-10-2006 te 10:42 +0100, schreef emu: > Hi > > I am trying to find out how to train my Spambayes to ignore MOST emails to > my domain @Weinsteinkimpton.go-plus.net > EXCEPT the real names which are/could be: emu@, chk@, Connie@, info@, > mfclub@, PD@, peter at . > > With each receipt of emails I am getting innumerable xyz@ bge@ etc - all > sorts of random letters, all purporting to be delivery failure notices, > postmaster etc. Spambayes puts most of these into the spam folder, a few > into the 'junk suspects' but some still come into my inbox. Each time I put > them into the spam folder but it does not seem to be learning more about the > random letter ones. Sorry, can't help you in detail with that. You didn't say what mail client you use. Based on your email headers, I assume it is "Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)". Most (if not all) mail clients have some kind of filtering built in. Just use that to reject any mail not sent to your "approved" addresses, and use spambayes to filter spam sent to your "valid" addresses. > Also - since I logged in to enable me to post this message, I am now getting > other peoples complaints - which, as far as I am concerned COULD be spam, > rather than real emails to you. Can you stop me getting these please? I > did not intentionally sign up to receive your other messages. That is the very nature of a mailing list: you *intentionally* signed up for: a) sending email to all 394 members of the spambayes mailing list b) receiving email from all 394 members of the spambayes mailing list. That's right, every time you send mail to spambayes at python.org, a copy goes to 394 people. And every time one of those 394 people sends an email to spambayes, a copy goes to everybody on the list, including you. For more information about mailing lists in general, plese read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_mailing_list Spambayes uses the mailman mailing list software. This software enbles its users to choose a "digest" format, which means (maximum) 1 email per day, which contains all emails sent that day. I hope this helps for you. -- Amedee Van Gasse amede at amedee.be From amedee at amedee.be Sat Oct 14 21:53:01 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:53:01 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: SpamBayes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1160855581.9075.3.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Op za, 14-10-2006 te 19:53 +0100, schreef emu: > As to your mailing list - I joined so as to be able to send you questions, > can I get off the list for receiving other people's queries? It's not my mailing list, I am only subscribed, just like you. You cannot choose to only receive only the answers for your own queries: it's all or nothing. My suggestion: make a filter in Outlook that moves any message with "Spambayes" in the subject to a separate spambayes folder. > Thank you (PS was the language Dutch? I know schreef is a Germanic > derivative but don't know any other Germanic languages) Yes, it's Dutch. Hint: my email address ends with .be. That's Belgium. :) -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be From amedee at amedee.be Sat Oct 14 22:19:00 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:19:00 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: SpamBayes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1160857140.9075.14.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Op za, 14-10-2006 te 21:06 +0100, schreef emu: > So > > Does no-one from Spambayes ever answer questions? Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. :) Just be patient... Sometimes "regular" users happen to know the answer too, and ar willing to help. That's the advantage of a community of peers. > So - it is Flemish not Dutch! Please forgive me This is getting off topic... :) That's like saying people from the USA speak "American". See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_language for details. -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be From skip at pobox.com Sun Oct 15 02:42:14 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:42:14 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <1160857140.9075.14.camel@saruman.telenet.be> References: <1160857140.9075.14.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Message-ID: <17713.33766.104093.600158@montanaro.dyndns.org> >> Does no-one from Spambayes ever answer questions? Amedee> Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. :) Just be patient... Amedee> Sometimes "regular" users happen to know the answer too, and ar Amedee> willing to help. That's the advantage of a community of peers. And sometimes the developers don't know the answer. ;-) Skip From shadowru at comcast.net Sun Oct 15 17:46:11 2006 From: shadowru at comcast.net (Rich U) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:46:11 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a3 Message-ID: <000101c6f071$0a6e0170$6302a8c0@abct7z22vft8bv> I was having a problem with an older version of Spambayes so I downloaded v 1.1a3 and installed it. When I execute Outlook XP(2002), Outlook reports a problem with the add-in and wants to disable it. The same was true with v1.04(?). V 1.04 worked great until about 7 days ago and it had the same problem as the newest version. When Outlook executes the Spambayes icon is on the toolbar but does not respond when clicked. Any suggestion would be appreciated. Rich -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rich> Any suggestion would be appreciated. What problem does it report? Is it possible for you to start from scratch (rename or delete the various files SpamBayes creates)? Skip From aberman at houston.rr.com Sun Oct 15 19:00:52 2006 From: aberman at houston.rr.com (Arthur E. Berman) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 12:00:52 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Installation Confusion Message-ID: Dear Spambayes, I am an experienced computer user, but I cannot comprehend your instructions to install Spambayes. I have downloaded and installed the Python software. That was no problem. I have downloaded the Spambayes software but cannot find how to install it. I find nothing that looks like and executable file. In the Outlook 2000 folder is a sub-folder called Installer that looked really promising but it only contains .py files that, as far as I can tell, do nothing in Windows. If you can just tell me how to install Spambayes, I think the rest is fairly obvious. 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Outlook reports a Rich> "Problem with the add-in" and want to disable it in order to Rich> start. Sorry, I can't help with this (IANAWU). I was just trying to elicit a bit more information for the people who are Windows Users. Skip From joaquim.sanches at gmail.com Sun Oct 15 16:28:21 2006 From: joaquim.sanches at gmail.com (Joaquim Sanches) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:28:21 +0800 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes not filtering due to pop3 server not responding Message-ID: <596ef27a0610150728x1e67f87egba5a39fd213986a5@mail.gmail.com> hope you can help. I've installed spambayes and have changed my incoming mail settings to 'localhost'. Whenerver I start my computer and log into the internet (I'm on dial-up) and fire up Otlook Express (OE), OE correctly and automatically reciven incoming messages and this is indicated in its bottom tray/bar. However, after 60 seconds it times out and reports the pop3 server is not responding. 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In > the Outlook 2000 folder is a sub-folder called Installer that looked > really promising but it only contains .py files that, as far as I can > tell, do nothing in Windows. Sounds like you are trying to install from source. You should try the Windows installer. It doesn't need Python. > If you can just tell me how to install Spambayes, I think the rest is > fairly obvious. Try this one: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/spambayes/spambayes-1.0.4.exe?download > I?m sorry to seem like such a novice, but your instructions are truly > arcane. We were all novices once. By the way, I am *NOT* related to spambayes in any way. I'm just a user, like you. I got help from this mailing list, and I repay my gratitude by answering a few questions myself. Hopefully this takes a bit of burden away from the real devs, so they can concentrate on what they do best: pro wrestling. Uhhh... sorry, I meant developing great software. ;-) -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be > From PP458alert at PP458paypal.com Mon Oct 16 04:44:38 2006 From: PP458alert at PP458paypal.com (Alert PP458) Date: 15 Oct 2006 22:44:38 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Various login attempts from different global locations Message-ID: <20061016024438.18575.qmail@gotaariq.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am just a customer like you. > If you didn't want to receive messages about spambayes, then why did you subscribe to the spambayes mailing list? -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be From jsp at PKC.com Mon Oct 16 14:25:46 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:25:46 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <1160857140.9075.14.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04AE1@PKCVT01.pkc.com> As long as we're off-topic, there is some truth to the idea that people from the USA speak "American." George Bernard Shaw observed that "England and America are two countries separated by a common language." For instance, you'll get a very different response from young women in the two countries when you tell them you'll knock them up in the morning. (In the U.S., you're likely to get knocked down instead.) Less colloquially, U.S. and British sports fans both enjoy football, but the games they watch have very little to do with each other. In the spoken language(s), many Americans have quite a hard time understanding the pronunciation and vocabulary of various British dialects (especially rural ones), and I imagine the same goes for English folk in the American countryside. See http://separatedbyacommonlanguage.blogspot.com/ for amusing and enlightening commentary. By the way, if I haven't said so before, I admire your English. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Amedee Van Gasse Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 4:19 PM To: emu Cc: Spambayes Subject: Re: [Spambayes] FW: SpamBayes Op za, 14-10-2006 te 21:06 +0100, schreef emu: > So > > Does no-one from Spambayes ever answer questions? Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. :) Just be patient... Sometimes "regular" users happen to know the answer too, and ar willing to help. That's the advantage of a community of peers. > So - it is Flemish not Dutch! Please forgive me This is getting off topic... :) That's like saying people from the USA speak "American". See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_language for details. -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From Gemsinger58 at aol.com Mon Oct 16 15:48:41 2006 From: Gemsinger58 at aol.com (Gemsinger58 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:48:41 EDT Subject: [Spambayes] retrieving a deleted spam e-mail Message-ID: hi, you asked this question and i can't find if you ever got an answer. i did the same thing :) can you help? peace, phyl never quit...there is nothing less important than the score at halftime. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Skip From skip at pobox.com Mon Oct 16 19:21:44 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:21:44 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <0bc24886eea084a5d873ab38dddffaf0@ihug.co.nz> References: <000001c6ee51$34a83b80$6302a8c0@abct7z22vft8bv> <17710.55163.967741.814261@montanaro.dyndns.org> <0bc24886eea084a5d873ab38dddffaf0@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <17715.49064.175085.797623@montanaro.dyndns.org> Skip> The release contains both an Windows installer as well as a normal Skip> source distribution. Gareth> What about an option for a Mac? There's really no need for one. Macs are Unix under the covers and come bundled with Python. There's nothing Mac-specific in any of the SpamBayes code. Just grab the source distribution and execute python setup.py install from the top-level directory. Skip From tadowguy at gmail.com Mon Oct 16 19:23:15 2006 From: tadowguy at gmail.com (Matt Fischer) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:23:15 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] how do I figure out what version I have? In-Reply-To: <17715.48789.351801.393626@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <47e5681d0610160940q44b8aaebxe4e262f63afd7b48@mail.gmail.com> <17715.48789.351801.393626@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <47e5681d0610161023o4773059cybda21a051c08fb35@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, looks like its time to upgrade again. jezebel <10:22:34> ~>python Python 2.3.5 (#2, Sep 4 2005, 22:01:42) [GCC 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import spambayes >>> spambayes.__version__ '1.1a2' May I suggest that we add this to the FAQ? On 10/16/06, skip at pobox.com wrote: > > > Matt> .... I cannot figure out to tell what the overall version of > Matt> spambayes is. I see some versioning on individual scripts, but > Matt> not an overall one. > > Matt> Is there a method to do this? > > From the Python prompt: > > % python > Python 2.6a0 (trunk:52218, Oct 7 2006, 07:08:10) > [GCC 4.0.0 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5026)] on darwin > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > >>> import spambayes > >>> spambayes.__version__ > '1.1a3' > > Should work for all platforms. > > Skip > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061016/e40d460f/attachment.html From wnelweb at adelphia.net Tue Oct 17 05:00:27 2006 From: wnelweb at adelphia.net (Nelson Webber) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:00:27 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] No problems! Message-ID: I read the trouble shooting guide, but none of it applies to me, because I have not had any problems whatsoever with the program. Folks, I have no skills and I have nothing to offer you but thanks for your very fine program. I like it. It does a great job for me and I just wanted to thank you all and let you know I appreciate you. SGWHTYT Peace... N. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1612 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061016/e8bf8510/attachment.bin From spambayes at tonyaustin.com Tue Oct 17 06:52:03 2006 From: spambayes at tonyaustin.com (Tony Austin) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:52:03 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04AE1@PKCVT01.pkc.com> References: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04AE1@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Message-ID: <45346173.8090303@tonyaustin.com> >So - it is Flemish not Dutch! Please forgive me All these foreign languages are like double Dutch to me! -tony From claudejones at tehogeeservices.com Tue Oct 17 09:13:54 2006 From: claudejones at tehogeeservices.com (Claude Jones) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:13:54 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes works so well, it's hard to keep training balanced Message-ID: <200610170313.54216.claudejones@tehogeeservices.com> I've been meaning to ask this for a long time. I run Spambayes on a Fedora Core 5 Linux machine, among others It works extremely well. After two days training, it had pretty much figured out all my mail-list traffic, which is about 98% of my mail, and always classifies it as ham. It catches about 90-95% of my spam. On a typical day I get 600-800 messages. Every day, I go through the review process from the Spambayes web interface window and check the unsures, which are nearly all spam and properly classify them. Over time, the result is that I've built up a huge imbalance of trained messages, nearly 1000 trained spam vs. 150 trained ham So, how to regain balance? Should I just train on a group of mails that already have been correctly classified as ham, say an equal number from each of my mail-lists, to get things back in balance? Somehow, that seems counterintuitive to me - but I can't think of any other way. Spambayes just works too well... -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA From SpamBayes.20.firefairy at xoxy.net Tue Oct 17 10:06:16 2006 From: SpamBayes.20.firefairy at xoxy.net (SpamBayes.20.firefairy at xoxy.net) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:06:16 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Filter By Language? Message-ID: <001f01c6f1c3$226a0cd0$1802a8c0@azure> So, I've only seen one thing other filters do that SB doesn't- language blocking. Is there any filtering done for language encoding, and/or is there a way to automatically consider everything in certain encoding to be spam? On one address, I get miles and miles of Russian spam, which SpamBayes seems to miss, I assume because the encoding doesn't work so it all comes out as gibberish. Quinn ~~~~~~~~~~ The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated. - Mark Twain ~~~~~~~~~~ From SpamBayes.20.firefairy at xoxy.net Tue Oct 17 09:54:40 2006 From: SpamBayes.20.firefairy at xoxy.net (SpamBayes.20.firefairy at xoxy.net) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:54:40 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Randomized Spam Beating SpamBayes Message-ID: <001e01c6f1c1$831c9b30$1802a8c0@azure> Is anyone else getting this? SpamBayes catches all the "identifiable" spam right off, only a little bit of training required, but there is a variety that makes it through almost every time. It consists of either an entirely random set of content (no idea what the point to those are) or a small chunk of content followed by lots and lots of drek. The subjects are sometimes coherent, sometimes gobbledygook. Is there any way to train for random gibberish, or have they actually beaten SpamBayes? Quinn ~~~~~~~~~~ Machine-independent: Does not run on any existing machine. ~~~~~~~~~~ From skip at pobox.com Tue Oct 17 13:25:10 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 06:25:10 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes works so well, it's hard to keep training balanced In-Reply-To: <200610170313.54216.claudejones@tehogeeservices.com> References: <200610170313.54216.claudejones@tehogeeservices.com> Message-ID: <17716.48534.409188.494728@montanaro.dyndns.org> Claude> Over time, the result is that I've built up a huge imbalance of Claude> trained messages, nearly 1000 trained spam vs. 150 trained ham Claude> So, how to regain balance? Are your hams and spams stored in a plain old mbox file or something your mail reader can read? If so, visit your saved spam, sort by date and delete a bunch of the oldest ones (maybe a couple hundred to start with). I'm currently running with a 4:1 ratio using train-to-exhaustion without any real problems. Skip From skip at pobox.com Tue Oct 17 13:28:14 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 06:28:14 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Randomized Spam Beating SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <001e01c6f1c1$831c9b30$1802a8c0@azure> References: <001e01c6f1c1$831c9b30$1802a8c0@azure> Message-ID: <17716.48718.814220.217469@montanaro.dyndns.org> Quinn> Is anyone else getting this? SpamBayes catches all the Quinn> "identifiable" spam right off, only a little bit of training Quinn> required, but there is a variety that makes it through almost Quinn> every time. It consists of either an entirely random set of Quinn> content (no idea what the point to those are) or a small chunk of Quinn> content followed by lots and lots of drek. The subjects are Quinn> sometimes coherent, sometimes gobbledygook. Quinn> Is there any way to train for random gibberish, or have they Quinn> actually beaten SpamBayes? Well, the random gibberish is probably a prefix to a GIF image containing the real sales pitch. Try 1.1a3 and see if that helps. Note though that you will probably have to do a little tuning to get it working with Outlook. I have no Windows machine, so the OCR stuff in the latest version has only really been tested in a Unix/Mac environment. Any Windows users want to volunteer to do a thorough test of 1.1a3 under Outlook? Skip From skip at pobox.com Tue Oct 17 13:30:53 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 06:30:53 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Filter By Language? In-Reply-To: <001f01c6f1c3$226a0cd0$1802a8c0@azure> References: <001f01c6f1c3$226a0cd0$1802a8c0@azure> Message-ID: <17716.48877.85737.85436@montanaro.dyndns.org> Quinn> Is there any filtering done for language encoding, and/or is Quinn> there a way to automatically consider everything in certain Quinn> encoding to be spam? On one address, I get miles and miles of Quinn> Russian spam, which SpamBayes seems to miss, I assume because the Quinn> encoding doesn't work so it all comes out as gibberish. Nope. I believe the charset is probably just another token. Nothing is cast in stone with SpamBayes. All tokens (normal words and generated tokens) are just inputs to the classifier. None have veto power. If your mail program can filter on it, go ahead and set up a filter to trap those mails with Russian encodings. Look at the Content-Type: header. Skip From amedee at amedee.be Tue Oct 17 15:14:03 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:14:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] error in sb_server.py after upgrade Message-ID: <39836.82.146.101.169.1161090843.squirrel@amedee.be> I just upgraded to the latest&greatest version of spambayes, and now sb_server.py tells me: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 979, in ? state = State() File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 719, in __init__ self.init() File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 734, in init self.lang_manager.set_language(\ File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/i18n.py", line 116, in locale_default_lang return getdefaultlocale()[0] File "/usr/lib/python2.3/locale.py", line 346, in getdefaultlocale return _parse_localename(localename) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/locale.py", line 280, in _parse_localename raise ValueError, 'unknown locale: %s' % localename ValueError: unknown locale: en_DE:en_US:en_GB:en -- Amedee From Reyer.Gerlagh at manchester.ac.uk Tue Oct 17 15:49:51 2006 From: Reyer.Gerlagh at manchester.ac.uk (Reyer Gerlagh) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:49:51 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes does nothing Message-ID: <20061017144951211.00000000952@DO-0N42501> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061017/a0a90c3d/attachment.html From Quinn at nobodysonline.com Tue Oct 17 22:27:06 2006 From: Quinn at nobodysonline.com (Quinn) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:27:06 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Filter By Language? (SpamBayes: message 5 of 20) In-Reply-To: <17716.48877.85737.85436@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <002101c6f22a$a0a58c70$1802a8c0@azure> Quinn> Is there any filtering done for language encoding, and/or is Quinn> there a way to automatically consider everything in certain Quinn> encoding to be spam? Skip> Nope. I believe the charset is probably just another token. Skip> Nothing is cast in stone with SpamBayes. So, it is at least considered, or was that an educated guess? Skip> If your mail program can filter on it, go ahead and set up a Skip> filter to trap those mails with Russian encodings. Unfortunately, no. :-( I can filter for "Words in Header", but not encoding. I might be able to do it by learning the notations for the encodings, though. I hate Outlook. If I were willing to use their junk mail filter, I could filter by language, but it won't let you turn off everything _but_ that. Grr. Quinn ~~~~~~~~~~ An intellectual is someone whose mind watches itself. - Camus ~~~~~~~~~~ From Quinn at nobodysonline.com Tue Oct 17 22:20:29 2006 From: Quinn at nobodysonline.com (Quinn) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:20:29 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Randomized Spam Beating SpamBayes (SpamBayes: message 9 of 20) In-Reply-To: <17716.48718.814220.217469@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <002001c6f229$b3f33800$1802a8c0@azure> Quinn> Is there any way to train for random gibberish, Quinn> or have they actually beaten SpamBayes? Skip> Well, the random gibberish is probably a prefix to a GIF Skip> image containing the real sales pitch. No, not that kind of gibberish. Sentences, but sort of randomly put together. Looks like they're farming news sites for body text: It is so nice to have some thing as entertainment in the mid of all the chaos we, here in Iraq, live daily which makes it impossible to change one's routine. For the first time, they say, they believe they have the manpower to make the strategy work. Rumors say that the exam questions were being sold the night of the exams, and these are not just any rumors, everyone is talking about them. did nothing but snap to the rank of their leadership. But the same media and politicians rush to cover stories about any explosions or beheadings. What we can do is try to impart an irreversible momentum. THey then began carrying sand bags from teh wall to the compound. These statements give the President the right to ignore laws because they conflict with his interpretation of the Constitution. Many violent groups emerged around the world after people lost hope in achieving change through democratic and diplomatic resistance. What we can do is try to impart an irreversible momentum. Surely, if a sectarian civil war was as close as we are told, there would be some sign amongst the people here. Quinn ~~~~~~~~~~ A little judicious carpentry should remedy THAT. - Wile E. Coyote ~~~~~~~~~~ From shawn at 12pointdesign.com Tue Oct 17 23:01:56 2006 From: shawn at 12pointdesign.com (Shawn K. Hall) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:01:56 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Filter By Language? (SpamBayes: message 5 of 20) In-Reply-To: <002101c6f22a$a0a58c70$1802a8c0@azure> Message-ID: <02ea01c6f22f$7b7c82a0$1e00a8c0@Yoda> Hi Quinn, > Skip> If your mail program can filter on it, go ahead and set > Skip> up a filter to trap those mails with Russian encodings. > > Unfortunately, no. :-( I can filter for "Words in Header", > but not encoding... I use the words in header in Outlook to filter based on charsets all the time. Just use something like this: charset="iso-2022-jp" You can also use this: Subject: =?iso- ...but it can be more dangerous if you receive mail from people using other languages, as it will flag pretty much anything that isn't US ASCII or UTF-8. Regards, Shawn K. Hall http://12PointDesign.com/ From amedee at amedee.be Tue Oct 17 23:51:07 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:51:07 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Randomized Spam Beating SpamBayes (SpamBayes: message 9 of 20) In-Reply-To: <002001c6f229$b3f33800$1802a8c0@azure> References: <002001c6f229$b3f33800$1802a8c0@azure> Message-ID: <1161121867.14855.76.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Op dinsdag 17-10-2006 om 14:20 uur [tijdzone -0600], schreef Quinn: > Quinn> Is there any way to train for random gibberish, > Quinn> or have they actually beaten SpamBayes? > > Skip> Well, the random gibberish is probably a prefix to a GIF > Skip> image containing the real sales pitch. > > No, not that kind of gibberish. Sentences, but sort of randomly put > together. Looks like they're farming news sites for body text: > > It is so nice to have some thing as entertainment in the mid of all the > chaos we, here in Iraq, live daily which makes it impossible to change one's > routine. For the first time, they say, they believe they have the manpower *snip* Sounds like something a "disociated press" or other random text generator created. Perhaps you know about the monkeys with a typewriter? If you let a thousand monkeys press random keys on a typewriter, eventually one of them will by accident write a few lines from a Shakespeare sonnet. These random text generators work in a similar way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem -- Amedee From Quinn at nobodysonline.com Tue Oct 17 23:58:28 2006 From: Quinn at nobodysonline.com (Quinn) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:58:28 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Filter By Language? (SpamBayes: message 5 of 20) (SpamBayes: message 10 of 20) In-Reply-To: <02ea01c6f22f$7b7c82a0$1e00a8c0@Yoda> Message-ID: <000a01c6f237$64422f60$1802a8c0@azure> > I use the words in header in Outlook to filter based on > charsets all the > time. Just use something like this: > charset="iso-2022-jp" > > You can also use this: > Subject: =?iso- > ...but it can be more dangerous if you receive mail from people using > other languages, as it will flag pretty much anything that isn't US > ASCII or UTF-8. Thanks! At the moment, it's only Russian that's plaguing me, so it shouldn't take too long to block all the Russian encodings by just killing the ones that make it through. Quinn ~~~~~~~~~~ Beware the fury of a patient man. - John Dryden ~~~~~~~~~~ From Quinn at nobodysonline.com Wed Oct 18 00:12:42 2006 From: Quinn at nobodysonline.com (Quinn) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:12:42 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Randomized Spam Beating SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <1161121867.14855.76.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Message-ID: <000e01c6f239$61265e80$1802a8c0@azure> > Sounds like something a "disociated press" or other random text > generator created. Perhaps you know about the monkeys with a > typewriter? If you let a thousand monkeys press random keys on > a typewriter, eventually one of them will by accident write a > few lines from a Shakespeare sonnet. These random text > generators work in a similar way. Interesting. I hadn't realized that was being used to actually do anything; that's kind of cool. Not sure if these are coming from that sort of thing, though. There are references to specific websites and publications scattered around self-referentially. I really think they're somehow farming real source and taking strings of variable length and just stringing them together. It's a pretty good way to produce coherent-ish body text that doesn't read as gibberish from an electronic standpoint. So, does this sort of thing defeat SpamBayes? They're making it through the filter with great regularity, and have been for quite a while, so the algorithms haven't figured it out in several hundred messages. Is there _any_ way to deal with it, in SB or any other filter other than sender black- or white lists? Quinn ~~~~~~~~~~ The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity. ~~~~~~~~~~ From amedee at amedee.be Wed Oct 18 00:24:44 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 00:24:44 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Randomized Spam Beating SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <000e01c6f239$61265e80$1802a8c0@azure> References: <000e01c6f239$61265e80$1802a8c0@azure> Message-ID: <1161123884.14855.80.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Op dinsdag 17-10-2006 om 16:12 uur [tijdzone -0600], schreef Quinn: > > Sounds like something a "disociated press" or other random text > > generator created. Perhaps you know about the monkeys with a > > typewriter? If you let a thousand monkeys press random keys on > > a typewriter, eventually one of them will by accident write a > > few lines from a Shakespeare sonnet. These random text > > generators work in a similar way. > > Interesting. I hadn't realized that was being used to actually do anything; > that's kind of cool. Not sure if these are coming from that sort of thing, > though. There are references to specific websites and publications > scattered around self-referentially. I really think they're somehow farming > real source and taking strings of variable length and just stringing them > together. It's a pretty good way to produce coherent-ish body text that > doesn't read as gibberish from an electronic standpoint. > > So, does this sort of thing defeat SpamBayes? They're making it through the > filter with great regularity, and have been for quite a while, so the > algorithms haven't figured it out in several hundred messages. Is there > _any_ way to deal with it, in SB or any other filter other than sender > black- or white lists? I suppose there must be some way, because I don't get them. Your message with the example scored as unsure: X-Spambayes-Classification: unsure; 0.79 If it didn't include the typical spambayes mailing list headers, I'm sure it would have gotten an even higher spam score. -- Amedee From Quinn at nobodysonline.com Wed Oct 18 00:39:53 2006 From: Quinn at nobodysonline.com (Quinn) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:39:53 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Randomized Spam Beating SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <1161123884.14855.80.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Message-ID: <001301c6f23d$2d6c7fd0$1802a8c0@azure> > > Is there _any_ way to deal with it, in SB or any other > > filter other than sender black- or white lists? > > I suppose there must be some way, because I don't get them. > Your message with the example scored as unsure: > > X-Spambayes-Classification: unsure; 0.79 > > If it didn't include the typical spambayes mailing list headers, I'm > sure it would have gotten an even higher spam score. For me they can be anything from 0% to about 55%. It might have some effect that I only sent an excerpt; they vary in length. Quinn ~~~~~~~~~~ There are two ways to look at life. One, as though nothing is a miracle; the other, as though everything is. - Albert Einstein ~~~~~~~~~~ From shawn at 12pointdesign.com Tue Oct 17 22:47:32 2006 From: shawn at 12pointdesign.com (Shawn K. Hall) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:47:32 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Randomized Spam Beating SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <17716.48718.814220.217469@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <02de01c6f22d$7973a530$1e00a8c0@Yoda> Hi Skip, > Any Windows users want to volunteer to do a thorough test of > 1.1a3 under Outlook? I installed 1.1a3 a couple days ago on a new machine with Windows XP MCE and Outlook 2003. I ported my existing Outlook settings from my old Windows 2000 box, including 5 PST files (a couple are VERY large) but NOT including my existing spambayes settings or database. I retrained based on the stored messages in known good and known spam folders (the known spam I built up from the previous 'release' version of SpamBayes 1.0.4). The training reports 78311 good and 63373 spam. This is the first time since installing spambayes (about 2 years ago?) that spam is making it into my inbox several times per day. All of the spam that makes it into my inbox is the gibberish crap spam that, I believe, is intended to damage bayesian filters. Most messages are determined to have a zero spam possibility percentile by SB, which until about a month ago (even with SB 1.0.4) just never happened. My spam was ALWAYS filtered right. Now, with these new gibberish spams I think they're doing quite well at damaging the legitimacy of the database. I don't see any setting to enable or disable scanning within images. Is this something I have to setup manually? I'm willing to work on it and beta test as needed. My email is very important to me (the core communication system for my business), but it's all backed up on at least 3 systems - so I'm not at risk of losing anything. Regards, Shawn K. Hall http://12pointdesign.com/ From shawn at 12pointdesign.com Wed Oct 18 01:49:44 2006 From: shawn at 12pointdesign.com (Shawn K. Hall) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:49:44 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Randomized Spam Beating SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <001301c6f23d$2d6c7fd0$1802a8c0@azure> Message-ID: <036501c6f246$ec7dae90$1e00a8c0@Yoda> > For me they can be anything from 0% to about 55%. > It might have some effect that I only sent an > excerpt; they vary in length. 90% of mine are stock spam with an attached image (which is blocked by Outlook). Most get filtered. Some of them (about 20 per day these last couple days) get less than 5% of a spam score in SB. Regards, Shawn K. Hall http://12PointDesign.com/ From Quinn at nobodysonline.com Wed Oct 18 02:17:52 2006 From: Quinn at nobodysonline.com (Quinn) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:17:52 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Randomized Spam Beating SpamBayes (SpamBayes: message 14 of 20) In-Reply-To: <036501c6f246$ec7dae90$1e00a8c0@Yoda> Message-ID: <002001c6f24a$de436be0$1802a8c0@azure> > > For me they can be anything from 0% to about 55%. > > It might have some effect that I only sent an > > excerpt; they vary in length. > > 90% of mine are stock spam with an attached image (which is blocked by > Outlook). Most get filtered. Some of them (about 20 per day these last > couple days) get less than 5% of a spam score in SB. Yeah, the ones with images get snagged fairly easily; I think having an embedded image has gotten a high weighting in SB; almost none of my ham has images. I haven't seen one make it through to the inbox, at least. Some end up in the suspects folder instead of the junk folder, though. > This is the first time since installing spambayes (about 2 years ago?) > that spam is making it into my inbox several times per day. All of the > spam that makes it into my inbox is the gibberish crap spam that, I > believe, is intended to damage bayesian filters. Most messages are > determined to have a zero spam possibility percentile by SB, > which until about a month ago (even with SB 1.0.4) just never happened. > My spam was ALWAYS filtered right. Now, with these new gibberish spams > I think they're doing quite well at damaging the legitimacy of the > database. Do you think using SB to delete them makes it better or worse? I have been thinking about deleting them normally so they don't dilute my definitions, since I don't think there's any useful pattern in them for SB to twig on. Does SB count numbers of times phrases are repeated? That might help for the ones I'm getting; they usually use the same fairly long sentence or chunk at least two or three times. Quinn ~~~~~~~~~~ A person's maturity consists in having found again the seriousness one had as a child, at play. - Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche ~~~~~~~~~~ From skip at pobox.com Wed Oct 18 02:17:15 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:17:15 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Randomized Spam Beating SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <036501c6f246$ec7dae90$1e00a8c0@Yoda> References: <001301c6f23d$2d6c7fd0$1802a8c0@azure> <036501c6f246$ec7dae90$1e00a8c0@Yoda> Message-ID: <17717.29323.777143.266319@montanaro.dyndns.org> Shawn> 90% of mine are stock spam with an attached image (which is Shawn> blocked by Outlook). I wonder if Outlook rips out the image and doesn't even let SpamBayes see it... Skip From skip at pobox.com Wed Oct 18 02:21:34 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:21:34 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Randomized Spam Beating SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <02de01c6f22d$7973a530$1e00a8c0@Yoda> References: <17716.48718.814220.217469@montanaro.dyndns.org> <02de01c6f22d$7973a530$1e00a8c0@Yoda> Message-ID: <17717.29582.234599.164082@montanaro.dyndns.org> Shawn> I don't see any setting to enable or disable scanning within Shawn> images. Is this something I have to setup manually? I'm willing Shawn> to work on it and beta test as needed. I'm not familiar with the Outlook plugin, but these are the settings I use which are related to the OCR and IP address munching settings: [Tokenizer] x-lookup_ip: True lookup_ip_cache: dnscache.pck x-image_size: True x-crack_images: True max_image_size: 100000 crack_image_cache: image_cache.pck I presume it has some capability for you to edit your configuration parameters. Skip From robert at imagine.co.uk Wed Oct 18 02:43:19 2006 From: robert at imagine.co.uk (Robert Neuschul) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:43:19 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Help please - More detailed confiuration options needed Message-ID: Hi I sent this to the list a couple of weeks ago but haven't received any responses as far as I can tell. ********************************************************************** I've just rebuilt our 2003 server [SP2] and done a clean install of the latest Windows binary version of SB, using only the POP3 proxy [SpamBayes Proxy Version 1.1a3 (August 2006)]. Having browsed the web site docs I can't find anything to explain the behaviour I'm seeing. Because we're not running the SMTP proxy, and don't use the redirect to SMTP there are no SMTP "train as" addresses set. The ini file reflects the absence of the SMTP settings. I also have the SB system configured to "notate to" for spam/unsure, and to classify subject headers only for spam. Whatever settings I use SB insists on adding "unsure at spambayes.invalid" as a "To:" address in all messages about which it is unsure. I'm fairly sure that the older [nonbinary] version I used to permit one to control what addresses [if any] were added on the To: line, and what wording was added to subject and X headers etc, via ini settings, but I can't find any documentation in the current version that supports this. I'm probably being quite blind here. The FAQ suggests that one needs to look in options.py for details of the various configurable items, but in the binary version of Spambayes there is no such file. I really need to a] prevent SB adding unecessary addresses to the To: headers and b] manage /what/ is added to the subject line. Suggestions or pointers welcomed. Footnote on an issue you may want to know about: if one has a proxy service installed on a 2000/2003 server, with SB Tray Icon set to open on login, and one is using Windows Terminal Services or Remote Desktop to connect to the target machine then in most cases [unless one makes special effort to do otherwise] one is connecting to Console 1 rather than Console 0. That means that there's a new instance of the Tray Icon starting up as one logs in; the SB Tray app /really/ does not like a 2nd instance of itself running and will report that the SB service is not running when it /is/ running correctly. If one mistakenly attempts to 'start' the service from the tray icon one gets a lengthy timeout eventually followed by an error that the service could not be started. TIA Robert From Quinn at nobodysonline.com Wed Oct 18 03:26:57 2006 From: Quinn at nobodysonline.com (Quinn) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:26:57 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Randomized Spam Beating SpamBayes (SpamBayes: message 15 of 20) In-Reply-To: <17717.29323.777143.266319@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <002d01c6f254$83fe3ed0$1802a8c0@azure> > Shawn> 90% of mine are stock spam with an attached image (which is > Shawn> blocked by Outlook). > > I wonder if Outlook rips out the image and doesn't even let > SpamBayes see it... No, the actual mail stays the same, Outlook just doesn't fetch the image itself until you tell it to. Basically, the command stays in the mail, Outlook just belays the order after it reads it. Quinn ~~~~~~~~~~ Subdominant: Chief officer aboard a submarine. ~~~~~~~~~~ From shawn at 12pointdesign.com Wed Oct 18 05:46:40 2006 From: shawn at 12pointdesign.com (Shawn K. Hall) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:46:40 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Randomized Spam Beating SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <17717.29582.234599.164082@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <000501c6f268$065a7570$1e00a8c0@Yoda> Thanks Skip. While I can find nowhere that has a Tokenizer section, the "Outlook.ini" file in the AppData folder looks like it might do the trick. I've added the settings below to that file. I'll let you know in a few days if it made any difference. Regards, Shawn K. Hall http://12PointDesign.com/ > [Tokenizer] > x-lookup_ip: True > lookup_ip_cache: dnscache.pck > x-image_size: True > x-crack_images: True > max_image_size: 100000 > crack_image_cache: image_cache.pck From sethg at goodmanassociates.com Wed Oct 18 09:17:14 2006 From: sethg at goodmanassociates.com (Seth Goodman) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:17:14 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations In-Reply-To: <17711.1547.741607.724345@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: skip at pobox.com wrote on Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:21 PM -0500: > Calvin> I'm running XP Pro and my release is the 1.1a3 release. > It just Calvin> isn't picking up the info it needs. > > Can you be more specific about not "picking up the info it needs"? I > believe there is an ocrad.exe file in the Windows installer. Does it > wind up somewhere on your PATH? Do you have PIL installed? I just installed 1.1a3 on a clean Win2K system. The files ocrad.exe and python24.dll both exist in /Program Files/Spambayes/bin, but there are no paths pointing to them, so neither python nor ocrad run from the command line. Did the paths get left out of the Windows installer? -- Seth Goodman From sethg at goodmanassociates.com Wed Oct 18 09:40:22 2006 From: sethg at goodmanassociates.com (Seth Goodman) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:40:22 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations In-Reply-To: <17711.1547.741607.724345@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: skip at pobox.com wrote on Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:21 PM -0500: > Calvin> I'm running XP Pro and my release is the 1.1a3 release. > Calvin> It just isn't picking up the info it needs. > > Can you be more specific about not "picking up the info it needs"? I > believe there is an ocrad.exe file in the Windows installer. Does it > wind up somewhere on your PATH? Do you have PIL installed? Maybe there are no paths to spambayes in Windows because you change to the spambayes directory before executing? In any case, it doesn't look like ocrad is running ... at least it doesn't seem to generate tokens from gif's. Do tokens from gif's look different from other tokens? -- Seth Goodman From michael at magneticisland.au.com Wed Oct 18 10:02:09 2006 From: michael at magneticisland.au.com (Michael McDonald) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:02:09 +1000 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes forwarding to a different host Message-ID: <000001c6f28b$b96c3450$0514320a@mickymac> Hi All, I have just installed Spambayes on a server here, and have my mail server configured on port 587. What I was wondering is there a way to forward mail received by spambayes to the port 587 if spambayes listens on port 25. 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I installed Python2.4.4c1, installed PIL 1.1.5 for python 2.4, added the four configuration lines you mentioned in another thread to the [tokenizer] section of the ini file and added the spambayes and python directories to the system path. Unfortunately, it still doesn't generate tokens from gif's. Perhaps there is an issue with spambayes using python24.dll while ocrad uses the full python2.4? -- Seth Goodman From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Wed Oct 18 13:46:31 2006 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:46:31 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Filter By Language? Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5007B26CDD@SPIKE.city> There's a subset of the user community (I guess Quinn is a member) that ritually denounces Outlook for a host of shortcomings with little regard for whether those shortcomings are real. I've used Outlook 2003 for only a few months, but my observation so far is that its junk mail filter works pretty well - about as well as Spambayes, actually. Indeed, I've been meaning to suggest that Spambayes take advantage of that by training on any manual movement of messages out of the junk mail folder. You can, of course, use the "delete as spam" button on a message in the junk mail folder, but not the "recover from spam" button. You could, I suppose, use Outlook's junk mail folder as Spambayes's spam folder; but in an Exchange environment Outlook's junk mail folder has to be in your Exchange inbox, while I've found it useful to place my Spambayes folders in a .pst file. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces at python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Quinn > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:27 PM > To: SpamBayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Filter By Language? (SpamBayes: > message 5 of 20) > > Quinn> Is there any filtering done for language encoding, and/or is > Quinn> there a way to automatically consider everything in certain > Quinn> encoding to be spam? > > Skip> Nope. I believe the charset is probably just another token. > Skip> Nothing is cast in stone with SpamBayes. > > So, it is at least considered, or was that an educated guess? > > Skip> If your mail program can filter on it, go ahead and set up a > Skip> filter to trap those mails with Russian encodings. > > Unfortunately, no. :-( I can filter for "Words in Header", > but not encoding. I might be able to do it by learning the > notations for the encodings, though. I hate Outlook. If I > were willing to use their junk mail filter, I could filter by > language, but it won't let you turn off everything _but_ that. Grr. > > Quinn From skip at pobox.com Wed Oct 18 13:47:51 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:47:51 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Randomized Spam Beating SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <000501c6f268$065a7570$1e00a8c0@Yoda> References: <17717.29582.234599.164082@montanaro.dyndns.org> <000501c6f268$065a7570$1e00a8c0@Yoda> Message-ID: <17718.5223.141542.926234@montanaro.dyndns.org> Shawn> Thanks Skip. While I can find nowhere that has a Tokenizer Shawn> section, the "Outlook.ini" file in the AppData folder looks like Shawn> it might do the trick. I'd be suspicious of that. Do a find on your disk for "default_bayes_customize.ini". Failing that, try searching for files with "bayes" in the name. The default distributed version starts with this comment: # This is the INI file for the *Bayes Engine* as used by the Outlook addin. # It is NOT where configuration information is stored for the addin - see # "[Profile Name].ini" for these settings. Further down it has this comment about which copy it finds takes precedence: # This file exists in the SpamBayes program directory, and may optionally # exist in the SpamBayes data directory. If you wish to make changes to # the default options, setting the option in a file in your data directory # will persist even when SpamBayes is upgraded. If you change the version in # the SpamBayes program directory, it will be upgraded along with SpamBayes, # so your changes will be lost. Options in the data directory file have # precedence over the app directory file. Once you find it, just add the options I mentioned to the [Tokenizer] section and restart. Shawn> I've added the settings below to that file. I'll let you know in Shawn> a few days if it made any difference. Were you the person with, like, 60,000 spams and a similar number of hams in your training set? Maybe try retraining from scratch. I have a total of about 400 emails in my training set and it works fine. Skip From emu at weinsteinkimpton.go-plus.net Wed Oct 18 13:58:20 2006 From: emu at weinsteinkimpton.go-plus.net (emu) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:58:20 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Unsubscribe please me! Message-ID: I truly apologise for sending this to all the mailing list - but cannot find any other way to get myself unsubscribed My Spambayes is moving all Spambayes emails into the unsure or junk mail folders - i find this very odd!! That Spambayes thinks its own messages are spam!! However - in this case it is right as I only wanted to be able to send a message to Spambayes, NOT to be on a large mailing list Thanks E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Skip From skip at pobox.com Wed Oct 18 14:05:41 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:05:41 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations In-Reply-To: References: <17711.1547.741607.724345@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <17718.6293.408119.327413@montanaro.dyndns.org> Seth> ... at least it doesn't seem to generate tokens from gif's. Do Seth> tokens from gif's look different from other tokens? You should get lots of stuff like this: b__n o++_l_o+__. r__h _nd_co+___ __'ri__ +r__ cow__ ______i c__tra_g: and___ __ll la_dre__ _r__._ __cdecl k__c yr+____ri t__pl rally___ __\_cbnn _hor__ bu__e__ ho__ Ocrad inserts an underscore when it can't decipher a character. Skip From jsp at PKC.com Wed Oct 18 14:10:43 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:10:43 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Filter By Language? In-Reply-To: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5007B26CDD@SPIKE.city> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04AFC@PKCVT01.pkc.com> How well Outlook's junk mail filtering works depends on 1) the messages you receive and 2) how well Microsoft's notion of junk matches yours, of course. For me, SpamBayes works much better than Outlook's filter. I have SpamBayes filter my Outlook junk folders because Outlook puts so much ham there. Likewise, a fair amount of spam ends up in my inbox if I don't have SpamBayes filter it. By the way, I don't think it's especially helpful to accuse groups or individuals of ritually doing anything. Whether or not you intend it, it implies thoughtlessness and is easily perceived as condescending and/or insulting. This can easily lead to a cycle of hostile responses that end up as shouting matches rather than productive communication. -jesse- -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Coe, Bob Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:47 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Filter By Language? There's a subset of the user community (I guess Quinn is a member) that ritually denounces Outlook for a host of shortcomings with little regard for whether those shortcomings are real. I've used Outlook 2003 for only a few months, but my observation so far is that its junk mail filter works pretty well - about as well as Spambayes, actually. Indeed, I've been meaning to suggest that Spambayes take advantage of that by training on any manual movement of messages out of the junk mail folder. You can, of course, use the "delete as spam" button on a message in the junk mail folder, but not the "recover from spam" button. You could, I suppose, use Outlook's junk mail folder as Spambayes's spam folder; but in an Exchange environment Outlook's junk mail folder has to be in your Exchange inbox, while I've found it useful to place my Spambayes folders in a .pst file. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces at python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Quinn > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:27 PM > To: SpamBayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Filter By Language? (SpamBayes: > message 5 of 20) > > Quinn> Is there any filtering done for language encoding, and/or is > Quinn> there a way to automatically consider everything in certain > Quinn> encoding to be spam? > > Skip> Nope. I believe the charset is probably just another token. > Skip> Nothing is cast in stone with SpamBayes. > > So, it is at least considered, or was that an educated guess? > > Skip> If your mail program can filter on it, go ahead and set up a > Skip> filter to trap those mails with Russian encodings. > > Unfortunately, no. :-( I can filter for "Words in Header", > but not encoding. I might be able to do it by learning the > notations for the encodings, though. I hate Outlook. If I > were willing to use their junk mail filter, I could filter by > language, but it won't let you turn off everything _but_ that. Grr. > > Quinn _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From skip at pobox.com Wed Oct 18 14:15:25 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:15:25 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations In-Reply-To: References: <17711.1547.741607.724345@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <17718.6877.526416.548287@montanaro.dyndns.org> Seth> Other issues: PIL is not there, Yes, that's a separate installer. I believe this is mentioned in the release notes. Get it here: http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/ Seth> and no x-image_size or x-crack_images in [tokenizer] section of Seth> ini file. Can you try adding these lines to the [tokenizer] section of the ini file? x-lookup_ip: True lookup_ip_cache: dnscache.pck x-image_size: True x-crack_images: True max_image_size: 100000 crack_image_cache: image_cache.pck You'll also have to install PyDNS: http://pydns.sourceforge.net/ for the x-lookup_ip stuff to work. Seth> I installed Python2.4.4c1, installed PIL 1.1.5 for python 2.4, Seth> added the four configuration lines you mentioned in another thread Seth> to the [tokenizer] section of the ini file and added the spambayes Seth> and python directories to the system path. Unfortunately, it Seth> still doesn't generate tokens from gif's. Perhaps there is an Seth> issue with spambayes using python24.dll while ocrad uses the full Seth> python2.4? Ocrad is a separate standalone program which isn't Python-specific. Unfortunately, it only works with NetPBM files as input (that's what PIL does for us), so it's probably a little challenging to run on a Windows machine. I uploaded a file here: http://orca.mojam.com/~skip/spam.pnm if you can't easily create one yourself. Running it like this ocrad -2 < spam.pnm on my Mac gives me this gibberish on standard output: ___AllE_llO_ ALL DA_ IRADER_ A_D |__E_IOR____ |__E_OIR ALERll II LOO__ Ll_E A_OIWER R__ FOR _w_wl WAl_W _w_w Ll_E A WAW_ o_ |___d__ A_O___ l. _oos _omO_n_ __m_ _O_IWWE_IER_ WEDl_AL. |__ __o_k __mbol _w_w Wond__ _lo__ o 11 _ol_m_ _.TSl.TO_ _h_nO_ _P o o__ (_T TB_/_) w__k__ __o ___.ooo.ooo 00 (AOO_o_) _WWM p_ R___A___ BR_A_IWC w_w_ | _o__hw______ M_dl_ol _ol__lo__ |__ _PIWW_W__T_ _WWM_ |_ Ol_o__d _o o__o____ _ho_ |_ ho_ ______d |__o _h_ _o_mol __oO__ o_ __Oo_lo_lo__ __Oo_dl_O Po_|_|_ Rlm _o_lo__ dl___lb__lo_ _o_ |__ O_oO_|__o__ _obO_o_d_TM_ O_od___ ||__ D__lnO _h_ |___ _ mon_h_. _o__hw______ M_dl_ol ho_ h_ld dl_____lo__ Oo_h___d do_o o_d __Olo__d _h_ O_o_O___|__ ||____|_o o_ |__ _obO_o_d_TMl dloO_o__|_ _____m _o b_ _old _h_o_Oh |_____o_lo_oll_ bo__d dl___lb__lo_ _omOo_|__ |__o Po_|_|_ Rlm o__o_ Th_ |_|_lol |_______ ho_ b___ ___ _h_ _ol_ o_ _h_ O_od___ _o_ Oo____m___ _mOlo___ ____|_O O_oO_om_ ___h o_ Ooll__ _o____ lo_ol o_d __o__ |___| wo____ o_d ol_o |__|_d__ hlOh__ |___| wo_Wo____ R_o_o__ _|__d _o_ _h_ |_______ o_ _h_ _obO_o_d_TM_ O_od___ ho__ b___ _h_ __ho___d _o__ o_ ___ o_ _h_ O_od___ o_d lmm_dlo__ o_ _|__ _o__|_mo_lo_ o_ w_ll o_ |____o__d __lloblll__ o_ _h_ ____|__ (_WE__ FA_ORllE _EW_ _llE FOR WORE) ADD lwl_ _EW lo _O_R RADAR A_D WAl_W IRADE o_ WO_DA_| DO_.| E_E_ BLl__| _w_w DOE__.| _LEEpl RPmo_al _ Dl__lalmP_ _ Skip From jsp at PKC.com Wed Oct 18 14:24:14 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:24:14 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Unsubscribe please me! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04AFD@PKCVT01.pkc.com> See http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes to unsubscribe. You train SpamBayes what you think is spam. It doesn't have any special handling for messages from the SpamBayes list, so if you train it to regard such messages as spam, it will do so. This reflects the strength of its approach to filtering mail. Note that in a sense, SpamBayes IS a large mailing list. The program is developed and maintained by a core group who subscribe to this list. It's supported by a larger community of people who appreciate the work the core group has done and the support they have received from the list and demonstrate that appreciation by helping others. It's sort of a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch somebody else's" model. Nobody's obligated to participate, of course. > _____________________________________________ > From: spambayes-bounces at python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of emu > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:58 AM > To: Spambayes > Subject: [Spambayes] Unsubscribe please me! > > I truly apologise for sending this to all the mailing list - but > cannot find any other way to get myself unsubscribed > > My Spambayes is moving all Spambayes emails into the unsure or junk > mail folders - i find this very odd!! That Spambayes thinks its own > messages are spam!! > > However - in this case it is right as I only wanted to be able to send > a message to Spambayes, NOT to be on a large mailing list > > Thanks > > E << File: ATT1059848.txt >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061018/527134ff/attachment.htm From sethg at goodmanassociates.com Wed Oct 18 19:17:33 2006 From: sethg at goodmanassociates.com (Seth Goodman) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:17:33 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations In-Reply-To: <17718.6877.526416.548287@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: skip at pobox.com wrote on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:15 AM -0500: > Seth> Other issues: PIL is not there, > > Yes, that's a separate installer. I believe this is mentioned in the > release notes. Get it here: > > http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/ That's the one I used. The Spambayes release notes are a little out of date, though they give enough to figure it out. |x-crack_images - A lot of recent spam contains the entire message | embedded in one or more attached images. This option, if true, | generates tokens based on the (hopefully) text content contained in any | images in each message. The current support is minimal, relies on the | installation of ocrad (http://www.gnu.org/software/ocrad/ocrad.html) and | the Python Imaging Library (a.k.a. PIL, available at | http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/). It has not yet been tested on | Windows, but for brave souls there is a simple zip file binary of ocrad | called "ocrad-cygwin" on the SpamBayes download page for Windows users | who can't build it themselves. PIL has its own Windows binary | installers specific to versions of Python as far back as 2.1. There is no orcad-ccygwin package on the Spambayes download page. There is testing-ocrad-0.15, however, ocrad is distributed with Spambayes 1.1a3, so I'm assuming it is not needed. The ocrad executable is not in the system path. Adding it does not help. Python and PIL are not installed as part of Spambayes 1.1.a3. I installed Python 2.4.4c1 from http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.4.4/python-2.4.4c1.msi, then installed PIL 1.1.5 for Python 2.4 from http://effbot.org/downloads/PIL-1.1.5.win32-py2.4.exe (this is the specific download link on the http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/ page). I tried both the default Python install directory of C:\Python24\ and the more usual Windows location of C:\Program Files\Python24\ with the same results. The PIL installer finds the Python24 directory correctly through the registry in both cases. The Python24 directory does not end up in the system path after the installation. Adding it doesn't make a difference. Since Spambayes uses python24.dll under Windows, would Spambayes still try to execute PIL through the separate Python2.4? > Seth> and no x-image_size or x-crack_images in [tokenizer] > section of Seth> ini file. > > Can you try adding these lines to the [tokenizer] section of the ini > file? > > x-lookup_ip: True > lookup_ip_cache: dnscache.pck > x-image_size: True > x-crack_images: True > max_image_size: 100000 > crack_image_cache: image_cache.pck > You'll also have to install PyDNS: > > http://pydns.sourceforge.net/ > > for the x-lookup_ip stuff to work. I used the last four of these configuration lines, as I didn't intend to test ip lookups. If you think the ip lookup stuff will make a difference, I can install PyDNS and try again. > > I installed Python2.4.4c1, installed PIL 1.1.5 for python 2.4, > > added the four configuration lines you mentioned in another thread > > to the [tokenizer] section of the ini file and added the spambayes > > and python directories to the system path. Unfortunately, it > > still doesn't generate tokens from gif's. Perhaps there is an > > issue with spambayes using python24.dll while ocrad uses the full > > python2.4? > > Ocrad is a separate standalone program which isn't Python-specific. > Unfortunately, it only works with NetPBM files as input (that's what > PIL does for us), so it's probably a little challenging to run on a > Windows machine. I uploaded a file here: > > http://orca.mojam.com/~skip/spam.pnm > > if you can't easily create one yourself. > > Running it like this > > ocrad -2 < spam.pnm > > on my Mac gives me this gibberish on standard output: > > ___AllE_llO_ ALL DA_ IRADER_ A_D |__E_IOR____ [...] Downloading the sample image file and running ocrad from the command line gives: ocrad: end-of-file reading pnm file. -- Seth Goodman From gbeaupre at prestigesales.com Wed Oct 18 18:32:31 2006 From: gbeaupre at prestigesales.com (Ginette Beaupre) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:32:31 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] View of e-mail in the training window Message-ID: <01d301c6f2d3$022e5550$8f03a8c0@PRESTIGE.LOCAL> Can you find a way to alphabetize the e-mail addresses in the training windows. In some circumstances, there are so many e-mails (I can get several hundred in one shot) that a person might inadvertently misclassify an address. Thank you. Gin. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If not, there are more basic problems to work out. Thx, Skip From sethg at goodmanassociates.com Wed Oct 18 21:30:34 2006 From: sethg at goodmanassociates.com (Seth Goodman) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:30:34 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations In-Reply-To: <17718.31806.132375.508207@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: skip at pobox.com wrote on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:11 PM -0500: > This being windows I wonder if this isn't a better incantation: > > ocrad -2 spam.pnm Same result. This is with orcrad.exe that installed with Spambayes 1.1a3 in \Program Files\Spambayes\bin\. If you like, I can spend some time (a couple of days from now) trying to get ocrad to run under Windows. -- Seth Goodman From skip at pobox.com Wed Oct 18 21:41:39 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:41:39 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations In-Reply-To: References: <17718.31806.132375.508207@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <17718.33651.15475.305503@montanaro.dyndns.org> >> ocrad -2 spam.pnm Seth> Same result. This is with orcrad.exe that installed with Seth> Spambayes 1.1a3 in \Program Files\Spambayes\bin\. If you like, I Seth> can spend some time (a couple of days from now) trying to get Seth> ocrad to run under Windows. Okay, that's good to know. The exe that was distributed with 1.1a3 was built (I think) by Tony Meyer under cygwin. In theory it was linked in such a way that it should run from a DOS shell, but there are apparently some warts on that toad. Any help you can give would be appreciated. Skip From jryan at gas.vacoxmail.com Thu Oct 19 00:14:17 2006 From: jryan at gas.vacoxmail.com (Jan Ryan) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:14:17 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Signing up for your service. Message-ID: <015501c6f302$c0bb43a0$640fa8c0@customer8xu8xm> How do I sign up? I've looked through your website and don't see a place that clearly says "sign up" or "register" for this service. Thanks, Jan Jan Ryan Corporate Video, Inc. Making your work easier. jryan at NewsPowerOnline.com 615-429-6290 Cell 24/7 615-256-4714 Office Nashville 540-446-5767 Office Virginia 800-348-9282 Toll Free Find your advantage at www.NewsPowerOnline.com News monitoring and clipping. Broadcast | Internet | Analysis | Media Value Member, International Association of Broadcast Monitors (IABM) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(403) 828-8677 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061019/ca4a19e5/attachment.html From skip at pobox.com Fri Oct 20 03:50:39 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:50:39 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] More spam getting in my inbox In-Reply-To: <68dd66020610191412o11420e9dj71b47dd8f5369b60@mail.gmail.com> References: <68dd66020610191412o11420e9dj71b47dd8f5369b60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17720.11119.982147.809637@montanaro.dyndns.org> Richard> I've had Spambayes for several years now and have not had any Richard> problems until recently. Lately, I've noticed a lot more spam Richard> ending up in my inbox. These are items that when I open them Richard> should definitely be classified as spam (organ elargement, Richard> etc.). After all this time, I assume the program should be Richard> getting rid of these. Any suggestions? Lots of spam is now distributed as images. Depending on your mail program, this may or may not be apparent when you read the mail. Text embedded in images has been impossible to deal with until recently. A new test version of SpamBayes (1.1a3) is out, but the experience of the past day or two has demonstrated that it currently doesn't work with Outlook. It should work in Unix environments (I use it on my Mac with no problem). We're working on getting it to work with Outlook as time permits. Skip From skip at pobox.com Fri Oct 20 03:59:52 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:59:52 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes on Office12/Vista In-Reply-To: <004201c6f3c5$447b0e60$cd712b20$@com> References: <004201c6f3c5$447b0e60$cd712b20$@com> Message-ID: <17720.11672.878597.811956@montanaro.dyndns.org> Aaron> Anyone got any suggestions for getting SpamBayes functioning on Aaron> Office12/Vista? It worked fine after the install, but after a Aaron> reboot it can't seem to get itself underway. There was a Aaron> permissions problem with the db, fixed that, now I'm getting some Aaron> errors I don't recognize. I've never heard of Office12/Vista. What sort of platform does it run on (Windows, Linux, some other Unix dialect)? Which SpamBayes tool were you using (Outlook plugin, sb_server, sb_filter, ...)? Aaron> I posted a bug (well, technically since vista is beta, it's not a Aaron> severe bug) on the bugzilla for spambayes. I'm trying to read Aaron> back through the code, but a) my python's pretty amateurish (now, Aaron> if this were Perl.), and b) I'm not sure what I'm looking for. I can't find your bug report searching for "vista" on the SpamBayes bug tracker. SpamBayes doesn't use Bugzilla. Are you sure you filed your bug report on the SpamBayes bug tracker? Do you have a URL? Skip From skip at pobox.com Fri Oct 20 04:39:40 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:39:40 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes on Office12/Vista In-Reply-To: <17720.11672.878597.811956@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <004201c6f3c5$447b0e60$cd712b20$@com> <17720.11672.878597.811956@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <17720.14060.532192.553674@montanaro.dyndns.org> >>>>> "skip" == skip writes: Aaron> Anyone got any suggestions for getting SpamBayes functioning on Aaron> Office12/Vista? It worked fine after the install, but after a Aaron> reboot it can't seem to get itself underway. There was a Aaron> permissions problem with the db, fixed that, now I'm getting some Aaron> errors I don't recognize. skip> I've never heard of Office12/Vista. Of course, about 3 seconds after hitting the send key I realized, "Oh, *that* Vista."... Skip From rickfriedman at verizon.net Fri Oct 20 06:34:32 2006 From: rickfriedman at verizon.net (Rick Friedman) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:34:32 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Hangs When Server Can't Be Reached Message-ID: <1161318872.3985.11.camel@localhost> I'm running Spambayes 1.1a3 on SuSE Linux 10.1 and have been very happy with it. Tonight though, I've come across a problem. I use Evolution as my email client. I have several mail accounts setup to access mail through sb_server.py. It has been working fine all along. However, tonight, the remote server of one of my accounts appears to be unreachable. To check which one it was, I restarted sb_server.py in a console. When I tried to retrieve mail the following was displayed on the console: Can't connect to mail.server.net:110: (110, 'ETIMEDOUT') (BTW... I changed the name of the mail server in the above line) This timeout seems to hang spambayes... it never gets the mail for my other accounts (different mail servers). At this point, if I try to access the Spambayes server webpage (localhost:8880) in my browser, it never appears. The browser simply says, "Waiting for localhost." If I remove the unreachable mail server from Evolution's mail retrieval process (and restart sb_server.py), then spambayes retrieves mail from all my other accounts with no problem. It seems to me that if a remote mail server is unreachable, it shouldn't hang spambayes like that. Spambayes should be able to successfully complete mail retrieval of my other accounts. No? Thanks, Rick -- Rick's Law: What cannot be imagined will be accomplished by a fool. PGP Key Id: 9E1125E0 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have been more disturbed by the much higher number of false positives than by the spam that SpamBayes missed. But it has been working much better lately. I of course consider the possibility that the ever-changing tactics of the spammers is partly to blame. I haven't used a different anti-spam product in quite some time. [+] I love the Outlook integration. I like this much better than the common alternative of a local proxy. Thank you! [-] I don't like having a "Junk Suspects" folder. To me, this just means that I have two spam folders to manage instead of one. As a work around, I have just set both spam and spam suspects to go to the same Junk folder. I just made this change, so I don't yet know if this will cause any problems, but I don't see why it should. I just wanted to let you know that I think it's not overly useful, to have the Suspects folder I mean, if the spam is getting separated from my Inbox in the first place, and I have to evaluate it anyway, that it should all be in the same spam folder. My previous comment about "ever-changing tactics" on the part of the spammers should be a good example of the fact that what is and isn't spam is hard to determine. Therefore, I cannot (and should not) trust 100% that everything that goes into the Junk folder really is spam, and that everything that goes into the Suspects folder isn't spam. Hence, I have to manage both. Thanks for your time, and thanks again for SpamBayes! Best Regards, -scott From webmaster at calgarysun.com Fri Oct 20 17:05:06 2006 From: webmaster at calgarysun.com (Aaron Hawryluk) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:05:06 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes on Office12/Vista In-Reply-To: <17720.14060.532192.553674@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <004201c6f3c5$447b0e60$cd712b20$@com> <17720.11672.878597.811956@montanaro.dyndns.org> <17720.14060.532192.553674@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <006a01c6f459$242acfd0$6c806f70$@com> LOL. Yes indeed, *that* Vista. Bug ID is 1565874. Logs are posted both for the db permissions problem (which I worked around by assigning open permissions on the db files) and the other troubles which look to be either file-path or registry differences between Vista and WinXP (Objects not having any properties, etc.) I may still start digging around in SpamBayes to try and get a little bit of a clearer report going. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1565874&group_id=61702&atid= 498103 --Aaron -----Original Message----- From: skip at pobox.com [mailto:skip at pobox.com] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:40 PM To: Aaron Hawryluk; SpamBayes Mailing List Subject: Re: [Spambayes] SpamBayes on Office12/Vista >>>>> "skip" == skip writes: Aaron> Anyone got any suggestions for getting SpamBayes functioning on Aaron> Office12/Vista? It worked fine after the install, but after a Aaron> reboot it can't seem to get itself underway. There was a Aaron> permissions problem with the db, fixed that, now I'm getting some Aaron> errors I don't recognize. skip> I've never heard of Office12/Vista. Of course, about 3 seconds after hitting the send key I realized, "Oh, *that* Vista."... Skip From skip at pobox.com Fri Oct 20 17:08:30 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:08:30 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes feedback In-Reply-To: <20061020142739.IOMD16798.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20061020142739.IOMD16798.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <17720.58990.334971.4423@montanaro.dyndns.org> Scott> [-] I found that SpamBayes to be much less accurate "out of the Scott> box" than other free anti-spam products I've tested. It's my Scott> opinion that SpamBayes took much longer to train than I expected Scott> in order to reach a level of usefulness. I have fed SpamBayes Scott> well over 1000 spam messages. How many hams have you trained on? What sort of settings do you have for the thresholds? Out-of-the-box the spam and ham thresholds are pretty conservative. Skip From amedee at amedee.be Fri Oct 20 17:59:37 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:59:37 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes feedback In-Reply-To: <20061020142739.IOMD16798.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20061020142739.IOMD16798.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <1161359977.14855.88.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Op vrijdag 20-10-2006 om 07:27 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Scott: > [-] I don't like having a "Junk Suspects" folder. To me, this just means > that I have two spam folders to manage instead of one. As a work around, I > have just set both spam and spam suspects to go to the same Junk folder. I > just made this change, so I don't yet know if this will cause any problems, > but I don't see why it should. I just wanted to let you know that I think > it's not overly useful, to have the Suspects folder I mean, if the spam is > getting separated from my Inbox in the first place, and I have to evaluate > it anyway, that it should all be in the same spam folder. My previous > comment about "ever-changing tactics" on the part of the spammers should be > a good example of the fact that what is and isn't spam is hard to determine. > Therefore, I cannot (and should not) trust 100% that everything that goes > into the Junk folder really is spam, and that everything that goes into the > Suspects folder isn't spam. Hence, I have to manage both. Scott, I respectfully disagree. For me, the spam folder contains spam that is really, really, really spam. I'm so confident about it that my procmail doesn't even put it in a spam folder but directly in /dev/null. I also have 2 "suspect" folders: possible ham and possible spam. About 1 or 2 messages wind up in these folders every day (of the several hundreds that arrive, according to postfix) To be honest, having a native language that isn't English helps a lot. This means that bayesian spam filters are more effective for languages that aren't used a lot in spam. Just my pet theory. -- Amedee From scotthaggard at cox.net Fri Oct 20 21:21:02 2006 From: scotthaggard at cox.net (Scott) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:21:02 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes feedback In-Reply-To: <17720.58990.334971.4423@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20061020192102.JMQQ12909.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Hi Skip, Thanks for your quick response. I would have to say it's in the neighborhood of 500-600 hams that I've had it train on. It has 90/15 for thresholds. I never changed the thresholds, nor have I played around with those numbers. I just didn't know know enough to have any idea what to change them to. Do you recommend some other settings? I would definitely be willing to change those for better results, however, as of late I have been seeing improvement. -scott > -----Original Message----- > From: skip at pobox.com [mailto:skip at pobox.com] > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:08 AM > To: Scott > Cc: spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] SpamBayes feedback > > > Scott> [-] I found that SpamBayes to be much less > accurate "out of the > Scott> box" than other free anti-spam products I've > tested. It's my > Scott> opinion that SpamBayes took much longer to train > than I expected > Scott> in order to reach a level of usefulness. I have > fed SpamBayes > Scott> well over 1000 spam messages. > > How many hams have you trained on? What sort of settings do > you have for the thresholds? Out-of-the-box the spam and ham > thresholds are pretty conservative. > > Skip > From scotthaggard at cox.net Fri Oct 20 21:45:44 2006 From: scotthaggard at cox.net (Scott) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:45:44 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes feedback In-Reply-To: <1161359977.14855.88.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Message-ID: <20061020194544.SWGJ6077.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Hi Amedee, I'm glad that you are 100% confident that you'll never get any false positives. Unfortunately, I can't share that level of confidence, at least not at this time. I'm just not a trusting enough person to do so. Also, I have already seen enough false-positives from SpamBayes that indicate to me that I shouldn't yet trust it above a certain level. But I think I will always want to review my spam folder. Initially, it's just a matter of getting the spam out of my way so I can look at my important email right away, then look at my spam folder later, just to make sure everything is kosher. I believe that spammers are persistent, and good at what they do. As they are able to make their junk email look more and more like legitimate email (to anti-spam filters), this automatically reduces the legitimacy of non-spam messages. It is for this reason that I could never trust an anti-spam product 100%. Darn those spammer guys. For me, it's either in my Inbox, or it's not. After that it's not really very important to me what the percentage of clues is for a given message. This is just my way of looking at it. I'm guessing, wait strike that, I don't need to guess, that not everybody is going to look at it the same way as I do. I just wanted to share my experience is all. I still like SpamBayes overall and I'll continue to use it for the time being. I'm an IT support guy, and I even recommend SpamBayes to many people that I help. I agree with your theory about the English language thing, it makes sense. Thanks again, -scott > -----Original Message----- > From: Amedee Van Gasse [mailto:amedee at amedee.be] > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:00 AM > To: Scott > Cc: spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] SpamBayes feedback > > Op vrijdag 20-10-2006 om 07:27 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Scott: > > > [-] I don't like having a "Junk Suspects" folder. To me, this just > > means that I have two spam folders to manage instead of > one. As a work > > around, I have just set both spam and spam suspects to go > to the same > > Junk folder. I just made this change, so I don't yet know > if this will > > cause any problems, but I don't see why it should. I just wanted to > > let you know that I think it's not overly useful, to have > the Suspects > > folder I mean, if the spam is getting separated from my > Inbox in the > > first place, and I have to evaluate it anyway, that it > should all be > > in the same spam folder. My previous comment about "ever-changing > > tactics" on the part of the spammers should be a good > example of the fact that what is and isn't spam is hard to determine. > > Therefore, I cannot (and should not) trust 100% that > everything that > > goes into the Junk folder really is spam, and that everything that > > goes into the Suspects folder isn't spam. Hence, I have to > manage both. > > Scott, > > I respectfully disagree. > For me, the spam folder contains spam that is really, really, > really spam. I'm so confident about it that my procmail > doesn't even put it in a spam folder but directly in /dev/null. > I also have 2 "suspect" folders: possible ham and possible spam. > About 1 or 2 messages wind up in these folders every day (of > the several hundreds that arrive, according to postfix) > > To be honest, having a native language that isn't English helps a lot. > This means that bayesian spam filters are more effective for > languages that aren't used a lot in spam. Just my pet theory. > > -- > Amedee > From bnewmark at optonline.net Fri Oct 20 22:40:21 2006 From: bnewmark at optonline.net (Bob Newmark) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:40:21 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] my "spam suspects" folder disappeared Message-ID: <000701c6f487$f79f1c80$660310ac@cax.local> One minute it was there and the next it was gone, I am pretty sure did not delete it (I did this once about a year ago - what a pain). I don't want to reset everything it takes a month or more to get it retrained. Any suggestions? Regards, FAX, LLC. Bob Newmark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061020/bea921c2/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob, I suspect this will help: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam-folder Skip From giftofgracekennels at hotmail.com Fri Oct 20 23:09:15 2006 From: giftofgracekennels at hotmail.com (Dedrick Johnson) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:09:15 +0000 Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you for sending us your question for Jennifer. Message-ID: Hi, My name is Nicole Johnson. I am a breeder of White Shepherds. I and many of my fellow White Shepherd breeders are very curious as to which breeder Jennifer Aniston got her puppy Dolly from. I was very thrilled to hear about Jennifer Aniston getting a White Shepherd. This is a wonderful breed that can be trained to do just about anything. If you could let us know we would be very greatful as our curiosity is getting to us all. Have a great day and thank you for your time. 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Just Click PLAY. http://musicstore.sympatico.msn.ca/content/viewer.aspx?cid=SMS_Sept192006 From amedee at amedee.be Sat Oct 21 00:03:53 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 00:03:53 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] error in sb_server.py after upgrade In-Reply-To: <39836.82.146.101.169.1161090843.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <39836.82.146.101.169.1161090843.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <1161381833.14855.100.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Op dinsdag 17-10-2006 om 15:14 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Amedee Van Gasse: > I just upgraded to the latest&greatest version of spambayes, and now > sb_server.py tells me: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 979, in ? > state = State() > File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 719, in __init__ > self.init() > File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 734, in init > self.lang_manager.set_language(\ > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/i18n.py", line 116, in > locale_default_lang > return getdefaultlocale()[0] > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/locale.py", line 346, in getdefaultlocale > return _parse_localename(localename) > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/locale.py", line 280, in _parse_localename > raise ValueError, 'unknown locale: %s' % localename > ValueError: unknown locale: en_DE:en_US:en_GB:en > Forget I ever asked. The last line says it all: ValueError: unknown locale: en_DE:en_US:en_GB:en I changed $LANGUAGE to nl_BE and now it works like a charm! -- Amedee Van Gasse From shawn at 12pointdesign.com Sat Oct 21 00:26:29 2006 From: shawn at 12pointdesign.com (Shawn K. Hall) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:26:29 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes feedback In-Reply-To: <20061020192102.JMQQ12909.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <0a8a01c6f496$cf6ee1a0$1e00a8c0@Yoda> Hi Scott, > ...It has 90/15 for thresholds. I never changed the > thresholds, nor have I played around with those numbers. I > just didn't know know enough to have any idea what to > change them to. Do you recommend some other settings? The thresholds are exactly that. If you've added the percentage display as a column in Outlook you can see the spam value that Spambayes assigns to each message. If you look in your spam folder and the ones you recover are generally 90-95 while the ones you can guarantee are spam are 97+, change the threshold for 'spam' to 96 (from 90) and you'll have a more effective spam filter. Likewise, if your 'good' messages that end up in the possible folder have a mid-range spam value percentage (30-40-ish), you can increase the threshold for the possible folder up above that value in order to have good mail stay in your inbox. Also, I think it's a bad idea to treat the spam and possible folders as the same. They are not. In fact, using the same folder for both is likely to cause significant problems in correct classification. There is a setting in the spambayes manager on the training tab in the 'incremental training' section. There are two boxes to enable you to train messages as spam/ham based on when you move it to or from the spam folder. If you are using the same folder for spam and possible, you will NEVER be able to mark messages in your possible folder as spam, since the message won't be moved. Likewise, if a single message is returned to the inbox from spam (vs possible) it effects the legitimacy of the content more significantly, so the training of a message returned from a 'mixed' spam folder would have unreliable training value. SpamBayes does require training. The more you put into it the more effective it will be. If you have a cache of legitimate messages to train on then you could increase the validity of the filtering siply by running the automated training facility. It does not work as effectively when the numbers are grossly out of whack (you have over double the number of spam than ham). Finally, most of the people that I've helped configure SpamBayes that ever complain about the possible folder are ones that tend to leave mail in it. This folder should be regularly (daily at least) emptied. Either recover the mail or mark it as spam. DO NOT leave it in there. If you do, SpamBayes will not have indexed the keys withing those messages correctly to classify them as ham or spam, so future messages with those terms, which are already in the mid-range, will not be able to be classified correctly. SpamBayes has worked perfectly for me for a couple years now. I love it. It is only very recently that I've been having problems (within the last month or two), and it is due to the way newer spam messages are written. Considering the amount of spam I get, the number of spam messages that I have to manually touch is inconsequential. Regards, Shawn K. Hall http://12PointDesign.com/ From shawn at 12pointdesign.com Sat Oct 21 10:46:44 2006 From: shawn at 12pointdesign.com (Shawn K. Hall) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 01:46:44 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Randomized Spam Beating SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <17718.5223.141542.926234@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <0bf701c6f4ed$70115b50$1e00a8c0@Yoda> Thanks, Skip. > "default_bayes_customize.ini". It's in "C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\" > Once you find it, just add the options I mentioned > to the [Tokenizer] section and restart. Is there any means of directly testing that the settings applied are actually taking effect? > Were you the person with, like, 60,000 spams and a > similar number of hams in your training set? Maybe > try retraining from scratch. I have a total of > about 400 emails in my training set and it works > fine. Yes. I'm concerned about the volume of spam I might receive if I were to try starting with a clean database. I get over 4,000 messages a day, with well over half of that being spam that I receive with the express purpose of analyzing spam to train my server to more efectively filter it. Starting with a blank database, even if it were significantly fine-tuned within the first day would leave literally thousands of spam messages untrained in a single week. Right now I'm having about 20-25 spam messages make it to my inbox each day after training with the 60k message ham+spam archives. At 4k messages per day and probably 2500-3000 of them being spam - 20-25 is at or less than 1% getting through. I can live with that. It's far better than having a couple hundred per day. I am considering backing up my current database and trying a new one (with the current one available as a fallback). On a very timely related note, the following article was publicized by Frisk Software today: http://www.secureworks.com/analysis/spamthru/ It discusses the use of virus-infected botnets for spamming. Regards, Shawn K. Hall http://12PointDesign.com/ From skip at pobox.com Sat Oct 21 16:01:27 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 09:01:27 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Randomized Spam Beating SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <0bf701c6f4ed$70115b50$1e00a8c0@Yoda> References: <17718.5223.141542.926234@montanaro.dyndns.org> <0bf701c6f4ed$70115b50$1e00a8c0@Yoda> Message-ID: <17722.10295.904629.20169@montanaro.dyndns.org> >> Once you find it, just add the options I mentioned to the [Tokenizer] >> section and restart. Shawn> Is there any means of directly testing that the settings applied Shawn> are actually taking effect? Well, as of yesterday I can tell you they won't take effect. There is a bug in the ocrad.exe file. Tony Meyer fixed that. I've updated the ocrad-cygwin package here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=61702 If you download that and replace the ocrad.exe in C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin that will be one problem solved. However, there will be more issues to deal with. If you could do me a favor, perhaps I can tweak things and further update things so that it will actually find ocrad.exe and use it. Locate the file ImageStripper.py. I think you'll find it at C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\spambayes\ImageStripper.py Let me know where you find it. I'll tweak a couple settings there and shoot you a new copy. Shawn> Yes. I'm concerned about the volume of spam I might receive if I Shawn> were to try starting with a clean database. I get over 4,000 Shawn> messages a day, with well over half of that being spam that I Shawn> receive with the express purpose of analyzing spam to train my Shawn> server to more efectively filter it. Starting with a blank Shawn> database, even if it were significantly fine-tuned within the Shawn> first day would leave literally thousands of spam messages Shawn> untrained in a single week. I think you should be able to do something like this: 1. empty your database 2. check your mail 3. file a dozen or so spams as spam and a dozen or so hams as ham 4. tell SpamBayes to recheck your inbox 5. repeat 3 & 4 a couple times You should wind up with it properly scoring most of your inbox very quickly. Shawn> On a very timely related note, the following article was Shawn> publicized by Frisk Software today: Shawn> http://www.secureworks.com/analysis/spamthru/ Shawn> It discusses the use of virus-infected botnets for spamming. Sure, that's the major source of spam these days. Skip From lynxlady_2003 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 22 01:05:18 2006 From: lynxlady_2003 at yahoo.com (D H) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Spambayes] Recover email erroneously sent to spam manually Message-ID: <20061021230518.55160.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> please let me know how to recover my email sent to spam. 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When and only when I have the spambayes plugin installed , "send page" and "send link" do not work in explorer. The first time after a reboot this works.. However the second time i do it, I get a pop up saying "micrsoft office outlook operation failed". This is because there is a zombie outlook process outlook.exe hanging around from the first time i did "send link". Until I manually kill the zombie outlook process in task manager, send link and send page do not work. Yes, my program defaults are right. How do I stop it? I did try reinstalling outlook 2003 and letting it reset to default settings - no luck. Leaving outlook open does not improve the behavior - the zombie still gets created after the first send page/link command. It is something about explorer+ outlook with spambayes that makes outlook zombies. Please let me know how to fix this.. Darren Blazeiko, CHA General Manager The Royal Oak Inn & Suites -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061021/51017f61/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Oct 22 10:52:42 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:52:42 +1300 Subject: [Spambayes] how do I figure out what version I have? Message-ID: <0827BEF9-B1C8-4160-94FA-EDDC6963C83F@ihug.co.nz> [Matt] >>> I cannot figure out to tell what the overall version of >>> spambayes is. I see some versioning on individual scripts, but >>> not an overall one. >>> >>> Is there a method to do this? [Skip] >> [...] >> >>> import spambayes >> >>> spambayes.__version__ >> '1.1a3' [Matt] > May I suggest that we add this to the FAQ? Well, it misses the "F", really, since I don't recall anyone asking this before. Note that you can also get the version in the 'normal' way with sb_filter (I don't recall when this was added - it might have been 1.1a3): $ python scripts/sb_filter.py -v SpamBayes Command Line Filter Version 1.1a3 (August 2006) $ python scripts/sb_filter.py --version SpamBayes Command Line Filter Version 1.1a3 (August 2006) Not all of the scripts have this, but sb_server/sb_imapfilter have the version on all pages of the web interface and outputs the version to stdout when starting up, and those three (plus the Outlook add-in) are probably the vast majority of all uses. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Oct 22 11:08:06 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:08:06 +1300 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes feedback In-Reply-To: <20061020142739.IOMD16798.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20061020142739.IOMD16798.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: > [-] I don't like having a "Junk Suspects" folder. To me, this just > means > that I have two spam folders to manage instead of one. As a work > around, I > have just set both spam and spam suspects to go to the same Junk > folder. I > just made this change, so I don't yet know if this will cause any > problems, > but I don't see why it should. If you've left the thresholds at the defaults (which later messages indicate you have), you have effectively set both thresholds to 0.15. IOW, any message that scores more than 0.15 is spam. Any tokens that haven't been seen before score 0.5 - so unknown messages are much, much higher than your threshold. You'll end up with a *lot* of false positives. If you're certain you want to not have an unsure range, (a) consider a filter that isn't aimed at creating one, or (b) consider a threshold around 0.4 to 0.6. As to whether there should be one or not: Most users experience such a low false positive rate that they have no need to check messages classified as spam. This reduces the practical ?spam workload?, defined as percentage of messages needing manual checking, to around 2-5% of the total mail stream. Any system that exhibits a non-trivial false positive rate requires the user to check all messages classified as spam to ensure that valuable mail is not lost, dramatically reducing the value of the spam filtering technology. SpamBayes allows the user to configure the size and position of the unsure range to ensure the number of messages classified as unsure is consistent with the user?s comfort level, training database and risk tolerance of false positives. A remarkable property of chi-combining is that people have generally been sympathetic to its ?unsure? ratings: people usually agree that messages classed unsure really are hard to categorize. For example, commercial HTML email from a company you do business with is quite likely to score as unsure the first time the classifier sees such a message from a particular company. Spam and commercial email both use the language and devices of advertising heavily, so it is hard to tell them apart. SpamBayes users typically experience no false positives; this is not from an inherent strength of SpamBayes over similar statistical (or other) filters, but as a result of the unsure range. Essentially, the messages that would otherwise have been false positives are classified as unsure. The advantage of this system is that the volume of mail that the user must scan to find errors (both false positives and false negatives) is greatly reduced; typically between one and five percent of messages are classified as unsure, which is generally much lower than the percentage of mail that is spam. As a result, users are more likely to take the time to scan the unsure folder than they would be to scan the entire spam folder, more able to identify the correct classification (rather than missing a false positive in a crowded spam folder) and more likely to appropriately train messages therein. The disadvantage of this system is that the percentage of messages that are classified as unsure is typically higher than the combined percentage of false negative and false positive messages obtained when using a classifier that does not include an unsure range. In simple terms, more messages must be manually corrected, but fewer messages must be manually examined. [Stolen, with minor adaption, from my papers: http://www.ceas.cc/papers-2004/136.pdf http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/research/spambayes/ tameyer_trec_2005.pdf] If you are concerned with possible false positives, then you will still scan your spam folder. However, there's scanning, and there's scanning. If there wasn't an unsure range, and the false positive rate was around 1%, then you'd have to carefully scan the spam folder. With a false positive rate close to 0%, you can quickly flick through the folder, probably just glancing at senders & subjects. Scanning through the unsure folder, since it contains many fewer messages than the spam/ham folders, is quick. Would you rather spend 20 minutes scanning through the spam folder daily, or 5 minutes scanning the spam folder each week and 2 minutes scanning the unsure folder each day? =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Oct 22 11:14:41 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:14:41 +1300 Subject: [Spambayes] Filter By Language? In-Reply-To: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5007B26CDD@SPIKE.city> References: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5007B26CDD@SPIKE.city> Message-ID: <86C1E358-4213-4035-8B47-D2F5A16E34BF@ihug.co.nz> > I've used Outlook 2003 for only > a few months, but my observation so far is that its junk mail filter > works pretty well - about as well as Spambayes, actually. Indeed, I've > been meaning to suggest that Spambayes take advantage of that by > training on any manual movement of messages out of the junk mail > folder. > You can, of course, use the "delete as spam" button on a message in > the > junk mail folder, but not the "recover from spam" button. > > You could, I suppose, use Outlook's junk mail folder as Spambayes's > spam > folder; but in an Exchange environment Outlook's junk mail folder > has to > be in your Exchange inbox, while I've found it useful to place my > Spambayes folders in a .pst file. Using Outlook's junk mail folder as SpamBayes' spam folder is what 'we' intend people to do, whether they're using Outlook's filtering or not. In fact, the default names of the spam & unsure folders were changed to match Outlook's way back when the plug-in was in its infancy. Manually moving messages out of the junk mail folder will work (assuming that option is still enabled in the Manager) - and there are other benefits, like being able to 'empty' the folder via the context menu. Why do you find it better to have the SpamBayes folders stored locally? You could open a feature request to be able to monitor other folders for moving messages, but, realistically, there's little chance of that being implemented by anyone currently involved in the next year. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From hyman at tesco.net Mon Oct 23 00:10:19 2006 From: hyman at tesco.net (Kevin Hyman) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:10:19 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a Message-ID: <000901c6f626$dccde8f0$0502a8c0@blackhole> Hi I have been happily using 1.1a for some time. Is there any intent to freeze this into a formal release? Thanks for any news Kevin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061022/c94488bf/attachment.htm From kaspervg at post.cybercity.dk Mon Oct 23 02:45:00 2006 From: kaspervg at post.cybercity.dk (Kasper Vibe Grevsen) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 02:45:00 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations Message-ID: <000b01c6f63c$78785320$0600000a@kasper> Hi friends, as posted elsewhere there is a NetPbm port for Windows. I think it would be beneficial for Windows users if it was possible to use that with SpamBayes instead of having to setup PIL/Python. I am trying to make ocrad run in combination with SpamBayes for Windows as well. First: The ocrad.exe in the download section is according to the version info really v. 0.14 and is exactly the same as the one in the windows installer package (and not v. 0.15 as tagged in the download area!). Secondly: Yes, the program runs from CMD and it actually produces very nice output, but the pnm-file you link to are apparently invalid. Third: You seem to have the scale parameter format wrong, that's why the output is so bad. Ok, here is how to test it: -Download IrfanView from http://www.irfanview.com/download_sites.htm -Download and open the pnm file from the link -Select Edit -> Copy then Edit -> Paste in the menu (to create a new, non-corrupted image) -Save as PGM (What I did, but other P*M formats should work too) -Now execute ocrad Here are two test runs. First one with incorrect parameter format as in your example. Second with correct scaling parameter: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >ocrad -4 Clipboard01.pgm ___AllE_llO_ ALL DA_ IRADER_ A_D |__E_IOR____ _omO_n_ __m_ _O_TWW__T_R__ W_Dl_AL. lh_ __o_k __mbol _wnw Wond__ _lo__ o 11 _ol_m_ _.TSl.TO_ _h_nO_ _P o o__ (_T TB_/_) w__k__ __o ___.ooo.ooo 00 (AOO_o_) _WWM p_ R___A___ BR_A_IWC w_w_ | _o__hw______ M_dl_ol _ol__lo__ |__ _PIWW_W__T_ _WWM_ |_ Ol_o__d _o o__o____ _ho_ |_ ho_ ______d |__o _h_ _o_mol __oO__ o_ __Oo_lo_lo__ __Oo_dl_O Po_|_|_ Rlm _o_lo__ dl___lb__lo_ _o_ |__ O_oO_|__o__ _obO_o_d_TM_ O_od___ ||__ D__lnO _h_ |___ _ mon_h_. _o__hw______ M_dl_ol ho_ h_ld dl_____lo__ Oo_h___d do_o o_d __Olo__d _h_ O_o_O___|__ ||____|_o o_ |__ _obO_o_d_TMl dloO_o__|_ _____m _o b_ _old _h_o_Oh |_____o_lo_oll_ bo__d dl___lb__lo_ _omOo_|__ |__o Po_|_|_ Rlm o__o_ Th_ |_|_lol |_______ ho_ b___ ___ _h_ _ol_ o_ _h_ O_od___ _o_ Oo____m___ _mOlo___ ____|_O O_oO_om_ ___h o_ Ooll__ _o____ lo_ol o_d __o__ |___| wo____ o_d ol_o |__|_d__ hlOh__ |___| wo_Wo____ R_o_o__ _|__d _o_ _h_ |_______ o_ _h_ _obO_o_d_TM_ O_od___ ho__ b___ _h_ __ho___d _o__ o_ ___ o_ _h_ O_od___ o_d lmm_dlo__ o_ _|__ _o__|_mo_lo_ o_ w_ll o_ |____o__d __lloblll__ o_ _h_ ____|__ l_w___ _k__oRIr_ h_w_ '_Ir_ _ow WOl_L) ADD lwl_ _EW lo _O_R RADAR A_D WAl_W IRADE o_ WO_DA_| DO_.| E_E_ BLl__| _w_w DOE__.| _LEEpl RPmo_al _ Dl__lalmP_ _ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ocrad -s4 Clipboard01.pgm ?wwATTENTION ALL DAy.TRADERS AND INVESTORSwww . . . Company Name: 3auTww5_T5RPd M_ar__L, ?h'_L Stock Symbol: 3w__q Monday Close: 0.11 Volume: 5,761,702 Change: uP 0.025 (27.78?_o) Market Cap: $33,000,000.00 (Approx) SWNM,PK RELEASES BREAKING NEWS ! . Sou_hwes_ern Medical Solu_ions, Inc, (PINKSHEETS_ SWNM), is pleased _o announce _ha_ i_ has en_e?ed in_o _he formal s_a?es of nego_ia_ions regarding Pacific Rim na_ions dis_ribu_ion for i_s proprie_ary Labguard(TM) produc_ line, . . Dur?ng _he las_ s mon_hs, Sou_hwes_ern Medical has held discussions, ga_hered da_a, and explored _he prospec_ive licensing of i_s Labguard(TM) diagnos_ic sys_em, _o be sold _hrough in_erna_ionally based dis_ribu_ion companies in_o Pacific Rim a_eas, The ini_ial in_eres_ has been fur _he sale of _he produc_ for governmen_ employee _es_ing programs such as police forces, local and s_a_e level workers, and also includes higher-level wor_orces, Reasons ci_ed for _he in_eres_ of _he Labguard(TM) produc_ have been _he enhanced ease of use of _he produc_ and immedia_e on-si_e confirma_ion as well as increased reliabili_y of _he resul_s, . . __W__K _A__aRIr_ __w_ _Ir_ _aw Ma___3 -- ADD THIS GEM TO YOUR RADAR AND WATCH TRADE ON MONDAY! -- DON'T EVEN BLINK! -- SWNM DOESN'T SLEEP! . . Removal_ _ Disclaimer_ _ -- Best regards Vibe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061023/d6eafd05/attachment.html From kaspervg at post.cybercity.dk Mon Oct 23 03:19:41 2006 From: kaspervg at post.cybercity.dk (Kasper Vibe Grevsen) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:19:41 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations Message-ID: <000701c6f641$5133bc50$0600000a@kasper> Hi again, a little more experimentation gave these results: > ocrad -s4 Clipboard01.pgm -T0.8 ?wwATTENTION ALL. DAy.TRADERS AND INVESTORSwww . . INVESOTR ALERT! . . IT LOOKS LIKE ANOTHER RUN FOR SWNM! WATCH SWNM LIKE A HAWK ON Tuesday August l, 2006 . . . Company Name: SOUTHWESTERN MEDICAL, INC. Stock Symbol: SWNM Monday Close: 0.11 Volume: 5,761,702 Change: uP 0.025 (27.78?_o) Market Cap: $33,000,000.00 (Approx) . . SWNM,P_ RELEASES BREAKING NEWS ! . Sou_hwes_ern Medical Solu_ions, Inc, (PINKSHEETS_ SWNM), is pleased _o announce _a_ i_ has en_e?ed in_o _he formal s_a?es of nego_ia_ions regarding Pacific Rim na_ions dis_ribu_ion for i_s _roprie_ary Labguard(TM) produc_ line, . . Dur?ng _he las_ s mon_hs, Sou_hwes_ern Medical has held discussions, ga_hered da_a, and explored _he prospec_ive licensing of i_s Labguard(TM) diagnos_ic sys_em, _o be sold _hrough in_erna_ionally based dis_ribu_ion companies in_o Pacific Rim a_eas, The ini_ial in_eres_ has been fur _he sale of _he produc_ for gover?men_ employee _es_ing programs such as police . forces, local and s_a_e level workers, and also includes higher-level wor_orces, Reasons ci_ed for _h.e in_eres_ of _he Labguard(TM) produc_. have been _he enhanced ?ase of use of _he produc_ and immedia_e on-si_e confirma_ion as well as increased reliabili_y of _he resul_s, . . (CHECK FAVORITE NEWS SITE FOR MOR?) -- ADD THIS GEM TO YOUR RADAR AND WATCH TRADE ON MONDAY! -- DON'T EVEN BLINK! -- SWNM DOESN'T SLEEP! . . Removal_ _ Disclaimer_ _ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In another case I converted a spam image from color -> clipboard -> pbm. Used -s4 (or --scale=4) and got an almost clean output. I can post the image sample if you wish. > ocrad -s4 Clipboard01.pbm Get QEGY First Thing On nonday Oct 23 r This Is Going To Explode! Check out ror HOT NEWS! ! ! The alert is ON! ! ! Trade Date: noNDAYr OCTOBER 23r 2006 Company : auANTun ENERGY INC (aEGY) Current Price: $3.12 GET IT NOW! QEGY News: October 18r 2006 ( New Well Now in Production ) wow wow wow ! ! ! The company is pleased to announce that the Inglish #5 well in the Barnett Shale has exceeded expectations in its initial production stage. The well came into production on October 12r 2006 and has produced 2355 barrels or oil and 5r245r000 ncF or gaj in six days or production. This well has averaged 390 Bbls or oil per day ... Use you brokerage site to get the rest or this exciting release and watch this rly on nonday ! . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ocrad seems to have trouble with the letter f... Best regards Vibe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061023/504a05f8/attachment.html From drwnutt at juno.com Mon Oct 23 08:08:55 2006 From: drwnutt at juno.com (drwnutt at juno.com) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:08:55 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Juno Message-ID: <20061022.230855.3144.14.drwnutt@juno.com> I am attempting to become a SpamBayes user, but I a Juno subscriber. How do I set up SpamBayes for Juno? I will gladly accept cogent descriptions or guidance to the answer. TIA Bill From tania at poole.net.au Mon Oct 23 12:47:57 2006 From: tania at poole.net.au (Tania Poole) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:17:57 +0930 Subject: [Spambayes] unistall Spambayes Message-ID: <20061023104752.85BF259A4@levanto.mail.adnap.net.au> Hi, I have been using Spambayes for wuite some time, but lately it just doesn't seem to be able to dealk with the spam O am receiving. I would l;ike to unistall it but can't find any directions on how to do this .. can you please help me? many thanks Tania -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061023/dbc06f74/attachment.htm From skip at pobox.com Mon Oct 23 16:24:16 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:24:16 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a In-Reply-To: <000901c6f626$dccde8f0$0502a8c0@blackhole> References: <000901c6f626$dccde8f0$0502a8c0@blackhole> Message-ID: <17724.53392.670077.5542@montanaro.dyndns.org> Kevin> Hi I have been happily using 1.1a for some time. Is there any Kevin> intent to freeze this into a formal release? 1.1a3 introduced a couple significant new tools, rudimentary OCR of attached images and mapping of domain names to their IP addresses. Neither has been properly tested and debugged on Windows yet. Until that's working, I'd think not. Skip From skip at pobox.com Mon Oct 23 16:36:06 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:36:06 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations In-Reply-To: <000b01c6f63c$78785320$0600000a@kasper> References: <000b01c6f63c$78785320$0600000a@kasper> Message-ID: <17724.54102.389178.743714@montanaro.dyndns.org> Kasper> as posted elsewhere there is a NetPbm port for Windows. I think Kasper> it would be beneficial for Windows users if it was possible to Kasper> use that with SpamBayes instead of having to setup PIL/Python. Actually, no it wouldn't. I trust Fredrik Lundh much more to keep PIL happy on Windows than an unknown person to keep NetPBM happy on Windows. In addition, it's much easier for me to manipulate images in PIL than to use NetPBM to do it. And (here's the kicker), since I wrote the code, I get more votes than you. ;-) Kasper> First: The ocrad.exe in the download section is according to the Kasper> version info really v. 0.14 and is exactly the same as the one Kasper> in the windows installer package (and not v. 0.15 as tagged in Kasper> the download area!). The only ocrad code I've ever downloaded was 0.15. It's hard to see how I could have 0.14. When I extracted the tar file it created a directory named "ocrad-0.15", and the program_version variable in main.cc is declared as const char * const program_version = "0.15"; Unless you have more convincing evidence to the contrary I think I have actually been using version 0.15. That said, Tony Meyer actually built the version that I uploaded to SourceForge. It's possible he used 0.14. Kasper> Secondly: Yes, the program runs from CMD and it actually Kasper> produces very nice output, but the pnm-file you link to are Kasper> apparently invalid. The ocrad folks didn't open the file properly. To the best of my knowledge there isn't anything wrong with the pnm files I've used as examples. Kasper> Third: You seem to have the scale parameter format wrong, that's Kasper> why the output is so bad. The -2 I used was suggested by the ocrad author. I've tried a few other scales. It's not obvious that one scale is much better than another. Still, I should make this a user-settable option. Kasper> Here are two test runs. First one with incorrect parameter Kasper> format as in your example. Second with correct scaling Kasper> parameter: ... Whoops! Thanks, I'll fix that pronto. Skip From skip at pobox.com Mon Oct 23 16:43:27 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:43:27 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations In-Reply-To: <000b01c6f63c$78785320$0600000a@kasper> References: <000b01c6f63c$78785320$0600000a@kasper> Message-ID: <17724.54543.797457.531620@montanaro.dyndns.org> Kasper> Third: You seem to have the scale parameter format wrong, that's Kasper> why the output is so bad. Skip> The -2 I used was suggested by the ocrad author. I've tried a few Skip> other scales. It's not obvious that one scale is much better than Skip> another. Still, I should make this a user-settable option. Kasper> Here are two test runs. First one with incorrect parameter Kasper> format as in your example. Second with correct scaling Kasper> parameter: ... Skip> Whoops! Thanks, I'll fix that pronto. Belay that. Here's what's in the SpamBayes source: scale = options["Tokenizer", "ocrad_scale"] or 1 charset = options["Tokenizer", "ocrad_charset"] ... ocr = os.popen("ocrad -s %s -c %s -x %s -f %s 2>/dev/null" % (scale, charset, orf, pnmfile)) So I already allow the user to adjust the scaling factor and properly use the -s flag. I think the incorrect usage was confined to my postings. Skip From skip at pobox.com Mon Oct 23 16:44:48 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:44:48 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam In-Reply-To: <000201c6f64a$fcb040e0$2e00a8c0@AUVAC2005750> References: <000201c6f64a$fcb040e0$2e00a8c0@AUVAC2005750> Message-ID: <17724.54624.865514.792994@montanaro.dyndns.org> Kerryn> Hi i am having trouble with my spam filter. i am unsure how to Kerryn> stop it from taking my good emails i keep going back and putting Kerryn> the good emails in my inbox from spam and when i get another Kerryn> email the spam filter automatically takes it. please help!!! Sounds like you may have made some mistakes categorizing earlier emails. Have you tried starting over with your training? Skip From skip at pobox.com Mon Oct 23 16:47:41 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:47:41 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Juno In-Reply-To: <20061022.230855.3144.14.drwnutt@juno.com> References: <20061022.230855.3144.14.drwnutt@juno.com> Message-ID: <17724.54797.385972.269313@montanaro.dyndns.org> Bill> I am attempting to become a SpamBayes user, but I a Juno Bill> subscriber. How do I set up SpamBayes for Juno? I'm not sure we have any real help to give you. You might try googling for "spambayes juno". The topic has come up before, though I'm not sure there's a clear set of instructions anywhere. Skip From grevsen at gmail.com Mon Oct 23 17:38:01 2006 From: grevsen at gmail.com (Vibe Grevsen) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:38:01 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations References: <000b01c6f63c$78785320$0600000a@kasper> <17724.54102.389178.743714@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <002501c6f6b9$3a323770$0600000a@kasper> Hi, > Kasper> as posted elsewhere there is a NetPbm port for Windows. I think > Kasper> it would be beneficial for Windows users if it was possible to > Kasper> use that with SpamBayes instead of having to setup PIL/Python. > > Actually, no it wouldn't. I trust Fredrik Lundh much more to keep PIL happy > on Windows than an unknown person to keep NetPBM happy on Windows. In > addition, it's much easier for me to manipulate images in PIL than to use > NetPBM to do it. And (here's the kicker), since I wrote the code, I get > more votes than you. ;-) He he, of course that's your decision. And let me say you're doing a great job ;) Their forum seems active, but I don't know any of the authors. I don't know how cygwin works, but I guess, that if either method can be compiled into an exe-setup, then fine. I do think that having to install three separate applications will frighten some windows-users, but okay... > Kasper> First: The ocrad.exe in the download section is according to the > Kasper> version info really v. 0.14 (..) > Unless you have more convincing evidence to the contrary I think I have > actually been using version 0.15. That said, Tony Meyer actually built the > version that I uploaded to SourceForge. It's possible he used 0.14. Ok, that's probable. Here I get - with the downloaded file in windows: C:\> ocrad -V GNU Ocrad version 0.14 Copyright (C) 2006 Antonio Diaz Diaz. This program is free software; you may redistribute it under the terms of the GNU General Public License. This program has absolutely no warranty. File size is exactly the same as the one posted with the exe-installer in August. > Kasper> Secondly: Yes, the program runs from CMD and it actually > Kasper> produces very nice output, but the pnm-file you link to are > Kasper> apparently invalid. > > The ocrad folks didn't open the file properly. To the best of my knowledge > there isn't anything wrong with the pnm files I've used as examples. Yes, I think you might be right. I will do some more tests on this. -- Best regards Vibe From grevsen at gmail.com Mon Oct 23 18:13:51 2006 From: grevsen at gmail.com (Vibe Grevsen) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:13:51 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations References: <000b01c6f63c$78785320$0600000a@kasper> <17724.54543.797457.531620@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <003901c6f6be$3b39a310$0600000a@kasper> Hi again, > Kasper> Here are two test runs. First one with incorrect parameter > Kasper> format as in your example. Second with correct scaling > Kasper> parameter: > ... > Skip> Whoops! Thanks, I'll fix that pronto. > > Belay that. Here's what's in the SpamBayes source: > > scale = options["Tokenizer", "ocrad_scale"] or 1 > charset = options["Tokenizer", "ocrad_charset"] > ... > ocr = os.popen("ocrad -s %s -c %s -x %s -f %s 2>/dev/null" % > (scale, charset, orf, pnmfile)) > > So I already allow the user to adjust the scaling factor and properly use > the -s flag. I think the incorrect usage was confined to my postings. Ok, I see. What is the meaning of the last '2' in the os.popen()-call? If I send that to ocrad after the input-file I get the ocr followed by 'Cannot open 2'. Also on my system I get different output formats with those calls: ocrad -s2 -x ocr.txt Clipboard01.pgm ocrad -s2 > ocr.txt Clipboard01.pgm Of course I trust you know which one to use. Just telling you this in case it is something that was overlooked. I will continue testing until we get this working on Windows. -- Best regards Vibe From lcooper at infinitedatastorage.com Mon Oct 23 18:17:44 2006 From: lcooper at infinitedatastorage.com (Lindsay Cooper) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:17:44 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Recall: Message-ID: <72642C17EE3A094C9EA9322C16494277010C812C@alpha.ids.local> Lindsay Cooper would like to recall the message, "". From lcooper at infinitedatastorage.com Mon Oct 23 18:17:28 2006 From: lcooper at infinitedatastorage.com (Lindsay Cooper) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:17:28 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <72642C17EE3A094C9EA9322C16494277010C812B@alpha.ids.local> Lindsay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's what's in the SpamBayes source: || > || > scale = options["Tokenizer", "ocrad_scale"] or 1 || > charset = options["Tokenizer", "ocrad_charset"] || > ... || > ocr = os.popen("ocrad -s %s -c %s -x %s -f %s 2>/dev/null" % || > (scale, charset, orf, pnmfile)) || > || > So I already allow the user to adjust the scaling factor and properly use || > the -s flag. I think the incorrect usage was confined to my postings. || || Ok, I see. || || What is the meaning of the last '2' in the os.popen()-call? || If I send that to ocrad after the input-file I get the ocr followed by 'Cannot open 2'. 2>/dev/null is /bin/sh syntax for redirecting standard error to /dev/null. Csh or a derivative will not recognize 2> as special, but pass 2 as argument to ocrad. Then ocrad will interpret it as a filename and try to open that file, with the shown consequence. -- Vincent Zweije | "If you're flamed in a group you | don't read, does anybody get burnt?" [Xhost should be taken out and shot] | -- Paul Tomblin on a.s.r. From skip at pobox.com Mon Oct 23 19:39:45 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:39:45 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations In-Reply-To: <002501c6f6b9$3a323770$0600000a@kasper> References: <000b01c6f63c$78785320$0600000a@kasper> <17724.54102.389178.743714@montanaro.dyndns.org> <002501c6f6b9$3a323770$0600000a@kasper> Message-ID: <17724.65121.547038.623622@montanaro.dyndns.org> Vibe> Their forum seems active, but I don't know any of the authors. I Vibe> don't know how cygwin works, but I guess, that if either method Vibe> can be compiled into an exe-setup, then fine. I do think that Vibe> having to install three separate applications will frighten some Vibe> windows-users, but okay... Note also that PIL doesn't require forking processes. Note also that installing PIL on Windows is no different than installing SpamBayes or Python. Just double-click the installer's icon. Vibe> Ok, that's probable. Here I get - with the downloaded file in Vibe> windows: Vibe> C:\> ocrad -V Vibe> GNU Ocrad version 0.14 ... Okay, I'll have to presume Tony built with 0.14 sources. Tony? Skip From skip at pobox.com Mon Oct 23 19:42:54 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:42:54 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations In-Reply-To: <003901c6f6be$3b39a310$0600000a@kasper> References: <000b01c6f63c$78785320$0600000a@kasper> <17724.54543.797457.531620@montanaro.dyndns.org> <003901c6f6be$3b39a310$0600000a@kasper> Message-ID: <17724.65310.502709.225367@montanaro.dyndns.org> >> ocr = os.popen("ocrad -s %s -c %s -x %s -f %s 2>/dev/null" % Vibe> What is the meaning of the last '2' in the os.popen()-call? It's a Unix-ism that will probably not work on Windows. It sends error messages to the bit bucket. Vibe> If I send that to ocrad after the input-file I get the ocr Vibe> followed by 'Cannot open 2'. Yeah, I'll have to fix that. Recall that I don't have Windows available. I have to rely on folks like you to give me feedback. Eventually I hope one of the other SpamBayes developers will find some free time to work on it. I am going to post a solicitation to comp.lang.python looking for another volunteer though as well. Skip From buddynumber30 at gmail.com Mon Oct 23 07:39:20 2006 From: buddynumber30 at gmail.com (buddynumber30 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:39:20 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] We'd like to introduce ourselves! Message-ID: <10222239.BTMWNJOR@gmail.com>
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Only recently I did install the CygWin, Python, PIL etc. to see what it was like. Fact is I chose SpamBayes over other filters because a compiled exe was available. If it was only available as interpreted py sources I probably wouldn't have jumped in. Of course now I know how great it is ;) Actually I think useability is often overlooked by you wizards ;) I really wanted to install and compile with MinGW but I had to give up... couldn't figure out which of the ten or so different packages I had to download and how to use them... > Vibe> GNU Ocrad version 0.14 > ... > Okay, I'll have to presume Tony built with 0.14 sources. Tony? I just discovered v. 0.16 sources at the ocrad site. Being my first CygWin experience I couldn't make the -nmo-cygwin switch work so I compiled one with the POSIX (?) emulation dll. I put it here for download. It will stay online until thursday. www.unlockaarhus.dk/dev/cygwin1.zip www.unlockaarhus.dk/dev/ocrad.zip Maybe some one could post it to the CVS if you find it appropriate? To use it download both files and extract in same folder. There is not much difference in the ocr output, but this version did not have any problem opening the pnm-files I tried. (I saw you mention elsewhere that this may have to do with POSIX / Win32 differences so maybe the dll is the reason this one works?) -- Best regards Vibe From skip at pobox.com Mon Oct 23 23:28:35 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:28:35 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Unwanted stock solicitations In-Reply-To: <000801c6f6e7$e434c660$0600000a@kasper> References: <000b01c6f63c$78785320$0600000a@kasper> <17724.54102.389178.743714@montanaro.dyndns.org> <002501c6f6b9$3a323770$0600000a@kasper> <17724.65121.547038.623622@montanaro.dyndns.org> <000801c6f6e7$e434c660$0600000a@kasper> Message-ID: <17725.13315.883304.329058@montanaro.dyndns.org> >> ... Note also that installing PIL on Windows is no different than >> installing SpamBayes or Python. Just double-click the installer's >> icon. Vibe> I know, but in the beginning I did only use the SB exe. Only Vibe> recently I did install the CygWin, Python, PIL etc. to see what it Vibe> was like. Cygwin's not needed. That's only necessary for people who need/want to compile ocrad. Python is included with the Outlook plugin binary installer. You'd only need to install Python if you wanted to install it from source. In the long run (once the current crop of problems are worked out) I'll see what I can do to make a separate PIL installation unnecessary. Vibe> Fact is I chose SpamBayes over other filters because a compiled Vibe> exe was available. If it was only available as interpreted py Vibe> sources I probably wouldn't have jumped in. Of course now I know Vibe> how great it is ;) At this point in time you're working with alpha-level software. (New functionality, likely to contain bugs, etc.) You are more than welcome to wait for better integration. Vibe> Actually I think useability is often overlooked by you wizards ;) Vibe> I really wanted to install and compile with MinGW but I had to Vibe> give up... couldn't figure out which of the ten or so different Vibe> packages I had to download and how to use them... I have no idea how to do anything with mingw. >> Okay, I'll have to presume Tony built with 0.14 sources. Tony? Vibe> I just discovered v. 0.16 sources at the ocrad site. Being my Vibe> first CygWin experience I couldn't make the -nmo-cygwin switch Vibe> work so I compiled one with the POSIX (?) emulation dll. Vibe> I put it here for download. It will stay online until thursday. Vibe> www.unlockaarhus.dk/dev/cygwin1.zip Vibe> www.unlockaarhus.dk/dev/ocrad.zip Vibe> Maybe some one could post it to the CVS if you find it Vibe> appropriate? To use it download both files and extract in same Vibe> folder. I'll take a look when I have a few minutes. Thx, Skip From Alindsay18 at comcast.net Tue Oct 24 04:01:40 2006 From: Alindsay18 at comcast.net (Alan Lindsay) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:01:40 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Deleting this product. Message-ID: <20061024020148.72EFB1E4006@bag.python.org> I don't want this program-and it won't go away. How do I delete it so it never comes back? AGL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061023/17a2046e/attachment.htm From avanti37 at connecttime.net Tue Oct 24 04:43:17 2006 From: avanti37 at connecttime.net (Sal Greco) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:43:17 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook '97 Message-ID: <004801c6f716$2a09e2f0$0300a8c0@SYSTEM> Alan, Are you the Alan who worked in PIttsburgh in the 90's? Lived on Monterey St.? Sal Sal Greco Actor, Lecturer, Author - LEFT FOR DEAD... true story about a Pittsburgh man, Joe Bellante, who 'retired' from the mob and became a minister Sample chapters available at http://bookbysal.tripod.com Book available at Amazon, Borders, independent bookstores and coffee houses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061023/1a37e65b/attachment.html From Jant at skynet.be Tue Oct 24 14:55:20 2006 From: Jant at skynet.be (Jan Tuerlinckx) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:55:20 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] It does not work with Outlook Express Message-ID: <004d01c6f76b$a9f7aba0$0301a8c0@DF53XV1J> It does not work with Outlook Express How can I install Spambayes in my Oulook Express ??? Regards Jan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Skip From skip at pobox.com Tue Oct 24 15:12:46 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:12:46 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] It does not work with Outlook Express In-Reply-To: <004d01c6f76b$a9f7aba0$0301a8c0@DF53XV1J> References: <004d01c6f76b$a9f7aba0$0301a8c0@DF53XV1J> Message-ID: <17726.4430.911561.762003@montanaro.dyndns.org> Jan> It does not work with Outlook Express How can I install Spambayes Jan> in my Oulook Express ??? >From the SpamBayes FAQ: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-express Skip From jsp at PKC.com Tue Oct 24 15:13:50 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:13:50 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] It does not work with Outlook Express In-Reply-To: <004d01c6f76b$a9f7aba0$0301a8c0@DF53XV1J> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04B1F@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Actually, it does work with Outlook Express. It does require a manual setup process, however, because OE is much more limited than Outlook. (Despite the names, they're completely separate products.) See http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlo ok-express and http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-do-i-set-up-spambayes-and- outlook-express. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Jan Tuerlinckx Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:55 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] It does not work with Outlook Express It does not work with Outlook Express How can I install Spambayes in my Oulook Express ??? Regards Jan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Doesn't Windows offer an uninstall menu item for applications? Skip _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From al at rtlogic.com Tue Oct 24 23:19:00 2006 From: al at rtlogic.com (Al Andzik) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:19:00 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes is not responding Message-ID: <003c01c6f7b2$063f9f30$eb00010a@alslaptop> I'm having the same problem as tracker item: [1577788 ] Spambayes is not responding Spambayes is not responding Running XP pro SP2 with Outlook 2003 SP2 The "Delete as spam" and SPamBayes" menu items are present but inactive. (SpamBayes release 1.0.4). I've been running SpamBayes for well over 5 years and one year on this computer without any trouble, but now, clicking on either of the menu buttons does nothing; no movement of messages to Spam folder, no menu options displayed. I've tried uninstalling SB and reinstalling without success. After uninstalling, the menu buttons are still present in Outlook as well. After each uninstall the log file reads: Unregistered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin After each reinstall the log file reads: Registered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin Registration complete. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061024/7af230a7/attachment.htm From tslocum at pacbell.net Wed Oct 25 07:20:38 2006 From: tslocum at pacbell.net (Terry Slocum) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:20:38 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Unable to delete as spam Message-ID: Just recently I have noticed that I am getting a lot of emails that I can't mark as spam. If I select them and press "Delete as Spam" nothing happens. I can delete them using the normal Outlook delete. Is anyone familiar with this? I have just joined this list. If this has already been talked to death, I apologize. Just point me to the pervious discussion. Terry -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 10/24/2006 From jsp at PKC.com Wed Oct 25 15:14:53 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:14:53 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Unable to delete as spam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04B28@PKCVT01.pkc.com> This might be related to a known but poorly-understood problem. See http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=899839&group_id =61702&atid=498103. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Terry Slocum Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:21 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Unable to delete as spam Just recently I have noticed that I am getting a lot of emails that I can't mark as spam. If I select them and press "Delete as Spam" nothing happens. I can delete them using the normal Outlook delete. Is anyone familiar with this? I have just joined this list. If this has already been talked to death, I apologize. Just point me to the pervious discussion. Terry -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 10/24/2006 _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From cjw at sympatico.ca Wed Oct 25 16:55:29 2006 From: cjw at sympatico.ca (Colin J. Williams) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:55:29 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Getting started with spambayes In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04B28@PKCVT01.pkc.com> References: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04B28@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Message-ID: <453F7AE1.50804@sympatico.ca> I have just joined the spambayes list and have downloaded and installed spambayes-1.1a3, after failing with the 1.0.4 binary version. I don't find any obvious main program or guidance. What preparatory steps should I take and where do I launch? Using XP with Python 2.5 and Firefox but not PythonWin. Any advice would be appreciated. Colin W. From judgevic at comcast.net Wed Oct 25 17:32:11 2006 From: judgevic at comcast.net (Vic Fleming) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:32:11 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] cannot get spambayes to work Message-ID: <000f01c6f84a$bd95d760$6401a8c0@fleming> For a couple of years I had SpamBayes and it worked great. Recently I had to uninstall it and then reinstall it, and I am pretty sure that all went flawlessly. But, SpamBayes has not worked since then. I have been to Outlook - Help - About MSOUT - Disabled Items, and it says that nothing is disabled. Someone has recommended that I go to the SpamBayes Manager and "enable filtering." I cannot find the route to the SpamBayes manager and do not know if this will work. Can you help? Private emails are welcome, as I am just now subscribing to this list. VAF -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061025/a6b1c517/attachment.htm From KBENSON1 at TWCNY.RR.COM Wed Oct 25 18:54:02 2006 From: KBENSON1 at TWCNY.RR.COM (KEN BENSON) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:54:02 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] not work correctly Message-ID: <200610251654.k9PGs2Yc002930@ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com> OS is Windows XP PRO SpamBayes 1.0.4 Problem is I can no longer mark mail as spam. When I went to open my mail the system said I had a problem and wanted to stop Spambayes from running. At that point I clicked OK. Now when I'm receiving mail I can no longer mark mail as spam. The only option I have in my inbox is to recover from spam. I have removed the program and reinstalled it, but it is still not working correctly. Thank you for your help. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061025/924f2fe6/attachment.htm From rolandhordos at tundraeng.com Wed Oct 25 18:57:41 2006 From: rolandhordos at tundraeng.com (Roland Hordos) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:57:41 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] cannot get spambayes to work In-Reply-To: <000f01c6f84a$bd95d760$6401a8c0@fleming> Message-ID: The General tab of the SpamBayes manager has this checkbox. Access it from the SpamBayes toolbar menu. Roland; -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Vic Fleming Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:32 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] cannot get spambayes to work For a couple of years I had SpamBayes and it worked great. Recently I had to uninstall it and then reinstall it, and I am pretty sure that all went flawlessly. But, SpamBayes has not worked since then. I have been to Outlook ? Help ? About MSOUT ? Disabled Items, and it says that nothing is disabled. Someone has recommended that I go to the SpamBayes Manager and ?enable filtering.? I cannot find the route to the SpamBayes manager and do not know if this will work. Can you help? Private emails are welcome, as I am just now subscribing to this list. VAF -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061025/d7b2bd52/attachment.html From rolandhordos at tundraeng.com Wed Oct 25 19:14:05 2006 From: rolandhordos at tundraeng.com (Roland Hordos) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:14:05 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] not work correctly In-Reply-To: <200610251654.k9PGs2Yc002930@ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com> Message-ID: <4e75e4f35062a24a9d0e733a7cdac38b@localhost.localdomain> It sounds like it thinks your Inbox is the Junk or possibly Junk Suspects folder. Run the configuration wizard and ensure the folders are unique. To troubleshoot, you could rename the .ini file in the SpamBayes Application Data folder (C:\Documents and Settings\your user name\Application Data\SpamBayes\your outlook profile name.ini). It contains the folder id mappings. SpamBayes will re-create it if the configuration wizard runs correctly. Hope this helps. Roland; -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of KEN BENSON Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:54 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] not work correctly OS is Windows XP PRO SpamBayes 1.0.4 Problem is I can no longer mark mail as spam. When I went to open my mail the system said I had a problem and wanted to stop Spambayes from running. At that point I clicked OK. Now when I?m receiving mail I can no longer mark mail as spam. The only option I have in my inbox is to recover from spam. I have removed the program and reinstalled it, but it is still not working correctly. Thank you for your help. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm asking because I've had problems previously uninstalling and reinstalling Spambayes, and I'm hoping I don't have to bother with an uninstall, unless I need to revert back to 1.0.4 later. -- Claude Jones Tehogee Services Brunswick, MD, USA From skip at pobox.com Thu Oct 26 17:18:08 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:18:08 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] updating from 1.0.4 to 1.1a3 In-Reply-To: <200610261021.33759.claudejones@tehogeeservices.com> References: <200610261021.33759.claudejones@tehogeeservices.com> Message-ID: <17728.53680.682966.812006@montanaro.dyndns.org> Claude> I'm currently running 1.0.4 on a Fedora Core 5 box using the Claude> proxy server. I'm happy with the results, but getting deluged Claude> with the new graphics based spam, and would like to try 1.1a3 Is Claude> it possible to just unpack the tarball and run it? Will it just Claude> replace my current installation? I'm asking because I've had Claude> problems previously uninstalling and reinstalling Spambayes, and Claude> I'm hoping I don't have to bother with an uninstall, unless I Claude> need to revert back to 1.0.4 later. I run SpamBayes from the CVS repository and never uninstall, so I suspect you'll be okay just installing 1.1a3 over 1.0.4. You will also need to install PIL (http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/) and ocrad (http://www.gnu.org/software/ocrad/ocrad.html) to take advantage of the OCR capabilities. You should probably also install PyDNS (http://pydns.sourceforge.net/) to get the domain-name-to-ip-address mapping. It's unfortunate that there are external dependencies, but we don't have the resources to reinvent a bunch of different wheels. Sourceforge doesn't emphasize the release notes, but they are there: http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=442102&group_id=61702 and should be at least glanced at. Skip From kbanas at eecs.umich.edu Thu Oct 26 17:33:05 2006 From: kbanas at eecs.umich.edu (Kyle Banas) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:33:05 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Odd problem with SSL? Message-ID: <007701c6f914$0b095160$8b6ad48d@ad.engin.umich.edu> Hello, This is my first time writing to this list, so please forgive me if this is an inappropriate query. I am attempting to configure the SpamBayes POP3 Proxy to work with Outlook Express. This seems like a relatively trivial process - however, I'm running into a problem. Our incoming POP3 mail server only allows SSL connections. So, I configured it to use the remote server "smtp.myserver.com:995" and configured the listen port to be 110 (and I configured OE accordingly - localhost, port 110, etc..). However, when I attempt to check my mail with OE, it hangs at "Connecting.." I did some research and found that in order to get SSL to work, I had to add the line "use_ssl: automatic" to the bayescustomize.ini file. I've done that, so my .ini file looks like this: [pop3proxy] use_ssl:automatic listen_ports:110 remote_servers:ragtime.eecs.umich.edu:995 But still, I'm having no success. I'm fairly certain this is a problem related to SSL, as if I try it without SSL it connects immediately and bounces back with an "SSL is required" error message. Thanks for any help or suggestions you might have. Best, Kyle Banas Departmental Computing Organization The University of Michigan From kbanas at eecs.umich.edu Thu Oct 26 19:55:44 2006 From: kbanas at eecs.umich.edu (Kyle Banas) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:55:44 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] SSL and SpamBayes? Message-ID: <001701c6f927$f8da3a90$8b6ad48d@ad.engin.umich.edu> Hello, This is my first time writing to this list, so please forgive me if this is an inappropriate query. I am attempting to configure the SpamBayes POP3 Proxy to work with Outlook Express. This seems like a relatively trivial process - however, I'm running into a problem. Our incoming POP3 mail server only allows SSL connections. So, I configured it to use the remote server "smtp.myserver.com:995" and configured the listen port to be 110 (and I configured OE accordingly - localhost, port 110, etc..). However, when I attempt to check my mail with OE, it hangs at "Connecting.." I did some research and found that in order to get SSL to work, I had to add the line "use_ssl: automatic" to the bayescustomize.ini file. I've done that, so my .ini file looks like this: [pop3proxy] use_ssl:automatic listen_ports:110 remote_servers:ragtime.eecs.umich.edu:995 But still, I'm having no success. I'm fairly certain this is a problem related to SSL, as if I try it without SSL it connects immediately and bounces back with an "SSL is required" error message. I've checked the FAQ and Googled my little heart out. Thanks for any help or suggestions you might have. Best, Kyle Banas Departmental Computing Organization The University of Michigan From rolandhordos at tundraeng.com Thu Oct 26 20:19:45 2006 From: rolandhordos at tundraeng.com (Roland Hordos) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:19:45 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] updating from 1.0.4 to 1.1a3 In-Reply-To: <17728.53680.682966.812006@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <0da48e93085255409b3924e342b12e37@localhost.localdomain> I upgraded 1.0.4 to 1.1a3 using the Outlook addin, which runs a utility to convert the database format from 1.0 to 1.1 upon installation. The 1.1a3 has not been catching the graphics spam either, definitely the key will be integrating the OCR stuff. thanks, Roland; -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of skip at pobox.com Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:18 AM To: Claude Jones Cc: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] updating from 1.0.4 to 1.1a3 Claude> I'm currently running 1.0.4 on a Fedora Core 5 box using the Claude> proxy server. I'm happy with the results, but getting deluged Claude> with the new graphics based spam, and would like to try 1.1a3 Is Claude> it possible to just unpack the tarball and run it? Will it just Claude> replace my current installation? I'm asking because I've had Claude> problems previously uninstalling and reinstalling Spambayes, and Claude> I'm hoping I don't have to bother with an uninstall, unless I Claude> need to revert back to 1.0.4 later. I run SpamBayes from the CVS repository and never uninstall, so I suspect you'll be okay just installing 1.1a3 over 1.0.4. You will also need to install PIL (http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/) and ocrad (http://www.gnu.org/software/ocrad/ocrad.html) to take advantage of the OCR capabilities. You should probably also install PyDNS (http://pydns.sourceforge.net/) to get the domain-name-to-ip-address mapping. It's unfortunate that there are external dependencies, but we don't have the resources to reinvent a bunch of different wheels. Sourceforge doesn't emphasize the release notes, but they are there: http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=442102&group_id= 61702 and should be at least glanced at. Skip _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From skip at pobox.com Thu Oct 26 20:24:51 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:24:51 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] SSL and SpamBayes? In-Reply-To: <001701c6f927$f8da3a90$8b6ad48d@ad.engin.umich.edu> References: <001701c6f927$f8da3a90$8b6ad48d@ad.engin.umich.edu> Message-ID: <17728.64883.564383.622681@montanaro.dyndns.org> Kyle, It's not clear to me how robust the SSL support might be. It looks like it was only added in 1.1a1. Googling for "SpamBayes SSL" I did come across a possible solution using stunnel: http://www.peterbe.com/plog/blogitem-20031117-1600 HTH, Skip From cjw at sympatico.ca Fri Oct 27 04:33:15 2006 From: cjw at sympatico.ca (Colin J. Williams) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:33:15 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with __init__ .py in spambayes? Message-ID: <45416FEB.7090707@sympatico.ca> ------------------------ spambayes.__init__.py ----------------- # package marker. try: _ except NameError: _ = lambda arg: arg __version__ = "1.1a3" __date__ = _("August 2006") --------------------------- exerciser --------------------------------- # test.py try: from spambayes import Stats except: import sys print sys.exc_info print 'Exception not detected' -----------------------result of running exerciser ------------------ >>> [Dbg]>>> Exception not detected >>> From conover at amaonline.com Fri Oct 27 04:54:22 2006 From: conover at amaonline.com (William J. Conover) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:54:22 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] a problem Message-ID: <20061027025421.84408505D86@cuda.amaonline.com> I have successfully (I think) downloaded the SpamBayes program to my Outlook incoming mail box. My problem is that my incoming mail doesn't go to this mailbox. Instead it goes to a mailbox that is part of my internet provider's home page (AmaTechTel). The SpamBayes program is not on that mailbox. How can I redirect my incoming mail so that it will go to the Outlook mail box? Or would it be easier to install SpamBayes on the mailbox that my mail currently goes to? I would prefer to use Outlook if I could. Jay Conover -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061026/f19246f3/attachment.htm From claudejones at tehogeeservices.com Fri Oct 27 07:22:43 2006 From: claudejones at tehogeeservices.com (Claude Jones) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:22:43 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] updating from 1.0.4 to 1.1a3 In-Reply-To: <200610261021.33759.claudejones@tehogeeservices.com> References: <200610261021.33759.claudejones@tehogeeservices.com> Message-ID: <200610270122.43270.claudejones@tehogeeservices.com> On Thu October 26 2006 10:21 am, Claude Jones wrote: > I'm currently running 1.0.4 on a Fedora Core 5 box using the > proxy server. I'm happy with the results, but getting deluged > with the new graphics based spam, and would like to try 1.1a3 > Is it possible to just unpack the tarball and run it? Will it > just replace my current installation? I'm asking because I've > had problems previously uninstalling and reinstalling > Spambayes, and I'm hoping I don't have to bother with an > uninstall, unless I need to revert back to 1.0.4 later. A couple of folks responded to this, but they only came to me privately. I'm posting those responses in case they may be of assistance to others. I run SpamBayes from the CVS repository and never uninstall, so I suspect you'll be okay just installing 1.1a3 over 1.0.4. ?You will also need to install PIL (http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/) and ocrad (http://www.gnu.org/software/ocrad/ocrad.html) to take advantage of the OCR capabilities. ?You should probably also install PyDNS (http://pydns.sourceforge.net/) to get the domain-name-to-ip-address mapping. ?It's unfortunate that there are external dependencies, but we don't have the resources to reinvent a bunch of different wheels. Sourceforge doesn't emphasize the release notes, but they are there: ? ? http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=442102&group_id=61702 and should be at least glanced at. Skip Thanks, Skip - Looks like I need to do some reading to understand how to implement these new features. I'll be unable to devote any time to this till next week because of some major work obligations over the next few days, but I look forward to doing so. For the record, I now run Spambayes and Spam Assassin using KMail as my client. I let Spam Assassin have first crack and Spambayes gets the rest. I'm currently catching around 98% or so of my spam - over 300 messages a day, so, I'm not complaining. But, the spammers keep coming at us with their evolving tricks, so... And there was also this response: I upgraded 1.0.4 to 1.1a3 using the Outlook addin, which runs a utility to convert the database format from 1.0 to 1.1 upon installation. The 1.1a3 has not been catching the graphics spam either, definitely the key will be integrating the OCR stuff. thanks, Roland; I run Spambayes on a number of Windows machines, but, that's not something I'll be updating soon. For my own Windows machine, I only use Outlook as an archive for my mail. I do all my reading on my Linux boxes, because I hate Outlook - the silly excuse they have for threaded mail reading called 'conversations' is pathetic and makes it painful to really follow threads. But, thanks for your comments - others may find them of interest. -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA From jyppro at free.fr Fri Oct 27 10:42:14 2006 From: jyppro at free.fr (jyppro at free.fr) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:42:14 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] outlook plugin Message-ID: <1161938534.4541c666802fd@imp1-g19.free.fr> Hello I have Windows XP Pro SP2 with Office 2003 Pro SP2 and spambayes 1.0.4 has stop to work. Broken on Outlook start, i have deleted program and deleted spambayes manually in outlook toolbar. But when i install again, i don't see spambayes toolbar in outlook, i have it in com complements and try to activate, but outlook disable it at startup. I don't know why ! From amedee at amedee.be Fri Oct 27 13:08:11 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:08:11 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] my pet theory on spam and language got proven today Message-ID: <48124.82.146.101.169.1161947291.squirrel@amedee.be> Perhaps some of you have read my statement that not having English as a native language makes spambayes more efficient (because most spam is in English). Today the opposite of my theory was proven: I got spam, the typical junk with random sentences. 50% was in English, 50% Dutch (my language). The message got trough, with a score of 0.15. This only means spammers are getting "smarter" - or more likely: all kinds of spam filtering serve as darwinian pressure on the evolution of spam. -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be From mamay at borgwarner.com Fri Oct 27 15:23:50 2006 From: mamay at borgwarner.com (mamay at borgwarner.com) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:23:50 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <58AE8E0D3632D511997000B0D0209FD303B6877C@sal_exchange.sallisaw.morse.borgwarner.net> I have a couple of people that send me e-mail that is automatically filtered. I might have accidentally trained spambayes to treat these people's e-mails as spam. How can I change the settings so some addresses can be removed from being treated as spam? Thanks, Marek Marek W. May Plant Manager - Sallisaw, OK Borg Warner - Morse TEC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sooner or later SpamBayes will begin to classify these messages correctly. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of mamay at borgwarner.com Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 9:24 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) I have a couple of people that send me e-mail that is automatically filtered. I might have accidentally trained spambayes to treat these people's e-mails as spam. How can I change the settings so some addresses can be removed from being treated as spam? Thanks, Marek Marek W. May Plant Manager - Sallisaw, OK Borg Warner - Morse TEC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061028/e7fea2c2/attachment.html From michelangelo at tinlion.com Sat Oct 28 17:17:00 2006 From: michelangelo at tinlion.com (Michelangelo Capraro) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:17:00 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] outlook plugin causes spambayes to not work Message-ID: <20061028152416.F392C1E4004@bag.python.org> hello all, I have an outlook plugin called insight connector by bynari software. probably no one on this list has it or maybe has heard of it but I have it installed and haven't been able to use spambayes since (its been a couple of years now). but my spam is increasing and I really need spambayes to work. can someone help be debug this so I can get the developers of both plugins the necessary info so this can work? == Tin Lion Creative == Michelangelo Capraro tinlion.com skip-intro.org hopbot.com number-9.com From inecsupplies at post.com Sun Oct 29 01:53:06 2006 From: inecsupplies at post.com (Hassan Yusuf) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:53:06 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] GOODDAY TO YOU Message-ID: Hello, I was at the Lagos Chamber of commerce and industry to make enquiries on related matters when I got your contact. My is Hassan Yusuf and I work with the Independent National Electoral commission (INEC). Inec is the body that is organizing the next general elections in my country-Nigeria in April next year. An estimated 300,000 Ballot Boxes are to be used during the elections. This estimate was deliberate in the sense that not more than 180,000 of these Ballot Boxes will actually be used. However, we now have the budget for the entire 300,000 units officially approved for the procurement of these Ballot Boxes. May I therefore ask? Do you have or could you recommend for use an account in a tax-free country or a comfortable haven to deposit the excess budget accruing from this estimate? This will be for our mutual benefits. Please, confirm to me by a return email if you are able to provide such an account for use. I hope to hear from you soon. Regards Hassan Yusuf. From sethg at goodmanassociates.com Sun Oct 29 20:53:04 2006 From: sethg at goodmanassociates.com (Seth Goodman) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 13:53:04 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] my pet theory on spam and language got proven today In-Reply-To: <48124.82.146.101.169.1161947291.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: Amedee Van Gasse wrote on Friday, October 27, 2006 6:08 AM -0500: > This only means spammers are getting "smarter" - or more likely: all > kinds of spam filtering serve as darwinian pressure on the evolution > of spam. A very apt comparison. The behavior of this system we have all been monitoring has much in common with biological systems. Both spam and filters are adaptive, self-organizing systems. They both are resource constrained, so the "smartest" solutions tend to win. The dynamics of the process are also typical of those in biological systems. I suggest that the most apt analogies are to pathogens and parasites, and not just because they are nasty! These organisms have very simple genomes, so there are severe constraints on the possible solutions. They make up for this with a short generation time and an unusually "labile" genome that produces large numbers of new combinations to test. This is in direct contrast to complex organisms that could be easily wiped out by an overly labile genome. When a new genetic combination appears that provides a selection advantage in a particular niche, its population surges. By decimating their target population and providing strong selection pressure for those hosts (spam filters) with even marginal resistance, pathogenic pandemics tend to be self-limiting. This is likely what will occur with the current pandemic of image spam. Either filters will catch up, or MUA's will block remote images entirely, and eventually images embedded in the message. In the long run, blocking images is more sensible than trying to decode them. We already have captcha's to make this difficult, and there is little need to fight this battle in the first place. The justification for images in messages is largely for the benefit of advertisers. I hate to admit that Mr. Bill was right when he proposed, over a decade ago, that the commercial internet will be financed by advertising. While correct for the time being, this doesn't mean that email messages themselves must carry it. -- Seth Goodman From cjw at sympatico.ca Sun Oct 29 22:09:17 2006 From: cjw at sympatico.ca (Colin J. Williams) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:09:17 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] my pet theory on spam and language got proven today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4545187D.90707@sympatico.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061029/adfe606c/attachment.htm From skip at pobox.com Sun Oct 29 22:24:39 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:24:39 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] my pet theory on spam and language got proven today In-Reply-To: <4545187D.90707@sympatico.ca> References: <4545187D.90707@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <17733.7191.432249.383999@montanaro.dyndns.org> Colin> I've tried this in Firefox with the filter "image/gif". So far, Colin> it seems to work. The canonical example of where this won't work is a parent sending baby pix to Grandma and Grandpa. As an individual you might decide that throwing out all mail containing images (or at least GIF images) is worth the risk of lost mail, but it's far from a general solution to image-based spam. Skip From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Oct 29 23:25:53 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:25:53 +1300 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with __init__ .py in spambayes? In-Reply-To: <45416FEB.7090707@sympatico.ca> References: <45416FEB.7090707@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <30BD97C8-F515-4DE4-94AB-CF5DF668A453@ihug.co.nz> [...] > --------------------------- exerciser > --------------------------------- > # test.py > try: > from spambayes import Stats > except: > import sys > print sys.exc_info > print 'Exception not detected' > -----------------------result of running exerciser ------------------ >>>> > [Dbg]>>> > Exception not detected I'm not sure what you think the problem is here. Do you *want* it to raise an exception? =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From sethg at goodmanassociates.com Mon Oct 30 01:36:27 2006 From: sethg at goodmanassociates.com (Seth Goodman) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:36:27 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] my pet theory on spam and language got proven today In-Reply-To: <17733.7191.432249.383999@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: skip at pobox.com wrote on Sunday, October 29, 2006 3:25 PM -0500: > Colin> I've tried this in Firefox with the filter "image/gif". > So far, Colin> it seems to work. > > The canonical example of where this won't work is a parent sending > baby pix to Grandma and Grandpa. As an individual you might decide > that throwing out all mail containing images (or at least GIF > images) is worth the risk of lost mail, but it's far from a general > solution to image-based spam. That depends on how it is implemented. For example, Outlook 2003 is supposed to render images in messages from correspondents listed in your address book. That takes care of the objection you list above, most of the time. If GIF's being part of a rendered message become a significant spam indicator, it is likely that legitimate corporate senders will avoid it. That will leave a few exuberant parents, and a whole lot of spammers, creating that style of message. Given that scenario, whitelisting is a reasonable solution. MUA's could eventually help the situation if they discouraged putting inline images in a message. I guess that bottom line is that I don't see any problem for the average business email user. Business newsletter senders will adapt as necessary - they always do. Individual home users will do whatever their ISP's force on them. I doubt that ISP's will care to engage in an arms race that forces them to do OCR on every piece of spam they receive. SpamAssassin during SMTP is one thing, OCR raises the ante and threatens the affordability of ordinary email. Spam becomes a credible DDoS. -- Seth Goodman From skip at pobox.com Mon Oct 30 01:38:45 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:38:45 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] my pet theory on spam and language got proven today In-Reply-To: <454538D1.8080107@sympatico.ca> References: <4545187D.90707@sympatico.ca> <17733.7191.432249.383999@montanaro.dyndns.org> <454538D1.8080107@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <17733.18837.308473.559667@montanaro.dyndns.org> Colin> Incidentally, I would like to see more effort put into the Colin> identifying of the originators of this aggravating stuff. That is, I think, an entirely different exercise than filtering for spam. Also, given that most spam these days seems to come from zombie hosts (at least that's my understanding), it would probably be pretty easy to work your way back to the originating host, but that wouldn't tell you much. Skip From dino.gioseffi at mediobanca.it Mon Oct 30 14:09:05 2006 From: dino.gioseffi at mediobanca.it (Gioseffi Dino) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:09:05 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] asking to delete a message Message-ID: <913C2CAF74628946B47F1BFA4C800C9CAA7E@mbexchange-bk.mbnet.ad> Hi there, could you ask you to delete this message? I receive a lot of spam and this message is the first when you ask dino gioseffi via google search Thank you -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061030/93748f19/attachment.htm From sethg at goodmanassociates.com Mon Oct 30 14:28:27 2006 From: sethg at goodmanassociates.com (Seth Goodman) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:28:27 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] my pet theory on spam and language got proven today In-Reply-To: <17733.18837.308473.559667@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: skip at pobox.com wrote on Sunday, October 29, 2006 6:39 PM -0500: > Colin> Incidentally, I would like to see more effort put into the > Colin> identifying of the originators of this aggravating stuff. > > That is, I think, an entirely different exercise than filtering for > spam. Also, given that most spam these days seems to come from zombie > hosts (at least that's my understanding), it would probably be pretty > easy to work your way back to the originating host, but that wouldn't > tell you much. Zombified Windows boxes have been the major source for the last couple of years. Blacklists and word or mouth have successfully reduced the number of open relays, while unpatched Windows boxes remain plentiful. The problem of zombie hosts persists largely because a few of the world's largest ISP's do nothing when such hosts are reported on their networks. One example is Verizon. As a defensive measure against such hosts, some MTA's make good use of "dial-up network" blacklists. While this used to be actual dial-up IP space, they are now lists of IP blocks used for dynamic IP pools or consumer-grade static connections. By listing these IP blocks, an ISP states that anyone in that IP space violates their AUP if they run an outgoing MTA that does not send mail through the ISP's smarthost, where it is subject to rate limiting and perhaps outbound virus filtering. Just as with zombie hosts, lack of cooperation by a few large ISP's makes this approach spotty. Still, you can block lots of junk by testing the headers for IP's already on those lists. This is most effective at the incoming MTA, rather than the mail client, as you can terminate a session with a zombie host before receiving any message content. This has the advantage of reducing the bandwidth stolen by spam and results in an immediate bounce message should a legitimate message be inadvertently rejected. Spambayes concentrates on what can be done at the MUA after deciding to accept a message. From a protocol point of view, it is not a good place to use a DNSBL. -- Seth Goodman From jsp at PKC.com Mon Oct 30 15:41:57 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:41:57 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] asking to delete a message In-Reply-To: <913C2CAF74628946B47F1BFA4C800C9CAA7E@mbexchange-bk.mbnet.ad> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04B3E@PKCVT01.pkc.com> For better or worse, it can't be done. See http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/contact.html, and note that by necessity public mailing lists may be archived, downloaded, or otherwise copied by anyone without the control or even knowledge of the list maintainers. Google can find at least two other instances of archived copies of that message on the Web (on www.mail-archive.com and aspn.activestate.com), but there could be any number of copies in places that Google does not or cannot index (such as the inboxes of everyone on the list). Before long there will be copies of your "asking to delete a message" message in various archives as well, and no one will be able to definitively locate all copies of it either. In any case, the presence of a message in a mail archive is unlikely to have anything to do with the amount of spam you receive. If you want to avoid creating publicly archived messages in the future, do not post to public mailing lists. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Gioseffi Dino Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 8:09 AM To: Spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] asking to delete a message Hi there, could you ask you to delete this message? I receive a lot of spam and this message is the first when you ask dino gioseffi via google search Thank you -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061030/18c6bbea/attachment.html From amedee at amedee.be Mon Oct 30 16:25:17 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:25:17 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] asking to delete a message In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04B3E@PKCVT01.pkc.com> References: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04B3E@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Message-ID: <1162221917.10431.25.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Op maandag 30-10-2006 om 09:41 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Jesse Pelton: > For better or worse, it can't be done. See > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/contact.html, and note that by > necessity public mailing lists may be archived, downloaded, or > otherwise copied by anyone without the control or even knowledge of > the list maintainers. Google can find at least two other instances of > archived copies of that message on the Web (on www.mail-archive.com > and aspn.activestate.com), but there could be any number of copies in > places that Google does not or cannot index (such as the inboxes of > everyone on the list). Before long there will be copies of your > "asking to delete a message" message in various archives as well, and > no one will be able to definitively locate all copies of it either. > > In any case, the presence of a message in a mail archive is unlikely > to have anything to do with the amount of spam you receive. If you > want to avoid creating publicly archived messages in the future, do > not post to public mailing lists. Some people I know use different mailing addresses for each mailing list, like this: nameofthemailinglist at yourowndomain.com This implies that you need to have your own domain, and this can be as cheap as 1 euro per month. I also have my own domain, and I am considering it. -- Amedee From laterooms-offers-help at mail.registeredemail.net Mon Oct 30 16:36:21 2006 From: laterooms-offers-help at mail.registeredemail.net (laterooms-offers-help at mail.registeredemail.net) Date: 30 Oct 2006 15:36:21 -0000 Subject: [Spambayes] ezmlm response Message-ID: <1162222581.14145.ezmlm@mail.registeredemail.net> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the laterooms-offers at mail.registeredemail.net mailing list. I'm working for my owner, who can be reached at laterooms-offers-owner at mail.registeredemail.net. FAQ - Frequently asked questions of the laterooms-offers at mail.registeredemail.net list. None available yet. From vincent+spambayes at zweije.nl.eu.org Mon Oct 30 17:04:32 2006 From: vincent+spambayes at zweije.nl.eu.org (Vincent Zweije) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:04:32 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] asking to delete a message In-Reply-To: <1162221917.10431.25.camel@saruman.telenet.be> References: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04B3E@PKCVT01.pkc.com> <1162221917.10431.25.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Message-ID: <20061030160432.GA8051@love.zweije.nl.eu.org> On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 04:25:17PM +0100, Amedee Van Gasse wrote: || Some people I know use different mailing addresses for each mailing || list, like this: nameofthemailinglist at yourowndomain.com || This implies that you need to have your own domain, and this can be as || cheap as 1 euro per month. With some providers, you receive any mail addressed to user+anything at example.com or user-anything at example.com. In such a case, you do not need your own domain. To use it, however, you probably need access to the envelope recipient address (transferred in the SMTP protocol), because the To: header in the email header is unreliable. On a side note: for a time, I suffixed my username in each of my usenet postings with a different identifier. The main result was that I started to receive each spam message multiple times, once to each identifier. I turned that feature off again. Ciao. Vincent. -- Vincent Zweije | "If you're flamed in a group you | don't read, does anybody get burnt?" [Xhost should be taken out and shot] | -- Paul Tomblin on a.s.r. From Jant at skynet.be Mon Oct 30 19:53:20 2006 From: Jant at skynet.be (Jan Tuerlinckx) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:53:20 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <009b01c6fc54$ab497bd0$0301a8c0@DF53XV1J> I have iinstalled the program exactly as indicated for Outlook Express. But the spam files goes not the file Junk Mail and the unsure goes not to the possible Junk Mail. 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Despite it's name, Outlook Expres is a completely different program than Outlook: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-express Skip From amedee at amedee.be Mon Oct 30 22:10:04 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:10:04 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] asking to delete a message In-Reply-To: <913C2CAF74628946B47F1BFA4C800C9CAF4B@mbexchange-bk.mbnet.ad> References: <913C2CAF74628946B47F1BFA4C800C9CAF4B@mbexchange-bk.mbnet.ad> Message-ID: <1162242604.10431.52.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Op maandag 30-10-2006 om 20:05 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Gioseffi Dino: > Hi there, > thank you for your answer. > What I am asking is to delete at least the part of the aswer where is reported my address and my ph. and mob. numbers. > To be honest when I sent that mail I did not know that it may be archived, downloaded, or otherwise copied by anyone... > I supposed to ask to a restrict number of people in charge to do it. > Those are my bussiness details and it is very deplorable showing to everyone...that is not fear... > Please help me. > > Dino Gioseffi Dino, Can you accept it if the answer is "no, this cannot be done"? Please read again what Jesse Pelton wrote. This is Pandora's Box: once you open it, you set a lot of things free. And contrary to ancient mythology, this box cannot be closed. The description of the mailing list on http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes is very, very clear: "Please note that this is a public mailing list: all messages sent to this list are visible to the public, and are publicly archived." By subscribing to the mailing list and sending messages, you explicitly agreed with the "rules". I realise this might seem harsh and I apologize, but you only have yourself to blame. You should *always* be very, very, very, *VERY* careful with your personal information. I know this from personal experience because when I go "egosurfing" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egosurfing) I get 25300 results, some of which go back to 1995, when I had my first dialup internet connection at uni. And I'm a nobody, compared to someone like Jesse Pelton, who has 130.000 hits: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Amedee+Van +Gasse&word2=Jesse+Pelton -- Amedee PS: Please always reply to the list. From skip at pobox.com Mon Oct 30 22:46:53 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:46:53 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <00dc01c6fc68$79256510$0301a8c0@DF53XV1J> References: <009b01c6fc54$ab497bd0$0301a8c0@DF53XV1J> <17734.23675.413722.383461@montanaro.dyndns.org> <00dc01c6fc68$79256510$0301a8c0@DF53XV1J> Message-ID: <17734.29389.509018.934840@montanaro.dyndns.org> Jan> And niow a new problem with http:// localhost:8880/review Jan> The page cannot be displayed Jan> The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site Jan> might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your Jan> browser settings. Jan, Make sure there is not space in the URL. Also, check the port number. I'm not sure if it's 8880 by default or 8080. When you start sb_server.py I think it tells you where it's listening. You should be able to just copy and paste the URL it prints. Skip From skip at pobox.com Tue Oct 31 01:15:35 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:15:35 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <00f001c6fc6e$a05b7bf0$0301a8c0@DF53XV1J> References: <009b01c6fc54$ab497bd0$0301a8c0@DF53XV1J> <17734.23675.413722.383461@montanaro.dyndns.org> <00dc01c6fc68$79256510$0301a8c0@DF53XV1J> <17734.29389.509018.934840@montanaro.dyndns.org> <00f001c6fc6e$a05b7bf0$0301a8c0@DF53XV1J> Message-ID: <17734.38311.197171.699351@montanaro.dyndns.org> Jan> The local host is Jan> http://localhost:8880/config Jan> There is no space in my URL Jan> This are the instruction I followed: Jan> 4.21 How do I set up SpamBayes and Outlook Express? Jan> 1. Download the latest version of SpamBayes from the download page. Jan> 2. Run the installer - you want "sb_server", not the Outlook plug-in. Jan> 3. Open Outlook Express. Jan> 4. From the "Tools" menu, choose "Accounts". Jan> 5. Select your mail account and click "Properties". Jan> 6. Click the "Servers" tab. Jan> 7. Make a note of what you currently have in the "incoming mail server" Jan> entry (the name of your POP3 server). Jan> 8. Change the "incoming mail server" from the name of your POP3 server Jan> to "localhost" (no quotes). Jan> 9. Click "OK". Jan> 10. Click "Close". Jan> 11. Open the SpamBayes configuration page at http://localhost:8880/config Jan> (you can do this via the tray application, or just type that address into Jan> your browser). Jan> 12. Enter your POP3 server's name in the top box ("Remote Servers"). This Jan> is what you wrote down in step 7. Jan> 13. Enter "110" (no quotes) in the second box ("SpamBayes ports"). Jan> 14. Tick the "unsure" and "spam" boxes in the "Notate to" option, about Jan> halfway down the page. Jan> 15. Click the "Save configuration" button at the end of the page. Jan, Give this URL a try: http://localhost:8880/ (that is, without the "config"). Can someone else help out Jan, hopefully someone who uses the POP3 proxy on Windows? I don't use Windows and don't know quite how the POP3 proxy is launched there. Skip Jan> ----- Original Message ----- Jan> From: Jan> To: "Jan Tuerlinckx" Jan> Cc: Jan> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:46 PM Jan> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] (no subject) Jan> And niow a new problem with http:// localhost:8880/review Jan> The page cannot be displayed Jan> The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The >> Web site Jan> might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to >> adjust your Jan> browser settings. >> >> Jan, >> >> Make sure there is not space in the URL. Also, check the port number. >> I'm >> not sure if it's 8880 by default or 8080. When you start sb_server.py I >> think it tells you where it's listening. You should be able to just copy >> and paste the URL it prints. >> >> Skip From stephanmilis at groupdecloedt.be Tue Oct 31 11:46:05 2006 From: stephanmilis at groupdecloedt.be (Stephan Milis) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:46:05 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] For question / Spambayes for Outlook Express Message-ID: <200610311046.k9VAk5xR013712@outmx027.isp.belgacom.be> Is this the procedure to follow for making spambayes running on Outlook Express ? Thk you Stephan Milis Installing the Outlook Client From Source If the Outlook binary doesn't work for you, you can install from source. To do this, you will need three pieces of software: 1. The Python installer, available from the download page of the Python website. You should choose the latest stable release (that is, the latest release with no letters in its version). 2. Mark Hammond's pywin32 extensions. Choose the version which corresponds to the version of Python you downloaded. 3. The SpamBayes source, either as a zip file or via CVS. The zip file will probably be easier to handle, but there may be improvements to the code which make the CVS version a viable option (though you will have to have a CVS client for Windows installed). Once you have all three bits downloaded, run the Python installer then the pywin32 installer. Finally, double-click the addin.py script in the Outlook2000 folder of the SpamBayes distribution and you should be good to go. See the README.txt file in the Outlook2000 directory for more details -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061031/92aad6e9/attachment.html From amedee at amedee.be Tue Oct 31 12:15:30 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:15:30 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] For question / Spambayes for Outlook Express In-Reply-To: <200610311046.k9VAk5xR013712@outmx027.isp.belgacom.be> References: <200610311046.k9VAk5xR013712@outmx027.isp.belgacom.be> Message-ID: <1162293330.10431.82.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Op dinsdag 31-10-2006 om 11:46 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Stephan Milis: > Is this the procedure to follow for making spambayes running on > Outlook Express ? No, it isn't. >From the FAQ: Outlook Express isn't a version of Outlook, it's a completely separate program (from the same company). See http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-express You need this procedure: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-do-i-set-up-spambayes-and-outlook-express -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be From jsp at PKC.com Tue Oct 31 14:32:28 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:32:28 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] asking to delete a message In-Reply-To: <1162242604.10431.52.camel@saruman.telenet.be> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04B47@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Wow. 130,000 hits. I'm not sure I really wanted to know that. At least two of those hits are for people who lived 200+ years ago, though. Despite all those hits, I don't think I get any more spam than your average Joe, nor is there any evidence that anyone has exploited any information out there to my detriment. Maybe that's just because I'm a small fish in a very big ocean, but unless you (Gioseffi) are a much, much bigger fish, I wouldn't worry if I were you. First, it serves no purpose, as there's really nothing to be done about the availability of that information. Second, if someone wants to obtain your contact information, there are probably ways other than a Google search to do so. If you're getting more contact than you want and you believe it's a consequence of your disclosure of this information, you might want to change your e-mail address and/or phone number. (Of course, SpamBayes can help with excess e-mail.) Disclosure of your mailing address is less likely to be a problem, as the cost of postage tends to discourage gratuitous mailings. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Amedee Van Gasse Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:10 PM To: Gioseffi Dino; spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] asking to delete a message Op maandag 30-10-2006 om 20:05 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Gioseffi Dino: > Hi there, > thank you for your answer. > What I am asking is to delete at least the part of the aswer where is reported my address and my ph. and mob. numbers. > To be honest when I sent that mail I did not know that it may be archived, downloaded, or otherwise copied by anyone... > I supposed to ask to a restrict number of people in charge to do it. > Those are my bussiness details and it is very deplorable showing to everyone...that is not fear... > Please help me. > > Dino Gioseffi Dino, Can you accept it if the answer is "no, this cannot be done"? Please read again what Jesse Pelton wrote. This is Pandora's Box: once you open it, you set a lot of things free. And contrary to ancient mythology, this box cannot be closed. The description of the mailing list on http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes is very, very clear: "Please note that this is a public mailing list: all messages sent to this list are visible to the public, and are publicly archived." By subscribing to the mailing list and sending messages, you explicitly agreed with the "rules". I realise this might seem harsh and I apologize, but you only have yourself to blame. You should *always* be very, very, very, *VERY* careful with your personal information. I know this from personal experience because when I go "egosurfing" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egosurfing) I get 25300 results, some of which go back to 1995, when I had my first dialup internet connection at uni. And I'm a nobody, compared to someone like Jesse Pelton, who has 130.000 hits: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Amedee+Van +Gasse&word2=Jesse+Pelton -- Amedee PS: Please always reply to the list. _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From abryson at bytefocus.com Tue Oct 31 15:16:56 2006 From: abryson at bytefocus.com (Alice Bryson ) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:16:56 +0800 Subject: [Spambayes] asking to delete a message In-Reply-To: <913C2CAF74628946B47F1BFA4C800C9CAA7E@mbexchange-bk.mbnet.ad> References: <913C2CAF74628946B47F1BFA4C800C9CAA7E@mbexchange-bk.mbnet.ad> Message-ID: <21ae1b060610310616s585189dfhaf73a7257fe28b75@mail.gmail.com> I like these spam, the more the better~ mailto:abryson at bytefocus.com 2006/10/30, Gioseffi Dino : > > > Hi there, > could you ask you to delete this message? > I receive a lot of spam and this message is the first when you ask dino gioseffi via google search > Thank you > > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > > -- Have a Good Day