[Spambayes] Almost everything goes to Junk Suspects even after
training.
Matthew LaCrosse
mlacrosse at nmcaa.org
Wed Nov 19 09:06:39 EST 2003
I can't seem to figure out why it keeps sending almost everything to Junk
Suspects even after doing "Recover from Spam" it does send it to my inbox
but it never seems to learn what it is that always should go to the Inbox.
Any ideas?
Matt
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Today's Topics:
1. Recall: Missing e-mail (Flakus, Gayle)
2. RE: sb_mboxtrain.py reformatting email? (Tommy Burnette)
3. RE: Few quick questions! (Tony Meyer)
4. RE: sb_mboxtrain.py reformatting email? (Barry Warsaw)
5. outlook express (Raymond Parker)
6. RE: outlook express (Tony Meyer)
7. Re: outlook express (Jim McAtee)
8. Help! (kjirstin at earthlink.net)
9. RE: outlook express (Tony Meyer)
10. RE: Help! (Tony Meyer)
11. RE: Install problem Outlook 2002//
spambayes_addin.dll//otheraddin present (Mark Howells)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:22:29 -0800
From: "Flakus, Gayle" <gflakus at sccd.ctc.edu>
Subject: [Spambayes] Recall: Missing e-mail
To: <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID:
<4B73F518F0F98A4EA67DDAA3DB84941A0119F1DB at SCCDMAIL.SCCD.CTC.EDU>
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Flakus, Gayle would like to recall the message, "Missing e-mail".
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:20:38 -0800
From: Tommy Burnette <tommy at ilm.com>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py reformatting email?
To: skip at pobox.com
Cc: barry at python.org, spambayes at python.org
Message-ID: <16314.50534.892315.807354 at evoke.lucasdigital.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Luckily I've known him long enough that I just email him directly
immediately after I heard from you, Skip :)
thanks,
Skip Montanaro writes:
| >>>>> "Tony" == Tony Meyer <tameyer at ihug.co.nz> writes:
|
| Tony> [...]
| >> If/when you find bugs, you probably will want to post them to (at
| >> least) the mimelib SF project, and possibly the Python bugs page as
| >> well.
|
| Tony> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the mimelib SF project
| Tony> basically closed now? I think that bugs are meant to be
reported
| Tony> via the Python bugs page, and probably discussed on the
email-sig
| Tony> (http://www.python.org/sigs/email-sig).
|
| Could be. Barry's the authority on that (cc'd).
|
| Skip
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:03:58 +1300
From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer at ihug.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Few quick questions!
To: <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID:
<1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29D6 at its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
[Sanjay]
> [...] after installing the addin it has to append a
> signature to every outgoing email. How can I do this?
[Richie]
> That's a strange requirement - what do you want the
> signature to say, if you don't mind me asking?
[Sanjay]
> Just like that, Like spambayes is protecting my inbox...How to do
> that?
[Richie]
> Yay, free advertising for us! 8-) Sadly I have no idea how
> you can do this.
The SpamBayes Outlook plug-in doesn't touch outgoing mail at all, so this
isn't a simple task at all. If you're familiar with MAPI/Outlook and Python
you could probably add this to the plug-in, but it'll probably be a fair bit
of work. (You *might* be able to 'watch' the Outbox and alter messages that
appear in there before they actually get sent, but I don't really know if
this would work, or if there would be a better way). Googling for
information about doing this with Outlook would probably come up with stuff,
and then you could integrate it into the plug-in refering to the existing
code.
All-in-all, though, it would be a hundred times (at least) simpler to just
use Outlook's existing tools to add a signature. Is there any reason you
can't do that?
=Tony Meyer
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:02:48 -0500
From: Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py reformatting email?
To: Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com>
Cc: spambayes at python.org
Message-ID: <1069207367.23962.19.camel at anthem>
Content-Type: text/plain
On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 17:20, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> >>>>> "Tony" == Tony Meyer <tameyer at ihug.co.nz> writes:
>
> Tony> [...]
> >> If/when you find bugs, you probably will want to post them to (at
> >> least) the mimelib SF project, and possibly the Python bugs page as
> >> well.
>
> Tony> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the mimelib SF project
> Tony> basically closed now? I think that bugs are meant to be
reported
> Tony> via the Python bugs page, and probably discussed on the
email-sig
> Tony> (http://www.python.org/sigs/email-sig).
>
> Could be. Barry's the authority on that (cc'd).
Tony's right on both counts, but ever since Tommy secretly embedded that
tiny image of me in The Hulk's navel, I've owed him one.
I'll reply to Tommy's private message, and he's free to forward it
along.
-Barry
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:09:39 -0600
From: Raymond Parker <rayparker at sasktel.net>
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook express
To: spambayes at python.org
Message-ID: <000801c3ae4a$9b5d45e0$43e16e40 at e7r8x3>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Am I correct in inferring that this system will not work on Outlook Express?
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:17:37 +1300
From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer at ihug.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] outlook express
To: "'Raymond Parker'" <rayparker at sasktel.net>, <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID:
<1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B14B at its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> Am I correct in inferring that this system will not work on
> Outlook Express?
No. See:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-
express>
=Tony Meyer
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:53:45 -0700
From: "Jim McAtee" <jmcatee at mediaodyssey.com>
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] outlook express
To: <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID: <057801c3ae50$bcc04600$1c03a8c0 at jim>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Somewhere in the documentation, probably for the POP3 proxy, it's stated
that
the forwarding (to the SMTP proxy) method of training the server doesn't
work
with Outlook Express because OE may not forward all headers. I was
wondering
if anyone has reviewed this lately for the most recent version(s) of Outlook
Express to see if it's still a valid statement. And what are the problems
caused in the training when these headers are lost? I'd like to use this
method to do the occasional training of Spambayes, unless it's unwise.
I get over 1000 messages a day (mostly from technical mailing lists) with
about 30% spam. Using the 'Review messages' web page with cached messages
is
getting more and more unworkable with this volume of mail.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer at ihug.co.nz>
To: "'Raymond Parker'" <rayparker at sasktel.net>; <spambayes at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] outlook express
> Am I correct in inferring that this system will not work on
> Outlook Express?
No. See:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-
express>
=Tony Meyer
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:56:33 -0700
From: kjirstin at earthlink.net
Subject: [Spambayes] Help!
To: spambayes at python.org
Message-ID: <KMEGLJHMGFPNACLPAINCIEPGCFAA.kjirstin at earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
I am totally right-brained, and I HATE THIS PROGRAM!!!
My darling husband installed it, then he went out of town!!!
All I need is a simple way of moving my mail that isnt spam, but that your
program thinks is spam, into my email, so I can respond to it. This should
be fairly simple. It is impossible! Ive tried adding the address to my
address book, which you have now changed the name to contacts. This is
not working, even when I type itcut and paste is totally impossible.
Many of these emails are from companies I do work for, and I must respond in
24 hours or lose the job!
Help!
k-
P.S. A yellow smiley face showed up once that allowed me to capture two of
my emails, but I cant seem to get it back.
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:52:05 +1300
From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer at ihug.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] outlook express
To: "'Jim McAtee'" <jmcatee at mediaodyssey.com>, <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID:
<1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29DA at its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> Somewhere in the documentation, probably for the POP3 proxy,
> it's stated that the forwarding (to the SMTP proxy) method of
> training the server doesn't work with Outlook Express because
> OE may not forward all headers. I was wondering if anyone
> has reviewed this lately for the most recent version(s) of
> Outlook Express to see if it's still a valid statement.
Yes, it is definitely still valid. Realistically, it probably always will
be - Microsoft doesn't really have any reason to improve OE; it's only there
to give people a free option - if you want something good (sic?), you need
Outlook. The only way around this that I can see is once again offer to
include the spambayes id in the message body (which is included in forwarded
messages, obviously). This is particularly inelegant, though, and at the
time it was removed (because it didn't really fit when code was refactored),
not all that many people used the SMTP proxy.
> And what are the problems caused in the training when these
> headers are lost?
The spambayes id is not included (it's one of the headers added by the
proxy), so spambayes can't find the message in the cache to do the
appropriate training. You could manually add write the id into the message
body, but that seems like it would be even less convenient.
The SMTP proxy can simply train on the raw message forwarded to it, rather
than looking up the message in the cache, but this will more than likely
result in poor training - for example, all messages will be 'from' you, and
all the useful data in the headers will be unavailable for training.
> I'd like to use this method to do the
> occasional training of Spambayes, unless it's unwise.
It is definitely unwise.
> I get over 1000 messages a day (mostly from technical mailing
> lists) with about 30% spam. Using the 'Review messages' web
> page with cached messages is getting more and more unworkable
> with this volume of mail.
Do you still need to train? I would have thought that you'd get pretty
acceptable results quite quickly with that volume of mail. On positive
notes:
* Versions of spambayes post-1.0 have additional options for reviewing
messages via the web interface. In particular, you can limit the number of
messages that appear on one screen (maybe this made it into 1.0a7?), and you
can change the default training for messages classified as ham/spam/unsure.
* I really will finish the sb_pop3dnd.py script soon. This lets you do
drag'n'drop training in any mailer that lets you drag'n'drop mail between
accounts, and works with both POP3 and IMAP (this includes OE). The main
reason it's taken so long to finish is that Twisted's (a communications
toolkit for Python) imap support has been pretty poor, and extremely
volatile - hopefully that has changed by now.
There are probably other ways you could train, too. For example, if you are
only training on a small percentage of mail (which is presumably the case),
then you could store copies of mail to be trained in a couple of folders
specifically for the task. Once in a while (every week, say), you could use
the web interface to train on the folder's dbx file, clear out the folder,
and train that way.
=Tony Meyer
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:59:40 +1300
From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer at ihug.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Help!
To: <kjirstin at earthlink.net>, <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID:
<1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29DB at its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> I am totally right-brained, and I HATE THIS PROGRAM!!!
> My darling husband installed it, then he went out of town!!!
I think your displeasure is aimed at the wrong thing here <wink>.
> All I need is a simple way of moving my mail that isn't spam,
> but that your program thinks is spam, into my email, so I
> can respond to it.
It sounds like you're using Outlook - (i.e. at the top of the mail program's
window, it will end with "Microsoft Outlook"); if that's not the case, then
much of this will be incorrect.
If the mail is classified as spam, it will be moved to a different folder.
Once it's there, though, you can treat it like any other mail, including
replying to it (just like you would any other mail). However, to teach the
program that it is in fact good mail, you should be able find the little
yellow face you mentioned (with "Recover from Spam" next to it) and click on
that, which will move the (hilited) message back to it's original folder.
This button should be up in the toolbars somewhere (exactly where depends on
your setup). If you can't see it, maybe it's hidden in a drop-down menu on
the toolbar? (it would have a little down arrow at the end of the toolbar).
> I've tried adding the address to my address book, which
> you have now changed the name to "contacts".
This is quite confusing! Adding the address book to what? SpamBayes
doesn't use the address book at all, so whatever it is, that won't help with
anything. We don't change the name, either, so that's as a result of
something else (the address book should still be there under the 'Tools'
menu).
One thing that does spring to mind as a possibility is that your husband
changed you from using "Outlook Express" to "Outlook" (OE lists addresses
under "Address Book", or something like that, whereas Outlook does have a
"Contacts" folder). In that case, then the real issue is getting used to a
new mail program - it should be mostly like the old one, though, and the
program help might be of use.
=Tony Meyer
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:43:11 -0000
From: "Mark Howells" <Mark.Howells at softoption.com>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Install problem Outlook 2002//
spambayes_addin.dll//otheraddin present
To: <milton at spine.med.utoronto.ca>, <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID:
<5846CF419D2EF5439036CC3126A3A995017B39 at SOSERVER1.softoption.local>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Milton Charlton [mailto:milton at spine.med.utoronto.ca]
> Sent: 18 November 2003 16:24
>
> When I try to install Spambayes to Outlook 2002 I get this error that
> concerns
> the file spambayes_addin.dll:
> Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer;failed;
> code 0x00000000.
I routinely get this (on XP) and each time I immediately re-install and the
install works.
YMMV
Mark Howells
--
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 7.0.195 / Virus Database: 261.2.0 - Release Date: 11/18/2003
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