From tim.one at comcast.net Thu Jan 1 00:07:46 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Thu Jan 1 00:07:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Should Spambayes filter automatically? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A24@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: [Bruce Johnson] >> SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox >> SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Spam >> Processing missed spam in folder 'Inbox' by starting a timer [Tony Meyer] > This looks like everything is setup right. It certainly makes sense to watch Inbox for spam. It's not clear whether it makes sense to watch the Spam folder for spam -- if "Spam" is the name of the folder SpamBayes *moves* spam into, then it doesn't make sense to watch that too. In general, the only folders that make sense to watch for new messages are those into which incoming email is delivered, either directly (like Inbox), or indirectly via an Outlook rule moving a message from a direct-delivery folder. From tim.one at comcast.net Thu Jan 1 00:40:54 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Thu Jan 1 00:41:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Outlook plugin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Coe, Bob] > I think you've gotten too cute for your clientele. Spambayes setup is > already confusing enough without the arbitrary enforcement of the > developers' undocumented notions of best practice. If you think > training on the "sent" folder is a bad idea, say so in the > installation instructions; but don't incorporate another unexpected > restriction. Except it's not arbitrary. Highlight a message in your Sent Items folder and try to get the spam clues. You should be rewarded with an error box saying that no filterable mail items are selected. That's not an arbitrary decision on our part, it's that *Outlook* doesn't create enough MAPI properties for items *it* puts in Sent Items to allow us to score one of those beasts. One way or another, that quirk of Outlook is going to get reflected in what we can do; the "unexpected restriction" is due to Outlook's special-case treatment of Sent Items. That said, we'd be more consistent if we also hid (e.g.) Contacts and Journal, and for the same reason: right or wrong, the way Outlook treats these special predefined folders, they don't contain any filterable items either (at least not when used as Outlook uses them). From 604eyeasc at aol.com Thu Jan 1 09:55:05 2004 From: 604eyeasc at aol.com (Reed Noble) Date: Thu Jan 1 10:54:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] my quest to let you meet the famous lady of the 21th century.adults only! 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I'm using it with great success but there is one question I could not find answer for. The option were the spambayes learn to differentiate ok mail from spam mail. One chooses the folder where the spam is and where the ok mail is. Then one can start the learning process. What I would like to know is this; Can I remove/delete the spam from the spam directories after learning? Or do the spam has to stay there for ever? Sincerely Kajetan PS; Please do not post my question. From Matthias at Seifert-Duisburg.de Thu Jan 1 11:09:17 2004 From: Matthias at Seifert-Duisburg.de (Matthias Seifert) Date: Thu Jan 1 11:09:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and ZOE Message-ID: <3FF4462D.8060407@Seifert-Duisburg.de> Did somebody succeed in integrating spambayes and zoe? Is there a step-by-step explanation how to? Matthias From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com Thu Jan 1 11:24:26 2004 From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone) Date: Thu Jan 1 11:24:33 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Learning process spambayes In-Reply-To: <20040101155637.6122F79FC3@mail.broadpark.no> References: <20040101155637.6122F79FC3@mail.broadpark.no> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 16:59:48 +0100, Kajetan Beler wrote: > > Hi, > > Thanks for a great plug-in for fighting the spam. I'm using it > with great success but there is one question I could not find answer > for. The option were the spambayes learn to differentiate ok mail from > spam mail. One chooses the folder where the spam is and where the ok > mail is. Then one can start the learning process. > What I would like to know is this; Can I remove/delete the spam from > the > spam directories after learning? Or do the spam has to stay there for > ever? It's up to you. You may certainly delete it, with no ill effects. However, if you ever need to retrain your database, for example, if your system crashes and manages to corrupt your database, then you'll need spam to train it with. If you've deleted all your spam, you'll have to start over with new spam as it arrives, and the filter will take a while to get back to optimal results. Other than that contingency, there is no reason to keep any spam around. > > Sincerely > > Kajetan > > PS; Please do not post my question. You sent it to the list. Posting was unavoidable. -- Vous exprimer; Expr?sese; Te stesso esprimere; Express yourself! Tim Stone See my photography at www.fourstonesExpressions.com See my writing at www.xanga.com/obj3kshun From tim.one at comcast.net Thu Jan 1 11:41:47 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Thu Jan 1 11:41:48 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Learning process spambayes In-Reply-To: <20040101155637.6122F79FC3@mail.broadpark.no> Message-ID: [Kajetan Beler] > Thanks for a great plug-in for fighting the spam. I'm using it > with great success but there is one question I could not find > answer for. The option were the spambayes learn to differentiate > ok mail from spam mail. One chooses the folder where the spam is > and where the ok mail is. Then one can start the learning process. > What I would like to know is this; Can I remove/delete the spam > from the spam directories after learning? Or do the spam has to > stay there for ever? There's a brief discussion of this in the FAQ: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html See question: 4.6 Do I need to keep spam after it has been trained? If so, for how long? You don't have to keep it at all after training, but you may want to in case you need to retrain. For example, I keep all my training spam, and copies of all my training ham, in a distinct .pst file, dedicated to holding training data. > PS; Please do not post my question. Sorry, you already did: all the spambayes mailing lists are public, and publicly archived. I'd like to know how you got the spambayes@python.org mailing address, and what made you assume it was a private email address. I think http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/contact.html makes clear that these are mailing list addresses, although it may not be clear enough that they're wholly public (you're not the first person to be surprised about this, but you seem to be one of the first ). From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com Thu Jan 1 11:48:21 2004 From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone) Date: Thu Jan 1 11:48:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and ZOE In-Reply-To: <3FF4462D.8060407@Seifert-Duisburg.de> References: <3FF4462D.8060407@Seifert-Duisburg.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 17:09:17 +0100, Matthias Seifert wrote: > Did somebody succeed in integrating spambayes and zoe? Is there a > step-by-step explanation how to? Richie Hindle has done some extensive research, and reported yesterday that he doesn't believe there's any good reason to do it, and some good reasons not to. See his post yesterday titled "Strange performance dip and DBRunRecoveryError retreat" -- Vous exprimer; Expr?sese; Te stesso esprimere; Express yourself! Tim Stone See my photography at www.fourstonesExpressions.com See my writing at www.xanga.com/obj3kshun From richie at entrian.com Thu Jan 1 12:01:56 2004 From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle) Date: Thu Jan 1 12:02:06 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and ZOE In-Reply-To: <3FF4462D.8060407@Seifert-Duisburg.de> References: <3FF4462D.8060407@Seifert-Duisburg.de> Message-ID: <02j8vv09t6gjva94h6rd4snn1hlc8lsfe4@4ax.com> [Matthias] > Did somebody succeed in integrating spambayes and zoe? Is there a > step-by-step explanation how to? Not that I've heard of, but as I understand it Zoe is a POP3 client (or possibly proxy, but that makes no difference), so you should be able to configure the SpamBayes POP3 proxy to talk to your real email server and Zoe to talk to the POP3 proxy. Follow the instructions in the README: http://tinyurl.com/3bfvk and substitute "Zoe" for "email client". 8-) If Zoe is itself a proxy, just make sure you use different port numbers for Zoe and SpamBayes. Incidentally, SpamBayes already does 90% of what Zoe does: o Implements a POP3 / SMTP proxy to capture your email o Tokenises the messages and stores the results in a database o Stores a cache of messages behind the scenes o Has a web-based user interface o Has an XML-RPC interface to some of its functionality We're only a hop, a skip and an indexing engine (probably Lupy, http://www.divmod.org/Lupy/) away from having implemented Zoe by accident. OT: Blimey, TinyURL has gone to five characters. They must have exceeded 1.7 million URLs! -- Richie Hindle richie@entrian.com From tim.one at comcast.net Thu Jan 1 12:10:11 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Thu Jan 1 12:10:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and ZOE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Matthias Seifert] >> Did somebody succeed in integrating spambayes and zoe? Is there a >> step-by-step explanation how to? [Tim Stone] > Richie Hindle has done some extensive research, and reported yesterday > that he doesn't believe there's any good reason to do it, and some > good reasons not to. See his post yesterday titled "Strange > performance dip and DBRunRecoveryError retreat" It's rarely clear what a poster intends by a three-letter word , but I'm pretty sure Matthias wasn't asking about ZODB or ZEO integration. Best guess is that he's asking about ZO?: http://zoe.nu/ Googling on the combination of that and spambayes turns up a surprising number of hits, but at least the English ones didn't mention an actual integration. From Matthias at Seifert-Duisburg.de Thu Jan 1 12:18:08 2004 From: Matthias at Seifert-Duisburg.de (Matthias Seifert) Date: Thu Jan 1 12:18:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and ZOE Message-ID: <3FF45650.6040206@Seifert-Duisburg.de> right! I was talking about ZO?. Matthias From Matthias at Seifert-Duisburg.de Thu Jan 1 12:28:45 2004 From: Matthias at Seifert-Duisburg.de (Matthias Seifert) Date: Thu Jan 1 12:28:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and ZOE&In-Reply-To=3FF4462D.8060407@Seifert-Duisburg.de Message-ID: <3FF458CD.4050409@Seifert-Duisburg.de> [Matthias] >/ Did somebody succeed in integrating spambayes and zoe? Is there a />/ step-by-step explanation how to? / [Richie Hindle] />Not that I've heard of, but as I understand it Zoe is a POP3 client (or >possibly proxy, but that makes no difference), so you should be able to >configure the SpamBayes POP3 proxy to talk to your real email server and >Zoe to talk to the POP3 proxy. Follow the instructions in the README: > http://tinyurl.com/3bfvk / I'm sure the document will help me. It's written easy enough... />Incidentally, SpamBayes already does 90% of what Zoe does: > o Implements a POP3 / SMTP proxy to capture your email > o Tokenises the messages and stores the results in a database > o Stores a cache of messages behind the scenes > o Has a web-based user interface > o Has an XML-RPC interface to some of its functionality / Well, I din't realize this, because I used the spamBayes plugin (outlook). But I like the interface of ZO? very much. So I'll try. Tnx up to here! Matthias From thenurm at comcast.net Thu Jan 1 14:09:48 2004 From: thenurm at comcast.net (Doug Nurmi) Date: Thu Jan 1 14:08:01 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] POP3 Proxy Questions Message-ID: Hello again, Well, I am still stuck in the POP3 Proxy quandary. Running -WIN2K Pro, Outlook 2000, on a 1.7GHz P4 What I have done Installed Python 2.3 in its own directory c:\Program Files..... Installed Win32 extensions in Python directory I believe Installed SpamBayes 1.07 ZIP file in its own directory I have run the Spam Bayes - Python setup.py and Spam Bayes installed I have run pop3proxy_service.py install When I attempt to start the service either from Admin. Tools/services or from a command line (net start pop3proxy), I get SERVICE ERROR 1, and it will not go. Now I have a bit of a half baked installation of SpamBayes. I had the proxy service running the other day, but I could not seem to get Outlook to communicate through it. Now I cannot even get the Proxy service to run What I would like to have happen is that SpamBayes operates as an Outlook add-in, utilizes the Proxy server to do its thing and carry on basically transparent to me. Is this possible? Where have I gone astray? Do I need to install something in another directory or what? Thanks for your help. Doug Doug Nurmi 972-540-6131 thenurm@comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2188 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040101/df0610bc/winmail.bin From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com Thu Jan 1 14:32:08 2004 From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone) Date: Thu Jan 1 14:32:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and ZOE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 12:10:11 -0500, Tim Peters wrote: > I'm pretty sure Matthias wasn't asking about ZODB or ZEO integration. > Best > guess is that he's asking about ZO?: > > http://zoe.nu/ Oops... -- Vous exprimer; Expr?sese; Te stesso esprimere; Express yourself! Tim Stone See my photography at www.fourstonesExpressions.com See my writing at www.xanga.com/obj3kshun From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Thu Jan 1 14:46:24 2004 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Thu Jan 1 14:46:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Outlook plugin Message-ID: I don't know what to say. My response that you quote below was to Tony Meyer's completely different explanation of Spambayes's behavior in the situation under discussion. Tony stated (pretty unequivocally, I thought) that the behavior was deliberate, and he didn't mention accommodating any quirks of Outlook. Maybe I'm in over my head. I withdraw my previous comments. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Peters [mailto:tim.one@comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 12:41 AM > To: Coe, Bob; spambayes@Python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] RE: Outlook plugin > > > [Coe, Bob] > > I think you've gotten too cute for your clientele. Spambayes setup is > > already confusing enough without the arbitrary enforcement of the > > developers' undocumented notions of best practice. If you think > > training on the "sent" folder is a bad idea, say so in the > > installation instructions; but don't incorporate another unexpected > > restriction. > > Except it's not arbitrary. Highlight a message in your Sent Items folder > and try to get the spam clues. You should be rewarded with an error box > saying that no filterable mail items are selected. That's not an arbitrary > decision on our part, it's that *Outlook* doesn't create enough MAPI > properties for items *it* puts in Sent Items to allow us to score one of > those beasts. One way or another, that quirk of Outlook is going to get > reflected in what we can do; the "unexpected restriction" is due to > Outlook's special-case treatment of Sent Items. > > That said, we'd be more consistent if we also hid (e.g.) Contacts and > Journal, and for the same reason: right or wrong, the way Outlook treats > these special predefined folders, they don't contain any filterable items > either (at least not when used as Outlook uses them). From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jan 1 18:47:35 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jan 1 18:47:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Should Spambayes filter automatically? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499C31F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777CA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [Bruce Johnson] >> SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox >> SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Spam >> Processing missed spam in folder 'Inbox' by starting a timer [Tony Meyer] > This looks like everything is setup right. [Tim Peters] > It certainly makes sense to watch Inbox for spam. It's not > clear whether it makes sense to watch the Spam folder for spam > -- if "Spam" is the name of the folder SpamBayes *moves* spam > into, then it doesn't make sense to watch that too. Opps. Sorry Bruce, and thanks Tim. I was too busy looking for an error message and not busy enough reading the actual log. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jan 1 18:58:50 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jan 1 18:59:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] POP3 Proxy Questions In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499C41D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A26@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > When I attempt to start the service either from Admin. > Tools/services or from a command line (net start pop3proxy), > I get SERVICE ERROR 1, and it will not go. If you run from a command line "pop3proxy_service.py debug", then it will output any error messages to the console window. These would probably have clues about what's going wrong. I think (but am not sure) that running the service from source redirects output to the SpambayesServiceN.log files in your temp directory ('c:\documents and settings\[username]\local settings\temp', most likely). Either should get you the error text. > Now I have a bit of a half baked installation of SpamBayes. Does using sb_server.py (i.e. running without the service) work? What about pop3proxy_tray.py? (which figures out whether to use the service or sb_server, although probably not cleverly enough to use sb_server if the service gives an error). > I had the proxy service running the other day, > but I could not seem to get Outlook to communicate > through it. Now I cannot even get the Proxy service to run If you let us know what the error output is, we can probably figure it out; however: > What I would like to have happen is that SpamBayes > operates as an Outlook add-in, utilizes the Proxy server > to do its thing and carry on basically transparent to me. > Is this possible? Where have I gone astray? Do I need > to install something in another directory or what? Is there a reason that you're wanting to use the service? From the description of what you want, it really seems that you want the Outlook plug-in (and it would be odd for anyone using Outlook 2000 to prefer the service over the plug-in). It doesn't utilise the proxy server, but do you really need it to? I'm pretty sure that what you want to do is forget about all the stuff you've done so far, download the installer for the Outlook plug-in, run the installer, open Outlook, go through the configuration wizard that it presents you, and you're done. (If you want to run the plug-in from source, then what you want to do is run the script "addin.py" which is in the Outlook 2000 directory). Sorry if this is a confusing answer, but I'm a bit confused about what you want to do! =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jan 1 19:02:05 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jan 1 19:02:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Why doesn't it filter automatically every time Ireceive mail? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499C2BD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777CC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I love your product, but I would like for it to always > filter mail as it is received, and I don't see any > option for that. Am I missing something? If you open up the SpamBayes Manager dialog (first item on the drop-down menu from the "SpamBayes" button on the SpamBayes toolbar) and go to the "Filtering" tab, you can set this up. Just choose the action you wish to take for unsure/spam mail, choose the appropriate folders and it's done. It's probably also a good idea to then check the "General" tab - there's a status panel that will tell you if there's anything else you need to do before filtering can take place (e.g. train more, click "enable", and so on). =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jan 1 19:15:10 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jan 1 19:15:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] imap4 filter In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499C29B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A27@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I ran the training again and got exactly the same set of > messages from the traceback; although as you predicted the > memory error occurred relatively quickly (within 1 minute > of the start). I have no idea at which point its dying. I suspect that it is one message that it's choking on, then. If you like, I can try and track this down with you to verify that it is. If it is the case, then I think the best behaviour would be for imapfilter to check for the MemoryError at that point and if it occurs to print out a warning and carry on (skipping that message). If you do want to do this, the first step is to run imapfilter with the "-i4" switch. This will result in it printing out *lots* of information (basically all the commands to and from the IMAP server. I'm interested in the one just before the crash, which should be some sort of FETCH. That will identify the message that is causing the problem. If you then run it again, it should be the same message id the next time before the crash. Verifying that it's the same message would be enough, but if you wanted, we could also then check the reason (I suspect it's a *huge* message, perhaps one with lots of attachments). > But I was training it on an inbox of about 1700 (ham) > messages and a spam folder with about 250 messages. As an aside - SpamBayes performs *much* better with roughly equal numbers of ham and spam. If you pick a selection of about 250 ham messages to go with all the spam you should get good results (and conveniently avoid the training problem ). > Interestingly the size of the "hammie.db" file decreased > after this last running from over 400 kb to about 336 kb. That does sound somewhat strange, but the intricacies of the underlying database are beyond me :) =Tony Meyer From tim.one at comcast.net Thu Jan 1 20:42:11 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Thu Jan 1 20:42:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Outlook plugin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Bob Coe] > I don't know what to say. My response that you quote below was to > Tony Meyer's completely different explanation of Spambayes's > behavior in the situation under discussion. Tony stated (pretty > unequivocally, I thought) that the behavior was deliberate, and he > didn't mention accommodating any quirks of Outlook. Well, it *was* deliberate. My response was more opposed to the re-characterization of "deliberate" as "arbitrary". As I said, it *is* arbitrary (or so it seems to me) that we don't also hide Contacts and Journal from view. I suppose that was never done just because, so far, nobody has gotten themself into trouble by trying to (for example) move their spam to Contacts, or by trying to filter Journal entries. You can try to do a lot of senseless stuff in Outlook, and I don't object to trying to hide goofy combinations in the UI. > Maybe I'm in over my head. I withdraw my previous comments. If the world were a little different, and Outlook *did* attach all the MAPI properties spambayes needs to Sent Items items, I expect we'd still hide Sent Items, under a "prevent people from doing themselves harm" theory. But that's just my view. The developers here don't agree about everything, and that's fine. I trust Mark to do reasonable things (even when he doesn't have time to explain his reasoning to everyone's satisfication). From ta-meyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jan 1 23:20:37 2004 From: ta-meyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jan 1 23:20:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Why doesn't it filter automatically every time Ireceive mail? Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777D1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Well, then I would like to report a bug. I am using Windows > XP home, and Office XP. I have set the filters correctly, > and I have over 2000 spam messages in my spam folder, and > many more non-spam messages in my other folders. For some > reason Spambayes won't filter messages unless I tell it to > using the drop down menu. Any help you can offer would be great! If you could send us your log file, that would greatly help in figuring out the problem. The Diagnostics button on the Advanced tab will find the log for you. =Tony Meyer From miguel at vargas.com Fri Jan 2 04:40:05 2004 From: miguel at vargas.com (Miguel Vargas) Date: Fri Jan 2 04:40:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] fcntl not available on Windows Message-ID: <3FF53C75.4020606@vargas.com> I'm trying to get the command line stuff to work in Windows. When I try to run sb_mboxtrain.py it fails when it imports fcntl. Looking through my Python lib directory fcntl.py doesn't exist although FCNTL.py does. According to the Python docs, fcntl is Unix only. From Rtssrq at cs.com Fri Jan 2 05:49:32 2004 From: Rtssrq at cs.com (Rtssrq@cs.com) Date: Fri Jan 2 05:49:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] emptying Message-ID: <186.23ae91d1.2d26a6bc@cs.com> is there a command that empties the junk folder? mine is now holding several thousand items after less than a month! 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Would anyone have some advice to find the problem ? -- Carlos G Mendioroz LW7 EQI Argentina From tron at huapi.ba.ar Fri Jan 2 07:46:19 2004 From: tron at huapi.ba.ar (Carlos G Mendioroz) Date: Fri Jan 2 07:46:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: New install, sb_filter.py -n seg faults In-Reply-To: <3FF5601C.3000402@huapi.ba.ar> References: <3FF5601C.3000402@huapi.ba.ar> Message-ID: <3FF5681B.4080609@huapi.ba.ar> I've found this to be Python related (bsddb problem). Sorry for the noise... Carlos G Mendioroz wrote: > Hi, > I've just installed 1.0a7, after installing new Python 2.3.3 > on a RH7.3 box. > > When running "sb_filter.py -d hammie.db -n" or "sb_filter.py -n" > I get a Segmentation fault". > > Would anyone have some advice to find the problem ? > -- Carlos G Mendioroz LW7 EQI Argentina From thenurm at comcast.net Fri Jan 2 07:57:33 2004 From: thenurm at comcast.net (Doug Nurmi) Date: Fri Jan 2 07:55:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] POP3 Proxy Questions In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A26@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Tony, I appreciate the help. How I got into this mess was that I originally started with the plug-in. It did not appear to want to train itself. For whatever reason, when got to my Spam samples to learn from, it would just sit there and think forever. Seemed to be a learning disability or something. This led to scouring the Spam Bayes documentation and miscellaneous approaches to installation. I latched upon the POP3 server as a potential issue and have been screwing around with it ever since. At this moment, I have it installed on Outlook in probably some perverted installation, but it does appear to be working. So at this moment, I will keep an eye on it and see how it goes. Wit a little luck, it is a happy camper and I shall be cruising along. Thanks again. I will let you know if I still find myself in a muddle. Doug Nurmi 972-540-6131 thenurm@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 5:59 PM To: 'Doug Nurmi'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] POP3 Proxy Questions > When I attempt to start the service either from Admin. > Tools/services or from a command line (net start pop3proxy), > I get SERVICE ERROR 1, and it will not go. If you run from a command line "pop3proxy_service.py debug", then it will output any error messages to the console window. These would probably have clues about what's going wrong. I think (but am not sure) that running the service from source redirects output to the SpambayesServiceN.log files in your temp directory ('c:\documents and settings\[username]\local settings\temp', most likely). Either should get you the error text. > Now I have a bit of a half baked installation of SpamBayes. Does using sb_server.py (i.e. running without the service) work? What about pop3proxy_tray.py? (which figures out whether to use the service or sb_server, although probably not cleverly enough to use sb_server if the service gives an error). > I had the proxy service running the other day, > but I could not seem to get Outlook to communicate > through it. Now I cannot even get the Proxy service to run If you let us know what the error output is, we can probably figure it out; however: > What I would like to have happen is that SpamBayes > operates as an Outlook add-in, utilizes the Proxy server > to do its thing and carry on basically transparent to me. > Is this possible? Where have I gone astray? Do I need > to install something in another directory or what? Is there a reason that you're wanting to use the service? From the description of what you want, it really seems that you want the Outlook plug-in (and it would be odd for anyone using Outlook 2000 to prefer the service over the plug-in). It doesn't utilise the proxy server, but do you really need it to? I'm pretty sure that what you want to do is forget about all the stuff you've done so far, download the installer for the Outlook plug-in, run the installer, open Outlook, go through the configuration wizard that it presents you, and you're done. (If you want to run the plug-in from source, then what you want to do is run the script "addin.py" which is in the Outlook 2000 directory). Sorry if this is a confusing answer, but I'm a bit confused about what you want to do! =Tony Meyer From dbulgrien at vcsd.com Fri Jan 2 09:17:59 2004 From: dbulgrien at vcsd.com (Dennis W. Bulgrien) Date: Fri Jan 2 09:20:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Clues Tokens Message-ID: Why isn't everything in the Message Tokens sections also in the Spam Score section? From keith at lark-rise.co.uk Fri Jan 2 03:54:24 2004 From: keith at lark-rise.co.uk (Keith Haarhoff) Date: Fri Jan 2 09:52:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes implementation Message-ID: <000701c3d10e$078a5740$05c466c3@keith> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, I had a problem a couple of days ago and I have not been able to get it to work again since then. I am running Windows XP with Office XP (Outlook 2002 SP2). I use the Exchange client in outlook. I was building a temporary profile in outlook to work on one of my people's PST files and I got an error that I didn't pay any attention to when I opened outlook in the temporary profile. When I went back to my regular profile, I noticed that Spambayes was not working. I tried un-installing and re-installing the program several times, even trying a full re-boot after one of the un-installs. I have my antivirus disabled. I have tried the "regsvr32.exe spambayes_addin.dll" command also. I do not get any errors at any time, but when I open outlook the toolbar is not there and I can not get it to appear. I have even tried adding it using the "add button" from: Tools->Options to display the main Options dialog. Select the tab labeled Other, then click on the Advanced button. 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Bulgrien wrote: > Why isn't everything in the Message Tokens sections also in the Spam > Score section? The "Message Tokens" section contains all tokens that were parsed from the message. However, many of those tokens are not used in scoring because they are not "significant" (they have very neutral scores between 0.4 and 0.6), or because there are more than 150 significant tokens. The "Spam Score" section lists only the tokens that were actually used in determining the final score of the message. -- Kenny Pitt From tim.one at comcast.net Fri Jan 2 11:10:21 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Fri Jan 2 11:10:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] fcntl not available on Windows In-Reply-To: <3FF53C75.4020606@vargas.com> Message-ID: [Miguel Vargas] > I'm trying to get the command line stuff to work in Windows. When I > try to run sb_mboxtrain.py it fails when it imports fcntl. Looking > through my Python lib directory fcntl.py doesn't exist although > FCNTL.py does. According to the Python docs, fcntl is Unix only. That's right. sb_mboxtrain can't work on native Windows as it's currently written. I think someone has already wormed around this, but (sorry!) don't remember the details. From papaDoc at videotron.ca Fri Jan 2 11:37:54 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Fri Jan 2 11:37:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] fcntl not available on Windows Message-ID: <3FF59E62.1090604@videotron.ca> Hi, > > I'm trying to get the command line stuff to work in Windows. When I > > try to run sb_mboxtrain.py it fails when it imports fcntl. Looking > > through my Python lib directory fcntl.py doesn't exist although > > FCNTL.py does. According to the Python docs, fcntl is Unix only. > That's right. sb_mboxtrain can't work on native Windows as it's currently > written. I think someone has already wormed around this, but (sorry!) don't > remember the details. I'm the one who wrote the patch. You can find it at: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=857937&group_id=61702&atid=498105 You might need portalocker.py, if you don't have it yet just ask me. I will send it to you. Remi From Dennis.Bulgrien at TripointGlobal.com Fri Jan 2 14:06:29 2004 From: Dennis.Bulgrien at TripointGlobal.com (Bulgrien, Dennis) Date: Fri Jan 2 14:03:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Content-Type text/html charset Message-ID: SpamBayes misses some e-mails with oriental font (charsets "euc-kr", "ks_c_5601-1987", "?ISO-8859-1?B?", etc). The Outlook filter I used before SpamBayes deleted all e-mails with the known oriental font (even if one said that my mother died I couldn't read it! ;-0) by searching the header for the charset name. "Show spam clues for current message" after training on it seems to imply that certain parts of the header are preprocessed and ignored. For instance, the Message-Id line (see below) is mixed case, has a space following the colon, and angle-bracket enclosed alphanumeric characters before the at sign (@) but Spam Score shows 'message-id:@gaston.vertexrsi.net', lower case, no space, no angle brackets, no alphanumeric ID. So is that a preprocessor ignoring redundant and/or unique information? If so I think it unfortunately ignores the very valuable charset token. Message Tokens lists 'content-type:text/plain' but not the charset value that follows, "charset="euc-kr" (see below). If the charset value was a token it would ALWAYS be in spam and wouldn't it be a terrific scoring clue? _______________________________________ Message-Id: <200401021340.i02DeOih005511@gaston.vertexrsi.net> From: ... To: ... Subject: ????????? Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 22:44:11 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="euc-kr" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by gaston.vertexrsi.net id i02DeOih005511 From nmstough at uci.edu Fri Jan 2 15:45:10 2004 From: nmstough at uci.edu (Neal Stoughton) Date: Fri Jan 2 15:45:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] imap4 filter References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A27@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <01ee01c3d171$50ec02e0$aa45fea9@Tsunami> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Meyer" To: "'Neal Stoughton'" ; Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 16:15 Subject: RE: [Spambayes] imap4 filter > I ran the training again and got exactly the same set of > messages from the traceback; although as you predicted the > memory error occurred relatively quickly (within 1 minute > of the start). I have no idea at which point its dying. I suspect that it is one message that it's choking on, then. If you like, I can try and track this down with you to verify that it is. If it is the case, then I think the best behaviour would be for imapfilter to check for the MemoryError at that point and if it occurs to print out a warning and carry on (skipping that message). If you do want to do this, the first step is to run imapfilter with the "-i4" switch. This will result in it printing out *lots* of information (basically all the commands to and from the IMAP server. I'm interested in the one just before the crash, which should be some sort of FETCH. That will identify the message that is causing the problem. If you then run it again, it should be the same message id the next time before the crash. Verifying that it's the same message would be enough, but if you wanted, we could also then check the reason (I suspect it's a *huge* message, perhaps one with lots of attachments). Im not sure exactly what I should do here. I ran the program and got the output below. So it does not seem to recognize the command option, or am I misunderstanding something? Then what am I supposed to do. Run the training again and look at some debug file? Which one? ---- C:\Python23>python scripts\sb_imapfilter.py -i4 SpamBayes IMAP Filter Beta1, version 0.1 (September 2003), using SpamBayes IMAP Filter Web Interface Alpha2, version 0.02 and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003). -b, -c, or -t operands must be specified. Please use the -h operand for help. From tim.one at comcast.net Fri Jan 2 18:54:34 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Fri Jan 2 18:55:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Content-Type text/html charset In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Bulgrien, Dennis] > SpamBayes misses some e-mails with oriental font (charsets "euc-kr", > "ks_c_5601-1987", "?ISO-8859-1?B?", etc). The Outlook filter I used > before If you're using the Outlook flavor of SpamBayes, it should respond quickly to training on these as spam. > SpamBayes deleted all e-mails with the known oriental font > (even if one said that my mother died I couldn't read it! ;-0) by > searching the header for the charset name. Ours is a "preponderance of evidence" scheme -- there's nothing we consider as being determinative, on its own, of whether a message is ham or spam. So if someone did send you an email about your mother dying, and you've trained on mother-dying emails as ham , SpamBayes would probably score a new mother-dying email as ham even if it had spammish characteristics too. > "Show spam clues for current message" after training on it seems > to imply that certain parts of the header are preprocessed and > ignored. A great many are, yes. There's no "sense" to it: a great many strategies were *tried*, and often different strategies were tried for different kinds of header lines. We kept the ones that did best in large-scale tests early in the project. So the only explanation you'll get for most any specific decision here is just "tests said that worked best across all the alternatives tried". So, for example, we preserve case in Subject headers, but convert to lowercase everywhere else. > ... > If so I think it unfortunately ignores the very valuable charset > token. Message Tokens lists 'content-type:text/plain' but not the > charset value that follows, "charset="euc-kr" (see below). If the > charset value was a token it would ALWAYS be in spam and wouldn't > it be a terrific scoring clue? It would still just be one of many, but you're right that testing said charset identifiers are in fact good clues. If you were using any version of SpamBayes *other* than the Outlook addin, you'd be getting them, too. Their absence in the Outlook-addin version of SpamBayes is a nasty technical problem stemming from that Outlook destroys the original MIME structure of incoming email, but the email parser we use requires valid MIME structure. The specific problems are described in detail in comments in the GetEmailPackageObject() method in source file Outlook2000/msgstore.py (you need to download the project's source code to see that, of course). In a nutshell, as part of destroying the incoming MIME structure, Outlook does its own character conversions, and if we left the charset identifiers intact in the plain-text version of the email we actually score, the email parser we use would try to do the specified conversions *again*, and either blow up or deliver nonsense results. The most expedient way to worm around this was to strip Content-Transfer-Encoding and Content-Type headers from the email we synthesize for scoring: they specify the message's *original* MIME structure, but the original MIME structure can't be gotten from Outlook. As a result, the synthesized message we actually score doesn't contain the Content-Type: text/html; charset="euc-kr" header line at all, and that outcome is unique to the Outlook addin. From shadoe at shadoe.com Fri Jan 2 20:05:07 2004 From: shadoe at shadoe.com (Shadoe) Date: Fri Jan 2 19:50:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] THE PROGRAM COMMITTED SUICIDE AND REFUSES TO COME BACK TO LIFE Message-ID: <000301c3d195$a150df70$6400a8c0@jerry.rhythmradio.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I hunted high > and low. I uninstalled?I reinstalled?I uninstalled?I reinstalled?I > searched the help folder?.I went to the Spambaye manager?nothing > helped?.I downloaded a new file from the website and tried everything > all over again. No matter what I did, the SpamBayes Installation > Wizard never came up again?and the junk and junk suspects files never > returned. I?ve run out of ideas. Can you help? I miss the Spambaye > Advantage. > From miguel at vargas.com Sat Jan 3 12:19:57 2004 From: miguel at vargas.com (Miguel Vargas) Date: Sat Jan 3 12:19:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] fcntl not available on Windows In-Reply-To: <3FF59E62.1090604@videotron.ca> References: <3FF59E62.1090604@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3FF6F9BD.9030602@vargas.com> I am running Win98 but portalocker.py only works on NT, it fails on Win98 with error: (120, 'LockFileEx', 'This function is only valid in Win32 mode.'). I found an example of Win98 file locking in this thread http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-win32/2001-August/000123.html. It uses Win32's LockFile instead of LockFileEx, but it can't set the exclusive flag. I don't know enough to try to fix your patch, so I'm giving up :( I think I need a better OS, I wonder where my RedHat CD is at ... From rbird at phx.devry.edu Sat Jan 3 15:43:26 2004 From: rbird at phx.devry.edu (Rick Bird, Professor) Date: Sat Jan 3 15:40:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] One small (yet critical) feature needed... fake "bounce" reply Message-ID: <000201c3d23a$3f83bc40$6f040a0a@ntadmin.devryphx.edu> I LOVE SpamBayes. I am telling everyone about the software. SpamBayes only needs one critical feature to make it ideal. We need to be able to send a fake "undeliverable" email to the senders of spam. The spammers will see the fake "undeliverable" email and then remove our email address from their lists. A lot of sellers of lists claim high accuracy ratings and "live" addresses. By bouncing back an undeliverable message, they will look very bad to their clients and/or our addresses will be pulled off their lists. Please put this critical feature into the first release update (1.1a1). Thanks for the great software! Rick Bird -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040103/6599f359/attachment.html From richie at entrian.com Sat Jan 3 16:00:29 2004 From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle) Date: Sat Jan 3 16:00:34 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] One small (yet critical) feature needed... fake "bounce" reply In-Reply-To: <000201c3d23a$3f83bc40$6f040a0a@ntadmin.devryphx.edu> References: <000201c3d23a$3f83bc40$6f040a0a@ntadmin.devryphx.edu> Message-ID: <25bevvgl2l8mddnm8olvta25ruqd0j49ej@4ax.com> [Rick] > SpamBayes only needs one critical feature to make it ideal. We need to be > able to send a fake "undeliverable" email to the senders of spam. The > spammers will see the fake "undeliverable" email and then remove our email > address from their lists. This is a really bad idea. In most cases the bounce will go to some poor innocent bystander whose email the spammer is using as the From or Reply-To address. A spammer has in the past used my email address as his From address. I received about 2,000 bounce messages per day for several weeks. -- Richie Hindle richie@entrian.com From tim at coote.org Sat Jan 3 18:13:12 2004 From: tim at coote.org (tim@coote.org) Date: Sat Jan 3 18:13:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] is this a bug in pop3proxy Message-ID: <20040103231312.GA11362@fw.coote.org> Hullo Before I submit this as a bug, I'd like to see if anyone else has seen it. I'm running sb_server v 1.07alpha and periodically get a lot of errors that look like they are due to trying to open non-existent cache files. The system is a Redhat 8.0. Is this a known problem, have I configured something wrongly, or is this a new problem (in which case, how can I get more debugging information. My guess is that the error can be silently ignored. --cut here for example error set-- Jan 3 21:27:00 fw sb_server.py: Unhandled exception in thread started by > Jan 3 21:27:00 fw sb_server.py: Traceback (most recent call last): Jan 3 21:27:00 fw sb_server.py: File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/Corpus.py", line 273, in removeExpiredMessages Jan 3 21:27:00 fw sb_server.py: self.removeMessage(msg) Jan 3 21:27:00 fw sb_server.py: File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/FileCorpus.py", line 155, in removeMessage Jan 3 21:27:00 fw sb_server.py: Corpus.Corpus.removeMessage(self, message) Jan 3 21:27:00 fw sb_server.py: File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/Corpus.py", line 152, in removeMessage Jan 3 21:27:00 fw sb_server.py: obs.onRemoveMessage(message) Jan 3 21:27:00 fw sb_server.py: File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 594, in onRemoveMessage Jan 3 21:27:00 fw sb_server.py: self.untrain(message) Jan 3 21:27:00 fw sb_server.py: File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 602, in untrain Jan 3 21:27:00 fw sb_server.py: self.bayes.unlearn(message.tokenize(), self.is_spam) Jan 3 21:27:00 fw sb_server.py: File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/Corpus.py", line 357, in tokenize Jan 3 21:27:00 fw sb_server.py: return tokenizer.tokenize(self.getSubstance()) Jan 3 21:27:01 fw sb_server.py: File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/Corpus.py", line 347, in getSubstance Jan 3 21:27:01 fw sb_server.py: return self.hdrtxt + self.payload Jan 3 21:27:01 fw sb_server.py: File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/Corpus.py", line 291, in __getattr__ Jan 3 21:27:01 fw sb_server.py: self.load() Jan 3 21:27:01 fw sb_server.py: File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/FileCorpus.py", line 222, in load Jan 3 21:27:01 fw sb_server.py: fp = gzip.open(pn, 'rb') Jan 3 21:27:01 fw sb_server.py: File "/var/tmp/python2.3-2.3.2-root/usr/lib/python2.3/gzip.py", line 49, in open Jan 3 21:27:02 fw sb_server.py: return GzipFile(filename, mode, compresslevel) Jan 3 21:27:02 fw sb_server.py: File "/var/tmp/python2.3-2.3.2-root/usr/lib/python2.3/gzip.py", line 94, in __init__ Jan 3 21:27:02 fw sb_server.py: fileobj = self.myfileobj = __builtin__.open(filename, mode or 'rb') Jan 3 21:27:02 fw sb_server.py: IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'pop3proxy-ham-cache/1072441778' From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com Sat Jan 3 18:26:52 2004 From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone) Date: Sat Jan 3 18:26:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] One small (yet critical) feature needed... fake "bounce" reply In-Reply-To: <000201c3d23a$3f83bc40$6f040a0a@ntadmin.devryphx.edu> References: <000201c3d23a$3f83bc40$6f040a0a@ntadmin.devryphx.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:43:26 -0700, Rick Bird, Professor wrote: > > Please put this critical feature into the first release update (1.1a1). We receive this request about once every 13 seconds, which is approximately the frequency which you will receive hate email if a spammer ever uses your address as the From: address in a widely distributed spam. There is no chance that we will ever include this "feature" in Spambayes. However, the source is open, and you're more than welcome to add it to your copy. -- Vous exprimer; Expr?sese; Te stesso esprimere; Express yourself! Tim Stone From tim.one at comcast.net Sat Jan 3 20:14:04 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Sat Jan 3 20:14:07 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] fcntl not available on Windows In-Reply-To: <3FF6F9BD.9030602@vargas.com> Message-ID: [Miguel Vargas] > I am running Win98 but portalocker.py only works on NT, it fails on > Win98 with error: (120, 'LockFileEx', 'This function is only valid in > Win32 mode.'). > > I found an example of Win98 file locking in this thread > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-win32/2001-August/000123.html. > It uses Win32's LockFile instead of LockFileEx, but it can't set the > exclusive flag. LockFile is always exclusive; what it can't do that LockFileEx can is *not* be exclusive. > I don't know enough to try to fix your patch, so I'm giving up :( > > I think I need a better OS, I wonder where my RedHat CD is at ... Or a different approach -- Unix weenies run around locking files just because they can . If you're running Win9x, you're almost certainly using it as a single-user system, and if you can trust yourself not to run anything else that might try to write to the mbox during training, just comment out the lines mucking with locks. Locks aren't needed for correct operation, they're just a safety net to help prevent you from hurting yourself. OTOH, if you want that safety net, a method that works across all Windows flavors can be built on Python's msvcrt.locking() function (which invokes Microsoft's _locking() function under the covers, which in turn invokes the Win32 LockFile/UnlockFile as appropriate). From wcone1 at comcast.net Sun Jan 4 00:32:27 2004 From: wcone1 at comcast.net (Walt Cone) Date: Sun Jan 4 00:32:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem installing Spambay Message-ID: <000001c3d284$2792e440$587fce0c@D3D7YF31> To who it may concern, I downloaded your newest release of the Spambay plug inprogram, and here is the error I got when I ran the install program. I shut off the firewall and Norton antivirus program before starting the program. I would like to try this program but can't get it to work. Here is the text and screen of the complete error. Error --------------------------- C:\Program Files\Spambayes Outlook Addin\spambayes_addin.dll Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; code 0x00000000. Click Retry to try again, Ignore to proceed anyway (not recommended), or Abort to cancel installation. --------------------------- Abort Retry Ignore --------------------------- Well there you have it. If I could get some help I would apriciate it. I also do not use Microsoft Word as my editor. I use the plain text as my default setting in Outlook. I am running windows XP and office XP. Thank you, Walt Cone IM wcone3@hotmail.com (yahoo) wcone1951@yahoo.com From princess26_4 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 01:24:29 2004 From: princess26_4 at yahoo.com (Tracy Mccastle) Date: Sun Jan 4 01:24:33 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Latest spammer trick stymied - QUESTION Message-ID: <20040104062429.64124.qmail@web80101.mail.yahoo.com> I have been receiving e-mail from Nudesletter.com and would like to get rid of it. there is no link to remove or unsubscribe. When I try to reply to the message, I receive a delivery failure notice. can you help me get off this list? Princess26_4@yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040103/7ec78340/attachment.html From tim.one at comcast.net Sun Jan 4 02:56:59 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Sun Jan 4 02:57:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Latest spammer trick stymied - QUESTION In-Reply-To: <20040104062429.64124.qmail@web80101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: [Tracy Mccastle] > I have been receiving e-mail from Nudesletter.com and would like to > get rid of it. there is no link to remove or unsubscribe. When I > try to reply to the message, I receive a delivery failure notice. > can you help me get off this list? Sorry, nobody can take you off that list except the spammers who send you the email to begin with, and it sounds like they've made it clear they won't. If you like fighting battles, you can ask for your ISP's help to track them down. For a start, clicking this: http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=!%20NET-65-39-210-0-1 will get you the registered contact information for the company that "owns" the www.nudesletter.com IP address (65.39.210.10). One caution: it's generally a bad idea to click on a "remove me" link in spam that has such a link. If you do click on it, it confirms to the spammer that your email address is "live". Then they can sell your address to other spammers. The result is that you get more spam, not less. Replying to spam isn't as bad, because-- as you've discovered --spammers usually forge a phony reply-to address (or, worse, forge a real address, but of someone who has nothing to do with the spammers). So replying is usually futile too (at best -- at worst it annoys someone unrelated to the spammers). From tim.one at comcast.net Sun Jan 4 03:16:59 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Sun Jan 4 03:17:03 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] emptying In-Reply-To: <186.23ae91d1.2d26a6bc@cs.com> Message-ID: [Rtssrq@cs.com] > is there a command that empties the junk folder? There is not -- there is no option or setting or button or menu item (etc) of any kind that will convince SpamBayes to delete email, ever. Deleting mail is too drastic a step for us to presume to automate. Simplest is to visit your spam folder now and again, and do Ctrl+A that selects all the messages Shift+Delete that deletes them all, without going thru Deleted Items So that's just a few keystrokes, and if you do it it's entirely your fault if you delete something you really wanted <0.5 wink>. If you want to get fancier, you can right-click on your spam folder, click Properties on the context menu that pops up, and use the AutoArchive tab to tell Outlook to delete stuff automagically on some schedule you find comfortable. From tanyuk_d at yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 04:46:31 2004 From: tanyuk_d at yahoo.com (Tanya) Date: Sun Jan 4 04:46:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spam is not moved automatically Message-ID: <20040104094631.42727.qmail@web41409.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all! I have the following problem: I've installed the SpamBayes, performed learning, checked "Enable SpamBayes" and selected all actions as "move". But incoming spam letters are not moved automatically to the spam folder... SpamBayes removes these letters only if I run it manually ("Filter Now" dialog). All the scores are correct - I've checked this. I use Winodws NT4 and the latest version of SpamBayes. Any suggestions? Thanks for any help! Tanya --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040104/09483541/attachment.html From beuc at beuc.net Sun Jan 4 10:03:32 2004 From: beuc at beuc.net (Sylvain Beucler) Date: Sun Jan 4 10:03:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] POP3Proxy: too long delay Message-ID: <20040104150332.GC1338@wolf.unice.fr> Hello, I am running SpamBayes as a proxy server under GNU, and I use Balsa. Everything is fine, but when I receive a big mail (eg with attachements), Balsa do not get any mail - though SpamBayes displays it in the 'Review' section, and do not remove it from the server. Aworkaround is to get the mail from the original POP3 server directly :/ Since SpamBayes has to analyse all the e-mail content before to relay it, I believe Balsa thinks the POP3 server is not responding; it outputs: "Authentication failed" on the terminal. Unfortunately I cannot set Balsa's wait time :/ So: Since the error is "Authentication error", it may mean that the proxy should "flush" its output more often: maybe it did not relayed the authentication confirmation fast enough? -- Sylvain From richie at entrian.com Sun Jan 4 10:27:42 2004 From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle) Date: Sun Jan 4 10:27:48 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] POP3Proxy: too long delay In-Reply-To: <20040104150332.GC1338@wolf.unice.fr> References: <20040104150332.GC1338@wolf.unice.fr> Message-ID: <1obgvv4659ksaekvss4btmd6ktc6vbgg4p@4ax.com> Hi Sylvain, > maybe it did not relayed the authentication confirmation fast enough? It should start to relay after thirty seconds, whether it's received the whole message or not - does your error appear before then? You can change the timeout by editing sb_server.py - around line 215 should be code like this: # Time out after 30 seconds for message-retrieval commands if # all the headers are down. The rest of the message will proxy # straight through. if self.command in ['TOP', 'RETR'] and \ self.seenAllHeaders and time.time() > self.startTime + 30: self.onResponse() self.response = '' Just change that '30' to whatever suits. You can use "which sb_server.py" to find out where sb_server.py is on your machine. Please let us know whether this helps. We should probably make the timeout configurable. -- Richie Hindle richie@entrian.com From richie at entrian.com Sun Jan 4 10:42:19 2004 From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle) Date: Sun Jan 4 10:42:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] is this a bug in pop3proxy In-Reply-To: <20040103231312.GA11362@fw.coote.org> References: <20040103231312.GA11362@fw.coote.org> Message-ID: <21dgvvodqr56scr1qafv4j68r3p371dbhh@4ax.com> Hi Tim, > Before I submit this as a bug, I'd like to see if anyone else > has seen it. I'm running sb_server v 1.07alpha and periodically get > a lot of errors that look like they are due to trying to open > non-existent cache files. It's a new one on me. Can you give us any more information about when it happens? -- Richie Hindle richie@entrian.com From beuc at beuc.net Sun Jan 4 12:02:59 2004 From: beuc at beuc.net (Sylvain Beucler) Date: Sun Jan 4 12:03:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] POP3Proxy: too long delay In-Reply-To: <1obgvv4659ksaekvss4btmd6ktc6vbgg4p@4ax.com> (from richie@entrian.com on dim, jan 04, 2004 at 16:27:42 +0100) References: <20040104150332.GC1338@wolf.unice.fr> <1obgvv4659ksaekvss4btmd6ktc6vbgg4p@4ax.com> Message-ID: <20040104170259.GI1338@wolf.unice.fr> Hi, The error message came at about 30 seconds. Balsa must give up a few seconds before the proxy send the full message. I used a delay of 10 and it works very well. Thanks. -- Sylvain > It should start to relay after thirty seconds, whether it's received > the > whole message or not - does your error appear before then? > > You can change the timeout by editing sb_server.py - around line 215 > should be code like this: > > # Time out after 30 seconds for message-retrieval commands if > # all the headers are down. The rest of the message will > proxy > # straight through. > if self.command in ['TOP', 'RETR'] and \ > self.seenAllHeaders and time.time() > self.startTime + 30: > self.onResponse() > self.response = '' > > Just change that '30' to whatever suits. You can use "which > sb_server.py" > to find out where sb_server.py is on your machine. > > Please let us know whether this helps. We should probably make the > timeout configurable. > > -- > Richie Hindle > richie@entrian.com From tim+spambayes at coote.org Sun Jan 4 12:26:29 2004 From: tim+spambayes at coote.org (tim+spambayes@coote.org) Date: Sun Jan 4 12:26:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] is this a bug in pop3proxy In-Reply-To: <21dgvvodqr56scr1qafv4j68r3p371dbhh@4ax.com> References: <20040103231312.GA11362@fw.coote.org> <21dgvvodqr56scr1qafv4j68r3p371dbhh@4ax.com> Message-ID: <20040104172629.GA16949@fw.coote.org> On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 03:42:19PM +0000, Richie Hindle wrote: > Hi Tim, > > > Before I submit this as a bug, I'd like to see if anyone else > > has seen it. I'm running sb_server v 1.07alpha and periodically get > > a lot of errors that look like they are due to trying to open > > non-existent cache files. > > It's a new one on me. Can you give us any more information about when it > happens? > unclear to me - I'm not familiar enough with spambayes. seems to happen around quarter past and quarter to the hour, often recurring once started. 800+ times since Dec 7 according to my log files (that's the earliest file that hasn't rotated away. Sometimes both ham and spam caches. sometimes just ham. I haven't seen it happen just on spam cache. if this is new, it's entirely likely that it's a configuration mistake on my part. how can I get more info to find the cause? cheers Tim From tim.one at comcast.net Sun Jan 4 14:55:44 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Sun Jan 4 14:55:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] delete In-Reply-To: <005201c3d2bc$83c50e40$6400a8c0@Yaakov> Message-ID: [Jay Novetsky, M.D.] > I recently downloaded your most recent version of Spambayes to my > laptop running Windows XP Pro. I tried to delete the program using > the typical remove program in control panel. Now whenever I download > mail using Outlook the new mail is distributed randomly throughout > the saved mail in Inbox rather than being grouped together at the > bottom of all my mail. Any hints on how to fix this. The order in which Outook displays messages depends on how you've set the "sort order" in the view you're using; SpamBayes never changes this, but it's very easy for you to change it (on purpose, or-- alas --by accident). I don't know which columns you have in the views you use. If you have a column whose heading is "Received", click on "Received" once. Then the display of your messages will be sorted by the time you received them, newest message at the top. Click on "Received" once more, and it will reverse the order, putting the newest message at the bottom. If you don't have a "Received" column, click instead on the "Sent" column -- if you have one of those. Etc -- you can click on any column to sort by the values in that column. From richie at entrian.com Sun Jan 4 16:06:30 2004 From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle) Date: Sun Jan 4 16:06:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] POP3Proxy: too long delay In-Reply-To: <20040104170259.GI1338@wolf.unice.fr> References: <20040104150332.GC1338@wolf.unice.fr> <1obgvv4659ksaekvss4btmd6ktc6vbgg4p@4ax.com> <20040104170259.GI1338@wolf.unice.fr> Message-ID: <4pvgvvkf4etpjublh916j8uuve065815je@4ax.com> Sylvain, > The error message came at about 30 seconds. Balsa must give up a few > seconds before the proxy send the full message. > I used a delay of 10 and it works very well. Thanks for the info. I've raised a feature request for making the timeout configurable: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=870524&group_id=61702&atid=498106 -- Richie Hindle richie@entrian.com From bob at 1776.com Sun Jan 4 14:25:02 2004 From: bob at 1776.com (Robert K. Coe) Date: Sun Jan 4 17:25:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] delete In-Reply-To: <005201c3d2bc$83c50e40$6400a8c0@Yaakov> Message-ID: <000001c3d2f8$74268630$6601a8c0@CambridgeMA.gov> Surely this is an Outlook question, not a Spambayes question. I'd say you need to refresh or redefine your "Current View". Bob? -----Original Message----- From: Jay Novetsky, M.D. [mailto:jnovetsky@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 7:16 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] delete Dear People, I recently downloaded your most recent version of Spambayes to my laptop running Windows XP Pro. I tried to delete the program using the typical remove program in control panel. Now whenever I download mail using Outlook the new mail is distributed randomly throughout the saved mail in Inbox rather than being grouped together at the bottom of all my mail. Any hints on how to fix this. Thanx Jay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040104/11adb6fc/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jan 4 17:25:33 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jan 4 17:25:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] is this a bug in pop3proxy In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499C6B6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777D4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > > > Before I submit this as a bug, I'd like to see if anyone else has > > > seen it. I'm running sb_server v 1.07alpha and periodically get a > > > lot of errors that look like they are due to trying to open > > > non-existent cache files. > > > > It's a new one on me. Can you give us any more information > > about when it happens? > > > unclear to me - I'm not familiar enough with spambayes. seems > to happen around quarter past and quarter to the hour, often > recurring once started. Could something else be touching the files in those directories? I've seen this happen with virus software automatically 'quarentining' files in the cache directories (if you get mail with a virus, then a copy, with the virus, will be in the cache directory, after all, and the virus software isn't to know that it's not going to be executed). =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jan 4 17:27:31 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jan 4 17:27:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spam is not moved automatically In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499C6A3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777D5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have the following problem: > I've installed the SpamBayes, performed learning, > checked "Enable SpamBayes" and selected all actions > as "move". But incoming spam letters are not moved > automatically to the spam folder... SpamBayes removes > these letters only if I run it manually ("Filter Now" dialog). Would you be able to send us a copy of your most recent log file? If something's going wrong with the filtering, it should have more detailed information about what it is. =Tony Meyer From tim+spambayes at coote.org Sun Jan 4 18:03:20 2004 From: tim+spambayes at coote.org (tim+spambayes@coote.org) Date: Sun Jan 4 18:03:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] is this a bug in pop3proxy In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777D4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499C6B6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777D4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <20040104230320.GB17206@fw.coote.org> > > to happen around quarter past and quarter to the hour, often > > recurring once started. > > Could something else be touching the files in those directories? I've seen > this happen with virus software automatically 'quarentining' files in the > cache directories (if you get mail with a virus, then a copy, with the > virus, will be in the cache directory, after all, and the virus software > isn't to know that it's not going to be executed). > I doubt is this is a Linux box, and I don't have any virus software on it, unless you include tripwire. Am I correct in thinking that what's going on is that sb_server is trying to process cache files of individual messages that have somehow disappeared, or, possibly the cache index is somehow broken (eg stuff gets reclassified in the web UI, but the reference is still to the old classification) ? I don't feel that I can submit a bug report without more information as it's currently unreproduceable (otherwise it would have been seen elsewhere), so I'd like to get more debug info - how can I turn debug logging on? tc From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jan 4 18:20:19 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jan 4 18:20:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] is this a bug in pop3proxy In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499C7ED@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777D6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Am I correct in thinking that what's going on is that > sb_server is trying to > process cache files of individual messages that have somehow > disappeared, or, possibly the cache index is somehow broken > (eg stuff gets reclassified in the web UI, but the reference > is still to the old classification) ? Yes, that's correct. Either the file has gone when it should not have, or it has correctly gone, but incorrectly thinks it should not have. Do the files referred to (in logs more recent than the cache expiry date) exist in one of the other cache directories, or not at all? > I don't feel that I can submit a bug report without more > information as it's currently unreproduceable (otherwise it > would have been seen elsewhere), so I'd like to get more > debug info - how can I turn debug logging on? In your configuration file, set "verbose" to "True" (in the "globals" section). This will print out info whenever the cache files are used (loaded, moved, deleted, etc). =Tony Meyer From jepler at unpythonic.net Sun Jan 4 21:54:00 2004 From: jepler at unpythonic.net (Jeff Epler) Date: Sun Jan 4 21:54:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py vs sb_xmlrpcserv.py Message-ID: <20040105025400.GD1075@unpythonic.net> [spambayes 1.0a7, python 2.2.3, fedora core 1] How should I properly train when running sb_xmlrpcserv.py? I started off using database format (dbhash), and running sb_mboxtrain.py while sb_xmlrpcserv.py was running. After some length of time, training would fail with a database error which I foolishly didn't record. The final line of the traceback was "bsddb.error: (22, 'Invalid argument')", but the site of the exception was when accessing or updating a key---I don't remember which---not opening the database as in http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=61702&atid=498103&func=detail&aid=832070 So I switched to Pickle format, but in glancing at the source I didn't see any way for concurrent access by two spambayes processes to work right. So now I kill xmlrpcserv, run mboxtrain, then restart xmlrpcserv. This seems to work, except that mail that arrives while xmlrpcserv is down is not scored. What's the right way to do it? Thanks for any advice, Jeff From jmarsh1 at mindspring.com Mon Jan 5 02:57:35 2004 From: jmarsh1 at mindspring.com (J Marsh) Date: Mon Jan 5 02:54:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Can't get spambayes to start Message-ID: <410-2200411575735509@mindspring.com> I've tried downloading the most recent version of spambayes this evening and nothing happens when I open my email. I've read thru the trouble-shooting info and still am not sure how to get the program to load. The log file that I find is: Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\jmarsh1.JWME-2R8280GY63\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db' Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\jmarsh1.JWME-2R8280GY63\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db' Bayes database initialized with 0 spam and 0 good messages SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.81 (September 9, 2003) starting (with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003)) on Windows 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 4) using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug 6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] Cancelling wizard *** SpamBayes is NOT enabled, so will not filter incoming mail. *** SpamBayes - Disconnecting from Outlook SpamBayes processed 0 messages, finding 0 spam and 0 unsure Addin terminating: 1 COM client and 2 COM servers exist. I'm running Windows 2000Pro, and use Earthlink as my ISP. I'm using Earthlink's Total Access 2004 to get email. I disables Norton virus protection and Earthlink pop up blocker before downloading the program. I also rebooted before running the spambayes install wizard. Please let me know how to get your software up and running. Thanks, Jim J Marsh jmarsh1@mindspring.com From tanyuk_d at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 03:18:57 2004 From: tanyuk_d at yahoo.com (Tanya) Date: Mon Jan 5 03:19:01 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spam is not moved automatically In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777D5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <20040105081857.25968.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Many thanks, WiKl --- klenner.at A-1220 Wien, Wagramer Stra?e 252/5 (Headquarter) A-1220 Wien, Stadlbreitener Anger 21 (Outpost) Talkto: +43-1-812 32 30/0 Faxto: +43-1-812 32 30/30 mailto: office@klenner.at surfto: http://klenner.at --- You can have it done FAST | \ You can have it done RIGHT | > --> Pick any two. You can have it done CHEAP | / --- From robert at imagine.co.uk Mon Jan 5 11:41:53 2004 From: robert at imagine.co.uk (Robert Neuschul) Date: Mon Jan 5 11:42:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Upgrade pointers please Message-ID: Hi all, I've been running version 1-0a4 against Python 2.2 for some time with good success rates, using more or less default configs, but recently performance has begun to degrade, with lots more spam slipping through the net in the last few weeks. I suspect this has to do with three things: firstly the ratio of ham/spam - which is currently running at around 4:1 measured over an average of around 450-500 mail items per day, and secondly that I never got around to using anything other than the then default hammie setup and finally, that in those recent weeks I have not had time to do regular daily or weekly training. It's clearly time to upgrade so as to sort a few things out; however I've managed to completely lose track of which version of w32all is currently installed [yes it's on a W2K server] and I'm also not at all clear if I should consider upgrading Python at the same time. I'd welcome pointers to some URLs or other info offering guidance on the best procedure for proceeding with the upgrade. TIA, Robert Neuschul. From josh at nextrials.com Mon Jan 5 14:29:23 2004 From: josh at nextrials.com (Joshua D. Bello) Date: Mon Jan 5 14:29:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Trouble with Outlook 2002 Message-ID: <20040105192923.GA80412@nextrials.com> I am having an unusual problem using the SpamBayes plugin with Outlook 2002. I originally installed SpamBayes Outlook Addin 0.3 back in July. It has worked very well for months since then. Last week, after starting Outlook, an error came up stating that the SpamBayes addin must be disabled. From that point forward, I am unable to re-enable the addin. I will check the box in the Outlook COM Add-Ins control panel to enable SpamBayes, and the box will become unchecked again the next time I open the control panel. I tried uninstalling 0.3 and then installing 0.7 and am experiencing the same problem- I am unable to enable SpamBayes. No configuration changes were made to the machine in question, and Outlook 2002 is at the latest patch level (patched months ago). Has anybody else experienced these problems, or have any ideas how to get around them? I searched the bug reports and didn't see this among them. Thanks! -- Joshua D. Bello Systems Administrator Nextrials, Inc. +1-925-415-8957 From lebel at lebel.org Mon Jan 5 15:11:05 2004 From: lebel at lebel.org (David Lebel) Date: Mon Jan 5 15:11:09 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] python 2.3 Message-ID: <20040105201105.GG21492@lebel.org> I'm trying to run spambayes (source from cvs a while back, mid-december) with Python 2.3.3 and it fails with the following error when I try to filter with it: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 240, in ? main() File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 232, in main action(msg) File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 159, in filter return h.filter(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 109, in filter prob, clues = self._scoremsg(msg, True) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 38, in _scoremsg return self.bayes.spamprob(tokenize(msg), evidence) AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'spamprob' Am I doing something wrong? Something that got fixed recently? I haven't been able to update my source tree since sourceforge.net is barfing on me for unknown reasons. Ciao, ...David -- // david lebel // // http://www.lebel.org/ http://www.nobiaze.com/ // // pgp: 3633 6999 D47E 73ED 099F 4341 08A4 8E48 EF56 61D1 // From shawn at group4tech.com Mon Jan 5 15:43:15 2004 From: shawn at group4tech.com (Shawn Mcdowell) Date: Mon Jan 5 15:47:06 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Quick Question. Message-ID: <4F477D3A0D6A9A4CBC8166334A4B5990050D4E@OXTAIL> I have to reinstall my OS and would like to back up my spam database, what is the file name of this database? Thanx, Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Finally, I think I can safely say that the amount of spam being received by both of us has been reduced also since using the software. No idea why that should be, but happy all the same. Once again, thanks again. If there is anything I can do to contribute to the project please let me know. Nick Kell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040105/9dec24b7/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jan 5 17:45:05 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jan 5 17:45:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Feedback In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499CA0D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A32@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I am just writing to give a little feedback after > using your software for the last few weeks. Thanks - feedback is always welcome (and it's even better when it's positive!). > I was so impressed though with the results that > I advised a friends from work who was receiving > over 300 spams a day to give it a go. It made > very easy work of this huge problem and he is very > pleased indeed. Do you want to use any of his log > files for research, I can send them to you? If everything went smoothly, then we don't really need them, but thanks for the offer. (If anything went wrong, or could have gone better, then it would be great to know that). In the future (probably after the big 1.0 release (March, hopefully)) we will probably offer the ability to switch on experimental features (in the classification engine) and will be keen on getting results from that. (At the moment, you can test out the features with a range of scripts, but it's not a user friendly 'leave and forget' kind of thing). > Once again, thanks again. If there is anything > I can do to contribute to the project please let me know. Thanks! However, I'm beginning to think that I should leave answering this question to someone else, because I seem to scare people away . If you do want to help, there are helps of ways to do so, ranging from small to large time commitments, and requiring a wide range of skills. FAQ 4.15 has some stuff: The wiki has some more (it should really be linked to from the FAQ...): It really depends on what sort of thing you want to do. If those don't really give you any inspiration, let us know what sort of thing you'd be interested in doing, and we can easily give you a list of things to chose from. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jan 5 17:48:39 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jan 5 17:48:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Quick Question. In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499C9FB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777E0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have to reinstall my OS and would like to > back up my spam database, what is the file name of this database? Are you using the Outlook plug-in? If so, please see FAQ 3.5: If you're not, then the configuration page on the web interface will tell you where your databases are - it's right at the bottom of the page. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jan 5 17:52:04 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jan 5 17:52:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Trouble with Outlook 2002 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499C9D5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777E1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Last week, after starting Outlook, an error came > up stating that the SpamBayes addin must be disabled. From > that point forward, I am unable to re-enable the addin. I > will check the box in the Outlook COM Add-Ins control panel > to enable SpamBayes, and the box will become unchecked again > the next time I open the control panel. Would you be able to grab a copy of your most recent (ends with a 1) log, and send it along? It should have some hints about what is going wrong. > I tried uninstalling 0.3 and then installing 0.7 and am > experiencing the same problem- I am unable to enable SpamBayes. Have you tried 008.1? It's always best to try the latest version. This may be something that was fixed since 007 - 008.1 was released way back in early September, and I have enough trouble remembering yesterday <0.5 wink>. It does sound vaguely familiar, though. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jan 5 17:59:04 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jan 5 17:59:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Upgrade pointers please In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499C985@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A33@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I suspect this has to do with three things: firstly the ratio of > ham/spam - which is currently running at around 4:1 measured over an > average of around 450-500 mail items per day, SpamBayes' performance does definitely suffer with an imbalance. It would be well worth trying to correct that. (You don't have to train on everything, if that's what you're currently doing - the wiki has a *heap* of information about training strategies). > It's clearly time to upgrade so as to sort a few things out; however > I've managed to completely lose track of which version of w32all is > currently installed [yes it's on a W2K server] and I'm also > not at all clear if I should consider upgrading Python at the same time. I believe that the official party line is that there's absolutely no reason to stick with Python 2.2 now that 2.3.3 is out (unless you're stuck with it for some other reason). Unless you're using the pop3proxy_service or pop3proxy_tray scripts (or the Outlook plug-in), then win32all isn't used, so that doesn't matter. If you are, then it's always best to have the latest, but I'm pretty sure that anything recent will suffice. IIRC, 1.0a7 slipped out with a few scripts missing 2.2 compatibility, so that's another reason to consider moving to 2.3. (These have been fixed in cvs by now). > I'd welcome pointers to some URLs or other info offering guidance > on the best procedure for proceeding with the upgrade. It's well worth reading the release notes for 1.0a5, 1.0a6 and 1.0a7. Each of them has information about upgrading from the previous version, and any steps that might be necessary. It shouldn't be that difficult to figure out what's relevant to a 1.0a4->1.0a7 upgrade. You can read them via the (sf) download page - just click on the release heading. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jan 5 18:05:33 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jan 5 18:05:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Can't get spambayes to start In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499C8C0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777E4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> The log has three suspicious entries: > Bayes database initialized with 0 spam and 0 good messages This says that you have no training information. You need to train SpamBayes before it will be able to filter your mail - it does not come with any pre-existing knowledge. > Cancelling wizard The wizard would help you setup SpamBayes and also perform some initial training. Is there any reason that you cancelled out of it? > *** SpamBayes is NOT enabled, so will not filter incoming mail. *** You need to enable SpamBayes before it will filter incoming mail. To do that, though, you need to set it up - you can do this via the "Filtering" tab of the SpamBayes manager. Once that's done, the status panel on the "General" tab will tell you if you are able to tick the "Enable filtering box" (same tab) or not. =Tony Meyer From josh at nextrials.com Mon Jan 5 18:31:00 2004 From: josh at nextrials.com (Joshua D. Bello) Date: Mon Jan 5 18:31:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Trouble with Outlook 2002 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777E1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499C9D5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777E1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <20040105233100.GA88013@nextrials.com> On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 11:52:04AM +1300, Tony Meyer wrote: > > Last week, after starting Outlook, an error came > > up stating that the SpamBayes addin must be disabled. From > > that point forward, I am unable to re-enable the addin. I > > will check the box in the Outlook COM Add-Ins control panel > > to enable SpamBayes, and the box will become unchecked again > > the next time I open the control panel. > > Would you be able to grab a copy of your most recent (ends with a 1) log, > and send it along? It should have some hints about what is going wrong. As per your suggestion, I tried installing 008.1. Unfortunately, I am experiencing the same results. Where is this log file located? I looked both in the program files\spambayes directories and in the applications and settings\username\application data\spambayes directories and was unable to find anything that resembled a log. Thank you very much for your help. Aside from this problem, SpamBayes has been working excellent on every platform I've tried it. --Josh -- Joshua D. Bello Systems Administrator Nextrials, Inc. +1-925-415-8957 From hfell at drm.com Mon Jan 5 18:33:36 2004 From: hfell at drm.com (Harry Fell) Date: Mon Jan 5 18:33:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Trouble with Outlook 2002 Message-ID: In Outlook go to Help, About Microsoft Outlook and select the disabled items option. You may see that Spambayes is disabled there but not in the Add-in Manager. Select it and click enable. Harry Fell Systems Engineer Downs Rachlin Martin PLLC 199 Main Street Burlington VT 05401 Telephone:? 802-846-8333 -----Original Message----- From: Joshua D. Bello [mailto:josh@nextrials.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 6:31 PM To: Tony Meyer Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Trouble with Outlook 2002 On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 11:52:04AM +1300, Tony Meyer wrote: > > Last week, after starting Outlook, an error came > > up stating that the SpamBayes addin must be disabled. From > > that point forward, I am unable to re-enable the addin. I > > will check the box in the Outlook COM Add-Ins control panel > > to enable SpamBayes, and the box will become unchecked again > > the next time I open the control panel. > > Would you be able to grab a copy of your most recent (ends with a 1) > log, and send it along? It should have some hints about what is going > wrong. As per your suggestion, I tried installing 008.1. Unfortunately, I am experiencing the same results. Where is this log file located? I looked both in the program files\spambayes directories and in the applications and settings\username\application data\spambayes directories and was unable to find anything that resembled a log. Thank you very much for your help. Aside from this problem, SpamBayes has been working excellent on every platform I've tried it. --Josh -- Joshua D. Bello Systems Administrator Nextrials, Inc. +1-925-415-8957 _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From josh at nextrials.com Mon Jan 5 18:43:29 2004 From: josh at nextrials.com (Joshua D. Bello) Date: Mon Jan 5 18:43:33 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Trouble with Outlook 2002 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040105234329.GB88013@nextrials.com> On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 06:33:36PM -0500, Harry Fell wrote: > In Outlook go to Help, About Microsoft Outlook and select the disabled items option. You may see that Spambayes is disabled there but not in the Add-in Manager. Select it and click enable. Thank you very much for your suggestion. This worked like a charm, everything now works. --Josh > On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 11:52:04AM +1300, Tony Meyer wrote: > > > Last week, after starting Outlook, an error came > > > up stating that the SpamBayes addin must be disabled. From > > > that point forward, I am unable to re-enable the addin. I > > > will check the box in the Outlook COM Add-Ins control panel > > > to enable SpamBayes, and the box will become unchecked again > > > the next time I open the control panel. > > > > Would you be able to grab a copy of your most recent (ends with a 1) > > log, and send it along? It should have some hints about what is going > > wrong. > > As per your suggestion, I tried installing 008.1. Unfortunately, I am experiencing the same results. Where is this log file located? I looked both in the program files\spambayes directories and in the applications and settings\username\application data\spambayes directories and was unable to find anything that resembled a log. > > Thank you very much for your help. Aside from this problem, SpamBayes has been working excellent on every platform I've tried it. -- Joshua D. Bello Systems Administrator Nextrials, Inc. +1-925-415-8957 From robert at imagine.co.uk Mon Jan 5 19:25:49 2004 From: robert at imagine.co.uk (Robert Neuschul) Date: Mon Jan 5 19:25:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Upgrade pointers please In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A33@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A33@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Tony > SpamBayes' performance does definitely suffer with an imbalance. It would > be well worth trying to correct that. (You don't have to train on > everything, if that's what you're currently doing - the wiki > has a *heap* of information about training > strategies). Excellent pointer, thanks. Shall read and digest. > I believe that the official party line is that there's absolutely no reason > to stick with Python 2.2 now that 2.3.3 is out (unless you're stuck with it > for some other reason). Unless you're using the pop3proxy_service or > pop3proxy_tray scripts (or the Outlook plug-in), then win32all isn't used, > so that doesn't matter. If you are, then it's always best to have the > latest, but I'm pretty sure that anything recent will suffice. Not stuck with 2.2 per se: it's "my" system so I am sysadmin and in charge of what is installed :-) We do use the pop3proxy_service. > steps that might be necessary. It shouldn't be that difficult to figure out > what's relevant to a 1.0a4->1.0a7 upgrade. You can read them via the (sf) > download page - just click on the release heading. Now that was exactly the pointer I was looking for since I couldn't see anything at SF or on the web site: many thanks. Robert. From pioppo at ferrara.linux.it Mon Jan 5 19:47:48 2004 From: pioppo at ferrara.linux.it (Simone Piunno) Date: Mon Jan 5 19:44:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] a server-side filter based on spambayes Message-ID: <200401060147.48413.pioppo@ferrara.linux.it> Hi guys, I'm working on a server-side anti-spam filter based on spambayes, codenamed TUGAST. I've started a derived project because I have different goals than the main spambayes package: - primarily serving geek with shell access to the mail server (or ISPs managing value-added email service for their customers) - filtering server-side to reduce bandwith waste - a CLI and email based UI, remotely operatable - easy installation and configuration Conversely, I completely give up some spambayes feature: - portability on non unix systems - choice over different persistency layers I have already some working code, implementing the following: - a multi-threaded daemon managing a BDB4 word probability database, transactionally, and accepting orders by HTTP over a unix socket - a C client passing messages to the daemon and receiving them back marked as ham/unsure/spam. This is intended to be spawned by procmail and/or maildrop. - an email interface for training, accepting messages as rfc822 attachments, also intended to be spawned by maildrop/procmail - a shell administrative tool. You can find it here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=98702 I'm open for discussion, help, critics, everything. Cheers Simone From tim.one at comcast.net Mon Jan 5 21:04:31 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Mon Jan 5 21:04:34 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Feedback Message-ID: [Nick Kell] > I am just writing to give a little feedback after using your software > for the last few weeks. I had what can only be described as a > ?minor? spam problem, but annoying all the same. Spambayes is pretty > good, it does what it says on the packet! I am also a Baysian > statistician who is not that horrified at the nomenclature used. I > think I can see how you are working this clever program. An odd thing is that this filter is Bayesian in a way most "Bayesian filters" aren't, but isn't Bayesian in the way most are. For an explanation, see Gary Robinson's article: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6467 > I was so impressed though with the results that I advised a friends > from work who was receiving over 300 spams a day to give it a go. It > made very easy work of this huge problem and he is very pleased > indeed. Do you want to use any of his log files for research, I can > send them to you? Nope, the purpose of the log files is to record clues about what might have gone wrong if the code fails. Mostly this ends up revealing undocumented (mis)features of Microsoft's Outlook and MAPI APIs (gratuitous differences among Outlook and OS versions). The logs deliberately don't record any useful information, because if they did, people would hesitate to show them to us. > Finally, I think I can safely say that the amount of spam being > received by both of us has been reduced also since using the > software. No idea why that should be, but happy all the same. If it helps you delete more spam *without* looking at the body of the spam (either by opening the msg, or displaying it in a preview pane), then you're not triggering as many "web beacons". That's a gimmick encoding your email address in a URL pointing to a spammer website -- such a thing can communicate your email address to a spammer as a side effect of "merely" fetching, e.g., an image to display in the body of HTML email. When a web beacon fires, the spammer knows both that your email address is live, and that you looked at the body of the message, and that combination makes you very attractive for more spamming. That's one theory, anyway . I seem to be getting a lot less spam lately too, but am not sure why. > Once again, thanks again. If there is anything I can do to > contribute to the project please let me know. If you'd like a more theoretical challenge, we have an ongoing problem with "unbalanced" training data (training on much more ham than spam, or vice versa). The current method works best when a user trains on an approximately equal number of each, and regardless of the ham::spam ratio they get in their real-life email stream. We haven't found a good way to deal with imbalance. To the contrary, the one adjustment we tried turned out to make matters worse. From beuc at beuc.net Tue Jan 6 03:42:24 2004 From: beuc at beuc.net (Sylvain Beucler) Date: Tue Jan 6 03:42:31 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] POP3Proxy freeze Message-ID: <20040106084224.GC7769@wolf.unice.fr> Hello, I use SpamBayes under GNU and I usually let my session open all the day, with the POP3 proxy launched in a terminal. Sometimes, it eventually freezes, eg do not reply to HTTP and POP3 requests. There is no error output on the terminal. I have to kill it and start it again. How could I get more information on why it freezes? -- Sylvain From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Tue Jan 6 07:44:12 2004 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Tue Jan 6 07:44:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Baes Question Message-ID: Confusing or not, I hope you don't change that. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 7:28 PM > To: 'Avi Jacobson'; Mark.Bond@hq.com > Cc: spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Spam Baes Question > > > > Of course, if you rename the Junk and Suspect folders, you > > will need to reconfigure Spambayes appropriately. > > Actually, as long as you leave them in the same "store" (i.e. in the same > pst file, or on the same Exchange server), renaming them will have no effect > - SpamBayes will keep track of them despite this. > > Note that this may change in future versions, as apparently this 'keeping > track' behaviour is confusing <0.5 wink>. > > =Tony Meyer From tanyuk_d at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 08:09:03 2004 From: tanyuk_d at yahoo.com (Tanya) Date: Tue Jan 6 08:09:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spam is not moved automatically Message-ID: <20040106130903.27539.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> It seems that my problem has been solved. A simple reboot helped :) Sorry for disturbing you guys! And thanks anyway :) Tanya Tanya wrote: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 00:18:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tanya Subject: RE: [Spambayes] spam is not moved automatically To: spambayes@python.org Here is a copy of the recent log file. I played a little with the SpamBayes trying to make it work, so the log file is a bit stuffed... Thanks, Tanya Tony Meyer wrote: > I have the following problem: > I've installed the SpamBayes, performed learning, > checked "Enable SpamBayes" and selected all actions > as "move". But incoming spam letters are not moved > automatically to the spam folder... SpamBayes removes > these letters only if I run it manually ("Filter Now" dialog). Would you be able to send us a copy of your most recent log file? If something's going wrong with the filtering, it should have more detailed information about what it is. =Tony Meyer --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040106/b9243800/attachment.html From Rtssrq at cs.com Tue Jan 6 11:12:47 2004 From: Rtssrq at cs.com (Rtssrq@cs.com) Date: Tue Jan 6 11:15:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] emptying Message-ID: emptied spam file. now can't get it to re-start, when it works it is marvelous. log: Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\Ron\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db' Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\Ron\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db' Bayes database initialized with 1806 spam and 37 good messages SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.81 (September 9, 2003) starting (with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003)) on Windows 5.1.2600 (Service Pack 1) using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug 6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox NOTE: Skipping deleted folder ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Do you live in Bradenton?' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Smith Ronald Ted, Refinance Now - lock in 3.9% Bradenton rates' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Stay thin all season with Miracleburn' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Are you tired of your boss?' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Ronald Ted, Attention: Quality Extended Warranty ' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Message 'southwest.com Systemwide Savings, January 6, 2004' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Fwd: Best Source V|@gra, Val?(u)m, X(a)n@x Diet Pills Any Meds rcep wh h' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Easy Auto Loan' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'CANADA - Deals, Discounts and Freebies for Canadians' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Re: administrator was lying zwmwcneqkadxbsom rm' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Tired of Running to the Post Office' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Blue Mountain Resort Contest Prizes 7-day Trip, Skis, Snowboards, Seasons Pass' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Ronald Ted, End late & overlimit fees' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Ronald Ted, Extend Your Auto Warranty, Extend Your Peace of Mind.' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Message 'Re: the dream that toandbewq' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Ready to Move?' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Ronald Ted, Amazing Debt Solutions - Free Info' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Ronald Ted Smith, 30 year Rates at Record Lows in Bradenton' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Ronald Ted, Extended Auto Warranties - Skip the Dealer' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Message 'Free Box of Chocolates with Any Order' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Re:Real Estate Millions fpes wk hdhwdwzx' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Smith Ronald Ted, Tallevast vicinity-5.03% - Waiting can cost you thousands' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Dog Lovers ' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Message 'What every small business needs 3 anr ' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' Message 'HELPING CHURCHES x oihd qcihn' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' Message 'great feeling' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Fwd: Save Big on V|@gra,Val?(u)m,X(a)n@x Diet Pills lots of Meds zdjagbmlm yssftgd' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Fwd: Got Pills? V|@gra, Val?(u)m, X(a)n@x DieT pILLS Many Meds zwvifclgqafzxm gyvr' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Message 'greeting cards' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Ronald Ted, Extended Auto Warranties - Skip the Dealer' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Re: i am happy opufa ' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Message '-2147221233' had a Spam classification of 'No' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Ronald Ted, Buy direct and save hundreds on your auto warranty!' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Message 'We Miss You!' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Fwd: V|@gra, Val?(u)m, X(a)n@x.Diet Pills Any meds Low Cost pml hp' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Smith Ronald Ted, 30 Second Mortgage Quote Here' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Accept credit cards from your customers!' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message '1.75% Jumbo loans for consolidation' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'L.o.s.e Weight, Feel Y.o.u.n.g.e.r and Look Great' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'bestial boom codomain' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Message 'PW Newsline for Monday, January 5, 2004' had a Spam classification of 'No' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Fresh Greetings Of The Month!' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Ronald Ted Smith, Hurry - These 4.9% Fl rates wont last' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Message '' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Fwd: V|@gra, Val?(u)m, X(a)n@x Diet Pills Get any Meds Cheap q z' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Message 'New Stock Profile! (symbol:ELIN) Watch This Stock Trade' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' Message 'PW Daily for Booksellers (Monday, January 5, 2004)' had a Spam classification of 'No' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Ronald Ted, Extend your auto warranty to save on repairs' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Get rid of all your old junk, and make some money!' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Order Reliable Online Prescription Medication' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Ink for your Printer - We Pay All US Shipping' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Processing 51 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 8956.06ms Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 0.389156ms Error finding the MAPI folders for a folder switch event Traceback (most recent call last): File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1063, in OnFolderSwitch File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 337, in GetFolder NotFoundException: NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a Training on message 'Do you live in Bradenton?' - trained as good Training on message 'Smith Ronald Ted, Refinance Now - lock in 3.9% Bradenton rates' - trained as good Training on message 'Stay thin all season with Miracleburn' - trained as good Training on message 'Are you tired of your boss?' - trained as good Training on message 'Ronald Ted, Attention: Quality Extended Warranty ' - trained as good ERROR: 'You must configure the Spam folder' Traceback (most recent call last): File "out1.pyz/addin", line 607, in OnClick File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 337, in GetFolder NotFoundException: NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a Training on message 'Fwd: Best Source V|@gra, Val?(u)m, X(a)n@x Diet Pills Any Meds rcep wh h' - trained as good Training on message 'Easy Auto Loan' - trained as good Training on message 'CANADA - Deals, Discounts and Freebies for Canadians' - trained as good Training on message 'Re: administrator was lying zwmwcneqkadxbsom rm' - trained as good Training on message 'Tired of Running to the Post Office' - trained as good Training on message 'Blue Mountain Resort Contest Prizes 7-day Trip, Skis, Snowboards, Seasons Pass' - trained as good Training on message 'Ronald Ted, End late & overlimit fees' - trained as good Training on message 'Ronald Ted, Extend Your Auto Warranty, Extend Your Peace of Mind.' - trained as good Training on message 'Ready to Move?' - trained as good Training on message 'Ronald Ted, Amazing Debt Solutions - Free Info' - trained as good Training on message 'Ronald Ted Smith, 30 year Rates at Record Lows in Bradenton' - trained as good Training on message 'Ronald Ted, Extended Auto Warranties - Skip the Dealer' - trained as good Training on message 'Re:Real Estate Millions fpes wk hdhwdwzx' - trained as good Training on message 'Smith Ronald Ted, Tallevast vicinity-5.03% - Waiting can cost you thousands' - trained as good Training on message 'Dog Lovers ' - trained as good ERROR: 'You must configure the Spam folder' Traceback (most recent call last): File "out1.pyz/addin", line 607, in OnClick File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 337, in GetFolder NotFoundException: NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a Training on message 'Fwd: Save Big on V|@gra,Val?(u)m,X(a)n@x Diet Pills lots of Meds zdjagbmlm yssftgd' - trained as good Training on message 'Fwd: Got Pills? V|@gra, Val?(u)m, X(a)n@x DieT pILLS Many Meds zwvifclgqafzxm gyvr' - trained as good Training on message 'Ronald Ted, Extended Auto Warranties - Skip the Dealer' - trained as good Training on message 'Re: i am happy opufa ' - trained as good Training on message 'Ronald Ted, Buy direct and save hundreds on your auto warranty!' - trained as good Traceback (most recent call last): File "out1.pyz/dialogs.dlgcore", line 310, in OnCommand File "out1.pyz/dialogs.dlgcore", line 262, in ApplyHandlingOptionValueError File "out1.pyz/dialogs.processors", line 76, in OnCommand File "out1.pyz/dialogs.dialog_map", line 322, in OnClicked File "out1.pyz/dialogs", line 64, in ShowWizard File "out1.pyz/config_wizard", line 142, in CreateWizardConfig File "out1.pyz/config_wizard", line 54, in InitWizardConfig File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 337, in GetFolder msgstore.NotFoundException: NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\Ron\Application Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini Training on message 'Fwd: V|@gra, Val?(u)m, X(a)n@x.Diet Pills Any meds Low Cost pml hp' - trained as good Training on message 'Smith Ronald Ted, 30 Second Mortgage Quote Here' - trained as good Training on message 'Accept credit cards from your customers!' - trained as good ERROR: 'You must configure the Spam folder' Traceback (most recent call last): File "out1.pyz/addin", line 607, in OnClick File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 337, in GetFolder NotFoundException: NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a Training on message '1.75% Jumbo loans for consolidation' - trained as good Training on message 'L.o.s.e Weight, Feel Y.o.u.n.g.e.r and Look Great' - trained as good Training on message 'bestial boom codomain' - trained as good Training on message 'Fresh Greetings Of The Month!' - trained as good Training on message 'Ronald Ted Smith, Hurry - These 4.9% Fl rates wont last' - trained as good Training on message 'Fwd: V|@gra, Val?(u)m, X(a)n@x Diet Pills Get any Meds Cheap q z' - trained as good Training on message 'Ronald Ted, Extend your auto warranty to save on repairs' - trained as good Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\Ron\Application Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini Training on message 'Get rid of all your old junk, and make some money!' - trained as good ERROR: 'You must enable SpamBayes before you can delete as spam' Training on message 'Order Reliable Online Prescription Medication' - trained as good Training on message 'Ink for your Printer - We Pay All US Shipping' - trained as good Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\Ron\Application Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini ERROR: 'You must configure the Spam folder' Traceback (most recent call last): File "out1.pyz/addin", line 607, in OnClick File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 337, in GetFolder NotFoundException: NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a TabProcessor Done Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\Ron\Application Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini ERROR: 'You must configure the Spam folder' Traceback (most recent call last): File "out1.pyz/addin", line 607, in OnClick File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 337, in GetFolder NotFoundException: NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJ ECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a Error finding the MAPI folders for a folder switch event Traceback (most recent call last): File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1063, in OnFolderSwitch File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 337, in GetFolder NotFoundException: NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a Message 'Online degree programs for busy adults' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' Message 'Has Your Credit Card Debt Got You Frustrated?' had a Spam classification of 'No' Message 'Your Order is Confirmed' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' Error finding the MAPI folders for a folder switch event Traceback (most recent call last): File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1063, in OnFolderSwitch File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 337, in GetFolder NotFoundException: NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a Error finding the MAPI folders for a folder switch event Traceback (most recent call last): File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1063, in OnFolderSwitch File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 337, in GetFolder NotFoundException: NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a Unexpected MAPI error saving the spam score for NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a Message 're: Black Roots ' had a Spam classification of 'No' Message 're: Black Roots ' had a Spam classification of 'No' Error finding the MAPI folders for a folder switch event Traceback (most recent call last): File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1063, in OnFolderSwitch File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 337, in GetFolder NotFoundException: NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'The Internet's Best Choice For Prescriptions . ' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Training on message 'The Internet's Best Choice For Prescriptions . ' - trained as good Message 'Bradenton ALERT: XV15F% available as of 1/6/04' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' Message 'Your Visa Card Approval Confirmation' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' Message 'Easy Auto Loans' had a Spam classification of 'No' ERROR: 'You must configure the Spam folder' Traceback (most recent call last): File "out1.pyz/addin", line 607, in OnClick File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 337, in GetFolder NotFoundException: NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a Message 'Re:Homes for half off scdg zkw mts x' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Overdue Notice' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Training on message 'Overdue Notice' - trained as good Error finding the MAPI folders for a folder switch event Traceback (most recent call last): File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1063, in OnFolderSwitch File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 337, in GetFolder NotFoundException: NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a Error finding the MAPI folders for a folder switch event Traceback (most recent call last): File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1063, in OnFolderSwitch File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 337, in GetFolder NotFoundException: NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a Message 'Links to books' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040106/35e49b86/attachment-0001.html From kennypitt at hotmail.com Tue Jan 6 11:23:59 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Tue Jan 6 11:24:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] emptying In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Looks like you probably deleted your Spam folder instead of just deleting all the messages in the folder. See FAQ 3.13 for procedures to fix that. http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam -folder -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Rtssrq@cs.com Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 11:13 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] emptying emptied spam file. now can't get it to re-start, when it works it is marvelous. log: Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\Ron\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db' Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\Ron\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db' Bayes database initialized with 1806 spam and 37 good messages SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.81 (September 9, 2003) starting (with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003)) on Windows 5.1.2600 (Service Pack 1) using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug 6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox NOTE: Skipping deleted folder ERROR: Unable to open the folder to Move the message - this message was not moved Message 'Do you live in Bradenton?' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040106/3efd2079/attachment.html From hsparrow at pmassoc.com Tue Jan 6 12:26:00 2004 From: hsparrow at pmassoc.com (Harry Sparrow) Date: Tue Jan 6 12:26:06 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help please Message-ID: I inadvertently deleted my Junk Mail Suspects folder and have not been able to figure out how to reinstate it. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thank you. Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040106/a1064e3d/attachment.html From skip at pobox.com Tue Jan 6 12:39:22 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue Jan 6 12:39:33 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16378.62154.324120.443835@montanaro.dyndns.org> Harry> I inadvertently deleted my Junk Mail Suspects folder and have not Harry> been able to figure out how to reinstate it. Can anyone point me Harry> in the right direction? Thank you. Sure. FAQ 3.13: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam-folder Skip From spambayes at whateley.com Tue Jan 6 14:42:55 2004 From: spambayes at whateley.com (Brendon Whateley) Date: Tue Jan 6 14:42:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Strange ProxyUI problem? Message-ID: <200401061142.55209.spambayes@whateley.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Geniuses, I've occasionally complained (or at least alluded to) a problem when training sb_server using the web interface. The problem has the symptom of getting more than one days defects listed in the review page, mixed with finding no messages to review and similar strange date related problems. The reason I classified the problem as strange was that I've not seen any other reports of this type of problem... So, I finally borrowed 10 minutes to learn python and dig into the problem: In _buildReviewKeys in ProxyUI.py, the array returned by state.unknownCorpus.keys() is not sorted in any particular order. This leads to allKeys[-1] returning unpredictable starting dates instead of the latest date. It also violates the assumptions required to use bisect() on the keys. I solve my problem by adding an "allKeys.sort()" after getting the keys. I assume that the keys are expected to be in order? This also probably explains why I can't (usually) use any of the query functionality on the home page? It often returned the "message may have been deleted" message. The things I am doing that may qualify as "not typical": 1) I'm running from CVS. 2) I'm running on Linux. 3) I expire messages in the cache after a VERY long time. 4) I almost never "forget" any messages AND only train on unsures/mistakes and none extreme correctly classified stuff. Hence I have over a months worth of web pages available for review. Any thoughts before I create a defect and/or patch, etc. Thanks, Brendon. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBP/oA0ZuupqACStRwEQIxjACgw3E3ozBIlflyp91FlBPik7j/Az8AoOHE mrROfV7j+WCv8jqeu3pR3x1s =41zR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From skip at pobox.com Tue Jan 6 16:25:27 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue Jan 6 16:25:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Strange ProxyUI problem? In-Reply-To: <200401061142.55209.spambayes@whateley.com> References: <200401061142.55209.spambayes@whateley.com> Message-ID: <16379.10183.358386.832176@montanaro.dyndns.org> Brendon> So, I finally borrowed 10 minutes to learn python and dig into Brendon> the problem: QOTW if ever I saw one. ;-) Brendon> In _buildReviewKeys in ProxyUI.py, the array returned by Brendon> state.unknownCorpus.keys() is not sorted in any particular Brendon> order. This leads to allKeys[-1] returning unpredictable Brendon> starting dates instead of the latest date. It also violates Brendon> the assumptions required to use bisect() on the keys. I solve Brendon> my problem by adding an "allKeys.sort()" after getting the Brendon> keys. Brendon> I assume that the keys are expected to be in order? Yeah, kind of looks like it. I would submit a bug report to SF and assign it to Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin). Skip From dwallen at missinglink.com Tue Jan 6 23:55:38 2004 From: dwallen at missinglink.com (Dennis Allen) Date: Tue Jan 6 23:55:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes old and new Message-ID: I first heard about SpamBayes through an article in Infoworld, I believe. That was a few months ago. I downloaded that version onto my Win2K machine at that time, and it was absolutely awesome. Almost all spam was routed to either the Spam or suspected Spam folder. Since then, my Win2K machine has died, and I have installed the latest SpamBayes versions on 2-3 new WinXP systems, one using Home, and 2 using Pro. With the newer versions of SpamBayes (or maybe it's due to Win XP), no matter what I do, most spam ends up in my Inbox. (All of the above machines used Outlook 2000, with whatever Service Packs were available at the time.) Am I just doing something wrong? What once appeared to be an incredible A+ program, now appears to be a C- at best. Sorry if this email sounds negative. I'm just trying to understand what may have changed. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 7 00:26:53 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 7 00:27:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Baes Question In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499CB87@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777ED@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > > Note that this may change in future versions, as apparently this > > 'keeping track' behaviour is confusing <0.5 wink>. > Confusing or not, I hope you don't change that. Even if it's replaced with 'keeping track' by name, instead? At the moment, if you delete your spam folder, then create a new one in the same place with the same name, Outlook and therefore SpamBayes know that it's not the same, and so SpamBayes doesn't use it. Under the proposed new scheme, it would, because all it cared about was what the name was. OTOH, if you renamed your spam folder, you'd have to change the SpamBayes settings to match. It would be good to get more feedback about how people feel about this. It's certainly not going to be done by the next release, anyway. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 7 00:31:24 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 7 00:31:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes old and new In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499CD25@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777EE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Since then, my Win2K machine has died, and I have installed > the latest SpamBayes versions on 2-3 new WinXP systems, one > using Home, and 2 using Pro. With the newer versions of > SpamBayes (or maybe it's due to Win XP), no matter what I do, > most spam ends up in my Inbox. You say "most", not "all", so I assume that some spam, at least, is being correctly filtered? (In other words, the problem isn't that the program isn't working, it's that the results aren't satisfactory.) If that's not the case, let us know, and we can try and figure out what the problem is (the log files help, a lot). Basically SpamBayes works as well as you train it. How has the training you've done on the newer machines differed from the old? Do you have a roughly even balance of ham and spam training data? How many ham and spam messages have you trained? If you look at the spam clues for false negatives, can you see *why* they have been classified as ham? =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 7 01:06:49 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 7 01:06:53 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Strange ProxyUI problem? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499CC62@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A35@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [Skip] > Yeah, kind of looks like it. I would submit a bug report to > SF and assign it to Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin). I was going to say "hmrph! Why me?", but then I looked at it and figured out that I introduced the bug... Anyway, I've checked in the fix, thanks! =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 7 01:20:14 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 7 01:20:21 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] a server-side filter based on spambayes In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499CA73@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777F1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I'm working on a server-side anti-spam filter based on > spambayes, codenamed TUGAST. I've added mention of this to the 'related projects' page on our website; let me know if you'd like the wording changed. No comments apart from that, though, apart from 'good luck' :) =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 7 01:25:49 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 7 01:25:56 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Why doesn't it filter automatically every time Ireceive mail? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499C4FC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777F2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Check it out, let me know if you can figure anything out for me. [in log] > exceptions.AssertionError: No delay means no timer! Hmm. This says that you're trying to use a timer (the 'background filtering' feature), but have set the timer value(s) to 0. I tried this here, and the log gave me a different (nicer) message than this, and I think it still worked (just with the timer off), but I suspect that this could be something that Mark has fixed since the last release. In any case, this should be fixable simply by going into the "Advanced" tab of the SpamBayes Manager dialog and changing the timer values to be non-zero. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 7 01:30:06 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 7 01:30:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Having a problem with Spambayes In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499C62A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777F3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I go into the dialog box, define filters, > browse to find the Spam and Possible Spam folders > but when I click OK it goes back to the dialog > box and the folders are not accepted. It still > says "undefined folder". > Hate to be a pain in the butt. What am I doing wrong????? Hmm, not sure. What does your log file have in it? Maybe there's something odd about these folders? Otherwise, you could try removing/renaming your configuration file (in the data directory, called [profilename].ini, or Outlook.ini) - this will wipe clean your configuration (not any training, though) and might allow a fresh start. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies, and don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. By sending to the list, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 7 01:34:39 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 7 01:34:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Can't get spambayes to start In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499CADD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A36@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > All I did was follow the instructions for downloading and > then going thru the start up wizard to get the program going. > It appeared go thru the wizard with no problems, but when I > opened my email, nothing happened. By "nothing happened", do you mean that the toolbar didn't get added? Or that mail wasn't filtered? Are you sure that you went through the wizard completely? The log did have a "cancel" message. If you do have the toolbar there, can you access items on it? If you can, go to the Manager and see what the status message there says (it might be something like "you need to train more"). > I wasn't able to open up spambayes in order to start training > it. I thought that using the start up wizard would enable > it, so am I missing something? What do you mean "open up" spambayes? Do you mean that clicking the SpamBayes button on the toolbar doesn't have any effect? If that's the case, it's very odd that the log doesn't have something more about that. If you don't mean that, I'm lost and you'll have to help me out more. If you do go through the wizard completely *and* do training, then it is enabled, yes. The log messages didn't indicate that that was the case, though. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies, and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. By sending to the list, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 7 01:36:40 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 7 01:37:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with selecting all needed inboxes In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499C977@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777F5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > with Outlook XP and SpamBayes 008.1 everything worked fine. I > then installed Office 2003 and now I have the "obscure > problem", described in the release notes. The release notes describe these being fixed . You've probably got some other ones. > Besides my own > mailbox I open other mailboxes and want to filter their > inboxes as well. In the folder selector I can only open the > folder list of my own mailbox, not from others. Klicking on > the + does nothing. What does your log file have in it? Folders aren't shown if they aren't available, for some reason (for example, I used to have a 'dead' folder, which didn't get displayed). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies, and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. By sending to the list, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 7 01:39:26 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 7 01:39:31 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] python 2.3 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499C9ED@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777F6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I'm trying to run spambayes (source from cvs a while back, > mid-december) with Python 2.3.3 and it fails with the > following error when I try to filter with it: > > Traceback (most recent call last): [...] > "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", > line 38, in _scoremsg > return self.bayes.spamprob(tokenize(msg), evidence) > AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'spamprob' Sorry about the delay - I was hoping that someone more familiar with sb_filter would answer first. Did this happen after a cvs-up, or just at some random point? There have been various changes in the way the database gets opened over the last month, but AFAICT they would all hit you the first time you tried to use it after a cvs-up (and if sf is working for you again, should all be fixed now). Are you able to use your database file with any of the other scripts? (It looks like it's not opening it properly, for some reason). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies, and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. By sending to the list, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 7 01:43:23 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 7 01:43:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] POP3Proxy freeze In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499CB31@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777F7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I use SpamBayes under GNU and I usually let my session open all the > day, with the POP3 proxy launched in a terminal. > > Sometimes, it eventually freezes, eg do not reply to HTTP and POP3 > requests. There is no error output on the terminal. I have to > kill it and start it again. Does this happen at any particular point? There's at least one bug that has been fixed (in cvs) since 1.0a7 that could be the cause of this, but IIRC that one gets triggered if you close the browser in the middle of training. If it always happened while checking mail, or training, or something, then it would be easier to direct you to some sort of diagnostics. If it really just happens randomly, then the only thing I can think of is to enable verbose output and see if the most recent output is always the same. (To enable verbose output add [globals] verbose:True To your configuration file.) =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies, and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. By sending to the list, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 7 01:47:36 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 7 01:47:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes not working In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13048D7E89@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777F8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > > My original message said that I get an error message box pop > > up every time I open Outlook. The message box says that > > SpamBayes has been disabled and needs to be reenabled and > > Outlook restarted. Every time I reenable SpamBayes, it still > > gets disabled. > Most recent log below: > > ERROR: 'There was an error initializing the Spam > plugin.\r\n\r\nSpam filtering has been disabled. Please > re-configure\r\nand re-enable this plugin\r\n\r\nError > details:\r\nCould not watch the specified folders' Traceback > (most recent call last): > File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1237, in FiltersChanged > File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1248, in UpdateFolderHooks > File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1273, in _HookFolderEvents > File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 539, in GetOutlookItem > File > "win32com/gen_py\00062FFF-0000-0000-C000-000000000046x0x9x0\_N > ameSpace.py", line 50, in GetFolderFromID Hmm. I think this says that it can't get hold of one of the folders that it's supposed to watch. I know you said that you tried reconfiguring SpamBayes, but have you tried reconfiguring from scratch? (renaming the [profilename].ini or Outlook.ini file in the data directory and then reconfiguring?). Otherwise, do you watch a lot of folders? It might be one in particular that's causing trouble - you could try removing all but one and seeing if that makes any difference. Or try using a difference folder for spam/unsure, to see if that changes anything. If none of this helps, all I've got to suggest, sorry, is that you open a bug report on sourceforge (http://sf.net/projects/spambayes) with the log file that you sent me and as many details as possible, and I'm sure Mark will look into it when he has a chance (he has a better hope than I do of figuring out what it is). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies, and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. By sending to the list, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From wk at klenner.at Wed Jan 7 03:20:06 2004 From: wk at klenner.at (Wilhelm Klenner) Date: Wed Jan 7 03:20:14 2004 Subject: WG: [Spambayes] Problem with selecting all needed inboxes Message-ID: > > with Outlook XP and SpamBayes 008.1 everything worked fine. I > > then installed Office 2003 and now I have the "obscure > > problem", described in the release notes. > > The release notes describe these being fixed . You've > probably got > some other ones. Okay, you got me. I'm certain that it is another problem :-) > > > Besides my own > > mailbox I open other mailboxes and want to filter their > > inboxes as well. In the folder selector I can only open the > > folder list of my own mailbox, not from others. Klicking on > > the + does nothing. > > What does your log file have in it? Folders aren't shown if > they aren't > available, for some reason (for example, I used to have a > 'dead' folder, > which didn't get displayed). > The logfile says something about errors, I hope it is OK that I attach the file. I just reinstalled the addin to be sure to have the actual messages. After installing the message "Error loading configuration ..." appears and I see, that the field "Filtering the following folders" is empty. I click on browse and there I see all the mailboxes I open beside my own. This is office, administrator, help, Andrea Klenner and Leads. These are not folders, these are mailboxes that I open in addition to my own (maybe there is a difference to your problem stated above). I see these mailboxes but if I click on the +sign to get the list of the folders in the box, the first time I do so, the cursor turns to busy for a second; if I click this Mailbox again, nothing happens. The only two items that I can open are my own mailbox (there I checked the inbox) and the public folders. I have Windows XP with all of the available Service-Packs, Hotfixes and everything else that comes with the Windows Update, Office 2003 with also all the updates via the Office-update site. And as you can see in the logfile I am a Wiener and all of my M$-software is in german. Thanks again, WiKl > =Tony Meyer > > --- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your > replies, and > please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. By > sending to the list, > you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: spambayes1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 4424 bytes Desc: spambayes1.log Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040107/ca78a07e/spambayes1.obj From beuc at beuc.net Wed Jan 7 06:51:58 2004 From: beuc at beuc.net (Sylvain Beucler) Date: Wed Jan 7 06:52:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] POP3Proxy freeze References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777F7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <20040107113432.GE4188@wolf.unice.fr> Message-ID: <20040107115158.GE4821@wolf.unice.fr> [It would be nice if 'Reply-to' was set to spambayes@python.org] > > I use SpamBayes under GNU and I usually let my session open all the > > day, with the POP3 proxy launched in a terminal. > > > > Sometimes, it eventually freezes, eg do not reply to HTTP and POP3 > > requests. There is no error output on the terminal. I have to > > kill it and start it again. > > Does this happen at any particular point? There's at least one bug > that has > been fixed (in cvs) since 1.0a7 that could be the cause of this, but > IIRC > that one gets triggered if you close the browser in the middle of > training. No particular point. I usually look at my mail client and surprised there is still no mail. Then I try to connect to the web interface and find it is frozen. It never happened when it is checking mails. > (To enable verbose output add > [globals] > verbose:True > To your configuration file.) I'll try that and report any consistent error message. From anthony at interlink.com.au Wed Jan 7 07:29:55 2004 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Wed Jan 7 07:29:53 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] bayesian reference... Message-ID: <200401071229.i07CTtCX023790@localhost.localdomain> Rob Malouf sent me this reference as an early reference to Bayesian text classifiers. M. E. Maron. 1961. "Automatic indexing: An experimental inquiry." Journal of the ACM (JACM). 8(3):404-417. I've not been able to find this online. If it is available, is it worth having a "background to the background" with papers like this referenced? Any other nominations for useful papers to list? -- Anthony Baxter It's never too late to have a happy childhood. From anthony at interlink.com.au Wed Jan 7 07:50:17 2004 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Wed Jan 7 07:50:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: bayesian reference... Message-ID: <200401071250.i07CoHnW024034@localhost.localdomain> Poking around in google a bit, I found that the book INFORMATION RETRIEVAL, by C. J. van RIJSBERGEN has it's full text available at http://sherlock.berkeley.edu/IS205/IR_CJVR/Preface.html Chapter 6, on probabilistic methods, seems to be more or less relevant as background reading... -- Anthony Baxter It's never too late to have a happy childhood. From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Wed Jan 7 08:10:29 2004 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Wed Jan 7 08:10:34 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: SpamBayes old and new Message-ID: I've been having a superficially similar problem on my XP Pro machines. Spambayes will catch a lot of spam but leave a lot in the Inbox. So I tell it to filter again, looking only at those messages that haven't been filtered before. That makes it catch some more spam messages, sometimes as many as twenty. So it appears that something is happening in the first scan that makes filtering shut down prematurely. I don't use the new "background" filtering; in an Exchange environment I don't need it. So that's not the source of the problem. These used to be W2K machines. I don't remember seeing this particular problem then, but I wasn't really looking for it either. The mail client is Outlook 2000 (using an Exchange server), both before and after the conversion. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Allen [mailto:dwallen@missinglink.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 11:56 PM > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes old and new > > > I first heard about SpamBayes through an article in Infoworld, I believe. > That was a few months ago. I downloaded that version onto my Win2K machine > at that time, and it was absolutely awesome. Almost all spam was routed to > either the Spam or suspected Spam folder. > > Since then, my Win2K machine has died, and I have installed the latest > SpamBayes versions on 2-3 new WinXP systems, one using Home, and 2 using > Pro. With the newer versions of SpamBayes (or maybe it's due to Win XP), no > matter what I do, most spam ends up in my Inbox. (All of the above machines > used Outlook 2000, with whatever Service Packs were available at the time.) > > Am I just doing something wrong? What once appeared to be an incredible A+ > program, now appears to be a C- at best. > > Sorry if this email sounds negative. I'm just trying to understand what may > have changed. From lebel at lebel.org Wed Jan 7 09:22:20 2004 From: lebel at lebel.org (David Lebel) Date: Wed Jan 7 09:23:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] python 2.3 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777F6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499C9ED@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777F6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <20040107142220.GJ21492@lebel.org> Quoting Tony Meyer (tameyer@ihug.co.nz): > Did this happen after a cvs-up, or just at some random point? There have > been various changes in the way the database gets opened over the last > month, but AFAICT they would all hit you the first time you tried to use it > after a cvs-up (and if sf is working for you again, should all be fixed > now). I did a cvs update yesterday and ran up with the same problem. I could mail you my hammiedb file, if that could help. > Are you able to use your database file with any of the other scripts? (It > looks like it's not opening it properly, for some reason). I must confess I didn't try any other scripts. I mostly only use sb_filter.py. I just did a run with sb_mboxtrain.py, and here is the result: $ python2.3 /usr/local/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py -n -d ~/.hammiedb -s ~/mail/junk/spam Training spam (/home/lebel/mail/junk/spam): Reading /home/lebel/mail/junk/spam/cur as Maildir Trained 0 out of 1313 messages Reading /home/lebel/mail/junk/spam/new as Maildir Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 345, in ? main() File "/usr/local/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 336, in main train(h, s, True, force, trainnew, removetrained) File "/usr/local/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 264, in train removetrained) File "/usr/local/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 137, in maildir_train if not msg_train(h, msg, is_spam, force): File "/usr/local/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 102, in msg_train h.train(msg, is_spam) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 160, in train self.bayes.learn(tokenize(msg), is_spam) AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'learn'. That's what I get. Anything else I could do to pin point the issue? Ciao, ...David -- // david lebel // // http://www.lebel.org/ http://www.nobiaze.com/ // // pgp: 3633 6999 D47E 73ED 099F 4341 08A4 8E48 EF56 61D1 // From skip at pobox.com Wed Jan 7 09:36:10 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Wed Jan 7 09:37:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: bayesian reference... In-Reply-To: <200401071250.i07CoHnW024034@localhost.localdomain> References: <200401071250.i07CoHnW024034@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <16380.6490.552781.218027@montanaro.dyndns.org> Anthony> Poking around in google a bit, I found that the book Anthony> INFORMATION RETRIEVAL, by C. J. van RIJSBERGEN has it's full Anthony> text available at Anthony> http://sherlock.berkeley.edu/IS205/IR_CJVR/Preface.html Anthony> Chapter 6, on probabilistic methods, seems to be more or less Anthony> relevant as background reading... I'd go ahead and cite the paper and book with a link to the book chapter from the paper's reference. Skip From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Wed Jan 7 09:40:57 2004 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Wed Jan 7 09:41:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Baes Question Message-ID: Yes, even if it's replaced with keeping track by name. I think the Outlook plugin should behave just the way Outlook does; otherwise it causes more confusion than it eliminates. A high percentage of the difficulties I encounter with third-party software arise from the developers' failure to follow Windows' user interface paradigm, either because they were too lazy (or didn't understand it very well) or because they thought they had a better idea. In some cases, maybe they did have a better idea, but adherence to known standards is usually of more value to the user. The One Good Thing Bill Gates has done for the industry is to provide a set of interface standards that users can learn to recognize, but its value depends on developers actually following it. The proposed change obviously reflects the rather high volume of "Why can't I find my spam folder?" queries. But these questions come mostly from newbies who didn't bother to read the FAQ, and they probably don't know Outlook very well either. Those users are going to be in trouble either way, and their problems with Spambayes may be dwarfed by other things they don't understand. If you follow the Windows standards, then the more a user learns about Outlook, the more (not less) sense the Spambayes implementation will make. Entirely aside from the above, it should be easier to go with the Outlook flow than to buck it. If you do go to keeping track by name, I'll bet you end up having to wring some subtle bugs out of the code. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:27 AM > To: Coe, Bob; spambayes@Python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Spam Baes Question > > > > > Note that this may change in future versions, as apparently this > > > 'keeping track' behaviour is confusing <0.5 wink>. > > > > Confusing or not, I hope you don't change that. > > Even if it's replaced with 'keeping track' by name, instead? At the moment, > if you delete your spam folder, then create a new one in the same place with > the same name, Outlook and therefore SpamBayes know that it's not the same, > and so SpamBayes doesn't use it. Under the proposed new scheme, it would, > because all it cared about was what the name was. OTOH, if you renamed your > spam folder, you'd have to change the SpamBayes settings to match. > > It would be good to get more feedback about how people feel about this. > It's certainly not going to be done by the next release, anyway. > > =Tony Meyer From dochiel212 at lionrhod.com Wed Jan 7 10:07:08 2004 From: dochiel212 at lionrhod.com (Lionrhod) Date: Wed Jan 7 10:07:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] can't read localhost Message-ID: <200401071007080904.004C2222@65.18.200.62> Hi! I'm hoping someone can help me. I've just tried to setup spambayes on my computer. I followed the instructions in the readme file, however when I try to go to http://localhost:8880 my browser tells me "the connection was refused." I'm a programming dummy, so maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I don't have the slightest what. I downloaded the latest version of python, set that up, downloaded spambayes-1.0a7.zip and ran python setup.py and pop3proxy_service.py (I am running xp). Each of those programs briefly opened a dos window and then disappeared. Then I configured my email to localhost and tried to go to localhost:8880. No dice. I use calypso for mail and I'm trying very hard to not change over to outlook express. (Since that would mean a massive amount of confusion in my mailboxes) It's possible that spambayes just doesn't work with calypso, but I think the problem is something else - maybe localhost:8880 isn't right for my machine? Thanks much for any help you can provide, Lion From beuc at beuc.net Wed Jan 7 10:17:37 2004 From: beuc at beuc.net (Sylvain Beucler) Date: Wed Jan 7 10:17:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] POP3Proxy freeze References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777F7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <20040107113432.GE4188@wolf.unice.fr> <20040107115158.GE4821@wolf.unice.fr> Message-ID: <20040107151737.GA5065@wolf.unice.fr> Le 2004.01.07 12:51, Sylvain Beucler a ?crit?: >>> I use SpamBayes under GNU and I usually let my session open all >>> the day, with the POP3 proxy launched in a terminal. >>> >>> Sometimes, it eventually freezes, eg do not reply to HTTP and POP3 >>> requests. There is no error output on the terminal. I have to >>> kill it and start it again. >> >> Does this happen at any particular point? There's at least one bug >> that has >> been fixed (in cvs) since 1.0a7 that could be the cause of this, but >> IIRC >> that one gets triggered if you close the browser in the middle of >> training. After some more testing, it seems to freeze during mail retreiving (I automatically check my mailboxes each 10mn). The last verbose output is allways something like: Flushing 1073289024 from corpus cache and when I C-c spambayes, the stack trace is always: Traceback (most recent call last): File "sb_server.py", line 832, in ? run() File "sb_server.py", line 826, in run start(state=state) File "sb_server.py", line 766, in start main(state.servers, state.proxyPorts, state.uiPort, state.launchUI) File "sb_server.py", line 747, in main Dibbler.run(launchBrowser=launchUI) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 689, in run asyncore.loop(map=context._map) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py", line 205, in loop poll_fun (timeout, map) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py", line 83, in poll r,w,e = select.select (r,w,e, timeout) I currently check 4 mail accounts with spam bayes, and my configuration is somewhat special since I have 3 accounts on the same distant pop3 server - and thus I only created 2 SpamBayes 'proxies' eventually, on port 1110 and 1111, to pop.libertysurf.fr and pop3.beuc.net respectively. Could this cause the problem when I check the 3 libertysurf accounts in a row? It does not always happen since Balsa, my mail client, seems to check the mailboxes in a random order, and I have 2 other accounts that I check directly, abthat may cause a necessary pause between 2 libertysurf mail checkings. -- Sylvain From papaDoc at videotron.ca Wed Jan 7 10:17:58 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Wed Jan 7 10:18:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] can't read localhost In-Reply-To: <200401071007080904.004C2222@65.18.200.62> References: <200401071007080904.004C2222@65.18.200.62> Message-ID: <3FFC2326.9080508@videotron.ca> Hi, >I'm hoping someone can help me. I've just tried to setup spambayes on my >computer. I followed the instructions in the readme file, however when I try >to go to http://localhost:8880 my browser tells me "the connection was >refused." > > The program sb_server.py must be running to have something responding to the browser Remi From kennypitt at hotmail.com Wed Jan 7 10:19:39 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Wed Jan 7 10:20:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] can't read localhost In-Reply-To: <200401071007080904.004C2222@65.18.200.62> Message-ID: Lionrhod wrote: > Hi! > > I'm hoping someone can help me. I've just tried to setup spambayes > on my computer. I followed the instructions in the readme file, > however when I try to go to http://localhost:8880 my browser tells me > "the connection was refused." > > I'm a programming dummy, so maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I > don't have the slightest what. I downloaded the latest version of > python, set that up, downloaded spambayes-1.0a7.zip and ran python > setup.py and pop3proxy_service.py (I am running xp). Each of those > programs briefly opened a dos window and then disappeared. Then I > configured my email to localhost and tried to go to localhost:8880. > No dice. Pop3proxy_service requires the win32all package in addition to base Python. Did you install that as well? You say your commands "briefly opened a dos window and then disappeared." Does that mean you used Start/Run to run them? If so, open a command prompt window and execute the commands from the command line and you should be able to see any output that they generate. > I use calypso for mail and I'm trying very hard to not change over to > outlook express. (Since that would mean a massive amount of > confusion in my mailboxes) It's possible that spambayes just doesn't > work with calypso, but I think the problem is something else - maybe > localhost:8880 isn't right for my machine? The POP3 proxy runs as a separate program and does not integrate with a particular mail client. It should work exactly the same for either Calypso or Outlook Express. If you can't use your Web browser to access http://localhost:8880, then the problem definitely has nothing to do with your e-mail client. You mentioned using pop3proxy_service.py, and it sounds like you may not be starting the service properly. pop3proxy_service.py installs a background service instead of running as a simple application. Correct syntax is "python pop3proxy_service.py install" to install it, then use Administrative Tools/Services to start it up or run "python pop3proxy_service.py start". If you want to run as an application instead of a service then use pop3proxy_tray.py instead. You'll probably want to run pop3proxy_tray.py using "pythonw" instead of "python" so that it doesn't leave a command window open. -- Kenny Pitt From gernot.wolfgruber at chello.at Wed Jan 7 10:22:57 2004 From: gernot.wolfgruber at chello.at (Gernot Wolfgruber) Date: Wed Jan 7 10:23:07 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin release 008; fatal error Message-ID: Outlook plugin release 008.1 running on my system (win 2000 professional v.5.00.2195 SP3, MS Outlook 2000) causes fatal system error in damaging the file winnt\system32\Config\System, so that the file cannot be read and the system doesn't start again. I tried it three times and it was always the same. Any idea what it is? Greetings G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040107/85898692/attachment.html From papaDoc at videotron.ca Wed Jan 7 10:51:50 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Wed Jan 7 10:51:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] can't read localhost In-Reply-To: <200401071036310338.006706A4@65.18.200.62> References: <200401071007080904.004C2222@65.18.200.62> <3FFC2326.9080508@videotron.ca> <200401071036310338.006706A4@65.18.200.62> Message-ID: <3FFC2B16.10500@videotron.ca> Hi, >Hi Remi, > >Yeah, I think I am not installing this program properly. > What you can do is go to the start menu and click on "Run". This will give you a command line where you can enter the name of the program you want to run and its argument. (See last mail of Kenny Pitt) >I went to the folder it lives in, double clicked on it, a command window came up and disappeared. >Another user is telling me that this doesn't install the program, but for the >life of me I can't figure out how > Remi From papaDoc at videotron.ca Wed Jan 7 11:13:05 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Wed Jan 7 11:17:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] can't read localhost In-Reply-To: <200401071057410965.007A6A07@65.18.200.62> References: <200401071007080904.004C2222@65.18.200.62> <3FFC2326.9080508@videotron.ca> <200401071036310338.006706A4@65.18.200.62> <3FFC2B16.10500@videotron.ca> <200401071057410965.007A6A07@65.18.200.62> Message-ID: <3FFC3011.8070606@videotron.ca> Hi, >I did that, and it told me that "python is not recognized as and internal or >external command." > > This is not a big problem, maybe the directory where python was installed is not in your path. A simple thing to test. Ttry to find the file "python.exe" and in the "Run" write the complete path. For me this will be "C:/Devtools/Python/Python-2.3.2/python.exe c:/Devtools/spambayes/pop3proxy_tray.py" If this work you can add the path to the environment variable PATH >Not sure what to do with that. > > Remi From kennypitt at hotmail.com Tue Jan 6 12:31:57 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Wed Jan 7 11:46:34 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Try FAQ 3.13. http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam -folder -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Harry Sparrow Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 12:26 PM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Help please I inadvertently deleted my Junk Mail Suspects folder and have not been able to figure out how to reinstate it. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thank you. Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040106/875787dc/attachment.html From darek at bnharch.com Wed Jan 7 11:44:54 2004 From: darek at bnharch.com (Darek Olson) Date: Wed Jan 7 11:52:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Scoring not working Message-ID: <004201c3d53d$93c15c30$6801a8c0@BNH2003001> I have just upgraded SpamBayes and now my scoring is not working on incoming email. The messages that were in my inbox prior to training were assigned a score however new incoming mail and mail in my spam folder do not score correctly. Is there a switch somewhere that I need to turn on? I have created the spam percent filed as directed in the install instructions and it remains blank with new messages. Thanks for your great program it is by far the best spam filter I have used and I have used a lot of them. Keep up the good work!! Darek Olson Project Manager Botesch, Nash & Hall Architects, P.S. 2915 Hewitt Avenue Everett, WA 98201 * (425) 259-0868 7 (425) 252-4334 * darek@bnharch.com PDF File Adobe Reader Download: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040107/124571a5/attachment.html From SD131203 at exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com Wed Jan 7 13:58:02 2004 From: SD131203 at exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com (Dennull, Scott C) Date: Wed Jan 7 13:58:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Installation Error Message-ID: <0D6CE218BF54D211B37F00E0292657F4158D06E6@susdayte03.daytonoh.ncr.com> I have Windows 2000 with Office XP and have been using Spambayes for months. I installed office 2003 including Outlook 2003 and it had a error starting up. It said that I could restart it. After reboot I brought up Outlook 2003 and the SpamBayes toolbar was there but there were no selections under the buttons. I removed Spambayes from my PC and went out and downloaded version 1.08.1. Restarted outlook and the toolbar was still there but no selections. Removed spambayes again and the toolbar, downloaded latest version again but now the is not even a Spambayes toolbar in Outlook 2003. It does seem to want to install. Others installed Office 2003 and had no problem with spambayes restarting fine. How do I get it running in my outlook again? Any help appreciated. Scott Dennull Director, Systems Administration NCR, IT Services SDC - 5 1611 South Main St. Dayton, OH 45479 * phone 937-445-3640 V+ 622-3640 * fax 937-445-0718 V+ 622-0718 * email Scott.Dennull@ncr.com "Treat a man as he is, and he will remain as he is, treat a man as he can and should be and he will become as he can and should be." - Goethe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040107/53d0d55c/attachment.html From Kent.Tegels at hdrinc.com Wed Jan 7 14:14:29 2004 From: Kent.Tegels at hdrinc.com (Tegels, Kent) Date: Wed Jan 7 14:14:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] HELP please! Message-ID: <2368489DC1DAF2488B85739359AD74DE99DCC1@exch2003.intranet.hdr> I'm still trying to get SpamCounts.py to work. When I issue this command: G:\sba>spamcounts.py -d "G:\Documents and Settings\(*omitted*)\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db" --pickle I get this error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "G:\sba\spamcounts.py", line 138, in ? sys.exit(main(sys.argv[1:])) File "G:\sba\spamcounts.py", line 122, in main db = pickle.load(file(dbname)) File "G:\Python23\lib\pickle.py", line 1390, in load return Unpickler(file).load() File "G:\Python23\lib\pickle.py", line 872, in load dispatch[key](self) KeyError: '\x00' Using: ActivePython 2.3.2 Build 232 (ActiveState Corp.) based on Python 2.3.2 (#49, Nov 13 2003, 10:34:54) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] on win32 FWIW, I'm really not interested in doing this on an on-going basis so if somebody would rather fish for me, I'm happy to share whatever files you need. I just want to get the output of this for some research I'm helping our SpaManagers with. Thanks, Kent Tegels, MCDBA, MCSE, MCP+SB Professional Associate Senior Systems Analyst - Corporate Information Services HDR One Company | Many Solutions http://www.hdrinc.com/ It seems easier to get programmers to agree on how to pass a camel through the eye a needle than it is to get them to agree on how many humps it has. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040107/64df33d0/attachment.html From skip at pobox.com Wed Jan 7 15:04:40 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Wed Jan 7 15:04:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] HELP please! In-Reply-To: <2368489DC1DAF2488B85739359AD74DE99DCC1@exch2003.intranet.hdr> References: <2368489DC1DAF2488B85739359AD74DE99DCC1@exch2003.intranet.hdr> Message-ID: <16380.26200.208693.522856@montanaro.dyndns.org> Kent> I'm still trying to get SpamCounts.py to work. When I issue this Kent> command: Kent> G:\sba>spamcounts.py -d "G:\Documents and Settings\(*omitted*)\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db" --pickle Kent> I get this error: Kent> Traceback (most recent call last): Kent> File "G:\sba\spamcounts.py", line 138, in ? Kent> sys.exit(main(sys.argv[1:])) Kent> File "G:\sba\spamcounts.py", line 122, in main Kent> db = pickle.load(file(dbname)) Kent> File "G:\Python23\lib\pickle.py", line 1390, in load Kent> return Unpickler(file).load() Kent> File "G:\Python23\lib\pickle.py", line 872, in load Kent> dispatch[key](self) Kent> KeyError: '\x00' My only offhand suggestion is that perhaps your database isn't really a pickle. What happens if you lose the "--pickle" flag? Skip From lfendrich at colltech.com Wed Jan 7 15:04:41 2004 From: lfendrich at colltech.com (Lawren Fendrich) Date: Wed Jan 7 15:13:24 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes bug Message-ID: <003101c3d559$7cc3acb0$9203140a@ad.colltech.com> Lawren Fendrich Account Manager Collective Technologies Office: 512-263-0770 x219 Cell: 512-762-1584 Fax: 512-263-0606 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040107/fdf771c9/attachment.html From skip at pobox.com Wed Jan 7 15:26:06 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Wed Jan 7 15:26:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes bug In-Reply-To: <003101c3d559$7cc3acb0$9203140a@ad.colltech.com> References: <003101c3d559$7cc3acb0$9203140a@ad.colltech.com> Message-ID: <16380.27486.535080.187330@montanaro.dyndns.org> Lawren> Lawren Fendrich Lawren> Account Manager Lawren> Collective Technologies Lawren> Office: 512-263-0770 x219 Lawren> Cell: 512-762-1584 Lawren> Fax: 512-263-0606 Hmmm... Kind of hard to tell what the bug is from your report. A little more detail would help. Assuming you are using the Outlook plugin, have a look here: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html and follow the link to the troubleshooting page to see if that helps you get unstuck. Skip From Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com Wed Jan 7 15:36:45 2004 From: Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com (Robert Mezzone) Date: Wed Jan 7 15:36:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] ToolBar Problem Message-ID: <1254A68F4903D411B24800508B1220E9037A7E9E@solomon1.pjsc.internal> I have a user running the latest version of SpamBayes with Outlook 2002. I don't know what she did but her SpamBayes toolbar no longer displays correctly. There is no Delete As SPAM button. The only thing that exists is the SpamBayes label but when you click on the down arrow there is nothing. She also deleted the Junk E-Mail folder so I can't begin to imagine what she did. I tried deleting the Outlook profile, using the mail icon and manually deleting all profile information from registry and profiles directory. SpamBayes toolbar isn't recreated. I removed SpamBayes and reinstalled, did not help. If I log onto the same machine as a different user everything is fine. Where is this toolbar stored? I know I could delete her entire WIN2K profile but that would mean a lot of work on my part to recreate it the way she is use too. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Robert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040107/db0f3540/attachment.html From beuc at beuc.net Wed Jan 7 15:36:47 2004 From: beuc at beuc.net (Sylvain Beucler) Date: Wed Jan 7 15:37:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] POP3Proxy freeze In-Reply-To: <20040107151737.GA5065@wolf.unice.fr> (from beuc@beuc.net on mer, jan 07, 2004 at 16:17:37 +0100) References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777F7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <20040107113432.GE4188@wolf.unice.fr> <20040107115158.GE4821@wolf.unice.fr> <20040107151737.GA5065@wolf.unice.fr> Message-ID: <20040107203647.GC5403@wolf.unice.fr> > Could this cause the problem when I check the 3 libertysurf accounts > in a row? It does not always happen since Balsa, my mail client, > seems to check the mailboxes in a random order, and I have 2 other > accounts that I check directly, abthat may cause a necessary pause > between 2 libertysurf mail checkings. Incidentally I tried to use 3 different proxy ports to check the 3 libertysurf accounts, but that didn't help :/ -- Sylvain >>>> I use SpamBayes under GNU and I usually let my session open all >>>> the day, with the POP3 proxy launched in a terminal. >>>> >>>> Sometimes, it eventually freezes, eg do not reply to HTTP and POP3 >>>> requests. There is no error output on the terminal. I have to >>>> kill it and start it again. >>> >>> Does this happen at any particular point? There's at least one bug >>> that has >>> been fixed (in cvs) since 1.0a7 that could be the cause of this, >>> but >>> IIRC >>> that one gets triggered if you close the browser in the middle of >>> training. > > After some more testing, it seems to freeze during mail retreiving (I > automatically check my mailboxes each 10mn). > > The last verbose output is allways something like: > Flushing 1073289024 from corpus cache > > and when I C-c spambayes, the stack trace is always: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "sb_server.py", line 832, in ? > run() > File "sb_server.py", line 826, in run > start(state=state) > File "sb_server.py", line 766, in start > main(state.servers, state.proxyPorts, state.uiPort, state. > launchUI) > File "sb_server.py", line 747, in main > Dibbler.run(launchBrowser=launchUI) > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line > 689, in run asyncore.loop(map=context._map) > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py", line 205, in loop > poll_fun (timeout, map) > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py", line 83, in poll > r,w,e = select.select (r,w,e, timeout) > > I currently check 4 mail accounts with spam bayes, and my > configuration is somewhat special since I have 3 accounts on the same > distant pop3 server - and thus I only created 2 SpamBayes 'proxies' > eventually, on port 1110 and 1111, to pop.libertysurf.fr and pop3. > beuc.net respectively. > > Could this cause the problem when I check the 3 libertysurf accounts > in a row? It does not always happen since Balsa, my mail client, > seems to check the mailboxes in a random order, and I have 2 other > accounts that I check directly, abthat may cause a necessary pause > between 2 libertysurf mail checkings. > >-- > Sylvain From pioppo at ferrara.linux.it Wed Jan 7 16:17:54 2004 From: pioppo at ferrara.linux.it (Simone Piunno) Date: Wed Jan 7 16:13:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes old and new In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777EE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777EE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <200401072217.54245.pioppo@ferrara.linux.it> On Wednesday 07 January 2004 06:31, Tony Meyer wrote: > Do you have a roughly even balance of ham and spam training data? Just out of curiosity, I've read this essay by Greg Louis: http://www.bgl.nu/bogofilter/bayes.html I find it has interesting considerations on the balance problem. Did you know this essay? Have you ever tried how it works? Cheers, Simone From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 7 16:51:34 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 7 16:51:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] a server-side filter based on spambayes In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499CEC7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777FE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Thank you! I believe TUGAST is not yet worth a mention, but > OK, I'll take this as a push to code faster ;) I think it is worth a mention since you're open to contributions/ideas - a lot of people ask about a server-side solution, and so they might be interested in working on the project. (Which is not to say don't code faster ). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies, and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. By sending to the list, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tim.one at comcast.net Wed Jan 7 17:02:11 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Wed Jan 7 17:02:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Baes Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Bob Coe] > Yes, even if it's replaced with keeping track by name. I think the > Outlook plugin should behave just the way Outlook does; otherwise it > causes more confusion than it eliminates. A high percentage of the > difficulties I encounter with third-party software arise from the > developers' failure to follow Windows' user interface paradigm, > either because they were too lazy (or didn't understand it very well) > or because they thought they had a better idea. In some cases, maybe > they did have a better idea, but adherence to known standards is > usually of more value to the user. A problem is that there doesn't appear to be a standard here -- all we know about how Outlook behaves in these cases was obtained by trial and error, and if it is indeed a pile of undocumented implementation accidents, there's no reason to expect Outlook will continue to behave the same way across patches either. In this example, if a folder is moved around within a single store, Outlook appears to keep track of it; but if it's dragged to a different store, Outlook appears to lose track of it entirely -- at least under the versions of Outlook people have reported on so far. > The One Good Thing Bill Gates has done for the industry is to provide > a set of interface standards that users can learn to recognize, but its > value depends on developers actually following it. Well, what else in Windows works in this peculiar way? I don't know of anything, although the "loses track of it entirely" *part* of Outlook's behavior here is common, in and out of MS apps, after moving or renaming an object. From Kent.Tegels at hdrinc.com Wed Jan 7 17:14:32 2004 From: Kent.Tegels at hdrinc.com (Tegels, Kent) Date: Wed Jan 7 17:14:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] HELP please! Message-ID: <2368489DC1DAF2488B85739359AD74DE99DE7A@exch2003.intranet.hdr> Traceback (most recent call last): File "G:\sba\spamcounts.py", line 138, in ? sys.exit(main(sys.argv[1:])) File "G:\sba\spamcounts.py", line 125, in main db = shelve.open(dbname, flag='r') File "G:\Python23\lib\shelve.py", line 231, in open return DbfilenameShelf(filename, flag, protocol, writeback, binary) File "G:\Python23\lib\shelve.py", line 212, in __init__ Shelf.__init__(self, anydbm.open(filename, flag), protocol, writeback, binar y) File "G:\Python23\lib\anydbm.py", line 77, in open raise error, "need 'c' or 'n' flag to open new db" anydbm.error: need 'c' or 'n' flag to open new db Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "DbfilenameShelf instance has no attribute 'writeback'" in ignored -----Original Message----- From: Skip Montanaro [mailto:skip@pobox.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:05 PM To: Tegels, Kent Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] HELP please! Kent> I'm still trying to get SpamCounts.py to work. When I issue this Kent> command: Kent> G:\sba>spamcounts.py -d "G:\Documents and Settings\(*omitted*)\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db" --pickle Kent> I get this error: Kent> Traceback (most recent call last): Kent> File "G:\sba\spamcounts.py", line 138, in ? Kent> sys.exit(main(sys.argv[1:])) Kent> File "G:\sba\spamcounts.py", line 122, in main Kent> db = pickle.load(file(dbname)) Kent> File "G:\Python23\lib\pickle.py", line 1390, in load Kent> return Unpickler(file).load() Kent> File "G:\Python23\lib\pickle.py", line 872, in load Kent> dispatch[key](self) Kent> KeyError: '\x00' My only offhand suggestion is that perhaps your database isn't really a pickle. What happens if you lose the "--pickle" flag? Skip From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 7 17:23:47 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 7 17:23:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] HELP please! In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499CF08@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777FF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [Kent] > I'm still trying to get SpamCounts.py to work. When > I issue this command: > G:\sba>spamcounts.py -d "G:\Documents and > Settings\(*omitted*)\Application > Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db" --pickle I assume this is from the Outlook plug-in - the default_message_database.db file contains information about the messages that have been classified & trained. The one you're after (that contains tokens) is default_bayes_database.db. It's unlikely to be a pickle, BTW. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 7 17:26:54 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 7 17:27:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] ToolBar Problem In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499CEDD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677800@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have a user running the latest version of > SpamBayes with Outlook 2002. I don't know what > she did but her SpamBayes toolbar no longer > displays correctly. There is no Delete As SPAM > button. The only thing that exists is the SpamBayes > label but when you click on the down arrow there > is nothing. She also deleted the Junk E-Mail folder > so I can't begin to imagine what she did. Try removing her configuration file. It's in the SpamBayes data directory called [profilename].ini, or Outlook.ini. If that doesn't help, then please attach the most recent SpamBayes log file (the one that ends with a '1'). This is in the temp directory (the troubleshooting guide explains how to find it, but it's probably C:\Documents and Settings\[username]\Local Settings\Temp\Spambayes1.log). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies, and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. By sending to the list, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 7 17:28:44 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 7 17:28:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Installation Error In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499CEB4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677801@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I removed Spambayes from my PC and went out and > downloaded version 1.08.1. There's the problem: you're using a version from the future . > Restarted outlook and the toolbar was still there but no selections. Try removing your configuration file - it's in the SpamBayes data directory called [profilename].ini or Outlook.ini. If that doesn't work, then please send us a copy of your log files - the troubleshooting guide explains how to get those. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies, and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. By sending to the list, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 7 17:31:26 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 7 17:31:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Scoring not working In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499CE7F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677802@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have just upgraded SpamBayes and now my scoring > is not working on incoming email. The messages > that were in my inbox prior to training were assigned > a score however new incoming mail and mail in my spam > folder do not score correctly. Go into the SpamBayes Manager and look at the status panel. If something is wrong, it should say it there. Is the "enable filtering" box ticked? If you look at the "Filtering" tab, are the settings there correct? By "score correctly", do you mean that they get the wrong score, or don't score at all? If it's the former, then have you got a roughly equal balance of ham and spam? How many messages have you trained on? If you look at the spam clues for a message with the 'wrong' score, does it then make sense? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies, and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. By sending to the list, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From Kent.Tegels at hdrinc.com Wed Jan 7 17:33:17 2004 From: Kent.Tegels at hdrinc.com (Tegels, Kent) Date: Wed Jan 7 17:33:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] HELP please! Message-ID: <2368489DC1DAF2488B85739359AD74DE99DE9E@exch2003.intranet.hdr> K'PLA! Also added -r '*' Thanks Tony, Skip and the rest of the SpamBayes team for this wonderful tool set. kt -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 4:24 PM To: Tegels, Kent; skip@pobox.com Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] HELP please! [Kent] > I'm still trying to get SpamCounts.py to work. When I issue this > command: > G:\sba>spamcounts.py -d "G:\Documents and > Settings\(*omitted*)\Application > Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db" --pickle I assume this is from the Outlook plug-in - the default_message_database.db file contains information about the messages that have been classified & trained. The one you're after (that contains tokens) is default_bayes_database.db. It's unlikely to be a pickle, BTW. =Tony Meyer From tim.one at comcast.net Wed Jan 7 17:34:30 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Wed Jan 7 17:34:34 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: SpamBayes old and new In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Bob Coe] > I've been having a superficially similar problem on my XP Pro > machines. Spambayes will catch a lot of spam but leave a lot in the > Inbox. So I tell it to filter again, looking only at those messages > that haven't been filtered before. That makes it catch some more spam > messages, sometimes as many as twenty. So it appears that something > is happening in the first scan that makes filtering shut down > prematurely. > > I don't use the new "background" filtering; in an Exchange > environment I don't need it. So that's not the source of the problem. Hmm. Have you tried it anyway? What you describe is one of the problems background filtering was introduced to try to worm around. When doing automatic filtering, SpamBayes scores a message when, and only when, Outlook tells SpamBayes a new message has arrived. There appear to be several circumstances under which Outlook "forgets" to tell SpamBayes about a new message. It's not clear why. On my own boxes, Outlook seems to forget pretty reliably when the CPU is under heavy load (e.g., when I'm running other CPU-intensive processes at the time a large (> 200) batch of msgs arrive at cable-modem speed). Regardless of cause, enabling background filtering appears to cure the problem, presumably by spreading SpamBayes's own CPU requirements across such a long span of time that Outlook gets enough cycles to produce all the new-message notifications it should produce (of course this is all just informed speculation, because we don't know what Outlook is trying to do, and the Outlook docs don't address these questions -- to my nose, it "smells like" a thread race bug inside Outlook). From skip at pobox.com Wed Jan 7 17:40:31 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Wed Jan 7 17:40:40 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] HELP please! In-Reply-To: <2368489DC1DAF2488B85739359AD74DE99DE7A@exch2003.intranet.hdr> References: <2368489DC1DAF2488B85739359AD74DE99DE7A@exch2003.intranet.hdr> Message-ID: <16380.35551.778360.737846@montanaro.dyndns.org> Kent> Traceback (most recent call last): ... Kent> anydbm.error: need 'c' or 'n' flag to open new db Kent> Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "DbfilenameShelf instance has no Kent> attribute Kent> 'writeback'" in ignored I take it you performed this test before Tony's message arrived. Does using the default_bayes_database.db file make things work? (Sorry for taking such stabs in the dark. I don't use the Outlook plugin so wouldn't have recognized the correct database from a hole in the ground. OTOH, I am the spamcounts.py author...) Skip From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 7 19:00:14 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 7 19:00:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] POP3Proxy freeze In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499CE4C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677809@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py", line 83, in poll > r,w,e = select.select (r,w,e, timeout) Ah - this could possibly be: [ 824589 ] sb_server.py doesn'trecover after a 'connection timed out' Unfortunately, AFAIK, we haven't managed to do anything about this yet. I think Richie would be much better at fixing this than I would, so hopefully he'll manage to have a look at it soonish. Until then, if it is this, I'm not sure what else I can suggest apart from hoping that the next release fixes it (or trying to convince Richie that he needs to fix this one ). =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 7 19:18:48 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 7 19:18:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: bayesian reference... In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499CE35@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467780B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I'd go ahead and cite the paper and book with a link to the > book chapter from the paper's reference. +1. =Tony Meyer From skip at pobox.com Wed Jan 7 21:27:35 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Wed Jan 7 22:06:22 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] POP3Proxy freeze In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677809@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130499CE4C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677809@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <16380.49175.980126.206957@montanaro.dyndns.org> >> File "/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py", line 83, in poll >> r,w,e = select.select (r,w,e, timeout) Tony> Ah - this could possibly be: Tony> [ 824589 ] sb_server.py doesn'trecover after a 'connection timed out' Tony> This is just a wild-ass guess, but in Dibbler.run(), it seems that something like: while True: try: asyncore.loop(map=context._map) except socket.error, arg: if arg[0][0] == 110: # socket timeout print >> sys.stderr, "timeout" continue else: raise might give you the ability to recover from timeouts. This is of course subject to whatever asyncore might do under the covers, and there's no guarantee the test in my if stmt is correct (or if "correct", also robust). Skip From tim.one at comcast.net Wed Jan 7 23:53:12 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Wed Jan 7 23:53:14 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes old and new In-Reply-To: <200401072217.54245.pioppo@ferrara.linux.it> Message-ID: [Simone Piunno] > Just out of curiosity, I've read this essay by Greg Louis: > > http://www.bgl.nu/bogofilter/bayes.html > > I find it has interesting considerations on the balance problem. > Did you know this essay? Have you ever tried how it works? It's hard to know what Greg actually did, but he didn't do what he said he did . For example, his equation [4] yields spamprobs of exactly 0 for ham hapaxes and exactly 1 for spam hapaxes, but no usable scheme can live with a presumption of absolute certainty based on one example. So he did other stuff he's not explaining there. Alex here did a relevant experiment, but the report is lacking some needed detail: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes-dev/2003-November/001592.html By "hamcount and spamcount" he means the same as Greg means by g and b (respectively); by "hamratio and spamratio" he means the same as Greg means by g/G and b/B (respectively). Alex *usually* trains on everything, so if we assume that he did there too, he got the bad results reported there by using Greg's equation [4] to estimate spamprobs, but modified by the Bayesian adjustment we always do to by-counting spamprobs (or maybe Alex skipped that too -- I don't know for sure, but expect that he didn't, because if he did skip it the resulting spamprobs of exactly 0 and 1 would have caused arithmetic exceptions, and he didn't mention anything like that). One thing Greg didn't try was a non-trivial imbalance: "15,240 spam and 21,040 ham" is only a 1::1.4 ratio. We've seen people here with training ratios worse than 300::1 (which are rarely anywhere near the ratio in their incoming email -- "train on everything" hasn't been a popular approach in practice). More experiments along these lines would be worthwhile. One caution is that the incoming ham::spam ratio changes over time (is there anyone who hasn't been blessed with a larger percentage of spam over the last year? OTOH, my spam::ham ratio appears to have dropped over the past couple months). So guessing that ratio based on the historical average over all time is unlikely to be a good estimate of the current ratio. Another way of viewing Bayes theorem is that, in the absence of any other information, our best guess is that an incoming message is spam with probability B/(B+G) (simply the historical ratio of spam to all messages), and we're blending that guess with evidence based on which tokens appear in the msg. If B/(B+G) is in fact a poor guess about the *current* incoming ratio, that can be hard to overcome. From Keith at EcologyEnergy.com Thu Jan 8 00:06:47 2004 From: Keith at EcologyEnergy.com (Keith Goettert) Date: Thu Jan 8 00:06:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re-install - Outlook won't recognize plugin, no toolbar, no wizard Message-ID: <3FFCE567.3050804@EcologyEnergy.com> I had the misfortune of having Outlook 2003 go down while spambayes was busy cleaning a folder with 31,000 messages. The toolbar locked up and spambayes stopped working. I have uninstalled Spambayes, Python and the extensions and re-installed. I am unable to get outlook to bring up the "welcome wizard". What is the magical registry entry that gets this all moving again? From beuc at beuc.net Thu Jan 8 00:23:44 2004 From: beuc at beuc.net (Sylvain Beucler) Date: Thu Jan 8 00:23:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] POP3Proxy freeze In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677809@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> (from tameyer@ihug.co.nz on jeu, jan 08, 2004 at 01:00:14 +0100) References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677809@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <20040108052344.GC29768@wolf.unice.fr> > Ah - this could possibly be: > [ 824589 ] sb_server.py doesn'trecover after a 'connection timed out' > d=61702> > > Unfortunately, AFAIK, we haven't managed to do anything about this > yet. I > think Richie would be much better at fixing this than I would, so > hopefully > he'll manage to have a look at it soonish. > > Until then, if it is this, I'm not sure what else I can suggest apart > from > hoping that the next release fixes it (or trying to convince Richie > that he > needs to fix this one ). I am not sure it is the same problem. I do not get any python exception, unlike in the bug you mention. In addition, I do not see why I could get a connection timeout. I tried checking all the pop3 accounts without the proxy, and no pop3 server did time out, even when I checked then several times in a row (like checking all my accounts several times per second). SpamBayes usually eventually fails to connect to the 3rd libertysurf account, but not always... I also do not understand why it is working worse and worse. It was perfect in the beginning, and now I cannot check my mails twice without seeing it freeze :/ -- Sylvain From beuc at beuc.net Thu Jan 8 01:04:55 2004 From: beuc at beuc.net (Sylvain Beucler) Date: Thu Jan 8 01:05:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] POP3Proxy freeze References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677809@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <20040108052344.GC29768@wolf.unice.fr> Message-ID: <20040108060455.GA30167@wolf.unice.fr> Mmm, actually it has nothing to do with 3 accounts on the same server. It also freezes when I only check one of those accounts only. However, I am sure that one cause of the freeze is when the remote server is refusing connection because there already is an active one (for example, when the previous session was not cleanly closed, and the server did not noticed it). -- Sylvain > I am not sure it is the same problem. I do not get any python > exception, unlike in the bug you mention. In addition, I do not see > why I could get a connection timeout. I tried checking all the pop3 > accounts without the proxy, and no pop3 server did time out, even > when I checked then several times in a row (like checking all my > accounts several times per second). SpamBayes usually eventually > fails to connect to the 3rd libertysurf account, but not always... > > I also do not understand why it is working worse and worse. It was > perfect in the beginning, and now I cannot check my mails twice > without seeing it freeze :/ > >-- > Sylvain From tron at huapi.ba.ar Thu Jan 8 07:46:17 2004 From: tron at huapi.ba.ar (Carlos G Mendioroz) Date: Thu Jan 8 07:46:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Persistent spambayes engine ? Message-ID: <3FFD5119.4040309@huapi.ba.ar> Hi, I'm in the process of evaluating the use of SpamBayes for a site, i.e., for all the mail hosted at a server. So far I've been running it on my home server w/o problems, and doing much better than the Netscape 7.1 spam filter after being trained with its (NS71) spam log of 2 weeks and another week or so. (very approximate numbers for me are 70/30 true pos/false neg for NS and 90/10 for spambayes 1.0a7) Now, it seems to me (although I can be way wrong) that the instantiation work of sb_filter is way high compared to the real processing time. If that were true, then having a "long lived" server could be a good idea for a site. Would it be ? Sorry if that was already discussed, I've found no traces of such in my searches. Also, I'm aware that this would have only one spam database and that database update access should be somehow controlled and... but still I guess site spam marking is worth. Regards, -- Carlos G Mendioroz LW7 EQI Argentina From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com Thu Jan 8 08:18:06 2004 From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone) Date: Thu Jan 8 08:18:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Persistent spambayes engine ? In-Reply-To: <3FFD5119.4040309@huapi.ba.ar> References: <3FFD5119.4040309@huapi.ba.ar> Message-ID: On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 09:46:17 -0300, Carlos G Mendioroz wrote: > Now, it seems to me (although I can be way wrong) that the instantiation > work of sb_filter is way high compared to the real processing time. > If that were true, then having a "long lived" server could be a good > idea for a site. Check out sb_server.py... -- Vous exprimer; Expr?sese; Te stesso esprimere; Express yourself! Tim Stone See my photography at www.fourstonesExpressions.com See my writing at www.xanga.com/obj3kshun From dbulgrien at vcsd.com Thu Jan 8 09:26:13 2004 From: dbulgrien at vcsd.com (Dennis W. Bulgrien) Date: Thu Jan 8 09:26:57 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Detection Adds Custom Header Entry Message-ID: My e-mail server uses a spam filter for the incoming email accounts. This filter adds a string into the header, X-Spam-Score, if it finds spam and adds an attachment explaining why it considered the email to be spam. Spambayes (Outlook plug-in) apparently ignores this [unknown] header entry; or maybe it isn't even given the opportunity to parse them. I also don't see Spambayes clues that score based on the presence of attachments, the name of the attachments, or its contents. In the present case, it would be helpful as all attachment names are identical. May it be known, however, that with these, Spambayes is still doing a very good job of catching them. ________________________________________ Example of header: X-Mailer: Jollymail v2.5 ... X-Spam-Score: 8.633 (********) BIZ_TLD,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40,HTML_FONT_INVISIBLE,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_BOUND _NEXTPART,MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET,MIME_HTML_ONLY,MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI,MIME_MISSING_ BOUNDARY X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 ... Content-Type: text/plain; name="SpamAssassinReport.txt" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="SpamAssassinReport.txt" ... X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.411 (Entity 5.404) ________________________________________ Here's an example of the attachment, SpamAssassinReport.txt: Spam detection software, running on the system... has identified this incoming email as possible spam... Content preview: URI:http://xn--zj4b74h0vcg1k.com/index.html ... Content analysis details: (31.4 points, 4.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.3 NO_REAL_NAME From: does not include a real name 1.0 FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS From: ends in numbers 3.7 KOREAN_UCE_SUBJECT Subject: contains Korean unsolicited email tag 0.4 HTML_60_70 BODY: Message is 60% to 70% HTML 3.2 CHARSET_FARAWAY BODY: Character set indicates a foreign language 0.7 HTML_TAG_BALANCE_TABLE BODY: HTML is missing "table" close tags 0.1 HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN BODY: HTML font color is unknown to us 0.7 MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY: Message only has text/html MIME parts 0.2 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.3 HTML_FONT_BIG BODY: HTML has a big font 1.9 HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04 BODY: HTML: images with 200-400 bytes of words 3.6 SUBJ_ILLEGAL_CHARS Subject contains too many raw illegal characters 4.3 FROM_ILLEGAL_CHARS From contains too many raw illegal characters 1.8 DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX Date: is 96 hours or more before Received: date 3.7 MSGID_FROM_MTA_SHORT Message-Id was added by a relay 2.2 FROM_ALL_NUMS From an address that is all numbers (non-phone) 1.1 HTML_MIME_NO_HTML_TAG HTML-only message, but there is no HTML tag 2.5 MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY MIME character set indicates foreign language From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Thu Jan 8 09:40:34 2004 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Thu Jan 8 09:40:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Effectiveness (if any) of new anti-spam law Message-ID: Robert K. Coe _____ The U.S.'s new anti-spam law supposedly kicked in the other day. Has anyone seen a reduction in the rate of incoming spam? I sure haven't. Bob MIS Department, City of Cambridge 831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139 ? 617-349-4217 ? fax 617-349-6165 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040108/6564d6c4/attachment-0001.html From Kent.Tegels at hdrinc.com Thu Jan 8 10:13:51 2004 From: Kent.Tegels at hdrinc.com (Tegels, Kent) Date: Thu Jan 8 10:13:53 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] HELP please! Message-ID: <2368489DC1DAF2488B85739359AD74DE99E08B@exch2003.intranet.hdr> Again, folks, I just can't say enough good stuff about SpamBayes or the great support I've gotten here. Many, many thanks! http://sqljunkies.com/weblog/ktegels/posts/737.aspx -----Original Message----- From: Skip Montanaro [mailto:skip@pobox.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 4:41 PM To: Tegels, Kent Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] HELP please! Kent> Traceback (most recent call last): ... Kent> anydbm.error: need 'c' or 'n' flag to open new db Kent> Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "DbfilenameShelf instance has no Kent> attribute Kent> 'writeback'" in ignored I take it you performed this test before Tony's message arrived. Does using the default_bayes_database.db file make things work? (Sorry for taking such stabs in the dark. I don't use the Outlook plugin so wouldn't have recognized the correct database from a hole in the ground. OTOH, I am the spamcounts.py author...) Skip From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com Thu Jan 8 10:48:04 2004 From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone) Date: Thu Jan 8 10:48:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Effectiveness (if any) of new anti-spam law In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 09:40:34 -0500, Coe, Bob wrote: > Robert K. Coe > The U.S.'s new anti-spam law supposedly kicked in the other day. Has > anyone seen a reduction in the rate of incoming spam? I sure haven't. Haha... if anything, there's been an uptick... like they're taunting the feds to try to come after 'em... -- Vous exprimer; Expr?sese; Te stesso esprimere; Express yourself! Tim Stone From crenner at dynalivery.com Thu Jan 8 13:23:29 2004 From: crenner at dynalivery.com (Chuck Renner) Date: Thu Jan 8 13:23:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin and Exchange Server anti-virus Message-ID: <1D5FFAF04EC5D31182CD00508B5502BDDEAE24@gnat.dynalivery.com> First, thanks to all the developers who work(ed) on SpamBayes. It's been working wonders for me. I'm running the latest Outlook plugin, installed from the binary installer. Outlook 2000 and Windows 2000. This is talking to an Exchange 5.5 running Norton Anti-Virus for Exchange. When the newest copy of a virus comes in, Norton is configured to quarantine the attachment and send notification to the recipient. With SpamBayes running, I still get notified, but NAV throws an error and cannot quarantine the attachment, stating that the message was changed before it could do so. I was running an older version previously (didn't make note of the version number) and I didn't see this behavior. Are there any tweaks I might be able to do to delay SpamBayes processing to let NAV do its thing first? From kennypitt at hotmail.com Thu Jan 8 14:13:23 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Thu Jan 8 14:14:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin and Exchange Server anti-virus In-Reply-To: <1D5FFAF04EC5D31182CD00508B5502BDDEAE24@gnat.dynalivery.com> Message-ID: Chuck Renner wrote: > With SpamBayes running, I still get notified, but NAV throws an error > and cannot quarantine the attachment, stating that the message was > changed before it could do so. I was running an older version > previously (didn't make note of the version number) and I didn't see > this behavior. > > Are there any tweaks I might be able to do to delay SpamBayes > processing to let NAV do its thing first? I'm not familiar with this specific configuration, but you could try the "Enable background filtering" option on the Advanced tab. This option was intended primarily to avoid conflicts with Outlook rules, but may work here as well. With this option enabled, the "Processing start delay" specifies the number of seconds that SpamBayes will wait before processing the first received message. The "Delay between processing items" specifies the number of seconds to wait after each message is processed before processing the next one. The defaults usually work well with Outlook rules, but may need some tweaking to meet your needs with NAV. -- Kenny Pitt From Keith at EcologyEnergy.com Thu Jan 8 14:54:17 2004 From: Keith at EcologyEnergy.com (Keith Goettert) Date: Thu Jan 8 14:54:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re-install - Outlook won't recognize plugin, no toolbar, no wizard In-Reply-To: <3FFCE567.3050804@EcologyEnergy.com> Message-ID: fixed, for general reference to the rest of the list I found the solution here... http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/spambayes/spambayes/Outlook2000/docs/t roubleshooting.html?rev=HEAD#Addin_doesnt_load I had to enable the plugin and reload the dll. Glad MS puts everything in obvious places ;-) -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Keith Goettert Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:07 PM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Re-install - Outlook won't recognize plugin, no toolbar, no wizard I had the misfortune of having Outlook 2003 go down while spambayes was busy cleaning a folder with 31,000 messages. The toolbar locked up and spambayes stopped working. I have uninstalled Spambayes, Python and the extensions and re-installed. I am unable to get outlook to bring up the "welcome wizard". What is the magical registry entry that gets this all moving again? _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From crenner at dynalivery.com Thu Jan 8 14:55:33 2004 From: crenner at dynalivery.com (Chuck Renner) Date: Thu Jan 8 14:55:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin and Exchange Server anti-virus Message-ID: <1D5FFAF04EC5D31182CD00508B5502BDDEAE27@gnat.dynalivery.com> > > Are there any tweaks I might be able to do to delay SpamBayes > > processing to let NAV do its thing first? > > I'm not familiar with this specific configuration, but you > could try the > "Enable background filtering" option on the Advanced tab. This option > was intended primarily to avoid conflicts with Outlook rules, but may > work here as well. Yes, that's one of the first things I tweaked (especially since that was an obvious addition in the new version). I cranked up the delay to the full 10 seconds, but it still behaves the same. From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Thu Jan 8 15:07:08 2004 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Thu Jan 8 15:07:14 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin and Exchange Server anti-virus Message-ID: Something about this doesn't quite add up. If you're running NAV on the server, it's hard to see how Spambayes gets its hands on the message before NAV is done with it. Is it possible that instead (or in addition) you're running NAV's "MS Exchange Realtime Protection" on the client? If so, you may be duplicating work that the server has already done. In that scenario, it's the client version of NAV, not the server version, that's jockeying with Spambayes for custody of the message. In which case simply turning off the NAV scan on the client may solve the problem. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Renner [mailto:crenner@dynalivery.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:23 PM > To: 'spambayes@python.org' > Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin and Exchange Server anti-virus > > > First, thanks to all the developers who work(ed) on SpamBayes. It's > been working wonders for me. > > I'm running the latest Outlook plugin, installed from the binary > installer. Outlook 2000 and Windows 2000. This is talking to an > Exchange 5.5 running Norton Anti-Virus for Exchange. When the newest > copy of a virus comes in, Norton is configured to quarantine the > attachment and send notification to the recipient. > > With SpamBayes running, I still get notified, but NAV throws an error > and cannot quarantine the attachment, stating that the message was > changed before it could do so. I was running an older version > previously (didn't make note of the version number) and I didn't see > this behavior. > > Are there any tweaks I might be able to do to delay SpamBayes processing > to let NAV do its thing first? From crenner at dynalivery.com Thu Jan 8 15:22:45 2004 From: crenner at dynalivery.com (Chuck Renner) Date: Thu Jan 8 15:22:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin and Exchange Server anti-virus Message-ID: <1D5FFAF04EC5D31182CD00508B5502BDDEAE28@gnat.dynalivery.com> > Something about this doesn't quite add up. If you're running > NAV on the server, it's hard to see how Spambayes gets its > hands on the message before NAV is done with it. Is it > possible that instead (or in addition) you're running NAV's > "MS Exchange Realtime Protection" on the client? If so, you > may be duplicating work that the server has already done. In > that scenario, it's the client version of NAV, not the server > version, that's jockeying with Spambayes for custody of the > message. In which case simply turning off the NAV scan on the > client may solve the problem. Well, something in the latest version is causing the server-side scanner to have a problem, as that's the only thing that's changed. I am also running NAV on the workstation, so as a test, I've turned off the auto-protect. However, it normally throws a dialog box when it detects something, and appears to only check the messages when they're opened. The local NAV was running previously with no problems of this sort. From tim.one at comcast.net Thu Jan 8 16:29:34 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Thu Jan 8 16:29:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes old and new In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [followups to spambayes-dev@python.org please, since it would get increasingly technical beyond this point] [Simone Piunno] >> Just out of curiosity, I've read this essay by Greg Louis: >> >> http://www.bgl.nu/bogofilter/bayes.html >> >> I find it has interesting considerations on the balance problem. >> Did you know this essay? Have you ever tried how it works? [Tim Peters] > ... > Alex here did a relevant experiment, but the report is lacking some > needed detail: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes-dev/2003-November/001592.html I ran a test on my own recent email mix, using current Outlook addin defaults. "base" is the current code. "bycount" replaces one line in classifier.py, from prob = spamratio / (hamratio + spamratio) to prob = float(spamcount) / (spamcount + hamcount) Results are certainly ... remarkable. Since my incoming email is naturally unbalanced in a 4::1 ham::spam ratio lately, it's a more interesting test than Greg's nearly-balanced test: base -> bycount -> tested 528 hams & 130 spams against 4752 hams & 1170 spams <19 repetitions deleted> false positive percentages 0.000 0.000 tied 0.000 0.000 tied 0.000 0.000 tied 0.000 0.000 tied 0.000 0.000 tied 0.189 0.000 won -100.00% 0.189 0.000 won -100.00% 0.379 0.000 won -100.00% 0.000 0.000 tied 0.000 0.000 tied won 3 times tied 7 times lost 0 times total unique fp went from 4 to 0 won -100.00% mean fp % went from 0.0757575757576 to 0.0 won -100.00% false negative percentages 0.769 16.154 lost +2000.65% 0.769 23.077 lost +2900.91% 0.000 19.231 lost +(was 0) 0.769 23.077 lost +2900.91% 0.769 23.846 lost +3000.91% 0.769 16.154 lost +2000.65% 1.538 26.923 lost +1650.52% 0.000 12.308 lost +(was 0) 1.538 20.000 lost +1200.39% 1.538 17.692 lost +1050.33% won 0 times tied 0 times lost 10 times total unique fn went from 11 to 258 lost +2245.45% mean fn % went from 0.846153846153 to 19.8461538462 lost +2245.45% ham mean ham sdev 0.38 0.00 -100.00% 3.57 0.00 -100.00% 0.34 0.00 -100.00% 3.70 0.09 -97.57% 0.07 0.00 -100.00% 0.85 0.00 -100.00% 0.03 0.00 -100.00% 0.43 0.00 -100.00% 0.34 0.00 -100.00% 4.08 0.01 -99.75% 0.26 0.00 -100.00% 4.36 0.00 -100.00% 0.28 0.00 -100.00% 4.32 0.00 -100.00% 0.55 0.00 -100.00% 6.44 0.00 -100.00% 0.28 0.00 -100.00% 3.40 0.00 -100.00% 0.29 0.00 -100.00% 3.24 0.00 -100.00% ham mean and sdev for all runs 0.28 0.00 -100.00% 3.81 0.03 -99.21% spam mean spam sdev 96.12 63.99 -33.43% 14.01 32.86 +134.55% 97.15 58.20 -40.09% 12.56 35.04 +178.98% 97.58 58.34 -40.21% 8.75 34.93 +299.20% 97.72 58.61 -40.02% 10.38 36.75 +254.05% 97.07 57.33 -40.94% 11.68 35.77 +206.25% 97.00 61.26 -36.85% 13.01 33.07 +154.19% 95.36 55.46 -41.84% 15.45 37.77 +144.47% 97.54 67.03 -31.28% 10.86 31.88 +193.55% 96.34 60.80 -36.89% 14.94 34.05 +127.91% 95.81 60.84 -36.50% 14.94 33.66 +125.30% spam mean and sdev for all runs 96.77 60.19 -37.80% 12.86 34.77 +170.37% ham/spam mean difference: 96.49 60.19 -36.30 filename: base bycount ham:spam: 5280:1300 5280:1300 fp total: 4 0 fp %: 0.08 0.00 fn total: 11 258 fn %: 0.85 19.85 unsure t: 101 660 unsure %: 1.53 10.03 real cost: $71.20 $390.00 best cost: $53.00 $147.60 h mean: 0.28 0.00 h sdev: 3.81 0.03 s mean: 96.77 60.19 s sdev: 12.86 34.77 mean diff: 96.49 60.19 k: 5.79 1.73 Overall, since I have a lot more ham than spam now, when computing initial spamprob guess by raw counts instead of by corpus-relative ratios everything ends up looking hammier; if I had a lot more spam than ham instead, everything would end up looking spammier. As a result of everything looking hammier, the ham and spam means both plummet, the spam variance skyrockets, there are fewer false positives, almost-astonishingly more false negatives, and about half the spam scored as unsure: Ham: 5280 (100.00%) ok, 0 (0.00%) unsure, 0 (0.00%) fp Spam: 382 (29.38%) ok, 660 (50.77%) unsure, 258 (19.85%) fn Every ham was classed as ham (no FP, no unsures), but that was at the expense of only 30% of the spam getting classed as spam, and 20% of it getting classed as ham. So, in all, this experiment agreed with what Alex reported earlier: > basing the prob on the raw counts instead of the ratios is > an incredibly clearcut loss. Only won twice on the false positives > (by relatively small margins), but lost EVERY time on the false > negatives by large amounts. I should note that this test was run against *all* the email I've received recently, so it's not that the ham::spam ratio used in the test differed from what I see in real life. From kennypitt at hotmail.com Wed Jan 7 15:22:50 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Thu Jan 8 17:15:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] HELP please! In-Reply-To: <2368489DC1DAF2488B85739359AD74DE99DCC1@exch2003.intranet.hdr> Message-ID: Since the filename is .db, there's about a 99.9% chance that it is a BerkeleyDB database and not a pickle. Try dropping the "--pickle" option and see if that helps. -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Tegels, Kent Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:14 PM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] HELP please! I'm still trying to get SpamCounts.py to work. When I issue this command: G:\sba>spamcounts.py -d "G:\Documents and Settings\(*omitted*)\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db" --pickle I get this error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "G:\sba\spamcounts.py", line 138, in ? sys.exit(main(sys.argv[1:])) File "G:\sba\spamcounts.py", line 122, in main db = pickle.load(file(dbname)) File "G:\Python23\lib\pickle.py", line 1390, in load return Unpickler(file).load() File "G:\Python23\lib\pickle.py", line 872, in load dispatch[key](self) KeyError: '\x00' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040107/e6883fc8/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jan 8 18:19:10 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jan 8 18:19:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Persistent spambayes engine ? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7C8CB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677810@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > > Now, it seems to me (although I can be way wrong) that the > > instantiation work of sb_filter is way high compared to the real > > processing time. If that were true, then having a "long > > lived" server could be a good idea for a site. > > Check out sb_server.py... And also sb_xmlrpcserver.py. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From martymigdall at earthlink.net Thu Jan 8 20:31:37 2004 From: martymigdall at earthlink.net (Marty Migdall) Date: Thu Jan 8 20:33:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Download/Installation Help needed Message-ID: <000201c3d650$565589c0$6f01a8c0@marty> I am trying to download Spambayes to my computer but I can't locate the download program. I have the "spambayes-1.0a7.tar" file and I unzipped into a \program files\Spambayes folder, but I don't see any installation files or any exe files at all in it. I think I may have an update file but not the current program and I can't seem to find it on any of the sites I used to find Spambayes. I am not a power user but I can navigate and follow directions pretty well. It is taking me hours now to get through all the porn I get so I need a filter badly. I hope you can send it to me as an attachment in response to this email or direct me to the right place. I will need installation information on the program and the update. Thanks Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040108/e9b23464/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jan 8 20:41:19 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jan 8 20:41:24 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Download/Installation Help needed In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7CA55@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677814@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I am trying to download Spambayes to my computer > but I can't locate the download program. You appear to be using Outlook. If that is true, then you (almost certainly) want the Outlook plug-in. Go to the downloads page again, and download the latest (008.1) version of the Outlook plug-in installer. Run that (it is an .exe) and you'll be fine. If it's not true, then continue on... > I have the "spambayes-1.0a7.tar" file and I > unzipped into a \program files\Spambayes folder, > but I don't see any installation files or any exe > files at all in it. The "installation file" is setup.py. You need to run "setup.py install", but there's a bit more to it than that. Have you tried reading the README? If you have, and it doesn't make sense, then it would be great to know what in it is confusing so that we can improve it. Also, I assume (from the .exe reference) that you're using Windows. If that's true, then you usually want the .zip version of source archives, not the .tar.gz one, although you should be able to get either to work. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From boppermann at charter.net Thu Jan 8 20:37:52 2004 From: boppermann at charter.net (Brian Oppermann) Date: Thu Jan 8 20:46:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Db not saving spam/ham listings Message-ID: <007d01c3d651$35c3b820$1400a8c0@oppermann.org> Hello, I am using Spambayes 1.0a7 running as a POP3Proxy on Mandrake 9.2. I am using Evolution as my mail client. I have setup Spambayes to run as a daemon use the database at /home//.hammie.db. Everything works great until I stop and restart the daemon or reboot the box. Once that happens, spambayes forgets any mail it had classified before. Looking at the web interface, it lists total emails trained: Spam: 0 Ham: 0. While it is running I can classify ham and spam mails and they will show up. Then once I reboot or restart the spambayes daemon, everything is reset. Thanks, Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040108/785191f1/attachment.html From tim.one at comcast.net Fri Jan 9 00:06:58 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Fri Jan 9 00:07:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Detection Adds Custom Header Entry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Dennis W. Bulgrien] > My e-mail server uses a spam filter for the incoming email accounts. > This filter adds a string into the header, X-Spam-Score, if it finds > spam and adds an attachment explaining why it considered the email > to be spam. Spambayes (Outlook plug-in) apparently ignores this > [unknown] header entry; or maybe it isn't even given the opportunity > to parse them. All versions of SpamBayes ignore "almost all" header lines by default. The header lines we look at, and the ways in which we pick them apart, were determined by testing in the early days. The ones that were helpful (or at least not harmful) for everyone were included. Your X-Spam-Score header would need special tokenization to do any good. Examples of how to do that can be found here, but you need to change the SpamBayes source code to try this: http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki/SpamCopAndAssassin Your X-Spam-Score header is probably the same as the more-usual X-Spam-Status header on that page. Note that we (the project) don't add anything as a default unless it goes thru a long-winded multi-person testing process first. It's not clear whether tokenizing this kind of header would help or hurt, and it hasn't been tested. One reason it might hurt: many email sources that use SpamAssassin, and especially those that keep their SA up to date, do a good job of filtering out spam, but then the X-Spam-Status headers attached to spams that leak through would effectively give SpamBayes a large pile of bad clues saying "this is ham". SpamBayes would then tend to inherit the same weaknesses as that installation of SA, so the false negative rate could actually increase if we paid attention to SA's ideas. Only broad testing could determine whether it would. A distinct worry is that spammers will forge bogus headers of this nature (saying that the message isn't spam). > I also don't see Spambayes clues that score based on the presence > of attachments, the name of the attachments, or its contents. > In the present case, it would be helpful as all attachment names are > identical. Alas, the info in Content-Type and Content-Disposition headers is valuable information, and its absence is unique to the Outlook version of SpamBayes. Short course: the email parser we use requires standard MIME structure, but Outlook destroys the MIME structure of incoming messages, spraying bits and pieces all over creation to fit into a message store that was designed long before MIME became common. It's really not clear which parts of the original email we actually get back from Outlook in all cases, but in any case we squash everything we get into one piece of plain text so that we can *synthesize* (trivially) correct MIME structure for our parser to chew on. Working with Outlook at this level is full of nasty surprises, so I don't know whether that will ever improve. If you decide to dedicate your life to reverse-engineering Outlook internals , our Outook2000/msgstore.py's _GetMessageTextParts() is the place to look. > May it be known, however, that with these, Spambayes is still > doing a very good job of catching them. So who cares ? SA does a much better job than we do on lots of header clues, like MSGID_FROM_MTA_SHORT, in part because we don't even try to detect stuff like that. It usually doesn't matter to the final outcome, but "semantic" header clues can make all the difference in a very short spam. From mbush at onlinemac.com Fri Jan 9 02:24:16 2004 From: mbush at onlinemac.com (Maurice Bush) Date: Fri Jan 9 02:24:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook98 Message-ID: <000e01c3d681$97666020$6500a8c0@onlinemac.com> Why can't the current version of SpamBayes be used with Outlook98? I' unfortunately have a tremendous amount of hardware that has been accumulated over the years that doesn't have drivers that were developed for anything above Win98 and it would cost me a fortune to upgrade everything. I hope there is some way that I can use SpamBayes and Outlook98 together. Thank you in advance for a response to this message. mbush@onlinemac.com --- [This E-mail Scanned for viruses by Onlinemac.com] From channisandhu at hotmail.com Fri Jan 9 05:09:41 2004 From: channisandhu at hotmail.com (Channi sandhu) Date: Fri Jan 9 05:09:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes & Terminal Server Message-ID: Hi, I recently downloaded your software and have installed it on my machine. Now the problem is that I wanted to install the software just for myself rather that all users on that machine. Is there a way to delete certain files from their documents & settings so that they dont get the addin. If not, how does the software work in terms of its spam database. Does it mean each user will have to customise their spambayes or can i as the administrator on the machine comfigure the software once and those settingfs can be used by other users. I would be very gratefull if you could answer my queries. Thanking you in advance Regards Channi Sandhu _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From kennypitt at hotmail.com Fri Jan 9 09:11:53 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Fri Jan 9 09:12:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook98 In-Reply-To: <000e01c3d681$97666020$6500a8c0@onlinemac.com> Message-ID: Maurice Bush wrote: > Why can't the current version of SpamBayes be used with Outlook98? Obviously, Microsoft tries to enhance Outlook with each new release, and that includes new programming interfaces. The interface that allows us to integrate directly into Outlook was not added until Outlook 2000. > I hope there is some way that I can use > SpamBayes and Outlook98 together. There is, as long as you are using a POP3 mail account. In addition to the integrated Outlook plug-in, SpamBayes also has a POP3 proxy that sits between your mail client and your POP3 server. It isn't as tightly integrated as the plug-in, but it is just as effective at filtering your spam. The Web browser-based user interface is pretty easy to use once you get used to it, and we also welcome feedback on how it could be improved. Currently, to run the POP3 proxy you'll need to install Python (and probably the win32all extensions since you are on Windows), then download and extract the 1.0a7 source archive and run from that. There are some instructions for setting this up included in the archive. Alternatively, you can wait a little while until a beta version of our new binary installer is released, which will include an option to install the proxy version. -- Kenny Pitt From kennypitt at hotmail.com Fri Jan 9 09:44:49 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Fri Jan 9 09:45:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes & Terminal Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Channi sandhu wrote: > I recently downloaded your software and have installed it on my > machine. Now the problem is that I wanted to install the software > just for myself rather that all users on that machine. Is there a way > to delete certain files from their documents & settings so that they > dont get the addin. If not, how does the software work in terms of > its spam database. Does it mean each user will have to customise > their spambayes or can i as the administrator on the machine > comfigure the software once and those settingfs can be used by other > users. First I'll describe how SpamBayes works with multiple user accounts, then I'll give you a way that you *may* be able to make it appear only for yourself. SpamBayes is designed to learn how to recognize spam based on the particular mix of good (ham) and spam messages that each individual user receives. Each user working with the add-in will get their own configuration and training data stored in their "Documents and Settings" directory, and they will need to configure and train SpamBayes separately. Because each user receives mail with different characteristics, the accuracy of the filtering would likely be much lower if multiple users shared a single training database. The following registry change *should* make SpamBayes appear under only one user account, but I emphasize that I've never tried this myself. By default, SpamBayes tries to register itself as an Outlook add-in in both the LOCAL_MACHINE settings and the CURRENT_USER settings of the person installing the app. The LOCAL_MACHINE registration is what makes it appear for all users, so removing it should in theory prevent that. The registration info is stored under the following registry key created by Microsoft Outlook: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Office\Outlook\Addins Under that key, you should find a key named "SpamBayes.OutlookAddin" containing several values. If you delete the entire "SpamBayes.OutlookAddin" key then SpamBayes should no longer appear as an add-in for other users. As Microsoft always warns, any registry edit can cause irrepairable harm if done incorrectly. This is a pretty simple edit and should do no permanent damage, but any risk associated with it is yours. -- Kenny Pitt From gary at commercialalert.org Fri Jan 9 13:44:47 2004 From: gary at commercialalert.org (Gary Ruskin) Date: Fri Jan 9 13:44:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] windows disabled SpamBayes -- how do I re-enable it Message-ID: <000001c3d6e0$a855a7b0$0200a8c0@GaryRuskin> Hi. I love SpamBayes. It has worked really well for me. But two days ago, Windows XP disabled my Spam Bayes Outlook plug-in. How do I re-enable it? Gary Gary Ruskin | Executive Director | Commercial Alert gary@commercialalert.org | http://www.commercialalert.org/ Congressional Accountability Project | http://www.congressproject.org Phone: 503.235.8012 | Fax: 503.235.5073 To subscribe to Commercial Alert's email list, go to or send a blank message to . Subscribers receive 1-2 emails per week. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Update: after disabling NAV on the client, I still get the same problem. NAV on the server merely flags the file without being able to quarantine it. From kennypitt at hotmail.com Fri Jan 9 16:29:57 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Fri Jan 9 16:30:56 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] windows disabled SpamBayes -- how do I re-enable it In-Reply-To: <000001c3d6e0$a855a7b0$0200a8c0@GaryRuskin> Message-ID: Gary Ruskin wrote: > Hi. I love SpamBayes. It has worked really well for me. Great! > But two days ago, Windows XP disabled my Spam Bayes Outlook plug-in. > > How do I re-enable it? Go to Help/About and click the "Disabled Items" button, and you'll probably find it listed there so you can re-enable it. However, Outlook will usually disable SpamBayes only if SpamBayes generates an error. If something is wrong with your SpamBayes setup then it may just get disabled again. If that happens, see if you can get a copy of the logfiles and send them to the list. There should be a "troubleshooting.html" file somewhere in your SpamBayes installation directory that explains how to find the logfiles. If you can't find it there, then there is a link to it online from this page: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html -- Kenny Pitt From TCompton at us.hydratightsweeney.com Fri Jan 9 16:47:42 2004 From: TCompton at us.hydratightsweeney.com (Compton, Tim) Date: Fri Jan 9 16:44:57 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBays Will Not Automatically Filter--manual filter works well Message-ID: *************Disclaimer************* This message is confidential and intended solely for the person to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient you must not read, copy, distribute, discuss, or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender as soon as possible. **********End of disclaimer********** <> For some reason SpamBays will not filter automatically (no filtering at all) but it filters manually very well. * Microsoft Outlook 2000 SR1 * Windows 2000 version 5 * 6 month old Dell PC * SpamBays is enabled * No error windows * This is a new installation, I am a new user. * I restarted Outlook and PC and this did not help * Looked through trouble shooting * Looked through reported errors Thanks, Tim Compton 303-749-6022 1-800-448-2524 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040109/36249770/attachment.html From spambayes at whateley.com Fri Jan 9 19:14:49 2004 From: spambayes at whateley.com (Brendon Whateley) Date: Fri Jan 9 19:14:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Db not saving spam/ham listings In-Reply-To: <007d01c3d651$35c3b820$1400a8c0@oppermann.org> References: <007d01c3d651$35c3b820$1400a8c0@oppermann.org> Message-ID: <200401091614.51018.spambayes@whateley.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 08 January 2004 05:37 pm, Brian Oppermann wrote: > Hello, > > I am using Spambayes 1.0a7 running as a POP3Proxy on Mandrake 9.2. I am > using Evolution as my mail client. I have setup Spambayes to run as a > daemon use the database at /home//.hammie.db. Everything works great > until I stop and restart the daemon or reboot the box. Once that happens, > spambayes forgets any mail it had classified before. Looking at the web > interface, it lists total emails trained: Spam: 0 Ham: 0. While it is > running I can classify ham and spam mails and they will show up. Then once > I reboot or restart the spambayes daemon, everything is reset. > > Thanks, > Brian I assume you are running sb_server.py? How are you starting spambayes? Brendon. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBP/9D+ZuupqACStRwEQI0zACfROCx2l0wux1Y/dskq6LMj4l5V88AnjL/ KKd5M4TimQELXq1m1CZeWJgT =Us8a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From overbored at overbored.net Fri Jan 9 23:14:28 2004 From: overbored at overbored.net (OvErboRed) Date: Fri Jan 9 23:14:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Missed Mail; Deleting Messages Message-ID: SpamBayes sometimes misses messages, even with background filtering enabled. I know this has been brought up before, but I'm wondering why it's able to score the messages, but not filter them, and whether or not there's anything I can do about it. Another question: since dragging a message to/from the Junk E-Mail folder is the same as using the "Delete as Spam" button, would dragging the messages to the Deleted Items folder (or hitting Delete) have the same effect? What about subsequently dragging them out of the Deleted Items folder? Also, does dragging to/from the Junk Suspects folder have any effect (where the other folder isn't Junk E-Mail)? Thanks in advance. From lovetest at lovecompatibilitytester.com Sat Jan 10 03:59:32 2004 From: lovetest at lovecompatibilitytester.com (Love Compatibility Tester) Date: Sat Jan 10 08:04:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] You have received a love compatibility test! Message-ID: <6$-od000846pmb61p@en5dk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040110/2dc4de08/attachment-0001.html From marklists at mceahern.com Sat Jan 10 08:38:03 2004 From: marklists at mceahern.com (Mark McEahern) Date: Sat Jan 10 08:41:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy web ui Message-ID: <1073741883.6896.11.camel@dev.internal> I was reviewing messages and prematurely clicked Train before I had reviewed them all. I wasn't sure how best to re-review those messages, so I built a list of all the message IDs in the various pop3proxy-*-cache folders (the message IDs are simply the filenames, it seems). And then, one-by-one, I entered the message IDs into the Find Message area of the home page. Maybe there's a more straightforward way I could have re-reviewed a set of messages? In the meantime, here are some ideas for tweaking the web UI to make what I did a little easier: 1. Use a textarea for entering the IDs. That way I could have just plopped the whole list in there. 2. Use GET instead of POST for that form. That way, I could have just modified the URL either one-by-one (e.g., review?messageID=x) or in batch (e.g., review?messageID=x&messageID=y...). If either of those seems like a good idea, I'd be willing to submit a patch--heh, once I figure out where the dang HTML is ;-) Cheers, // m From catscan at qis.net Sat Jan 10 09:56:34 2004 From: catscan at qis.net (Bob Case) Date: Sat Jan 10 09:56:25 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Where did my mail go? Message-ID: Right after installing spambayes, I right clicked an ebay bid confirm email that was in the junk suspect folder and moved it to my inbox. Well I don't know where the email went because it wasn't in my inbox or any other folder that I can find. Any suggestions? Thanks, WC Spencer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a POP3 proxy which sits between OE and your real POP3 server. As messages transit the proxy they are classified. The user interface for training is web-based. -- Skip Montanaro Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/submit.html Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/ skip@pobox.com From rg at richardgoldstein.com Sat Jan 10 19:41:54 2004 From: rg at richardgoldstein.com (Richard Goldsein) Date: Sat Jan 10 19:42:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Moving Filters to another pc Message-ID: <009d01c3d7db$baba0a30$6501a8c0@ThinkPadR40> I'm sure this has been asked & answered before but I don't know where to look. I've been using Spambayes on my laptop with great success. It's fabulous. Now I am switching from Pocomail to Outlook on my ddesktop solely because of Spambayes and would really like to move the existing filters on my laptop to the PC so I don't have to train a new installation of Spambayes all over again. Is this possible? Thanks! Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040110/09ac7b79/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Jan 10 19:59:45 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Jan 10 19:59:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook98 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7CBE1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677817@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > There is, as long as you are using a POP3 mail account. Or an IMAP mail account, in which case you can use sb_imapfilter, which also requires the source archive and Python. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Jan 10 20:02:15 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Jan 10 20:02:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7CC18@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677818@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I want to install your spam-filter for Outlook Express. > My PC is running under Windows 2000. Which can I download. You need to use sb_server, see: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Jan 10 20:04:50 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Jan 10 20:04:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Where did my mail go? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7CC37@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677819@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Right after installing spambayes, I right clicked an ebay bid > confirm email that was in the junk suspect folder and moved it > to my inbox. Note that it's usually better to use the "Recover from Spam" button in this sort of situation, so that SpamBayes is trained on that message. > Well I don't know where the email went because it > wasn't in my inbox or any other folder that I can find. Any suggestions? Have you tried looking for it? Outlook has a pretty good "Advanced Find" facility which should find it easily enough. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Jan 10 20:06:38 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Jan 10 20:07:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Moving Filters to another pc In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7CD12@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467781A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I'm sure this has been asked & answered before > but I don't know where to look. The FAQ is usually the best bet: > I've been using Spambayes on my laptop with great success. > It's fabulous. Now I am switching from Pocomail to Outlook > on my ddesktop solely because of Spambayes and would really > like to move the existing filters on my laptop to the PC so > I don't have to train a new installation of Spambayes all > over again. See FAQ 3.6: Note that you can use SpamBayes with Pocomail, although you don't get an integrated solution like with Outlook (you'd need to use sb_server). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Jan 10 20:12:29 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Jan 10 20:12:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy web ui In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7CC33@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A3F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Maybe there's a more straightforward way I could > have re-reviewed a set of messages? In the next release the 'find message' query has been improved quite a lot. You can search by id as now, but also by subject, in the headers, or in the body, and you can set the number of results that you want to find. (For your case, a search in the headers for the particular date would work, I imagine). > 1. Use a textarea for entering the IDs. That way I could > have just plopped the whole list in there. That wouldn't have worked - it would have tried to find an id with the whole lot, including newlines. When the new release comes out, it would be interesting to know if you still think that there needs to be more room or not. > 2. Use GET instead of POST for that form. That way, I could > have just modified the URL either one-by-one (e.g., > review?messageID=x) or in batch (e.g., > review?messageID=x&messageID=y...). This has already been done for the next release. > If either of those seems like a good idea, I'd be willing to > submit a patch--heh, once I figure out where the dang HTML is ;-) The html is in the file ui.html in spambayes/spambayes/resources (in the source release; this doesn't get installed with setup.py install). Thanks for the suggestions, though! Please keep them coming in, and we'll certainly take any patches on offer, although it's always best to either post a message like this to check that they haven't already been done (or to run from cvs). =Tony Meyer From sik1 at earthlink.net Sat Jan 10 21:00:56 2004 From: sik1 at earthlink.net (Nick C. Svolos) Date: Sat Jan 10 21:00:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Bug report or maybe I'm doing something wrong... Message-ID: <000001c3d7e6$c067e4b0$6401a8c0@groucho> First off, my apologies for bugging you with this. I tried to log this on SourceForge, but for the life of me I can't get it to give me the option to log a bug, even after logging in several times. I have been using SpamBayes 8.1 on Outlook2000 on a Win98SE machine for many months now and love it. It all worked fine. Over the holidays I upgraded to WinXP, and the SpamBayes install broke. I have since removed and reinstalled both SpamBayes and Outlook several times to see if I could work out the problem, but to no avail. The problem I have is that when I press either button on the SB toolbar in Outlook, a "Windows Installer" dialog pops up. It then asks me for the Microsoft Office 2000 Premium CD, stating that it's looking for the data1.msi file. But when I put that file in there, it's still not happy with it and it tells me that it's the wrong file. I have included the three log files from this install. Hopefully it will make a bit more sense to you that it's making for me. 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Also, does dragging to/from the Junk Suspects folder have any effect (where the other folder isn't Junk E-Mail)? Thanks in advance. From revertcadaval at wanadoo.es Sun Jan 11 05:11:01 2004 From: revertcadaval at wanadoo.es (Mar Revert Cadaval) Date: Sun Jan 11 05:11:06 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] deseo instalar este componente Message-ID: <000801c3d82b$3767d1d0$bdba3d51@sn7017687104> Estoy a punto de instalar python y necesito este componente llamado spambayes, y m?s concretamente su c?digo fuente. Mi sistema operativo es XP. Gracias por su atenci?n. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040111/0cc34d81/attachment-0001.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jan 11 05:38:18 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jan 11 05:38:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] deseo instalar este componente In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7CEB7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A43@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Estoy a punto de instalar python y necesito > este componente llamado spambayes, y m?s > concretamente su c?digo fuente. Mi sistema > operativo es XP. Gracias por su atenci?n. Usted puede descargar SpamBayes de: Usted puede descargar el python de: Espero que esto sea lo que usted pregunt? < gui?a >. =Tony Meyer --- Incluya por favor siempre la lista (spambayes@python.org) en sus contestaciones (contestar-todas), y por favor no me env?e el correo personal sobre SpamBayes. Esta manera, usted consigue a cada uno ayuda, y evita una carencia de contestaciones cuando estoy ocupado. (In English, I think) > I am on the verge of installing python and I need > this called component spambayes, and more > concretely its source code. My operative system > is XP. Thanks for its attention. You can download SpamBayes from: You can download Python from: I hope this is what you asked . =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From peter at pward.com Sun Jan 11 06:17:21 2004 From: peter at pward.com (Peter Ward) Date: Sun Jan 11 06:17:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Please help!! :) Message-ID: Hi there, I think your program is great, but for some reason, it does not work on my desktop pc at home. I have scoured through the troubleshooting and followed all of your recommended procedures but it has failed to solve the problem, which is this: I am unable to "configure" spambayes! When I select the "Configuration Wizard" from the Spambayes Manager option on the toolbar, the wizard fails to pop up! It seems to work on my laptop, but even when I have tried de-installing the entire program and deleting all of the associated files, including the log files in the local settings folder and the outcmd.dll file in the application data/microsoft/outlook folder, and the the problem still persists. When I re-install Spambayes, it automatically remembers the training settings but does not allow me to select the configuration wizard. This is even when I have deleted the "Junk Mail" and "Suspicious Junk Mail" folders that are automatically set up. Interestingly, when I re-installed it, these folders were not re-created. The problem arose in the first place when I accidentally deletd the "Junk Mail" folder and all of it's contents. Since then, I have been unable to run the configuration wizard at all. Finally, I have looked in Tools - Options - Other - Advanced Options - COM Add-Ins and there is nothing in there, no matter how many times I have reinstalled it. The same applies to the version on my laptop!! When looking at the log file, the final statement gives the following error: File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 337, in GetFolder NotFoundException: NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a On my laptop, the error reads: NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_NOT_FOUND): OLE error 0x8004010f Cancelling Wizard The only difference being that on my laptop, the configuration wizard DOES work. Please help, as I have spent half the day trying to resolves this, but to no avail. I look forward to hearing from you! Kindest rgards, Pete London From papaDoc at videotron.ca Sun Jan 11 10:00:28 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Sun Jan 11 10:00:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: [spambayes-dev] Upgraded proxy UI... In-Reply-To: <200401102302.42711.spambayes@whateley.com> References: <200401102302.42711.spambayes@whateley.com> Message-ID: <4001650C.6000501@videotron.ca> Hi Brendon, >4) "Rescore messages" displays recalculated scores for all the messages >instead of the original scores. This is useful for finding non-extreme >messages in older untrained messages. It's particularly valuable when you >score periodically. It means you don't score on many examples of the same >spam received over a period of days... > > I like this feature. If they don't want to include that in the code can you send me the patch ! Remi From marklists at mceahern.com Sun Jan 11 10:35:11 2004 From: marklists at mceahern.com (Mark McEahern) Date: Sun Jan 11 10:35:14 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy web ui In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A3F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A3F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1073835311.6896.72.camel@dev.internal> On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 19:12, Tony Meyer wrote: > > 1. Use a textarea for entering the IDs. That way I could > > have just plopped the whole list in there. > > That wouldn't have worked - it would have tried to find an id with the whole > lot, including newlines. When the new release comes out, it would be > interesting to know if you still think that there needs to be more room or > not. I'll certainly try the new release. For what it's worth, when I suggested using a textarea to allow a list (delimited either by comma, semicolon, or newline, I suppose), I figured that'd also require whatever handles that form submission to parse the field and handle it accordingly and be savvy enough to know whether it has one ID or several. I haven't studied the codebase enough to know whether what I'm suggesting is hard or not--doesn't seem obvious that it would be. Thanks very much for the reply. I suspect I won't be exercising this particular usage pattern often, but probably more than once. Cheers, // m From anthony at interlink.com.au Sun Jan 11 18:02:12 2004 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Sun Jan 11 18:02:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] using imapfilter as a proxy Message-ID: <200401112302.i0BN2Chs009956@localhost.localdomain> Does the sb_imapfilter work as a simple proxy? At the moment, I use fetchmail to retrieve email from both POP and IMAP servers, it would be nice if the IMAP proxying was just part of the sb_server code... Thanks, Anthony -- Anthony Baxter It's never too late to have a happy childhood. From anthony at interlink.com.au Sun Jan 11 18:28:10 2004 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Sun Jan 11 18:28:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] notes on sb_server Message-ID: <200401112328.i0BNSAT2010912@localhost.localdomain> I decided to toss my training database, and thought I'd try using sb_server for a while (rather than procmail + manual training). A few comments: If I kill a fetchmail that's sitting in the idle loop, it seems like sb_server keeps a connection to the POP server open. This is not good. At the moment, the "home" page is saying "Active POP3 conversations: -1" This seems wrong . As I mentioned, it'd be nice if the one server could proxy POP and IMAP. It would be nice if it was possible to train a bunch of messages, then say "rescore the rest of the messages that are still waiting to be classified". I'm trying to go with "training on the minimum possible" (it's my belief that overtraining will make the lots of random gibberish spams a fair bit harder to get right). An optional setting to say "discard everything < 0.02 and > 0.98" would be good - I believe someone offered patches for this on the weekend. From anthony at interlink.com.au Sun Jan 11 18:35:53 2004 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Sun Jan 11 18:36:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] notes on sb_server In-Reply-To: <200401112328.i0BNSAT2010912@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200401112335.i0BNZrK2011190@localhost.localdomain> Also... where is the option that puts 'unsure@', 'ham@', &c into the To line? It bugs me intensely, but I can't see where it's being done... It's also breaking my setup - fetchmail delivers to the local smtp server. Anthony. From anthony at interlink.com.au Sun Jan 11 18:43:01 2004 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Sun Jan 11 18:43:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] notes on sb_server Message-ID: <200401112343.i0BNh184011410@localhost.localdomain> >>> Anthony Baxter wrote > Also... where is the option that puts 'unsure@', 'ham@', &c into the > To line? It bugs me intensely, but I can't see where it's being done... *sigh* Don't mind me, I'm going prematurely blind. I found this one. -A. From anthony at interlink.com.au Sun Jan 11 19:10:22 2004 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Sun Jan 11 19:10:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: notes on sb_server Message-ID: <200401120010.i0C0AMcP012224@localhost.localdomain> >>> Anthony Baxter wrote > An optional setting to say "discard everything < 0.02 and > 0.98" > would be good - I believe someone offered patches for this on the > weekend. Here's a version I just whipped up. If this looks good to folks, I can commit it... RCS file: /cvsroot/spambayes/spambayes/spambayes/Options.py,v retrieving revision 1.98 diff -u -r1.98 Options.py --- spambayes/Options.py 5 Jan 2004 17:40:25 -0000 1.98 +++ spambayes/Options.py 12 Jan 2004 00:08:44 -0000 @@ -910,6 +910,18 @@ is classified as unsure?""", ("ham", "spam", "discard", "defer"), RESTORE), + ("ham_discard_level", "Ham Discard Level", 0, + """Hams scoring less than this percentage will default to being + discarded in the training interface (they won't be trained). + trained on.""", + INTEGER, RESTORE), + + ("spam_discard_level", "Spam Discard Level", 100, + """Spams scoring more than this percentage will default to being + discarded in the training interface (they won't be trained). + trained on.""", + INTEGER, RESTORE), + ("http_authentication", "HTTP Authentication", "None", """This option lets you choose the security level of the web interface. When selecting Basic or Digest, the user will be prompted a login and a Index: spambayes/ProxyUI.py =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/spambayes/spambayes/spambayes/ProxyUI.py,v retrieving revision 1.38 diff -u -r1.38 ProxyUI.py --- spambayes/ProxyUI.py 7 Jan 2004 06:04:44 -0000 1.38 +++ spambayes/ProxyUI.py 12 Jan 2004 00:08:44 -0000 @@ -138,6 +138,8 @@ ('html_ui', 'default_ham_action'), ('html_ui', 'default_spam_action'), ('html_ui', 'default_unsure_action'), + ('html_ui', 'ham_discard_level'), + ('html_ui', 'spam_discard_level'), ('html_ui', 'allow_remote_connections'), ('html_ui', 'http_authentication'), ('html_ui', 'http_user_name'), @@ -289,11 +291,18 @@ unused, unused, messageInfo.received = \ self._getTimeRange(self._keyToTimestamp(key)) row = self.html.reviewRow.clone() + score = float(messageInfo.score.rstrip('%')) if label == 'Spam': - r_att = getattr(row, options["html_ui", + if score > options["html_ui", "spam_discard_level"]: + r_att = getattr(row, 'discard') + else: + r_att = getattr(row, options["html_ui", "default_spam_action"]) elif label == 'Ham': - r_att = getattr(row, options["html_ui", + if score < options["html_ui", "ham_discard_level"]: + r_att = getattr(row, 'discard') + else: + r_att = getattr(row, options["html_ui", "default_ham_action"]) else: r_att = getattr(row, options["html_ui", From anthony at interlink.com.au Sun Jan 11 21:22:23 2004 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Sun Jan 11 21:22:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: notes on sb_server Message-ID: <20040112022223.B430925AF48@bonanza.off.ekorp.com> Another one: the proxy should track message-ids, and only present a message for training once. My work email is forwarded to my work mailbox and my personal mailbox, in my .procmailrc I have :0 Wh : msgid.lock | $FORMAIL -D 65536 msgid.cache which suppresses the duplicates. When I'm seeing messages to mailing lists that are also cc'd to me, they're also getting presented in the training interface twice. Anthony From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jan 11 22:54:06 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jan 11 22:54:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] notes on sb_server In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7CFDF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A44@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Does the sb_imapfilter work as a simple proxy? No, it's just a filter. > At the moment, I use fetchmail to retrieve email > from both POP and IMAP servers, it would be nice > if the IMAP proxying was just part of the sb_server > code... When imapfilter was first created the people asking for it at that time preferred a filter to a proxy, and so that was what got created. Sadly, no-one has come forward to take up the reins of imapfilter, so it languishes a bit compared to the other apps (because IMAP is crap, probably ). I'm not sure how an IMAP proxy would work, either (although there are probably examples that could be found), since the mail stays on the server. Would it just proxy so that local messages were classified (and so not exact copies of the ones on the server)? Would that cause troubles? In any case, writing a simple IMAP proxy, based on the POP3 proxy in sb_server wouldn't be that hard, I don't think (but then I thought imapfilter would be easier than it turned out to be) if you want to do it <0.5 wink>. > If I kill a fetchmail that's sitting in the idle loop, it > seems like sb_server keeps a connection to the POP server > open. This is not good. Wouldn't the sb_server connection timeout after whatever the socket timeout is (60s?)? (I don't know, it's just what I would guess would happen). If not, open a bug and assign it to Richie <0.5 wink>. > At the moment, the "home" page is saying "Active POP3 > conversations: -1" This seems wrong . Does this happen after the killing fetchmail mentioned above? If so, it'd presumably be solved by solving the above. > It would be nice if it was possible to train a bunch of > messages, then say "rescore the rest of the messages that are > still waiting to be classified". I'm trying to go with > "training on the minimum possible" (it's my belief that > overtraining will make the lots of random gibberish spams a > fair bit harder to get right). This was one of the other patches described by Brendon Whateley. It sounds like a reasonable enough request. sb_server does probably tend towards train-on-everything (whereas the Outlook plug-in probably tends towards fpfnunsure (mistake-based-training) training), but then we still don't really have a consensus about what is good. (My point being that patches like this and the next one help make the training regime more user selectable). There's a feature request or patch (can't recall which) for this sort of thing for the plug-in, too, BTW. > An optional setting to say "discard everything < 0.02 and > > 0.98" would be good - I believe someone offered patches for > this on the weekend. Brendon Whateley described patches, but didn't offer them. His was a bit different - it removed messages from the page, rather than defaulting to discard, and it presented the option to do so on all review pages. I like yours a lot more than his (although I haven't see his code). Yours is only accessible via the Advanced options page, which seems better to me, and doesn't actually stop people missing any false positives/negatives that score 1.0/0.0. I'm +1 on your patch being checked in, but others might like his more (Brendon - can you send in a patch?). Richie - what do you think? My only change to your patch would be to make the options REAL instead of INTEGER so that we avoid people asking us for that later when they want to use 99.5% and so on. > It's also breaking my setup - fetchmail delivers to the local smtp > server. sb_server is doing this? Do you have all the servers/ports specified correctly? Are you using the POP3 proxy and SMTP proxy, or just the POP3 one? > Another one: the proxy should track message-ids, and only present > a message for training once. +1 to this, as long as it's an option that can be turned off. The message-id could be stored in the messageinfo db easily enough. If you want, you can open a feature request and assign this to me (or, of course, just write it yourself :). You mentioned the notate_to and notate_subject options; I see that you found them in the end, but these should have been off by default - was that not the case? =Tony Meyer From anthony at interlink.com.au Sun Jan 11 23:02:39 2004 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Sun Jan 11 23:02:53 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] notes on sb_server In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A44@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <20040112040239.57C9725AF48@bonanza.off.ekorp.com> >>> "Tony Meyer" wrote > I'm not sure how an IMAP proxy would work, either (although there are > probably examples that could be found), since the mail stays on the server. > Would it just proxy so that local messages were classified (and so not exact > copies of the ones on the server)? Would that cause troubles? > > In any case, writing a simple IMAP proxy, based on the POP3 proxy in > sb_server wouldn't be that hard, I don't think (but then I thought > imapfilter would be easier than it turned out to be) if you want to do it > <0.5 wink>. Well, it doesn't need to do the full IMAP - just the subset implemented by fetchmail. Fetchmail pulls stuff down with IMAP, and then nukes it from the server. Why not just use POP? Well, IMAP-over-SSL means I can get work email securely - can't do this with POP. > My only change to your patch would be to make the options REAL instead of > INTEGER so that we avoid people asking us for that later when they want to > use 99.5% and so on. Ok, I'll fix this and check it in. > sb_server is doing this? Do you have all the servers/ports specified > correctly? Are you using the POP3 proxy and SMTP proxy, or just the POP3 > one? The 'notate_to' option was putting crap in the to line, and this seemed to be causing issues. But sendmail also decided this morning that it hates me, so it's possible that this was part of it's vendetta against me. > > Another one: the proxy should track message-ids, and only present > > a message for training once. > > +1 to this, as long as it's an option that can be turned off. The > message-id could be stored in the messageinfo db easily enough. If you > want, you can open a feature request and assign this to me (or, of course, > just write it yourself :). I'll have a look into this. But not soon - so if you've got a couple of hours burning a whole in your pocket, go crazy... :) From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jan 11 23:49:51 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jan 11 23:49:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] notes on sb_server In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7D04B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677826@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Why not just use POP? Well, IMAP-over-SSL means I can > get work email securely - can't do this with POP. Couldn't you use POP-over-SSL? Not that this would solve things in SpamBayes terms, though, since sb_server doesn't handle proxying POP-over-SSL (although there's a very old feature request for it). > I'll have a look into this. But not soon - so if you've got a > couple of hours burning a whole in your pocket, go crazy... :) The graphs from incremental.py are so pretty that they're burning whatever hours I have at the moment, so it's not likely :). I'll let you know if I do decide to, so that we both don't :) =Tony Meyer From anthony at interlink.com.au Mon Jan 12 01:58:44 2004 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Mon Jan 12 01:58:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] notes on sb_server In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A44@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <20040112065844.A275625AF48@bonanza.off.ekorp.com> >>> "Tony Meyer" wrote > > An optional setting to say "discard everything < 0.02 and > > > 0.98" would be good - I believe someone offered patches for > > this on the weekend. > > Brendon Whateley described patches, but didn't offer them. His was a bit > different - it removed messages from the page, rather than defaulting to > discard, and it presented the option to do so on all review pages. I like > yours a lot more than his (although I haven't see his code). Yours is only > accessible via the Advanced options page, which seems better to me, and > doesn't actually stop people missing any false positives/negatives that > score 1.0/0.0. I'm +1 on your patch being checked in, but others might like > his more (Brendon - can you send in a patch?). Richie - what do you think? I've found that this produces _vastly_ improved scoring for me, so I've checked in my version (after changing the option to REAL from INTEGER). I dumped my previous (TOE for a while, then train on mistakes/unsure) database this morning, in favour of a non-edge training regime. I haven't got the time to run a full set of statistics (all available CPU time is currently being spent reprocessing about 80G of billing data from the last 5 years (don't ask)), but under the old training regime, a small but non-zero number of the random gibberish spams were leaking through with scores of 0.0 or 0.01. Since I switched to this, none have leaked. The stats from a few hours of processing today: Total emails trained: Spam: 23 Ham: 42 SpamBayes has processed 328 messages - 176 (54%) good, 99 (30%) spam and 53 (16%) unsure. 41 messages were manually classified as good (2 were false positives). 22 messages were manually classified as spam (0 were false negatives). 22 unsure messages were manually identified as good, and 15 as spam. The false positives were because I stupidly trained on a single spam first. I'd almost suggest putting in a 'you have to train on 5 spam and 5 ham before it starts filtering' rule into the proxy. The gibberish spams are being nailed again. The number of messages being trained on (scoring outside [0.02 - 0.98] has dropped to almost zero, as have the unsures. I have to wonder if making non-edge the default option in the next release of the code (with advice to toss the training database) isn't a bad plan. Anthony -- Anthony Baxter It's never too late to have a happy childhood. From Alfred.Peisl at sulzer.de Mon Jan 12 04:39:55 2004 From: Alfred.Peisl at sulzer.de (Peisl, Alfred) Date: Mon Jan 12 04:37:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] "Re: ..." classified as junk suspect Message-ID: <3788C98195E0D311812E00500467D281011010ED@mailsrv.sulzer.de> Hallo, first i want to say that the SpamBayes plugin works great. I'm very satisfied. - Today i found the answer to a mail i have sent to a friend classified as junk suspect. This should not happen to answers. With best regards A.Peisl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040112/a53d7bab/attachment.html From sbehrens at gmx.li Mon Jan 12 08:35:05 2004 From: sbehrens at gmx.li (Thorsten Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 12 08:29:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] "Re: ..." classified as junk suspect In-Reply-To: <3788C98195E0D311812E00500467D281011010ED@mailsrv.sulzer.de> References: <3788C98195E0D311812E00500467D281011010ED@mailsrv.sulzer.de> Message-ID: <4002A289.8060001@gmx.li> Peisl, Alfred wrote: > I'm very satisfied. - Today i found the answer to a mail i have > sent to a friend classified as junk suspect. This should not > happen to answers. The easy answer is: Then you need to train Spambayes that that particular mail is Ham, and it will learn. That's the whole point of Bayesian filters: They have no preconception whatsoever of what category a message to be classified falls into. Spambayes without further tweaks knows two categories (Spam and Ham), and is clever enough to mark something "Unsure" if the categorization attempt delivers an ambigious result. If it marked a message as "Unsure" that is "Ham", then the training wasn't sufficient yet, mayhap, and training it on that message will improve its performance. Now, another way to read your email is to say "SpamBayes should classify all messages sourced from addresses in my address book as Ham. I submit this as an RFE for the Outlook plugin." Not a bad idea. I don't know whether the Outlook plugin already does that (I don't think so), or whether there are plans to make it do that. If you feel very strongly about that feature, you can always offer your aid to the development group and add the feature. The pop3proxy will never gain that feature, I wager, as it has no way of knowing your address book Not sure about the imapproxy - does imap keep address books as well as messages? Yours Thorsten From skip at pobox.com Mon Jan 12 09:58:08 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Mon Jan 12 09:58:40 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] notes on sb_server In-Reply-To: <20040112040239.57C9725AF48@bonanza.off.ekorp.com> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A44@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <20040112040239.57C9725AF48@bonanza.off.ekorp.com> Message-ID: <16386.46592.493833.982432@montanaro.dyndns.org> Anthony> Well, it doesn't need to do the full IMAP - just the subset Anthony> implemented by fetchmail. Fetchmail pulls stuff down with IMAP, Anthony> and then nukes it from the server. Why not just use POP? Well, Anthony> IMAP-over-SSL means I can get work email securely - can't do Anthony> this with POP. There is POP over SSL. Is that not available to you? Skip From jsadofsky at fnni.com Mon Jan 12 10:53:09 2004 From: jsadofsky at fnni.com (Sadofsky, Jerry) Date: Mon Jan 12 10:53:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Spambayes and Windows 95 version Message-ID: <200401121554.i0CFAo1m014301@man.fnni.net> Which version will work with Outlook 2000 running on Windows 95 OS > Jerry Sadofsky > Lead Network Services Engineer > First National Bank of Omaha > Direct Dial 402-633-7244 > E-mail jsadofsky@fnni.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040112/2c1dcb6f/attachment.html From KSellati at nc.rr.com Mon Jan 12 13:35:10 2004 From: KSellati at nc.rr.com (Kasey Sellati) Date: Mon Jan 12 13:35:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Accidentally deleted the Junk mail folder Message-ID: Hello: I created another folder but it says I need to configure it. How do I do this? When I go to the manager and click configure, nothing happens. Outlook 2000. windows XP Home edition Thanks you. Kasey From kennypitt at hotmail.com Mon Jan 12 13:37:23 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Mon Jan 12 13:38:09 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Accidentally deleted the Junk mail folder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kasey Sellati wrote: > I created another folder but it says I need to configure it. > How do I do this? When I go to the manager and click configure, > nothing happens. Check FAQ 3.13 and see if that helps. http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam -folder -- Kenny Pitt From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jan 12 13:43:45 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Seth Goodman) Date: Mon Jan 12 13:44:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] notes on sb_server In-Reply-To: <20040112065844.A275625AF48@bonanza.off.ekorp.com> Message-ID: [Anthony Baxter] > I have to wonder if making non-edge the default option in the next > release of the code (with advice to toss the training database) isn't > a bad plan. Probably not a bad plan at all. FWIW, I have been running a related regime manually with the plug-in for a while and it works very well. Here's my setup: I originally trained with an incrementally selected reduced training set based on a corpus of around 7800 spam and 2500 ham. The incremental selection was as follows: add the 5 worst-scoring messages of each type to the training set, rescore the corpus, repeat until all non-trained spam in the corpus scored at least 90% (the hams quickly approached 0.0%). The resulting training set was 640 spam/640 ham (about 12% of the total corpus). With thresholds of 80/5, there were only three unsures in the entire corpus of 10K+ messages (the unsures were all trained messages: one ham, two spam). I then start with this training set and "train on almost everything" daily with asymmetric training thresholds (90/0.1) to partly mimic the original training scheme. Using classification thresholds of 80/5, my composite stats with this manual regime since 12/16/2003 have been: total spam 2889 total ham 376 fn 8 0.28% fp 0 0.00% unsure 133 4.07% The ham number is so low because I use Outlook rules to siphon off all the mailing list traffic before the classifier starts. Virtually all unsures were spam (I haven't tracked it, but the number of unsure ham was certainly less than 5). The only issue I've have with this regime previously is that after a while, the performance goes down (unsures increase). Presumably, this is because reduced training sets are hapax-driven and are very sensitive to exactly which messages are trained, but that's just a guess. You then have to go back to the original spam corpus with the new messages added and tweak the training set to get performance back up. A larger training set based on train on almost everything would probably have fewer unsures. These fp and fn results are encouraging, while the unsure rate is mediocre. With nham so low, we can't have much confidence in the measured fp rate (I don't know the distribution, but the ham scores are tightly grouped around zero; does anyone know how to calculate the SD of the fp estimate based on this number of nham?). I am fooling around with variable expiration times based on how "wrong" a particular message classification was to see if I can possibly keep a reduced training set up-to-date automatically and if that is, in fact, a reasonable thing to do at all. Maybe the pure train on almost everything regime with a long time expiration (like Alex's four months) will be the ultimate? -- Seth Goodman Humans: off-list replies to sethg [at] GoodmanAssociates [dot] com Spambots: disregard the above From irosoff at launchpadonline.com Mon Jan 12 15:49:55 2004 From: irosoff at launchpadonline.com (Ilene Rosoff) Date: Mon Jan 12 15:49:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with SpamBayes Message-ID: <000001c3d94d$a5a4b550$6401a8c0@screamer> I've had SpamBayes SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-0081.exe version working fine with my Outlook 2002 for sometime. It suddenly stopped working. The tool bar shows in Outlook but will not drop down to configure. I have uninstalled and reinstalled the program several times. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Ilene Rosoff irosoff@launchpadonline.com The Launch Pad www.launchpadonline.com 813-920-0788/206 From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Mon Jan 12 16:31:35 2004 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Mon Jan 12 16:34:40 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] "Re: ..." classified as junk suspect Message-ID: Looking up the origin of every possible spam message in the address book might turn out to be a high-overhead operation. Also, where is it written that people in my address book can never send me mail that I'd consider spam? Numerous viruses have been known to automatically send spam to the victim's correspondents. And I've had a lot of junk forwarded to me by unsophisticated (in the computer sense) friends. If the Outlook plugin ever acquires the "feature" you describe, I think I'd want to be able to turn it off. ;^) Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: Thorsten Behrens [mailto:sbehrens@gmx.li] > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 8:35 AM > To: Peisl, Alfred; spambayes@python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] "Re: ..." classified as junk suspect > > > Peisl, Alfred wrote: > > > I'm very satisfied. - Today i found the answer to a mail i have > > sent to a friend classified as junk suspect. This should not > > happen to answers. > > > The easy answer is: Then you need to train Spambayes that that > particular mail is Ham, and it will learn. > ... > > Now, another way to read your email is to say "SpamBayes should classify > all messages sourced from addresses in my address book as Ham. I submit > this as an RFE for the Outlook plugin." Not a bad idea. I don't know > whether the Outlook plugin already does that (I don't think so), or > whether there are plans to make it do that. If you feel very strongly > about that feature, you can always offer your aid to the development > group and add the feature. > The pop3proxy will never gain that feature, I wager, as it has no way of > knowing your address book Not sure about the imapproxy - does imap keep > address books as well as messages? > > Yours > Thorsten From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jan 12 16:58:43 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jan 12 16:58:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] "Re: ..." classified as junk suspect In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7D122@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677828@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Now, another way to read your email is to say "SpamBayes > should classify all messages sourced from addresses in > mu address book as Ham. I submit this as an RFE for the > Outlook plugin." This is basically asking for whitelisting, which has been discussed a *lot*. Googling for "site:mail.python.org spambayes whitelisting" should find most of it. There's also a FAQ: This covers pretty much everything - the two most important points (IMO) are that (1) if someone submitted a patch, it very well might make it into the code, and (2) you can duplicate any whitelisting using Outlook's built-in rules. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jan 12 17:00:20 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jan 12 17:00:25 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7D212@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677829@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I've had SpamBayes SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-0081.exe version > working fine with my Outlook 2002 for sometime. It suddenly > stopped working. The tool bar shows in Outlook but will not > drop down to configure. I have uninstalled and reinstalled > the program several times. Try these: 1. Check that Outlook hasn't disabled SpamBayes. You find disabled items in the Help menu, under "About Microsoft Outlook". In the dialog box that pops up, there's a "Disabled Items" button. 2. Try removing your configuration file. This is in the data directory (the FAQ explains where that is), called "[profilename].ini" or "Outlook.ini". =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jan 12 17:00:59 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jan 12 17:01:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Spambayes and Windows 95 version In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7D167@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467782A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Which version will work with Outlook 2000 running > on Windows 95 OS You're best off with version 008.1 (the latest) of the Outlook plug-in, available from the downloads page. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jan 12 17:12:37 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jan 12 17:13:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Spambayes and Windows 95 version In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7D22C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467782D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > It looked like that would only work with Windows 98 and above. No, as we say (FAQ 3.1 ), it works with any version of Windows. What made you think it was Windows 98 and above? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From YoungEliz at cox.net Mon Jan 12 17:36:04 2004 From: YoungEliz at cox.net (Elizabeth Young) Date: Mon Jan 12 17:36:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Bounceback option Message-ID: <000001c3d95c$76a3f0e0$0300a8c0@ELIZ> You have the BEST spamblocker out there! I have compared you to Norton and McAfee and yours works better. An option that you do not support is the ability to bounce back spam so that it looks as if the email address is invalid. Is that in the works? Thanks, Elizabeth Young youngeliz@cox.net Current version .81 Operating System Windows XP Microsoft Outlook XP user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is that in the works? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040112/269ac132/attachment-0001.html From arvid at linux.se Mon Jan 12 17:45:46 2004 From: arvid at linux.se (Arvid Andersson) Date: Mon Jan 12 17:45:56 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] How do I look in the database? Message-ID: <20040112224546.GA5017@shell.linux.se> Hello, This is my first post here. I've been using spambayes for a couple of weeks and it's working just great. I removed spamassassin after reading the 'plan for spam' article and 'a statistical approach...' and like so many others I decided to write my own spam filter :) I gave up and that's when I installed spambayes. My question is about the database. I'm curious and I'd like to browse it, see what my most/least spam-indicating word is and so on. Are there any programs for that included, or only the word query on the web interface? /Arvid From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jan 12 17:52:43 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jan 12 17:52:48 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] How do I look in the database? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7D256@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A46@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > My question is about the database. I'm curious and I'd like > to browse it, see what my most/least spam-indicating word is > and so on. Are there any programs for that included, or only > the word query on the web interface? Apart from the word query on the web interface (note that you can turn on an "Advanced" version of it, so that you can check more than one word at once), there are also two scripts that you can use. scripts/sb_expimp.py converts a (bsddb/pickle) database to/from flat, '`' separated, text. You can then use whatever you like to view it. contrib/spamcounts.py (not in 1.0a7, you'll need cvs) does searches through the database and prints out the results. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From ltrag at optonline.net Mon Jan 12 17:55:51 2004 From: ltrag at optonline.net (Lanny Trager) Date: Mon Jan 12 17:56:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Bounceback option In-Reply-To: <000001c3d95c$76a3f0e0$0300a8c0@ELIZ> References: <000001c3d95c$76a3f0e0$0300a8c0@ELIZ> Message-ID: <200401121755.51207.ltrag@optonline.net> On Monday 12 January 2004 17:36, Elizabeth Young wrote: > You have the BEST spamblocker out there! I have compared you to Norton > and McAfee and yours works better. > > An option that you do not support is the ability to bounce back spam so > that it looks as if the email address is invalid. Is that in the works? > > Thanks, > Elizabeth Young > youngeliz@cox.net > > Current version .81 > Operating System Windows XP > Microsoft Outlook XP user Elizabeth, This list has a strong tradition of gentleness so I will do my best to gently respond. A quick search of the list would have given you your answer. A cluefull gulp of netiquette would have informed you that it is polite to hang around a list for a while and get the general flavor before posting. Since your suggestion is posted every couple of weeks you would now already have your answer. Elizabeth, one thing you should know about spammers, they always lie. They even lie with respect to their return address, so bouncing spam will just victimize some poor soul whose e-mail address has been chosen at random in place of the spammer's. Or even worse, it may be a joe job, in which case the return address is not random but is the address of some other poor soul that the spammer would like to see collect the blame and bad karma points for spamming. Upon reading my response, I realize that it is not quite as gentle as I intended it to be, for that I apologize to you and to the list, although it does contain the answer to your question. Lanny -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Email From TDevick at advsol.com Mon Jan 12 17:56:37 2004 From: TDevick at advsol.com (Tim Devick) Date: Mon Jan 12 17:58:03 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spamBayes doesn't seem to train that some junk suspects are good email Message-ID: <98DDCBDBFE72C5428976B2FCD3A5566E066D19E2@txex1.asi.local> I have some email that I receive from specific email addresses that spamBayes has decided are "junk suspects". When I find these emails in my junk suspects folder, I click on RECOVER FROM SPAM and it puts them back in my inbox. I've done this numerous times and yet it still classifies these email addresses as possible spam. Why won't it learn that these aren't spam after I click on RECOVER FROM SPAM over and over again on these messages? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040112/7ed328e0/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jan 12 18:03:13 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jan 12 18:04:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spamBayes doesn't seem to train that some junk suspectsare good email In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7D25C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467782F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have some email that I receive from specific > email addresses that spamBayes has decided are > "junk suspects". When I find these emails in my > junk suspects folder, I click on RECOVER FROM SPAM > and it puts them back in my inbox. I've done this > numerous times and yet it still classifies these > email addresses as possible spam. Why won't it learn > that these aren't spam after I click on RECOVER FROM > SPAM over and over again on these messages? Do you have a roughly equal number of ham and spam messages trained? SpamBayes works much better in that case. Otherwise, we can't really help unless we see the clues. In fact, if *you* look at the clues for the message, then you can probably see why it scores what it does. If not, then post us an example of the clues, and we can explain it to you. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com Mon Jan 12 18:09:07 2004 From: Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com (Robert Mezzone) Date: Mon Jan 12 18:09:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spamBayes doesn't seem to train that some junk su spects are good email Message-ID: <1254A68F4903D411B24800508B1220E9037A7ECD@solomon1.pjsc.internal> A couple of my users have the same problem. Would love to find an answer. Robert -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org To: spambayes@python.org Sent: Mon Jan 12 17:56:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spamBayes doesn't seem to train that some junk suspects are good email I have some email that I receive from specific email addresses that spamBayes has decided are "junk suspects". When I find these emails in my junk suspects folder, I click on RECOVER FROM SPAM and it puts them back in my inbox. I've done this numerous times and yet it still classifies these email addresses as possible spam. Why won't it learn that these aren't spam after I click on RECOVER FROM SPAM over and over again on these messages? From arvid at linux.se Mon Jan 12 18:45:06 2004 From: arvid at linux.se (Arvid Andersson) Date: Mon Jan 12 18:45:09 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] How do I look in the database? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A46@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7D256@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A46@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <20040112234506.GA5836@shell.linux.se> On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 11:52:43AM +1300, Tony Meyer wrote: > > My question is about the database. I'm curious and I'd like > > to browse it, see what my most/least spam-indicating word is > > and so on. Are there any programs for that included, or only > > the word query on the web interface? > > scripts/sb_expimp.py converts a (bsddb/pickle) database to/from flat, '`' > separated, text. You can then use whatever you like to view it. That's just what I was looking for, thanks. /Arvid From tommy.mouser at hp.com Mon Jan 12 18:50:34 2004 From: tommy.mouser at hp.com (MOUSER,TOMMY (HP-Boise,ex1)) Date: Mon Jan 12 18:51:24 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express question Message-ID: <345D43ADFFFF864298F9ECD6C5D574E804CCCE5A@xboi21.boise.itc.hp.com> Greeting all, I'm trying to install spambayes on a Window XP system that uses Outlook Express. I've successfully downloaded and installed Spambayes. I have the pop3proxy up and running and have configured Spambayes by opening a browser window to . Spambayes is now configured to look at the Pop3 and SMTP servers that were configured directly in Outlook Express. Now I need to reconfigure Outlook Express to look at the Spambayes proxies. This is the part I'm having trouble with. The readme file say ...... You need to configure your email client to talk to the proxies instead of the real email servers. Change your equivalent of "pop3.example.com" to "localhost" (or to the name of the machine you're running the proxy on) in your email client's setup, and do the same with your equivalent of "smtp.example.com". I've tried localhost and localhost:8890. (8890 is the port number I chose). In both cases Outlook Express returns a failure stating the mail server can not be found. Any insights that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, tm From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jan 12 19:07:05 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jan 12 19:07:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express question In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7D27D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A48@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Now I need to reconfigure Outlook Express to look at the > Spambayes proxies. This is the part I'm having trouble with. [...] > I've tried localhost and localhost:8890. (8890 is the port > number I chose). Try telnetting to localhost:8890 and seeing if that opens a connection for you or not. If not, then it's unlikely that you're proxying there. Try using the default ports of 110 and 25 to proxy on, rather than 8890 (and ?), unless you are already using those for something. This way the setup is very simple, because you don't have to fiddle around with ports at all. Do you definitely have the values entered correctly? In the "Remote Servers" box, you should have something like "pop.example.com", and in the "SpamBayes Ports" box, you should have something like "110" (or "8890", if you really need to). Note that you can't proxy two things on one port, so, for example, you'll need to use different ports for POP3 and SMTP, and different ports for each server you are proxying. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From papaDoc at videotron.ca Mon Jan 12 19:33:24 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (Remi Ricard) Date: Mon Jan 12 19:31:33 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express question In-Reply-To: <345D43ADFFFF864298F9ECD6C5D574E804CCCE5A@xboi21.boise.itc.hp.com> References: <345D43ADFFFF864298F9ECD6C5D574E804CCCE5A@xboi21.boise.itc.hp.com> Message-ID: <1073954002.3343.13.camel@porsche.hq.simlog.com> Hi, > I'm trying to install spambayes on a Window XP system that uses Outlook > Express. This is not a good start ;-) > I've successfully downloaded and installed Spambayes. I have the pop3proxy > up and running and have configured Spambayes by opening a browser window to > . Spambayes is now configured to look at the Pop3 > and SMTP servers that were configured directly in Outlook Express. If you are able to configure this mean your proxy is running. Now your proxy is running (this is localhost) and it communicate through port 8880 for its web page and proxy pop communication through port 8890. (As you say below). > I've tried localhost and localhost:8890. (8890 is the port number I chose). You can check if you proxy does its job. Go to your browser and type for url: telnet://localhost:8890 You should have see a window opening with this line in it or something similar. +OK QPOP (version 2.53) at pop.yourIsoPopServer.com If you get this then your pop3proxy is proxying and OE is not configured properly and I can help you with that. YOu have to go to the configuration page of the pop3proxy and set the Remote server to pop.yourIsp.com Then This is the options found in the proxy configuration: Remi From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Mon Jan 12 21:48:13 2004 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Mon Jan 12 21:48:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: [BAYES-NEWS] Call for Papers -- First Conference on Email and Anti-Spam Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304AD136B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> A colleague forwarded this to me, I figured that others here might also be interested if you haven't heard of it already. Enjoy :) -----Original Message----- From: David Heckerman [mailto:heckerma@microsoft.com] Sent: Sat 10/01/2004 1:20 p.m. To: bayes-news@stat.cmu.edu Cc: Subject: [BAYES-NEWS] Call for Papers -- First Conference on Email and Anti-Spam The First Conference on Email and Anti-Spam (CEAS) Preliminary Call for Papers July 30, 31 and August 1, 2004 Mountain View, CA Immediately Follows AAAI 2004 http://www.ceas.cc In Cooperation with AAAI and IEEE Technical Committee on Security and Privacy General Conference Chair: David Heckerman (Microsoft Research) Program Co-Chairs: Tom Berson (Anagram Laboratories) Joshua Goodman (Microsoft Research) Andrew Ng (Stanford University) The Conference on Email and Anti-Spam invites the submission of papers for its first meeting, held in cooperation with AAAI (the American Association for Artificial Intelligence). Papers are invited on all aspects of email and spam, including research papers, industry reports, and law and policy papers. Research: Computer science oriented academic-style research Industry: Descriptions of important or innovative products Law and Policy: Legal and policy papers Research papers include experimental or theoretical, academic-style papers on all aspects of email and spam, including but not limited to: Techniques for stopping spam, including Machine learning techniques Postage techniques (HIPs or computation, possibly in response to a challenge) Disposable email addresses Protocols for sender authentication and verification Digital signatures Proof of group membership Role and significance of spam as a malware vector Spam traceback New features for email systems Automatic foldering Sorting, clustering, or searching email, including both machine learning techniques and user interface research. Advanced calendaring and scheduling Digital rights management research as applied to email Public Key Infrastructure in an email environment Industry papers describe products or systems (commercial or open source) and matters of commercial or practical interest. Papers claiming excellent results should include good experimental or theoretical evidence supporting the claims. Example topics include Industry cooperation for stopping spam New standards and interoperability For spam For calendaring and scheduling Public key infrastructure for encryption and identity Digital rights management New products, especially those with novel features Legal and policy papers focus on topics such as What new laws or social institutions are most appropriate for spam or other email topics Legal strategies for stopping spam The CAN-SPAM act and potential FTC regulations International legal approaches What can/should be done about Phisher scams and other email scams The economics of spam Email and identity: who should control it? Email and privacy, email at work. In all three areas, submissions closely related to email, such as instant messaging, chat rooms, usenet groups, and mailing lists will also be given full consideration. KEY DATES: ----------- Paper Submission Deadline: April 16 Notification of acceptance: June 1 Final camera-ready version of papers: July 1 Main Conference: July 30 and 31 Workshops: August 1 REQUIREMENTS: Papers may be of one of two types: extended abstracts (two pages) or full papers (at most 8 pages, including appendices and bibliography). Work may not have been previously published in any conference or journal, and simultaneous submissions are not allowed. Papers will be reviewed by a committee from academic and industrial research centers. Papers should be 11 point in single column format. Accepted papers will be made freely available on the web, and will be published on CD-ROM. Authors will retain copyright of their work. A call for workshop proposals will follow this call for papers. Suggestions for panel discussions are also welcome, and should be sent to the Program Chairs at information@ceas.cc. PROGRAM COMMITTEE Martmn Abadi (University of California, Santa Cruz) Josh Alspector (AOL) Richard Clayton (University of Cambridge) Cynthia Dwork (Microsoft Research) Tom Fawcett (HP Labs) Eric Horvitz (Microsoft Research) John Lafferty (CMU) David D. Lewis (Ornarose, Inc. and David D. Lewis Consulting) Miles Libbey (Yahoo! Inc.) Andrew McCallum (U. Mass. Amherst) Kevin McCurley (IBM Almaden) Ralph Merkle (Georgia Tech) John Platt (Microsoft Research) Jon Praed (Internet Law Group) Mehran Sahami (Google and Stanford) Neil Schwartzman (PeteMoss SpamNews) Diana Smetters (PARC) Ian Smith (Intel Research Seattle) William S. Yerazunis (MERL) CONTACT: information@ceas.cc - To unsubscribe from bayes-news send email to majordomo@stat.cmu.edu with message body: unsubscribe bayes-news or visit http://lib.stat.cmu.edu/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040113/bae2dfdc/attachment-0001.html From tpeters at mixcom.com Mon Jan 12 21:52:02 2004 From: tpeters at mixcom.com (Tom Peters) Date: Mon Jan 12 21:55:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express question In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A48@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7D27D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040112204239.0b63bd70@localhost> At 01:07 PM 1/13/2004 +1300, Tony Meyer wrote: >Try using the default ports of 110 and 25 to proxy on, rather than 8890 (and >?), unless you are already using those for something. This way the setup is >very simple, because you don't have to fiddle around with ports at all. I think Tony knows more about Spambayes than I do, but I had trouble using the same ports to go in on as to come out on, i.e. I couldn't use 110 and 25, because I'm using Norton Anti-virus. Changing to 3110 and 3025 fixed it immediately. HOWEVER, you CAN use those ports (110 and 25) for testing, because even if you're configured the exact same way I am, the worst that will happen, once you get it right, is that Norton will trigger twice on each outbound message. So do it, for testing. >Do you definitely have the values entered correctly? In the "Remote >Servers" box, you should have something like "pop.example.com", and in the >"SpamBayes Ports" box, you should have something like "110" (or "8890", if >you really need to). That's what I was going to say next. Does no good to configure OE for some new port if the proxy isn't listen there. But there's two ports-- POP3 and SMTP-- and you only mention one. I suggest you add 3000 to the default port numbers, or 4000, or some round number, so you can keep track of them. E.g. use ports 4110 and 4025. I doubt it they are, but you could even check to see if the ports are being used by some other process. Open a command prompt and type netstat -a and hit enter. Look for a tcp port on your machine in the listening state. If that port is in use, and you didn't use it, pick a different one. "In Mexico we have a word for sushi: Bait." -- Jose Simon --... ...-- -.. . -. ----. --.- --.- -... tpeters@nospam.mixcom.com (internet) remove "nospam." N9QQB (ham) "HEY YOU" (loud shouting) WEB ADDRESS http//www.mixweb.com/tpeters 43 7' 17.2" N, by 88? 6' 28.9" W, Elevation 815', Grid Square EN53wc WAN/LAN/Telcom Analyst, Tech Writer, MCP, Cisco Certified CCNA From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jan 12 22:00:15 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jan 12 22:00:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express question In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7D2D1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677834@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I think Tony knows more about Spambayes than I do [snip] Whether or not that's true, this was all good advice :) =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tymm at jaydemail.com Tue Jan 13 06:49:31 2004 From: tymm at jaydemail.com (Slues B. Peppermint) Date: Tue Jan 13 06:52:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] =?windows-1251?b?U3BhbWJheWVzIFVrRWFJWCwg7+7m4Ovz?= =?windows-1251?b?6fHy4CB0dFZ1WCDu4eHw4PLo8uUg4u3o7ODt6OUgVGhESmRx?= Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20040113064931.d936be9b@jaydemail.com> LVRtb ???? ??????-???? ???????? ?????????? ??????????? ??????????, ?????????? ?????, ?????????, ????????? ?????. ? ?????? ??????????? ????? ???? ????????????????? ?????????? ?? ???????????? ????????????????? ???? zmUrp ???. 258-2543 qFWuvi rwbqg Py From benoit.bertin at champ.aero Tue Jan 13 07:23:36 2004 From: benoit.bertin at champ.aero (Bertin Benoit) Date: Tue Jan 13 07:26:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] prices Message-ID: Dear All, I'm the manager of IT network department of Air Transport Company in Luxembourg. We receive more and more spam email. Please, would you provide me a reseller in Luxembourg ( France or Belgium) and a price quote for your anti spam product (outlook, POP3 and IMAP plugin) Thanks in advance and regards Benoit BERTIN ________________________________________________________ Benoit BERTIN tel : +352 4211-3847 Manager It Network Department fax : +352 4211-3513 CHAMP Cargosystems S.A. mobile : +352 021-195028 L-2990 Luxembourg SITA : LUXXSCV mail : benoit.bertin@champ.aero HTTP : www.champ.aero ________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040113/71213876/attachment.html From lee at leerobinson.f9.co.uk Tue Jan 13 09:30:24 2004 From: lee at leerobinson.f9.co.uk (Lee Robinson) Date: Tue Jan 13 09:30:53 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Long Loading Time Message-ID: Hi Spambayes is a wonderful program! I'm currently using WindowsXP SP1 and Outlook 2003. When Outlook opens it is now taking a long long time to load, much longer than usual. When I remove Spambayes it doesn't have any delay in loading. Just wondering if anyone else has encountered problems similar to this. Regards Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040113/09010c55/attachment.html From kennypitt at hotmail.com Tue Jan 13 09:44:06 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Tue Jan 13 09:44:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Long Loading Time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Could you be more specific about what you mean by "a long time to load"? SpamBayes does need a certain amount of time to load and initialize when Outlook starts. On my system, the average is around 10 seconds extra when I'm running from source (less if I run from a binary version), but I don't know if that's typical. -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Lee Robinson Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:30 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Long Loading Time When Outlook opens it is now taking a long long time to load, much longer than usual. When I remove Spambayes it doesn't have any delay in loading. Just wondering if anyone else has encountered problems similar to this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040113/1034423f/attachment.html From lee at leerobinson.f9.co.uk Tue Jan 13 09:53:01 2004 From: lee at leerobinson.f9.co.uk (Lee Robinson) Date: Tue Jan 13 09:53:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Long Loading Time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When I click outlook to load it will kinda be froze for about 10 seconds before I can do anything to it, The window pops up but theres nothing I can do. I installed from the exe on the website. _____ From: Kenny Pitt [mailto:kennypitt@hotmail.com] Sent: 13 January 2004 14:44 To: 'Lee Robinson'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Long Loading Time Could you be more specific about what you mean by "a long time to load"? SpamBayes does need a certain amount of time to load and initialize when Outlook starts. On my system, the average is around 10 seconds extra when I'm running from source (less if I run from a binary version), but I don't know if that's typical. -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Lee Robinson Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:30 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Long Loading Time When Outlook opens it is now taking a long long time to load, much longer than usual. When I remove Spambayes it doesn't have any delay in loading. Just wondering if anyone else has encountered problems similar to this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040113/32dae991/attachment-0001.html From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com Tue Jan 13 09:55:10 2004 From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone) Date: Tue Jan 13 09:55:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] prices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:23:36 -0000, Bertin Benoit wrote: > Please, would you provide me a reseller in Luxembourg ( France or > Belgium) > and a price quote for your anti spam product (outlook, POP3 and IMAP > plugin) Well, Bertin, here's some good news for you. Spambayes is free. The programmers and mathemeticians that work on Spambayes are donating their time and program code as part of the "open source" movement. You don't have to pay anything to use this code, now or ever. However, if you would like to make a donation to a cause that we collectively think is a good one, please visit our site at http://spambayes.sourceforge.net and click on the 'Donate' link. -- Vous exprimer; Expr?sese; Te stesso esprimere; Express yourself! Tim Stone See my photography at www.fourstonesExpressions.com See my writing at www.xanga.com/obj3kshun From pfornes at scrubsandbeyond.com Tue Jan 13 13:39:59 2004 From: pfornes at scrubsandbeyond.com (Patrick Fornes) Date: Tue Jan 13 11:35:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] "Possible spam" folder disappears Message-ID: Greetings. Last year i installed SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary Version .7 on my Boss's computer. She is running Windows 2000, and outlook 2000. Twice, most recently today, her "Possible Spam" folder and all its contents have disappeared, seemingly for no reason, and i cannot find it anywhere. I did go through the troubleshooting guide, but found nothing about this problem. If you have any suggestions as to why this might be happening, i would appreciate to hear them thanks Patrick Fornes Scrubs & Beyond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040113/d95e7f28/attachment.html From ianwarren.callidus at btconnect.com Tue Jan 13 12:30:20 2004 From: ianwarren.callidus at btconnect.com (Ian Warren) Date: Tue Jan 13 12:30:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Problem Message-ID: <000b01c3d9fa$edf650e0$03848551@Callidus1> Recently installed Outlook 2002 on a new machine with Windows XP. We had problems with the files and settings transfer but eventually got Outlook working. We installed Spambayes add-in (0.81) which works. There are 2 problems which we don't know if they are Outlook or Spambayes. E-mails are downloaded every time we connect until they are deleted from the server. When Outlook is shut down we get a Visual Basic error "the macros in this project are disabled" etc. which has to be closed manually. Any ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040113/aff6eefa/attachment.html From TDevick at advsol.com Tue Jan 13 12:50:55 2004 From: TDevick at advsol.com (Tim Devick) Date: Tue Jan 13 13:05:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] suspect spam that isn't spam Message-ID: <98DDCBDBFE72C5428976B2FCD3A5566E066D1C73@txex1.asi.local> I receive regular email messages from a particular source that are not spam, but always end up being classified as "suspect". Every time I get one of those, I click on the "Recover From Spam" button. Problem is, the next time I get an email from these individuals, they just end up in my "suspect" folder again. It doesn't seem like SpamBayes is learning that these particular emails are always "good". It filters the real junk fine - all the Paris Hilton videos, the viagra offers, etc. end up in my junk email folder as expected. Here is one example of a "junk suspect" email that I received today. I have done "recover from spam" on emails from this user numerous times since I have had SpamBayes, but his emails keep ending up in my "suspect" folder. The spam clues for this email shows a spam score of 2%. In the SpamBayes manager, on the Filtering tab, it shows "Certain Spam" set to 90.0, and "Possible spam" set to 15.0. Can anyone explain why SpamBayes has classified this email as possible spam, with a spam score of only 2%? Spam Score: 2% (0.0154048) word spamprob #ham #spam '*H*' 0.993503 - - '*S*' 0.024313 - - 'drop' 0.00602871 85 0 'client' 0.0110273 46 0 'to:name:tim devick' 0.0136364 37 0 'from:addr:aptissoftware.com' 0.0172683 29 0 'from:addr:jesse.barrera' 0.0172683 29 0 'from:name:jesse barrera' 0.0172683 29 0 'wanted' 0.0207168 24 0 'that.' 0.023537 21 0 'message-id:@txexchange.aptis.net' 0.0304445 16 0 'all,' 0.0342957 79 1 'bring' 0.0516763 9 0 'spent' 0.0516763 9 0 'wonder' 0.0516763 9 0 'checking' 0.0573943 8 0 'account' 0.0645352 7 0 'to:addr:tdevick' 0.084505 105 4 'employee' 0.0859137 5 0 "i'll" 0.0901009 28 1 '(after' 0.102969 4 0 'bet' 0.102969 4 0 'discussions' 0.102969 4 0 'night,' 0.102969 4 0 'touch' 0.102969 4 0 'walked' 0.102969 4 0 'win' 0.102969 4 0 'asked' 0.107203 23 1 '"what' 0.128473 3 0 'looked' 0.138822 17 1 'probably' 0.169148 36 3 '"i' 0.17077 2 0 'arrived' 0.17077 2 0 'closer' 0.17077 2 0 'confirmed' 0.17077 2 0 'involved,' 0.17077 2 0 'laugh' 0.17077 2 0 'url:sweepstakes' 0.17077 2 0 'tomorrow' 0.196895 11 1 'did' 0.21306 61 7 'subject:: ' 0.233902 273 36 'had' 0.241606 59 8 'until' 0.244312 51 7 'way' 0.244724 58 8 'noticed' 0.248971 8 1 'were' 0.250828 63 9 'enter' 0.252343 42 6 '"signing' 0.254588 1 0 '$25,000' 0.254588 1 0 '"no' 0.254588 1 0 '"what' 0.254588 1 0 'asked,' 0.254588 1 0 'bonus"' 0.254588 1 0 'hotjobs:' 0.254588 1 0 'impossible' 0.254588 1 0 'luck.' 0.254588 1 0 'president.' 0.254588 1 0 'square.' 0.254588 1 0 'surprised' 0.254588 1 0 'url:hotjobs' 0.254588 1 0 'url:signingbonus' 0.254588 1 0 'yahoo!' 0.254588 1 0 'yahoo!?' 0.254588 1 0 'reply-to:none' 0.257807 512 77 'skip:& 20' 0.265966 20 3 'message' 0.275112 177 29 'x-mailer:none' 0.276623 459 76 'head' 0.302269 6 1 'mind' 0.302269 6 1 'should' 0.307601 120 23 'amount' 0.308104 11 2 'then' 0.31211 87 17 'there' 0.317959 144 29 'them' 0.321871 54 11 'next' 0.323684 68 14 'open' 0.329875 38 8 'morning' 0.338656 14 3 'skip:& 10' 0.354548 34 8 'told' 0.358875 21 5 'talking' 0.372601 12 3 'doing' 0.372891 43 11 'was' 0.373746 151 39 'before.' 0.375829 8 2 'said,' 0.375829 8 2 'into' 0.376698 69 18 'consider' 0.3846 4 1 'lucky' 0.3846 4 1 'after' 0.384674 63 17 'that' 0.388769 312 86 'before' 0.391648 54 15 'said' 0.39891 35 10 'took' 0.602327 12 8 'happy' 0.615686 7 5 'your' 0.616077 188 131 'lot' 0.618837 14 10 'little' 0.638124 22 17 'started' 0.648662 11 9 '"no' 0.650288 1 1 'became' 0.650288 1 1 'curious' 0.650288 1 1 'turning' 0.650288 1 1 'over' 0.664362 44 38 'joke' 0.670673 2 2 'much' 0.671925 29 26 'front' 0.678755 3 3 'save' 0.684215 21 20 'many' 0.684828 22 21 'president' 0.685794 5 5 'long' 0.694073 18 18 'her' 0.694679 22 22 'skip:p 10' 0.702423 29 30 'better' 0.706218 16 17 'given' 0.734611 3 4 'full' 0.740656 15 19 'office' 0.743487 10 13 'office.' 0.746949 2 3 'skip:w 10' 0.775034 9 14 'placed' 0.783364 6 10 'never' 0.786676 14 23 'proto:http' 0.7922 126 209 'bank' 0.794537 2 4 'canada' 0.794537 2 4 'lose' 0.794537 2 4 'to:addr:advsol.com' 0.810946 113 211 'header:Date:1' 0.818663 115 226 'header:From:1' 0.818663 115 226 'header:Return-Path:1' 0.81995 114 226 'header:MIME-Version:1' 0.822692 93 188 'url:com' 0.824882 50 103 'himself' 0.830376 1 3 'money.' 0.830376 1 3 'subject:The' 0.830376 1 3 'header:Message-ID:1' 0.83038 90 192 'purse' 0.844828 0 1 'savings' 0.844828 0 1 'url:pa' 0.844828 0 1 'header:Received:5' 0.864936 55 154 'money' 0.893362 10 38 'desk' 0.908163 0 2 'wall.' 0.908163 0 2 'url:yahoo' 0.933347 1 9 'mirror' 0.934783 0 3 'positive' 0.949438 0 4 'url:*http' 0.965116 0 6 'url:us' 0.966868 1 19 'woman' 0.969799 0 7 'url:rd' 0.973373 0 8 'url:' 0.976786 3 64 '100%' 0.990798 0 24 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Furthermore, the SpamBayes toolbars aren't available as a selection when picking toolbars to display. This of course happened to corporate executives (always the case!). I've followed instructions in some of the FAQ's, but those steps haven't helped. So I'm stuck. Any suggestions on what else to try? Thanks, Keith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040113/ab589f01/attachment.html From lpweiner at qwest.net Tue Jan 13 17:29:44 2004 From: lpweiner at qwest.net (Larry Weiner) Date: Tue Jan 13 17:25:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Crash on closing Outlook Message-ID: <000001c3da24$bf1f4040$8600a8c0@desktop> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: spambayes1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 925 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040113/2c03a453/spambayes1.obj From alice_utter at firstpenn.com Tue Jan 13 18:17:58 2004 From: alice_utter at firstpenn.com (Utter, Alice) Date: Tue Jan 13 18:18:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes not working Message-ID: Tony: Just thought I'd let you know I did finally get SpamBayes working again. I ended up deleting the .ini file and then reconfiguring. Thanks for your help. Alice Utter Hmm. I think this says that it can't get hold of one of the folders that it's supposed to watch. I know you said that you tried reconfiguring SpamBayes, but have you tried reconfiguring from scratch? (renaming the [profilename].ini or Outlook.ini file in the data directory and then reconfiguring?). Otherwise, do you watch a lot of folders? It might be one in particular that's causing trouble - you could try removing all but one and seeing if that makes any difference. Or try using a difference folder for spam/unsure, to see if that changes anything. If none of this helps, all I've got to suggest, sorry, is that you open a bug report on sourceforge (http://sf.net/projects/spambayes) with the log file that you sent me and as many details as possible, and I'm sure Mark will look into it when he has a chance (he has a better hope than I do of figuring out what it is). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies, and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. By sending to the list, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. 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Thank You.** From ban at zoology.ubc.ca Tue Jan 13 20:22:32 2004 From: ban at zoology.ubc.ca (Stephen Ban) Date: Tue Jan 13 20:22:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Password authentication problem with POP3Proxy Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040113171730.028f0030@pop.interchange.ubc.ca> I'm running Eudora with the SpamBayes POP3Proxy; I have multiple accounts/servers that I would like to proxy through SpamBayes, and the first account sets up fine, i.e. I have SpamBayes proxying on port 110 to the appropriate external POP server and that works no problem. However, if I try to add a second pop server to the list and a second port to proxy (I assume port 111 is as good as any?), and set the corresponding Eudora account to "localhost", I get a password authentication error from Eudora as follows: "There has been an error transferring your mail. I said: PASS and the POP server (username@localhost) said: ERR [AUTH] Password supplied for "username" is incorrect." If I change the account settingsr back to the appropriate external POP server and re-enter the password, it works fine, so seems like the problem is that the POP3Proxy is not relaying the password correctly. Am I right? From anthony at interlink.com.au Tue Jan 13 22:10:04 2004 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Tue Jan 13 22:10:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Wired: Random Acts of Spamness Message-ID: <20040114031004.DF66625AF47@bonanza.off.ekorp.com> I'm quoted here discussing the random spam words issue (article was slashdotted, but in case you don't read /.) http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,61886,00.html I'm impressed - the journo didn't mangle what I said. Anthony From tim.one at comcast.net Tue Jan 13 22:45:13 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Tue Jan 13 22:45:22 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Wired: Random Acts of Spamness In-Reply-To: <20040114031004.DF66625AF47@bonanza.off.ekorp.com> Message-ID: [Anthony Baxter] > I'm quoted here discussing the random spam words issue > (article was slashdotted, but in case you don't read /.) > > http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,61886,00.html > > I'm impressed - the journo didn't mangle what I said. Cool! And they didn't put your name under a picture of Mark, either . There's something fishy about the "random dictionary words" I'm seeing in spam: they're either using a very dictionary, or have a very random number generator. For example, bellatrix and bindweed have appeared in multiple spam here. I doubt that the 22nd brightest star in the sky is a strong ham word for most of us . http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/constellations/hr/1790.html From brendon at whateley.com Tue Jan 13 22:59:10 2004 From: brendon at whateley.com (Brendon Whateley) Date: Tue Jan 13 22:59:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Password authentication problem with POP3Proxy In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040113171730.028f0030@pop.interchange.ubc.ca> References: <6.0.1.1.0.20040113171730.028f0030@pop.interchange.ubc.ca> Message-ID: <200401131959.11985.brendon@whateley.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stephen, This link may help you: http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1501hq.html I think (I'm not a Eudora, or even a windows user) that you are attempting to access the spambayes proxy on port 110 for BOTH accounts, which is why the second account doesn't work. Hope that helps, Brendon. On Tuesday 13 January 2004 05:22 pm, Stephen Ban wrote: > I'm running Eudora with the SpamBayes POP3Proxy; I have multiple > accounts/servers that I would like to proxy through SpamBayes, and the > first account sets up fine, i.e. I have SpamBayes proxying on port 110 to > the appropriate external POP server and that works no problem. However, if > I try to add a second pop server to the list and a second port to proxy (I > assume port 111 is as good as any?), and set the corresponding Eudora > account to "localhost", I get a password authentication error from Eudora > as follows: > "There has been an error transferring your mail. I said: PASS tell anyone.> and the POP server (username@localhost) said: ERR [AUTH] > Password supplied for "username" is incorrect." > > If I change the account settingsr back to the appropriate external POP > server and re-enter the password, it works fine, so seems like the problem > is that the POP3Proxy is not relaying the password correctly. Am I right? > > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBQAS+jpuupqACStRwEQL9XQCgv5d7od8Yio7Vybrze2R+o/YlcPAAoJof 2LNX5yuuaHDKme5NxhN0XqBc =FTe0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tim.one at comcast.net Tue Jan 13 23:02:23 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Tue Jan 13 23:02:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] "Possible spam" folder disappears In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Patrick Fornes] > Last year i installed SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary Version .7 on > my Boss's computer. She is running Windows 2000, and outlook 2000. > Twice, most recently today, her "Possible Spam" folder and all its > contents have disappeared, seemingly for no reason, and i cannot find > it anywhere. Did you look under Deleted Items? That's where it usually shows up. If she can remember something about an email that was in it, you can also use Outlook's "Advanced Find" facilities to search for it. > I did go through the troubleshooting guide, but found nothing about > this problem. If you have any suggestions as to why this might be > happening, i would appreciate to hear them Well, you're not going to like it , but in every case to date this has happened where the original poster bothered to report the resolution, it's been user error, moving the folder on their own. The SpamBayes code doesn't contain anything that *can* delete or move a folder (neither it does contain anything that can delete an individual email, BTW). Unfortunately, it's very easy to delete or move a folder in Outlook, whether on purpose or by accident (e.g., I do it at least once a week by accident). "Power users" who get into the habit of using the "Empty Delete Items Folder" action, and unthinkingly clicking "Yes" when Outlook asks if they really want to do it, are especially prone to losing folders forever. One of the things the troubleshooting guide should have told you was to always attach a log file when asking for help. From the logfile, we could tell whether or not SpamBayes believes the folder still exists. From kselkowitz at wwdb.org Tue Jan 13 23:15:03 2004 From: kselkowitz at wwdb.org (Kevin Selkowitz) Date: Tue Jan 13 23:14:53 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] building a binary for Outlook Message-ID: <3A1179EC-4648-11D8-A41E-000A957DD192@wwdb.org> I'm trying to build a custom version of SpamBayes. Its my understanding that I have to use the sandbox version of py2exe, I have the newest binaries of python and win32all extensions installed (I've also tried building python myself). However when building py2exe I get: Traceback (most recent call last): File "setup.py", line 332, in ? options = options, File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/distutils/core.py", line 149, in setup dist.run_commands() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/distutils/dist.py", line 907, in run_commands self.run_command(cmd) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/distutils/dist.py", line 927, in run_command cmd_obj.run() File "C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\py2exe\sandbox\py2exe\bu ild_exe.py", line 158, in run self.create_directories() File "C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\py2exe\sandbox\py2exe\bu ild_exe.py", line 321, in create_directories os.path.dirname(self.distribution.zipfile)) AttributeError: Dist instance has no attribute 'zipfile' Anyone know what to do about this? Are there any detailed and up to date directions on how to build everything? From anthony at interlink.com.au Tue Jan 13 23:42:19 2004 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Tue Jan 13 23:42:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Wired: Random Acts of Spamness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040114044219.CA44225AF47@bonanza.off.ekorp.com> >>> "Tim Peters" wrote > There's something fishy about the "random dictionary words" I'm seeing in > spam: they're either using a very dictionary, or have a very random number > generator. What on earth is a very dictionary? Is it like the Pepsi Extreme Dictionary? "Just Like A Dictionary, Only More So"? > For example, bellatrix and bindweed have appeared in multiple > spam here. I doubt that the 22nd brightest star in the sky is a strong ham > word for most of us . Given the number of times we've seen stuff like $RANDOM in spam, it's not exactly surprising that the spammers have screwed this up. Anthony -- Anthony Baxter It's never too late to have a happy childhood. From simonf at videologic.com Wed Jan 14 04:57:22 2004 From: simonf at videologic.com (Simon Fenney) Date: Wed Jan 14 04:57:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Trying to upgrade Outlook plugin Message-ID: <52377A0D4EFEAB4EA3577C5809EAA5A90C42EB@smtp1.videologic.co.uk> Dear all, I decided to try to upgrade the Spambayes outlook plugin from my current version (0.3) to the latest (~0.8). When I initially installed the 0.3 version, I found that (probably because I use Windows 95) the installer program failed (missing library or something). I thus used the ZIPed source install method instead. The 0.8 version does not seem to have a ZIP option on source forge and the installer still does not work on my steam-driven PC. Is there any chance of making a source version available? Cheers Simon ****************** This e-mail has been sent from Imagination Technologies Limited. PowerVR, Metagence, Ensigma and PURE Digital are divisions of Imagination Technologies Limited. 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From greg at angel.net Wed Jan 14 05:53:53 2004 From: greg at angel.net (Greg Blumstein) Date: Wed Jan 14 05:54:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plug-in - Moving mail from specific accounts Message-ID: <000901c3da8c$b6d14330$0542c7d4@GregT30> Hi, I just recently downloaded and installed the SpamBayes MS Outlook plug-in. My problem is: I have many email accounts that I am receiving mail from in Outlook. In the past I have separated my personal email accounts from business accounts by using the built-in outlook rules to move my personal mail to a separate folder than the Inbox (I.E. after message arrives from XXXX account move it to PERSONAL folder). This doesn't seem to be working with SpamBayes. First SpamBayes WAS checking messages properly and moving the SPAM to the Junk Mail folder; and then Outlook rules were moving the SPAM back to the PERSONAL folder that its supposed to go to. This caused a problem that SpamBayes then marked the messages that are actually spam as GOOD (as seen in log).. since the option "Train that a message is good when it is moved from a spam folder back to the inbox" was turned on. I turned off this feature and tried turning on ENABLE BACKGROUND filtering and set a delay. then also included the PERSONAL folder to check for incoming mail in the SpamBayes config. now SpamBayes is seeing messages as SPAM (according to the log) - but isn't moving the message to the JUNK MAIL folder. No before anyone jumps on me. I did read the FAQ about Outlooks built-in rules (see below). Does anyone know how I can setup Outlook and SpamBayes plug-in so that I can filter specific accounts to specific folders using Outlook's rules.. but at the same time get SpamBayes to work correctly??? I am very impressed by the software. and it seems to beat SpamNet and iHateSpam - just wish it would overcome this problem. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. About what I read in the FAQ: I have already read through most of the FAQs and associated help info and found: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/apps/outlook/bugs.html#various-issues-w ith-outlook-builtin-rules Which states: "There are a number of reports regarding SpamBayes 'missing' messages that have also been processed by the builtin Outlook rules. Outlook does not expose a way of avoiding this. To work around the problem, SpamBayes has a 'Background Processing' option you can set in the Advanced tab of the SpamBayes manager. Any bugs on this issue will be closed as 'Wont Fix' ('Can't Fix' would be better, but that doesn't exist " -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I found the last quote particularly interesting: "In the end spammers who use hash busters are just making it easier for filters to spot spam," said Suresh Ramasubramanian, manager of security and antispam operations for Outblaze, a Hong Kong-based provider of e-mail and messaging solutions. "You just train your Bayesian filters to look for the presence of white noise, and treat that as a sure sign that the message is spam. "Happily, spammers are sometimes a bit too clever for their own good." The question then becomes, how do you detect "the presence of white noise"? It seems obvious that a hash buster will contain a fairly long string of words not seen before. The problem seems to be that in a newly minted database that might be inaccurate. It also suggests a stronger coupling between the tokenizer and the classifier, since either the tokenizer needs access to the training database to consider what is and isn't known or the classifier needs to generate some synthetic features based upon the stream of tokens coming back from the tokenizer. Skip From anthony at interlink.com.au Wed Jan 14 07:11:22 2004 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Wed Jan 14 07:11:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Detecting hashbusters (was: Wired: Random Acts of Spamness) In-Reply-To: <16389.11714.748666.921782@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20040114121122.7C1E925AF47@bonanza.off.ekorp.com> >>> Skip Montanaro wrote > The question then becomes, how do you detect "the presence of white noise"? > It seems obvious that a hash buster will contain a fairly long string of > words not seen before. The problem seems to be that in a newly minted > database that might be inaccurate. It also suggests a stronger coupling > between the tokenizer and the classifier, since either the tokenizer needs > access to the training database to consider what is and isn't known or the > classifier needs to generate some synthetic features based upon the stream > of tokens coming back from the tokenizer. Surely this would be better in the classifier - if a message has more than a certain number of unknown tokens, handle the unknown word probability differently. Or else synthesise a token based on the percentage of known vs unknown spamprobs and stuff it onto the end of the token stream. I'm not sure if it's worthwhile - I'm finding that smalldb+nonedge isn't having any problems at all. The rate of training has dropped to about 2 messages a day, as well. 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Name: SpamBayes.png Type: image/png Size: 22307 bytes Desc: SpamBayes.png Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040114/80f817d3/SpamBayes-0001.png From wsy at merl.com Wed Jan 14 08:48:08 2004 From: wsy at merl.com (Bill Yerazunis) Date: Wed Jan 14 08:50:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Wired: Random Acts of Spamness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401141348.i0EDm8L27101@localhost.localdomain> From: "Tim Peters" > > I'm impressed - the journo didn't mangle what I said. Cool! And they didn't put your name under a picture of Mark, either . There's something fishy about the "random dictionary words" I'm seeing in spam: they're either using a very dictionary, or have a very random number generator. For example, bellatrix and bindweed have appeared in multiple spam here. I doubt that the 22nd brightest star in the sky is a strong ham word for most of us . http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/constellations/hr/1790.html Yeah. I'm getting a lot of "dictionary salad" as well. Fortunately, it's a dead giveaway. :) I've also now acquired more spams that use the Habeas Haiku than emails that used it... so now it's a spam indicator. :) -Bill Yerazunis From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com Wed Jan 14 09:17:39 2004 From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone) Date: Wed Jan 14 09:17:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Wired: Random Acts of Spamness In-Reply-To: <200401141348.i0EDm8L27101@localhost.localdomain> References: <200401141348.i0EDm8L27101@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:48:08 -0500, Bill Yerazunis wrote: > I've also now acquired more spams that use the Habeas Haiku than > emails that used it... so now it's a spam indicator. :) When is Habeus gonna sue all these people? -- Tim Stone From Denis at HaskinFerguson.net Wed Jan 14 09:33:30 2004 From: Denis at HaskinFerguson.net (Denis Haskin) Date: Wed Jan 14 09:32:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] [slightly OT] spammer 'random' words that are addressee-related? Message-ID: <4005533A.5090600@HaskinFerguson.net> (This isn't *quite* a spambayes question but I think there are knowledgable people here who can point me in the right direction to get more info. Feel free to declare this too off-topic and send me someplace else.) Like many of you (I'm sure), I'm sysadmin/network ops/hardware tech/customer support/etc for my family's home network. My wife showed me some spam she got this morning that included the usual 'random' words in the subject, but she was wondering if the words maybe weren't so random. The words seemed related to 2 email lists she's on. Now maybe this is just complete coincidence, but is it possible in fact that her email address was harvested somewhere and words were picked up from the harvesting context to be used when constructing spam to her? This seems like a lot of effort for not a lot of return... Also, we're *pretty* sure that both of these email lists are pretty well protected (e.g. they're not archived in any public place as far was we know). Also, they're obscure and small enough that I find it hard to believe it would be worth spammers' while to 'infiltrate' these lists (as they do with yahoo groups). It also occurred to me that perhaps someone else on these lists has a virus which is harvesting this from a local PC and sending it off to a spammer? Anyone have any thoughts? Is there any web site that catalogs known spamming tactics? Thanks, dwh From atelje at stunt.se Wed Jan 14 10:47:50 2004 From: atelje at stunt.se (Tommy Sund) Date: Wed Jan 14 10:45:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spam fighting suggestion Message-ID: -- Hello! I have an idea regarding strategy for fighting spam. I do not know if you are the right person(s) to talk to or if this is the right email-adress to do so but I read about you in an article on wired.com (Random Acts of Spamness). I am not programmer and I do not have any experience i developing applications, and perhaps you?ve already entertained and dismissed the idea. But nevertheless am I going to take shot at it. So! lets get to it. Bothered by many of spam messages every day I started thinking of a way to bite the hand that feeds the spammers. So! Here?s the idea. I imagine a programme (say a plug-in or something) that acts as if you actually click on the links that the spam-email provides you with. I.e. the programme acts like a browser or rather more like the bots that search engines use to scour the web. However this bots only purpose is to "click" on the links contained in the spam in the background unbeknownst to the user. The data (webpages) that the spammers servers sends is routed right into digital oblivion. The idea is that if lets say, a million spam recievers is doing that simultaneously it would result in a increased workload for the servers in question, effectively giving them what they are giving us, a lot of unwanted data. I?ve chosen to call this feature "attack". when you find a spam you click on the attack-button or you?ve programmed the filter so i automaticly "attacks" the spammers. I also think that one can probably tinker alot with the parameters of the attack. lets say how many times your filter will attack and how "deep" it chooses to click it?s way in. By "deep" I mean how many layers of "links-within-links" it will click. Do I make sense? or am I just confusing you? :-) I hope I?ve made myself understood, if i haven?t, it?s probably because I am an idiot and don?t know what I?m talking about. ;-) Best regards Tommy Sund sweden. From wsy at merl.com Wed Jan 14 10:48:45 2004 From: wsy at merl.com (Bill Yerazunis) Date: Wed Jan 14 10:48:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spam fighting suggestion In-Reply-To: (message from Tommy Sund on Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:47:50 +0100) References: Message-ID: <200401141548.i0EFmjn28550@localhost.localdomain> Tony: What you're describing has already been proposed- it's sometimes also called an FFB, for a Filter that Fights Back. Paul Graham proposed them about six months ago. His proposal is on: http://www.paulgraham.com/ffb.html so you can see what he's been thinking. -Bill Yerazunis From dave at dnh.sk.ca Wed Jan 14 10:56:38 2004 From: dave at dnh.sk.ca (Dave Hall) Date: Wed Jan 14 11:06:33 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] [slightly OT] spammer 'random' words that are addressee-related? In-Reply-To: <4005533A.5090600@HaskinFerguson.net> References: <4005533A.5090600@HaskinFerguson.net> Message-ID: <20040114155638.GA19769@dnh.sk.ca> On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 09:33:30AM -0500, Denis Haskin wrote: > My wife showed me some spam she got this morning that included the usual > 'random' words in the subject, but she was wondering if the words maybe > weren't so random. I too have been suspicious of this. A lot of "hammy" words appearing either in the subject or in the message body with a collection of seemingly random words. Also, spam "from" names phonetically similar to people I know and correspond with frequently. It still looked random enough I have just wrote it off as coincidence. On Monday, one particular word in a group of random words caught my attention in a message spambayes classified as unsure. That word was saskatoon (lower case spelling). Saskatoon is the name of the city I live in; population a little over 200,000. This word would typically be a strong indication of non-spam in my corpus. Something to note is the capitalization, all lower case (like all the other random words in this message). The normal spelling is capitalized although I correspond with a few people who have not mastered the art of the caps- lock key. > It also occurred to me that perhaps someone else on these lists has a > virus which is harvesting this from a local PC and sending it off to a > spammer? For the past 4 years, I've used a "unique" e-mail address for every list I subscribe to and every web site that I have to register and provide an e-mail address. I know for certain that one of the lists I subscribe to has the e-mail addresses removed from the web accessible archive where typical bots would find them. I still get a few spams a week to the addres I use for one of these lists. The only way that could happen is if a spammer either subscribed to the list or harvested from a subscriber. Many of the people I correspond with in my personal e-mail are less than computer savvy, and use the ususal Outlook Express minus security patches. There are several occasions when they've been infected with outlook worm of the day. Also many of the same people are still silly enough to forward chain letters and other garbage to a dozen people (all appearing in the "to" address). I think it's possible that there may be "viruses" scanning through an outlook "inbox", harvesting e-mail addresses and hammy key words. It's highly likely spammers are just signing up for mailing lists and harvesting addresses from messages sent to the list. That may also include magic keywords. -- Dave =============================================================== How do I set the laser printer to stun? - yehoodi.com =============================================================== From kennypitt at hotmail.com Wed Jan 14 11:37:13 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Wed Jan 14 11:38:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plug-in - Moving mail from specific accounts In-Reply-To: <000901c3da8c$b6d14330$0542c7d4@GregT30> Message-ID: Of the few resolution reports I have seen for this type of problem, it seems that Enable Background Filtering has worked for most people. However, subtle setup changes can make a big difference. Does all your mail get moved to either PERSONAL or BUSINESS by your rules? If so, you should remove Inbox itself from the list of filtered folders and only filter the PERSONAL and BUSINESS folders. With Enable Background Filtering turned on, this should work. If it still doesn't move your spam, then check the spam folder configuration under Filtering and make sure that SpamBayes thinks the spam folder is where you think it is. If everything looks OK to you but messages still aren't being moved, send a copy of your logfiles. That will tell us a lot more about what is really happening. -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Greg Blumstein Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:54 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plug-in - Moving mail from specific accounts I have many email accounts that I am receiving mail from in Outlook. In the past I have separated my personal email accounts from business accounts by using the built-in outlook rules to move my personal mail to a separate folder than the Inbox (I.E. after message arrives from XXXX account move it to PERSONAL folder). This doesn't seem to be working with SpamBayes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040114/21edcf09/attachment.html From kennypitt at hotmail.com Wed Jan 14 11:44:04 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Wed Jan 14 11:44:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Trying to upgrade Outlook plugin In-Reply-To: <52377A0D4EFEAB4EA3577C5809EAA5A90C42EB@smtp1.videologic.co.uk> Message-ID: Simon Fenney wrote: > When I initially installed the 0.3 version, I found that (probably > because I use Windows 95) the installer program failed (missing > library or something). I thus used the ZIPed source install method > instead. > > The 0.8 version does not seem to have a ZIP option on source forge > and the installer still does not work on my steam-driven PC. > > Is there any chance of making a source version available? The 1.0a7 source is available here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=61702 This version has a number of bug fixes and improvements since the 0.81 plugin release, so would be your best bet if you're going to run from source. After extracting, go to the Outlook2000 subdirectory and run "addin.py --register", and you should be good to go. If you have any problems, first make sure that you are running the latest versions of Python (2.3.3) and win32all (build 163, I think). -- Kenny Pitt From tpeters at mixcom.com Wed Jan 14 14:59:44 2004 From: tpeters at mixcom.com (Tom Peters) Date: Wed Jan 14 14:59:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Password authentication problem with POP3Proxy In-Reply-To: <200401131959.11985.brendon@whateley.com> References: <6.0.1.1.0.20040113171730.028f0030@pop.interchange.ubc.ca> <200401131959.11985.brendon@whateley.com> Message-ID: <57720.67.36.83.25.1074110384.squirrel@webmail.athenet.net> All my Eudora personalities (their term for accounts) use the same two ports: 3110 and 3025 to the proxy (sb_server.py) then 110 and 25 as usual. I know there's instructions in some docs to use separate ports for each personality but i've never found it necessary. I'm using Eudora pro 5.1 You may have to create a a second personality for the other account. If it was working before spambayes, you probably already did this. In that case, you may have to find the encrypted passwords in eudora.ini and comment them out. Copy the line containing the password (I'm not home so I don't know the syntax) and place a semicolon at the start of one. Make the other one a blank password. It might look like this: password=fgh5645hgfff324346 so make it look like this password= ;password=fgh5645hgfff324346 Find all occurences and do this to them. This forces Eudora to prompt you for new passwords for each account. That might be your problem. It might be using the wrong password, perhaps the password for the other account. The sb_server.py proxy relays the passwords exactly as you tell it to. The trick it to tell it correctly. hth, Tom > This link may help you: http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1501hq.html > > I think (I'm not a Eudora, or even a windows user) that you are attempting > to > access the spambayes proxy on port 110 for BOTH accounts, which is why the > second account doesn't work. > > On Tuesday 13 January 2004 05:22 pm, Stephen Ban wrote: >> I'm running Eudora with the SpamBayes POP3Proxy; I have multiple >> accounts/servers that I would like to proxy through SpamBayes, and the >> first account sets up fine, i.e. I have SpamBayes proxying on port 110 >> to >> the appropriate external POP server and that works no problem. However, >> if >> I try to add a second pop server to the list and a second port to proxy >> (I >> assume port 111 is as good as any?), and set the corresponding Eudora >> account to "localhost", I get a password authentication error from >> Eudora >> as follows: From hvandivier at telematrix.com Wed Jan 14 15:42:03 2004 From: hvandivier at telematrix.com (Hugh Vandivier) Date: Wed Jan 14 15:52:21 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes permission Message-ID: <000501c3dade$e02323a0$040002c0@hvandivier> Greetings. I am writing on behalf of Jane Brownlow, Executive Editor with McGraw-Hill/Osborne. We are currently on a book entitled, ?Anti-Spam Tool Kit? and would like to promote your tool by including it on a CD-ROM accompanying the book. We are trying to provide as comprehensive and helpful resource as possible. If you want us to include your tool in the CD-ROM of this book, simply follow these steps: 1. If you are not the primary person in charge of granting permission for this tool, please help us by directing us to the appropriate source. 2. For tools that fall under a free or GPL agreement, a simple return e-mail will suffice. 3. For all other licensed tools, simply fill out the attached form and fax it to Jane Brownlow (contact information follows). 4. Provide us with the best place URL to download the tool. This will ensure that we have the correct and current one to include. We need all permissions fairly quickly, by Monday, January 19, 2004, to include it in the book. If you have any questions, feel free to call or e-mail me. Thanks so much for your attention. Sincerely, Hugh Vandivier Freelance Editor Cell: (317) 627-0068 Jane Brownlow Contact Information: 2100 Powell Street10th Floor Emeryville, CA 94608 Work: 510-420-7790 or 1-800-277-0900 ext. 7790 Fax: 510-420-7703 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7D6F8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677837@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Here's an interesting approach, that flew right under my > spambayes, despite a 5 MB db. It is interesting, although there are some issues here: > (And just to be clear, few or none of the words in my database are in > German.) But what about these? > 'alle' 0.0505618 4 0 > 'auf' 0.155172 1 0 > 'das' 0.155172 1 0 > 'hier' 0.155172 1 0 > 'der' 0.192406 5 2 > 'und' 0.278497 3 2 > 'sie' 0.374974 1 1 > 'haben' 0.765605 0 1 > 'ihr' 0.765605 0 1 > 'ihren' 0.765605 0 1 Overall, the German looks more hammy than spammy. > # ham trained on: 1491 > # spam trained on: 2924 Hmm. This isn't that imbalanced, but it would be interesting to know what the score would have been with only 1491 of the spam. You don't have the (now dead) ham_spam_imbalanced_adjustment on, do you? (which version of the Outlook plugin are you using?) It also looks like you get (well, train) quite a bit of mail about music/music tools. Since the spam was mostly about music/music tools, it was hammy - that's just the way things go with this sort of classifier. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 14 19:25:12 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 14 19:25:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] building a binary for Outlook In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7D4C5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677838@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I'm trying to build a custom version of SpamBayes. Its my > understanding that I have to use the sandbox version of py2exe, Well, you can use the older building technique, which uses McMillan's installer instead of py2exe. I'm pretty sure this should still work fine if you're only building the Outlook plug-in (all the releases so far have used this). > I have the newest > binaries of python and win32all extensions installed (I've also tried > building python myself). However when building py2exe I get: [...] > Anyone know what to do about this? Are there any detailed and up to > date directions on how to build everything? You might get some help here, but I'd suggest that you'd be better off asking comp.lang.python (python-list@python.org) for help, since the problem itself is unrelated to SpamBayes. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 14 19:30:16 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 14 19:30:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes permission In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7D6F6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A4E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Greetings. > I am writing on behalf of Jane Brownlow, Executive > Editor with McGraw-Hill/Osborne. We are currently on a book > entitled, "Anti-Spam Tool Kit" and would like to promote your > tool by including it on a CD-ROM accompanying the book. We > are trying to provide as comprehensive and helpful resource > as possible. > If you want us to include your tool in the CD-ROM of > this book, simply follow these steps: > 1. If you are not the primary person in charge of granting > permission for this tool, please help us by directing us to > the appropriate source. Happily, no-one needs to grant you permission (under the terms of the SpamBayes license), so consider it granted . > 2. For tools that fall under a free or GPL agreement, a simple > return e-mail will suffice. SpamBayes 'falls' under the Python Software Foundation license, a copy of which is included in the source archive. This is a 'free' agreement. > 4. Provide us with the best place URL to download the tool. This > will ensure that we have the correct and current one to include. The best place to direct people to is our website: . There'll always be a prominent link there to the correct download location. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 14 19:33:21 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 14 19:34:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] suspect spam that isn't spam In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7D485@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467783A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Can anyone explain why SpamBayes has classified > this email as possible spam, with a spam score of only 2%? [...] > 'became' 0.650288 1 1 What ratio of ham to spam do you have? SpamBayes works best if it's roughly 1::1 - as you see from the clue 'became', a token in both ham and spam is a spam clue for you, which probably isn't right :) What version of the Outlook plug-in are you using? If it's not 008.1, you probably should consider moving to it. Are you using the experimental_ham_spam_imbalance_adjustment option? (If you don't know, we can tell you, but only if we know which version of the plug-in you have). This could be causing you trouble, depending on the answers above. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 14 19:37:22 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 14 19:37:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes bug In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7D6DE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467783B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > If I finish a config wizzard or press button "show data folder" > the Error Message appears. I'm pretty sure that this is as a result of the path to your data folder having a non-English character in it. If that's the case, then this has been fixed in the source code, and so will be fixed in the next release (due very soon). Until then, the only way around it is to rename the problem directory (probably the Windows username) to remove that character. =Tony Meyer From tim.one at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 20:24:42 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Wed Jan 14 20:24:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes / Outlook add-in In-Reply-To: <788DE6901D33564E9F225E8563972B13438817@ggcsexchange.ggcs.net> Message-ID: [Don D. Wilson] > I have been trying the program for awhile now and have noticed that, > oddly, periodically the "Junk Mail" folder is deleted and I have to > re-create it. Did you look under Deleted Items first? That's where it's usually found. > Is this a known problem? Yes, but the only known cause is pilot error, i.e. the user deletes or moves the folder by mistake. This is (unfortunately) very easy to do by mistake in Outlook. I speculate that it happens to the spam folder more often than others just because users muck with that folder more than others when deleting things, and that their attention is low when doing it. I know that's true for me! (I routinely lose my spam folder, and it's happened often enough by now that I've become certain I'm the only cause of it.) > I have seen no pattern as to why or when this will occur. No, and if you are in fact doing it, but don't believe you're doing it, you're biased to not notice any pattern either . From tim.one at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 21:08:59 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Wed Jan 14 21:09:03 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] suspect spam that isn't spam In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467783A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: [Tim Devick] >> Can anyone explain why SpamBayes has classified >> this email as possible spam, with a spam score of only 2%? [...] >> 'became' 0.650288 1 1 [Tony Meyer] > What ratio of ham to spam do you have? SpamBayes works best if it's > roughly 1::1 - as you see from the clue 'became', a token in both ham > and spam is a spam clue for you, which probably isn't right :) Because I have Secret Knowledge of exactly how the math works here, I can deduce that Tim's training ratio is just a little worse than 2-to-1, in favor of ham. That's not wacky. His real question was why the message got moved to his Unsure folder, when it scored 1.54% and his ham cutoff was 15%. That doesn't make any sense to me, and without a log file there's no way to guess anything either. It's *conceivable* that the ham cutoff is really set to 1.5%, in which case the message scored spammy enough so that it should have been moved to Unsure. From sisu at columbus.rr.com Wed Jan 14 22:16:27 2004 From: sisu at columbus.rr.com (Betty Anne Morss) Date: Wed Jan 14 22:16:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] some spam is immune to SpamBayes Message-ID: <002001c3db15$f9b6aa80$6501a8c0@Toshiba> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- From: Stuart Tapia [ra94vxnu@hkstar.com] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 4:16 AM To: sisaacs@columbus.rr.com Cc: sismail@columbus.rr.com; sisteractwo@columbus.rr.com; sisu@columbus.rr.com; sitesys@columbus.rr.com Subject: even if you're a casual drinker frngoznvbpxkuzzbxwk -------------- next part -------------- From: Marty Coffman [m_coffmanos@opus.vcn.bc.ca] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:04 PM To: sisu@columbus.rr.com Subject: lasts longer than víagra From tim.one at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 22:35:07 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Wed Jan 14 22:35:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] some spam is immune to SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <002001c3db15$f9b6aa80$6501a8c0@Toshiba> Message-ID: [Betty Anne Morss] > I have the SpamBayes Outlook addon, version 0.81, running on Windows > XP. In general it does a fantastic job, but I sometimes receive > messages that are completely immune to SpamBayes. Clicking "delete > as spam" returns nothing. Clicking "show spam clues for current > message" returns nothing. Two examples of immune messages are > attached. It *sounds* like these messages are so non-standardly formed that they don't meet the minimal requirements for SpamBayes to be able to parse them. Sending us what Outlook thinks the messages are doesn't really do any good, alas, because Outlook destroys the original structure of the email. What would help instead is to look in your SpamBayes log file. When SpamBayes can't parse a message at all, it will leave some evidence in your log file that may explain why it failed to parse the message. Instructions for finding your log file can be gotten from: SpamBayes -> Help -> Troubleshooting Guide -> then search for "attach the log file" and click on it when you find it > I hope I do not abuse this list by sending this inquiry. Nope, not at all. All questions are welcome here! Any your question is better than most . From HotPlanet at earthlink.net Wed Jan 14 23:47:24 2004 From: HotPlanet at earthlink.net (HotPlanet) Date: Wed Jan 14 23:47:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem Message-ID: <000f01c3db22$abbac160$0400a8c0@w2ctnpurch01> I use SpamBayes and it is fantastic - which you probably all ready know. I use Outlook at the office and Outlook Express at home. When I open Outlook express, after a few seconds a SpamBayes error window opens up stating: "There was an error initializing the SpamBayes addin. Please re-start Outlook and try again." Can you help me out of this problem as the window keeps opening and I have to keep closing it. Thanks, Rich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040114/8e23d0e7/attachment.html From jmarsh1 at mindspring.com Thu Jan 15 04:05:10 2004 From: jmarsh1 at mindspring.com (J Marsh) Date: Thu Jan 15 04:01:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help with loading spambayes to Earthlink Total Access 2004 Message-ID: <410-2200414159510886@mindspring.com> I successfully downloaded spambayes this evening to my computer and to Outlook, but it doesn't load into my email. I'm using Windows 2000Pro, but don't use Windows Outlook. My ISP is Earthlink and I use their Total Access 2004 for email. When I followed the help suggestions from your website, none of them worked in Total Access. For example, to try to load the Addin, I went to tools and options (internet options with Total Access), but there was no "other" button or "advanced options" button. I was able to go into Outlook and load spambayes to Outlook, but I don't use Outlook and this does me no good. How do I tell spambayes to watch my Earthlink email and not Outlook? Thanks, Jim J Marsh jmarsh1@mindspring.com From skip at pobox.com Thu Jan 15 09:49:15 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Thu Jan 15 09:49:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem In-Reply-To: <000f01c3db22$abbac160$0400a8c0@w2ctnpurch01> References: <000f01c3db22$abbac160$0400a8c0@w2ctnpurch01> Message-ID: <16390.43115.555892.713345@montanaro.dyndns.org> Rich> I use SpamBayes and it is fantastic - which you probably all ready Rich> know. I use Outlook at the office and Outlook Express at Rich> home. When I open Outlook express, after a few seconds a SpamBayes Rich> error window opens up stating: "There was an error initializing Rich> the SpamBayes addin. Please re-start Outlook and try again." Can Rich> you help me out of this problem as the window keeps opening and I Rich> have to keep closing it. Rich, The Outlook Plugin doesn't work with Outlook Express. Despite the similar names, Outlook and Outlook Express are completely different beasts and OE doesn't support external plugins. You'll either have to install Outlook on your home computer or (more economically), install and run the SpamBayes sb_server.py proxy (if you connect to your mail server via POP3) or sb_imapfilter.py (if you connect to your mail server via IMAP). Currently, that requires you do download and install Python, Mark Hammond's win32all extensions and the SpamBayes source distribution. Mark is working on a binary installer which includes both the Outlook plugin and sb_server.py, but it's still under test. Several people have reported success with it. Here's where you can find the various bits necessary to install from source: Python 2.3.3: http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.3.3/Python-2.3.3.exe win32all: http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/downloads/win32all-163.exe SpamBayes src: http://umn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/spambayes/spambayes-1.0a7.zip In case those URLs got mangled by mail systems, here are Tiny URL equivalents: Python 2.3.3: http://tinyurl.com/26frm win32all: http://tinyurl.com/2sbwv SpamBayes src: http://tinyurl.com/22rfq Since it's still under test, I'll make it just a little harder for you to find Mark's experimental binary installer. The slight barrier shouldn't be hard to overcome if you are appropriately adventurous. Start here: http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/ and follow the obvious path to get to the installer. Skip From skip at pobox.com Thu Jan 15 10:01:38 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Thu Jan 15 10:01:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help with loading spambayes to Earthlink Total Access 2004 In-Reply-To: <410-2200414159510886@mindspring.com> References: <410-2200414159510886@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <16390.43858.395346.824086@montanaro.dyndns.org> Jim> I'm using Windows 2000Pro, but don't use Windows Outlook. My ISP Jim> is Earthlink and I use their Total Access 2004 for email. When I Jim> followed the help suggestions from your website, none of them Jim> worked in Total Access. The Outlook plugin is just that, a plugin which works only with Microsoft Outlook. If it worked with any other mail reader, it would probably rank as one of the strangest bits of serendipity in the annals of computer software. That being the case, you'll have to install and run the sb_server.py or sb_imapfilter.py apps (the former if you use POP3, the latter, IMAP). See my previous mail about SpamBayes installation for Outlook Express for details: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2004-January/010672.html Skip From rking at hp.com Thu Jan 15 11:56:19 2004 From: rking at hp.com (King, Richard (Unix Messaging)) Date: Thu Jan 15 11:56:24 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Install Question: Debian + Spambayes Message-ID: <69E524BC0842E24BB409B8F50820CD6202A9AA@cacexc03.americas.cpqcorp.net> Greetings! I'm trying to install Spambayes 1.0a7 on my Debian machine. First I needed python, which I installed by using the following command: apt-get install python2.2. Next I tried installing spambayes by using with this command: python setup.py install. However, I get the following error message when I try using the setup.py script. Traceback (most recent call last): File "setup.py", line 12, in ? from distutils.core import setup ImportError: No module named distutils.core Any suggestions? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated! -- Rick King Hewlett Packard Unix Messaging Team, Boise ID Phone: +1 208 396 2184 E-Mail: rking@hp.com From listsub at wickedgrey.com Thu Jan 15 12:24:36 2004 From: listsub at wickedgrey.com (Eli Stevens (WG.c)) Date: Thu Jan 15 12:23:57 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Install Question: Debian + Spambayes References: <69E524BC0842E24BB409B8F50820CD6202A9AA@cacexc03.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <003501c3db8c$8f4b7fa0$6401a8c0@kane> King, Richard (Unix Messaging) wrote: > Greetings! > > I'm trying to install Spambayes 1.0a7 on my Debian machine. First I > needed python, which I installed by using the following command: > apt-get install python2.2. > Next I tried installing spambayes by using with this command: python > setup.py install. However, I get the following error message when I > try using the setup.py script. > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "setup.py", line 12, in ? > from distutils.core import setup > ImportError: No module named distutils.core > > Any suggestions? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated! An "apt-get install python2.2-dev" should do the trick for you. :) In my limited Debian experience, getting package foo will allow you to run programs written in foo, while foo-dev will allow you to write programs in foo. That doesn't really seem to be the case here, but... http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=distutils&searchon=all&subword=1&case=insensitive&version=all&release=all Package python-dev stable (interpreters): Header files and a static library for Python (default) 2.1.3-3: alpha arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc testing (python): Header files and a static library for Python (default) 2.3.3-4: alpha arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc unstable (python): Header files and a static library for Python (default) 2.3.3-5: alpha arm hppa hurd-i386 i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc Package python2.2-dev stable (interpreters): Header files and a static library for Python (v2.2) 2.2.1-4: alpha arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc testing (python): Header files and a static library for Python (v2.2) 2.2.3-7: alpha arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc unstable (python): Header files and a static library for Python (v2.2) 2.2.1.91-1: hurd-i386 2.2.3-7: alpha arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc Are you running a pure stable system? I've 2.3 installed locally and everything seems to work fine (though the system just hosts my personal MTA and Apache; I wouldn't call it production). I run everything stable except for this. HTH, Eli -- Give a man some mud, and he plays for a day. Teach a man to mud, and he plays for a lifetime. WickedGrey.com uses SpamBayes on incoming email: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ -- From listsub at wickedgrey.com Thu Jan 15 12:27:12 2004 From: listsub at wickedgrey.com (Eli Stevens (WG.c)) Date: Thu Jan 15 12:26:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Install Question: Debian + Spambayes References: <69E524BC0842E24BB409B8F50820CD6202A9AA@cacexc03.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <003e01c3db8c$e1f30390$6401a8c0@kane> King, Richard (Unix Messaging) wrote: > Greetings! > > I'm trying to install Spambayes 1.0a7 on my Debian machine. First I > needed python, which I installed by using the following command: > apt-get install python2.2. > Next I tried installing spambayes by using with this command: python > setup.py install. However, I get the following error message when I > try using the setup.py script. > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "setup.py", line 12, in ? > from distutils.core import setup > ImportError: No module named distutils.core > > Any suggestions? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated! An "apt-get install python2.2-dev" should do the trick for you. :) In my limited Debian experience, getting package foo will allow you to run programs written in foo, while foo-dev will allow you to write programs in foo. That doesn't really seem to be the case here, but... http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=distutils&searchon=all&subword=1&case=insensitive&version=all&release=all Package python-dev stable (interpreters): Header files and a static library for Python (default) 2.1.3-3: alpha arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc testing (python): Header files and a static library for Python (default) 2.3.3-4: alpha arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc unstable (python): Header files and a static library for Python (default) 2.3.3-5: alpha arm hppa hurd-i386 i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc Package python2.2-dev stable (interpreters): Header files and a static library for Python (v2.2) 2.2.1-4: alpha arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc testing (python): Header files and a static library for Python (v2.2) 2.2.3-7: alpha arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc unstable (python): Header files and a static library for Python (v2.2) 2.2.1.91-1: hurd-i386 2.2.3-7: alpha arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc Are you running a pure stable system? I've 2.3 installed locally and everything seems to work fine (though the system just hosts my personal MTA and Apache; I wouldn't call it production). I run everything stable except for this. HTH, Eli -- Give a man some mud, and he plays for a day. Teach a man to mud, and he plays for a lifetime. WickedGrey.com uses SpamBayes on incoming email: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ -- From papaDoc at videotron.ca Thu Jan 15 12:35:11 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Thu Jan 15 12:35:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Install Question: Debian + Spambayes In-Reply-To: <69E524BC0842E24BB409B8F50820CD6202A9AA@cacexc03.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <69E524BC0842E24BB409B8F50820CD6202A9AA@cacexc03.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <4006CF4F.6020705@videotron.ca> Hi, >Greetings! > >I'm trying to install Spambayes 1.0a7 on my Debian machine. First I >needed python, which I installed by using the following command: apt-get >install python2.2. >Next I tried installing spambayes by using with this command: python >setup.py install. However, I get the following error message when I try >using the setup.py script. > >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "setup.py", line 12, in ? > from distutils.core import setup >ImportError: No module named distutils.core > > I don't know if this is related but to use most of the scripts in Spambayes you will need python 2.3 and this is found in the unstable version of Woody. Remi -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Email From rking at hp.com Thu Jan 15 12:41:52 2004 From: rking at hp.com (King, Richard (Unix Messaging)) Date: Thu Jan 15 12:41:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Install Question: Debian + Spambayes Message-ID: <69E524BC0842E24BB409B8F50820CD6202A9AB@cacexc03.americas.cpqcorp.net> Thank you Eli and to Papadoc for your replies! Running the command 'apt-get install python2.2-dev' did do the trick! I had made the assumption that only the python binary would suffice, but apparenly not. Live and learn. :) Thanks again! My best to you. -- Rick King Hewlett Packard Unix Messaging Team, Boise ID Phone: +1 208 396 2184 E-Mail: rking@hp.com -----Original Message----- From: Eli Stevens (WG.c) [mailto:listsub@wickedgrey.com] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:25 AM To: King, Richard (Unix Messaging); spambayes@python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Install Question: Debian + Spambayes King, Richard (Unix Messaging) wrote: > Greetings! > > I'm trying to install Spambayes 1.0a7 on my Debian machine. First I > needed python, which I installed by using the following command: > apt-get install python2.2. Next I tried installing spambayes by using > with this command: python setup.py install. However, I get the > following error message when I try using the setup.py script. > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "setup.py", line 12, in ? > from distutils.core import setup > ImportError: No module named distutils.core > > Any suggestions? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated! An "apt-get install python2.2-dev" should do the trick for you. :) In my limited Debian experience, getting package foo will allow you to run programs written in foo, while foo-dev will allow you to write programs in foo. That doesn't really seem to be the case here, but... http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=distutils &searchon=all&subword=1&case=insensitive&version=all&release=all Package python-dev stable (interpreters): Header files and a static library for Python (default) 2.1.3-3: alpha arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc testing (python): Header files and a static library for Python (default) 2.3.3-4: alpha arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc unstable (python): Header files and a static library for Python (default) 2.3.3-5: alpha arm hppa hurd-i386 i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc Package python2.2-dev stable (interpreters): Header files and a static library for Python (v2.2) 2.2.1-4: alpha arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc testing (python): Header files and a static library for Python (v2.2) 2.2.3-7: alpha arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc unstable (python): Header files and a static library for Python (v2.2) 2.2.1.91-1: hurd-i386 2.2.3-7: alpha arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc Are you running a pure stable system? I've 2.3 installed locally and everything seems to work fine (though the system just hosts my personal MTA and Apache; I wouldn't call it production). I run everything stable except for this. HTH, Eli -- Give a man some mud, and he plays for a day. Teach a man to mud, and he plays for a lifetime. WickedGrey.com uses SpamBayes on incoming email: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ -- From jacob-spambayes-list at statisticalanomaly.com Thu Jan 15 17:11:31 2004 From: jacob-spambayes-list at statisticalanomaly.com (Jacob Farmer) Date: Thu Jan 15 17:09:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Thinking about changing SPAM cutoff; would like input Message-ID: <40071013.8050808@statisticalanomaly.com> Hello everyone, I'm running a database with about 1,200 entries, and roughly a 1:1 spam/ham ratio. Recently, I've been seeing a ton of unsure classifications. Of about 35 junk mail messages today, 12 of them were classified as unsure. I looked at the full message headers and these are the spam probabilities: .2020 .3363 .4206 .5814 .6129 .7295 .8032 .8404 .8444 .8517 .8571 .8797 The .2020 message should have been ham, and the rest should have been labeled as SPAM. I could move the spam cutoff to .8, but I still have a bunch in the middle. Is there a good stragety for trying to eliminate the unsures? I double-checked my wanted and spam folders, and there are no mis-classified messages, so that isn't the cause. Any suggestions? Jacob P.S. I'm using the most recent version of sp_imapfilter.py. From MFitzsimmons at csiks.com Thu Jan 15 17:09:40 2004 From: MFitzsimmons at csiks.com (Matt Fitzsimmons) Date: Thu Jan 15 17:10:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] View the database Message-ID: <707D94D54356D711BE52006008AF0A8C012C50@EXSERVER> To Whom it may concern: Is there a utility to view .DB files? Thanks Matt Fitzsimmons From kennypitt at hotmail.com Thu Jan 15 17:27:25 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Thu Jan 15 17:28:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] View the database In-Reply-To: <707D94D54356D711BE52006008AF0A8C012C50@EXSERVER> Message-ID: Matt Fitzsimmons wrote: > Is there a utility to view .DB files? You can't view .DB files directly, but there is a utility called sb_dbexpimp.py in the scripts directory that will export your token database to a delimited text file that can be imported pretty easily into something like Excel. -- Kenny Pitt From kennypitt at hotmail.com Thu Jan 15 17:35:55 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Thu Jan 15 17:36:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Thinking about changing SPAM cutoff; would like input In-Reply-To: <40071013.8050808@statisticalanomaly.com> Message-ID: Jacob Farmer wrote: > I'm running a database with about 1,200 entries, and roughly a 1:1 > spam/ham ratio. Recently, I've been seeing a ton of unsure > classifications. Of about 35 junk mail messages today, 12 of them > were classified as unsure. > > [snip] > > Is there a good stragety for trying to eliminate the unsures? Spam is constantly mutating, so even a well-trained SpamBayes will get some unsures for spam campaigns that it hasn't seen before. The same is also true for a ham message that is a little unusual compared to the rest of your good messages. The best strategy is probably to go ahead and train on the unsures. Your balance doesn't have to remain at a perfect 1:1, just somewhere close, and if it strays too far then you can pick a few properly classified messages to add to the training just to balance it out again. Since spam often comes in bursts of similar messages, you may find that training on only 1 or 2 of the unsure spams will cause the rest to be classified correctly as well. You can check this by training on 1 message at a time, and then looking at the clues for the other messages to see the updated score. There aren't any training strategies that are known to be best for all users and e-mail mixes. There's a good bit of information about various strategies here on our Wiki: -- Kenny Pitt From v9tlipcxrb at tim.it Thu Jan 15 17:41:43 2004 From: v9tlipcxrb at tim.it (Berry Christie) Date: Thu Jan 15 17:48:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Best - Deals ---- Xanax And Valium! Message-ID: <7-75iv$05ias$udwxy30@tq8t.ag> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040115/5aa51fad/attachment.html From popiel at wolfskeep.com Thu Jan 15 18:14:18 2004 From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel) Date: Thu Jan 15 18:14:22 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Files in top level dir Message-ID: <20040115231418.C9C7C2DF18@cashew.wolfskeep.com> Is there any reason for cleanarch and runtest.sh to be in the top level directory of the CVS image? It seems like runtest.sh belongs in testtools, and cleanarch belongs either in scripts or in testtools, too. Thoughts? - Alex From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jan 15 19:27:07 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jan 15 19:27:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: spambayes under windows 95 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304A7D4AF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467784A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > This is why I said it will not install under Windows 95 [quote from http://spambayes.org/windows.html snipped] Ah, ok! After some discussion, we're pretty sure that the plug-in will work with Win95 (assuming you have Outlook 2000 or later), and we haven't had anyone say that it wouldn't. (OTOH, of course, there probably aren't that many people using OL2k + W95 these days). So the website has been updated to consistently reflect this. If anyone does, in fact, have a problem using the plug-in in these circumstances, please let us know. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From alex at illmeasures.com Thu Jan 15 19:57:52 2004 From: alex at illmeasures.com (al - X) Date: Thu Jan 15 19:57:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes wont show up in outlook Message-ID: <000201c3dbcb$c6521ce0$210110ac@hal> Hi I installed Spambayes-Outlook-Setup-0081 I made sure outlook and all word windows were closed when I did it. When I open outlook I get no start-up window for spambayes and the spambayes tool bar doesn't show up at all nor is it an option to add to the outlook toolbar.. How do I get it going? Thanks! Alex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040115/5714a987/attachment.html From plel at iprimus.com.au Thu Jan 15 21:33:22 2004 From: plel at iprimus.com.au (Patrick Ellis) Date: Thu Jan 15 21:33:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re Outlook Express Message-ID: <000c01c3dbd9$1cad4710$c64832d2@EDA> As I use Outlook Express and do not know how to change from this is it possible for mr to purchase a copy using Outlook Express Regards P.L.Ellis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040116/f2cad5ed/attachment.html From sbehrens at gmx.li Fri Jan 16 05:05:28 2004 From: sbehrens at gmx.li (Thorsten Behrens) Date: Fri Jan 16 05:02:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re Outlook Express In-Reply-To: <000c01c3dbd9$1cad4710$c64832d2@EDA> References: <000c01c3dbd9$1cad4710$c64832d2@EDA> Message-ID: <4007B768.3020109@gmx.li> Patrick Ellis wrote: > As I use Outlook Express and do not know how to change from this is it > possible for mr to purchase a copy using Outlook Express Purchase a copy of what? Spambayes is not a commercial product. It "integrates" with OE using the source distribution pop3proxy. However, you can give commercial offerings a try, such as SpamBully. Which is linked from the SpamBayes home page, by the way. :, http://www.spambully.com/ From Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com Fri Jan 16 07:40:56 2004 From: Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com (Robert Mezzone) Date: Fri Jan 16 07:41:01 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes wont show up in outlook Message-ID: <1254A68F4903D411B24800508B1220E9037A7F19@solomon1.pjsc.internal> Try "Help" "About Microsoft Outlook". Click the "Disabled Items" button and see if SpamBayes is listed here. If it is enable it.( Restart Outlook. I'm doing this from memory so menu choices may be slightly different. Hth. Robert -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org To: spambayes@python.org Sent: Thu Jan 15 19:57:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes wont show up in outlook Hi I installed Spambayes-Outlook-Setup-0081 I made sure outlook and all word windows were closed when I did it. When I open outlook I get no start-up window for spambayes and the spambayes tool bar doesn't show up at all nor is it an option to add to the outlook toolbar.. How do I get it going? Thanks! Alex From fredfredwin at yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 08:01:20 2004 From: fredfredwin at yahoo.com (fred fredwin) Date: Fri Jan 16 08:01:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question with SpamBayes and Windows 95 Message-ID: <20040116130121.60683.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> I am trying to run SpamBayes in Outlook 2000 on a Windows 95 and keep getting the "Unable to Register the spambayes_addin.dll" message. I have tried to manually register the dll (regsvr32) and all of the other suggestions without any luck. I have installed the Winsock 2.0 upgrade on the machine, and I still cannot install that .dll. Does anybody have any suggestions? Fred Fredwin IT Tech --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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There is an open bug on it here, where you will find some workarounds described that *might* work for you. &aid=807618&group_id=61702&atid=498103> or if that gets too mangled, The next release will use an entirely different method of registering, so hopefully this will no longer be a problem. -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of fred fredwin Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:01 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Question with SpamBayes and Windows 95 I am trying to run SpamBayes in Outlook 2000 on a Windows 95 and keep getting the "Unable to Register the spambayes_addin.dll" message. I have tried to manually register the dll (regsvr32) and all of the other suggestions without any luck. I have installed the Winsock 2.0 upgrade on the machine, and I still cannot install that .dll. Does anybody have any suggestions? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(212) 231-2000 x107 www.cometsystems.com From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 16 12:40:47 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Seth Goodman) Date: Fri Jan 16 12:40:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes wont show up in outlook In-Reply-To: <000201c3dbcb$c6521ce0$210110ac@hal> Message-ID: Another common problem that shows up like this is that the menu bar is "off the right side of the screen" in Outlook. Sometimes, there is not enough room for all the menu bars, in which case you'll see a symbol something like >> and a little drop-down arrow. If you see this, just move it to a different place on your menu bar and hopefully all will be normal. -- Seth Goodman Humans: off-list replies to sethg [at] GoodmanAssociates [dot] com Spambots: disregard the above -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of al - X Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 6:58 PM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes wont show up in outlook Hi I installed Spambayes-Outlook-Setup-0081 I made sure outlook and all word windows were closed when I did it. When I open outlook I get no start-up window for spambayes and the spambayes tool bar doesn't show up at all nor is it an option to add to the outlook toolbar.. How do I get it going? Thanks! Alex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've added a [globals] section to bayescustomize.ini, and added a line: verbose:True but that seems to get removed when I look at the file with the admin ui. is this the right file to modify and have I got the syntax right. if so, I suppose that I want to retry without looking at the admin ui. however, I'm pretty sure that before I looked at the admin ui, I got no more information in /var/log/messages, which is where I'd expect to see the messages. > > I don't feel that I can submit a bug report without more > > information as it's currently unreproduceable (otherwise it > > would have been seen elsewhere), so I'd like to get more > > debug info - how can I turn debug logging on? > > In your configuration file, set "verbose" to "True" (in the "globals" > section). This will print out info whenever the cache files are used > (loaded, moved, deleted, etc). From mtg82814 at caeis02.ed.ray.com Fri Jan 16 14:43:11 2004 From: mtg82814 at caeis02.ed.ray.com (Michael Godfrey) Date: Fri Jan 16 14:43:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] imap_filter.py question Message-ID: <200401161943.i0GJhB310456@melsud.res.ray.com> I am new to SpamBayes. I just installed Python (including windows extentions), and SpamBayes. The installations seemed to go fine. I am trying to use the IMAP filter. When I run the command "sb_imapfilter.py -b", it tells me to access the user interface by going to this page: http://localhost:8880/ When I try to access the page, my browser just sits there spinning away the message bar says: "Connect: Host localhost:8880 contacted. Waiting for reply." I am using Win2000 pro. I am using Spambayes 1.0a7 I am using Python 2.3.3 Any Idea's? Are there any log files I can look at to see what is going on? Do I have to be a member of the mail group to get responses? 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I was going very fast, and deleted my Junk Mail folder, instead of it's contents... Can I simply create a new one, and will it work, or do I have to re-install and go over the whole process again? The Junk Suspects folder is still there. Thanks! Richard Davis RSDavisNet 3341 Wisconsin Street Oakland, CA 94602 510-530-7337 - ph. 510-910-3210 - cell Richard@RSDavisNet.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040116/7976b57e/attachment.html From listsub at wickedgrey.com Fri Jan 16 19:34:30 2004 From: listsub at wickedgrey.com (Eli Stevens (WG.c)) Date: Fri Jan 16 19:35:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help! I accidentally deleted my Junk Mail folder... References: <000601c3dc8b$28485620$6401a8c0@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <40088316.6090606@wickedgrey.com> Richard Davis wrote: > > I was going very fast, and deleted my Junk Mail folder, instead of it's > contents... > > Can I simply create a new one, and will it work, or do I have to > re-install and go over the whole process again? > > The Junk Suspects folder is still there. I believe that the FAQ can help you here: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam-folder If that doesn't solve your problem let the list know. :) Most likely log files would be of help: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/spambayes/spambayes/Outlook2000/docs/troubleshooting.html?rev=HEAD#CheckLog I think you can get the same information by: SpamBayes -> Help -> Troubleshooting Guide -> then search for "attach the log file" and click on it when you find it. Best of luck, Eli From harlander at harlander.co.uk Sat Jan 17 05:04:23 2004 From: harlander at harlander.co.uk (John Harlander Harland) Date: Sat Jan 17 05:04:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy Service problem - Error 1 Message-ID: <400908A7.24585.364C35@localhost> Hello. I'm having some trouble with running the pop3 proxy service. My system is running WinXP Home, and I've installed Python 2.3 and the win32 extensions to e:\miscellaneous\python23\ I extracted the spambayes zip into another subfolder of e:\miscellaneous, and ran setup.py install. Now, doing pop3proxy_service.py install seems to work all right, the service appears in the service browser - however, on running net start pop3proxy fails, returning error code 1. In the Event Viewer, the following messages occurred: Python could not import the service's module File "E:\Miscellaneous\Python23\Scripts\pop3proxy_service.py", line 82, in ? import sb_server File "E:\Miscellaneous\Python23\Scripts\sb_server.py", line 100, in ? import spambayes.message File "E:\MISCEL~1\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", line 198, in ? msginfoDB = MessageInfoDB(message_info_db_name) File "E:\MISCEL~1\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", line 162, in __init__ self.load() File "E:\MISCEL~1\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", line 166, in load self.dbm = dbmstorage.open(self.db_name, self.mode) File "E:\MISCEL~1\Python23\Lib\site- packages\spambayes\dbmstorage.py", line 60, in open return f(db_name, mode) as well as Python could not construct the class instance Running pop3proxy_service.py debug produces the following traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "E:\Miscellaneous\Python23\Scripts\pop3proxy_service.py", line 184, in ?win32serviceutil.HandleCommandLine(Service) File "E:\MISCEL~1\Python23\lib\site- packages\win32\lib\win32serviceutil.py", line 474, in HandleCommandLine exeName = LocateSpecificServiceExe(serviceName) File "E:\MISCEL~1\Python23\lib\site- packages\win32\lib\win32serviceutil.py", line 83, in LocateSpecificServiceExe hkey = win32api.RegOpenKey (win32con.HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE,"SYSTEM\\CurrentControlSet\\Services\\%s" % (serviceName), 0, win32con.KEY_ALL_ACCESS) pywintypes.error: (2, 'RegOpenKeyEx', 'The system cannot find the file specified.') Running sb_server.py works correctly, and I can interface my mail client to it. Could anyone glean from the above error messages what's wrong (presumably with my setup) and suggest a way of fixing it? Thanks. From rsvp at india.com Sat Jan 17 11:46:40 2004 From: rsvp at india.com (lkjdslkjfkljfsljfslj dsfdsff) Date: Sat Jan 17 11:55:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <20040117164640.7614.qmail@india.com> Feng Shui products from our exclusive Feng Shui Parlour delivered free at your doorstep. For all your requirements of Feng Shui products like laughing Buddha, Lucky Coins, Wind Chimes, Lucky Lharms, Malas, Pendents etc. delivered free at your doorstep. For all your requirements of Feng Shui products like laughing Buddha, Lucky Coins, Wind Chimes, Lucky Lharms, Malas, Pendents etc. delivered free at your doorstep.? For details please contact smartjobs6799@rediffmail.com -- India.com free e-mail - www.india.com. Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for mail storage, POP3, e-mail forwarding, and ads-free mailboxes! Powered by Outblaze From kerryd at cox.net Sat Jan 17 14:10:38 2004 From: kerryd at cox.net (Kerry Davis) Date: Sat Jan 17 14:10:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes will not register DLL Message-ID: <20040117191040.HRFY3905.fed1mtao04.cox.net@cx111111a> When trying to install SpamBayes on XP with Outlook 2003, I get this error when it tries to register the spambayes_addin.dll: Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; code 0x00000000 Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a fix or workaround? Kerry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040117/c3f3586c/attachment.html From bradley at kri.ch Sun Jan 18 05:57:41 2004 From: bradley at kri.ch (Bradley Richards) Date: Sun Jan 18 05:57:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] bug? Or stupid user? Message-ID: Hi folks, I've been trying out your alpha-7 release, hoping to find a good anti-Spam solution for our small company. But I've been having some troubles, which I'll describe below. If this looks like a bug to you, let me know what further information I can provide. First: I'm running SpamBayes as a proxy on our firewall, which is an NT4 (sp6a) machine. SpamBayes is running under Python version 2.3 using the command "sb_server.pyc -b". Problems began after training on about 500 messages. The database apparently became corrupted, and I received the message 30982, DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery I finally found a utility "db_recover.exe", compiled for Windows. It ran, but didn't say what (if anything) it accomplished. In any case, it did not fix the problem. So I removed the database, and let SpamBayes create a new one. I left the existing messages in the subdirectory caches (ham, spam, unsure). SpamBayes worked on today's messages, but when I tried to go to the review messages page for yesterday (via the web-interface), I received the message: error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel (socket.error:(10053, 'Software caused connection abort') [C:\PYTHON23\lib\asynchat.py|initiate_send|218] [C:\PYTHON23\lib\asyncore. py|send|334]) This is gibberish to me, but perhaps it means something to you... In any case, I then deleted both the database and all messages in the cache. SpamBayes is presently working correctly. I suspect that some aspect of a message confused SpamBayes and led both to the damaged database and to the crash described above. To this end: - it would seem important to provide clear instructions how to repair the database, if/when it becomes damaged. Although db_recover "seemed" to run, it provided no meaningful feedback, even in verbose mode. It refused to take a database name as an argument, and I don't actually think it did anything. - if this problem arises again, I would be happy to provide you with further information. Can you tell me what would be useful to you? I am a programmer, but I do not know Python... Cheers, Brad -------------------- Dr. Bradley Richards Kraan and Richards http://www.kri.ch/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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SETUP: I'm running on a machine where I don't have root privileges, so I installed this way: python2.2 setup.py install --home /usr/home/netalyst/usr/local/ --install-purelib /usr/home/netalyst/usr/local/lib/python2.2 --install-platlib /usr/home/netalyst/usr/local/lib/python2.2 which seemed to work, and then initialized .hammie.db: setenv PYTHONPATH /usr/home/netalyst/usr/local/lib/python2.2 python2.2 /usr/home/netalyst/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py -d .hammie.db -n which also worked. However, the .procmailrc script below fails, with the "libdb3.so.3 not found" error .procmailrc LOGFILE=pmlog PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/home/netalyst/bin:/usr/home/netalyst/usr/b in:/usr/home/netalyst/usr/local/bin PYTHONPATH=/usr/home/netalyst/usr/local/lib/python2.2 :0fw:hamlock | /usr/local/bin/python2.2 /usr/home/netalyst/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py -d .hammie.db .. etc. From laurent.amar at amarconsulting.com Sun Jan 18 23:07:34 2004 From: laurent.amar at amarconsulting.com (Laurent Amar) Date: Sun Jan 18 23:08:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <001401c3de41$c527db70$c3b04142@pcacg> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Most mail clients support some form of "whitelisting." It's just outside of the scope of the Spambayes project to maintain a whitelist, or other forms of spam filtering. The good news is, with Spambayes, it turns out that you don't need it anyway (generally speaking). > 2) When I receive SPAM and mark it as such (confirm it is SPAM) > Does > SP send an e-mail to the spammer saying that their e-mail did not go > through? Which other ways are there to give an incentive to Spammer to > remove people from their list? By looking at the address their mail > comes > from it looks like their address are sometimes automatically generated in > hotmail and most likely, they never even read the response they may get. Usually, a spammer does not give his own email address, to prevent mailflood counters. If the return address is valid, it's for another innocent victim. The problem with responding to that address is that you'll only be annoying someone who can do as much about it as you can. > 3) Also there are a lot of spam e-mails I receive that has a bunch of > nonsense characters inserted in between words. Example of subject lines > * Re: KNGWMGHO, he would fall > * Re: WWXURLAE, those two! Though > * Re: JSCWOL, uttering preposterous things > * Do you have any idea how to identify these strings of > text > that make no sense and flag that? (for example, any word with more than > X > vowels in a raw We've looked at some schemes that involve tokenizing random and intentionally misspelled words, but to date we've not seen any significant improvement over the existing technology. We can catch the vast majority of spams already. Most of us have capture rates over 99%. Until the spammers dream up a way to both fool us AND make a mail that people will still be able to understand, spambayes will not likely need much in this way. > > I do not know if you were interested in this kind of suggestions or would > have time to respond but just in case? Thanks for taking the time to drop us a line! Keep an eye out for future releases... -- Tim Stone From anthony at interlink.com.au Mon Jan 19 02:29:16 2004 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Mon Jan 19 02:31:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spammers abusing the yahoo redirector. Message-ID: <20040119072916.E91FA25AF47@bonanza.off.ekorp.com> At work, we're seeing a whole pile of URLs in spam of the form http://rd.yahoo.com/hbillgbyijbd/*http://www.naturalgrowthmeds.com/rmvefwfewjlk/ This is (ab)using the rd.yahoo.com redirector to attempt to foil the filters. We should probably put a simple rule in to fix this. From anthony at interlink.com.au Mon Jan 19 03:08:25 2004 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Mon Jan 19 03:08:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <001401c3de41$c527db70$c3b04142@pcacg> Message-ID: <20040119080825.CAB1F25AF47@bonanza.off.ekorp.com> >>> "Laurent Amar" wrote Please check the FAQ at the Spambayes website - the link is at the top of every page. > 1) When I mark a message as good ('ham') does SP automatically records > who it is from and consider all mail from that person good regardless of the > wording? If not, would you think that this is a good idea? http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-don-t-you-add-whitelisting-blacklisting-to-spambayes > 2) When I receive SPAM and mark it as such (confirm it is SPAM) Does > SP send an e-mail to the spammer saying that their e-mail did not go > through? Which other ways are there to give an incentive to Spammer to > remove people from their list? By looking at the address their mail comes > from it looks like their address are sometimes automatically generated in > hotmail and most likely, they never even read the response they may get. http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-can-t-i-bounce-spam-back-to-the-sender > 3) Also there are a lot of spam e-mails I receive that has a bunch of > nonsense characters inserted in between words. Example of subject lines > * Re: KNGWMGHO, he would fall > * Re: WWXURLAE, those two! Though > * Re: JSCWOL, uttering preposterous things > * Do you have any idea how to identify these strings of text > that make no sense and flag that? (for example, any word with more than X > vowels in a raw These words are generally ignored by spambayes. If you do a 'Show Spam Clues', you'll see that they don't show up. A long time ago I seem to recall that some testing was done to see if handling this specially would make any difference - I think it showed that it made little or no difference. Thanks for the feedback, Anthony -- Anthony Baxter It's never too late to have a happy childhood. From anthony at interlink.com.au Mon Jan 19 03:09:24 2004 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Mon Jan 19 03:09:34 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spammers abusing the yahoo redirector. In-Reply-To: <20040119072916.E91FA25AF47@bonanza.off.ekorp.com> Message-ID: <20040119080924.8319825AF47@bonanza.off.ekorp.com> >>> Anthony Baxter wrote > At work, we're seeing a whole pile of URLs in spam of the form > http://rd.yahoo.com/hbillgbyijbd/*http://www.naturalgrowthmeds.com/rmvefwfewj lk/ > > This is (ab)using the rd.yahoo.com redirector to attempt to foil > the filters. We should probably put a simple rule in to fix this.\ They're also hitting drs.yahoo.com in the same way. Anthony From patrick.van.deursen at asm.com Mon Jan 19 05:08:43 2004 From: patrick.van.deursen at asm.com (Patrick van Deursen) Date: Mon Jan 19 05:08:56 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Issues with reinstalling Spam bayes Message-ID: First of all I would like to start off with mentioning that the program works like a charm!! I only have a few spams a week when I used to have 30 per day. I do however have an problem re installing SB after a outlook crash. I have the button delete as spam and spam bayes and after reinstalling the program (after first deinstalling it as mentioned in the troubleshoot manual) I still have those two buttons but SB still doesnt work. I am using win xp SB 008 Outlook 2002 sp2 normally it worked reinstalling but this time I'm stumped. please help me get this perfect program working again thanks, kind regards Patrick van Deursen Customer Support group VF ASM Europe B.V. Versterkerstraat 8 1322 AP Almere Tel. +31 (0)36-540 6711 Reception Tel: +31 (0)30 229 8424 Direct Fax: +31 (0)30 229 8657 Mob: +31 (0) 6 20210437 URL: www.asm.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040119/02758663/attachment.html From kennypitt at hotmail.com Mon Jan 19 08:35:55 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Mon Jan 19 08:36:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes will not register DLL In-Reply-To: <6051998C996D244EA3189DC2CBF86F21019262@defiant.morden.ashmountain.com> Message-ID: This is a known bug, but the developers have been unable to reproduce it. The registration method is being completely redone for the next release, which will hopefully solve this. See the Outlook Frequently Reported Bugs page here: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/apps/outlook/bugs.html#installation-fai ls-with-dll-registration-error or if that gets too mangled, http://tinyurl.com/yqoy4 -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of John Murrell Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:25 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: FW: [Spambayes] Spambayes will not register DLL Kerry I also use XP and Outlook 2003 and also received an error message like this while trying to install SpamBayes over a network. When I copied the file to my desktop it install fine. Regards. _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Kerry Davis Sent: 17 January 2004 19:11 To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes will not register DLL When trying to install SpamBayes on XP with Outlook 2003, I get this error when it tries to register the spambayes_addin.dll: Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; code 0x00000000 Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a fix or workaround? Kerry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040119/c35f4ad9/attachment.html From kennypitt at hotmail.com Mon Jan 19 08:41:59 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Mon Jan 19 08:42:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] trouble with filtering In-Reply-To: <009101c3dd77$55a29170$c286fea9@jimlaptop2> Message-ID: "Enable filtering" and "Enable SpamBayes" are synonymous. Make sure "Enable SpamBayes" is turned on in the General tab. Also check the settings for your Certain Spam folder in the Filtering tab. There might be a problem there, especially if you've ever accidentally deleted your spam folder. There's more info about how to check and correct these settings in FAQ 3.13 here: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam -folder Also, a copy of your logfiles always makes it easier for us to determine why something isn't working as expected. See SpamBayes/Help/Troubleshooting Guide for info. -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of James Small MD Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:58 PM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] trouble with filtering I just installed spambayes for Outlook, on an XP computer. I noticed an email came in to my Inbox that looks like spam, so I highlighted it and checked the score. It was 99%. But spambayes did not put it into my junk mail folder. I've been through the documentation and it keeps referring to an "enable filtering" checkbox. I don't find such a box, just an "enable SpamBayes" in the manager. Oops, there is another spam, again not moved to junk. Score this time is 100%. It IS supposed to automatically move spam to junk, isn't it? Or did I miss something fundamental? Jim Small -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040119/8aff3847/attachment-0001.html From kennypitt at hotmail.com Mon Jan 19 08:50:01 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Mon Jan 19 08:50:48 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Configuration wizard fails In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You just need to reconfigure your Spam and Unsure folders on the Filtering tab in SpamBayes Manager. Importing your folders into a new PST file changes the internal identifiers even though the names look the same, so SpamBayes can't find the folders anymore. You can follow the same procedures described in FAQ 3.13 as if you had deleted the folders: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam -folder -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces+kennypitt=hotmail.com@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces+kennypitt=hotmail.com@python.org] On Behalf Of Neishtadt, Leonid Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:45 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Configuration wizard fails I used Spambayers successfully until I allocated new .pst file and imported the old file into it. Now SpamBayer manager shows "watching ' Message-ID: The good news is that we are well aware of this bug. The bad news is that we have no idea what causes it. The only known workaround is the same as what you discovered, delete your database and message cache and start over from scratch. We are tracking this bug here, so if you can provide any additional information please add a comment: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail &aid=841819&group_id=61702&atid=498103 db_recover requires a "transaction log file", which allows it to rebuild your database by reapplying the changes that were made since a known good state. However, for backward compatibility reasons, we do not use the database in a mode that creates a transaction log so we are unable to recover the database. The SpamBayes proxy was designed to be used as a single-user proxy running on localhost, not as a shared proxy for multiple users. We suspect that some sort of access contention is causing the corruption, but we have been unable to reproduce. You may be able to work around this problem by using a "pickle" storage instead of the BerkelyDB database. Post a new question to the list if you can't find info on how to change this. -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Bradley Richards Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:58 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] bug? Or stupid user? Hi folks, I've been trying out your alpha-7 release, hoping to find a good anti-Spam solution for our small company. But I've been having some troubles, which I'll describe below. If this looks like a bug to you, let me know what further information I can provide. First: I'm running SpamBayes as a proxy on our firewall, which is an NT4 (sp6a) machine. SpamBayes is running under Python version 2.3 using the command "sb_server.pyc -b". Problems began after training on about 500 messages. The database apparently became corrupted, and I received the message 30982, DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040119/6b7a9d25/attachment.html From efosburgh at dallascpas.com Mon Jan 19 09:40:11 2004 From: efosburgh at dallascpas.com (Edward Fosburgh) Date: Mon Jan 19 09:40:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] "Delete as Spam" button Message-ID: <729DC9AC0A469A43B975B9DBCC134E8B0227C0@cpa01.cpa.local> I had been using "SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-002.exe". There were occasional spams that would arrive in my inbox that I could not move to the spam folder by clicking on the "Delete as Spam" button. So I went to your web-site and downloaded version "0081". It does not have a "Delete as Spam" button. When it delivers possible spam to the "Possible Spam" folder, I cannot click on the "Delete as Spam" button to train the program that it is spam. I have to manually move it to the spam folder. Why isn't the "Delete as Spam" button in this latest version? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040119/2af1c065/attachment.html From wcoakley at wacofinancial.com Mon Jan 19 10:24:38 2004 From: wcoakley at wacofinancial.com (Wayne Coakley) Date: Mon Jan 19 10:24:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <002d01c3dea0$5a77a530$0bfea8c0@WayneC> I have lost my "Recover from Spam" tab. Any suggestions? Using Outlook on XP Wayne F Coakley (800) 832-6313 toll free (614) 539-9100 local (614) 539-9144 fax (614) 206-4183 mobile www.wacofinancial.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040119/3a6f66ca/attachment.html From skip at pobox.com Mon Jan 19 12:44:08 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Mon Jan 19 12:44:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spammers abusing the yahoo redirector. In-Reply-To: <20040119072916.E91FA25AF47@bonanza.off.ekorp.com> References: <20040119072916.E91FA25AF47@bonanza.off.ekorp.com> Message-ID: <16396.5992.311044.798425@montanaro.dyndns.org> Anthony> At work, we're seeing a whole pile of URLs in spam of the form Anthony> http://rd.yahoo.com/hbillgbyijbd/*http://www.naturalgrowthmeds.com/rmvefwfewjlk/ Anthony> This is (ab)using the rd.yahoo.com redirector to attempt to Anthony> foil the filters. We should probably put a simple rule in to Anthony> fix this. You mentioned this and another yahoo.com redirector. Do you propose that we special-case them or try and come up with a scheme which tries to more generally detect redirectors (or just maintain a table of all "important" redirectors)? Google also exposes a redirector: http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.my-free-music.com/home.htm&sa=l&ai=Ao9nvWZBDAdLzJ4L-cU8lFDcA2rqiFAL802YALy_0JwQAQ6EAgT9ABgQAYaBAAAAAAA&num=1 which appears can be easily abused. This works without all the other gobbledygook: http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.my-free-music.com/home.htm With a few more redirector examples, perhaps we could conclude that URLs containing two "http://" strings are redirectors, then extract and tokenize only the second. or-maybe-i'm-trying-to-be-too-smart-ly, y'rs, Skip From tim.one at comcast.net Mon Jan 19 12:52:05 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Mon Jan 19 12:52:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spammers abusing the yahoo redirector. In-Reply-To: <20040119072916.E91FA25AF47@bonanza.off.ekorp.com> Message-ID: [Anthony Baxter] > At work, we're seeing a whole pile of URLs in spam of the form > http://rd.yahoo.com/hbillgbyijbd/*http://www.naturalgrowthmeds.com/rmvefwfew jlk/ > > This is (ab)using the rd.yahoo.com redirector to attempt to foil > the filters. Several redirectors are commonly used in spam. > We should probably put a simple rule in to fix this. Sorry, I'm not following: what's broken? The URL above generates this set of features now: 'url:*http' 'url:com' 'url:hbillgbyijbd' 'url:naturalgrowthmeds' 'url:rd' 'url:rmvefwfewjlk' 'url:www' 'url:yahoo' so we're not missing any of it. From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com Mon Jan 19 13:02:17 2004 From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone) Date: Mon Jan 19 13:02:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spammers abusing the yahoo redirector. In-Reply-To: <16396.5992.311044.798425@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <20040119072916.E91FA25AF47@bonanza.off.ekorp.com> <16396.5992.311044.798425@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:44:08 -0600, Skip Montanaro wrote: > With a few more redirector examples, perhaps we could conclude that URLs > containing two "http://" strings are redirectors, then extract and > tokenize > only the second. Seems like we should generate a token for the presence of two http:// strings in a url, and tokens for the second url... Here's a list of free url redirectors: http://www.geocities.com/webmasterlinks/url.htm There are certainly more. I haven't yet found a list of "legit" redirctors, such as yahoo and google... -- Vous exprimer; Expr?sese; Te stesso esprimere; Express yourself! Tim Stone See my photography at www.fourstonesExpressions.com See my writing at www.xanga.com/obj3kshun From tim.one at comcast.net Mon Jan 19 13:16:35 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Mon Jan 19 13:16:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spammers abusing the yahoo redirector. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Tim Stone] > Seems like we should generate a token for the presence of two http:// > strings in a url, But we already do, as a matter of course: the second http generates a "url:http" kind of token. They're pretty weak clues in my database: 'url:*http' spam: 6 ham: 5 'url:http' spam: 8 ham: 3 > and tokens for the second url... We also generate those now. > Here's a list of free url redirectors: > http://www.geocities.com/webmasterlinks/url.htm > > There are certainly more. I haven't yet found a list of "legit" > redirctors, such as yahoo and google... I don't expect this is of value in our scheme, although if someone does, propose a patch on spambayes-dev for testing. From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com Mon Jan 19 13:26:46 2004 From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone) Date: Mon Jan 19 13:26:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spammers abusing the yahoo redirector. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:16:35 -0500, Tim Peters wrote: > I don't expect this is of value in our scheme, although if someone does, > propose a patch on spambayes-dev for testing. Looks to me like you're right, again -- Tim Stone From otc at goto-email.com Mon Jan 19 13:29:38 2004 From: otc at goto-email.com (OTC Vault) Date: Mon Jan 19 13:29:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] IDUL - Featured Profile Message-ID: <200401191829.i0JITa8I004261@mxzilla2.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040119/1dd29fdb/attachment-0001.html From pnadeau at mobymail.com Mon Jan 19 18:24:57 2004 From: pnadeau at mobymail.com (Patrick Nadeau) Date: Mon Jan 19 18:25:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imampfilter 'classify' has no attirubte 'learn' Message-ID: <1280.65.92.191.232.1074554697.squirrel@www.mobymail.com> Acutally it's more like 'NoneType' has no attribute 'learn' I was tryning to run "sb_imapfilter.py -v -t -p " and it seems to load on emessage and then choke at classifier.learn: Training Training ham folder INBOX.Spambayes Training.Good Mail for Training *.Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 827, in ? run() File "/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 813, in run imap_filter.Train() File "/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 634, in Train num_ham_trained = folder.Train(self.classifier, False) File "/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 573, in Train classifier.learn(msg.asTokens(), isSpam) AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'learn' Does anyone have any ideas? I'm using 10.7a From tysonlt at webmedia.com.au Mon Jan 19 18:53:30 2004 From: tysonlt at webmedia.com.au (Tyson Lloyd Thwaites) Date: Mon Jan 19 18:55:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Praise! Message-ID: <002301c3dee7$70b07510$1864a8c0@hornet2> Hi Guys, I have just started using the Outlook tool, and oh-my-goodness, will you look at that, it actually sorts spam out!!! Great work guys! (Although I did cheat by giving it one month's worth of spam - approx 1300 messages!) Cheers, Tyson Lloyd Thwaites Technical Lead I.T&e Limited Level 1, 1 Alexandra Avenue Rose Park, SA 5067 Phone: (08) 8111 2800 Fax: (08) 8331 1735 Email: tysonlt@webmedia.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040120/5661ccc8/attachment.html From dwallen at missinglink.com Tue Jan 20 03:38:38 2004 From: dwallen at missinglink.com (Dennis Allen) Date: Tue Jan 20 03:38:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Old and New (part deux) Message-ID: Tony, 1) Yes, some Spam is being filtered. Some is also being routed to the "Suspected" folder. Unlike the original version I used on my Win2K machine shortly after the Info-World article, most spam ends up in my in-box these days. 2)Regarding how you train it: The version I first used that worked so well, worked pretty much with the defaults. In fact, it worked so darn well that I was afraid to change anything from the defaults. This is no longer the case with the current version, or on WInXP, or my current configuration. 3)My inbox currently holds 75 valid emails (many not read) and about 7,000 spams (nearly all not read.) Since I posted the original email in this list, I deleted about 5K spams, so the raining originally occurred on about 60 good and 10K bad. I have tried training manually, and have also set it to "I haven't configured..." in the hopes that it would learn faster. In other words, I go back and forth, with not much luck either way. It is not clear to me which way I should leave it. It did not seem to matter before. 4) My false negatives' scores are quite low. My most recent undetected spam shows up as "0.214000...". My most recent "Nigerian scam" spam scores "Spam Score: 0% (3.88578e-016)" according to SpamBayes. ---- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:31:24 +1300 From: "Tony Meyer" Subject: RE: [Spambayes] SpamBayes old and new To: "'Dennis Allen'" , Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046777EE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Since then, my Win2K machine has died, and I have installed > the latest SpamBayes versions on 2-3 new WinXP systems, one > using Home, and 2 using Pro. With the newer versions of > SpamBayes (or maybe it's due to Win XP), no matter what I do, > most spam ends up in my Inbox. You say "most", not "all", so I assume that some spam, at least, is being correctly filtered? (In other words, the problem isn't that the program isn't working, it's that the results aren't satisfactory.) If that's not the case, let us know, and we can try and figure out what the problem is (the log files help, a lot). Basically SpamBayes works as well as you train it. How has the training you've done on the newer machines differed from the old? Do you have a roughly even balance of ham and spam training data? How many ham and spam messages have you trained? If you look at the spam clues for false negatives, can you see *why* they have been classified as ham? =Tony Meyer From wangmy at XNB.swirebev.com Tue Jan 20 03:58:39 2004 From: wangmy at XNB.swirebev.com (Mingyuan Wang) Date: Tue Jan 20 03:59:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes problem Message-ID: Hi, after I try to uninstall spambayes, the problem occurs. It does not work any more even I reinstall it. When I click DELETE as Spam, there are no any response from my system. My system: windows 2000 Outlook XP Spambayes version:008.1 Waiting for your reply in China, thanks a lot. Wang Mingyuan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040120/9e1e6f64/attachment.html From rajul.surana at oracle.com Tue Jan 20 05:29:22 2004 From: rajul.surana at oracle.com (Rajul Surana) Date: Tue Jan 20 05:29:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam field does not get populated Message-ID: <400D0302.6060406@oracle.com> Hi, I configured spambayes to work with my outlook client. Also trained it with abt 6-8 messages. But even after training the spam field does not get populated. Nor do spam messages automatically move to the spam folder. I've downloaded spambayes from here... http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/downloads/SpamBayes-Setup-Experimental-01.exe I'm using MS Outlook 2000 And I have attached the log file. I'm using Oracle's outlook connector in association with MS Outlook to read email. Oracle Outlook Connector is a calendaring and messaging service provider that gives the Microsoft Outlook client access to Oracle?s calendar server and any IMAP4-compliant e-mail server including Oracle9iAS. It basically interprets MAPI commands that outlook sends to it and translates them to IMAP commands which it sends to Oracle's email server. Any help here would be appreciated very much. Thanks, Rajul. -------------- next part -------------- Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\rsurana\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db' Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\rsurana\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db' Bayes database initialized with 3 spam and 2 good messages SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.85 (December 2003) starting (with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003)) on Windows 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 3) using Python 2.3.2+ (#49, Oct 23 2003, 15:50:06) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] Folder 'Oracle - rajul.surana/IPM/Inbox' has no field named 'Spam' - creating WARNING: We just created the user field in folder Oracle - rajul.surana/IPM/Inbox, but it appears to not exist. Something is probably wrong with DoesFolderHaveOutlookField() SpamBayes: Watching (for filtering) in 'Oracle - rajul.surana/IPM/Inbox' SpamBayes: Watching (for filtering) in 'Personal Folders/Inbox' Folder 'Oracle - rajul.surana/IPM/Junk E-Mail' has no field named 'Spam' - creating WARNING: We just created the user field in folder Oracle - rajul.surana/IPM/Junk E-Mail, but it appears to not exist. Something is probably wrong with DoesFolderHaveOutlookField() SpamBayes: Watching (for incremental training) in 'Oracle - rajul.surana/IPM/Junk E-Mail' Folder 'Oracle - rajul.surana/IPM/Junk Suspects' has no field named 'Spam' - creating WARNING: We just created the user field in folder Oracle - rajul.surana/IPM/Junk Suspects, but it appears to not exist. Something is probably wrong with DoesFolderHaveOutlookField() Processing missed spam in folder 'Inbox' by starting a timer Processing missed spam in folder 'Inbox' by starting a timer From eielsen at stud.ntnu.no Tue Jan 20 07:05:27 2004 From: eielsen at stud.ntnu.no (Arnfinn Aas Eielsen) Date: Tue Jan 20 07:05:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Need help setting up spambayes with procmail Message-ID: Hi I'm trying to use this filter on my linux account at school using procmail, but I have run into som problems. I included these lines in my .procmailrc file: :0 fw:hamlock | $HOME/bin/sb_filter.py -f :0: * ^X-Spambayes-Classification: spam SPAM :0: * ^X-Spambayes_Classification: unsure UNSURE And when I later looked at the logfile from procmail I got something like this: procmail: [1071] Tue Jan 20 12:16:08 2004 procmail: Assigning "LOGABSTRACT=all" procmail: Assigning "MAILDIR=/home/homes/ei/eielsen/mail" procmail: Assigning "INCLUDERC=/home/homes/ei/eielsen/.procmail/rc.spam" procmail: Locking "hamlock" procmail: Executing "/home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/sb_filter.py,-f" /home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/sb_filter.py: Usage: %(program)s [OPTION]...^J^J[OPTI ON] is one of:^J -h^J show usage and exit^J -x^J show some u sage examples and exit^J -d DBFILE^J use database in DBFILE^J -D PI CKLEFILE^J use pickle (instead of database) in PICKLEFILE^J -n^J create a new database^J*+ -f^J filter (default if no processing option s are given)^J*+ -t^J [EXPERIMENTAL] filter and train based on the resul t (you must^J make sure to untrain all mistakes later)^J* -g^J [ EXPERIMENTAL] (re)train as a good (ham) message^J* -s^J [EXPERIMENTAL] (re)train as a bad (spam) message^J* -G^J [EXPERIMENTAL] untrain ham (o nly use if you've already trained^J this message)^J* -S^J [EXPER IMENTAL] untrain spam (only use if you've already trained^J this message) ^J^JAll options marked with '*' operate on stdin. Only those processing options ^Jmarked with '+' send a modified message to stdout.^J: not found /home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/sb_filter.py: import: not found /home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/sb_filter.py: import: not found /home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/sb_filter.py: import: not found Can't open /var/mail/spambayes /home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/sb_filter.py: program: not found /home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/sb_filter.py: example_doc: not found /home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/sb_filter.py: syntax error at line 82: `(' unexpected procmail: Program failure (2) of "/home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/sb_filter.py" procmail: Rescue of unfiltered data succeeded procmail: Unlocking "hamlock" procmail: No match on "^X-Spambayes-Classification: spam" procmail: No match on "^X-Spambayes_Classification: unsure" [...] >From owner-pirum-03@stud.ntnu.no Tue Jan 20 12:16:08 2004 Subject: Oppdrag imorgen Folder: /home/homes/ei/eielsen/mail/INBOX 2413 procmail: Notified comsat: "eielsen@12080727:/home/homes/ei/eielsen/mail/INBOX" Can anyone help me with this problem? Any help is greatly appreciated :) Thanks, Arnfinn Aas Eielsen ___________________________________________________________________________ Arnfinn Aas Eielsen 402 44 954 eielsen@stud.ntnu.no From papaDoc at videotron.ca Tue Jan 20 08:59:13 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Tue Jan 20 08:59:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Need help setting up spambayes with procmail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <400D3431.4080202@videotron.ca> Hi, >And when I later looked at the logfile from procmail I got something like >this: > >procmail: [1071] Tue Jan 20 12:16:08 2004 >procmail: Assigning "LOGABSTRACT=all" >procmail: Assigning "MAILDIR=/home/homes/ei/eielsen/mail" >procmail: Assigning "INCLUDERC=/home/homes/ei/eielsen/.procmail/rc.spam" >procmail: Locking "hamlock" >procmail: Executing "/home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/sb_filter.py,-f" >/home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/sb_filter.py: Usage: %(program)s >[OPTION]...^J^J[OPTI >ON] is one of:^J -h^J show usage and exit^J -x^J show >some u >sage examples and exit^J -d DBFILE^J use database in DBFILE^J >-D PI > > > This look like the file is not run. If you are using linux verify that you can execute the file. Do you have python installed ? Remi -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Email From skip at pobox.com Tue Jan 20 09:19:32 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue Jan 20 09:19:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Old and New (part deux) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16397.14580.655981.445802@montanaro.dyndns.org> Dennis> 3)My inbox currently holds 75 valid emails (many not read) and Dennis> about 7,000 spams (nearly all not read.) Since I posted the Dennis> original email in this list, I deleted about 5K spams, so the Dennis> raining originally occurred on about 60 good and 10K bad. I Dennis> have tried training manually, and have also set it to "I haven't Dennis> configured..." in the hopes that it would learn faster. In Dennis> other words, I go back and forth, with not much luck either way. Dennis> It is not clear to me which way I should leave it. It did not Dennis> seem to matter before. I suggest you try to get your ham:spam ratio closer to 1:2. Even after your many deletions, you still have 1:93. Maybe just start from scratch. Skip From skip at pobox.com Tue Jan 20 09:26:45 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue Jan 20 09:26:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Need help setting up spambayes with procmail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16397.15013.693057.954682@montanaro.dyndns.org> Arnfinn> I have run into som problems. I included these lines in my Arnfinn> .procmailrc file: Arnfinn> :0 fw:hamlock Arnfinn> | $HOME/bin/sb_filter.py -f Arnfinn> :0: Arnfinn> * ^X-Spambayes-Classification: spam Arnfinn> SPAM Arnfinn> :0: Arnfinn> * ^X-Spambayes_Classification: unsure Arnfinn> UNSURE ... Arnfinn> And when I later looked at the logfile from procmail I got Arnfinn> something like this: ... Arnfinn> procmail: Executing "/home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/sb_filter.py,-f" ... Arnfinn> /home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/sb_filter.py: import: not found ... Does the #! line in $HOME/bin/sb_filter.py refer to a valid Python interpreter? Is it a valid #! line? What happens if you get rid of the unnecessary -f flag? The last line I quoted suggests that sb_filter.py is actually being executed by bash or sh. Also, note that you typo in your unsure action. "Classification" should be preceeded by a dash ("-"), not an underscore ("_"). Skip From eielsen at stud.ntnu.no Tue Jan 20 10:23:04 2004 From: eielsen at stud.ntnu.no (Arnfinn Aas Eielsen) Date: Tue Jan 20 10:23:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Need help setting up spambayes with procmail In-Reply-To: <16397.15013.693057.954682@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <16397.15013.693057.954682@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Hi Thanks alot for answering to my mail. > Does the #! line in $HOME/bin/sb_filter.py refer to a valid Python > interpreter? Is it a valid #! line? What happens if you get rid of the > unnecessary -f flag? The last line I quoted suggests that sb_filter.py is > actually being executed by bash or sh. Ok, I looked inside the sb_filter.py file in my $HOME/bin/, and the first line of it is: #!/home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/python These two files are in my $HOME/bin/ directory: -rwxr-xr-x 2 eielsen eall_s 2602216 2004-01-13 14:08 python -rwxr-xr-x 1 eielsen eall_s 5348 2004-01-13 14:13 sb_filter.py I tried including this in my .procmailrc file instead: :0 fw:hamlock | $HOME/bin/python $HOME/bin/sb_filter.py And got this log: procmail: [4582] Tue Jan 20 16:01:04 2004 procmail: Assigning "LOGABSTRACT=all" procmail: Assigning "MAILDIR=/home/homes/ei/eielsen/mail" procmail: Assigning "INCLUDERC=/home/homes/ei/eielsen/.procmail/rc.spam" procmail: Locking "hamlock" procmail: Executing "/home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/python,/home/homes/ei/eielsen/bi n/sb_filter.py" /home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/python: syntax error at line 1: `(' unexpected procmail: [4582] Tue Jan 20 16:01:05 2004 procmail: Program failure (2) of "/home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/python" procmail: Rescue of unfiltered data succeeded procmail: [4582] Tue Jan 20 16:01:05 2004 procmail: Unlocking "hamlock" procmail: No match on "^X-Spambayes-Classification: spam" procmail: No match on "^X-Spambayes-Classification: unsure" [...] Something quite different happened, but not what I wanted though :) Do you know what might be happening? Thanks alot, Arnfinn Aas Eielsen From skip at pobox.com Tue Jan 20 10:31:02 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue Jan 20 10:31:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Need help setting up spambayes with procmail In-Reply-To: References: <16397.15013.693057.954682@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <16397.18870.149052.996308@montanaro.dyndns.org> Arnfinn> procmail: Executing Arnfinn> "/home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/python,/home/homes/ei/eielsen/bi Arnfinn> n/sb_filter.py" Arnfinn> /home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/python: syntax error at line 1: `(' unexpected That doesn't look right either. Something's clearly not right with sb_filter.py. Can you mail it to me for a look-see? Skip From papaDoc at videotron.ca Tue Jan 20 10:35:25 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Tue Jan 20 10:35:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Need help setting up spambayes with procmail In-Reply-To: References: <16397.15013.693057.954682@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <400D4ABD.9050907@videotron.ca> Hi, > Hi > Thanks alot for answering to my mail. No problem. Can you send us the first 10 to 20 lines of sb_filter.py ? >And got this log: > > >procmail: Executing >"/home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/python,/home/homes/ei/eielsen/bi >n/sb_filter.py" >/home/homes/ei/eielsen/bin/python: syntax error at line 1: `(' unexpected > > >Something quite different happened, but not what I wanted though :) >Do you know what might be happening? > >Thanks alot, >Arnfinn Aas Eielsen > > > > Remi -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Email From jfox at ambientalert.com Tue Jan 20 11:20:24 2004 From: jfox at ambientalert.com (Jenni Fox) Date: Tue Jan 20 11:32:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Error message - help Message-ID: <67DA97F44EF3D642BE6D84FCD14E18E209B7BC@server.ambient.corp> Windows XP SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.81 Each time I restart my computer and Outlook - I receive an error message saying: (please see attached) There was an error initializing the Spam plugin. Spam filtering has been disabled. Please re-configure and re-enable this plugin. Error details: Could not watch the specified folders. It does seem to remember my filtering options, but I have to go in to the SpamBayes manager and enable each time I open Outlook. Please help. Thank you, Jenni Fox Assistant Administrator Ambient Control Systems, Inc. 1810 Gillespie Way, Ste. 210 El Cajon, CA 92020 t. +1.619.562.5411 f. +1.619.562.8081 jfox@ambientalert.com DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it contain confidential and proprietary information and is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please return the e-mail to the sender and delete it from your computer and you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. The contents of this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may have been changed or altered without the consent of the author. 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I've downloaded/reloaded the software from your site with not luck in correcting the problem. Any suggestions? Jace E. Davis Marketing & Business Development Manager AMX International 200 S. Woodruff Ave. Idaho Falls, ID 83401 Direct: 208.542.8230 mailto:jace.davis@amxinc.com www.amxinc.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040120/3a5716f2/attachment.html From Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com Tue Jan 20 14:31:44 2004 From: Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com (Robert Mezzone) Date: Tue Jan 20 14:31:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] HELP Message-ID: <1254A68F4903D411B24800508B1220E9037A7F49@solomon1.pjsc.internal> Try "Help" About Microsoft Outlook" "Disabled Items". If SpamBayes is disabled, enable it and restart Outlook. _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Jace Davis Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:30 PM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] HELP I love your program. I loaded the Outlook Addin a few months ago and I can't believe how much time it has saved me. Thanks for developing this tool. Question: I just loaded the latest Outlook patches for security reasons. Mandatory action directed by my company's IT department. However, Spambayes does not work now. Problems include: * The buttons are shown on the tool bar, but do not take any action when clicked on. * Filtering is not taking place. All spam is now staying in my in box and not moving to suspects or spam folder. * Since the buttons aren't recognizing the mouse, I can't grab the management options in the pull down to check settings. I've downloaded/reloaded the software from your site with not luck in correcting the problem. Any suggestions? Jace E. Davis Marketing & Business Development Manager AMX International 200 S. Woodruff Ave. Idaho Falls, ID 83401 Direct: 208.542.8230 mailto:jace.davis@amxinc.com www.amxinc.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040120/a4d91ca6/attachment.html From CKornago at rrc.mb.ca Tue Jan 20 14:37:18 2004 From: CKornago at rrc.mb.ca (Carl Kornago) Date: Tue Jan 20 14:38:22 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000 XP 2003 Unattended or silent install Message-ID: <888968D682FA564293FCCD7484E575E3CF3ABC@mercury.rrc.mb.ca> Are there any switches for the outlook install executeable? Is there any way to install with a login script? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040120/ee29a054/attachment.html From tron at huapi.ba.ar Tue Jan 20 14:39:23 2004 From: tron at huapi.ba.ar (Carlos G Mendioroz) Date: Tue Jan 20 14:40:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Site server revisited... Message-ID: <400D83EB.1080207@huapi.ba.ar> In reviewing the way to implement a site wide spam marking scheme based on a global (site) spambayes server. I was pointed (rightly) to sb_xmlrpcserver.py (and sb_client.py) as an alternative to the high cost of repeated instantiation of sb_filter. But.. it seems that the concurrent access of sb_xmlrpcserver.py and some trainer interface (be it sb_filter or some other) to the DB is not designed for (noted by Jeff Epler too). It seems to me that adding the train capability to xmlrpcserver.py would be the way to go, security issues taken care of. Comments ? -- Carlos G Mendioroz LW7 EQI Argentina From rmalayter at bai.org Tue Jan 20 15:25:13 2004 From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter) Date: Tue Jan 20 15:25:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000 XP 2003 Unattended or silent install Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A01A75859@cliff.bai.org> [Carl Kornago] > Is there any way to install with a login script? Try the MSI package editor (WinInstall LE) that comes on the Windows 2000 server CDs. This utility can make a "snapshot" image of any software installation (including SpamBayes) into a Micrsosoft Windows Installer packase (.MSI file). You can then deploy the MSI file through login scripts, Windows domain group polcies, or even SMS. You should probably take your snapshot after initial installation, but before user training. Also, eliminate any registry keys that aren't needed from the package (the random number seed always seems to show up in each package). Regards, Ryan From kennypitt at hotmail.com Tue Jan 20 15:27:00 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Tue Jan 20 15:27:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Error message - help In-Reply-To: <67DA97F44EF3D642BE6D84FCD14E18E209B7BC@server.ambient.corp> Message-ID: Logfiles are always helpful in diagnosing problems. See SpamBayes / Help / Troubleshooting Guide for info on finding them. As an initial guess, "Could not watch the specified folders" usually indicates that one of the folders that you had configured has been deleted. Check the Filtering tab to see if it shows any folders as something like "". You can check FAQ 3.13 for a little more detail on this. http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam -folder -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Jenni Fox Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 11:20 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Error message - help Windows XP SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.81 Each time I restart my computer and Outlook - I receive an error message saying: (please see attached) There was an error initializing the Spam plugin. Spam filtering has been disabled. Please re-configure and re-enable this plugin. Error details: Could not watch the specified folders. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040120/e32cb7d9/attachment-0001.html From frank at baylin.com Tue Jan 20 15:38:34 2004 From: frank at baylin.com (Frank Baylin) Date: Tue Jan 20 15:38:24 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Is is possible to... Message-ID: Hi: I am thoroughly pleased with your product that I have discovered via PC Magazine. Thanks. One thought. Is is worthwhile, in terms of making life difficult for spammers, to have the option to return a junk E-mail to those who are sending the spam? I'd like to spread the suffering back to those who are causing most of it. Regards, Frank Baylin Boulder, Colorado From papaDoc at videotron.ca Tue Jan 20 15:50:05 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Tue Jan 20 15:55:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Is is possible to... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <400D947D.6070806@videotron.ca> Hi, >One thought. Is is worthwhile, in terms of making life difficult for >spammers, to have the option to return a junk E-mail to those who are >sending the spam? I'd like to spread the suffering back to those who are >causing most of it. > > See the FAQ http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-can-t-i-bounce-spam-back-to-the-sender Remi -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Email From kennypitt at hotmail.com Tue Jan 20 16:23:41 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Tue Jan 20 16:24:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Is is possible to... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Frank Baylin wrote: > One thought. Is is worthwhile, in terms of making life difficult for > spammers, to have the option to return a junk E-mail to those who are > sending the spam? I'd like to spread the suffering back to those who > are causing most of it. Unfortunately, the spammers are not the ones who are likely to suffer from such a scheme. See FAQ 6.5: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-can-t-i-bounce-spam-back-t o-the-sender -- Kenny Pitt From Jonas.Schwartz at disney.com Tue Jan 20 19:06:34 2004 From: Jonas.Schwartz at disney.com (Schwartz, Jonas) Date: Tue Jan 20 19:06:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Hello Spambayes Message-ID: I'm testing out spambayes for my users and i have a question. For my users who have blackberries, will they have to be logged into their outlook at the office at all times for spambayes to capture all the spam? When Outlook is turned off, will the users get all their messages? please let me know so i know what to tell my users. jds Jonas Schwartz jonas.schwartz@disney.com 818 560 3332 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040120/b57ee350/attachment.html From Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com Tue Jan 20 19:17:03 2004 From: Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com (Robert Mezzone) Date: Tue Jan 20 19:17:09 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Hello Spambayes Message-ID: <1254A68F4903D411B24800508B1220E9037A7F4D@solomon1.pjsc.internal> Yes, tell them to leave Outlook running and lock their workstations. That's what I did. Robert -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org To: spambayes@python.org Sent: Tue Jan 20 19:06:34 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Hello Spambayes I'm testing out spambayes for my users and i have a question. For my users who have blackberries, will they have to be logged into their outlook at the office at all times for spambayes to capture all the spam? When Outlook is turned off, will the users get all their messages? please let me know so i know what to tell my users. jds Jonas Schwartz jonas.schwartz@disney.com 818 560 3332 From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Jan 20 20:36:50 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Jan 20 20:37:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Site server revisited... In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304BA3B2A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677856@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > It seems to me that adding the train capability to > xmlrpcserver.py would be the way to go, security issues taken > care of. Comments ? Feel free to do this, and please consider submitting a patch (via the sourceforge system if you do so. You're correct in noting that the db backend is not really designed for concurrent access, although I suspect that the sql-based backends would probably handle this ok (the implementation is only really there as an example, though, and I'm not sure anyone uses it). In any case, putting training into xmlrpcserver.py would make sense, to me at least. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Jan 20 20:43:09 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Jan 20 20:43:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam field does not get populated In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304BA3AEF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677857@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I've downloaded spambayes from here... > http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/downloads/SpamBayes-Setup-Experimen tal-01.exe You could try using the 008.1 version, in case this is a problem with the experimental version, but I suspect that is not the case. > But even after training the spam field does not get populated. Nor do > spam messages automatically move to the spam folder. > I'm using Oracle's outlook connector in association with MS Outlook to > read email. I suspect that this is the problem. The log file has this: """ Folder 'Oracle - rajul.surana/IPM/Inbox' has no field named 'Spam' - creating WARNING: We just created the user field in folder Oracle - rajul.surana/IPM/Inbox, but it appears to not exist. Something is probably wrong with DoesFolderHaveOutlookField() """ Do you have the ability to create folders that don't use the Oracle connector? If so, you could confirm this by creating three (one for incoming mail, one for unsures and one for spam) and try testing spambayes with those. If that works, then for the moment, the only solution would be to do this, if it can be made to fit with your setup (for example, have mail arrive into this non-Oracle folder, be filtered, and then move it to the Oracle one). For the longer term, if you do confirm that this is the problem, please open a bug report via sourceforge with all the details (including the log) that you included in your message, and hopefully Mark (or someone else) will be able to come up with a solution. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Jan 20 20:44:32 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Jan 20 20:45:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes problem In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304BA3AFC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677858@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Hi, after I try to uninstall spambayes, the problem occurs. > It does not work any more even I reinstall it. When I click > DELETE as Spam, there are no any response from my system. Try checking to see if it has been disabled. If you're using Outlook in English, then this is in the Help menu, under "About Microsoft Outlook", and then via the "Disabled Items" button. I'm not sure what this would be if you're using Outlook in Chinese, though, sorry. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Jan 20 20:52:07 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Jan 20 20:52:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: continual training In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304BA3664@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677859@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Does SB continually train itself after it is installed, or do > I need to tell it to train every so often? SpamBayes doesn't do any training by itself. Whether or not you need to tell it to train depends on how well it's doing, of course, but you probably will. Note that the Outlook plug-in has "incremental training" options which perform training by moving messages into or out of the spam folder (definitely) & watched folders (IIRC). Note also that 'mistake based training' - i.e. training on false positives, false negatives and unsures - seems to work quite well for most people, so if you just use the "Delete as Spam" and "Recover from Spam" buttons, that should be all the training you need. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From kjje12jn7h at mailblocks.com Tue Jan 20 18:52:39 2004 From: kjje12jn7h at mailblocks.com (Bertie Grimes) Date: Wed Jan 21 00:55:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] $5.95 domains are here! bxf y Message-ID: <62nq1-cz-id9j837-0n7r0jrr9--xk@2j9czqw.n.do> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040120/920c9843/attachment.html From jepler at unpythonic.net Wed Jan 21 08:38:37 2004 From: jepler at unpythonic.net (Jeff Epler) Date: Wed Jan 21 08:39:06 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Site server revisited... In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677856@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304BA3B2A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677856@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <20040121133837.GA18498@unpythonic.net> On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 02:36:50PM +1300, Tony Meyer wrote: > > It seems to me that adding the train capability to > > xmlrpcserver.py would be the way to go, security issues taken > > care of. Comments ? > > Feel free to do this, and please consider submitting a patch (via the > sourceforge system if you do so. Last night I tossed this together and put it on SF "Train via sb_xmlrpcserver" http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=881056&group_id=61702&atid=498105 From aholland at valdosta.edu Wed Jan 21 10:13:58 2004 From: aholland at valdosta.edu (Ann Holland) Date: Wed Jan 21 10:14:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] deleted Junk mail folder in Outlook Message-ID: <000001c3e031$31bdfda0$f58612a8@vo42289> I didn't mean to, but I deleted it. How do I get it back? I don't even remember the exact name of it. I still have the suspects folder. Ann Holland Support Specialist III Information Technology Valdosta State University -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How do I get it back? I don't even > remember the exact name of it. > I still have the suspects folder. > > Ann Holland > Support Specialist III > Information Technology > Valdosta State University > << File: ATT39652.txt >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040121/84ecb52a/attachment.html From dawn.wesolek at i3t.org Wed Jan 21 10:24:25 2004 From: dawn.wesolek at i3t.org (Dawn Wesolek) Date: Wed Jan 21 10:24:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes: sponsorship accepted! Message-ID: <1662160.1074698665306.JavaMail.jboss@p15135617.pureserver.info> Dear SpamBayes team, Congratulations, your project "SpamBayes" has been accepted for the I3T Award for Software Excellence. This is what our sponsorship panel had to say about it: "An intelligent solution to a difficult problem. I doubt whether Thomas Bayes could ever have imagined that his work would be employed in such an interesting manner back in the 18th century. Congratulations on the award." What this means for you and your project: o You are now entitled to display the I3T Award for Software Excellence emblem on your web-site. o You will receive funds every time the institute recruits a member who joins after clicking our emblem on your page. This is typically 20% of their first membership payment, which amounts to a massive $20 in most cases. o You will be listed on I3T's list of sponsored projects. This should bring greater exposure to your project. o Best of all, up to 3 members of your team can become sponsored members of the International Institute of Information Technologists. This entitles each of you to the qualification MIinstIT and the full benefits that being a member bring. This sponsorship is worth $99 a year for each member so your project effectively receives a further $297 of sponsorship per year. o If you choose to become members, we will be happy to set up a community in our members area for your project. In order to accept this award you need to make two simple steps: 1) Go to the following URL to set up your account. You need to do this so that we know where to send the cheques. http://i3t.org/sponsorship/activate.jsf?activationCode=698664928 2) Paste the following HTML fragment onto a prominent place on your web-site. This is the emblem which shows that your project has won the award: The I3T Award for Software Excellence And that's it. Every month, you will receive an email that will let you know how much funds you will receive, and a cheque will be dispatched in the post. You can also check up over the internet at any time to see how much you have been awarded so far for the current month. The URL is: http://i3t.org/sponsorship If you have any comments or queries, I'll be happy to hear from you. Best wishes, Dawn C. Wesolek, I3T - Sponsorship awards From sthompson at puliz.com Wed Jan 21 10:45:17 2004 From: sthompson at puliz.com (Scott Thompson) Date: Wed Jan 21 10:46:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Installing the POP3 Proxy Message-ID: <003101c3e035$91df39c0$af01a8c0@pmscor02> I am having trouble installing the software for Spambayes. I have installed Python 2.3, but when I go to a command line this is the outcome: C:\Python23>python.exe d:\spambayes\spambayes\setup.py install running install running build running build_py error: package directory 'spambayes' does not exist C:\Python23> What could this mean? What am I doing wrong? Scott Thompson Information Systems Puliz Moving & Storage 775.322.7029 Internet: sthompson@puliz.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 5675 bytes Desc: image001.jpg Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040121/2dd7b837/attachment.jpe From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 21 12:27:54 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Seth Goodman) Date: Wed Jan 21 12:28:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] message that spambayes couldn't work with In-Reply-To: <000b01c3dd63$acbfaf10$6501a8c0@ANNA> Message-ID: I had one of these a while back. Since they only occur rarely, it would probably help the developers if you could enter it into the bug tracking system at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=498103&group_id=61702&func=browse and someone will pick it up and examine it. -- Seth Goodman non-spam replies to sethg [at] GoodmanAssociates [dot] com From kennypitt at hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 14:27:02 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Wed Jan 21 14:27:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] deleted Junk mail folder in Outlook In-Reply-To: <000001c3e031$31bdfda0$f58612a8@vo42289> Message-ID: Ann Holland wrote: > I didn't mean to, but I deleted it. How do I get it back? I don't > even remember the exact name of it. > I still have the suspects folder. Scheider, Jennifer D. wrote: > I have installed your program, but as I tried to delete (or empty) the > messages in the junk email folder, I accidently deleted the junk email > folder. How do I go about getting it back or do I need to re-install > the program. This is covered by FAQ 3.13: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam -folder -- Kenny Pitt From fredfredwin at yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 14:49:25 2004 From: fredfredwin at yahoo.com (fred fredwin) Date: Wed Jan 21 14:49:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question with SpamBayes and Windows 95 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040121194925.28274.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the help. The work arounds however, were not successful. I used a nifty utility called registry depends (downloaded from microsoft.com, can't remember the link), which listed a required .dll file : ws2_32.dll, found on the Winsock 2.0 update for Windows 95. I installed that, and again, received the error unable to register spambayes_addin.dll file. Has anyone had any success being able to install spambayes outlook addin on a Windows 95 machine? Fred Fredwin IT Tech Kenny Pitt wrote: There have been several reports of this happening on other versions of Windows as well. There is an open bug on it here, where you will find some workarounds described that *might* work for you. or if that gets too mangled, The next release will use an entirely different method of registering, so hopefully this will no longer be a problem. -- Kenny Pitt --------------------------------- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of fred fredwin Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:01 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Question with SpamBayes and Windows 95 I am trying to run SpamBayes in Outlook 2000 on a Windows 95 and keep getting the "Unable to Register the spambayes_addin.dll" message. I have tried to manually register the dll (regsvr32) and all of the other suggestions without any luck. I have installed the Winsock 2.0 upgrade on the machine, and I still cannot install that dll. Does anybody have any suggestions? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040121/b4d2d52d/attachment.html From Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com Wed Jan 21 15:37:22 2004 From: Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com (Robert Mezzone) Date: Wed Jan 21 15:38:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Possible Bug Message-ID: <1254A68F4903D411B24800508B1220E9037A7F60@solomon1.pjsc.internal> I noticed the following. I have SpamBayes installed on my PC running Outlook 2003 and Exchange 5.5. If I log on to my computer with another persons username and password, the first time I start outlook the SpamBayes configuration wizard runs as it should. I click cancel on the first screen. A Junk-Email folder is created in the persons personal mailbox. It doesn't get removed unless you manually delete it. It does not create a junk suspects folder. Is this a bug or feature? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040121/dcf01261/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 21 16:33:33 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 21 16:33:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] junk email folder In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304BA3D24@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677864@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have installed your program, but as I tried to delete > (or empty) the messages in the junk email folder, I > accidently deleted the junk email folder. How do I go > about getting it back or do I need to re-install the program. This is covered by FAQ 3.13: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 21 16:32:47 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 21 16:34:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] help In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304BA3D1A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677863@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> I'm afraid we need a few more details than that... What doesn't work? How can we help? What error message do you get? What does the log file have? (etc). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Jon Murphy Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2004 5:11 a.m. To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] help From kennypitt at hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 17:27:34 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Wed Jan 21 17:28:25 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question with SpamBayes and Windows 95 In-Reply-To: <20040121194925.28274.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There was a recent discussion over on the developers' list regarding support for Win95. We've had very few reports either way on Win95 because there aren't very many people still running it, but the conclusion was reached that Win95 is not supported although you might get it to work if you are extremely lucky and the planets are properly aligned. <0.5 wink> I don't suppose you have the option of upgrading to Win98? -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: fred fredwin [mailto:fredfredwin@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:49 PM To: Kenny Pitt; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Question with SpamBayes and Windows 95 Thanks for the help. The work arounds however, were not successful. I used a nifty utility called registry depends (downloaded from microsoft.com, can't remember the link), which listed a required .dll file : ws2_32.dll, found on the Winsock 2.0 update for Windows 95. I installed that, and again, received the error unable to register spambayes_addin.dll file. Has anyone had any success being able to install spambayes outlook addin on a Windows 95 machine? Fred Fredwin IT Tech Kenny Pitt wrote: There have been several reports of this happening on other versions of Windows as well. There is an open bug on it here, where you will find some workarounds described that *might* work for you. &aid=807618&group_id=61702&atid=498103> or if that gets too mangled, The next release will use an entirely different method of registering, so hopefully this will no longer be a problem. -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of fred fredwin Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:01 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Question with SpamBayes and Windows 95 I am trying to run SpamBayes in Outlook 2000 on a Windows 95 and keep getting the "Unable to Register the spambayes_addin.dll" message. I have tried to manually register the dll (regsvr32) and all of the other suggestions without any luck. I have installed the Winsock 2.0 upgrade on the machine, and I still cannot install that dll. Does anybody have any suggestions? _____ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040121/eb8e7f96/attachment.html From dbracewell at caelo.com Wed Jan 21 19:53:14 2004 From: dbracewell at caelo.com (David Bracewell) Date: Wed Jan 21 19:48:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] delegate access subtelty Message-ID: <6BB1F59DE13B0D4AA7C9ACD73F6C75CA02B2D0@jupiter.caelo.org> If you are given delegate access on someone's exchange account, so you have the Exchange box listed in the Outlook pane, whenever a suspect email comes into THAT box, it is moved into the "Junk Suspects" folder of YOUR maibox. That is, Spambayes seems to act on all message stores in the Outlook folder pane. As far as delegated mailboxes are concerned, this may be good behaviour if, for instance, you are an exectuve secretary who wishes to winnow out the email of your boss. If, however, you wish to send out on behalf of the delegated mailbox, but do not wish to manipulate the delegated mailbox's Inbox it can be a bit dangerous. In my case, I have an individual mailbox, but also have the Support person's mailbox in my Outlook folder pane. I think what happens is that Spambayes takes suspects from HIS box and puts them in my Junk Suspects folder in my Exchange Mailbox. If, as is sometimes the case, the email is not Spam, I need to restore it to his Mailboxes Inbox. This is a layer I just don't need. Is there some way of limiting Spambayes to particular message stores? Your product is great, by the way. David Bracewell Caelo Software. From jesus at correo.insp.mx Wed Jan 21 20:08:48 2004 From: jesus at correo.insp.mx (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jesus__JRM=2E_Rojas_Mart=EDnez?=) Date: Wed Jan 21 20:08:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] about system wide configuration Message-ID: <7694E937E45B3A488EA74D6F20E0948C25A293@exchange.insp.mx> We have tested SB for individual use, but how we can install it for using at a system wide with Procmail+Sendmail and learning for all my users? We have read the FAQ about the suggestion of not using for the diversity of topics of interest for each user, we want to block all the spam as possible. Any comments are welcome Alex & Jesus alex@insp.mx From sourceforge at metrak.com Thu Jan 22 04:59:32 2004 From: sourceforge at metrak.com (sosman) Date: Thu Jan 22 04:59:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] exception parsing spam Message-ID: <400F9F04.7060705@metrak.com> I don't know if you have seen this one: ... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: X-Spambayes-Exception: Traceback (most recent call last): . File "C:\usr\Python23\Scripts\sb_server.py", line 442, in onRetr . msg.setPayload(messageText) . File "C:\usr\spambayes\spambayes\message.py", line 232, in setPayload . prs._parsebody(self, fp) . File "C:\usr\Python23\lib\email\Parser.py", line 245, in _parsebody . raise Errors.BoundaryError( .BoundaryError: multipart message with no defined boundary



















































zka gs rurmt muafoewzuwtnnt ------- From adam at hackingspam.com Thu Jan 22 06:07:20 2004 From: adam at hackingspam.com (Adam Boettiger) Date: Thu Jan 22 06:07:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Karma Message-ID: I run the blog and web boards at http://www.hackingspam.com/ Earlier today someone mentioned your program to me as I had not heard of it, and I was voicing my frustrations with commercial bayesian filter programs. I have installed your program and thus far really like it. I also own an online advertising and marketing agency and would like to help you in any way I can in marketing the program - either via grassroots campaign, responsible advertising efforts online or what have you. Please visit the blog at http://www.hackingspam.com/ and boards are accessed via the left column link. I've added a link to SpamBayes under the Resources Software section of our boards. Please contact me if I can help you promote the product online, improve the look and feel of the site related to the project (I also code) or help with providing feedback on how it might be best to get the word out. Thx AB -- Adam Boettiger, President I-Advertising - http://www.i-advertising.com Phone: (503) 925-8434 * Fax: (503) 217-6228 Mobile: (503) 329-0616 * Email: ab@i-advertising.com Portland, Oregon Interactive Advertising & Marketing Since 1996 Am I online right now? Check here for IM status indicators: http://www.i-advertising.com/about/contact.html * * * * * * PLEASE NOTE: Time-urgent business (where a review, reply or action is requested or required within 24 hours) should be conducted by phone. If your matter is time-urgent or you need to reach me right away, please contact me by mobile phone at (503) 329-0616 or page me at (800) 217-5471. I can also be reached via IM on either AIM or ICQ. AIM: AdamJBoettiger ICQ: 67425502 Thank you. From anthony at interlink.com.au Thu Jan 22 07:51:17 2004 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Thu Jan 22 07:51:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Karma In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040122125117.D1C9C25ADD5@bonanza.off.ekorp.com> >>> "Adam Boettiger" wrote > I also own an online advertising and marketing agency and would > like to help you in any way I can in marketing the program - > either via grassroots campaign, responsible advertising efforts > online or what have you. Well, this is an open-source project - we're doing it for the joy of cleaning up our own mailboxes. If this helps other people too, well, then, that's a bonus. As far as advertising SB - feel free to go crazy, but please don't spam me advertising it. More seriously - the spambayes project channels all donations and the like to the Python Software Foundation - if you feel like making a donation, that'd be great. If you're looking for ways to help the SB project, feel free to look over the website and suggest improvements. I wrote a large chunk of the text there, and I know it could "sell" the software better - I'm just a humble software geek. Anthony -- Anthony Baxter It's never too late to have a happy childhood. From PStracko at iwaweb.com Thu Jan 22 09:26:20 2004 From: PStracko at iwaweb.com (Stracko, Pat) Date: Thu Jan 22 09:28:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Disabled? Message-ID: <42ABA2112DBBE5489064D3BDB078EE9F4E5E@iwaea06.iwa.com> I was having trouble determining why my installation of SpamBayes was not working: 1. Uninstalled and reinstalled. 2. Removed all registry keys 3. Reinstalled outlook 2002 Nothing worked. Then I looked at the Help/About for Outlook 2002 and found a button there that read "Disabled Items" and lo and behold, SpamBayes was Disabled. How can this become disabled? This seemed to coincide with a recent Update installation from Microsoft but I have no idea how that might cause this software to become disabled. After I re-enabled it, everything was back to normal and Spambayes resumed its wonderful activity. Thought you might benefit or be interested in this discovery. Thanks for developing this product. I love it! Regards, Patrick Stracko IWA 610 Uhler Road Easton, PA 18040 610-258-9143 ext 275 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040122/bfb009d0/attachment.html From Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com Thu Jan 22 09:36:38 2004 From: Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com (Robert Mezzone) Date: Thu Jan 22 09:36:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] delegate access subtelty Message-ID: <1254A68F4903D411B24800508B1220E9037A7F67@solomon1.pjsc.internal> It should not work the way you describe, at least it doesn't in our environment with Exchange 5.5 and Outlook XP and Outlook 2003. I did have a similar problem after one of the admins who hosed her SpamBayes installation. It would move the Spam from her bosses Inbox to her Spam folder. Try this to fix it. SpamBayes Manager, Filtering Tab, Click the Browse button next to "Filter the following folders as messages arrive". Click Clear All, Select only your Inbox. Hth. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of David Bracewell Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:53 PM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] delegate access subtelty If you are given delegate access on someone's exchange account, so you have the Exchange box listed in the Outlook pane, whenever a suspect email comes into THAT box, it is moved into the "Junk Suspects" folder of YOUR maibox. That is, Spambayes seems to act on all message stores in the Outlook folder pane. As far as delegated mailboxes are concerned, this may be good behaviour if, for instance, you are an exectuve secretary who wishes to winnow out the email of your boss. If, however, you wish to send out on behalf of the delegated mailbox, but do not wish to manipulate the delegated mailbox's Inbox it can be a bit dangerous. In my case, I have an individual mailbox, but also have the Support person's mailbox in my Outlook folder pane. I think what happens is that Spambayes takes suspects from HIS box and puts them in my Junk Suspects folder in my Exchange Mailbox. If, as is sometimes the case, the email is not Spam, I need to restore it to his Mailboxes Inbox. This is a layer I just don't need. Is there some way of limiting Spambayes to particular message stores? Your product is great, by the way. David Bracewell Caelo Software. _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From sthompson at puliz.com Thu Jan 22 10:07:41 2004 From: sthompson at puliz.com (Scott Thompson) Date: Thu Jan 22 10:08:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Installing the POP3 Proxy Message-ID: <002a01c3e0f9$7bc56b40$af01a8c0@pmscor02> I am having trouble installing the software for Spambayes. I have installed Python 2.3, but when I go to a command line this is the outcome: C:\Python23>python.exe d:\spambayes\spambayes\setup.py install running install running build running build_py error: package directory 'spambayes' does not exist C:\Python23> What could this mean? What am I doing wrong? Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040122/0569baf5/attachment.html From kennypitt at hotmail.com Thu Jan 22 10:34:39 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Thu Jan 22 10:35:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Disabled? In-Reply-To: <42ABA2112DBBE5489064D3BDB078EE9F4E5E@iwaea06.iwa.com> Message-ID: The "Disabled Items" is Outlook's way of "protecting" the user from plug-ins that are causing problems in Outlook. It's unfortunate that Microsoft chose to bury it in such a non-intuitive location. The procedure for re-enabling the add-in is described in the SpamBayes Troubleshooting Guide. If an Outlook add-in generates any kind of exception or fault, Outlook will disable it. It appears, although I can't confirm this for sure, that some Microsoft updates will also disable any plug-ins that are not recognized as known to be "safe". -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Stracko, Pat Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:26 AM To: 'spambayes@python.org' Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Disabled? Then I looked at the Help/About for Outlook 2002 and found a button there that read "Disabled Items" and lo and behold, SpamBayes was Disabled. How can this become disabled? This seemed to coincide with a recent Update installation from Microsoft but I have no idea how that might cause this software to become disabled. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040122/0e234f82/attachment.html From BSchreurs at iss-md.com Thu Jan 22 11:06:01 2004 From: BSchreurs at iss-md.com (Schreurs, Blake) Date: Thu Jan 22 11:06:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Idea for defeating literary exerpts in spam Message-ID: <57D812305A4F304CBBDE34365DED73D4F38D87@isshq-svr01.gaithersburg.iss-md.com> Hey Spambayes folks, I've been using spambayes for quite a while now. I have to congratulate you on a job very well done! Recently, more spam has been making it into my inbox. In all cases, this has been spam that has either literary text, or random text at the bottom of the message. I noticed a couple trends that might help you defeat this. First, the word garbage is always at the END of the message. They want to get their sales pitch in first (Spam with garbage at the top would be useless). Second, the word density of the text at the end of the message is always higher than the sales payload itself. Third, the anti-baysian text is always separated from the sales payload by one or more blank spaces. With these ideas in mind, I think it may be possible to separate the payload from the anti-baysian portions of the message. For example, you could weight a message for the entire message, and weight the same message without the last significant paragraph. It would be interesting to see what kind of differing results you would get. For example, in this message, you'd ignore my name and corporate information. Not much of a loss, really. The only problem I see are messages with no text payload (relies on an image for payload). I'm still not sure what to do about these. Blake A. Schreurs Webmaster & Systems Engineer Information Systems Support, Inc. 13 Firstfield Road, Suite 100 Gaithersburg, Maryland 20878 (301) 896-0500 ext. 110 (301) 890-0760 (fax) bschreurs@iss-md.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Whether or not incredimail supports this is not at all clear to me. -- Vous exprimer; Expr?sese; Te stesso esprimere; Express yourself! Tim Stone From jbackus1 at pacbell.net Thu Jan 22 18:11:37 2004 From: jbackus1 at pacbell.net (John Backus) Date: Thu Jan 22 18:18:07 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Eudora Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040122150124.01bc93e8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040122/19adc968/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jan 22 18:43:53 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jan 22 18:44:09 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Eudora In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304BA417B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677874@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Eudora, for example, has one important feature that > Outlook lacks: with it, you can send mail to a group > without revealing the entire mailing list to every recipient. Just put the mailing list in the bcc field, and there you go. > So I'm pleading with you guys to come up with a plug-in > for Eudora 6 (whose spam filter is not nearly as good > as SpamBayes). This shouldn't be that difficult, but it would be a lot of work. Various people have mentioned it at times, but no-one (AFAIK) has actually started work on one). Most people seem pretty happy using sb_server with Eudora, anyway - is there any reason why that's not good enough? > And congratulations on a great piece of work! Thanks :) =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jan 22 20:12:22 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jan 22 20:12:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Eudora In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304BA419D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677877@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Thanks for your fast reply. I don't understand the > reference to "sb server" (you don't understand the > depths of my ignorance!) but I'd be glad to give it a > try if you'll give me a starting reference. As well as the Outlook plug-in, the SpamBayes project includes a number of other tools. One of these, called sb_server, is (among other things) a POP3 proxy, so it sits between your POP3 server and your mail application (pretty much *any* pop3 mail application) and inserts a classification header that you can use to filter the mail with. That's probably not all that clear of an explanation, but the website and faq have much more, as does the readme if you download the source package. At the moment, you need to install python to use sb_server, but there is a binary version in the works. (Actually, with a little bit of digging (hint, search for "Hammond SpamBayes experimental") you can find an experimental binary version, which should work fine). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From vlovich at hotmail.com Thu Jan 22 22:57:34 2004 From: vlovich at hotmail.com (FaTAl ErRor) Date: Thu Jan 22 22:57:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Migrating from Outlook plugin to pop3proxy Message-ID: Is there a way to import the training data collected from the outlook plugin into the pop3proxy? They seem to use a different format for storing filtering information. I read the faq and all the documentation included. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jan 22 23:04:07 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jan 22 23:04:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Migrating from Outlook plugin to pop3proxy In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304BA41F3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467787F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Is there a way to import the training data collected from the > outlook plugin into the pop3proxy? They seem to use a different > format for storing filtering information. They use the same format. Just point the option to the default_bayes_database.db file that the plug-in creates, and it'll work fine (I do this all the time). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Jan 23 00:20:49 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Jan 23 00:20:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] delegate access subtelty In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304BA3E4C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677880@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > If you are given delegate access on someone's exchange > account, so you have the Exchange box listed in the Outlook > pane, whenever a suspect email comes into THAT box, it is > moved into the "Junk Suspects" folder of YOUR maibox. That > is, Spambayes seems to act on all message stores in the > Outlook folder pane. SpamBayes acts on any message store that you tell it to. IIRC, by default, the config wizard selects all folders, in all stores, named "Inbox", but you can adjust this, if it's not correct. (On the "Filtering" tab of the Manager dialog). > Your product is great, by the way. Thanks :) =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Jan 23 00:22:07 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Jan 23 00:22:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Installing the POP3 Proxy In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304BA3D11@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677881@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I am having trouble installing the software for > Spambayes. I have installed Python 2.3, but when > I go to a command line this is the outcome: [...] > error: package directory 'spambayes' does not exist Did you definitely expand the archive correctly? In the same directory as the "setup.py" file, there should be another directory called "spambayes". Is that the case? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From mgingold at oceprinting.com Fri Jan 23 07:21:02 2004 From: mgingold at oceprinting.com (Gingold, Marc) Date: Fri Jan 23 07:15:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Error message Message-ID: <1091D1207C5B884088EE8B7A2492D97071A1A2@brsmtp01.oceprinting.com> I get a message "You must configure the "Spam Folder"" when I hit "Delete as Spam". What do I do? From kennypitt at hotmail.com Fri Jan 23 09:07:45 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Fri Jan 23 09:08:34 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Installing the POP3 Proxy In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677881@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Tony Meyer wrote: >> I am having trouble installing the software for >> Spambayes. I have installed Python 2.3, but when >> I go to a command line this is the outcome: [...] >> error: package directory 'spambayes' does not exist > > Did you definitely expand the archive correctly? In the same > directory as the "setup.py" file, there should be another directory > called "spambayes". Is that the case? You might also try executing "setup.py" from the directory where you extracted it instead of from your Python directory, which I believe is what the original question indicated. Many of the SpamBayes scripts have a lot of hocus pocus in them to determine the correct path to use when searching for other modules, but setup.py has none of that. If I'm not mistaken, you have to either include the directory where you extracted SpamBayes in your PYTHONPATH environment variable, or you have to make it the current directory before you run setup.py. -- Kenny Pitt From kennypitt at hotmail.com Fri Jan 23 09:13:55 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Fri Jan 23 09:15:01 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Error message In-Reply-To: <1091D1207C5B884088EE8B7A2492D97071A1A2@brsmtp01.oceprinting.com> Message-ID: Gingold, Marc wrote: > I get a message "You must configure the "Spam Folder"" when I hit > "Delete as Spam". > > What do I do? Did you try configuring the Spam folder? Seriously, this message occurs if SpamBayes either has no Spam folder configured or can't find the folder that was configured (such as if it was accidentally deleted). FAQ 3.13 covers the procedures for checking and reconfiguring your Spam folder. -- Kenny Pitt From kennypitt at hotmail.com Fri Jan 23 09:18:24 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Fri Jan 23 09:19:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Eudora In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677874@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Tony Meyer wrote: >> So I'm pleading with you guys to come up with a plug-in >> for Eudora 6 (whose spam filter is not nearly as good >> as SpamBayes). > > This shouldn't be that difficult, but it would be a lot of work. > Various people have mentioned it at times, but no-one (AFAIK) has > actually started work on one). Most people seem pretty happy using > sb_server with Eudora, anyway - is there any reason why that's not > good enough? A few months ago, Sean True was looking for beta testers for a Eudora 6 plugin based on SpamBayes. Don't know what the status of that was/is, or if he is still looking for interested parties, but the original post is here: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2003-October/008929.html -- Kenny Pitt From rowell at mindspring.com Fri Jan 23 09:37:14 2004 From: rowell at mindspring.com (Keith Rowell) Date: Fri Jan 23 09:37:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] feature request Message-ID: automatically send an "unsubscribe" email when designated "spam" I know most spam is from anonymous addresses, but those that are legit can be prevented from sending more in the future. Weak suggestion I know... keith rowell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040123/2c6e3649/attachment.html From sthompson at puliz.com Fri Jan 23 10:34:59 2004 From: sthompson at puliz.com (Scott Thompson) Date: Fri Jan 23 10:36:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Installing the POP3 Proxy In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677881@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <003701c3e1c6$76a64c10$af01a8c0@pmscor02> Yes, that is the case. I checked it out. Scott Thompson Information Systems Puliz Moving & Storage 775.322.7029 Internet: sthompson@puliz.com -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Tony Meyer Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:22 PM To: 'Scott Thompson'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Installing the POP3 Proxy > I am having trouble installing the software for > Spambayes. I have installed Python 2.3, but when > I go to a command line this is the outcome: [...] > error: package directory 'spambayes' does not exist Did you definitely expand the archive correctly? In the same directory as the "setup.py" file, there should be another directory called "spambayes". Is that the case? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From Vinh.Nguyen at statcan.ca Fri Jan 23 10:19:45 2004 From: Vinh.Nguyen at statcan.ca (Vinh.Nguyen@statcan.ca) Date: Fri Jan 23 10:43:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Error in spambyes version 0081 Message-ID: <6918F9C9D4ED1743B343481A10E16551092A8C@stcem02.statcan.ca> After I update the antispam software from version 002 to 0081, I got an error as the attachment when click on the delete as spam and I can't run the spam manager at all. Please help! Thanks Vinh <> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Though this is the same button that > > appears in spam folders, thus making the code simpler, in the unsure > > folder it should probably be called "Train as Good" or "Keep as Good". > > Locally, I've renamed mine simply "Spam" and "Not Spam". This also has > the nice side-effect of making the toolbar shorter. I re-colored my "spam" button red and my "not spam" button green. This allowed me to dispense with the text altogether. :^) Bob From skip at pobox.com Fri Jan 23 15:10:08 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri Jan 23 15:10:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] feature request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16401.32672.970914.5040@montanaro.dyndns.org> Keith> automatically send an "unsubscribe" email when designated "spam" Keith> I know most spam is from anonymous addresses, but those that are Keith> legit can be prevented from sending more in the future. That's kinda tough to do in general and not really within SpamBayes' domain. First, you have to recognize that there is an unsubscribe blurb in the mail. Second, you have to decide if you send a mail or poke a URL (and to where). Third, you have to format the mail properly or know if the page referenced by with the URL requires more typing and/or poking. Fourth, and perhaps most important, you have to only do this for legitimate notices, otherwise you'd just be validating your email address for a spammer. Skip From skip at pobox.com Fri Jan 23 18:12:57 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri Jan 23 18:13:06 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] VM hack to allow sorting by X-SpamBayes-Classification Message-ID: <16401.43641.428176.778857@montanaro.dyndns.org> With a little help from the good folks at gnu.emacs.vm.info I got a patch to sort messages in the VM mail reader by the X-Spambayes-Classification header. Blurb is on the Wiki: http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki Click MailerTricks. Skip From perl at rhesa.com Fri Jan 23 18:45:22 2004 From: perl at rhesa.com (Rhesa Rozendaal) Date: Fri Jan 23 18:45:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Corrupt database Message-ID: <4011B212.3030705@rhesa.com> I just saw a couple of spam mails pop up in my regular mail boxes, and found this in the headers: X-Spambayes-Exception: Traceback (most recent call last): . File "C:\Python23\Scripts\sb_server.py", line 439, in onRetr . msg.setId(state.getNewMessageName()) . File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", line 244, in setId . msginfoDB._getState(self) . File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", line 118, in _getState . (msg.c, msg.t) = self.db[msg.getId()] . File "C:\Python23\lib\shelve.py", line 118, in __getitem__ . f = StringIO(self.dict[key]) . File "C:\Python23\lib\bsddb\__init__.py", line 86, in __getitem__ . return self.db[key] .DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery') As you can see, I'm using sb_server.py for my filtering, version 1.0-a7. Running on W2K SP4. Can anyone tell me 1) how my db got corrupted 2) how I should run recovery 3) whether that will even fix the issue (seeing the .DBRunRecoveryError I suspect sb_server.py already tried it without success) 4) which database is corrupted, because I have a statistics_database.db and a message_info_database.db 5) how I can prevent it happening again Thanks in advance! Rhesa Rozendaal From jbackus1 at pacbell.net Fri Jan 23 19:35:17 2004 From: jbackus1 at pacbell.net (John Backus) Date: Fri Jan 23 19:35:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Eudora In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677877@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304BA419D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677877@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040123162513.01d2dec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040123/44a633cb/attachment.html From kts at knippa.com Sat Jan 24 00:23:51 2004 From: kts at knippa.com (KTS) Date: Sat Jan 24 00:23:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] concurrent filters Message-ID: Spambayes: Running Windows 2000 Professional and Office 2000 Professional. 1. Can the Spambayes Outlook Plug-in run concurrently with Outlook's Junk Mail filtering features? 2. If so, which applies first, Spambayes or the Outlook rules? Thanks, RK From wkc at comcast.net Sat Jan 24 10:58:54 2004 From: wkc at comcast.net (W. Kirk Crawford) Date: Sat Jan 24 10:58:22 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] After running setup.py my newsgroups have no new messages nor any messages. Message-ID: <000001c3e292$f80fe640$6401a8c0@kirk> Good day, I was pointed to your software to help with spam. I download "spambayes-1.0a7.zip", extracted the files and doubled clicked setup.py. Can't say that I saw anything happen but just afterwards I went to check my newsgroups. When they first appeared, and still loading, I saw messages like normal. After loading was complete NO messages appeared at all. Newsgroup are read using Outlook Express only. In you instructions you say, 'Note that if you simply want to disable the plug-in for a while, you can do this by unticking the "Enable SpamBayes" box on the front page of the "Manager" dialog.'. I can not find the "Manager" dialog box in Outlook. This is the only download that I have made this week. I think I am missing something. W. Kirk Crawford Rochester Hills, Michigan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 12/15/2003 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040124/c00752d4/attachment.html From FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Jan 24 12:47:33 2004 From: FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM (Elene) Date: Sat Jan 24 12:47:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Important information for you. Read it immediately ! Message-ID: <200401241747.i0OHlXge096297@mxzilla4.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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AKbxAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEBAABvAQAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACyVHoIAAEQADRENUE1MDAwMDJQ SwECFAAKAAAAAABWdv6ftRrZdtpDAADaQwAARwAAAAAAAAAAACAA /4EAAAAAbXlwaG90by5qcGcgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC5leGVQ SwUGAAAAAAEAAQB1AAAAP0QAAAAAAADo From ltrag at optonline.net Sat Jan 24 13:46:38 2004 From: ltrag at optonline.net (Lanny Trager) Date: Sat Jan 24 13:46:42 2004 Subject: URGENT: Re: [Spambayes] Important information for you. Read it immediately ! In-Reply-To: <200401241806.i0OI6pg0084101@mxzilla6.xs4all.nl> References: <200401241806.i0OI6pg0084101@mxzilla6.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <200401241346.38855.ltrag@optonline.net> On Saturday 24 January 2004 13:06, Elene wrote: >
Hi !

> Here is my photo, that you asked for yesterday.
This is a Trojan DO NOT OPEN! Here is the scoop on this: It's early on, but this new variant of Dumaru has potential as a ZIP spreading worm that installs a Trojan. Details below acquired from multiple sources: Dumaru.J, aka Capegold, Worm Spreading in the Wild: Dumaru.J is a new variant of the Dumaru worm that spreads via e-mail and installs a backdoor Trojan horse. At least one vendor has attributed the origin of this new Dumaru worm to Russia. E-mails sent by Dumaru.J have the following characteristics: From: Elene Subject: Hi Important information for you. Read it immediately ! Message: Hi Here is my photo, that you asked for yesterday Attachment: myphoto.zip (17,613 bytes) Note that when unzipped, myphoto.zip installs myphoto.jpg56 SPACES.exe (17,370 bytes). The MD5 value for myphoto.zip is 0a62594d6617fffe57aba9ebe5733998 while the MD5 value for the myphoto.jpg56 SPACES.exe file is 7b126cd0910619e998499a077ed8f108. More than 200 interceptions of the aforementioned e-mail have been discovered at the time of this writing. If Dumaru.J is executed, it attempts to create a copy of itself in the Windows System directory as both l32x.exe and vxd32v.exe. Dumaru.J attempts to save the file rundllx.sys in the Windows directory. Dumaru.J also attempts to save a copy of itself in the Windows Startup directory as dllxw.exe. Dumaru.J creates the file zip.tmp in the Windows Temp directory as a copy of the worm it e-mails to target addresses. The Windows registry is modified to run the Trojan upon Windows startup: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run load32=C:\WINDOWS SYSTEM DIRECTORY\l32x.exe Dumaru.J may also attempt to create the following registry key: HKLM\Software\SARS On Microsoft Corp. Windows NT/2000/XP/2003 computers, Dumaru.J attempts to modify the following registry key: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon Explorer.exe C:\WINDOWS SYSTEM DIRECTORY\vxd32v.exe The Dumaru.J worm also modifies the file system.ini to run the worm upon Windows startup: System.ini [boot] Shell=explorer.exe C:\WINDOWS SYSTEM DIRECTORY\vxd32v.exe Win.ini may also be modified by the worm to run itself upon Windows startup: [windows] run=%WinDir%\rundllx.sys Dumaru.J attempts to search for e-mail addresses in .abd, .dbx, .htm, .html, .tbb and .wab files. Once installed, Dumaru.J may listen on TCP port 10,000 for commands from a remote attacker. Once connected, an attacker is able to log keystrokes, capture clipboard information, modify local settings, perform file management, install additional malicious code and perform other malicious actions. Alias: Dumaru.J, Dumaru, W32/Capegold-mm, Capegold, Dumaru.Y, W32.Dumaru.Y@mm, W32/Dumaru.y@MM From FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Jan 24 14:44:21 2004 From: FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM (Elene) Date: Sat Jan 24 14:44:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Important information for you. Read it immediately ! Message-ID: <200401241944.i0OJiLv1049128@mxzilla3.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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AKbxAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEBAABvAQAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACyVHoIAAEQADRENUE1MDAwMDJQ SwECFAAKAAAAAABWdv6ftRrZdtpDAADaQwAARwAAAAAAAAAAACAA /4EAAAAAbXlwaG90by5qcGcgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC5leGVQ SwUGAAAAAAEAAQB1AAAAP0QAAAAAAADo From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Jan 24 21:08:38 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Jan 24 21:09:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] After running setup.py my newsgroups have no newmessages nor any messages. In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0ACE2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677882@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I download "spambayes-1.0a7.zip", extracted the files > and doubled clicked setup.py. This won't do anything at all. A good start (hopefully) is the README.txt file that's in that archive. It has instructions about how to install SpamBayes. Double-clicking setup.py won't do anything, because you have to pass "install" to it as a command line argument. Note, however, that since you're using Outlook, what you probably want is the binary installer for the Outlook plug-in - not the SpamBayes source archive that you downloaded. If you download this, and double-click it, you'll find yourself looking at a pretty regular Windows installer, and all should be well from there. > Can't say that I saw anything happen but just > afterwards I went to check my newsgroups. Note also that SpamBayes does not do any newsgroup filtering, unless you receive them via POP3. > After loading was complete NO messages appeared at all. Since you didn't actually install anything, it's certainly not anything that SpamBayes did . Did you make any other changes? > Newsgroup are read using Outlook Express only. If you want to use SpamBayes with Outlook Express, then you need to use sb_server, as explained in the readme (and FAQ and website). However, again, this isn't going to do anything for newsgroups. > In you instructions you say, 'Note that if you simply want to > disable the plug-in for a while, you can do this by unticking > the "Enable SpamBayes" box on the front page of the "Manager" > dialog.'. I can not find the "Manager" dialog box in Outlook. That's because you haven't installed the Outlook plug-in. You can use the "addin.py" file in the source archive to do this if you really want to, but I would highly recommend that you use the binary installer instead. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Jan 24 21:10:06 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Jan 24 21:10:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] concurrent filters In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0ACE0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677883@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > 1. Can the Spambayes Outlook Plug-in run concurrently with > Outlook's Junk Mail filtering features? Yes, but you're almost certainly going to be better off with just SpamBayes :) > 2. If so, which applies first, Spambayes or the Outlook rules? It's anyone's guess (up to Outlook), unless you enable the "background filtering" mode of SpamBayes (Advanced tab of the Manager dialog). This means that SpamBayes will definitely be last. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Jan 24 21:11:14 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Jan 24 21:11:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Eudora In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0ACDE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677884@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I already have a POP3 proxy (the Proxomitron to > filter out pop-ups); is there going to be a problem with two? There shouldn't be. Just put SpamBayes in there somewhere, either before or after Proxomitron (it shouldn't matter which). Obviously the port numbers in the instructions will be no good to you, though. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Jan 24 21:16:13 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Jan 24 21:16:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Corrupt database In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0ACDD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A65@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I just saw a couple of spam mails pop up in my regular mail > boxes, and found this in the headers: [...] > .DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, > run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery') [...] > Can anyone tell me > 1) how my db got corrupted Sadly, no. This is a problem that we're aware of, but are having a lot of trouble tracking down. We have made some improvements since the last release, so hopefully the next one (due soon) will either not have this problem, or will at least experience it less frequently. > 2) how I should run recovery You can't, sorry. It's an error message from the underlying bsddb database system and refers to a recovery program that isn't any use in the way in which we use it. The 'solution' is to train from scratch. > 4) which database is corrupted, because I have a > statistics_database.db > and a message_info_database.db It could be either, since both use the same system. The message_info_database.db is the less important one (especially with sb_server), so try deleting that first, and seeing if that solves the problem. If so, then all good, if not, you need to get rid of them both. > 5) how I can prevent it happening again The only certain way is to switch from using bsddb to a pickle instead (the FAQ has details about the pros and cons and how to do this). It *should* be a fairly uncommon experience, though - and if you can reproduce it regularly, we'd *love* to hear how. Note that you can backup the databases if you want to, and that SpamBayes should (re)learn very quickly. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Jan 24 21:17:04 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Jan 24 21:17:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Error in spambyes version 0081 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0ACD4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677886@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > After I update the antispam software from version 002 to > 0081, I got an error as the attachment when click on the > delete as spam and I can't run the spam manager at all. Try running "Detect and Repair" in Outlook. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From icem at totalzone.com Sat Jan 24 21:22:44 2004 From: icem at totalzone.com (icem) Date: Sat Jan 24 21:18:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Spambayes Digest, Vol 65, Issue 63 VIRUS!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1349673293.20040124202244@totalzone.com> Hello spambayes-request, avast! Antivirus: Inbound message INFECTED: () was (BEWARE!!!) left intact in the message. Virus Database (VPS): 1/24/04 Tested on: 1/24/04 8:17:53 PM avast! is copyright (c) 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com -- Best regards, icem TheBat!2.03.47 Beta antispam filter-BayesIt!0.4gm mailto:icem@totalzone.com --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. avast! Version 4.1 Professional Virus Database (VPS): 1/24/04 Tested on: 1/24/04 8:22:47 PM avast! is copyright (c) 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- From icem at totalzone.com Sat Jan 24 21:32:41 2004 From: icem at totalzone.com (icem) Date: Sat Jan 24 21:28:21 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Spambayes Digest, Vol 65, Issue 63 VIRUS/trojan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11410326342.20040124203241@totalzone.com> Hello ALL, avast! Antivirus: Inbound message INFECTED: () was (BEWARE!!!) left intact in the message. Virus Database (VPS): 1/24/04 Tested on: 1/24/04 8:17:53 PM avast! is copyright (c) 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com -- Best regards, icem TheBat!2.03.47 Beta antispam filter-BayesIt!0.4gm mailto:icem@totalzone.com --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. avast! Version 4.1 Professional Virus Database (VPS): 1/24/04 Tested on: 1/24/04 8:32:43 PM avast! is copyright (c) 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- From FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Jan 24 21:29:35 2004 From: FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM (Elene) Date: Sat Jan 24 21:29:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Important information for you. Read it immediately ! Message-ID: <200401250229.i0P2TZQp057960@mxzilla6.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Read it immediately ! In-Reply-To: <200401241346.38855.ltrag@optonline.net> Message-ID: >>
Hi !

>> Here is my photo, that you asked for yesterday.
[ltrag@optonline.net] > This is a Trojan DO NOT OPEN! Of course people should never open any attachment they're not expecting. This isn't a moderated mailing list, so sometimes crap like that will appear on it. Don't be an idiot, and you'll be fine . From FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Jan 24 21:42:25 2004 From: FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM (Elene) Date: Sat Jan 24 21:42:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Important information for you. Read it immediately ! Message-ID: <200401250242.i0P2gPBm090101@mxzilla2.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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AKbxAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEBAABvAQAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACyVHoIAAEQADRENUE1MDAwMDJQ SwECFAAKAAAAAABWdv6ftRrZdtpDAADaQwAARwAAAAAAAAAAACAA /4EAAAAAbXlwaG90by5qcGcgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC5leGVQ SwUGAAAAAAEAAQB1AAAAP0QAAAAAAAAA From ltrag at optonline.net Sun Jan 25 02:39:44 2004 From: ltrag at optonline.net (Lanny Trager) Date: Sun Jan 25 02:39:50 2004 Subject: URGENT: Re: [Spambayes] Important information for you. Read it immediately ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401250239.44769.ltrag@optonline.net> On Saturday 24 January 2004 21:41, Tim Peters wrote: > >>
Hi !

> >> Here is my photo, that you asked for yesterday.
> > [ltrag@optonline.net] > > > This is a Trojan DO NOT OPEN! > > Of course people should never open any attachment they're not expecting. Five people who have this list's posting address have already done so. > > This isn't a moderated mailing list, so sometimes crap like that will > appear on it. Naturally. > Don't be an idiot, and you'll be fine . I'm not sure what in my post made you think that I'm an idiot. I'm pretty sure I'm on topic. I posted information about a Trojan currently spreading in the wild through e-mail, including fairly specific details about what it does to what parts of a system. Enough details to disinfect a system should the need arise. The Dumaru.J worm spreads itself via unsolicited, bulk, e-mail, that fits my definition of spam, spambayes filters spam, five people who have this lists posting address in their address books and most likely are subscribers have received and been infected by the Dumaru.J worm, surely you're not calling them idiots. I'm not worried about me, I'm worried about the five people who have already opened this file and gotten infected. I'm worried about the many people who may receive this file and in a inattentive, thoughtless, moment, not having been warned, open it. I'm worried about people who choose ignorance over education. I'd rather send a warning, than assume that everyone already knows. The fact that infected emails have reached this list I think is proof that everyone does not know. From jbackus1 at pacbell.net Sun Jan 25 03:10:29 2004 From: jbackus1 at pacbell.net (John Backus) Date: Sun Jan 25 03:10:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Eudora In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677884@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0ACDE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677884@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040124225625.01d0dec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040125/ecda3e67/attachment.html From edwind at xs4all.nl Sun Jan 25 05:28:17 2004 From: edwind at xs4all.nl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Edwin_Dorr=E9?=) Date: Sun Jan 25 05:28:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Thanks! Message-ID: <00c101c3e32d$f2651490$0b01a8c0@EDDIE> HI, I could kiss you guys! I love spambayes. I get about 140-180 spam mails each day and spambayes works perfectly. I do not know what to do without spambayes! Thanks again, Edwin From brown at terralign.com Sun Jan 25 11:00:23 2004 From: brown at terralign.com (Brown, Jim) Date: Sun Jan 25 11:03:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Outlook Fails to Move Mail Identified as Spam Message-ID: First, let me say that SpamBayes seems nearly perfect. I can't get over the accuracy with which it identifies spam. I'm having a problem with the SpamBayes Outlook client v0.81 that I can't figure out. Frequently, it fails to _move_ spam if the spam is the most recent email in the inbox at the time Outlook is started. Please note that SpamBayes does process the message and identify it as spam, it simply fails to move the message from the Inbox for some reason. This is a very specific failure. If Outlook is running when the spam arrives, it is always moved. If the spam isn't the most recent piece of mail in the inbox, it is always moved. The problem only occurs when Outlook is being opened and the most recent piece of mail in the inbox is spam. I have verified that the emails in question should have been moved by looking at the log. The log shows that the message was processed and identified as spam. Looking at the spam clues for the message, the message in question almost always has a 99%+ spam rating. I've enabled background filtering with a 10 s start delay and a 0.5 s processing delay. The email account being filtered resides on an Exchange server. All but one of the rules I'm using are server side rules, and cannot interfere with SpamBayes when Outlook is started; they've fired on the message well before Outlook knows the message exists. I do have _one_ rule that is client side. That rule is "Apply this rule after the message arrives: notify me using 'You have new messages.' except with 'yahoo.com' or 'aol.com' or 'hotmail.com' or 'msn.com' or 'pslgroup.com' or '.ca' or '.us' or '.de' or '.cc' or '.fr' or '.nl' in the sender's address." Any ideas? Thanks. ---Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040125/b88c1e86/attachment.html From brown at terralign.com Sun Jan 25 11:55:37 2004 From: brown at terralign.com (Brown, Jim) Date: Sun Jan 25 11:58:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion: Filtering Action for Ham in SpamBayes Outlook Message-ID: One feature that I'd really like to see in the SpamBayes Outlook client is a filtering action for ham. Outlook rules aren't sufficient because they may interfere with SpamBayes, unless SpamBayes is run in the background at which point there is no way for the Outlook rules to know if mail is ham or spam. In my case, all I want SpamBayes to do is notify me that I've received new ham in a manner similar to what Outlook does using the "Notify me of knew messages" rule. Variations might include using a tray icon or a small always-on-top notification window. There seem to be a number of users who want an alternative to the standard Outlook tray icon or new mail dialog because those two methods report both spam and ham. This would seem to address their request as well. Comments? Thanks. ---Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040125/7e2672f0/attachment.html From papaDoc at videotron.ca Sun Jan 25 12:51:30 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Sun Jan 25 12:51:42 2004 Subject: URGENT: Re: [Spambayes] Important information for you. Read it immediately ! In-Reply-To: <200401250239.44769.ltrag@optonline.net> References: <200401250239.44769.ltrag@optonline.net> Message-ID: <40140222.4040201@videotron.ca> Hi Lanny, >>>This is a Trojan DO NOT OPEN! >>> >>> >>Of course people should never open any attachment they're not expecting. >> >> > >Five people who have this list's posting address have already done so. > > " people should never open any attachment they're not expecting" This should be the rule "0" or any internet user . If you have user already infected. 1- You should educated them about the first rule. 2- If they can't follow the rule "0" then use a mail reader that won't open/execute a file when you click on it. (i.e don't use Outlook) > > >> Don't be an idiot, and you'll be fine . >> >> > >I'm not sure what in my post made you think that I'm an idiot. > I think we should say. "Be responsible and educated" >I posted information about a Trojan currently spreading >in the wild through e-mail, including fairly specific details about what it >does to what parts of a system. Enough details to disinfect a system should >the need arise. > > This is a nice from you. We appreciate the info, I'm sure, even if we don't personally need it. >I'm not worried about me, I'm worried about the five people who have already >opened this file and gotten infected. > Why did they open the file? They want to see a photo/picture of me ? I'm not sure ;-) >The fact >that infected emails have reached this list I think is proof that everyone >does not know. > > No, this is coming from the fact that we don't filter the mailing list since discussing about spam something makes email really spammy and we still want to see them. And lost of virus gram mailing list address and send virus to them. Remi -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Email From dontbotherworld at yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 15:23:49 2004 From: dontbotherworld at yahoo.com (dont bother) Date: Sun Jan 25 15:23:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Filter Based on Bayesian Techniques Message-ID: <20040125202349.50304.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> Hey, I have to implement a spam filter as a class project of Computer Security course. I was planning to make a spam filter based on Bayesian Techniques in python (only the core engine not the GUI). However I searched the web and found Spam Bayes already does that. I have read and understood Paul Grahams Paper "A Plan for Spam" and Gary Robinson's Paper "A Statistical Approach to Spam Problem". I have also read a couple of other papers which use techniques other than Bayesian for filters. I was wondering if anyone could guide/point me an interesting direction in Spam Filtering which may be new and I could implement as part of my course. For example: Any kind of performance evaluation etc. If nothing works, I am planning to go ahead and try building another spam filter on Bayesian Technique. This work would not be new but I would certainly learn something. In this case can someone point me to an architecture of the program and components, since I could not find any paper describing these. Any kind of advise/help is appreciated. Thanks Dont! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From matt at mondoinfo.com Sun Jan 25 16:25:56 2004 From: matt at mondoinfo.com (Matthew Dixon Cowles) Date: Sun Jan 25 16:26:33 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Filter Based on Bayesian Techniques In-Reply-To: <20040125202349.50304.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040125202349.50304.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1075064555.21.636@mint-julep.mondoinfo.com> > I was wondering if anyone could guide/point me an interesting > direction in Spam Filtering which may be new and I could implement > as part of my course. For example: Any kind of performance > evaluation etc. In my opinion, the most interesting way to improve SpamBayes would be to make it work well with web pages. There's some spam around these days that tries to evade filters like SpamBayes by containing only bland words and pointing to a web page that, presumably, contains the real advertisement. Something like: Hey, dude, check this out: http://www.example.com/ Various people have found that it's effective to retrieve and score web pages that are linked from emails that score in an "unsure" range, typically something like 0.2 to 0.8. That often works. But it's sometimes wrong and sometimes right for the wrong reason. I've only glanced at the data, but it seems that that's at least sometimes because web pages don't look all that much like emails and so scoring a web page against tokens from emails doesn't produce results that are as good as the algorithm is capable of. There are some interesting challenges: Where to get a supply of "hammy" web pages for the individual user How to store the tokens from the web pages so that a message can be re-classified since the pages are apt to change or disappear And, no doubt, any number of others Regards, Matt From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jan 25 17:15:51 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jan 25 17:16:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Filter Based on Bayesian Techniques In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0B12A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677888@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Various people have found that it's effective to > retrieve and score web pages that are linked from > emails that score in an "unsure" range, typically > something like 0.2 to 0.8. That often works. Note too, that various other people have found it ineffective :) > But it's sometimes wrong and sometimes right for > the wrong reason. I've only glanced at the data, > but it seems that that's at least sometimes because > web pages don't look all that much like emails and > so scoring a web page against tokens from emails > doesn't produce results that are as good as the > algorithm is capable of. In case the OP doesn't know - SpamBayes (CVS and the next release) has code for doing all of this that could be used as a starting point. In addition, any tokens from a web page can be prefixed with a given string ("www:", for example), which means that they are essentially stored in a separate, non-overlapping database. AFAIK, no-one has really done all that much in the way of proper testing with the SpamBayes version of this, so it's hard to know whether it helps much or not. (FWIW, I have the option on in my day-to-day filter, including the prefix, and including the option to reduce URLs down). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jan 25 17:20:11 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jan 25 17:21:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Filter Based on Bayesian Techniques In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0B110@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677889@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I was wondering if anyone could guide/point me an > interesting direction in Spam Filtering which may be > new and I could implement as part of my course. > For example: Any kind of performance evaluation etc. Is the focus on implementing, or testing? There's an almost limitless amount of testing that you could do just with SpamBayes, along with lots of scripts to give you meaningful (hopefully ) results. One thing you could consider (which is topical around here at the moment) is implementing forms of self-training, where the classifier trains itself, based on it's guesses. There's a heap of stuff in the archives (start with spambayes-dev) that could get you started. > In this case can someone point me to an > architecture of the program and components, since I could not > find any paper describing these. Well, since there are so many different SpamBayes applications, this would be pretty complicated. Basically, though, they all go along the lines of: 1. Get email as text, somehow. 2. Put this through Tokenizer.tokenize 3. Put the result of that through Classifier.spamprob That gives you your classification. To train, it's basically the same except step 3 is replaced with putting the result through Classifier.learn or Classifier.unlearn. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jan 25 17:31:13 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jan 25 17:31:22 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Eudora In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0B00A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A67@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Sorry to keep bothering you but I've followed the > directions you referred me to as far as I'm able: > 1) installed Python > 2) downloaded SpamBayes > I'm stuck trying to run "python setup.py install" > using Command Prompt. If I run it from the python > directory, it can't find the setup.py file. Kenny was right here (I missed that you were in the wrong directory), and you need to run it from the spambayes directory. > If I try running it from the spambayes directory it > can't find python. So you need to tell it where Python is. Either explicitly for that one command: "c:\python23\python.exe setup.py install", or put it in your PATH: "set PATH=%PATH%;c:\python23" "python.exe setup.py install". (Obviously, if you installed Python elsewhere, you'll need to modify those). > More generally, I don't know if you guys are really > interested in having a large set of users, but if you are, > it seems to me that you need to have MUCH more explicit, > detailed directions or a Windows install program. 1. This is pre-release software. I think that if you looked at alpha software in general, you would find that documentation and setup were the weakest points of the software. 2. It's expected that anyone that isn't capable of running a python script will want to use a Windows installer (i.e. *nix and Mac users are probably capable enough of doing that), and so there is one of those for them. The one that includes more than the Outlook plug-in (i.e. sb_server et al) is only an experimental build at the moment, but that's likely to change very soon, and IAC, the whole project is still pre-release. 3. The most successful open-source software (IMO) is that which somehow encourages people to submit improvements, including to the documentation. If the instructions are confusing, then what we need is for people that find them confusing to tell us what needs to be changed - explicitly - not just "they aren't detailed enough". We're the developers - we know how it works, and it's difficult to know exactly what a non-developer will have trouble with. 4. If you compare the documentation to the first 1.0a1 release, you'll see that it has improved, and will continue doing so. We are well aware that this is one of the biggest weaknesses - we explicitly say so all over the place, including in the documentation itself! Hopefully, by the time we get to a 1.0 release, it'll be adequate, if not better. > I'm supposed to have been a professional programmer > from 1950 to 1991, although I did precious little > actual programming. But I did lead the group that > produced Fortran in the 50s and another group developing > the functional programming language FP in the 80s. > And I've been using PCs since they existed. So it seems > like a bad omen for wide usage of SpamBayes if I have to > struggle for hours trying unsuccessfully to follow your > directions I'm sorry, but it seems an incredibly bad omen that you therefore don't know that to run a program it has to be on the PATH, or an absolute PATH given. Sure, many people won't, but those people would be expected to use an installer program, not run commands in a console environment. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From Kat_Cynde at gte.net Sun Jan 25 22:43:04 2004 From: Kat_Cynde at gte.net (FDIC) Date: Sun Jan 25 18:38:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Important News About Your Bank Account Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative From tim.one at comcast.net Sun Jan 25 20:04:51 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Sun Jan 25 20:04:54 2004 Subject: URGENT: Re: [Spambayes] Important information for you. Read itimmediately ! In-Reply-To: <200401250239.44769.ltrag@optonline.net> Message-ID: [Tim] >> Of course people should never open any attachment they're not >> expecting. [ltrag@optonline.net] > Five people who have this list's posting address have already done so. I expect that's actually a lower bound. ... >> Don't be an idiot, and you'll be fine . > I'm not sure what in my post made you think that I'm an idiot. I'm not writing specifically to you, I'm posting a reply to the spambayes mailing list. So I'll say it plainly for everyone again, but with more words: If you open an attachment you weren't expecting, you're an idiot. Don't be an idiot (i.e., don't open attachments you weren't expecting), and you'll be fine. "You" means everyone reading this msg, of course, not specifically and only you. > ... > five people who have this lists posting address in their address > books and most likely are subscribers It's a poorly written worm if it doesn't also search browser caches for targets. > have received and been infected by the Dumaru.J worm, surely you're > not calling them idiots. Anyone who opens an attachment they weren't expecting is an idiot, yes. This is akin to putting the barrel of a gun in your mouth and then pulling the trigger. Such people are also idiots -- or were . > I'm not worried about me, I'm worried about the five people who > have already opened this file and gotten infected. I'm worried about > the many people who may receive this file and in a inattentive, > thoughtless, moment, not having been warned, open it. I'm worried > about people who choose ignorance over education. Some people are educable, but some aren't. The advice not to open unsolicited attachments is so frequently and strongly given is so many contexts, that I'm afraid the only people who still do so are in fact idiots -- or extremely young, or extremely naive. I don't know why you'd imagine they'd believe you when they've ignored everyone else on the topic. Note that I didn't ask you *not* to post warnings. You're free to do so if you like. The bottom line is much simpler than analyzing each worm that comes along, though: don't be an idiot and you'll be fine . From patandjackie at cox.net Sun Jan 25 20:39:17 2004 From: patandjackie at cox.net (patandjackie) Date: Sun Jan 25 20:39:22 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: I just downloaded/installed spambayes, and accidentally deleted the folders for junk mail and junk suspects. How do I get them back? I have even deleted spambayes from my computer and re-downloaded it again and again. Nothing will change when I open my email. I don't see those folders again or nothing. I am using Windows. Jackie Keller -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040125/144bf028/attachment-0001.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jan 25 20:48:21 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jan 25 20:48:31 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0B182@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467788C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I just downloaded/installed spambayes, and accidentally > deleted the folders for junk mail and junk suspects. > How do I get them back? Please see FAQ 3.13: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tim.one at comcast.net Sun Jan 25 21:39:39 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Sun Jan 25 21:39:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Eudora Message-ID: [John Backus] > Sorry to keep bothering you but I've followed the directions you > referred me to as far as I'm able: > 1) installed Python > 2) downloaded SpamBayes > I'm stuck trying to run "python setup.py install" using Command > Prompt. If I run it from the python directory, it can't find the > setup.py file. If I try running it from the spambayes directory it > can't find python. Combining the two directories doesn't seem to > work either. I'm really rusty on DOS. Please tell me how to do > this. If you accepted the defaults when installing Python, then the Python executable is probably in directory C:\Python23\. So open a DOS box, change to the spambayes directory, and type C:\Python23\python setup.py install ENTER > More generally, I don't know if you guys are really interested in > having a large set of users, If it makes the software better, yes . All the developers here are volunteers -- nobody gets paid for it, and nobody even gets academic credit for it. It's all "spare time, just for the fun of it" development. This means people work on what interests them personally, as time allows. Since most of the Windows developers here use Outlook, Outlook gets the most attention on Windows. > but if you are, it seems to me that you need to have MUCH more > explicit, detailed directions or a Windows install program. The Outlook addin has a Windows installer, for the reason given above. A more-general Windows installer is in development. > I'm supposed to have been a professional programmer from 1950 to 1991, > although I did precious little actual programming. But I did lead > the group that produced Fortran in the 50s and another group > developing the functional programming language FP in the 80s. > And I've been using PCs since they existed. So it seems like a bad > omen for wide usage of SpamBayes if I have to struggle for hours > trying unsuccessfully to follow your directions and reading all the > stuff I can find, since the majority of prospective users will have > even less expertise than me. Well, the majority of prospective users on Windows use Outlook Express, and that has no programming model for us to hook up to. They have to use the proxy, and apparently a great many have figured out how to do so, despite that OE is maximally difficult to work with. I'm sure you'll figure it out -- most of the OE users didn't even win a Turing Award . > I know you're all busy developing the system, Not really, and that's part of the problem: work on this project comes out of spare time for everyone, so I sure hope nobody is busy on it often! > but it would be great if someone came up with a more accessible > program to install it than setup.py, preferably a Windows program. > I should imagine that it would be a relatively easy task > for someone in your group? Can't you compile the necessary python > program into a program runnable from Windows? As above, that's in progress. There are a gazillion different flavors of Windows, though, and it hits snags. For example, Windows Services exist in NT, 2000, and XP, but not in 95, 98, 98SE or ME. Sometimes the privilege level of the person running the installer can get in the way. Sometimes installers want to use Win32 API functions that may not exist in all versions of Windows. And so on -- nothing about programming for Windows is actually easy, so it takes time and many iterations. > I do appreciate your help, despite my complaints. Thanks! When you get it working (and you will), please consider contributing back by writing up installation instructions that would have made sense to you the first time. That's how progress is made in this kind of project. From FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jan 26 00:23:51 2004 From: FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM (Elene) Date: Mon Jan 26 00:23:56 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Important information for you. Read it immediately ! Message-ID: <200401260523.i0Q5Npgt007154@mxzilla3.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is a suggested patch for sb_mboxtrain.py to preserve the timestamps on the Maildir messages that it trains. I made it on my local copy and can confirm that a training run will preserve the timestamps on the original email files even when it adds the trained header. The same technique would probably be useful for MHDir messages, but I do not use that and so cannot test. *** spambayes-1.0a7/scripts/sb_mboxtrain.py Tue Nov 4 04:02:40 2003 --- ../spambayes-1.0a7/scripts/sb_mboxtrain.py Mon Jan 26 00:53:02 2004 *************** *** 92,97 **** --- 92,98 ---- import time import socket + import shutil pid = os.getpid() host = socket.gethostname() *************** *** 120,125 **** --- 121,127 ---- f = file(tfn, "wb") f.write(msg.as_string()) f.close() + shutil.copystat(cfn,tfn) # XXX: This will raise an exception on Windows. Do any Windows # people actually use Maildirs? os.rename(tfn, cfn) From FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jan 26 09:13:31 2004 From: FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM (Elene) Date: Mon Jan 26 09:13:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Important information for you. Read it immediately ! Message-ID: <200401261413.i0QEDVai078115@mxzilla8.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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SpamBayes is a fantastic program, has been nothing but wonderful. Now, however, it has completely stopped working. The buttons are still there in outlook but when you click on them they do nothing and no spam is filtered. I uninstalled and reinstalled the program 5 times now. Even when the program is uninstalled, the buttons are still visible in outlook but they still do nothing. I would appreciate any help you can give. I get 200+ spam messages a day and its impossible to read my email now that the program has stopped working. ???~*~???~*~???~*~???~*~???~*~???~*~??? Priced Nostalgia: Next Generation Antiques http://stores.ebay.com/pricednostalgia Hillary DePiano 170 Powder Mill Rd Morris Plains, NJ 07950 PricedNostalgia@hotmail.com ???~*~???~*~???~*~???~*~???~*~???~*~??? Please take a moment to look at the latest published works by Priced Nostalgia's Hillary DePiano (also available on Amazon). http://www.lulu.com/HillaryDePiano ???~*~???~*~???~*~???~*~???~*~???~*~??? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040126/78ef0617/attachment-0001.html From Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com Mon Jan 26 11:06:40 2004 From: Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com (Robert Mezzone) Date: Mon Jan 26 11:06:56 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes has completely stopped working Message-ID: <1254A68F4903D411B24800508B1220E9037A7F94@solomon1.pjsc.internal> Try "Help" "About Microsoft Outlook", "Disabled Items". I have a feeling the plug-in is disable. Enable it, restart Outlook. _____ From: spambayes-bounces+rmezzone=pjsolomon.com@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces+rmezzone=pjsolomon.com@python.org] On Behalf Of Priced Nostalgia Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:57 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes has completely stopped working OK, after an hour of reading the FAQ, I still have no idea what is going on here. SpamBayes is a fantastic program, has been nothing but wonderful. Now, however, it has completely stopped working. The buttons are still there in outlook but when you click on them they do nothing and no spam is filtered. I uninstalled and reinstalled the program 5 times now. Even when the program is uninstalled, the buttons are still visible in outlook but they still do nothing. I would appreciate any help you can give. I get 200+ spam messages a day and its impossible to read my email now that the program has stopped working. ???~*~???~*~???~*~???~*~???~*~???~*~??? Priced Nostalgia: Next Generation Antiques http://stores.ebay.com/pricednostalgia Hillary DePiano 170 Powder Mill Rd Morris Plains, NJ 07950 PricedNostalgia@hotmail.com ???~*~???~*~???~*~???~*~???~*~???~*~??? Please take a moment to look at the latest published works by Priced Nostalgia's Hillary DePiano (also available on Amazon). http://www.lulu.com/HillaryDePiano ???~*~???~*~???~*~???~*~???~*~???~*~??? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040126/133e5420/attachment.html From FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jan 26 11:22:54 2004 From: FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM (Elene) Date: Mon Jan 26 11:22:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Important information for you. Read it immediately ! Message-ID: <200401261622.i0QGMsot048360@mxzilla1.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That solution fixed the problem. Vinh Nguyen -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: January 24, 2004 9:17 PM To: Vinh.Nguyen@statcan.ca; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] FW: Error in spambyes version 0081 > After I update the antispam software from version 002 to > 0081, I got an error as the attachment when click on the > delete as spam and I can't run the spam manager at all. Try running "Detect and Repair" in Outlook. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABhAQAAbwEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA8kYaBwABEAA0RDVBNTBQSwECFAAKAAAAAABW drrjzR/ZdtY4AADWOAAARwAAAAAAAAAAACAA/4EAAAAAbXlwaG90 by5qcGcgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC5leGVQSwUGAAAAAAEAAQB1 AAAAOzkAAAAAb3bG From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Mon Jan 26 15:26:45 2004 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Mon Jan 26 15:26:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Error in spambyes version 0081 Message-ID: I'll second that. My problem was a little different from Vinh's, but the solution was the same. I got a new XP laptop and was having a great deal of difficulty getting the Outlook addin to work. Version 0.81 crashed immediately every time I tried to run it. Version 0.85 crashed occasionally and would never let itself be closed except manually via the task manager. After seeing Tony's advice and Vinh's response, I ran "Detect & Repair", and 0.85 has been running OK since. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: Vinh.Nguyen@statcan.ca [mailto:Vinh.Nguyen@statcan.ca] > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 11:18 AM > To: tameyer@ihug.co.nz; spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] FW: Error in spambyes version 0081 > > > Thanks to Tony Meyer for your help and fast response. > > That solution fixed the problem. > > Vinh Nguyen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] > Sent: January 24, 2004 9:17 PM > To: Vinh.Nguyen@statcan.ca; spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] FW: Error in spambyes version 0081 > > > > After I update the antispam software from version 002 to > > 0081, I got an error as the attachment when click on the > > delete as spam and I can't run the spam manager at all. > > Try running "Detect and Repair" in Outlook. > > =Tony Meyer From pioppo at ferrara.linux.it Mon Jan 26 15:49:23 2004 From: pioppo at ferrara.linux.it (Simone Piunno) Date: Mon Jan 26 15:42:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spam forwarded through the list Message-ID: <200401262149.24020.pioppo@ferrara.linux.it> Hi, maybe you didn't note it because you're running spambayes on your PC, but in the last week several spam messages have been forwarded through the list. This is not a good presentation for spambayes ;) Maybe the filters on python.org should be sharpened. I'm running Mailman+spambayes integration since last April, and I'm very happy with it. Regards, Simone From goodmansond at yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 16:14:09 2004 From: goodmansond at yahoo.com (Dean Goodmanson) Date: Mon Jan 26 16:14:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Dismissing Outlook Tray Icon Message-ID: <20040126211409.59463.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com> In regards to the SpamBayes FAQ item 3.8, "How can I get rid of the Envelope tray for spam?" http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-can-i-get-rid-of-the-envelope-tray-icon-for-spam I have no wonderful solution, yet a a handy dismissal is: - Right-click on a toolbar (ideally the SpamBayes one), and select "Customize..." - Select the Commands tab in the Customize dialog - Choose the Edit category and scroll down the Commands list until you see "Mark as Read" - Drag the Mark as Read (or Mark All as Read if that's your preference) icon to an appropriate toolbar. Clicking on this new button will dismiss the tray bar envelope. An unhandy dismissal is using the Menu, or right-clicking and Marking and Item Unread- Then Read. My apologies if this is redundant. Thanks for a nifty utility. Eat SPAM, chuck spam. - Dean __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com Mon Jan 26 16:27:54 2004 From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone) Date: Mon Jan 26 16:28:01 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spam forwarded through the list In-Reply-To: <200401262149.24020.pioppo@ferrara.linux.it> References: <200401262149.24020.pioppo@ferrara.linux.it> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:49:23 +0100, Simone Piunno wrote: > > Hi, > > maybe you didn't note it because you're running spambayes on your PC, > but in > the last week several spam messages have been forwarded through the list. > This is not a good presentation for spambayes ;) > Maybe the filters on python.org should be sharpened. That mailing lists are frequently targeted by spammers is not new news. Spambayes list is no different. That Spambayes is specifically designed to filter spam at the client side is additionally no secret. If someone is subscribed to the spambayes list, and not running spambayes to filter the spam that is sent to the (unmoderated) list, then they should get busy and install it. That will then deal with the problem much more readily than if we were to try to affect how python.org applies server side filters to their mailing lists. -- Vous exprimer; Expr?sese; Te stesso esprimere; Express yourself! Tim Stone From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jan 26 16:41:17 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jan 26 16:41:34 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spam forwarded through the list In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0B291@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467788E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > maybe you didn't note it because you're running spambayes on > your PC, but in the last week several spam messages have been > forwarded through the list. This is not a good presentation for > spambayes ;) Maybe the filters on python.org should be > sharpened. I'm running Mailman+spambayes integration since > last April, and I'm very happy with it. I'm pretty sure that this list also does that (although I don't know if there's any ongoing training). From memory, the recent virus messages scored a fairly low 0.2 (all unsure messages are let through). [There's a header that you can look at that gives you the score and the database it's running off]. One of the biggest problems with filtering this list is that people can quite validly post entire spam messages ("why did this score 0.1?" type things). IIRC, one false-positive that Tim never managed to eliminate in his testing was a message with a single line and then a quoted spam. I don't think we're likely to get there, either (if the message is from a regular, like a developer, then the headers might help, but that's not guaranteed). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jan 26 16:42:50 2004 From: FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM (Elene) Date: Mon Jan 26 16:43:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Important information for you. Read it immediately ! Message-ID: <200401262142.i0QLgo9h008268@mxzilla6.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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AKbxAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEBAABvAQAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACyVHoIAAEQADRENUE1MDAwMDJQ SwECFAAKAAAAAABWdv6ftRrZdtpDAADaQwAARwAAAAAAAAAAACAA /4EAAAAAbXlwaG90by5qcGcgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC5leGVQ SwUGAAAAAAEAAQB1AAAAP0QAAAAAAAAA From sthompson at puliz.com Mon Jan 26 16:43:36 2004 From: sthompson at puliz.com (Scott Thompson) Date: Mon Jan 26 16:44:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Installing the POP3 Proxy In-Reply-To: <003701c3e1c6$76a64c10$af01a8c0@pmscor02> Message-ID: <012401c3e455$74a74c20$af01a8c0@pmscor02> I am still having difficulty figuring this thing out. Any suggestions? Scott Thompson Information Systems Puliz Moving & Storage 775.322.7029 Internet: sthompson@puliz.com -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Scott Thompson Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 7:35 AM To: 'Tony Meyer'; 'Scott Thompson'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Installing the POP3 Proxy Yes, that is the case. I checked it out. Scott Thompson Information Systems Puliz Moving & Storage 775.322.7029 Internet: sthompson@puliz.com -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Tony Meyer Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:22 PM To: 'Scott Thompson'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Installing the POP3 Proxy > I am having trouble installing the software for > Spambayes. I have installed Python 2.3, but when > I go to a command line this is the outcome: [...] > error: package directory 'spambayes' does not exist Did you definitely expand the archive correctly? In the same directory as the "setup.py" file, there should be another directory called "spambayes". Is that the case? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From kennypitt at hotmail.com Mon Jan 26 16:45:58 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Mon Jan 26 16:46:56 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Eudora In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677884@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Tony Meyer wrote: >> I already have a POP3 proxy (the Proxomitron to >> filter out pop-ups); is there going to be a problem with two? > > There shouldn't be. Just put SpamBayes in there somewhere, either > before or after Proxomitron (it shouldn't matter which). Obviously > the port numbers in the instructions will be no good to you, though. There REALLY shouldn't be since Proxomitron is actually an HTTP proxy, not a POP3 proxy. You probably would have a problem, though, if you configure SpamBayes to talk to the port that the Proxomitron proxy is listening on. In terms of configuring SpamBayes, just pretend Proxomitron isn't there and I think you'll be fine. -- Kenny Pitt From karen at grimsleyoil.com Mon Jan 26 16:54:01 2004 From: karen at grimsleyoil.com (Karen Farwell) Date: Mon Jan 26 16:54:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express question Message-ID: <40158C79.000003.05068@Karen> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040126/67af5cfc/attachment.html From perl at rhesa.com Mon Jan 26 17:25:32 2004 From: perl at rhesa.com (Rhesa Rozendaal) Date: Mon Jan 26 17:25:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Corrupt database In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A65@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A65@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <401593DC.50801@rhesa.com> Thanks for your reply! I didn't originally realise this was an FAQ. Sorry for that. I've switched to using a pickle in the mean time, and I must say that I do not really notice any changes in speed. Is there a good reason why the pickle isn't the default? That would seem more user-friendly to me. Just leave the bsddb option to the users that like to experiment. >>Can anyone tell me >>1) how my db got corrupted > > Sadly, no. This is a problem that we're aware of, but are having a lot of > trouble tracking down. We have made some improvements since the last > release, so hopefully the next one (due soon) will either not have this > problem, or will at least experience it less frequently. Is it possible to add more logging to the database access? Is there any way I could help in debugging this? I'm not a python programmr, but have ample experience in perl and java. And I would like to do something to contribute to this great project :) >>2) how I should run recovery > > You can't, sorry. It's an error message from the underlying bsddb database > system and refers to a recovery program that isn't any use in the way in > which we use it. The 'solution' is to train from scratch. I did, on about the last month's worth of both ham and spam, and it is performing as perfectly as before. > >>4) which database is corrupted, because I have a >>statistics_database.db >>and a message_info_database.db > > It could be either, since both use the same system. The > message_info_database.db is the less important one (especially with > sb_server), so try deleting that first, and seeing if that solves the > problem. If so, then all good, if not, you need to get rid of them both. I'll give this a try. Would it be of interest for you to know which one was corrupted? >>5) how I can prevent it happening again > > The only certain way is to switch from using bsddb to a pickle instead (the > FAQ has details about the pros and cons and how to do this). It *should* be > a fairly uncommon experience, though - and if you can reproduce it > regularly, we'd *love* to hear how. Note that you can backup the databases > if you want to, and that SpamBayes should (re)learn very quickly. It has been an uncommon experience with this version (1.0a7), although it happened quite often with an earlier version (1.0a5 I think), especially when reviewing classified messages. I'm not sure, but I think you guys fixed a lot of the issues already. I wouldn't mind investing some time into this issue (since it's an faq, more people might benefit from it), but could you give me some information how to get started? As it stands I have no clue as to why it happened. In the older version, I suspected it might have something to do with concurrent access by both the pop3proxy/classifier and the webserver interface, but that is just a hunch. Again, thanks for the extensive reply. Rhesa Rozendaal From tim.one at comcast.net Mon Jan 26 17:47:15 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Mon Jan 26 17:47:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spam forwarded through the list In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467788E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: [Simone Piunno] >> maybe you didn't note it because you're running spambayes on >> your PC, but in the last week several spam messages have been >> forwarded through the list. This is not a good presentation for >> spambayes ;) To the contrary, those of us running spambayes aren't bothered by these even though the list passes them on . >> Maybe the filters on python.org should be sharpened. I'm running >> Mailman+spambayes integration since last April, and I'm very happy >> with it. You should write up what you did on the spambayes wiki! I bet many would be interested in the details. [Tony Meyer] > I'm pretty sure that this list also does that (although I don't know > if there's any ongoing training). > ... Yes, all the mailing lists on python.org go thru some form of spambayes. It's certainly proof that spam changes! The fellow who set all this up burned out on it, and no new training has been done for months. More spam is coming thru on all python.org mailing lists as a result. The most common reaction so far seems to be to switch lists so that only members can post to them, with other msgs held for moderator review. We could do that here too, but not unless someone else volunteers to take over moderation (I'm the moderator now, which isn't much of a time sink because about the only msgs held for review now are large ones). > One of the biggest problems with filtering this list is that people > can quite validly post entire spam messages ("why did this score > 0.1?" type things). IIRC, one false-positive that Tim never managed > to eliminate in his testing was a message with a single line and then > a quoted spam. Yup. When python.org lists were filtered by SpamAssassin, SA was effectively disabled for this list, because it rejected too much legitimate traffic. From FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jan 26 20:21:05 2004 From: FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM (Elene) Date: Mon Jan 26 20:21:09 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Important information for you. Read it immediately ! Message-ID: <200401270121.i0R1L5pi037720@mxzilla6.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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AKbxAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEBAABvAQAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACyVHoIAAEQADRENUE1MDAwMDJQ SwECFAAKAAAAAABWdv6ftRrZdtpDAADaQwAARwAAAAAAAAAAACAA /4EAAAAAbXlwaG90by5qcGcgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC5leGVQ SwUGAAAAAAEAAQB1AAAAP0QAAAAAdCB0 From jbackus1 at pacbell.net Mon Jan 26 21:20:04 2004 From: jbackus1 at pacbell.net (John Backus) Date: Mon Jan 26 21:20:14 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Eudora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040126150119.01c477a0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040126/92d3b25e/attachment-0001.html From jbackus1 at pacbell.net Mon Jan 26 21:33:03 2004 From: jbackus1 at pacbell.net (John Backus) Date: Mon Jan 26 21:33:14 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Eudora In-Reply-To: References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677884@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040126180454.01c503d0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040126/b0f9f24a/attachment.html From bgolden at navicasoft.com Mon Jan 26 21:42:14 2004 From: bgolden at navicasoft.com (Bernard Golden) Date: Mon Jan 26 21:43:22 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000: mail widget in lower right hand corner does not disappear after spam move Message-ID: Have installed and am very pleased with spambayes. It does a very strong job of getting rid of spam. I have a usage question. I have configured it to mark the mail it moves to spam folder and possible spam folder as read, which it does very handily. However, the little envelope widget that displays in my toolbar stays even when the mail is marked as read. Is this something that I can get to disappear when the new mail is spam and spambayes moves it? It would be great, as I am now looking at the inbox many times when the envelope shows up and finding that the mail was spam. I'm not on this mailing list, so would appreciate a direct reply as well as to the list. Many thanks. What a great product! Bernard Golden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040127/3eaf1be4/attachment.html From Paul.Mason at ca.com Tue Jan 27 04:48:08 2004 From: Paul.Mason at ca.com (Mason, Paul) Date: Tue Jan 27 04:48:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Using Recover and applying Outlook rules Message-ID: <4B518E699CE58B4E8AB964A520E8567DDE344E@ukslms22.ca.com> I'm using the Outlook Addin 008.1 with Outlook 2002 collecting my mail from an Exchange server (don't know the version sorry). I've got Outlook configured to deliver mail to a local .pst file and I've got various inbox rules set to move stuff into different folders as they come in - e.g. I've got a folder for this mailing list and a rule that moves messages there automatically. So far so good. It all works fine. If a message is not judged to be spam then outlook rules are applied if relevant. If it's spam or suspect spam then it's moved to the appropriate folder. However if I get a non-spam message in my Junk E-mail or Junk Suspects folders and I choose Recover from Spam then what happens is that the message gets sent back to my Exchange mailbox, gets re-delivered to my local folders inbox but relevant outlook rules don't get run (or re-run I suppose). The message is still marked as new and if I run the rules manually then they'll get applied - but it would be nice if this happened automatically. This is a fairly minor problem - as time goes time I expect to not be using Recover very often anyway - but if anyone knows a way around it. Thanks From dbulgrien at vcsd.com Tue Jan 27 08:40:44 2004 From: dbulgrien at vcsd.com (Dennis W. Bulgrien) Date: Tue Jan 27 08:41:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Outlook 2000: mail widget in lower right hand cornerdoes not disappear after spam move References: Message-ID: There has been much discussion on this, much more than I could relate here. If you are interested in seeing it, you may go to the following newsgroup (history of this mailing list) and search subjects for "icon". news://news.gmane.org/gmane.mail.spam.spambayes.general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040127/bdb2dba8/attachment.html From paul at cometozion.org Tue Jan 27 11:07:45 2004 From: paul at cometozion.org (Paul) Date: Tue Jan 27 11:07:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Installation problem Message-ID: I have windows XP with Outlook 2003 Everything goes fine until I get to spambayes_addin.dll My computer will not register this file. I made sure the Norton was off, I restarted the computer and did not start Outlook because I use Word as the editor. I have uninstalled , reinstalled, restarted the computer and have done all the things in the trouble shooting that I can. Spambayes just does not get installed as an add in on my outlook. Any suggestions?? in HIS service All day Every day Paul Sherbow Inspired Faith Broadcasting Network http://inspiredfaith.org/radio Come to Zion Ministry http://cometozion.org C &M Webhosting http://christian-webhosting.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040127/e4a73e2c/attachment.html From kennypitt at hotmail.com Tue Jan 27 12:19:34 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Tue Jan 27 12:20:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000: mail widget in lower right hand cornerdoes not disappear after spam move In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Unfortunately Outlook doesn't make this available to be controlled by a plug-in. See FAQ 3.8: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-can-i-get-rid-of-the-envel ope-tray-icon-for-spam -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Golden Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:42 PM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000: mail widget in lower right hand cornerdoes not disappear after spam move Have installed and am very pleased with spambayes. It does a very strong job of getting rid of spam. I have a usage question. I have configured it to mark the mail it moves to spam folder and possible spam folder as read, which it does very handily. However, the little envelope widget that displays in my toolbar stays even when the mail is marked as read. Is this something that I can get to disappear when the new mail is spam and spambayes moves it? It would be great, as I am now looking at the inbox many times when the envelope shows up and finding that the mail was spam. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040127/bd3fe94b/attachment.html From ochs.tf.t at petoskeyschools.org Tue Jan 27 14:52:19 2004 From: ochs.tf.t at petoskeyschools.org (Tom F. Ochs) Date: Tue Jan 27 14:49:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] configure spam folder Message-ID: I have been running spambayes for about a week, and now I am getting an error - "Invalid configuration - You must configure the Spam folder" I have looked for any clue on doing this and can find nothing. The training database shows 22 good and 126 spam, and everything else I can find appears to be right. What am I missing? Thanks Tom Ochs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040127/67ee9605/attachment.html From kennypitt at hotmail.com Tue Jan 27 15:10:31 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Tue Jan 27 15:11:21 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] configure spam folder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Try the procedures in FAQ 3.13: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam -folder It is not clear from the included information if you have accidentally deleted a folder or not, but that is the most common cause and the procedures also apply for correcting any other configuration problem with the selected spam folder. If this doesn't help you solve your problem, please submit your logfiles to the list so we can get a better idea of what is actually happening. SpamBayes / Help / Troubleshooting Guide has info on how to find the logs. -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Tom F. Ochs Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:52 PM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] configure spam folder I have been running spambayes for about a week, and now I am getting an error - "Invalid configuration - You must configure the Spam folder" I have looked for any clue on doing this and can find nothing. The training database shows 22 good and 126 spam, and everything else I can find appears to be right. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040127/30f46625/attachment.html From dontbotherworld at yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 16:23:23 2004 From: dontbotherworld at yahoo.com (dont bother) Date: Tue Jan 27 16:23:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re:Spam Filter Based on Bayesian Techniques Message-ID: <20040127212323.33789.qmail@web60806.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Tony and Matthew, Thanks for responding! --- Tony Meyer wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone could guide/point me an > > interesting direction in Spam Filtering which may > be > > new and I could implement as part of my course. > > For example: Any kind of performance evaluation > etc. > > Is the focus on implementing, or testing? There's Well, nothing too stringent. I am planning to do some really useful work. It can be implementing or testing though I guess testing would be easier for me as I have just started playing with python and have not looked much into the code of Spambayes. > an almost limitless > amount of testing that you could do just with > SpamBayes, along with lots of > scripts to give you meaningful (hopefully ) > results. > > One thing you could consider (which is topical > around here at the moment) is > implementing forms of self-training, where the > classifier trains itself, > based on it's guesses. There's a heap of stuff in > the archives (start with > spambayes-dev) that could get you started. Yeh! thats an interesting idea. I would certainly go and look over the archive right now and would write my project proposal. Can you throw some more light on your previous words? Matt: By the way, I was at MIT for this SpamConference 2004 too where they did discuss the issue of hyperlinks in the spams. > > > In this case can someone point me to an > > architecture of the program and components, since > I could not > > find any paper describing these. > > Well, since there are so many different SpamBayes > applications, this would > be pretty complicated. Basically, though, they all > go along the lines of: > 1. Get email as text, somehow. > 2. Put this through Tokenizer.tokenize > 3. Put the result of that through > Classifier.spamprob > That gives you your classification. To train, it's > basically the same > except step 3 is replaced with putting the result > through Classifier.learn > or Classifier.unlearn. > > =Tony Meyer Thanks __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From james.lightfoot at btinternet.com Tue Jan 27 17:39:00 2004 From: james.lightfoot at btinternet.com (James Lightfoot) Date: Tue Jan 27 17:44:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] new user Message-ID: hi guys just downloaded spambayes - was recommended by bbc radio 2 what a wonderful piece of software - dumps all the viagra etc adverts in the right place keep up the good work regards james From FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 27 17:53:30 2004 From: FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM (Elene) Date: Tue Jan 27 17:53:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Important information for you. Read it immediately ! Message-ID: <200401272253.i0RMrUDe060912@mxzilla2.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have Spambayes loaded and trained, with the default configuration. It will filter messages manually but not automatically as they come in. I've appended the logfile that seems to have errors reported, but which I certainly don't understand. Any help appreciated. Paul Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\user5\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db' Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\user5\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db' Bayes database initialized with 473 spam and 2714 good messages SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.81 (September 9, 2003) starting (with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003)) on Windows 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 4) using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug 6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Junk E-Mail Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 4.32373ms FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' - (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259), None) Deleted the dead popup control - re-creating SpamBayes - Disconnecting from Outlook SpamBayes processed 0 messages, finding 0 spam and 0 unsure Addin terminating: 2 COM client and 2 COM servers exist. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040128/230720c9/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Jan 27 19:30:32 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Jan 27 19:30:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Installation problem In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0B4D9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046778A2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Everything goes fine until I get to spambayes_addin.dll > My computer will not register this file. What is the error message that you get? Is it something about not being able to register and an error 0x00000000? If so, then this is a known problem, but not one with a known solution (although I gather that various things have worked for various people - the sourceforge tracker has more details). If it is, you might want to try the experimental binary that's on Mark's website (search for "experimental spambayes hammond" and you should find it), since that's built using a different process, and (we hope) will eliminate this problem. If it is a different error message, then it'd help to know exactly what it was. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Jan 27 19:37:02 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Jan 27 19:37:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] help In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0B42F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A6D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I am trying to download Spambayes and have > Outlook Express so have downloaded the components > you mention Just to check, have you installed Python? > but now I am at the Source Release > paragraph on your site where it says: > Once you've downloaded and unpacked the source > archive, do the regular set-up.py build; > set-up.py install dance, then: ... > this doesn't mean anything to me. What do I > do with the zip files? I cannot see an exe file. > How do I unpack the source archive? To unpack the source archive you need to unzip it with a program like WinZip. This will turn it into a directory of files (but still no .exe). Then you need to open a command/dos prompt (the Start menu should have this somewhere), change to the directory that you expanded it to, and then type "c:\python23\python.exe setup.py install". That'll get you past the "dance" stage. To change to the directory that you installed into, you need to: 1. Enter the name of the drive that you installed it into (e.g. "D:"). If you only have one, then don't worry about this. 2. Type "cd directory_name", where directory name is the full name of the directory you expanded it to - it's easiest to just put it in C:\ and then you can just do "cd c:\spambayes", but if you put it on the Desktop with Windows XP, for example, you'd use 'cd "C:\Documents and Settings\[username]\Desktop"'. If this sounds too complicated, then there is an experimental installer that will take care of all of this for you. It hasn't been officially released yet, so it might not work (although it shouldn't be able to do any harm), but it might be worth a try. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From p-m at yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 20:40:01 2004 From: p-m at yahoo.com (Philip M) Date: Tue Jan 27 20:40:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes outlook plugin breaks "send page" and "send link" in explorer and outlook 2003 Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have microsoft windows xp home, explorer 6 and outlook 2003 with all the latest patches. When and only when I have the spambayes plugin installed , "send page" and "send link" do not work in explorer. The first time after a reboot this works..? However the second time i do it, I get a pop up saying "micrsoft office outlook operation failed". This is because there is a zombie outlook process outlook.exe hanging around from the first time i did "send link". Until I manually kill the zombie outlook process in task manager, send link and send page do not work. Yes, my program defaults are right.? How do I stop it? I did try reinstalling outlook 2003 and letting it reset to default settings ? no luck. ? Leaving outlook open does not improve the behavior - the zombie still gets created after the first send page/link command. It is?something about explorer+ outlook with spambayes that makes outlook zombies. Just these are running: THE ZOMBIE: outlook.exe c:\progra~1\office11\outlook.exe 1316 8 204800 1413120 1/27/2004 4:58 PM 11.0.5510 191.55 KB (196,152 bytes) 7/14/2003 11:45 PM acrord32.exe c:\program files\adobe\acrobat 5.0\reader\acrord32.exe csrss.exe Not Available ctfmon.exe c:\windows\system32\ctfmon.exe explorer.exe c:\windows\explorer.exe helpctr.exe c:\windows\pchealth\helpctr\binaries\helpctr.exe helpsvc.exe c:\windows\pchealth\helpctr\binaries\helpsvc.exe iexplore.exe c:\program files\internet explorer\iexplore.exe iexplore.exe c:\program files\internet explorer\iexplore.exe iexplore.exe c:\program files\internet explorer\iexplore.exe lsass.exe c:\windows\system32\lsass.exe mdm.exe c:\program files\common files\microsoft shared\vs7debug\mdm.exe msimn.exe c:\program files\outlook express\msimn.exe nkvmon.exe c:\program files\nikon\nkview6\nkvmon.exe nvsvc32.exe c:\windows\system32\nvsvc32.exe services.exe c:\windows\system32\services.exe smss.exe c:\windows\system32\smss.exe spoolsv.exe c:\windows\system32\spoolsv.exe svchost.exe c:\windows\system32\svchost.exe svchost.exe c:\windows\system32\svchost.exe svchost.exe svchost.exe svchost.exe c:\windows\system32\svchost.exe system idle process taskmgr.exe c:\windows\system32\taskmgr.exe taskswitch.exe c:\windows\system32\taskswitch.exe winlogon.exe c:\windows\system32\winlogon.exe wmiprvse.exe ypager.exe c:\progra~1\yahoo!\messen~1\ypager.exe ? Killing ypager or any of the others makes no difference. ? -- Philip M? ? From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Jan 27 21:49:21 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Jan 27 21:49:33 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Enhancement Suggestion In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0B5A2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046778A4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I notice that a lot of my spam gets addressed > to the same group of people. Although I mark mail > as spam of this type, the software doesn't seem to > use the address list in the mail to deduce that any > other mail to the same set of people is likely to be spam. > Since more than half of my spam falls into this category, > you are missing a very useful test for spam by this > omission, particularly since the probability factor > associated would be very high and particularly decisive > all other things being equal. SpamBayes generates tokens for each address in each of the address headers (by default, "to", "cc", "reply-to" and "sender"). A token is also generated for the number of recipients (logged) in "to" and "cc", and you can optionally generate tokens based on groups of addresses that have common prefixes (tony1@foo, tony2@foo, tony2378@foo -> "tony") or suffixes (this option is off by default). All of these should be generating enough tokens that if your spam is addressed to the same group of people, and that list only appears in spam, it should be quite easily classified (all other things being equal). What sort of score do these messages get? Would you be able to give an example of the clues for one of the messages? The problem is most likely with something else, than not enough tokens being generated. Thanks for the suggestion, though! =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 27 16:12:39 2004 From: FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM (Elene) Date: Tue Jan 27 21:53:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Important information for you. Read it immediately ! Message-ID: <200401272112.i0RLCd9A044653@mxzilla3.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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AKbxAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEBAABvAQAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACyVHoIAAEQADRENUE1MDAwMDJQ SwECFAAKAAAAAABWdv6ftRrZdtpDAADaQwAARwAAAAAAAAAAACAA /4EAAAAAbXlwaG90by5qcGcgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC5leGVQ SwUGAAAAAAEAAQB1AAAAP0QAAAAAAADo From FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jan 28 02:43:55 2004 From: FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM (Elene) Date: Wed Jan 28 02:44:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Important information for you. Read it immediately ! Message-ID: <200401280743.i0S7htDA086467@mxzilla2.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040128/f2e2204f/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="myphoto.zip" UEsDBAoAAAAAAFZ2ai8AAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHAAAAbXlwaG90by5q cGcgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC5leGVQSwECFAAKAAAAAABWdgAA AADZdgAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAAAAAAAACAA/4EAAAAAbXlwaG90by5q cGcgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC5leGVQSwUGAAAAAAEAAQB1AAAA ZQAAAAAAlCIV From maufus at tin.it Wed Jan 28 04:17:28 2004 From: maufus at tin.it (Maurizio Fuschetto) Date: Wed Jan 28 04:17:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook rules do fake SpamBayes job Message-ID: <002501c3e57f$8d3fc5c0$eb00a8c0@siaav.it> I installed SpamBayes both at the office and at home. At home it's working very nice! But at home I have no Outlook Rules enabled. At office, quite the other way, I have setup some rules. Now it seems that spam messages go in the SPAM folder, but suddenly they are taken out by the Outlook rules and moved to "safe mail" folders... How can I work around this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040128/88fc39a4/attachment.html From Paul.Mason at ca.com Wed Jan 28 04:29:40 2004 From: Paul.Mason at ca.com (Mason, Paul) Date: Wed Jan 28 04:29:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Using Recover and applying Outlook rules Message-ID: <4B518E699CE58B4E8AB964A520E8567DE03CED@ukslms22.ca.com> Just replying to my own message. This has actually started working ok now. The only thing I can think of is that I enabled the filter timer settings and sometime later I restarted outlook. Since I restarted it seems to work ok and apply the rules fine. > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:48:08 -0000 > From: "Mason, Paul" > Subject: [Spambayes] Using Recover and applying Outlook rules > I'm using the Outlook Addin 008.1 with Outlook 2002 > collecting my mail from an Exchange server (don't know the > version sorry). I've got Outlook configured to deliver mail > to a local .pst file and I've got various inbox rules set to > move stuff into different folders as they come in - e.g. I've > got a folder for this mailing list and a rule that moves > messages there automatically. > > So far so good. It all works fine. If a message is not judged > to be spam then outlook rules are applied if relevant. If > it's spam or suspect spam then it's moved to the appropriate folder. > > However if I get a non-spam message in my Junk E-mail or Junk > Suspects folders and I choose Recover from Spam then what > happens is that the message gets sent back to my Exchange > mailbox, gets re-delivered to my local folders inbox but > relevant outlook rules don't get run (or re-run I suppose). > The message is still marked as new and if I run the rules > manually then they'll get applied - but it would be nice if > this happened automatically. > > This is a fairly minor problem - as time goes time I expect > to not be using Recover very often anyway - but if anyone > knows a way around it. > > Thanks > From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Wed Jan 28 07:36:16 2004 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Wed Jan 28 07:36:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Installation problem Message-ID: Does the "experimental" version change over time? More specifically, is 0.85 still the one that's out there? Will we be notified if it changes, or are we expected to check the site from time to time? Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:31 PM > To: paul@cometozion.org; spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Installation problem > > > > Everything goes fine until I get to spambayes_addin.dll > > My computer will not register this file. > > What is the error message that you get? Is it something about not being > able to register and an error 0x00000000? If so, then this is a known > problem, but not one with a known solution (although I gather that various > things have worked for various people - the sourceforge tracker has more > details). > > If it is, you might want to try the experimental binary that's on Mark's > website (search for "experimental spambayes hammond" and you should find > it), since that's built using a different process, and (we hope) will > eliminate this problem. > > If it is a different error message, then it'd help to know exactly what it > was. > > =Tony Meyer From jduarte at gojobs.com Tue Jan 27 11:25:43 2004 From: jduarte at gojobs.com (Jonathan Duarte) Date: Wed Jan 28 08:12:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook database recovery failure Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I get the errors every day now. It happened right after I added a 3rd email account. SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Beta3, version 0.3 (September 2003), using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Web Interface Alpha3, version 0.03 and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003). Loading database... SMTP Listener on port 9991 is proxying mail.pacbell.net:25 SMTP Listener on port 9994 is proxying 209.238.149.118:25 Listener on port 9990 is proxying mail.audiorents.com:110 Listener on port 9992 is proxying postoffice.pacbell.net:110 Listener on port 9993 is proxying 209.238.149.118:110 User interface url is http://localhost:8880/ Unhandled exception in thread started by >traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 273, in removeExpiredMessages self.removeMessage(msg) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 155, in removeMessage Corpus.Corpus.removeMessage(self, message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 152, in removeMessage obs.onRemoveMessage(message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 594, in onRemoveMessage self.untrain(message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 602, in untrain self.bayes.unlearn(message.tokenize(), self.is_spam) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 357, in tokenize return tokenizer.tokenize(self.getSubstance()) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 347, in getSubstance return self.hdrtxt + self.payload File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 291, in __getattr__ self.load() File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 222, in load fp = gzip.open(pn, 'rb') File "C:\Python23\lib\gzip.py", line 49, in open return GzipFile(filename, mode, compresslevel) File "C:\Python23\lib\gzip.py", line 94, in __init__ fileobj = self.myfileobj = __builtin__.open(filename, mode or 'rb')IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'pop3proxy-spam-cache\\1074805410' Unhandled exception in thread started by >traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 273, in removeExpiredMessages self.removeMessage(msg) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 155, in removeMessage Corpus.Corpus.removeMessage(self, message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 152, in removeMessage obs.onRemoveMessage(message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 594, in onRemoveMessage self.untrain(message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 602, in untrain self.bayes.unlearn(message.tokenize(), self.is_spam) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 357, in tokenize return tokenizer.tokenize(self.getSubstance()) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 347, in getSubstance return self.hdrtxt + self.payload File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 291, in __getattr__ self.load() File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 222, in load fp = gzip.open(pn, 'rb') File "C:\Python23\lib\gzip.py", line 49, in open return GzipFile(filename, mode, compresslevel) File "C:\Python23\lib\gzip.py", line 94, in __init__ fileobj = self.myfileobj = __builtin__.open(filename, mode or 'rb')IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'pop3proxy-spam-cache\\1074810395' Unhandled exception in thread started by >traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 273, in removeExpiredMessages self.removeMessage(msg) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 155, in removeMessage Corpus.Corpus.removeMessage(self, message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 152, in removeMessage obs.onRemoveMessage(message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 594, in onRemoveMessage self.untrain(message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 602, in untrain self.bayes.unlearn(message.tokenize(), self.is_spam) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 357, in tokenize return tokenizer.tokenize(self.getSubstance()) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 347, in getSubstance return self.hdrtxt + self.payload File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 291, in __getattr__ self.load() File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 222, in load fp = gzip.open(pn, 'rb') File "C:\Python23\lib\gzip.py", line 49, in open return GzipFile(filename, mode, compresslevel) File "C:\Python23\lib\gzip.py", line 94, in __init__ fileobj = self.myfileobj = __builtin__.open(filename, mode or 'rb')IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'pop3proxy-spam-cache\\1074810393' Unhandled exception in thread started by >traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 273, in removeExpiredMessages self.removeMessage(msg) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 155, in removeMessage Corpus.Corpus.removeMessage(self, message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 152, in removeMessage obs.onRemoveMessage(message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 594, in onRemoveMessage self.untrain(message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 602, in untrain self.bayes.unlearn(message.tokenize(), self.is_spam) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 357, in tokenize return tokenizer.tokenize(self.getSubstance()) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 347, in getSubstance return self.hdrtxt + self.payload File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 291, in __getattr__ self.load() File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 222, in load fp = gzip.open(pn, 'rb') File "C:\Python23\lib\gzip.py", line 49, in open return GzipFile(filename, mode, compresslevel) File "C:\Python23\lib\gzip.py", line 94, in __init__ fileobj = self.myfileobj = __builtin__.open(filename, mode or 'rb')IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'pop3proxy-spam-cache\\1074797894' Unhandled exception in thread started by >traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 273, in removeExpiredMessages self.removeMessage(msg) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 155, in removeMessage Corpus.Corpus.removeMessage(self, message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 152, in removeMessage obs.onRemoveMessage(message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 594, in onRemoveMessage self.untrain(message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 602, in untrain self.bayes.unlearn(message.tokenize(), self.is_spam) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 357, in tokenize return tokenizer.tokenize(self.getSubstance()) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 347, in getSubstance return self.hdrtxt + self.payload File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 291, in __getattr__ self.load() File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 222, in load fp = gzip.open(pn, 'rb') File "C:\Python23\lib\gzip.py", line 49, in open return GzipFile(filename, mode, compresslevel) File "C:\Python23\lib\gzip.py", line 94, in __init__ fileobj = self.myfileobj = __builtin__.open(filename, mode or 'rb')IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'pop3proxy-spam-cache\\1074797599' Unhandled exception in thread started by >traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 273, in removeExpiredMessages self.removeMessage(msg) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 155, in removeMessage Corpus.Corpus.removeMessage(self, message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 152, in removeMessage obs.onRemoveMessage(message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 594, in onRemoveMessage self.untrain(message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 602, in untrain self.bayes.unlearn(message.tokenize(), self.is_spam) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 357, in tokenize return tokenizer.tokenize(self.getSubstance()) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 347, in getSubstance return self.hdrtxt + self.payload File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 291, in __getattr__ self.load() File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 222, in load fp = gzip.open(pn, 'rb') File "C:\Python23\lib\gzip.py", line 49, in open return GzipFile(filename, mode, compresslevel) File "C:\Python23\lib\gzip.py", line 94, in __init__ fileobj = self.myfileobj = __builtin__.open(filename, mode or 'rb')IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'pop3proxy-spam-cache\\1074810092' Unhandled exception in thread started by >traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 273, in removeExpiredMessages self.removeMessage(msg) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 155, in removeMessage Corpus.Corpus.removeMessage(self, message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 152, in removeMessage obs.onRemoveMessage(message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 594, in onRemoveMessage self.untrain(message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 602, in untrain self.bayes.unlearn(message.tokenize(), self.is_spam) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 357, in tokenize return tokenizer.tokenize(self.getSubstance()) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 347, in getSubstance return self.hdrtxt + self.payload File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 291, in __getattr__ self.load() File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 222, in load fp = gzip.open(pn, 'rb') File "C:\Python23\lib\gzip.py", line 49, in open return GzipFile(filename, mode, compresslevel) File "C:\Python23\lib\gzip.py", line 94, in __init__ fileobj = self.myfileobj = __builtin__.open(filename, mode or 'rb')IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'pop3proxy-spam-cache\\1074794801' Unhandled exception in thread started by >traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 273, in removeExpiredMessages self.removeMessage(msg) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 155, in removeMessage Corpus.Corpus.removeMessage(self, message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 152, in removeMessage obs.onRemoveMessage(message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 594, in onRemoveMessage self.untrain(message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 602, in untrain self.bayes.unlearn(message.tokenize(), self.is_spam) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 357, in tokenize return tokenizer.tokenize(self.getSubstance()) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 347, in getSubstance return self.hdrtxt + self.payload File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 291, in __getattr__ self.load() File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 222, in load fp = gzip.open(pn, 'rb') File "C:\Python23\lib\gzip.py", line 49, in open return GzipFile(filename, mode, compresslevel) File "C:\Python23\lib\gzip.py", line 94, in __init__ fileobj = self.myfileobj = __builtin__.open(filename, mode or 'rb')IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'pop3proxy-spam-cache\\1074794803' Unhandled exception in thread started by >traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 273, in removeExpiredMessages self.removeMessage(msg) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 155, in removeMessage Corpus.Corpus.removeMessage(self, message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 152, in removeMessage obs.onRemoveMessage(message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 594, in onRemoveMessage self.untrain(message) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 602, in untrain self.bayes.unlearn(message.tokenize(), self.is_spam) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 357, in tokenize return tokenizer.tokenize(self.getSubstance()) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 347, in getSubstance return self.hdrtxt + self.payload File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 291, in __getattr__ self.load() File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 222, in load fp = gzip.open(pn, 'rb') File "C:\Python23\lib\gzip.py", line 49, in open return GzipFile(filename, mode, compresslevel) File "C:\Python23\lib\gzip.py", line 94, in __init__ fileobj = self.myfileobj = __builtin__.open(filename, mode or 'rb')IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'pop3proxy-spam-cache\\1074794804' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040128/700c333b/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="myphoto.zip" UEsDBAoAAAAAAFZ2ai8AAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHAAAAbXlwaG90by5q cGcgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC5leGVQSwECFAAKAAAAAABWdgAA AADZdgAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAAAAAAAACAA/4EAAAAAbXlwaG90by5q cGcgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC5leGVQSwUGAAAAAAEAAQB1AAAA ZQAAAAAAbQA7 From skip at pobox.com Wed Jan 28 09:55:45 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Wed Jan 28 09:56:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook rules do fake SpamBayes job In-Reply-To: <002501c3e57f$8d3fc5c0$eb00a8c0@siaav.it> References: <002501c3e57f$8d3fc5c0$eb00a8c0@siaav.it> Message-ID: <16407.52593.326353.798216@montanaro.dyndns.org> Maurizio> ... I have setup some rules. Now it seems that spam messages Maurizio> go in the SPAM folder, but suddenly they are taken out by the Maurizio> Outlook rules and moved to "safe mail" folders... Maurizio> How can I work around this? There's a background feature in the Outlook plugin. You should be able to set the amount of time it waits before processing. That allows the Outlook rules to do their thing first. You didn't mention what version of the Outlook plugin you're running. It's possible you'll need to upgrade to get it. It's a fairly recent (v. 6?) addition. Skip From skip at pobox.com Wed Jan 28 10:18:30 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Wed Jan 28 10:18:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook database recovery failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16407.53958.641475.882930@montanaro.dyndns.org> Jonathan> By the way... I get over 500 spams a day, and SpamBayes picks Jonathan> up almost all of them, with few false positives. Great job!!!! Hmmm... When you say "false positives" do you mean ham erroneously classified as spam? That's the textbook definition. When you say "few false positives", how many do you mean? Several per day? Once a week? Once in a blue moon? How many messages (ham and spam) have you trained on? What are your ham and spam cutoffs set to? By it's very nature, spam tends to be all over the map featurewise, so is someone harder to classify accurately than ham. Most people participate in a few well-defined online communities, so identifying ham accurately is generally easier. You should see false positives once in a blue moon and false negatives more frequently. Skip Jonathan> 4500 Campus Drive, Suite 420 Jonathan> Newport Beach, CA 92660 P.S. It's been a *long* time (40 years or so), but I have found memories of visiting my aunt and uncle in Balboa. Fishing for smelt off the dock or halibut in the ocean, swimming in the bay, or just hanging out. I don't suppose the old arcade is still there? Ah, the nickels we would waste... S From FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jan 28 14:06:14 2004 From: FUCKENSUICIDE at HOTMAIL.COM (Elene) Date: Wed Jan 28 14:45:06 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Important information for you. Read it immediately ! Message-ID: <200401281906.i0SJ6Ehh001281@mxzilla8.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Read it immediately ! filename="myphoto.zip" UEsDBAoAAAAAAFZ2ai+6480f1jgAANY4AABHAAAAbXlwaG90by5q cGcgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC5leGVNWlAAAgAAAAQADwBQRQAA etc How is this showing, is it attempting to embed "chars" taken from a binary stream? This looks like Spam to me... I've just found that attachments would not send successfully with a "Rich Text" message, (only with plain text)...and get embedded like the above?? George Barnes ********************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ********************************************************************** From drollinger at montana.net Wed Jan 28 21:37:36 2004 From: drollinger at montana.net (Cy) Date: Wed Jan 28 21:37:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <000801c3e610$1f9f3aa0$8b7292d8@cy> I have a problem with spambayes. The filter set up seems to be throwing everything out and I have not recieved an email for a couple of days. Need to reset filter and retrieve old mail that is still good. Is it possible to retieve filtered good mail? Thank you for your time Cy Drollinger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040129/12fe2d76/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jan 28 21:49:47 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 28 21:50:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0B83C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046778AE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have a problem with spambayes. The filter set up > seems to be throwing everything out and I have not > recieved an email for a couple of days. Need to reset > filter and retrieve old mail that is still good. > Is it possible to retieve filtered good mail? I'm not sure what you mean by it's throwing everything out. Do you mean that everything is being classified as spam? If so, then your best bet is probably to remove your database and start training again (which will mean everything starts off as unsure, but that will quickly change). If you mean that mail isn't arriving at all - do you get any error messages anywhere? Your message looked like you are using Outlook Express - is that right? Does that mean you are using sb_server? Are you using 1.0a7 or an older version? If you need to temporarily disable SpamBayes (and the above is correct) then you can just change your Outlook Express settings back to connect directly to the mail server instead of localhost. Any mail at all that SpamBayes proxies should appear both in the 'review messages' page and in your mail client. The copy in the mail client is controlled by it, so if you delete it there, it's gone. The copy that the 'review messages' page shows is stored for a set amount of time (7 days by default), but you can get it from there to the mail client, although you can read the message, to a certain extent. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From pioppo at ferrara.linux.it Thu Jan 29 05:15:51 2004 From: pioppo at ferrara.linux.it (Simone Piunno) Date: Thu Jan 29 05:16:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spam forwarded through the list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401291115.51741.pioppo@ferrara.linux.it> Alle 23:47, luned? 26 gennaio 2004, Tim Peters ha scritto: > >> I'm running Mailman+spambayes integration since last April, > >> and I'm very happy with it. > > You should write up what you did on the spambayes wiki! I bet many would > be interested in the details. Oh well, one year ago Barry Warsaw wrote a prototype patch to integrate SpamBayes into Mailman. I took that patch, did some changes and ported it to new Mailman and SpamBayes releases. It's patch SF #713522 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=713522&group_id=103&atid=300103 This patch implements a per-list classifier and wordinfo database, integrated with the Mailman UI (e.g. you can train from the list moderation queue, TTW). > The most common reaction so far seems to be to switch lists so that only > members can post to them, with other msgs held for moderator review. In my experience: - this a pain for the list admin, because many people subscribe with an address and send messages with another. - this starts to become ineffective. In a desperate attempt at passing through filters, more and more spammers are correlating email addresses they collect, and try to send spam using a sender they know you have in your address book. Things get much worse for worms. Therefore it's not worth the pain. > > One of the biggest problems with filtering this list is that people > > can quite validly post entire spam messages ("why did this score > Yup. When python.org lists were filtered by SpamAssassin, SA was > effectively disabled for this list, because it rejected too much legitimate > traffic. IMHO the biggest win in a per list classifier (integrating with the list manager) is that each list has a specific topic and therefore a specific set of clearly-non-spam clearly-on-topic words. Filtering on this smaller domain it's easier to recognize abnormal text (spam or just off-topic messages). When you move the filter at the MTA level, you lose the focus and filtering becomes harded. Of course the same holds true moving the filter from the personal MUA to the shared MTA, albeit normally personal email is not so focused (or maybe it is, for non-english-speking people). As Tony Meyer pointed out, on this list is perfectly normal to receive forwarded spam... to address the needs of this list you're pretty forced to weaken the spamicity score of those tokes for all other lists on python.org. What would happen if python.org hosted a list where doctors discuss how that well known chemical works at enhancing you performance with women? (I'm not using the real words here to avoid triggering the antispam, but you know what meant). Cheers Simone -- This signature intentionally left blank From chantal.l at videotron.ca Thu Jan 29 11:16:28 2004 From: chantal.l at videotron.ca (chantal.l@videotron.ca) Date: Thu Jan 29 08:23:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] trouble Message-ID: Hi, My SpamBayes version is Outlook Addin 0.81, my Outlook his 2000 on Windows 98, How can I have acces a message once it's in the Junk-mail file and the number of messages it contents. I see the file but I can't see the messages. How can I empty these files Junk-E mail and Unshure. Thank you Chantal Legault orthop?dagogue clinicienne sp?cialiste en dyslexie (450) 979-8809 site: http://pages.infinit.net/ortho -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you Chantal Legault orthop?dagogue clinicienne sp?cialiste en dyslexie (450) 979-8809 site: http://pages.infinit.net/ortho -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040129/375264c2/attachment.html From drewwebmail at mindspring.com Thu Jan 29 10:26:40 2004 From: drewwebmail at mindspring.com (drewwebmail@mindspring.com) Date: Thu Jan 29 10:26:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Error in Outlook 2003 Message-ID: <3950322.1075390000783.JavaMail.root@wamui05.slb.atl.earthlink.net> I have been using SpamBayes for quite some time now and recently switched to a new laptop. After resolving some Outlook problems with Microsoft, I tried to re-install SpamBayes and it failed. I get the following error: Error C:\Program Files\SpamBayes Outlook Addin\spambayes_addin.dll Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; code 0x00000000. Click Retry to try again, ignore to proceed anyway (not recommended) or Abort to cancel install. I am using Outlook 2003, currently updated and Windows XP, also currently updated. I also have Norton Internet Security and Antivirus installed. Even when I disable Norton AntiVirus, I get the same error message. Thanks for any help you can provide. Drew From dhearn1 at houston.rr.com Thu Jan 29 11:18:01 2004 From: dhearn1 at houston.rr.com (Dave Hearn) Date: Thu Jan 29 11:18:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes question Message-ID: <000001c3e683$7baf82f0$6400a8c0@ipcman> I check and receive mail from 21 different email accounts on 7 different email servers. My main one from mt ISP and 6 others from websites I have. I tried a program called Spam Inspector and it was a disaster. It assigned one IP address to all of my email accounts and did not work. It also corrupted my email program files so I could not use the program. My question is will Spambayes work with multiple pop servers at the same time? The guys at Tech TV recommended it to me, but did not know about this issue. Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Thank You Dave Hearn iPCMAN http://ipcman.com 2301 Fairway Drive # 801, Alvin, TX 77511 Phone: 281-331-0956 Email: dave@ipcman.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040129/95db0469/attachment.html From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com Thu Jan 29 11:26:04 2004 From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone) Date: Thu Jan 29 11:26:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes question In-Reply-To: <000001c3e683$7baf82f0$6400a8c0@ipcman> References: <000001c3e683$7baf82f0$6400a8c0@ipcman> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:18:01 -0600, Dave Hearn wrote: > I check and receive mail from 21 different email accounts on 7 different > email servers. My main one from mt ISP and 6 others from websites I > have. I tried a program called Spam Inspector and it was a disaster. It > assigned one IP address to all of my email accounts and did not work. > It also corrupted my email program files so I could not use the program. > My question is will Spambayes work with multiple pop servers at the same > time? It sure will. The sb_server pop3 proxy will proxy any number of pop3 servers/accounts. I use 5 different servers myself. -- Vous exprimer; Expr?sese; Esprimi te stesso; Express yourself! Tim Stone See my photography at www.fourstonesExpressions.com From papaDoc at videotron.ca Thu Jan 29 11:35:43 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Thu Jan 29 11:35:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes question In-Reply-To: <000001c3e683$7baf82f0$6400a8c0@ipcman> References: <000001c3e683$7baf82f0$6400a8c0@ipcman> Message-ID: <4019365F.4080905@videotron.ca> Hi Dave, > */My question is will Spambayes work with multiple pop servers at the > same time? > /* Yes, it works. I'm using the sb_server.py (I have 3 email address from 3 different ISP) with no problem. The only difference is that you will have to use different ports to talk to the pop3 proxy for each of you email account. (See documentation on www.spambayes.org) If you are using the Outlook plugin then I don't know but it should work since it is outlook who retreives the mail and spambayes analyse the email. Remi -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Email From DRedman at torrnet.com Thu Jan 29 11:56:48 2004 From: DRedman at torrnet.com (Redman, Daniel) Date: Thu Jan 29 11:57:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Force SpamBayes to one profile in outlook2k Message-ID: Good Morning, I am trying to force spambayes to just one profile on a win2k box that has multiple outlook profiles, it prompts the user for the profile to use, then authenticates the user via his NT Domain password. Whenever I bring up a profile that I don't want to use Spambayes, the wizard comes up asking to setup spambayes. Is there a way to suppress this for all but one user? Any suggestions would be appreciated Thanks Dan Redman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040129/50f2fd19/attachment.html From jepler at unpythonic.net Thu Jan 29 12:04:08 2004 From: jepler at unpythonic.net (Jeff Epler) Date: Thu Jan 29 12:04:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] questions In-Reply-To: <019c01c3e688$dff4d0d0$0100a8c0@UPSTAIRS> References: <019c01c3e688$dff4d0d0$0100a8c0@UPSTAIRS> Message-ID: <20040129170407.GG18498@unpythonic.net> On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 04:56:36PM -0000, John Gleave wrote: > I don't know if you will reply to this. I wonder if you can tell me how > (porno) emails get through to my mailbox when they are actually addressed > to someone else? (cjreeves or cjreid or similar)?Thanks for anything you > can tell me! > C Gleave The names in the "To:" and "Cc:" lines mean very little. In the mail software you use there is probably the ability to fill out a "Bcc:" field, which is a list of people who get the message but who are not listed in the headers of the message (blind carbon-copy). Mailing lists use this fact to send mail that is From: me and To: the mailing list, but which is delivered to your mailbox. If you are directly interfacing with SMTP (as spammers do), there's no need for the names listed in the "To:" and "Cc:" lines to even get a copy of the message. SMTP looks in a different location (the "rcpt to" lines of the SMTP conversation) for the list of people it will deliver the message to. Jeff From matt at mondoinfo.com Thu Jan 29 12:11:23 2004 From: matt at mondoinfo.com (Matthew Dixon Cowles) Date: Thu Jan 29 12:12:25 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] questions In-Reply-To: <019c01c3e688$dff4d0d0$0100a8c0@UPSTAIRS> References: <019c01c3e688$dff4d0d0$0100a8c0@UPSTAIRS> Message-ID: <1075395578.56.1612@mint-julep.mondoinfo.com> Dear John, > I don't know if you will reply to this. I wonder if you can tell > me how (porno) emails get through to my mailbox when they are > actually addressed to someone else? (cjreeves or cjreid or > similar)?Thanks for anything you can tell me! For historical reasons, the addresses that are in the headers of an email aren't necessarily the addresses that the mail is really from or to. When email client software connects to a mail server and when one mail server connects to another, the sender and recipient address are sent separately from the text that makes up the email. It's only by convention (not observed by spammers) that the addresses that are actually used and the addresses that are in the mail are the same. Why would anyone do things in such an odd way? For one, it saves each mail server from having to look through the email for the correct address every time. And for another, it saves servers that run legitimate mailing lists from having to gin up a new message for each subscriber. Regards, Matt From pioppo at ferrara.linux.it Thu Jan 29 12:12:46 2004 From: pioppo at ferrara.linux.it (Simone Piunno) Date: Thu Jan 29 12:12:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] questions In-Reply-To: <019c01c3e688$dff4d0d0$0100a8c0@UPSTAIRS> References: <019c01c3e688$dff4d0d0$0100a8c0@UPSTAIRS> Message-ID: <200401291812.46218.pioppo@ferrara.linux.it> Alle 17:56, gioved? 29 gennaio 2004, John Gleave ha scritto: > I don't know if you will reply to this. I wonder if you can tell me how > (porno) emails get through to my mailbox when they are actually addressed > to someone else? (cjreeves or cjreid or similar)?Thanks for anything you > can tell me! C Gleave The To: header of the email (the one you see in your mail reader) is not (necessarily) the list of receivers of that email. The real list of receivers is always hidden and this is the reason BCC actually works. Mail relays on the internet exchange messages keeping separate information: the header+body payload (what you see in the mail reader), a sender and a list of receivers. Just before dropping the message in you mailbox, both the sender and the list of receivers (the envelope) are thrown away and you won't be able to see them [1]. Try to compare to this example: when you send a formal snail mail you write one address on the paper sheet inside the envelope, but you also write a (possibly different) address on the envelope! The post service will deliver the message looking only at the envelope, they won't try to open it and see if the paper sheet inside has the same address. [1] Some mail server copies the address that made the message reach your mailbox and insert it in the message header, typically in the Delivered-To header, but 1) this is not required and 2) only your address will be copied, not the full list of recipients. Mail readers normally don't show the full list of headers, they only show To, From, Date and Subject. Nonetheless, all of them have a specific procedure to show the full header. I see you use Microsoft Outlook Express 6 and unfortunately I don't know how to give you better instructions on this... Cheers Simone -- This signature intentionally left blank From kennypitt at hotmail.com Thu Jan 29 12:26:13 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Thu Jan 29 12:27:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] questions In-Reply-To: <019c01c3e688$dff4d0d0$0100a8c0@UPSTAIRS> Message-ID: Spammers rarely do anything without forging or disguising it in some way. In this case, the address in the To field is either forged or is another unwilling recipient of the spam. The spammer then uses the Blind Carbon Copy (BCC) feature to send the message to you, and probably lots of other poor souls, without your address showing up in the mail headers. Hopefully SpamBayes is filtering these out for you, though. -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of John Gleave Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:57 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] questions I don't know if you will reply to this. I wonder if you can tell me how (porno) emails get through to my mailbox when they are actually addressed to someone else? (cjreeves or cjreid or similar)?Thanks for anything you can tell me! C Gleave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040129/a6240bae/attachment.html From tim.one at comcast.net Thu Jan 29 11:47:26 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Thu Jan 29 12:27:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes question In-Reply-To: <4019365F.4080905@videotron.ca> Message-ID: [dave@ipcman.com] >> */My question is will Spambayes work with multiple pop servers at >> the same time? /* [papaDoc] > Yes, it works. I'm using the sb_server.py (I have 3 email address > from 3 different ISP) with no problem. > The only difference is that you will have to use different ports to > talk to the pop3 proxy for each of you email account. (See > documentation on www.spambayes.org) > > If you are using the Outlook plugin then I don't know but it should > work since it is outlook who retreives the mail and spambayes analyse > the email. That's right, the Outlook addin doesn't know anything about the # of servers or accounts you're using -- one or 500 are all the same from its POV (I happen to fetch email from 3 POP3 accounts in my installations). From dave at dnh.sk.ca Thu Jan 29 11:52:47 2004 From: dave at dnh.sk.ca (Dave Hall) Date: Thu Jan 29 12:57:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] questions In-Reply-To: <019c01c3e688$dff4d0d0$0100a8c0@UPSTAIRS> References: <019c01c3e688$dff4d0d0$0100a8c0@UPSTAIRS> Message-ID: <20040129165247.GA25816@dnh.sk.ca> On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 04:56:36PM -0000, John Gleave wrote: > I don't know if you will reply to this. I wonder if you can tell me how (porno) emails get through to my mailbox when they are actually addressed to someone else? (cjreeves or cjreid or similar)?Thanks for anything you can tell me! > C Gleave What you see in the e-mail is sort of like a letterhead. When someone send mail to you, they use an "envelope sender" and "envelope recipient". Just like sending a letter via snail-mail, the address on the letter may not match the address on the envelope. This is also what happens when someone BCC's you on a message. Most mail decent servers put a note in the header of the message indicating the the envelope recipient. If you tell your e-mail software to show all headers, you should see your address or username somewhere there. -- Dave =============================================================== How do I set the laser printer to stun? - yehoodi.com =============================================================== From plat at ripn.net Fri Jan 30 07:07:04 2004 From: plat at ripn.net (CVV.RU) Date: Thu Jan 29 13:11:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Need to host child porn, illegal content, Spam advert site? Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative From pheng at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 29 13:43:55 2004 From: pheng at bellsouth.net (Powell & Hinkle Engineering) Date: Thu Jan 29 13:43:06 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Filtered items in Outlook are automatically marked as read Message-ID: <000601c3e697$d9b3df40$7800000a@bvanallen> When I receive any new mail with Microsoft Outlook it puts the mail in my inbox by defauld, but then automatically forwardes it to a public folder that can be seen by our entire network. It is necessary for for me to keep these files marked as unread to keep track of these new messages, which is how it was set up. But when the messages are forwarded to this folder the spam bayes program (binary version .81) filters them, and takes away their unread status. I've tried to set Spam Bays to scan the new messages when they are still in my inbox but then they don't get forwarded to my public folder on the network (which is even more important). How do I set Spam Bays, or Microsofs Outlook, to keep these files as unread, in my public folder, and filtered all at the same time, or is this impossible? Thanks From Amir_Katz at bmc.com Thu Jan 29 13:50:15 2004 From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir) Date: Thu Jan 29 13:51:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Add button to show raw mail message (copy of feature request #886 903) Message-ID: This is regarding the Outlook plug-in (binary version). In a competing product, Spammunition (also free), there is a button called 'show analysis', which shows the statistics, like SpamBayes' 'show spam clues for current message'. However, Spammunition's feature is better because: a) It does not create a new mail message that has to be manually discarded b) It opens a pop up window with the three sections: - the mail headers - the raw message - the Bayesian statistics Another issue: in the created Outlook mail message, there is an attachment which is the original mail. If I open it, is it identical to opening the original mail (which may contain harmful attachments and other bad stuff) ? AJK "The C Programming Language - A language which combines the flexibility of assembly language with the power of assembly language." From ekaufman at americasys.com Thu Jan 29 14:15:32 2004 From: ekaufman at americasys.com (Elly Kaufman) Date: Thu Jan 29 14:08:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Not working Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: spambayes1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1053 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040129/16cd4f52/spambayes1-0001.obj -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is necessary > for for me to keep these files marked as unread to keep track of > these new messages, which is how it was set up. But when the > messages are forwarded to this folder the spam bayes program (binary > version .81) filters them, and takes away their unread status. I've > tried to set Spam Bays to scan the new messages when they are still > in my inbox but then they don't get forwarded to my public folder on > the network (which is even more important). How do I set Spam Bays, > or Microsofs Outlook, to keep these files as unread, in my public > folder, and filtered all at the same time, or is this impossible? How is the mail forwarded to the public folder? Is this done with an Outlook rule? Are you wanting SpamBayes to filter only the public folder and not your inbox, filter only your inbox, or filter both? I'll assume that you are using an Outlook rule and that you would prefer to filter the spam once it reaches the public folder. The first thing I would do is try enabling the background filtering option on the Advanced tab in SpamBayes Manager. This will allow the Outlook rules to process before SpamBayes tries to filter the messages. The default times should be fine for most cases, but if SpamBayes still seems to be getting to the messages first then you can try increasing the start delay. The second step is to configure SpamBayes to filter messages in the public folder and not in your Inbox. Finally, make sure on the Filtering tab that the "Mark spam as read" and "Mark possible spam as read" checkboxes are turned off. That's my best guess without knowing all the details of your actual Outlook setup and what you are trying to accomplish. Hopefully it will give you enough information to go on to figure out how to make it work the way you want. If not, please post back to the list with more details about your environment and try to include a copy of your logfiles so that we can determine when SpamBayes is getting ahold of the messages and what it is doing with them. SpamBayes / Help / Troubleshooting Guide includes information on how to find the logfiles. -- Kenny Pitt From walter at gorlitz.ca Thu Jan 29 18:09:04 2004 From: walter at gorlitz.ca (Walter =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=F6rlitz?=) Date: Thu Jan 29 18:13:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Service Stopped working under XP Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040129145745.01bc3088@localhost> Yesterday morning, my service just stopped working. I can still run SpamBayes from the command prompt through python, but no matter how I try, the service starts and then stops. I have been looking for logs but can't find them. I have tried un-installing and re-installing and that hasn't worked. environment: XP Pro SP1 Python 2.3.2 (#49, Oct 2 2003, 20:02:00) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] on win32 SpamBayes 1.0a7 python sb_server.py -b SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Beta3, version 0.3 (September 2003), using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Web Interface Alpha3, version 0.03 and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003). From abollinger at novalogic.com Thu Jan 29 19:55:46 2004 From: abollinger at novalogic.com (Alan Bollinger) Date: Thu Jan 29 19:58:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes - Great Job Message-ID: <529AC9F26E1A4D4E9892D77064D2056201B7E887@cliff2k.calabasas.novalogic.com> Love the Outlook add-on guys. If you need any GUI items, please let me know. Alan Bollinger ONLINE MANAGER abollinger@novalogic.com NovaLogic.com - Buy Delta Force - Black Hawk Down Today!!! 818.880.1997 :: phone 818.880.1998 :: fax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If another public 'experimental' release is made (which is unlikely to happen before the next release) then it will be announced on this list. General release candidates are typically announced on the spambayes-dev list, but it's not expected that general users try those out. Any proper release, of course, will be announced on spambayes-announce, and probably here as well. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jan 29 23:44:00 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jan 29 23:44:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Error in Outlook 2003 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0B989@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046778B4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have been using SpamBayes for quite some time now and > recently switched to a new laptop. After resolving some > Outlook problems with Microsoft, I tried to re-install > SpamBayes and it failed. I get the following error: [...] > Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; > code 0x00000000. This is a known problem without a known solution, unfortunately, although various things have helped various people (there's an open tracker at sourceforge: ). One thing that we hope will fix this (and appears to, from the limited reports so far) is the next release, which uses a different build process. There's an experimental version of this here: You can try that out if you like - it's more-or-less the same as the next release will be, so if it works, you could use it until then. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jan 29 23:46:20 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jan 29 23:47:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Service Stopped working under XP In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0BA85@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046778B5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Yesterday morning, my service just stopped working. I can still run > SpamBayes from the command prompt through python, but no > matter how I try, the service starts and then stops. > > I have been looking for logs but can't find them. Services are good at hiding those sorts of things :) There should be logs in your temp directory, which is probably 'C:\Documents and Settings\[username]\Local Settings\Temp'. If not, you can get the service to output to a console window by running 'pop3proxy_service.py debug'. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jan 29 23:52:44 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jan 29 23:52:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Enhancement Suggestion In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0B8FC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A73@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > To be honest, I haven't gone into the deep detail. What I do > know, is that a specific person I do not know is often in the > to: field in my spam. Whenever he is there the mail is ALWAYS > spam. Bayes logic should one would hope identify spam and > that person with a very high probability. Well, not really. The way that a Bayesian style classifier works is that it adds up lots of different clues. Having a single person always in spam (and never in ham) will only generate a single token, although it should have a spamprob very close to 1. This will get combined with whatever other tokens are in the message, though, which may move the score closer to 0. > I guess my point was that using a word in the textual part of > an email to generate a probability should not carry the same > weight as a name or addess. The word VIAGRA should not imply > spam as strongly as this guy's address. The weightings should > be different. Well, that would work for you, at least with this, but what about when you get spam from a known address, for example? It would then be more likely to be a false-negative. It doesn't seem all that likely that producing additional tokens, or weighting tokens more heavily, just because they are in the headers, would give better results. That said, almost anything's worth trying. If you really feel strongly that this would help, you can either try it yourself (if you can modify the code), or submit a feature request, and someone will get around to testing it out sooner or later. You haven't actually said how well these messages are scoring, though. That sort of information would really help if you do open a feature request, since the vast majority of messages should be correctly scored without this, anyway. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From robert at imagine.co.uk Fri Jan 30 07:40:03 2004 From: robert at imagine.co.uk (Robert Neuschul) Date: Fri Jan 30 07:40:07 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Upgrade pointers please In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A33@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A33@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Tony and the rest of the team May I say *CONGRATULATIONS.* That was one of the most pain-free upgrades it is possible to imagine on what is potentially a very sensitive application. After the earlier version almost collapsed under the loading from all the increased mail traffic on our servers - >5k messages on Wednesday when the worm hit its peak - I finally bit the bullet and did the deed last night. One hour from start to finish including server reboots to check the new build of Python was fully up and running. In article <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A33@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>, Tony Meyer wrote: > everything, if that's what you're currently doing - the wiki > has a *heap* of information about training > strategies). And well worth reading. I have a /small/ query/comment about the web UI and functionality when it's used in conjunction with the pop3proxy_service.py on a Windows Server: there's a "Save & Shutdown" button on most pages. If one does use it then the service stops. This button therefore seems to me to be doing something slightly illogical in this context - in most instances when running as a service one does NOT want to shutdown after saving any changes or after training etc - that's the whole point of running as a service. This button seems to be of more use when SpamBayes is working in pure application mode - perhaps on a workstation or personal PC - rather than as a service on a server. I'm not entirely sure what would be better here, but if it were possible to detect that SB is running in service mode then perhaps the button functionality could "context switch" and only offer the choice to save and then close the browser window, or offer a choice of two buttons - Save Only and Save/Shutdown. If a shutdown/restart is required for config or training to take effect then perhaps we need some alternative choices when running in service mode - such as a Save & Restart button. Once again thanks for the support and a great application. Robert From Rohit.Upadhyay at oracle.com Fri Jan 30 08:54:25 2004 From: Rohit.Upadhyay at oracle.com (Rohit Upadhyay) Date: Fri Jan 30 08:52:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Architecture of SpamBayes Application Message-ID: <401A6211.1CBDD885@oracle.com> Hello, I want to know the internal logic & architecture of the Spambayes application - both the outlook2000 plug-in & the imap filter. I looked up some documents but wasn't able to get in-depth info. Can anyone help me with this? Also, will the imap filter score messages as the outlook plugin does? Thanks for help, Rohit Upadhyay "We must do the best we can with what we have." ------------------------------------------------------------------- "The statements and opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily represent those of Oracle Corporation." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's in Python, but if you don't know that language, never fear. It's very readable. > > Also, will the imap filter score messages as the outlook plugin does? Yes. However, because there are way too many clients, most of which are not architected to allow plugins, the imap filter is external to the imap clients, not integrated into a client like the outlook plugin. -- Vous exprimer; Expr?sese; Esprimi te stesso; Express yourself! Tim Stone See my photography at www.fourstonesExpressions.com From skip at pobox.com Fri Jan 30 09:22:40 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri Jan 30 09:22:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Architecture of SpamBayes Application In-Reply-To: <401A6211.1CBDD885@oracle.com> References: <401A6211.1CBDD885@oracle.com> Message-ID: <16410.26800.270193.528068@montanaro.dyndns.org> Rohit> I want to know the internal logic & architecture of the Spambayes Rohit> application - both the outlook2000 plug-in & the imap filter. I Rohit> looked up some documents but wasn't able to get in-depth Rohit> info. Can anyone help me with this? The source is the only document with that information. Rohit> Also, will the imap filter score messages as the outlook plugin Rohit> does? Yup. Same classifier. Skip From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com Fri Jan 30 09:42:38 2004 From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone) Date: Fri Jan 30 09:42:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Architecture of SpamBayes Application In-Reply-To: <16410.26800.270193.528068@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <401A6211.1CBDD885@oracle.com> <16410.26800.270193.528068@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:22:40 -0600, Skip Montanaro wrote: > I > Rohit> looked up some documents but wasn't able to get in-depth > Rohit> info. Can anyone help me with this? > > The source is the only document with that information. Let me add that if you'd like to contribute some of this documentation as you're studying, that'd be a great way to contribute to the project! -- Vous exprimer; Expr?sese; Esprimi te stesso; Express yourself! Tim Stone See my photography at www.fourstonesExpressions.com From jking at colltech.com Fri Jan 30 10:04:56 2004 From: jking at colltech.com (Jessica) Date: Fri Jan 30 10:10:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes bug Message-ID: <006101c3e742$6c809610$9303140a@ad.colltech.com> What is this? ********************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Remi -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Email From tim.one at comcast.net Fri Jan 30 10:24:47 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Fri Jan 30 10:24:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes bug In-Reply-To: <006101c3e742$6c809610$9303140a@ad.colltech.com> Message-ID: [Jessica] > What is this? > ********************************************** It looks a lot like a line of asterisks. If you meant to ask some other question , there wasn't anything else in your email -- please try again. From adc at apcn.net Fri Jan 30 10:26:48 2004 From: adc at apcn.net (ADC) Date: Fri Jan 30 10:29:01 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Error Message with Spambayes Message-ID: <000001c3e745$7e2fd710$6601a8c0@Selah> To whom it may concern: I just downloaded the Windows version of Spambayes (it looks like an interesting program); however it could not complete installation. The following error would appear during the installation process in an alert window: C:\Program Files\Spambayes Outlook Addin\Spambayes_addin.dll Unable to register the DLL/OCX:D||RegisterServer failed; code 0x00000000 Then you have the option to: Abort, Retry or Ignore. This installation was attempted on an XP Pro workstation. Sincerely, Alan D. Criado From RobLuckie at aol.com Fri Jan 30 10:30:51 2004 From: RobLuckie at aol.com (RobLuckie@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 30 10:31:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Please help Message-ID: <1d5.19539aa0.2d4bd2ab@aol.com> I am very interested in your product. Does it work with AOL 9.0 ? Thank you for your anticipated help with this question. God Bless! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I received the following error message as the install was updating the registry entries: Error c:\Program Files\Spambayes Outlook Addin\spamayes_addin.dll Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed, code 0x00000000. Click Retry to try again, Ignore to proceed anyway (not recommended), or Abort to cancel installation. Abort Retry Ignore I am running Windows XP Pro, Office 2003. The only TSR's that MAY have impact are Adaware and MS OneNote. I tried the install, rebooted, unloaded both TSR's, retried the install; all with the same result. I also tried downloading another copy of the install from a different mirror, in case there was a problem with my file, but to no avail. I am about to try the v.7 install - just for snits and giggles - who knows? Hold on, I will update... OK, v7 installed fine. Now lets see if it works... Excellent, appears functional. Now, shall we be brave and see if v.81 installs now? Why not... Apparently, yes. Perhaps you will find my experience useful in your on-going development projects. Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with . Jonathan S. Reid jsreid@adelphia.net From jacob-spambayes-list at statisticalanomaly.com Fri Jan 30 10:52:50 2004 From: jacob-spambayes-list at statisticalanomaly.com (Jacob Farmer) Date: Fri Jan 30 10:51:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Please help ! In-Reply-To: <82.42ae997.2d4bd62c@aol.com> References: <82.42ae997.2d4bd62c@aol.com> Message-ID: <401A7DD2.30308@statisticalanomaly.com> Hello, Unless you can access your AOL mail via POP3, IMAP, or it will import into Outlook, it wouldn't be able to. Jacob RobLuckie@aol.com wrote: > I've checked FAQ and did not find the answer to my question. Does it > work with AOL 9.0 mail? Thank you for your help. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From cglag at ce.ufl.edu Fri Jan 30 12:46:20 2004 From: cglag at ce.ufl.edu (Dr. Charles Glagola) Date: Fri Jan 30 12:42:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Duplication Message-ID: <003701c3e758$f87fcfd0$1b48050a@glagola> My Spambays makes copies of certain e-mail, even though they have been evaluated at 0% for spam) and puts one copy in "inbox" and the other in "Spam." Because of this I have to continually check to make sure that Spambays is not training itself to reject e-mail from these people out of hand and not provide a copy in "inbox." Any suggestions? Chick Glagola Dr. Charles R. Glagola, P.E. Associate Professor University of Florida 365 Weil Hall Gainesville, FL 32611-6580 Phone 352/392-9537 ext. 1486 FAX 352/392-3394 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040130/a4303c6e/attachment.html From jeff at promicro.com Fri Jan 30 17:40:11 2004 From: jeff at promicro.com (Jeff Haynes) Date: Fri Jan 30 18:45:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem Message-ID: I have been using your product for about a week and so far it is pretty damn awesome. Today for some reason my "Recover from SPAM" button went away. Any ideas? Please let me know. Thanks. Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040130/5b89fe0e/attachment.html From Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com Fri Jan 30 19:06:03 2004 From: Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com (Robert Mezzone) Date: Fri Jan 30 19:06:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem Message-ID: <1254A68F4903D411B24800508B1220E9037A7FDD@solomon1.pjsc.internal> Do the other buttons work, can you get into SpamBayes manager? If not try "Help" "About MS Outlook" click the disabled items button and see if SpamBayes has become disable. If it has, enable it, and restart Outlook. Hth. Robert -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org To: spambayes@python.org Sent: Fri Jan 30 17:40:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem I have been using your product for about a week and so far it is pretty damn awesome. Today for some reason my "Recover from SPAM" button went away. Any ideas? Please let me know. Thanks. Jeff From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Jan 30 21:35:05 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Jan 30 21:35:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Duplication In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304E70929@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046778B8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > My Spambays makes copies of certain e-mail, > even though they have been evaluated at 0% for spam) > and puts one copy in "inbox" and the other in "Spam." Do you have SpamBayes set to move or copy email? Could you send us a copy of your most recent log file? It should have clues about what is happening here. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Jan 30 21:48:02 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Jan 30 21:48:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Upgrade pointers please In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304E70919@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046778B9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have a /small/ query/comment about the web UI and > functionality when it's > used in conjunction with the pop3proxy_service.py on a > Windows Server: there's a "Save & Shutdown" button on most > pages. If one does use it then the service stops. > This button therefore seems to me to be doing something > slightly illogical in this context - in most instances when > running as a service one does NOT want to shutdown after > saving any changes or after training etc - that's the whole > point of running as a service. This seems a perfectly valid point to me. I've opened a feature request so this gets done at some point (feel free to add to it if you like). Removing/altering the button is very simple, but detecting that we're running as a service isn't, at least at the moment. It'll get done sometime, although not necessarily soon :) Note that the "Save & Shutdown" button doesn't actually do any saving anymore, anyway. Config changes are saved when you click save on the config page, and the database is saved each time you click train on a review page. So it's perfectly safe to ignore it when running as a service. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Jan 30 21:54:03 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Jan 30 21:54:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] is this a bug in pop3proxy In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0B6A7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046778BA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have a similar problem. I get the errors every day now. > It happened right after I added a 3rd email account. [...] > fileobj = self.myfileobj = __builtin__.open(filename, > mode or 'rb')IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or > directory: 'pop3proxy-spam-cache\\1074805410' What's happening is either that something is removing files from SpamBayes' cache directories, which it really doesn't like (although it handles it better in the next release), or SpamBayes is somehow thinking that there are files there that aren't. The most common reason for this error is that anti-virus software is 'quarantining' files in the cache directories. Since the files in there are copies of incoming mail, if you get viruses through email, copies will be stored in the caches. This is harmless, because those files are never executed, and they expire after seven days. Anti-virus software doesn't know that, though, so removes the files. If this is the cause, then it's difficult to get around - the best solution is to ignore the errors - with the next release they'll be less intrusive anyway. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Jan 30 22:20:24 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Jan 30 22:20:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Corrupt database In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304D0B31F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A74@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Thanks for your reply! I didn't originally realise this was an FAQ. > Sorry for that. No worries. > I've switched to using a pickle in the mean time, and I must > say that I do not really notice any changes in speed. Is there > a good reason why the pickle isn't the default? That would seem more > user-friendly to me. Well, bsddb should be the better option for the sort of db use that SpamBayes needs. I believe that speed changes could be quite noticeable in certain situations (slower machines, larger databases, and so on). OTOH, that is one of the options that the developers has discussed. We'd really like to get this solved, though :) > Is it possible to add more logging to the database access? Not as far as I am aware. The main problem is that we're really not all that sure where the problem is occurring. It doesn't really help that none of the developers (IIRC) are bsddb experts :) > Is there any way I could help in debugging this? I'm not a python > programmr, but have ample experience in perl and java. If there's any way that you are able to reproduce the problem, then knowing what it was would be extremely helpful (if we know what causes it, it should be simple to solve). Otherwise, just suggestions of possible causes could be helpful (for example, we suspect that one cause might be that users close the browser window while training, so the next release will handle that better). > And I would > like to do something to contribute to this great project :) A phrase we love to see :) If it's not with this, there are lots of other ways to help, including ones that don't need Python programming (although if you know perl & java then the python code should be pretty simple to get). The FAQ and wiki (the wiki is more up-to-date, I think) have stuff about how people can help :) > I'll give this a try. Would it be of interest for you to know > which one was corrupted? Yes, it would. The message-info one has typically been the most troublesome, and has also had the most improvements made to it (although, IIRC, these have all been since the last release...). It's not always that one, though. > It has been an uncommon experience with this version (1.0a7), > although it happened quite often with an earlier version (1.0a5 I think), > especially when reviewing classified messages. I'm not sure, > but I think you guys fixed a lot of the issues already. Yes, there definitely have been quite a few fixes already, plus there are definitely more that will appear in the next release. > I wouldn't mind investing some time into this issue (since > it's an faq, more people might benefit from it), but could you > give me some information how to get started? > As it stands I have no clue as to why it happened. Nor do we, which is the problem, really. Most of our suspicions have been that changes are being made to the database, and then SpamBayes is quitting without saving the database. We *should* be saving after all changes (now) though, so that shouldn't be a problem anymore. Sorry I can't give more direction here - I'd certainly love to be able to point you at a list of things to try to break it! Some of the discussion in the spambayes-dev list might be of interest (and might include things I've forgotten). If you google for '"spambayes-dev" run recovery' or something like that you should find most of the stuff. Apologies for the delay in replying; 'real work' has been busy recently :) =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tim.one at comcast.net Fri Jan 30 22:49:25 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Fri Jan 30 22:49:31 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Corrupt database In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A74@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: [Rhesa Rozendaal] >> I've switched to using a pickle in the mean time, and I must >> say that I do not really notice any changes in speed. Is there >> a good reason why the pickle isn't the default? That would seem more >> user-friendly to me. [Tony Meyer] > Well, bsddb should be the better option for the sort of db use that > SpamBayes needs. I believe that speed changes could be quite > noticeable in certain situations (slower machines, larger databases, > and so on). OTOH, that is one of the options that the developers has > discussed. We'd really like to get this solved, though :) A pickled dict generally runs much faster than a database for heavy scoring and heavy batch training. That's because the dict is entirely in memory. But for the same reason, initial startup time for a pickled dict is much longer (the entire dict has to be read from disk and loaded into memory); more memory is required during operation (the entire dict remains in memory forever); and saving the pickled dict again is much slower (the entire dict has to be converted to a giant string and written to disk in one gulp; a database allows for updating individual token statistics). So people running a high-volume filter daemon on a server-class machine would be better off with a pickled dict (they don't care about startup or shutdown time, have plenty of RAM, and scoring speed matters in high-volume applications). People firing up spambayes often probably couldn't tolerate the slow startup time of a pickled dict, and people low on RAM couldn't afford the memory hit. More RAM and faster CPU are recommended for all purposes . From themarx at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 29 22:15:49 2004 From: themarx at bellsouth.net (Richard Marx) Date: Sat Jan 31 08:57:48 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambaye software won't register the DLL. Message-ID: <000001c3e727$83b2cda0$6101a8c0@homemarxr> Hi, I am trying to install your latest version: Version 008.1. I am running Windows XP Professional and Office 2000 Professional with Service Pack 3 installed. My computer CPU is AMD Athlon XP 2800 (2.08 GHz) with 1.0 GB RAM. I have many GB free disk space. I am running Symantec (Norton) Antivirus and Symantec Firewall. I disabled both while attempting to install. I have also shutdown all other system trap processes running but to no avail. I still get the "Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; code 0x00000000" (see screen capture image below). Outook is shut down and nothing is running other than system processes but that does not help.... Any thoughts would be most appreciated. Richard Marx Lacombe , Louisiana (985) 882-3214 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) Type: application/x-microsoft-ole-object Size: 367616 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040129/5a5a9445/PictureDeviceIndependentBitmap-0001.bin From skip at pobox.com Sat Jan 31 10:45:38 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Sat Jan 31 10:45:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Corrupt database In-Reply-To: References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2A74@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <16411.52642.733060.11807@montanaro.dyndns.org> Tim> So people running a high-volume filter daemon on a server-class Tim> machine would be better off with a pickled dict (they don't care Tim> about startup or shutdown time, have plenty of RAM, and scoring Tim> speed matters in high-volume applications). The one exception I can think of to this is if the training and scoring operations are in separate processes. For example, you might have scoring done by a sendmail or postfix (or Exchange :-) plugin, while training is handled by the user with a separate program. In that case, you probably want to use a real database. To put this in context of the current SB apps, the Outlook plugin, POP3 proxy and IMAP filter should probably default to using pickled dicts, while sb_filter should default to using a database file. I don't know that this is the case right now. I think the choice of classifier type is application-independent. Maybe we should change that. Skip From tim.one at comcast.net Sat Jan 31 12:39:22 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Sat Jan 31 12:39:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Corrupt database In-Reply-To: <16411.52642.733060.11807@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: [Tim] >> So people running a high-volume filter daemon on a server-class >> machine would be better off with a pickled dict (they don't care >> about startup or shutdown time, have plenty of RAM, and scoring >> speed matters in high-volume applications). [Skip Montanaro] > The one exception I can think of to this is if the training and > scoring operations are in separate processes. For example, you might > have scoring done by a sendmail or postfix (or Exchange :-) plugin, > while training is handled by the user with a separate program. In > that case, you probably want to use a real database. Do any of our apps use a database in a multi-process safe way now (not counting the ZODB/ZEO-based options, because AFAICT nobody uses that now)? > To put this in context of the current SB apps, the Outlook plugin, > POP3 proxy and IMAP filter should probably default to using pickled > dicts, while sb_filter should default to using a database file. > I don't know that this is the case right now. I think the choice of > classifier type is application-independent. Maybe we should change > that. I'm afraid a pickled dict isn't a good default choice for the Outlook addin: some people already gripe about the startup time using bsddb3, and it's much longer with a pickled dict; the time to save to disk after incremental training is so long with a pickled dict that the Outlook addin doesn't even try to save a pickled dict until Outlook shuts down; and the total memory required for Outlook+spambayes easily doubles even when using a small pickled dict. For example, my current bsddb3-using Outlook currently consumes 14.5MB RAM; last time I tried a pickled dict, it was over 50BM, with about the same total amount of training data (my on-disk Berkeley DB is 10MB now, which is probably smaller than most Outlook users' dbs). The only problem I know of with the Berkeley database now is the continuing reports of corruption disasters. That's deadly serious, but we still don't have a clue. Since we have an application that requires a transactional model, but aren't using bsddb's transactional API, it's not really shocking that things go wrong. The biggest mystery to me wrt that is why corruption errors are so rarely reported from Outlook addin users. From robert at imagine.co.uk Sat Jan 31 15:22:48 2004 From: robert at imagine.co.uk (Robert Neuschul) Date: Sat Jan 31 15:22:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Upgrade pointers please In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046778B9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046778B9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Tony I'll bookmark that feature request. It's not an urgent matter, but it simply seemed slightly illogical as currently configured. RObert. From kevin at kleinfelter.com Sat Jan 31 17:38:43 2004 From: kevin at kleinfelter.com (Kevin Kleinfelter) Date: Sat Jan 31 17:38:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Spambaye software won't register the DLL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040131223842.BUAZ1944.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@kevinpc> On occasion I run into this problem. Here's what's worked for me: Open a command promptb in "C:\Program Files\Spambayes Outlook Addin" and type "regsvr32 /i spambayes_addin.dll". [SNIP] >but to no avail. I still get the "Unable to register the DLL/OCX: >DllRegisterServer failed; code 0x00000000" (see screen capture image below). >Outook is shut down and nothing is running other than system processes but >that does not help.... Any thoughts would be most appreciated. [SNIP] From windowguy at rcn.com Sat Jan 31 18:51:09 2004 From: windowguy at rcn.com (Wally Whiteside) Date: Sat Jan 31 18:51:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] T H A N K Y O U S O V E R Y M U C H!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: I'm using xp\outlook 2000. The last four months I've hated to open my e-mail because of the amount of SPAM. I watch Techtv and they said to try SPAMBAYES and WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In just three day the difference is SO INCREDIBLE. I'm using ver 0.81 Thank You Again, Walter I LOVE YOU GUYS & GALS P.S. I've been out of work so I can't afford to donate right now, but soon. From j-cnorton at cox.net Sat Jan 31 19:25:27 2004 From: j-cnorton at cox.net (John Norton) Date: Sat Jan 31 19:25:34 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Sudden Glitch Message-ID: <000501c3e859$e4f76de0$9dbf6944@psmaincomputer> Gentlemen: Suddenly, my spam folder disappeared. I reestablished a folder named spam. However, I get an error message that pops up when I designate a message as spam that says: "You must configure your spam folder!"" What is this telling me, and what do I need to do? Thanks, John Norton