From theseer at comcast.net Tue May 2 03:04:56 2006 From: theseer at comcast.net (THESEER) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 21:04:56 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook express 71% of mail will never hit spambayes , it by pases it? Message-ID: <000601c66d84$6d595700$1a8f6041@michaelqrabdla> Message: I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0.4 (March 2005) (binary), with version 2.3.5 (#62, Feb 8 2005, 16:23:02) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service Pack 2). I have trained 400 ham and 66 spam. The problem I am having is: The last few days most mail never gos thru the filter of the last 24 , 7 went thru filter 17 went right into mailbox, any ideas ? I found this but it is not clear what it means: Attach Log file: I think this is what you want?500 Server error Traceback (most recent call last): File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 470, in found_terminator File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyc", line 1016, in onStats File "spambayes\Stats.pyc", line 42, in __init__ File "spambayes\Stats.pyc", line 58, in CalculateStats File "shelve.pyc", line 98, in keys File "bsddb\__init__.pyc", line 138, in keys DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery') SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0.4 (March 2005)Spambayes Web Interface, 20:31 on Monday May 01 2006. Spambayes.org Help I never had any problems with old filter this one I have 400 email , 66 spam. the old filter I had somewhere around 20000 ham to 2000 or 3000 spam with no problems. The mail never went around the filter.I think this info. may mean something to someone , I hope you know the answer THANKS FOR ANY HELP IN THIS MATTER. MIKE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060501/3351e26d/attachment.htm From ghurlbut at bco-inc.com Tue May 2 16:18:56 2006 From: ghurlbut at bco-inc.com (Gil Hurlbut) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 10:18:56 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] A Spam Filter Evaluation Message-ID: <000301c66df3$59dca230$32fea8c0@BCO.LOCAL> There is a recent study report on results of eleven variants of six widely used open-source spam filters including SpamBayes. The conclusion was "Supervised spam filters are effective tools for attenuating spam. The best-performing filters reduced the volume of incoming spam from about 150 messages per day to about 2 messages per day. The corresponding risk of mail loss, while minimal, is difficult to quantify." I'll leave it to those with more time on there hands than I to decipher the specific details on SpamBayes performance. The report is at http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~gvcormac/spamcormack06.pdf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060502/7c2220d0/attachment.htm From SWalsh at gorr.state.ny.us Tue May 2 18:20:33 2006 From: SWalsh at gorr.state.ny.us (Scott Walsh) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 12:20:33 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Bug - not found on SourceForge tracker site Message-ID: <8072687EFEAF344A862124427027738C013A557E@mail2k.gorr2k.gorr.state.ny.us> Hello: I've used SpamBayes for a little while now without any problems (thank you!), but today I have one. After being marked as "safe" a while ago, SpamBayes is suddenly filtering out certain already-read email out of the Inbox and into the Junk Email folder. Specifically, mail I send to this account via the "mail to" function on the StumbleUpon toolbar for Firefox (arriving from: noreply at stumbleupon.com). When I go into the Junk Email folder & select them (individually or as a group) and choose Recover From Spam, they temporarily go to the Inbox, but within seconds they return to the Junk Email folder. Also, a "post" I created in my Outlook Inbox is being filtered the same way, too. I've restarted Outlook, and rebooted, and I still have the same issue. XP Pro Outlook 2003 SpamBayes 1.0.4 Thank you, Scott Scott Walsh Special Assistant NYS Governor's Office GORR/OPAL POB 2107 Albany, NY 12220-0107 P: 518.486.3292 F: 518.473.2861 www.NYS-OPAL.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060502/53b8dea6/attachment.htm From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue May 2 23:42:53 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:42:53 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] A Spam Filter Evaluation In-Reply-To: <000301c66df3$59dca230$32fea8c0@BCO.LOCAL> References: <000301c66df3$59dca230$32fea8c0@BCO.LOCAL> Message-ID: > There is a recent study report on results of eleven variants of six > widely used open-source spam filters including SpamBayes. > > [...] > I?ll leave it to those with more time on there hands than I to > decipher the specific details on SpamBayes performance. > > The report is at > > http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~gvcormac/spamcormack06.pdf Thanks for this. This study was one where filter developers themselves took part - Gordon (et al) didn't select the filters and do the evaluations independently (apart from a couple of extras). I looked after the SpamBayes submission (as well as managing one of the test corpora). If you want easier to read information about how SpamBayes did, my notebook paper or conference paper would be a good place (IMO) to start. Note that I didn't submit SpamBayes hoping to get comparatively good results (although it did surprisingly well); the unsure range, which is fundamental to SpamBayes, makes getting good results in a evaluation like this very difficult. The purpose was more to compare different methods of using SpamBayes (there were four variants evaluated). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From bill.hely at helyholdings.com Wed May 3 02:27:18 2006 From: bill.hely at helyholdings.com (Bill Hely) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:27:18 +1000 Subject: [Spambayes] Bug - not found on SourceForge tracker site In-Reply-To: <8072687EFEAF344A862124427027738C013A557E@mail2k.gorr2k.gorr.state.ny.us> Message-ID: Under SpamBayes --> Filter messages, do you have the appropriate boxes checked under "Restrict the filter to"? - Bill H. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Scott Walsh Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 2:21 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Bug - not found on SourceForge tracker site Hello: I've used SpamBayes for a little while now without any problems (thank you!), but today I have one. After being marked as "safe" a while ago, SpamBayes is suddenly filtering out certain already-read email out of the Inbox and into the Junk Email folder. Specifically, mail I send to this account via the "mail to" function on the StumbleUpon toolbar for Firefox (arriving from: HYPERLINK "mailto:noreply at stumbleupon.com"noreply at stumbleupon.com). When I go into the Junk Email folder & select them (individually or as a group) and choose Recover From Spam, they temporarily go to the Inbox, but within seconds they return to the Junk Email folder. Also, a "post" I created in my Outlook Inbox is being filtered the same way, too. I've restarted Outlook, and rebooted, and I still have the same issue. XP Pro Outlook 2003 SpamBayes 1.0.4 -- We take security very seriously. All outgoing mail is scanned and certified Virus Free before transmission. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/328 - Release Date: 1/05/2006 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060503/45bc5d0b/attachment.htm From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed May 3 03:19:32 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 13:19:32 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook express 71% of mail will never hit spambayes , it by pases it? In-Reply-To: <000601c66d84$6d595700$1a8f6041@michaelqrabdla> References: <000601c66d84$6d595700$1a8f6041@michaelqrabdla> Message-ID: > The last few days most mail never gos thru the filter of the last > 24 , 7 went thru filter 17 went right into mailbox, any ideas ? > [...] > 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal region > error detected; run recovery') Your database is irretrievably corrupted, you need to remove it and retrain from scratch. To do this, either go into the web configuration and change the name of the database (it doesn't matter to what) and then restart SpamBayes, or go to your application data directory and delete the bad database (preferably while SpamBayes is closed). Your application data directory is probably: C:\Documents and Settings\{username}\Application Data\SpamBayes =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From support at freewarefocus.com Wed May 3 11:58:02 2006 From: support at freewarefocus.com (FreewareFocus Support) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:58:02 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Mirror for your Software Message-ID: <20060503100443.4201E6142@telos.saventure.co.za> Dear Software Publisher, This is just a courtesy email to let you know we are currently hosting a mirror for your software at: http://www.freewarefocus.com/getdownload.php?creator=spambayes.sourceforge.net Please feel free to use the links found at the site above as a download mirror for your software. We also welcome any links to the download page so feel free to link from your homepage if you would like to. If you would prefer to link directly to the download then please do so. If you find a broken download link above please let us know at support at freewarefocus.com. Kind regards, Jesse Hemson FreewareFocus.com Support support at freewarefocus.com From amedee at amedee.be Wed May 3 13:20:06 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (amedee at amedee.be) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 13:20:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] Mirror for your Software In-Reply-To: <20060503100443.4201E6142@telos.saventure.co.za> References: <20060503100443.4201E6142@telos.saventure.co.za> Message-ID: <58505.82.146.101.169.1146655206.squirrel@amedee.be> > Dear Software Publisher, *deletia* Yeah... Should I feed this to spam or ham? Is this email for real or not? From jsp at PKC.com Wed May 3 13:37:30 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 07:37:30 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Mirror for your Software Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D047EC@PKCVT01.pkc.com> It appears to be legit, though the download link is broken. I tried to download it in order to compare the checksum on the downloaded version to the published checksum to be sure they were offering the real thing. But the spam or ham question is one of personal preference. (That's part of the reason for SpamBayes!) If you would like to see future messages like this, file it as ham. Otherwise, spam. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of amedee at amedee.be Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:20 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Mirror for your Software > Dear Software Publisher, *deletia* Yeah... Should I feed this to spam or ham? Is this email for real or not? From amedee at amedee.be Wed May 3 14:10:53 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (amedee at amedee.be) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:10:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] Mirror for your Software In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D047EC@PKCVT01.pkc.com> References: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D047EC@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Message-ID: <60968.82.146.101.169.1146658253.squirrel@amedee.be> > It appears to be legit, though the download link is broken. I tried to > download it in order to compare the checksum on the downloaded version > to the published checksum to be sure they were offering the real thing. > > But the spam or ham question is one of personal preference. (That's > part of the reason for SpamBayes!) If you would like to see future > messages like this, file it as ham. Otherwise, spam. Jesse, I know. I'm rather tolerant. If the download link would have worked and the checksum would have been OK, I would have classified this as ham. It is the job of a good webmaster to make sure links are not broken. So, good webmaster = good email; lazy webmaster = bad email, ergo spam. Thank you for testing the download link, it helped me to decide. -- Amedee From Sylvia.Pabst at blv-freiburg.de Thu May 4 10:37:10 2006 From: Sylvia.Pabst at blv-freiburg.de (Pabst, Sylvia) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:37:10 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] spam bayes where to? Message-ID: <1D9C676102B1324ABC58CFF6945A200F0ECCA4@srvfbbvfpx.blv-freiburg.de> Where to do I download the spambayes file? to which directory? to Outlook.exe or where? Thanks for your answer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060504/df3a08be/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu May 4 11:00:04 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 21:00:04 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] spam bayes where to? In-Reply-To: <1D9C676102B1324ABC58CFF6945A200F0ECCA4@srvfbbvfpx.blv-freiburg.de> References: <1D9C676102B1324ABC58CFF6945A200F0ECCA4@srvfbbvfpx.blv-freiburg.de> Message-ID: <5ADA3C15-4C3B-4B9A-AE54-083919200A80@ihug.co.nz> > Where to do I download the spambayes file? to which directory? to > Outlook.exe or where? It's just like any other installer: download it anywhere you like, and then run it. The installer will put the necessary files in the appropriate places; when it is complete you may delete the installer. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From SWalsh at gorr.state.ny.us Thu May 4 16:39:00 2006 From: SWalsh at gorr.state.ny.us (Scott Walsh) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:39:00 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Bug - not found on SourceForge tracker site Message-ID: <8072687EFEAF344A862124427027738C013A5582@mail2k.gorr2k.gorr.state.ny.us> Thank you, Bill, for your reply. I apologize for not responding sooner, but I was away. Upon returning to my office today, I opened Outlook; the StumbleUpon emails (new & old) were not moved to the Suspects folder, as they had previously. So far, SpamBayes seems to be working just as it had: perfectly. Before typing this response, I checked the Filter settings, as you suggested. There were no check marks in the boxes, however, SpamBayes was working perfectly fine prior to Tuesday, so I don't believe that should make a difference in this case. I did, however, change the settings, enabling the "unread mail" restriction, perhaps staving off the same problem from occurring in the future. Again, thank you very much for responding. -Scott Scott Walsh Special Assistant NYS Governor's Office GORR/OPAL POB 2107 Albany, NY 12220-0107 P: 518.486.3292 F: 518.473.2861 www.NYS-OPAL.com ________________________________ From: Bill Hely [mailto:bill.hely at helyholdings.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:27 PM To: Scott Walsh; spambayes at python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Bug - not found on SourceForge tracker site Under SpamBayes --> Filter messages, do you have the appropriate boxes checked under "Restrict the filter to"? - Bill H. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Scott Walsh Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 2:21 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Bug - not found on SourceForge tracker site Hello: I've used SpamBayes for a little while now without any problems (thank you!), but today I have one. After being marked as "safe" a while ago, SpamBayes is suddenly filtering out certain already-read email out of the Inbox and into the Junk Email folder. Specifically, mail I send to this account via the "mail to" function on the StumbleUpon toolbar for Firefox (arriving from: noreply at stumbleupon.com). When I go into the Junk Email folder & select them (individually or as a group) and choose Recover From Spam, they temporarily go to the Inbox, but within seconds they return to the Junk Email folder. Also, a "post" I created in my Outlook Inbox is being filtered the same way, too. I've restarted Outlook, and rebooted, and I still have the same issue. XP Pro Outlook 2003 SpamBayes 1.0.4 -- We take security very seriously. All outgoing mail is scanned and certified Virus Free before transmission. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/328 - Release Date: 1/05/2006 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060504/142da3b6/attachment.html From CCatano at tradepointsystems.com Thu May 4 21:49:17 2006 From: CCatano at tradepointsystems.com (Catano, Celeste) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:49:17 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Error in Spam Log Message-ID: I'm getting this error in my log. The application was running fine until I had to restart my machine. I can manually filter the messages but the automatic message filtering is not working. Traceback (most recent call last): File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 283, in _Invoke_ File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 288, in _invoke_ File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 647, in _invokeex_ File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 581, in _invokeex_ File "addin.pyc", line 390, in OnItemAdd File "msgstore.pyc", line 365, in GetMessage msgstore.MsgStoreException: MsgStoreException: Exception 0x80040107 (MAPI_E_INVALID_ENTRYID): OLE error 0x80040107 pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method. Celeste Catano Principal Analyst, Designer & Developer TradePoint Systems LLC a Kewill Company 603-889-3200 x 2295 ccatano at TradePointsystems.com STATEMENT OF CONFIDENTIALITY: The information contained in this electronic message is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, be advised you have received this message in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying is strictly prohibited. Please notify TradePoint Systems LLC immediately at (603) 889-3200 and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060504/6ec69120/attachment.htm From bill.hely at helyholdings.com Sat May 6 01:37:43 2006 From: bill.hely at helyholdings.com (Bill Hely) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 09:37:43 +1000 Subject: [Spambayes] Error in Spam Log In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As Tony is only dropping in infrequently at the moment, I'll try a suggestion, which may be well wide of the mark. I believe MAPI_E_INVALID_ENTRYID is a Microsoft error. Try a Google search for the term: site:Microsoft.com "MAPI_E_INVALID_ENTRYID" and see if anything there fits your circumstances. - Bill H. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Catano, Celeste Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 5:49 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Error in Spam Log I?m getting this error in my log. The application was running fine until I had to restart my machine. I can manually filter the messages but the automatic message filtering is not working. Traceback (most recent call last): File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 283, in _Invoke_ File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 288, in _invoke_ File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 647, in _invokeex_ File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 581, in _invokeex_ File "addin.pyc", line 390, in OnItemAdd File "msgstore.pyc", line 365, in GetMessage msgstore.MsgStoreException: MsgStoreException: Exception 0x80040107 (MAPI_E_INVALID_ENTRYID): OLE error 0x80040107 pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method. Celeste Catano Principal Analyst, Designer & Developer TradePoint Systems LLC a Kewill Company 603-889-3200 x 2295 ccatano at TradePointsystems.com STATEMENT OF CONFIDENTIALITY: The information contained in this electronic message is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, be advised you have received this message in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying is strictly prohibited. Please notify TradePoint Systems LLC immediately at (603) 889-3200 and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. -- We take security very seriously. All outgoing mail is scanned and certified Virus Free before transmission. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.4/332 - Release Date: 4/05/2006 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060506/32194865/attachment.htm From skip at pobox.com Sun May 7 04:56:24 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 21:56:24 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] ZODB simultaneous read-write is okay, right? Message-ID: <17501.25048.358066.938564@montanaro.dyndns.org> I've switched from anydbm to ZODB for my SpamBayes database file. Just to confirm, I can read and write simultaneously, correct? I'm going back to using sb_mboxtrain for training and using sb_bnfilter for scoring should that make a difference. I'd like to make sure the two processes can share the same ZODB database. Skip From tim.peters at gmail.com Sun May 7 06:35:21 2006 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 00:35:21 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] ZODB simultaneous read-write is okay, right? In-Reply-To: <17501.25048.358066.938564@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <17501.25048.358066.938564@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1f7befae0605062135h38b2308fu8bf7727a1568566f@mail.gmail.com> [skip at pobox.com] > I've switched from anydbm to ZODB for my SpamBayes database file. Just to > confirm, I can read and write simultaneously, correct? I'm going back to > using sb_mboxtrain for training and using sb_bnfilter for scoring should > that make a difference. I'd like to make sure the two processes can share > the same ZODB database. If you're using ZODB thru ZEO, any number of processes can have read-write connections to the database simultaneously. If you're not using ZEO, only one process can open the database with write access, and all other processes must ask for read-only connections; e.g., st = FileStorage('Data.fs', read_only=True) Note that a read-only connection can't participate in transactions, and in particular that means it never "sees" changes made to the database after it opens the database. When a process with a read-only connection decides it wants to see current data, it should close its connection and DB, and re-open the storage from scratch (then create a new DB from the new FileStorage instance, then create a new Connection from the new DB). From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun May 7 08:18:31 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:18:31 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] ZODB simultaneous read-write is okay, right? In-Reply-To: <1f7befae0605062135h38b2308fu8bf7727a1568566f@mail.gmail.com> References: <17501.25048.358066.938564@montanaro.dyndns.org> <1f7befae0605062135h38b2308fu8bf7727a1568566f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: [Skip] >> I've switched from anydbm to ZODB for my SpamBayes database file. >> Just to >> confirm, I can read and write simultaneously, correct? I'm going >> back to >> using sb_mboxtrain for training and using sb_bnfilter for scoring >> should >> that make a difference. I'd like to make sure the two processes >> can share >> the same ZODB database. [Tim] > If you're using ZODB thru ZEO, any number of processes can have > read-write connections to the database simultaneously. There's a ZEO SpamBayes storage class in storage.py (basically it's the same as the ZODB one apart from the method that opens the storage). I've used this without problem, although not anywhere near as extensively as the ZODB one. [...] > When a process with a read-only > connection decides it wants to see current data, it should close its > connection and DB, and re-open the storage from scratch (then create a > new DB from the new FileStorage instance, then create a new Connection > from the new DB). db.close() db = open_storage(db.name, "zeo", db.mode) would do all of this, I believe. =Tony.Meyer From Gary at doctorgary.net Sun May 7 20:48:24 2006 From: Gary at doctorgary.net (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 13:48:24 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Ports & multiple servers Message-ID: <445DFAA8.22814.8C529B8@Gary.doctorgary.net> Hello all, My first post to the group. I use the Pegasus email client. I have two pop3 servers for two separate accounts. On the configuration page under "SpamBayes Ports" it says "This port must be different for each monitored server, and there must be a port for each monitored server." and to separate them by a comma. The only port I have found to accept email is the default port 110. If I change one of the server ports in Pegasus to 111, 113 or 113 (ad nauseum) and then attempt a download, I get an error message in Pegasus saying: "15: Peer connect failure (the host has refused the connection)." Thus far in my endeavours it appears 110 is the only port I have available to use for download. As I need to use both servers, what might I try doing as a workaround or solution? Thanks for the consideration, Gary From jrn111 at cox.net Sun May 7 21:19:44 2006 From: jrn111 at cox.net (Judith Neipris) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 12:19:44 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Thanks! Message-ID: <000601c6720b$398a27c0$2e22ff18@tc.ph.cox.net> Are you Dave Kalin from Palos Verdes High class of 1981? IF so, you know what to do. Joel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060507/fc649d03/attachment.htm From Gary at doctorgary.net Sun May 7 22:56:17 2006 From: Gary at doctorgary.net (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 15:56:17 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Ports & multiple servers In-Reply-To: <445DFAA8.22814.8C529B8@Gary.doctorgary.net> Message-ID: <445E18A1.5257.93A3BA0@Gary.doctorgary.net> Problem solved Gary > Hello all, > > My first post to the group. > > I use the Pegasus email client. I have two pop3 servers > for two separate accounts. On the configuration page > under "SpamBayes Ports" it says "This port must be > different for each monitored server, and there must > be a port for each monitored server." and to separate > them by a comma. > > The only port I have found to accept email is the > default port 110. If I change one of the server ports > in Pegasus to 111, 113 or 113 (ad nauseum) and then > attempt a download, I get an error message in Pegasus > saying: > > "15: Peer connect failure (the host has refused the > connection)." > > Thus far in my endeavours it appears 110 is the only > port I have available to use for download. > > As I need to use both servers, what might I try doing > as a workaround or solution? > > Thanks for the consideration, > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > From skip at pobox.com Mon May 8 03:17:03 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 20:17:03 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] ZODB simultaneous read-write is okay, right? In-Reply-To: <1f7befae0605062135h38b2308fu8bf7727a1568566f@mail.gmail.com> References: <17501.25048.358066.938564@montanaro.dyndns.org> <1f7befae0605062135h38b2308fu8bf7727a1568566f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17502.39951.413611.96404@montanaro.dyndns.org> Tim> If you're not using ZEO, only one process can open the database Tim> with write access, and all other processes must ask for read-only Tim> connections; e.g., Tim> st = FileStorage('Data.fs', read_only=True) Thanks. I'll have to check into that. I don't know if SpamBayes' Storage class distinguishes between the different ways to tools access the database. Skip From skip at pobox.com Mon May 8 03:18:52 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 20:18:52 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] ZODB simultaneous read-write is okay, right? In-Reply-To: References: <17501.25048.358066.938564@montanaro.dyndns.org> <1f7befae0605062135h38b2308fu8bf7727a1568566f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17502.40060.976161.260169@montanaro.dyndns.org> >> When a process with a read-only connection decides it wants to see >> current data, it should close its connection and DB, and re-open the >> storage from scratch (then create a new DB from the new FileStorage >> instance, then create a new Connection from the new DB). Tony> db.close() Tony> db = open_storage(db.name, "zeo", db.mode) Tony> would do all of this, I believe. So all I need to do is switch my persistent_use_database option from "zodb" to "zeo"? Do I need to run a separate process that mediates access to the database? Skip From skip at pobox.com Mon May 8 03:21:32 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 20:21:32 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Thanks! In-Reply-To: <000601c6720b$398a27c0$2e22ff18@tc.ph.cox.net> References: <000601c6720b$398a27c0$2e22ff18@tc.ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <17502.40220.162352.336916@montanaro.dyndns.org> Judith-or-Joel> Are you Dave Kalin from Palos Verdes High class of 1981? Judith-or-Joel> IF so, you know what to do. Actually, no, I'm Skip Montanaro from Piedmont Hills High class of 1971. Who are you, Judith or Joel? I frequently have no idea what to do... Skip From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon May 8 04:18:50 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:18:50 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] ZODB simultaneous read-write is okay, right? In-Reply-To: <17502.40060.976161.260169@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <17501.25048.358066.938564@montanaro.dyndns.org> <1f7befae0605062135h38b2308fu8bf7727a1568566f@mail.gmail.com> <17502.40060.976161.260169@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: > So all I need to do is switch my persistent_use_database option > from "zodb" > to "zeo"? (In theory) yes. If something doesn't work, email me/here/spambayes- dev or assign a bug to me and I'll fix it quickly (I'm working on other stuff related to this at the moment, so it's not a problem to get to it right away). > Do I need to run a separate process that mediates access to the > database? Yes. A "runzeo.py" script should have been installed with ZODB, which you can use for this. You can pass it the things it needs on the command line (see the docstring) or use a config file like: """ address localhost:8090 monitor-address localhost:8091 path /Users/tameyer/hammie.fs path /tmp/zeo.log format %(asctime)s %(message)s """ If that is in a file named "zeo.config", ZEO is then started like: runzeo.py -C zeo.config & This works for me; hopefully if I have something wrong Tim will correct me :) =Tony.Meyer From skip at pobox.com Mon May 8 07:03:09 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 00:03:09 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] ZODB simultaneous read-write is okay, right? In-Reply-To: References: <17501.25048.358066.938564@montanaro.dyndns.org> <1f7befae0605062135h38b2308fu8bf7727a1568566f@mail.gmail.com> <17502.40060.976161.260169@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <17502.53517.269452.842683@montanaro.dyndns.org> >> Do I need to run a separate process that mediates access to the >> database? Tony> Yes. A "runzeo.py" script should have been installed with ZODB, Tony> which you can use for this. You can pass it the things it needs Tony> on the command line (see the docstring) or use a config file like: There is no doc string in runzeo.py. All it contains is a copyright comment and a call out to ZEO.runzeo.main(). Something like runzeo.py --help ought to do the equivalent of pydoc ZEO.runzeo (which does give some useful info). Instead I get a traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Users/skip/local/bin/runzeo.py", line 18, in main() File "/Users/skip/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ZEO/runzeo.py", line 351, in main options.realize(args) File "/Users/skip/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/zdaemon/zdoptions.py", line 242, in realize arg = handler(arg) File "/Users/skip/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/zdaemon/zdoptions.py", line 63, in help if doc.find("%s") > 0: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'find' Thanks for the config info. It should get me going. Skip From skip at pobox.com Mon May 8 07:21:00 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 00:21:00 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] ZODB simultaneous read-write is okay, right? In-Reply-To: References: <17501.25048.358066.938564@montanaro.dyndns.org> <1f7befae0605062135h38b2308fu8bf7727a1568566f@mail.gmail.com> <17502.40060.976161.260169@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <17502.54588.314697.524948@montanaro.dyndns.org> Tony> Tony> address localhost:8090 Tony> monitor-address localhost:8091 Tony> Tony> Tony> path /Users/tameyer/hammie.fs Tony> Tony> Tony> Tony> path /tmp/zeo.log Tony> format %(asctime)s %(message)s Tony> Tony> Tony> If that is in a file named "zeo.config", ZEO is then started like: Tony> runzeo.py -C zeo.config & I tried this with the exception that my ports were 28090 and 28091 and I changed filenames to suit my machine. (I already use port 8090 for something else.) The runzeo process started fine and told me what it was doing up until I killed it: 2006-05-08T00:11:59 (11371) opening storage '1' using FileStorage 2006-05-08T00:12:02 (11371) StorageServer created RW with storages: 1:RW:/Users/skip/hammie.db 2006-05-08T00:12:02 (11371) listening on ('localhost', 28090) 2006-05-08T00:12:02 listening on ('localhost', 28091) 2006-05-08T00:14:52 (11371) terminated by SIGTERM 2006-05-08T00:14:52 (11371) closing storage '1' While it was running, I tried running sb_filter.py. It just hung. When I got tired and killed it, it emitted this traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Users/skip/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 268, in main() File "/Users/skip/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 245, in main h.newdb() File "/Users/skip/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 179, in newdb self.open('n') File "/Users/skip/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 168, in open self.h = hammie.open(self.dbname, self.usedb, self.mode) File "/Users/skip/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 275, in open return Hammie(storage.open_storage(filename, useDB, mode)) File "/Users/skip/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 949, in open_storage return klass(data_source_name) File "/Users/skip/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 827, in __init__ ZODBClassifier.__init__(self, db_name) File "/Users/skip/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 695, in __init__ self.load() File "/Users/skip/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 730, in load self.create_storage() File "/Users/skip/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 835, in create_storage self.storage = ClientStorage(addr) File "/Users/skip/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ZEO/ClientStorage.py", line 321, in __init__ self._wait(wait_timeout) File "/Users/skip/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ZEO/ClientStorage.py", line 336, in _wait self._rpc_mgr.connect(sync=1) File "/Users/skip/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ZEO/zrpc/client.py", line 181, in connect self.cond.wait(30) File "/Users/skip/local/lib/python2.5/threading.py", line 237, in wait _sleep(delay) KeyboardInterrupt Is there something magical about ports 8090 and 8091? Skip From skip at pobox.com Mon May 8 07:24:46 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 00:24:46 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] ZODB simultaneous read-write is okay, right? In-Reply-To: <17502.54588.314697.524948@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <17501.25048.358066.938564@montanaro.dyndns.org> <1f7befae0605062135h38b2308fu8bf7727a1568566f@mail.gmail.com> <17502.40060.976161.260169@montanaro.dyndns.org> <17502.54588.314697.524948@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <17502.54814.966186.921994@montanaro.dyndns.org> skip> I tried this with the exception that my ports were 28090 and 28091 skip> and I changed filenames to suit my machine. I just tried ports 8090 and 8091. Same result. sb_filter hangs. Skip From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon May 8 08:45:36 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:45:36 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] ZODB simultaneous read-write is okay, right? In-Reply-To: <17502.53517.269452.842683@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <17501.25048.358066.938564@montanaro.dyndns.org> <1f7befae0605062135h38b2308fu8bf7727a1568566f@mail.gmail.com> <17502.40060.976161.260169@montanaro.dyndns.org> <17502.53517.269452.842683@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <0472FC08-52D9-4B48-88CD-165ABD3A6EBF@ihug.co.nz> [Tony] >> Yes. A "runzeo.py" script should have been installed with ZODB, >> which you can use for this. You can pass it the things it needs >> on the command line (see the docstring) or use a config file like: [Skip] > There is no doc string in runzeo.py. All it contains is a > copyright comment > and a call out to ZEO.runzeo.main(). Ah yes, forgot about that, sorry. I meant the docstring of ZEO.runzeo. > Something like > > runzeo.py --help > > ought to do the equivalent of > > pydoc ZEO.runzeo > > (which does give some useful info). Instead I get a traceback: [...] > AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'find' This is why I didn't just say use --help. Actually, it annoyed me so often I fixed the bug locally (by putting in a "doc=__doc__" in the call to options.realize at the end of ZEO.runzeo, but I think the proper fix is changing the runzeo.py script's body to be """ from ZEO.runzeo import main, __doc__ # Provide an appropriate docstring. import __main__ __main__.__doc__ = __doc__ main() """ ). It looks like Zope SVN still has this issue, so maybe I should provide a bug report or patch or something... =Tony.Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon May 8 09:10:02 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 19:10:02 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] ZODB simultaneous read-write is okay, right? In-Reply-To: <17502.54588.314697.524948@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <17501.25048.358066.938564@montanaro.dyndns.org> <1f7befae0605062135h38b2308fu8bf7727a1568566f@mail.gmail.com> <17502.40060.976161.260169@montanaro.dyndns.org> <17502.54588.314697.524948@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <998A1172-D110-412B-9E20-A9F3828C0DDC@ihug.co.nz> > [...] > I tried this with the exception that my ports were 28090 and 28091 > and I > changed filenames to suit my machine. [...] > While it was running, I tried running sb_filter.py. It just hung. [...] > Is there something magical about ports 8090 and 8091? Sorry - I said that you only had to change persistent_use_database to "zeo" and run a ZEO server and that was it, but I forgot a step. You also have to tell SpamBayes where the ZEO server is. The ZEO storage class uses the persistent_storage_file option like the SQL classes do, looking for something like: persistent_storage_file: port=8090 host=example.com user=foo pass=bar dbname=tokens You can leave out any where the defaults are fine. host defaults to localhost, if you didn't add anything about authentication to the zeo.config file, then you can leave out both user and pass (presumably you're protecting your ZEO server from outside access in other ways like with a firewall) and dbname defaults to "SpamBayes" (you could have multiple dbs in one ZODB file if you wanted). port defaults to None, which I think means that it tries to connect to a unix socket rather than a TCP one, which I know zilch about (I guess ZEO would also be run differently). So probably all you want is: persistent_storage_file: port=28090 This time I actually ran this (on my Mac) with exactly the config file from my earlier message and only the above line and the persistent_use_database=zeo one in my .ini and sb_filter.py worked for me (on port 8090, but as you figured in the later message, there is nothing special about 8090). =Tony.Meyer From amedee at amedee.be Mon May 8 16:49:29 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (amedee at amedee.be) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:49:29 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] Thanks! In-Reply-To: <17502.40220.162352.336916@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <000601c6720b$398a27c0$2e22ff18@tc.ph.cox.net> <17502.40220.162352.336916@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <50494.213.118.146.89.1147099769.squirrel@amedee.be> > Judith-or-Joel> Are you Dave Kalin from Palos Verdes High class of > 1981? > Judith-or-Joel> IF so, you know what to do. > > Actually, no, I'm Skip Montanaro from Piedmont Hills High class of 1971. > Who are you, Judith or Joel? I frequently have no idea what to do... Uhhh... dude... this was like, you know, spam... Just let SB train on it... From jsp at PKC.com Mon May 8 17:00:29 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:00:29 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Thanks! Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04801@PKCVT01.pkc.com> But (just) training on it wouldn't have been as funny! (I'm always gratified when someone other than me gives n to the impulse to poke fun on a public list.) -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of amedee at amedee.be Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 10:49 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Thanks! > Judith-or-Joel> Are you Dave Kalin from Palos Verdes High class of > 1981? > Judith-or-Joel> IF so, you know what to do. > > Actually, no, I'm Skip Montanaro from Piedmont Hills High class of 1971. > Who are you, Judith or Joel? I frequently have no idea what to do... Uhhh... dude... this was like, you know, spam... Just let SB train on it... From Gary at doctorgary.net Mon May 8 19:12:40 2006 From: Gary at doctorgary.net (Gary Smith) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 12:12:40 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Training question - Pickle Message-ID: <445F35B8.21330.416630@Gary.doctorgary.net> I get many emails from listservers. Reading through the advanced options I noticed using a pickle method of database storage to quickly deal with a huge numbers of messages. Selecting the pickle option creates a 500 error. I was using the Alpha 1.1a1 and when I encountered this error, I uninstalled the alpha and re-installed it. The problem persists. I uninstalled again & went to the current stable release 1.04. and continued to be unable to use Spambayes. Looking at the ini, I saw where the [Storage] was still listed as persistent_database:pickle I edited out that line, restarted the program and Spambayes again appears to be working. Here is the error message I received when selecting the pickle option: ------------------------------------- 500 Server error Traceback (most recent call last): File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 470, in found_terminator File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyc", line 793, in onChangeopts File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 729, in reReadOptions File "sb_server.pyc", line 891, in _recreateState File "sb_server.pyc", line 906, in prepare File "sb_server.pyc", line 738, in prepare File "sb_server.pyc", line 786, in createWorkers File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 710, in open_storage File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 91, in __init__ File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 114, in load EOFError --------------------------------------- Any suggestions? Thank you Gary From Gary at doctorgary.net Mon May 8 19:12:40 2006 From: Gary at doctorgary.net (Gary Smith) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 12:12:40 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Training question - Pickle Message-ID: <445F35B8.20870.41664F@Gary.doctorgary.net> Addendum: I should have mentioned that after this problem, when double click the icon or select "review messages" I get the following message instead: ------------------------------------------- 500 Server error Traceback (most recent call last): File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 470, in found_terminator File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 519, in onReview File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 229, in _buildReviewKeys AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'keys' --------------------------------------- Gary > I get many emails from listservers. Reading through > the advanced options I noticed using a pickle method > of database storage to quickly deal with a huge > numbers of messages. > > Selecting the pickle option creates a 500 error. I was > using the Alpha 1.1a1 and when I encountered this > error, I uninstalled the alpha and re-installed it. The > problem persists. I uninstalled again & went to the > current stable release 1.04. and continued to be unable > to use Spambayes. > > Looking at the ini, I saw where the [Storage] was still > listed as persistent_database:pickle > > I edited out that line, restarted the program and > Spambayes again appears to be working. > > Here is the error message I received when selecting > the pickle option: > ------------------------------------- > > 500 Server error > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 470, in > found_terminator > > File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyc", line 793, in > onChangeopts > > File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 729, in > reReadOptions > > File "sb_server.pyc", line 891, in _recreateState > > File "sb_server.pyc", line 906, in prepare > > File "sb_server.pyc", line 738, in prepare > > File "sb_server.pyc", line 786, in createWorkers > > File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 710, in > open_storage > > File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 91, in __init__ > > File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 114, in load > > EOFError > > --------------------------------------- > > Any suggestions? > > Thank you > > Gary > From Gary at doctorgary.net Mon May 8 19:28:49 2006 From: Gary at doctorgary.net (Gary Smith) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 12:28:49 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Training Question - Status configuration Message-ID: <445F3981.19914.502E1F@Gary.doctorgary.net> Question regarding the Ham vs Spam ratio As I get many messages daily thanks to multiple active lists I belong to, I do get far more Ham than Spam. I have been reviewing & checking off the spam as it arrives and then clicking on train. I just reviewed for new messages and none had arrived so I clicked on return Home and saw the messages copied below: -------------------------------- POP3 conversations this session: 1. Emails classified this session: 0 spam, 0 ham, 0 unsure. Total emails trained: Spam: 15 Ham: 211 More statistics... Warning: you have much more ham than spam - SpamBayes works best with approximately even numbers of ham and spam. ------------------------------ the "warning" is what I am writing about. I read that there should be a more equal ratio of spam/ham but how are we to create that ratio when email continues to come in a skewered (in in my case a 15:211) ratio? I could unsubscribe from lists and then the spam would be more equal but obviously that's not practical. I could review all emails & one by one & unclick the good ones and re-click them as "defer" thus creating a 1:1 ratio of ham/spam for training but that would create a lot of messages to keep reviewing each time I & a whole lot of what would be a PITA amount of clicking as there's no global option to list everything as defer & then select the Spam & equal #'s of HAM for training purposes. I could go to the Proxy folder and manually delete some of the stored items in the Ham cache but I suspect that would not alter the database's findings. How is one to create the proper ham/spam ratio when the incoming Ham greatly outnumbers the Spam as regards training? I must have missed something obvious. Suggestions. From madebyhand at nettally.com Mon May 8 20:44:51 2006 From: madebyhand at nettally.com (Gary Kempton) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:44:51 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] lost junk mail folder Message-ID: Deleted junk mail folder in error but don't know how to get it back. Help -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/2006 From steve at techauthor.com Mon May 8 23:07:32 2006 From: steve at techauthor.com (Steve Kalman) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:07:32 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] suggestion Message-ID: <000001c672e3$6d1fa190$3201a8c0@dell> Someone grabbed my domain name again. I'm hesitant to teach spambayes that bounces are spam (for the few that aren't, they're essential). If not too difficult, I'd suggest checking bounces against sent mail. If not in the latter, then it is spam, otherwise ham. Thanks for listening. Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060508/1ba14db7/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm hesitant to teach spambayes that bounces are spam (for the few that aren't, they're essential). If not too difficult, I'd suggest checking bounces against sent mail. If not in the latter, then it is spam, otherwise ham. Thanks for listening. Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060508/6e8675e8/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue May 9 01:36:00 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 11:36:00 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Training Question - Status configuration In-Reply-To: <445F3981.19914.502E1F@Gary.doctorgary.net> References: <445F3981.19914.502E1F@Gary.doctorgary.net> Message-ID: [...] > the "warning" is what I am writing about. I read that > there should be a more equal ratio of spam/ham but > how are we to create that ratio when email continues > to come in a skewered (in in my case a 15:211) ratio? I > could unsubscribe from lists and then the spam would > be more equal but obviously that's not practical. We recommend not training on all messages, but rather using a mistake- based training approach. Train any messages that are incorrectly classified and any messages that are unsure. [...] > there's no global option to list everything > as defer & then select the Spam & equal #'s of HAM > for training purposes. Yes, there is. These are the "Default training for ham", "Default training for spam", and "Default training for unsure" options. They are on the advanced configuration page. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From Gary at doctorgary.net Tue May 9 02:38:23 2006 From: Gary at doctorgary.net (Gary Smith) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 19:38:23 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Training Question - Status configuration In-Reply-To: References: <445F3981.19914.502E1F@Gary.doctorgary.net> Message-ID: <445F9E2F.3719.1D97514@Gary.doctorgary.net> Hi Tony, thanks for the reply. > [...] > > the "warning" is what I am writing about. I read that > > there should be a more equal ratio of spam/ham but > > how are we to create that ratio when email continues > > to come in a skewered (in in my case a 15:211) ratio? I > > could unsubscribe from lists and then the spam would > > be more equal but obviously that's not practical. > > We recommend not training on all messages, but rather using a mistake- > based training approach. Train any messages that are incorrectly > classified and any messages that are unsure. When I double click on the tray icon I see what's been processed since the last time I used the train button. I don't see a way to select only a certain number or variety of processed emails. I can click the defer options on the good emails and be sure the SPAM was listed as SPAM before clicking on the training button but the next time I check to see what has been processed, all the good emails previously set as defer return listed as HAM & I have to go through all of those which is a lot of redundency on my part. So I don't see a way of bypassing the emails properly classified as HAM, they still get "trained". > > [...] > > there's no global option to list everything > > as defer & then select the Spam & equal #'s of HAM > > for training purposes. > > Yes, there is. These are the "Default training for ham", "Default > training for spam", and "Default training for unsure" options. They > are on the advanced configuration page. Those options appear to be set by default, I don't think I changed them. They do classify as ham, spam or unsure on the "review Messages" page but they don't appear to do anything towards making "Equal #'s of HAM for training purposes". Perhaps you're suggesting I list everything as unsure and then correct that designation after the email has been processed? If that's the suggestion, I just changed the Default training for ham to show as defer. I'll still have to review all previously reviewed emails to be sure to ID all the spam and all the HAM emails will show up ad nauseum as unsure because they never get processed. But if this is the way it's designed to work, I'll give it a go. Again, thank you for the reply. Gary > > =Tony.Meyer > > -- > Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. > http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. > > > From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue May 9 04:42:12 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:42:12 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Training Question - Status configuration In-Reply-To: <445F9E2F.3719.1D97514@Gary.doctorgary.net> References: <445F3981.19914.502E1F@Gary.doctorgary.net> <445F9E2F.3719.1D97514@Gary.doctorgary.net> Message-ID: <055F8D90-84E9-48FE-9C34-BE6ED62CC0BF@ihug.co.nz> >> We recommend not training on all messages, but rather using a >> mistake- >> based training approach. Train any messages that are incorrectly >> classified and any messages that are unsure. > > When I double click on the tray icon I see what's been > processed since the last time I used the train button. > I don't see a way to select only a certain number or > variety of processed emails. You have four options for each message, defer (i.e. do nothing with it), ham (train it as good mail), spam (train it as bad mail), and discard (do not train it). This allows you to do any training regime that you like. > I can click the defer options on the good emails and > be sure the SPAM was listed as SPAM before clicking > on the training button but the next time I check to > see what has been processed, all the good emails > previously set as defer return listed as HAM & I have > to go through all of those which is a lot of redundency > on my part. > > So I don't see a way of bypassing the emails properly > classified as HAM, they still get "trained". Why not use discard? >>> there's no global option to list everything >>> as defer & then select the Spam & equal #'s of HAM >>> for training purposes. >> >> Yes, there is. These are the "Default training for ham", "Default >> training for spam", and "Default training for unsure" options. They >> are on the advanced configuration page. > > Those options appear to be set by default, I don't > think I changed them. Yes, every option that SpamBayes has has a default value. [...] > Perhaps you're suggesting I list everything as unsure > and then correct that designation after the email has > been processed? My suggestion is that you only train on mistakes and unsures. So, by default, it would make most sense to discard ham and spam, and defer unsures. Then you need to correct the value for all the unsures and any mistakes, and that's it. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From shlomo at eastafricaforum.net Tue May 9 04:43:36 2006 From: shlomo at eastafricaforum.net (Shlomo) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:43:36 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] first time user Message-ID: <006301c67312$629c3dd0$0202a8c0@looey> I turned on Spam Bayes for the first time and all incoming messages started being filtered to an unknown folder that I didn't knowingly designate. I can't find them. I discovered and disabled the 'enable filter' so I can receive emails. Where might the messages have been sent? How to start the program properly? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060508/62c34db0/attachment.htm From amedee at amedee.be Tue May 9 10:22:34 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (amedee at amedee.be) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:22:34 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] lost junk mail folder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44201.82.146.101.169.1147162954.squirrel@amedee.be> > Deleted junk mail folder in error but don't know how to get it back. Help That is a $MAIL_CLIENT related question, not a SpamBayes related question. I suggest you consult the manual of your $MAIL_CLIENT, or ask on a mailing list or newsgroup related to your $MAIL_CLIENT. Since you seem to be using Microsoft Outlook, I suggest you try something like news:microsoft.public.outlook.general. Google claims there are 159256 over there. -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be From amedee at amedee.be Tue May 9 10:30:44 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (amedee at amedee.be) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:30:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] lost junk mail folder In-Reply-To: <44201.82.146.101.169.1147162954.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <44201.82.146.101.169.1147162954.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <45502.82.146.101.169.1147163444.squirrel@amedee.be> >> Deleted junk mail folder in error but don't know how to get it back. >> Help > > That is a $MAIL_CLIENT related question, not a SpamBayes related question. > I suggest you consult the manual of your $MAIL_CLIENT, or ask on a mailing > list or newsgroup related to your $MAIL_CLIENT. > > Since you seem to be using Microsoft Outlook, I suggest you try something > like news:microsoft.public.outlook.general. Google claims there are > 159256 over there. That should be: 159256 *messages* over there. That means it's a very active group, exponentially more active than this mailing list. So your chance of getting a good answer there would also be much, much bigger! -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be From amedee at amedee.be Tue May 9 10:49:10 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (amedee at amedee.be) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:49:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py does not train on all messages? Message-ID: <47210.82.146.101.169.1147164550.squirrel@amedee.be> Hello, I have the following script that I run occasionally to train on ham and spam: amedee at debian31lamp:~$ cat spamtrain #!/bin/sh # # MAKE SURE TO EXPUNGE/COMPACT the folders before running this # sb_mboxtrain.py -d $HOME/.hammiedb -g $HOME/Maildir/.ztrain.confirmed-ham -s $HOME/Maildir/.ztrain.confirmed-spam I get the following output: amedee at debian31lamp:~$ ./spamtrain Training ham (/home/amedee/Maildir/.ztrain.confirmed-ham): Reading /home/amedee/Maildir/.ztrain.confirmed-ham/cur as Maildir Trained 1 out of 1 messages Training spam (/home/amedee/Maildir/.ztrain.confirmed-spam): Reading /home/amedee/Maildir/.ztrain.confirmed-spam/cur as Maildir Trained 4 out of 6 messages I'm confused about the "Trained 4 out of 6 messages". sb_mboxtrain.py doesn't train on all messages? The folders are compacted, so that is not the issue. Coincidently, in the confirmed-spam there are 4 read messages and 2 unread messages. By the way, what's a fast way to see some ham/spam statistics like in the Outlook plugin? -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue May 9 12:34:38 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:34:38 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] lost junk mail folder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Deleted junk mail folder in error but don't know how to get it > back. Help Please see FAQ 3.13: =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue May 9 12:35:39 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:35:39 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] first time user In-Reply-To: <006301c67312$629c3dd0$0202a8c0@looey> References: <006301c67312$629c3dd0$0202a8c0@looey> Message-ID: <3EEABC89-1EE5-400E-9D7A-23A5DF5F448A@ihug.co.nz> > I turned on Spam Bayes for the first time and all incoming messages > started being filtered to an unknown folder that I didn't knowingly > designate. Did you pay attention to the Wizard that appeared? > I can't find them. Please see FAQ 3.12: =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue May 9 12:38:19 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:38:19 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py does not train on all messages? In-Reply-To: <47210.82.146.101.169.1147164550.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <47210.82.146.101.169.1147164550.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <73393AE6-B6E8-4B62-A2A1-4E6B2B20BEA5@ihug.co.nz> > I have the following script that I run occasionally to train on ham > and spam: [...] > I'm confused about the "Trained 4 out of 6 messages". sb_mboxtrain.py > doesn't train on all messages? With Maildir folders, it only trains on messages in the cur directory and not in the new directory, unless you use the -n flag. See sb_mboxtrain.py --help. > By the way, what's a fast way to see some ham/spam statistics like > in the > Outlook plugin? What statistics are you after? sb_mboxtrain doesn't store as much information as sb_server/Outlook, so there isn't as much you can find out. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue May 9 12:41:50 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:41:50 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Training question - Pickle In-Reply-To: <445F35B8.21330.416630@Gary.doctorgary.net> References: <445F35B8.21330.416630@Gary.doctorgary.net> Message-ID: <24329895-E1D4-4E79-B43B-8F7DB0E531FE@ihug.co.nz> > I get many emails from listservers. Reading through > the advanced options I noticed using a pickle method > of database storage to quickly deal with a huge > numbers of messages. > > Selecting the pickle option creates a 500 error. I was > using the Alpha 1.1a1 sb_server users should *not* use 1.1a1. Use 1.0.4 or 1.1a2 (from source, or the binary when I manage to get it out). The problem you experienced is a flaw in the web interface that will be fixed at some point (it might be already fixed in CVS; I don't recall offhand). You changed the type of database, but didn't change the database itself, so problems occurred. You need to change both the type and the database (it's name, to start afresh) at the same time - the catch is that these options are on different pages... Since you've found the .ini, the easy way to fix this is to put the persistent_use_database:pickle line back (under a [Storage] heading) and change the name of the database, e.g., persistent_file_name:hammie.pik. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue May 9 12:43:46 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:43:46 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py does not train on all messages? In-Reply-To: <73393AE6-B6E8-4B62-A2A1-4E6B2B20BEA5@ihug.co.nz> References: <47210.82.146.101.169.1147164550.squirrel@amedee.be> <73393AE6-B6E8-4B62-A2A1-4E6B2B20BEA5@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: [Me] > See sb_mboxtrain.py --help. Or rather, 'sb_mboxtrain.py -h'. (--help works, but only by accident). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From mmgroupcoy at everymail.net Tue May 9 12:16:18 2006 From: mmgroupcoy at everymail.net (Richard Mason) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 06:16:18 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] ONLINE JOB OFFER... 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All rights reserved From amedee at amedee.be Tue May 9 14:47:21 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (amedee at amedee.be) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:47:21 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py does not train on all messages? In-Reply-To: <73393AE6-B6E8-4B62-A2A1-4E6B2B20BEA5@ihug.co.nz> References: <47210.82.146.101.169.1147164550.squirrel@amedee.be> <73393AE6-B6E8-4B62-A2A1-4E6B2B20BEA5@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <49020.82.146.101.169.1147178841.squirrel@amedee.be> > With Maildir folders, it only trains on messages in the cur directory > and not in the new directory, unless you use the -n flag. See > sb_mboxtrain.py --help. OMG!!! It has a help! Does it come with a kitchensink also? ;-) >> By the way, what's a fast way to see some ham/spam statistics like >> in the >> Outlook plugin? > > What statistics are you after? sb_mboxtrain doesn't store as much > information as sb_server/Outlook, so there isn't as much you can find > out. Never mind, I wrote this quick hack myself: $ elinks -source http://localhost:8880 | grep am: | html2text Now I only have to find a reliable way of detecting if sb_server is already running, start it if needed, and shut it down when done. -- Amedee From kenny.pitt at gmail.com Tue May 9 16:19:48 2006 From: kenny.pitt at gmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:19:48 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Add-in vs. COM In-Reply-To: References: <2a049bae0602191900n7ad76282if0af865d55f96311@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2a052b990605090719s691f150ereaa0f4d87739f850@mail.gmail.com> On 2/20/06, Mark Hammond wrote: > > Here's sample COM code that should not leave an outlook.exe behind but > does: > ... > > Addin terminating: 2 COM client and 2 COM servers exist. > > I'm afraid the only advice I can offer you is to start looking that those > remaining objects. Although that message is normal, it isn't ideal and may > be the problem. If all python implemented objects were dead, then I'm > afraid I'd be truly stumped! Sorry, I'm running a bit behind on my backlog of mailing list mail. This a known issue and we have an issue logged in the tracker as "1103976 Outlook.exe will not terminate". Unfortunately, I've been extremely busy lately with the job that pays the bills and haven't had a chance to look into this further. I'm still holding out hope that we'll be able to solve this before the final 1.1 release. -- Kenny Pitt From skip at pobox.com Tue May 9 16:52:49 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:52:49 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py does not train on all messages? In-Reply-To: <47210.82.146.101.169.1147164550.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <47210.82.146.101.169.1147164550.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <17504.44225.811514.124009@montanaro.dyndns.org> amedee> I'm confused about the "Trained 4 out of 6 messages". Unless you use the -f flag, it doesn't train on messages it's already seen. I believe this is true for all types of mailboxes it knows about. It's certainly true for Unix mbox files. Skip From simon.turner at ntd.co.uk Tue May 9 17:09:02 2006 From: simon.turner at ntd.co.uk (Simon Turner) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 16:09:02 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Ensuring mail does not caught in spam filters - header:Reply-To:1 field. Message-ID: <728C7987305BC744AFB27A10EF85B1CE1B0733@NTD-DC.NTD-OFFICE.local> Hello, We are having troubles with emails sent from an email application hosted on a clients web server. Some of them are beening filtered out by various of their subscribers spam filters. I am trying to reduce the possibility that this happens. The one remaining vagary I have is this field: 'header:Reply-To:1' Whatever I set this field to Spambayes seems to give it a high spam probability and I can't figure out why. Can anyone help me? Extra info: I would assume that the best this field could be set to is the same as the "From" address, but this seems to make no difference to it's high spam probablity ranking. The list in question is an opt-in list. Users subscribe to it (and unsubscribe) from our clients web site to receive news about pensions. They can also unsubscribe directly from the email. Regards, Simon Turner NTD Tel: +44 (0)1273 381120 From ckamas at dslextreme.com Tue May 9 19:01:08 2006 From: ckamas at dslextreme.com (ckamas at dslextreme.com) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 10:01:08 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] pre-filter the Review web page Message-ID: <44606864.23269.44B49A9@ckamas.dslextreme.com> How Can I pre-filter the training web page? I get a lot of email from mailing lists that have a very low instance of SPAM and I would like to ignore them. Is there a way I can have spambayes toss them so I can concentrate on the rest of the mail without having to sift through the mailing lists? Is the only way to do this is to directly filter the data base? If so what files do I need to touch with a bash script? Chuck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060509/05af1d81/attachment.htm From amedee at amedee.be Tue May 9 19:30:25 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (amedee at amedee.be) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 19:30:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] pre-filter the Review web page In-Reply-To: <44606864.23269.44B49A9@ckamas.dslextreme.com> References: <44606864.23269.44B49A9@ckamas.dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <47872.213.118.146.89.1147195825.squirrel@amedee.be> > How Can I pre-filter the training web page? I get a lot of email from > mailing lists that have a > very low instance of SPAM and I would like to ignore them. Is there a way > I can have > spambayes toss them so I can concentrate on the rest of the mail without > having to sift > through the mailing lists? Is the only way to do this is to directly > filter the data base? If so > what files do I need to touch with a bash script? You didin't say how your mail is set up. I'll tell you how I solved it. In my .procmailrc I move email from trusted mailing lists to separate folders BEFORE the SpamBayes filtering kicks in, like this: ### These emails are not filtered by SpamBayes ## Mailing lists # Pandora User Base mailing lists :0 * ^List-Id:[^<]+<\/[^.]+\.pub\.telenet\.be { :0: * MATCH ?? ^\/[^.]+ .pub.${MATCH}/ } # PUB, not from mailing list :0 * ^From:.*pub\.telenet\.be .pub/ :0: * ^Subject:.*\[smokeping .smokeping/ :0: * ^List-id: campagne\.duimenvoorjongeren\.be .duimenvoorjongeren/ ## Logs :0: * ^From: logcheck .log.logcheck/ :0: * ^Subject:.*\[SmokeAlert .log.smokealert/ :0: * ^Subject:.*\[SNORT .log.snort/ :0: * ^Subject: Cron .log.cron/ ### SpamBayes filtering starts here :0 fw:hamlock | sb_filter.py # Messages that are so obviously spam that we should not train on them :0 * ^X-SpamBayes-Classification: spam; 1.00 .ztrain.obvious-spam/ # Messages that are spam but we might want to train on them :0 * ^X-SpamBayes-Classification: spam .ztrain.spam/ # Unsure messages must be copied to the unsure folder for training :0 c * ^X-SpamBayes-Classification: unsure .ztrain.unsure/ # Ham that doesn't score 0.00 is eligible for training as well :0 c * ^X-SpamBayes-Classification: ham; 0.0[2-9] .ztrain.ham/ :0 c * ^X-SpamBayes-Classification: ham; 0.1[0-9] .ztrain.ham/ ### These mailing lists are filtered by SpamBayes # Spambayes mailing list :0: * ^List-Id:.*spambayes\.python\.org .spambayes/ :0: * ^Subject:.*\[Spambayes\] .spambayes/ Hope this helps, -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be From ckamas at dslextreme.com Tue May 9 19:55:52 2006 From: ckamas at dslextreme.com (ckamas at dslextreme.com) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 10:55:52 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] pre-filter the Review web page In-Reply-To: <47872.213.118.146.89.1147195825.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <44606864.23269.44B49A9@ckamas.dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <44607538.16072.47D6627@ckamas.dslextreme.com> My setup is: pop3 server on my ISP stunnel to isp spambayes to stunnel email client to spambayes So your idea of using ptocmailrc is a good one... just not practical in my situation. BTW I am using the proxy interface to spambayes. Chuck On 9 May 2006 at 19:30, amedee at amedee.be wrote: > > > How Can I pre-filter the training web page? I get a lot of email from > > mailing lists that have a > > very low instance of SPAM and I would like to ignore them. Is there a way > > I can have > > spambayes toss them so I can concentrate on the rest of the mail without > > having to sift > > through the mailing lists? Is the only way to do this is to directly > > filter the data base? If so > > what files do I need to touch with a bash script? > > You didin't say how your mail is set up. I'll tell you how I solved it. > In my .procmailrc I move email from trusted mailing lists to separate > folders BEFORE the SpamBayes filtering kicks in, like this: > > > ### These emails are not filtered by SpamBayes > > ## Mailing lists > > # Pandora User Base mailing lists > :0 > * ^List-Id:[^<]+<\/[^.]+\.pub\.telenet\.be > { > :0: > * MATCH ?? ^\/[^.]+ > .pub.${MATCH}/ > } > > # PUB, not from mailing list > :0 > * ^From:.*pub\.telenet\.be > .pub/ > > > :0: > * ^Subject:.*\[smokeping > .smokeping/ > > :0: > * ^List-id: campagne\.duimenvoorjongeren\.be > .duimenvoorjongeren/ > > > ## Logs > > :0: > * ^From: logcheck > .log.logcheck/ > > :0: > * ^Subject:.*\[SmokeAlert > .log.smokealert/ > > :0: > * ^Subject:.*\[SNORT > .log.snort/ > > :0: > * ^Subject: Cron > .log.cron/ > > > ### SpamBayes filtering starts here > > :0 fw:hamlock > | sb_filter.py > > # Messages that are so obviously spam that we should not train on them > :0 > * ^X-SpamBayes-Classification: spam; 1.00 > .ztrain.obvious-spam/ > > # Messages that are spam but we might want to train on them > :0 > * ^X-SpamBayes-Classification: spam > .ztrain.spam/ > > # Unsure messages must be copied to the unsure folder for training > :0 c > * ^X-SpamBayes-Classification: unsure > .ztrain.unsure/ > > # Ham that doesn't score 0.00 is eligible for training as well > :0 c > * ^X-SpamBayes-Classification: ham; 0.0[2-9] > .ztrain.ham/ > > :0 c > * ^X-SpamBayes-Classification: ham; 0.1[0-9] > .ztrain.ham/ > > > ### These mailing lists are filtered by SpamBayes > > # Spambayes mailing list > :0: > * ^List-Id:.*spambayes\.python\.org > .spambayes/ > > :0: > * ^Subject:.*\[Spambayes\] > .spambayes/ > > > Hope this helps, > > -- > Amedee Van Gasse > amedee at amedee.be > > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Suppress caching of bulk ham" prevents mailing list emails that have been classified as Ham from appearing in the training list. -- Richie Hindle richie at entrian.com From shlomo at eastafricaforum.net Wed May 10 03:58:34 2006 From: shlomo at eastafricaforum.net (Shlomo) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:58:34 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] filtering stopped Message-ID: <000501c673d5$45fb1930$0202a8c0@looey> After one day of successful SpamBayes operation, with a high percentage of correct decisions: 1. All messages are labeled Spam and sent to the Spam folder. 2. The 'Recover From Spam' button does not work. 3. The 'Delete As Spam' button does not work. I reset the Configuration and checked Enable SpamBayes I retrained with the Wizard. All four boxes on the Training tab page are checked. In Incremental Training, clicking Recover or Delete should not change the message. I rebooted my computer. What should I try next? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That assumes your mailing list sets either the > > Precedence: bulk > > or > > Precedence: list > > header. Most do. "Suppress caching of bulk ham" prevents mailing list > emails that have been classified as Ham from appearing in the training > list. > > -- > Richie Hindle > richie at entrian.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060510/7170a6f3/attachment.html From bill.hely at helyholdings.com Thu May 11 06:23:19 2006 From: bill.hely at helyholdings.com (Bill Hely) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:23:19 +1000 Subject: [Spambayes] lost junk mail folder In-Reply-To: <44201.82.146.101.169.1147162954.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: On the contrary, it is a perfectly legitimate question for a SpamBayes list. Although the folder *can* be recreated in Outlook, it can also be recreated directly in the SpamBayes Manager. And in either case SpamBayes has to be "told" where the recreated spam folder resides. It would have also been much quicker, more efficient, more helpful and more pleasant to just answer the question. - Bill H. > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces at python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of amedee at amedee.be > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:23 PM > To: spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] lost junk mail folder > > > > > Deleted junk mail folder in error but don't know how to get > it back. Help > > That is a $MAIL_CLIENT related question, not a SpamBayes > related question. > I suggest you consult the manual of your $MAIL_CLIENT, or ask > on a mailing > list or newsgroup related to your $MAIL_CLIENT. > > Since you seem to be using Microsoft Outlook, I suggest you > try something > like news:microsoft.public.outlook.general. Google claims there are > 159256 over there. > > -- > Amedee Van Gasse > amedee at amedee.be > > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > -- We take security very seriously. All outgoing mail is scanned and certified Virus Free before transmission. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/335 - Release Date: 9/05/2006 From bill.hely at helyholdings.com Thu May 11 06:26:14 2006 From: bill.hely at helyholdings.com (Bill Hely) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:26:14 +1000 Subject: [Spambayes] Training question - Pickle In-Reply-To: <24329895-E1D4-4E79-B43B-8F7DB0E531FE@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: > sb_server users should *not* use 1.1a1. Use 1.0.4 or 1.1a2 (from > source, or the binary when I manage to get it out). *GENTLE* prod: Any progress in the direction of the 1.1a2 Binary, Tony. - Bill H. -- We take security very seriously. All outgoing mail is scanned and certified Virus Free before transmission. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/335 - Release Date: 9/05/2006 From Gary at doctorgary.net Thu May 11 08:43:30 2006 From: Gary at doctorgary.net (Gary Smith) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:43:30 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] A thank you Message-ID: <446296C2.2362.28D7DF@Gary.doctorgary.net> I've been working with Spambayes for only a few days and it is proving to be just what I had hoped to find. Some spam are still being listed as unsure but after the first two days, no legitimate email has been listed as unsure. Many spam now come in as unsure. When this happens I train them as spam. I have my Pegasus filters set to send both spam & unsure to a folder I call "Honey Pot". Today there have been 32 spam sent to me and all of them ended up in either the honey Pot or the "deleted" folder. I have many filters set up in Pegasus that I used to try & trap spam but they failed miserably. Not suprising considering the myriad varieties of new spam they had to deal with & each filter was a one trick pony. My compliments to the programers who have been perfecting spambayes, you're doing a marvelous job & I truly thank you! Gary From otraver at ono.com Thu May 11 09:05:50 2006 From: otraver at ono.com (Octavio Traver) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:05:50 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] I can't send emails with spambayes installed Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060511085544.026bab30@ono.com> Hi guys. Sorry for my bad english, I' spanish. Yesterday I installed Spambayes filter in my computer. My email client is Eudora. Acording with the FAQ I modified the eudora ini in order to use Spambayes as email proxy. I don't have problems receiving emails but I can't send. In the config page of spambayes I configured my email server and port pop3.ono.com port 8110 and smtp.ono.com port 8115 I have included this parameters in eudora.ini. The client begins to send the email but finally I obtain a error message. Error reading from network. Cause: Connection refused by foreing host. (0) Octavio Traver otraver at ono.com En la era digital, el bit es como el papel para la imprenta y el aire para las palabras. No permitas que la SGAE cambie la historia. www.putaSGAE.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060511/fc57efa1/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu May 11 12:42:56 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:42:56 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] I can't send emails with spambayes installed In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060511085544.026bab30@ono.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060511085544.026bab30@ono.com> Message-ID: <669A5B01-258D-4CC1-8E6F-8D2F92BB69E2@ihug.co.nz> > In the config page of spambayes I configured my email server and > port pop3.ono.com port 8110 and smtp.ono.com port 8115 Unless you know why you would want to, you don't want to use the SMTP proxy. Leave those settings blank, and leave the settings in Eudora connecting directly to your regular SMTP server. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu May 11 12:52:21 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:52:21 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] filtering stopped In-Reply-To: <000501c673d5$45fb1930$0202a8c0@looey> References: <000501c673d5$45fb1930$0202a8c0@looey> Message-ID: > After one day of successful SpamBayes operation, with a high > percentage of correct decisions: > > 1. All messages are labeled Spam and sent to the Spam folder. > > 2. The 'Recover From Spam' button does not work. > > 3. The 'Delete As Spam' button does not work. [...] > What should I try next? Please send us a copy of your most recent log file. SpamBayes- >SpamBayes Manager->Advanced->Diagnostics->View Log. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu May 11 12:55:38 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:55:38 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py does not train on all messages? In-Reply-To: <49020.82.146.101.169.1147178841.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <47210.82.146.101.169.1147164550.squirrel@amedee.be> <73393AE6-B6E8-4B62-A2A1-4E6B2B20BEA5@ihug.co.nz> <49020.82.146.101.169.1147178841.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <52E12796-0C4F-4F41-9C50-8FC907AF9125@ihug.co.nz> > Now I only have to find a reliable way of detecting if sb_server is > already running, start it if needed, and shut it down when done. There are various ways to check this, e.g.: 1. If you're sure that nothing else on the machine will try and use the same ports as SpamBayes, then you can check to see whether a connection is accepted (either to a proxy port or to the HTML UI port). 2. You can grep through ps and check for a 'python sb_server.py' (or however you have it setup) process. 3. You could add code to the open_platform_mutex function in sb_server to open some sort of lock for your platform (e.g. create a directory, and delete it on close) and use that to check whether sb_server is running. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu May 11 12:59:43 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:59:43 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Ensuring mail does not caught in spam filters - header:Reply-To:1 field. In-Reply-To: <728C7987305BC744AFB27A10EF85B1CE1B0733@NTD-DC.NTD-OFFICE.local> References: <728C7987305BC744AFB27A10EF85B1CE1B0733@NTD-DC.NTD-OFFICE.local> Message-ID: > The one remaining vagary I have is this field: 'header:Reply-To:1' > Whatever I set this field to Spambayes seems to give it a high spam > probability and I can't figure out why. Because you have trained a lot of spam with that token. It really is that simple. > I would assume that the best this field could be set to is the same as > the "From" address, but this seems to make no difference to it's high > spam probablity ranking. 'header:Reply-To:1' says that there is exactly one "Reply-To" header; it does not say anything about its contents. You can stop SpamBayes generating that token by setting the 'safe_headers' option. e.g. add this to your configuration file: [Headers] safe_headers:abuse-reports-to,date,errors-to,from,importance,in-reply- to,message-id,mime-version,organization,received,return- path,subject,to,user-agent,x-abuse-info,x-complaints-to,x-face (That's all the defaults, except for reply-to. Note that it should be all one line). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu May 11 13:04:55 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:04:55 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] A thank you In-Reply-To: <446296C2.2362.28D7DF@Gary.doctorgary.net> References: <446296C2.2362.28D7DF@Gary.doctorgary.net> Message-ID: <775DC092-2D8B-482B-8360-1D91558F197F@ihug.co.nz> > My compliments to the programers who have been > perfecting spambayes, you're doing a marvelous job & > I truly thank you! On behalf of everyone, many thanks for the kind words; much appreciated! =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu May 11 13:05:50 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:05:50 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] cannot view spambayes manager In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I have had to re-install spambayes due to a server upgrade. I now > cannot view the spambayes manager and my junk folders are gone. I > have un-installed spambayes and re-installed it twice and still no > manager or folders. Can you help? Check to see if Outlook has disabled the plug-in: Help->About Microsoft Outlook->Disabled Items. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu May 11 13:06:24 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:06:24 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin never filters 1st message In-Reply-To: <54E40201497DF142B06B27255953F79717EB8BAC@il0015exch007u.ih.lucent.com> References: <54E40201497DF142B06B27255953F79717EB8BAC@il0015exch007u.ih.lucent.com> Message-ID: <2943A06D-6D5B-49A4-99BA-78211F4093CF@ihug.co.nz> > Using the Spambayes Outlook Plugin 1.0.4 with Outlook 2000 SP3 > (Corporate/Workgroup Mode) on Windows 2000, I?ve noticed that when > I start Outlook the first message in my Inbox never gets scored. > The Spam column remains blank. Any way around this? Try adjusting the timer values in the Advanced tab of the SpamBayes Manager dialog. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From amedee at amedee.be Thu May 11 14:24:29 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (amedee at amedee.be) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:24:29 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] I can't send emails with spambayes installed In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060511085544.026bab30@ono.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060511085544.026bab30@ono.com> Message-ID: <43005.82.146.101.169.1147350269.squirrel@amedee.be> > Hi guys. > Sorry for my bad english, I' spanish. I think your english is OK. > In the config page of spambayes I configured my email server and port > pop3.ono.com port 8110 and smtp.ono.com port 8115 > I have included this parameters in eudora.ini. > The client begins to send the email but finally I obtain a error message. > > Error reading from network. > Cause: Connection refused by foreing host. (0) Do you really need to configure smtp? I think you only need to spamfilter your incoming mail, not your outgoing mail. Does it work if you configure eudora to use your normal smtp? -- Amedee Van Gasse From amedee at amedee.be Thu May 11 14:41:23 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (amedee at amedee.be) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:41:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py does not train on all messages? In-Reply-To: <52E12796-0C4F-4F41-9C50-8FC907AF9125@ihug.co.nz> References: <47210.82.146.101.169.1147164550.squirrel@amedee.be> <73393AE6-B6E8-4B62-A2A1-4E6B2B20BEA5@ihug.co.nz> <49020.82.146.101.169.1147178841.squirrel@amedee.be> <52E12796-0C4F-4F41-9C50-8FC907AF9125@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <43619.82.146.101.169.1147351283.squirrel@amedee.be> >> Now I only have to find a reliable way of detecting if sb_server is >> already running, start it if needed, and shut it down when done. > > There are various ways to check this, e.g.: > > 1. If you're sure that nothing else on the machine will try and use > the same ports as SpamBayes, then you can check to see whether a > connection is accepted (either to a proxy port or to the HTML UI port). > > 2. You can grep through ps and check for a 'python > sb_server.py' (or however you have it setup) process. > > 3. You could add code to the open_platform_mutex function in > sb_server to open some sort of lock for your platform (e.g. create a > directory, and delete it on close) and use that to check whether > sb_server is running. Thank you for the suggestions Tony. I think I'll use ps -A | grep sb_server.py 99.9% of the time sb_server won't be running anyway, because I am not using sb_server but sb_filter. The only thing now is how to shut down sb_server.py without any output. pkilling it doesn't seem to be the way to do it, but I'll leave that as an excercise to myself. -- Amedee Van Gasse From christophe.deprez at bri.nrc.ca Thu May 11 15:04:09 2006 From: christophe.deprez at bri.nrc.ca (Christophe Deprez) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:04:09 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Feedback on sb_dbexpimp.py Message-ID: <44633649.6090708@bri.nrc.ca> Hi there, Thanks for spambayes. We've been using our own server-side adaptation of spambayes and the amount of spam received in the Institute has drastically dropped... for free! Recently, I've been using the sb_dbexpimp.py utility to merge databases and I am questionning the "feature" introduced in recent versions, which tries different western encodings in the uunquote function: for encoding in ("utf-8", "cp1252", "iso-8859-1"): My point is that when non-ASCII characters are converted in an encoding different from utf-8, it is irreversible! So when exporting and re-importing a database, I don't end up with the initial database, as I first expected. Is this intentional? What is the effect on the filtering efficiency of the new filter? Cheers -- Christophe Deprez christophe.deprez at bri.nrc.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Institut de Recherche en Biotechnologies / Biotech. Research Institute 6100 Royalmount, Montr?al (QC) H4P 2R2, Canada Tel: (514) 496-6164 From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu May 11 22:19:12 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:19:12 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py does not train on all messages? In-Reply-To: <43619.82.146.101.169.1147351283.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <47210.82.146.101.169.1147164550.squirrel@amedee.be> <73393AE6-B6E8-4B62-A2A1-4E6B2B20BEA5@ihug.co.nz> <49020.82.146.101.169.1147178841.squirrel@amedee.be> <52E12796-0C4F-4F41-9C50-8FC907AF9125@ihug.co.nz> <43619.82.146.101.169.1147351283.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: > The only thing now is how to shut down sb_server.py without any > output. > pkilling it doesn't seem to be the way to do it, but I'll leave > that as an > excercise to myself. Something like wget http://localhost:8890/Save?shutdown=True > /dev/null Should work (URL is from memory, so might not be 100% right). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu May 11 22:20:05 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:20:05 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] I can't send emails with spambayes installed In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060511142157.026bab30@ono.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060511085544.026bab30@ono.com> <669A5B01-258D-4CC1-8E6F-8D2F92BB69E2@ihug.co.nz> <7.0.1.0.2.20060511142157.026bab30@ono.com> Message-ID: <1131891B-5850-4C37-B6A4-AFDFF2CDB2E3@ihug.co.nz> >>> In the config page of spambayes I configured my email server and >>> port pop3.ono.com port 8110 and smtp.ono.com port 8115 >> >> Unless you know why you would want to, you don't want to use the SMTP >> proxy. Leave those settings blank, and leave the settings in Eudora >> connecting directly to your regular SMTP server. > > I have tried this and solved the problem, but now when I forward > one email to spambayes_spam at localhost in order to train I can't > send it Training via the web interface is generally the best way to go. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From rose609 at paulbunyan.net Fri May 12 15:46:10 2006 From: rose609 at paulbunyan.net (Richard Rose) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:46:10 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Disappearing not received mail! Have read troublshooting Message-ID: Our e-mail is disappearing I have read the trouble shooting and I can't figure out what is going on. I had airline confirmations coming in and they have disappeared, had confirmation for a convention and they have disappeared. This can't continue or we will need to stop using your program. Also job resume that have been sent have disappeared. Fix this or we're done. Thanks From lists at webcrunchers.com Fri May 12 20:44:00 2006 From: lists at webcrunchers.com (John Draper) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:44:00 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamCrunchers project starting up Message-ID: <4464D770.2040306@webcrunchers.com> Hi, I think you guys in SpamBayes might want to know about this. I'm starting up the SpamCrunchers project this time. I might have mentioned it a few years ago, but back then, I wrote proof of performance code and ran it for 3 months, and it was responsible for fingering and shutting down more then 750,000 zombie hosts controlled by botnets. We would like to add a spambaysian to our list of project members because we want to deploy and integrate some of the work you guys are doing into our system. All of our work is done in Python, and we are considering using Twisted Python for our client-server functionality. We are just getting started in this project, and we meet on AIM, Skype or Email for the time being, and if you're in the LA area, we meet in person at a free WIFI coffee shop in the Valley. Contact me at this address, but please don't change the subject line, because that's how I can dig your response from the 3000 list messages I get per day. Regards The Crunchman From bill.hely at helyholdings.com Sat May 13 00:07:05 2006 From: bill.hely at helyholdings.com (Bill Hely) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 08:07:05 +1000 Subject: [Spambayes] Disappearing not received mail! Have read troublshooting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: SpamBayes has NO CAPABILITY to delete mail - neither intentionally nor accidentally. What version of SpamBayes are you using? What eMail client? Do you have any mail handling rules in place? Any other information relevant to your setup? > Fix this or we're done. Interesting way to ask for help with an open source (read FREE) program! - Bill H. (Happy SpamBayes user, not a developer) > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces at python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Richard Rose > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:46 PM > To: spambayes at python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] Disappearing not received mail! Have > read troublshooting > > > > Our e-mail is disappearing I have read the trouble shooting > and I can't > figure out what is going on. I had airline confirmations > coming in and they > have disappeared, had confirmation for a convention and they have > disappeared. This can't continue or we will need to stop > using your program. > Also job resume that have been sent have disappeared. Fix > this or we're > done. Thanks -- We take security very seriously. All outgoing mail is scanned and certified Virus Free before transmission. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 11/05/2006 From amedee at amedee.be Sat May 13 19:10:02 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (amedee at amedee.be) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 19:10:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] Disappearing not received mail! Have read troublshooting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3563.213.118.146.89.1147540202.squirrel@amedee.be> Dear Richard, I am not a developer, just a user like you, but I'll try to help. > Our e-mail is disappearing That is very unfortunate. But you should know that SpamBayes probably isn't responsable. It has no email deleting capabilities, not intentionally anyway. See http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-can-i-configure-spambayes-to-delete-spam-rather-than-moving-it and http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#some-of-my-mail-is-going-missing Your mail probably isn't gone, but is just somewhere you don't know where to look. > I have read the trouble shooting and I can't figure out what is going on. ENOCRYSTALBALL I have read your email and I can't figure out how SpamBayes is set up on your system. I see you use "Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)" so chances are you use the Microsoft Outlook plugin. If you have installed that in a normal way, just Next, Next, Next, Finish, then you should have a separate folder in Outlook where all the spam goes. Perhaps this folder isn't in the Outlook shortcut bar, but I'm pretty sure there is a FAQ entry somewhere that describes how you can solve that. > I had airline confirmations coming in and they have disappeared, > had confirmation for a convention and they have disappeared. > Also job resume that have been sent have disappeared. That sounds logical, because confirmation messages usually look A LOT like spam messages, and since the are usually a low volume, it is very difficult to train on them. I'm absolutly certain that most other antispam solutions "out there" would have made the same classification mistake. > This can't continue or we will need to stop using your program. > Fix this or we're done. I believe in Choice, and Freedom of Choice. It's a Free World, and SpamBayes is Free Software. You can choose to change your attitude, be friendly and get help, or you can choose to stop using SpamBayes. In my experience developers don't react very well to threats, and since you didn't pay any money for SpamBayes, the devs won't earn any less money. I'm sorry for these hard words, but it seems to me you haven't yet experienced the "culture shock" that most people need to behave normal on the internet. Normal meaning behaving exactly as you would in real life. I'm assuming you're just a nice bloke in real life, just like all of us. > Thanks You're welcome -- Amedee Van Gasse From Gary at doctorgary.net Sun May 14 03:23:13 2006 From: Gary at doctorgary.net (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 20:23:13 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Web Interface: Home Message-ID: <44664031.22113.6D26AB3@Gary.doctorgary.net> Hi, I needed to delete the database due to corruption and start anew. I've been saving my spam in a folder in Pegasus in case of this eventuality. I thought I could copy the raw data in Pegasus and by clicking the "view information" tab on the spambayes taskbar icon, enter this raw data in the "Train on a message, mbox file or dbx file" section. When I paste the raw data of a known spam into the data entry window Where it says: Train on a message, mbox file or dbx file Either upload a message, mbox or dbx file: Or paste one whole message (including headers) here:" & click on "train as spam", it does not reflect in the status & configuration section as a spam has been trained. How do I activate that facility? Thanks, Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(I have no idea what format Pegasus saves its messages in). > When I paste the raw data of a known spam into the data entry > window Where it says: > Train on a message, mbox file or dbx file > Either upload a message, mbox or dbx file: > Or paste one whole message (including headers) here:" > > & click on "train as spam", it does not reflect in the status & > configuration section as a spam has been trained. Do the logs contain any errors messages? =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From Gary at doctorgary.net Sun May 14 04:36:43 2006 From: Gary at doctorgary.net (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 21:36:43 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Web Interface: Home In-Reply-To: <9AF3A306-1722-4472-A6C3-B27074C01756@ihug.co.nz> References: <44664031.22113.6D26AB3@Gary.doctorgary.net> Message-ID: <4466516B.11544.715B69B@Gary.doctorgary.net> Hi, > > I've been saving my spam in a folder in Pegasus in case of this > > eventuality. I thought I could copy the raw data in Pegasus and by > > clicking the "view information" tab on the spambayes taskbar icon, > > enter this raw data in the "Train on a message, mbox file or dbx > > file" section. > > By "raw data", do you mean messages in RFC2822 format? (I have no > idea what format Pegasus saves its messages in). Aparently so but I had to do a google to find out: http://www.pmail.com/roadmap_05.htm > > When I paste the raw data of a known spam into the data entry > > window Where it says: > > Train on a message, mbox file or dbx file > > Either upload a message, mbox or dbx file: > > Or paste one whole message (including headers) here:" > > > > & click on "train as spam", it does not reflect in the status & > > configuration section as a spam has been trained. > > Do the logs contain any errors messages? I looked in the spambayes folder in Program files and the proxy folder in the documents & settings tree but I haven't noticed anything I see as a log. I enter the info as I mentioned above but see no reflection a spam has been trained. Which file would I look for as a log? I have restarted spambayes anew and deleted the old files in the proxy folder. I am at this point with 0 new spam and 4 ham. I don't in the least mind starting over but it would be expeditious to use these archived spams as a teaching tool. Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060513/3aa5c2c3/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun May 14 05:06:08 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:06:08 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Web Interface: Home In-Reply-To: <4466516B.11544.715B69B@Gary.doctorgary.net> References: <44664031.22113.6D26AB3@Gary.doctorgary.net> <4466516B.11544.715B69B@Gary.doctorgary.net> Message-ID: <5A14515A-0B43-4BDA-B08D-4BBA60D3D967@ihug.co.nz> >> Do the logs contain any errors messages? > > I looked in the spambayes folder in Program files and the proxy > folder in the documents & settings tree but I haven't noticed > anything I see as a log. [...] > Which file would I look for as a log? They are in your temp directory, called SpamBayesServer1.log, SpamBayesServer2.log, and so on (up to 4). Your temp directory is likely to be C:\Documents and Settings\{username}\Local Settings\Temp (note that this folder is often hidden). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun May 14 05:08:10 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:08:10 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Training question - Pickle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > *GENTLE* prod: Any progress in the direction of the 1.1a2 Binary, > Tony. I told you prodding worked ;) Mark did the compiling for me, and after various failures we managed to get the files to me, and ten I finally managed to figure out where they ended up... Anyway, I've uploaded the installer to sourceforge now, so you're welcome to try it. Unless someone indicates that it's terribly broken, I'll get to updating the website & sending out the release emails later this week (Wednesday, probably). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun May 14 05:09:02 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:09:02 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Undo Delete as Spam Sender In-Reply-To: <24ed5ff30510261102q379ec562tcf3dfefdb262c03a@mail.gmail.com> References: <24ed5ff30510261102q379ec562tcf3dfefdb262c03a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I need to undo selecting a sender into "delete as spam" I had them > selected and hit the wrong button. Simply open up your spam folder, find the erroneously trained message, select it, and click the "Recover from Spam" button. SpamBayes will undo the bad training (and also train as ham), and move the message back to where it came from. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From bill.hely at helyholdings.com Sun May 14 05:57:19 2006 From: bill.hely at helyholdings.com (Bill Hely) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 13:57:19 +1000 Subject: [Spambayes] Training question - Pickle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Fantastic! Thanks very much for that. I'm finishing up a contract job at the moment but will definitely get to 1.1a2 during the week. Best regards, - Bill Hely - Brisbane, Australia > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces at python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Tony Meyer > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 1:08 PM > To: bill.hely at helyholdings.com > Cc: spambayes at python.org Help > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Training question - Pickle > > > > > *GENTLE* prod: Any progress in the direction of the 1.1a2 Binary, > > Tony. > > I told you prodding worked ;) Mark did the compiling for me, and > after various failures we managed to get the files to me, and ten I > finally managed to figure out where they ended up... > > Anyway, I've uploaded the installer to sourceforge now, so you're > welcome to try it. Unless someone indicates that it's terribly > broken, I'll get to updating the website & sending out the release > emails later this week (Wednesday, probably). > > =Tony.Meyer -- We take security very seriously. All outgoing mail is scanned and certified Virus Free before transmission. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 12/05/2006 From Gary at doctorgary.net Sun May 14 09:03:07 2006 From: Gary at doctorgary.net (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 02:03:07 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Web Interface: Home In-Reply-To: <5A14515A-0B43-4BDA-B08D-4BBA60D3D967@ihug.co.nz> References: <4466516B.11544.715B69B@Gary.doctorgary.net> Message-ID: <44668FDB.7448.80999C9@Gary.doctorgary.net> Hi Tony, I looked in that temp folder and found these results (listed at the bottom of this reply) I see no error messages. Also, in the advanced filtering options I had selected under "interface options" the default training for HAM, SPAM & Unsure was to list them all as unsure. Somehow most everything came in & was listed as HAM including two spam. I'd like to train those two HAM as spam but they shouldn't have been classified as ham in the first place because they didn't come in as defered. Ideas at this point? Thanks! Gary > >> Do the logs contain any errors messages? > > > > I looked in the spambayes folder in Program files and the proxy > > folder in the documents & settings tree but I haven't noticed > > anything I see as a log. > [...] > > Which file would I look for as a log? > > They are in your temp directory, called SpamBayesServer1.log, > SpamBayesServer2.log, and so on (up to 4). Your temp directory is > likely to be C:\Documents and Settings\{username}\Local Settings\Temp > (note that this folder is often hidden). > > =Tony.Meyer Log 1: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\spambayes.modules C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\spambayes.modules\spambayes\l anguages Service not available. Using thread. Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying doctorgary.net:110 Listener on port 111 is proxying mailhost.chi.ameritech.net:110 User interface url is http://localhost:8880/ Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying doctorgary.net:110 Listener on port 111 is proxying mailhost.chi.ameritech.net:110 Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying doctorgary.net:110 Listener on port 111 is proxying mailhost.chi.ameritech.net:110 Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying doctorgary.net:110 Listener on port 111 is proxying mailhost.chi.ameritech.net:110 Log 2: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\spambayes.modules C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\spambayes.modules\spambayes\l anguages Service not available. Using thread. Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying doctorgary.net:110 Listener on port 111 is proxying mailhost.chi.ameritech.net:110 User interface url is http://localhost:8880/ Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying doctorgary.net:110 Listener on port 111 is proxying mailhost.chi.ameritech.net:110 Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying doctorgary.net:110 Listener on port 111 is proxying mailhost.chi.ameritech.net:110 Log 3: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\spambayes.modules C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\spambayes.modules\spambayes\l anguages Service not available. Using thread. Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying doctorgary.net:110 Listener on port 111 is proxying mailhost.chi.ameritech.net:110 User interface url is http://localhost:8880/ Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying doctorgary.net:110 Listener on port 111 is proxying mailhost.chi.ameritech.net:110 Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying doctorgary.net:110 Listener on port 111 is proxying mailhost.chi.ameritech.net:110 Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying doctorgary.net:110 Listener on port 111 is proxying mailhost.chi.ameritech.net:110 Log 4: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\spambayes.modules C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\spambayes.modules\spambayes\l anguages Service not available. Using thread. Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying doctorgary.net:110 Listener on port 111 is proxying mailhost.chi.ameritech.net:110 User interface url is http://localhost:8880/ Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying doctorgary.net:110 Listener on port 111 is proxying mailhost.chi.ameritech.net:110 Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying doctorgary.net:110 Listener on port 111 is proxying mailhost.chi.ameritech.net:110 Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying doctorgary.net:110 Listener on port 111 is proxying mailhost.chi.ameritech.net:110 From cheverisimo at earthlink.net Mon May 15 03:54:57 2006 From: cheverisimo at earthlink.net (J Violich) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 21:54:57 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] delete spambayes Message-ID: <410-22006511515457793@earthlink.net> Hello: How do I delete Spambayes. I don't need it anymore. Thanks, Frano J Frano Violich cheverisimo at earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060514/4235e580/attachment.html From amedee at amedee.be Mon May 15 09:01:32 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (amedee at amedee.be) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:01:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] delete spambayes In-Reply-To: <410-22006511515457793@earthlink.net> References: <410-22006511515457793@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <38806.82.146.101.169.1147676492.squirrel@amedee.be> > Hello: > How do I delete Spambayes. I don't need it anymore. > Thanks, > Frano Hello Frano, How did you install it in the first place? As an outlook plugin? See http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-do-i-uninstall-the-plug-in Or as a mail proxy (sb_server)? See http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-do-i-set-up-spambayes-and-outlook-express Follow the instructions in reverse, and remove the software using Windows Control Panel. (you use Windows, don't you?) -- Amedee From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Wed May 17 14:03:44 2006 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:03:44 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Undo Delete as Spam Sender Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F500695DFC3@SPIKE.city> > From: spambayes-bounces+rcoe=cambridgema.gov at python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces+rcoe=cambridgema.gov at python.org] On > Behalf Of Tony Meyer > Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 11:09 PM > To: Beverly Wertman > Cc: spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Undo Delete as Spam Sender > > > > I need to undo selecting a sender into "delete as spam" > > I had them selected and hit the wrong button. > > Simply open up your spam folder, find the erroneously trained > message, select it, and click the "Recover from Spam" button. > SpamBayes will undo the bad training (and also train as ham), > and move the message back to where it came from. > > =Tony.Meyer I keep learning things I didn't know about Spambayes training. It appears that you're saying that recovering the message to the inbox does more than just reverse the effect of misclassifying it as spam. I.e., if it "also train[s] as ham", doesn't this mean that the (sole) end result is to add a message to the ham database that wouldn't have been added otherwise? This suggests that misclassifying ham messages and then reversing the misclassification can be used to help redress the balance when the ham/spam ratio gets too low. Or am I reading more into this than you intended? Bob Information Technology Department, City of Cambridge 831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139 * 617-349-4217 * fax 617-349-6165 From cleacock at isr.umich.edu Wed May 17 16:54:10 2006 From: cleacock at isr.umich.edu (Cindi Leacock) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:54:10 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] No Filterable Mail Selected Message-ID: <57FB79AC7A8713428736C8FA2BD20C643BF9CB@isr-mail1.ad.isr.umich.edu> Hi, I am working on Windows Microsoft Office 2003. I have SPAM BAYES OutlookBinary Add-In Version (July 2004). When I click on a message to Send to Spam or Recover from Spam I receive the error message: ! No Filterable Mail Items Were Selected. The filter is enabled on the system. I have reconfigured SPAM BAYES and can't get rid of this nuisance. After I click twice and click ok on the error message it sends it to SPAM or recovers it from SPAM. Any ideas? Thanks! ____________________ Cindi Leacock Science Writer Health and Retirement Study Institute for Social Research 426 Thompson St. Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1248 734.615.4697 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060517/ec94d053/attachment.htm From trishbrowning at atblaw.net Wed May 17 17:52:35 2006 From: trishbrowning at atblaw.net (Trish Browning) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:52:35 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <4E0A82370AF062479E6B9DD9A8B2830B01D62E44@atbp2003.atblaw.net> Please remove fax # 707-544-1441 from your fax list. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060517/ae3afca3/attachment.htm From jsp at PKC.com Wed May 17 19:18:18 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:18:18 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D0481C@PKCVT01.pkc.com> As far as I know, SpamBayes has no fax list. In fact, I'd be amazed if it had one. Faxes cost money and SpamBayes is a zero-budget operation, besides which there's no reason for anyone associated with the project to send faxes. Just so you know, you sent your message to a public email list, which is archived by various sites. This means that your fax number is now widely available, if anyone should care to search for it. Unfortunately, the cat is out of the bag; there's no way to retract your message or prevent its archiving. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Trish Browning Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:53 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Please remove fax # ... from your fax list. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060517/03c7470c/attachment.html From mikec at mikecauser.com Wed May 17 21:26:59 2006 From: mikec at mikecauser.com (Mike Causer) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:26:59 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D0481C@PKCVT01.pkc.com> References: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D0481C@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Message-ID: <20060517202659.10bda573.mikec@mikecauser.com> On Wed, 17 May 2006 13:18:18 -0400 "Jesse Pelton" wrote: > As far as I know, SpamBayes has no fax list. In fact, I'd be amazed if > it had one. Faxes cost money and SpamBayes is a zero-budget operation, > besides which there's no reason for anyone associated with the project > to send faxes. Requests like this have turned up once or twice a year since I've been reading the list. I don't see the saame thing on other lists, so I wonder if a fax scammer is in fact putting the Spambayes list address as a fake contact? If Ms Browning still has the original it would be very interesting to see it. Perhaps the law firm of Adelson, Testan and Brundo will know if California has a junk fax law? Mike -- Mike Causer Email - mailto:mikec at mikecauser.com GPG KeyID 1C2DDA07 WWW - http://www.mikecauser.com Flood the fen again! - Wicken Fen enlargement - http://www.wicken.org.uk From amedee at amedee.be Wed May 17 22:17:33 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (amedee at amedee.be) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:17:33 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <4E0A82370AF062479E6B9DD9A8B2830B01D62E44@atbp2003.atblaw.net> References: <4E0A82370AF062479E6B9DD9A8B2830B01D62E44@atbp2003.atblaw.net> Message-ID: <2265.213.118.146.89.1147897053.squirrel@amedee.be> > Please remove fax # 707-544-1441 from your fax list. Thank you. No I won't. Because to /remove/ it from my fax list, 1. it has to /be/ on my fax list. 2. I must /have/ a fax list. Neither is true, so logically my answer only can be negative. I have a request for YOU. Please stop spamming SpamBayes at python.org -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be From nduncan at cqmail.net Wed May 17 18:49:51 2006 From: nduncan at cqmail.net (Nigel Duncan) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:49:51 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Probable error in Windows FAQ Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060517181947.01bbed48@cqmail.net> I am prepared to suggest alterations to the Windows FAQ (at least the parts that affect Eudora), but first I want to have it agreed that I have found an important error. Essentially spam can only be RECEIVED mail from the POP server (or IMAP server if you happen to have one). Therefore an SMTP server can have nothing to do with the question. I removed all references to the SMTP server and port in my Eudora.ini file and everything seems to be working fine - but I have added a return receipt to this message to be on the safe side. Apart from this error (and another lesser one) I would try and develop a more user-friendly version as I gain experience (without getting into Outlook or Outlook Express, which I have but don't use) as I am used to writing and translating technical documents with emphasis on clarity for the user. Another point is the preferred file format - as public domain are you allergic to MS Word 2003? It should be easily convertible to html, but Word would be much easier for me to format. I am also sending this message to the developer's list as it is not 100% clear which is the right one for this case. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Nigel Duncan Jerez 4, P4, 4B E-28016 MADRID, Spain Tel: (0034) 91-350-4793 email: nduncan at cqmail.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060517/67428f2d/attachment.html From richie at entrian.com Wed May 17 23:27:24 2006 From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:27:24 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] Probable error in Windows FAQ In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060517181947.01bbed48@cqmail.net> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060517181947.01bbed48@cqmail.net> Message-ID: Hi Nigel, > I am prepared to suggest alterations to the Windows FAQ (at least the > parts that affect Eudora), Thanks! All suggestions for improvements are gratefully received. In the case of the Eudora content, I personally don't use Eudora so I couldn't verify any new content - SpamBayes developers, do any of us use Eudora? > but first I want to have it agreed that I have found an important error. Ah, I'm sorry, but I don't think we can do that: > Essentially spam can only be RECEIVED mail from the POP server (or > IMAP server if you happen to have one). Therefore an SMTP server can > have nothing to do with the question. SpamBayes includes an SMTP proxy that can be used to train SpamBayes. By forwarding email to either a 'ham' address or a 'spam' address, you can train SpamBayes without using the web interface. It's explained in the FAQ, in point 4 of this question: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#is-there-a-high-level-summary-that-shows-how-spambayes-works > Another point is the preferred file format - as public domain are you > allergic to MS Word 2003? It should be easily convertible to html, > but Word would be much easier for me to format. I think most of us could read it using OpenOffice without triggering any nasty reactions. 8-) > I am also sending this message to the developer's list as it is not > 100% clear which is the right one for this case. I think spambayes-dev at python.org was appropriate - though you might want to send any suggestions to spambayes at python.org so that they can be reviewed by non-developer Eudora/SpamBayes users. -- Richie Hindle richie at entrian.com From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed May 17 23:39:54 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:39:54 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] Probable error in Windows FAQ In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060517181947.01bbed48@cqmail.net> Message-ID: <9CD4D8CA-8AC7-4F99-BF04-6501B0FFD7D3@ihug.co.nz> [Nigel] >> I am prepared to suggest alterations to the Windows FAQ (at least the >> parts that affect Eudora), [Richie] > Thanks! All suggestions for improvements are gratefully received. Indeed! > In the > case of the Eudora content, I personally don't use Eudora so I > couldn't > verify any new content - SpamBayes developers, do any of us use > Eudora? I have Eudora (Mac and Windows), and very occasionally test things with it, but that's about it. >> Another point is the preferred file format - as public domain are you >> allergic to MS Word 2003? It should be easily convertible to html, >> but Word would be much easier for me to format. > > I think most of us could read it using OpenOffice without > triggering any > nasty reactions. 8-) True, although plain-text would probably be the simplest format. If any markup is necessary, whoever adds it to the ReST file can add it. If I got something in Word format, the first thing I would do is copy the text out without markup, anyway. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From amedee at amedee.be Wed May 17 23:43:58 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (amedee at amedee.be) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 23:43:58 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] Probable error in Windows FAQ In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060517181947.01bbed48@cqmail.net> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060517181947.01bbed48@cqmail.net> Message-ID: <52376.213.118.146.89.1147902238.squirrel@amedee.be> > Another point is the preferred file format - as public domain are you > allergic to MS Word 2003? It should be easily convertible to html, > but Word would be much easier for me to format. Spambayes is NOT public domain but Python Software Foundation license. The PSF license is certified as an Open Source license. You might have heard about other Open Source software like Linux, which has a different (General Public License) but compatible license. Hint, hint... Why does it always have to be MS Word 2003? That is way too expensive! Spambayes is free of charge, the programming language python is also free of charge, so why not keep the documentation file format also free of charge? If you want something with advanced formatting capabilities, why not use the Open Document Format that is used by many modern advanced software? Like OpenWriter, a part of OpenOffice, which has exactly the same capabilities as MS Word 2003, can read/write MS Word files, and is totally free of charge? And also has a compatible license? -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be From fturtle at gmail.com Thu May 18 00:37:32 2006 From: fturtle at gmail.com (fturtle at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:37:32 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Probable error in Windows FAQ In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060517181947.01bbed48@cqmail.net> Message-ID: <446B433C.9801.1F812B3@fturtle.gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 As an Open Format Proponent, I'd sugest either plain text with a hard break between paragraphs and don't wrap the lines. If you're concered about a readable format, then use a simple html editor and create the file using basic html tags. This completely avoids the entire issue of Word and it's ever increasing file sizes, allows for the inclusion of graphics and can be easilly inserted into a website with minimal effort. HTH: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 - not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBRGulpa5LcfzXROjOEQLP4wCffla7KRaGp2DY/8Th8pT+WfXuGooAoM+q JhfoUkjFmkTC0iTP1Oy1G71l =dss2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu May 18 00:51:58 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:51:58 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Probable error in Windows FAQ In-Reply-To: <446B433C.9801.1F812B3@fturtle.gmail.com> References: <446B433C.9801.1F812B3@fturtle.gmail.com> Message-ID: > As an Open Format Proponent, I'd sugest either plain text with a hard > break between paragraphs and don't wrap the lines. If you're concered > about a readable format, then use a simple html editor and create the > file using basic html tags. This completely avoids the entire issue > of Word and it's ever increasing file sizes, allows for the inclusion > of graphics and can be easilly inserted into a website with minimal > effort. There seems to be some misconception here, I believe. The SpamBayes FAQ is available in HTML. The HTML is automatically generated from ReST (restructured text). What is being discussed is not the format in which the FAQ will be available (there are no plans to change this), but the format in which a patch/addition to the FAQ will be submitted. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From nduncan at cqmail.net Wed May 17 20:41:16 2006 From: nduncan at cqmail.net (Nigel Duncan) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:41:16 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Probable error in Windows FAQ Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060517203634.01a17c40@cqmail.net> I am prepared to suggest alterations to the Windows FAQ (at least the parts that affect Eudora), but first I want to have it agreed that I have found an important error. Essentially spam can only be RECEIVED mail from the POP server (or IMAP server if you happen to have one). Therefore an SMTP server can have nothing to do with the question. I removed all references to the SMTP server and port in my Eudora.ini file and everything seems to be working fine - but I have added a return receipt to this message to be on the safe side. Apart from this error (and another lesser one) I would try and develop a more user-friendly version as I gain experience (without getting into Outlook or Outlook Express, which I have but don't use) as I am used to writing and translating technical documents with emphasis on clarity for the user. Another point is the preferred file format - as public domain are you allergic to MS Word 2003? It should be easily convertible to html, but Word would be much easier for me to format. I am also sending this message to the developer's list as it is not 100% clear which is the right one for this case. PS I spoke too soon. Some messages got through the SpamBayes proxy server. Now neither that nor my original one is recognised. So I think I need some HELP!!!!!, which I?ll have to look for on the mailing list. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Nigel Duncan Jerez 4, P4, 4B E-28016 MADRID, Spain Tel: (0034) 91-350-4793 email: nduncan at cqmail.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060517/adf21c49/attachment.htm From nnawar at rogers.com Thu May 18 13:11:57 2006 From: nnawar at rogers.com (Nadia Ahluwalia) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 07:11:57 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] email Message-ID: <20060518111841.806301E4009@bag.python.org> To all members of spambayes Please do not forward or send any email to nnawar at rogers.com as I do not have or use the program. It just take space in my mailbox. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060518/a11e03f9/attachment.html From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Thu May 18 13:34:18 2006 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 07:34:18 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] No Filterable Mail Selected Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F500695E02D@SPIKE.city> In my experience, that message usually means that I have inadvertently selected a group header (in an Outlook view that groups messages by some criterion). Spambayes allows you to select multiple messages for reclassification, but not by selecting the group header. Bob -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Cindi Leacock Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:54 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] No Filterable Mail Selected Hi, I am working on Windows Microsoft Office 2003. I have SPAM BAYES OutlookBinary Add-In Version (July 2004). When I click on a message to Send to Spam or Recover from Spam I receive the error message: ! No Filterable Mail Items Were Selected. The filter is enabled on the system. I have reconfigured SPAM BAYES and can't get rid of this nuisance. After I click twice and click ok on the error message it sends it to SPAM or recovers it from SPAM. Any ideas? Thanks! ____________________ Cindi Leacock Science Writer Health and Retirement Study Institute for Social Research 426 Thompson St. Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1248 734.615.4697 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From steve.fowler at oregonstate.edu Thu May 18 21:00:06 2006 From: steve.fowler at oregonstate.edu (Fowler, Steve) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:00:06 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Vista/Office 12 - Outlook Message-ID: <0A94D1013AEF334CADA20F835B77ACF6573C28@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> <> So I know I am on the bleeding edge here with Vista and Office 12 Beta. Just thought I would pass this along since I was looking to see if I could get this to run on my test system. This is Vista build 5381 and office 12 beta (12.0.2820.1003). Running on a Dell GX620 with 1GB Ram. The application seems to load successfully, doesn't throw an error, but fails to load. Following your troubleshooting guide I managed to get it to throw and error "The module "D:\Program Files\Spambayes\bin\outlook_addin.edd" was loaded but the call to DLLRegisterServer fails with error code 0x80040201." when I tried the regsrv32 command line suggested in the troubleshooting section. If I try to use the COM Add-in tool in outlook it tells me it isn't a valid Office add-in. Using the outlook_addin_register.exe tool, it executes with no error but it fails to load as well. Don't know where you are in planning for the this environment, but I'd be glad to run any beta versions you have against this environment and provide feedback. Regards, Steve Fowler -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: spambayes1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 390 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060518/29ef2c44/attachment.obj From matwizard at adelphia.net Thu May 18 22:38:40 2006 From: matwizard at adelphia.net (Jim Wright) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:38:40 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Did Not Load into Outlook Express Message-ID: <000a01c67abb$0c53cf50$6502a8c0@D3YYJR61> I have downloaded your program into my computer. Once the installation was complete, I opened outlook express and there was no tool bar for your program. Please help me. Thanks, Jim James I. Wright & Associates 2521 Brynwood St. Santa Ana, CA 92705 714-865-1507 email: matwizard at adelphia.net web site: www.jamesiwright.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060518/88a02e7a/attachment.htm From HelpDesk.LRN at gov.ab.ca Thu May 18 22:43:00 2006 From: HelpDesk.LRN at gov.ab.ca (HelpDesk LRN) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:43:00 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes installation failures Message-ID: Hi; We are experiencing issues with installing Spambayes 1.0.4 on server 2003 installations with Outlook 2003. Once installed, outlook fails to launch and prompts for the removal of the Spambayes plug-in. Removing this allows outlook to start, but Spambayes doesn't work then. Do you have any idea on what we can do to resolve this issue? 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060518/88697b7b/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu May 18 23:20:37 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:20:37 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes installation failures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7806F078-8492-4F5A-83C2-4606C0EA6D3B@ihug.co.nz> > We are experiencing issues with installing Spambayes 1.0.4 on > server 2003 installations with Outlook 2003. Once installed, > outlook fails to launch and prompts for the removal of the > Spambayes plug-in. Removing this allows outlook to start, but > Spambayes doesn?t work then. Do you have any idea on what we can do > to resolve this issue? Perhaps DEP is the problem? See FAQ 5.8: =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu May 18 23:21:19 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:21:19 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Did Not Load into Outlook Express In-Reply-To: <000a01c67abb$0c53cf50$6502a8c0@D3YYJR61> References: <000a01c67abb$0c53cf50$6502a8c0@D3YYJR61> Message-ID: <6A4DEE53-50A1-4422-A6B1-BD7581B9E0ED@ihug.co.nz> > I have downloaded your program into my computer. Once the > installation was complete, I opened outlook express and there was > no tool bar for your program. Please read FAQ 2.1: =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu May 18 23:29:18 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:29:18 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Vista/Office 12 - Outlook In-Reply-To: <0A94D1013AEF334CADA20F835B77ACF6573C28@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> References: <0A94D1013AEF334CADA20F835B77ACF6573C28@NWS-EXCH3.nws.oregonstate.edu> Message-ID: <3A9134D8-95E3-43BF-B183-D464F87288E2@ihug.co.nz> [...] > This is Vista build 5381 and office 12 beta (12.0.2820.1003). [...] > The application seems to load successfully, doesn't throw an error, > but > fails to load. [from log] > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "", line 1, in ? > File "boot_com_servers.py", line 62, in DllRegisterServer > File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 413, in RegisterClasses > File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 181, in RegisterServer > File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 32, in _set_string > pywintypes.error: (5, 'RegSetValue', 'Access is denied.') I think this is trying to set the registry key "CLSID\\{3556EDEE- FC91-4cf2-A0E4-7489747BAB10}". Does Vista's registry still have a CLSID section? Does the user that you were using to do the install have enough rights to write to anywhere in the registry? It would also be interesting to know whether the addin works if you run from source (i.e. install Python & pywin32 and run addin.py). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From Gary at doctorgary.net Fri May 19 20:48:51 2006 From: Gary at doctorgary.net (Gary Smith) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:48:51 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] More spam than ham Message-ID: <446DCCC3.31243.5F65257@Gary.doctorgary.net> A twist for me, Spambayes has been so good at finding HAM that it no longer identifies HAM as unsure or SPAM. I'm still getting spam that sometimes shows as HAM so I train it as such. Now I get this notice: "Warning: you have much more spam than ham - SpamBayes works best with approximately even numbers of ham and spam." How do I deal with this? should I find old emails known to be good and paste the raw header/message info into the "Train on a message" window? Since so much is accurately coming in as HAM but SPAM is eternaly new, how do I best bolster the trained HAM emails ratio? Thanks, Gary From amedee at amedee.be Sat May 20 01:22:02 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (amedee at amedee.be) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 01:22:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] More spam than ham In-Reply-To: <446DCCC3.31243.5F65257@Gary.doctorgary.net> References: <446DCCC3.31243.5F65257@Gary.doctorgary.net> Message-ID: <43822.213.118.146.89.1148080922.squirrel@amedee.be> > A twist for me, > > Spambayes has been so good at finding HAM that it no > longer identifies HAM as unsure or SPAM. I'm still > getting spam that sometimes shows as HAM so I train > it as such. > > Now I get this notice: > > "Warning: you have much more spam than ham - > SpamBayes works best with approximately even > numbers of ham and spam." > > How do I deal with this? should I find old emails known > to be good and paste the raw header/message info > into the "Train on a message" window? > > Since so much is accurately coming in as HAM but > SPAM is eternaly new, how do I best bolster the > trained HAM emails ratio? Gary, I'm just a "dumb" user like you, but in my humble opinion: if you are confident that there are no false positives and you are happy the way Spambayes is working for you: ignore that message. If you really want it to train on additional ham, train it on new ham, not on old ham. Because if you train sb on ham older than a few months, it might start to think that old dates always mean ham, and I have seen spam with forged dates... I could be totally wrong, but that's my "dumb user" impression of spambayes. -- Amedee Van Gasse From phook at homepreviewchannel.com Sat May 20 12:24:13 2006 From: phook at homepreviewchannel.com (Pam Hook ) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 06:24:13 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] troubleshooter didn't help Message-ID: <000801c67bf7$8ab0a9d0$0300a8c0@pcxppro> My Spam Drop folder is growing bigger by the day. If I were to delete all spam messages, would the training I have done still be valid, or do the messages need to remain in that folder for comparison purposes? Thanks, Pam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060520/3bfafd16/attachment.htm From amedee at amedee.be Sat May 20 13:41:40 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (amedee at amedee.be) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 13:41:40 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] troubleshooter didn't help In-Reply-To: <000801c67bf7$8ab0a9d0$0300a8c0@pcxppro> References: <000801c67bf7$8ab0a9d0$0300a8c0@pcxppro> Message-ID: <1865.213.118.146.89.1148125300.squirrel@amedee.be> > My Spam Drop folder is growing bigger by the day. If I were to delete all > spam messages, would the training I have done still be valid, Yes. (I think) > or do the > messages need to remain in that folder for comparison purposes? No. (I think) -- Amedee Van Gasse From fturtle at gmail.com Sat May 20 18:57:48 2006 From: fturtle at gmail.com (fturtle at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 09:57:48 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] More spam than ham In-Reply-To: <446DCCC3.31243.5F65257@Gary.doctorgary.net> Message-ID: <446EE81C.28008.5552296@fturtle.gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If you're confident about the effectiveness of spambayes, then the best thing to do is disable training and use the current settings. Of course you definitely need to double check your unsure and spam folders to recover the ocasional false positive but they should be few & far between at this point. On 19 May 2006 at 13:48, Gary Smith wrote: > A twist for me, > > Spambayes has been so good at finding HAM that it no > longer identifies HAM as unsure or SPAM. I'm still > getting spam that sometimes shows as HAM so I train > it as such. > > Now I get this notice: > > "Warning: you have much more spam than ham - > SpamBayes works best with approximately even > numbers of ham and spam." > > How do I deal with this? should I find old emails known > to be good and paste the raw header/message info > into the "Train on a message" window? > > Since so much is accurately coming in as HAM but > SPAM is eternaly new, how do I best bolster the > trained HAM emails ratio? > > Thanks, > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 - not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBRG9Kia5LcfzXROjOEQJyOACfbZVDlmzrO1I8GCQ/ATjJ/k5j1yUAoP1r jq+osO6MG6lg4o70+rI4VGNS =hdVz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Gary at doctorgary.net Sat May 20 21:50:00 2006 From: Gary at doctorgary.net (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 14:50:00 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] More spam than ham In-Reply-To: <446EE81C.28008.5552296@fturtle.gmail.com> References: <446DCCC3.31243.5F65257@Gary.doctorgary.net> Message-ID: <446F2C98.20813.B54ABA7@Gary.doctorgary.net> Thank you for your reply. I still have a fair amount of spam going to unsure, .ome going to ham and some ham listed as unsure. I have set my Pegasus filters to move unsure into the unsure folder. By doing this, I see a very minimum of spam get through to my "new Mail" folder. I train on the unsure to classify spam as spam yet sometimes ham gets wrongly assigned as unsure or spam. I look forward to those rare misclassifications of ham because they mitigate the ratio of unsure spam & ham listed as spam (which are always retrained). I suppose what I need to know is if there's an imbalance between the spam/ham ratio, does that affect the accuracy of Spambayes? After all is said & done, more spam than ham needs to be corrected and the ratio seems destined to be skewered to the left. Gary > If you're confident about the effectiveness of spambayes, then the best > thing to do is disable training and use the current settings. Of course > you definitely need to double check your unsure and spam folders to > recover the ocasional false positive but they should be few & far > between at this point. > > On 19 May 2006 at 13:48, Gary Smith wrote: > > > A twist for me, > > > > Spambayes has been so good at finding HAM that it no > > longer identifies HAM as unsure or SPAM. I'm still > > getting spam that sometimes shows as HAM so I train > > it as such. > > > > Now I get this notice: > > > > "Warning: you have much more spam than ham - > > SpamBayes works best with approximately even > > numbers of ham and spam." > > > > How do I deal with this? should I find old emails known > > to be good and paste the raw header/message info > > into the "Train on a message" window? > > > > Since so much is accurately coming in as HAM but > > SPAM is eternaly new, how do I best bolster the > > trained HAM emails ratio? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > > SpamBayes at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 8.0.3 - not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com > > iQA/AwUBRG9Kia5LcfzXROjOEQJyOACfbZVDlmzrO1I8GCQ/ATjJ/k5j1yUAoP1r > jq+osO6MG6lg4o70+rI4VGNS > =hdVz > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From robert_spitzbarth at ml.com Mon May 22 16:35:58 2006 From: robert_spitzbarth at ml.com (Spitzbarth, Robert (Corporate Security)) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:35:58 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] ONLINE JOB OFFER... Message-ID: <8F5F3E955D56EB4E9F5FA7D9AE270651145EFB53@mlnyb704mb.amrs.win.ml.com> -----Original Message----- From: MM Group Handling! [mailto:mmgroup_handling2 at everymail.net] Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 7:59 PM To: ) Subject: Request ... MM Group Handling Unit 15 Carlyon Road Industrial Estate Atherstone Warwickshire CV9 1LQ United kingdom Tel: +44-703-190-7869 Fax: +44-870-479-6750 I am Mr. Richard.H Mason President MM Group Handling. We are a trading company that is into the hire,sales and service of Electrical Trucks, Fork Trucks and associated materials handling equipments and diverse range of battery for electric vehicles which can be readily adapted for customers specific requirements to the America and selected locations in Europe. We are searching for individuals or a company who can act as our representative/payment agent in your country and earn 10% of every payment made through you to us. For further details, endeavor to forward the following below: 1. Full Names: 2. Company Name: 3. Full Contact Address: 4. Tel and Fax Numbers: Regards, Richard H Manson President Copyright (c) 2006 MM Group Handing! All rights reserved ************************* Bob Spitzbarth Corporate Security robert_spitzbarth at ml.com (212)236-3736 fax: (212) 236-3746 -------------------------------------------------------- If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender, delete it and do not read, act upon, print, disclose, copy, retain or redistribute it. Click here for important additional terms relating to this e-mail. http://www.ml.com/email_terms/ -------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060522/a8bbe601/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jeffrey C Lovelace, Jr. HSFIS/PROMIS Manager Cleverex Systems, Inc. 1801 Robert Fulton Drive, Suite 500, Reston, VA 20191 1.571.323.3789 (general) 1.571.323.3793 (direct) 1.571.323.3779 (fax) www.cleverex.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060522/49dae988/attachment.html From gcooper at qpcu.org.au Tue May 23 00:11:00 2006 From: gcooper at qpcu.org.au (Geoff Cooper) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:11:00 +1000 Subject: [Spambayes] RE Spam Message-ID: <3DAF0884F22B6E43954EED83F4ACCD0103B19A49@qpcu-svr3.ho.qpcu.org.au> Hi, I use spambytes & it is excellent. My only issue is when I turn on out of the office it appears to answer the spam & when I come back into the office it takes a long time to get rid of the spam. Is there any way of overcoming this or does it only work live?. 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No, SpamBayes does not access any email addresses in Outlook. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From amedee at amedee.be Tue May 23 08:54:38 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (amedee at amedee.be) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:54:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] ONLINE JOB OFFER... In-Reply-To: <8F5F3E955D56EB4E9F5FA7D9AE270651145EFB53@mlnyb704mb.amrs.win.ml.com> References: <8F5F3E955D56EB4E9F5FA7D9AE270651145EFB53@mlnyb704mb.amrs.win.ml.com> Message-ID: <40723.82.146.101.169.1148367278.squirrel@amedee.be> > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the > sender, delete it and do not read, act upon, print, disclose, copy, retain > or redistribute it. Click here for important additional terms relating to > this e-mail. http://www.ml.com/email_terms/ > -------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: by sending an email to ANY of my addresses you are agreeing that: 1. I am by definition, "the intended recipient" 2. All information in the email is mine to do with as I see fit and make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it lends itself to. In particular, I may quote it on usenet. 3. I may take the contents as representing the views of your company. 4. This overrides any disclaimer or statement of confidentiality that may be included on your message -- Amedee Van Gasse From amedee at amedee.be Tue May 23 08:57:11 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (amedee at amedee.be) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:57:11 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] RE Spam In-Reply-To: <3DAF0884F22B6E43954EED83F4ACCD0103B19A49@qpcu-svr3.ho.qpcu.org.au> References: <3DAF0884F22B6E43954EED83F4ACCD0103B19A49@qpcu-svr3.ho.qpcu.org.au> Message-ID: <41054.82.146.101.169.1148367431.squirrel@amedee.be> Hi, Sorry that I don't answer your question, but did you know that your disclaimer is longer than the actual message? You should read this page: http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/fun.html ************************************************************************************************* > This message and any attachments, or any part > of it is intended solely for the named addressee. > > Reading, printing, distribution, storing, commercialising > or acting on this transmission or any information it contains, by anyone > other than the addressee, is prohibited. If you have received this message > in error, please destroy all copies and notify > Qld Police Credit Union Ltd on +61 7 3008 4444 or by replying to the > sender. > > This message may contain legally privileged and > confidential information, and/or copyright material > of QPCU or third parties. > > QPCU is not responsible for any changes made > to a document other than those made by QPCU, > or for the effect of the changes on the document's meaning. > You should only re-transmit, distribute or commercialise > the material if you are authorised to do so. > > Any views expressed in this message are > those of the individual sender. You may not rely on this message as > advice unless subsequently confirmed by fax or letter signed by an Officer > or Director of QPCU, or > an Authorised Representative QPCU. > > QPCU advises that this e-mail and any attached files should be scanned to > detect viruses. QPCU accepts no liability for loss or damage (whether > caused by negligence or not) resulting from the use of any attached files. > > Information regarding Privacy can be found at the QPCU web site. ( > www.qpcu.org.au ) > > General Advice Warning > > Any advice has been prepared without taking into account your particular > objectives, financial situation or needs. For that reason, before acting > on the advice you should consider the appropriateness of the advice having > regard to your own objectives, financial situation and needs. Where the > advice relates to the acquisition, or possible acquisition, of a > particular financial product, you should obtain a Product Disclosure > Statement relating to the product and consider the Product Disclosure > Statement before making any decision about whether to acquire the product. > ************************************************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html -- Amedee From skip at pobox.com Tue May 23 15:20:02 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:20:02 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] RE Spam In-Reply-To: <41054.82.146.101.169.1148367431.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <3DAF0884F22B6E43954EED83F4ACCD0103B19A49@qpcu-svr3.ho.qpcu.org.au> <41054.82.146.101.169.1148367431.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <17523.3074.346875.565820@montanaro.dyndns.org> amedee> Sorry that I don't answer your question, but did you know that your amedee> disclaimer is longer than the actual message? Most such disclaimers are added by the company's intellectual property police as the email message heads out the virtual door, not by the person sending the message. I suspect you probably just shot the messenger. Skip From amedee at amedee.be Tue May 23 16:45:07 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:45:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] RE Spam In-Reply-To: <17523.3074.346875.565820@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <3DAF0884F22B6E43954EED83F4ACCD0103B19A49@qpcu-svr3.ho.qpcu.org.au> <41054.82.146.101.169.1148367431.squirrel@amedee.be> <17523.3074.346875.565820@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <54136.82.146.101.169.1148395507.squirrel@amedee.be> On Tue, May 23, 2006 15:20, skip at pobox.com said: > > amedee> Sorry that I don't answer your question, but did you know that > your > amedee> disclaimer is longer than the actual message? > > Most such disclaimers are added by the company's intellectual property > police as the email message heads out the virtual door, not by the person > sending the message. I suspect you probably just shot the messenger. > > Skip Skip, It was not my intention to shoot the messenger. The url you didn't quote should have made it obvious: http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/fun.html My intention was to give some amusement to the sender, *not* to make fun of him. To get back on the topic of this mailing list: I have noticed that a lot of spam contains disclaimer-ish text. If I train spambayes with "disclaimed" ham, I fear this will "pollute" the sb database. The result might be that any email with a disclaimer-ish text will get a relatively high ham score. At the moment, I don't see a solution for this possible problem. I *could* not train on disclaimed ham, but if most of my correspondents have such boilerplates, training spambayes won't be very efficient. - Amedee -- Disclaimer: By sending an email to ANY of my addresses you are agreeing that: 1. I am by definition, "the intended recipient" 2. All information in the email is mine to do with as I see fit and make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it lends itself to. In particular, I may quote it on usenet. 3. I may take the contents as representing the views of your company. 4. This overrides any disclaimer or statement of confidentiality that may be included on your message. From skip at pobox.com Tue May 23 19:04:16 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:04:16 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] RE Spam In-Reply-To: <54136.82.146.101.169.1148395507.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <3DAF0884F22B6E43954EED83F4ACCD0103B19A49@qpcu-svr3.ho.qpcu.org.au> <41054.82.146.101.169.1148367431.squirrel@amedee.be> <17523.3074.346875.565820@montanaro.dyndns.org> <54136.82.146.101.169.1148395507.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <17523.16528.124629.929702@montanaro.dyndns.org> Amedee> I have noticed that a lot of spam contains disclaimer-ish text. Amedee> If I train spambayes with "disclaimed" ham, I fear this will Amedee> "pollute" the sb database. The result might be that any email Amedee> with a disclaimer-ish text will get a relatively high ham score. Amedee> At the moment, I don't see a solution for this possible problem. Amedee> I *could* not train on disclaimed ham, but if most of my Amedee> correspondents have such boilerplates, training spambayes won't Amedee> be very efficient. That depends. Most common English words (most of the words in disclaimers are probably pretty common) should probably score around 0.5 and thus not be used in ranking messages, e.g.: spamcounts the only which that disclaimer property token,nspam,nham,spam prob the,3591,844,0.5 only,782,267,0.5 which,893,232,0.5 that,2111,424,0.5 disclaimer,2,1,0.352062362221 property,184,50,0.5 After you subtract all the common words, it depends on what's left worth using. The approach SpamBayes uses is purely probabilistic (is "statistical" more accurate?). The score of any given message is based the "preponderance of evidence" contained in the non-trivial tokens the message contains (or which SB synthesizes). Skip From cling at naicapital.com Tue May 23 18:52:27 2006 From: cling at naicapital.com (Cyndi Ling) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:52:27 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: EMMA Email Replies Message-ID: <20060523170552.5F9F41E401D@bag.python.org> Per Hum Lee's request, please see below to our problems with people replying to our broadcast emails. Can you help? Cyndi Ling Assistant to The Economos Group NAI Capital 4650 Von Karman Avenue Newport Beach, CA 92660 (949) 417-3180 Direct (949) 854-6600 Main (949) 854-7378 Fax www.economosgroup.com The Economos Group is the Largest Seller of Office Buildings in Orange County From: Michael N. Mockus [mailto:mike at reactionweb.com] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:29 AM To: Doug McGilvray Subject: Re: EMMA Email Replies Hi Doug, I sent a test message through Emma, from you, to my gmail account, I then replied to it, and got the message below bounced back to me. I was able to forward/reply to the message to other accounts, confirming that it's naicapital.com rejecting the message, not gmail or anyone else. All of the message headers below should be helpful to your email admin. Mike Mockus Managing Partner | Reaction WebR Managed Results For Commercial Real Estate 8174 S. Holly St. #223, Centennial, CO 80122 Phone: 303-841-2335 | Fax: 303-479-9134 www.reactionweb.com | mike at reactionweb.com ======================================= This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: doug at naicapital.com Technical details of permanent failure: PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 12): 554 5.7.1 Message cannot be accepted, content filter rejection Spam ----- Original message ----- Received: by 10.35.111.7 with SMTP id o7mr740055pym; Thu, 18 May 2006 09:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.70.10 with HTTP; Thu, 18 May 2006 09:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: < 2aeac9990605180902n18db356ck71921edb0912d7f6 at mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:02:22 -0600 From: "Michael N. Mockus" To: "Doug McGilvray" Subject: Re: San Bernardino Office Building For Sale In-Reply-To: < 79a3fcbeaac4419dc12cb9bbef48b4eb.5029 at e2ma.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_37436_20668719.1147968142568" References: < 79a3fcbeaac4419dc12cb9bbef48b4eb.5029 at e2ma.net> ------=_Part_37436_20668719.1147968142568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Please reply back if you get this. On 5/18/06, Doug McGilvray wrote: > > If you're having trouble viewing this email, please visit our website ----- Message truncated ----- ======================================= At 09:52 AM 5/18/2006, Doug McGilvray wrote: Hi Mike, When I send out a mass email I do not always receive replies from our clients but occasionally I do. Even when I reply to my own email, I will only receive the reply about 25% of the time. Do you know why this might be? Thanks, Doug Doug McGilvray Associate The Economos Group at NAI Capital 4650 Von Karman Ave Newport Beach, CA 92660 Direct: 949.417.2536 Cell: 949.292.3217 Fax: 949.854.7378 Main: 949.854.6600 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060523/63eed692/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is they who are running the spam filter, which is unlikely to be Spambayes. Mike -- Mike Causer Email - mailto:mikec at mikecauser.com GPG KeyID 1C2DDA07 WWW - http://www.mikecauser.com Flood the fen again! - Wicken Fen enlargement - http://www.wicken.org.uk From skip at pobox.com Tue May 23 19:53:58 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:53:58 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: EMMA Email Replies In-Reply-To: <20060523170552.5F9F41E401D@bag.python.org> References: <20060523170552.5F9F41E401D@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <17523.19510.450938.796648@montanaro.dyndns.org> Cyndi> Per Hum Lee's request, please see below to our problems with Cyndi> people replying to our broadcast emails. Can you help? I'm sorry. What does this have to do with SpamBayes? If you are sending out mass emailings, you should expect a fair number of sites to catch on (using any number of different tools, not just SpamBayes) and start dropping them on the floor or rejecting them. Skip From steve at photograds.com Tue May 23 20:03:23 2006 From: steve at photograds.com (Steve Montgomery) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:03:23 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Troubleshooting Doc Message-ID: <815924F53BC25A469AA664E12F956C3B30E08E@photograds.com> I'm desperately seeking a doc on the following issue: I had the misfortune of having Outlook 2003 go down while spambayes was busy cleaning a folder with 31,000 messages. The toolbar locked up and spambayes stopped working. I have uninstalled Spambayes, Python and the extensions and re-installed. I am unable to get outlook to bring up the "welcome wizard". What is the magical registry entry that gets this all moving again? Same issue as mine...........The link to the doc referenced in this post is "not found" I'm being buried under without my beloved Spambayes. Many thanks. 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To register the addin, you run Outlook2000\addin.py - you're almost certainly better off using the binary rather than running from source, however. I suspect that your actual problem is that Outlook has disabled the plug-in. See Help->About Microsoft Outlook->Disabled Items. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From solcuadrado at wanadoo.es Tue May 23 19:45:16 2006 From: solcuadrado at wanadoo.es (Nick Iredale) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:45:16 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Multiple mailserver set up Message-ID: I'm not sure if this is an email client limitation or a SpamBayes limitation/bug, but I'm unable to set up more than 4 proxies. If I do, the connection to 127.0.0.1 is refused for any more than that. I'm using 110, 111, 112, 313 as the port numbers (the latter to test if higher ones work, one of the mail servers I have listed by name and three by IP address. WinXP Pro, Turnpike email client. AVG, but not set up with specific proxies (so I'm not sure if it's doing it's job in these instances) -- Nick Iredale From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed May 24 02:18:04 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:18:04 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Multiple mailserver set up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I'm not sure if this is an email client limitation or a SpamBayes > limitation/bug, but I'm unable to set up more than 4 proxies. There is no such SpamBayes limitation. > If I do, > the connection to 127.0.0.1 is refused for any more than that. Refused in what way? Do you get a more specific error? Is it always the same port? > I'm using 110, 111, 112, 313 as the port numbers (the latter to > test if > higher ones work, Any unused port is fine. > one of the mail servers I have listed by name and > three by IP address. Assuming your DNS is working, this doesn't matter. > WinXP Pro, Turnpike email client. I've never heard of this client, so have no idea whether it is at fault. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From desh at desh.info Tue May 23 19:51:26 2006 From: desh at desh.info (desh at desh.info) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes help needed: the Outlook toolbar is gone Message-ID: <34077.127.0.0.1.1148406709.squirrel@desh.info> To whom it may concern, I have been using the SpamBayes Outlook plugin for a long time without any problem. Recently, after an unclean shutdown of the computer, SpamBayes stopped working: filtering didn't happen, and the SpamBayes buttons on the Outlook toolbar were there, but didn't function at all. I uninstalled SpamBayes, and per the instructions, deleted the toolbar. I then downloaded the latest Windows installer and installed it. The installation seemed to work, but the SpamBayes toolbar is nowhere to be found, and I am not able to add it via the Outlook toolbar configuration memo. I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling multiple times, without success. Do you have any idea how to fix this problem? The computer is, I believe, running Win XP Home. Outlook is the 2002 version. I'm not sure of the old version of SpamBayes, but the new version is 1.0.4. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance! Josh Rosenberg jrosenbe at alumni.upenn.edu From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed May 24 07:36:40 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:36:40 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes help needed: the Outlook toolbar is gone In-Reply-To: <34077.127.0.0.1.1148406709.squirrel@desh.info> References: <34077.127.0.0.1.1148406709.squirrel@desh.info> Message-ID: <77E9A405-271F-45CE-8198-3269B7185ED6@ihug.co.nz> > Recently, after an unclean shutdown of the computer, SpamBayes > stopped working: filtering didn't happen, and the SpamBayes buttons > on the > Outlook toolbar were there, but didn't function at all. [...] > Do you have any idea how to fix this problem? Outlook has probably disabled the plug-in: Help->About Microsoft Outlook->Disabled Items. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From simon.erskine at electrolley.com.au Wed May 24 08:28:21 2006 From: simon.erskine at electrolley.com.au (Simon Erskine) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:28:21 +0800 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Mail Body in OE Message-ID: <007101c67efb$40d17e00$4500a8c0@fudgepacker> I've had SB installed for several months now and have found it to be excellent. SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.1a1 (April 2005), installed for Outlook Express Two small issues I'd like some feedback on if possible: 1. Every now and then I get a group email where the message body has disappeared. Everyone else on the list can read it apart from me. The mail still contains headers and bodies of previous contributions but not the current one. Further on, someone may forward another contribution and I will see the body of the mail I missed. Certain email addresses seem to trigger this glitch more than others but it's not a certain rule. And I'm yet to see it occur when an email is sent solely to me. I've tried deleting the DB and creating a new one but the problem has recurred. 2. Spams are now getting through using a legitimate-looking email address and subject lines but containing a graphic in the body which contains the spam text. ie I don't think it's searchable? Can SB deal with this? How can I reconfigure to resolve this? Cheers, Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The result might be that any email > Amedee> with a disclaimer-ish text will get a relatively high ham > score. > Amedee> At the moment, I don't see a solution for this possible > problem. > Amedee> I *could* not train on disclaimed ham, but if most of my > Amedee> correspondents have such boilerplates, training spambayes > won't > Amedee> be very efficient. > > That depends. Most common English words (most of the words in disclaimers > are probably pretty common) should probably score around 0.5 and thus not > be > used in ranking messages, e.g.: Interesting. However, English is not my mother language and most of my correspondence is in Dutch. As a consequence, most common English words are quite uncommon for me. The result is that common English words will score a bit above 0.5. Perhaps not much, but enough to be significant after a while. -- Disclaimer: By sending an email to ANY of my addresses you are agreeing that: 1. I am by definition, "the intended recipient" 2. All information in the email is mine to do with as I see fit and make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it lends itself to. In particular, I may quote it on usenet. 3. I may take the contents as representing the views of your company. 4. This overrides any disclaimer or statement of confidentiality that may be included on your message. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed May 24 12:21:19 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:21:19 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Mail Body in OE In-Reply-To: <007101c67efb$40d17e00$4500a8c0@fudgepacker> References: <007101c67efb$40d17e00$4500a8c0@fudgepacker> Message-ID: > SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.1a1 (April 2005), installed for > Outlook Express The 1.1a1 sb_server (POP3 Proxy) should not be used. Use 1.0.4 or (if you really want to be on the cutting edge) 1.1a2. > Two small issues I'd like some feedback on if possible: > > 1. Every now and then I get a group email where the message body > has disappeared. Please send us an example of such a message (using "forward as attachment", so that we get the headers as well). > 2. Spams are now getting through using a legitimate-looking email > address and subject lines but containing a graphic in the body > which contains the spam text. ie I don't think it's searchable? Can > SB deal with this? How can I reconfigure to resolve this? We are carrying out research at the moment into ways that this sort of spam can be dealt with. For now, there is still some information in these messages for SpamBayes to work with, so using a well-trained database is the best you can do. (You could try enabling the use_bigrams option, and you should ensure you are using a good training regime). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Wed May 24 11:33:50 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:33:50 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: Hello,i installed SpamBayes on windows XP (use outlook standard) to test the functionality of the application. I see that the database file is saved in Applicationdata folder on windows. I am intrested to get a look at the db file.Is there a way to open the database ? The other Question ist, i trained the application with a good and bad folder definition . After thhat i put two different email with bad and good content in the bad (Junk) folder and the good folder. Both EMail have the same Sender Adress. After that i'm sending to SpamBayes more Emails with good content from this sender adress. I see that the SpamBayes classified all this email as bad emai(junk..)!! Does it not means that Spambayes only recognized and classified the header of emails (only sender adress and so on) ??? regards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060524/6ae81285/attachment.htm From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed May 24 12:26:35 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:26:35 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] RE Spam In-Reply-To: <39576.82.146.101.169.1148462483.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <3DAF0884F22B6E43954EED83F4ACCD0103B19A49@qpcu-svr3.ho.qpcu.org.au> <41054.82.146.101.169.1148367431.squirrel@amedee.be> <17523.3074.346875.565820@montanaro.dyndns.org> <54136.82.146.101.169.1148395507.squirrel@amedee.be> <17523.16528.124629.929702@montanaro.dyndns.org> <39576.82.146.101.169.1148462483.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <1F98AD02-53E1-42A1-9494-5AC8AD68851B@ihug.co.nz> >>> I have noticed that a lot of spam contains disclaimer-ish text. >>> If I train spambayes with "disclaimed" ham, I fear this will >>> "pollute" the sb database. The result might be that any email >>> with a disclaimer-ish text will get a relatively high ham >>> score. >> >> That depends. Most common English words (most of the words in >> disclaimers >> are probably pretty common) should probably score around 0.5 and >> thus not >> be used in ranking messages, e.g.: > > However, English is not my mother language and most of my > correspondence > is in Dutch. > As a consequence, most common English words are quite uncommon for > me. The > result is that common English words will score a bit above 0.5. > Perhaps > not much, but enough to be significant after a while. Note that they have to be above 0.6 before they are used, and even then only the 150 strongest tokens are used, so in a longer message tokens have to be fairly strong to count. IAC, if you train on both ham and spam with disclaimers, then their score will remain around 0.5, and so they will have no effect. If the only messages you received with disclaimers were spam, then they would be spammy clues, but that would be good (and vice-versa). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed May 24 12:33:27 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:33:27 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] RE Spam In-Reply-To: <3DAF0884F22B6E43954EED83F4ACCD0103B19A49@qpcu-svr3.ho.qpcu.org.au> References: <3DAF0884F22B6E43954EED83F4ACCD0103B19A49@qpcu-svr3.ho.qpcu.org.au> Message-ID: <1B785927-B6A9-4D7A-ADEF-F548FE7BD743@ihug.co.nz> > My only issue is when I turn on out of the office it appears to > answer the spam & when I come back into the office it takes a long > time to get rid of the spam. It really all depends on the "out of office" system you are using. My guess, based on your message, is that you're using the one that Exchange provides, which I believe takes effect before messages even reach Outlook. In that case SpamBayes gets to these too late to stop any auto-reply. You can leave Outlook open (assuming that you aren't taking the machine with you) while the "out of office" system is turned on (at least with the Exchange-based system I have used), and mail is still delivered to Outlook. If you did that, then you wouldn't have a problem 'catching up' when you get back. (For example, a while back when I was away for several weeks, I left Outlook processing email while I was gone. Mail that arrived was dealt with by the "out of office" system, but was also delivered, and SpamBayes filtered out spam. This meant when I logged in to Outlook Web Access to check mail I didn't have to deal with any of the spam, and (since the spam (but not the unsures) was moved to a separate PST file) I didn't exceed the size limit imposed on the Exchange account). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed May 24 12:37:59 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:37:59 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <372A02F6-0B54-498B-92C0-970D1C8D7F1C@ihug.co.nz> > I am intrested to get a look at the db file.Is there a way to open > the database ? The source distribution includes sb_dbexpimp.py, which can convert the database to/from a CSV file. > i trained the application with a good and bad folder definition . > After thhat i put two different email with bad and good content in the > bad (Junk) folder and the good folder. Both EMail have the same > Sender Adress. > After that i'm sending to SpamBayes more Emails with good content > from this sender adress. > I see that the SpamBayes classified all this email as bad emai > (junk..)!! > Does it not means that Spambayes only recognized and classified the > header of emails > (only sender adress and so on) The email address is only one token that SpamBayes considers (SpamBayes does not have any white or blacklisting). If you are unsure why a message received the score it did, please use the "Show Spam Clues for this Message" function and send us the message with clues. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From skip at pobox.com Wed May 24 12:48:41 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 05:48:41 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] RE Spam In-Reply-To: <39576.82.146.101.169.1148462483.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <3DAF0884F22B6E43954EED83F4ACCD0103B19A49@qpcu-svr3.ho.qpcu.org.au> <41054.82.146.101.169.1148367431.squirrel@amedee.be> <17523.3074.346875.565820@montanaro.dyndns.org> <54136.82.146.101.169.1148395507.squirrel@amedee.be> <17523.16528.124629.929702@montanaro.dyndns.org> <39576.82.146.101.169.1148462483.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <17524.14857.198171.889113@montanaro.dyndns.org> Amedee> However, English is not my mother language and most of my Amedee> correspondence is in Dutch. As a consequence, most common Amedee> English words are quite uncommon for me. The result is that Amedee> common English words will score a bit above 0.5. Perhaps not Amedee> much, but enough to be significant after a while. Thanks, I didn't realize that. Do you have an example in your training database you can share with us (both message and word scores) where you think the English disclaimer text has tipped the scales and caused a ham message to later be scored as spam? If you simple train on one or two of those misclassified hams does the problem go away? How skewed is your training database (number of spams vs number of hams)? Have you considered throwing out your current training database and starting fresh? One thing that might help is to further break messages which score as spam into "low" and "high" spam. Based on my current settings that gives me these four categories: ham 0.00-0.14 unsure 0.15-0.59 low spam 0.60-0.74 high spam 0.75-1.00 High spam is tossed without further consideration. Ham is sorted in the appropriate mailbox by procmail. Unsure and low spam messages each wind up in their own mailboxes for further consideration. I train on most unsure messages but only train on lospams which are actually ham. My suspicion is that if you have ham messages which are erroneously winding up as spam they are at the very low end of the spam scale. It might be sufficient to move your spam threshold up a bit so they are more likely to land in the unsure category. Skip From amedee at amedee.be Wed May 24 14:01:52 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:01:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] RE Spam In-Reply-To: <17524.14857.198171.889113@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <3DAF0884F22B6E43954EED83F4ACCD0103B19A49@qpcu-svr3.ho.qpcu.org.au> <41054.82.146.101.169.1148367431.squirrel@amedee.be> <17523.3074.346875.565820@montanaro.dyndns.org> <54136.82.146.101.169.1148395507.squirrel@amedee.be> <17523.16528.124629.929702@montanaro.dyndns.org> <39576.82.146.101.169.1148462483.squirrel@amedee.be> <17524.14857.198171.889113@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <55115.82.146.101.169.1148472112.squirrel@amedee.be> On Wed, May 24, 2006 12:48, skip at pobox.com said: > > Amedee> However, English is not my mother language and most of my > Amedee> correspondence is in Dutch. As a consequence, most common > Amedee> English words are quite uncommon for me. The result is that > Amedee> common English words will score a bit above 0.5. Perhaps not > Amedee> much, but enough to be significant after a while. > > Thanks, I didn't realize that. Do you have an example in your training > database you can share with us (both message and word scores) where you > think the English disclaimer text has tipped the scales and caused a ham > message to later be scored as spam? If you simple train on one or two of > those misclassified hams does the problem go away? How skewed is your > training database (number of spams vs number of hams)? Have you > considered > throwing out your current training database and starting fresh? > > One thing that might help is to further break messages which score as spam > into "low" and "high" spam. Based on my current settings that gives me > these four categories: > > ham 0.00-0.14 > unsure 0.15-0.59 > low spam 0.60-0.74 > high spam 0.75-1.00 > > High spam is tossed without further consideration. Ham is sorted in the > appropriate mailbox by procmail. Unsure and low spam messages each wind > up > in their own mailboxes for further consideration. I train on most unsure > messages but only train on lospams which are actually ham. > > My suspicion is that if you have ham messages which are erroneously > winding > up as spam they are at the very low end of the spam scale. It might be > sufficient to move your spam threshold up a bit so they are more likely to > land in the unsure category. > > Skip Skip, I think you have hit the mark there. I already use something like your lospam/hiham. I have 5 categories: high ham, low ham, unsure, low spam, high spam The high ham/spam respectively go to procmail or /dev/null. And indeed, the misclassified hams all wind up in unsure or low spam. -- Amedee From phook at homepreviewchannel.com Wed May 24 14:33:22 2006 From: phook at homepreviewchannel.com (Pam Hook ) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:33:22 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] deletion of spam Message-ID: <000401c67f2e$432eedd0$0300a8c0@pcxppro> I'm running Windows XP Pro. I have read thru the FAQ's and have not found the answer to my question. I sent you folks an email once before about this question and the only thing I got back was a note asking me to read the FAQ's. My question: My SpamBayes folder is chock full of spam. I would like to permanently delete them, but I'm concerned that if I do, I will need to retrain SpamBayes. Can I delete the spam emails permanently without losing the training files? Pam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060524/05270b25/attachment.htm From jsp at PKC.com Wed May 24 14:58:20 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:58:20 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] deletion of spam Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04839@PKCVT01.pkc.com> The short answer: yes. SpamBayes stores the data it uses to score messages in a database. The caveat: some people hang on to a collection of messages (both spam and ham) for retraining. SpamBayes learns quickly enough that I don't bother with this. If I discard my training and then train on errors (which is what the Outlook plugin encourages), I generally get good results after just a few messages. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Pam Hook Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:33 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] deletion of spam I'm running Windows XP Pro. I have read thru the FAQ's and have not found the answer to my question. I sent you folks an email once before about this question and the only thing I got back was a note asking me to read the FAQ's. My question: My SpamBayes folder is chock full of spam. I would like to permanently delete them, but I'm concerned that if I do, I will need to retrain SpamBayes. Can I delete the spam emails permanently without losing the training files? Pam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060524/980ebfb8/attachment.htm From aldemar.zuluaga at das.wisc.edu Wed May 24 17:27:48 2006 From: aldemar.zuluaga at das.wisc.edu (alz) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:27:48 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] deletion of spam In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04839@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Message-ID: Interesting point! However, how do you train on errors? _____ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Pelton Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:58 AM To: Pam Hook; spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] deletion of spam The short answer: yes. SpamBayes stores the data it uses to score messages in a database. The caveat: some people hang on to a collection of messages (both spam and ham) for retraining. SpamBayes learns quickly enough that I don't bother with this. If I discard my training and then train on errors (which is what the Outlook plugin encourages), I generally get good results after just a few messages. _____ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Pam Hook Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:33 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] deletion of spam I'm running Windows XP Pro. I have read thru the FAQ's and have not found the answer to my question. I sent you folks an email once before about this question and the only thing I got back was a note asking me to read the FAQ's. My question: My SpamBayes folder is chock full of spam. I would like to permanently delete them, but I'm concerned that if I do, I will need to retrain SpamBayes. Can I delete the spam emails permanently without losing the training files? Pam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060524/7311c617/attachment.htm From jsp at PKC.com Wed May 24 19:26:25 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 13:26:25 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] deletion of spam Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D0483B@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Training on errors is the regimen that the Outlook plugin encourages. An "error" is any message that's misclassified: spam that should be ham, ham that should be spam, or anything classified as unsure. When you drag a message from, say, the unsure folder to the spam folder, you're training on an error. Likewise if you select a message and click the "Spam" or "Not Spam" button. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of alz Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:28 AM To: Jesse Pelton; 'Pam Hook'; spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] deletion of spam Interesting point! However, how do you train on errors? ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Pelton Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:58 AM To: Pam Hook; spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] deletion of spam The short answer: yes. SpamBayes stores the data it uses to score messages in a database. The caveat: some people hang on to a collection of messages (both spam and ham) for retraining. SpamBayes learns quickly enough that I don't bother with this. If I discard my training and then train on errors (which is what the Outlook plugin encourages), I generally get good results after just a few messages. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Pam Hook Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:33 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] deletion of spam I'm running Windows XP Pro. I have read thru the FAQ's and have not found the answer to my question. I sent you folks an email once before about this question and the only thing I got back was a note asking me to read the FAQ's. My question: My SpamBayes folder is chock full of spam. I would like to permanently delete them, but I'm concerned that if I do, I will need to retrain SpamBayes. Can I delete the spam emails permanently without losing the training files? Pam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060524/82562a7f/attachment-0001.htm From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Wed May 24 23:07:43 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 23:07:43 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <372A02F6-0B54-498B-92C0-970D1C8D7F1C@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: >The source distribution includes sb_dbexpimp.py, which can convert >the database to/from a CSV file. it sounds like i should change the code and compile it and so one. But i haveno such bis skiles in programming. Is there another way to it? >The email address is only one token that SpamBayes considers >(SpamBayes does not have any white or blacklisting). If you are >unsure why a message received the score it did, please use the "Show >Spam Clues for this Message" function and send us the message with >clues. >=Tony.Meyer Thank for saying this. Here is the Spam Clue of one of this email. This Email had only the subject,Test Mail and noting else in the body (but the email provider add automaticly a advertistment to the end of the email) Combined Score: 7% (0.0708449) Internal ham score (*H*): 0.862527 Internal spam score (*S*): 0.00421644 # ham trained on: 41 # spam trained on: 11 52 Significant Tokens token spamprob #ham #spam 'auf' 0.0238095 9 0 'bei' 0.0348837 6 0 'noch' 0.0348837 6 0 'ein' 0.0505618 4 0 'gruss' 0.0918367 2 0 'allein?' 0.155172 1 0 'aufnehmen' 0.155172 1 0 'beliebteste' 0.155172 1 0 'bye' 0.155172 1 0 'date!' 0.155172 1 0 'kontakt' 0.155172 1 0 'messagegruss' 0.155172 1 0 'schnell' 0.155172 1 0 'singles' 0.155172 1 0 'subject:Test Mail' 0.155172 1 0 'url:114845986687261' 0.155172 1 0 'url:11512' 0.155172 1 0 'url:singles' 0.155172 1 0 'warten' 0.155172 1 0 'url:html' 0.245794 12 1 'url:de' 0.330069 23 3 'to:addr:Nutzer' 0.361314 20 3 'to:addr:yahoo.de' 0.361314 20 3 'header:Message-Id:1' 0.373078 19 3 'reply-to:none' 0.384416 36 6 'from:no real name:2**0' 0.385628 18 3 'url:index' 0.390234 6 1 'sender:none' 0.619716 25 11 'message-id:@www9.emo.freenet-rz.de' 0.631125 2 1 'from:addr:freenet.de' 0.643613 6 3 'from:addr:Teilnehmer' 0.643613 6 3 'url:freenet' 0.643613 6 3 'url:14' 0.680839 5 3 'url:256' 0.680839 5 3 'url:adserver' 0.680839 5 3 'url:chetools' 0.680839 5 3 'url:click' 0.680839 5 3 'url:fn' 0.680839 5 3 'url:image' 0.680839 5 3 'url:kat' 0.680839 5 3 'url:ng' 0.680839 5 3 'url:ppos' 0.680839 5 3 'url:prod' 0.680839 5 3 'url:rgtg' 0.680839 5 3 'url:rub' 0.680839 5 3 'url:site' 0.680839 5 3 'url:tbl' 0.680839 5 3 'url:transactionid' 0.680839 5 3 'url:webmail' 0.680839 5 3 'skip:p 10' 0.692979 8 5 'deutschlands' 0.759291 2 2 'million' 0.831931 1 2 ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed May 24 23:44:46 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:44:46 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7D1452EA-95CF-4D08-A9A0-6AC657740E97@ihug.co.nz> >> The source distribution includes sb_dbexpimp.py, which can convert >> the database to/from a CSV file. > > it sounds like i should change the code and compile it and so one. No, I didn't say anything about changing the code. You simply install Python, download the SpamBayes source, and run a command-line tool. > But i haveno such bis skiles in programming. Is there another > way to it? Not one that doesn't involve downloading Python & using the command line. It seems pretty unlikely that there's anyone that would need to see the raw token counts who is unable to use command-line tools. > Here is the Spam Clue of one of this email. > This Email had only the subject,Test Mail and noting else in the body > (but the email provider add automaticly a advertistment to the end > of the > email) What are you trying to achieve here? Unless you've trained on a lot of spam like this (i.e. "Test" or "Mail" in the subject and a ad-only body), SpamBayes isn't going to classify it as spam. (And, in fact, you have trained a message with the subject "Test Mail" as *ham*!). There are a few spammy clues in the message - particularly the urls, but there are many more ham clues, particularly: > token spamprob #ham #spam > 'auf' 0.0238095 9 0 > 'bei' 0.0348837 6 0 > 'noch' 0.0348837 6 0 > 'ein' 0.0505618 4 0 > 'gruss' 0.0918367 2 0 These have never been seen in spam, and were in the body of the message, so were presumably in the advertisement. If the advertisement doesn't change with each message, that means that you've never trained a message with the advertisement as spam - so SpamBayes is absolutely correct in classifying the message as ham. (As an aside: SpamBayes was created, for the most part, by English speakers. The process should still work in other white-space delimited languages, but there may be a few issues. For example, SpamBayes ignores any tokens that are fewer than 3 characters long - which includes 'worthless' English words like "a", "be", "to", "my", and so on. However, many of these words are longer in German, so perhaps performance would be better with a lower limit of 4 (or maybe too much useful information would be lost then). It would need experimentation to know for sure). > 'allein?' 0.155172 1 0 > 'aufnehmen' 0.155172 1 0 > 'beliebteste' 0.155172 1 0 > 'bye' 0.155172 1 0 > 'date!' 0.155172 1 0 > 'kontakt' 0.155172 1 0 > 'messagegruss' 0.155172 1 0 > 'schnell' 0.155172 1 0 > 'singles' 0.155172 1 0 > 'subject:Test Mail' 0.155172 1 0 > 'url:114845986687261' 0.155172 1 0 > 'url:11512' 0.155172 1 0 > 'url:singles' 0.155172 1 0 > 'warten' 0.155172 1 0 These have all been seen in a single ham message and no spam. They are enough (with the others) to counter the few URL spam clues. Does this make things any more clear? (I'm still not really sure what you are trying to do). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From trevlantin at fairlift.com Thu May 25 09:18:52 2006 From: trevlantin at fairlift.com (Robert Lantin) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:18:52 +0800 Subject: [Spambayes] blank header messages Message-ID: <005001c67fcb$7aa414a0$7101a8c0@mis01> I've been using Spambayes for around a year now. It was working fine until recently when I got emails with blank sender, rcpt., & subject headers. Most of these messages were from mailing lists, it did not appear on any other messages. I have checked the source file of the messages and they contained complete details. So obviously, the alteration occurs on the filtering process of Spambayes. Hope you could look into this one. Thanks! Trev Lantin Systems & Network Admin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060525/aeefbd5f/attachment.html From amedee at amedee.be Thu May 25 16:24:30 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:24:30 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <7D1452EA-95CF-4D08-A9A0-6AC657740E97@ihug.co.nz> References: <7D1452EA-95CF-4D08-A9A0-6AC657740E97@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <37703.213.118.146.89.1148567070.squirrel@amedee.be> On Wed, May 24, 2006 23:44, Tony Meyer said: > (As an aside: SpamBayes was created, for the most part, by English > speakers. The process should still work in other white-space > delimited languages, but there may be a few issues. For example, > SpamBayes ignores any tokens that are fewer than 3 characters long - > which includes 'worthless' English words like "a", "be", "to", "my", > and so on. However, many of these words are longer in German, so > perhaps performance would be better with a lower limit of 4 (or maybe > too much useful information would be lost then). It would need > experimentation to know for sure). This sounds interesting. The word lengths in Dutch are somewhere between those of English and German. Is this a "configurable"? -- Amedee From skip at pobox.com Thu May 25 21:38:24 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:38:24 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <37703.213.118.146.89.1148567070.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <7D1452EA-95CF-4D08-A9A0-6AC657740E97@ihug.co.nz> <37703.213.118.146.89.1148567070.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <17526.1968.645252.78043@montanaro.dyndns.org> Amedee> The word lengths in Dutch are somewhere between those of English Amedee> and German. Is this a "configurable"? Not trivially, but it's not too hard either. Look toward the bottom of spambayes/tokenizer.py where there are a couple comparisons of n to 3. I can't quote you the correct chapter and verse because I'm using a version of tokenizer.py modified in just that region and SourceForge appears to be on-the-blink at the moment. It should be fairly easy to understand. Skip From amedee at amedee.be Thu May 25 21:54:53 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:54:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <17526.1968.645252.78043@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <7D1452EA-95CF-4D08-A9A0-6AC657740E97@ihug.co.nz> <37703.213.118.146.89.1148567070.squirrel@amedee.be> <17526.1968.645252.78043@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1332.213.118.146.89.1148586893.squirrel@amedee.be> On Thu, May 25, 2006 21:38, skip at pobox.com said: > > Amedee> The word lengths in Dutch are somewhere between those of > English > Amedee> and German. Is this a "configurable"? > > Not trivially, but it's not too hard either. Look toward the bottom of > spambayes/tokenizer.py where there are a couple comparisons of n to 3. I > can't quote you the correct chapter and verse because I'm using a version > of > tokenizer.py modified in just that region and SourceForge appears to be > on-the-blink at the moment. It should be fairly easy to understand. > > Skip > > OK, I'll unleash my vi-fu and give it a try. -- Disclaimer: By sending an email to ANY of my addresses you are agreeing that: 1. I am by definition, "the intended recipient" 2. All information in the email is mine to do with as I see fit and make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it lends itself to. In particular, I may quote it on usenet. 3. I may take the contents as representing the views of your company. 4. This overrides any disclaimer or statement of confidentiality that may be included on your message. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri May 26 00:58:17 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:58:17 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1332.213.118.146.89.1148586893.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <7D1452EA-95CF-4D08-A9A0-6AC657740E97@ihug.co.nz> <37703.213.118.146.89.1148567070.squirrel@amedee.be> <17526.1968.645252.78043@montanaro.dyndns.org> <1332.213.118.146.89.1148586893.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: >>> The word lengths in Dutch are somewhere between those of >>> English and German. Is this a "configurable"? >> >> Not trivially, but it's not too hard either. Look toward the >> bottom of >> spambayes/tokenizer.py where there are a couple comparisons of n >> to 3. I >> can't quote you the correct chapter and verse because I'm using a >> version >> of tokenizer.py modified in just that region and SourceForge >> appears to be >> on-the-blink at the moment. It should be fairly easy to understand. > > OK, I'll unleash my vi-fu and give it a try. Please let us know if it does appear to help. It would be trivial to make it an option (the opposite end - skip_max_word_size - already is) if that would be something that helps users for whom English isn't their main email language. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From davidsmith at textransport.com Fri May 26 00:44:51 2006 From: davidsmith at textransport.com (David Smith) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:44:51 +1000 Subject: [Spambayes] Folder accidently deleted Message-ID: <200605252244.k4PMiZQ2002667@mailproxy2.pacific.net.au> Whilst editing "Suspected Junk Mail" I accidently deleted the whole folder rather than 1 email. I am unable to find where this folder has gone. Please advise how I can restore this folder. Thank you. David Smith Tex Transport Pty. Limited Tel: 02 4275 1144 Mob: 0417 003 133 email: davidsmith at textransport.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060526/568df9c7/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 2743 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060526/568df9c7/attachment.jpe From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri May 26 07:58:31 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 17:58:31 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Folder accidently deleted In-Reply-To: <200605252244.k4PMiZQ2002667@mailproxy2.pacific.net.au> References: <200605252244.k4PMiZQ2002667@mailproxy2.pacific.net.au> Message-ID: <9E443039-6A54-4079-B189-1FD3FE36E8EA@ihug.co.nz> > Whilst editing ?Suspected Junk Mail? I accidently deleted the whole > folder rather than 1 email. > > I am unable to find where this folder has gone. The same place as anything else you delete in Outlook - the Deleted Items folder. There's nothing special about the SpamBayes folders. > Please advise how I can restore this folder. See FAQ 3.13: =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Fri May 26 11:30:07 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:30:07 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: After tryin to convert the database with sb_dbexpimp.py tool i get this error: D:\download\windows-download\spambayes-1.1a2\spambayes-1.1a2\scripts>sb_dbex pim.py Traceback (most recent call last): File "D:\download\windows-download\spambayes-1.1a2\spambayes-1.1a2\scripts\sb dbexpimp.py", line 102, in ? import spambayes.storage ImportError: No module named spambayes.storage ??? regards ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From peterb at zeta.org.au Fri May 26 09:05:57 2006 From: peterb at zeta.org.au (Peter Barker) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 17:05:57 +1000 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with KMail and sb_bnfilter Message-ID: <200605261705.58132.peterb@zeta.org.au> Since switching to KMail a few months ago, I have been using SpamAssassin (as this was the default with my Fedora core installation). I had previously used for many months spambayes with procmail, and found it did a much better job of filtering my spam. So I replaced the spamassassin filters with ones using sb_filter.py, and using sb_filter.py -s/-g to retrain incorrectly classified messages. This worked as expected, so I decided to try using sb_bnfilter.py to speed up the processing when I receive multiple messages in quick succession. I simply replaced piping the messsages through sb_filter.py with piping through sb_bnfilter.py. However this always inserted a second From (not From:) immediately below the From header the message had when it was piped to sb_bnfilter.py. The header always had the form "From nobody Fri May 26 17:04:18 2006". This would not seem to be desirable, and sometimes confused KMail. The same thing happened when I applied a test filter manually which piped a message through sb_bnfilter.py. The X-Spambayes-Classification header was added correctly. sb_filter .py never adds this unwanted From header. Is this how sb_bnfilter is supposed to be used, and does this indicate a problem with sb_bnfilter or with KMail? Peter Barker From tdickenson at devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk Fri May 26 15:28:34 2006 From: tdickenson at devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk (Toby Dickenson) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:28:34 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with KMail and sb_bnfilter In-Reply-To: <200605261705.58132.peterb@zeta.org.au> References: <200605261705.58132.peterb@zeta.org.au> Message-ID: <200605261428.35021.tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk> On Friday 26 May 2006 08:05, Peter Barker wrote: > I simply > replaced piping the messsages through sb_filter.py with piping through > sb_bnfilter.py. .... > Is this how sb_bnfilter is supposed to be used Yes > However this always inserted a second From (not From:) Interesting. It looks like sb_filter will preserve any From line, but not insert one if it does not already exist. sb_bnfilter always includes one in its output. I cant see why sb_bnfilter would insert a *second* From line. Or are you counting the "From:" header line as the second? > sometimes confused KMail. What confusion are you seeing? (I have been using sb_bnfilter with kmail since it was first developed without problem) > and does this indicate a problem with sb_bnfilter or with KMail? Try the attached patch to make sb_bnfilter behave the same as sb_filter. -- Toby Dickenson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, the first 2 lines of a message: From brabq at netvigator.com Fri Jul 1 04:06:06 2005 Return-Path: became From brabq at netvigator.com Fri Jul 1 04:06:06 2005 From nobody Sat May 27 08:08:45 2006 Return-Path: after using the original sb_bnserver.py. The From: line remained unchanged further down in the headers. I am not sure that the KMail problem was caused by the extra From line, as I was experimenting with suspend, and the problem occurred after a computer crash. KMail displayed a message with no contents, just the subject, sender etc. I removed the second From line with another editor, and KMail displayed the message properly, after re-indexing the folder. So it may have been an index error caused by the crash. However I don't think it is a good idea to have a second incorrect From line in a message anyway. Regards, Peter Barker On Friday 26 May 2006 23:28, Toby Dickenson wrote: > On Friday 26 May 2006 08:05, Peter Barker wrote: > > I simply > > replaced piping the messsages through sb_filter.py with piping through > > sb_bnfilter.py. > > .... > > > Is this how sb_bnfilter is supposed to be used > > Yes > > > However this always inserted a second From (not From:) > > Interesting. > > It looks like sb_filter will preserve any From line, but not insert one if > it does not already exist. sb_bnfilter always includes one in its output. > > I cant see why sb_bnfilter would insert a *second* From line. Or are you > counting the "From:" header line as the second? > > > sometimes confused KMail. > > What confusion are you seeing? (I have been using sb_bnfilter with kmail > since it was first developed without problem) > > > and does this indicate a problem with sb_bnfilter or with KMail? > > Try the attached patch to make sb_bnfilter behave the same as sb_filter. From aw-confirm at ebay.com Sat May 27 00:26:26 2006 From: aw-confirm at ebay.com (aw-confirm at ebay.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 08:26:26 +1000 Subject: [Spambayes] eBay Unpaid Item Dispute #8910734717 -- response required Message-ID: <13074617496.9816@ebay.com > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060527/39bde3e6/attachment.htm From Danicat32 at aol.com Sun May 28 07:37:37 2006 From: Danicat32 at aol.com (Danicat32 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 01:37:37 EDT Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you for sending us your question for Jennifer. Message-ID: <499.10d31b1.31aa9121@aol.com> I do not have a question for Miss Aniston, but a lot of good things to compliment her on. Friends: Awesome!! Every movie you have been in or will be in I will definitely watch. You are a wonderful actress and I am so sorry your personal life has to be SO public. If you ever need a place to chill out come to Apollo Beach, Florida (756 Flamingo Dr)and have FUN and play golf if you like (live on 16th hole)!. We have a boat we could take you out on to our favorite fishing hole (Sunshine Skyway Bridge). Good luck in all that you do. Danielle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060528/f7314576/attachment.htm From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun May 28 07:57:48 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 17:57:48 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you for sending us your question for Jennifer. In-Reply-To: <499.10d31b1.31aa9121@aol.com> References: <499.10d31b1.31aa9121@aol.com> Message-ID: <1C919828-F7D7-49C3-937F-CEA769AF7E85@ihug.co.nz> On 28/05/2006, at 5:37 PM, Danicat32 at aol.com wrote: > I do not have a question for Miss Aniston, but a lot of good things > to compliment her on. > > Friends: Awesome!! > > Every movie you have been in or will be in I will definitely watch. > > You are a wonderful actress and I am so sorry your personal life > has to be SO public. > > If you ever need a place to chill out come to Apollo Beach, Florida > (756 Flamingo Dr)and have FUN and play golf if you like (live on > 16th hole)!. We have a boat we could take you out on to our > favorite fishing hole (Sunshine Skyway Bridge). > > Good luck in all that you do. > > Danielle This could be the weirdest spam I have seen. What am I meant to buy here? :) =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun May 28 09:05:21 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 19:05:21 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > After tryin to convert the database with sb_dbexpimp.py tool i get > this > error: > D:\download\windows-download\spambayes-1.1a2\spambayes-1.1a2 > \scripts>sb_dbexpim.py > [...] > ImportError: No module named spambayes.storage Python needs to know where to find the spambayes module. The simplest way to do this is to run the script in the main directory (Python looks in the current directory). For example: D:\download\windows-download\spambayes-1.1.a2\spambayes-1.1a2>scripts \sb_dbexpim.py --help =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From rmhowell at bigpond.com Sun May 28 07:48:01 2006 From: rmhowell at bigpond.com (Bob Howell) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 15:48:01 +1000 Subject: [Spambayes] Installing SpamBayes with WXP (fully updated) and Outlook 2003 Message-ID: <20060528054801.HSMJ10328.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@MOCCA06> Hi, I am experiencing difficulties setting up SpamBayes within Outlook 2003. I have looked through all of the site without finding an FAQ or other information to help with problem resolution. Basically, Outlook is set up with the same POP3 and SMTP servers as I used on my old PC when using Outlook Express. Following set up, the 'Test Account settings' in Tools - Accounts showed that all 5 actions completed without error. However, when doing a send/receive, an error occurred with POP3 receiving. I have attached a file showing the errors. Can you suggest anything I should do to overcome this error. Regards, Bob Howell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060528/b860dbda/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de From tim at aterraform.com Sun May 28 19:45:35 2006 From: tim at aterraform.com (Tim Stone) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 12:45:35 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you for sending us your question for Jennifer. In-Reply-To: <1C919828-F7D7-49C3-937F-CEA769AF7E85@ihug.co.nz> References: <499.10d31b1.31aa9121@aol.com> <1C919828-F7D7-49C3-937F-CEA769AF7E85@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <4479E1BF.9000805@aterraform.com> No kidding. I seriously doubt that Jennifer Aniston wants to go to 756 Flamingo Drive to chill out... LOL Tony Meyer wrote: >On 28/05/2006, at 5:37 PM, Danicat32 at aol.com wrote: > > > >>I do not have a question for Miss Aniston, but a lot of good things >>to compliment her on. >> >>Friends: Awesome!! >> >>Every movie you have been in or will be in I will definitely watch. >> >>You are a wonderful actress and I am so sorry your personal life >>has to be SO public. >> >>If you ever need a place to chill out come to Apollo Beach, Florida >>(756 Flamingo Dr)and have FUN and play golf if you like (live on >>16th hole)!. We have a boat we could take you out on to our >>favorite fishing hole (Sunshine Skyway Bridge). >> >>Good luck in all that you do. >> >>Danielle >> >> > >This could be the weirdest spam I have seen. What am I meant to buy >here? :) > >=Tony.Meyer > > > From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun May 28 22:41:57 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 08:41:57 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] convert databaseto csv In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > i'm trying to convert database with sb_dbexpimp.py i get > this error: > > D:\spambayes-1.1a2\scripts>sb_dbexpimp.py -e -p > default_bayes_database.db -f > xyx.db.exporte > [...] > tempbayes = pickle.load(fp) The database probably isn't a pickle. Try: D:\spambayes-1.1a2\scripts>sb_dbexpimp.py -e -d default_bayes_database.db -f xyx.db.exporte =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From mail at ryandalton.com Sun May 28 23:15:40 2006 From: mail at ryandalton.com (Ryan Dalton) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 16:15:40 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Next Spambayes Stable Release??? Message-ID: <005901c6829b$e4f65b10$0400a8c0@ted> When do you expect to release the next stable release of Spambayes? Has development ceased? If not, I'd like to contribute to keep it going. Money that is, not a programmer of any skill. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060528/d1387e67/attachment.htm From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Mon May 29 00:02:18 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 00:02:18 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] convert databaseto csv In-Reply-To: Message-ID: thanks Tony, the command works and i get the database in a very large csv file with lines contents three commas: ................. confirm,3,0 "problems,",1,0 exists,1,0 address,3,1 header:Date:1,39,13 url:account,1,0 x-mailer:ipb php mailer,1,0 folgenden,2,0 entfernt,1,0 viel,3,0 "haben,",2,1 url:03,1,0 ............... For what stand the secound and third comma position, ham and spam? regards -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer at ihug.co.nz] Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. Mai 2006 22:42 An: yahoo.de Cc: spambayes at python.org Betreff: Re: [Spambayes] convert databaseto csv > i'm trying to convert database with sb_dbexpimp.py i get > this error: > > D:\spambayes-1.1a2\scripts>sb_dbexpimp.py -e -p > default_bayes_database.db -f > xyx.db.exporte > [...] > tempbayes = pickle.load(fp) The database probably isn't a pickle. Try: D:\spambayes-1.1a2\scripts>sb_dbexpimp.py -e -d default_bayes_database.db -f xyx.db.exporte =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. ___________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de From bettyamulrooney at alltel.net Mon May 29 01:32:54 2006 From: bettyamulrooney at alltel.net (betty mulrooney) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 19:32:54 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you for sending us your question for Jennifer. Message-ID: <000501c682af$0d7be970$01fea8c0@dell> I really don't have a question. This is the first time I have ever done anything like this and I hope it goes to the right place. I just finished reading Jen's statement on brangelina.........I could just hug her to death. It's about time she said something. And she did it so beautifully. I am so proud of her. I have been divorced so I know how it is and to finally let her opinions out (to the public...I'm sure she has to friends ) is a great step. I absolutely hate seeing them constantly rubbing it in and Jen (thankfully) has hit back and it's great. You watch, now they will say they are married. Got married in some foreign country or something stupid like that. I don't have any use at all for them...never did for her and now he has sunk to her level. They have lied and tried to deceive the public too. Wouldn't touch in public but then went home together !!! How stupid do they think we are? I hope Jen is doing great now...It always takes a while but it will be OK. She is much better off without him. He showed his true character and it is far below Jennifer's. As I said this is not a question and I really don't want it published ...I just want Jen to know that I am glad she finally said something and did it so nicely. All the people I have talked to (and myself) are definitely with her. Proud of Jen, Betty A. Mulrooney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yes (in that order), the number of messages trained on with that token in ham and spam. The very first line in the file (the only one with only two values) is the total number of ham and spam (respectively) trained. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon May 29 04:15:02 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:15:02 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] more information please In-Reply-To: <447ADBC8.6362.9C7895@localhost> References: <447ADBC8.6362.9C7895@localhost> Message-ID: > I don't seem to be able to find any information on the terms you use > to classify email. > > Does the "Discard" option ignore the email or delete the email? When you use the web interface, you are not dealing with the email itself - that is still completely contained within the email client (e.g. Eudora, Outlook Express, Thunderbird) that you use. The web interface shows you cached copies of the email that has been classified so that you can correct any mistakes. The options are: * ham (train this message as ham (good) email - do this for any ham messages that were unsure or any messages that were classified as spam but were actually ham). * spam (train this message as spam (bad) email - do this for any spam messages that were unsure or any messages that were classified as ham but were actually spam). * discard (do not train this message - do this for any messages that were correctly classified). * defer (decide what to do later) Hope this helps! =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From amedee at amedee.be Mon May 29 08:38:25 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 08:38:25 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you for sending us your question for Jennifer. In-Reply-To: <000501c682af$0d7be970$01fea8c0@dell> References: <000501c682af$0d7be970$01fea8c0@dell> Message-ID: <447A96E1.5070605@amedee.be> Tony, I don't read the tabloids or watch E! but perhaps there is yet another DVD box of Friends? (boring) Or Jennifer A. has started her own clothing line? (boooring) Perhaps there is a subliminal message in there? (perhaps interesting) Or... perhaps this is a very clever plot of spammers trying to "poison" our spambayes databases? (not unlikely) Or perhaps we just have to apply Ockham's Razor: don't attribute to malice what can easily be attributed to stupidity or ignorance... Amedee. betty mulrooney wrote: > > I really don't have a question. This is the first time I have ever done > anything like this and I hope it goes to the right place. > I just finished reading Jen's statement on brangelina.........I could > just hug her to death. It's about time she said something. And she did > it so beautifully. I am so proud of her. I have been divorced so I know > how it is and to finally let her opinions out (to the public...I'm sure > she has to friends ) is a great step. I absolutely hate seeing them > constantly rubbing it in and Jen (thankfully) has hit back and it's > great. You watch, now they will say they are married. Got married in > some foreign country or something stupid like that. I don't have any > use at all for them...never did for her and now he has sunk to her > level. They have lied and tried to deceive the public too. Wouldn't > touch in public but then went home together !!! How stupid do they > think we are? > I hope Jen is doing great now...It always takes a while but it will be > OK. She is much better off without him. He showed his true character > and it is far below Jennifer's. > As I said this is not a question and I really don't want it published > ...I just want Jen to know that I am glad she finally said something and > did it so nicely. All the people I have talked to (and myself) are > definitely with her. > > > Proud of Jen, > Betty A. Mulrooney > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From solcuadrado at wanadoo.es Mon May 29 09:12:42 2006 From: solcuadrado at wanadoo.es (Nick Iredale) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 08:12:42 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] more information please In-Reply-To: References: <447ADBC8.6362.9C7895@localhost> Message-ID: In message , Tony Meyer writes >> I don't seem to be able to find any information on the terms you use >> to classify email. >> >> Does the "Discard" option ignore the email or delete the email? > >When you use the web interface, you are not dealing with the email >itself - that is still completely contained within the email client >(e.g. Eudora, Outlook Express, Thunderbird) that you use. > >The web interface shows you cached copies of the email that has been >classified so that you can correct any mistakes. The options are: > > * ham (train this message as ham (good) email - do this for any ham >messages that were unsure or any messages that were classified as >spam but were actually ham). > > * spam (train this message as spam (bad) email - do this for any >spam messages that were unsure or any messages that were classified >as ham but were actually spam). > > * discard (do not train this message - do this for any messages >that were correctly classified). > > * defer (decide what to do later) > Hi, I'm glad someone asked this question! I have been leaving the category as SpamBayes set it for messages it had correctly identified, so presumably have been "re-training" it on ones it already got right. I thought this was the correct way, confirming that SB was right in those instances, or does it mean that a bias of any sort could develop? It would be good if clear instructions similar to the above were included in the interface page below the list of mails processed so it's there for easy reference. -- Nick Iredale From acb at heise.de Mon May 29 15:28:52 2006 From: acb at heise.de (Software-Team) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:28:52 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes Message-ID: English version at the end of this e-mail Sehr geehrter Programmautor, wir betreiben unter http://www.heise.de/software/ ein gut besuchtes Software-Verzeichnis. Einer unserer Besucher hat uns auf Ihr Programm spambayes aufmerksam gemacht. Gerne würden wir Ihr Programm in unser Verzeichnis aufnehmen. Daher möchte ich Sie bitten Ihr Programm unter http://www.heise.de/software/default.shtml?ad=af&v=2388 einzutragen. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Ihr Software-Team *** Dear Program Author, At http://www.heise.de/software/, we keep a popular software archive. One of our visitors has recommended your program spambayes. In order to be able to include your program in our archive, we would like to ask you to provide further details to your program at http://www.heise.de/software/default.shtml?ad=af&v=2388&lang=e Yours, the Software Team From Gary at doctorgary.net Mon May 29 22:16:14 2006 From: Gary at doctorgary.net (Gary Smith) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:16:14 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Messages classified as spam Message-ID: <447B103E.6220.273DD594@Gary.doctorgary.net> nearly 100% of my unsure is spam. When I train, I tick the unsure as spam & click on train. Often I find spam correctly IDed in the classifier but instead of being marked for discard the buttons in the spam column are ticked. I have been reassigning these spam to be discarded when I click on train. It seems that if Spambayes correctly IDed the spam, I should just discard it. Would I be better to train it again as spam or should I continue disposing the spam when I train? Thanks! Gary From Gary at doctorgary.net Mon May 29 22:03:12 2006 From: Gary at doctorgary.net (Gary Smith) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:03:12 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you for sending us your question for Jennifer. In-Reply-To: <000501c682af$0d7be970$01fea8c0@dell> Message-ID: <447B0D30.27090.2731E6B6@Gary.doctorgary.net> It's spam alright. The first one tells Jennifer to go to Apolo beach in Florida but the message was sent from Amsterdam. This message was "from" someone saying the email was from Alltel.net but it was from the same server in Amsterdam. ( server 194.109.24.25 ) I use my old Neotrace program to do a really fast whois & arin search & 95% or better of my spam comes from China and Korea with a smattering of Amsterdam like these. But... I just returned after 5 days of being away from the computer. There were 6 spam waiting for me to see mis-identified as ham and 247 were listed as spam or unsure & I have my spam & unsure going to their own separate folders. Thank God I didn't have to wade through those 247 as they were filtered out before Pegasus showed what's new in the new mail folder! Thanks again Spambayes!!! Gary > > I really don't have a question. This is the first time I have ever done anything like this and I hope it > goes to the right place. > I just finished reading Jen's statement on brangelina.........I could just hug her to death. It's about > time she said something. And she did it so beautifully. I am so proud of her. I have been divorced > so I know how it is and to finally let her opinions out (to the public...I'm sure she has to friends ) is > a great step. I absolutely hate seeing them constantly rubbing it in and Jen (thankfully) has hit > back and it's great. You watch, now they will say they are married. Got married in some foreign > country or something stupid like that. I don't have any use at all for them...never did for her and > now he has sunk to her level. They have lied and tried to deceive the public too. Wouldn't touch in > public but then went home together !!! How stupid do they think we are? > I hope Jen is doing great now...It always takes a while but it will be OK. She is much better off > without him. He showed his true character and it is far below Jennifer's. > As I said this is not a question and I really don't want it published ...I just want Jen to know that I > am glad she finally said something and did it so nicely. All the people I have talked to (and myself) > are definitely with her. > > > Proud of Jen, > Betty A. Mulrooney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060529/8cb0d39c/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. 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If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: WPM$7532_2.PNG Date: 29 May 2006, 15:03 Size: 61497 bytes. Type: Unknown -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: WPM$7532_2.PNG Type: application/octet-stream Size: 61497 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060529/8cb0d39c/attachment-0003.obj From tim.peters at gmail.com Mon May 29 22:48:16 2006 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 16:48:16 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you for sending us your question for Jennifer. In-Reply-To: <447B0D30.27090.2731E6B6@Gary.doctorgary.net> References: <000501c682af$0d7be970$01fea8c0@dell> <447B0D30.27090.2731E6B6@Gary.doctorgary.net> Message-ID: <1f7befae0605291348j547beb52g8f17445ea478468c@mail.gmail.com> [Gary Smith] > It's spam alright. The first one tells Jennifer to go to Apolo beach in Florida > but the message was sent from Amsterdam. > > This message was "from" someone saying the email was from Alltel.net but it > was from the same server in Amsterdam. ( server 194.109.24.25 ) All addresses in 194.109.24.0 - 194.109.24.255 are assigned to XS4ALL in the Netherlands. The machines that run the SpamBayes mailing lists are hosted at XS4ALL (they contribute this service to python.org), so _all_ email you get from a SpamBayes list is actually sent from the Netherlands (by an XS4ALL machine). > I use my old Neotrace program to do a really fast whois & arin search & 95% > or better of my spam comes from China and Korea with a smattering of Amsterdam > like these. So I bet most of the latter come from this mailing list. > ... > Thanks again Spambayes!!! You're welcome -- and we hope you continue to enjoy the spam on this list too :-) From SEIPP1 at aol.com Mon May 29 23:00:36 2006 From: SEIPP1 at aol.com (SEIPP1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:00:36 EDT Subject: [Spambayes] retrieving a deleted spam e-mail Message-ID: <481.1547cc6.31acbaf4@aol.com> I deleted an important email by mistake from my spam folder, can I get it back? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060529/c7222a40/attachment.htm From jsp at PKC.com Tue May 30 15:22:48 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 09:22:48 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you for sending us your question for Jennifer. Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D0484D@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Just for the record, that's Hanlon's Razor (arguably a specific application of Occam's Razor to human relations, though some see it as a corollary of Finagle's Law). Compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_Razor and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor. See also http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?AssumeStupidityNotMalice, which points out that the ignorant or stupid one is not necessarily the other guy. And, of course, we've all seen plenty of evidence for the validity of Crabtree's Bludgeon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crabtree's_Bludgeon). -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Amedee Van Gasse Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 2:38 AM To: betty mulrooney Cc: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Thank you for sending us your question for Jennifer. Or perhaps we just have to apply Ockham's Razor: don't attribute to malice what can easily be attributed to stupidity or ignorance... From peruvian00 at hotmail.com Tue May 30 20:00:19 2006 From: peruvian00 at hotmail.com (Ricardo Cabesa) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:00:19 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: I use Outlook "Express". Will SpamBayes work for me? Also, my "Hotmail account" is funneled into "Outlook". Will this program stop spam from "Hotmail"? Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060530/847c2502/attachment.htm From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed May 31 00:43:01 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:43:01 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0364B582-5CF5-4A49-A0E8-530F97A33B04@ihug.co.nz> > I use Outlook "Express". Will SpamBayes work for me? See FAQ 2.1: > Also, my "Hotmail account" is funneled into "Outlook". Will this > program stop spam from "Hotmail"? If you mean Outlook, then yes. If you mean Outlook Express, then it depends how you are retrieving the Hotmail mail. If you are doing it via POP3 (e.g. with one of the utilities that provides access to Hotmail via POP3) then yes. If you are doing it through HTTP, then no. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From hans at mabelis.nl Wed May 31 11:43:57 2006 From: hans at mabelis.nl (Hans Mabelis) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:43:57 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Direct access to database Message-ID: Hi, I'm a new user of Spambayes. As a linguist, I find it very exciting. The interface of the pop-server version actually shows me the "spamminess" of each word I ask for; wow! However - being thus enticed, I want more. I would like to directly see the spambayes database; for instance to see a listing of words; to pick out the most spammy as well as the most hammy terms, etc. Is there a way to do that? Is there, for instance, an odbc driver available somewhere? Or is it even possible to use a different database system? Or did I miss something and can it even be done with the spambayes program itself? Hans