From interscan at oleane.net Thu Apr 1 01:56:41 2004 From: interscan at oleane.net (interscan@oleane.net) Date: Thu Apr 1 01:56:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Virus Alert Message-ID: <200404010656.i316ueFB009824@smtp7.clb.oleane.net> The mail message (file: message.scr) you sent to chiryczuk@bertrand-richelieu.com contains a virus. (on smtp7) From kingkong at callnetuk.com Thu Apr 1 06:50:50 2004 From: kingkong at callnetuk.com (Kingkong) Date: Thu Apr 1 06:50:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question - How do I stop viewed Junk e-mail from being auto deleted? Message-ID: <000a01c417df$9518e8c0$632cbd50@deepblue> Hi I have downloaded and started using Spambayes and it is EXCELLENT! You can see it working and it is 99% right. However I have one problem and I don't know if this is a technical bug, specification bug or I have not got it set up correctly. As I look through the Junk e-mail folder in Outlook (with the preview pane on), the e-mail I last looked at is automatically deleted. What is worse I cannot retreive this email. How do I turn this feature off? Is it possible to retreive the lost emails - This feature has deleted HAM. I can get the sender to resend the lost emails, but now the filter has been corrupted because it thinks HAM was SPAM. Is it possible to repair this damage? I tried marking all the emails in the Junk e-mail folder as being read in order to stop them from being deleted - and they were deleted! Another disaster! Perhaps this is nothing to do with you and is a feature of Outlook please help! regards Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040401/0b24bb26/attachment.html From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com Thu Apr 1 09:06:51 2004 From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone) Date: Thu Apr 1 09:07:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] InBoxer/SpamAtBay beta available. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:17:19 -0800, Charles M. Marko wrote: > Can you please send me the activation code for inboxer as mentioned at: > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2004-March/011776.html? > Thanks! Other than the fact that the inboxer uses our algorithm, we have nothing to do with it. It is a commercial product, and you will have to get the information you need from the company that produces the software. -- Tim Stone From kennypitt at hotmail.com Thu Apr 1 09:36:40 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Thu Apr 1 09:37:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question - How do I stop viewed Junk e-mail from beingauto deleted? In-Reply-To: <000a01c417df$9518e8c0$632cbd50@deepblue> Message-ID: Kingkong wrote: > I have downloaded and started using Spambayes and it is EXCELLENT! > You can see it working and it is 99% right. Excellent! > I tried marking all the emails in the Junk e-mail folder as being > read in order to stop them from being deleted - and they were > deleted! Another disaster! Perhaps this is nothing to do with you > and is a feature of Outlook Sounds like you have your Outlook view set up to show only unread messages. I use Outlook 2003 so menu items may or may not be exactly the same, but if I go to the menu View / Arrange By / Current View there is a selection for "Unread Messages in This Folder". With that option selected, Outlook will hide messages that are marked as read, but it doesn't actually delete them. If you change your view settings to show all messages then they should reappear. You can also use Outlook's Advanced Find function to search for something in one of the messages that disappeared to determine if it is actually still there somewhere. -- Kenny Pitt From dkinser at ucsd.edu Thu Apr 1 09:45:58 2004 From: dkinser at ucsd.edu (Daren Kinser) Date: Thu Apr 1 09:46:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] No Filterable mail items are selected Message-ID: <56967D6D73D84A4BBB1AC05DF7B69F55039A1A@amasmail.audit.ucsd.edu> Thanks for the response Tony. I apologize for the dupe post. My situation as you know was very similar although my messages were received without attachments. The other message, the way I understand it, was unfilterable even after the attachments were removed. Also, SPAMBAYES correctly placed the message into the "Junk Suspects" folder because they were actually SPAM and not from a legitimate sender. Unfortunately I deleted these messages yesterday morning but if I receive anymore I will post to the tracker. This is a minor inconvenience because otherwise SPAMBAYES has been doing a fantastic job for me. I can't say enough good things about it. Again, sorry for the dupe post, and thanks a bunch for the help on this, it's greatly appreciated. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:42 PM To: Daren Kinser; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] No Filterable mail items are selected > Has anyone seen this before? [...] > I received about 4 spam messages, all within about 30 > minutes that appear to be from different sources. When > I select any of these messages and then click > on "Delete As Spam" I get the following message. > > No filterable mail items are selected. > > I can then click OK to clear the message and the spam > messages are still there. All other messages it works fine > with. SpamBayes tries to figure out which messages you have received, and which you haven't (sent items, drafts, etc). (You can filter ones you have received, but not the others). Unfortunately there's not a simple way to do this, so it relies on a few rules that seem to be right almost all the time. There have been a few cases like this where SpamBayes is wrong, and a message has actually been received. There's an open tracker about this: [ 854547 ] message won't filter You can upload a copy of those messages to that tracker, if you like, and we can look at the properties of the message, but it seems unlikely that this will be fixed in the near future. Obviously, you can just move those messages manually, and this should be very rare (if not, then there's much more incentive for it to be quickly fixed). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From JantzL at pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca Thu Apr 1 10:31:26 2004 From: JantzL at pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca (JantzL@pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca) Date: Thu Apr 1 10:32:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help please Message-ID: Yesterday I inadvertently deletes the junk e-mail folder from outlook and can't seem to figure out how to get it back. As a result when the program now detects a potential spam e-mail it goes away (not sure where to) and I do not have a chance to verify that it was spam or not. How do I get it back? Les Jantz Resource Management Biologist Department of Fisheries and Oceans 985 McGill Place, Kamloops, BC, V2C 6X6 Phone - (250) 851-4948 Fax - (250) 851-4873 Cell - (250) 318-1058 E-Mail - jantzl@pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040401/bb96857f/attachment.html From hcherm at vcu.edu Thu Apr 1 10:57:26 2004 From: hcherm at vcu.edu (Herbert B. Chermside) Date: Thu Apr 1 10:57:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] New SpamBayes FAQ Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040401104759.02944bf0@localhost> I am using SpamBayes with Eudora. It is WONDERFUL! I currently have Eudora 6.0.2. However, I'm only partly computer literate, so it took me a while to figure out how to set the filters in Eudora. For those as inexperienced as myself, I suggest an addition to SpamBayes FAQ. Either add to present 2.3 (which works perfectly!), or insert as 2.4. (My son, a Python addict, tells me these contributions are the heart and soul of open source software!). Incidentally, hcherm@erols.com is my home e-mail, and I am retiring soon, so the VCU address will disappear. How do I Set Eudora Filters to distribute Ham, Unsure, and Spam to separate mailboxes? Note: the following instructions have been verified using Eudora 6.0.2, Sponsored mode, under Windows. 1. Open Eudora 2. Create desired mailboxes for distributing sorted incoming mail. I use "IN" for ham, "UNSURE" for unsure and "SPAM" for spam (or directly to "TRASH" if you don't care to check up on SpamBayes' sort). 3. Select TOOLS, FILTERS 4. Click NEW 5. In "Match" area, check "Incoming" 6. In "Header" box, type in: "X-Spambayes-Classification:" 7. In following drop-down box, select "is" 8. In box immediately following, type "ham" ("spam", "unsure") 9. In next drop-down box, select "ignore". As a result, you may ignore what is in the next level Header - action - text boxes. 10. In "Action" area, top drop-down box, select "Transfer to" 11. In target area immediately to the right, click, and select desired target mailbox to match choice in 8. 12. Repeat steps 4 through 11 for the other two mailboxes. 13. Right click highlighted "Filters" box below (not the "filters" tab) and select "close"; answer "yes" to "Save changes to filters?" I have not tried any secondary filters, but the principles should not differ. You are probably not interested in a secondary sort except for "ham", and you can make those sorts at step 9. Herbert B. Chermside, CRA Virginia Commonwealth University PO BOX 980568 Richmond, VA 23298-0568 Voice: 804-827-6036 Fax 804-828-2051 e-mail hcherm@vcu.edu From Harold.Vandeventer at dpra.com Thu Apr 1 11:56:51 2004 From: Harold.Vandeventer at dpra.com (Harold Vandeventer) Date: Thu Apr 1 11:57:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help please Message-ID: <710C39AC5BC90648B3CA31DC47D11116016CBDE5@mhk02.ad.dpra.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Tony Meyer > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:42 PM > To: 'Daren Kinser'; spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] No Filterable mail items are selected > > > > Has anyone seen this before? > [...] > > I received about 4 spam messages, all within about 30 > > minutes that appear to be from different sources. When > > I select any of these messages and then click > > on "Delete As Spam" I get the following message. > > > > No filterable mail items are selected. > > > > I can then click OK to clear the message and the spam > > messages are still there. All other messages it works fine > > with. > > SpamBayes tries to figure out which messages you have received, and which > you haven't (sent items, drafts, etc). (You can filter ones you have > received, but not the others). Unfortunately there's not a simple way to do > this, so it relies on a few rules that seem to be right almost all the time. > > There have been a few cases like this where SpamBayes is wrong, and a > message has actually been received. > > There's an open tracker about this: > > [ 854547 ] message won't filter > You can upload a copy of those messages to that tracker, if you like, and we can look at the properties of the message, but it seems unlikely that this will be fixed in the near future. Obviously, you can just move those messages manually, and this should be very rare (if not, then there's much more incentive for it to be quickly fixed). =Tony Meyer From fgranger at altern.org Thu Apr 1 09:07:47 2004 From: fgranger at altern.org (Fran=?ISO-8859-1?B?5w==?=ois Granger) Date: Thu Apr 1 12:12:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] French ? In-Reply-To: <406ACADC.3040405@videotron.ca> Message-ID: Le 31/03/04 15:42, ??papaDoc?? a ?crit?: > Bonjour Didier, > >> I'm Doctor Didier Morandi from Nigeria :-) > > Incroyable premier vrai courrier du Nigeria cela fait du bien...... ;-) Excellent ! > >> Will this message go to your spam folder? (I hope). > > No. Ici non plus. >> Seriously, I'm more than interested to work on the French port of >> SpamBayes. I did not find in the FAQ whether there is currently such >> work or not. > > Est-ce que pour la version francaise c'est l'interface que vous voulez > traduire ou faire en sorte que Spambayes fonctionne avec > les courriels dont le texte est francais ? Je l'utilise depuis le d?but et, pour la discrimination Ham/Spam, la langue n'est pas un probl?me. From fgranger at altern.org Thu Apr 1 09:08:09 2004 From: fgranger at altern.org (Fran=?ISO-8859-1?B?5w==?=ois Granger) Date: Thu Apr 1 12:12:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for MS Entourage on Mac OSX? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BBB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Le 1/04/04 6:47, ??Tony Meyer?? a ?crit?: >> Since Microsoft Entourage (part of MS Office for >> Mac OSX) is similar to Outlook, is there a plugin >> or version compatible with it for Mac OSX? > > No, sorry. Although they're similar on the surface, they might not be all > that similar underneath. The real issue, though, is that AFAIK none of the > developers have Entourage, so there's not really any ability to build a > plug-in. > > Of course, sb_server will happily work with Entourage where mail is coming > via POP3, and ditto for IMAP and sb_imapfilter. Confirmed, I use this setup. Look at the Wiki, there is a page about MacOSX. http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki/MacOSXPackage From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Thu Apr 1 12:13:49 2004 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Thu Apr 1 12:13:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help please Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5022CADF@SPIKE.city> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1201 bytes Desc: image001.jpg Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040401/b974a75f/attachment.jpe From dkinser at ucsd.edu Thu Apr 1 12:21:12 2004 From: dkinser at ucsd.edu (Daren Kinser) Date: Thu Apr 1 12:21:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] No Filterable mail items are selected Message-ID: <56967D6D73D84A4BBB1AC05DF7B69F55039A1B@amasmail.audit.ucsd.edu> Bob, Thanks for the reply Bob. I'm slightly confused. Do you mean that if I were to select (hold Ctrl key and click) multiple messages within Outlook (maybe in the "Junk Suspects" folder) then click "Delete As Spam" that Spambayes would not filter the selected group of messages? I believe I do this with success now although this is not how I was trying to delete the unfilterable messages before. Are you speaking of deleting a group of messages another way? Daren -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Coe, Bob Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:05 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] No Filterable mail items are selected This also happens if you select a message group rather than an individual message, even if all the included messages are filterable. Intuitively, you'd think you could "Delete as Spam" a group (since many Outlook operations, including "Delete", do work on groups). But that operation has never worked in Spambayes. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Tony Meyer > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:42 PM > To: 'Daren Kinser'; spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] No Filterable mail items are selected > > > > Has anyone seen this before? > [...] > > I received about 4 spam messages, all within about 30 > > minutes that appear to be from different sources. When > > I select any of these messages and then click > > on "Delete As Spam" I get the following message. > > > > No filterable mail items are selected. > > > > I can then click OK to clear the message and the spam > > messages are still there. All other messages it works fine > > with. > > SpamBayes tries to figure out which messages you have received, and > which you haven't (sent items, drafts, etc). (You can filter ones you > have received, but not the others). Unfortunately there's not a > simple way to do this, so it relies on a few rules that seem to be > right almost all the time. > > There have been a few cases like this where SpamBayes is wrong, and a > message has actually been received. > > There's an open tracker about this: > > [ 854547 ] message won't filter > You can upload a copy of those messages to that tracker, if you like, and we can look at the properties of the message, but it seems unlikely that this will be fixed in the near future. Obviously, you can just move those messages manually, and this should be very rare (if not, then there's much more incentive for it to be quickly fixed). =Tony Meyer _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Thu Apr 1 12:29:25 2004 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Thu Apr 1 12:29:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] No Filterable mail items are selected Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5022C299@SPIKE.city> No, what you describe apparently does work (although my recollection is that the developers were surprised when I told them that it does). But if you display the messages in a view that groups them (e.g., "By Conversation Topic") and select a group header rather than an individual message, a request to "Delete as Spam" will provoke the error message. This despite the fact that if you select the group header and use the Outlook "delete" command, all the messages in the group will be deleted without complaint. Bob MIS Department, City of Cambridge 831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139 ? 617-349-4217 ? fax 617-349-6165 > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces+rcoe=cambridgema.gov@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces+rcoe=cambridgema.gov@python.org]On Behalf Of > Daren Kinser > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:21 PM > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] No Filterable mail items are selected > > > Bob, > > Thanks for the reply Bob. > > I'm slightly confused. Do you mean that if I were to select (hold Ctrl > key and click) multiple messages within Outlook (maybe in the "Junk > Suspects" folder) then click "Delete As Spam" that Spambayes would not > filter the selected group of messages? I believe I do this with success > now although this is not how I was trying to delete the unfilterable > messages before. Are you speaking of deleting a group of messages > another way? > > Daren From David.Norman at Xantrex.com Thu Apr 1 12:31:13 2004 From: David.Norman at Xantrex.com (David Norman) Date: Thu Apr 1 12:29:53 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Bug report Message-ID: <67C475A5ECE7D4118AEC0002B325CAB6058DCF21@BCMAIL1> I love the filter! That being said, since I've installed the software I get an error whenever I shut down Outlook. Error says "Runtime Error! Abnormal program termination". I believe this is why filter setting changes are saved on exit. Please let me know if you have a fix for this. Thank-you! D David M. 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040401/426df0f0/attachment-0001.html From Harold.Vandeventer at dpra.com Thu Apr 1 12:41:38 2004 From: Harold.Vandeventer at dpra.com (Harold Vandeventer) Date: Thu Apr 1 12:41:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] No Filterable mail items are selected Message-ID: <710C39AC5BC90648B3CA31DC47D11116016CBDEA@mhk02.ad.dpra.com> I use the "Ctrl-A" to select all messages in "junk suspects" or alternately "Ctrl-click" to select individually and then "Delete as Spam" nearly every day.... it appears to work. I'm running Spambayes .81 on Outlook 2002/XP-SP1; holding off on the .9 install. ____________________________________ Harold Vandeventer Network Administrator DPRA Incorporated 200 Research Dr Manhattan, KS 66503 Voice: (785) 539-3565 ext 1026 FAX: (785) 537-0272 -----Original Message----- From: Daren Kinser [mailto:dkinser@ucsd.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] No Filterable mail items are selected Bob, Thanks for the reply Bob. I'm slightly confused. Do you mean that if I were to select (hold Ctrl key and click) multiple messages within Outlook (maybe in the "Junk Suspects" folder) then click "Delete As Spam" that Spambayes would not filter the selected group of messages? I believe I do this with success now although this is not how I was trying to delete the unfilterable messages before. Are you speaking of deleting a group of messages another way? Daren -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Coe, Bob Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:05 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] No Filterable mail items are selected This also happens if you select a message group rather than an individual message, even if all the included messages are filterable. Intuitively, you'd think you could "Delete as Spam" a group (since many Outlook operations, including "Delete", do work on groups). But that operation has never worked in Spambayes. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Tony Meyer > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:42 PM > To: 'Daren Kinser'; spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] No Filterable mail items are selected > > > > Has anyone seen this before? > [...] > > I received about 4 spam messages, all within about 30 > > minutes that appear to be from different sources. When > > I select any of these messages and then click > > on "Delete As Spam" I get the following message. > > > > No filterable mail items are selected. > > > > I can then click OK to clear the message and the spam > > messages are still there. All other messages it works fine > > with. > > SpamBayes tries to figure out which messages you have received, and > which you haven't (sent items, drafts, etc). (You can filter ones you > have received, but not the others). Unfortunately there's not a > simple way to do this, so it relies on a few rules that seem to be > right almost all the time. > > There have been a few cases like this where SpamBayes is wrong, and a > message has actually been received. > > There's an open tracker about this: > > [ 854547 ] message won't filter > You can upload a copy of those messages to that tracker, if you like, and we can look at the properties of the message, but it seems unlikely that this will be fixed in the near future. Obviously, you can just move those messages manually, and this should be very rare (if not, then there's much more incentive for it to be quickly fixed). =Tony Meyer _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From KPham at Alderwoodwater.com Thu Apr 1 12:45:01 2004 From: KPham at Alderwoodwater.com (Khoa Pham) Date: Thu Apr 1 12:45:14 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] How to combine databases from multiple users? Message-ID: <187FA0CCCD98D411854400508B4A91F405B16945@AWD_MAIN> Hi, I've been trying out SpamBayes and so far it's been great. I'm thinking of maybe deploying it to all our users and let them maintain their own databases. I'm also planning to try out ASSP on our email gateway. My question is is it possible to combine individual user databases into one so I can imported into ASSP to use on the server? I can write a script to parse through the database to retrieve the stats but I need to understand the data arrangement in the database. Is it possible to get that information from you? If there's a better way that you've already developed to combine databases it would be great to know too. Thanks for the putting out such a great program. I hope to convince our management to approve a donation should our company adopt the program. Thanks, Khoa Pham, Senior Systems Support Tech Alderwood Water & Wastewater District From francois.granger at free.fr Thu Apr 1 12:52:05 2004 From: francois.granger at free.fr (Fran=?ISO-8859-1?B?5w==?=ois Granger) Date: Thu Apr 1 12:52:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes on Mac OS X In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B64@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Le 29/03/04 8:39, ??Tony Meyer?? a ?crit?: >> fgranger$ cd /Users/fgranger/spambayes >> fgranger$ pico bayescustomize.ini >> >> Copy and past the following text inside the windows >> >> ---- start copy >> [Storage] >> persistent_use_database:pickle > > Two questions with this (with regards to making it a generic how-to, rather > than specific for your been-using-spambayes-forever system): It was a fresh install on a brand new system. My previous one was different ;-) > > 1. Any reason why it's better to use a pickle rather than bsddb? Well at first start I got an error message stating that dbm was not available. Wich is the default on 10.3.3. I was not willing to download and compile a bunch of files. > 2. Any reason in particular to manually edit the baysecustomize.ini file > rather than launch a browser and use the config page to do it? So that I don't get an error message at first launch. > Could you make it a reST one? With pleasure ;-) But I have to first have a refresh. I noted it existence part of a big project which include a survey of the web for Wiki, Wikilike syntax end markup and other end user oriented initiative to ease collaborative publishing. By the way, I found a tip for Mac users and was willing to put it on the wiki. I did not found a page like MacOSFaq. Since I did not know the PageCreationAndNamingPolicy for the wiki, I just added it to the bottom of the MacOSXPackage page which is the most relevant one (only one) I discovered with a simple search on "mac". From scales at zko.dec.com Thu Apr 1 13:05:03 2004 From: scales at zko.dec.com (Webb Scales) Date: Thu Apr 1 13:05:09 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] How to combine databases from multiple users? References: <187FA0CCCD98D411854400508B4A91F405B16945@AWD_MAIN> Message-ID: <406C59CF.180CBCF8@zko.dec.com> Khoa Pham wrote: > My > question is is it possible to combine individual user databases into one so > I can imported into ASSP to use on the server? The problem is, each of your users' ideas of what constitutes ham and spam is likely to be slightly different. Thus, if you aggregate all of the databases somehow (btw, there is an SB tool for merging databases -- check the archive for discussion), what you end up with might not do the right thing for all users. However, it might be possible to implement two layers of filtering. You can filter on behalf of all users at the server (assuming that you can come up with appropriate training -- selecting spam is easy, it's selecting representative ham which is trickier), and then you can filter a second time for each user (using the person's individual database). However, this is likely to be non-trivial, because the classification modifies the e-mail's header, and the second filter attempt may not work (properly) due to the presence of the SB headers. But, it's a thought. (E.g., it probably wouldn't be hard to remove the SB headers after the first filtering step is complete....) Webb -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Webb Scales Hewlett-Packard Company scales (at) zko.dec.com 110 Spit Brook Rd, ZKO2-3/N30 Voice: 603.884.2196, FAX: 603.884.0120 Nashua, NH 03062-2711 Warning: dates in schedule are closer than they appear. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040401/a13e5dcd/attachment.html From rmalayter at bai.org Thu Apr 1 13:16:36 2004 From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter) Date: Thu Apr 1 13:16:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] How to combine databases from multiple users? Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A01E1AB53@cliff.bai.org> [Khoa Pham] >My question is is it possible to combine individual >user databases into one so I can imported into ASSP >to use on the server? Actually, ASSP stores whole messages in text files for training, and automatically rebuilds its databases nightly from those files. So it would be best to simply export whole messages from each user's Outlook into RFC-2821 format files. This isn't easy because outlook can only export whole messages into PST format. There are ways to convert PST files into a collection of standard RFC-2821 mail text files, see here for one: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=2002100306134721 Once you have standard-format copies of all the spam/ham messages from a bunch of users, you can put them into ASSP's spam and ham folders, and use ASSP's "renumber" tool and "rebuild database" tools. Another option is simply training ASSP from scratch. During my tests it learned very quickly, and you can eliminate errors caused by lazy users who don't properly categorize all their spam. Regards, Ryan From roar27 at online.no Thu Apr 1 13:24:41 2004 From: roar27 at online.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Roar_J=F8ssund?=) Date: Thu Apr 1 13:24:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes and virus Message-ID: <200404011824.UAA13541@mail47-s.fg.online.no> Hello! Is it possible to tell SpamBayes that messages that contain an attachment named "Norton AntiVirus Deleted1.txt" are always spam? I receive much email with virus and it would be very useful if SpamBayes could understand that messages with this attachment "Norton AntiVirus Deleted1.txt" should always be treated as spam. That way I would not have to click "Delete as spam" each time a new virus appear, which seem to occur more and more frequently. Best regards, Roar J?ssund From roar27 at online.no Thu Apr 1 14:31:43 2004 From: roar27 at online.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Roar_J=F8ssund?=) Date: Thu Apr 1 14:31:46 2004 Subject: SV: [Spambayes] SpamBayes and virus In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040401111241.01bfca00@localhost> Message-ID: <200404011931.VAA14702@mail44-s.fg.online.no> Hello! If this is not possible in current version of SpamBayes, could you please note this as a feature request for a future version of SpamBayes? AFAIK Outlook has not support for filtering messages based on the file name of an attachment. Best regards, Roar J?ssund -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Walter G?rlitz [mailto:walter@gorlitz.ca] Sendt: 1. april 2004 21:14 Til: Roar J?ssund Emne: Re: [Spambayes] SpamBayes and virus At 10:24 AM 2004-04-01, you wrote: >Hello! > >Is it possible to tell SpamBayes that messages that contain an >attachment named "Norton AntiVirus Deleted1.txt" are always spam? >I receive much email with virus and it would be very useful if >SpamBayes could understand that messages with this attachment "Norton >AntiVirus Deleted1.txt" should always be treated as spam. That way I >would not have to click "Delete as spam" each time a new virus appear, >which seem to occur more and more frequently. 1) I don't think there is. 2) since you're using Outlook (Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510) you could just set up a rule (or filter) to permanently delete these messages. Mange tak >Best regards, >Roar J?ssund From kennypitt at hotmail.com Thu Apr 1 17:21:12 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Thu Apr 1 17:22:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help please In-Reply-To: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5022CADF@SPIKE.city> Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Unfortunately, Outlook removes too much information from the message before the SpamBayes plugin gets it, so we can't accurately reproduce enough of the attachment information for the tokenizer to recognize them. This is definitely an area that we would like to improve on in the future and there has been a good bit of discussion about it, but so far no solutions. -- Kenny Pitt From gramos at yahoo.com Thu Apr 1 17:35:38 2004 From: gramos at yahoo.com (brown wrap) Date: Thu Apr 1 17:35:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] I can't get started. 2nd post. Message-ID: <20040401223538.2073.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> let me start off by saying i am not familiar with python or spambayes, but was asked to install them both. after the install, i tried to fire it up: nuthatch 148# /usr/depot/irix6x/python/2.3.3/bin/sb_imapfilter.py -b Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/depot/irix6x/python/2.3.3/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 98, in ? import socket File "/usr/depot/irix6x/python/2.3.3/lib/python2.3/socket.py", line 44, in ? import _socket ImportError: No module named _socket nuthatch 149# ===== >From the Back of the PacK: 5' 9" of Funk; if you have to ask, you wouldn't understand the answer. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From tim.one at comcast.net Thu Apr 1 19:03:34 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Thu Apr 1 19:03:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Amazing sloth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here's a weird one, w/ Outlook 2000 and the addin from not-so-recent-anymore CVS. I decided to start over from scratch today, so have a new(Berkeley) DB. It's taking the addin from 4 to 10 seconds to score each(!) message. That's whether it's new incoming email, or via the "Filter messages ..." menu item, or via a single "Show spam clues". It's mind-numbingly slow. While a message is being scored, Outlook is unresponsive to keyboard or mouse input, but the process is using very little CPU (typically a fraction of a percent, with very brief spikes). So it's waiting on *something*, but don't know what. Nothing odd in the PythonWin Trace Collector display. Ran scanpst on all the relevant .pst files -- no problems. The sloth persists after restarting Outlook, and after a reboot. No other Outlook operations have slowed, just SpamBayes. ... Two hours later: couldn't make much time to dig into this, but didn't learn anything new in the time I could make. Instead I started over from scratch again (I had trained on only 10 ham and 10 spam, so that was as painless as it gets). The sloth went away then, just as mysteriously and dramatically as it appeared. Outlook remained open the entire time: extremely slow retrain on 5 new ham and 5 new spam from scratch zippy again So no clues, just bizarre symptoms. If it happens to you, don't be an idiot like I just was: save the .db file before retraining the problem away (it's the only relevant thing I can think of that changed). From skip at pobox.com Thu Apr 1 19:19:27 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Thu Apr 1 19:19:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Cannot connect to socket with sb_bnserver.py In-Reply-To: <16490.18079.594164.489427@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <1080424390.4065.24.camel@porsche.hq.simlog.com> <16487.22766.448116.900778@montanaro.dyndns.org> <4068267B.5030206@videotron.ca> <16490.18079.594164.489427@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <16492.45455.798964.179426@montanaro.dyndns.org> >>> That said, I had some problems in this regard as well. I haven't >>> looked into it yet. Remi> What was your problem and how did you manage to solve it ? Skip> Been busy with a new job. Still haven't looked at it. Toby's timeout changes coupled with a change to the PATH setting in my procmailrc file seem to have fixed the problems I was having. I previously used the explicit path to sb_filter.py. With sb_bnfilter.py exec'ing sb_bnserver.py it's important that the correct bin directory be at the front of my PATH so that Pythons without site-packages/spambayes aren't called. On my Apple I have /usr/bin/python from Apple as well as /usr/local/bin/python which I use for occasional debugging. My normal Python is actually /Users/skip/local/bin/python. Skip From garryjc at telus.net Thu Apr 1 21:23:47 2004 From: garryjc at telus.net (Garry Cherven) Date: Thu Apr 1 21:23:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam-Bayes and Incredimail XE Message-ID: <20040402022340.EZSA26810.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@home> Hello Will spam-bayes latest version "alpha 9," work with Incredimail Xe on a windows XP home platform, or does a person have to download another version of spam-bayes. Thank-You -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040401/d410eb59/attachment.html From Daly.Brenda at Dystar.com Thu Apr 1 21:35:49 2004 From: Daly.Brenda at Dystar.com (Daly, Brenda, DyStar/US) Date: Thu Apr 1 21:35:57 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Out of Office AutoReply: Its me Message-ID: <7FA1249913F1F249847965260A96BCE153A509@uschex004.americas.dystar.com> Out of the office on Thursday afternoon and on Friday...April 1 and 2. Will be back in the office on Monday, April 5. From tpeters at mixcom.com Thu Apr 1 21:37:48 2004 From: tpeters at mixcom.com (Tom Peters) Date: Thu Apr 1 21:38:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam-Bayes and Incredimail XE In-Reply-To: <20040402022340.EZSA26810.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@hom e> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040401203039.0b254800@localhost> Spambayes works fine with any POP3 based email client. But you won't have the nifty built-in toolbar buttons, etc. That's ok, I don't miss them in the least. I use Eudora Pro. Even if you're not using POP3 to exchange mail between Incredimail and your ISP, Spambayes can work: it supports IMAP. Read the FAQs and docs. Try the wiki: http://entrian.com/sbwiki/POP3ServiceQuickStartGuide At 06:23 PM 4/1/2004 -0800, Garry Cherven wrote: >Hello > > > >Will spam-bayes latest version alpha 9, work with Incredimail Xe on a >windows XP home platform, or does a person have > >to download another version of spam-bayes. > > > > >Thank-You >_______________________________________________ >Spambayes@python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes >Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html [Science] As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. --Albert Einstein (1879-1955) --... ...-- -.. . -. ----. --.- --.- -... tpeters@nospam.mixcom.com (internet) remove "nospam." 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This spammer has a rudimentary understanding of the type of filtering technology that includes Spambayes. Essentially, he has attempted to evade the filter by intentionally misspelling words. This technique, while sometimes effective at evading filters, is probably not very effective with recipients. In order for a spammer to succeed, he must have responses to the spam to justify both his techniques and his existence. It is relatively clear that this type of spam gets an unacceptably low response rate. If it didn't, then virtually all spam would employ these techniques. However, should by some turn of events, this technique come into widespread use AND become particularly effective at evading our filter (a highly unlikely scenario), then we will modify our program to account for it. We already have several ideas as to how this could be done, but have not included them in the current system because to date the problems they solve have not been deemed significant enough to warrant the effort of modifying the system. Thank you for your continued interest in our program... are you still considering helping us with a French translation? -- Tim Stone From jspaniol at nautilus-ins.com Fri Apr 2 09:55:51 2004 From: jspaniol at nautilus-ins.com (jspaniol@nautilus-ins.com) Date: Fri Apr 2 09:56:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Jeanne Spaniol/PH/NIC/WRBerkley is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 03/31/2004 and will not return until 04/05/2004. I will respond to your message when I return. From skip at pobox.com Fri Apr 2 12:03:05 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri Apr 2 12:03:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] i can't even get off the ground with spambayes In-Reply-To: <20040331204456.47676.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040331204456.47676.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <16493.40137.776963.548823@montanaro.dyndns.org> brown> i am not familiar with python and the programs that it can run, brown> but i was asked to install spambayes. both python and spambayes brown> are installed, but in trying to run the first test, it blows up: ... brown> "/usr/depot/irix6x/python/2.3.3/lib/python2.3/socket.py", brown> line 44, in ? brown> import _socket brown> ImportError: No module named _socket This tells me that when you built python either the underlying _socket module didn't get built for some reason or that the python interpreter can't find the one you did build. There are some troubleshooting hints. (Anywhere I say "foo.so" replace ".so" with whatever extension IRIX uses.) 1. Poke around in /usr/depot/irix6x/python/2.3.3/ and see if you find a file named _socket.so. If so, let us know where you found it and what the output of this command is: python -c 'import sys ; print sys.path' 2. If you don't find _socket.so in your installation tree, go back to your build tree and see if it's there. If it is, let us know where you found it. 3. If not, check for _socket_failed.so. This would indicate that it built successfully but couldn't be imported. If you find it, cd to that directory and run python -c 'import _socket_failed' and let us know what python says. If IRIX has a command similar to ldd which will display shared library dependencies, run that against it to see if you can identify a missing library. 4. If step 3 doesn't locate socket_failed.so, try running make again and see if it attempts to build _socket.so but barfs. If so, let us have a look at the virtual vomit... Skip From fgranger at altern.org Fri Apr 2 10:57:02 2004 From: fgranger at altern.org (Fran=?ISO-8859-1?B?5w==?=ois Granger) Date: Fri Apr 2 13:31:48 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] imagination In-Reply-To: <20040402095847.9924162D40@mallaury.noc.nerim.net> Message-ID: Le 2/04/04 11:58, ??Didier Morandi?? a ?crit?: > Hi all, > > Look at that one... > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Frances Dickens [mailto:jdnzeomqebwyz@doglover.com] Without header and with my fresh database (Total emails trained: Spam: 78 Ham: 88) this mail gives : Spam probability: 95.89% (0.958859025588). From brad.commins at americanfone.com Fri Apr 2 19:47:06 2004 From: brad.commins at americanfone.com (Brad Commins) Date: Fri Apr 2 19:47:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Once cause for "DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery'" Message-ID: Hi. I've found two ways to cause the aforementioned error. 1. In XP, if the Application Data folder is redirected to a server-based location with offline folders configured AND connectivity to the server-based location is interrupted and then restored, the DB can be corrupted when XP tries to synchronize while SB is running. The OS does provide a warning to close all apps before synchronizing due to possible data corruption, but if a user does not heed the warning, a corrupted SB DB can result. 2. Similarly, if two or more computers access the same online redirected / offline /roaming profile simultaneously (the same user is logged into a laptop and desktop for example), the DB can be corrupted. Hope this helps and keep up the great work! Brad ************************ Confidentiality Notice ************************ This message may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual(s) named. If you are not the named addressee(s) you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. 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Mike From EXBEDHHRCB at msn.com Sun Apr 4 05:53:00 2004 From: EXBEDHHRCB at msn.com (Odessa Ritter) Date: Sat Apr 3 12:15:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] 99% of all multinationals outsource IT work, do the same Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040404/7108a490/attachment.html From ely117 at rediffmail.com Sat Apr 3 14:11:02 2004 From: ely117 at rediffmail.com (urgent from mrs ely oguma) Date: Sat Apr 3 14:10:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] urgent from mrs oguma Message-ID: <200404031910.i33JAjGe023596@mxzilla4.xs4all.nl> Mrs Ely Oguma I am the above named person from Banjul, Gambia. I was married to Mr. Michael Ojuma who worked with Central Bank of Gambia for twenty nine years before he died in the year 2001. We were married for fourteen years without a child. He died after a brief illness that lasted for only four days. Before his death we were both born again Christians. When my late husband was alive he deposited the sum of$7.2Million (seven Million, two hundred thousand U.S. Dollars) with Hallmark Security Company in London, UK. Presently, this money is still with the Security Company. Recently, my Doctor told me that I would not last for the next four to five months due to cancer. Though what disturbs me most is my stroke. Having known my condition I decided to donate this fund to church or better still a Christian individual that will utilize this money the way I am going to instruct here in. I want a church that will use these fund to fund churches, orphanages, Research centers and widows propagating the word of God and to ensure that the house of God is maintained. The Bible made us to understand that blessed is the hand that giveth. I took this decision because I do not have any child that will inherit this money and my husband relatives are not Christians and I don’t want my husband’s hard earned money to be misused by unbelievers. I do not want a situation where this money will be used in an ungodly manner. Hence the reason for taking this bold decision. I am not afraid of death hence I know where I am going. I know that I am going to be in the bosom of the Lord. Exodus 14 VS 14 says that the lord will fight my case and I shall hold my peace. I do not need any telephone communication in this regard because of my health and also because of the presence of my husband’s relatives around me always. I do not want them to know about this development. With God all things are possible. As soon as I receive your reply I shall give you the contact of the Hallmark security offices in London. I will also issue you a letter of authority that will empower you as the new beneficiary of this! fund. I want you and the church to always pray for me because the lord is my shepherd. My happiness is that I lived a life of a worthy Christian. Whoever that wants to serve the Lord must serve him in spirit and truth. Please always be prayerful all through your life. Any delay in your reply will give me room in sourcing for a church or Christian individual for this same purpose. Please assure me that you will act accordingly as I stated herein. Hoping to hearing from you. Remain blessed in the name of the Lord. Yours in Christ, Mrs Ely Oguma From NTEXCCRP01-SA at myvirtualmodel.com Sat Apr 3 17:01:51 2004 From: NTEXCCRP01-SA at myvirtualmodel.com (System Attendant) Date: Sat Apr 3 17:20:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] [MailServer Notification] To Sender a virus was found and action taken. Message-ID: <2C605DDCFE30504F82EB1DE0A5EB981E0189ECD3@ntexccrp01.mvm.com> ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange took action on the message. The message details were: Sender = spambayes@python.org Recipient(s) = info@mvm.com; Subject = Mail Delivery (failure info@mvm.com) Scanning time = 04/03/2004 17:01:51 Engine/Pattern = 7.000-1004/847 Action taken on message: The attachment message.scr contained WORM_NETSKY.P virus. ScanMail took the action: Deleted. Warning to sender. ScanMail has detected a virus in an email you sent. From admin at calchiro.com Fri Apr 2 10:57:51 2004 From: admin at calchiro.com (Administrator) Date: Sat Apr 3 18:53:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy Message-ID: <004101c418cb$40f544e0$6500a8c0@calchiro.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SpamBayesServer1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 319775 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040402/195ff0d3/SpamBayesServer1-0001.obj From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Apr 3 20:02:29 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Apr 3 20:02:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305BC8137@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BBE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Does anyone know if spambeyes trains normally if I select all > in the suspects folder and delete as spam please? What do you mean "trains normally"? (Is there any way to train that isn't 'normal'?). If you do this, all those messages will be trained as spam, if that's your question. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Apr 3 20:08:24 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Apr 3 20:08:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE3C9B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BBF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have trained 10437 ham and 2021 spam. BTW, you'll probably get better results, if: 1. You train on roughly equal numbers of ham and spam. 2. You don't train on everything. 'Training on mistakes', for example (unsure, false positives, false negatives), tends to give better results than 'train on everything'. [...] > DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal > error, run database recovery -- fatal region error > detected; run recovery') This means that your database is dead. From the traceback it seems that this is probably the 'message info' database, rather than the statistics database, so all you'll lose is the ability to correct training on messages already trained and the statistics on the Stats page will be reset. To fix, delete the 'message info' database when spambayes isn't running. Next time you run, it'll be automatically recreated. This is called something like messageinfo.db or spambayes.messageinfo.db, and is with the hammie.db/statistics_database.db file. If you still get the error, then your stats db might be dead, too. In this case, you'll have to delete both database files. We're still not 100% sure how these errors occur (well, we've found several reasons, but all those are fixed now), although they are very rare these days. If training was interrupted (power cut, crash) for some reason, that could be why. If you're able to reproduce the corruption, we'd be very interested to hear how. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From spambayes at python.org Sun Apr 4 01:09:43 2004 From: spambayes at python.org (spambayes@python.org) Date: Sun Apr 4 09:00:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Returned due to virus; was:Error (kathryn.burrow@elpaso.com) Message-ID: Mail Delivery Failure - This mail couldn't be shown. ------------- failed message ------------- 9S!~?2ipY>>Y|T;7M?njAU&yFzLo?B1J%qFLggWK>9Vs? E~7NulYlN_.)q~cOBok:X;h5Z5qv#P Partial message is available and has been sent as a binary attachment. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040404/14eaa3b5/attachment.html From interlottonetherlands at mail.az Sun Apr 4 15:23:14 2004 From: interlottonetherlands at mail.az (interlottonetherlands@mail.az) Date: Sun Apr 4 15:23:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] WINNING NOTICE Message-ID: <200404041923.i34JNE8j030286@mxzilla6.xs4all.nl> WINNING NOTICE FOR CATEGORY "C" WINNER INTERNATIONAL LOTTO NETHERLAND IL/FLW/12-CO33721192 : It is our pleasure to inform you that you have emerged as a Category "C" winner of the International Lotto Netherlands. CONGRATULATIONS! You are entitled to a prize sum of 1,500,000.00.Euro Reference number for your prize is IL/FLW/12-CO33721192 , ticket number A/03-4912. As a category "C" winner, you have been selected from a total number of 100,000 names drawn from Asia, Africa, Europe, Middle East and America. After the computer ballot of our International Promotions Program, only Ten winners emerged in this category and therefore are to receive payouts of (1,500,000.00 Euro) from the total 15,000,000.00 Euro for Third category winners. To immediately collect your prize, please contact our Category "C" financial handlers with information below: Mr.Mark Lansford. Financial Director Universal Securities and Finance Bv 20 - 24 Vesusstu Dorm, Norwenger SL4 3BB, Amsterdam, Netherlands Tel: (+31) 645808259, Fax: (+31) 645 590445 Email:marklansford1@mail2netherlands.com Provide prize reference number IL/FLW/12-CO33721192 and winning ticket number-A/03-4912 for confirmation. In your best interests, you must initiate contact within one week of receipt of this correspondence.Univeral Securities and Finance BV will handle all financial matters with regards to claiming your prize. You are also advised to send a copy of this email,either by fax or email, to your financial handler Mr. Mark Lansford ,when contacting him. You are to keep all lotto information from the public as we will not entertain cases of multiple claims processing or compromise the privacy and security for all winners. Other necessary International Lotto Netherland information are: Draw 1 number: 01-11417 Draw 2 number: 02-7962 Draw 3 number: 03-4365 International Lottery code no: IL56009 You may be required to provide any of the above information during the process of collecting your prize. We congratulate you once again and it is our hope that you participate in any of our international programs in the nearest future. Thank you. Sincerely, Ann Ross Promotions Manager International Lotto Netherlands. From Amir_Katz at bmc.com Sun Apr 4 17:22:16 2004 From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir) Date: Sun Apr 4 17:22:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes Message-ID: Confirmed. It's in the FAQ (#4.6) Amir "The C Programming Language - A language which combines the flexibility of assembly language with the power of assembly language." -----Original Message----- From: stevenjf@btinternet.com [mailto:stevenjf@btinternet.com] Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 21:04 To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes Hi there I am enjoying your program very much . Can u confirm that it is ok to delete all this junk mail once I have sifted through it , without it affecting the program ? I am using your latest version and XP pro with OUTLOOK 2000 Many thanks Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040404/b3dcfcb2/attachment.html From cmoore at istar.ca Sun Apr 4 22:05:44 2004 From: cmoore at istar.ca (Chris Moore) Date: Sun Apr 4 22:07:40 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] np Outlook Message-ID: <4070BEF8.F6BC2550@istar.ca> Hi, Since I refuse to use MS Outlook, can you recommend any other spam filter that works with simple POP3? Thanks, Chris From tim.one at comcast.net Sun Apr 4 22:12:41 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Sun Apr 4 22:12:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] np Outlook In-Reply-To: <4070BEF8.F6BC2550@istar.ca> Message-ID: [Chris Moore] > Since I refuse to use MS Outlook, can you recommend any other spam > filter that works with simple POP3? SpamBayes works with any email client that uses POP3. From jagallagher at adelphia.net Sun Apr 4 22:43:03 2004 From: jagallagher at adelphia.net (John Gallagher) Date: Sun Apr 4 22:43:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Help Message-ID: <000801c41ab7$b836c130$6500a8c0@John> Is this the correct address for Spambayes install help? Thanks John Gallagher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040404/2899a2d9/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Apr 4 23:06:29 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Apr 4 23:06:48 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Help In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE3FE8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BC3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Is this the correct address for Spambayes install help? This address (spambayes@python.org) is a mailing list for discussion of the SpamBayes filter. Discussion about problems, ideas, requests for help, etc are all welcome here. Ideally bug reports should be submitted via the sourceforge system , but those are common here, too. How can we help you? (Remember to include as much information as possible, including version of spambayes, version of OS, any error messages, and so on). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From jagallagher at adelphia.net Sun Apr 4 23:48:32 2004 From: jagallagher at adelphia.net (John Gallagher) Date: Sun Apr 4 23:48:40 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy Message-ID: <001301c41ac0$ddddcc40$6500a8c0@John> To SpamBayes Users, Need your help! I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 0.4 (February 2004) (binary) my operating system is Windows XP. Log File is C:\DOCUME~1\JOHNGA~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\SpamBayesServer1.log I am installing SpamBayes and have 2 problems (questions). #1 - Under Pop3 and SMTP proxy options configure, it asks for an entry in "SpamBayes Ports" I don't know what this means and would appreciate help on what to put in the box. #2 - Under Setup Your Mail Client, it says to set my mail client to receive mail from localhost rather than the mail server. I understand what that means but I need help on getting to the screen that will allow me to make the change and also what do I key in for localhost. Thanks very much for the help. John Gallagher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040404/4fc04f96/attachment-0001.html From jagallagher at adelphia.net Mon Apr 5 00:20:00 2004 From: jagallagher at adelphia.net (John Gallagher) Date: Mon Apr 5 00:20:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Help References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BC3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <002701c41ac5$435e9cd0$6500a8c0@John> Tony, Yes, jagallagher@adelphia.net is correct. I appreciate your advise regarding the install questions I sent. Thanks John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Meyer" To: "'John Gallagher'" ; Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Spambayes Help > > Is this the correct address for Spambayes install help? > > This address (spambayes@python.org) is a mailing list for discussion of the > SpamBayes filter. Discussion about problems, ideas, requests for help, etc > are all welcome here. Ideally bug reports should be submitted via the > sourceforge system , but those are common > here, too. > > How can we help you? (Remember to include as much information as possible, > including version of spambayes, version of OS, any error messages, and so > on). > > =Tony Meyer > > --- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This > way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. > From jagallagher at adelphia.net Mon Apr 5 00:47:21 2004 From: jagallagher at adelphia.net (John Gallagher) Date: Mon Apr 5 00:47:34 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Fw: Problem with POP3 Proxy Message-ID: <003201c41ac9$17ec0930$6500a8c0@John> To SpamBayes Users I forgot to tell you that I'm using Outlook Express thanks John Gallagher ----- Original Message ----- From: John Gallagher To: SpamBayes@python.org Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:48 PM Subject: Problem with POP3 Proxy To SpamBayes Users, Need your help! I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 0.4 (February 2004) (binary) my operating system is Windows XP. Log File is C:\DOCUME~1\JOHNGA~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\SpamBayesServer1.log I am installing SpamBayes and have 2 problems (questions). #1 - Under Pop3 and SMTP proxy options configure, it asks for an entry in "SpamBayes Ports" I don't know what this means and would appreciate help on what to put in the box. #2 - Under Setup Your Mail Client, it says to set my mail client to receive mail from localhost rather than the mail server. I understand what that means but I need help on getting to the screen that will allow me to make the change and also what do I key in for localhost. Thanks very much for the help. John Gallagher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now that "background processing" (a most useful feature) is a standard default, I wish for a "virtual LED", placed on the side of the Spambayes toolbar which would indicate something like: (grey) when Spambayes is Idle, (yellow) when Spambayes is accepting new mail from Outlook during an automatic or manual "Send-Receive", (green) when Spambayes is processing and filtering mail, and back to (grey) when Spambayes is idle. I've not thought this very far, but I feel the need to ask Spambayes what it is doing at a given moment, especially with slow dial-up connections. Perhaps others can add to the idea. Jim Hamill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040404/36823286/attachment.html From russell at netmetro.net Mon Apr 5 06:41:24 2004 From: russell at netmetro.net (Russell Freeman) Date: Mon Apr 5 06:41:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes cannot register with all users help Message-ID: I follow install instructions and uae this command regsvr32.exe /i:hkey_local_machine "c:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\outlook_addin.dll" It returns with the error dllinstall cannot find entry point Help. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040405/1d818103/attachment.html From Amir_Katz at bmc.com Mon Apr 5 07:15:01 2004 From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir) Date: Mon Apr 5 07:15:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] np Outlook Message-ID: If you're not using any POP3 e-mail client, I recommend Pegasus Mail which is free. As others have already said, SpamBayes works with any POP3 mail client. Amir -----Original Message----- From: Chris Moore [mailto:cmoore@istar.ca] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 04:06 To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] np Outlook Hi, Since I refuse to use MS Outlook, can you recommend any other spam filter that works with simple POP3? Thanks, Chris _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From Nic-Helpdesk at nautilus-ins.com Mon Apr 5 09:41:39 2004 From: Nic-Helpdesk at nautilus-ins.com (Nic-Helpdesk@nautilus-ins.com) Date: Mon Apr 5 09:41:56 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: fake Message-ID: Your Nautilus support staff has received your request. A work order has been logged as work order number 2575. If you need immediate response please call the helpdesk at ext. 2539. Thank You, Nautilus IT Support Staff ---------------------------------------- Click on this link to submit additional information related to this workorder: mailto:NIC-Helpdesk?subject=Append:2575 Click on this link to request an updated status for this workorder: mailto:NIC-Helpdesk?subject=Status&body=2575 Click on this link to request an updated status for all of your recent workorders: mailto:NIC-Helpdesk?subject=AllStatus From houfekj at oclc.org Mon Apr 5 10:50:53 2004 From: houfekj at oclc.org (Houfek,Jim) Date: Mon Apr 5 10:51:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: spambayes1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1682 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040405/2b2afa02/spambayes1.obj From jonw at gdpspace.com Mon Apr 5 11:52:44 2004 From: jonw at gdpspace.com (Jon Weitzman) Date: Mon Apr 5 11:57:02 2004 Subject: FW: [Spambayes] Help---Still no luck running spambayes on an NT system?? Message-ID: <001201c41b26$098e89a0$36dbeace@deltainfo.com> Folks, (Second request with log info) I am still having no luck in running Spambayes on an NT system. The install gets to the finish page, but no toolbar appears in Outlook. There is a spambayes log in c:temp. Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.py", line 1546, in ? File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 477, in UseCommandLine File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 407, in RegisterClasses File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 261, in RegisterServer File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 85, in _cat_registrar pywintypes.com_error: (-2147467262, 'No such interface supported', None, None) Does this offer any insight to anyone?? TIA, Jon Weitzman -----Original Message----- From: Jon Weitzman [mailto:jonw@gdpspace.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:30 AM To: 'spambayes@python.org' Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Help---Still no luck running spambayes on an NT system?? -----Original Message----- Jon Weitzman wrote: > Trying to install and run Spambayes on an NT system. It seems to > install but I > do not get a spambayes toolbar in outlook. > > I'm installing spambayes 1.0a9(0.9). My system is NT 4.0 and > Outlook 2000 SR-1 Version 9. > From dbm8 at shawmail.ok.shawcable.net Mon Apr 5 12:20:50 2004 From: dbm8 at shawmail.ok.shawcable.net (dbm8@shawmail.ok.shawcable.net) Date: Mon Apr 5 12:26:33 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy ? Message-ID: <0HVP00E6XHEQ0K@l-daemon> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SpamBayesServer1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 238 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040405/62682433/SpamBayesServer1.obj -------------- next part -------------- I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 0.4 (February 2004) (binary), with version 2.3.2+ (#49, Oct 23 2003, 15:50:06) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service Pack 1). I have trained 103 ham and 116 spam. The problem I am having is 1) was working great but read trained items should be balanced so reinstalled (had ~100 ham/300spam). 2)have ~100 ham & spam, getting ~1/3 spam still. 3)SpamBayes has never shown up in 'services'. From dbm8 at shawmail.ok.shawcable.net Mon Apr 5 12:18:36 2004 From: dbm8 at shawmail.ok.shawcable.net (dbm8@shawmail.ok.shawcable.net) Date: Mon Apr 5 12:27:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy ? Message-ID: <0HVP00H3KHB0VP@l-daemon> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SpamBayesServer1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 238 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040405/29e88507/SpamBayesServer1.obj -------------- next part -------------- I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 0.4 (February 2004) (binary), with version 2.3.2+ (#49, Oct 23 2003, 15:50:06) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service Pack 1). I have trained 103 ham and 116 spam. The problem I am having is 1) was working great but read trained items should be balanced so reinstalled (had ~100 ham/300spam). 2)have ~100 ham & spam, getting ~1/3 spam still. 3)SpamBayes has never shown up in 'services'. From osixsoejtxy at hotmail.com Tue Apr 6 06:53:57 2004 From: osixsoejtxy at hotmail.com (Nicholas Moss) Date: Mon Apr 5 14:15:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Worlds Most powerful site to save on IT work! Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040406/bc3e9604/attachment.html From bo8zoqrbnx at excite.com Mon Apr 5 20:10:42 2004 From: bo8zoqrbnx at excite.com (Murray Marin) Date: Mon Apr 5 15:18:40 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Cheapest Replica Rolex Watches Message-ID: <3gm8-$106q4o8haexs$$8$k$ol4k$9@uhq4urf> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040406/8040a2ab/attachment.html From Scott at hbrealestateservices.com Mon Apr 5 15:25:43 2004 From: Scott at hbrealestateservices.com (Scott Miller) Date: Mon Apr 5 15:25:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] I am having a problem with Message-ID: Dear Sirs, I have been playing with this for a few days and can't seem to get this to work again. I keep getting YOU MUST CONFIGURE THE SPAM FOLDER. Well I created a new folder put it did not work. Please help! Scott Miller From kennypitt at hotmail.com Mon Apr 5 16:26:52 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Mon Apr 5 16:28:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] I am having a problem with In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Scott Miller wrote: > I have been playing with this for a few days and can't seem to get > this to work again. I keep getting YOU MUST CONFIGURE THE SPAM > FOLDER. Well I created a new folder put it did not work. Please help! If you accidentally deleted your spam folder then creating a new folder with the same name is not sufficient. It is still a different folder as far as Outlook is concerned, so you need to go to the Filtering tab in SpamBayes Manager and reselect the spam folder. FAQ 3.13 explains: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam -folder -- Kenny Pitt From didier.morandi at freesurf.fr Mon Apr 5 16:31:43 2004 From: didier.morandi at freesurf.fr (Didier Morandi) Date: Mon Apr 5 16:31:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Why was this mail correctly processed? Message-ID: <20040405203141.4C7FB418A0@kraid.nerim.net> Just successfully installed v 1.0-a9 on XP without any comment. I'm using Outlook 2003. I told the wizard that I will perform training on the fly. How come this message went automatically in the Junk folder and not into the Suspects one? Amazing. 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Name: SpamBayesServer1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 8788 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040405/1ca9277c/SpamBayesServer1-0001.obj -------------- next part -------------- I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 0.4 (February 2004) (binary), with version 2.3.2+ (#49, Oct 23 2003, 15:50:06) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service Pack 1). I have trained 107 ham and 118 spam. The problem I am having is 1)1st install worked well (99%) but noticed trained ham/spam should be ~equal and had ~300 spam/100 ham so reinstalled SB. 2) 2nd install gets ~1/3 spam. ?? 3) SB never did show up in 'services'. Any advice appreciated. dave. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 5 19:37:24 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 5 19:37:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: SpamBayes plzzzzzzzzz help In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE4060@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B70@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I do the command below to register all users as the > instreuctions state > regsvr32.exe /i:hkey_local_machine > "c:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\outlook_addin.dll" > and I get dllinstall entry point not found Try doing this instead (in the "C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin" directory): outlook_addin_register.exe /i:hkey_local_machine > No one responds is anyone working on this???? Firstly, please do not send me (or any of the other developers) private mail about spambayes problems unless you are specifically invited to. We all read the spambayes list and answer questions there as we have time. Emailing us separately will not get an answer any quicker; it may in fact take longer. Secondly, it appears that you sent me this message mere minutes after you sent it to the list. The people that answer questions here (like the people that do the developing) are all volunteers working on this in their spare time. Patience is required. There really isn't any way around this, other than deciding to help people yourself and answering them really quickly, or switching to a product that you pay for (like InBoxer, based on the spambayes code). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From gramos at yahoo.com Mon Apr 5 19:42:00 2004 From: gramos at yahoo.com (brown wrap) Date: Mon Apr 5 19:42:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] is anyone using spambayes on solaris? Message-ID: <20040405234200.86152.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> i must be doing something wrong and would like to see how people brought this up on solaris. greg ===== >From the Back of the PacK: 5' 9" of Funk; if you have to ask, you wouldn't understand the answer. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 5 19:43:39 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 5 19:43:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE41F0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BCC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > The problem I am having is > 1)1st install worked well (99%) but noticed trained > ham/spam should be ~equal and had ~300 spam/100 ham so reinstalled SB. > 2) 2nd install gets ~1/3 spam. ?? Do you mean that about a third of your spam is classified as ham? "What did this score this" questions are really only answerable with the clues for the messages. If you could mail us a copy of the clues for a typical message that is incorrectly classified, that would really help. In addition, how many ham & spam messages have you trained on? > 3) SB never did show up > in 'services'. Any advice appreciated. SpamBayes doesn't get installed as a service by default; by default it runs just as a normal application, which should be fine for most people. If you want it to run as a service, you have to run the pop3proxy_service.exe file with "--install". However, there was a bug in the 1.0a9 release which meant that this file isn't installed, so you'd have to get it from the next release (due very soon, we hope), or build it from the source. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 5 19:49:53 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 5 19:50:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE401C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BCD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > #1 - Under Pop3 and SMTP proxy options configure, > it asks for an entry in "SpamBayes Ports" > I don't know what this means and would appreciate help > on what to put in the box. The way that the proxy works is that instead of connecting directly to your mail server, it connects via a local proxy, which in turns connects to the mail server. The local proxy needs to be available on a certain 'port' (the FAQ has a nicer written, diagrammatic, version of all this). If you're only connecting to a single mail server, then just use 110 for the POP3 port. If you're connecting to multiple mail servers, then do something like use 8110, 8111, 8112, and so on. You're probably better off leaving the two SMTP proxy options blank, as they're a bit problematic with the 1.0a9 release. You don't need them anyway, unless you're planning on training by forwarding mail (rather than using the web interface). > #2 - Under Setup Your Mail Client, it says to set my mail > client to receive mail from localhost rather than the mail server. > I understand what that means but I need help on getting > to the screen that will allow me to make the change > and also what do I key in for localhost. For localhost, you key in "localhost". It's a special DNS name that means "this machine". In Outlook Express, you get to the appropriate screen by doing: Tools->Accounts->Click the appropriate mail account->Properties->Servers (tab) =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 5 19:57:00 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 5 19:57:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Question about SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305BC7AE6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B71@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [Please always direct questions to the list - spambayes@python.org - you'll get better and faster responses, and help from many people (potentially, at least)] > I have been using version (008.1). It is excellent and I > have passed it on to other people. > > I just saw that you now have Version 0.9 > > 1. is that a newer version that 008.1 ? Yes. In the SpamBayes menu on the toolbar there should be a "check for new version" item, that would tell you this. The website also has this information. > 2. how is it better? I presume you're only interested in the Outlook plug-in. In that case, it just fixes a variety of small bugs, and a relatively common problem with installation. If you want details, then you can read the "What's New" file online, here: Or if you want even more details, you can read the "Changelog" here online, here: If you want more details than that, then you can read through the archives of the checkins list: > 3. is there any way to set up either version so I don't see > the Junk Folder and any e-mail that gets put in there is > automatically deleted ? I don't know if you can hide a folder in Outlook or not. In any case, there'd be no difference hiding the Junk Folder and any other Outlook folder. Outlook's help would probably answer this. FAQ 3.9 answers the rest: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 5 20:04:29 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 5 20:05:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] How to combine databases from multiple users? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305BC7ADB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BD0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > So it would be best to simply export whole messages from each > user's Outlook into RFC-2821 format files. This isn't easy > because outlook can only export whole messages into PST > format. There are ways to convert PST files into a collection > of standard RFC-2821 mail text files, see here for one: > http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=2002100306134721 Note that SpamBayes includes another way to do this. The export.py script in the Outlook2000 directory (of the source; it's not in the binary distributions) will export all the messages in the folders that you've selected in the "Training" tab into the standard SpamBayes testing format. This is a "one file per message" format where the messages are standard RFC-2821 files. Each file is named with it's store/entry id. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 5 20:10:53 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 5 20:11:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE41E5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B72@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > o When new mail comes in, I have to switch directories or > open an old message for the new mail to show up on the screen in Inbox. Does this happen if you disable or uninstall (no training or configuration data is lost if you uninstall then reinstall) SpamBayes? I haven't seen this reported before, and given what SpamBayes does, it's hard to see how it would cause this. > o When I try to drag a new message to the "delete as spam" bar, > it goes there, but it still shows up in the Inbox as an item > until I drag another to the delete as spam bar, or until I open > a new email or change directories in Outlook. If I go to the bad > spam file I have set up, the message that I dragged there IS there, > but it won't delete it's presence from the Inbox by just dragging. I'm rather confused by what you mean here. By "drag a new message to the 'delete as spam' bar", do you mean that you are: (a) Dragging the message to the "Delete as spam" button on the toolbar. (b) Selecting the message and clicking the "Delete as spam" button on the toolbar. (c) Dragging the message to the Spam folder. I can't see how (a) could possibly do anything, and it certainly doesn't seem to here. (b) should work fine, and the log indicates that this has worked at least once. (c) should move the message and train if the "incremental training" options are enabled (in the "Training" tab in the Manager dialog). If you're doing (c) and you're ending up with a copy of the message in both the Spam folder and the Inbox - are you holding down any keys when you do this? If you hold down the control key when moving a message in Outlook the message is copied, rather than moved. The cursor should have a little plus sign on it if this is the case. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 5 20:33:35 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 5 20:33:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Lotus Notes In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305BC7AF5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BD2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [Please send all spambayes questions to the list, rather than to individual developers. That way you get quicker responses and the benefit of everyone's knowledge.] > Do you know of any SpamBayes verison that will work for ACT! > 2000? Thanks. I have no idea what ACT! 2000 is. If it's a mailer than gets mail via POP3 or IMAP4, then you can use sb_server or sb_imapfilter (respectively). If it's something else, then the chances are slim, unless you could maybe hook sb_filter in somehow. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 5 20:40:02 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 5 20:40:21 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help---Still no luck running spambayes on an NTsystem?? My bad!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305A4A043@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BD3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > There is a spambayes log in c:temp. > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "addin.py", line 1546, in ? > File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 477, in UseCommandLine > File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 407, in RegisterClasses > File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 261, in RegisterServer > File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 85, in _cat_registrar > pywintypes.com_error: (-2147467262, 'No such interface > supported', None, None) > > Does this offer any insight to anyone?? Googling for '"No such interface supported" spambayes' brings up a lot of stuff. I think the relevant problem is this: If you could check the version of the DLL as described there, that would help. The problem reports seems to mostly come from NT users, so I gather it's a particular problem there. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 5 20:43:07 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 5 20:43:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Why was this mail correctly processed? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE41EE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BD4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Just successfully installed v 1.0-a9 on XP without any > comment. I'm using Outlook 2003. > > I told the wizard that I will perform training on the fly. > How come this message went automatically in the Junk folder > and not into the Suspects one? Had you done any training at all? If you hadn't done any, then it really should have gone into the Suspects one, and there's maybe a problem with your configuration. If you had done some training, even a single message, then it probably just got scored correctly. With every message that you feed it, the classification results should get better, even from the very first one. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From jagallagher at adelphia.net Mon Apr 5 23:21:10 2004 From: jagallagher at adelphia.net (John Gallagher) Date: Mon Apr 5 23:21:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BCD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <000401c41b86$35cb73b0$6500a8c0@John> Thanks very much for the help. I'm up and running. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Meyer" To: "'John Gallagher'" ; Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 4:49 PM Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy > #1 - Under Pop3 and SMTP proxy options configure, > it asks for an entry in "SpamBayes Ports" > I don't know what this means and would appreciate help > on what to put in the box. The way that the proxy works is that instead of connecting directly to your mail server, it connects via a local proxy, which in turns connects to the mail server. The local proxy needs to be available on a certain 'port' (the FAQ has a nicer written, diagrammatic, version of all this). If you're only connecting to a single mail server, then just use 110 for the POP3 port. If you're connecting to multiple mail servers, then do something like use 8110, 8111, 8112, and so on. You're probably better off leaving the two SMTP proxy options blank, as they're a bit problematic with the 1.0a9 release. You don't need them anyway, unless you're planning on training by forwarding mail (rather than using the web interface). > #2 - Under Setup Your Mail Client, it says to set my mail > client to receive mail from localhost rather than the mail server. > I understand what that means but I need help on getting > to the screen that will allow me to make the change > and also what do I key in for localhost. For localhost, you key in "localhost". It's a special DNS name that means "this machine". In Outlook Express, you get to the appropriate screen by doing: Tools->Accounts->Click the appropriate mail account->Properties->Servers (tab) =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From Didier.Morandi at freesurf.fr Mon Apr 5 23:36:18 2004 From: Didier.Morandi at freesurf.fr (Didier Morandi) Date: Mon Apr 5 23:36:22 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Have Junk E-Mail folder deleted? In-Reply-To: <000401c41b86$35cb73b0$6500a8c0@John> Message-ID: <20040406033615.7F1F4418EA@kraid.nerim.net> Hi all, I do not find in the Outlook 2003 "Filtering" control panel the way to have genuine Junk messages "deleted" or "moved to the Trash folder", as this folder does not show up in the folders list where to move messages into. I'd like to see a way to do this which will, together with Outlook's ability to empty the trash when leaving, get rid of that noise. As of today, I understand that I have to delete my spam manually, which is not really convenient. I understand that there is a security issue there: the ability to do some control, but we can always look at the trash before leaving Outlook, can't we? Thanks, D. didier morandi ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~ Revendeur agr?? HP HP ~ COMPAQ ~ DIGITAL ~ APPLE ~ Formation ~ Programmation ~ Migrations 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France. T?l: 33(0)6 7983 6418 SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com ANTISPAM: TOUT MAIL ENVOYE AU FORMAT HTML SERA SYSTEMATIQUEMENT EFFACE From j.hamill at intpower.com Tue Apr 6 01:17:45 2004 From: j.hamill at intpower.com (James Hamill) Date: Tue Apr 6 01:17:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Request for neat feature for Outlook add-in Message-ID: I've been using the Outlook plug-in under Winwoes 98SE for quite some while now, and I'm delighted at the progress made. Thank you very much for the great progress so far! But I also hanker for a small feature which I feel would be easy to add and which I feel would be of great use to many users. Now that "background processing" (a most useful feature) is a standard default, I wish for a "virtual LED", placed on the side of the Spambayes toolbar which would indicate something like: (grey) when Spambayes is Idle, (yellow) when Spambayes is accepting new mail from Outlook during an automatic or manual "Send-Receive", (green) when Spambayes is processing and filtering mail, and back to (grey) when Spambayes is idle. I've not thought this very far, but I feel the need to ask Spambayes what it is doing at a given moment, especially with slow dial-up connections. Perhaps others can add to the idea. Jim Hamill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, I use PDFfactory to send Acrobat files to e-mail recipients. I open an app, print to PDFfactory and press the button to send e-mail with acrobat as attachment. Normally after a few moments a New message window will appear waiting to be addressed and sent. If outlook is already running all appears fine and works. If Outlook must be called/started it will just sit there with Outlook appearing on the task bar, but nothing more. After thinking it was everything else, I was able to replace the mapi32.dll files and all worked again, but Spambayes quit working. I, then re-installed spambayes and was back to where I started. Any ideas. Thanks. Tom From trumpreport at emailinfo123.com Tue Apr 6 09:36:59 2004 From: trumpreport at emailinfo123.com (TheFinancialGlobe.com) Date: Tue Apr 6 12:39:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] The Trump Report on (OTC BB:SVYR) Message-ID: <200404061340.i36DeTqF066175@mxzilla8.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040406/1157c6ce/attachment.html From admin at calchiro.com Tue Apr 6 13:25:35 2004 From: admin at calchiro.com (Administrator) Date: Tue Apr 6 13:26:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BBF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <000501c41bfc$2c297700$6500a8c0@calchiro.com> Tony, Thanks. I run a bunch of mailing lists, so that the ham that I get is often administrative. I don't want to delete it, hence the skewed numbers. My gut is that it probably got corrupted by some of the spam that I get. The lists have been around a long time and get some pretty strange spam. I'll keep an eye on it, and if it gets corrupted again, will send the log or the files. Thanks again for all of your help. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Meyer" To: "'Administrator'" ; Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 6:08 PM Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy > > I have trained 10437 ham and 2021 spam. > > BTW, you'll probably get better results, if: > > 1. You train on roughly equal numbers of ham and spam. > 2. You don't train on everything. 'Training on mistakes', for example > (unsure, false positives, false negatives), tends to give better results > than 'train on everything'. > > [...] > > DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal > > error, run database recovery -- fatal region error > > detected; run recovery') > > This means that your database is dead. From the traceback it seems that > this is probably the 'message info' database, rather than the statistics > database, so all you'll lose is the ability to correct training on messages > already trained and the statistics on the Stats page will be reset. > > To fix, delete the 'message info' database when spambayes isn't running. > Next time you run, it'll be automatically recreated. This is called > something like messageinfo.db or spambayes.messageinfo.db, and is with the > hammie.db/statistics_database.db file. > > If you still get the error, then your stats db might be dead, too. In this > case, you'll have to delete both database files. > > We're still not 100% sure how these errors occur (well, we've found several > reasons, but all those are fixed now), although they are very rare these > days. If training was interrupted (power cut, crash) for some reason, that > could be why. If you're able to reproduce the corruption, we'd be very > interested to hear how. > > =Tony Meyer > > --- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This > way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. > > From wforaker at pcmla.com Tue Apr 6 14:33:00 2004 From: wforaker at pcmla.com (Will Foraker) Date: Tue Apr 6 14:40:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Does spambayes work on Windows NT Message-ID: <0012DC88@pcmla.com> Does spabayes work with Windows NT? If so, which version is it and where can I download it? Thanks, Will From wforaker at pcmla.com Tue Apr 6 14:43:00 2004 From: wforaker at pcmla.com (Will Foraker) Date: Tue Apr 6 14:50:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and NT Message-ID: <0012DCAD@pcmla.com> Which version of Spambayes do I use for Windows NT? From niffer at charter.net Tue Apr 6 15:47:40 2004 From: niffer at charter.net (The Atkins) Date: Tue Apr 6 15:50:14 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Uninstalling Spambayes Message-ID: I would like to remove Spambayes from my system. I tried using the unistall feature on Windows Control Panel and it seemed to work OK, but Spambayes still appears on the toolbar and I cannot receive mail since doing the uninstall. From postmaster.newcastle at schenck.com.au Tue Apr 6 15:50:28 2004 From: postmaster.newcastle at schenck.com.au (postmaster.newcastle@schenck.com.au) Date: Tue Apr 6 15:52:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Symantec AVF detected that you sent a message with a prohibited attachment name Message-ID: <06b701c41c10$694328c0$0a73020a@schenck.aust> Subject of the message: Mail Delivery (failure wbray@schenck.com.au) Recipient of the message: Wayne Bray Prohibited attachment: message.scr From postmaster.newcastle at schenck.com.au Tue Apr 6 15:50:28 2004 From: postmaster.newcastle at schenck.com.au (postmaster.newcastle@schenck.com.au) Date: Tue Apr 6 15:52:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Symantec AVF detected that you sent a message with a prohibited attachment name Message-ID: <06bc01c41c10$69622270$0a73020a@schenck.aust> Subject of the message: Mail Delivery (failure wbray@schenck.com.au) Recipient of the message: Archive Newcastle Prohibited attachment: message.scr From natalie.brondolo at il.proquest.com Tue Apr 6 16:32:10 2004 From: natalie.brondolo at il.proquest.com (Natalie Brondolo) Date: Tue Apr 6 16:31:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Ignoring Attachments Message-ID: <036701c41c16$3c793090$d8f918ac@NATALIEBDG75LJ11> Hi, Is it possible to have SpamBayes ignore messages with attachments? It seems that when SpamBayes internally opens the message to filter it, my anti-virus detects that the attachment is a virus and flags it. I'm just concerned that one day a virus will slip through that doesn't need the attachment opened to cause damage, and my anti-virus may not catch it. Thanks, Natalie From scales at zko.dec.com Tue Apr 6 16:56:14 2004 From: scales at zko.dec.com (Webb Scales) Date: Tue Apr 6 16:56:24 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Ignoring Attachments References: <036701c41c16$3c793090$d8f918ac@NATALIEBDG75LJ11> Message-ID: <4073196E.3A6854B9@zko.dec.com> Natalie Brondolo wrote: > I'm just > concerned that one day a virus will slip through that doesn't need the > attachment opened to cause damage, and my anti-virus may not catch it. Things like viruses, trojan horses, and the like need to be executed in order to have any effect. Their presence in a mail message does no harm (other than burning network bandwidth and disk space). They only cause a problem if something opens the mail message, unpacks the enclosure, and decides to follow its instructions. SpamBayes certainly will not do this (or, at least not directly -- I can't comment on what various Microsoft products will do if SpamBayes requests the contents of a given mail message...). So, I don't think you need to be concerned about SpamBayes and attachments, any more than you need to be concerned about looking at them yourself. If you do have concerns, direct them toward your mail client -- make sure that it doesn't do anything "automatic" with attachments (i.e., don't let it "open" them without asking first, particularly if they are executables or anything similar). Just "reading" them is not a problem -- the problem arises when your mail client tries to be "helpful" and automatically runs them for you when you open the rest of the mail message. Webb -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Webb Scales Hewlett-Packard Company scales (at) zko.dec.com 110 Spit Brook Rd, ZKO2-3/N30 Voice: 603.884.2196, FAX: 603.884.0120 Nashua, NH 03062-2711 Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040406/a63786ee/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 6 18:30:16 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 6 18:30:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Ignoring Attachments In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE4579@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BDB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Is it possible to have SpamBayes ignore messages with > attachments? It seems that when SpamBayes internally opens > the message to filter it, my anti-virus detects that the > attachment is a virus and flags it. I'm just concerned that > one day a virus will slip through that doesn't need the > attachment opened to cause damage, and my anti-virus may not catch it. See also the message from Webb, but: I suspect that you're using sb_server rather than the Outlook plug-in, and what's happening is that the anti-virus software is finding the copy of the message that sb_server caches (for training purposes). This is just a raw copy of the text and is never 'executed' in any way, so can't do any harm. Anti-virus software doesn't know this, though, so draws your attention to it anyway. If you use the "Use gzip" option (on the advanced configuration page), this should stop the problem, as the messages will be gzipped before they are saved in the cache. They're still not executed and the anti-virus software will probably ignore them. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 6 18:34:10 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 6 18:34:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Uninstalling Spambayes In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE4575@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BDD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I would like to remove Spambayes from my system. I tried > using the unistall feature on Windows Control Panel and it > seemed to work OK, but Spambayes still appears on the toolbar > and I cannot receive mail since doing the uninstall. The failure to remove the toolbar is a known bug. You just have to right click on the toolbar, choose customize, select the SpamBayes toolbar and click delete. The Outlook plug-in doesn't affect how mail is received at all (it just does some work when Outlook tells it that mail has arrived), so I can't see how it would be effecting receiving mail. The uninstall removes all the spambayes code, so there shouldn't be anything left anyway. (The toolbar should just be an empty shell that doesn't actually work - if the toolbar still works, then it's not uninstalled). Perhaps you should try using Outlook's "Detect and Repair" function? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From financialglobe at mymail-info.net Wed Apr 7 18:40:55 2004 From: financialglobe at mymail-info.net (TheFinancialGlobe.com) Date: Tue Apr 6 19:15:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] The Trump Report on (OTC BB:CIHR) Message-ID: <200404062239.i36Mdsue054117@mxzilla4.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040407/820f5d6b/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 6 21:10:06 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 6 21:10:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Does spambayes work on Windows NT In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE4573@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BDE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Does spabayes work with Windows NT? It should, yes. A few people have had troubles with the Outlook plug-in as a result of a buggy Windows dll, but it's reasonably simple to fix that (ask here if you have troubles, or search the archives). > If so, which version is it Whatever OS you are using, you will want to use the most recent version. Right now, that's 1.0a9 (0.9). > and where can I download it? >From our website, of course :) . =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From Didier.Morandi at freesurf.fr Wed Apr 7 04:38:43 2004 From: Didier.Morandi at freesurf.fr (Didier Morandi) Date: Wed Apr 7 04:38:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] outlook.pst deleted by antivirus --> spambayes KO Message-ID: <20040407083840.5981062D5C@mallaury.noc.nerim.net> I had my outlook.pst deleted by Kaspersky last night and I don't know why, the "create backup copy of infected file" option was disabled. When starting Outlook 2003/Windows XP this morning, it was broken. I created a new datafile, received 224 messages and trained Spambayes on them, but SpamBayes is not very happy with that: Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\Didier Morandi\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db' Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\Didier Morandi\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db' Bayes database initialized with 213 spam and 11 good messages SpamBayes Outlook Addin Binary Version 0.9 (February 2004) starting (with engine SpamBayes Engine Version 0.3 (January 2004)) on Windows 5.1.2600 (Service Pack 1) using Python 2.3.2+ (#49, Oct 23 2003, 15:50:06) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] SpamBayes: Watching (for filtering) in 'Dossiers personnels/Bo?te de r?ception' SpamBayes: Watching (for incremental training) in 'Dossiers personnels/Courrier ind?sirable' Processing missed spam in folder 'Bo?te de r?ception' by starting a timer Can't find a folder to expand: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\spambayes.zip\msgstore.py:126: FutureWarning: %u/%o/%x/%X of negative int will return a signed string in Python 2.4 and up NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\Didier Morandi\Application Data\SpamBayes\Microsoft Outlook Internet Settings.ini I tried to reinstall it, the interface and control panel look fine, but the background processing does not work anymore. Help! :-( Thanks, D. From Didier.Morandi at freesurf.fr Wed Apr 7 04:48:08 2004 From: Didier.Morandi at freesurf.fr (Didier Morandi) Date: Wed Apr 7 04:48:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] outlook.pst deleted by antivirus --> spambayes KO In-Reply-To: <20040407083840.5981062D5C@mallaury.noc.nerim.net> Message-ID: <20040407084804.BC59462DEA@mallaury.noc.nerim.net> Forget it, it works again ! Thanks, D. From vidyas at wrq.com Wed Apr 7 14:29:59 2004 From: vidyas at wrq.com (Vidya Shastri) Date: Wed Apr 7 14:30:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Can't add SpamBayes to Outlook 2002 SP3 (on Windows XP) Message-ID: <1A6B6A5A3597C340BB63728001DC787905405D@kodos.na.wrq.com> Hello, SpamBayes was working fine for me in Outlook when I had some unexpected error in Outlook during autoarchiving, which corrupted my SpamBayes installation (the toolbar buttons stopped working). I have tried everything -- repair Outlook, delete SpamBayes folder and registry entry, uninstall/reinstall SpamBayes (log files just say that the Registration was complete). I can't get the SpamBayes toolbar/buttons to show up after installation. The COM add-ins function on the Advanced tab in Outlook doesn't show SpamBayes. Any suggestions? Thanks, Vidya Vidya Shastri Software Development Manager WRQ, Inc. Seattle, WA 206.217.7500 vidyas@wrq.com WRQ software extends host applications, rapidly integrating them for new applications or new users. Rated #1 in customer support. Relied on daily by four out of five Fortune 500 companies. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040407/4c9e9d7e/attachment.html From vidyas at wrq.com Wed Apr 7 16:37:04 2004 From: vidyas at wrq.com (Vidya Shastri) Date: Wed Apr 7 16:37:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Can't add SpamBayes to Outlook 2002 SP3 (on Windows XP) Message-ID: <1A6B6A5A3597C340BB63728001DC78792D8944@kodos.na.wrq.com> Never mind. I was trying to install version 0081 of SpamBayes (which wasn't working in the described scenario), so I went to your web site and got the latest version (0091). This version works fine for me after installation. Thanks, Vidya > -----Original Message----- > From: Vidya Shastri > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 11:30 AM > To: 'spambayes@python.org' > Subject: Can't add SpamBayes to Outlook 2002 SP3 (on Windows XP) > > Hello, > > SpamBayes was working fine for me in Outlook when I had some unexpected > error in Outlook during autoarchiving, which corrupted my SpamBayes > installation (the toolbar buttons stopped working). I have tried > everything -- repair Outlook, delete SpamBayes folder and registry entry, > uninstall/reinstall SpamBayes (log files just say that the Registration > was complete). I can't get the SpamBayes toolbar/buttons to show up after > installation. The COM add-ins function on the Advanced tab in Outlook > doesn't show SpamBayes. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Vidya > > Vidya Shastri > Software Development Manager > WRQ, Inc. Seattle, WA > 206.217.7500 > vidyas@wrq.com > > WRQ software extends host applications, rapidly integrating them for new > applications or new users. > Rated #1 in customer support. Relied on daily by four out of five Fortune > 500 companies. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040407/0f3bcbe8/attachment.html From bl99bi at msn.com Wed Apr 7 21:05:13 2004 From: bl99bi at msn.com (Reyna Mccoy) Date: Wed Apr 7 17:06:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] have a blast Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040408/9310ad69/attachment.html From jason at jnlpro.com Wed Apr 7 17:22:40 2004 From: jason at jnlpro.com (Jason N Lee) Date: Wed Apr 7 17:10:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Is there a discuss list for SpamBayes Outlook Addin 0.9? Message-ID: <000301c41ce6$752b14f0$656418ac@bebop> Trying to find a forum to discuss an odd behavior in Outlook 2002 SP3. SpamBayes is performing just perfectly, no issues with upgrading SP2->SP3. Outlook on the other hand has a tizzy everytime it opens, warning me there is an application trying to access my addressbook (SpamBayes). The kooks at MS decided to not make this option configurable so it appears I am stuck with it even though I have tried reinstalling SpamBayes. I am hesitant to whack SpamBayes much more as I have a pretty healthy spam/ham index in it and would hate to retrain it. Any ideas, or where I could go more appropriately ask this question? Thanks all -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040407/a4b35efa/attachment.html From Amir_Katz at bmc.com Wed Apr 7 17:36:54 2004 From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir) Date: Wed Apr 7 17:37:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Is there a discuss list for SpamBayes Outlook Add in 0.9? Message-ID: Can't answer your specific question, but one thing I can tell you - there is no separate mail list for the Outlook add-in - just one list for both proxy and add-in versions. -----Original Message----- From: Jason N Lee [mailto:jason@jnlpro.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 00:23 To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Is there a discuss list for SpamBayes Outlook Addin 0.9? Trying to find a forum to discuss an odd behavior in Outlook 2002 SP3. SpamBayes is performing just perfectly, no issues with upgrading SP2->SP3. Outlook on the other hand has a tizzy everytime it opens, warning me there is an application trying to access my addressbook (SpamBayes). The kooks at MS decided to not make this option configurable so it appears I am stuck with it even though I have tried reinstalling SpamBayes. I am hesitant to whack SpamBayes much more as I have a pretty healthy spam/ham index in it and would hate to retrain it. Any ideas, or where I could go more appropriately ask this question? Thanks all -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040407/ea13bae3/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 7 19:02:02 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 7 19:02:14 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Is there a discuss list for SpamBayes Outlook Addin 0.9? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE4970@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BE9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Outlook on the other hand has a tizzy everytime it opens, > warning me there is an application trying to access my > addressbook (SpamBayes). Is this definitely SpamBayes and not (say) InBoxer? SpamBayes doesn't access the address book at all, so I can't see why you would get this warning (although I have not used OL 2K SP3, so maybe it's a bug with that). Does your log file contain anything unusual? What version of SpamBayes are you using? Was it downloaded from our website (i.e. via sourceforge)? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From jason-spambayes at jnlpro.com Wed Apr 7 19:57:46 2004 From: jason-spambayes at jnlpro.com (Jason Lee) Date: Wed Apr 7 19:46:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Is there a discuss list for SpamBayes Outlook Addin 0.9? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BE9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <000001c41cfc$1ffeb8e0$656418ac@bebop> Logfile is vanilla, I only get FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' - (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259), None) The above toolbar message is common - recreating the toolbar... Which as I read appears to be common ;) Following up from Harold's comment I am investigating if it's a MS Office issue entirely and nothing to do with SpamBayes. I apologize for disturbing you all -- here I was thinking MS would have QA'd their own stinkin SP. It might just be a PowerPoint (or other) MS add in and nothing to do with SB at all. Whew! I don't know what I'd do without the SpamBayes add in, it's soooooooooo beautiful. Thanks so much! -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:02 PM To: 'Jason N Lee'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Is there a discuss list for SpamBayes Outlook Addin 0.9? > Outlook on the other hand has a tizzy everytime it opens, > warning me there is an application trying to access my > addressbook (SpamBayes). Is this definitely SpamBayes and not (say) InBoxer? SpamBayes doesn't access the address book at all, so I can't see why you would get this warning (although I have not used OL 2K SP3, so maybe it's a bug with that). Does your log file contain anything unusual? What version of SpamBayes are you using? Was it downloaded from our website (i.e. via sourceforge)? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From NAVMSE-mail at atec.net.au Wed Apr 7 20:22:54 2004 From: NAVMSE-mail at atec.net.au (NAV for Microsoft Exchange-MAIL) Date: Wed Apr 7 20:14:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you sent. The inf ected attachment was deleted. Message-ID: Recipient of the infected attachment: ATEC - The Australian Tourism Export Council\Inbox Subject of the message: Mail Delivery (failure info@atec.net.au) One or more attachments were deleted Attachment message.scr was Deleted for the following reasons: Virus W32.Netsky.P@mm was found. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(This mail was classified has spam...... oupssss) On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 02:12, Toby Dickenson wrote: > On Saturday 27 March 2004 21:53, Remi Ricard wrote: > > > File "/gmc/logiciels/spambayes/scripts/sb_bnfilter.py", line 116, in > > main > > s = make_socket(server_options, filename) > > File "/gmc/logiciels/spambayes/scripts/sb_bnfilter.py", line 166, in > > make_socket > > s.connect(file) > > File "", line 1, in connect > > socket.error: (111, 'Connection refused') > > Interesting.... Not really with the help of Skip, I found that the filter and server were not in the same directory. > > > The command line was > > cat email.msg | sb_nbserver.py -d my_hammie.db > > Given the traceback, I assume that is a typo. Yes -- Remi Ricard From financialglobe at mymail-info.net Wed Apr 7 19:12:29 2004 From: financialglobe at mymail-info.net (TheFinancialGlobe.com) Date: Wed Apr 7 21:42:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] The Trump Report on (OTC BB:SVYR) Message-ID: <200404062311.i36NBTOn024477@mxzilla1.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040407/a1870a05/attachment.html From rxbjbra at aol.com Wed Apr 7 17:11:55 2004 From: rxbjbra at aol.com (Dorothy Simms) Date: Thu Apr 8 01:33:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] OnlinePharmacyCheap qxgsa Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sugarman) Date: Thu Apr 8 07:44:01 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] reading deleted messages Message-ID: <45E135BC24E3D411A33000B0D0799CD21C2614@SERVER01> When I open the "junk mail" or "suspects" files, I only see the date the message was received. If I want to check to make sure the program is filtering only spam, I have to open each message. How can SpamBayes be set to show the sender and title of each filtered message in the Junk and Suspects files? From Iamcarole at shaw.ca Thu Apr 8 01:47:58 2004 From: Iamcarole at shaw.ca (Carole) Date: Thu Apr 8 08:39:03 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambays.doc Message-ID: <0HVU00J0883VJ5@l-daemon> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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K?nnen Sie mir vielleicht > helfen? > > > > Outlool 2003 wird beim benden nicht ganz beendet, verbleibt im > Taskmanager, > > wenn Spambayes installiert ist. > > > > WindowsXP > > > -- Tim Stone From tim.one at comcast.net Thu Apr 8 11:59:50 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Thu Apr 8 11:59:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Problem with Toolbar.....web suggestions tried but still doesn't work Message-ID: An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Subject: FW: Problem with Toolbar.....web suggestions tried but still doesn't work Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:52:50 -0400 Size: 7135 Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040408/8d21af23/attachment.mht From jeanine at cancunassist.com Thu Apr 8 12:59:21 2004 From: jeanine at cancunassist.com (Jeanine Leibowitch) Date: Thu Apr 8 12:59:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] you program Message-ID: Hi, I installed your program yesterday, and it worked wonderfully. 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040408/10cd0dda/attachment.html From jonw at gdpspace.com Thu Apr 8 13:18:46 2004 From: jonw at gdpspace.com (Jon Weitzman) Date: Thu Apr 8 13:24:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help---Still no luck running spambayes on an NTsystem?? Tony Meyer In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BD3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <000001c41d8d$d3fd3ec0$36dbeace@deltainfo.com> Tony, It is Version 5.0. I'm running IE 6.0. with SP 1 so I have to assume that its the new version of 5.0. Jon Weitzman -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:40 PM To: jonw@gdpspace.com; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Help---Still no luck running spambayes on an NTsystem?? My bad!!!!!!! > There is a spambayes log in c:temp. > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "addin.py", line 1546, in ? > File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 477, in UseCommandLine > File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 407, in RegisterClasses > File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 261, in RegisterServer > File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 85, in _cat_registrar > pywintypes.com_error: (-2147467262, 'No such interface > supported', None, None) > > Does this offer any insight to anyone?? Googling for '"No such interface supported" spambayes' brings up a lot of stuff. I think the relevant problem is this: If you could check the version of the DLL as described there, that would help. The problem reports seems to mostly come from NT users, so I gather it's a particular problem there. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From amaa at caravelle-travel.com Thu Apr 8 14:30:19 2004 From: amaa at caravelle-travel.com (Adriana Maa) Date: Thu Apr 8 14:35:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question Message-ID: <2B1D9207665F1B4BBE8708EEEDB22682BB94F6@caravelle-travel.com> I have accidently deleted my "spam folder". How do I get it back? Adriana Maa QC Supervisor Caravelle Travel amaa@caravelle-travel.com 847-619-8323 From Burkhard.Kayser at t-online.de Thu Apr 8 14:37:17 2004 From: Burkhard.Kayser at t-online.de (Burkhard Kayser) Date: Thu Apr 8 14:37:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] python.exe crashes when running sb_notesfilter.py Message-ID: <200404082037.17899.burkhard.kayser@t-online.de> I just tried sb_notesfilet.py. python.exe crashes as soon as win32com.client.Dispatch( "Lotus.NotesSession" ) is executed. No matter if Lotus is already running or not. Has somebody a tip how to debug ? Burkhard From hcarter at tiv.com Thu Apr 8 16:07:56 2004 From: hcarter at tiv.com (hcarter@tiv.com) Date: Thu Apr 8 16:07:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy Message-ID: <200404081507546.SM01236@dlarsenlaptop.tivholdings.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SpamBayesServer1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 209 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040408/e33a7e93/SpamBayesServer1.obj -------------- next part -------------- I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 0.4 (February 2004) (binary), with version 2.3.2+ (#49, Oct 23 2003, 15:50:06) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service Pack 1). I have trained 0 ham and 0 spam. The problem I am having is [DESCRIBE YOUR PROBLEM HERE] I have Eudora and I am trying to setup the proxy. How do I set the spambayes proxy to authenticate to the mail server? From michael at kimballpottery.com Thu Apr 8 17:27:02 2004 From: michael at kimballpottery.com (Michael Kimball) Date: Thu Apr 8 17:27:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Multiple accounts on one POP3 server? Also choosing ports? Message-ID: <4075C3A6.ACCE9473@kimballpottery.com> I've been testing SpamBayes (1.0a9) for the last couple of days and am about ready to set it up so my wife can use it as well. We both have separate accounts on the same POP3 mail server. In the configure section I couldn't see anything where I would specify an account, just the mail server and port. It APPEARS to have got my account O.K. and ignored hers, as my email is filtered through SpamBayes, but hers isn't. My bayescustomize.ini doesn't identify any accounts, just the mail server and port. I'm hoping it will be as easy as simply opening her mail account before starting SB, but do I add the same port and server a second time? And as for ports: There is no indication in the info as to which ports I should be using, and I have no idea myself which ports are in use already by other apps, and which are customarily used by specific apps. my email client doesn't specify any ports (at least not in the user interface, where I could see them). I just picked a number at random and then the Spambayes Web Interface: Home showed "POP3 proxy running on 13, proxying to mail.kimballpottery.com:110". I assumed 110 was the proper port and changed the configuration to that. It seems to be working. Are there specific ports SpamBayes SHOULD be using? Thank you, Mike K From michael at kimballpottery.com Thu Apr 8 17:46:46 2004 From: michael at kimballpottery.com (Michael Kimball) Date: Thu Apr 8 17:47:14 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Web Interface?? References: <4075C3A6.ACCE9473@kimballpottery.com> Message-ID: <4075C846.93427B41@kimballpottery.com> When the SpamBayes Web Interface is up, this shows in the location bar: http://localhost:8880/home. I'm thinking this means the file is local - somewhere. But where? I'd like to edit it so it uses a better layout in my browser. Or is there some sort of "style/layout" file I can force my browser(s) to use to display it? I know there is some sort of CSS file that mozilla based browsers can use so they can display the contents of a page as the user wants to see it, versus the way the web page author designed it (e.g. for visually challenged people - or even for people who are just tired of webpages in red 4 pt text on black backgrounds - ), but I don't know how to enable them. And I doubt they can alter the actual layout of a page (i.e. how can CSS show navigation links on the right side of the page if the author shows them on the left? etc.). Thank you, Mike K. From AV_SMTP_GW at 1stsource.com Thu Apr 8 18:20:59 2004 From: AV_SMTP_GW at 1stsource.com (AV_SMTP_GW@1stsource.com) Date: Thu Apr 8 18:21:01 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Content violation Message-ID: Content violation found in email message. From: spambayes@python.org To: dave@1stsource.com File(s): private_01.pif Matching filename: *.pif From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 8 22:12:43 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 8 22:12:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Web Interface?? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E10B05@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BF3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > When the SpamBayes Web Interface is up, this shows in the > location bar: http://localhost:8880/home. I'm thinking this > means the file is local - somewhere. But where? Almost. It means that the website is locally hosted. The site itself is dynamic, though, so there aren't a collection of files (home.html, config.html, etc) sitting somewhere that you can edit. Instead, the site is created based on a template (in ui_html.py) and various other data. > I'd like to edit it so it uses a better layout in my browser. > Or is there some sort of "style/layout" file I can force > my browser(s) to use to display it? If you run sb_server from source, and you install resourcepackage , then you can edit the ui.html file (in the spambayes/resources directory) and have the page layout change. You'd have to be careful, though, to ensure that you didn't break anything that was necessary (from the code's point of view), and familiarity with the SpamBayes UI code would help. What in particular do you feel needs to be improved so that the layout suits your browser more? Maybe it's something that we agree with and so we can change? Or if not, and you can still make a convincing argument for it, we could modify the UI a bit so that an alternative CSS stylesheet could be used. > And I doubt they can alter the actual layout of a page (i.e. how > can CSS show navigation links on the right side of the page if > the author shows them on the left? etc.). Well, you can do this, as long as the HTML is designed to let you. (i.e. you put things that belong together in div tags, or something similar, and then you use CSS to move the div'd content around). The ability of CSS to change the look of a page is directly related to the extent that the HTML author has tried to let you do this. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 8 22:24:56 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 8 22:25:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Multiple accounts on one POP3 server? Also choosingports? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E10AF8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B78@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I've been testing SpamBayes (1.0a9) for the last couple of > days and am about ready to set it up so my wife can use it as > well. We both have separate accounts on the same POP3 mail > server. In the configure section I couldn't see anything > where I would specify an account, just the mail server and > port. It APPEARS to have got my account O.K. and ignored > hers, as my email is filtered through SpamBayes, but hers > isn't. My bayescustomize.ini doesn't identify any accounts, > just the mail server and port. I'm hoping it will be as easy > as simply opening her mail account before starting SB, but do > I add the same port and server a second time? No, you don't need to do that. Because SpamBayes is a simple proxy, it doesn't care what account you use, just which server:port it needs to connect to (i.e. pretend to be). For example, if you set SpamBayes to proxy mail.example.com:110 on localhost:110, then when you connect to localhost:110, SpamBayes will present you with what you'd normally get from mail.exmaple.com:110. You (well, your mail client) then says "USER michael" or "USER michael_wife", and SpamBayes simply puts that directly through to the actual mail.example.com:110 connection. It doesn't care who you connect as. If you were connecting to two different servers, then you'd need to enter them both, on separate local ports (8110 and 8111, for example). If you do enter the same server twice, this won't matter, and won't make any difference at all. > And as for ports: There is no indication in the info as to > which ports I should be using, and I have no idea myself > which ports are in use already by other apps, and which are > customarily used by specific apps. I could have sworn that there was a suggestion there, but apart from a brief mention in README.txt (which isn't included with the binary sb_server) there isn't, so I guess my memory is wrong :) I think there probably should be - where do you think the information would be best placed? In the explanation text next to the option, or in the help text for the configuration page (i.e. from the "help" link at the bottom of the page), or in the initial readme document, or in a combination of these? If you're using Windows, you should be fine with using port 110 for incoming mail (and you can leave out the outgoing settings, unless you want to train via mail forwarding). This makes it easier to setup the mail clients, too. It's unlikely to already be in use, unless you're already running a POP3 proxy/server. If it is in use, or you're using Linux/Mac OS X, then you should probably use a high-numbered port, like 8110. To see if it is in use with Windows, do: START->Run->cmd.exe (or START->Run->command.exe with old versions of Windows), then in the command prompt, type "telnet localhost 110" and press enter. If it says that it failed to connect, then the port is free. If you do connect to something, then it's taken (press control-] then q then enter to disconnect). > my email client doesn't specify any ports (at least not in > the user interface, where I could see them). Most clients hide the port in some sort of advanced configuration page/tab/dialog. IIRC Eudora goes even further and you have to edit the config file manually if you want to have different ports for each connection. It should be there somewhere, though. But if you use 110 (for both your connection and your wife's) then you should be able to leave it unchanged. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 8 22:28:35 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 8 22:28:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E10ABD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BF5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have Eudora and I am trying to setup the proxy. > How do I set the spambayes proxy to > authenticate to the mail server? You need to: 1. Go to the configuration page of the SpamBayes web interface and enter in your POP3 server's name in the top box, and a port (probably 110) in the second one. I suspect that you have done this already. 2. In Eudora, choose "Options" from the "Tools" menu, and click the "Checking mail" icon on the left. 3. Change the value in the "Mail server" box to "localhost". (This is with Eudora 6.0, but I don't think it's changed for some time). And that should be all that you need to do. If you tell Eudora to check for new mail, it should go via SpamBayes, rather than directly to the mail server. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 8 22:29:36 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 8 22:29:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] python.exe crashes when running sb_notesfilter.py In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE4BC6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BF6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I just tried sb_notesfilet.py. > python.exe crashes as soon as win32com.client.Dispatch( > "Lotus.NotesSession" ) > is executed. No matter if Lotus is already running or not. > Has somebody a tip how to debug ? What version of Lotus Notes is this? Could you post the traceback that gets printed out? It probably has an error code that we can use to debug further. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 8 22:30:32 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 8 22:30:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE4BC1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BF7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have accidently deleted my "spam folder". How do I get it back? See FAQ 3.13: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 8 22:34:43 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 8 22:34:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] you program In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE4BB0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B79@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I installed your program yesterday, and it worked > wonderfully. I trained it, all the messages arrived > in my junk suspected, and I put them where I wanted. > But today, the filter doesn't work (or I mean, the program), > all my emails arrive in my inbox like before. It would really help to see your log file. To get to this, select "SpamBayes Manager" from the SpamBayes button on the toolbar, go to the "Advanced" tab, click the "Diagnostics" button, and then the "View log" button. Copy this out into a reply-all to this message, and it should have the clues that we need to figure out why it stopped working. In addition, if you get any error messages, it would help to know what they say. If you don't get any, it would help to know that too! :) [...] > and I have the spambayes version 1.64 That seems unlikely, since there isn't a version 1.64. Where did you get that version number? To find the SpamBayes version number, open the Manager dialog (from the SpamBayes button on the toolbar) and it's right underneath the "SpamBayes" image. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 8 22:42:03 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 8 22:43:31 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamByes Fehler In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE4BAD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BF9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Which being translated is: I have discovered a disturbing > error. Can you perhaps help me? Outlook 2003 when closing > doesn't completely close rather it remains in the Task Manager > when spam bayes is installed. > > Windows XP Does this happen if you disable SpamBayes? Or if you uninstall it? (If you uninstall it and the reinstall it, you won't lose any configuration or training data). Have you checked to see if it's not just taking longer to close? (i.e. is it still open 5 minutes later?). Could you send us your log files? > Spambayes ist das beste Spamtool das es gibt. Gratulation! > > Habe einen kleinen st?renden Fehler entdeckt. K?nnen Sie mir > vielleicht helfen? > > Outlool 2003 wird beim benden nicht ganz beendet, verbleibt im > Taskmanager, > > wenn Spambayes installiert ist. > > WindowsXP Geschieht dieses, wenn Sie SpamBayes sperren? Oder wenn Sie uninstall es? (wenn Sie uninstall es und wieder installieren es, Sie won't irgendeine Konfiguration oder Training Daten verlieren). Haben Sie ?berpr?ft, um zu sehen wenn it's nicht gerade l?nger nehmend zum Ende? (ist d.h. es noch ge?ffnete 5 Minuten sp?ter?). Konnten Sie uns Ihre Maschinenbordbuchakten schicken? Verzeihen Sie bitte dem schlechten Deutschen, das automatisch ?bersetzt wurde. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 8 22:44:59 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 8 22:45:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] reading deleted messages In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE4BAB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BFA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > When I open the "junk mail" or "suspects" files, I only see > the date the message was received. If I want to check to > make sure the program is filtering only spam, I have to open > each message. > > How can SpamBayes be set to show the sender and title of each > filtered message in the Junk and Suspects files? You're using the Outlook plug-in, yes? (If not, then this question has a completely different answer, so ask again!). The Suspect and Junk folders are just regular Outlook folders, no different from any other (mail) folder. If you want to add more columns to the view, then you do what you normally do with Outlook. With Outlook 2002, this means: right-click on the column headings, choose "Field Chooser", find the fields (e.g. "From" and "Subject") that you are interested in, and drag them to the place in the column headings that you want them to appear. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 8 22:51:46 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 8 22:51:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambays.doc In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE4BAC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BFB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I am running Microsoft Outlook 2003. I get this box. > MY ISP cannot help me. I am a granmother with very limited > skills and although I have read your web page and your > help I don't understand most of it. I can follow instructions. It seems pretty unlikely that you're getting this because you have SpamBayes installed. Although it probably seems like it, SpamBayes doesn't actually do anything to the normal process of receiving email. What it does do is wait for Outlook to say "a new message has arrived" and then it looks at that message and gives it a score (and maybe moves it). The error that you're getting is during the actual receiving of mail, which is before SpamBayes does anything, so it's not likely that it's the cause. The easiest way to check is to disable SpamBayes and see if the problem still occurs: 1. Click on the "SpamBayes" button on the toolbar towards the top-left of the screen. 2. In the drop-down menu that appears, select "SpamBayes Manager". 3. Untick the "Enable SpamBayes" box. Have another go. If the problem *does* go away, then it is somehow SpamBayes' fault, and tell us this so we can look into it more. To be absolutely sure that it's not SpamBayes, you could uninstall it: 1. From the Start menu, go to the "Control Panel". 2. Open up the "Add/Remove Programs" control panel. 3. Scroll down the list until you find SpamBayes. 3. Click "Remove". Have another go. If the problem goes away, then, again, it's SpamBayes' fault, so tell us that. If it doesn't, then it's definitely nothing to do with SpamBayes, and you can reinstall it just like you installed it the first time (double-clicking the "spambayes-1.0a9" file. Note that you won't lose any of the work you have done in setting it up or training it if you do this (that is saved somewhere that the uninstall doesn't remove it). Despite you saying that your ISP can't help you, it really does look like a problem that they should be helping with (some sort of trouble connecting to their mail server). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 8 23:04:27 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 8 23:04:34 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help---Still no luck running spambayes on anNTsystem?? Tony Meyer In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE4BB6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B7B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > It is Version 5.0. I'm running IE 6.0. with SP 1 so I > have to assume that its the new version of 5.0. Drat. It's obviously not the same problem then, although it's the same error message. Everything that google gives me regarding this error message says that it's some problem with comcat.dll, and it's pretty much always with NT. I don't really know enough more to figure anything else out (and don't have a NT machine here to try things out on). I'm afraid that the only suggestion I have left is to open a bug tracker on sourceforge with the appropriate information (including the things tried so far), which will get assigned to Mark, who (literally) wrote the book about Python & COM. He'll look at it when he gets a chance. Sorry to not be of more use! =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 8 23:06:23 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 8 23:07:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Have Junk E-Mail folder deleted? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE440F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BFD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I do not find in the Outlook 2003 "Filtering" control panel > the way to have genuine Junk messages "deleted" or "moved to the Trash > folder", as this folder does not show up in the folders list > where to move messages into. This is deliberate. See FAQ 3.11: > I'd like to see a way to do this which will, together with > Outlook's ability to empty the trash when leaving, get rid of > that noise. As of today, I understand that I have to delete my > spam manually, which is not really convenient. You can use Outlook's AutoArchive facility (archiving can be set to "deleting") to do this. See FAQ 3.9: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 8 23:13:50 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 8 23:14:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305CE456D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B7C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > "Does this happen if you disable or uninstall (no training or > configuration data is lost if you uninstall then reinstall) > SpamBayes? I haven't seen this reported before, and given > what SpamBayes does, it's hard to see how it would cause this." > > Yes. I have read all of your troubleshooting and FAQ guides, > and one of the first things I did was to delete the config > files and start over. I uninstalled and > reinstalled........but it still does it. What I asked wasn't whether it still happened if you reinstalled, but if it still happened if you uninstalled. That would confirm that it is a problem with SpamBayes, rather than some other Outlook problem. My comment about reinstalling was to assure you (unnecessarily, as it turned out) that you wouldn't lose any data by trying this. I'd still like to know whether the problem occurs if SpamBayes is uninstalled, and also whether it happens if SpamBayes is simply disabled (via the "Manager" dialog, accessable from the SpamBayes toolbar). >> "I'm rather confused by what you mean here. By "drag a new >> message to the 'delete as spam' bar", do you mean that you are: >> >> (a) Dragging the message to the "Delete as spam" button on >> the toolbar. >> (b) Selecting the message and clicking the "Delete as spam" >> button on the toolbar. >> (c) Dragging the message to the Spam folder. > I'm doing (a). This is what concerns me most. I'm also using Outlook 2002 (with XP, rather than 2K, but that shouldn't make a difference). Doing (a) does nothing (which is what I would suspect) - the cursor turns into a circle with a line through it, pointing out that this is an invalid operation, and the message says where it is. Could you mail me a screenshot with a message held over the "delete as spam" button to show that it *doesn't* have the 'invalid' cursor on your machine? For anyone else reading this and using the plug-in, could you try doing (a) and let me know whether it works? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 8 23:16:43 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 8 23:16:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Bug report In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305BC7A9F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B7D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > since I've installed the software I get an error > whenever I shut down Outlook. Error says > "Runtime Error! Abnormal program termination". Have you tried using Outlook's "Detect and Repair" function? > I believe this is why filter setting changes are saved on exit. They're not, actually. Changes to the configuration are saved when you close the Manager dialog. Changes to the training/message databases are saved after they complete. (Unless you're using a very old version of the plug-in, which did wait until closing to do saving. If this is the case, then you really should upgrade, because there have been a lot of bugs fixed and improvements made since then). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From michael at kimballpottery.com Fri Apr 9 00:11:47 2004 From: michael at kimballpottery.com (Michael Kimball) Date: Fri Apr 9 00:12:24 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Multiple accounts on one POP3 server? Also choosingports? References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B78@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <40762283.9368297C@kimballpottery.com> Tony Meyer wrote: > > > snip snip snip (re configuring SpamBayes for multiple accounts on the same POP3 server) > > No, you don't need to do that. Because SpamBayes is a simple proxy, it > doesn't care what account you use, just which server:port it needs to > connect to (i.e. pretend to be). For example, if you set SpamBayes to proxy > mail.example.com:110 on localhost:110, then when you connect to > localhost:110, SpamBayes will present you with what you'd normally get from > mail.exmaple.com:110. You (well, your mail client) then says "USER michael" > or "USER michael_wife", and SpamBayes simply puts that directly through to > the actual mail.example.com:110 connection. It doesn't care who you connect > as. > > If you were connecting to two different servers, then you'd need to enter > them both, on separate local ports (8110 and 8111, for example). > > If you do enter the same server twice, this won't matter, and won't make any > difference at all. Thanks, Tony. She's still not ready to try it yet, but I think the upshot of this is that when she is ready, I simply configure her account to use "localhost", assuming she is using the same port. I.E. No further configuration of SpamBayes. > > > And as for ports: There is no indication in the info as to > > which ports I should be using, and I have no idea myself > > which ports are in use already by other apps, and which are > > customarily used by specific apps. > > I could have sworn that there was a suggestion there, but apart from a brief > mention in README.txt (which isn't included with the binary sb_server) there > isn't, so I guess my memory is wrong :) I think there probably should be - > where do you think the information would be best placed? In the explanation > text next to the option, or in the help text for the configuration page > (i.e. from the "help" link at the bottom of the page), or in the initial > readme document, or in a combination of these? A combination: right next to the option something like "if your email client doesn't show which port it uses, try 110. If that doesn't work, check :this link:" Which would be a link into a specific section of the help file with pretty much the same info as you have in the following paragraphs. Probably a similar brief description in the Readme and something in the FAQ as well. > > If you're using Windows, you should be fine with using port 110 for incoming > mail (and you can leave out the outgoing settings, unless you want to train > via mail forwarding). This makes it easier to setup the mail clients, too. > It's unlikely to already be in use, unless you're already running a POP3 > proxy/server. If it is in use, or you're using Linux/Mac OS X, then you > should probably use a high-numbered port, like 8110. > > To see if it is in use with Windows, do: START->Run->cmd.exe (or > START->Run->command.exe with old versions of Windows), then in the command > prompt, type "telnet localhost 110" and press enter. If it says that it > failed to connect, then the port is free. If you do connect to something, > then it's taken (press control-] then q then enter to disconnect). > > > my email client doesn't specify any ports (at least not in > > the user interface, where I could see them). > > Most clients hide the port in some sort of advanced configuration > page/tab/dialog. IIRC Eudora goes even further and you have to edit the > config file manually if you want to have different ports for each > connection. It should be there somewhere, though. But if you use 110 (for > both your connection and your wife's) then you should be able to leave it > unchanged. > > =Tony Meyer Thank you Tony. My wife and I both use Netscape 4.79, which doesn't allow two profiles running at once, so only one of us will be using SpamBayes at any given time. Probably, somewhere in the various Netscape newsgroups, there will be someone who knows which files identify the port, and how one would go about changing it, if need be. There was one other minor problem/annoyance that might show up if you use my suggestion to provide a link to more detailed info about which port to use: Whenever I leave the configuration page to check something, and then come back to it, any settings I had made are gone, and I have to redo them. (Since the only changes I had made were identifying the mail server and port to use. it wasn't a particularly onerous task :) MK > > --- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This > way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From michael at kimballpottery.com Fri Apr 9 00:23:18 2004 From: michael at kimballpottery.com (Michael Kimball) Date: Fri Apr 9 00:23:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Web Interface?? References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BF3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <40762536.F4E14A89@kimballpottery.com> Tony Meyer wrote: > > > When the SpamBayes Web Interface is up, this shows in the > > location bar: http://localhost:8880/home. I'm thinking this > > means the file is local - somewhere. But where? > > Almost. It means that the website is locally hosted. The site itself is > dynamic, though, so there aren't a collection of files (home.html, > config.html, etc) sitting somewhere that you can edit. Instead, the site is > created based on a template (in ui_html.py) and various other data. > > > I'd like to edit it so it uses a better layout in my browser. > > Or is there some sort of "style/layout" file I can force > > my browser(s) to use to display it? > > If you run sb_server from source, and you install resourcepackage > , then you can edit the ui.html file > (in the spambayes/resources directory) and have the page layout change. > You'd have to be careful, though, to ensure that you didn't break anything > that was necessary (from the code's point of view), and familiarity with the > SpamBayes UI code would help. > > What in particular do you feel needs to be improved so that the layout suits > your browser more? Maybe it's something that we agree with and so we can > change? Or if not, and you can still make a convincing argument for it, we > could modify the UI a bit so that an alternative CSS stylesheet could be > used. The main thing is that the "Review Messages" table is too wide for my screen. Other things I'd like to change: Pasting a message into the 'Train this message' box. The box is SO SMALL. I'd like to enlarge it, or make it resizable so I can see more of the message. (I've been cutting out the SpamBayes headers, so it trains on a message without those clues) Instead of leaving that page to view a specific message, I'd like to pop open a different browser window and review it there. Hmmm, maybe I can do this simply by right-clicking on the message and choosing 'Open in a new window' And finally links to all the SpamBayes Web Interface pages up top. I think maybe your Outlook addin does this. Some of the mail in the list seems to be describing 'toolbar'(s) that I don't have. Thank you. MK > > > And I doubt they can alter the actual layout of a page (i.e. how > > can CSS show navigation links on the right side of the page if > > the author shows them on the left? etc.). > > Well, you can do this, as long as the HTML is designed to let you. (i.e. > you put things that belong together in div tags, or something similar, and > then you use CSS to move the div'd content around). The ability of CSS to > change the look of a page is directly related to the extent that the HTML > author has tried to let you do this. > > =Tony Meyer > > --- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This > way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From Didier.Morandi at freesurf.fr Fri Apr 9 02:21:36 2004 From: Didier.Morandi at freesurf.fr (Didier Morandi) Date: Fri Apr 9 02:21:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BF5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <20040409062133.81B4562D79@mallaury.noc.nerim.net> Let me add my two cents here. I actually did that yesterday at a Customer's place. He was using Outlook express. I went to the mail server choice, and changed pop.free.fr to localhost (without any port numbers). Then I called the WEB interface via the icon in the menu bar (Windows XP) and entered pop.free.fr as the incoming server name and 110 as the port (default value). Then I called Outlook and Bob became suddenly my Uncle (I love that expression). Voil?. What is less evident is the training part. It took me more than half an hour to find the location of the mail folders. Using SHOW HIDDEN FILES and NO NOT HIDE SYSTEM AND HIDDEN FILES, I finally found them in an obscure coded directory that I just cannot remember now, but it is somewhere in a local settings folder of the user (not the Outlook one, another one). Then I split my already received mail into two folders manually, JUNK and GOOD, then quit Outlook Express, then went back to the SpamBayes WEB interface and trained it with both folders. That's it D. > -----Message d'origine----- > De : spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] De la part de Tony Meyer > Envoy? : vendredi 9 avril 2004 04:29 > ? : hcarter@tiv.com; spambayes@python.org > Objet : RE: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy > > > I have Eudora and I am trying to setup the proxy. > > How do I set the spambayes proxy to > > authenticate to the mail server? > > You need to: > > 1. Go to the configuration page of the SpamBayes web > interface and enter > in your POP3 server's name in the top box, and a port > (probably 110) in the > second one. I suspect that you have done this already. > > 2. In Eudora, choose "Options" from the "Tools" menu, and click the > "Checking mail" icon on the left. > > 3. Change the value in the "Mail server" box to "localhost". > > (This is with Eudora 6.0, but I don't think it's changed for > some time). > > And that should be all that you need to do. If you tell > Eudora to check for > new mail, it should go via SpamBayes, rather than directly to the mail > server. > > =Tony Meyer > > --- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about > SpamBayes. This > way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies > when I'm busy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From Didier.Morandi at freesurf.fr Fri Apr 9 02:23:22 2004 From: Didier.Morandi at freesurf.fr (Didier Morandi) Date: Fri Apr 9 02:23:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Have Junk E-Mail folder deleted? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677BFD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <20040409062319.4FA6862D9F@mallaury.noc.nerim.net> Sorry sorry, I forgot to read the faq :-( Thanks, D. > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] > Envoy? : vendredi 9 avril 2004 05:06 > ? : 'Didier Morandi'; SpamBayes@python.org > Objet : RE: [Spambayes] Have Junk E-Mail folder deleted? > > > I do not find in the Outlook 2003 "Filtering" control panel > > the way to have genuine Junk messages "deleted" or "moved > to the Trash > > folder", as this folder does not show up in the folders list > > where to move messages into. > > This is deliberate. See FAQ 3.11: > > d-to-the-delet > ed-items-folder> > > > I'd like to see a way to do this which will, together with > > Outlook's ability to empty the trash when leaving, get rid of > > that noise. As of today, I understand that I have to delete my > > spam manually, which is not really convenient. > > You can use Outlook's AutoArchive facility (archiving can be set to > "deleting") to do this. See FAQ 3.9: > > o-delete-spam- > rather-than-moving-it> > > =Tony Meyer > > --- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about > SpamBayes. This > way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies > when I'm busy. > From WQVYKPDTCZDN at msn.com Fri Apr 9 21:11:12 2004 From: WQVYKPDTCZDN at msn.com (Elisabeth Davison) Date: Fri Apr 9 03:19:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: information Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040409/824d685e/attachment.html From Stephen.Swarcheck at unisys.com Fri Apr 9 09:25:28 2004 From: Stephen.Swarcheck at unisys.com (Swarcheck, Stephen S) Date: Fri Apr 9 09:59:21 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Remove Message-ID: <3F3674A6119CE54D95959F99E3DDD75E0349DEA0@USTR-EXCH4.na.uis.unisys.com> I need to remove the program, how do I do that? Company policy. THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. From stuart at krivis.com Fri Apr 9 12:42:17 2004 From: stuart at krivis.com (Stuart Krivis) Date: Fri Apr 9 12:42:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] is anyone using spambayes on solaris? In-Reply-To: <20040405234200.86152.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040405234200.86152.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4076D269.7040708@krivis.com> brown wrap wrote: > > i must be doing something wrong and would like to see > how people brought this up on solaris. > I just set it up on Solaris 9 today. It didn't like the version of python I had installed (Python 2.2 (#1, May 19 2003, 18:47:03) from the Software Companion CD that Sun provided. It's in /opt/sfw/bin The first problem was that the email package was too old, and I fixed this by following the instructions in SB README.txt file. I was seeing some other problems, and I'm not that familiar with python, so I decided to take the easy way out. I grabbed the latest Python pkg from ActiveState and installed it. Default location is /opt/ASpy23/ So, you've extracted the SB source somewhere and cd to that directory. /opt/ASpy23/bin/python setup.py install mkdir ~/.spambayes cd ~/.spambayes /opt/ASpy23/bin/python /opt/ASpy23/bin/sb_server.py Open and web browser and go to localhost:8880 Configure SB to your liking. You can, of course, write an init script to start SB, but I haven't gotten that far yet. :-) -- Stuart Krivis stuart@krivis.com From stuart at krivis.com Fri Apr 9 12:57:22 2004 From: stuart at krivis.com (Stuart Krivis) Date: Fri Apr 9 12:57:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] is anyone using spambayes on solaris? In-Reply-To: <4076D269.7040708@krivis.com> References: <20040405234200.86152.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> <4076D269.7040708@krivis.com> Message-ID: <4076D5F2.1050602@krivis.com> Stuart Krivis wrote: > > You can, of course, write an init script to start SB, but I haven't > gotten that far yet. :-) I took a look and found that there is a very fancy :-) init script at: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/unix.html Modify it to suit your system. (It looks like it's designed for RedHat.) -- Stuart Krivis stuart@krivis.com From me at wesgates.com Fri Apr 9 16:40:28 2004 From: me at wesgates.com (Wes Gates) Date: Fri Apr 9 16:41:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Citrix Message-ID: Can SpamBayes be installed on a Citrix server? I couldn't find anything in the FAQs about this. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040409/9ae7a7a0/attachment.html From usr7-28hl at xemaps.com Fri Apr 9 20:05:52 2004 From: usr7-28hl at xemaps.com (usr7-28hl@xemaps.com) Date: Fri Apr 9 20:08:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes, IMAP, Thunderbird: Doesn't Work for Me! Message-ID: Hi, everyone. I successfully used SpamBayes a while ago with The Bat! and POP3. I switched to IMAP a few months ago, and finally got around to trying the latest IMAP version with the latest Thunderbird. However, so far, no good 8-(. I executed both: sb_imapfilter.py -b and sb_imapfilter.py -c -t -l 5 In SpamBayes Configuration, I set server to mail.mailsnare.net (I'm using MailSnare for my IMAP service) and entered my MailSnare login and password. (I've tried it both with SSL enabled and disabled.) In Thunderbird, under Server Settings, I set Server Name to localhost (I also tried 127.0.0.1) and port to 993, then entered my User Name (no place to enter password). When I try to connect, I get the error Alert: Could not connect to mail server localhost; the connection was refused. Can anyone tell me what I doing wrong? Is there a setting I'm missing somewhere? Also...I don't know whether or not this is related, but when I start SpamBayes, I get the following: F:\Programming\Python\Scripts>python sb_imapfilter.py -c -t -l 5 -v SpamBayes IMAP Filter Version 0.2 (February 2004) and engine SpamBayes Engine Version 0.3 (January 2004). Loading database e:\SpamBayes\Proxy\statistics_database.db...Loading state from e:\SpamBayes\Proxy\statistics_database.db database e:\SpamBayes\Proxy\statistics_database.db is an existing database, with 56 spam and 246 ham Done. Training Training took 0.0 seconds, 0 messages were trained Classifying Tried to select an invalid folder Why is it selecting an invalid folder? Thanks for your help. -- Keith Russell From scott at hbrealestateservices.com Sat Apr 10 21:11:13 2004 From: scott at hbrealestateservices.com (Scott Miller) Date: Sat Apr 10 21:11:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: I have reinstalled the program and set up new folders under the filter program and I keep getting,? You must enable SpamBayes before you can delete as Spam? What do I do to correct this problem?? Scott J. Miller Director of Real Estate & Finance American Home Realty & Loans Tel: 714-374-0491 Fax:714-374-0494 Cell:714-801-2111 Email:Scott@HbRealEstateServices.com Web: www.HbRealEstateServices.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040410/0fef93b3/attachment.html From bob at 1776.com Sat Apr 10 18:31:05 2004 From: bob at 1776.com (Robert K. Coe) Date: Sun Apr 11 08:07:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Have Junk E-Mail folder deleted? In-Reply-To: <20040406033615.7F1F4418EA@kraid.nerim.net> Message-ID: <000101c41f4b$83d1f5c0$6501a8c0@City> > didier morandi ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~ Revendeur agr?? HP > HP ~ COMPAQ ~ DIGITAL ~ APPLE ~ Formation ~ Programmation ~ Migrations > 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France. T?l: 33(0)6 7983 6418 > SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com > > ANTISPAM: TOUT MAIL ENVOYE AU FORMAT HTML SERA SYSTEMATIQUEMENT EFFACE It's hard to see how that helps much. Most of the spam I receive (or don't receive, thanks to Spambayes!) is in plain text. Bob From bob at 1776.com Sat Apr 10 20:51:36 2004 From: bob at 1776.com (Robert K. Coe) Date: Sun Apr 11 08:07:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c41f5f$24bc4950$6501a8c0@City> You don't by any chance have an out-of-office message or some other form of autoreply in effect, do you? One way to pick up email addresses is to send a message to a mailing list and see what autoreplies it generates. ? In any case, your accusation would carry more weight if you had the foresight to register on the list with a special email address, since?that?might provide proof that the list is the source of your problem. I'm guessing you didn't think to do that, though. Bob? -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Chris Mooney Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 6:53 PM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Mailing List I recently subscribed to Spambayes at the recommendation of a friend.? I liked the sound of the methods your program uses to learn each users tastes.? I have been using my current e-mail id for about 15 months, and remarkably only was receiving one or two junk mails a week.? My main reason for installing Spambayes now was so I wouldn't forget about it by the time I really needed it.? ? Within hours of installing Spambayes, I received a junk mail.? Within the the next couple of days I was getting several a day.? Now after two weeks, I'm getting five or six per day.? While your program is handling them great, I resent the fact that you were obviously the source of spreading my e-mail, and now that it's out there, I know from experience the abuse will only grow.? ? I will not recommend your program to anybody unless they already have a large problem with spam. ? Chris Mooney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040410/c2dcb93d/attachment.html From bob at 1776.com Sat Apr 10 18:46:29 2004 From: bob at 1776.com (Robert K. Coe) Date: Sun Apr 11 08:07:56 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Content violation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c41f4d$aa33c980$6501a8c0@City> Do bounce messages like this really have to be forwarded to the entire Spambayes list? In the early days of the list, I'm pretty sure that such forwarding didn't happen. But it has for several months now, and it's getting tiresome. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of > AV_SMTP_GW@1stsource.com > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 6:21 PM > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] Content violation > > > Content violation found in email message. > > From: spambayes@python.org > To: dave@1stsource.com > > File(s): private_01.pif > > Matching filename: *.pif > From bob at 1776.com Sat Apr 10 21:00:52 2004 From: bob at 1776.com (Robert K. Coe) Date: Sun Apr 11 08:08:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes training: not on sent messages? In-Reply-To: <20040310130240.GA25066@unpythonic.net> Message-ID: <000701c41f60$708b10e0$6501a8c0@City> I don't think that's his problem. The postmarks on his message to the list suggest that he sends his mail through a Webmail interface. When you do that, does Spambayes even get to see your outgoing messages? Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Epler > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:03 AM > To: frank.clarijs@belgacom.net > Cc: spambayes@python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Spambayes training: not on sent messages? > > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 12:06:14PM +0100, > frank.clarijs@belgacom.net wrote: > > I tried to train Spambayes today, but found it only trained on about > > half of the ham I served it. It seems that Spambayes is not training on > > messages that I sent, only on messages I received. Is that considered > > the normal way the tool works or is this somewhere a bug? > > I would have sworn this is in the FAQ > (http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html) but I didn't find it. > Training on messages you sent is discouraged, and I think the Outlook > plug-in even takes steps to stop you from doing it. > > It's presumed that messages you send are sufficiently different from > messages you receive that training on them would not improve the filter > accuracy. > > Jeff From skip at pobox.com Sun Apr 11 08:32:24 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Sun Apr 11 08:32:34 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Content violation In-Reply-To: <000201c41f4d$aa33c980$6501a8c0@City> References: <000201c41f4d$aa33c980$6501a8c0@City> Message-ID: <16505.15064.154773.131789@montanaro.dyndns.org> Bob> Do bounce messages like this really have to be forwarded to the Bob> entire Spambayes list? Yes, I think so. There are few, if any, filters applied to the spambayes lists. Bob> In the early days of the list, I'm pretty sure that such forwarding Bob> didn't happen. But it has for several months now, and it's getting Bob> tiresome. I suspect it's just the effect of all the extra virus activity the past few months. Most virus scanners seem to be particularly stupid in this regard, failing to realize that all From: addresses are likely to be forged. In my book (since I'm not on Windows), they are more troublesome than the viruses themselves. Just train on them when you see 'em. They are variable enough in format that a simple filter won't catch them but have enough clues that Spambayes will do a reasonable job identifying them. Skip From ANTIGEN_ORMALEXCHG01 at orange.se Sun Apr 11 09:31:49 2004 From: ANTIGEN_ORMALEXCHG01 at orange.se (ANTIGEN_ORMALEXCHG01) Date: Sun Apr 11 09:32:48 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Antigen found VIRUS= W32/Netsky.p@MM (NAI) virus Message-ID: <310282057950144E8B93192476CE35EA031D43B2@ormalexchg01.ORANGE-SE> Antigen for Exchange found message.scr infected with VIRUS= W32/Netsky.p@MM (NAI) worm. The message is currently Purged. The message, "Mail Delivery ", was sent from spambayes@python.org and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound located at Mobilix AS/Malmo/ORMALEXCHG01. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is confidential and may contain privileged information. It is intended only for the addressees. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone +46 40 631 70 00 or e-mail and delete the message from your system. Orange Sverige AB does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Orange Sverige AB, unless otherwise specifically stated. If the content of this e-mail is to become legally binding, it must be made in writing and signed by a duly authorised representative of Orange Sverige AB-------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dcarys at cox.net Sun Apr 11 13:18:32 2004 From: dcarys at cox.net (Dick Cary) Date: Sun Apr 11 11:18:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with SpamBayes Message-ID: I downloaded SpamBayes yesterday and am receiving a popup whenever I open Outlook 2000 or every time I click Inbox. The message says: The Web page could not be found. This error could have been caused by a bad or misspelled URL; following an invalid link; or your network connection and/or transient conditions on the internet. To check the URL, choose the Home Page tab on the Properties dialog. I am running Windows 98SE. Outlook will still operate as far as receiving and sending messages. I tried to uninstall the program and removing all traces of SpamBayes but nothing worked. I still get the error message. I downloaded it again and still the same message. Following is the log file: Loaded bayes database from 'C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db' Loaded message database from 'C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db' Bayes database initialized with 0 spam and 0 good messages SpamBayes Outlook Addin Binary Version 0.9 (February 2004) starting (with engine SpamBayes Engine Version 0.3 (January 2004)) on Windows 4.10.67766446 ( A ) using Python 2.3.2+ (#49, Oct 23 2003, 15:50:06) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] GetNextPage with current 0 IDD_WIZARD_WELCOME GetNextPage with current 5 IDD_WIZARD_TRAINING_IS_IMPORTANT GetNextPage with current 1 IDD_WIZARD_FOLDERS_WATCH GetNextPage with current 2 IDD_WIZARD_FOLDERS_REST Wizard Done! Saving wizard changes Saving configuration -> C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\SpamBayes\Microsoft Outlook Internet Settings.ini SpamBayes: Watching (for filtering) in 'Personal Folders/Inbox' SpamBayes: Watching (for incremental training) in 'Personal Folders/Junk E-Mail' Processing missed spam in folder 'Inbox' by starting a timer Any suggestions? I don?t want to reformat the hard drive unless that is the only alternative. Dick Cary dcarys@cox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040411/59f5252d/attachment-0001.html From nauman at t-vec.com Sun Apr 11 11:32:56 2004 From: nauman at t-vec.com (Aaron Nauman) Date: Sun Apr 11 11:30:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] folder selection problems Message-ID: <7CE14DF2E53BD5118B2400902745F047025D473C@jefferson.software.org> I ran into a problem mentioned on the list where the IDs of the folders being filtered become invalid. The symptom I was seeing of this was the folder selection dialog being displayed was uninitialized. When the dialog displayed, the tree control was empty and the text labels included something like "status text" (can't remember exactly) instead of "Selected X folder" and the selected folder names. I removed the invalid folder IDs from the configuration file and that corrected the problem with the dialog initialization. I could then select my Inbox as the filter target, but now I am no longer able to select folders from additional exchange accounts. I manage two exchange mail accounts, mine and an shared account called Info. The info account is added through the Exchange settings as Additional Mailbox. (Select Tools | Services; choose Exchanges Server and click properties; select the Advanced tab). So the outlook folder list looks like Aaron ... Inbox Possible Spam Spam ... Info Inbox If I choose the Inbox under Info as the filter target, it is checked but I can't close the dialog. I can close the dialog if I unselect the folder. Selecting and filtering folders in "Additional" mailboxes worked in .81. To summarize, I believe there are two issues. 1) Folder filter selection dialog fails to initialize when invalid folders IDs present 2) Can't select folders for filtering from Additional mailboxes I don't know python, but I love spam bayes. Let me know if I can be of assistance looking into these issues. Thanks, Aaron From tim.one at comcast.net Sun Apr 11 13:09:09 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Sun Apr 11 13:09:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Content violation In-Reply-To: <000201c41f4d$aa33c980$6501a8c0@City> Message-ID: [Robert Coe] > Do bounce messages like this really have to be forwarded to the entire > Spambayes list? There are two kinds of bounces: 1. The spambayes list tries to send something to a subscriber, but it bounces back. 2. Email forged to *appear* that it came from spambayes@python.org bounces back to the forged sender address. There's actually quite a bit of #1 (mailbox quota exceeded, temporary errors, user account closed, the addressee's ISP thinks the msg is spam, etc), but the list doesn't see any of it -- Mailman recognizes bounces due to email it actually sent. #2 is very different. In that case, it's just another external msg getting sent to spambayes@python.org, and this isn't a moderated mailing list. The example below is in category #2, of course. > In the early days of the list, I'm pretty sure that such > forwarding didn't happen. It took time for spammers to bother to forge this address as a sender, and time for this address to show up in the address books and browser caches of newbie machines (so that when they're infected by viruses, this address is now among those forged as the viruses propagate). > But it has for several months now, and it's getting tiresome. Yup! The good news is it's bound to get worse . ... >> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 6:21 PM >> To: spambayes@python.org >> Subject: [Spambayes] Content violation >> >> >> Content violation found in email message. >> >> From: spambayes@python.org >> To: dave@1stsource.com >> >> File(s): private_01.pif >> >> Matching filename: *.pif Bingo. dave@1stsource.com isn't a subscriber to this list, so Mailman never sent him anything from this list, and certainly not a .pif file: this was a virus forged to appear to have come from the list. What would help: ISPs should stop generating idiotic bounce messages -- if they're bouncing a msg due to a virus attachment (and there's no other reason to attach a .pif file directly), they should know darned well that the sender address was forged, and so also that they're just adding to the problem by generating more email in response. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Apr 11 20:28:44 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Apr 11 20:28:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Remove In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E10CD1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C01@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I need to remove the program, how do I do that? Please see FAQ 3.14: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Apr 11 20:40:10 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Apr 11 20:40:24 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes, IMAP, Thunderbird: Doesn't Work for Me! In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E10E18@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C02@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I successfully used SpamBayes a while ago with The Bat! and > POP3. I switched to IMAP a few months ago, and finally got > around to trying the latest IMAP version with the latest > Thunderbird. However, so far, no good 8-(. The SpamBayes IMAP solution isn't like the POP one. It's a filter, not a proxy. Where the proxy sits between your mail client and your mail server, with the filter you mail client connects directly to the mail server. Every so often, you run the filter, and it does whatever filtering/training is required. This is similar in some ways to the way the Outlook plug-in works - it's a filter and not a proxy, because that was what people wanted at the time the script was created. > In Thunderbird, under Server Settings, I set Server Name to > localhost (I also tried 127.0.0.1) and port to 993, then > entered my User Name (no place to enter password). Thunderbird should have your regular mail server settings. > Also...I don't know whether or not this is related, but when > I start SpamBayes, I get the following: > > F:\Programming\Python\Scripts>python sb_imapfilter.py -c -t > -l 5 -v SpamBayes IMAP Filter Version 0.2 (February 2004) and > engine SpamBayes Engine Version 0.3 (January 2004). [...] > Classifying Tried > to select an invalid folder > > Why is it selecting an invalid folder? In the SpamBayes configuration, you need to tell it which IMAP folders you want to filter. I suspect that you haven't done this, so that's why the invalid folder message. If you have, then check that the folders are correctly selected. If the config looks correct, then this could be a bug. Knowing the name of the problematic folder would help (a couple of bugs like this have been recently fixed, so it might be due to them). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Apr 11 20:41:36 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Apr 11 20:41:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E11089@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C03@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have reinstalled the program and set up new folders > under the filter program and I keep getting," You must > enable SpamBayes before you can delete as Spam" What do > I do to correct this problem?? Go to the SpamBayes Manager dialog (from the SpamBayes button on the toolbar). At the bottom there is a button named "Enable SpamBayes". You need to tick this box. If you can't tick the box (because it's greyed out), then the status panel above the box should explain why (but if not, then please mail us back). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Apr 11 21:46:02 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Apr 11 21:46:14 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E11203@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C07@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I downloaded SpamBayes yesterday and am receiving a popup > whenever I open Outlook 2000 or every time I click Inbox. > The message says: The Web page could not be found. This > error could have been caused by a bad or misspelled URL; > following an invalid link; or your network connection and/or > transient conditions on the internet. To check the URL, > choose the Home Page tab on the Properties dialog. Have you tried doing just that? i.e. right-click the Inbox, choose Properties, click the Home Page tab, and look at the URL? I don't use that feature of Outlook, so I don't even know what that URL does (mine is blank), but I presume it shows it when you click Inbox, or something like that. SpamBayes doesn't do anything with that property at all, so it seems unlikely that this is a result of installing SpamBayes. Did you do anything else related to Outlook that day? > I am running Windows 98SE. Outlook will still operate > as far as receiving and sending messages. I tried to > uninstall the program and removing all traces of SpamBayes > but nothing worked. I still get the error message. I > downloaded it again and still the same message. This really does lend weight to the theory that this has nothing to do with SpamBayes... =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Apr 11 21:48:57 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Apr 11 21:49:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] folder selection problems In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E11208@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C08@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > The info > account is added through the Exchange settings as Additional > Mailbox. (Select Tools | Services; choose Exchanges Server > and click properties; select the Advanced tab). [...] > If I choose the Inbox under Info as the filter target, it is > checked but I can't close the dialog. I can close the dialog > if I unselect the folder. Could you try to do this again (to add the log entries) and then send us a copy of your most recent log file? It should have some sort of error message in it that we can use to fix the problem. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Apr 11 22:10:22 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Apr 11 22:10:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Multiple accounts on one POP3 server? Also choosingports? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E10BAE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B80@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Thanks, Tony. She's still not ready to try it yet, but I > think the upshot of this is that when she is ready, I simply > configure her account to use "localhost", assuming she is > using the same port. I.E. No further configuration of SpamBayes. That should be correct. > A combination: right next to the option something like "if > your email client doesn't show which port it uses, try 110. > If that doesn't work, check :this link:" Which would be a > link into a specific section of the help file with pretty > much the same info as you have in the following paragraphs. > Probably a similar brief description in the Readme and > something in the FAQ as well. Done, thanks. > There was one other minor problem/annoyance that might show > up if you use my suggestion to provide a link to more > detailed info about which port to use: Whenever I leave the > configuration page to check something, and then come back to > it, any settings I had made are gone, and I have to redo > them. The only way to avoid this with an HTML form is to open up the link in a new window. I didn't put a link in (because the web interface isn't the only place that the help strings are shown), but that would have been the solution then. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From cbeust at bea.com Sun Apr 11 22:53:40 2004 From: cbeust at bea.com (Cedric Beust) Date: Sun Apr 11 23:00:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Multiple selection of messages Message-ID: <82447314F99FB04EB45A98AF96FD7F170496A77E@ussfex01.bea.com> I am using Outlook 2003 and when I select several messages and then press "Delete as Spam", only the first message is marked as spam, forcing me to do this for all of them one by one. Is this a bug? Also, it would be nice to be able to mark a message as spam without opening it, for example in a context menu. Right now, the only way is to select the message (thus displaying it, along with any nasty HTML or hidden pictures) and then "Delete it as Spam". Thanks for a great tool! -- C?dric http://beust.com/weblog From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Apr 11 23:10:21 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Apr 11 23:10:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Multiple selection of messages In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E11308@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C0B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I am using Outlook 2003 and when I select several messages > and then press "Delete as Spam", only the first message is > marked as spam, forcing me to do this for all of them one by one. > > Is this a bug? Well, this works fine for lots of people, so if it doesn't for you, it's either a bug or something wrong with your setup. Could you do this (to get the log entries), then send us a copy of your most recent log file? It should have error messages that we can use to figure out what is happening. > Also, it would be nice to be able to mark a message as spam > without opening it, for example in a context menu. Right > now, the only way is to select the message (thus displaying > it, along with any nasty HTML or hidden pictures) and then > "Delete it as Spam". This is much more complicated, but IIRC someone is working on this, albeit slowly when they have time. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From cbeust at bea.com Sun Apr 11 23:37:25 2004 From: cbeust at bea.com (Cedric Beust) Date: Sun Apr 11 23:37:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Multiple selection of messages Message-ID: <82447314F99FB04EB45A98AF96FD7F170496A780@ussfex01.bea.com> > From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] > > I am using Outlook 2003 and when I select several messages and then > > press "Delete as Spam", only the first message is marked as spam, > > forcing me to do this for all of them one by one. > > > > Is this a bug? > > Well, this works fine for lots of people, so if it doesn't > for you, it's either a bug or something wrong with your > setup. Could you do this (to get the log entries), then send > us a copy of your most recent log file? Sure, if you tell me what "this" is :-) -- C?dric http://beust.com/weblog From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Apr 11 23:39:58 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Apr 11 23:40:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Multiple selection of messages In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E11315@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C0C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > > > I am using Outlook 2003 and when I select several messages and > > > then press "Delete as Spam", only the first message is marked as > > > spam, forcing me to do this for all of them one by one. > > > > > > Is this a bug? > > > > Well, this works fine for lots of people, so if it doesn't > > for you, it's either a bug or something wrong with your > > setup. Could you do this (to get the log entries), then send > > us a copy of your most recent log file? > > Sure, if you tell me what "this" is :-) Selecting several messages then pressing "Delete as Spam". =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From cbeust at bea.com Sun Apr 11 23:41:26 2004 From: cbeust at bea.com (Cedric Beust) Date: Sun Apr 11 23:41:31 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Multiple selection of messages Message-ID: <82447314F99FB04EB45A98AF96FD7F170496A781@ussfex01.bea.com> > From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] > Selecting several messages then pressing "Delete as Spam". Okay but where do I find the logs? I didn't see them in Application Data nor in my installation directory... -- Cedric http://beust.com/weblog From cbeust at bea.com Sun Apr 11 23:46:30 2004 From: cbeust at bea.com (Cedric Beust) Date: Sun Apr 11 23:46:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting Message-ID: <82447314F99FB04EB45A98AF96FD7F170496A782@ussfex01.bea.com> The FAQ says that SpamBayes doesn't do whitelisting but without telling which definition of "whitelisting" it is using. The one I'm interested in is "Never treat as spam email coming from someone in my address book", which has been working great for me throughout a variety of email clients and spam filtering software over the years. Does SpamBayes automatically treat as ham email coming from someone in my Contacts folder? -- C?dric http://beust.com/weblog From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Apr 11 23:54:59 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Apr 11 23:55:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Multiple selection of messages In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E11321@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C0D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > > Selecting several messages then pressing "Delete as Spam". > > Okay but where do I find the logs? I didn't see them in > Application Data nor in my installation directory... They're in your temp directory. The easiest way to get to them is: Open the SpamBayes Manager (from the SpamBayes toolbar) Go to the Advanced tab. Click the Diagnostics button. Click the View log button. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Apr 11 23:56:35 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Apr 11 23:56:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E11322@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C0E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > The FAQ says that SpamBayes doesn't do whitelisting but > without telling which definition of "whitelisting" it is using. > > The one I'm interested in is "Never treat as spam email > coming from someone in my address book", which has been > working great for me throughout a variety of email clients > and spam filtering software over the years. This is the one that the FAQ is referring to. What other definitions are there? > Does SpamBayes automatically treat as ham email coming from > someone in my Contacts folder? No. The FAQ does explain how to use your mail client's rules to whitelist, though, and explains the reasons why it's not part of the code, and how whitelisting could get added to SpamBayes. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tim.one at comcast.net Mon Apr 12 00:14:43 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Mon Apr 12 00:14:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting In-Reply-To: <82447314F99FB04EB45A98AF96FD7F170496A782@ussfex01.bea.com> Message-ID: [Cedric Beust] > The FAQ says that SpamBayes doesn't do whitelisting but without telling > which definition of "whitelisting" it is using. It doesn't matter which definition you have in mind -- it currently doesn't do whitelisting, period. > The one I'm interested in is "Never treat as spam email coming from > someone in my address book", which has been working great for me > throughout a variety of email clients and spam filtering software over the > years. > > Does SpamBayes automatically treat as ham email coming from someone in my > Contacts folder? No. From cbeust at bea.com Mon Apr 12 00:22:31 2004 From: cbeust at bea.com (Cedric Beust) Date: Mon Apr 12 00:22:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting Message-ID: <82447314F99FB04EB45A98AF96FD7F170496A78B@ussfex01.bea.com> > This is the one that the FAQ is referring to. What other > definitions are there? Response/challenge type of protection. Which I don't think is a good way to solve that problem. -- C?dric http://beust.com/weblog From tim.one at comcast.net Mon Apr 12 00:33:04 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Mon Apr 12 00:33:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting In-Reply-To: <82447314F99FB04EB45A98AF96FD7F170496A78B@ussfex01.bea.com> Message-ID: [Tony Meyer] >> This is the one that the FAQ is referring to. What other >> definitions are there? [Cedric Beust] > Response/challenge type of protection. Which I don't think is a good > way to solve that problem. Indeed, I wouldn't object to adding whitelist/blacklist gimmicks to spambayes, but I would object to burdening the world with more C/R systems (at least those that require senders to do something manually). From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 12 04:05:41 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 12 04:06:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes, IMAP, Thunderbird: Doesn't Work for Me! In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E1137E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B82@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > > Every so often, you run the filter, and it does whatever > > filtering/training is required. > > And I guess this is taken care of by the -l option, correct? Yes, unless you want to start up the filter manually each time. > >>In Thunderbird, under Server Settings, I set Server Name to > >>localhost (I also tried 127.0.0.1) and port to 993, then > >>entered my User Name (no place to enter password). > > > > Thunderbird should have your regular mail server settings. > > In other words, no change from normal, right? Right. > You're right, and I'm embarrassed. I even read that in the > documentation, then forgot to do it. (I think the fact that > the folder configuration isn't located on the Configuration > Page threw me off, and I just completely missed the other two > links on the home page.) In many ways, those links belong on the configuration page. The problem is that because they'll take you away to another page, they have to either open in a new window, which could be confusing, or lose all other changes made to the config page, or temporarily save the changes (meaning that it's a form submit and not a link) so that the user can be brought back to the config page to finish setting up afterwards. No-one's figured out a good workaround yet, hence the links on the main page. > However, now when I click on either of the "Configure > folders" links, I get the following: > > 500 Server error > Traceback (most recent call last): [...] > File > "f:\programming\python\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\ImapUI.py", > line 210, in _login_to_imap > username = options["imap", "username"][0] > > IndexError: tuple index out of range > > Can you tell me what's going on here? I suspect that it means that you haven't entered (or it's missing from the config for some reason) your username for connecting to the server. This has to be done (via the main configuration pages) before setting up the folders. It should deal with the error more nicely than this; I'll try and fix that tomorrow. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From wsy at merl.com Mon Apr 12 06:35:01 2004 From: wsy at merl.com (Bill Yerazunis) Date: Mon Apr 12 06:35:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting In-Reply-To: (tim.one@comcast.net) References: Message-ID: <200404121035.i3CAZ1n32234@localhost.localdomain> From: "Tim Peters" [Tony Meyer] >> This is the one that the FAQ is referring to. What other >> definitions are there? [Cedric Beust] > Response/challenge type of protection. Which I don't think is a good > way to solve that problem. Indeed, I wouldn't object to adding whitelist/blacklist gimmicks to spambayes, but I would object to burdening the world with more C/R systems (at least those that require senders to do something manually). CRM114 has had white/black/prio listings since day zero. The justification is that there are some things you _never_ want to miss (example: from your boss, your lawyer, or your paramour). Although I don't use them myself (and I never test with them) I do send out an example file for other folks to use. Many people seem to think it's what they really want, even though I recommend that they don't depend on them. -Bill Yerazunis From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Mon Apr 12 07:41:58 2004 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Mon Apr 12 07:42:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Multiple selection of messages Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5022CAE6@SPIKE.city> I'm confused. "Delete as Spam" on a message I haven't opened works fine for me. Of course, if (in Outlook) you turn on the preview pane, that's another matter; but the less dangerous "auto-preview" gives you almost as much information without opening the message. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Tony Meyer > Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 11:10 PM > To: 'Cedric Beust' > Cc: spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Multiple selection of messages > > ... > > > Also, it would be nice to be able to mark a message as spam > > without opening it, for example in a context menu. Right > > now, the only way is to select the message (thus displaying > > it, along with any nasty HTML or hidden pictures) and then > > "Delete it as Spam". > > This is much more complicated, but IIRC someone is working on > this, albeit slowly when they have time. > > =Tony Meyer From postmaster at simoklahoma.com Mon Apr 12 09:26:32 2004 From: postmaster at simoklahoma.com (Postmaster) Date: Mon Apr 12 09:26:40 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] WARNING: YOU MAY HAVE A VIRUS Message-ID: <200404120826.AA2228860@simoklahoma.com> The Declude Virus software on simoklahoma.com has reported that you sent an E-mail to sandy@simoklahoma.com, containing the W32/Netsky.B@mm virus in the misc.zip attachment. The subject of the E-mail was "unknown". The E-mail containing the virus has been quarantined to prevent further damage. Headers Follow: Received: from simoklahoma.com [209.184.211.141] by mail.hillcountryweb.com (SMTPD32-8.05) id A9051201CA; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:26:29 -0500 From: spambayes@python.org To: sandy@simoklahoma.com Subject: unknown Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:26:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="11077734" Message-Id: <200404120826328.SM01756@simoklahoma.com> From amiles at ou.edu Mon Apr 12 09:31:01 2004 From: amiles at ou.edu (Alan Miles) Date: Mon Apr 12 09:27:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express Setup Message-ID: <000801c42092$659a46a0$77730f81@coe.ou.edu> Has anyone outlined a setup routine for Outlook Express uses who are not the sharpest tack in the box when it comes to the technical details of Email software? Looking for a "paint by numbers" installation guide if such a thing exist. Thanks, Alan Miles amiles@ou.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Spoofing is simple indeed, but I don't believe it's very common for spammers to impersonate people that I know, and I actually don't think it ever happened to me. Spams are delivered blindly, so the odds that the forged From: will match someone from my Address Book are very slim. > Also, blacklisting is really a server side responsibility. Agreed, but whitelisting is a client-side responsibility. I only want people from *my* address book to be whitelisted. > If you really need whitelisting, consider implementing rules in your mailer to intercept the messages > before they're passed to SpamBayes. I don't believe this is realistic: you would have to add rules so that emails from people in your Address Book get moved to a "Verified" folder that wouldn't be watched by SpamBayes (or it would filter them anyway). So I will end up with folders named "Inbox/Verified/Spam/Suspected Spam", which is not the friendliest way of solving this problem. All of this could be avoided if SpamBayes did Address Book whitelisting, like Thunderbird. Tony, philosophical reasons aside, are there any technical reasons why Whitelisting isn't in SpamBayes or do you believe it would be an easy fix? -- C?dric http://beust.com/weblog From tim.one at comcast.net Mon Apr 12 11:24:43 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Mon Apr 12 11:24:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting In-Reply-To: <82447314F99FB04EB45A98AF96FD7F170496A7E1@ussfex01.bea.com> Message-ID: [Cedric Beust] > Spoofing is simple indeed, but I don't believe it's very common for > spammers to impersonate people that I know, and I actually don't > think it ever happened to me. Spams are delivered blindly, so the > odds that the forged From: will match someone from my Address Book > are very slim. Open Source software is developed by people scratching their own itches (and it can't be otherwise, since nobody is paid to endure things they don't want to do). While I wouldn't object to adding whitelist gimmicks, I won't work on them, because they'd be a net loss for me (I wouldn't use them). Developers may have a different view of this than most users -- because I work on open source software, I know a lot of other open source developers, and our email addresses are all over the web. As a result, I get a lot of spam, and especially viruses, claiming to be sent from people I know (including direct coworkers, bosses, and the company president). I even get viruses and spam claiming to come from me (but I don't remember sending them ). So what spambayes does now is exactly right for me: the person a thing claims to come from is *a* clue, but just one clue, and is tossed in the pot with all the other clues. > ... > All of this could be avoided if SpamBayes did Address Book > whitelisting, like Thunderbird Someone would have to contribute code to do it. Note that there are increasing problems trying to access the address book, because every Outlook service pack makes that harder to do (accessing the Windows address book is most associated with viruses). Note that at least one commercial product building on the spambayes codebase does have whitelist gimmicks now: http://www.inboxer.com/ So you can have it now, if you're willing to pay for it. From cbeust at bea.com Mon Apr 12 11:42:50 2004 From: cbeust at bea.com (Cedric Beust) Date: Mon Apr 12 11:43:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting Message-ID: <82447314F99FB04EB45A98AF96FD7F170496A80F@ussfex01.bea.com> > From: Tim Peters [mailto:tim.one@comcast.net] > While I wouldn't > object to adding whitelist gimmicks, I won't work on them, > because they'd be a net loss for me (I wouldn't use them). Fair enough, Tim. I am certainly not asking any of the free SpamBayes contributors to implement this feature just because *I* want it. I am simply trying to find out the reasons that led to the Whitelisting statement in the FAQ. I am thinking about adding this feature myself, so I am just trying to assess 1) If I am wrong thinking Address Book Whitelisting is a good thing. 2) If it would be hard to add to the curent codebase. About the latter, you make an excellent point with: > Note that > there are increasing problems trying to access the address > book, because every Outlook service pack makes that harder to > do (accessing the Windows address book is most associated with viruses). I am still hopeful that an add-in will have enough privileges (possibly enabled by the user) to access the Address Book, but it's something for me to find out. I took a look at the binary distribution and it is... well, binary :-) Are you guys using a Win32 Python compiler to produce this output? -- C?dric http://beust.com/weblog From kacoe at awrsling.com Mon Apr 12 12:17:49 2004 From: kacoe at awrsling.com (Kenneth A Coe) Date: Mon Apr 12 11:56:57 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy Message-ID: <407AC12D.2080908@awrsling.com> I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 0.4 (February 2004) (binary), with version 2.3.2+ (#49, Oct 23 2003, 15:50:06) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 4.10.67766446.1 ( A ). I have trained 0 ham and 0 spam. The problem I am having is that I am a Mozilla user and cannot figure out how to set up a working proxy for use with my email system. I tried several different approaches but none have worked. Any help would be greatly appreciated. ( Yes I installed spambayes to work as a proxy) Again thanks in advance for any help you can be. 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SB was %100 correct in its analysis, and I do not need to click on any message to change its category. My question is: in this case, does it make any sense to click on the 'train' button? As I understand it, for those messages, SB it does not need any further training. Am I right or am I right (:-) ? Amir Katz, CISSP "The C Programming Language - A language which combines the flexibility of assembly language with the power of assembly language." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040412/b4842fb6/attachment.html From cbeust at bea.com Mon Apr 12 14:01:28 2004 From: cbeust at bea.com (Cedric Beust) Date: Mon Apr 12 14:01:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: whitelisting Message-ID: <82447314F99FB04EB45A98AF96FD7F170496A8C4@ussfex01.bea.com> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Katz, Amir Just my $0.02: one of the recent strains of viruses/worms goes into a person's address book and sends mails either to those addresses faking the 'From:' or uses those addresses as the 'From:'. If you unquestionably trust whitelisting, this kind of malware will hit you square between the eyes. True, but we are trying to block spam, not viruses. My personal experience is that the breakdown of spam/viruses is about 95%/5%, so taking care of these 95% is a good first move. As for the other 5%, I leave it up to server-side, client-side or human-side (me :-)) blocking, but I think that extending SpamBayes to cover viruses as well would threaten to limit its efficiency in blocking pure spam. One tool for each purpose. OTH, since the whole point of spams is the mail messages' contents (buy something), Bayesian is the way since it checks at the part that must contain meaningful information (from the spammer's perspective). No argument there. -- C?dric http://beust.com/weblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040412/627410a7/attachment.html From MW130561 at ncr.com Mon Apr 12 15:33:23 2004 From: MW130561 at ncr.com (Walsh, Mahlon O) Date: Mon Apr 12 15:33:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] After It's Trained - Can if Forget? Message-ID: I looked in the Guide and can't find this answer. A quick question. Does it forget its training if the e-mails (spam) in the SPAM folder are deleted? Regards, Mahlon O. Walsh From Amir_Katz at bmc.com Mon Apr 12 16:28:42 2004 From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir) Date: Mon Apr 12 16:28:56 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] After It's Trained - Can if Forget? Message-ID: No. Once mails are scanned, SB is trained and they can be discarded. -----Original Message----- From: Walsh, Mahlon O [mailto:MW130561@ncr.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 22:33 To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] After It's Trained - Can if Forget? I looked in the Guide and can't find this answer. A quick question. Does it forget its training if the e-mails (spam) in the SPAM folder are deleted? Regards, Mahlon O. Walsh _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From sean at elpnet.org Mon Apr 12 18:12:10 2004 From: sean at elpnet.org (Sean Pollock) Date: Mon Apr 12 18:07:48 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express tray icon disappeared Message-ID: <000001c420db$33f027c0$0301a8c0@sean> Hello, I searched for this problem in the FAQ and in some other places on your site, but can't seem to find mention. I'm running WinXP with spambayes 0.9 on Outlook (used to be running great!) and also spambayes 1.0a9 setup for Outlook Express. I was getting an error yesterday and this morning in Outlook Express saying, "Your server has unexpectedly terminated the connection. Possible causes for this include server problems, network problems, or a long period of inactivity. Account: 'info account', Server: '127.0.0.1', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC0F." In trying to figure out the problem, I stopped the SpamBayes service through the tray icon, and now I can't get it to work. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling to no avail. When I start the tray icon, it shows up with the red mark (stopped), but as soon as I move the cursor over it to start it, it disappears. And now I can't access the Outlook plugin SpamBayes control menu. Any ideas? -sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040412/df0193fc/attachment.html From NAVMSE-mail at atec.net.au Mon Apr 12 20:01:43 2004 From: NAVMSE-mail at atec.net.au (NAV for Microsoft Exchange-MAIL) Date: Mon Apr 12 19:53:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you sent. The inf ected attachment was deleted. Message-ID: Recipient of the infected attachment: Kathie McGrath\Inbox Subject of the message: Mail Delivery (failure kathie.mcgrath@atec.net.au) One or more attachments were deleted Attachment message.scr was Deleted for the following reasons: Virus W32.Netsky.P@mm was found. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1723 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040413/40f52291/attachment-0001.bin From J.M.G.van.der.Dennen at rechten.rug.nl Mon Apr 12 21:06:57 2004 From: J.M.G.van.der.Dennen at rechten.rug.nl (J.M.G.van.der.Dennen@rechten.rug.nl) Date: Mon Apr 12 20:07:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Mail Delivery (failure j.m.g.van.der.dennen@rechten.rug.nl) Message-ID: <5BD95B30198@rs2.rechten.rug.nl> Dear Friends, I'll be out of office until Sunday April 18. After that date I'll respond to your message ASAP. In case of emergency you may contact our secretary E.D.Narouz-Bruining@rechten.rug.nl She knows my whereabouts. Cheers, From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Mon Apr 12 22:10:17 2004 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Mon Apr 12 22:10:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express tray icon disappeared In-Reply-To: <000001c420db$33f027c0$0301a8c0@sean> Message-ID: <113b01c420fc$77faf780$0200a8c0@eden> We need a "troubleshooting guide" for this product too! Try and locate your Windows temp directory, and in that directory, you should find a file "SpamBayesServer1.log". Mail this file (to the list, not me!) and we may be able to locate the issue. If you don't know how to locate your temp directory or that file, mail back about that too :) Mark. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Sean Pollock Sent: Tuesday, 13 April 2004 8:12 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express tray icon disappeared Hello, I searched for this problem in the FAQ and in some other places on your site, but can't seem to find mention. I'm running WinXP with spambayes 0.9 on Outlook (used to be running great!) and also spambayes 1.0a9 setup for Outlook Express. I was getting an error yesterday and this morning in Outlook Express saying, "Your server has unexpectedly terminated the connection. Possible causes for this include server problems, network problems, or a long period of inactivity. Account: 'info account', Server: '127.0.0.1', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC0F." In trying to figure out the problem, I stopped the SpamBayes service through the tray icon, and now I can't get it to work. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling to no avail. When I start the tray icon, it shows up with the red mark (stopped), but as soon as I move the cursor over it to start it, it disappears. And now I can't access the Outlook plugin SpamBayes control menu. Any ideas? -sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040413/848f56bd/attachment.html From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Mon Apr 12 22:31:22 2004 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Mon Apr 12 22:31:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting In-Reply-To: <82447314F99FB04EB45A98AF96FD7F170496A80F@ussfex01.bea.com> Message-ID: <115101c420ff$6a362860$0200a8c0@eden> > I am thinking about adding this feature myself, so I am just > trying to assess > > 1) If I am wrong thinking Address Book Whitelisting is a good thing. Most of us share Tim's opinion - no objection, but also no real desire. I *may* have used it once or twice when I was expecting a "new" email that I feared would be seen as spam by SpamBayes (as nothing like it had been trained on yet). This almost always turns out to be unfounded though - SpamBayes gets it right most of the time. The fact someone knows my name is "Mark" can be a huge clue :) > 2) If it would be hard to add to the curent codebase. There are 3 main things that need to be done: 1) Determine the list to match against. 2) Design a UI that configures it (even if as simple as a checkbox!) 3) Match the addresses as they come in. 3 should be simple (assuming 1). 1) is a little tricker - I see 2 basic options - match against address books etc, or match against our own list we maintain. Matching against address books isn't as simple as it sounds in an Outlook/Exchange environment, as we have the Global Address List etc on the servers. "Address Books" are different in an exchange environment than "Contacts" are in a pure Outlook environment. Performance implications may force us to cache or pre-read the addresses we want to match against, rather than asking Outlook to match per incoming mail, etc The "easy" solution here would seem to be to keep our own list of addresses, and provide an 'Import' feature, where we pre-populate the list of addresses, but maintain the list ourself. Which leaves us with (2). Assuming we take the 'easy' option above, the UI becomes harder. We will need to provide a UI for managing the list itself (add/delete/import names etc - presumably via the "SpamBayes Manager" dialog). We would probably also want an "Add user to Whitelist" option in the "Spam" and "Spam Maybe" folders. Or should it be "Recover from Spam, and add user to whitelist"? If so, how do we fit that on a button ? So, unfortunately, it gets pretty hard, pretty quick. If we could assume the UI was "edit the text file in your favourite text editor", it would be alot simpler, but I fear we are already past the point where this is a reasonable option given our users. I hope this doesn't put you off though - I'd be happy to help with the tricky stuff, as long as someone is chasing up all the edges and actually driving it :) > I took a look at the binary distribution and it is... well, > binary :-) Not if you look a little deeper :) Most of the code exists as .pyc files in the .zip file. However, just run from the source-code if you want to fiddle with it. > Are you guys using a Win32 Python compiler to produce this output? We are using py2exe - find it at sourceforge - but really it is just a very smart "packaging" of the Python code, rather than a compiler as such. Mark. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3320 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040413/8a9735c6/winmail.bin From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Mon Apr 12 22:58:52 2004 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Mon Apr 12 22:59:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes training: not on sent messages? In-Reply-To: <000701c41f60$708b10e0$6501a8c0@City> Message-ID: <117701c42103$446143a0$0200a8c0@eden> > I don't think that's his problem. The postmarks on his > message to the list suggest that he sends his mail through a > Webmail interface. When you do that, does Spambayes even get > to see your outgoing messages? SpamBayes never looks at outgoing messages. SpamBayes skips all messages that do not appear to have actually been delivered, as these messages do not have the full set of clues that delivered messages do, and thus will skew the score for these messages. This means that SpamBayes *does* ignore all messages sent by you. That is, the *original* message you sent will never be trained on. (Normally, these messages are in your "Sent Items" folder, but not always). If you CC yourself on a message, then SpamBayes *will* train on the copy of the message that arrives via your mail server. The distinction is subtle, but real :) Mark. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 12 22:59:35 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 12 22:59:48 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express tray icon disappeared In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E115AE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C14@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > We need a "troubleshooting guide" for this product too! You're right, of course. I'll try and get one done today and check in the changes so that it squeaks into the new release. (With the theory that time taken now may save time answering mail later). =Tony Meyer From seant at iname.com Mon Apr 12 23:06:13 2004 From: seant at iname.com (Sean True) Date: Mon Apr 12 23:05:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting In-Reply-To: <200404121035.i3CAZ1n32234@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > CRM114 has had white/black/prio listings since day zero. > > The justification is that there are some things you _never_ want > to miss (example: from your boss, your lawyer, or your paramour). > > Although I don't use them myself (and I never test with them) I > do send out an example file for other folks to use. > > Many people seem to think it's what they really want, even though > I recommend that they don't depend on them. > > -Bill Yerazunis InBoxer added whitelist/blacklist to SpamBayes almost immediately. Some customers err, _motivated_ us to do it. I find whitelisting helpful, and blacklisting useless, personally. -- Sean From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 12 23:08:50 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 12 23:09:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [spambayes-bugs] Can't start sb_server.py In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E115CC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C15@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [Please note that the spambayes-bugs@python.org list is for auto generated mail only. This list receives mail from the sourceforge system that tracks reported bugs, feature requests and so on. To add to those, please go to . For a general mailing list to discuss spambayes, including problems, please use spambayes@python.org.] > I have a problem that appeared when I changed from version > 1.0a7 to 1.0a9 under SuSE Linux 9.0 and python 2.3. When I > start sb_server.py I get the following result. Can someone > decipher the messages and give me a hint as to what I need to > do to fix the problem? [...] > socket.error: (98, 'Address already in use') It appears that one of the local ports that you are attempting to use (either for a POP3 proxy, SMTP proxy or the web interface) is already in use, so you need to use another one. >From the traceback, it looks like the most likely culprit is a SMTP proxy, so try changing this first. To check if a port is already in use, just do "telnet localhost PORT" in a command window (where PORT is, for example, 25, 8880, and so on). If you can't connect, the port is free. If you can, then it's not. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 12 23:20:28 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 12 23:20:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question about training via the web interface In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E1149D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B84@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I RTFMed and could not find an explanation for this. You need to RTFW: , . > 3. SB was %100 correct in its analysis, and I do not > need to click on any message to change its category. > > My question is: in this case, does it make any sense > to click on the 'train' button? As I understand it, > for those messages, SB it does not need any further training. > > Am I right or am I right (:-) ? Maybe. There hasn't really been enough testing on different training methods to be able to make a conclusive statement. However, IMO (based on testing and reading mail here): 1. Training on everything is not a good idea. 2. The three best training methods (so far) are "mistake based training" (train false positives, false negatives, unsures), "non-edge training" (train everything inside certain edges, say 0.05 and 0.95), and "train to exhaustion" (complex; there's a Robinson blog about it). From what I've seen, I'd say that "train to exhaustion" gives the best results, but is very slow, and the other two are about even - nonedge tends to just win for me personally. With the web interface, you don't really (yet) have a convenient way to do "train to exhaustion", which leaves the other alternatives. The defaults really point towards "train on everything" (which may change) - but in the Advanced Configuration you can set the buttons to default to other categories ('discard', for example), to lean towards "mistake based training". IIRC, there was something added in 1.0a9 to help with nonedge training, but I can't recall what it was - I'm sure it's there somewhere. Hope this helps! =Tony Meyer From anthony at interlink.com.au Mon Apr 12 23:28:38 2004 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Mon Apr 12 23:29:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <407B5E66.5080309@interlink.com.au> A more useful gimmick, IMO, would be to train on outbound messages - train on both the body of the message, and synthesise 'from' tokens with the 'to' and 'cc' addresses in it. But, hey, without actually testing it, I have no idea if this would help. -- Anthony Baxter It's never too late to have a happy childhood. From tim.one at comcast.net Mon Apr 12 23:42:20 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Mon Apr 12 23:42:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting In-Reply-To: <82447314F99FB04EB45A98AF96FD7F170496A80F@ussfex01.bea.com> Message-ID: [Cedric Beust] ... > I am still hopeful that an add-in will have enough privileges (possibly > enabled by the user) to access the Address Book, but it's something for > me to find out. Just adding a bit to Mark's reply. I just bought a new box, w/ WinXP Pro & Outlook 2003. There are several "address books" kicking around on this thing, and unlike on my previous box, there's apparently no connection at all anymore between the "Windows Address Book" (Accessories -> Address Book) and Outlook Contacts. On my last box, Tools -> Options in Address Book had a checkbox to share the address book with Outlook (which I enabled), but that checkbox no longer exists on the new machine. So that's a tiny corner of a cautionary tale: trying to out-guess MS internals is a never-ending & frustrating game. As Mark said, OL2003 (or maybe earlier -- my last box had OL2000) also grew some notion of global address books. > I took a look at the binary distribution and it is... well, binary :-) > > Are you guys using a Win32 Python compiler to produce this output? What Mark should have told you is that all the source code is available for downloading, via anonymous CVS. Instructions are here: http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=61702 I run directly from a source code checkout (I haven't yet used the binary installer). From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 13 00:45:29 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 13 00:45:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E115E5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C17@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I just bought a new box, w/ WinXP Pro & Outlook 2003. Oh no! Don't tell me we just lost our Win98 tester? <0.9 wink> =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 13 00:47:05 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 13 00:47:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E1145F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C18@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I am certainly not asking any of the free > SpamBayes contributors to implement this feature just because > *I* want it. I am simply trying to find out the reasons that > led to the Whitelisting statement in the FAQ. This is a valid quest! I've updated the FAQ with information from recent messages in this thread. Would you be able to take a peak at it and see if you think that it is more clear about the reasoning behind the current status? If not (or if!) suggestions are always welcome... Thanks! =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 13 00:55:18 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 13 00:55:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: whitelisting In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E114A2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B85@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> >> Just my $0.02: one of the recent strains of viruses/worms >> goes into a person's address book and sends mails either >> to those addresses faking the 'From:' or uses those >> addresses as the 'From:'. If you unquestionably trust >> whitelisting, this kind of malware will hit you square >> between the eyes. > > True, but we are trying to block spam, not viruses. [...] > One tool for each purpose. While I agree with this in principle, sometimes something that is good at (and aimed towards) one thing, just happens to do another really well. There's nothing much in SpamBayes that's aimed at picking viruses (there are one or two tokens that are easy to spot, IIRC), but it does quite well at spotting them anyway (since they're often more homogenous than spam anyway). I think that the line between viruses and spam is becoming much harder to find. From what I've read and seen, it's becoming much more common to use viruses as a spamming tool - either to harvest addresses or to use compromised machines to send spam. I don't know what the future holds, but if it's more of these compromised machines, then whitelisting will become less and less effective. Until this year, I hadn't received any spam from people I know here in New Zealand, but I get a couple each week now. Not much bother now (even if they weren't classified correctly, which they are), but it will be if they continue to increase in frequency. It's probably obvious by now, but I'm yet another person that would be quite happy for SpamBayes to have some sort of whitelisting gimmick, but would have it turned off, and doesn't have the inclination to contribute towards coding it. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From Amir_Katz at bmc.com Tue Apr 13 01:10:00 2004 From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir) Date: Tue Apr 13 01:10:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting Message-ID: I think that one model to look at is the 'block pop-up windows' feature in Mozilla and Firefox browsers. In these apps, adding a site to the whitelist is a fully manual process - you need to type in the site's name. Of course, you can cut & paste :-). I think that this method will provide the right balance between simplicity for the developers and simplicity for the users. Amir -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 05:31 To: 'Cedric Beust' Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Whitelisting > I am thinking about adding this feature myself, so I am just > trying to assess > > 1) If I am wrong thinking Address Book Whitelisting is a good thing. Most of us share Tim's opinion - no objection, but also no real desire. I *may* have used it once or twice when I was expecting a "new" email that I feared would be seen as spam by SpamBayes (as nothing like it had been trained on yet). This almost always turns out to be unfounded though - SpamBayes gets it right most of the time. The fact someone knows my name is "Mark" can be a huge clue :) > 2) If it would be hard to add to the curent codebase. There are 3 main things that need to be done: 1) Determine the list to match against. 2) Design a UI that configures it (even if as simple as a checkbox!) 3) Match the addresses as they come in. 3 should be simple (assuming 1). 1) is a little tricker - I see 2 basic options - match against address books etc, or match against our own list we maintain. Matching against address books isn't as simple as it sounds in an Outlook/Exchange environment, as we have the Global Address List etc on the servers. "Address Books" are different in an exchange environment than "Contacts" are in a pure Outlook environment. Performance implications may force us to cache or pre-read the addresses we want to match against, rather than asking Outlook to match per incoming mail, etc The "easy" solution here would seem to be to keep our own list of addresses, and provide an 'Import' feature, where we pre-populate the list of addresses, but maintain the list ourself. Which leaves us with (2). Assuming we take the 'easy' option above, the UI becomes harder. We will need to provide a UI for managing the list itself (add/delete/import names etc - presumably via the "SpamBayes Manager" dialog). We would probably also want an "Add user to Whitelist" option in the "Spam" and "Spam Maybe" folders. Or should it be "Recover from Spam, and add user to whitelist"? If so, how do we fit that on a button ? So, unfortunately, it gets pretty hard, pretty quick. If we could assume the UI was "edit the text file in your favourite text editor", it would be alot simpler, but I fear we are already past the point where this is a reasonable option given our users. I hope this doesn't put you off though - I'd be happy to help with the tricky stuff, as long as someone is chasing up all the edges and actually driving it :) > I took a look at the binary distribution and it is... well, > binary :-) Not if you look a little deeper :) Most of the code exists as .pyc files in the .zip file. However, just run from the source-code if you want to fiddle with it. > Are you guys using a Win32 Python compiler to produce this output? We are using py2exe - find it at sourceforge - but really it is just a very smart "packaging" of the Python code, rather than a compiler as such. Mark. From Amir_Katz at bmc.com Tue Apr 13 01:17:27 2004 From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir) Date: Tue Apr 13 01:18:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question about training via the web interface Message-ID: Tony, First, thanks for the explanation. Now, if I try to convert theory into practice, this is what I understand: 1) I should train SB only on its mistakes or failure to categorize. 2) The way to do it would be to change the web interface default to 'discard' (so that all messages that were identified correctly would not be used to train) 3) Click on the appropriate radio button only on those messages that SB either mis-categorized that it was unsure about. Please confirm. Amir -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 06:20 To: 'Katz, Amir'; 'Spambayes mailing list (E-mail)' Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Question about training via the web interface > I RTFMed and could not find an explanation for this. You need to RTFW: , . > 3. SB was %100 correct in its analysis, and I do not > need to click on any message to change its category. > > My question is: in this case, does it make any sense > to click on the 'train' button? As I understand it, > for those messages, SB it does not need any further training. > > Am I right or am I right (:-) ? Maybe. There hasn't really been enough testing on different training methods to be able to make a conclusive statement. However, IMO (based on testing and reading mail here): 1. Training on everything is not a good idea. 2. The three best training methods (so far) are "mistake based training" (train false positives, false negatives, unsures), "non-edge training" (train everything inside certain edges, say 0.05 and 0.95), and "train to exhaustion" (complex; there's a Robinson blog about it). From what I've seen, I'd say that "train to exhaustion" gives the best results, but is very slow, and the other two are about even - nonedge tends to just win for me personally. With the web interface, you don't really (yet) have a convenient way to do "train to exhaustion", which leaves the other alternatives. The defaults really point towards "train on everything" (which may change) - but in the Advanced Configuration you can set the buttons to default to other categories ('discard', for example), to lean towards "mistake based training". IIRC, there was something added in 1.0a9 to help with nonedge training, but I can't recall what it was - I'm sure it's there somewhere. Hope this helps! =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 13 01:47:58 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 13 01:48:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question about training via the web interface In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E11614@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C1B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > First, thanks for the explanation. No worries. (For a start, those that answer other people's mail here get the good karma mentioned in the troubleshooting guides ;) > Now, if I try to convert > theory into practice, this is what I understand: > 1) I should train SB only on its mistakes or failure to categorize. IMO you'll get better results doing this, yes. > 2) The way to do it would be to change the web interface > default to 'discard' (so that all messages that were > identified correctly would not be used to train) > 3) Click on the appropriate radio button only on those > messages that SB either mis-categorized that it was unsure about. Yes. You could leave it as is, and individually click the 'discard' button (or 'discard' header) each time, but this would be easiest. =Tony Meyer From allen at gist.net.au Tue Apr 13 01:56:32 2004 From: allen at gist.net.au (Allen Bolderoff) Date: Tue Apr 13 01:56:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows XP SP2 breaks spambayes In-Reply-To: <000001c41525$6f5940b0$6501a8c0@CambridgeMA.GOV> Message-ID: This did not help, I have just decided to deal manually (and with outlook 2003 filters) until I can come up with a better solution. -----Original Message----- From: Robert K. Coe [mailto:bob@1776.com] Sent: Monday, 29 March 2004 10:03 AM To: 'Allen Bolderoff'; 'Tony Meyer'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Windows XP SP2 breaks spambayes A few weeks ago I was having this same problem (or one pretty much like it) with Windows XP SP1 and Outlook 2000. Somebody (I think it was you, Tony) suggested I try the Outlook "Detect and Repair" command, and that fixed it. It's at least worth a try. Bob MIS Department, City of Cambridge 831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139 . 617-349-4217 . fax 617-349-6165 > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Allen Bolderoff > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:58 PM > To: 'Tony Meyer'; spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Windows XP SP2 breaks spambayes > > > > > > > I have just installed XP SP2 beta, and spambayes breaks > > > with outlook 2003. anyone had experience with this? > > > > For all I know this is an actual problem, but just to check first: > > > > 1. What do you mean "breaks"? Just doesn't work anymore? Gives an error > > message? What does the log have? > > > > 2. Have you checked to see SpamBayes isn't just disabled? This happens > > with all sorts of Microsoft upgrades. > > > Ok, > Start outlook with spambayes enabled: > > Outlook throws to the standard MS - Do you want to send an error report, and > when you answer yes or no, after it has done what it needs to do to report > or not, you get the"Outlook experienced an error when trying to open the > spambayes addin (or words to that effect) do you want to disable this > plugin" dialog. > > I have a copy of the error report that MS wants to send if you need it just > tell me where to send it - quite large. From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Tue Apr 13 02:27:13 2004 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Tue Apr 13 02:27:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] ANNOUNCE: SpamBayes release 1.0b1 Message-ID: <00a701c42120$5ca69e70$0200a8c0@eden> The SpamBayes team is pleased to announce the latest release of SpamBayes - 1.0b1. Like the last version, this is both a release of the source code and of an installation program for all Microsoft Windows users. The Windows installation program will install either the Outlook add-in (for Microsoft Outlook users), or the SpamBayes server program (for all other mail client users, including Microsoft Outlook Express). All Windows users (including existing users of the Outlook add-in) are encouraged to use the installation program. If you wish to use the source-code version, you will also need to install Python - see README.txt in the source tree for more information. This release fixes a number of bugs in the last release, including a bug that could cause your PC to operate as an open mail relay in some cases. We recommend that all existing users upgrade. For a detailed description of everything (well, everything we remember) that has changed since the last release, you can view our WHAT_IS_NEW.txt file, either online, or in the source distribution. Get it via the 'Download' page at http://www.spambayes.org/download.html Enjoy the new release and your spam-free mailbox :-) Thanks to everyone involved in this release, particularly, and as usual, Tony Meyer for putting most of the actual release together! Mark. (on behalf of the SpamBayes team) --- What is SpamBayes? --- The SpamBayes project is working on developing a Bayesian (of sorts) anti-spam filter (in Python), initially based on the work of Paul Graham. The major difference between this and other, similar projects is the emphasis on testing newer approaches to scoring messages. The project includes a number of different applications, all using the same core code, ranging from a plug-in for Microsoft Outlook, to a POP3 proxy, to various command-line tools. From cindy at internetphotonics.com Tue Apr 13 07:26:42 2004 From: cindy at internetphotonics.com (Cindy Stiles) Date: Tue Apr 13 07:23:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Accidentally deleted SPAM folder Message-ID: <68208E6B3383A84D832806B708E845AA0925B9@megamail.internetphotonics.com> Help, I accidentally & completely deleted my SPAM folder from Outlook. The suspected file is still intact. I tried just putting in another folder titled SPAM but have lost the button in the suspects folder to remove out of Spam back into my in box and the button from my in-box to put into my Spam folder doesn't work. HELP ! Cindy Stiles Asst. Controller Internet Photonics, Inc. 1030 Broad Street, 2nd Floor Shrewsbury, NJ 07702 Tel: (732) 578-2136 Fax: (732) 389-4394 email: cindy@internetphotonics.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040413/231fad55/attachment.html From Harold.Vandeventer at dpra.com Tue Apr 13 09:24:57 2004 From: Harold.Vandeventer at dpra.com (Harold Vandeventer) Date: Tue Apr 13 09:25:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: whitelisting Message-ID: <710C39AC5BC90648B3CA31DC47D11116016CBE9F@mhk02.ad.dpra.com> I've not read this thread too closely, perhaps someone's already commented on this point. IMHO whitelisting doesn't seem to be worth the trouble. On numerous occasions, several of my coworkers have ALLEGEDLY sent SPAM to other coworkers. Upon investigation, those messages were created outside of our system using spoofed addresses. As a result, a whitelist approach would not have stopped that junk. ____________________________________ Harold Vandeventer Network Administrator DPRA Incorporated 200 Research Dr Manhattan, KS 66503 Voice: (785) 539-3565 ext 1026 FAX: (785) 537-0272 -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:55 PM To: 'Cedric Beust'; 'Katz, Amir'; 'Spambayes mailing list (E-mail)' Subject: RE: [Spambayes] RE: whitelisting >> Just my $0.02: one of the recent strains of viruses/worms >> goes into a person's address book and sends mails either >> to those addresses faking the 'From:' or uses those >> addresses as the 'From:'. If you unquestionably trust >> whitelisting, this kind of malware will hit you square >> between the eyes. > > True, but we are trying to block spam, not viruses. [...] > One tool for each purpose. While I agree with this in principle, sometimes something that is good at (and aimed towards) one thing, just happens to do another really well. There's nothing much in SpamBayes that's aimed at picking viruses (there are one or two tokens that are easy to spot, IIRC), but it does quite well at spotting them anyway (since they're often more homogenous than spam anyway). I think that the line between viruses and spam is becoming much harder to find. From what I've read and seen, it's becoming much more common to use viruses as a spamming tool - either to harvest addresses or to use compromised machines to send spam. I don't know what the future holds, but if it's more of these compromised machines, then whitelisting will become less and less effective. Until this year, I hadn't received any spam from people I know here in New Zealand, but I get a couple each week now. Not much bother now (even if they weren't classified correctly, which they are), but it will be if they continue to increase in frequency. It's probably obvious by now, but I'm yet another person that would be quite happy for SpamBayes to have some sort of whitelisting gimmick, but would have it turned off, and doesn't have the inclination to contribute towards coding it. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From kuqvv at hotmail.com Tue Apr 13 06:47:56 2004 From: kuqvv at hotmail.com (Ines Murillo) Date: Tue Apr 13 09:40:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] I was like M1LL1ONS of other Americans.... T Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040413/ab3a6abc/attachment.html From sean at elpnet.org Tue Apr 13 10:28:25 2004 From: sean at elpnet.org (Sean Pollock) Date: Tue Apr 13 10:24:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express tray icon disappeared In-Reply-To: <113b01c420fc$77faf780$0200a8c0@eden> Message-ID: <000001c42163$9d5eef60$0301a8c0@sean> I looked for the SpamBayesServer1.log to no avail. (If someone could point me in the right direction, I'd be much obliged.) Then I saw the announcement of the new release, so I installed that for Outlook and Outlook Express (I need to use both to keep two accounts separate), hoping it would be the magic bullet. Unfortunately, the tray icon was still red and still disappeared when I moused over it. So I looked at the files in the Application Data folder, and in the bayescustomize.ini, I noticed that persistent_use_database was set to pickle, which I had selected when I was playing around with settings right before spambayes stopped functioning. I changed it back to dbm in the .ini file, and now it works again. Though not very scientific in nature, I perhaps discovered that if one changes the persistent_use_database to pickle, then stops spambayes, it screws up the program and makes the icon dodgy. Anyway, I'm back on track and off pickles for awhile. -sean -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:10 PM To: sean@elpnet.org; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook Express tray icon disappeared We need a "troubleshooting guide" for this product too! Try and locate your Windows temp directory, and in that directory, you should find a file "SpamBayesServer1.log". Mail this file (to the list, not me!) and we may be able to locate the issue. If you don't know how to locate your temp directory or that file, mail back about that too :) Mark. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Sean Pollock Sent: Tuesday, 13 April 2004 8:12 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express tray icon disappeared Hello, I searched for this problem in the FAQ and in some other places on your site, but can't seem to find mention. I'm running WinXP with spambayes 0.9 on Outlook (used to be running great!) and also spambayes 1.0a9 setup for Outlook Express. I was getting an error yesterday and this morning in Outlook Express saying, "Your server has unexpectedly terminated the connection. Possible causes for this include server problems, network problems, or a long period of inactivity. Account: 'info account', Server: '127.0.0.1', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC0F." In trying to figure out the problem, I stopped the SpamBayes service through the tray icon, and now I can't get it to work. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling to no avail. When I start the tray icon, it shows up with the red mark (stopped), but as soon as I move the cursor over it to start it, it disappears. And now I can't access the Outlook plugin SpamBayes control menu. Any ideas? -sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040413/b891c28f/attachment-0001.html From dcarys at cox.net Tue Apr 13 11:43:07 2004 From: dcarys at cox.net (Dick Cary) Date: Tue Apr 13 11:41:33 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C07@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Tony, I did not make any changes to Outlook that I'm aware of other than install SpamBayes. I can't look at the address in the URL as I have already reformatted my hard drive. I now have everything reinstalled, except SpamBayes and everything seems normal. I am not getting any popups as before. I would love to use SpamBayes but I'm sure you can see my reluctance to do so. Dick Cary -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 8:46 PM To: 'Dick Cary'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Problem with SpamBayes > I downloaded SpamBayes yesterday and am receiving a popup > whenever I open Outlook 2000 or every time I click Inbox. > The message says: The Web page could not be found. This > error could have been caused by a bad or misspelled URL; > following an invalid link; or your network connection and/or > transient conditions on the internet. To check the URL, > choose the Home Page tab on the Properties dialog. Have you tried doing just that? i.e. right-click the Inbox, choose Properties, click the Home Page tab, and look at the URL? I don't use that feature of Outlook, so I don't even know what that URL does (mine is blank), but I presume it shows it when you click Inbox, or something like that. SpamBayes doesn't do anything with that property at all, so it seems unlikely that this is a result of installing SpamBayes. Did you do anything else related to Outlook that day? > I am running Windows 98SE. Outlook will still operate > as far as receiving and sending messages. I tried to > uninstall the program and removing all traces of SpamBayes > but nothing worked. I still get the error message. I > downloaded it again and still the same message. This really does lend weight to the theory that this has nothing to do with SpamBayes... =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From daniel_r at club-internet.fr Tue Apr 13 12:02:37 2004 From: daniel_r at club-internet.fr (Daniel REGNIER) Date: Tue Apr 13 12:02:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <000001c42170$c17e2520$0e07c3d4@dany> From rmalayter at bai.org Tue Apr 13 12:04:10 2004 From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter) Date: Tue Apr 13 12:04:14 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Exchange 2002 Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A021C8E32@cliff.bai.org> Make a copy of your dictionaries and INI files, and then uninstall spambayes. If that fixes the problem, we can probably help you. If it doesn't, you have a Microsoft issue on your hands. -ryan- ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Scott Link Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:41 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Exchange 2002 Its actually Exchange 2003 in back office...desktop is XP. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Link Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:34 AM To: 'spambayes@python.org' Subject: Exchange 2002 We just upgraded our back office server to Exchange 2002 and my e-mail just hangs("requesting data from server") indefinitely when I reboot or go to configure SpamBayes. Any suggestions?? Scott From cbeust at bea.com Tue Apr 13 12:19:14 2004 From: cbeust at bea.com (Cedric Beust) Date: Tue Apr 13 12:19:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting Message-ID: <82447314F99FB04EB45A98AF96FD7F170496AC23@ussfex01.bea.com> > From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] > > I am certainly not asking any of the free SpamBayes contributors to > > implement this feature just because > > *I* want it. I am simply trying to find out the reasons that led to > > the Whitelisting statement in the FAQ. > > This is a valid quest! I've updated the FAQ with information > from recent messages in this thread. Would you be able to > take a peak at it and see if you think that it is more clear > about the reasoning behind the current status? Yes, it looks good. Readers can now see this is not just a philosophical issue but also a technical one. I have to say that so far, SpamBayes has been doing a good job at filtering out spam even without whitelisting, but I think I am not the only one for whom whitelisting works pretty well, so the FAQ will help clear things up. Thanks, Tony, and to everybody else who participated in this thread. You are doing an awesome job! I hope I will find the time to contribute. -- C?dric http://beust.com/weblog From cbeust at bea.com Tue Apr 13 12:25:35 2004 From: cbeust at bea.com (Cedric Beust) Date: Tue Apr 13 12:30:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: whitelisting Message-ID: <82447314F99FB04EB45A98AF96FD7F170496AC2D@ussfex01.bea.com> > From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] > > True, but we are trying to block spam, not viruses. > [...] > > One tool for each purpose. > > While I agree with this in principle, sometimes something > that is good at (and aimed towards) one thing, just happens > to do another really well. > There's nothing much in SpamBayes that's aimed at picking > viruses (there are one or two tokens that are easy to spot, > IIRC), but it does quite well at spotting them anyway (since > they're often more homogenous than spam anyway). That's very true, it's always good to see a virus being caught in my Junk folder. If it's a direction that you guys would like to explore, I would be interested in discussing it further. On top of regular Bayesian selection, there are a few trends in viruses that would be easy for something like SpamBayes to exploit. For example, I noticed a recent trend in viruses to show a URL in clear text while the href points to something different, typically a cid: inside the email, which happens to be the start of the payload, often in the form of a .scr or other executable-like. Which leads to another potential clue differentiating spam from viruses: viruses will have URL's that point inside the email while spams refer to URL's on the Internet. > I don't know what the future holds, but if it's more of these > compromised machines, then whitelisting will become less and > less effective. I totally agree that whitelisting is useless to block viruses since they use address books to spoof From: addresses. Spam is different, though, since the From: address it typically totally made up. Interesting stuff! -- C?dric http://beust.com/weblog From shamrockin at ameritech.net Tue Apr 13 13:28:18 2004 From: shamrockin at ameritech.net (Bullard) Date: Tue Apr 13 13:28:25 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Feedback Message-ID: <001501c4217c$b63cb670$6501a8c0@bigguyupstairs> I'm running Windows XP, Outlook Express 6.0, and downloaded your Outlook 2000/XP/2003 SpamBayes Latest Release 1.0b1. Next, when I opened my Outlook Express after the download, nothing had been added (tool bars) to my Outlook Express, nothing from SpamBayes appeared anywhere. I am not a programmer and was so confused by your instructions regarding if Outlook Express is compatible with SpamBayes or not. In one place you mention that it is not going to work for Outlook Express users, in the download and other places it says 'this program is a plugin for Outlook Express' which leans towards it being useful for an Outlook Express user. I could not figure out if I am able to use this program or not. In Troubleshooting there are no instuctions on what to do if nothing happens after the download installation. In my case, no toolbar shows up in Outlook Express, and nothing to indicate I have even downloaded anything. I really need something to sort the spam, but this program doesn't seem to work with what I've got. I just thought you would want the feedback. Reine shamrockin@ameritech.net From skip at pobox.com Tue Apr 13 14:06:38 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue Apr 13 14:07:14 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question about training via the web interface In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B84@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E1149D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B84@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <16508.11310.536971.425121@montanaro.dyndns.org> Tony> ... "train to exhaustion" (complex; there's a Robinson blog about Tony> it). From what I've seen, I'd say that "train to exhaustion" Tony> gives the best results, but is very slow ... I use train-to-exhaustion and don't find it particularly slow (takes a few minutes per run). Note that I don't t-t-e for each message I want to train on. Instead, I let new hams and spams pile up for awhile and train a couple times a day. I have a shell script which wraps the tte.py Python script in contrib. It's specific to my environment, but I'm more than happy to make it available if anybody wants a copy. Skip From JLichtman at uua.org Tue Apr 13 14:32:27 2004 From: JLichtman at uua.org (Julie Lichtman) Date: Tue Apr 13 14:32:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] When a message is mis-identified as spam Message-ID: Every time my Mom emails me, her email goes directly to my deleted folder before I even see it. How can I train spambayes to recognize her as a friendly sender? Julie Lichtman Annual Program Fund Assistant Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations 25 Beacon Street Boston, MA 02108 tel: 617-948-6512 fax: 617-725-4979 web site: www.uua.org email: jlichtman@uua.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040413/c63a3259/attachment.html From skip at pobox.com Tue Apr 13 17:07:01 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue Apr 13 17:07:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Feedback In-Reply-To: <001501c4217c$b63cb670$6501a8c0@bigguyupstairs> References: <001501c4217c$b63cb670$6501a8c0@bigguyupstairs> Message-ID: <16508.22133.660627.965819@montanaro.dyndns.org> Reine> I am not a programmer and was so confused by your instructions Reine> regarding if Outlook Express is compatible with SpamBayes or Reine> not. In one place you mention that it is not going to work for Reine> Outlook Express users, in the download and other places it says Reine> 'this program is a plugin for Outlook Express' which leans Reine> towards it being useful for an Outlook Express user. I could not Reine> figure out if I am able to use this program or not. Reine, Thanks for the feedback. Can you point to places in the documentation or on the Spambayes website where you found this issue confusing? I quickly skimmed the website and didn't see any conflicting or incorrect statements about Outlook Express. One thing you need to be aware of is that Outlook and Outlook Express, despite their similar names, are two completely different pieces of software. The Outlook plugin integrates tightly with Outlook. It does not work with Outlook Express, as indicated on the Windows page: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html There is a POP3 proxy which works well with Outlook Express. As far as I'm concerned, much of the blame for the confusion rests with Microsoft, since they gave such similar names to two very different pieces of software. Reine> In Troubleshooting there are no instuctions on what to do if Reine> nothing happens after the download installation. In my case, no Reine> toolbar shows up in Outlook Express, and nothing to indicate I Reine> have even downloaded anything. I really need something to sort Reine> the spam, but this program doesn't seem to work with what I've Reine> got. Did you run the installer or just download it? Sorry if this seems like a rude question. It's not meant to be. You refer to "download installation" then later "nothing to indicate I have even downloaded anything". Spambayes will work quite happily with Outlook Express. I haven't used the new dual-mode Windows installer, but it should work for you. It should detect the presence of Outlook Express in your environment and install the POP3 proxy for you. Skip From pterrett at rapidmap.com.au Tue Apr 13 18:04:42 2004 From: pterrett at rapidmap.com.au (Peter Terrett) Date: Tue Apr 13 18:04:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Using dialup up modem is tooooo slow Message-ID: I have installed Spambayes and it works very well. However I often use a dial up line and Spambayes is bogging down my email system to the extent that it is takes up to 30 minutes to process 30 or 40 emails, most of which are junk. If I run the uninstall (under control panel) does SpamBayes uninstall without problems? Regards, Peter Terrett RapidMap Identify.Inform.Interact.Integrate.Inspire p:+61 3 9455 1699 f:+61 3 9455 1990 m: 0419 30 7770 w: www.rapidmap.com.au Suite 5/2 Research Avenue Bundoora Vic 3083 ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040414/386d1558/attachment-0001.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 13 19:19:57 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 13 19:20:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Accidentally deleted SPAM folder In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E116B3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C22@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I accidentally & completely deleted my SPAM folder from Outlook. Please see FAQ 3.13: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 13 19:34:38 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 13 19:34:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question about training via the web interface In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E117C3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B89@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I use train-to-exhaustion and don't find it particularly slow > (takes a few minutes per run). Note that I don't t-t-e for > each message I want to train on. Instead, I let new hams and > spams pile up for awhile and train a couple times a day. I > have a shell script which wraps the tte.py Python script in > contrib. It's specific to my environment, but I'm more than > happy to make it available if anybody wants a copy. I worded that poorly. I meant that it wouldn't work using it for each message to train on like the typical sb_server training. I might even be wrong there since it could run with a whole page of training. I do think that it would be interesting to have sb_server somehow able to use tte.py. Offhand, I'm not all that sure what the best way to offer this would be, though. You feed tte.py a few hundred messages at a time, yes? How well do you think it would work if you feed it a smaller number (60, or whatever it is that sb_server displays on a single page)? =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 13 19:40:23 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 13 19:40:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Using dialup up modem is tooooo slow In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E11846@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B8A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have installed Spambayes and it works very well. > However I often use a dial up line and Spambayes is > bogging down my email system to the extent that it > is takes up to 30 minutes to process 30 or 40 emails, > most of which are junk. Are you using the Outlook plug-in or sb_server? If the former, then I'm not sure I see how SpamBayes slows the process down - all this mail would be downloaded anyway, right? SpamBayes doesn't interfere with that process at all - in fact you can have disconnected with all your mail downloaded and SpamBayes will still continue on classifying the mail. Maybe adjusting the background filtering options (in the Advanced tab) would help? If you are using sb_server, then this does slow the process down a bit, as the messages go through the proxy as they are arriving and are classified at that point. It really shouldn't be that slow, though. My wife's system at home is through a really slow (rural NZ) dialup connection on a pretty slow machine and I can't notice any difference between going directly to the mail server and through the proxy. Maybe something's odd with your settings? > If I run the uninstall (under > control panel) does SpamBayes uninstall without problems? Yes. If you're using the Outlook plug-in you'll also need to remove the toolbar. Please see FAQ 3.14: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 13 19:46:26 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 13 19:46:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] When a message is mis-identified as spam In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E117D0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C25@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> You're using Microsoft Outlook (not Express), yes? If not, then everything else in this mail is invalid; I can explain that situation, too, just ask. > Every time my Mom emails me, her email goes directly > to my deleted folder before I even see it. I presume you mean your spam folder (or "Junk mail", or whatever it is called) here and not the Deleted Items folder. SpamBayes isn't capable of moving mail to the Deleted Items folder. > How can I train spambayes to recognize her as a friendly sender? Go to the Spam/Junk Mail folder and click the message. In the SpamBayes toolbar at the top of the window there should be a button named "Recover >From Spam". If you click that the message will be both moved back to its original location and trained as "good" mail. Make sure you do this for all the good mail that ends up in the Spam/Junk Mail folder. Unless mail from your Mom looks a lot like some sort of spam that you get, it should only take training a single message to stop this happening (at the least the messages should end up in the "Possible Spam"/"Possible Junk" folder instead). If this doesn't help, then what would help us figure out what is happening is selecting one of the messages that's incorrectly classified and choosing "Show Spam Clues" from the drop-down SpamBayes menu on the toolbar. This will open up a new message with the 'clues' that SpamBayes used to make its decision. If you email this to us (spambayes@python.org) then we can see why it was classified as it was. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 13 19:54:31 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 13 19:56:09 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express tray icon disappeared In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E11726@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B8B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I looked for the SpamBayesServer1.log to no avail. > (If someone could point me in the right direction, > I'd be much obliged.) The new release includes a troubleshooting guide for sb_server which doesn't have much in it, but does have this. A shortcut to it is installed in your Start menu (under SpamBayes). > Unfortunately, the tray icon was still red and still > disappeared when I moused over it. So I looked at the > files in the Application Data folder, and in the > bayescustomize.ini, I noticed that persistent_use_database > was set to pickle, which I had selected when I was > playing around with settings right before spambayes > stopped functioning. I changed it back to dbm in the > .ini file, and now it works again. Though not very > scientific in nature, I perhaps discovered that if one > changes the persistent_use_database to pickle, then stops > spambayes, it screws up the program and makes the icon > dodgy. I suspect that if you do find the log file, it'll have something like this in it: """ File "c:\spambayes\spambayes\storage.py", line 113, in load tempbayes = pickle.load(fp) EOFError """ The problem (*a* problem at least, and I suspect the one here) is that when you change to/from dbm from/to pickle, the existing database is still there and is the wrong type. When you try to start SpamBayes again, it fails because the database type is incorrect. This is a known problem, and has been for a while. The nice solution would be that if you did this via the web interface a new page should open pointing out the problem and offering to (a) delete the database to start from scratch, or (b) use sb_dbexpimp.py to convert the database to the new format. No-one's managed to get around to doing this, though. > Anyway, I'm back on track and off pickles for awhile. Good to hear :) Be sure to let us know if anything else goes wrong. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From cbeust at bea.com Tue Apr 13 20:03:28 2004 From: cbeust at bea.com (Cedric Beust) Date: Tue Apr 13 20:03:33 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] When a message is mis-identified as spam Message-ID: <82447314F99FB04EB45A98AF96FD7F1704B592A8@ussfex01.bea.com> > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > > If this doesn't help, then what would help us figure out what > is happening is selecting one of the messages that's > incorrectly classified and choosing "Show Spam Clues" from > the drop-down SpamBayes menu on the toolbar. This will open > up a new message with the 'clues' that SpamBayes used to make > its decision. If you email this to us (spambayes@python.org) > then we can see why it was classified as it was. Looks like I'm not the only one interested in Whitelisting :-) -- C?dric http://beust.com/weblog From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 13 20:16:58 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 13 20:17:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Using dialup up modem is tooooo slow In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E1188C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C2C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Thank you for your response. I am using the Outlook plug in > and our system at the company is Exchange Server. It appears > to take a little while to process each email then when you > move them to either the Junk or Inbox folder it has to learn more. > > I will look at the advance options. Ah, what I didn't figure on was that this is connecting to an Exchange server over a dialup. In that case, you would have to be connected, because the messages won't be able to be moved unless you are. In this case, *disabling* the "background filtering" option in the Advanced tab might give the best results. The main reason for this option (which puts a little delay between the message arriving and it being filtered) is so that rules can be run on messages before SpamBayes gets hold of them (otherwise sometimes SpamBayes gets the message first, and sometimes the rules get the message first; this way is consistent). With an Exchange server (almost all) rules are run on the server anyway, so you don't really need the delay. If turning off "background filtering" doesn't help, then it really might be that it's too slow. The uninstall should work, anyway (with the additional manual deletion of the SpamBayes toolbar). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From cbeust at bea.com Tue Apr 13 20:27:14 2004 From: cbeust at bea.com (Cedric Beust) Date: Tue Apr 13 20:27:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting with Outlook 2003 Message-ID: <82447314F99FB04EB45A98AF96FD7F1704B592C7@ussfex01.bea.com> There seems to be a way to provide Whitelisting directly from Outlook 2003. I noticed that Outlook 2003 has a rule "When sender is in ". The idea would be to move any messages matching this criterion into a folder not monitored by SpamBayes (e.g. "Verified"), so that SpamBayes doesn't get a chance to treat it (it looks like SpamBayes kicks in *after* the message has been exposed to all the rules, at least with Outlook 2003 + Exchange). The downside is that you end up with four folders (Inbox, Verified, Junk suspects and Junk). Not the most convenient set up, but it can be seen as a "poor man's Whitelisting". Also, you should be able to Whitelist entire domains (such as any email coming from someone at your company) using the rule "With specific words in the sender's address". -- C?dric http://beust.com/weblog From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 13 20:30:41 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 13 20:31:01 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting with Outlook 2003 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E118AF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C2F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > (it looks like SpamBayes kicks in *after* > the message has been exposed to all the rules, at least with > Outlook 2003 + Exchange). This is the idea behind the (now default) "background filtering" option. It ensures that SpamBayes always follows the rules. With that option off, it's anyone's guess as to who sees a message first. This should be the case with any version of Outlook, and with or without Exchange (in fact, rules running on Exchange, which includes most, should run before SpamBayes even without this option). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From cbeust at bea.com Tue Apr 13 20:36:36 2004 From: cbeust at bea.com (Cedric Beust) Date: Tue Apr 13 20:36:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting with Outlook 2003 Message-ID: <82447314F99FB04EB45A98AF96FD7F1704B592D5@ussfex01.bea.com> > From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] > > (it looks like SpamBayes kicks in *after* the message has been exposed > > to all the rules, at least with Outlook 2003 + Exchange). > > This is the idea behind the (now default) "background > filtering" option. It ensures that SpamBayes always follows > the rules. With that option off, it's anyone's guess as to > who sees a message first. This should be the case with any > version of Outlook, and with or without Exchange (in fact, > rules running on Exchange, which includes most, should run > before SpamBayes even without this option). Good to hear. And I agree, it's the best solution: this way you allow users to fully exploit the power of rules offered in Outlook, and it's that much less that SpamBayes needs to implement. Side question: can SpamBayes be configured to move ham (not spam) into a particular folder? The idea would be to make the Inbox the "maildrop", where both SpamBayes and the Rules pick email messages and then dispatch them to the right folders. This way you can drop the number of folders from four (Inbox, Verified, Junk suspects and Junk) to three (you no longer need to use Inbox). -- C?dric http://beust.com/weblog From skip at pobox.com Tue Apr 13 20:49:32 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue Apr 13 20:49:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Feedback In-Reply-To: <0b4e01c4219e$5ad1ba20$6501a8c0@bigguyupstairs> References: <001501c4217c$b63cb670$6501a8c0@bigguyupstairs> <16508.22133.660627.965819@montanaro.dyndns.org> <0b4e01c4219e$5ad1ba20$6501a8c0@bigguyupstairs> Message-ID: <16508.35484.760501.471570@montanaro.dyndns.org> Bullard> The confusion is the same in your email as I saw on the site: >>> It does not work with Outlook Express, as indicated on the Windows >>> page<< >>> Spambayes will work quite happily with Outlook Express.<< You need to understand that there are several applications written which use the same Spambayes spam classification technique. (You also took my reply out of context, but I'll let that go.) As I indicated in my initial response, there is a plugin for Outlook. That *does not* work with Outlook Express. There is a POP3 proxy which will work with any mail reader (as far as we know). It fetches email using the POP3 protocol and *does* work with Outlook Express. There is an IMAP filter which works with IMAP servers. There is an application which only works with Lotus Notes. Each of these applications is tailored to a different environment but uses the same spam classification engine. My guess is that you probably want the POP3 proxy. Bullard> It doesn't work, it does work, which one is correct? I'm Bullard> thinking this program is better when you understand more from a Bullard> programmers point of view. Lots of non-programmers use Spambayes. Don't think of it as one program though. There are several. You need to choose the correct one for your environment. >>> Did you run the installer or just download it? Sorry if this seems >>> like a rude question. It's not meant to be. You refer to "download >>> installation" then later "nothing to indicate I have even downloaded >>> anything".<< Bullard> Ha ha.. that's okay. I downloaded SpamBayes-1.0b1.exe and ran Bullard> the program, went through what looked like an installation Bullard> process. When it was finished I opened my Outlook Express and Bullard> found no wizard, no tool bar, etc. Correct, because the POP3 proxy doesn't form a tight integration with Outlook Express. You manage it from your web browser, probably by connecting to http://localhost:8880/ Bullard> Well thanks for answering my feedback, I can see from your Bullard> email that I'm not going to be able to follow the 2 or 3 part Bullard> directions to use this program without help on this side of the Bullard> screen. So if you want to move onto another emailer that's Bullard> probably a good idea at this point. I don't want to take up Bullard> your time any longer, and I have made the decision not to use Bullard> this program at this time. That is, of course, your choice. I think you might want to take one more shot at it. Skip From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 13 20:55:03 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 13 20:55:56 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting with Outlook 2003 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E118B4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C31@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Side question: can SpamBayes be configured to move ham (not > spam) into a particular folder? No. This has been requested from time to time (not for a while, though), but has never been added. It would be a much easier patch to write than whitelisting, though. (Although it's not as certain that it would be seen as worth adding to the core distribution, though you could make a case for it). =Tony Meyer From cbeust at bea.com Tue Apr 13 21:01:23 2004 From: cbeust at bea.com (Cedric Beust) Date: Tue Apr 13 21:01:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting with Outlook 2003 Message-ID: <82447314F99FB04EB45A98AF96FD7F1704B592EC@ussfex01.bea.com> > From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] > > Side question: can SpamBayes be configured to move ham (not > > spam) into a particular folder? > > No. This has been requested from time to time (not for a > while, though), but has never been added. It would be a much > easier patch to write than whitelisting, though. (Although > it's not as certain that it would be seen as worth adding to > the core distribution, though you could make a case for it). I don't think it's a very important feature: it's not that big a deal to monitor four folders instead of three, especially with Outlook's very handy "shortcut pane". I was just thinking about all this and it made me draw a parallel with the way UNIX systems handle their mail: they have the "mail drop" (typically, /var/mail/) where sendmail drops the messages, which are then picked up by the MTA and transferred into the user's account. The problem you were talking about earlier (race condition between Rules and SpamBayes) might be avoided if you define such a maildrop, which is not supposed to be accessed by the user ever. It's only there for the system, which can then use plug-ins such as Rules or SpamBayes to apply its filtering and dispatch the messages in user folders. Just thinking out loud. -- C?dric http://beust.com/weblog From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 13 21:45:46 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 13 21:46:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Using dialup up modem is tooooo slow In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E118AD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B8C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > You have been very helpful. We aim to help :) > Is there anyway of grabbing an > email and letting the system know that it is a wanted email, > eg I moved your original email from the suspect folder to the > inbox and I thought that it would have learnt that you are > not suspect, when your last email arrived it was moved from > the inbox to suspect, it does the same with emails from my wife. How did you move the messages? Just doing a regular Outlook drag'n'drop, or with the "Recover From Spam" button on the toolbar? If the 'incremental training' options are on (Training tab in the Manager dialog), which I think they are by default, then the former should do the appropriate training. The latter will always do the appropriate training. SpamBayes should be learning that messages like these are not spam. Try selecting one of the messages and choosing "Show Spam Clues for current message" from the drop-down menu on the SpamBayes toolbar. This will open up a window that has the score that SpamBayes gave the message (close to 0% is good, close to 100% is junk) and the clues that it found in the message. Unless you've trained something that looks like these mails as junk, I would expect that it would only take training one or two as good to get the rest right. You could take a look at the clues while the message is still in the suspect folder, and then once it's moved back to the inbox, and the score should be lower. If the score doesn't change, then the message isn't being trained. In that case, then knowing how you're moving the message (as above) and a copy of your log file (you can get to that via SpamBayes Manager->Advanced (tab)->Diagnostics (button)->View Log (button)) would help in figuring out why that is. If the score does change, but not by much, and you can't see from the clues why the message scored what it did, then sending us (spambayes@python.org) a copy of the clues would let us explain why that is. (Sometimes it's because you've trained much more good mail than bad, or because you've trained a good message as bad, and things like that are reasonably easy for us to spot looking at the clues). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 13 23:17:03 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 13 23:17:25 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] you program In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E118D6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B8D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Sorry to bother you, but I sent 2 other emails to "all". > One came back, not the second one, but nobody has answered > yet. I still have the same problem (no filter). These emails did reach the list (Saturday and Sunday), and they're in my list of SpamBayes emails to be answered if no-one else gets to them first - sadly this list is now 91 messages long, and slowly growing. We answer mail as we find the time - with last weekend being Easter a lot of people may have been away (I was, for example), which means a slower response than normal. > I don't get any error message (good !), but in "training", > messages known... I click "browse", click on the onew I want > (junk and good), it doesn't take them. > It says in start training "you have to choose at least one > spam and good folder". Note that the "training" tab is used to train SpamBayes with messages you've already collected. You should be able to just train as you go (using the "Delete As Spam" and "Recover From Spam" buttons) and not use this tab at all. To choose where filtered mail goes (i.e. where SpamBayes will put mail it thinks is spam) use the "Filtering" tab. That said, what do you mean by "doesn't take them"? If you tick the box next to a folder and then click "OK", what appears in the box next to "Browse"? Nothing? Certainly you'll get the "have to choose at least one" error if you try to train with no folders selected. > In my log all mail delivery (failure jeanine@cancunassist.com) > are spam. But they are not all there. [...] > They don't appear in the log. Not appearing in the log hints that maybe SpamBayes is disabled (by Outlook). If you choose "About Microsoft Outlook" from the Help menu, there may be a "Disabled Items" button in the dialog that pops up. If there is, click it and see if SpamBayes is listed there (and reenable it if it is). > I have used outlook only for 2-3 weeks instead of OE, > and I don't know it well. I suspect that some of the problem here is because of this - it'll take a bit to get used to Outlook, and once you are, you'll probably find SpamBayes easier to understand, too. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 13 23:48:26 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 13 23:48:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Web Interface?? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E10BBE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B8F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > The main thing is that the "Review Messages" table is too wide for my > screen. What resolution are you using? I'm guessing 640x480 - I tried 800x600 (as small as I can go with this monitor) and it fit ok. In the advanced configuration options there are some ways you can tweak the review page - i.e. remove some of the columns (or add more), which might help. The page should resize as small as it can, fitting in everything in the appropriate column. How would you modify it to make it fit a smaller screen? > Other things I'd like to change: > Pasting a message into the 'Train this message' box. The box is SO > SMALL. I'd like to enlarge it, or make it resizable so I can see more > of the message. I don't think a resizable box is possible with HTML. It's long been recognised that the box is pretty small - a comment in the code indicates that the original intention was to separate out the stuff on the main page into separate pages, and then make the boxes bigger. I think people have become accustomed to the boxes on the front page, though. A problem is that the textbox doesn't resize nicely like most HTML elements. It could be wider (say 80 characters rather than 60) and still fit on a 800x600 screen, but that would make it worse for those with smaller screens (like you, I'm assuming). I gather you'd rather have more vertical length - how much more? Would a couple of extra lines be enough, or would you want a large paste box on its own page? > (I've been cutting out the SpamBayes headers, so it > trains on a message without those clues) You can safely leave those in, unless you've changed the tokenizing options. Almost all headers are ignored by default (excluding "Subject", "To", "From", "Received", and so on), including all the SpamBayes ones. With the 1.0b1 release, even the "spam," tag used by Outlook Express users in the subject or recipient list is correctly removed. > Instead of leaving that page to view a specific message, I'd > like to pop open a different browser window and review it there. > Hmmm, maybe I can do this simply by right-clicking on the message > and choosing 'Open in a new window' Yes, you can do this. Or by shift-clicking the link. I think the default of having it open in the same window is liked by more people, so, given the ease of doing it the other way, I think this will remain unchanged. However, this one is easy to change, unlike the above, if you want to run a modified version yourself. Just install resourcepackage and change the appropriate links in ui.html to have a "target" attribute. I forget what the code for 'new window' is - something like "new" or "_new". > And finally links to all the SpamBayes Web Interface pages up top. At the top of all pages, or just some? Something like "Home Configuration Statistics Review Help" (where each word is a link) at the top of each page? I can see something like this might be useful. > I think maybe your Outlook addin does this. Some of the mail > in the list seems to be describing 'toolbar'(s) that I don't have. The Outlook addin is tightly integrated into Outlook, so it provides a toolbar in the actual mail program itself where you can access all the things that sb_server users have the web interface for. It's nicer in many ways, but it requires a lot more work, and a new version has to be made for every mail client, unlike the web interface that works with any. There has been talk in the past about creating a similarly integrated Eudora plug-in, but nothing (that I know of) has come of it. With the Windows tray app now available, and the likely dialog-based configuration and drag-and-drop training to come, I suspect that the generic approach will remain acceptable enough to not worry about it. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 14 00:07:29 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 14 00:07:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] using SpamBayes with Cloudmark Spamnet In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305A49F38@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C37@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Thanks, Tony. It does look like the spam score is actually > changing. This has taken me a while, but I finally managed to find time to install Cloudmark's Spamnet and try this myself. > Here's what the spam clues said before I clicked "Block": > > Combined Score: 69% (0.685541) > Internal ham score (*H*): 0.0402351 > Internal spam score (*S*): 0.411316 > > # ham trained on: 2102 > # spam trained on: 568 [...] > And here's what it said after: > > Combined Score: 0% (9.49102e-005) > Internal ham score (*H*): 0.999812 > Internal spam score (*S*): 1.92535e-006 > > # ham trained on: 2103 > # spam trained on: 567 There was definitely training between these two processes - one more ham and one fewer spam have been trained. Are you certain that this didn't happen for some other reason? Using the SpamBayes plug-in from source (that shouldn't change anything) and SpamNet 2.4.3 with Outlook 2002 SP2 and Windows XP SP1, I can't duplicate this behaviour. Neither the "block" nor "unblock" buttons change the "Spam Clues" report at all. I think it's reasonably safe to say that whatever is happening, it's not affecting SpamBayes in any bad way, and so you can just keep on going ignoring this. Maybe the version of SpamNet I downloaded is newer, and this fixes an old issue or something. Anyway, I'm out of ideas about how to figure out what this is, so will leave it for now, unless I heard more about it in the future. (In which case it's good to have these messages in the archive for future research). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 14 00:19:58 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 14 00:20:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] this might seem fickle... In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305BC7752@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C38@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [Nathan Sudds] > I installed a toolbar for putting paypal payment > buttons into my emails... it's another outlook addon.. > ever since then the icons for Spambayes show up as the > paypal icons... it's a minor thing but it's pretty > annoying for a visual person like myself... any advice? The icons get assigned when the toolbar is created, so you *might* be able to fix this by deleting the toolbar. SpamBayes will automatically recreate it the next time you open Outlook, and that might fix it. However, if you're one of the people for whom the toolbar gets recreated every time you launch Outlook (like me and Tim) this isn't going to help. The icons get put there by loading the image onto the clipboard and pasting it onto the button. This is why you'll find that after creating the toolbar the happy icon is still on the clipboard. If the above didn't work, then I'm guessing that in between SpamBayes loading the image onto the clipboard and pasting it, the other addin loads its own images onto the clipboard and so the wrong one gets pasted. I don't see any easy way to work around this. I presume that the copy/paste technique is the only way that Outlook provides for setting the image, otherwise Mark would have used another one (and presumably the paypal addin is doing the same thing). [Bob Coe] > Your experience is far from the first evidence that the > Spambayes toolbar is flaky. For example: I've colored my > "delete" and "recover" buttons red and green, respectively. > This morning, for no obvious reason, the buttons reverted > to yellow, and I had to re-color them. I suspect that the log for that day would have had the "The above toolbar message is common - recreating the toolbar..." message in it. It's not clear what causes this problem - for some of us (like me!) it happens every single time Outlook is opened - and Mark has decided that it's better to deal with it by recreating the toolbar than to worry about tracking down all the possible causes. Recreating the toolbar, though, is likely to lose this sort of thing, since the images would be re-pasted (although the toolbar thankfully stays in the same place). As you said, it's really an Outlook thing. If there was a simple "UseThisImage" call that could be made to the button object, rather than this silly copy/paste system, things would be much better. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 14 00:25:00 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 14 00:25:21 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E11468@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C39@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > The problem I am having is that I am a Mozilla user and cannot figure > out how to set up a working proxy for use with my email > system. I tried several different approaches but none have worked. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. ( Yes I installed spambayes > to work as a proxy) Again thanks in advance for any help you can be. If you've installed SpamBayes then you need to: 1. Configure SpamBayes (if you haven't already). Specifically, you need to enter in the address for your POP3 server and a port to locally proxy this on. 2. In Mozilla, go to Edit->Mail and Newsgroups Account Settings, and click on "Server Settings" underneath the account you want to proxy. Change the entry in "Server name" to "localhost" and the entry in "port" to whatever port you selected above. That should be all you need to do. Mail should now go through the proxy and have a "X-SpamBayes-Classification" header added to it, which you can filter on. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tim_one at email.msn.com Wed Apr 14 01:09:30 2004 From: tim_one at email.msn.com (Tim Peters) Date: Wed Apr 14 01:09:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C17@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: [Tim] >> I just bought a new box, w/ WinXP Pro & Outlook 2003. [Tony] > Oh no! Don't tell me we just lost our Win98 tester? <0.9 wink> Nope! I'll reveal a trick of the trade: Win98SE has the most erratic scheduling of any OS in existence. Because I happen to work professionally on multi-process multi-threaded software, that makes Win98 my most valuable testing platform: I can often provoke thread errors on Win98 in seconds that can't be provoked in a month on a Linux box. So I'll keep a Win98 box around until I get a real job . What *did* change is that I'm not bothering with Berkeley DB anymore: the new box has a gigabyte of RAM, and even a giant pickled dict fits in a small corner of that (and runs a lot faster than bsddb). From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 14 01:19:13 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 14 01:19:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E1195A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B92@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > What *did* change is that I'm not bothering with Berkeley DB > anymore: the new box has a gigabyte of RAM, and even a giant > pickled dict fits in a small corner of that (and runs a lot > faster than bsddb). It's been quite some time since we've seen a DBRunRecoveryError reported, so I'm somewhat hopeful that we've eliminated the main causes of that problem (or have put off the users that tend to experience it ;). IIRC that was the main reason that you switched to Berkeley DB anyway. The one report that I recall recently was how to deliberately provoke it, but it involved more than one SpamBayes process accessing the database at one time, which we happily admit we don't support, or XP corrupting the database for us when synchronising (no idea what to do about that). =Tony Meyer From NAVMSE-YORKMAIL01 at coopertools.com Wed Apr 14 02:55:36 2004 From: NAVMSE-YORKMAIL01 at coopertools.com (NAV for Microsoft Exchange-YORKMAIL01) Date: Wed Apr 14 03:03:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you sent. The inf ected attachment was deleted. Message-ID: <55AC68E7253BD411BC4D00609453692601262540@yorkmail01.apex.coopertools.com> Recipient of the infected attachment: Anstine, Harold\Inbox Subject of the message: Re: Bill One or more attachments were deleted Please scan your machine for Viruses! Attachment bill4.pif was Deleted for the following reasons: Virus W32.Netsky.T@mm was found. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1999 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040414/168a04f5/attachment.bin From Harold.Vandeventer at dpra.com Wed Apr 14 09:23:03 2004 From: Harold.Vandeventer at dpra.com (Harold Vandeventer) Date: Wed Apr 14 09:23:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Using dialup up modem is tooooo slow Message-ID: <710C39AC5BC90648B3CA31DC47D11116015EA964@mhk02.ad.dpra.com> One of my users, with a laptop and Outlook plug-in .81, also complained about exceedingly slow performance during a modem session. He disabled SpamBayes and the mail then downloaded very quickly in his next session. He claims there was approximately the same amount of mail in both sessions. I discussed with him that I'd be surprised if SpamBayes was the bottleneck because the mail would have to download anyway, but he (the company President) assured me that a SB disable did the trick. For dial in sessions, he opens Outlook, disables SB, then makes the modem connection. He's happy; I'm happy he's not complaining. ____________________________________ Harold Vandeventer Network Administrator DPRA Incorporated 200 Research Dr Manhattan, KS 66503 Voice: (785) 539-3565 ext 1026 FAX: (785) 537-0272 -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 6:40 PM To: 'Peter Terrett'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Using dialup up modem is tooooo slow > I have installed Spambayes and it works very well. > However I often use a dial up line and Spambayes is > bogging down my email system to the extent that it > is takes up to 30 minutes to process 30 or 40 emails, > most of which are junk. Are you using the Outlook plug-in or sb_server? If the former, then I'm not sure I see how SpamBayes slows the process down - all this mail would be downloaded anyway, right? SpamBayes doesn't interfere with that process at all - in fact you can have disconnected with all your mail downloaded and SpamBayes will still continue on classifying the mail. Maybe adjusting the background filtering options (in the Advanced tab) would help? If you are using sb_server, then this does slow the process down a bit, as the messages go through the proxy as they are arriving and are classified at that point. It really shouldn't be that slow, though. My wife's system at home is through a really slow (rural NZ) dialup connection on a pretty slow machine and I can't notice any difference between going directly to the mail server and through the proxy. Maybe something's odd with your settings? > If I run the uninstall (under > control panel) does SpamBayes uninstall without problems? Yes. If you're using the Outlook plug-in you'll also need to remove the toolbar. Please see FAQ 3.14: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From Harold.Vandeventer at dpra.com Wed Apr 14 09:36:07 2004 From: Harold.Vandeventer at dpra.com (Harold Vandeventer) Date: Wed Apr 14 09:36:22 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting with Outlook 2003 Message-ID: <710C39AC5BC90648B3CA31DC47D11116015EA965@mhk02.ad.dpra.com> I'm not a programmer, just an end-user... but Whitelisting against an address book, in my own experience, is not worth one second of anyone's effort. Several of my co-workers names have been spoofed, and the senders of the junk mail are sending to those same co-workers. Thus, specifying my address list or my company's domain doesn't solve the problem. That junk mail APPEARS to be from the fellow in the next cube, but in fact is from a SPAMMER somewhere outside of our system. But the whitelist concept would let that mail in, untouched! The message headers clearly prove my buddy (in my address list) DID NOT send that message. ____________________________________ Harold Vandeventer Network Administrator DPRA Incorporated 200 Research Dr Manhattan, KS 66503 Voice: (785) 539-3565 ext 1026 FAX: (785) 537-0272 -----Original Message----- From: Cedric Beust [mailto:cbeust@bea.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:27 PM Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting with Outlook 2003 There seems to be a way to provide Whitelisting directly from Outlook 2003. I noticed that Outlook 2003 has a rule "When sender is in ". The idea would be to move any messages matching this criterion into a folder not monitored by SpamBayes (e.g. "Verified"), so that SpamBayes doesn't get a chance to treat it (it looks like SpamBayes kicks in *after* the message has been exposed to all the rules, at least with Outlook 2003 + Exchange). The downside is that you end up with four folders (Inbox, Verified, Junk suspects and Junk). Not the most convenient set up, but it can be seen as a "poor man's Whitelisting". Also, you should be able to Whitelist entire domains (such as any email coming from someone at your company) using the rule "With specific words in the sender's address". -- C?dric http://beust.com/weblog _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From Harold.Vandeventer at dpra.com Wed Apr 14 09:43:30 2004 From: Harold.Vandeventer at dpra.com (Harold Vandeventer) Date: Wed Apr 14 09:43:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Whitelisting with Outlook 2003 Message-ID: <710C39AC5BC90648B3CA31DC47D11116015EA966@mhk02.ad.dpra.com> I'm not sure you're reducing the number of folders, just changing the name from Inbox to maildrop. You've gone from: Inbox, Verified, Junk suspects and Junk to Maildrop, Verified, Junk suspects and Junk. What's the difference in writing the rules to parse Inbox vs Maildrop? ____________________________________ Harold Vandeventer Network Administrator DPRA Incorporated 200 Research Dr Manhattan, KS 66503 Voice: (785) 539-3565 ext 1026 FAX: (785) 537-0272 -----Original Message----- From: Cedric Beust [mailto:cbeust@bea.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:37 PM Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Whitelisting with Outlook 2003 > From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] > > (it looks like SpamBayes kicks in *after* the message has been exposed > > to all the rules, at least with Outlook 2003 + Exchange). > > This is the idea behind the (now default) "background > filtering" option. It ensures that SpamBayes always follows > the rules. With that option off, it's anyone's guess as to > who sees a message first. This should be the case with any > version of Outlook, and with or without Exchange (in fact, > rules running on Exchange, which includes most, should run > before SpamBayes even without this option). Good to hear. And I agree, it's the best solution: this way you allow users to fully exploit the power of rules offered in Outlook, and it's that much less that SpamBayes needs to implement. Side question: can SpamBayes be configured to move ham (not spam) into a particular folder? The idea would be to make the Inbox the "maildrop", where both SpamBayes and the Rules pick email messages and then dispatch them to the right folders. This way you can drop the number of folders from four (Inbox, Verified, Junk suspects and Junk) to three (you no longer need to use Inbox). -- C?dric http://beust.com/weblog _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From michael at kimballpottery.com Wed Apr 14 10:57:22 2004 From: michael at kimballpottery.com (Michael Kimball) Date: Wed Apr 14 10:58:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Web Interface?? References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B8F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <407D5152.C23810B6@kimballpottery.com> Tony Meyer wrote: > > > The main thing is that the "Review Messages" table is too wide for my > > screen. > > What resolution are you using? I'm guessing 640x480 - I tried 800x600 (as > small as I can go with this monitor) and it fit ok. In the advanced 1024 x 768. I think the problem is that I am using Netscape 4.79, which doesn't have much support for CSS. I've opened the page in Firefox and it lays out much better. Is it possible to have Spambayes pages open in Firefox or any browser other than the one your email is integrated with? Currently I am playing with Firefox and some older versions of Mozilla, but I'm still using Netscape as my 'default' browser. If there is a config or ini or some such file that I could edit to force SpamBayes to open in Firefox, rather than my 'default' browser... Maybe I should just bite the bullet and change the default to Firefox. I'm starting to play with CSS and the Mozilla browsers/gecko browsers have better support and permit me to have a "user" css. And, I think, permit the user to select the .css he wants to use, so I could have a default (all pages designed with purple text on a black background would be converted to "This page is best viewed in a garbage bin" :) and specific .css files for SpamBayes and for any other sites that I regularly view ( one for my wife's site using different background, header, and navigation colours, so she thinks I've changed her site again heh heh heh :) > configuration options there are some ways you can tweak the review page - > i.e. remove some of the columns (or add more), which might help. The page That was also part of it. I had added CC and ...ummm...something else...I forget... Anyway I didn't really need them (some mssgs to the various mailing lists showed the mailing list name in the CC rather than the To) I've since unsubscribed from most of the lists which I don't keep up with and removed the extra columns. > should resize as small as it can, fitting in everything in the appropriate > column. How would you modify it to make it fit a smaller screen? > > > Other things I'd like to change: > > Pasting a message into the 'Train this message' box. The box is SO > > SMALL. I'd like to enlarge it, or make it resizable so I can see more > > of the message. > > I don't think a resizable box is possible with HTML. It's long been > recognised that the box is pretty small - a comment in the code indicates > that the original intention was to separate out the stuff on the main page > into separate pages, and then make the boxes bigger. I think people have > become accustomed to the boxes on the front page, though. > > A problem is that the textbox doesn't resize nicely like most HTML elements. > It could be wider (say 80 characters rather than 60) and still fit on a > 800x600 screen, but that would make it worse for those with smaller screens > (like you, I'm assuming). I gather you'd rather have more vertical length - > how much more? Would a couple of extra lines be enough, or would you want a > large paste box on its own page? > > > (I've been cutting out the SpamBayes headers, so it > > trains on a message without those clues) > > You can safely leave those in, unless you've changed the tokenizing options. > Almost all headers are ignored by default (excluding "Subject", "To", > "From", "Received", and so on), including all the SpamBayes ones. With the > 1.0b1 release, even the "spam," tag used by Outlook Express users in the > subject or recipient list is correctly removed. Since I can leave those in there would be no need for me to edit the mssg in the box. So no need to change the size. Problem resolved. > > > Instead of leaving that page to view a specific message, I'd > > like to pop open a different browser window and review it there. > > Hmmm, maybe I can do this simply by right-clicking on the message > > and choosing 'Open in a new window' > > Yes, you can do this. Or by shift-clicking the link. I think the default > of having it open in the same window is liked by more people, so, given the > ease of doing it the other way, I think this will remain unchanged. Yeah, I discovered this myself, just after I sent you that request. Oops, sorry. > > However, this one is easy to change, unlike the above, if you want to run a > modified version yourself. Just install resourcepackage and change the > appropriate links in ui.html to have a "target" attribute. I forget what > the code for 'new window' is - something like "new" or "_new". > > > And finally links to all the SpamBayes Web Interface pages up top. > > At the top of all pages, or just some? Something like "Home Configuration > Statistics Review Help" (where each word is a link) at the top of each > page? I can see something like this might be useful. Yes, exactly like that. Plus a link to SpamBayes http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ On all pages. > > > I think maybe your Outlook addin does this. Some of the mail > > in the list seems to be describing 'toolbar'(s) that I don't have. > > The Outlook addin is tightly integrated into Outlook, so it provides a > toolbar in the actual mail program itself where you can access all the > things that sb_server users have the web interface for. It's nicer in many > ways, but it requires a lot more work, and a new version has to be made for > every mail client, unlike the web interface that works with any. There has > been talk in the past about creating a similarly integrated Eudora plug-in, > but nothing (that I know of) has come of it. With the Windows tray app now > available, and the likely dialog-based configuration and drag-and-drop > training to come, I suspect that the generic approach will remain acceptable > enough to not worry about it. I didn't mean to imply I wanted a Netscape toolbar, just that parts of the toolbar sounded like the web interface that I was trying to describe. A web interface header that includes those links would probably do the job just fine. > > =Tony Meyer > > --- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This > way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. 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Robert From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 14 19:22:42 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 14 19:22:56 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Delete as SPAM thru OWA In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E92404@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C43@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > If I log into Exchange thru OWA and move email from Junk > Suspects to the Junk Email folder or my Inbox, will Spambayes > train on these messages? Assuming Outlook is running on my PC > at work. I'm using the latest Outlook plugin. Thanks. Assuming that you have the appropriate "incremental training" options turned on ("Training" tab in the Manager dialog) this should work. It does for me here with Outlook 2002 SP2 (not sure if I can figure out how to get the OWA version). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com Wed Apr 14 19:26:59 2004 From: Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com (Robert Mezzone) Date: Wed Apr 14 19:27:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Delete as SPAM thru OWA Message-ID: <1254A68F4903D411B24800508B1220E9037A8420@solomon1.pjsc.internal> OWA is Outlook Web Access, reading your mail thru a web browser. Sorry should have been more clear. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer To: Robert Mezzone ; spambayes@python.org Sent: Wed Apr 14 19:22:42 2004 Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Delete as SPAM thru OWA > If I log into Exchange thru OWA and move email from Junk > Suspects to the Junk Email folder or my Inbox, will Spambayes > train on these messages? Assuming Outlook is running on my PC > at work. I'm using the latest Outlook plugin. Thanks. Assuming that you have the appropriate "incremental training" options turned on ("Training" tab in the Manager dialog) this should work. It does for me here with Outlook 2002 SP2 (not sure if I can figure out how to get the OWA version). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From t-meyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 14 19:28:08 2004 From: t-meyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 14 19:28:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: lauching Spambayes on Mac OS 9 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E92350@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B96@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [FWIW, you'd be better off asking SpamBayes questions in the SpamBayes list - spambayes@python.org] > I've installed the latest version of python for mac os 9. > But now the spambayes indicates that i have to run python > setup.py and then run python scripts/sb_server.py...and > that's the problem! i can't figure out how to run these commands! I believe that when you installed Python you ended up with an application called "PythonLauncher", yes? If you option-drag the setup.py script to this you should be offered ways that you can launch the script. You want to pass it a command line argument "install". Once that's done, I believe you can simply double-click sb_server.py to run it (it doesn't need any command-line arguments). Then go to and you should see the main web interface page. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 14 19:31:31 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 14 19:31:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Delete as SPAM thru OWA In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E9241B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C45@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> >> Assuming that you have the appropriate "incremental training" >> options turned on ("Training" tab in the Manager dialog) this >> should work. It does for me here with Outlook 2002 SP2 (not >> sure if I can figure out how to get the OWA version). > OWA is Outlook Web Access, reading your mail thru a web > browser. Sorry should have been more clear. Yes, that's what I tested. It was clear enough, and, again, should work fine. =Tony Meyer From Crismateski at earthlink.net Thu Apr 15 00:08:36 2004 From: Crismateski at earthlink.net (Cris Mateski) Date: Thu Apr 15 00:08:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] multiple users Message-ID: <000001c4229f$535d89c0$6401a8c0@xp2200> I am trying to get spambayes to work on outlook 2002 with multiple users. I read in the troubleshooting guide, but I am not sure exactly what it is saying. I know it is in the registry, but when I go to regedit I can not find anything spambayes related. It says it is in regsvr32.exe /i:hkey_local_machine "c:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\outlook_addin.dll" When I look in hkey, I can not find program files. I tried looking in software, but can not find anything there. If someone could explain what I need to do, that would be great. I am not to familiar with the registry. Thanks Cris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040414/b33f3cb1/attachment.html From DJ.Jackson at dpi.wa.gov.au Thu Apr 15 00:11:35 2004 From: DJ.Jackson at dpi.wa.gov.au (Jackson, DJ) Date: Thu Apr 15 00:10:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Importing to Db Message-ID: <73B01D91E37D3140A699425100333208027FD2D3@murex01.dpi.wa.gov.au> Gday, I am trying to setupo one big DB to send to other users. I have been saving spam as .msg files and sending them to trend to add to the server BUT this is a long process and the spam gets coming faster and stronger. I was wondering If I could import these .msg files directly into the spam db as spam and then save amnd send the db to other users? Is this possible and if so how? I have read the FAQ and had a quick look thru the archives without success. We are using w2k addin for Outlook with Exchange server DJ From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 15 00:21:06 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 15 00:21:21 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] multiple users In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E924D2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B9B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I am trying to get spambayes to work on outlook 2002 > with multiple users. I read in the troubleshooting guide, > but I am not sure exactly what it is saying. I know it is > in the registry, but when I go to regedit I can not find > anything spambayes related. It says it is in regsvr32.exe > /i:hkey_local_machine > "c:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\outlook_addin.dll" When I > look in hkey, I can not find program files. I tried looking > in software, but can not find anything there. If someone > could explain what I need to do, that would be great. > I am not to familiar with the registry. The instructions aren't talking about using regedit to manually edit the registry, they're talking about running a command which will do it for you. FWIW, the SpamBayes entry is in 'Software\Microsoft\Office\Outlook\Addins\', either in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE (all users) or HKEY_CURRENT_USER (current user). Some people have had trouble with the command in the troubleshooting guide, anyway, though, so do this instead: This assumes that you installed SpamBayes into "C:\Program Files\SpamBayes". If you put it somewhere else, then change appropriately. 1. Open a command window (Start->Run->cmd.exe or Start->Run->command.exe) 2. Change to C: (type "C:" and enter) 3. Change to the directory you installed SpamBayes into (type "cd c:\program files\SpamBayes" and enter) 4. Change to the "bin" directory in that directory (type "cd bin" and enter) 5. Type "outlook_addin_register.exe /i:hkey_local_machine" and enter. This should do the trick. Let us know if you have troubles. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From skip at pobox.com Wed Apr 14 22:15:43 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Thu Apr 15 00:30:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question about training via the web interface In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B89@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E117C3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B89@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <16509.61519.669544.18226@montanaro.dyndns.org> >>>>> "Tony" == Tony Meyer writes: Tony> I do think that it would be interesting to have sb_server somehow Tony> able to use tte.py. Offhand, I'm not all that sure what the best Tony> way to offer this would be, though. Perhaps defer actual training until the user clicks a "train" button? Tony> You feed tte.py a few hundred messages at a time, yes? How well Tony> do you think it would work if you feed it a smaller number (60, or Tony> whatever it is that sb_server displays on a single page)? Yes, at the moment I'm feeding it about 1000 messages total. As far as training speed, feeding it 60 messages would be a breeze. As far as classification quality I suspect it would be about the same as normal training on a similar number of messages. Here's a thought... Instead of blasting through your entire training set all at once, break it into chunks, say 100 messages each. t-t-e on the first set, then using the resulting database t-t-e on the second set, etc. My guess is that after training to exhaustion on set 1, more messages in set 2 will score properly on the first pass and not need to be used as training fodder. The result might be a faster run time for the entire set and a smaller database. maybe... Skip From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 15 00:30:50 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 15 00:30:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Importing to Db In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E924D4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B9C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I am trying to setupo one big DB to send to other users. I > have been saving spam as .msg files and sending them to trend > to add to the server BUT this is a long process and the spam > gets coming faster and stronger. I was wondering If I could > import these .msg files directly into the spam db as spam and > then save amnd send the db to other users? If you can put all the saved spam in an Outlook folder, then you can do this: 1. Close Outlook. 2. Move aside your own databases (default_bayes_database.db and default_message_database.db in your Data directory, which the FAQ explains how to find). 3. Start Outlook up again and cancel out of the Wizard if it appears. 4. Go to the "SpamBayes Manager" dialog from the SpamBayes toolbar. 5. On the "Training" tab, use the top two "Browse" buttons to select no ham folders and the spam folder(s) you have put the saved spam into. 6. Click "Start Training". Once this is done, you can send the default_bayes_database.db and default_message_database.db files to whoever you like to use as a starting database. If you want to combine databases, this will be more tricky. To get back to how you were, do this: 7. Close Outlook. 8. Replace the new database files (after sending them!) with the ones you moved aside in step 2. 9. Open Outlook again, and you're back how you were. Some additional notes: * SpamBayes learns fairly quickly - maybe you don't need to kickstart other's training? * A strength of SpamBayes is that it learns personal definitions of ham and spam. Are you certain that your definition of spam will match theirs? * SpamBayes works best with a roughly even number of ham and spam trained. Are they going to have enough ham to be able to train to match the amount of trained spam you're giving them? * I've never seen test results showing that "Training on everything" is a good option, and the majority (AFAICT) of people don't use it in practice. Training on mistakes is a good, simple, solution. This means that the database stays relatively small, too, which is good. Does this mesh well with the spam you're giving them? (it should almost certainly be 'hard to classify' spam). * A small database often beats a large one (see above point). Giving people a large amount of spam training to start with might not give good results. Giving them a smaller database might be better. Hope this is of use. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From Crismateski at earthlink.net Thu Apr 15 00:44:07 2004 From: Crismateski at earthlink.net (Cris Mateski) Date: Thu Apr 15 00:44:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] multiple users In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B9B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <000001c422a4$4cb72b30$6401a8c0@xp2200> Thank you for the very fast response, although it does not seem to have worked. I tried it twice with no luck. I tried rebooting after the second attempt to see if that made a difference, but it did not help. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:21 PM To: 'Cris Mateski'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] multiple users > I am trying to get spambayes to work on outlook 2002 > with multiple users. I read in the troubleshooting guide, > but I am not sure exactly what it is saying. I know it is > in the registry, but when I go to regedit I can not find > anything spambayes related. It says it is in regsvr32.exe > /i:hkey_local_machine > "c:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\outlook_addin.dll" When I > look in hkey, I can not find program files. I tried looking > in software, but can not find anything there. If someone > could explain what I need to do, that would be great. > I am not to familiar with the registry. The instructions aren't talking about using regedit to manually edit the registry, they're talking about running a command which will do it for you. FWIW, the SpamBayes entry is in 'Software\Microsoft\Office\Outlook\Addins\', either in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE (all users) or HKEY_CURRENT_USER (current user). Some people have had trouble with the command in the troubleshooting guide, anyway, though, so do this instead: This assumes that you installed SpamBayes into "C:\Program Files\SpamBayes". If you put it somewhere else, then change appropriately. 1. Open a command window (Start->Run->cmd.exe or Start->Run->command.exe) 2. Change to C: (type "C:" and enter) 3. Change to the directory you installed SpamBayes into (type "cd c:\program files\SpamBayes" and enter) 4. Change to the "bin" directory in that directory (type "cd bin" and enter) 5. Type "outlook_addin_register.exe /i:hkey_local_machine" and enter. This should do the trick. Let us know if you have troubles. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 15 01:36:10 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 15 01:36:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] multiple users In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E924E5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B9D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Thank you for the very fast response, although it does not > seem to have worked. I tried it twice with no luck. You're right, sorry. I tested it here and there's a bug with the install via the outlook_addin_register application. I've checked in a fix for that, but I still have no idea why the regsvr32 method gives a "DllInstall entry point not found" error. This doesn't help you much, though. Apart from waiting for a new release (which could be a while since one went out this week), the easiest option would be to run from source. (You can just do "addin.py hkey_local_machine" and it'll work; I've tested this). Alternatively, you could build a new version of the binary from source yourself, or get someone else to. I can't do this at the moment, because it needs to be built with Outlook 2000 and I only have Outlook 2002. If you ask around, someone on the list *might* do this for you. Sorry this isn't more use. On the positive side, you've helped fix a problem that now won't effect users of the next relase :) =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 15 01:41:43 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 15 01:41:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] multiple users In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2B9D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C53@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Thank you for the very fast response, although it does not > seem to have worked. I tried it twice with no luck. Argh. Ignore that last message. I still don't know why the regsvr32 version doesn't work, but the outlook_addin_register version does, I just had the arg slightly wrong (it's one of those days). Use the instructions I gave originally, but change the command to "outlook_addin_register.exe hkey_local_machine" (i.e. no /i:). This works here, so should for you. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From Crismateski at earthlink.net Thu Apr 15 02:08:10 2004 From: Crismateski at earthlink.net (Cris Mateski) Date: Thu Apr 15 02:08:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] multiple users In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C53@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <000001c422b0$0a6c6180$6401a8c0@xp2200> Thank you very much, it worked perfectly. To be honest, I really don't have any clue what that just did, but it worked. Thanks again Cris -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:42 PM To: 'Cris Mateski'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] multiple users > Thank you for the very fast response, although it does not > seem to have worked. I tried it twice with no luck. Argh. Ignore that last message. I still don't know why the regsvr32 version doesn't work, but the outlook_addin_register version does, I just had the arg slightly wrong (it's one of those days). Use the instructions I gave originally, but change the command to "outlook_addin_register.exe hkey_local_machine" (i.e. no /i:). This works here, so should for you. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From Amir_Katz at bmc.com Thu Apr 15 02:25:52 2004 From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir) Date: Thu Apr 15 02:26:03 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question about training via the web interface Message-ID: In the Review Messages page, I changed the default for Ham and Spam to 'discard' and now the training is also much faster. IMHO, this behavior should be the default. As I suspected, and Tony explained, there is no advantage in training on messages that were identified correctly - artificially enlarging your p****s, (:-) oops, database, does not help. Amir -----Original Message----- From: Katz, Amir [mailto:Amir_Katz@bmc.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 08:17 To: Tony Meyer Cc: 'Spambayes mailing list (E-mail)' Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Question about training via the web interface Tony, First, thanks for the explanation. Now, if I try to convert theory into practice, this is what I understand: 1) I should train SB only on its mistakes or failure to categorize. 2) The way to do it would be to change the web interface default to 'discard' (so that all messages that were identified correctly would not be used to train) 3) Click on the appropriate radio button only on those messages that SB either mis-categorized that it was unsure about. Please confirm. Amir -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 06:20 To: 'Katz, Amir'; 'Spambayes mailing list (E-mail)' Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Question about training via the web interface > I RTFMed and could not find an explanation for this. You need to RTFW: , . > 3. SB was %100 correct in its analysis, and I do not > need to click on any message to change its category. > > My question is: in this case, does it make any sense > to click on the 'train' button? As I understand it, > for those messages, SB it does not need any further training. > > Am I right or am I right (:-) ? Maybe. There hasn't really been enough testing on different training methods to be able to make a conclusive statement. However, IMO (based on testing and reading mail here): 1. Training on everything is not a good idea. 2. The three best training methods (so far) are "mistake based training" (train false positives, false negatives, unsures), "non-edge training" (train everything inside certain edges, say 0.05 and 0.95), and "train to exhaustion" (complex; there's a Robinson blog about it). From what I've seen, I'd say that "train to exhaustion" gives the best results, but is very slow, and the other two are about even - nonedge tends to just win for me personally. With the web interface, you don't really (yet) have a convenient way to do "train to exhaustion", which leaves the other alternatives. The defaults really point towards "train on everything" (which may change) - but in the Advanced Configuration you can set the buttons to default to other categories ('discard', for example), to lean towards "mistake based training". IIRC, there was something added in 1.0a9 to help with nonedge training, but I can't recall what it was - I'm sure it's there somewhere. Hope this helps! =Tony Meyer _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From Amir_Katz at bmc.com Thu Apr 15 02:28:20 2004 From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir) Date: Thu Apr 15 02:28:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: YahooPOPS Message-ID: A while ago someone mentioned YahooPOPS which enables accessing Yahoo mail via POP3 and thus enabling putting SpamBayes in the middle. Are there similar gateways for Hotmail and Netscape mail? Thanks, Amir Katz, CISSP "The C Programming Language - A language which combines the flexibility of assembly language with the power of assembly language." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040415/bcc0a00d/attachment.html From philip at first-dutch.com Thu Apr 15 03:14:36 2004 From: philip at first-dutch.com (Philip J. Hartog) Date: Thu Apr 15 03:14:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] OL2K and Spambayes - delete from server does not work Message-ID: Spam indentified by Spambayes and after that deleted by me. Then empty the deleted folder should also delete the mail from the server. However, these messages that were identified by Spambayes remain on the server. What has to change ? thx PJH From ed at dubbin.com Thu Apr 15 06:23:29 2004 From: ed at dubbin.com (Edward Wild) Date: Thu Apr 15 06:23:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Unifying databases Message-ID: Hi, Couldn't find an answer in the wiki or faq. I have Outlook set up on several machines on a home network, using a rather shoddy technique of accessing .pst folders directly on the server rather than using exchange server. My question is how do I tell spambayes to use a spam database on the server rather than the local machine, so that spam I zap on any machine gets incorporated into a central database? Thanks in advance Ed From kbxbuf at yahoo.com Thu Apr 15 09:30:01 2004 From: kbxbuf at yahoo.com (Ina Sargent) Date: Thu Apr 15 06:30:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Your business/ personal website for Just $47 - Limited time offer Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040415/2dfbcdcd/attachment-0001.html From kennypitt at hotmail.com Thu Apr 15 10:14:43 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Thu Apr 15 10:16:07 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: YahooPOPS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've used Hotmail Popper (http://www.boolean.ca/hotpop/) very successfully, but unfortunately it's no longer free. I suppose there's a chance you might still be able to find an older version of it floating around the net. There's also HotPOP3 on SourceForge (http://sourceforge.net/projects/hotpop3) but I've never tried it. I've also seen references to other shareware utilities but don't have any info on them. Try doing a Google search for something like "Hotmail POP3 access" and see what comes up. -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Katz, Amir Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:28 AM To: Spambayes mailing list (E-mail) Subject: [Spambayes] RE: YahooPOPS A while ago someone mentioned YahooPOPS which enables accessing Yahoo mail via POP3 and thus enabling putting SpamBayes in the middle. Are there similar gateways for Hotmail and Netscape mail? Thanks, Amir Katz, CISSP "The C Programming Language - A language which combines the flexibility of assembly language with the power of assembly language." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040415/1db64ba9/attachment.html From kennypitt at hotmail.com Thu Apr 15 10:33:56 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Thu Apr 15 10:35:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question about training via the web interface In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Katz, Amir wrote: > In the Review Messages page, I changed the default for Ham and Spam to > 'discard' and now the training is also much faster. The danger is that you might discard a mistake without noticing it. Personally, I keep the defaults as Defer and use the Ham and Spam Discard Levels. I have Ham Discard Level set to 0.001 and Spam Discard Level set to 99.99. That way only the messages that had near perfect classification scores default to discard. > IMHO, this behavior should be the default. As I suspected, and Tony > explained, there is no advantage in training on messages that were > identified correctly. I don't believe Tony meant to imply that there is *no* advantage to training on correct messages. Nobody has proved a "perfect" training strategy one way or another. Training only on mistakes and unsures works well for most people (including myself), but I find that if that's all I do then my training gets out of balance. My ham messages are much easier for SpamBayes to identify because they are more homogeneous, so most of my mistakes (very rare) and unsures are spam. Occassionally, I need to go back and train on some of the properly identified ham messages in order to keep things balanced. -- Kenny Pitt From grinak at freemail.nl Thu Apr 15 10:25:30 2004 From: grinak at freemail.nl (Edgar Anthony) Date: Thu Apr 15 11:15:06 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] FWD: Medication ORder # 12485 Is ready for pickup lrfcqfe Message-ID: <1my1$$odi7o44$25@pgy52avq> Spambayes How are you? We have the medications you are looking for! Proceed Here http://www.warehouseoffers.com/qog345/104/ Super Low Cost! World Wide Secure Shipping No Doctors Visits Xanax, Valium, Vicodin Plus Many More At super Low prices Proceed Here http://www.warehouseoffers.com/qog345/104/ Rem0ve L1st http://www.pharmaplus.biz/r/r.htm cpzpbd btmkki rg i wbwm veav p bjvrqlhhholcbj From kennypitt at hotmail.com Thu Apr 15 11:15:37 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Thu Apr 15 11:16:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question about training via the web interface In-Reply-To: <16509.61519.669544.18226@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Skip Montanaro wrote: > Here's a thought... Instead of blasting through your entire training > set all at once, break it into chunks, say 100 messages each. t-t-e > on the first set, then using the resulting database t-t-e on the > second set, etc. My guess is that after training to exhaustion on set > 1, more messages in set 2 will score properly on the first pass and > not need to be used as training fodder. The result might be a faster > run time for the entire set and a smaller database. Don't know if this has been suggested before, but this leads me to another idea about using TTE for "incremental" training. For "initial" training, we start from an empty training database and perform TTE over the entire training set. For incremental training, it might be too expensive to train over that entire set every time, even in 100 message chunks. Besides, not everyone will want to keep the entire history of received messages around for future training. Instead, we could cache only the most recent 100 messages (or whatever number is reasonable for performance) to use in the next training session. Each training session would start from the *existing* training database and perform TTE over the cached messages plus the newly received messages. After training, the new messages would be added to the cache and the oldest messages deleted to get back to the desired cache size. I believe Gary alludes to something like this in his TTE instructions, but doesn't give any details about how to do it. -- Kenny Pitt From cbeust at bea.com Thu Apr 15 14:59:18 2004 From: cbeust at bea.com (Cedric Beust) Date: Thu Apr 15 14:59:33 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Integrating SpamBayes in Outlook Rules Message-ID: <82447314F99FB04EB45A98AF96FD7F1704B5997A@ussfex01.bea.com> I was wondering about the feasibility of integrating SpamBayes with Outlook Rules. First of all, is this part of Outlook pluggable at all? Can external providers add their own criteria and actions so that when the user selects "Create a new rule", these criteria and actions will be added to the standard ones? If the answer is yes, then it would make a lot of sense to add an action "If SpamBayes marks this message as spam": * It reduces the extra functionality the SpamBayes needs to provide (UI, moving messages). * It allows SpamBayes to focus on what it does best: deciding if a message is spam. * It gives more power to users who can then integrate SpamBayes with all the power offered by Outlook rules (once again, less stuff for SpamBayes to reimplement). * Users can order SpamBayes and rules more easily (impossible right now since SpamBayes is always run after the Rules). Thoughts? -- Cedric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can external > providers add their own criteria and actions?so that when the user > selects "Create a new rule", these criteria and actions will be added > to the standard ones? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 705 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040415/d4d944bd/attachment.bin From nauman at t-vec.com Thu Apr 15 15:45:01 2004 From: nauman at t-vec.com (Aaron Nauman) Date: Thu Apr 15 15:41:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] folder selection problems In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C08@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <7CE14DF2E53BD5118B2400902745F047025D476E@jefferson.software.org> I installed the beta version 1.0b1 and the behavior changed. Aaron Inbox Info Inbox Other Given mailbox accounts like this, if I select the Inbox under Info, I get messagebox Please select child folder - top-level folders can't be used In the log file I see something like this Eeek - couldn't get the folder to check valid Aaron > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 9:49 PM > To: 'Aaron Nauman'; spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] folder selection problems > > > > The info > > account is added through the Exchange settings as Additional > > Mailbox. (Select Tools | Services; choose Exchanges Server > > and click properties; select the Advanced tab). > [...] > > If I choose the Inbox under Info as the filter target, it is > > checked but I can't close the dialog. I can close the dialog > > if I unselect the folder. > > Could you try to do this again (to add the log entries) and > then send us a > copy of your most recent log file? It should have some sort of error > message in it that we can use to fix the problem. > > =Tony Meyer > > --- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about > SpamBayes. This > way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies > when I'm busy. > From drissmiller at gasair.net Thu Apr 15 15:54:05 2004 From: drissmiller at gasair.net (Dale Rissmiller ) Date: Thu Apr 15 15:54:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <000801c42323$6b3501c0$6801a8c0@Dale> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040415/de638d8e/attachment.html From peterparslow at onetel.net.uk Thu Apr 15 17:37:04 2004 From: peterparslow at onetel.net.uk (Peter Parslow) Date: Thu Apr 15 17:37:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] getting started Message-ID: <407F0E90.26290.21C3CB@localhost> Hi, I've downloaded & installed spambayes. I set the POP3 servers up in the configuration page & set my mail client to connect to "localhost", all as per the instructions. Then I tell my mail client to fetch mail - and it responds saying the POP server has indicated that I haven't provided the correct password. Not surprising, I suppose, as I can't see anywhere that I can tell spambayes what user name & password to provide. From the lack of instructions, I'd assume that it somehow passes through the username/password provided by my email client, but that doesn't seem to happen. I'm using Pegasus Mail v4.02 over Windows XP Home. Peter From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 15 20:09:12 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 15 20:23:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] getting started In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E92755@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C59@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Then I tell my mail client to fetch mail - and it responds saying the > POP server has indicated that I haven't provided the correct password. Have you tried entering the password in again? Are you connecting normally, or with SSL? > Not surprising, I suppose, as I can't see anywhere that I can tell > spambayes what user name & password to provide. From the lack of > instructions, I'd assume that it somehow passes through the > username/password provided by my email client, but that doesn't > seem to happen. That is what happens. Your mail client connects to localhost:110 and gets the exact same prompt as if it has connected to mailserver:110 (you can telnet there yourself and see this in action). The mail client does the same USER and PASS commands as it would normally do, and SpamBayes just copies this across. It's not until there is a RETR (retrieve) command that SpamBayes does anything with the data received, and IIRC it never does anything to the data sent (from the client's POV). If you open up your configuration file and add a "[Globals]" section with "verbose:True" in it, then sb_server will create a _pop3proxy.log file (in the current working directory, I think) which records the POP3 conversation. There may be clues in that. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 15 20:11:55 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 15 20:23:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] you program In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E92743@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C5A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Thanks for your answer. Actually, if I was in a hurry > to get an answer, it is because -I think- I have seen > that I must register with you within a week, and I > was not able to do it. Maybe it is why it doesn't work. You're confused with something else. You don't have to 'register' SpamBayes at all. It's free to use, for however long you want to use it, and you don't have to let us know anything about you using it at all. There are no conditions [1]. You can even sell it if you want. =Tony Meyer [1] OK, so there are *some* conditions. There're outlined in the license document, which is either in the source archive that you downloaded, or linked to from the readme if you're using the binary (installer) program. Point is, the conditions are minimal. --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From mcclurgm at bellsouth.net Thu Apr 15 23:00:05 2004 From: mcclurgm at bellsouth.net (Mark McClurg) Date: Thu Apr 15 23:00:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] _pop3proxyspam.mbox on XP Desktop ?? Message-ID: <407F4C35.8090906@bellsouth.net> I have just installed spambayes for use on XP with Outlook Express. I've run a few emails through for training, and all appears operational - I'm excited to have this program to decrease the SPAM i've been dealing with. I've one question though. A file by the name of _pop3proxyspam.mbox has now shown up on my Desktop. I don't see any reference to this file being placed in any directory, and I see no directory in the .ini file that I would modify to have this file written elsewhere. Can someone explain what I can/should do - it's confusing with it visible on the Desktop. Thanks! Mark From papaDoc at videotron.ca Thu Apr 15 23:19:30 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (Remi Ricard) Date: Thu Apr 15 23:20:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Cannot connect to socket with sb_bnserver.py In-Reply-To: <1081387657.10006.15.camel@porsche> References: <1080424390.4065.24.camel@porsche.hq.simlog.com> <200403290812.15965.tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com> <1081387657.10006.15.camel@porsche> Message-ID: <1082085570.3293.4.camel@porsche> Hi, I still have problem with sb_bnfilter.py I still get the errpr: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/gmc/logiciels/spambayes/scripts/sb_bnfilter.py", line 220, in ? main() File "/gmc/logiciels/spambayes/scripts/sb_bnfilter.py", line 116, in main s = make_socket(server_options, filename) File "/gmc/logiciels/spambayes/scripts/sb_bnfilter.py", line 166, in make_socket s.connect(file) File "", line 1, in connect socket.error: (111, 'Connection refused') I think one of you told me to do a test like "telnet localhost port" (I Can't find the old email) The port I should use should be 111 ? If I get a connection (i.e. I can telnet to the port) then the port is already used so where should I go to change the port ? I can't see anything in sb_bnfilter.py or sb_bnserver.py Remi From skip at pobox.com Thu Apr 15 23:52:56 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Thu Apr 15 23:53:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Cannot connect to socket with sb_bnserver.py In-Reply-To: <1082085570.3293.4.camel@porsche> References: <1080424390.4065.24.camel@porsche.hq.simlog.com> <200403290812.15965.tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com> <1081387657.10006.15.camel@porsche> <1082085570.3293.4.camel@porsche> Message-ID: <16511.22680.232923.682139@montanaro.dyndns.org> ... Remi> socket.error: (111, 'Connection refused') Remi> I think one of you told me to do a test like "telnet localhost Remi> port" (I Can't find the old email) Remi> The port I should use should be 111 ? Nope. 111 is the socket error message. I don't think the telnet trick will work since sb_bnserver.py opens a unix domain socket. sb_bnfilter.py works like a champ for me. Are you using the latest versions of each (1.1 of both in the scripts directory)? How do you have sb_bnfilter.py configured to run from your .procmailrc file? Are there any interesting messages in your .procmail.log file? I don't know if this will help, but I did run into one problem. When running sb_bnfilter.py from my .procmailrc file sb_bnserver.py was aborting because a different version of the Python interpreter (/usr/bin/python I think) was being used to run it (no spambayes directory in site-packages). The PATH procmail sees is pretty basic. Even if I explicitly specified sb_bnfilter.py like this: SCORE=$HOME/local/bin/sb_bnfilter.py sb_bnserver.py was run with /usr/bin/python. The solution was to prepend $HOME/local/bin to my PATH early in my .procmailrc file: PATH=$HOME/local/bin:$PATH That would certainly explain why sb_bnfilter.py has nothing to connect to. Skip From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 16 00:07:45 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 16 00:07:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] _pop3proxyspam.mbox on XP Desktop ?? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E9280C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C5F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I've one question though. A file by the name of > _pop3proxyspam.mbox has now shown up on my Desktop. > > I don't see any reference to this file being placed in any > directory, and I see no directory in the .ini file that I > would modify to have this file written elsewhere. > Can someone explain what I can/should do - it's confusing with it > visible on the Desktop. I'd completely forgotten that that file was created (hence the delay in replying, although you're right the second time in using this list and not spambayes-dev), which could also be the case with the other developers. It gets created when you use the "Upload message" box on the web interface. It's intended to be a backup so that you can rebuild the database when needed, although the comments in the code where it gets created indicate that it was designed as a temporary measure (and that a better solution would be adding the messages to a cache of trained messages). I think the solutions that would most fit with the current state of things are either: (a) Have the two files (one ham, one spam) created in the same directory that the (last) configuration file is located in - this is where other files and the cache directories end up by default. (b) Have messages added with the 'upload' facility split into separate messages with appropriate filenames and added to the ham/spam cache directories (where they will be automatically expired like ones trained with the review page). IMO, (b) is the better solution, but (a) is the simpler (would take a couple of minutes to do) solution. I'll try and remember to take a look at this sometime next week when I have time - if you want, you could open a bug report and assign it to me. In any case, you can delete the file and suffer no ill effects, and it won't recreate unless you use the upload box again (which you probably only did for initial training). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 16 01:02:26 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 16 01:02:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Web Interface?? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E11A80@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C61@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > 1024 x 768. I think the problem is that I am using Netscape > 4.79, which doesn't have much support for CSS. I've opened the > page in Firefox and it lays out much better. I've got Netscape 4 on other machine and took a look at it there and you're right: it looks terrible and hardly fits. I'll try and have a play around with it and see if I can get it looking & functioning better without sacrificing anything for those with more recent browsers. Netscape 4 is pretty old now, but (at least here in New Zealand) is still widely used. > Is it possible to have Spambayes pages open in Firefox or any browser > other than the one your email is integrated with? Well, you can type "http://localhost:8880" into the other browser's address bar, but using the launch_browser option, the -b switch, or the tray application's menu items will always use the computer's default browser. > Since I can leave those in there would be no need for me to edit the > mssg in the box. So no need to change the size. Problem resolved. Great :) > > At the top of all pages, or just some? Something like > > "Home Configuration Statistics Review Help" (where each > > word is a link) at the top of each page? I can see something > > like this might be useful. > > Yes, exactly like that. Plus a link to SpamBayes > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ On all pages. I'll try and remember to give this a go sometime soon and see what it looks like. > I didn't mean to imply I wanted a Netscape toolbar, just that parts of > the toolbar sounded like the web interface that I was trying to > describe. A web interface header that includes those links would > probably do the job just fine. The Outlook toolbar is quite different. The toolbar itself just has a "delete as spam" button and/or a "recover from spam" button (depending on which folder is currently displayed) and a SpamBayes button that drops down a menu (to view clues for the current message, go to the manager dialog, get help, and check for a new version). Given that the lack of tight integration makes the "delete as"/"recover from" buttons impossible, the windows tray app is fairly close to the toolbar. Inside the manager dialog is where all the configuration options are - and these are separated by tabs at the top (which is probably what what sounded like what you described). Anyway, it sounds like a reasonable thing to investigate, so I'll get to it at some point (assuming someone else doesn't first). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 16 01:09:44 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 16 01:09:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E92395@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C64@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Well, through a bunch of experimentation and fiddling, I > found out that the problem was not with SpamBayes at all (no > surprise to you !!). I had installed a new VPN client from > Cisco and as a default it installs with a stateful packet > firewall in the "always on" position. Unchecking that box > completely cleared up my problem with SB............ > > I want to thank you for trying to help me out.....especially > with a freeware product. In fact, your attention to my > problems is what caused me to bother to send this explanation > to you for your information files. Thanks for doing that - it really does help to know that problems have been sorted out, (and how, in case we get this again). Glad to hear that it's all working again (I did have your other email sitting there, waiting for me to figure out what else to try, but now I don't need to :) Be sure to let us (spambayes@python.org) know if you have any troubles in the future. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 16 01:19:15 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 16 01:21:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Unifying databases In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E925A8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BA2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > My question is how do I tell spambayes to use a spam database > on the server rather than the local machine, so that spam I > zap on any machine gets incorporated into a central database? [How to do this is explained in the Configuration Guide that is installed with SpamBayes (it should probably be in the FAQ, too). SpamBayes->Help->About SpamBayes->Configuration Guide and it's down the bottom.] You have to manually add a configuration file to each machine. Create a new file called "default_configuration.ini" in either the SpamBayes Data directory (FAQ explains how to find that) or the directory that SpamBayes is installed into (actually, I think it's the "bin" directory inside of that one). It shouldn't matter which of these you pick. Put this (less the """'s) into that file: """ [General] data_directory:\\server\path\to\directory """ That should be all it takes, and it'll now use the directory you've specified as the Data directory (for the two databases and any further configuration file). You may wish to copy the files from the old directory into the new one. Note that if you have to have a separate configuration for each machine (say the folders to move messages to/from are different) this is somewhat more tricky - you'll have to copy the appropriate settings out of the [profilename].ini or Outlook.ini file into the default_configuration.ini for each machine (and then, probably, not use the GUI for configuration). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From peterparslow at onetel.net.uk Fri Apr 16 03:02:48 2004 From: peterparslow at onetel.net.uk (Peter Parslow) Date: Fri Apr 16 03:02:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] getting started In-Reply-To: References: <407F0E90.26290.21C3CB@localhost> Message-ID: <407F9328.20731.1D6DD7@localhost> Fran?ois, Toni Meyer, Thank you for your suggestions - by giving up & trying again the next morning it seems alright - I guess one of the programs hadn't really accepted what I set yesterday. It took me a while longer to realise that I need to tell my client which ports on the proxy to use for which servers, but now I'm up & running. Still not sure I like the idea of pulling all the spam through to my client before deciding whether to delete it. I'm trialling against MailWasher Pro; I'll have to decide whether to pay for the privilege of just filtering on the headers. Peter Date sent: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:48:46 +0200 Subject: Re: [Spambayes] getting started From: Fran?ois Granger To: Le 15/04/04 23:37, ??Peter Parslow?? a ?crit?: > Not surprising, I suppose, as I can't see anywhere that I can tell > spambayes what user name & password to provide. From the lack of > instructions, I'd assume that it somehow passes through the > username/password provided by my email client This is right. >, but that doesn't seem to happen. > > I'm using Pegasus Mail v4.02 over Windows XP Home. Try resetting it in Pegasus ? From simon.cahuk at uni-mb.si Fri Apr 16 03:49:55 2004 From: simon.cahuk at uni-mb.si (Simon Cahuk) Date: Fri Apr 16 03:46:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem Message-ID: <200404160949.55153.simon.cahuk@uni-mb.si> Hi! I'm using spambayes-1.0b1 on Linux, Debian unstable. I'm using sb_filter.py in kmail. My problem: when I pipe a message through sb_filter.py, it doesn't add the x-spambayes header to the message. Even if try to pipe a single message with sb_filter.py < message I get: sb_filter.py < Mail/inbox/cur/1081596149.10684.oOo1Z:2,S Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py", line 256, in ? main() File "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py", line 248, in main action(msg) File "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py", line 180, in filter return self.h.filter(msg) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 109, in filt er prob, clues = self._scoremsg(msg, True) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 38, in _scor emsg return self.bayes.spamprob(tokenize(msg), evidence) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 190, in chi2_spamprob clues = self._getclues(wordstream) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 493, in _getclues tup = self._worddistanceget(word) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 508, in _worddistanceget prob = self.probability(record) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 308, in probability assert hamcount <= nham AssertionError Any thoughts? Simon From apt at ahfund.org.uk Fri Apr 16 04:49:04 2004 From: apt at ahfund.org.uk (admin.apt) Date: Fri Apr 16 04:49:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Out of Office AutoReply: Mail Delivery (failure apt@ahfund.org.uk) Message-ID: Thank you for your email. I am out of the office until Monday 19 April, but your email has been forwarded to me and I shall respond as soon as possible. Regards, Nicky From amychung at singnet.com.sg Fri Apr 16 05:08:08 2004 From: amychung at singnet.com.sg (A. Chung) Date: Fri Apr 16 05:08:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Message-ID: Dear Sirs I wonder if the downloaded SpamBayes v1.0a9 (binary version) has been currently installed into my PC equipped with Windows XP (home edition), though its version 1.09 is clearly indicated on the Control Panel. The point is that, when I am checking SpamBayes for its new version, the pop-up message shows "the latest available version is SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary Version 0.81 (September 9, 2003). No later version is available". Puzzled! Will you please advise if this is a bug on the program? Meanwhile, I failed to auto-archive those expired junk mail by Outlook and remove them from "Junk Mail" (Spam) folder periodically as laid down on item 3.9 of SpamBayes FAQ (version 1.64 of February 19, 2004). Appreciate if you will let me have your technical advice too. Faithfully Andrew Chung From LUC.GERAETS at TRACTEBEL.COM Fri Apr 16 05:21:41 2004 From: LUC.GERAETS at TRACTEBEL.COM (LUC.GERAETS@TRACTEBEL.COM) Date: Fri Apr 16 05:22:01 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes installation Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Fri Apr 16 06:00:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: lauching Spambayes on Mac OS 9 Message-ID: Thank you, it works better that way ;) Thibault >From: "Tony Meyer" >To: "'Thibault'" , >CC: >Subject: RE: lauching Spambayes on Mac OS 9 >Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:28:08 +1200 > >[FWIW, you'd be better off asking SpamBayes questions in the SpamBayes list >- spambayes@python.org] > > > I've installed the latest version of python for mac os 9. > > But now the spambayes indicates that i have to run python > > setup.py and then run python scripts/sb_server.py...and > > that's the problem! i can't figure out how to run these commands! > >I believe that when you installed Python you ended up with an application >called "PythonLauncher", yes? If you option-drag the setup.py script to >this you should be offered ways that you can launch the script. You want >to >pass it a command line argument "install". > >Once that's done, I believe you can simply double-click sb_server.py to run >it (it doesn't need any command-line arguments). Then go to > and you should see the main web interface page. > >=Tony Meyer > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail : un compte GRATUIT qui vous suit partout et tout le temps ! http://g.msn.fr/FR1000/9493 From david.lang at digitalinsight.com Fri Apr 16 06:20:50 2004 From: david.lang at digitalinsight.com (David Lang) Date: Fri Apr 16 06:21:07 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] IMAP filtering Message-ID: I'm not currently on the list so please CC me ina reply. I'm currently looking for a spam filtering tool that I can use in my work environment (exchange server, but linux client so not outlook) and I find that your project almost fits my needs, but not quite so I'm pointing out the difference to see if it is something that were considered and rejected or not tried yet. According to the README the current IMAP filter keeps track of what messages it has already classified by deleteing the message and re-posting the same message, but with a header added to it. This will not work for me for a couple reasons. 1. do to some unknown configuration bug in the exchange server attachments from other exchange users cannot be read via IMAP or POP3 (attachments sent via SMTP can be read) so deleteing and re-posting these messages would have the effect of stripping the attachments from them 2. I am extremely nervous about deleting, modifying, and re-posting messages that exchange uses for special purposes (calander scheduling messages are a prime example), while they show up as mail messages, they really are slightly different the fix that I am thinking of to resolve this would be to change how the IMAP filter tracks the messges it has processed. Instead of modifying the message itself if the filter tracked the highest message number that it has processed it can process only messages newer then that (the IMAP message ID is supposed to grow larger with time). As an additional optimization, instead of running every x min as it currently does the filter could register itself with the server for specific mailboxes and have the server notify it when new mail has arrived and process it immediatly (this also can produce less server load and network traffic then frequent polling for new messages, a win for both load and responsivness) are these changes that have been considered or are they something that could be integrated? David Lang -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan From david.lang at digitalinsight.com Fri Apr 16 06:30:41 2004 From: david.lang at digitalinsight.com (David Lang) Date: Fri Apr 16 06:30:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] IMAP filtering Message-ID: I'm not currently on the list so please CC me ina reply. I'm currently looking for a spam filtering tool that I can use in my work environment (exchange server, but linux client so not outlook) and I find that your project almost fits my needs, but not quite so I'm pointing out the difference to see if it is something that were considered and rejected or not tried yet. According to the README the current IMAP filter keeps track of what messages it has already classified by deleteing the message and re-posting the same message, but with a header added to it. This will not work for me for a couple reasons. 1. do to some unknown configuration bug in the exchange server attachments from other exchange users cannot be read via IMAP or POP3 (attachments sent via SMTP can be read) so deleteing and re-posting these messages would have the effect of stripping the attachments from them 2. I am extremely nervous about deleting, modifying, and re-posting messages that exchange uses for special purposes (calander scheduling messages are a prime example), while they show up as mail messages, they really are slightly different the fix that I am thinking of to resolve this would be to change how the IMAP filter tracks the messges it has processed. Instead of modifying the message itself if the filter tracked the highest message number that it has processed it can process only messages newer then that (the IMAP message ID is supposed to grow larger with time). As an additional optimization, instead of running every x min as it currently does the filter could register itself with the server for specific mailboxes and have the server notify it when new mail has arrived and process it immediatly (this also can produce less server load and network traffic then frequent polling for new messages, a win for both load and responsivness) are these changes that have been considered or are they something that could be integrated? David Lang -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan From skip at pobox.com Fri Apr 16 07:15:21 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri Apr 16 07:15:31 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem In-Reply-To: <200404160949.55153.simon.cahuk@uni-mb.si> References: <200404160949.55153.simon.cahuk@uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <16511.49225.662449.548791@montanaro.dyndns.org> Simon> Even if try to pipe a single message with sb_filter.py < message Simon> I get: ... Simon> assert hamcount <= nham Simon> AssertionError This is the sign of a corrupt database. You need to retrain from scratch. Hopefully you saved your ham and spam used to train in the first place. Make sure you don't have multiple processes updating the database. Skip From fgranger at altern.org Fri Apr 16 08:08:50 2004 From: fgranger at altern.org (Fran=?ISO-8859-1?B?5w==?=ois Granger) Date: Fri Apr 16 08:08:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: lauching Spambayes on Mac OS 9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> From: "Tony Meyer" >> >>> I've installed the latest version of python for mac os 9. >>> But now the spambayes indicates that i have to run python >>> setup.py and then run python scripts/sb_server.py...and >>> that's the problem! i can't figure out how to run these commands! >> >> I believe that when you installed Python you ended up with an application >> called "PythonLauncher", yes? If you option-drag the setup.py script to >> this you should be offered ways that you can launch the script. You want >> to >> pass it a command line argument "install". >> >> Once that's done, I believe you can simply double-click sb_server.py to run >> it (it doesn't need any command-line arguments). Then go to >> and you should see the main web interface page. Le 16/04/04 12:00, ??Thibault P.?? a ?crit?: > Thank you, it works better that way ;) I had it running on MacOS9 long time ago. Th main issue was the inefficiency of the multitasking between SpamBayes and my mail reader. There was also an issue with using the default Internet Explorer. At that time, Using iCab or any other web browser solved the problem. From cfcl04774 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Apr 16 08:20:35 2004 From: cfcl04774 at blueyonder.co.uk (chris) Date: Fri Apr 16 08:20:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] hi, spam Message-ID: <000201c423ad$38a72910$0200a8c0@enterprise> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040416/2de0e3b7/attachment-0001.html From cbrake at accelent.com Fri Apr 16 08:44:14 2004 From: cbrake at accelent.com (Cliff Brake) Date: Fri Apr 16 08:44:34 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] uncaptured python exception Message-ID: <200404160844.14411.cbrake@accelent.com> Spambayes has been working great for me, except it always eventually gets to the point where I can't do any more training using the proxy. Has anyone seen the following error? I am willing to do some debugging, but it would help if someone can point me in the right direction. Running the spambayes proxy on Fedora Core1. Thanks, Cliff error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel (exceptions.NameError:global name 'message_from_string' is not defined [/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py|poll|100] [/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py|handle_read_event|397] [/usr/lib/python2.2/asynchat.py|handle_read|130] [/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/smtpproxy.py|found_terminator|214] [/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/smtpproxy.py|onProcessData|310] [/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/smtpproxy.py|train|406] [/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/smtpproxy.py|extractSpambayesID|361]) From simon.cahuk at uni-mb.si Fri Apr 16 09:35:04 2004 From: simon.cahuk at uni-mb.si (Simon Cahuk) Date: Fri Apr 16 09:31:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem In-Reply-To: <16511.49225.662449.548791@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <200404160949.55153.simon.cahuk@uni-mb.si> <16511.49225.662449.548791@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200404161535.04150.simon.cahuk@uni-mb.si> On Friday 16 of April 2004 13:15, Skip Montanaro wrote: > Simon> Even if try to pipe a single message with sb_filter.py < message > Simon> I get: > > ... > > Simon> assert hamcount <= nham > Simon> AssertionError > > This is the sign of a corrupt database. You need to retrain from scratch. > Hopefully you saved your ham and spam used to train in the first place. > > Make sure you don't have multiple processes updating the database. > > Skip When I train ham from maildir, I get this: sb_mboxtrain.py -g Mail/inbox/ Training ham (Mail/inbox/): Reading Mail/inbox/cur as Maildir 90Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 350, in ? main() File "/usr/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 335, in main train(h, g, False, force, trainnew, removetrained) File "/usr/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 268, in train removetrained) File "/usr/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 141, in maildir_train if not msg_train(h, msg, is_spam, force): File "/usr/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 105, in msg_train h.untrain(msg, not is_spam) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 178, in untr ain self.bayes.unlearn(tokenize(msg), is_spam) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 284, in unlearn self._remove_msg(wordstream, is_spam) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 392, in _remove_msg raise ValueError("spam count would go negative!") ValueError: spam count would go negative! The database seems to be corrupted now. But before that I trained spambayes from mbox and ran sb_filter.py (in kmail with filters) and got the x-spambayes headers in the messages. So training from maildir doesn't work correct. Or I missed something? I train maildir with sb_mboxtrain.py -g Mail/inbox (inbox maildir, not mbox). Simon From MAILsweeper at vwg.co.uk Fri Apr 16 11:12:05 2004 From: MAILsweeper at vwg.co.uk (MAILsweeper@vwg.co.uk) Date: Fri Apr 16 10:13:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Your message contained a virus Message-ID: Your message entitled Re: Free porn contained a virus and has been blocked. The message was sent to will.pettit@vwcv.co.uk For more information contact postmaster@vwg.co.uk From michael at kimballpottery.com Fri Apr 16 10:13:23 2004 From: michael at kimballpottery.com (Michael Kimball) Date: Fri Apr 16 10:14:33 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Web Interface?? References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C61@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <407FEA03.9A16536@kimballpottery.com> Tony Meyer wrote: > > > 1024 x 768. I think the problem is that I am using Netscape > > 4.79, which doesn't have much support for CSS. I've opened the > > page in Firefox and it lays out much better. > > I've got Netscape 4 on other machine and took a look at it there and you're > right: it looks terrible and hardly fits. I'll try and have a play around > with it and see if I can get it looking & functioning better without > sacrificing anything for those with more recent browsers. Netscape 4 is > pretty old now, but (at least here in New Zealand) is still widely used. > > > Is it possible to have Spambayes pages open in Firefox or any browser > > other than the one your email is integrated with? > > Well, you can type "http://localhost:8880" into the other browser's address > bar, but using the launch_browser option, the -b switch, or the tray > application's menu items will always use the computer's default browser. Heh, heh, oops. I tried to find and edit a config file that would let me use something like '-b (path)/firefox.exe' but everything is a .pye and I know zip (or is that rar?) about php. I can make a shortcut that opens firefox on the localhost:8880/home page and maybe I can find a way to put it on the tray beside the SpamBayes tray icon > > > Since I can leave those in there would be no need for me to edit the > > mssg in the box. So no need to change the size. Problem resolved. > > Great :) > > > > At the top of all pages, or just some? Something like > > > "Home Configuration Statistics Review Help" (where each > > > word is a link) at the top of each page? I can see something > > > like this might be useful. > > > > Yes, exactly like that. Plus a link to SpamBayes > > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ On all pages. Oops. You do already have the link to spambayes on all pages. At the bottom. > > I'll try and remember to give this a go sometime soon and see what it looks > like. > > > I didn't mean to imply I wanted a Netscape toolbar, just that parts of > > the toolbar sounded like the web interface that I was trying to > > describe. A web interface header that includes those links would > > probably do the job just fine. > > The Outlook toolbar is quite different. The toolbar itself just has a > "delete as spam" button and/or a "recover from spam" button (depending on > which folder is currently displayed) and a SpamBayes button that drops down > a menu (to view clues for the current message, go to the manager dialog, get > help, and check for a new version). Given that the lack of tight > integration makes the "delete as"/"recover from" buttons impossible, the > windows tray app is fairly close to the toolbar. > > Inside the manager dialog is where all the configuration options are - and > these are separated by tabs at the top (which is probably what what sounded > like what you described). > > Anyway, it sounds like a reasonable thing to investigate, so I'll get to it > at some point (assuming someone else doesn't first). > > =Tony Meyer > > --- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This > way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Fri Apr 16 10:19:08 2004 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Fri Apr 16 10:19:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Using dialup up modem is tooooo slow Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5022C29D@SPIKE.city> Make sure your spam folder is NOT on the Exchange Server. (Create a new local .pst file if you don't already have one.) Once Spambayes has established that a message is spam, you want to deal with it locally. Sending it back to the Exchange Server takes extra time, especially over a slow line. Bob MIS Department, City of Cambridge 831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139 ? 617-349-4217 ? fax 617-349-6165 > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Tony Meyer > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:17 PM > To: 'Peter Terrett' > Cc: spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Using dialup up modem is tooooo slow > > > > Thank you for your response. I am using the Outlook plug in > > and our system at the company is Exchange Server. It appears > > to take a little while to process each email then when you > > move them to either the Junk or Inbox folder it has to learn more. > > > > I will look at the advance options. > > Ah, what I didn't figure on was that this is connecting to an Exchange > server over a dialup. In that case, you would have to be connected, because > the messages won't be able to be moved unless you are. > > In this case, *disabling* the "background filtering" option in the Advanced > tab might give the best results. The main reason for this option (which > puts a little delay between the message arriving and it being filtered) is > so that rules can be run on messages before SpamBayes gets hold of them > (otherwise sometimes SpamBayes gets the message first, and sometimes the > rules get the message first; this way is consistent). With an Exchange > server (almost all) rules are run on the server anyway, so you don't really > need the delay. > > If turning off "background filtering" doesn't help, then it really might be > that it's too slow. The uninstall should work, anyway (with the additional > manual deletion of the SpamBayes toolbar). > > =Tony Meyer From skip at pobox.com Fri Apr 16 10:24:05 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri Apr 16 10:24:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem In-Reply-To: <200404161535.04150.simon.cahuk@uni-mb.si> References: <200404160949.55153.simon.cahuk@uni-mb.si> <16511.49225.662449.548791@montanaro.dyndns.org> <200404161535.04150.simon.cahuk@uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <16511.60549.438416.468268@montanaro.dyndns.org> Simon> When I train ham from maildir, I get this: ... Simon> raise ValueError("spam count would go negative!") Simon> ValueError: spam count would go negative! Simon> The database seems to be corrupted now. Did you delete the database before running sb_mboxtrain.py? Skip From simon.cahuk at uni-mb.si Fri Apr 16 10:52:24 2004 From: simon.cahuk at uni-mb.si (Simon Cahuk) Date: Fri Apr 16 10:48:57 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem In-Reply-To: <16511.60549.438416.468268@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <200404160949.55153.simon.cahuk@uni-mb.si> <200404161535.04150.simon.cahuk@uni-mb.si> <16511.60549.438416.468268@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200404161652.24011.simon.cahuk@uni-mb.si> On Friday 16 of April 2004 16:24, Skip Montanaro wrote: > Simon> When I train ham from maildir, I get this: > > ... > > Simon> raise ValueError("spam count would go negative!") > Simon> ValueError: spam count would go negative! > > Simon> The database seems to be corrupted now. > > Did you delete the database before running sb_mboxtrain.py? > > Skip Yes, I did. Then I ran sb_filter -n and ran sb_mboxtrain.py to train my maildir, the same error. Then I ran sb_mboxtrain.py without sb_filter -n (mboxtrain did create the datbase) and the same error again. I switched now to mbox. Simon From skip at pobox.com Fri Apr 16 11:05:53 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri Apr 16 11:06:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem In-Reply-To: <200404161652.24011.simon.cahuk@uni-mb.si> References: <200404160949.55153.simon.cahuk@uni-mb.si> <200404161535.04150.simon.cahuk@uni-mb.si> <16511.60549.438416.468268@montanaro.dyndns.org> <200404161652.24011.simon.cahuk@uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <16511.63057.998292.703229@montanaro.dyndns.org> Simon> The database seems to be corrupted now. Skip> Did you delete the database before running sb_mboxtrain.py? Simon> Yes, I did. Then I ran sb_filter -n and ran sb_mboxtrain.py to Simon> train my maildir, the same error. Then I ran sb_mboxtrain.py Simon> without sb_filter -n (mboxtrain did create the datbase) and the Simon> same error again. Simon> I switched now to mbox. Does that seem to be working? I don't know how much exercise the non-mbox code gets these days. Skip From rmalayter at bai.org Fri Apr 16 11:16:41 2004 From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter) Date: Fri Apr 16 11:16:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Using dialup up modem is tooooo slow Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A021C901E@cliff.bai.org> [Bob Coe] >Make sure your spam folder is NOT on the Exchange Server. >(Create a new local .pst file if you don't already have one.) >Once Spambayes has established that a message is spam, you >want to deal with it locally. Sending it back to the Exchange >Server takes extra time, especially over a slow line. If you have Outlook 2003, the new "cached mode" for Exchange servers works very well and eliminates this problem. All read/write activity is done on a local, fully-synced copy of the Exchange mailbox, and changes are propagated back to the Exchange server as bandwidth allows. It's enormously better than the old "offline folders" sync mode in earlier versions of Outlook. We even use cached mode on our LAN, and it has reduced the load on our Exchange server by 60%, since so much more processing and I/O happen on the desktop machines instead of the server. Regards, Ryan -- All problems can be solved by diplomacy, but violence and treachery are equally effective, and more fun. -Anonymous From delta at d-9.net Fri Apr 16 11:21:26 2004 From: delta at d-9.net (Delta-9) Date: Fri Apr 16 11:21:31 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes error Message-ID: OS:Windows XP Version: SpamBayes 1.0a9 Outlook 2000 SR1 SpamBayes was working fine until I tried to "upgrade" to the latest version. I don't recall what version I was using before. The error I am getting is in the middle of the logfile, just about the traceback line: ERROR: 'There was an error initializing the Spam plugin.\r\n\r\nSpam filtering has been disabled. Please re-configure\r\nand re-enable this plugin\r\n\r\nError details:\r\nCould not watch the specified folders' Thanks. Jon -------------- next part -------------- Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db' Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db' Bayes database initialized with 50 spam and 22 good messages SpamBayes Outlook Addin Binary Version 0.9 (February 2004) starting (with engine SpamBayes Engine Version 0.3 (January 2004)) on Windows 5.1.2600 (Service Pack 1) using Python 2.3.2+ (#49, Oct 23 2003, 15:50:06) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] ERROR: 'There was an error initializing the Spam plugin.\r\n\r\nSpam filtering has been disabled. Please re-configure\r\nand re-enable this plugin\r\n\r\nError details:\r\nCould not watch the specified folders' Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.pyc", line 1304, in FiltersChanged File "addin.pyc", line 1330, in UpdateFolderHooks File "addin.pyc", line 1358, in _HookFolderEvents File "msgstore.pyc", line 501, in GetFQName File "msgstore.pyc", line 547, in GetParent File "msgstore.pyc", line 530, in _FolderFromMAPIFolder com_error: (-2147024891, 'Access is denied.', None, None) Skipping processing of missed messages in folder 'Inbox', as it is not available Skipping processing of missed messages in folder 'Inbox', as it is not available Skipping processing of missed messages in folder 'Inbox', as it is not available Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\jspreha\Application Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini ERROR: 'Could not watch the specified folders' Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.pyc", line 1304, in FiltersChanged File "addin.pyc", line 1330, in UpdateFolderHooks File "addin.pyc", line 1358, in _HookFolderEvents File "msgstore.pyc", line 501, in GetFQName File "msgstore.pyc", line 547, in GetParent File "msgstore.pyc", line 530, in _FolderFromMAPIFolder com_error: (-2147024891, 'Access is denied.', None, None) From papaDoc at videotron.ca Fri Apr 16 11:27:41 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Fri Apr 16 11:28:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Cannot connect to socket with sb_bnserver.py In-Reply-To: <16511.22680.232923.682139@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <1080424390.4065.24.camel@porsche.hq.simlog.com> <200403290812.15965.tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com> <1081387657.10006.15.camel@porsche> <1082085570.3293.4.camel@porsche> <16511.22680.232923.682139@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <407FFB6D.8080700@videotron.ca> Hi Skip, >Nope. 111 is the socket error message. I don't think the telnet trick will >work since sb_bnserver.py opens a unix domain socket. > > I think I should read a little bit on socket >sb_bnfilter.py works like a champ for me. Are you using the latest versions >of each (1.1 of both in the scripts directory)? How do you have >sb_bnfilter.py configured to run from your .procmailrc file? > > I'm not there yet. I'm not running it from my procmail since I'm still testing it. I'm using the cvs version downloaded the 2004.04.15. >I don't know if this will help, but I did run into one problem. When >running sb_bnfilter.py from my .procmailrc file sb_bnserver.py was aborting >because a different version of the Python interpreter (/usr/bin/python I >think) was being used to run it (no spambayes directory in site-packages). >The PATH procmail sees is pretty basic. Even if I explicitly specified >sb_bnfilter.py like this: > > SCORE=$HOME/local/bin/sb_bnfilter.py > > I was in the spambayes/script directory when I was trying to run sb_bnfilter.py. >sb_bnserver.py was run with /usr/bin/python. The solution was to prepend >$HOME/local/bin to my PATH early in my .procmailrc file: > > PATH=$HOME/local/bin:$PATH > > I add the path to python to PATH and also the path to sb_bnfilter.py, sb_bnserver.py and I still get the same error. Where can I find the information for the error code 111 ?? Remi >That would certainly explain why sb_bnfilter.py has nothing to connect to. > >Skip > > > > -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Email From skip at pobox.com Fri Apr 16 12:08:43 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri Apr 16 12:08:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Cannot connect to socket with sb_bnserver.py In-Reply-To: <407FFB6D.8080700@videotron.ca> References: <1080424390.4065.24.camel@porsche.hq.simlog.com> <200403290812.15965.tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com> <1081387657.10006.15.camel@porsche> <1082085570.3293.4.camel@porsche> <16511.22680.232923.682139@montanaro.dyndns.org> <407FFB6D.8080700@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <16512.1291.806216.661316@montanaro.dyndns.org> Remi> I was in the spambayes/script directory when I was trying to run Remi> sb_bnfilter.py. >> sb_bnserver.py was run with /usr/bin/python. The solution was to >> prepend $HOME/local/bin to my PATH early in my .procmailrc file: >> >> PATH=$HOME/local/bin:$PATH Remi> I add the path to python to PATH and also the path to Remi> sb_bnfilter.py, sb_bnserver.py and I still get the same error. What happens if you run sb_bnserver.py standalone like: sb_bnserver -a 2 /tmp/test-socket ? Does it exit quickly with a traceback or sit there quietly for two seconds before exiting? Remi> Where can I find the information for the error code 111 ?? I'm not sure. I would have thought /usr/include/sys/errno.h, but it's not there in plain site. There's probably a .h file in /usr/include somewhere with a macro defined to that value. You could grep for it (or grep for 6[fF] in case it's defined in hex). Skip From delta at d-9.net Fri Apr 16 13:17:34 2004 From: delta at d-9.net (Delta-9) Date: Fri Apr 16 13:17:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: SpamBayes error Message-ID: Ignore my previous email. I realized there was an updateed version of SpamBayes on the website. I downloaded that and now everything seems to be working again. However, I have erased all my training so now I get to start over, but that really isn't too much a problem. Was that version (1.0a9) a bad build? This version I have now (1.0b1) doesn't exhibit any of the issues that I found with 1.0a9. Thanks. Jon From kennypitt at hotmail.com Fri Apr 16 14:49:17 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Fri Apr 16 14:50:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] hi, spam In-Reply-To: <000201c423ad$38a72910$0200a8c0@enterprise> Message-ID: If SpamBayes identifies a message correctly then it is fine to delete it. It is also safe to delete any messages that you have already trained on using the "Delete as Spam" and "Recover from Spam" buttons. All the information that SpamBayes needs to know about the messages is stored in a separate file. -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces+kennypitt=hotmail.com@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces+kennypitt=hotmail.com@python.org] On Behalf Of chris Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 8:21 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] hi, spam Could u please let me know if I can delete my emails that I send to the spam folder or does the program need them there to learn the filter, so the program knows whats spam for the future, thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040416/a176f4f9/attachment.html From sealyschoolers at att.net Fri Apr 16 15:09:57 2004 From: sealyschoolers at att.net (Frederick Farley) Date: Fri Apr 16 15:06:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] E*n1arging, s-trengthening and developing your P_ENIS n'atura1ly Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040416/dd26cfd3/attachment.html From papaDoc at videotron.ca Fri Apr 16 17:00:53 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Fri Apr 16 17:01:21 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Cannot connect to socket with sb_bnserver.py In-Reply-To: <16512.1291.806216.661316@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <1080424390.4065.24.camel@porsche.hq.simlog.com> <200403290812.15965.tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com> <1081387657.10006.15.camel@porsche> <1082085570.3293.4.camel@porsche> <16511.22680.232923.682139@montanaro.dyndns.org> <407FFB6D.8080700@videotron.ca> <16512.1291.806216.661316@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <40804985.8060709@videotron.ca> Hi Skip, >What happens if you run sb_bnserver.py standalone like: > > sb_bnserver -a 2 /tmp/test-socket > >? Does it exit quickly with a traceback or sit there quietly for two >seconds before exiting? > > it sit there for 16sec and exit without any traceback (This is running on a 486 at +/- 72% or CPU load) > Remi> Where can I find the information for the error code 111 ?? >I'm not sure. I would have thought /usr/include/sys/errno.h, but it's not >there in plain site. There's probably a .h file in /usr/include somewhere >with a macro defined to that value. You could grep for it (or grep for >6[fF] in case it's defined in hex). > > I found this: "As an example, the Connection refused error exception is assigned the number 111 under Linux, but it is 10061 in another popular operating system." I read a little on python socket and usually on connect to a host on a given port not to a file ? Remi -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Email From skip at pobox.com Fri Apr 16 17:46:42 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri Apr 16 17:46:48 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Cannot connect to socket with sb_bnserver.py In-Reply-To: <40804985.8060709@videotron.ca> References: <1080424390.4065.24.camel@porsche.hq.simlog.com> <200403290812.15965.tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com> <1081387657.10006.15.camel@porsche> <1082085570.3293.4.camel@porsche> <16511.22680.232923.682139@montanaro.dyndns.org> <407FFB6D.8080700@videotron.ca> <16512.1291.806216.661316@montanaro.dyndns.org> <40804985.8060709@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <16512.21570.898002.156048@montanaro.dyndns.org> >> What happens if you run sb_bnserver.py standalone like: >> >> sb_bnserver -a 2 /tmp/test-socket >> >> ? Does it exit quickly with a traceback or sit there quietly for two >> seconds before exiting? >> >> Remi> it sit there for 16sec and exit without any traceback (This is Remi> running on a 486 at +/- 72% or CPU load) Hmmm... I'm completely out of ideas. Maybe Toby Tickenson (Toby, are you out there?) has some ideas. Skip From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 16 18:01:08 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 16 18:01:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] uncaptured python exception In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E9289A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C67@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Spambayes has been working great for me, except it always > eventually gets to the point where I can't do any more > training using the proxy. [...] > (exceptions.NameError:global name 'message_from_string' is > not defined This was a bug in 1.0a9 and has since been fixed. If you upgrade to 1.0b1 that should fix the problem. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 16 18:16:31 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 16 18:16:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E9288F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BA4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I wonder if the downloaded SpamBayes v1.0a9 (binary version) > has been currently installed into my PC equipped with Windows > XP (home edition), though its version 1.09 is clearly > indicated on the Control Panel. Believe the control panel over the version check in SpamBayes. > The point is that, when I am checking SpamBayes for its new > version, the pop-up message shows "the latest available > version is SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary Version 0.81 > (September 9, 2003). No later version is available". Puzzled! When did you last try this? The information that the version check uses was updated a little slowly after the 1.0a9 release, so that might account for it, but it shouldn't be the case now. I tried now and got the correct message that "the latest available version is ... 1.0b1 (April, 2004)". > Will you please advise if this is a bug on the program? Not as far as we are aware, but in any case, it would be worth getting 1.0b1 and using that as other problems have been fixed. > Meanwhile, I failed to auto-archive those expired junk mail > by Outlook and remove them from "Junk Mail" (Spam) folder > periodically as laid down on item 3.9 of SpamBayes FAQ > (version 1.64 of February 19, 2004). You don't *have* to autoarchive messages - this is just a suggestion for those people that want to have messages classified as spam get automatically deleted somehow. SpamBayes doesn't care what you do with the junk mail once it's filtered it - you can delete it, kept it, move it somewhere, whatever. Does this make things clearer? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 16 18:47:23 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 16 18:47:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] IMAP filtering In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E92895@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BA5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > 1. do to some unknown configuration bug in the exchange > server attachments from other exchange users cannot be read > via IMAP or POP3 (attachments sent via SMTP can be read) so > deleteing and re-posting these messages > would have the effect of stripping the attachments from them Note that if a message is classified as unsure/spam, then it also gets recreated (IMAP doesn't provide any means to move a message), so you'd lose this information then. I doubt this would matter for true spam, but for false positives or ham unsures, this could be problematic (although note that the original isn't removed, just flagged for deletion). > 2. I am extremely nervous about deleting, modifying, and re-posting > messages that exchange uses for special purposes (calander scheduling > messages are a prime example), while they show up as mail > messages, they really are slightly different With your setup, do these appear in the same folder as mail messages? Here, for example, all my Exchange folders have either mail *or* non-mail, and so I'd just filter those containing mail. If they're scattered through the same folders, though, then this could be a problem. Actually, even without modifying the messages, this would seem to pose a problem, because the filter will try and classify these messages. I have no idea how a scheduling message would be classified, but it's possible that it would be non-ham and end up moving to unsure/spam, which is probably not a good thing. You might have to add some sort of code that identifies these messages and skips them. > the fix that I am thinking of to resolve this would be to > change how the IMAP filter tracks the messges it has processed. This is certainly something that can/should be done at some point. Unfortunately, while the IMAP filter is used by a number of people, there isn't currently anyone who is taking a proactive role in developing it. In fact, there never has been - Tim Stone & I initially wrote it to alleviate the frequent requests for such a filter. I'm happy to maintain it (i.e. fix bugs and do simple improvements), but since I don't actually use it for day-to-day mail, I just can't find the time to take on a more active role with it. I'd certainly be happy to pass the torch on to someone else, but no-one has stepped forward so far. The result is that non-simple changes are unlikely to occur unless we get patches (as I'm hoping you'll offer), and, especially important with IMAP, people testing the changes. I'd also want to hold off checking any patches in until after 1.0 is out, since the current system is working reasonably well (but 1.0 shouldn't be too far off now that we finally have a beta out). > Instead of modifying the message itself if the filter tracked the > highest message number that it has processed it can process only > messages newer then that (the IMAP message ID is supposed to grow > larger with time). This isn't the ideal system, though. The IMAP spec doesn't guarantee that the UID will continue to grow larger with time. At pretty much any point, the server can decide to change the UID to anything it likes, as long as it changes the folder's id at the same time. This could be solved by using some sort of combination of tracking the folder id and UID, but the folder id isn't guaranteed to behave in any reliable fashion, either. AFAICT (and I and other people have gone through the RFC many times) there really isn't any way to get IMAP to produce a unique, constant, id for each message. Of course, any given IMAP server may actually do this, and many do. But some don't, and the idea with the filter is to support as many flavours of IMAP as possible, which means that this isn't the way to go. A similar method is to store a custom flag with the appropriate information (this is really the ideal way to go), except that not all servers support custom flags. For you, I suspect that Exchange does support custom flags (instinct, not knowledge), so this might be a way for you to go. >From past discussion, the best scheme that I've seen so far is: 1. If the message has a Message-Id header, then use that as the id for the message. This should be unique, will certainly be constant, and simple checks indicate that it's present in most messages. 1(a). However, from other work with Exchange, messages from other Exchange users may very well *not* have a Message-ID header if they're still sitting on the server; I'm not sure - all the Exchange work I've done has involved an Outlook client. If they don't, then they might have some sort of Exchange id that would work just as well; it'd be easy enough to check. 2. Otherwise, get a checksum for the message (using one of the routines in the standard library) and use that as the id for the message. This is most likely to be unique (especially if you include the headers, although you could have duplicates), and should be constant (because IMAP doesn't allow message text/headers to be changed). If you are interested in doing this, it might be worth reading through the messages in the spambayes-dev archives that discuss this. Googling for "site:mail.python.org spambayes-dev imap" will get them (there aren't a lot of spambayes-dev messages about the imap filter, so there shouldn't be much else). We'd certainly be interested in a patch. > As an additional optimization, instead of running every x min as it > currently does the filter could register itself with the server for > specific mailboxes and have the server notify it when new > mail has arrived and process it immediatly (this also can produce > less server load and network traffic then frequent polling for new > messages, a win for both load and responsivness) I presume this is something that Exchange lets you do? AFAIK this isn't something that regular IMAP4 can do, otherwise this would indeed be a better way to do it. If a patch to allow this didn't require too much refactoring of the code, I wouldn't have a problem with including this as an option, for those people in your situation. Unless this is something that strict IMAP4 can handle I wouldn't want it in the main distribution under other conditions, though. In any case, there's certainly no reason why you couldn't run a version patched like this yourself. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From david.lang at digitalinsight.com Fri Apr 16 19:18:22 2004 From: david.lang at digitalinsight.com (David Lang) Date: Fri Apr 16 19:18:31 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] IMAP filtering In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BA5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BA5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, Tony Meyer wrote: > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:47:23 +1200 > From: Tony Meyer > To: 'David Lang' , spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] IMAP filtering > > > 1. do to some unknown configuration bug in the exchange > > server attachments from other exchange users cannot be read > > via IMAP or POP3 (attachments sent via SMTP can be read) so > > deleteing and re-posting these messages > > would have the effect of stripping the attachments from them > > Note that if a message is classified as unsure/spam, then it also gets > recreated (IMAP doesn't provide any means to move a message), so you'd lose > this information then. I doubt this would matter for true spam, but for > false positives or ham unsures, this could be problematic (although note > that the original isn't removed, just flagged for deletion). another problem I am currently having is that once in a while a store to IMAP locks up and never completes. IMAP doesn't have a move, but it does have a copy command > > 2. I am extremely nervous about deleting, modifying, and re-posting > > messages that exchange uses for special purposes (calander scheduling > > messages are a prime example), while they show up as mail > > messages, they really are slightly different > > With your setup, do these appear in the same folder as mail messages? Here, > for example, all my Exchange folders have either mail *or* non-mail, and so > I'd just filter those containing mail. If they're scattered through the > same folders, though, then this could be a problem. they all appear in my inbox > Actually, even without modifying the messages, this would seem to pose a > problem, because the filter will try and classify these messages. I have no > idea how a scheduling message would be classified, but it's possible that it > would be non-ham and end up moving to unsure/spam, which is probably not a > good thing. You might have to add some sort of code that identifies these > messages and skips them. I was figuring that they would end up getting trained into being ham (probably by noticing some of the oddball stuff that would cause us problems with moving them) > > the fix that I am thinking of to resolve this would be to > > change how the IMAP filter tracks the messges it has processed. > > This is certainly something that can/should be done at some point. > Unfortunately, while the IMAP filter is used by a number of people, there > isn't currently anyone who is taking a proactive role in developing it. In > fact, there never has been - Tim Stone & I initially wrote it to alleviate > the frequent requests for such a filter. I'm happy to maintain it (i.e. fix > bugs and do simple improvements), but since I don't actually use it for > day-to-day mail, I just can't find the time to take on a more active role > with it. I'd certainly be happy to pass the torch on to someone else, but > no-one has stepped forward so far. > > The result is that non-simple changes are unlikely to occur unless we get > patches (as I'm hoping you'll offer), and, especially important with IMAP, > people testing the changes. I'd also want to hold off checking any patches > in until after 1.0 is out, since the current system is working reasonably > well (but 1.0 shouldn't be too far off now that we finally have a beta out). > > > Instead of modifying the message itself if the filter tracked the > > highest message number that it has processed it can process only > > messages newer then that (the IMAP message ID is supposed to grow > > larger with time). > > This isn't the ideal system, though. The IMAP spec doesn't guarantee that > the UID will continue to grow larger with time. At pretty much any point, > the server can decide to change the UID to anything it likes, as long as it > changes the folder's id at the same time. This could be solved by using > some sort of combination of tracking the folder id and UID, but the folder > id isn't guaranteed to behave in any reliable fashion, either. AFAICT (and > I and other people have gone through the RFC many times) there really isn't > any way to get IMAP to produce a unique, constant, id for each message. > > Of course, any given IMAP server may actually do this, and many do. But > some don't, and the idea with the filter is to support as many flavours of > IMAP as possible, which means that this isn't the way to go. A similar > method is to store a custom flag with the appropriate information (this is > really the ideal way to go), except that not all servers support custom > flags. For you, I suspect that Exchange does support custom flags > (instinct, not knowledge), so this might be a way for you to go. > > From past discussion, the best scheme that I've seen so far is: > > 1. If the message has a Message-Id header, then use that as the id for > the message. This should be unique, will certainly be constant, and simple > checks indicate that it's present in most messages. > > 1(a). However, from other work with Exchange, messages from other > Exchange users may very well *not* have a Message-ID header if they're still > sitting on the server; I'm not sure - all the Exchange work I've done has > involved an Outlook client. If they don't, then they might have some sort > of Exchange id that would work just as well; it'd be easy enough to check. > > 2. Otherwise, get a checksum for the message (using one of the routines > in the standard library) and use that as the id for the message. This is > most likely to be unique (especially if you include the headers, although > you could have duplicates), and should be constant (because IMAP doesn't > allow message text/headers to be changed). > > If you are interested in doing this, it might be worth reading through the > messages in the spambayes-dev archives that discuss this. Googling for > "site:mail.python.org spambayes-dev imap" will get them (there aren't a lot > of spambayes-dev messages about the imap filter, so there shouldn't be much > else). We'd certainly be interested in a patch. thanks for the info, I haven't done much with python yet so I don't know how soon I could do anything, but my need has reached critical status (~500 spams/day in addition to ~500 legit mails/day) so I need to take the time to do _something_ and there aren't many people supporting IMAP at all. > > As an additional optimization, instead of running every x min as it > > currently does the filter could register itself with the server for > > specific mailboxes and have the server notify it when new > > mail has arrived and process it immediatly (this also can produce > > less server load and network traffic then frequent polling for new > > messages, a win for both load and responsivness) > > I presume this is something that Exchange lets you do? AFAIK this isn't > something that regular IMAP4 can do, otherwise this would indeed be a better > way to do it. If a patch to allow this didn't require too much refactoring > of the code, I wouldn't have a problem with including this as an option, for > those people in your situation. Unless this is something that strict IMAP4 > can handle I wouldn't want it in the main distribution under other > conditions, though. In any case, there's certainly no reason why you > couldn't run a version patched like this yourself. hmm, I learned of this while working with Cyrus and I thought it was a standard part of the spec, Ok looking through the RFC it looks like not all servers send this information without prompting. David Lang -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan From readytomove at i-mailnet.com Fri Apr 16 19:23:08 2004 From: readytomove at i-mailnet.com (Stock Report Group) Date: Fri Apr 16 19:23:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (OTCBB: PBOTF)Ready To Move!!! Message-ID: <200404162323.i3GNNAUE018886@mxzilla4.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040416/e6686f08/attachment-0001.html From michael at kimballpottery.com Fri Apr 16 19:28:21 2004 From: michael at kimballpottery.com (Michael Kimball) Date: Fri Apr 16 19:29:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Web Interface?? References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C61@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <40806C15.85A2A191@kimballpottery.com> Tony Meyer wrote: > > > I've got Netscape 4 on other machine and took a look at it there and you're > right: it looks terrible and hardly fits. I'll try and have a play around > with it and see if I can get it looking & functioning better without > sacrificing anything for those with more recent browsers. Netscape 4 is > pretty old now, but (at least here in New Zealand) is still widely used. I tried playing around with this but had little luck. I think SpamBayes, Netscape and Dreamweaver don't play nice together. With SpamBayes open and editing a (copy of) the localhost:8880/home page in Dreamweaver, usually when I went to view my changes in Netscape I got a "Netscape has committed some unfogivable sin and is writing a log to atone for its sins" error message so I wasn't able to test very well. Also when it did work I'd get a page half the (monitor) screen width with the appropriate text in the Status & Config page, but when I maximized the screen that text (and only that text) disappeared and was replaced with a faint grey box about 1/4" square. Resizing the or refreshing the page didn't return the text. Maybe I'll try later without SpamBayes running. Or try some other completely unrelated file to see if it is just NS and/or Dreamweaver misbehaving. I'm not about to call this a bug since periodically my copy of Netscape just goes west for no apparent reason, and comes back on its own. Its quite likely my configuration and not your program. ANYWAY: (and a word of caution - I'm just starting with CSS, so any of my comments may be W A Y off base.) There are a lot of
tags in the page. Are these some tag I don't know, or are they mis-generated
tags? The style .banner has a padding=5 instead of padding: 5px; When I fixed that the blue background color showed. When I added width: 100% the background blue stretched across the page. But I couldn't get the 1px solid black borders to show. Nor could I get the borders to show in any of the other tables. There are also a number of tables with 'id="headedBox"'. I THINK the ids are supposed to be unique. But I don't know how duplicating the id impacts the browser. Do other pages actually use a style '#headedBox'? or any of the id's? If not consider changing 'id=' to 'name='. I don't think 'name' is used in CSS. It is a form of documentation for the coder. e.g. ...rows and cells...
I THINK will display a table according to the styling of '.widetable', modified by the styling of '#fatborders' and 'configtable' is ignored, not a style, but it helps you find errors like too many tags. Apparently CSS/HTML ignores anything following the ''. In this example presumably .widetable would have styling dealing with the width of the table, while #fatborders would deal with the styling of the borders. I don't know what would happen if both dealt with border size or border color. Anyway, maybe whatever generates that page could be altered to deal with the
tags and the padding=5 entry in the .banner style. >From my perspective, none of this is urgent. I have been able to get SpamBayes to open in Firefox so I don't need to rely on the Netscape formatting. Thank you, Mike Kimball From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 16 19:30:34 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 16 19:34:21 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] IMAP filtering In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E92A49@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BA7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > IMAP doesn't have a move, but it does have a copy command True. If the copy command does handle the attachments correctly, then it might be a solution for you. For general usage, we want to add information to mail that is filtered (the other SpamBayes headers, like the score, the clues, and so on), so copy isn't any use. [non mail messages] > I was figuring that they would end up getting trained into > being ham (probably by noticing some of the oddball stuff > that would cause us problems with moving them) I guess testing is the way to check this. > thanks for the info, I haven't done much with python yet so I > don't know how soon I could do anything, but my need has > reached critical status (~500 spams/day in addition to ~500 > legit mails/day) so I need to take the time to do _something_ > and there aren't many people supporting IMAP at all. Well, maybe I could do some of it, or at least start it. Today isn't an option, though (it's Saturday here, and, at least according to my wife, I shouldn't even be at work ), but I could take a look at exactly what needs to be done on Monday. Maybe it's less than I think. It would certainly be easier for me, familiar with the code, to identify what needs to be changed. (And you can use the weekend to learn Python <0.5 wink>). In any case, although I don't have the time/inclination to proactively work on sb_imapfilter, I am more than happy to help anyone else that does want to work on it. I'll see what my schedule next week allows for :) > hmm, I learned of this while working with Cyrus and I thought > it was a standard part of the spec, Ok looking through the > RFC it looks like not all servers send this information > without prompting. Don't even get me started on the flaws of the IMAP spec <0.1 wink>. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 16 19:49:31 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 16 19:49:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Web Interface?? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E92A4E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BA8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [...] > There are a lot of
tags in the page. Are these some tag I don't > know, or are they mis-generated
tags? The version of HTML that SpamBayes uses (and has to use, for various reasons) is XHTML 1.0 (or above), which means that the HTML has to be valid XML. What this means is that every tag needs a closing tag (so for every

there is a

, for example). Older HTML versions don't require this (and a lot of HTML generators don't do it), and browsers generally do the job correctly either way. Empty tags, like br and hr, can either be written

, or abbreviated
. It's just the (now) correct way to write a
tag. > The style .banner has a padding=5 instead of padding: 5px; > When I fixed that the blue background color showed. I believe (but haven't checked) that it should default to px if no unit of measurement is given, but I don't see any reason why we couldn't generate the file with the units explicitly there if it helps. I'll check this change in (in a day or so). Thanks for finding this. > When I added width: 100% the background blue stretched across > the page. I'll check this out, too, thanks. > But I couldn't get the 1px solid black borders to show. > Nor could I get the borders to show in any of the other tables. I'll look into that. > There are also a number of tables with 'id="headedBox"'. I THINK the > ids are supposed to be unique. [...] I'll look into this - I don't think that the ids are required to be unique, but I'm not 100%. The code that puts the pages together dynamically uses the ids to refer to each piece, so it definitely has to be the id attribute and not the name one. > From my perspective, none of this is urgent. I have been able to get > SpamBayes to open in Firefox so I don't need to rely on the Netscape > formatting. Great :) I still think it's worth fixing, but I'm unlikely to have time to look at this until Tuesday. I'll update then. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From david.lang at digitalinsight.com Fri Apr 16 19:51:46 2004 From: david.lang at digitalinsight.com (David Lang) Date: Fri Apr 16 19:52:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] IMAP filtering In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BA7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BA7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, Tony Meyer wrote: > > IMAP doesn't have a move, but it does have a copy command > > True. If the copy command does handle the attachments correctly, then it > might be a solution for you. For general usage, we want to add information > to mail that is filtered (the other SpamBayes headers, like the score, the > clues, and so on), so copy isn't any use. Ok, the origional suggestion was based on the thought that a different mechanism would be used to detect if the mail had already been processed and therefor these modificantions could be eliminated. > [non mail messages] > > I was figuring that they would end up getting trained into > > being ham (probably by noticing some of the oddball stuff > > that would cause us problems with moving them) > > I guess testing is the way to check this. > > > thanks for the info, I haven't done much with python yet so I > > don't know how soon I could do anything, but my need has > > reached critical status (~500 spams/day in addition to ~500 > > legit mails/day) so I need to take the time to do _something_ > > and there aren't many people supporting IMAP at all. > > Well, maybe I could do some of it, or at least start it. Today isn't an > option, though (it's Saturday here, and, at least according to my wife, I > shouldn't even be at work ), but I could take a look at exactly what > needs to be done on Monday. Maybe it's less than I think. It would > certainly be easier for me, familiar with the code, to identify what needs > to be changed. (And you can use the weekend to learn Python <0.5 wink>). I've actually taken an intro to python class, but without actually DOING anything with it it will be a slow start > In any case, although I don't have the time/inclination to proactively work > on sb_imapfilter, I am more than happy to help anyone else that does want to > work on it. I'll see what my schedule next week allows for :) let me take a look at things and poke at exchange with IMAP commands to see what the options are (and I'll probably setup a cyrus server at home, been meaning to do that for a while anyway) > > hmm, I learned of this while working with Cyrus and I thought > > it was a standard part of the spec, Ok looking through the > > RFC it looks like not all servers send this information > > without prompting. > > Don't even get me started on the flaws of the IMAP spec <0.1 wink>. one of the best things that can be said for IMAP is that it's worlds better then POP, but it's definantly not without it's flaws. David Lang > =Tony Meyer > > --- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This > way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. > -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 16 19:52:58 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 16 19:53:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: SpamBayes error In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E928A9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C70@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Was that version (1.0a9) a bad build? This version I have > now (1.0b1) doesn't exhibit any of the issues that I found > with 1.0a9. As far as we know, the only new problem with 1.0a9 was with people that have ActiveState's ActivePython installed; very little else changed with the plug-in between 1.0a9 and 1.0b1. In any case, good that it's now working for you. Be sure to let the list know if you have any further problems. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From david.lang at digitalinsight.com Fri Apr 16 19:54:28 2004 From: david.lang at digitalinsight.com (David Lang) Date: Fri Apr 16 19:54:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] IMAP filtering In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BA7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BA7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, Tony Meyer wrote: > > IMAP doesn't have a move, but it does have a copy command > > True. If the copy command does handle the attachments correctly, then it > might be a solution for you. For general usage, we want to add information > to mail that is filtered (the other SpamBayes headers, like the score, the > clues, and so on), so copy isn't any use. Ok, the origional suggestion was based on the thought that a different mechanism would be used to detect if the mail had already been processed and therefor these modificantions could be eliminated. > [non mail messages] > > I was figuring that they would end up getting trained into > > being ham (probably by noticing some of the oddball stuff > > that would cause us problems with moving them) > > I guess testing is the way to check this. > > > thanks for the info, I haven't done much with python yet so I > > don't know how soon I could do anything, but my need has > > reached critical status (~500 spams/day in addition to ~500 > > legit mails/day) so I need to take the time to do _something_ > > and there aren't many people supporting IMAP at all. > > Well, maybe I could do some of it, or at least start it. Today isn't an > option, though (it's Saturday here, and, at least according to my wife, I > shouldn't even be at work ), but I could take a look at exactly what > needs to be done on Monday. Maybe it's less than I think. It would > certainly be easier for me, familiar with the code, to identify what needs > to be changed. (And you can use the weekend to learn Python <0.5 wink>). I've actually taken an intro to python class, but without actually DOING anything with it it will be a slow start > In any case, although I don't have the time/inclination to proactively work > on sb_imapfilter, I am more than happy to help anyone else that does want to > work on it. I'll see what my schedule next week allows for :) let me take a look at things and poke at exchange with IMAP commands to see what the options are (and I'll probably setup a cyrus server at home, been meaning to do that for a while anyway) > > hmm, I learned of this while working with Cyrus and I thought > > it was a standard part of the spec, Ok looking through the > > RFC it looks like not all servers send this information > > without prompting. > > Don't even get me started on the flaws of the IMAP spec <0.1 wink>. one of the best things that can be said for IMAP is that it's worlds better then POP, but it's definantly not without it's flaws. David Lang > =Tony Meyer > > --- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This > way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. > -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan From Rich at RBarger.com Fri Apr 16 20:17:07 2004 From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR) Date: Fri Apr 16 20:17:48 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Pre-SpamBayes error: I need help with Localhost! Message-ID: <40807783.D69B5020@RBarger.com> In December, and then again in February, I tried to get SpamBayes to work on my system. I received a couple of very friendly, detailed responses from Mark and Tony, but, each time, I finally gave up in frustration. Here's what I keep running into: My system doesn't recognize "localhost" on any browser (IE 6, Netscape 7.1, Netscape 4.79) on any of my four local computers (I only receive email on one of these). I've tried all combinations of http://localhost, http://localhost:8880, http://localhost:8880/home, http://127.0.0.1, http://[my local router address], http://[each computer's name; each computer's address], and the same things without "http," all without success. I have tried Microsoft's unHelpful site and have Googled "netscape localhost" and "localhost:8880" and other similar combinations, and have diligently followed this delightfully helpfully discussion group, but with no success. I use a simple Linksys router and both ZoneAlarm and Norton AntiVirus. I've disabled ZoneAlarm, figuring it is the least standard of the three; no joy. I assume that many users have NAV and a router, and I haven't seen any newsgroup comments about problems with them, so I actually haven't tried removing them from the system. At this point, my frustration level is rising again, and I need help; I assume I need to solve the "localhost" issue before trying the newest version of SpamBayes. I'm confident there is some extremely simpleminded solution to my "no localhost" problem, but, if you have it, please explain it in very, very simple baby steps. Thanks all. Rich Barger From michael at kimballpottery.com Fri Apr 16 22:27:59 2004 From: michael at kimballpottery.com (Michael Kimball) Date: Fri Apr 16 22:28:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Web Interface?? References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BA8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <4080962F.F0850F0@kimballpottery.com> Please see remarks in-line. MK Tony Meyer wrote: > > [...] > > There are a lot of
tags in the page. Are these some tag I don't > > know, or are they mis-generated
tags? > > The version of HTML that SpamBayes uses (and has to use, for various > reasons) is XHTML 1.0 (or above), which means that the HTML has to be valid > XML. What this means is that every tag needs a closing tag (so for every >

there is a

, for example). Older HTML versions don't require this > (and a lot of HTML generators don't do it), and browsers generally do the > job correctly either way. Empty tags, like br and hr, can either be written >

, or abbreviated
. It's just the (now) correct way to write a >
tag. NS 4.79 doesn't seem to act on the
. I'll have to try

. It should break on the first one and ignore the second. I can expect Dreamweaver to flag the
though. > > > The style .banner has a padding=5 instead of padding: 5px; > > When I fixed that the blue background color showed. > > I believe (but haven't checked) that it should default to px if no unit of > measurement is given, but I don't see any reason why we couldn't generate > the file with the units explicitly there if it helps. I'll check this > change in (in a day or so). Thanks for finding this. The point I was trying to make was the use of the equal sign instead of the colon. I think you are right that without any unit of measurement it would default to pixels. > > > When I added width: 100% the background blue stretched across > > the page. > > I'll check this out, too, thanks. > > > But I couldn't get the 1px solid black borders to show. > > Nor could I get the borders to show in any of the other tables. I KNOW I've seen table borders in NS, and I think I've seen them resulting from styles, rather than from within the tag. I'll play with this a bit more. > > I'll look into that. > > > There are also a number of tables with 'id="headedBox"'. I THINK the > > ids are supposed to be unique. > [...] > > I'll look into this - I don't think that the ids are required to be unique, > but I'm not 100%. The code that puts the pages together dynamically uses The more I think about this, the more I think I was recalling someone's personal preference (i.e an 'id' is an 'identity' and you can't have two people with the same identity, so don't have two tables/rows/cells/whatever with identical identities). I don't recall that article even mentioning "name". The same argument would apply to "name". > the ids to refer to each piece, so it definitely has to be the id attribute > and not the name one. > > > From my perspective, none of this is urgent. I have been able to get > > SpamBayes to open in Firefox so I don't need to rely on the Netscape > > formatting. > > Great :) I still think it's worth fixing, but I'm unlikely to have time to > look at this until Tuesday. I'll update then. > > =Tony Meyer > > --- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This > way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From michael at kimballpottery.com Fri Apr 16 22:45:11 2004 From: michael at kimballpottery.com (Michael Kimball) Date: Fri Apr 16 22:45:53 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Pre-SpamBayes error: I need help with Localhost! References: <40807783.D69B5020@RBarger.com> Message-ID: <40809A37.22B9F16A@kimballpottery.com> In Netscape 4.79 type http://localhost:8880 in the location bar. Do you eventually get the error message "Netscape is unable to locate the server localhost:8880. Please check the server name and try again"? This is the message I get if I close SpamBayes down: i.e. there is nothing running on that server/that server isn't running. If you start SpamBayes and configure the POP3 proxy to use your POP3 mail server and port 110, and in Netscape Edit | Preferences | Mail Server, change the pop3 mail server to localhost (and possibly shut Netscape down and restart it?) do you still get nothing? What operating system? Actually, you probably don't have to configure anything. If SpamBayes is running, before it knows what mailserver to use, it is running on localhost:8880, so Netscape should be able to find it there. Hope this helps, MK Richard B Barger ABC APR wrote: > > In December, and then again in February, I tried to get SpamBayes to > work on my system. I received a couple of very friendly, detailed > responses from Mark and Tony, but, each time, I finally gave up in > frustration. > > Here's what I keep running into: My system doesn't recognize > "localhost" on any browser (IE 6, Netscape 7.1, Netscape 4.79) on any of > my four local computers (I only receive email on one of these). > > I've tried all combinations of http://localhost, http://localhost:8880, > http://localhost:8880/home, http://127.0.0.1, http://[my local router > address], http://[each computer's name; each computer's address], and > the same things without "http," all without success. > > I have tried Microsoft's unHelpful site and have Googled "netscape > localhost" and "localhost:8880" and other similar combinations, and have > diligently followed this delightfully helpfully discussion group, but > with no success. > > I use a simple Linksys router and both ZoneAlarm and Norton AntiVirus. > I've disabled ZoneAlarm, figuring it is the least standard of the three; > no joy. I assume that many users have NAV and a router, and I haven't > seen any newsgroup comments about problems with them, so I actually > haven't tried removing them from the system. > > At this point, my frustration level is rising again, and I need help; I > assume I need to solve the "localhost" issue before trying the newest > version of SpamBayes. I'm confident there is some extremely > simpleminded solution to my "no localhost" problem, but, if you have it, > please explain it in very, very simple baby steps. > > Thanks all. > > Rich Barger > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From aryoofle at email.com Fri Apr 16 05:52:42 2004 From: aryoofle at email.com (Sidney Boyd) Date: Fri Apr 16 23:13:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Nebenjob Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040416/6f1dd0d7/attachment.html From vukyheypqtcjp at email.com Sat Apr 17 07:43:46 2004 From: vukyheypqtcjp at email.com (Regina Pritchard) Date: Sat Apr 17 07:44:57 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Better, Faster, Cheaper ! Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040417/07a5b8bd/attachment.html From simon.cahuk at uni-mb.si Sat Apr 17 09:59:44 2004 From: simon.cahuk at uni-mb.si (Simon Cahuk) Date: Sat Apr 17 09:55:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem In-Reply-To: <16511.63057.998292.703229@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <200404160949.55153.simon.cahuk@uni-mb.si> <200404161652.24011.simon.cahuk@uni-mb.si> <16511.63057.998292.703229@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200404171559.44537.simon.cahuk@uni-mb.si> On Friday 16 of April 2004 17:05, Skip Montanaro wrote: > Simon> The database seems to be corrupted now. > > Skip> Did you delete the database before running sb_mboxtrain.py? > > Simon> Yes, I did. Then I ran sb_filter -n and ran sb_mboxtrain.py to > Simon> train my maildir, the same error. Then I ran sb_mboxtrain.py > Simon> without sb_filter -n (mboxtrain did create the datbase) and the > Simon> same error again. > > Simon> I switched now to mbox. > > Does that seem to be working? I don't know how much exercise the non-mbox > code gets these days. > > Skip The problem was in the x-spambayes headers: I have had to run sb_mboxtrain.py -f -g maildir or mbox, so the x-spambayes headers in the trained messages were rewritten. The problem wasn't in maildir or bad database. Thank you all, Simon From adan9 at itsa.ucsf.edu Sat Apr 17 13:45:24 2004 From: adan9 at itsa.ucsf.edu (Alan B.C. Dang) Date: Sat Apr 17 13:45:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion for next version of outlook plugin: Action "Delete spam" Message-ID: <001b01c424a3$c48f4790$bff6da80@opteron> Right now, Spambayes can leave a msg untouched, move, or copy a message. It would be great if there was an option to directly move the spam to the trash (deleted items folder) Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040417/0b76f17c/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Apr 17 20:42:29 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Apr 17 20:42:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion for next version of outlook plugin: Action"Delete spam" In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305E92ADC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C72@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Right now, Spambayes can leave a msg untouched, > move, or copy a message. It would be great if > there was an option to directly move the spam to > the trash (deleted items folder) Please see FAQ 3.11: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From michael at kimballpottery.com Fri Apr 16 10:13:23 2004 From: michael at kimballpottery.com (Michael Kimball) Date: Sat Apr 17 23:17:06 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Web Interface?? References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C61@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <407FEA03.9A16536@kimballpottery.com> Tony Meyer wrote: > > > 1024 x 768. I think the problem is that I am using Netscape > > 4.79, which doesn't have much support for CSS. I've opened the > > page in Firefox and it lays out much better. > > I've got Netscape 4 on other machine and took a look at it there and you're > right: it looks terrible and hardly fits. I'll try and have a play around > with it and see if I can get it looking & functioning better without > sacrificing anything for those with more recent browsers. Netscape 4 is > pretty old now, but (at least here in New Zealand) is still widely used. > > > Is it possible to have Spambayes pages open in Firefox or any browser > > other than the one your email is integrated with? > > Well, you can type "http://localhost:8880" into the other browser's address > bar, but using the launch_browser option, the -b switch, or the tray > application's menu items will always use the computer's default browser. Heh, heh, oops. I tried to find and edit a config file that would let me use something like '-b (path)/firefox.exe' but everything is a .pye and I know zip (or is that rar?) about php. I can make a shortcut that opens firefox on the localhost:8880/home page and maybe I can find a way to put it on the tray beside the SpamBayes tray icon > > > Since I can leave those in there would be no need for me to edit the > > mssg in the box. So no need to change the size. Problem resolved. > > Great :) > > > > At the top of all pages, or just some? Something like > > > "Home Configuration Statistics Review Help" (where each > > > word is a link) at the top of each page? I can see something > > > like this might be useful. > > > > Yes, exactly like that. Plus a link to SpamBayes > > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ On all pages. Oops. You do already have the link to spambayes on all pages. At the bottom. > > I'll try and remember to give this a go sometime soon and see what it looks > like. > > > I didn't mean to imply I wanted a Netscape toolbar, just that parts of > > the toolbar sounded like the web interface that I was trying to > > describe. A web interface header that includes those links would > > probably do the job just fine. > > The Outlook toolbar is quite different. The toolbar itself just has a > "delete as spam" button and/or a "recover from spam" button (depending on > which folder is currently displayed) and a SpamBayes button that drops down > a menu (to view clues for the current message, go to the manager dialog, get > help, and check for a new version). Given that the lack of tight > integration makes the "delete as"/"recover from" buttons impossible, the > windows tray app is fairly close to the toolbar. > > Inside the manager dialog is where all the configuration options are - and > these are separated by tabs at the top (which is probably what what sounded > like what you described). > > Anyway, it sounds like a reasonable thing to investigate, so I'll get to it > at some point (assuming someone else doesn't first). > > =Tony Meyer > > --- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This > way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From Amir_Katz at bmc.com Sun Apr 18 02:36:40 2004 From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir) Date: Sun Apr 18 02:38:14 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] A non-FAQ about the FAQ :-) Message-ID: Slightly off-topic, but I assume that many SB users also use Mozilla FireFox as their default browser, so here goes: A lot of questions are answered by Tony and others with a link to the FAQ, like this one: >> Please see FAQ 3.11: >> http://spambayes.org/faq.html#why-can-t-i-set-spam-to-be-moved-to-the-delete d-items-folder But when I click on the URL, Mozilla FireFox goes to the FAQ, shows the above URL in the Navigation Toolbar but stays on the top of the FAQ instead of jumping to 3.11 (or whatever). Anyone seen that? Thanks Amir "The C Programming Language - A language which combines the flexibility of assembly language with the power of assembly language." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Using Nexus SpeedBird (I mean Firefox 0.8 with Firesomething 1.0.9 extention :) > "Katz, Amir" wrote: > > Slightly off-topic, but I assume that many SB users also use Mozilla > FireFox as their default browser, so here goes: > > A lot of questions are answered by Tony and others with a link to the > FAQ, like this one: > > >> Please see FAQ 3.11: > > >> > http://spambayes.org/faq.html#why-can-t-i-set-spam-to-be-moved-to-the-deleted-items-folder > > But when I click on the URL, Mozilla FireFox goes to the FAQ, shows > the above URL in the Navigation Toolbar but stays on the top of the > FAQ instead of jumping to 3.11 (or whatever). > > Anyone seen that? > > Thanks > > Amir > > "The C Programming Language - A language which combines the > flexibility of assembly language with the power of assembly language." > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From randy_barger at yahoo.com Sun Apr 18 09:58:29 2004 From: randy_barger at yahoo.com (Randy Barger) Date: Sun Apr 18 09:58:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook sends error report Message-ID: Hi all. I'm new to the list, and have searched some of the archives, but haven't been able to find an answer to my problem. First let me say thanks for this awesome program! I have tried MANY of them, and this is the ONLY one I've found that actually saves me time and works like it should. That being said, here's my problem. I'm running Windows XP Pro with SP1 and all the latest updates. I was running Outlook 2002 with SpamBayes .8x (sorry I don't remember the exact version). I then upgraded to Outlook 2003. Every time I click any of the toolbar buttons "Delete as Spam" or "SpamBayes", Outlook closes and asks to send an error report to Microsoft. I then realized that I probably should have uninstalled SpamBayes before I upgraded Outlook, so I completely uninstalled SpamBayes and downloaded the newest version (1.0b1). However, I'm still having the same issue. Mail is still being filtered automatically, it's only when I click a toolbar button that this happens. 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Does it make any difference if the URL is the sourceforge version? Like this: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From verification at paypal.com Mon Apr 19 03:30:54 2004 From: verification at paypal.com (PayPal) Date: Sun Apr 18 23:33:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] PayPal Member Verification Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040419/1f8895d6/attachment.html From Amir_Katz at bmc.com Mon Apr 19 02:39:52 2004 From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir) Date: Mon Apr 19 02:41:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] A non-FAQ about the FAQ :-) - resolved! Message-ID: Mystery solved - in Tony's mails, the URL is too long and wraps over to a new line, so Outlook sends the partial URL to FireFox; since the internal tag does not exist, the browser stays at the top of the page. Thanks to Tony & Michael, which remind me of an old Russian proverb - "If two people tell you that you're drunk, go to sleep" :-) -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 05:28 To: 'Katz, Amir'; 'Spambayes mailing list (E-mail)' Subject: RE: [Spambayes] A non-FAQ about the FAQ :-) > A lot of questions are answered by Tony and others > with a link to the FAQ, like this one: >> Please see FAQ 3.11: >> > But when I click on the URL, Mozilla FireFox goes > to the FAQ, shows the above URL in the Navigation > Toolbar but stays on the top of the FAQ instead of > jumping to 3.11 (or whatever). > Anyone seen that? It works for me here (WinXP SP1) with Firefox 0.8, although it does display the FAQ at the top for a second, and then jump down. Does it make any difference if the URL is the sourceforge version? Like this: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tdickenson at geminidataloggers.com Mon Apr 19 03:28:52 2004 From: tdickenson at geminidataloggers.com (Toby Dickenson) Date: Mon Apr 19 03:28:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Cannot connect to socket with sb_bnserver.py In-Reply-To: <16512.21570.898002.156048@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <1080424390.4065.24.camel@porsche.hq.simlog.com> <40804985.8060709@videotron.ca> <16512.21570.898002.156048@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200404190828.52579.tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com> On Friday 16 April 2004 22:00, papaDoc wrote: > I read a little on python socket and usually on connect to a host on a > given port not to a file ? unix domain sockets have a name stored in the filesystem, and are used for inter-process communication on one machine. (the name of the socket is stored on the filesystem, but the data doesnt actually go to disk). try `man unix` On Friday 16 April 2004 22:46, Skip Montanaro wrote: > >> What happens if you run sb_bnserver.py standalone like: > >> > >> sb_bnserver -a 2 /tmp/test-socket > >> > >> ? Does it exit quickly with a traceback or sit there quietly for > >> two seconds before exiting? > > Remi> it sit there for 16sec and exit without any traceback (This is > Remi> running on a 486 at +/- 72% or CPU load) 16 seconds? that sounds wrong. the '-a 2' bit of the command line tells it to terminate after 2 seconds of inactivity. Did it really take 14 seconds to import and initialise spambayes? On this machine it takes 2.7 seconds, implying initialisation takes 0.7 seconds. How long does it take to run: echo test|scripts/sb_filter.py On this machine that 0.7 seconds, which is consistent with my timings above. If you can debug where your 14 seconds are being spent, Im sure you will find a strong clue to your problem. Are you on linux? if so, the following command will create a log file of all syscalls. Im sure that will contain the answer. Email me (off-list) or make it available for download. echo test| strace -tt -f -o trace.txt python contrib/sb_bnfilter.py > Hmmm... I'm completely out of ideas. Maybe Toby Tickenson (Toby, are you > out there?) has some ideas. Im here. 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From papaDoc at videotron.ca Mon Apr 19 09:17:12 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Mon Apr 19 09:17:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Cannot connect to socket with sb_bnserver.py In-Reply-To: <200404190828.52579.tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com> References: <1080424390.4065.24.camel@porsche.hq.simlog.com> <40804985.8060709@videotron.ca> <16512.21570.898002.156048@montanaro.dyndns.org> <200404190828.52579.tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com> Message-ID: <4083D158.8020809@videotron.ca> Hi Toby, >>I read a little on python socket and usually on connect to a host on a >>given port not to a file ? >> >> >unix domain sockets have a name stored in the filesystem, and are used for >inter-process communication on one machine. (the name of the socket is stored >on the filesystem, but the data doesnt actually go to disk). try `man unix` > > I need to read more .... >> >> What happens if you run sb_bnserver.py standalone like: >> >> >> >> sb_bnserver -a 2 /tmp/test-socket >> >> >> >> ? Does it exit quickly with a traceback or sit there quietly for >> >> two seconds before exiting? >> >> Remi> it sit there for 16sec and exit without any traceback (This is >> Remi> running on a 486 at +/- 72% or CPU load) >> >> > >16 seconds? that sounds wrong. the '-a 2' bit of the command line tells it to >terminate after 2 seconds of inactivity. Did it really take 14 seconds to >import and initialise spambayes? On this machine it takes 2.7 seconds, >implying initialisation takes 0.7 seconds. > > I forget to tell you that this machine (my mail server is an old 486 66Mhz) >How long does it take to run: > >echo test|scripts/sb_filter.py > > Several second... in the order of 10 sec >On this machine that 0.7 seconds, which is consistent with my timings above. > > You are licky >If you can debug where your 14 seconds are being spent, Im sure you will find >a strong clue to your problem. > > My problem is I don't have any money to upgrade ;-) >Are you on linux? > Yes Debian stable with the python2.3 from unstable. >if so, the following command will create a log file of all >syscalls. Im sure that will contain the answer. Email me (off-list) or make >it available for download. > >echo test| strace -tt -f -o trace.txt python contrib/sb_bnfilter.py > > I will send you the file in another email >Im here. Ive only been quiet because Skips answers have been so good, and in >the right timezone. > > I'm sure we can find some time where we are both on the net.... Remi -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Email From tdickenson at geminidataloggers.com Mon Apr 19 09:55:04 2004 From: tdickenson at geminidataloggers.com (Toby Dickenson) Date: Mon Apr 19 09:55:48 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Cannot connect to socket with sb_bnserver.py In-Reply-To: <4083D158.8020809@videotron.ca> References: <1080424390.4065.24.camel@porsche.hq.simlog.com> <200404190828.52579.tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com> <4083D158.8020809@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200404191455.04662.tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com> On Monday 19 April 2004 14:17, papaDoc wrote: > >if so, the following command will create a log file of all > >syscalls. Im sure that will contain the answer. Email me (off-list) or > > make it available for download. > > > >echo test| strace -tt -f -o trace.txt python contrib/sb_bnfilter.py > > I will send you the file in another email interesting. that strace log shows that unlink("/home/ricard/.sbbnsock-modeleT") fails with ENOENT, so the socket does not exist. But connect to that socket is failing with ECONNREFUSED. Thats strange..... I would expect ENOENT there too. (sb_bnfilter takes ECONNREFUSED to mean that there is already a live server process that hasnt quite finished initialisation yet, so on your machine it never forked) Is that any clue to you? -- Toby Dickenson From tdickenson at geminidataloggers.com Mon Apr 19 10:09:57 2004 From: tdickenson at geminidataloggers.com (Toby Dickenson) Date: Mon Apr 19 10:10:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Cannot connect to socket with sb_bnserver.py In-Reply-To: <200404191455.04662.tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com> References: <1080424390.4065.24.camel@porsche.hq.simlog.com> <4083D158.8020809@videotron.ca> <200404191455.04662.tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com> Message-ID: <200404191509.57948.tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com> replies set to spambayes-dev@python.org On Monday 19 April 2004 14:55, Toby Dickenson wrote: > that strace log shows that unlink("/home/ricard/.sbbnsock-modeleT") fails > with ENOENT, so the socket does not exist. > > But connect to that socket is failing with ECONNREFUSED. Thats strange..... aha! your linux kernel must be 2.2.x ! right? patch attached. -- Toby Dickenson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: time_to_get_a_proper_unix.diff Type: text/x-diff Size: 1232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040419/9730dde9/time_to_get_a_proper_unix.bin From EdSolis at comcast.net Mon Apr 19 13:20:08 2004 From: EdSolis at comcast.net (Ed Solis) Date: Mon Apr 19 13:20:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] trying to install Message-ID: <000801c42632$90bc8230$4302a8c0@oemcomputer> Hi, does this product work with Outlook Express? The directions for activating the addin are: 1.. Start Outlook, and select Tools->Options to display the main Options dialog. 2.. Select the tab labeled Other, then click on the Advanced button. 3.. Click on the COM Add-Ins button. But, I am running Outlook Express & I don't have a tab called Other. So can I still activate the plugin? 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040419/d670bfc3/attachment.html From worldawareness at emailinfo123.com Mon Apr 19 19:25:03 2004 From: worldawareness at emailinfo123.com (Way Point) Date: Tue Apr 20 01:28:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Mrs. Fields Cookies Co-Founder's "PKCY" World Awareness Program Message-ID: <200404192324.i3JNOv8v021312@mxzilla4.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040419/7b31a8ad/attachment-0001.html From info at mindmanager.de Tue Apr 20 09:54:08 2004 From: info at mindmanager.de (info@mindmanager.de) Date: Tue Apr 20 09:52:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: improved Message-ID: <200404201351.i3KDpVQS093296@mxzilla3.xs4all.nl> I have received your document. The corrected document is attached. ++++ Attachment: No Virus found ++++ Norton AntiVirus - www.symantec.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From info at softprom.com Tue Apr 20 09:36:39 2004 From: info at softprom.com (info@softprom.com) Date: Tue Apr 20 12:20:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Mail Delivery (failure spambayes@python.org) Message-ID: <200404201334.i3KDY2bF089926@mxzilla2.xs4all.nl> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: plain/text Size: 113 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040420/8e3c5db1/attachment.bin From mosmeloski at indians.com Tue Apr 20 12:32:20 2004 From: mosmeloski at indians.com (Osmeloski, Mike) Date: Tue Apr 20 12:31:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Unspecified Error Message-ID: <60FF73732696A648BF73E7577A8F63CB360798@jacobsfield.cleindians.com> After reading over all the documentation and such...I am still reciving a MsgStoreException: Exception 0x80004005 error. The system is a Dell Lattitue D600 running XP Pro and office 2000 with spambayes 1.0b1 <> . Thanks for your help. Michael Osmeloski Desktop Support Specialist Cleveland Indians 2401 Onterio St. Cleveland, Ohio 44115 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: spambayes1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 11903 bytes Desc: spambayes1.log Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040420/7db1949e/spambayes1.obj From pcm at cisco.com Tue Apr 20 13:04:57 2004 From: pcm at cisco.com (Paul Michali) Date: Tue Apr 20 13:05:07 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problems getting started with IMAP... Message-ID: <40855839.8000105@cisco.com> Hi all, I'm trying to get this setup on a Solaris 2.6 box that uses Mirapoint IMAP mail servers. I'm using Spambayes 1.0b1 with Python 2.3.2. My mail clients are Netscape 4.7 (Solaris) and Netscape 7.1 (WinXP). I ran "sb_imapfilter.py -b -p hammie.db -P" and was able to get the web interface and setup the folders to filter and train. Then, I used "sb_imapfilter.py -c -t -l 5 -p hammie.db -P" to start classifying. I have these questions/problems that I'm hoping someone can provide some guidance on... 1) It it correct to use the "-p" (pickled?) database for this platform? I couldn't get the "-d" option to work and don't quite understand this part of it. 2) When I ran with the "-b" option to configure, I could setup the folders, but I cannot display any stats (I get several error messages displayed, which I can provide, if it helps). Once I run the script with classifying, I cannot access localhost:8080 at all (connection refused). How do I see the stats? Is there a way to train, like what is done for the POP version? 3) For filtering, I'm using just the INBOX. For training I have a HAM and SPAM folder and I have an UNSURE folder. What procedures do I follow, when I get e-mail that is tagged incorrectly? The cases I've seen so far are messages marked as unsure, which are either spam or ham, and messages marked as ham, which are spam. I move the message in the training folder, but do I leave it there, or do I wait 10 minutes and then delete it? Once trained, can I move it back to the INBOX? I like to have all e-mail that I've read, but haven't responded to, left in my INBOX. 4) I'm seeing ham messages in my INBOX that, when I move them to other folders on the server, they often will reappear in my INBOX (as unread messages). What is going on? I also had one case where a message was in my INBOX, I read it and replied to the sender. I read other messages in the INBOX and other folders (I have the IMAP server filter some messages directly to folders, so those are skipped by this process). I may have possibly done an Empty trash. When I looked back at the INBOX a few minutes later, the message was gone! Ouch! 5) I think I read on the list archive about messages are marked for deletion, but I don't seem to see classified messages that have been moved (copied?) to, say a SPAM folder by Spambayes. Is there some configuration that I need to set in my client to see these messages? Is there something I should be doing differently, when configuring/running Spambayes? Thanks in advance! PCM From reh at reholmes.com Tue Apr 20 16:29:30 2004 From: reh at reholmes.com (Dick Holmes) Date: Tue Apr 20 16:37:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] No SpamBayes Markings Message-ID: <001301c42716$2f30af20$91360244@ph.cox.net> Greeting, I run Outlook Express on Win98 SE with Norton Antivirus. Norton places itself between the POP servers, of which I have two, and the mail app; the mail app sees only one server, Norton, and only one port, 110. So, I placed SpamBayes between Norton and Outlook Express; it sees pop3.Norton.Antivirus via port 110. While I have trained about a thousand emails, and noted on setup to mark only "Spam", I have seen no markings, and SpamBayes statistics show "SpamBayes has processed zero messages". So, where have I erred? OBTW, I attempted to execute sb_services via the DOS window, and get an error for a mission DLL. Please advise, Richard Holmes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040420/b24f3463/attachment-0001.html From Mazellaherve at aol.com Tue Apr 20 17:30:51 2004 From: Mazellaherve at aol.com (Mazellaherve@aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 20 17:31:01 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: Please Help!!! Dear Sir, could you please give me an adresse to download a free logiciel to stop spam in Outlook 2000 for Wondows XP. It is not possible now to read a correct message,my e-mail adresse is full of spam, it's a nightmare, could you help me please? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040420/a2df6fd5/attachment.html From info at mindman.co.uk Tue Apr 20 09:07:08 2004 From: info at mindman.co.uk (info@mindman.co.uk) Date: Tue Apr 20 18:20:33 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: thanks! Message-ID: <200404201304.i3KD4WoW048208@mxzilla6.xs4all.nl> Your document is attached. +++ Attachment: No Virus found +++ Panda AntiVirus - www.pandasoftware.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Norton AntiVirus gel?scht1.txt Type: plain/text Size: 110 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040420/7fb702d1/NortonAntiVirusgelscht1.bin From randy_barger at yahoo.com Tue Apr 20 18:44:52 2004 From: randy_barger at yahoo.com (Randy Barger) Date: Tue Apr 20 18:42:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook sends error report - RESEND Message-ID: I haven't seen any responses, so I'm reposting. If this doesn't receive a response, I won't post again. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi all. I'm new to the list, and have searched some of the archives, but haven't been able to find an answer to my problem. First let me say thanks for this awesome program! I have tried MANY of them, and this is the ONLY one I've found that actually saves me time and works like it should. That being said, here's my problem. I'm running Windows XP Pro with SP1 and all the latest updates. I was running Outlook 2002 with SpamBayes .8x (sorry I don't remember the exact version). I then upgraded to Outlook 2003. Every time I click any of the toolbar buttons "Delete as Spam" or "SpamBayes", Outlook closes and asks to send an error report to Microsoft. I then realized that I probably should have uninstalled SpamBayes before I upgraded Outlook, so I completely uninstalled SpamBayes and downloaded the newest version (1.0b1). However, I'm still having the same issue. Mail is still being filtered automatically, it's only when I click a toolbar button that this happens. I've attached the logs from today and yesterday. Randy Barger __________________________________________________ Email: randy_barger@yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 20 20:27:55 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 20 20:28:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes bug In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF6192@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C93@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I just installed it but when I click on ANY newly arrived > emails received, they disappear and do not show up anywhere, > no matter who it's from. It is just gone. Please read FAQ 3.12: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 20 20:30:26 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 20 20:30:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF613A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C94@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > could you please give me an adresse to download a free > logiciel to stop spam in Outlook 2000 for Wondows XP. > It is not possible now to read a correct message,my e-mail > adresse is full of spam, it's a nightmare, could you help > me please? You can download an installer for SpamBayes, which will move spam out of your Outlook Inbox (given appropriate training) from: If you click the "download the installation program", you'll end up with a regular Windows installer. Launch that, go through the various prompts, and it's installed. Next time you open Outlook, you'll be presented with the SpamBayes wizard to help you setup SpamBayes. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 20 20:35:00 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 20 20:35:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] No SpamBayes Markings In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF610D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C95@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I run Outlook Express on Win98 SE with Norton > Antivirus. Norton places itself between the POP > servers, of which I have two, and the mail app; > the mail app sees only one server, Norton, and only > one port, 110. So, I placed SpamBayes between Norton > and Outlook Express; it sees pop3.Norton.Antivirus > via port 110. > > While I have trained about a thousand emails, Note that this may be many more than you need. Note also that it's best to train roughly the same amount of ham as spam. > and > noted on setup to mark only "Spam", I have seen no > markings, and SpamBayes statistics show "SpamBayes has > processed zero messages". > > So, where have I erred? Where is Outlook Express connecting to? If it's to pop3.Norton.Antivirus:110, then that's the problem (it's the most likely). It should be connecting to wherever you have put SpamBayes (possibly localhost:110). However, even though the Norton address is "pop3.Northon.Antivirus", I suspect this is just an alias for your machine's address (i.e. localhost). This would mean that you need to use a different port than 110 for SpamBayes, because Norton already has 110 taken. In the SpamBayes configuration, set the 'local port' option to something else (8110, for example), and be sure that Outlook Express is connecting to that port (in the Advanced tab). > OBTW, I attempted to execute sb_services via the DOS window, > and get an error for a mission DLL. IIRC, Windows 98 doesn't have any concept of services. I believe Microsoft introduces these with Windows 2000. IAC, you have no need for it; sb_server should work fine. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 20 21:08:26 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 20 21:08:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problems getting started with IMAP... In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF6073@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BAF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > 1) Is it correct to use the "-p" (pickled?) database > for this platform? I couldn't get the "-d" option > to work and don't quite understand this part of it. If you have some sort of Python dbm module installed, then you can use the -d option (which is the default). For example, if you have bsddb installed (I think this is usually with most Python 2.3.x installs, but I'm really only familiar with the Windows one). In any case, using a pickle will work fine. > 2) When I ran with the "-b" option to configure, I > could setup the folders, but I cannot display any > stats (I get several error messages displayed, which > I can provide, if it helps). Yes, it would help to have the error messages. > Once I run the script > with classifying, I cannot access localhost:8080 at > all (connection refused). How do I see the stats? [I presume the 8080 is a typo and you meant 8880, or you've changed the config to put the ui at 8080] Good point :) With the POP3 proxy, the web interface is always running while the proxies are running, so it's not a problem. With the IMAP filter, it's *either* the web interface *or* the filter. I vaguely recall that there was a reason for this at the time, but I can't recall what it was. You could run "imapfilter.py -b" as a separate process and use that to view the web interface (although I'm not sure how happily the two would play together in terms of accessing the databases). Maybe the web interface should be served if the '-l' option is used? (I suspect that the above reason that I can't remember might be something to do with the fact that the script is short-lived without -l, so there isn't any point in serving the interface). I'd want to think about it for another day, but I don't see any reason at the moment that this shouldn't be the case, so could check that change in for 1.0b2. > Is there a way to train, like what is done for the > POP version? Yes. You can either use the 'upload' box on the web interface (running with -b) to upload mbox files (or Outlook Express files, if you have those), or you can use imapfilter itself. This is the purpose of the -t switch (if you just use -c it'll classify/filter, but not train, and vice-versa). Basically in the configuration, you should be able to select one or more folders that contain ham, and one or more that contain spam. These can be ones that you filter, or not (you might have specific "ham_to_train" and "spam_to_train" folders, for example, or you might just use your inbox and spam folder). The -t option gets imapfilter to run through these folders and appropriately train any messages it hasn't seen before. > 3) For filtering, I'm using just the INBOX. For training > I have a HAM and SPAM folder and I have an UNSURE > folder. What procedures do I follow, when I get e-mail > that is tagged incorrectly? The cases I've seen so far > are messages marked as unsure, which are either spam > or ham, and messages marked as ham, which are spam. Any mistakes should be put in the correct training folder. The mail is tagged with an id header that lets SpamBayes correct any mistraining, too, so you can move from the spam training folder to the ham training folder quite happily. > I move the message in the training folder, but do I > leave it there, or do I wait 10 minutes and then delete > it? Once trained, can I move it back to the INBOX? > I like to have all e-mail that I've read, but haven't > responded to, left in my INBOX. You can move/delete the messages out of the folder (and this may help speed, as below) once they have been trained. There are also two [imap] options: 'move_trained_ham_to_folder' and 'move_trained_spam_to_folder' which may be of use (I can't recall offhand if these are exposed via the user interface or not. If not, then you'd need to manually edit your configuration file). These do pretty much what the names suggest - after mail has been trained, it gets moved to the specified folder. For example, you could set 'move_trained_ham_to_folder' to your Inbox. It does help (in terms of speed) to keep the training folders relatively small, because the filter needs to wade through them to figure out if there's anything new there. > 4) I'm seeing ham messages in my INBOX that, when I move > them to other folders on the server, they often will > reappear in my INBOX (as unread messages). What is > going on? I don't know :) I suppose it's possible that SpamBayes is in the middle of processing that message when you move it, but that seems unlikely. Does the message that you move have the SpamBayes headers? Does the new one? It might help if you run imapfilter with "-i4", capturing the output, during a time when this happens. This produces a log of the IMAP conversation and we could use it to debug the problem. If so, be sure to edit the file before you send it here, because it includes the IMAP username and password in clear text. > I also had one case where a message was in > my INBOX, I read it and replied to the sender. I read > other messages in the INBOX and other folders (I have > the IMAP server filter some messages directly to > folders, so those are skipped by this process). I > may have possibly done an Empty trash. When I looked > back at the INBOX a few minutes later, the message > was gone! Ouch! I presume it was filtered and classified as unsure/spam? It should therefore have appeared in one of those folders (although the original is still there marked to be deleted, unless you did do the empty trash). This is one of the problems with the filtering approach - because the filter only executes every x minutes, in times between execution there are messages in your folders that wouldn't normally be there. Reducing x might help, if that doesn't put too much load on things. > 5) I think I read on the list archive about messages are > marked for deletion, but I don't seem to see classified > messages that have been moved (copied?) to, say a SPAM > folder by Spambayes. Is there some configuration that > I need to set in my client to see these messages? Is > there something I should be doing differently, when > configuring/running Spambayes? Do you mean that messages classified as spam don't appear in your spam folder? This would be bad, and the -i4 output mentioned above would probably be needed to identify the problem. If that's not what you mean, could you clarify? The 'marked for deletion' comments are talking about the way the filter moves/filters messages. Basically, IMAP doesn't provide any method for moving messages (a terrible flaw in the spec, if you ask me), so the filter has to create a new copy of the message, and mark the old one for deletion. So there'll always be a (to be deleted) copy of every message that SpamBayes (successfully) processes. This even applies to ham messages, which are 'copied' to the same folder, so that the SpamBayes headers get added (because IMAP also doesn't let you modify an existing message, other than the flags). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From j.h.byrer at worldnet.att.net Tue Apr 20 21:16:37 2004 From: j.h.byrer at worldnet.att.net (Joyce Byrer) Date: Tue Apr 20 21:16:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] help with setup of my mail client Message-ID: <002401c4273e$4ef485c0$e28a410c@joyce> Hello, I just installed Spambayes and am working through the "Getting Started" steps. So far I have right clicked on the SpamBayes tray icon program and clicked on "Configure". I entered "postoffice.worldnet.att.net" for the Remote Server and "110" as the SpamBayes port. I then clicked on the Save button. Step 2 says that I should setup my mail client to receive mail from "localhost" rather than my mail server. How do I do this? I am running WindowsXP. The version of SpamBayes is 0.5. I am using Outlook Express. Thank you, Joyce Byrer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040420/18587ddd/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 20 21:25:41 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 20 21:25:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] help with setup of my mail client In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF61D2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BB0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Step 2 says that I should setup my mail client to receive > mail from "localhost" rather than my mail server. > How do I do this? [...] > I am using Outlook Express. In Outlook Express, choose "Accounts" from the "Tools" menu. Click on your mail account (going to the "Mail" tab might help you figure out which one it is) and click "Properties". Click the "Servers" tab. This will have an entry for "incoming mail", which will be your mail server. Change this to read "localhost". Click "OK" and then "Close". Note that in the SpamBayes configuration, you'll also have to tick at least one of the "ham"/"spam"/"unsure" boxes in the "Notate To" or "Notate Subject" options to use SpamBayes with Outlook Express (because the only way to get the information through is in the subject or 'to' line. I can't recall if this is in the docs or not (it should be, but might not be; I'll have to look at that). Be sure to let us (the list) know if there are any problems. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From papaDoc at videotron.ca Tue Apr 20 21:44:44 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (Remi Ricard) Date: Tue Apr 20 21:44:57 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] help with setup of my mail client In-Reply-To: <002401c4273e$4ef485c0$e28a410c@joyce> References: <002401c4273e$4ef485c0$e28a410c@joyce> Message-ID: <1082511881.3350.2.camel@porsche> Hi, > Step 2 says that I should setup my mail client to receive mail from > "localhost" rather than my mail server. How do I do this? This is from a mail written by Tony Mayer ----- You need to go into the mail server settings in Outlook Express and set them to use "localhost" rather than your mail server(s). This is Tools->Accounts->Mail (tab), select the account, then Properties, from memory. Something like that, anyway. Since you're using Outlook Express, you'll also have to setup spambayes to include the classification (like "Spam") in the subject or "to" of the message as well, so that OE can filter it. You can do this via the "Configuration" link on the spambayes web interface (if you're using the tray icon, right click it and choose Configuration, then find the "Notate" options). ----- > I am running WindowsXP. The version of SpamBayes is 0.5. I am using > Outlook Express. By the way you should use the lastest version of spambayes. Remi From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 20 21:56:06 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 20 21:56:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] help with setup of my mail client In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF61DD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677C98@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > This is from a mail written by Tony Mayer [...] This was what I tried to find. If only I kept it like Remi did, I wouldn't have had to retype it . > > I am running WindowsXP. The version of SpamBayes is 0.5. > By the way you should use the lastest version of spambayes. She is - this is our fault because our versioning is so confusing! Each of the separate apps has a separate version number (in addition to the 1.0b1 package version) and 0.5 is the latest for sb_server. Yes, it's terribly confusing, and not good. Mark is going to figure out something nice to replace it :) =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From pcm at cisco.com Tue Apr 20 23:14:20 2004 From: pcm at cisco.com (Paul Michali) Date: Tue Apr 20 23:14:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problems getting started with IMAP... In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BAF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BAF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <4085E70C.9040109@cisco.com> Tony, Thanks for the quick answers! I'll try to reply here, before I have to go to bed... Tony Meyer wrote: >>1) Is it correct to use the "-p" (pickled?) database >> for this platform? I couldn't get the "-d" option >> to work and don't quite understand this part of it. > > > If you have some sort of Python dbm module installed, then you can use the > -d option (which is the default). For example, if you have bsddb installed > (I think this is usually with most Python 2.3.x installs, but I'm really > only familiar with the Windows one). In any case, using a pickle will work > fine. It doesn't seem to see the dbm module, so it must not be in our installation (Solaris 2.6) and I don't know much about Python, so I'm not sure how to add it in. Since the "-p" option works, I'm fine. > > >>2) When I ran with the "-b" option to configure, I >> could setup the folders, but I cannot display any >> stats (I get several error messages displayed, which >> I can provide, if it helps). > > > Yes, it would help to have the error messages. Here's what the browser shows, when I pick the "More Statistics..." link: 500 Server error Traceback (most recent call last): File "/users/pcm/lib/python/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 461, in found_terminator getattr(plugin, name)(**params) File "/users/pcm/lib/python/spambayes/UserInterface.py", line 1016, in onStats s = Stats.Stats() File "/users/pcm/lib/python/spambayes/Stats.py", line 42, in __init__ self.CalculateStats() File "/users/pcm/lib/python/spambayes/Stats.py", line 58, in CalculateStats for msg in msginfoDB.db.keys(): AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'keys' > > >> Once I run the script >> with classifying, I cannot access localhost:8080 at >> all (connection refused). How do I see the stats? > > > [I presume the 8080 is a typo and you meant 8880, or you've changed the > config to put the ui at 8080] Just typo, sorry. > > Good point :) With the POP3 proxy, the web interface is always running > while the proxies are running, so it's not a problem. With the IMAP filter, > it's *either* the web interface *or* the filter. I vaguely recall that > there was a reason for this at the time, but I can't recall what it was. > > You could run "imapfilter.py -b" as a separate process and use that to view > the web interface (although I'm not sure how happily the two would play > together in terms of accessing the databases). Maybe the web interface > should be served if the '-l' option is used? (I suspect that the above > reason that I can't remember might be something to do with the fact that the > script is short-lived without -l, so there isn't any point in serving the > interface). The stats would be nice, and training on incoming messages, like the POP3 one would be awesome! > > I'd want to think about it for another day, but I don't see any reason at > the moment that this shouldn't be the case, so could check that change in > for 1.0b2. > > >> Is there a way to train, like what is done for the >> POP version? > > > Yes. You can either use the 'upload' box on the web interface (running with > -b) to upload mbox files (or Outlook Express files, if you have those), or > you can use imapfilter itself. This is the purpose of the -t switch (if you > just use -c it'll classify/filter, but not train, and vice-versa). Hmm. With IMAP though, when I look into my mail directory on my machine, I don't see the full messages. It almost looks like some kind of index or summary? Would I need to move the messages to a local folder and then "upload" them? I'll probably try to use the -t (but see below for some problems). > > Basically in the configuration, you should be able to select one or more > folders that contain ham, and one or more that contain spam. These can be > ones that you filter, or not (you might have specific "ham_to_train" and > "spam_to_train" folders, for example, or you might just use your inbox and > spam folder). The -t option gets imapfilter to run through these folders > and appropriately train any messages it hasn't seen before. > > >>3) For filtering, I'm using just the INBOX. For training >> I have a HAM and SPAM folder and I have an UNSURE >> folder. What procedures do I follow, when I get e-mail >> that is tagged incorrectly? The cases I've seen so far >> are messages marked as unsure, which are either spam >> or ham, and messages marked as ham, which are spam. > > > Any mistakes should be put in the correct training folder. The mail is > tagged with an id header that lets SpamBayes correct any mistraining, too, > so you can move from the spam training folder to the ham training folder > quite happily. OK. So I got a message for prescription drugs (love those :^). It was marked as "unsure" and was placed into my Unsure folder. I moved it to my Spam folder (used for training). Now it just sits there and the classification never changes to "spam". I have to move it to my inbox and then it will get reclassified and moved to the spam folder. > > >> I move the message in the training folder, but do I >> leave it there, or do I wait 10 minutes and then delete >> it? Once trained, can I move it back to the INBOX? >> I like to have all e-mail that I've read, but haven't >> responded to, left in my INBOX. > > > You can move/delete the messages out of the folder (and this may help speed, > as below) once they have been trained. > > There are also two [imap] options: 'move_trained_ham_to_folder' and > 'move_trained_spam_to_folder' which may be of use (I can't recall offhand if > these are exposed via the user interface or not. If not, then you'd need to > manually edit your configuration file). These do pretty much what the names > suggest - after mail has been trained, it gets moved to the specified > folder. For example, you could set 'move_trained_ham_to_folder' to your > Inbox. It does help (in terms of speed) to keep the training folders > relatively small, because the filter needs to wade through them to figure > out if there's anything new there. Ah! I'll give that a try and see what happens. I was wondering how to tell when the thing is trained and how to get it to place messages in the right place. This would solve several problems, I think! Here's what I'll try: ham_train_folders:INBOX.Bayesian.MarkAsHam move_trained_ham_to_folder:INBOX spam_folder:INBOX.Bayesian.Spam spam_train_folders:INBOX.Bayesian.MarkAsSpam move_trained_spam_to_folder:INBOX.Bayesian.Spam unsure_folder:INBOX.Bayesian.Unsure filter_folders:INBOX Is there a option for "ham_folder"? I'm just wondering if I should have the Inbox filtered to a Ham, Spam, or Unsure folder, rather than having the Inbox filtered every 10 minutes, since I tyically leave messages in the Inbox for a while (which I could in this case, leave them in the Ham folder). Is there a better way than what I have here? > > >>4) I'm seeing ham messages in my INBOX that, when I move >> them to other folders on the server, they often will >> reappear in my INBOX (as unread messages). What is >> going on? > > > I don't know :) I suppose it's possible that SpamBayes is in the middle of > processing that message when you move it, but that seems unlikely. It seems, and I haven't verified it yet, that when the filter is running, I can only see the headers from my client. For example, clicking on the message wont show the body. Once the filter goes to sleep, I can access the message. > Does the > message that you move have the SpamBayes headers? Does the new one? It > might help if you run imapfilter with "-i4", capturing the output, during a > time when this happens. This produces a log of the IMAP conversation and we > could use it to debug the problem. If so, be sure to edit the file before > you send it here, because it includes the IMAP username and password in > clear text. I'm not sure. I'll try the filtering with -i4 and see what happens and I'll closely monitor new messages and report back what I see (I just haven't seen any for a while). I do know this... I can click on "get messages" button from my mail client (Netscape) and see, say five new messages in the Inbox (or Spam or Unsure). I can read each of them, so that their status is no longer "new" (unread). Then, I can click on the "get messages" button aain, and all five will appear as "new", unread messages! If I look at them again and click on "get messages" they stay unchanged. Likewise, I can take an unread message, read it, move it to another folder, click "get messages" and the message reappears as a new, unread message in my Inbox! > > >> I also had one case where a message was in >> my INBOX, I read it and replied to the sender. I read >> other messages in the INBOX and other folders (I have >> the IMAP server filter some messages directly to >> folders, so those are skipped by this process). I >> may have possibly done an Empty trash. When I looked >> back at the INBOX a few minutes later, the message >> was gone! Ouch! > > > I presume it was filtered and classified as unsure/spam? I don't think it was, as it was in my Inbox and not in my Spam or Unsure folder. > It should > therefore have appeared in one of those folders (although the original is > still there marked to be deleted, unless you did do the empty trash). This > is one of the problems with the filtering approach - because the filter only > executes every x minutes, in times between execution there are messages in > your folders that wouldn't normally be there. Reducing x might help, if > that doesn't put too much load on things. I can try a -l 1 later on and see what happens. I haven't seen a message lost since, but I do see this message appears as new twice thing, all the time. > > >>5) I think I read on the list archive about messages are >> marked for deletion, but I don't seem to see classified >> messages that have been moved (copied?) to, say a SPAM >> folder by Spambayes. Is there some configuration that >> I need to set in my client to see these messages? Is >> there something I should be doing differently, when >> configuring/running Spambayes? > > > Do you mean that messages classified as spam don't appear in your spam > folder? This would be bad, and the -i4 output mentioned above would > probably be needed to identify the problem. If that's not what you mean, > could you clarify? I guess what I was asking was that if a message was classified and then a new copy of the message was created, say marked as Spam, and the original was still there marked as deleted, should I be able to see the original message somewhere (trash)? I don't see the message anywhere. I have my client configured to "when I delete a message, move it to the trash folder". I'm just trying to see if there is a way to recover that message that was lost. > > The 'marked for deletion' comments are talking about the way the filter > moves/filters messages. Basically, IMAP doesn't provide any method for > moving messages (a terrible flaw in the spec, if you ask me), so the filter > has to create a new copy of the message, and mark the old one for deletion. > So there'll always be a (to be deleted) copy of every message that SpamBayes > (successfully) processes. This even applies to ham messages, which are > 'copied' to the same folder, so that the SpamBayes headers get added > (because IMAP also doesn't let you modify an existing message, other than > the flags). Wow. Too bad IMAP doesn't play well in the sandbox :^) Got to go now. Thanks again for the help! PCM @ WORK (Paul Michali) From sales at nero.com Wed Apr 21 03:52:58 2004 From: sales at nero.com (sales@nero.com) Date: Wed Apr 21 03:50:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Message Message-ID: Important message, do not show this anyone! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:50:24 +0200 Size: 1239 Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040421/0419d1ec/attachment.mht From pcm at cisco.com Wed Apr 21 07:37:29 2004 From: pcm at cisco.com (Paul Michali) Date: Wed Apr 21 07:37:40 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problems getting started with IMAP... In-Reply-To: <4085E70C.9040109@cisco.com> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BAF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <4085E70C.9040109@cisco.com> Message-ID: <40865CF9.8080805@cisco.com> I'm keeping open questions/issues and adding more responses in-line... Paul Michali wrote: >>> 2) When I ran with the "-b" option to configure, I >>> could setup the folders, but I cannot display any >>> stats (I get several error messages displayed, which >>> I can provide, if it helps). >> >> >> >> Yes, it would help to have the error messages. > > > Here's what the browser shows, when I pick the "More > Statistics..." link: > > 500 Server error > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/users/pcm/lib/python/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 461, in > found_terminator > getattr(plugin, name)(**params) > > File "/users/pcm/lib/python/spambayes/UserInterface.py", line 1016, in > onStats > s = Stats.Stats() > > File "/users/pcm/lib/python/spambayes/Stats.py", line 42, in __init__ > self.CalculateStats() > > File "/users/pcm/lib/python/spambayes/Stats.py", line 58, in > CalculateStats > for msg in msginfoDB.db.keys(): > > AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'keys' > > >> Good point :) With the POP3 proxy, the web interface is always running >> while the proxies are running, so it's not a problem. With the IMAP >> filter, >> it's *either* the web interface *or* the filter. I vaguely recall that >> there was a reason for this at the time, but I can't recall what it was. >> >> You could run "imapfilter.py -b" as a separate process and use that to >> view >> the web interface (although I'm not sure how happily the two would play >> together in terms of accessing the databases). Maybe the web interface >> should be served if the '-l' option is used? (I suspect that the above >> reason that I can't remember might be something to do with the fact >> that the >> script is short-lived without -l, so there isn't any point in serving the >> interface). > > > The stats would be nice, and training on incoming messages, > like the POP3 one would be awesome! It "seems" like I can run a second instance of sb_imapfilter.py with the -b option. I'm not sure if they interact. So, one open item is that I can't seem to see stats when I run with "-b" option. Error messages shown above. >> I'd want to think about it for another day, but I don't see any reason at >> the moment that this shouldn't be the case, so could check that change in >> for 1.0b2. >> >> >>> Is there a way to train, like what is done for the >>> POP version? >> >> >> >> Yes. You can either use the 'upload' box on the web interface >> (running with >> -b) to upload mbox files (or Outlook Express files, if you have >> those), or >> you can use imapfilter itself. This is the purpose of the -t switch >> (if you >> just use -c it'll classify/filter, but not train, and vice-versa). > > > Hmm. With IMAP though, when I look into my mail directory on > my machine, I don't see the full messages. It almost looks > like some kind of index or summary? Would I need to move the > messages to a local folder and then "upload" them? I'll > probably try to use the -t (but see below for some problems). > > >> >> Basically in the configuration, you should be able to select one or more >> folders that contain ham, and one or more that contain spam. These >> can be >> ones that you filter, or not (you might have specific "ham_to_train" and >> "spam_to_train" folders, for example, or you might just use your inbox >> and >> spam folder). The -t option gets imapfilter to run through these folders >> and appropriately train any messages it hasn't seen before. >> >> >>> 3) For filtering, I'm using just the INBOX. For training >>> I have a HAM and SPAM folder and I have an UNSURE >>> folder. What procedures do I follow, when I get e-mail >>> that is tagged incorrectly? The cases I've seen so far >>> are messages marked as unsure, which are either spam >>> or ham, and messages marked as ham, which are spam. >> >> >> >> Any mistakes should be put in the correct training folder. The mail is >> tagged with an id header that lets SpamBayes correct any mistraining, >> too, >> so you can move from the spam training folder to the ham training folder >> quite happily. > > > OK. So I got a message for prescription drugs (love those :^). > It was marked as "unsure" and was placed into my Unsure > folder. I moved it to my Spam folder (used for training). > Now it just sits there and the classification never changes > to "spam". I have to move it to my inbox and then it will > get reclassified and moved to the spam folder. I'll see if the "move_trained_{ham,spam}_to_folder" will solve this issue. Waiting for some spam (boy that's sounds weird :^) > > >> >> >>> I move the message in the training folder, but do I >>> leave it there, or do I wait 10 minutes and then delete >>> it? Once trained, can I move it back to the INBOX? >>> I like to have all e-mail that I've read, but haven't >>> responded to, left in my INBOX. >> >> >> >> You can move/delete the messages out of the folder (and this may help >> speed, >> as below) once they have been trained. >> >> There are also two [imap] options: 'move_trained_ham_to_folder' and >> 'move_trained_spam_to_folder' which may be of use (I can't recall >> offhand if >> these are exposed via the user interface or not. If not, then you'd >> need to >> manually edit your configuration file). These do pretty much what the >> names >> suggest - after mail has been trained, it gets moved to the specified >> folder. For example, you could set 'move_trained_ham_to_folder' to your >> Inbox. It does help (in terms of speed) to keep the training folders >> relatively small, because the filter needs to wade through them to figure >> out if there's anything new there. > > > Ah! I'll give that a try and see what happens. I was > wondering how to tell when the thing is trained and > how to get it to place messages in the right place. > This would solve several problems, I think! > > Here's what I'll try: > > ham_train_folders:INBOX.Bayesian.MarkAsHam > move_trained_ham_to_folder:INBOX > spam_folder:INBOX.Bayesian.Spam > spam_train_folders:INBOX.Bayesian.MarkAsSpam > move_trained_spam_to_folder:INBOX.Bayesian.Spam > unsure_folder:INBOX.Bayesian.Unsure > filter_folders:INBOX > > Is there a option for "ham_folder"? Let me know what you think about the above config and if there is a "ham_folder" option. > I'm just wondering if > I should have the Inbox filtered to a Ham, Spam, or Unsure > folder, rather than having the Inbox filtered every 10 > minutes, since I tyically leave messages in the Inbox for > a while (which I could in this case, leave them in the > Ham folder). Is there a better way than what I have here? > > >> >> >>> 4) I'm seeing ham messages in my INBOX that, when I move >>> them to other folders on the server, they often will >>> reappear in my INBOX (as unread messages). What is >>> going on? >> >> >> >> I don't know :) I suppose it's possible that SpamBayes is in the >> middle of >> processing that message when you move it, but that seems unlikely. > > > It seems, and I haven't verified it yet, that when the filter > is running, I can only see the headers from my client. For > example, clicking on the message wont show the body. Once > the filter goes to sleep, I can access the message. Verified. I cannot see the message bodies in the Inbox, when the sb_imapfilter.py is running (once it sleeps it allows my client to see the folder). > > >> Does the >> message that you move have the SpamBayes headers? Does the new one? It >> might help if you run imapfilter with "-i4", capturing the output, >> during a >> time when this happens. This produces a log of the IMAP conversation >> and we >> could use it to debug the problem. If so, be sure to edit the file >> before >> you send it here, because it includes the IMAP username and password in >> clear text. > > > I'm not sure. I'll try the filtering with -i4 and see what > happens and I'll closely monitor new messages and report > back what I see (I just haven't seen any for a while). I still need to do the -i4 option. > > I do know this... I can click on "get messages" button > from my mail client (Netscape) and see, say five new messages > in the Inbox (or Spam or Unsure). I can read each of them, so > that their status is no longer "new" (unread). > > Then, I can click on the "get messages" button aain, and all > five will appear as "new", unread messages! If I look at them > again and click on "get messages" they stay unchanged. > > Likewise, I can take an unread message, read it, move it to > another folder, click "get messages" and the message reappears > as a new, unread message in my Inbox! Yes, I can verify that, when a new message arrives (marked as unread), it does not have a spam classification. I can read it, move it, whatever, but after sb_imapfilter.py runs, the message re-appears in the Inbox, as unread, with a classification. Would having the filter move the message from the inbox to a spam, ham, or unsure folder resolve this issue, in that I would just look at the ham folder for messages (and don't move/delete them, until they're in that folder)? That coupled with a faster filtering cycle? If so, is there a ham_folder option? >>> I also had one case where a message was in >>> my INBOX, I read it and replied to the sender. I read >>> other messages in the INBOX and other folders (I have >>> the IMAP server filter some messages directly to >>> folders, so those are skipped by this process). I >>> may have possibly done an Empty trash. When I looked >>> back at the INBOX a few minutes later, the message >>> was gone! Ouch! >> >> >> >> I presume it was filtered and classified as unsure/spam? > > > I don't think it was, as it was in my Inbox and not in my > Spam or Unsure folder. > > >> It should >> therefore have appeared in one of those folders (although the original is >> still there marked to be deleted, unless you did do the empty trash). >> This >> is one of the problems with the filtering approach - because the >> filter only >> executes every x minutes, in times between execution there are >> messages in >> your folders that wouldn't normally be there. Reducing x might help, if >> that doesn't put too much load on things. > > > I can try a -l 1 later on and see what happens. I haven't > seen a message lost since, but I do see this message > appears as new twice thing, all the time. > > >> >> >>> 5) I think I read on the list archive about messages are >>> marked for deletion, but I don't seem to see classified >>> messages that have been moved (copied?) to, say a SPAM >>> folder by Spambayes. Is there some configuration that >>> I need to set in my client to see these messages? Is >>> there something I should be doing differently, when >>> configuring/running Spambayes? >> >> >> >> Do you mean that messages classified as spam don't appear in your spam >> folder? This would be bad, and the -i4 output mentioned above would >> probably be needed to identify the problem. If that's not what you mean, >> could you clarify? > > > I guess what I was asking was that if a message was classified > and then a new copy of the message was created, say marked as > Spam, and the original was still there marked as deleted, should > I be able to see the original message somewhere (trash)? I > don't see the message anywhere. I have my client configured to > "when I delete a message, move it to the trash folder". I'm > just trying to see if there is a way to recover that message > that was lost. > Could use your advice on the above stuff... > >> >> The 'marked for deletion' comments are talking about the way the filter >> moves/filters messages. Basically, IMAP doesn't provide any method for >> moving messages (a terrible flaw in the spec, if you ask me), so the >> filter >> has to create a new copy of the message, and mark the old one for >> deletion. >> So there'll always be a (to be deleted) copy of every message that >> SpamBayes >> (successfully) processes. This even applies to ham messages, which are >> 'copied' to the same folder, so that the SpamBayes headers get added >> (because IMAP also doesn't let you modify an existing message, other than >> the flags). Looking forward to your ideas on this. PCM @ WORK (Paul Michali) From JBenzaia at americasys.com Wed Apr 21 08:48:44 2004 From: JBenzaia at americasys.com (John Benzaia III) Date: Wed Apr 21 08:41:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Can I configure spambayes to run manually? Message-ID: Question, When I open Outlook, sometimes (especially when syncing remote mail) it takes awhile for Outlook to open completely as it is waiting for spambayes to do its thing. Is there a manual setting that I can use to run spambayes after I have opened outlook and synced my mail already? 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I added this section to the default_bayes_customize.ini file under Documents and Settings\{Username}\Application Data\Spambayes: [General] data_directory: h:\spam\spambayes However, when I log back into Outlook 2002, choose Spambayes Manager-->Advanced>Show Data Folder, it still points to Documents and Settings\{Username}\Application Data\Spambayes I added the entry to the default_bayes_customize.ini file under Program Files\Spambayes with the same results. I added the entry to the {profile name}.ini file under Documents and Settings\{Username}\Application Data\Spambayes and noticed that it still points to the same location but it removes the value for the data_directory entry. Please tell me what I'm doing wrong. Thanx Steven R. 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If your questions were not answered here, or you were not successful at unsubscribing yourself, please use your "reply" button to respond to this email, then change the subject line of this email to "help." Please keep all previous correspondence attached, and include the details of your request in the message text. If your question is not about this mailing that you received, please write iVillage's Customer Support team at feedback@mail.ivillage.com Original Message Follows: ------------------------ lovely, :-) [ Attachment 1.2 Type: text/plain] From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 21 20:14:27 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:14:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Change data_directory location In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF6439@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CA1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Using 1.0b1 Outlook plugin(just upgraded) and I want to define the > location for the data directory. I added this section to the > default_bayes_customize.ini file under Documents and > Settings\{Username}\Application Data\Spambayes: > > [General] > data_directory: h:\spam\spambayes You need to add this to a file called "default_configuration.ini" in either that directory or the one SpamBayes was installed into. Putting it in the default_bayes_customize.ini file is wrong because: * That file is *only* for customizing the underlying SpamBayes engine (it's exactly like the non-Outlook versions). Nothing Outlook specific goes in there. * The {profile name}.ini or Outlook.ini file that should also be in that directory *is* for Outlook customization, but is loaded *after* any data directory moves. > Please tell me what I'm doing wrong. This is a very common error when trying to do this. If you could suggest some way that the configuration guide could be rewritten to make it clearer what needs to be done, that would be fantastic. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 21 20:21:35 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:21:57 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] weird error In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF641C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BB2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > At any rate, I tried installing the software on an NT 4 > computer today with Outlook 2000 and the install went OK, > but the Spam Bayes add-in doesn't get installed. I went > to the command line and tried to force register the DLL as > described in the troubleshooting guide, but I get the following error. There's some issue with installing on NT 4 machines, but I'm really not all that clear on what it is, and I no longer have access to one to try things out. Hopefully Mark will have a burst through the bug reports soon and have a crack at this. The relevant bug report is: [ 900703 ] still won't install You can add details to that if you like (even just adding the fact that you also have the problem is valuable information). Things you can try: * Be sure that you're using the most recent version (1.0b1) of the installer (you didn't say which version you were using). * There are apparently issues with some dll's on NT, although I don't really know all the details. This helped some people, but not everyone. See for more information. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 21 20:24:49 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:26:01 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] addin won't load for this user In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF63E7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CA3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I am emailing your from a user whose SpamBytes addin > will not load. > > I have reinstalled twice with no luck. > > I am attaching all logfiles from this user. What do you mean by "will not load"? The log files show that you've managed to do training, and you've managed to successfully filter at least 5 messages. That sounds like it's loading to me. Did it once work and now doesn't? (There's nothing in the logs to indicate this). Does something in particular not work? Check to see if Outlook has disabled the plugin (this can happen with Outlook 2002/XP and above): From the Outlook Help menu, choose "About Microsoft Outlook", then click "Disabled Items" and see if SpamBayes is there (and re-enable it if it is). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 21 20:29:34 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:30:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spammers try to get around BAYES spam filters - withexample In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF6379@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CA4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > i noticed that there is increasingly SPAM with a small > amount of SPAM text and a large amount of unsuspicious > text (in HTML formatted mail in extremely small font or > in a font color same as background). > > The result is a very low SPAM rating and a high likelyhood > for the message to get through. > Unfortunately, I don't really have an idea how to address > this. I attach one example. I see the occasional one of these (getting through) - enough that I have vague plans to look into this at some point (maybe trying to adapt the Bayesian Dobly ideas), but not many. The only effective way to give us an example, though, is to include the clues for the message. If you're using the Outlook plug-in, this means selecting the message (before training on it), and choosing "Show Spam Clues for current message" from the SpamBayes menu. This creates a new message that you can send to the list. With the clues, we can discuss *why* it's scoring what it is. Without the clues, it's rather meaningless to do this. For example, your message (with all the "this is from the spambayes list" clues and your text) scored 8% for me, when messages from this list tend to score 0%. So it looks fairly spammy to me. The clues would tell us why it doesn't to you. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 21 20:35:09 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:36:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Can I configure spambayes to run manually? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF6341@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BB3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > When I open Outlook, sometimes (especially when > syncing remote mail) it takes awhile for Outlook to > open completely as it is waiting for spambayes to do > its thing. Is this a delay while SpamBayes filters mail (avoidable) or while SpamBayes loads (not avoidable)? If the latter, then maybe you could reduce the size of your databases? Some people have massive databases (10's or 100's of thousands of trained messages) when a small database (a few hundred messages) works better, *and* faster (judging on all the testing I've seen). Perhaps disabling the "background filtering" option ("Advanced" tab in the SpamBayes manager dialog) would help? Note that (unless your rules are running on an Exchange server) this may cause (minor) troubles if you have Outlook rules that move incoming mail about. > Is there a manual setting that I can use to run spambayes > after I have opened outlook and synced my mail already? > (Instead of it running upon outlook startup) You can stop SpamBayes filtering automatically, yes (but unless you uninstall it, or disabled it with Outlook, it will still *load*, which means loading the databases). Untick the "Enable SpamBayes" box in the Manager dialog. To run manually, choose the "Filter messages" item from the SpamBayes menu. Choose the folder(s) you want to filter, and away you go. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 21 20:45:32 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:45:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes not automatically filtering in Outlook 2000 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF631A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CA6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Hi, I'm a long time Spambayes user but recently rebuilt my > machine. Now Spambayes does not run automatically. Everything > suggests that it should be doing so but it isn't - I have to > run the filter manually. In the Manager dialog (from the SpamBayes menu) is the "Enable SpamBayes" box ticked? If it's not then tick it. If it's greyed out, then there should be an explanation of why in the status box above it. If nothing works (even the SpamBayes menu) then Outlook has probably disabled SpamBayes (this tends to happen particularly when you update Outlook); this is relevant for Outlook 2002/XP and above (OL2K doesn't appear to have this 'feature'). From the Outlook Help menu, choose "About Microsoft Outlook" and click "Disabled Items". Check to see if SpamBayes is there (and if it is, enable it again). Otherwise, your log file would really help (us) here. The troubleshooting guide explains where to find that. A copy of the troubleshooting guide can be reached from the SpamBayes Help menu (if it works); I think a copy is also installed in the Start menu (could be wrong), and one is certainly in the folder you installed SpamBayes into. If all else fails, there's one online: Find the log and attach it to a message to the list, and we'll look into it. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 21 20:54:42 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:55:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Amazing sloth In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304830103@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CA7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> (I think maybe I wasn't wrong about channelling other people's problems... ) > Here's a weird one, w/ Outlook 2000 and the addin from > not-so-recent-anymore CVS. I decided to start over from > scratch today, so have a new(Berkeley) DB. This is with Outlook 2002 (SP2) and the addin also from not-so-recent-anymore CVS. I also started over (see the spambayes-dev message) from scratch today with a new (Berkeley) DB. Specifically, I just trashed the old database files (while Outlook was closed) and started training as things arrived in the unsure folder. > It's taking the addin from 4 to 10 seconds to score each(!) > message. That's whether it's new incoming email, or via the > "Filter messages ..." menu item, or via a single "Show spam > clues". It's mind-numbingly slow. And, no surprise since you've read this far, I found this too. Bizarre. > While a message is being scored, Outlook is unresponsive to > keyboard or mouse input, but the process is using very little > CPU (typically a fraction of a percent, with very brief > spikes). So it's waiting on *something*, but don't know what. > > Nothing odd in the PythonWin Trace Collector display. Ran > scanpst on all the relevant .pst files -- no problems. The > sloth persists after restarting Outlook, and after a reboot. > No other Outlook operations have slowed, just SpamBayes. All of this applies to my experience as well, although I didn't try scanpst (I don't know if I have it, and since it didn't do Tim any good, it probably wouldn't have helped me anyway). > Two hours later: Heh ;). I didn't spend two hours on it, though. I remembered Tim's message and so after about 5 minutes just started with new db's again. > The sloth went away then, just as mysteriously and > dramatically as it appeared. Outlook remained open the entire time: > > extremely slow > retrain on 5 new ham and 5 new spam from scratch > zippy again I started afresh (from training 1 ham and 9 spam) also, but in the same way as before - close Outlook, move aside slow db's and start Outlook again. Also zippy once again. > So no clues, just bizarre symptoms. If it happens to you, > don't be an idiot like I just was: save the .db file before > retraining the problem away (it's the only relevant thing I > can think of that changed). Normally I would have done just that, but I recalled this message (me who struggles to remember what I had for dinner last night! ) and so have it zipped away for analysis. So, I offer it up to anyone interested in looking into it, or offer myself up to spend time looking into it if someone can suggest ways of doing that. I don't really know where to start. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 21 21:26:14 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 21 21:26:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Filtering Spam In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF632F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CAC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > - SpamBayes was running correctly > - Suddenly it started not to find any more spam so > I decided to make an update. As that died?t help, I > uninstalled and installed it again, new tarining etc > - It does "find" spams (see the attached log file) but > it does not move the message into the selected folders. > - It does not move any spam-message at all, although it finds "them" Unfortunately what was attached wasn't a log file, but the 'spam clues' for a particular message. That did, indeed, score 100% for you, which means it should have been moved. The troubleshooting guide explains where to find the log file, or if you click the "Diagnostics" button on the "Advanced" tab of the Manager dialog, there is a button there to get it. Make sure you do this *after* you have opened Outlook (each time you open it is a new log) and mail has failed to move. I suspect that something is wrong with the folder you're trying to move it to. Have you deleted this folder, perhaps? In that case, just go to the "Filtering" tab of the Manager dialog, click Browse, and select the folder you want spam to be moved to. Note that if you do delete the folder and then create one with the same name, that doesn't work (Outlook doesn't track folders by name, it has other ways). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tim.one at comcast.net Wed Apr 21 22:01:13 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Wed Apr 21 22:01:22 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Amazing sloth In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CA7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: [Tim, from a while ago] >> Here's a weird one, w/ Outlook 2000 and the addin from >> not-so-recent-anymore CVS. I decided to start over from >> scratch today, so have a new (Berkeley) DB. [Tony Meyer] > This is with Outlook 2002 (SP2) and the addin also from > not-so-recent-anymore CVS. I also started over (see the spambayes-dev > message) from scratch today with a new (Berkeley) DB. Specifically, > I just trashed the old database files (while Outlook was closed) and > started training as things arrived in the unsure folder. >> It's taking the addin from 4 to 10 seconds to score each(!) >> message. That's whether it's new incoming email, or via the >> "Filter messages ..." menu item, or via a single "Show spam >> clues". It's mind-numbingly slow. > And, no surprise since you've read this far, I found this too. > Bizarre. I should mention that it happened two more times for me after starting over from scratch, with very few msgs trained on each time (certainly less than 50 total). At that point I got a new box with a gigabyte of RAM, and switched to using a giant pickled dict instead. Much faster scoring, no problems, but much slower Outlook startup time and incremental training times. >> While a message is being scored, Outlook is unresponsive to >> keyboard or mouse input, but the process is using very little >> CPU (typically a fraction of a percent, with very brief >> spikes). So it's waiting on *something*, but don't know what. >> >> Nothing odd in the PythonWin Trace Collector display. Ran >> scanpst on all the relevant .pst files -- no problems. The >> sloth persists after restarting Outlook, and after a reboot. >> No other Outlook operations have slowed, just SpamBayes. > All of this applies to my experience as well, although I didn't try > scanpst (I don't know if I have it, and since it didn't do Tim any > good, it probably wouldn't have helped me anyway). Whenever you see reference to the "Inbox Repair Tool", it means scanpst.exe. I'm amazed that MS continues to make this thing so hard to find: .pst files routinely get corrupted in minor and major ways by Outlook (whether or not SpamBayes is installed), and scanpst.exe finds at least one problem in my .pst files every day(!). You have scanpst.exe, but you may have to search your disk to find it. > Heh ;). I didn't spend two hours on it, though. I remembered Tim's > message and so after about 5 minutes just started with new db's again. >> The sloth went away then, just as mysteriously and >> dramatically as it appeared. Outlook remained open the entire time: >> >> extremely slow >> retrain on 5 new ham and 5 new spam from scratch >> zippy again > I started afresh (from training 1 ham and 9 spam) also, but in the > same way as before - close Outlook, move aside slow db's and start > Outlook again. Also zippy once again. >> So no clues, just bizarre symptoms. If it happens to you, >> don't be an idiot like I just was: save the .db file before >> retraining the problem away (it's the only relevant thing I >> can think of that changed). > Normally I would have done just that, but I recalled this message (me > who struggles to remember what I had for dinner last night! ) > and so have it zipped away for analysis. > > So, I offer it up to anyone interested in looking into it, or offer > myself up to spend time looking into it if someone can suggest ways > of doing that. I don't really know where to start. Since I moved to a giant pickled dict, I don't care anymore <0.5 wink>. An interesting experiment would be to open it directly from a non-SpamBayes Python program, and just time lookups and inserts. There was a disturbing Python bug report against bsddb that I closed as hopeless: http://www.python.org/sf/881522 This was about a huge slowdown in shelve after several thousands of keys had been added. There were strong hints that the huge slowdown was specific to the combination of: "a modern" bsddb (after the ancient 1.85) Windows the hash flavor of bsddb There were also hints that the BTree flavor of bsddb was faster than the hash flavor, independent of the mystery-slowdown in the hash flavor. Since we experienced Amazing Sloth under different versions of Outlook, and very different OSes, my top guess has to be that the fault is in the dbhash flavor of bsddb. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 21 23:35:27 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 21 23:36:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Unspecified Error In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF6060@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CB1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > After reading over all the documentation and such...I am > still reciving a MsgStoreException: Exception 0x80004005 > error. Hmm. I'm having trouble finding anything about this. Have you tried simply redoing your SpamBayes configuration? It looks like there's some trouble accessing an Outlook folder, so maybe try one on a different store (i.e. different pst file, not on Exchange/Hotmail, etc). Does Outlook's Detect and Repair help at all? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From matthieu at t-online.de Wed Apr 21 23:51:27 2004 From: matthieu at t-online.de (ernie) Date: Thu Apr 22 00:02:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] mypresent Message-ID: <200404220402.i3M42CuP020113@mxzilla6.xs4all.nl> ?????? ??? ????? ? ?????? ????????? ??????? ??????????. ????? ????????? ?????????? ??????????????? ?? www.mypresent.ru ???????? ????? ???????? ????????? ????? ? ???????????? ? ????? ???? ? ????? ????????. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 22 01:16:11 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 22 01:16:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Amazing sloth In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF6565@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CB3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I should mention that it happened two more times for me after > starting over from scratch, with very few msgs trained on > each time (certainly less than 50 total). Yay, something to look forward to . I've managed to get up to 11 ham and 11 spam without any problems, though. [...] > You have scanpst.exe, but you may > have to search your disk to find it. Indeed I did. It was in C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\Mapi\1033. Of course. > Since I moved to a giant pickled dict, I don't care anymore > <0.5 wink>. I suppose I do (assuming it may happen to me again), since I don't really want to switch to a pickled dict, because I open and close Outlook reasonably often, and have other uses for my (much smaller) memory. > An interesting experiment would be to open it > directly from a non-SpamBayes Python program, and just time > lookups and inserts. Lookups don't appear to be affected at all, but inserts definitely are. I've tried really simple (just multiple insertions) tests comparing a new database, a database around the same size (which is about 5500 keys), the slow database, and another Berkeley db with the same data (exporting the slow one to text and then using that to create a new db) in case it was just some quirk of entry order or the file itself. There doesn't seem to be any difference between the dbs with the same data, but they are 3 to 4 times slower than either the new db or the similarly sized one. This is with Python 2.3.3 and bsddb or Python 2.2.3 and bsddb3. Playing around with creating dbs of the same size doesn't seem to be getting me any closer to creating another database with this odd effect. I realise that you don't have time to look into this, but any chance you have further suggestions about how I might investigate it? > There was a disturbing Python bug report against bsddb that I > closed as hopeless: > > http://www.python.org/sf/881522 I read this, and it does seem like it could be related, but I'm not sure how to test that :) =Tony Meyer From Amir_Katz at bmc.com Thu Apr 22 02:36:40 2004 From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir) Date: Thu Apr 22 02:53:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Clues: Missing the obvious spam Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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Kevin Z. Peekay Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 5:25 PM To: Kris Butt; spambayes@python.org Cc: Kevin Zahourek Subject: RE: [Spambayes] addin won't load for this user > I am emailing your from a user whose SpamBytes addin > will not load. > > I have reinstalled twice with no luck. > > I am attaching all logfiles from this user. What do you mean by "will not load"? The log files show that you've managed to do training, and you've managed to successfully filter at least 5 messages. That sounds like it's loading to me. Did it once work and now doesn't? (There's nothing in the logs to indicate this). Does something in particular not work? Check to see if Outlook has disabled the plugin (this can happen with Outlook 2002/XP and above): From the Outlook Help menu, choose "About Microsoft Outlook", then click "Disabled Items" and see if SpamBayes is there (and re-enable it if it is). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From Harold.Vandeventer at dpra.com Thu Apr 22 13:04:01 2004 From: Harold.Vandeventer at dpra.com (Harold Vandeventer) Date: Thu Apr 22 13:04:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] addin won't load for this user Message-ID: <710C39AC5BC90648B3CA31DC47D11116015EA991@mhk02.ad.dpra.com> I'm running .81/Outlook 2002-SP2/XP on a couple of clients without problems; neither one of them has SpamBayes listed in the Com Add-ins. ____________________________________ Harold Vandeventer Network Administrator DPRA Incorporated 200 Research Dr Manhattan, KS 66503 Voice: (785) 539-3565 ext 1026 FAX: (785) 537-0272 -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Zahourek [mailto:kevin@peekay.com] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:39 AM To: Tony Meyer; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] addin won't load for this user Good morning Tony. Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I guess I wasn't too informative; I'll try again. What I meant to say is when I look in "COM Add-Ins" in Advanced Options from "Tools-->Options-->Other tab-->", the SpamBytes Add-in is not listed. Also, looking in "Disabled Items" in "About Microsoft Outlook", SpamBytes is not listed with all the other items. Following the instructions in "Troubleshooting", it suggested to reload SpamBytes, which I've done twice. Hope this clarifies things. If not, let me know what other information you need. Thanks again. Kevin Z. Peekay Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 5:25 PM To: Kris Butt; spambayes@python.org Cc: Kevin Zahourek Subject: RE: [Spambayes] addin won't load for this user > I am emailing your from a user whose SpamBytes addin > will not load. > > I have reinstalled twice with no luck. > > I am attaching all logfiles from this user. What do you mean by "will not load"? The log files show that you've managed to do training, and you've managed to successfully filter at least 5 messages. That sounds like it's loading to me. Did it once work and now doesn't? (There's nothing in the logs to indicate this). Does something in particular not work? Check to see if Outlook has disabled the plugin (this can happen with Outlook 2002/XP and above): From the Outlook Help menu, choose "About Microsoft Outlook", then click "Disabled Items" and see if SpamBayes is there (and re-enable it if it is). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From EAFVTFI at msn.com Sat Apr 24 07:52:50 2004 From: EAFVTFI at msn.com (Tanner Blair) Date: Thu Apr 22 13:57:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] www.webpiraten.com Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040424/cf6d45c7/attachment.html From administrator at comune.verona.it Thu Apr 22 14:34:08 2004 From: administrator at comune.verona.it (administrator@comune.verona.it) Date: Thu Apr 22 14:34:14 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Virus Alert - ScanMail for Lotus Notes --> Hello Message-ID: ScanMail ha bloccato la Sua posta infetta. Date: 04/22/2004 08:34:08 PM Subject: Hello Virus: WORM_NETSKY.P File: patch3425.zip From: spambayes@python.org To: nevr.comunevr@comune.verona.it Action: Blocked; Scanned by ScanMail for Lotus Notes 2.6 with scanengine 6.510-1002 and patternfile lpt$vpn.859 From fgranger at altern.org Thu Apr 22 16:21:28 2004 From: fgranger at altern.org (Fran=?ISO-8859-1?B?5w==?=ois Granger) Date: Thu Apr 22 16:21:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Clues: Missing the obvious spam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Le 22/04/04 8:36, ??Katz, Amir?? a ?crit?: > I got this mail with the subject "how big is your p**is" (w/o the asterisks) > and it scored only 87% and thus went into the 'unsure' folder. If I were > SpamBayes (:-) I would give it 110% immediately just because of the P word. > Any comments? Results from my database below: (for my database "small" is more important than "penis" ;-) > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Combined Score: 87% (0.874382) > > Internal ham score (*H*): 0.251129 > Internal spam score (*S*): 0.999893 Spam probability: 99.29% (0.992941904799). Clues: (29) Word Probability Times in ham Times in spam *H* 0.000652 - - *S* 0.986536 - - x-mailer:internet mail service (5.5.2653.19) 0.091837 2 0 re: 0.252689 5 2 sent: 0.347699 6 4 content-type:text/plain 0.363413 117 86 to: 0.36388 11 8 from: 0.379662 9 7 message----- 0.388487 5 4 url:www 0.603918 33 65 solution 0.640935 6 14 sender:none 0.64432 62 145 your 0.649876 30 72 url: 0.677069 11 30 charset:windows-1252 0.713699 3 10 url:us 0.774425 1 5 content-type:multipart/alternative 0.80156 11 58 content-type:text/html 0.824829 16 98 1:14 0.844828 0 1 enlargement: 0.844828 0 1 size: 0.844828 0 1 to:no real name:2**2 0.844828 0 1 url:1v3 0.844828 0 1 url:b 0.844828 0 1 url:vcrx 0.844828 0 1 penis 0.934783 0 3 small 0.958716 0 5 subject:your 0.965116 0 6 to:2**3 0.969799 0 7 From ceuzig at sentoo.sn Thu Apr 22 17:39:55 2004 From: ceuzig at sentoo.sn (jean-marie vermot) Date: Thu Apr 22 17:40:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] pare-feu contre les spasmes Message-ID: <000801c428b2$5de20600$094f9ad5@SEBASTIEN> je voudrais n?tre prot?g? contre les spasmes qui g?nent l'utilisation de mon ordinateur. Que dois-je faire? Merci jean-marie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040422/61f8a17e/attachment.html From pcm at cisco.com Thu Apr 22 18:18:43 2004 From: pcm at cisco.com (Paul Michali) Date: Thu Apr 22 18:18:53 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problems getting started with IMAP... In-Reply-To: <40865CF9.8080805@cisco.com> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BAF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <4085E70C.9040109@cisco.com> <40865CF9.8080805@cisco.com> Message-ID: <408844C3.2040801@cisco.com> Tony, I did some hacking of the code and I think I have something that gets around the one major problem that I had. Here's a summary of what I did, please let me know if you think there is any problem with this solution. What I was seeing was that the mail client would see the new messages, I would deleted, move, read them and then a few minutes later, they would all re-appear in my inbox as unread. My theory is that the mail client gets the messages and before the changes that the mail client does to them (moving, marked as read, deleting), the imapfilter runs and classifies the messages and this updates them in my mail client (either when I click on get new messages, or when the next 10 minute poll happens). What I changed in the code, was I allowed another option "ham_folder" and in the classifying code, I move all ham to this folder. Now, mail comes into my inbox and within two minutes, it gets moved to the spam, ham, or unsure folders. I always read from the ham folder and not the inbox. One problem that I see, is that I may not get an indication from my mail client that there is "new" mail, as it may already have been moved to the ham folder, before the client polls for new messages. Not a big issue. The other thing is I'm seeing that the imapfilter process is exiting occasionally. I'm running it with the -v and in the foreground to see if I can see what causes it to exit. Please let me know, if you think i can do this differently, or if you have any questions. I can send you the code changes, but they are trivial, and I don't know Python, so...you may want to just use the idea. Also, how do I precompile? a Python library? I see that there is a Options.py and Options.pyc and I had to change the .py, but I don't know how to create the .pyc file. I'm assuming this is a precomiled script? Lastly, I still have the problem where I cannot see any statistics. If I run the imapfilter script with the "-b" option (with or without the one running to train/classify), and I click on the "More Statistics" It shows this output: >> 500 Server error >> >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> >> File "/users/pcm/lib/python/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 461, in >> found_terminator >> getattr(plugin, name)(**params) >> >> File "/users/pcm/lib/python/spambayes/UserInterface.py", line 1016, >> in onStats >> s = Stats.Stats() >> >> File "/users/pcm/lib/python/spambayes/Stats.py", line 42, in __init__ >> self.CalculateStats() >> >> File "/users/pcm/lib/python/spambayes/Stats.py", line 58, in >> CalculateStats >> for msg in msginfoDB.db.keys(): >> >> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'keys' It would be nice to see how well the filtering is working. If this is not possible via the web interface, is there a command line way to get the info? Thanks again for your help... PCM @ WORK (Paul Michali) From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 22 19:31:40 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 22 19:32:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Clues: Missing the obvious spam In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF65EF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BB8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > If I were SpamBayes (:-) I would give it 110% immediately > just because of the P word. Any comments? Of course, that's both the weakness and the strength of a statistical approach. For any given person, "penis" could be as much of a ham clue as a spam one. (*Somebody* must be buying those enhancers, or where does the money come from? <0.5 wink>). You'll note that "penis" was a very strong spam clue for you, but it was balanced by some weak ham clues. For me it scores 100%, but then I only started training afresh yesterday, so that might be somewhat meaningless. (Neither "penis" or "small" matter to me...). Note also that I have bigrams turned on, and slurp_urls (although that wasn't used). > # ham trained on: 964 > # spam trained on: 3270 [...] > '1:14' 0.213647 8 7 I suspect this may have an influencing effect. It's not that high a ratio (~ 1::3), but "1:14" has been in almost the same number of ham and spam trained and is a quite strong ham clue. I think that the next major win for SpamBayes might end up being a solution to the imbalance issue. It's possible that this even might be some sort of "train to exhaustion" method, since that implicitly keeps the database balanced. In any case, 87% is pretty high. Would you even get any false positives if you set your spam threshold to 80%? Mine is 80.5% (the .5 is there from a time a while back when I was testing the ability to have fractional thresholds), and it does well for me. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From phil.pierotti at swiftdsl.com.au Thu Apr 22 19:32:56 2004 From: phil.pierotti at swiftdsl.com.au (Phil Pierotti) Date: Thu Apr 22 19:33:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SPAM on the LIST ??!!?? Message-ID: <40885628.7050906@swiftdsl.com.au> On this email account, 40-50% of the SPAM I receive is stuff that has been sent TO spambayes@python.org (sigh) Oh The Irony! Phil P From phil.pierotti at swiftdsl.com.au Thu Apr 22 19:43:45 2004 From: phil.pierotti at swiftdsl.com.au (Phil Pierotti) Date: Thu Apr 22 19:43:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Clues: Missing the obvious spam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <408858B1.7010106@swiftdsl.com.au> > I got this mail with the subject "how big is your p**is" (w/o the > asterisks) and it scored only 87% and thus went into the 'unsure' > folder. If I were SpamBayes (:-) I would give it 110% immediately > just because of the P word. Any comments? I'm a UROLOGIST*. I use SpamBayes (I HATE SPAM). I get the-5-letter-P-word in legitimate emails all the time, every day, like it's my job (because, it IS my job). If SpamBayes were to automatically (ie programmatically, as opposed to "as a result of training") can those emails as SPAM, it would be worse than useless to me. ---- "One mans meat is another mans poison" Obviously you do not normally receive emails mentioning the male genitalia (seriously, not many people do). Some people do, often, regularly, and "as part of their normal stream of email". Automatically turfing it as SPAM is NOT a valid assumption for everyone. (ie leave it up to training, rather than forcing assuptions that aren't valid) Phil P ------ * (actually, I'm a dog, trying to make a legitimate and valid point) From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 22 22:05:36 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 22 22:06:03 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] addin won't load for this user In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF6778@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CBD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I'm running .81/Outlook 2002-SP2/XP on a couple of clients > without problems; neither one of them has SpamBayes listed in > the Com Add-ins. FWIW, this was a bug with 0.81, which was fixed (in CVS on the 8th of December, and so in the 1.0a9 (0.9) release). In addition, anyone that manually registers 1.0a9/1.0b1 for all users, rather than the default (just the current user) won't see it in the add-ins list either. It's a quirk of Outlook, and shouldn't cause any problems. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 22 22:11:05 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 22 22:11:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] pare-feu contre les spasmes In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF682B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CBE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > je voudrais n?tre prot?g? contre les spasmes qui > g?nent l'utilisation de mon ordinateur. > Que dois-je faire? Which I believe is roughly "I would like to have some sort of spam filtering. What do I do?". If you install SpamBayes, it can filter your mail for you. You need to download the installer (from ) and run it (this assumes Microsoft Windows - if you are using a different operating system, you will need to manually install the software). There is various documentation with the installer, but it is all in English, so if you can not read that, you may have difficulty. If I recall correctly, POPFile has various translations, so you might be better off with that. . Si vous installez SpamBayes, il peut filtrer votre courrier pour vous. Vous devez t?l?charger l'installateur (de . Veuillez excuser les Fran?ais traduits par ordinateur. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. Veuillez inclure toujours la liste (spambayes@python.org) dans vos r?ponses (r?pondre-toutes), et svp don't m'envoient le courrier personnel au sujet de SpamBayes. De cette fa?on, vous obtenez l'aide d'everyone's, et ?vitez un manque de r?ponses quand I'm occup?. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 22 22:14:13 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 22 22:14:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SPAM on the LIST ??!!?? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF6872@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CBF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > On this email account, 40-50% of the SPAM I receive is stuff that has > been sent TO spambayes@python.org > > (sigh) Oh The Irony! This is becoming a FAQ :) The problem here is that it is quite common to discuss spam on this list - people saying "why did this score x?", and that sort of thing. It would be extremely difficult for a filter to distinguish between quoting and (short) discussion of spam, and spam itself, without making mistakes in a lot of other places. The other solution would be to change things so that you have to be subscribed to post to the list - but this would make it harder for people to ask for help, which isn't something that we want to do. Of course, there's a simple solution, which is to simply filter the mail from this list with SpamBayes - most of us do, and it works remarkably well. <0.1 wink> =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 22 22:27:35 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 22 22:28:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] addin won't load for this user In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF676C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CC0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. > > I guess I wasn't too informative; I'll try again. What I > meant to say is when I look in "COM Add-Ins" in Advanced > Options from "Tools-->Options-->Other tab-->", the SpamBytes > Add-in is not listed. The logs indicate that you're using the 0.81 version of the plug-in. If this is the case, then you won't ever see the plug-in in the COM addins list, as this was a bug with that version (fixed in 1.0a9, and still fixed in the latest version - 1.0b1). This shouldn't mean that the plug-in doesn't work, though - and the log files do indicate that the plug-in is being used for both trainin and filtering. Is there anything that isn't actually working? If it's just the fact that it's not in the list, then the only way to fix this is to upgrade to the latest release. If there's a problem with the way SpamBayes is working (or failing to), then please outline what that is, and we'll try to figure out what is wrong. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 23 00:29:51 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 23 00:30:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Filtering Spam In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF664D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BBA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I didn?t delete the folder in the past. To make sure, that > there is nothing wrong with the folder, I now added a new > one, deleted the old and attached the new one in the > SpamBayes Manager via the Browse Button. Unfortunatley it > didn?t help, the program still finds the spam but does not > move them at all. > > I added the logfile , which I saved right after I started > Outlook and again the mail failed to be moved. The log file doesn't contain any error, unfortunately. Is the mail definitely arriving in the "Pers?nlicher Ordner/Posteingang" folder? Do you have the spam field displayed? If not, could you add it (temporarily if you like) as in the Help->About SpamBayes document to the "Pers?nlicher Ordner/Posteingang" folder? Once it is displayed, does the score get entered into the field when mail arrives? If it does then the problem must be something to do with moving the message - if it doesn't, then it's something to do with noticing that the message has arrived and needs filtering. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 23 00:41:27 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 23 00:41:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook sends error report - RESEND In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF6172@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BBB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I haven't seen any responses, so I'm reposting. If this > doesn't receive a response, I won't post again. We are reading these; it just takes a while to answer some (particularly at times like these when all the developers are fairly busy with other work), particularly the more tricky ones, and particularly the ones that need knowledge of how things work, rather than just how to use the software. > That being said, here's my problem. I'm running Windows XP > Pro with SP1 and all the latest updates. I was running > Outlook 2002 with SpamBayes .8x (sorry I don't remember the > exact version). 008/0.8 didn't work (IIRC), and there was only one other - 008.1/0.81, so it would have been that. > I then upgraded to Outlook 2003. Every time > I click any of the toolbar buttons "Delete as Spam" or > "SpamBayes", Outlook closes and asks to send an error report > to Microsoft. I then realized that I probably should have > uninstalled SpamBayes before I upgraded Outlook, so I > completely uninstalled SpamBayes and downloaded the newest > version (1.0b1). However, I'm still having the same issue. Have you tried Outlook's "Detect and Repair" function? (I presume it's still there in Outlook 2003 - I only have 2002). I do know that there are some people who are successfully using both, so it should be possible somehow. > Mail is still being filtered automatically, it's only when I > click a toolbar button that this happens. I've attached the > logs from today and yesterday. The logs are error free unfortunately. These problems are the hardest to solve, because it's not so much something that SpamBayes is doing as something that Outlook is doing (probably). Try deleting the toolbar (right-click, Customize, select, Delete) then reopening Outlook (SpamBayes will automatically recreate it). Does that help? You could also try moving aside the file \Documents and Settings\{username}\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook\outcmd.dat which fixes a lot of toolbar problems. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From blackwellboom at cablespeed.com Thu Apr 22 21:27:55 2004 From: blackwellboom at cablespeed.com (Dana Leng) Date: Fri Apr 23 03:06:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Save m0ney and enjOy 10nger with your every C1A_LIS & LEV_1TRA purchase . Message-ID: <200404230127.i3N1RtWU004097@mxzilla2.xs4all.nl> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040423/4a508b33/attachment.html From snd_pcm_hw_params_set_periods_last at surfar.nu Fri Apr 23 03:10:53 2004 From: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_periods_last at surfar.nu (snd_pcm_hw_params_set_periods_last@surfar.nu) Date: Fri Apr 23 03:14:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes, TONS of piks hes and veedeos waiting 4 u In-Reply-To: <4I6LICE48JDIF7DK@python.org> References: <4I6LICE48JDIF7DK@python.org> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040423/1505e872/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 23 03:55:05 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 23 03:55:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problems getting started with IMAP... In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF6221@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BBC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [End of the week, and I finally get time to look at all of this. Apologies for the delay, and thanks for working through things yourself while I was busy.] > It doesn't seem to see the dbm module, so it must not > be in our installation (Solaris 2.6) and I don't > know much about Python, so I'm not sure how to add it > in. Since the "-p" option works, I'm fine. In some ways the -p option is better, anyway (faster to score, slower to load/train), and you can be fairly certain that you'll avoid any corruption problems, too. > Here's what the browser shows, when I pick the "More > Statistics..." link: [...] > File "/users/pcm/lib/python/spambayes/Stats.py", line 58, in > CalculateStats > for msg in msginfoDB.db.keys(): > > AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'keys' Ah, I think I know what this is - a bug I introduced with 1.0b1 (IIRC that's what you're using) or 1.0a9. It'd probably only be noticeable if you don't have dbm available. Try the following patch to spambayes/message.py: """ --- 205,215 ---- # so that these files don't litter lots of working directories. # Once there is a master db, this option can be removed. message_info_db_name = get_pathname_option("Storage", "messageinfo_storage_fil e") ! if options["Storage", "persistent_use_database"] is True or \ ! options["Storage", "persistent_use_database"] == "dbm": msginfoDB = MessageInfoDB(message_info_db_name) ! elif options["Storage", "persistent_use_database"] is False or \ ! options["Storage", "persistent_use_database"] == "pickle": msginfoDB = MessageInfoPickle(message_info_db_name) class Message(email.Message.Message): """ > The stats would be nice, and training on incoming messages, > like the POP3 one would be awesome! Note that the POP3 proxy does lean towards 'train on everything', which is almost certainly not the best training regime. The IMAP filter probably leans towards 'train on mistakes', which is a reasonable method. Note that you can set the filter to train on the same folders you are filtering/moving spam to, which would mean that training was automatically done on all incoming mail. I suppose a review page, like the POP3 proxy one, could be built that presented the messages that were on the IMAP server. This would be a reasonable chunk of work, though. If you really would like that, then open a feature request and assign it to me, and I'll get to it some day. > Hmm. With IMAP though, when I look into my mail directory on > my machine, I don't see the full messages. It almost looks > like some kind of index or summary? Would I need to move the > messages to a local folder and then "upload" them? If there was a review page style training system for IMAP, then I'd get it to ignore anything local (just like the POP3 one does, in many ways), and ask the server for a list of messages in certain folders. It would then need to download any ones that are used for training. > OK. So I got a message for prescription drugs (love those :^). > It was marked as "unsure" and was placed into my Unsure > folder. I moved it to my Spam folder (used for training). > Now it just sits there and the classification never changes > to "spam". I have to move it to my inbox and then it will > get reclassified and moved to the spam folder. It does get trained as spam, though. I suppose I could add a 'rescore after training' option. Would that be useful? > Here's what I'll try: > > ham_train_folders:INBOX.Bayesian.MarkAsHam > move_trained_ham_to_folder:INBOX > spam_folder:INBOX.Bayesian.Spam > spam_train_folders:INBOX.Bayesian.MarkAsSpam > move_trained_spam_to_folder:INBOX.Bayesian.Spam > unsure_folder:INBOX.Bayesian.Unsure > filter_folders:INBOX This looks fine. > Is there a option for "ham_folder"? I'm just wondering if > I should have the Inbox filtered to a Ham, Spam, or Unsure > folder, rather than having the Inbox filtered every 10 > minutes, since I tyically leave messages in the Inbox for > a while (which I could in this case, leave them in the > Ham folder). Is there a better way than what I have here? I've wondered about a 'ham folder'. The IMAP filter is modelled loosely on the Outlook plug-in, and people occasionally ask for a 'ham folder' there, too. It would be easy enough to add this, so if you think it would be a good option, then, again, open a feature request and assign it to me. I'd get to this before I got to the above. > It seems, and I haven't verified it yet, that when the filter > is running, I can only see the headers from my client. For > example, clicking on the message wont show the body. Once > the filter goes to sleep, I can access the message. [...] > Verified. I cannot see the message bodies in the Inbox, when > the sb_imapfilter.py is running (once it sleeps it allows my > client to see the folder). Interesting. I'm not sure why this would be. Maybe the server locks the folder in some way? Does this cause any problems? [New messages appearing] > What I changed in the code, was I allowed another option > "ham_folder" and in the classifying code, I move all ham to > this folder. Now, mail comes into my inbox and within two > minutes, it gets moved to the spam, ham, or unsure folders. I > always read from the ham folder and not the inbox. I suspect that your reasoning is correct, and apart from simply having imap filter execute more often, the ham_folder option may be the best solution. Since this does fix it, it sounds good to me. > >> I also had one case where a message was in > >> my INBOX, I read it and replied to the sender. [...] > >> When I looked > >> back at the INBOX a few minutes later, the message > >> was gone! Ouch! > > > > I presume it was filtered and classified as unsure/spam? > > I don't think it was, as it was in my Inbox and not in my > Spam or Unsure folder. [...] > I can try a -l 1 later on and see what happens. I haven't > seen a message lost since, but I do see this message > appears as new twice thing, all the time. Let me know if this does happen again. I don't know why a message would vanish, unless somehow it was meant to be moved and the old version got deleted but creation of the new one failed. Imapfilter should crash in that case, though, which would make it obvious (and the crash should come *before* the deletion part, too). > I guess what I was asking was that if a message was classified > and then a new copy of the message was created, say marked as > Spam, and the original was still there marked as deleted, should > I be able to see the original message somewhere (trash)? I > don't see the message anywhere. I have my client configured to > "when I delete a message, move it to the trash folder". I'm > just trying to see if there is a way to recover that message > that was lost. Hmm. I don't know enough about how Netscape presents IMAP mail. What happens on the server is that the message stays were it is, but is marked as deleted. You later do an 'expunge' and all those messages are deleted. Do you end up with lots of duplicate messages in your trash? If so, then I guess that Netscape is simply presenting all the 'marked as deleted' messages. If not, then I guess it's actually copying the message to a 'trash' folder. If the latter, then as long as an expunge hasn't been run (i.e. automatically by Netscape), the message is still there. Somehow you should be able to convince Netscape to let you see the messages that are marked for deletion. Alternatively, do you have any other way of (temporarily) connecting to the IMAP server? (i.e. another mail client, webmail, something like that?) > It "seems" like I can run a second instance of > sb_imapfilter.py with the -b option. I'm not sure if they interact. I think they've both got the databases open, though, and we don't really make any effort at the moment to avoid any conflicts. I think adding an option to serve the interface while imapfilter is running with -l would be good. I've opened a feature request for this, and will add it at some point. > One problem that I see, is that I may not get an > indication from my mail client that there is "new" > mail, as it may already have been moved to the ham > folder, before the client polls for new messages. Not > a big issue. Won't Netscape tell you that there's new mail in the 'ham' folder? > The other thing is I'm seeing that the imapfilter process > is exiting occasionally. I'm running it with the -v and > in the foreground to see if I can see what causes it to > exit. If it does exit, it should do so with a traceback. Let me know what it is, and I should be able to fix it. > Please let me know, if you think i can do this differently, > or if you have any questions. I can send you the code > changes, but they are trivial, and I don't know Python, > so...you may want to just use the idea. Code is good. Even if it just saves me five minutes :) Given that it should be (and you say it is) trivial, then you've probably done it how I would, anyway. > Also, how do I > precompile? a Python library? I see that there is a > Options.py and Options.pyc and I had to change the .py, but I > don't know how to create the .pyc file. I'm assuming this is > a precomiled script? The .pyc files are the .py compiled into Python bytecode. This happens automatically (it's handled by python itself). The .pyc files are worthless, really, since they just get recreated on the fly as necessary. It's safe to ignore them except under very unusual circumstances. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From info at companionsoftware.com Fri Apr 23 06:01:22 2004 From: info at companionsoftware.com (info@companionsoftware.com) Date: Fri Apr 23 05:58:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Mail Delivery (failure spambayes@python.org) Message-ID: <200404230958.i3N9wPPJ061306@mxzilla1.xs4all.nl> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What happens is, that the incoming message is added to my normal folder and there gets no score added in the new field. That means, that it doesn?t realizize that there has a message arrived. What can I do about this? And how does it come that these messages get a spam clue , although the new field is emty. Do these things work separately? When I move the message to my spam folder via the button "delete as spam" the message gets a score added into the field (in that spam folder). Can you help me solve my problem? Thank you again! Thomas Becker -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Gesendet: Freitag, 23. April 2004 06:30 An: 'Thomas Becker' Cc: spambayes@python.org Betreff: RE: [Spambayes] Filtering Spam > I didn?t delete the folder in the past. To make sure, that > there is nothing wrong with the folder, I now added a new > one, deleted the old and attached the new one in the > SpamBayes Manager via the Browse Button. Unfortunatley it > didn?t help, the program still finds the spam but does not > move them at all. > > I added the logfile , which I saved right after I started > Outlook and again the mail failed to be moved. The log file doesn't contain any error, unfortunately. Is the mail definitely arriving in the "Pers?nlicher Ordner/Posteingang" folder? Do you have the spam field displayed? If not, could you add it (temporarily if you like) as in the Help->About SpamBayes document to the "Pers?nlicher Ordner/Posteingang" folder? Once it is displayed, does the score get entered into the field when mail arrives? If it does then the problem must be something to do with moving the message - if it doesn't, then it's something to do with noticing that the message has arrived and needs filtering. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From pcm at cisco.com Fri Apr 23 07:38:33 2004 From: pcm at cisco.com (Paul Michali) Date: Fri Apr 23 07:38:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problems getting started with IMAP... In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BBC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BBC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <40890039.3010703@cisco.com> Tony Meyer wrote: > [End of the week, and I finally get time to look at all of this. Apologies > for the delay, and thanks for working through things yourself while I was > busy.] Hey, it's the least I could do :^) >>Here's what the browser shows, when I pick the "More >>Statistics..." link: > > [...] > >> File "/users/pcm/lib/python/spambayes/Stats.py", line 58, in >>CalculateStats >> for msg in msginfoDB.db.keys(): >> >>AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'keys' > > > Ah, I think I know what this is - a bug I introduced with 1.0b1 (IIRC that's > what you're using) or 1.0a9. It'd probably only be noticeable if you don't > have dbm available. Try the following patch to spambayes/message.py: > > """ > --- 205,215 ---- > # so that these files don't litter lots of working directories. > # Once there is a master db, this option can be removed. > message_info_db_name = get_pathname_option("Storage", > "messageinfo_storage_fil > e") > ! if options["Storage", "persistent_use_database"] is True or \ > ! options["Storage", "persistent_use_database"] == "dbm": > msginfoDB = MessageInfoDB(message_info_db_name) > ! elif options["Storage", "persistent_use_database"] is False or \ > ! options["Storage", "persistent_use_database"] == "pickle": > msginfoDB = MessageInfoPickle(message_info_db_name) > > class Message(email.Message.Message): > """ I applied this patch and deleted the .pyc file just in case. However, when I try the stats, I still get the same error: 500 Server error Traceback (most recent call last): File "/users/pcm/lib/python/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 461, in found_terminator getattr(plugin, name)(**params) File "/users/pcm/lib/python/spambayes/UserInterface.py", line 1016, in onStats s = Stats.Stats() File "/users/pcm/lib/python/spambayes/Stats.py", line 42, in __init__ self.CalculateStats() File "/users/pcm/lib/python/spambayes/Stats.py", line 58, in CalculateStats for msg in msginfoDB.db.keys(): AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'keys' Is there something else that needs to be updated? > I suppose a review page, like the POP3 proxy > one, could be built that presented the messages that were on the IMAP > server. This would be a reasonable chunk of work, though. If you really > would like that, then open a feature request > and assign it to me, and I'll get to it > some day. Actually, the way I have it running now is pretty nice. I have a Ham, Spam, Unsure, MarkAsHam, and MarkAsSpam folders and I'm using the option you suggested to move trained ham and spam to the Ham and Spam folders respectively. >>OK. So I got a message for prescription drugs (love those :^). >>It was marked as "unsure" and was placed into my Unsure >>folder. I moved it to my Spam folder (used for training). >>Now it just sits there and the classification never changes >>to "spam". I have to move it to my inbox and then it will >>get reclassified and moved to the spam folder. > > > It does get trained as spam, though. I suppose I could add a 'rescore after > training' option. Would that be useful? Well, now that I use the move_trained_spam_to_folder option, it is fine. I take unsure messages, drop them into the MarkAsSpam folder and once trained, they are moved to the Spam folder, where I delete them later (after checking for any false positives). > I've wondered about a 'ham folder'. The IMAP filter is modelled loosely on > the Outlook plug-in, and people occasionally ask for a 'ham folder' there, > too. It would be easy enough to add this, so if you think it would be a > good option, then, again, open a feature request > and assign it to me. I'd get to this > before I got to the above. I'll request it as I find it solves my problem with messages appearing as new twice (before and after classifying). >>Verified. I cannot see the message bodies in the Inbox, when >>the sb_imapfilter.py is running (once it sleeps it allows my >>client to see the folder). > > > Interesting. I'm not sure why this would be. Maybe the server locks the > folder in some way? Does this cause any problems? No. I just try to look at the message and if nothing displays, I know I have to wait a few seconds for imapfilter to complete. >>I can try a -l 1 later on and see what happens. I haven't >>seen a message lost since, but I do see this message >>appears as new twice thing, all the time. > > > Let me know if this does happen again. I don't know why a message would > vanish, unless somehow it was meant to be moved and the old version got > deleted but creation of the new one failed. Imapfilter should crash in that > case, though, which would make it obvious (and the crash should come > *before* the deletion part, too). I'll keep an eye on it. >>I guess what I was asking was that if a message was classified >>and then a new copy of the message was created, say marked as >>Spam, and the original was still there marked as deleted, should >>I be able to see the original message somewhere (trash)? I >>don't see the message anywhere. I have my client configured to >>"when I delete a message, move it to the trash folder". I'm >>just trying to see if there is a way to recover that message >>that was lost. > > > Hmm. I don't know enough about how Netscape presents IMAP mail. What > happens on the server is that the message stays were it is, but is marked as > deleted. You later do an 'expunge' and all those messages are deleted. Do > you end up with lots of duplicate messages in your trash? No. I don't see the original (unclassified) messages anywhere, even in the trash. It's almost like the original message is getting overwritten. > If so, then I > guess that Netscape is simply presenting all the 'marked as deleted' > messages. If not, then I guess it's actually copying the message to a > 'trash' folder. > > If the latter, then as long as an expunge hasn't been run (i.e. > automatically by Netscape), the message is still there. Somehow you should > be able to convince Netscape to let you see the messages that are marked for > deletion. Alternatively, do you have any other way of (temporarily) > connecting to the IMAP server? (i.e. another mail client, webmail, > something like that?) I can connect with another mail client, but I seem to see the same thing from both. I see the message as new, I read it, I click "get messages" button and see the message as new again (with classification). The original message is not in the Inbox nor in the trash. Netscape is configured to move deleted mail to the trash folder and to delete mail on server, when deleted on client (but I haven't "emptied trash" yet). >>It "seems" like I can run a second instance of >>sb_imapfilter.py with the -b option. I'm not sure if they interact. > > > I think they've both got the databases open, though, and we don't really > make any effort at the moment to avoid any conflicts. I think adding an > option to serve the interface while imapfilter is running with -l would be > good. I've opened a feature request for this, and will add it at some > point. Super. I think that would be nice too. My main goal is to be able to see stats on spam, ham, false positives, false negatives, unsure, etc. like the POP3 I/F. I guess I'm wondering how a second process of imapfilter (using -b) would see the stat info? > Won't Netscape tell you that there's new mail in the 'ham' folder? No. I just shows when I have mail in the Inbox. I think it just polls every 10 minutes and if there is unread mail in the Inbox it displays a message on my PC in the task bar. Imapfilter is moving it to the ham folder, so my mail client doesn't "see" it in the Inbox. That's an issue with Netscape mail in general. I move messages to many folders and can't see what the new count is for each folder, unless I select the folder :^( >>The other thing is I'm seeing that the imapfilter process >>is exiting occasionally. I'm running it with the -v and >>in the foreground to see if I can see what causes it to >>exit. > > > If it does exit, it should do so with a traceback. Let me know what it is, > and I should be able to fix it. I start it on the Unix box in the foreground. Enter the IMAP password, then do a "control-Z" and then "bg 1" to put this in the background. It seems to be running, but when I exit the terminal window, it seems that it terminates at some point. I no longer have a console, so I don't know what happened. Any thoughts? Today I did the same thing, and via a second terminal connection, I see the filter is (so far) still running. > Code is good. Even if it just saves me five minutes :) Given that it > should be (and you say it is) trivial, then you've probably done it how I > would, anyway. Here's the diff for sb_imapfilter.py: 683c683 < def Filter(self, classifier, spamfolder, unsurefolder): --- > def Filter(self, classifier, hamfolder, spamfolder, unsurefolder): 699c699 < # we leave ham alone --- > msg.MoveTo(hamfolder) 712a713 > self.ham_folder = IMAPFolder(options["imap", "ham_folder"]) 765c766,767 < # Select the spam folder and unsure folder to make sure they exist --- > # Select the ham, spam, and unsure folders to make sure they exist > imap.SelectFolder(self.ham_folder.name) 773,774c775,776 < subcount = folder.Filter(self.classifier, self.spam_folder, < self.unsure_folder) --- > subcount = folder.Filter(self.classifier, self.ham_folder, > self.spam_folder, self.unsure_folder) Here's the diff for Options.py: 1050a1051,1054 > ("ham_folder", "Folder for ham messages", "", > """""", > IMAP_FOLDER, DO_NOT_RESTORE), > Finally, another question (sorry). Is there a way to have imapfilter detect when new mail arrives at the IMAP server, or does it have to poll for messages? I'm thinking that rather than polling every X minutes, if it could jsut wake-up when new mail arrives and filter and classify and then go back to sleep... but maybe IMAP works with a poll type model. PCM @ HOME (Paul Michali) Contact info for internal use: http://wwwin-eng.cisco.com/Eng/ISBU/HSS/WWW/bin/view.cgi/Main/PaulMichali From robert.t.campbell at erols.com Fri Apr 23 10:24:09 2004 From: robert.t.campbell at erols.com (Robert T. Campbell) Date: Fri Apr 23 10:24:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help Message-ID: <000c01c4293e$a563aa60$5b2ca8c0@slacpa.com> I am running Windows 98 SE. I don't know how to determine what version of SpamBayes I am running but I downloaded and installed it yesterday. When I started getting new email this morning (the first after installing) it put 13 messages into the folder Junk Suspects. However, when I try to view those messages, the folder is empty. How do I get access to all of those messages???? By the way, if you email me a response, as the system is currently running, I won't be able to see it!!! Robert Campbell 703-352-9795 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040423/02a50593/attachment.html From kausik at gawab.com Fri Apr 23 13:35:32 2004 From: kausik at gawab.com (Kausik) Date: Fri Apr 23 13:35:40 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help needed Message-ID: <000e01c42959$62c62f00$110010ac@globalnet> Dear Spambays, I have downloaded the spambays 1.01 software, but I am unable to configure Outlook express, can you please send me the instruction to configure ? It will be very helpful for me. Kausik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I did get a log file but I did not print it. I unistalled it, reinstalled it and now it will not open the sb tray. Any thoughts as how I get this back up and running so I can configure it correctly. Thank you Daryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040423/d61f5dcf/attachment.html From randy_barger at yahoo.com Sat Apr 24 00:05:40 2004 From: randy_barger at yahoo.com (Randy Barger) Date: Sat Apr 24 07:29:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook sends error report - RESEND In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BBB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: >>> We are reading these; it just takes a while to answer some (particularly at times like these when all the developers are fairly busy with other work), particularly the more tricky ones, and particularly the ones that need knowledge of how things work, rather than just how to use the software. <<< I completely understand. Being new to the list, I wasn't sure what to expect. >>> Have you tried Outlook's "Detect and Repair" function? (I presume it's still there in Outlook 2003 - I only have 2002). I do know that there are some people who are successfully using both, so it should be possible somehow. <<< I didn't try this, as I *just* did the install, and had no errors or problems. I will go ahead and try this when I get a chance. >>> The logs are error free unfortunately. These problems are the hardest to solve, because it's not so much something that SpamBayes is doing as something that Outlook is doing (probably). Try deleting the toolbar (right-click, Customize, select, Delete) then reopening Outlook (SpamBayes will automatically recreate it). Does that help? You could also try moving aside the file \Documents and Settings\{username}\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook\outcmd.dat which fixes a lot of toolbar problems. <<< I tried both of these with no luck. If the Detect and Repair doesn't work, I'll have to schedule some time to do some low-level debugging. Should be fun. Thanks for your help. I'll let you know if I come across a resolution. Randy From peter.greene at hct.ac.ae Sat Apr 24 02:20:12 2004 From: peter.greene at hct.ac.ae (Peter Hatherley-Greene) Date: Sat Apr 24 07:29:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes configuration and installation with Netscape 7.01 Mail Message-ID: <000501c429c4$3ad59060$c428aac2@pgreene> Hi The downloadable instructions are not clear regarding installation of Spambayes on Netscape 7.01 Mail. Can anyone help me? I have installed the program at home with Outlook and I'm very pleased with the results. Thanks Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040426/5005f7d7/attachment.html From mrpowell at mindspring.com Sat Apr 24 16:43:44 2004 From: mrpowell at mindspring.com (Marc Powell) Date: Sat Apr 24 16:40:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Unable to register addin in Outlook2000 SR1 9.0.0.5414 / Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.2222 A Message-ID: Hello, I uninstalled the Spambayes-outlook-0081 because I could never get it to register as an addin. (consistent error) and tried the latest release 1.0b1 and it failed also. I ran regsvr32.exe outlook_addin.dll as described in the trouble shooting guide and the windows error was that it could not locate a file to execute. This is the same error I get every time I try to install. I purged all references to spambayes from the registry before trying the latest fresh install. This is the log from the latest two failed attempts with 1.0.b1: Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.py", line 33, in ? File "win32com\__init__.pyc", line 6, in ? File "C:\PROGRAM FILES\SPAMBAYES\lib\spambayes.zip\pythoncom.pyc", line 2, in ? #@c File "C:\PROGRAM FILES\SPAMBAYES\lib\spambayes.zip\pywintypes.pyc", line 69, in ? File "C:\PROGRAM FILES\SPAMBAYES\lib\spambayes.zip\pywintypes.pyc", line 45, in __import_pywin32_system_module__ ImportError: Module 'pywintypes' isn't in frozen sys.path directories Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.py", line 33, in ? File "win32com\__init__.pyc", line 6, in ? File "C:\PROGRAM FILES\SPAMBAYES\lib\spambayes.zip\pythoncom.pyc", line 2, in ? #@c File "C:\PROGRAM FILES\SPAMBAYES\lib\spambayes.zip\pywintypes.pyc", line 69, in ? File "C:\PROGRAM FILES\SPAMBAYES\lib\spambayes.zip\pywintypes.pyc", line 45, in __import_pywin32_system_module__ ImportError: Module 'pywintypes' isn't in frozen sys.path directories What is a 'pywintypes' module and where is it located? Which of my sys.path directories do I have to stick in the freezer before I can copy the 'pywintypes' module into it? Any help will be greatly appreciated as this has become a personal challenge. Marc Powell mrpowell@mindspring.com A+, Net+. MCP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040424/d92ee867/attachment.html From yevgenkotukh at mail.ru Sat Apr 24 18:56:34 2004 From: yevgenkotukh at mail.ru (Yevgen V. Kotukh) Date: Sat Apr 24 18:56:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Source code Message-ID: <198744701.20040424235634@mail.ru> Hello! Would you be so kind to send me some examples of source code Thank you very much Best regards, Yevgen Kotukh From BroCarlton at mail.com Sat Apr 24 20:09:44 2004 From: BroCarlton at mail.com (Bro.Carlton) Date: Sat Apr 24 22:01:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Add Spam Field to View... Message-ID: <000e01c42a59$9d67ad90$6500a8c0@laptop> Link to instructions on how to add Spam Field does not connect. Can you e-mail me these instructions. I had it set up earlier, but have reinstalled Outlook XP and cannot figure it out. Thanks... Carlton <>< "Let us exalt His Name together..." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040424/2f1cfd6a/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Apr 24 22:21:31 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Apr 24 22:21:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF69A5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BBD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I am running Windows 98 SE. I don't know how to determine > what version of SpamBayes I am running 1. The file you downloaded would have had a version number (1.0b1, as it happens) at the end of its name. 2. If you go to the "Add/Remove Programs" control panel, there should be a version number with the SpamBayes entry. 3. If you select "SpamBayes Manager" from the SpamBayes menu, the version is just under the "SpamBayes" image. 4. If you choose "Check for new version" from the SpamBayes menu, it'll tell you that you're using the latest (but, deliberately, not which number it is). 5. If you read the troubleshooting manual (accessible via the Help menu on the SpamBayes menu, or, IIRC, the Start menu), it explains how to find the log files that you should include when asking for help. These logs include the version number. > but I downloaded and installed it yesterday. When I started > getting new email this morning (the first after installing) > it put 13 messages into the folder Junk Suspects. However, when > I try to view those messages, the folder is empty. How do I get > access to all of those messages???? Either you're looking at the wrong folder, or you've got Outlook set to not display all messages in that folder. Either way, see FAQ 3.12 for help: > By the way, if you email me a response, as the system > is currently running, I won't be able to see it!!! I presume you have figured out that you need to disable SpamBayes (or figure out the above) to get help, so you will read this. Otherwise, there really doesn't seem to be much point posting a message asking for help... =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Apr 24 22:26:38 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Apr 24 22:26:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Antispamsoftware In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF6CAF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BBE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Ich habe aus den Medien von Ihrer Antispamsoftware > erfahren, wie komme ich an dieses Plugin? Which I believe is roughly "I've heard about your anti-spam software in the media; how can I get hold of it?". You can download SpamBayes from our website: . Note that all the documentation is currently in English, so if you can't read that, then you may have some difficulty. I think POPFile has multiple translations (SpamBayes may, someday, if people volunteer to help), so you might want to look at that: . Sie k?nnen SpamBayes von unserer Web site downloaden: . Merken Sie, da? alle Unterlagen z.Z. auf englisch sind, also, wenn Sie can't das lesen, dann k?nnen Sie irgendeine Schwierigkeit haben. Ich denke, da? POPFile mehrfache ?bersetzungen hat (SpamBayes kann eines Tages wenn Leute sich freiwillig erbieten zu helfen), also Sie das betrachten w?nschen konnten: . Entschuldigen Sie bitte den Automobil-erzeugten Deutschen. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. --- Bitte schlie?en Sie immer die Liste (spambayes@python.org) in Ihren Antworten (antworten-allen), ein und bitte schicken Sie mir pers?nliche Post ?ber SpamBayes nicht. Auf diese Weise, erhalten Sie Hilfe von jeder und vermeiden einen Mangel an Antworten, wenn ich besch?ftigt bin. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Apr 24 22:28:04 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Apr 24 22:28:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Source code In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF6CB6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CCA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Would you be so kind to send me some examples of source code You can download the whole lot yourself: . (Or just go directly to sourceforge: . Looking at the 1.0b1 source distributions is probably sufficient, but you can access the current CVS code if you'd rather. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Apr 24 22:29:38 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Apr 24 22:29:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Add Spam Field to View... In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13060E4104@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CCB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Link to instructions on how to add Spam Field does not > connect. Can you e-mail me these instructions. I had it > set up earlier, but have reinstalled Outlook XP and cannot figure it out. Are you perhaps using an old version of the plug-in? I'm pretty sure that the link was fixed some time back. In any case, here it is: """ Viewing and Using the Spam Score Field A custom property named Spam is added to all Outlook messages scored, but Outlook does not allow us to automatically add this to your views. However, you can teach Outlook to display this field as a column in any table view, like the standard Messages view. This takes some work, and has to be done again for every folder in which you want to display a Spam column - typically this will be all folders you are filtering, and your Spam and Unsure folders. Perform the following steps * While looking at an Outlook table view (like Messages), right-click on the line with column headers (From, Subject, To, Received, ...). In the context menu that pops up, click on Field Chooser. A box with title Field Chooser pops up. * In the drop-down list at the top of the Field Chooser window, select User Defined Fields * Below the drop-down, you should see a rectangular button with a Spam label . This should be automatically created for all folders managed by the system, but if it does not appear, you will need to add it yourself. To do this, perform the following steps o In the lower left corner of the Field Chooser box, click New.... A box with title New Field pops up. o In the Name: box, type Spam. o In the Type: dropdown list, select Percent. This is the third choice in the dropdown list. Do not select any other format -- it won't work. o The Format: select the first entry in the list - "Rounded". The Field Chooser should now look like the first image on the right. o Click OK in the New Field box. Now you're back in the Field Chooser box, with a new Spam button shown, as the second figure shows. * Use your mouse to drag the Spam button to the column header position where you want to see the Spam column. You don't have to be precise here -- you can rearrange or resize the column later just by dragging it around. * You're done! Close the Field Chooser box. """ =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From warehauz at hotmail.com Sat Apr 24 22:33:28 2004 From: warehauz at hotmail.com (Joe Catina) Date: Sat Apr 24 22:33:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py not adding headers / moving messages Message-ID: I've got 1.0b1 installed on a Linux server and got everything configured for IMAP usage, and have trained a few dozen spams & hams. Everything appears to be going well, and when I run "sb_imapfilter.py -t -c" the output looks fine, but the classification isn't fully working - messages aren't moved, and they don't get all the headers added they're supposed to have. Basically, when training (i.e. I manually put a message in the spam_train_folders), it will correctly process the message, and move it to the move_trained_spam_to_folder folder. After manually training I looked up a few words in the database via the web interface to make sure everything is working properly, and it does indeed appear to be. But, when classifying, the output will say for example: Classified 0 ham, 1 spam, and 0 unsure. The message was actually spam, so that's fine - but it left it in the inbox, and didn't add a classification or score header (I've turned those options on). So while the classification is picking the right option, it's not doing anything with the messages. The message remains in the original folder, regardless of it's classification, and only gets the X-Spambayes-Mailid header. I also noticed a minor problem with the training as well, but since the messages are being moved to the proper folder, and the tokens are being added to the training database properly, I'm not concerned about it. I've set include_trained to True, so it should be adding a header to indicate it's trained on that message - but it doesn't. In fact, when it moves the message to the move_trained_*_to_folder folder, even the X-Spambayes-Mailid is gone. Since it's doing the training fine though, I'm not worried - I just suspect it's related to my bigger classification problems. Is this a known problem? Anything I can do to fix/workaround this? It almost seems to me like it's deleting the wrong message (as I understand it, it's supposed to create a second copy of the message with the new headers, and delete the original). FYI, the IMAP server appears to be Courier-IMAP. Here's some lengthy output from a "sb_imapfilter.py -t -c -v -i4" that found & supposedly classified a spam message, but ended up leaving it in the inbox without the classification headers etc: ====== SpamBayes IMAP Filter Version 0.3 (April 2004) and engine SpamBayes Engine Version 0.3 (January 2004). Loading database /usr/local/spambayes/hammie.db... Done. Training Training ham folder INBOX.HAM 0 trained. Training spam folder INBOX.SPAM 0 trained. Training took 0.0049 seconds, 0 messages were trained Classifying .*. Classified 0 ham, 1 spam, and 0 unsure. Classifying took 0.0689 seconds. Loading state from /usr/local/spambayes/hammie.db database /usr/local/spambayes/hammie.db is an existing database, with 29 spam and 21 ham 09:01.22 > DMNB1 LOGIN "USERNAME" "***PASSWORD***" 09:01.22 < DMNB1 OK LOGIN Ok. 09:01.23 > DMNB2 SELECT INBOX.HAM 09:01.23 < * FLAGS (\Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Recent) 09:01.23 < * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\* \Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen)] Limited 09:01.23 < * 0 EXISTS 09:01.23 < * 0 RECENT 09:01.23 < * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1082777941] Ok 09:01.23 < * OK [MYRIGHTS "acdilrsw"] ACL 09:01.23 < DMNB2 OK [READ-WRITE] Ok 09:01.23 > DMNB3 UID SEARCH UNDELETED 09:01.23 < * SEARCH 09:01.23 < DMNB3 OK SEARCH done. 09:01.23 > DMNB4 CLOSE 09:01.23 < DMNB4 OK mailbox closed. 09:01.23 > DMNB5 SELECT INBOX.SPAM 09:01.23 < * FLAGS (\Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Recent) 09:01.23 < * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\* \Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen)] Limited 09:01.23 < * 0 EXISTS 09:01.23 < * 0 RECENT 09:01.23 < * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1082777941] Ok 09:01.23 < * OK [MYRIGHTS "acdilrsw"] ACL 09:01.23 < DMNB5 OK [READ-WRITE] Ok 09:01.23 > DMNB6 UID SEARCH UNDELETED 09:01.23 < * SEARCH 09:01.23 < DMNB6 OK SEARCH done. 09:01.23 > DMNB7 CLOSE 09:01.23 < DMNB7 OK mailbox closed. 09:01.23 > DMNB8 SELECT INBOX.UNSURE 09:01.23 < * FLAGS (\Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Recent) 09:01.23 < * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\* \Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen)] Limited 09:01.23 < * 0 EXISTS 09:01.23 < * 0 RECENT 09:01.23 < * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1082778026] Ok 09:01.23 < * OK [MYRIGHTS "acdilrsw"] ACL 09:01.23 < DMNB8 OK [READ-WRITE] Ok 09:01.23 > DMNB9 CLOSE 09:01.23 < DMNB9 OK mailbox closed. 09:01.23 > DMNB10 SELECT INBOX 09:01.23 < * FLAGS (\Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Recent) 09:01.23 < * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\* \Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen)] Limited 09:01.23 < * 2 EXISTS 09:01.23 < * 1 RECENT 09:01.23 < * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1082778026] Ok 09:01.23 < * OK [MYRIGHTS "acdilrsw"] ACL 09:01.23 < DMNB10 OK [READ-WRITE] Ok 09:01.23 > DMNB11 UID SEARCH UNDELETED 09:01.23 < * SEARCH 71 72 09:01.23 < DMNB11 OK SEARCH done. 09:01.23 > DMNB12 UID FETCH 71 RFC822.HEADER 09:01.24 < * 1 FETCH (UID 71 RFC822.HEADER {2564} 09:01.24 read literal size 2564 09:01.24 < ) 09:01.24 < DMNB12 OK FETCH completed. 09:01.24 > DMNB13 UID FETCH 72 RFC822.HEADER 09:01.24 < * 2 FETCH (UID 72 RFC822.HEADER {1968} 09:01.24 read literal size 1968 09:01.24 < ) 09:01.24 < DMNB13 OK FETCH completed. 09:01.24 > DMNB14 UID FETCH 72 (BODY.PEEK[]) 09:01.24 < * 2 FETCH (UID 72 BODY[] {3908} 09:01.24 read literal size 3908 09:01.24 < ) 09:01.24 < DMNB14 OK FETCH completed. 09:01.24 > DMNB15 UID FETCH 72 (FLAGS INTERNALDATE) 09:01.25 < * 2 FETCH (UID 72 FLAGS (\Recent) INTERNALDATE "24-Apr-2004 21:07:27 -0400") 09:01.25 < DMNB15 OK FETCH completed. 09:01.25 > DMNB16 APPEND INBOX () "24-Apr-2004 21:07:27 -0400" {3945} 09:01.25 < + OK 09:01.25 write literal size 3945 09:01.26 < DMNB16 OK [APPENDUID 1082778026 73] APPEND Ok. 09:01.26 > DMNB17 UID STORE 72 +FLAGS.SILENT (\Deleted \Seen) 09:01.26 < DMNB17 OK STORE completed. 09:01.26 > DMNB18 UID SEARCH (UNDELETED HEADER X-Spambayes-MailId 1082855341) 09:01.26 < * SEARCH 09:01.26 < * 2 FETCH (FLAGS (\Seen \Deleted \Recent)) 09:01.26 < DMNB18 OK SEARCH done. 09:01.26 > DMNB19 UID SEARCH RECENT 09:01.26 < * SEARCH 72 09:01.26 < DMNB19 OK SEARCH done. 09:01.28 > DMNB20 UID FETCH 72 (FLAGS INTERNALDATE) 09:01.28 < * 2 FETCH (UID 72 FLAGS (\Seen \Deleted \Recent) INTERNALDATE "24-Apr-2004 21:07:27 -0400") 09:01.28 < DMNB20 OK FETCH completed. 09:01.29 > DMNB21 APPEND INBOX.SPAM (\Seen \Deleted) "24-Apr-2004 22:07:20 -0400" {5014} 09:01.29 < + OK 09:01.29 write literal size 5014 09:01.29 < DMNB21 OK [APPENDUID 1082777941 52] APPEND Ok. 09:01.29 > DMNB22 UID STORE 72 +FLAGS.SILENT (\Deleted \Seen) 09:01.30 < DMNB22 OK STORE completed. 09:01.30 > DMNB23 CLOSE 09:01.30 < DMNB23 OK mailbox closed. 09:01.30 > DMNB24 SELECT INBOX.SPAM 09:01.30 < * FLAGS (\Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Recent) 09:01.30 < * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\* \Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen)] Limited 09:01.30 < * 1 EXISTS 09:01.30 < * 0 RECENT 09:01.30 < * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1082777941] Ok 09:01.30 < * OK [MYRIGHTS "acdilrsw"] ACL 09:01.30 < DMNB24 OK [READ-WRITE] Ok 09:01.30 > DMNB25 UID SEARCH (UNDELETED HEADER X-Spambayes-MailId 1082855341) 09:01.30 < * SEARCH 09:01.30 < DMNB25 OK SEARCH done. 09:01.30 > DMNB26 UID SEARCH RECENT 09:01.30 < * SEARCH 09:01.30 < DMNB26 OK SEARCH done. 09:01.30 > DMNB27 UID SEARCH ALL 09:01.30 < * SEARCH 52 09:01.30 < DMNB27 OK SEARCH done. 09:01.30 > DMNB28 SELECT INBOX.SPAM 09:01.30 < * FLAGS (\Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Recent) 09:01.30 < * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\* \Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen)] Limited 09:01.30 < * 1 EXISTS 09:01.30 < * 0 RECENT 09:01.30 < * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1082777941] Ok 09:01.30 < * OK [MYRIGHTS "acdilrsw"] ACL 09:01.30 < DMNB28 OK [READ-WRITE] Ok 09:01.30 > DMNB29 EXPUNGE 09:01.30 < * 1 EXPUNGE 09:01.30 < * 0 EXISTS 09:01.30 < * 0 RECENT 09:01.30 < DMNB29 OK EXPUNGE completed 09:01.30 > DMNB30 SELECT INBOX.UNSURE 09:01.30 < * FLAGS (\Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Recent) 09:01.30 < * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\* \Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen)] Limited 09:01.30 < * 0 EXISTS 09:01.30 < * 0 RECENT 09:01.30 < * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1082778026] Ok 09:01.30 < * OK [MYRIGHTS "acdilrsw"] ACL 09:01.30 < DMNB30 OK [READ-WRITE] Ok 09:01.30 > DMNB31 EXPUNGE 09:01.30 < DMNB31 OK EXPUNGE completed 09:01.30 > DMNB32 SELECT INBOX.HAM 09:01.30 < * FLAGS (\Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Recent) 09:01.30 < * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\* \Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen)] Limited 09:01.30 < * 0 EXISTS 09:01.30 < * 0 RECENT 09:01.30 < * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1082777941] Ok 09:01.30 < * OK [MYRIGHTS "acdilrsw"] ACL 09:01.30 < DMNB32 OK [READ-WRITE] Ok 09:01.30 > DMNB33 EXPUNGE 09:01.31 < DMNB33 OK EXPUNGE completed 09:01.31 > DMNB34 SELECT INBOX.SPAM 09:01.31 < * FLAGS (\Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Recent) 09:01.31 < * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\* \Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen)] Limited 09:01.31 < * 0 EXISTS 09:01.31 < * 0 RECENT 09:01.31 < * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1082777941] Ok 09:01.31 < * OK [MYRIGHTS "acdilrsw"] ACL 09:01.31 < DMNB34 OK [READ-WRITE] Ok 09:01.31 > DMNB35 EXPUNGE 09:01.31 < DMNB35 OK EXPUNGE completed 09:01.31 > DMNB36 LOGOUT 09:01.31 < * BYE Courier-IMAP server shutting down 09:01.31 BYE response: Courier-IMAP server shutting down 09:01.31 < DMNB36 OK LOGOUT completed ====== _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Apr 24 22:33:57 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Apr 24 22:34:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes configuration and installation with Netscape7.01 Mail In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF6CAE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CCC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > The downloadable instructions are not clear regarding > installation of Spambayes on Netscape 7.01 Mail. It would really help if you could be specific about what's not clear, so that we can fix it for other people. Sending in suggested wording would be even better! What have you managed to do? What operating system are you using? There are three steps: 1. Install SpamBayes. This means either running the binary installer (with Windows) or running "setup.py install" in the directory you expanded the source archive into (with non-Windows OS's). 2. Configure SpamBayes. You need to start SpamBayes running (how to do this depends on the OS you are using) and go to . In the configuration page, you need to enter your POP3 server's name and a port (such as 110) to use for local proxying. 3. Configure Netscape. This just means changing the mail settings to connect to "localhost" rather than to your mail server. If you're stuck on one of these, let us know which one, and what the problem is, and we can provide more details. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Apr 24 22:40:35 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Apr 24 22:40:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help needed In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF69A8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CCD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have downloaded the spambays 1.01 software, but I > am unable to configure Outlook express, can you > please send me the instruction to configure ? Make sure that in the SpamBayes configuration you have entered in the name of your POP3 server, and a port for local proxying. In Outlook Express, choose "Accounts" from the "Tools" menu. Click on your mail account (going to the "Mail" tab might help you figure out which one it is) and click "Properties". Click the "Servers" tab. This will have an entry for "incoming mail", which will be your mail server. Change this to read "localhost". Click "OK" and then "Close". Note that in the SpamBayes configuration, you'll also have to tick at least one of the "ham"/"spam"/"unsure" boxes in the "Notate To" or "Notate Subject" options to use SpamBayes with Outlook Express (because the only way to get the information through is in the subject or 'to' line. I can't recall if this is in the docs or not (it should be, but might not be; I'll have to look at that). Be sure to let us (the list) know if there are any problems. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Apr 24 22:43:39 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Apr 24 22:43:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] help me In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF69B2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CCE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have down loaded the spambayes version 1. > We are using windows xp and outlook express. > I down loaded it, configured it, I thought correctly. > I did get a log file but I did not print it. The log files are not deleted - so it should still be in your (Windows) temp directory. The troubleshooting guide explains where to find them. If you mean that an error popped up, rather than a log file being created, then do you remember anything of what it said? Do you remember at what stage it occurred? Did it happen when you reinstalled? > I unistalled it, reinstalled it and now it will not > open the sb tray. Any thoughts as how I get this > back up and running so I can configure it correctly. Do you get the SpamBayes icon in the tray? If so, what happens when you (right) click on it? If not, have you tried launching it manually (from the Start menu or from the directory it was installed into). Finding and sending us the log file would be a great help - again, the troubleshooting guide explains where to locate them. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Apr 24 23:36:34 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Apr 24 23:36:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py not adding headers / moving messages In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13060E4122@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CD0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > But, when classifying, the output will say for example: > > Classified 0 ham, 1 spam, and 0 unsure. > > The message was actually spam, so that's fine - but it > left it in the inbox, and didn't add a classification > or score header (I've turned those options on). So > while the classification is picking the right option, > it's not doing anything with the messages. The message > remains in the original folder, regardless of it's > classification, and only gets the X-Spambayes-Mailid > header. This is strange. Nothing's going wrong in the IMAP conversation, so the probably is either in the configuration or in imapfilter itself. It seems that it's choosing to write the filtered message to the INBOX folder, although that doesn't explain why there isn't a classification/score header. There isn't a "X-SpamBayes-Exception" header, is there? The code that handles this is around line 700 of sb_imapfilter.py. Could you add in a line that says "print cls, spamfolder.name" after the line that says "cls = msg.GetClassification()" and see what gets printed out? > I also noticed a minor problem with the training as > well, but since the messages are being moved to the > proper folder, and the tokens are being added to the > training database properly, I'm not concerned about it. > I've set include_trained to True, so it should be > adding a header to indicate it's trained on that > message - but it doesn't. Imapfilter doesn't use the include_trained header. IIRC, only mboxtrain does. It isn't needed, because imapfilter tracks the messages in the message info database. > In fact, when it moves the > message to the move_trained_*_to_folder folder, even > the X-Spambayes-Mailid is gone. I hadn't noticed this :) It's a bug - basically, all spambayes headers are removed from the message prior to training (to avoid contamination), and then the messages gets moved/saved after that, so the headers are gone. I've checked in a fix for this, though it shouldn't really make much difference to anything. > (as I understand it, it's > supposed to create a second copy of the message with > the new headers, and delete the original). Yes, that's correct. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From oh200 at fuse.net Sun Apr 25 01:05:37 2004 From: oh200 at fuse.net (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Apr 25 01:05:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Failure to train mbox ham Message-ID: <010301c42a82$f7185aa0$6501a8c0@library> Evening Spambayes Product is as advertised. Just loaded it this afternoon and works great. Having one small issue that seems to be the same as the one below. It will train spam just fine and in fact did let me train one small group of ham, but cannot get it to train again. I have stopped Spambayes, restarted computer, etc. etc. and I cannot get another training session to complete. It goes to http://localhost:8880/train The page cannot be displayed every time. Is this really a bug or might you have some ideas what I may be doing wrong. Thanks for the help Tim [Spambayes] Failure to train mbox ham Richie Hindle richie at entrian.com Fri Oct 31 14:02:36 EST 2003 Previous message: [Spambayes] Failure to train mbox ham Next message: [Spambayes] I'm a web/php/mysql/javascript programmer and can help with making a snazzy/user-friendly website Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Hi Stephen, > I tried training some mbox ham, but I get this error. Any ideas what could be > causing it? > [...] > AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'has_key' I believe this is due to a bug in 1.0a6 whereby the database gets closed after you save your configuration. Restarting sb_server should make it go away. If it doesn't, could you post your ini file and any other details that might help us to reproduce the problem? Thanks. -- Richie Hindle richie at entrian.com From warehauz at hotmail.com Sun Apr 25 02:51:03 2004 From: warehauz at hotmail.com (Joe Catina) Date: Sun Apr 25 02:51:09 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py not adding headers / moving messages Message-ID: >This is strange. Nothing's going wrong in the IMAP conversation, so the >probably is either in the configuration or in imapfilter itself. It seems >that it's choosing to write the filtered message to the INBOX folder, >although that doesn't explain why there isn't a classification/score >header. >There isn't a "X-SpamBayes-Exception" header, is there? No, there are no headers other than the X-SpamBayes-Mailid in any of the messages. >The code that handles this is around line 700 of sb_imapfilter.py. Could >you add in a line that says "print cls, spamfolder.name" after the line >that >says "cls = msg.GetClassification()" and see what gets printed out? Just tested that and it's looking fine .. the output was "spam INBOX.SPAM" - so it was classified as spam properly, and then was supposed to be moved to the spam folder specified in the configuration. But alas, it remains in the inbox, and still is suspiciously missing the classification & score headers. >Imapfilter doesn't use the include_trained header. IIRC, only mboxtrain >does. It isn't needed, because imapfilter tracks the messages in the >message info database. Good to know! I was mainly just trying to turn on a bunch of header options since the classification & score weren't showing up, just to test and see if I could get any headers written. >I hadn't noticed this :) It's a bug - basically, all spambayes headers are >removed from the message prior to training (to avoid contamination), and >then the messages gets moved/saved after that, so the headers are gone. >I've checked in a fix for this, though it shouldn't really make much >difference to anything. Gotcha - again, I've just been staring at these headers hoping something would show up, so that's how I caught this one. I agree that it's a relatively moot point though, since the message is already trained & dealt with. So I'm still at a loss. Actually, the only thing I can think of is that I've set the spam_folder to the same folder as the spam_train_folders - could this be a conflict? I have a 'SPAM' folder that I want any messages classified as spam moved to, and I'm also using this to train by manually moving messages there. On another machine with the Outlook plugin (which works GREAT btw), there's no problem with this setup, so I didn't think it'd be an issue - but perhaps the IMAP setup is different. I'm grasping at straws here ... The counts are accurate, so the code logic branching is working fine, and the debug output we just tested looked fine too - so it looks like something is failing either during the msg.MoveTo() or msg.Save() calls? It's odd because those same calls are working fine during the training process... Unfortunately I don't know anything about the IMAP protocol ... but looking through the output I saw this: 09:01.29 > DMNB21 APPEND INBOX.SPAM (\Seen \Deleted) This looks like where it might be trying to put the message in the proper directory after classification - but it looks like it might be setting the deleted flag? Is it simply deleting the wrong message (the new copy, not the original)? Anyway, thanks much for the help, and to everyone involved with SpamBayes -- it truly is wonderful, which is why it's so frustrating that I can't get it working for this setup. _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From marvinstewart at charter.net Sun Apr 25 11:15:59 2004 From: marvinstewart at charter.net (marvin stewart) Date: Sun Apr 25 11:17:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Understanding your program Message-ID: <000801c42ad8$37228c10$a21cbe44@zorro> Hi, My O/S is windows XP. It is impossible for me to understand how to use your program. I am sure this is a very good product if one is a computer programer. Thanks Anyway -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040425/3631ed4f/attachment.html From editor at webattack.com Sun Apr 25 18:20:11 2004 From: editor at webattack.com (editor@webattack.com) Date: Sun Apr 25 17:27:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes - SnapFiles AuthorID and account setup Message-ID: <200404251720796.SM00920@webattack> Dear Open Source, we (SnapFiles.com) took the liberty to review and add your software (SpamBayes) to our software listings. You can monitor download statistic, submit updates or additional products from your developer account (see below). Of course, if you prefer not to ne listed with us, let us know and we'll remove your product Here is your account information for future reference: ------------------------------------------------------- You can access also your account from here http://www.snapfiles.com/dev/ DeveloperID: 7122476 Password: tmp17775 Your password is auto-generated and can be changed once you login http://www.snapfiles.com/dev/ ---------------------------------------------------- Here is a quick overview of the data we have used. SpamBayes will be published on 04/26/2004 The public page can be viewed as of 04/26/2004 from here http://www.snapfiles.com/get/spambayes.html Additional details can be found on your account page. Software name: SpamBayes 1.0b1 WebSite: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ Download: http://easynews.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/spambayes/spambayes-1.0b1.exe Any questions? Please contact editor@webattack.com From nigel at xequte.com Sun Apr 25 19:16:52 2004 From: nigel at xequte.com (Nigel Cross) Date: Sun Apr 25 19:18:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Future Suggestion (NO REPLY NECESSARY) Message-ID: Hi Please consider this in the future: - Undo function I often click the "Recover" button with a selection of spam, or vice versa, and worry about the effect I have had on future filtering. Ideally there would be an Undo function under the SpamBayes menu that would allow the last action to be reversed (i.e. moving all of the messages back and reversing the changes made to the database). I realize this is not a v1.0 thing, but it would be good for a later release. Keep up the good work! NO REPLY NECESSARY!!! Regards Nigel Cross Xequte Software nigel@xequte.com www.xequte.com From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Apr 25 21:54:24 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Apr 25 21:54:40 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py not adding headers / moving messages In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13060E41A9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BC1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Unfortunately I don't know anything about the IMAP protocol > ... but looking > through the output I saw this: > > 09:01.29 > DMNB21 APPEND INBOX.SPAM (\Seen \Deleted) > > This looks like where it might be trying to put the message > in the proper directory after classification - but it looks > like it might be setting the deleted flag? Is it simply > deleting the wrong message (the new copy, not the original)? Ah, I see the problem now - I had missed that second APPEND. What's happening is that the message is being saved in the INBOX (which occurs so that the message has the SpamBayes ID header; removing this would be nice, but finding the time to implement an alternative method is a wee way off, for me at least), and then SpamBayes searches for the message's new IMAP UID so that it can move it. The search comes back empty, and so SpamBayes falls back on using the most recent ID, which should be the one just added. Unfortunately, this is actually the one just deleted (72 not 73 in the example), so it copies this instead (including the flags, which means the /Deleted flag, too). The question is *why* is the IMAP server failing to find the newly appended message, both in the SEARCH command and in the RECENT list? Maybe it needs to wait for a bit so the server can catch up? Try adding in a line "time.sleep(1)" just after the "# We need to update the uid, as it will have changed." comment (about line 511). If this works, then I guess that is the problem, and I'll have to figure out a nicer solution (at the very least, we should check that the message we're using is not /Deleted). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From NAVMSE-ETHEL at novatech.co.uk Sun Apr 25 22:16:24 2004 From: NAVMSE-ETHEL at novatech.co.uk (NAV for Microsoft Exchange-ETHEL) Date: Sun Apr 25 22:16:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you sent. Message-ID: Norton AntiVirus found the "W32.Netsky.P@mm" virus in the attachment "message.scr". The file was Quarantined. Recipient of the infected attachment: WEBMASTER\Inbox Subject of the message: Mail Delivery (failure webmaster@novatech.co.uk) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1645 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040426/b96a2042/attachment.bin From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 26 03:12:22 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 26 03:12:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problems getting started with IMAP... In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1305FF69A4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CE0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I applied this patch and deleted the .pyc file just in case. > However, when I try the stats, I still get the same error: > [...] > AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'keys' > > Is there something else that needs to be updated? Hmm, odd. Maybe that wasn't the problem (although it was *a* problem). Could you try: 1. In your configuration file, add a "[globals]" section (if there isn't already one) and in that section add "verbose:True". When you run sb_imapfilter.py, do you now get a "Warning: no dbm modules available" error printed out? (You shouldn't, because it shouldn't be trying use use dbm, but it would explain why msginfoDB is None). 2. In the same place in message.py (line 214, I think) as the previous patch, add a line just after that stuff that has: """ print options["Storage", "persistent_use_database"], msginfoDB """ This should print out something like "pickle ", if all is well. [ham folder] > I'll request it as I find it solves my problem with messages > appearing as new twice (before and after classifying). I noticed the request/patch. I'll get round to looking at this and checking something in at some point before the next release. > No. I don't see the original (unclassified) messages anywhere, even > in the trash. It's almost like the original message is getting > overwritten. It's possible that Netscape does periodic 'expunge' commands, which would remove any messages marked for /Deletion, and just doesn't show these messages at all. It shouldn't matter as long as everything is working, though :) > I guess I'm wondering how a > second process of imapfilter (using -b) would see the stat info? The stat info is all generated from looking at the messageinfo.db file, so each process would open that. This would be fine with a pickle (as long as they both didn't try to *write* to it), but having two processes open a dbm file may cause problems. > > Won't Netscape tell you that there's new mail in the 'ham' folder? > > No. I just shows when I have mail in the Inbox. I think it > just polls every 10 minutes and if there is unread mail in > the Inbox it displays a message on my PC in the task bar. > Imapfilter is moving it to the ham folder, so my mail > client doesn't "see" it in the Inbox. That's an issue with > Netscape mail in general. I move messages to many folders > and can't see what the new count is for each folder, unless > I select the folder :^( This does seem like a Netscape problem, then. The only workarounds I can think of are to either present our own "you have new mail" message somehow, or to create a "filtered x messages to ham folder" message in the Inbox. Neither are particularly nice solutions. > I start it on the Unix box in the foreground. Enter the > IMAP password, then do a "control-Z" and then "bg 1" to > put this in the background. It seems to be running, but > when I exit the terminal window, it seems that it terminates > at some point. I no longer have a console, so I don't know > what happened. Any thoughts? Could you run it redirecting stdout & stderr to a file, so that any errors are captured? > Finally, another question (sorry). Is there a way to have imapfilter > detect when new mail arrives at the IMAP server, or does it have to > poll for messages? I'm thinking that rather than polling every X > minutes, if it could jsut wake-up when new mail arrives and filter > and classify and then go back to sleep... but maybe IMAP works with > a poll type model. This is something I would look into if I ever got the time to work on imapfilter again (properly, rather than this bugfix sort of stuff). It's possible in theory, but I'm not sure how workable it would be. You could stay connected, and the server is meant to send out messages with updated exists/recent counts when they change. I'm not sure how well implemented this is across servers, and how well it works when both the filter and the mail client are connected. The filter would still have to cycle through the various watch folders, I think, since the updates only get sent out for the currently selected folder (unless there was only one watch folder). It would be a good 1.1 feature, though. Maybe I'll get time to work on imapfilter again one day :) =Tony Meyer From info at winzip.de Mon Apr 26 03:43:21 2004 From: info at winzip.de (info@winzip.de) Date: Mon Apr 26 03:40:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Mail Delivery (failure spambayes@python.org) Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: plain/text Size: 113 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040426/499b1799/attachment.bin From bertrand.dornel at francetelecom.com Mon Apr 26 05:09:49 2004 From: bertrand.dornel at francetelecom.com (DORNEL Bertrand USEI NANTES) Date: Mon Apr 26 05:14:01 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam bayes in French ? Message-ID: <243458D740815144A7DB9D5D80D79596029DBC3B@PUEXCB10.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 9028 bytes Desc: image001.gif Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040426/c9881452/attachment-0001.gif From dahanbakker at hotmail.com Mon Apr 26 05:53:15 2004 From: dahanbakker at hotmail.com (dahanbakker@hotmail.com) Date: Mon Apr 26 05:51:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Mail Delivery (failure spambayes@python.org) Message-ID: <200404260951.i3Q9nso8019459@mxzilla7.xs4all.nl> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: plain/text Size: 113 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040426/ba1d3174/attachment.bin From pcm at cisco.com Mon Apr 26 08:08:44 2004 From: pcm at cisco.com (Paul Michali) Date: Mon Apr 26 08:08:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problems getting started with IMAP... In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CE0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CE0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <408CFBCC.6050708@cisco.com> Tony Meyer wrote: >>I applied this patch and deleted the .pyc file just in case. >>However, when I try the stats, I still get the same error: >> > > [...] > >>AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'keys' >> >>Is there something else that needs to be updated? > > > Hmm, odd. Maybe that wasn't the problem (although it was *a* problem). > Could you try: > > 1. In your configuration file, add a "[globals]" section (if there isn't > already one) and in that section add "verbose:True". When you run > sb_imapfilter.py, do you now get a "Warning: no dbm modules available" error > printed out? (You shouldn't, because it shouldn't be trying use use dbm, > but it would explain why msginfoDB is None). Nope. I get this: Loading state from hammie.db pickle hammie.db is an existing pickle, with 350 ham and 2816 spam Loading database hammie.db... Done. > > 2. In the same place in message.py (line 214, I think) as the previous > patch, add a line just after that stuff that has: > > """ > print options["Storage", "persistent_use_database"], msginfoDB > """ > > This should print out something like "pickle ...>", if all is well. Hmm. I added that line (indented four spaces), right after the if clause, but I don't see any message displayed in the Web page or on the console output. Am I doing anything wrong? > >>I start it on the Unix box in the foreground. Enter the >>IMAP password, then do a "control-Z" and then "bg 1" to >>put this in the background. It seems to be running, but >>when I exit the terminal window, it seems that it terminates >>at some point. I no longer have a console, so I don't know >>what happened. Any thoughts? > > > Could you run it redirecting stdout & stderr to a file, so that any errors > are captured? I'm not quite sure how to do that, as I need to start it in the foreground so that it asks me the IMAP password, and then place it into the background. Maybe I can use "tee"? In any case, the process I started Friday is still running. I haven't been able to get the problem to reproduce :^( >>Finally, another question (sorry). Is there a way to have imapfilter >>detect when new mail arrives at the IMAP server, or does it have to >>poll for messages? > > This is something I would look into if I ever got the time to work on > imapfilter again (properly, rather than this bugfix sort of stuff). It's > possible in theory, but I'm not sure how workable it would be. You could > stay connected, and the server is meant to send out messages with updated > exists/recent counts when they change. I'm not sure how well implemented > this is across servers, and how well it works when both the filter and the > mail client are connected. The filter would still have to cycle through the > various watch folders, I think, since the updates only get sent out for the > currently selected folder (unless there was only one watch folder). It would be nice to have it immediately update, when messages come it. Then, the "-l" option would not really be needed and there would be less of a chance where the client sees the message before it has been classified (if the filter runs instantly and the client is polling every 10 minutes or so). > > It would be a good 1.1 feature, though. Maybe I'll get time to work on > imapfilter again one day :) That would be great. If you want someone to test it out, I can certainly do that. PCM WORKING @ HOME (Paul Michali) From papaDoc at videotron.ca Mon Apr 26 08:38:01 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Mon Apr 26 08:38:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes - SnapFiles AuthorID and account setup In-Reply-To: <200404251720796.SM00920@webattack> References: <200404251720796.SM00920@webattack> Message-ID: <408D02A9.6000405@videotron.ca> editor@webattack.com wrote: >Dear Open Source, >we (SnapFiles.com) took the liberty to review and add your software >(SpamBayes) to our software listings. >You can monitor download statistic, submit updates or additional products >from your developer account (see below). >Of course, if you prefer not to ne listed with us, let us know and we'll remove your product > >Here is your account information for future reference: >------------------------------------------------------- >You can access also your account from here >http://www.snapfiles.com/dev/ > >DeveloperID: xxxxxxxx >Password: xxxxxxxx > >Your password is auto-generated and can be changed once you login >http://www.snapfiles.com/dev/ > > Wow, This is a really secure way for a web site to send info. Send password and ID on a public mailing list !!!!! Remi -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Email From papaDoc at videotron.ca Mon Apr 26 08:48:49 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Mon Apr 26 08:48:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam bayes in French ? In-Reply-To: <243458D740815144A7DB9D5D80D79596029DBC3B@PUEXCB10.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> References: <243458D740815144A7DB9D5D80D79596029DBC3B@PUEXCB10.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> Message-ID: <408D0531.7070500@videotron.ca> Bonjour Bertrand, Pour l'instant spambayes n'a aucune documentation en francais. Si des usagers veulent traduire la documentation. Elle sera mise disponible pour tous les autres usagers, Si des personnes veulent avoir des renseignements en francais, elles peuvent poser des questions sur cette liste car quelques personnes lisent le francais. Il y a meme eu des reponse en allemand, espagnol, etc.... N.B. Il y a deja plusieurs personnes qui ont demande si une version francaise etait disponible mais personne n'a pris le temps de la faire. > Hello ! > > I search any contribution to have translations of documentations of > your (very good) product. > > I try to install it (with very good success) on mail boxes of my > company, but someone of my colleagues don?t (unfortunately) speak > English and they have some difficulties to learn the documentations. > > Do you know where I may have these translations. I also propose some > contributions to your fame in installing on some computers here. > Remi -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Email From missyhmakr at hotmail.com Mon Apr 26 09:05:09 2004 From: missyhmakr at hotmail.com (Missy Owen) Date: Mon Apr 26 09:07:09 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes issue? Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040426/fd3f6539/attachment.html From karen.miller at astrazeneca.com Mon Apr 26 09:10:31 2004 From: karen.miller at astrazeneca.com (Miller, Karen L (Public Affairs)) Date: Mon Apr 26 09:11:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem Message-ID: <703ABA283499D21198290008C75D28AE083CC309@usuwphmsx08.usuwb.astrazeneca.net> I think Spambayes may be filtering ALL my external mail and some mail from other AZ servers. I get the "ding" that I have e-mail and no e-mail is there. Sometimes there's a flash of a message and then its gone. I haven't fully trained the system, it was just installed on Friday and I've only filtered one message manually. From Lyne_Desaulniers at inrs-ete.uquebec.ca Mon Apr 26 11:11:56 2004 From: Lyne_Desaulniers at inrs-ete.uquebec.ca (Lyne Desaulniers) Date: Mon Apr 26 11:16:34 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Eudora installation tips please? Message-ID: Hi there! I just installed your product to work with outlook ( wich works great) but I would like to know if there is an equivalent installation available for Eudora with Windows nt4 and/or Win2k? Lyne Desaulniers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040426/0d6e2a88/attachment.html From jpmays at coffey.com Mon Apr 26 11:25:41 2004 From: jpmays at coffey.com (jpmays@coffey.com) Date: Mon Apr 26 11:25:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy: How to automate the removal of spam from InBox? Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SpamBayesServer1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 464 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040426/c44df26c/SpamBayesServer1.obj -------------- next part -------------- I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0b1 (April 2004) (binary), with version 2.3.3 (#51, Feb 13 2004, 14:39:56) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 4.90.73010104.1 ( ). I have trained 48 ham and 834 spam. The problem I am having is I can't figure out how to have SpamBayes automatically remove spam from my InBox of Outlook Express (v.6.00.2800.1123). Please advise. Thank you! /jpmays/ From Amir_Katz at bmc.com Mon Apr 26 12:25:44 2004 From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir) Date: Mon Apr 26 12:26:18 2004 Subject: FW: [Spambayes] New SpamBayes FAQ Message-ID: Hope this helps -----Original Message----- From: Herbert B. Chermside [mailto:hcherm@vcu.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 17:57 To: spambayes@python.org Cc: mcherm@mcherm.com; hcherm@erols.com; mchermside@ingdirect.com Subject: [Spambayes] New SpamBayes FAQ I am using SpamBayes with Eudora. It is WONDERFUL! I currently have Eudora 6.0.2. However, I'm only partly computer literate, so it took me a while to figure out how to set the filters in Eudora. For those as inexperienced as myself, I suggest an addition to SpamBayes FAQ. Either add to present 2.3 (which works perfectly!), or insert as 2.4. (My son, a Python addict, tells me these contributions are the heart and soul of open source software!). Incidentally, hcherm@erols.com is my home e-mail, and I am retiring soon, so the VCU address will disappear. How do I Set Eudora Filters to distribute Ham, Unsure, and Spam to separate mailboxes? Note: the following instructions have been verified using Eudora 6.0.2, Sponsored mode, under Windows. 1. Open Eudora 2. Create desired mailboxes for distributing sorted incoming mail. I use "IN" for ham, "UNSURE" for unsure and "SPAM" for spam (or directly to "TRASH" if you don't care to check up on SpamBayes' sort). 3. Select TOOLS, FILTERS 4. Click NEW 5. In "Match" area, check "Incoming" 6. In "Header" box, type in: "X-Spambayes-Classification:" 7. In following drop-down box, select "is" 8. In box immediately following, type "ham" ("spam", "unsure") 9. In next drop-down box, select "ignore". As a result, you may ignore what is in the next level Header - action - text boxes. 10. In "Action" area, top drop-down box, select "Transfer to" 11. In target area immediately to the right, click, and select desired target mailbox to match choice in 8. 12. Repeat steps 4 through 11 for the other two mailboxes. 13. Right click highlighted "Filters" box below (not the "filters" tab) and select "close"; answer "yes" to "Save changes to filters?" I have not tried any secondary filters, but the principles should not differ. You are probably not interested in a secondary sort except for "ham", and you can make those sorts at step 9. Herbert B. Chermside, CRA Virginia Commonwealth University PO BOX 980568 Richmond, VA 23298-0568 Voice: 804-827-6036 Fax 804-828-2051 e-mail hcherm@vcu.edu _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From decoburn at comcast.net Mon Apr 26 12:29:42 2004 From: decoburn at comcast.net (Dennis Coburn) Date: Mon Apr 26 12:29:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Spambayes Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040428/a51db868/attachment.html From NAVMSE-SERVER1 at gbdallas.com Mon Apr 26 14:45:21 2004 From: NAVMSE-SERVER1 at gbdallas.com (NAV for Microsoft Exchange-SERVER1) Date: Mon Apr 26 14:51:07 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Norton AntiVirus detected and quarantined a virus in a message yo u sent. Message-ID: <3181323327EED311BD8400508BC25911273156@SERVER1> Recipient of the infected attachment: Jay Grogan\Inbox Subject of the message: Mail Delivery (failure jgrogan@gbdallas.com) One or more attachments were quarantined. Attachment message.scr was Quarantined for the following reasons: Virus W32.Netsky.P@mm was found. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1737 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040426/00c3569d/attachment-0001.bin From wbdibble at cox.net Mon Apr 26 15:58:41 2004 From: wbdibble at cox.net (Bill Dibble) Date: Mon Apr 26 15:58:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes on Outlook Express Message-ID: <000901c42bc8$e0114be0$6400a8c0@Dibble> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SpamBayesServer1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 119 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040426/fe253878/SpamBayesServer1.obj From hank at marinar.com Mon Apr 26 16:40:20 2004 From: hank at marinar.com (Adam J. Henry) Date: Mon Apr 26 16:40:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] content-type causing sb_filter.py to bail out Message-ID: <20040426204020.GT22440@hank.marinar.com> Spambayes1.0b1.1 Python2.3 When these lines are in the body of an email message: Content-Type: text/html; boundary="--7615487063415977" sb_filter.py spits out the following error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py", line 256, in ? main() File "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py", line 248, in main action(msg) File "/usr/bin/sb_filter.py", line 180, in filter return self.h.filter(msg) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 146, in filter return msg.as_string(unixfrom=(msg.get_unixfrom() is not None)) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/email/Message.py", line 130, in as_string g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/email/Generator.py", line 102, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/email/Generator.py", line 130, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/email/Generator.py", line 156, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/email/Generator.py", line 199, in _handle_text raise TypeError, 'string payload expected: %s' % type(payload) TypeError: string payload expected: I have verified the same behavior with Spambayes1.0a7 as well as the version from CVS (200404261633). I have attached the whole message that originally suggested this problem. Perhaps the format of the above Content-Type: header is in violation with header syntax. Does anyone know for sure while I gather time to read the appropriate RFC? 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----7615487063415977-- From pcm at cisco.com Mon Apr 26 19:17:34 2004 From: pcm at cisco.com (Paul Michali) Date: Mon Apr 26 19:17:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problems getting started with IMAP... In-Reply-To: <408CFBCC.6050708@cisco.com> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CE0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <408CFBCC.6050708@cisco.com> Message-ID: <408D988E.2050602@cisco.com> Paul Michali wrote: > Tony Meyer wrote: > >>> I applied this patch and deleted the .pyc file just in case. >>> However, when I try the stats, I still get the same error: >>> >> >> [...] >> >>> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'keys' >>> >>> Is there something else that needs to be updated? >> >> >> >> Hmm, odd. Maybe that wasn't the problem (although it was *a* problem). >> Could you try: >> >> 1. In your configuration file, add a "[globals]" section (if there isn't >> already one) and in that section add "verbose:True". When you run >> sb_imapfilter.py, do you now get a "Warning: no dbm modules available" >> error >> printed out? (You shouldn't, because it shouldn't be trying use use dbm, >> but it would explain why msginfoDB is None). > > > Nope. I get this: > > Loading state from hammie.db pickle > hammie.db is an existing pickle, with 350 ham and 2816 spam > Loading database hammie.db... Done. > >> >> 2. In the same place in message.py (line 214, I think) as the previous >> patch, add a line just after that stuff that has: >> >> """ >> print options["Storage", "persistent_use_database"], msginfoDB >> """ >> >> This should print out something like "pickle > ...>", if all is well. > > > Hmm. I added that line (indented four spaces), right after > the if clause, but I don't see any message displayed in > the Web page or on the console output. Am I doing anything > wrong? > Something is unusual here. I realized that the print line should not have been indented, so I removed the four spaces. When I re-ran, I got this output... sb_imapfilter2.py -b -p hammie.db -P Warning: no dbm modules available for MessageInfoDB dbm SpamBayes IMAP Filter Version 0.3 (April 2004) and engine SpamBayes Engine Version 0.3 (January 2004). Loading state from hammie.db pickle hammie.db is an existing pickle, with 351 ham and 2816 spam Loading database hammie.db... Done. Password: Two things here. First, I now see the warning message that you mentioned above. Second, it looks like it is saying dbm instead of pickle. Any idea of why it thinks it is using the dbm vs pickle? Thanks! PCM @ WORK (Paul Michali) From warehauz at hotmail.com Mon Apr 26 21:34:22 2004 From: warehauz at hotmail.com (Joe Catina) Date: Mon Apr 26 21:34:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py not adding headers / moving messages Message-ID: >Ah, I see the problem now - I had missed that second APPEND. What's >happening is that the message is being saved in the INBOX (which occurs so >that the message has the SpamBayes ID header; removing this would be nice, >but finding the time to implement an alternative method is a wee way off, >for me at least), and then SpamBayes searches for the message's new IMAP >UID >so that it can move it. > >The search comes back empty, and so SpamBayes falls back on using the most >recent ID, which should be the one just added. Unfortunately, this is >actually the one just deleted (72 not 73 in the example), so it copies this >instead (including the flags, which means the /Deleted flag, too). > >The question is *why* is the IMAP server failing to find the newly appended >message, both in the SEARCH command and in the RECENT list? Maybe it needs >to wait for a bit so the server can catch up? Try adding in a line >"time.sleep(1)" just after the "# We need to update the uid, as it will >have >changed." comment (about line 511). If this works, then I guess that is >the >problem, and I'll have to figure out a nicer solution (at the very least, >we >should check that the message we're using is not /Deleted). > >=Tony Meyer > Tony, Well, I added the sleep command, and still no go unfortunately. Here's the IMAP log of the most recent try (just the classifying section): 18:24.58 > HKLL12 SELECT INBOX 18:24.58 < * FLAGS (\Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Recent) 18:24.58 < * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\* \Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen)] Limited 18:24.58 < * 1 EXISTS 18:24.58 < * 1 RECENT 18:24.58 < * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1082778026] Ok 18:24.58 < * OK [MYRIGHTS "acdilrsw"] ACL 18:24.58 < HKLL12 OK [READ-WRITE] Ok 18:24.58 > HKLL13 UID SEARCH UNDELETED 18:24.58 < * SEARCH 181 18:24.58 < HKLL13 OK SEARCH done. 18:24.58 > HKLL14 UID FETCH 181 RFC822.HEADER 18:24.58 < * 1 FETCH (UID 181 RFC822.HEADER {2269} 18:24.58 read literal size 2269 18:24.58 < ) 18:24.58 < HKLL14 OK FETCH completed. 18:24.59 > HKLL15 UID FETCH 181 (BODY.PEEK[]) 18:24.59 < * 1 FETCH (UID 181 BODY[] {3150} 18:24.59 read literal size 3150 18:24.59 < ) 18:24.59 < HKLL15 OK FETCH completed. 18:24.59 > HKLL16 UID FETCH 181 (FLAGS INTERNALDATE) 18:24.59 < * 1 FETCH (UID 181 FLAGS (\Recent) INTERNALDATE "26-Apr-2004 21:15:09 -0400") 18:24.59 < HKLL16 OK FETCH completed. 18:24.60 > HKLL17 APPEND INBOX () "26-Apr-2004 21:15:09 -0400" {3185} 18:24.60 < + OK 18:24.60 write literal size 3185 18:24.60 < HKLL17 OK [APPENDUID 1082778026 182] APPEND Ok. 18:24.60 > HKLL18 UID STORE 181 +FLAGS.SILENT (\Deleted \Seen) 18:24.60 < HKLL18 OK STORE completed. 18:25.60 > HKLL19 UID SEARCH (UNDELETED HEADER X-Spambayes-MailId 1083028704) 18:25.60 < * SEARCH 18:25.60 < * 1 FETCH (FLAGS (\Seen \Deleted \Recent)) 18:25.60 < HKLL19 OK SEARCH done. 18:25.60 > HKLL20 UID SEARCH RECENT 18:25.60 < * SEARCH 181 18:25.60 < HKLL20 OK SEARCH done. *. 18:25.62 > HKLL21 UID FETCH 181 (FLAGS INTERNALDATE) 18:25.62 < * 1 FETCH (UID 181 FLAGS (\Seen \Deleted \Recent) INTERNALDATE "26-Apr-2004 21:15:09 -0400") 18:25.62 < HKLL21 OK FETCH completed. 18:25.63 > HKLL22 APPEND INBOX.FOUNDSPAM (\Seen \Deleted) "27-Apr-2004 06:10:50 -0400" {4480} 18:25.63 < + OK 18:25.63 write literal size 4480 18:25.65 < HKLL22 OK [APPENDUID 1083026930 1] APPEND Ok. 18:25.65 > HKLL23 UID STORE 181 +FLAGS.SILENT (\Deleted \Seen) 18:25.65 < HKLL23 OK STORE completed. 18:26.64 > HKLL24 CLOSE 18:26.65 < HKLL24 OK mailbox closed. 18:26.65 > HKLL25 SELECT INBOX.FOUNDSPAM 18:26.65 < * FLAGS (\Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Recent) 18:26.65 < * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\* \Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen)] Limited 18:26.65 < * 1 EXISTS 18:26.65 < * 0 RECENT 18:26.65 < * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1083026930] Ok 18:26.65 < * OK [MYRIGHTS "acdilrsw"] ACL 18:26.65 < HKLL25 OK [READ-WRITE] Ok 18:26.65 > HKLL26 UID SEARCH (UNDELETED HEADER X-Spambayes-MailId 1083028704) 18:26.65 < * SEARCH 18:26.65 < HKLL26 OK SEARCH done. 18:26.65 > HKLL27 UID SEARCH RECENT 18:26.65 < * SEARCH 18:26.65 < HKLL27 OK SEARCH done. 18:26.65 > HKLL28 UID SEARCH ALL 18:26.65 < * SEARCH 1 18:26.65 < HKLL28 OK SEARCH done. Classified 0 ham, 1 spam, and 0 unsure. Classifying took 2.0745 seconds. Any other ideas? Also, now I'm running into a lot of parsing problems with messages. This raises exceptions and I can't get around it without finding the offending message and manually removing it from either the training or filtering folders so spambayes won't try to look at it. For example: File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/email/Generator.py", line 199, in _handle_text raise TypeError, 'string payload expected: %s' % type(payload) TypeError: string payload expected: I've tried upgrading the python email package to the latest version in case that was the issue, to no avail. Isn't tracking down bugs fun!?? Guess I might have to do a crash course in IMAP and python syntax to try and nail this .... _________________________________________________________________ Lose those love handles! MSN Fitness shows you two moves to slim your waist. http://fitness.msn.com/articles/feeds/article.aspx?dept=exercise&article=et_pv_030104_lovehandles From warehauz at hotmail.com Mon Apr 26 21:59:44 2004 From: warehauz at hotmail.com (Joe Catina) Date: Mon Apr 26 21:59:48 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py not adding headers / moving messages Message-ID: After some quick googling I saw this which could confirm your theory: "Some servers did not make APPENDed messages available immediately. This could again be an interoperability problem for disconnected clients trying to reconnect and resynchronise. If the clients APPEND new messages to the selected mailbox and then expect to be able to retrieve information about them immediately after receiving a tagged OK from the APPEND command, they may become confused when the new message seems not yet to be there. Clients should be careful to wait for an EXISTS response announcing the availability of the new message, but this can be annoying when the client must periodically send NOOP commands to poll for this event. Happily, most servers do provide access to the new message immediately." (from http://www.imc.org/mc3-final.html) Sounds like the problem we're having here exactly - I guess the 1 second sleep just wasn't long enough to work around this. I'll try playing around with the code, sleeping more, NOOP'ing, perhaps even disconnecting & reconnecting the IMAP session to see how to handle this best. Unfortunately I'm not the mail server admin so I'm not sure if there's any settings that can be changed to speed up message availability. Of course, once I get this figured out I'll still have the message parsing failure issues ... one step at a time right? :) _________________________________________________________________ Lose those love handles! MSN Fitness shows you two moves to slim your waist. http://fitness.msn.com/articles/feeds/article.aspx?dept=exercise&article=et_pv_030104_lovehandles From warehauz at hotmail.com Mon Apr 26 22:36:33 2004 From: warehauz at hotmail.com (Joe Catina) Date: Mon Apr 26 22:36:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py not adding headers / moving messages Message-ID: Ok, got it working! The sleeping didn't help at all (well, at least not with 15 seconds of sleeping) ... but a simple NOOP brought things up in the search right away (and didn't add any useless time delays too thankfully). I'd suggest putting it in the general release even though it seems like an IMAP server issue, who knows how many other servers may have this quirk. Just put: imap.noop() in the area we were talking about (roughly line 510, after self._check(response, 'store')) Now all the evidence / score headers etc are showing up properly, the messages are getting moved to the proper folder, and everything is great. Only problem left now is figuring out what's tripping up the parsing with some messages. I'll try to locate a common denominator in the faliling messages ..... _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Marks2101 at cox.net Tue Apr 27 02:36:34 2004 From: Marks2101 at cox.net (Mark2101) Date: Tue Apr 27 02:36:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] I am running Windows 98 second edition Message-ID: <000501c42c21$fc6d9740$47950444@oc.cox.net> I am running Windows 98 second edition. I noticed that you're website indicates the latest release 1.0b1 is only for 2000/XP/2003. Do you have something for windows 98 SE? Or can run 1.0b1? Sincerely, Mark S. Renfro E-MAIL Marks2101@cox.net From anthony at interlink.com.au Tue Apr 27 02:45:30 2004 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Tue Apr 27 02:46:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam bayes in French ? In-Reply-To: <408D0531.7070500@videotron.ca> References: <243458D740815144A7DB9D5D80D79596029DBC3B@PUEXCB10.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> <408D0531.7070500@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <408E018A.4050708@interlink.com.au> >> I search any contribution to have translations of documentations of >> your (very good) product. >> >> I try to install it (with very good success) on mail boxes of my >> company, but someone of my colleagues don?t (unfortunately) speak >> English and they have some difficulties to learn the documentations. >> >> Do you know where I may have these translations. I also propose some >> contributions to your fame in installing on some computers here. We really should do the work to i18nify SB. The code is stable enough now that it's probably worth while. -- Anthony Baxter It's never too late to have a happy childhood. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 27 02:57:18 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 27 02:57:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam bayes in French ? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13060E4733@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CEC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > We really should do the work to i18nify SB. > > The code is stable enough now that it's probably worth while. +1 (and I can stop recommending POPfile to everyone ). Someone asked about this a wee while ago (on spambayes-dev, maybe?), but I don't know if anything was done or not. I'm happy to make time to make any code changes necessary to make the task easier, but I can't really offer much in the way of translation itself (I suppose I could do a Maori translation at a push, but I imagine the potential users of such a translation number approximately 0). Based on list traffic, a French version should be easily do-able. I'm guessing that someone here must have some (even non-Python) experience at doing this, yes? Any volunteers to coordinate the effort? =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 27 04:14:32 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 27 04:15:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py not adding headers / moving messages In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13060E46BB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BCF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Ok, got it working! Great, thanks :) > The sleeping didn't help at all (well, at least not with 15 > seconds of sleeping) ... but a simple NOOP brought things up > in the search right away (and didn't add any useless time > delays too thankfully). A no-op should be fairly painless, and given that you found a reference to the problem, I agree that it's worth having. > I'd suggest putting it in the general release even though it > seems like an IMAP server issue, who knows how many other > servers may have this quirk. I will. I noticed that you added it to the bug tracker, so next time I'm processing those I'll check this in (it'll be before the next release anyway). > Just put: > > imap.noop() > > in the area we were talking about (roughly line 510, after > self._check(response, 'store')) I might even go stronger, and do what the reference you posted said - do a no-op until a new EXISTS message is received (or some sort of limit is reached). > Now all the evidence / score headers etc are showing up properly, the > messages are getting moved to the proper folder, and > everything is great. Great :) > Only problem left now is figuring out what's tripping up the > parsing with some messages. I'll try to locate a common denominator > in the faliling messages ..... Do these crash imapfilter or does it keep going and add an X-SpamBayes-Exception header? It should be the latter, although this has had limited testing (and is a relatively recent addition). The actual traceback itself sounded fairly familiar. I think someone posted a problem like this (but with sb_filter) in the last couple of days. There have been various parsing problems (typically spam not ham) in the past - the usual fix is to work around it so that the email parser can do its thing, although there is a more 'relaxed' parser in the (Python) works. IAC, if you do come up with a solution, or even identify the particular problem, let us know and we'll add any appropriate patch. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 27 04:17:04 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 27 04:17:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] I am running Windows 98 second edition In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13060E472F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CF0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I am running Windows 98 second edition. I noticed that you're > website indicates the latest release 1.0b1 is only for > 2000/XP/2003. Do you have something for windows 98 SE? Or can > run 1.0b1? Check again . I think what you'll find is that the *Outlook plugin* only works with *Outlook* 2000 or above. If you have one of these versions of Outlook and Windows 98, you should be fine. If you have Outlook 98, though, then you can't use the plug-in. If you don't use Outlook (note that this is Outlook, *not* Outlook Express that we're talking about), or you have Outlook 98, then you can use the POP3 proxy (or IMAP filter if you get mail via IMAP). Download the same installer, and it should all work fine with Win98. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 27 04:19:48 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 27 04:20:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes on Outlook Express In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13060E45D5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CF1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Well, I took the leap and installed Spambayes, > but it doesn't seem to be filtering anything at all. > My incoming mail (pop3) setting is "localhost" and > it is on port 110. I have attached today's log file. > > I have trained lots of ham and spam, but my message > headers show no sign of being filtered. Can you help me? 1. If you look at the SpamBayes web interface, how many messages does it say have been filtered? 2. Outlook Express won't show you almost any of a message's headers, so you need to get SpamBayes to put the classification in either the Subject or the To header. If you haven't done that yet, you'll need to also do this - the options are on the main configuration page in the SpamBayes web interface. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 27 04:23:40 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 27 04:23:56 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13060E44DC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CF2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I think Spambayes may be filtering ALL my external mail and > some mail from other AZ servers. I get the "ding" that I have > e-mail and no e-mail is there. Sometimes there's a flash of a > message and then its gone. > > I haven't fully trained the system, it was just installed on > Friday and I've only filtered one message manually. [This assumes the Outlook plug-in - if that's wrong, then mail us again with more details!] I'm not sure what you mean by "ALL my external mail" - what do you expect SpamBayes to be filtering, and what do you think it is? In any case, if you open up the SpamBayes Manager (from the SpamBayes button on the toolbar), and go to the "Filtering" tab, you can select which folders are filtered. If you haven't done much training (for example have only trained one message, and that was spam), then SpamBayes won't be making many correct decisions (if all it's seen is spam, then almost everything will look like spam). Check your unsure/spam folders. You may wish to read FAQ 3.12: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 27 04:27:01 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 27 04:27:14 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Spambayes In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13060E454D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CF3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I've been using Spambayes for some time now with > great success. However, the last few days I seem > to have developed a problem. The filter, aparently, > still works. However, if I highlight a file in Junk > Suspects and click on "Delete as Spam" nothing happens. > > I've tried the fixes in the troubleshooter and downloaded > the latest version to no avail. > > I'm running Outlook 2000 SR-1 under Windows XP, home version. > > Can you suggest how I might fix this problem? The log > file is attached. Your database has become corrupted. The only solution is to retrain from scratch. This is extremely rare - especially so with the Outlook plug-in - and we're not sure what can cause this that we don't already try and prevent. What version of SpamBayes are you using? Is there anything odd about your setup? (like you have set your data directory to be on a shared drive, or more than one copy of Outlook accesses the database at the same time). Has Outlook or your computer crashed during SpamBayes training at any time? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 27 04:31:01 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 27 04:31:21 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Eudora installation tips please? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13060E451C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CF4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I just installed your product to work with outlook > ( wich works great) but I would like to know if there > is an equivalent installation available for Eudora > with Windows nt4 and/or Win2k? There isn't an integrated plug-in like the Outlook one *, but you can use the POP3 proxy, and many people do. You can use the same installer as for the Outlook plug-in, but want "sb_server" rather than the plug-in (it should autodetect this, anyway). There are instructions included, but if you have any troubles, let us know and we'll do what we can to help. Setup is a tad more complicated at this stage (we're working on it!), but you'll end up with identical results. =Tony Meyer * At some point the folk at InBoxer were testing out one of these, although I don't know if they kept on with it. InBoxer is a commercial product that is based on SpamBayes (anyone can do this) - i.e. you have to pay them for it, but they'll give you support and the like. There's information on our website: . --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Tue Apr 27 04:34:22 2004 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Tue Apr 27 04:34:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam bayes in French ? In-Reply-To: <408E018A.4050708@interlink.com.au> Message-ID: <0c4d01c42c32$71a93cc0$0200a8c0@eden> Anthony: > We really should do the work to i18nify SB. > > The code is stable enough now that it's probably worth while. Agreed! I would play my part, but would really need the commitment of some people to do the l10n for at least a couple of languages before I would find the time. Bertrand: What flavour of SpamBayes do you use - the Outlook addin, or the "server" programs? Would you be willing to help in this effort by doing a French translation for us once we make it possible? On the other hand, it appears papaDoc could also do it for us ;) Mark. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 27 04:36:01 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 27 04:37:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy: How to automate the removal ofspam from InBox? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13060E451D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CF5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > The problem I am having is I can't figure out how to have SpamBayes > automatically remove spam from my InBox of Outlook Express > (v.6.00.2800.1123). I don't know what you've managed to do and what you haven't, so skip the steps you've already done: 1. Configure SpamBayes - this means you need to go to the web interface and enter in your POP3 server name and choose a port to locally proxy on (probably 110). 2. Set SpamBayes to use either the "Notate To" or "Notate Subject" options. Outlook Express doesn't let you view or filter on very many headers, so these are the only options. These are also on the same configuration page in the web interface. 3. Set Outlook Express to connect to "localhost" instead of directly to your mail server. After this, you should receive mail that goes through the proxy. Depending on which "notate" options you selected, your ham/unsure/spam will have a tag that identifies which type of mail SpamBayes thinks it is. You can use this to move the mail from your Inbox: 4. Create a rule in Outlook Express (like any other filtering rule - e.g. right-click a message and choose "create rule based on this message") that moves any message that contains the "spam," tag to a "spam" folder (or, if you are brave, to the Deleted Items folder), and any message that contains the "unsure," tag to an "unsure" folder. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From warehauz at hotmail.com Tue Apr 27 04:49:10 2004 From: warehauz at hotmail.com (Joe Catina) Date: Tue Apr 27 04:49:22 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py not adding headers / moving messages Message-ID: >I might even go stronger, and do what the reference you posted said - do a >no-op until a new EXISTS message is received (or some sort of limit is >reached). I wasn't watching too carefully (and I'm not sure if the -i 4 output was including everything the IMAP server returned, or only certain messages it was watching for) ... but I don't think my particular server actually returned an EXISTS message after the NOOP, but it did indeed fix the problem and have the message show up in the subsequent SEARCH. As long as there is some sort of limit though, in case a funky server doesn't actually ever send the EXISTS, that sounds fine to me. >Do these crash imapfilter or does it keep going and add an >X-SpamBayes-Exception header? It should be the latter, although this has >had limited testing (and is a relatively recent addition). Unfortunately, they crash imapfilter ... no Exception headers are added. The only way I can get it to continue processing messages is to manually move any offending messages to a non-watched folder and run imapfilter again. I did see similar checkins to the code adding the graceful handling of these problems ... I guess the relatively recent addition for imapfilter to do this just isn't fully flushed out yet :) I'll start a new thread about this problem when I get more details on it... Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From bertrand.dornel at francetelecom.com Tue Apr 27 06:13:24 2004 From: bertrand.dornel at francetelecom.com (DORNEL Bertrand USEI NANTES) Date: Tue Apr 27 06:13:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam bayes in French ? Message-ID: <243458D740815144A7DB9D5D80D79596029DBC48@PUEXCB10.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> Bonjour ! On my company, we only use the addin client, cause we have another products for our servers (spam assassin ie) For the second part of your question, I, unfortunately actually have no time for doing that, but, I may negotiate with my managers if they find real utilities for all the concerned colleagues . I am on a chain of support : 130 000 persons use computers in my company, if they have problems (I speak only in office automation, windows, office etc...) they call one number of phone : 1500 calls by month. Behind, 200 persons level 1 try to answer, if they have no solution, they transmit at us, level 2, 20 persons. Each of us have a 'domain', for example, we are 2 level 2 in mailing. If we assume that a solution is interesting for all the company, we propose at all the staff, if they meet a problem of spam, use spambayes may be a good solution. But its to me and with negotiation that my managers try to believe us for this opportunity. Finally, if they agree, I should have credits to translate to make simple notices... Not very simple, we are a big company ... Yours sincerely: Bertrand Cordialement : Bertrand Dornel[PARA]DSI/DISU/USEI Nantes[PARA]Soutien Poste de Travail Entreprise (Pte)[PARA]( 02 99 12 25 16 courriel * 11 rue du Ch?ne Germain[PARA]CS 31734[PARA]35517 Cesson S?vign? cedex -----Message d'origine----- De : Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au] Envoy? : mardi 27 avril 2004 10:34 ? : 'Anthony Baxter'; DORNEL Bertrand USEI NANTES Cc : spambayes@python.org Objet : RE: [Spambayes] Spam bayes in French ? Anthony: > We really should do the work to i18nify SB. > > The code is stable enough now that it's probably worth while. Agreed! I would play my part, but would really need the commitment of some people to do the l10n for at least a couple of languages before I would find the time. Bertrand: What flavour of Spambayes do you use - the Outlook addin, or the "server" programs? Would you be willing to help in this effort by doing a French translation for us once we make it possible? On the other hand, it appears papaDoc could also do it for us ;) Mark. From raftsp at otenet.gr Tue Apr 27 06:21:31 2004 From: raftsp at otenet.gr (raftsp) Date: Tue Apr 27 06:21:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Junk suspects folder is always empty Message-ID: <200404271021.i3RALU6g013203@terpsi.otenet.gr> Hello Yesterday I downloaded your program I installed it and tried it (I use Microsoft Outlook and Win XP Pro). According to what I read in the help documents I thought I would see all the incoming e-mails going to the "Junk suspects" folder, then I should train the program by putting the good and bad messages in the correct folders etc. The problem is that while receiving my mails I didn't see any messages being put into the "Junk suspects" folder. Isn't this supposed to be done automatically? Or you think I have configured the program incorrectly? My mails went straight to my Inbox instead. By the way, I would strongly suggest that you review the help documents and if possible to provide a step by step tutorial about training the program, as I think that such a tutorial would be quite easy for you to write but yet very useful to your users. Thank you for your contribution and thanks in advance for your help Best Regards Spyros -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040427/b1c4288e/attachment.html From skip at pobox.com Tue Apr 27 07:51:43 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue Apr 27 07:52:08 2004 Subject: FW: [Spambayes] New SpamBayes FAQ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16526.18767.730850.311711@montanaro.dyndns.org> Amir> Hope this helps ... Herbert> From: Herbert B. Chermside [mailto:hcherm@vcu.edu] Herbert> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 17:57 Herbert> To: spambayes@python.org Herbert> Cc: mcherm@mcherm.com; hcherm@erols.com; mchermside@ingdirect.com Herbert> Subject: [Spambayes] New SpamBayes FAQ Herbert> I am using SpamBayes with Eudora. It is WONDERFUL! I Herbert> currently have Eudora 6.0.2. However, I'm only partly computer Herbert> literate, so it took me a while to figure out how to set the Herbert> filters in Eudora. For those as inexperienced as myself, I Herbert> suggest an addition to SpamBayes FAQ. Either add to present Herbert> 2.3 (which works perfectly!), or insert as 2.4. (My son, a Herbert> Python addict, tells me these contributions are the heart and Herbert> soul of open source software!). Incidentally, hcherm@erols.com Herbert> is my home e-mail, and I am retiring soon, so the VCU address Herbert> will disappear. Herbert> How do I Set Eudora Filters to distribute Ham, Unsure, and Spam Herbert> to separate mailboxes? ... Thanks for this info. I added it to the FAQ, embellished slightly with information for Mac OS X users. Dunno why I missed it the first time around. Skip From papaDoc at videotron.ca Tue Apr 27 08:41:03 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Tue Apr 27 08:41:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam bayes in French ? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CEC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CEC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <408E54DF.7060409@videotron.ca> Hi, >Someone asked about this a wee while ago (on spambayes-dev, maybe?), but I >don't know if anything was done or not. I'm happy to make time to make any >code changes necessary to make the task easier, but I can't really offer >much in the way of translation itself (I suppose I could do a Maori >translation at a push, but I imagine the potential users of such a >translation number approximately 0). Based on list traffic, a French >version should be easily do-able. > >I'm guessing that someone here must have some (even non-Python) experience >at doing this, yes? Any volunteers to coordinate the effort? > > I volunteer to do the French translation but I'm almost a non-Python so the code should be set up if possible. Remi -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Email From qub at qub.com Tue Apr 27 08:42:18 2004 From: qub at qub.com (Mikhail Yakoubov) Date: Tue Apr 27 08:42:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] content-type causing sb_filter.py to bail out References: <20040426204020.GT22440@hank.marinar.com> Message-ID: <408E552A.912C965D@qub.com> "Adam J. Henry" wrote: > Spambayes1.0b1.1 > Python2.3 > When these lines are in the body of an email message: > > Content-Type: text/html; > boundary="--7615487063415977" > > sb_filter.py spits out the following error: Spambayes 1.0a9 (still need to study recent IMAP thread before deciding to upgrade to 1.0b1) -- confirming problem, and it's severe. Probably some recent version of some "popular" spamsoft spits those limp messages. The problem is quite similar to the previously solved multipart one, but it's obviously not get trapped by current code. Best, Qub. From Waicus at skillsforchange.org Tue Apr 27 08:49:31 2004 From: Waicus at skillsforchange.org (Bill Waicus) Date: Tue Apr 27 08:59:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] A question Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Inboxer (Sean True's SpamBayes derivative) is the "Microsoft & WUGNET Shareware Pick of the Week": http://www.wugnet.com/shareware/spow.asp?ID=551 This is a big deal, since it gets announced in approximately 38 billion copies of MS's "Windows Platform News" newsletter (that's how I found out about it). From Kevin.Kusman at smarteam.com Tue Apr 27 11:20:53 2004 From: Kevin.Kusman at smarteam.com (Kevin Kusman) Date: Tue Apr 27 11:24:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] LAtest version file is corrupt Message-ID: <581930D851ADCC46BF1E33E69AC296EF38AA73@ukexc01.SMART.INTRA> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When I launch the SB Configuration Wizard, and go to pick a folder, my personal Outlook mailbox (in the Outlook folder list, it appears to be a little multi-house-clock-calendar icon) does not show up as an option! The other mailboxes show up, but not the main one. I completely uninstalled and reinstalled SB. The very first time it ran, yes, my mailbox appeared. I proceded to let SB train on my sorted mail, and it said it did. However, SB never really ran after that. A return to the Configuration Wizard brought back the 'no mailbox' problem. Note: I have no way of being sure that our system folks here haven't done something behind the scenes to interfere with the normal operation of SB. I went to the SB site, and the instructions there said to submit the e-mail here, so here y'all go. If you want any additional info, I'll be happy to provide it. I really want SB to run again. 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Thanks to _all_ of you. -- Sean From brewerg at vt.edu Tue Apr 27 12:36:07 2004 From: brewerg at vt.edu (Brewer, Gary) Date: Tue Apr 27 12:36:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] non filterable items in Outlook 2003 Message-ID: <89DE71075FCD6E44A4D117FBFBBD801C0148FFAB@fangorn.cc.vt.edu> I've been using Spambayes with great success in Outlook 2002 with Exchange. However, when I install it with Outlook 2003, it works, meaning that if a spam message comes in it moves it to the spam folder, but the view is left as is so that it appears to still be in my inbox. If I click on it I get the normal "non filterable object" error message. Only after I click off of that particular message does it disappear from the inbox.. In 2002 it just disappeared as it got filtered out. Is there something I have wrong in the configuration or is this a "feature" of how it works in 2003??? Thanks, Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, the interface says it has filtered zero messages, and I also configured SpamBayes to put the classification both in the To header and the Subject. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Meyer" To: "'Bill Dibble'" ; Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2004 1:19 AM Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Spambayes on Outlook Express > Well, I took the leap and installed Spambayes, > but it doesn't seem to be filtering anything at all. > My incoming mail (pop3) setting is "localhost" and > it is on port 110. I have attached today's log file. > > I have trained lots of ham and spam, but my message > headers show no sign of being filtered. Can you help me? 1. If you look at the SpamBayes web interface, how many messages does it say have been filtered? 2. Outlook Express won't show you almost any of a message's headers, so you need to get SpamBayes to put the classification in either the Subject or the To header. If you haven't done that yet, you'll need to also do this - the options are on the main configuration page in the SpamBayes web interface. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From oh200 at fuse.net Tue Apr 27 13:04:47 2004 From: oh200 at fuse.net (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Apr 27 13:04:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Training ham / Header Options Message-ID: <00a601c42c79$c1ccb5a0$6501a8c0@library> Afternoon Group New to Spambayes and its working very well. I have a couple issues that I could use help with if someone out there has the time. I found the message below in the archive. I believe I am having the same issue. Am able to train all the spam I want but have only been able to train ham once and every successive attempt has failed. Restarted spambayes, computer, etc. etc. to no avail. All attempts end at the url http://localhost:8880/train and the displayed message "The page cannot be displayed" Also in the documentation it talks about changing the Header to not read just "spam", the suggestion was to change to "SBSpam" or some other possibility. For the life of me, I can't figure out where that edit is possible. Thanks for the help Tim Previous message: [Spambayes] Failure to train mbox ham Next message: [Spambayes] I'm a web/php/mysql/javascript programmer and can help with making a snazzy/user-friendly website Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Hi Stephen, > I tried training some mbox ham, but I get this error. Any ideas what could be > causing it? > [...] > AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'has_key' I believe this is due to a bug in 1.0a6 whereby the database gets closed after you save your configuration. Restarting sb_server should make it go away. If it doesn't, could you post your ini file and any other details that might help us to reproduce the problem? Thanks. From skip at pobox.com Tue Apr 27 13:37:33 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue Apr 27 13:37:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] content-type causing sb_filter.py to bail out In-Reply-To: <408E552A.912C965D@qub.com> References: <20040426204020.GT22440@hank.marinar.com> <408E552A.912C965D@qub.com> Message-ID: <16526.39517.882309.414686@montanaro.dyndns.org> >> sb_filter.py spits out the following error: Qub> Spambayes 1.0a9 (still need to study recent IMAP thread before Qub> deciding to upgrade to 1.0b1) -- confirming problem, and it's Qub> severe. Probably some recent version of some "popular" spamsoft Qub> spits those limp messages. The problem is quite similar to the Qub> previously solved multipart one, but it's obviously not get trapped Qub> by current code. I tried this last night. If I omitted the final boundary ("----7615487063415977--") it blew chunks, but if I included it, it worked more-or-less. By "more-or-less" I mean it didn't get an exception, but it didn't spit out the text/html MIME chunk either: % sb_filter.py < spambayes_error.log From rxsztts@xtra.co.nz Mon Apr 26 15:01:53 2004 Return-path: Envelope-to: postmaster@marinar.com Delivery-date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:01:53 -0400 Received: from ponyexpress.marinar.com ([65.255.160.216] helo=mail.mwweb.com) by intrepid.marinar.com with esmtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BI7GB-0000lV-TY for postmaster@marinar.com; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:39:03 -0400 Received: from SMTP32-FWD by mail.mwweb.com (SMTP32) id A000002A0; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:36:07 -0400 Received: from intrepid.marinar.com [65.255.160.16] by mail.mwweb.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AE545B400DA; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:36:07 -0400 Received: from mail by intrepid.marinar.com with spam-scanned (Exim 4.31) id 1BI7GA-0000kt-Oe; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:39:02 -0400 Received: from wbar10.tampa1-4-7-051-144.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.7.51.144]) by intrepid.marinar.com with smtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BI7G8-0000fG-Rv; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:39:02 -0400 Received: from 182.50.168.47 by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 08:39:22 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Cedric Terry" To: kenray@mwweb.com, postmaster@mwweb.com, kjones@mwweb.com Subject: Change your Future. Re-Finance Now! Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 08:36:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; boundary="--7615487063415977" X-CS-IP: 213.170.38.228 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=8.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONT_COLOR_GRAY,MIME_HTML_ONLY version=2.54 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.54 (1.174.2.17-2003-05-11-exp) X-Spambayes-Classification: titan-unsure; 0.52 X-Spambayes-Evidence: '*H*': 0.30; '*S*': 0.34; 'received:65.255': 0.16; 'received:65.255.160': 0.16; 'received:65.255.160.16': 0.16; 'received:intrepid.marinar.com': 0.16; 'received:marinar.com': 0.16; 'received:mail': 0.36; 'header:Received:6': 0.40; 'received:dsl-verizon.net': 0.64; 'to:addr:postmaster': 0.65; 'content-type:text/html': 0.66; 'subject:!': 0.67; 'subject:. ': 0.71; 'received:4': 0.71; 'subject:your': 0.73; 'to:2**2': 0.74; 'to:no real name:2**2': 0.74; 'sfxlen:3': 0.91 Skip From skip at pobox.com Tue Apr 27 13:40:24 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue Apr 27 13:40:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] A question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16526.39688.690099.840016@montanaro.dyndns.org> Bill> As messages pile up in this folder, is it OK to delete messages Bill> from it? Or must this folder be left alone? You can empty that folder. If you need to retrain you'll have to start from scratch, acquiring new spam messages to train on. (Nowadays this is not normally a problem for most people. ;-) Skip From clewis at iquest.net Tue Apr 27 14:06:57 2004 From: clewis at iquest.net (Chuck Lewis) Date: Tue Apr 27 14:03:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problems with Spambayes (Under Advanced tab/Statistics showing "Spambayes has processed zero messages") Message-ID: <03f901c42c82$6e6b6880$190a10ac@GR43> Hi Folks, Had a problem with Outlook last Friday and had a ROYAL mess on my hands getting it fixed. Had to restore the previous days OUTLOOK.PST, etc. Somehow along with all of this Spambayes got hosed to I downloaded and installed the latest version (1.0b1 April 2004) and "trained" it. I have Definite Spam and Probable Spam folders and since this has happened there has been NOTHING new added to Probable Spam but Definite Spam is getting stuff. If I check under the Advanced tab/Statistics it shows Spambayes has processed zero messages and I assume that is not kosher ? 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Name: Outlook.bmp Type: image/bmp Size: 67170 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040427/12679fb3/Outlook-0001.bin From papaDoc at videotron.ca Tue Apr 27 21:10:11 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (Remi Ricard) Date: Tue Apr 27 21:10:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <000a01c42c94$7503ecf0$57d1be42@davidcry> References: <000a01c42c94$7503ecf0$57d1be42@davidcry> Message-ID: <1083114610.3374.3.camel@porsche> Hi, Spambayes is not integrated into Outlook Express. It is an plugin to Outlook but you still can use it. YOu can look at the FAQ http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-express > I use Outlook Express 6 on a system using Windows XP. I just > installed Spambayes 1.0b1 but nothing happens when I open Outlook. > Please advise if you can. Thank you. The installation should have installed the right tools for you. Do you remember what append during the installation ? Remi -- Remi Ricard From papaDoc at videotron.ca Tue Apr 27 21:41:36 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (Remi Ricard) Date: Tue Apr 27 21:41:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Training ham / Header Options In-Reply-To: <00a601c42c79$c1ccb5a0$6501a8c0@library> References: <00a601c42c79$c1ccb5a0$6501a8c0@library> Message-ID: <1083116494.3374.35.camel@porsche> Hi, > New to Spambayes and its working very well. I have a couple issues that I > could use help with if someone out there has the time. I found the message > below in the archive. I believe I am having the same issue. Am able to > train all the spam I want but have only been able to train ham once and > every successive attempt has failed. Restarted spambayes, computer, etc. > etc. to no avail. All attempts end at the url http://localhost:8880/train > and the displayed message "The page cannot be displayed" This can be caused by a mail that don't respect how an email should be build. What you can do is clear the pop3proxy-ham-cache or pop3proxy-spam-cache (I'm not sure which one he, he...) Or you can selectively move the emails out of the directory one at a time until you find the defective email. > > Also in the documentation it talks about changing the Header to not read > just "spam", the suggestion was to change to "SBSpam" or some other > possibility. For the life of me, I can't figure out where that edit is > possible. I just posted an email about that I hope you subscribed to the list. If not let me know. Remi -- Remi Ricard From btesler at tcg-systems.com Tue Apr 27 21:44:06 2004 From: btesler at tcg-systems.com (Beryl Tesler) Date: Tue Apr 27 21:44:22 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 Message-ID: I seem to notice an issue with Spambayes not working correctly with Outlook 2003. I did try to reinstall, but that did not resolve the issue. Is the a fix for Outlook 2003 or should I look for a different problem with Outlook? Thanks, Beryl Tesler TCG Systems, Inc. (303) 520-7644 (303) 321-1150 btesler@tcg-systems.com bthh@tcg-systems.com Handheld -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040427/c3155f87/attachment.html From papaDoc at videotron.ca Tue Apr 27 21:44:40 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (Remi Ricard) Date: Tue Apr 27 21:44:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam bayes in French ? In-Reply-To: <243458D740815144A7DB9D5D80D79596029DBC48@PUEXCB10.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> References: <243458D740815144A7DB9D5D80D79596029DBC48@PUEXCB10.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> Message-ID: <1083116679.3374.39.camel@porsche> Salut, > But its to me and with negotiation that my managers try to believe us for this opportunity. > Finally, if they agree, I should have credits to translate to make simple notices... > Not very simple, we are a big company ... If you get paid to work on Spambayes you will make some people jealous ;-) Remi -- Remi Ricard From btesler at tcg-systems.com Tue Apr 27 21:46:58 2004 From: btesler at tcg-systems.com (Beryl Tesler) Date: Tue Apr 27 21:47:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Nt Terminal Server Message-ID: What do I need to do to install Spambayes in an NT Terminal Server Environment? I have SP 6a and am running Outlook 2000. Thanks, Beryl Tesler TCG Systems, Inc. (303) 520-7644 (303) 321-1150 btesler@tcg-systems.com bthh@tcg-systems.com Handheld -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040427/2f48d405/attachment.html From btesler at tcg-systems.com Tue Apr 27 21:48:59 2004 From: btesler at tcg-systems.com (Beryl Tesler) Date: Tue Apr 27 21:49:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 Message-ID: Is there an issue with Spambayes and Outlook 2003? It is running on XP Pro running 1b. The Delete button does not work and the Drop down menu does not open up. I did try to reinstall, but it did not change anything. Thanks, Beryl Tesler TCG Systems, Inc. (303) 520-7644 (303) 321-1150 btesler@tcg-systems.com bthh@tcg-systems.com Handheld -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040427/c61c4c5b/attachment.html From pcm at cisco.com Tue Apr 27 22:10:52 2004 From: pcm at cisco.com (Paul Michali) Date: Tue Apr 27 22:10:56 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] See tab added to subject of some messages in IMAP mode??? Message-ID: <408F12AC.5010907@cisco.com> This is a really weird problem. Some of my messages that have been filtered by Spambayes have a tab character in the subject line. This shows as a little box in my mail client. I see it on some messages, not all, and usually longer subject lengths. One was on a 73 character subject. Another was a 82 character subject line. Here is an example of a recent Spambayes message header that I have: RE: [Spambayes] Spammers try to get around BAYES spam filters-withexample There is a tab between the spam and filters-withexample words. This tab is always near the end of the subject line. Any ideas? Does the filtering manipulate the subject line at all? Running 1.0b with Python 2.3.2 on Solaris 2.6 OS. PCM @ WORK (Paul Michali) From tim.one at comcast.net Tue Apr 27 23:18:43 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Tue Apr 27 23:18:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] See tab added to subject of some messages in IMAPmode??? In-Reply-To: <408F12AC.5010907@cisco.com> Message-ID: [Paul Michali] > This is a really weird problem. Some of my messages that > have been filtered by Spambayes have a tab character in > the subject line. This shows as a little box in my mail > client. The most important question may be "which mail client"? > I see it on some messages, not all, and usually longer > subject lengths. One was on a 73 character subject. > Another was a 82 character subject line. Here is an > example of a recent Spambayes message header that I > have: > > RE: [Spambayes] Spammers try to get around BAYES spam filters-withexample > > There is a tab between the spam and filters-withexample > words. This tab is always near the end of the subject > line. > > Any ideas? Does the filtering manipulate the subject > line at all? Running 1.0b with Python 2.3.2 on Solaris > 2.6 OS. Unclear. It sounds like all that's happening is that the Subject is getting rewritten in RFC822-compliant fashion, splitting a "long" Subject line across multiple lines, where the continuation lines (all but the first) begin with a tab character. Most email clients will fold continued header lines together again for display, replacing the run of leading whitespace (including tabs) with a single blank. So best guess is that your mail client doesn't do that, showing you the tab character literally. If it's any consolation, when Outlook displays a Subject line continued across multiple physical lines, it gets rid of *all* whitespace at the line boundaries. So, in your example, it would smush "spam" and "filters..." together. From tim.one at comcast.net Tue Apr 27 23:18:43 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Tue Apr 27 23:18:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Beryl Tesler] > I seem to notice an issue with Spambayes not working correctly with > Outlook 2003. I did try to reinstall, but that did not resolve the > issue. Is the a fix for Outlook 2003 or should I look for a different > problem with Outlook? I'm running the Outlook addin in Outlook 2003 (build 11.5608.5703) with no problems, on WinXP Pro SP1. Please supply details about what "not working correctly" means, exactly? From btesler at tcg-systems.com Wed Apr 28 00:16:43 2004 From: btesler at tcg-systems.com (Beryl Tesler) Date: Wed Apr 28 00:16:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 Message-ID: The delete button does not delete. When I try to access the Spambayes drop down nothing happens. I tried to delete the application and still have the items on the tool bar. I am including the log file that had information in it. Thanks for your help. Registered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin Registration complete. Also, Unregistered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin Beryl Tesler TCG Systems, Inc. (303) 520-7644 (303) 321-1150 btesler@tcg-systems.com bthh@tcg-systems.com Handheld -----Original Message----- From: Tim Peters [mailto:tim.one@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:19 PM To: 'Beryl Tesler'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 [Beryl Tesler] > I seem to notice an issue with Spambayes not working correctly with > Outlook 2003. I did try to reinstall, but that did not resolve the > issue. Is the a fix for Outlook 2003 or should I look for a different > problem with Outlook? I'm running the Outlook addin in Outlook 2003 (build 11.5608.5703) with no problems, on WinXP Pro SP1. Please supply details about what "not working correctly" means, exactly? From btesler at tcg-systems.com Wed Apr 28 00:19:01 2004 From: btesler at tcg-systems.com (Beryl Tesler) Date: Wed Apr 28 00:19:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 Message-ID: Tim, I am not sure if I had a problem before I installed the new version of Spambayes, 0b1 Beryl Tesler TCG Systems, Inc. (303) 520-7644 (303) 321-1150 btesler@tcg-systems.com bthh@tcg-systems.com Handheld -----Original Message----- From: Tim Peters [mailto:tim.one@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:19 PM To: 'Beryl Tesler'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 [Beryl Tesler] > I seem to notice an issue with Spambayes not working correctly with > Outlook 2003. I did try to reinstall, but that did not resolve the > issue. Is the a fix for Outlook 2003 or should I look for a different > problem with Outlook? I'm running the Outlook addin in Outlook 2003 (build 11.5608.5703) with no problems, on WinXP Pro SP1. Please supply details about what "not working correctly" means, exactly? From jwilliam at xmission.com Wed Apr 28 01:15:51 2004 From: jwilliam at xmission.com (Jerry Williams) Date: Wed Apr 28 01:15:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] 2 Copies running at the same time? Message-ID: I was talking with someone and they wanted to run outlook on a machine and have it on all of the time and have the spambayes plugin loaded so that they didn't have to wait for all of the spam to get moved when they started outlook. But I believe that the score information is local to the machine. This is using exchange by the way. The problem I see would be that things that didn't get caught by the first machine would be trained on the second machine and so training might degrade on the first machine. Just wondering what people think about the 2 copy situation? Another thing that would be nice in the future would be proxy support for updates. Thanks to everyone for such a great program and their hard work! From pcm at cisco.com Wed Apr 28 06:33:52 2004 From: pcm at cisco.com (Paul Michali) Date: Wed Apr 28 06:33:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] See tab added to subject of some messages in IMAPmode??? In-Reply-To: <200404280322.i3S3JOJl011818@sj-inbound-1.cisco.com> References: <200404280322.i3S3JOJl011818@sj-inbound-1.cisco.com> Message-ID: <408F8890.9060609@cisco.com> Tim Peters wrote: > [Paul Michali] > >>This is a really weird problem. Some of my messages that >>have been filtered by Spambayes have a tab character in >>the subject line. This shows as a little box in my mail >>client. > > > The most important question may be "which mail client"? I'm using Netscape 7.1 on my PC as the prime e-mail client. >>RE: [Spambayes] Spammers try to get around BAYES spam filters-withexample >> >>There is a tab between the spam and filters-withexample >>words. This tab is always near the end of the subject >>line. > ... > It sounds like all that's happening is that the Subject is getting > rewritten in RFC822-compliant fashion, splitting a "long" Subject line > across multiple lines, where the continuation lines (all but the first) > begin with a tab character. Most email clients will fold continued header > lines together again for display, replacing the run of leading whitespace > (including tabs) with a single blank. So best guess is that your mail > client doesn't do that, showing you the tab character literally. > > If it's any consolation, when Outlook displays a Subject line continued > across multiple physical lines, it gets rid of *all* whitespace at the line > boundaries. So, in your example, it would smush "spam" and "filters..." > together. I just tried Outlook (first time ever) and it did exactly what you said. Hmmm. I guess I shouldn't worry about it. I just was surprised, as I've never seen this before I started using Spambayes, so it must be rewriting the Subject. Thanks, I was worried about what was happening! PCM @ WORK (Paul Michali) From Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com Wed Apr 28 07:52:10 2004 From: Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com (Robert Mezzone) Date: Wed Apr 28 07:52:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 Message-ID: <1254A68F4903D411B24800508B1220E9037A84F9@solomon1.pjsc.internal> Did you check Disabled Items? Help, About Outlook, Disabled Items button. You have to restart Outlook for change to take affect. I'm running on Outlook 2003 wo any problems. Robert -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org To: spambayes@python.org Sent: Tue Apr 27 21:48:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 Is there an issue with Spambayes and Outlook 2003? It is running on XP Pro running 1b. The Delete button does not work and the Drop down menu does not open up. I did try to reinstall, but it did not change anything. Thanks, Beryl Tesler TCG Systems, Inc. (303) 520-7644 (303) 321-1150 btesler@tcg-systems.com bthh@tcg-systems.com Handheld From hunterboswell_xl at laufwerk.de Wed Apr 28 08:17:14 2004 From: hunterboswell_xl at laufwerk.de (hunterboswell_xl@laufwerk.de) Date: Wed Apr 28 08:17:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Ihre Mail an hunterboswell_xl@laufwerk.de enthielt einen Virus Message-ID: <97385.3126940416@d103.x-mailer.de> Die von Ihnen an hunterboswell_xl@laufwerk.de versandte Mail mit dem Betreff " Mail Delivery (failure hunterboswell_xl@laufwerk.de)" enthielt einen Virus: ( Worm.SomeFool.P) Die Mail wurde auf dem Mail-Server gel?scht und NICHT ausgeliefert! Bitte pr?fen Sie Ihr System mit einem geeigeneten AntiVirus Scanner. Your mail to hunterboswell_xl@laufwerk.de with subject " Mail Delivery (failure hunterboswell_xl@laufwerk.de)" contained malicious content: ( Worm.SomeFool.P) Your mail was deleted and has not been delivered to the recipient. Please check your system with an anti-virus scanner! From JFazio at TBIC.COM Wed Apr 28 09:10:13 2004 From: JFazio at TBIC.COM (Jeff Fazio) Date: Wed Apr 28 09:09:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Delete as spam / Recover from spam buttons not working Message-ID: <6338CB478D96144D85E1A2255C6DCCFD05CFD2@tbic02.tbic.com> I am using Windows 2000 sp4 Spambayes Outlook Addin Binary Version 0.9 Log File below. Spambayes seems to be working fine when new messages come in. It will move them to the junk email / suspects folder. The problem I am having is when I hit the say recover from spam button to move it back to my inbox, it will not do anything. I have tried to unistall / reinstall the program and it still won't work. Any suggestions would be great. Thanks. Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\jfazio\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db' Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\jfazio\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db' Bayes database initialized with 113 spam and 29 good messages *** - message database has 121 messages - bayes has 142 - something is screwey SpamBayes Outlook Addin Binary Version 0.9 (February 2004) starting (with engine SpamBayes Engine Version 0.3 (January 2004)) on Windows 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 4) using Python 2.3.2+ (#49, Oct 23 2003, 15:50:06) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] SpamBayes: Watching (for filtering) in 'Mailbox - Jeff Fazio/Inbox' SpamBayes: Watching (for incremental training) in 'Mailbox - Jeff Fazio/Junk E-Mail' Processing missed spam in folder 'Inbox' by starting a timer Creating new SpamBayes toolbar to host our buttons Recovering to folder 'Inbox' and ham training message 'confirm b18f739e16d841e99132b32f3d0d3f956b6448aa' - Training on message 'confirm b18f739e16d841e99132b32f3d0d3f956b6448aa' in 'Mailbox - Jeff Fazio/Junk Suspects - pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method. Traceback (most recent call last): File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 275, in _Invoke_ File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 280, in _invoke_ File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 542, in _invokeex_ File "addin.pyc", line 700, in OnClick File "addin.pyc", line 142, in TrainAsHam File "train.pyc", line 52, in train_message File "spambayes\classifier.pyc", line 273, in learn File "spambayes\classifier.pyc", line 384, in _add_msg File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 281, in _wordinfoset File "shelve.pyc", line 130, in __setitem__ File "bsddb\__init__.pyc", line 120, in __setitem__ bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery') TabProcessor Done Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\jfazio\Application Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini SpamBayes: Watching (for filtering) in 'Mailbox - Jeff Fazio/Inbox' SpamBayes: Watching (for incremental training) in 'Mailbox - Jeff Fazio/Junk E-Mail' Message 'You could make $24,000 in 24 hours ' in 'Mailbox - Jeff Fazio/Inbox' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\jfazio\Application Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini SpamBayes: Watching (for filtering) in 'Mailbox - Jeff Fazio/Inbox' SpamBayes: Watching (for incremental training) in 'Mailbox - Jeff Fazio/Junk E-Mail' Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\jfazio\Application Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini SpamBayes: Watching (for filtering) in 'Mailbox - Jeff Fazio/Inbox' SpamBayes: Watching (for incremental training) in 'Mailbox - Jeff Fazio/Junk E-Mail' From papaDoc at videotron.ca Wed Apr 28 09:53:27 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Wed Apr 28 09:53:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: unsure,Re: [spambayes-dev] wish from new user In-Reply-To: <004e01c42cf6$c93b4c20$6401a8c0@nl> References: <008201c42ca5$119f6020$6501a8c0@nl> <1083116062.3374.28.camel@porsche> <004e01c42cf6$c93b4c20$6401a8c0@nl> Message-ID: <408FB757.70103@videotron.ca> Hi, >Tx for your fast response. There seems no way to set this property in the >ini file. The downloadable windows executable does not contain any >"options.py" file. > > > There might be a way. (but again I'm not using the windows executable so ....) In your .ini file you can add/change (depending of what you have aready) the [Headers] section to [Headers] include_score:True notate_to: ham_what_you_want_here header_ham_string: what_you_want_here >>>As a new user I would like to be able to set the word Spambayes uses >>>to mark spam myself (or it should default to something like "*spam*" . >>>The way it works now I would have all correspondence with "spam" in >>>the subjectline discarded by OE. Sometimes people I know send me >>>questions about spam. >>> >>> >>This is not simple but it is possible. (I did not test the following so >>you are on our own) >> >>Find the file Options.py >> >>change >>"header_ham_string", "Ham disposition name"", "ham" to >>"header_ham_string", "Ham disposition name"", "what_you_want_here" >> >>and >>The notate_to ...... ("ham","spam",unsure") to >>("what_you_want_here","spam",unsure") >> >> Remi -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Email From cbrake at accelent.com Wed Apr 28 11:05:05 2004 From: cbrake at accelent.com (Cliff Brake) Date: Wed Apr 28 11:06:14 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] uncaptured python exception Message-ID: <200404281105.05026.cbrake@accelent.com> Using the pop proxy and when I forward ham or spam messages to it, I get the following. I used to work fine. Any suggestions -- thanks! Cliff [cbrake@gus spambayes]$ SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0b1 (April 2004) and engine SpamBayes Engine Version 0.3 (January 2004). Loading database... SMTP Listener on port 1026 is proxying mercury.accelent.com:25 Listener on port 1025 is proxying mercury.accelent.com:110 User interface url is http://localhost:8880/ error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel (bsddb.error:(22, 'Invalid argument') [/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py|poll|100] [/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py|handle_read_event|397] [/usr/lib/python2.2/asynchat.py|handle_read|130] [/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/smtpproxy.py|found_terminator|240] [/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/smtpproxy.py|onProcessData|340] [/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/smtpproxy.py|train|448] [/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py|learn|273] [/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py|_add_msg|384] [/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py|_wordinfoset|281] [/usr/lib/python2.2/shelve.py|__setitem__|77]) From decoburn at comcast.net Wed Apr 28 11:37:09 2004 From: decoburn at comcast.net (Dennis Coburn) Date: Wed Apr 28 11:37:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Spambayes In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CF3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Tony, It appears that the database corruption was the cause of the problem. I deleted everything in the database directory, restarted Outlook and it works fine. It is possible that I had two copies of Outlook running at the same time, though not intentionally. Otherwise it's a pretty standard installation. If it happens again I'll try to figure out what happened. Thanks for your help, Dennis Dennis E. Coburn Coburn Engineering Co. 18 Sandy Pond Parkway Bedford, NH 03110 voice: 603-668-4272 fax: 603-668-7208 email: decoburn@comcast.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 4:27 AM > To: decoburn@comcast.net; spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Problem with Spambayes > > > > I've been using Spambayes for some time now with > > great success. However, the last few days I seem > > to have developed a problem. The filter, aparently, > > still works. However, if I highlight a file in Junk > > Suspects and click on "Delete as Spam" nothing happens. > > > > I've tried the fixes in the troubleshooter and downloaded > > the latest version to no avail. > > > > I'm running Outlook 2000 SR-1 under Windows XP, home version. > > > > Can you suggest how I might fix this problem? The log > > file is attached. > > Your database has become corrupted. The only solution is to retrain from > scratch. > > This is extremely rare - especially so with the Outlook plug-in - > and we're > not sure what can cause this that we don't already try and prevent. What > version of SpamBayes are you using? Is there anything odd about > your setup? > (like you have set your data directory to be on a shared drive, > or more than > one copy of Outlook accesses the database at the same time). Has > Outlook or > your computer crashed during SpamBayes training at any time? > > =Tony Meyer > > --- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This > way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. > > From e-mmunity at electric.net Wed Apr 28 12:13:43 2004 From: e-mmunity at electric.net (e-mmunity@electric.net) Date: Wed Apr 28 12:14:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Sender Virus Alert Message-ID: Date: Wed Apr 28 09:13:43 2004 Recipient: 3dsaltman@greshaminc.com Sender: spambayes@python.org Message id: 1BIrgQ-00049Y-4h{MM-1BIrgc-0004HB-000E89-000} Subject: read it immediately Virus name: W32/Netsky-B Attachment: misc.doc.scr Status: Messaged deleted Notified: sender From bherrington at lineone.net Wed Apr 28 12:23:20 2004 From: bherrington at lineone.net (Bruce Herrington) Date: Wed Apr 28 12:23:48 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Offer of assistance Message-ID: I use your software which I find to be effective, and as a result I'd be very willing to offer my assistance, although my programming skills are pretty limited. I have reasonable HTML and Javascript knowledge, plus some experience with MS Visual Basic 6.0, although I've only run a couple of projects through to completion. BRUCE HERRINGTON -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040428/548f7e75/attachment.html From Danny.Bloemendaal at companion.nl Wed Apr 28 13:47:03 2004 From: Danny.Bloemendaal at companion.nl (Danny Bloemendaal) Date: Wed Apr 28 13:47:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] first item not scanned Message-ID: <4F921A056342324B8F02280235DF4F9201202F22@golf.informaat.com> Hi, I noticed since I updated to the latest Outlook version (Outlook XP) that whenever I launch Outlook, the first spam item (in my Inbox) is not scanned. I have to manually mark it as spam. Any idea what could be causing this? Danny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040428/9b22f450/attachment.html From morandi.d at bureaumatique.fr Wed Apr 28 13:53:58 2004 From: morandi.d at bureaumatique.fr (Didier MORANDI) Date: Wed Apr 28 13:50:31 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Exchange and Spambayes Message-ID: <18863F8AE900B149B329B99B050172574AC37F@serveur2k.btq.bureaumatique.fr> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040428/9736632c/attachment.html From gryphon at unscent.com Wed Apr 28 14:47:03 2004 From: gryphon at unscent.com (Greg Walson) Date: Wed Apr 28 14:47:09 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Cron Error Message-ID: I got a strange error from my Cron Report when it tried to train Spam Bayes last night. I have attached copies of the Cron report as well as messages 91 and 92, one of which seems to be causing the problem. I'm going to delete the messages for tonight and see if that fixes the problem, but thought you might want to see it. I'm running Pine 4.44 on a server using Red Hat 9. Not sure which version of SpamBayes I'm running, but it's not the latest. Thanks, -g -- 42 -------------- next part -------------- From gryphon@unscent.com Wed Apr 28 14:29:41 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 02:21:19 -0400 From: gryphon@unscent.com Subject: /home/gryphon/mail/Safeguard/new/1083046879.10561_0.jadzia.bu.edu Return-Path: Delivered-To: gryphon@jadzia.bu.edu Received: by jadzia.bu.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9FFBE720F9; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 02:21:19 -0400 (EDT) From: root@jadzia.bu.edu (Cron Daemon) To: gryphon@jadzia.bu.edu Subject: Cron /usr/bin/mboxtrain.py -d /home/gryphon/.hammie.db -g /home/gryphon/Mail/saved-messages -s /home/gryphon/Mail/spam X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: Message-Id: <20040427062119.9FFBE720F9@jadzia.bu.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 02:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Training ham (/home/gryphon/Mail/saved-messages): Reading as Unix mbox 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 Trained 2 out of 102 messages Training spam (/home/gryphon/Mail/spam): Reading as Unix mbox 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/mboxtrain.py", line 305, in ? main() File "/usr/bin/mboxtrain.py", line 297, in main train(h, s, True, force, trainnew, removetrained) File "/usr/bin/mboxtrain.py", line 222, in train mbox_train(h, path, is_spam, force) File "/usr/bin/mboxtrain.py", line 159, in mbox_train outf.write(msg.as_string(True)) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/email/Message.py", line 107, in as_string g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/email/Generator.py", line 100, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/email/Generator.py", line 128, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/email/Generator.py", line 154, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/email/Generator.py", line 212, in _handle_text raise TypeError, 'string payload expected: %s' % type(payload) TypeError: string payload expected: -------------- next part -------------- From atheniapeasley@yahoo.es Wed Apr 28 14:29:50 2004 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 01:53:01 +1100 From: tianna warren To: Tyson Peterson Subject: A self-made Business Finally your successful Company. 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This problem has already been entered into the Sourceforge bug tracking systems as 942262, by Steven Knight. It's happened to me too, although with sb_filter, and seems to be a problem parsing particular mime headers. Steven's problem & mine came from the same spammer, but not the same one as reported here. Mike -- Mike Causer Email - mailto:mikec@mikecauser.org GPG KeyID 1C2DDA07 WWW - http://www.mikecauser.org Flood the fen again! - Wicken Fen enlargement - http://www.wicken.org.uk From Richard.Normandin at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca Wed Apr 28 15:42:44 2004 From: Richard.Normandin at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca (Normandin, Richard) Date: Wed Apr 28 15:45:57 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Unsure spam Message-ID: when I "delete as spam" the content of the Junk suspects" folder does SpamBayse use it as training too or it just does a normal delete? Nice work! Cheers Richard Normandin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040428/543f7113/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 28 20:21:11 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 28 20:21:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Exchange and Spambayes In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13060E4B4F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CFD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I'm working these days at a place where there is an > Exchange server. Where can I find hints to configure > either the server or my Client to enable SpamBayes filtering ? > I'm using an iMac with OS X and Outlook 2001 / OS 9 > (because Entourage does not handle Exchange mail properly). I could be wrong, but I don't think there is a way to use SpamBayes client-side with Exchange (other than the Windows-only Outlook plug-in). I imagine either an Exchange proxy or (mac) Outlook plug-in would be required. OTOH, if you are able to do things with the server, I believe that some people have done this successfully. What information we have is either on the website: or the wiki . =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 28 20:23:58 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 28 20:24:09 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] first item not scanned In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13060E4B4D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CFE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I noticed since I updated to the latest Outlook > version (Outlook XP) that whenever I launch Outlook, > the first spam item (in my Inbox) is not scanned. > I have to manually mark it as spam. Any idea what > could be causing this? Are you using a reasonably old (i.e. not 1.0b1) version of SpamBayes? This was a reasonably common problem once, but has pretty much been fixed I think. If you are using 1.0b1, what do you have the "background filtering" (Advanced tab of the Manager dialog) options set to? (If you're not using 1.0b1, then we highly recommend upgrading). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 28 20:24:45 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 28 20:24:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Unsure spam In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13060E4B59@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CFF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > when I "delete as spam" the content of the Junk suspects" > folder does SpamBayse use it as training too or it just > does a normal delete? The "Delete As Spam" and "Recover From Spam" buttons both train and move the mail. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 28 20:27:15 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 28 20:27:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Delete as spam / Recover from spam buttons not working In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13060E4B3D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677D00@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [...] > *** - message database has 121 messages - bayes has 142 - something is > screwey [...] > bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal > error, run > database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery') Your database has become corrupted. The only solution is to retrain from scratch. This is extremely rare - especially so with the Outlook plug-in (although there was another report this week, which is concerning) - and we're not sure what can cause this that we don't already try and prevent. What version of SpamBayes are you using? Is there anything odd about your setup? (like you have set your data directory to be on a shared drive, or more than one copy of Outlook accesses the database at the same time). Has Outlook or your computer crashed during SpamBayes training at any time? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 28 20:46:25 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 28 20:46:40 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: unsure,Re: [spambayes-dev] wish from new user In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13060E4B44@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BD0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > In your .ini file you can add/change (depending of what you have > aready) the [Headers] section to > > [Headers] > include_score:True > notate_to: ham_what_you_want_here > header_ham_string: what_you_want_here Note that these strings will need to be identical. The header_[spam|ham|unsure]_string options can be whatever you like; the notate_to/notate_subject options must be a list of strings exactly matching the header_X_string options. For example, with the defaults, you have: header_ham_string: ham header_spam_string: spam header_unsure_string: unsure And notate_to can be (eg): notate_to: ham notate_to: spam,unsure I presume you want something like: header_ham_string: my_ham_string header_spam_string: my_spam_string header_unsure_string: my_unsure_string And notate_to can be (eg): notate_to: my_ham_string notate_to: my_spam,my_unsure_string Changing the header_X_string options isn't exposed by the web interface because it's considered even more advanced an option than the options on the advanced configuration page. It's not generally required (a few Outlook Express users are the exception), and it's (as a result) had little testing, although it should work fine. Note: it's possible (likely) that if you make these changes, you'll get a warning (in the log) that you are using invalid values for the notate_to/notate_subject options, and they'll have no effect. This is because the valid values for those options are fixed to "ham", "spam", "unsure", or some combination thereof. I'll check in a fix for this, but for the moment you will actually have to alter the Options.py file if you want to do this (filtering on "spam," (note the comma) would really be a much cleaner solution, any unlikely to result in many false positives). To alter the Options.py file in the binary distribution, you'll have to get a copy of the source file (you can do this either by downloading the source 1.0b1 distribution or via sourceforge's web CVS system ). Search for "notate_to" and at the end of the section you'll see a line that has "ham", "spam" and "unsure". Change these to whatever you want to use instead. You'll then have to find the spambayes.zip file in the lib directory in the directory you installed SpamBayes into. Open this zip file and remove the Options.pyc file inside it. Add the spambayes/Options.py file (making sure that you add it so that the path includes the "spambayes" directory) to the archive. In other words, it's a very complicated process. Instead, you could run from source. Just grab the source distribution, change the Options.py file, and you're done. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 28 20:53:12 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 28 20:53:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: unsure,Re: [spambayes-dev] wish from new user In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13060E4D01@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677D02@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I'll check in a fix for this I thought about it more, and I'll do this after 1.0. I've open a tracker - you can add to it if you wish to comment: [ 944109 ] notate_to/subject option valid values should be dynamic =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From papaDoc at videotron.ca Wed Apr 28 21:04:50 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (Remi Ricard) Date: Wed Apr 28 21:04:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: unsure,Re: [spambayes-dev] wish from new user In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BD0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BD0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1083200690.3340.5.camel@porsche> Hi, > > notate_to: ham_what_you_want_here > > header_ham_string: what_you_want_here > > Note that these strings will need to be identical. Grrrr, I should never do two things at the same time. > To alter the Options.py file in the binary distribution, you'll have to get > a copy of the source file (you can do this either by downloading the source > 1.0b1 distribution or via sourceforge's web CVS system > ). In the binary version there is no file created with the options different than the default options ? When you do a Save configuration in the web interface the options should be saved in a file. This file can be edited and this can be simpler. Remi -- Remi Ricard From grobinson at transpose.com Wed Apr 28 22:24:31 2004 From: grobinson at transpose.com (Gary Robinson) Date: Wed Apr 28 22:24:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] New chi improvement Message-ID: Hi, After a looong time I have a test setup to test an idea I've had in mind for a year or so. I tested it and it looks like it actually helps. (At least the test result was statistically significant by my count.) Abstract: > One of the many techniques which has recently been employed for filtering spam > is one describedin the Linux Journal article A Statistical Approach to the > Spam Problem. This technique incorporates ideas from the seminal article A > Plan For Spam as well as R.A.Fisher's technique for combining p-values by > means of the chi-square distribution. The technique presented in here takes > the chi-square-based approach a step further by taking into account two facts: > a) there is redundancy in the token probabilities, and b) spam andham emails > have different amounts of such redundancy. Fivefold cross-validation was > carried out on the new technique and is described here testing whether these > factors actually lead to better performance. The results were positive and > statistically significant. http://www.garyrobinson.net/2004/04/improved_chi.html If you have an interest in the chi technique, I hope you'll take a look and I look forward to any comments! --Gary -- Putting http://wecanstopspam.org in your email helps it pass through overzealous spam filters. Gary Robinson CEO Transpose, LLC grobinson@transpose.com 207-942-3463 Company: http://www.transpose.com Blog: http://www.garyrobinson.net From aw-confirm at eBay.com Wed Apr 28 18:13:29 2004 From: aw-confirm at eBay.com (Safe-Harbour) Date: Wed Apr 28 23:53:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Please verify eBay account Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040429/f48a9131/attachment-0001.html From bwebb2 at woh.rr.com Thu Apr 29 00:04:23 2004 From: bwebb2 at woh.rr.com (Brad Webb) Date: Thu Apr 29 00:06:31 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] user needs help Message-ID: <028f01c42d9f$0e34ae40$0301a8c0@bwdell> Hello, I need some direction please. Using Spambayes 1.0b1 with MS Office XP 2002 - Outlook. Also using Windows XP home. I have two concerns: 1) I have some email addresses from senders who are safe and I want to receive their emails, however, not matter what options I set, they always end up in the junk senders' folder. 2) Along with problem #1 please note that whenever I highlight an email in the junk senders list, which I've determined is not a junk sender, and click on the smiley face "Recover from Spam" button, nothing ever happens. That very same sender will end up right back in the junk senders' folder on their next email to me. I also do not understand how I'm supposed to be "training" the program how to respond to different senders. Whenever I manually move a good email out of the spam into its proper folder, it never remembers the action. I probably just not a good teacher :-( Please advise. Thank you Brad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040429/951c56ed/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 29 01:29:47 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 29 01:30:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] user needs help In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13060E4D7D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2BD5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have two concerns: > > 1) I have some email addresses from senders who > are safe and I want to receive their emails, however, > not matter what options I set, they always end up in > the junk senders' folder. FAQ 6.6 talks a lot about this: You can get the same functionality, if you really want it, by using Outlook's own rule system to intercept trusted messages before SpamBayes gets hold of them. However these should be easily trainable (see below). > 2) Along with problem #1 please note that whenever > I highlight an email in the junk senders list, which > I've determined is not a junk sender, and click on the > smiley face "Recover from Spam" button, nothing ever > happens. That very same sender will end up right back > in the junk senders' folder on their next email to me. This really indicates that something is going wrong with training. The only way we can figure out what it is is if you select a message (before clicking "Recover from Spam") and choose "Show Spam Clues for this message" from the SpamBayes menu. This opens up a message with the clues used to classify that message. You might be able to see from the clues why it scored what it did, but if you can't, then forward it on to the list and we'll explain what's going wrong. > I also do not understand how I'm supposed to be "training" > the program how to respond to different senders. Whenever > I manually move a good email out of the spam into its proper > folder, it never remembers the action. Note that SpamBayes cares very little about the sender of the message (it's one clue - token - among many). If you're using the "Recover from spam" or "Delete as spam" buttons, then it should be doing the appropriate training. Moving the message without using those buttons may or may not be training, depending on your option settings. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From reinhart.schaefer at siemens.com Thu Apr 29 06:47:53 2004 From: reinhart.schaefer at siemens.com (Schaefer Reinhart) Date: Thu Apr 29 06:48:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] URGENT! Change of location of "default_bayes_database.db" require d Message-ID: Hi to all! Who can help me to change the location of "default_bayes_database.db". Due to the fact, that at work my profile size is limited and the database is now over 10 MB (!!!), I have to move it. As I am the only user on my client I wouldn't see any problem to move it on to my data disk D: with the advantage being saved regularily. A quick study of FAQ and Mailing list couldn't help me. Thanks in advance Reinhart From eSafe at tadcomm.com Thu Apr 29 07:16:17 2004 From: eSafe at tadcomm.com (eSafe@tadcomm.com) Date: Thu Apr 29 07:36:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] This is an alert from eSafe Message-ID: <04Apr29.141618idt.119460@holongate.tadcomm.com> *** eSafe detected a hostile content in this email. *** Time: 14:19:09 04/29/04 Scan result: Mail modified to remove malicious content Protocol: SMTP in File Name / Mail Subject: f:\Program Files\eSafe\eSafeCR\SPOOL\1082960575 Source: spambayes@python.org Destination: _lavie@tadcomm.com Details: game__lavie.zip\data.rtf .scr Infected with Win32.Netsky.q (Non-Removable), Blocked From duvys.media at verizon.net Thu Apr 29 10:01:34 2004 From: duvys.media at verizon.net (Duvys Web Development) Date: Thu Apr 29 10:01:40 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] adding spam bayes to another computer Message-ID: <01f001c42df2$7b8c14d0$0100a8c0@DuvysMain> I would like to add spambayes to my laptop but don't want to re-train it. What files should I copy from my computer to my laptop for it to know my trained information. Thanks. You guys did a great job! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040429/db8bffe6/attachment.html From papaDoc at videotron.ca Thu Apr 29 10:14:44 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Thu Apr 29 10:14:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] adding spam bayes to another computer In-Reply-To: <01f001c42df2$7b8c14d0$0100a8c0@DuvysMain> References: <01f001c42df2$7b8c14d0$0100a8c0@DuvysMain> Message-ID: <40910DD4.5080103@videotron.ca> Duvys Web Development wrote: > I would like to add spambayes to my laptop but don't want to re-train > it. What files should I copy from my computer to my laptop for it to > know my trained information. You can look at this FAQ http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#can-i-share-move-my-training-data-from-one-computer-to-another Remi -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Email From vesanto at nutrispeak.com Thu Apr 29 12:51:26 2004 From: vesanto at nutrispeak.com (Vesanto Melina) Date: Thu Apr 29 13:17:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes bug or virus? Message-ID: SpamBayes people, In my computer, every now and then the "Junk" folder keeps vanishing, and the Spam filter won't work, though at other times it works wonderfully. Then I get this message: The Spam folder is invalid. NotFoundException )0x800 4010A (MAP1_E_OBJECT_DELETED) OLE error 0x800 4010A Why does this happen and how can I prevent it? Thanks, Vesanto Melina Phone (604) 882-6782 Email vesanto@nutrispeak.com Web http://www.nutrispeak.com From grobinson at transpose.com Thu Apr 29 13:35:28 2004 From: grobinson at transpose.com (Gary Robinson) Date: Thu Apr 29 13:35:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Version .91 of chi article Message-ID: Many thanks to Greg Louis and David Relson who found some typos in my paper. In particular Eq. 3 was erroneous, so please use the new version if you're interested in doing any testing on it. The new version is "version .91". Version .91 is here: http://garyrob.blogs.com//handlingtokenredundancy91.pdf In general, updates will be posted to this Web page: http://www.garyrobinson.net/2004/04/improved_chi.html --Gary -- Putting http://wecanstopspam.org in your email helps it pass through overzealous spam filters. Gary Robinson CEO Transpose, LLC grobinson@transpose.com 207-942-3463 Company: http://www.transpose.com Blog: http://www.garyrobinson.net From skip at pobox.com Thu Apr 29 15:22:40 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Thu Apr 29 15:22:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes bug or virus? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16529.22016.281977.916817@montanaro.dyndns.org> Vesanto> In my computer, every now and then the "Junk" folder keeps Vesanto> vanishing, and the Spam filter won't work, though at other Vesanto> times it works wonderfully. I think you want to check out FAQ 3.13: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam-folder Skip From kevin at kleinfelter.com Thu Apr 29 18:22:14 2004 From: kevin at kleinfelter.com (Kevin Kleinfelter) Date: Thu Apr 29 18:22:24 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Context Sensitive Menus Message-ID: <20040429222219.YFWA1774.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@kevinpc> VB7 source code to modify the context menu of an email has been added to www.kleinfelter.com. It turns out to be a documented interface. Anyone interested in taking on this enchantment to the Outlook plugin? Cheers, Kevin Kleinfelter -----Original Message----- From: Kenny Pitt [mailto:kennypitt@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 1:30 PM To: 'Kevin Kleinfelter'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Context Sensitive Menus Kevin Kleinfelter wrote: > Is anyone working on adding context sensitive (right-click) menus for > Spambayes to the Outlook plug-in? How big a deal would it be? > > I've got a plethora of toolbars for various apps and I'd like to > reclaim the real estate. I'm thinking right-click, "Delete as Spam" > and right-click "Recover from Spam". I've looked at that before because I think it would be nice to have. Unfortunately, if Microsoft has provided any access to Outlook's context menus, they've hidden it very well. I would love to hear from anyone who has information or sample code for doing this. -- Kenny Pitt From tom at airmoversinc.com Thu Apr 29 18:15:19 2004 From: tom at airmoversinc.com (Tom Roche) Date: Thu Apr 29 18:28:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Blocked domain Message-ID: I have a few customers that have complained since we installed this program that their emails are being returned saying their domain is blocked from sending me email. I have explored all I care to at this point to figure it out. Can you advise me what could have caused this and how to correct it? The two domains are lfjennings. com and updinc.com if that helps. Tom Roche Air Movers, Inc. 7721-B2 Fullerton Road Springfield, VA 22153 (703) 451-7477 ext 13 (703) 569-4248 fax -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2020 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040429/ae102132/winmail.bin From tim.one at comcast.net Thu Apr 29 18:44:48 2004 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Thu Apr 29 18:44:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Blocked domain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Tom Roche] > I have a few customers that have complained since we installed this > program that their emails are being returned saying their domain is > blocked from sending me email. I have explored all I care to at this > point to figure it out. Can you advise me what could have caused this > and how to correct it? ... SpamBayes isn't involved in retrieving your email, and never sends email to anyone. IOW, it's coincidence that this started happening after you installed the program. The right place to contact is your ISP -- whichever company it is that provides you with email service. They're probably blacklisting the domains themselves. From lux at mindnet.org Thu Apr 29 21:14:23 2004 From: lux at mindnet.org (Jacques Maurissen) Date: Thu Apr 29 21:11:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes & Mac Message-ID: Does Spambayes work with Mac OS9 system? If so, where do I download it from? Thanks Jacques From bodyacoustics at adelphia.net Thu Apr 29 23:22:49 2004 From: bodyacoustics at adelphia.net (Raffy Mattson) Date: Thu Apr 29 23:23:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Do you want a bigger P_EN1S? Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040429/f3ef81c5/attachment.html From skip at pobox.com Fri Apr 30 06:14:58 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri Apr 30 06:15:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express In-Reply-To: <000a01c42e66$8bd572e0$a9426644@Nelson> References: <000a01c42e66$8bd572e0$a9426644@Nelson> Message-ID: <16530.10018.78623.196611@montanaro.dyndns.org> Lynn> Does the SpamBayes Outlook Add-In work with Outlook Express. If Lynn> not, how can I make it work with Outlook Express. I am running Lynn> Windows XP You can use the POP3 proxy (sb_server.py) or the IMAP filter (sb_imapfilter.py) with Outlook Express. For more details consult the Spambayes website: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-express http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html#non-outlook Skip From NAINTSERVERNTSERVER at mitc.co.uk Fri Apr 30 06:46:39 2004 From: NAINTSERVERNTSERVER at mitc.co.uk (GroupShield for Exchange (NTSERVER)) Date: Fri Apr 30 06:46:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] ALERT - GroupShield ticket number OA202_1083321995_NTSERVER_1 wa s generated Message-ID: Action Taken: The attachment was quarantined from the message and replaced with a text file informing the recipient of the action taken. To: mail@mitc.co.uk From: spambayes@python.org Sent: -502796160,29634209 Subject: Re: Status Attachment Details:- Attachment Name: data_mail.zip File: data_mail.zip Infected? Yes Repaired? No Blocked? No Deleted? No Virus Name: W32/Netsky.p@MM!zip -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From brewerg at vt.edu Fri Apr 30 10:21:15 2004 From: brewerg at vt.edu (Brewer, Gary) Date: Fri Apr 30 10:21:21 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <89DE71075FCD6E44A4D117FBFBBD801C0148FFAD@fangorn.cc.vt.edu> I haven't seen any response to my question so I'll try again. Running Spambayes with Outlook 2003/exchange/XP, if a message is highlighted and I click "delete as spam" it deletes it but the view stays the same..i.e. it appears to still be sitting in the folder (and still shows in the folder view) until you click off of it and then it disappears. In 2002 it would disappear immediately. Any ideas why? Thanks, Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040430/e7b6d4c6/attachment.html From gwyn at carwardine.net Fri Apr 30 03:24:47 2004 From: gwyn at carwardine.net (Gwyn Carwardine) Date: Fri Apr 30 10:32:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes not automatically filtering in Outlook 2000 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304677CA6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Yes, spambayes is enabled. Background filtering has been turned both on and off doesn't seem to make a difference.. in fact I can't see what that would do as it takes so long to kick in, meanwhile my rules would have moved the message out of the inbox into the appropriate sub folder. Perhaps I misunderstand. Logfile attached. Thanks, Gwyn -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: 22 April 2004 01:46 To: gwyn@carwardine.net; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Spambayes not automatically filtering in Outlook 2000 > Hi, I'm a long time Spambayes user but recently rebuilt my > machine. Now Spambayes does not run automatically. Everything > suggests that it should be doing so but it isn't - I have to > run the filter manually. In the Manager dialog (from the SpamBayes menu) is the "Enable SpamBayes" box ticked? If it's not then tick it. If it's greyed out, then there should be an explanation of why in the status box above it. If nothing works (even the SpamBayes menu) then Outlook has probably disabled SpamBayes (this tends to happen particularly when you update Outlook); this is relevant for Outlook 2002/XP and above (OL2K doesn't appear to have this 'feature'). From the Outlook Help menu, choose "About Microsoft Outlook" and click "Disabled Items". Check to see if SpamBayes is there (and if it is, enable it again). Otherwise, your log file would really help (us) here. The troubleshooting guide explains where to find that. A copy of the troubleshooting guide can be reached from the SpamBayes Help menu (if it works); I think a copy is also installed in the Start menu (could be wrong), and one is certainly in the folder you installed SpamBayes into. If all else fails, there's one online: Find the log and attach it to a message to the list, and we'll look into it. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: spambayes1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 150791 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040430/cd21e06e/spambayes1-0001.obj From hsmith at bpu.com Fri Apr 30 11:59:08 2004 From: hsmith at bpu.com (Hal Smith) Date: Fri Apr 30 11:59:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Multiple User Configuration . Message-ID: I finally broke down at Christmas time and bought W2K machines for my teenagers, I also got the M$oft Office 2003 for Educators and Students with a sufficient number of bundled licenses for the machines, and it comes with Outlook 2003. So I have a W2K peer-to-peer network at home. All of us have logins to the main machine (mine) but the teens only have power user logins. That machine is the only one connected to the net, and that is by dial-up. I'm running the VComm System Suite 5.02 package with the bundled Trend AV and Sygate Firewall. Internet connection sharing is disable and will never be enabled if I have my way. I've set their Outlook profiles up on the net connected machine to use a PST file on a share on each of their machines over the home peer-to-peer. They are only supposed to use the main machine to retrieve their mail, then log off the net, and the main machine and then read their mail on their own machines. If they need to send mail, it is composed on their machines, they log off of that machine and then logon to the main machine, connect and then send. We use sub-accounts on SBC-Yahoo, which the main machine grabs via POP3 and sends via SMTP. This all works like a champ. However, what I'd like to know is the best way to configure Spambayes in this environment. A single instance on the main machine, instances on each machine? OL2003 issues to work with? Your considered advice is appreciated. -h o???`???o,,,,o???`???o,,,,o???`???oo???`???o,,,,o???`???o LeadershipOneLiner: Let me know immediately if you have good news, and SOONER if you have bad news. From vanny at sion.com Fri Apr 30 08:56:29 2004 From: vanny at sion.com (Silvana Ibarra) Date: Fri Apr 30 12:16:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <008f01c42eb2$8f33a780$72b8fea9@silvana> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040430/db7a85b3/attachment.html From dll at scitools.com Fri Apr 30 13:25:21 2004 From: dll at scitools.com (Dan Leavitt) Date: Fri Apr 30 13:25:48 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] training error on very long lines Message-ID: <02f001c42ed8$25b2b960$170aa8c0@DELL> Hi, I'm starting to get these error messages once in a while, apparently when training from messages with very long lines. Have I missed a fix for this or is this an existing bug? Dan Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 351, in ? main() File "/usr/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 342, in main train(h, s, True, force, trainnew, removetrained) File "/usr/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 266, in train mbox_train(h, path, is_spam, force) File "/usr/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 193, in mbox_train outf.write(msg.as_string(True)) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/email/Message.py", line 107, in as_string g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/email/Generator.py", line 100, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/email/Generator.py", line 128, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/email/Generator.py", line 154, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/email/Generator.py", line 212, in _handle_text raise TypeError, 'string payload expected: %s' % type(payload) TypeError: string payload expected: The trimmed cut and pasted message is: >From uvsna@stny.rr.com Wed Apr 28 23:40:55 2004 Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Dustin Cantu" Reply-To: "Dustin Cantu" To: whomever Subject: Homeowners Get the best r.ate in half the time Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 22:41:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; boundary="--05801166718280276418" X-Priority: 3 X-IP: 244.223.184.112 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: ----05801166718280276418 Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit

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When I click on "Select Training Folders", I get this: 500 Server error Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 461, in found_terminator getattr(plugin, name)(**params) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/ImapUI.py", line 222, in onTrainingfolders self._login_to_imap() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/ImapUI.py", line 217, in _login_to_imap self.imap.login(username, self.imap_pwd) File "/usr/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 212, in login BaseIMAP.login(self, username, pwd) # superclass login File "/usr/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 471, in login typ, dat = self._simple_command('LOGIN', user, self._quote(password)) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 992, in _quote arg = arg.replace('\\', '\\\\') AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'replace' Can anyone translate? Thanks! From dlewis at ins-business.com Fri Apr 30 19:36:17 2004 From: dlewis at ins-business.com (Dan Lewis) Date: Fri Apr 30 19:36:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Click "Delete as Spam" or "Recover from spam" doesn't always work Message-ID: <51281EBD0902504288C3CD5590AE06BE86CE31@intranet1.ins.jersey.net> Hey guys, Spam Bayes is a really wonderful program, one of the best ones I have found. I have come acrossed a major issue though. I went through and targeted some folders to be scanned for any current spam. It tore up those folders, both good and bad messages, so now I have to go back and forth and move things back to where they belong. What's worse, is that I can't return them by clicking "Recover from Spam". I click the button no problem, but the messages just stay in the folder. Normally a restart of Outlook would correct this issue, but even that isn't working anymore. Is there anything I can do to make sure that this works again? 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