From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu May  1 08:53:17 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Apr 30 17:54:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes disappeared!
In-Reply-To: <290D043E5BE9D311B3EA009027B69DC301C26FB0@PHSNTEXC06>
Message-ID: <017601c30f62$e90f46d0$530f8490@eden>

This generally means that the plugin failed to initialize, in which case
Outlook disables the addin.  You should be able to go to
Tools->Options->Other->Advanced->Plugins (or something like that <wink>),
locate the addin and re-enable it.

Please check the log files (as described in the readme).  Hopefully there
will be an error listed we can fix!


Mark.

> We are testing Spambayes on several machines in our IS
> department.  We have
> it loaded on W2K Prof. / Outlook 2000 which is running very
> well, whacking
> spam left and right (Love it!!!).  But on the WXP Prof. /
> Outlook XP machine
> Spambayes ran fine for two weeks then disappeared from
> Outlook this morning.
> It still shows up in Add/Remove programs, the directory is
> still there but
> won't load with Outlook XP.  We have deinstalled then
> reinstalled to no
> avail.  We are using version 002 of the plugin from Mark
> Hammond.  Any ideas
> on where to look for the problem?


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May  1 18:37:50 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May  1 01:38:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Error on proxy connection & smtp proxy doesn't seespam
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016ABAEC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > I tried to "train" sb by sending spam to spam@spam. This 
> > seemed to go OK,
> > but when I go to the web page the "Review Messages" shows no 
> > untrained messages.
> > How do these training messages show up?
> 
> They simply are used to train your database, then discarded.  
> The Review Messages page is used for messages that the pop3proxy
filters.

The more I think about it, the more I think that smtpproxy should have
two modes.

What it does now is look for a spambayes id in message.  It uses that id
to extract the correct message from the pop3proxy cache, and trains on
it.  The idea behind this is that this avoids training on any mangling
that the mailer might have done to the message to train.

(So in this case, the message should show up in "Review Messages", but
if it wasn't a message that pop3proxy had filtered, then it won't show
up, or, in fact, be trained).

I think smtpproxy should also be able to simply train on whatever it is
sent.  Those that don't use pop3proxy, or those that are confident that
their mailer will send an exact copy onwards, could use it in this
fashion.  (It could possibly add the message to the pop3proxy cache for
web ui review if it wasn't there).

Thoughts?

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May  1 20:18:59 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May  1 03:19:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] URLSlurper (Was: Latest spammer trick stymied -
	QUESTION)
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016ABB00@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

Time to pull out the testing data again...

[From a post quite some time ago...]
> Perhaps, as a test, someone could convert the code to Python and it
> could be committed (as an option that defaults to False).  If test 
> results really support it (and no-one can come up with a pure 
> tokenisation alternative), it could be left there (still defaulting to

> False, unless all the concerns are addressed).

In the interests of testing, I've done this.  The code isn't based at
all on the stuff that Richard sent (it was easier to just do it from
scratch), but does follow the same rules (more-or-less).

I've checked in the code in testtools/urlslurper.py.  If you run this
you'll get a timtest output, but using the slurping classifier.  (This
way classifier, tokenizer, options et. al. don't get altered).

Rather than do a really big post, if you're interested in testing this,
you can read the docstring on the module :)

Results for the two main tests that I've done are below.  I exported
whatever I had sitting in my Outlook db, and it did considerably better
on that, but I don't really trust that as an evaluation - for one, it's
a very unbalanced corpus.  I also tested against the SpamAssassin
corpus, and it tied (mean ham prob went down, but mean spam prob also
went down).

If others are willing to a bit of testing, then at least the
effectiveness question can be answered.  If it does poorly for everyone,
then I'll remove it.  If it does well, we can squabble about whether it
should be integrated as a default-to-off option or ignored.

(Note that it can take a while to run, especially if there are lots of
urls that will timeout (60s a pop!), and not a good idea to run if you
pay per kb downloaded, or something like that).

There is a little voice in my head that's telling me that it doesn't do
as well as it should because the implementation is flawed...so if anyone
is interested, they can go over the code and point out the bad bits...

=Tony Meyer

Results - these are with the default options; SpamAssassin corpus first,
and then the messages that I've got stored in Outlook at the moment.
Basically timtest, rates, then cmp.  I've edited out a few lines for
clarity, but the important numbers are still there.

sas.txt -> slurpss.txt
-> <stat> tested 400 hams & 379 spams against 400 hams & 379 spams
[that line 39 more times...]

false positive percentages
    0.750  0.750  tied          
[19 other lines cut, all of them tied]

won   0 times
tied 20 times
lost  0 times

total unique fp went from 29 to 29 tied          
mean fp % went from 0.8375 to 0.8375 tied          

false negative percentages
    0.792  0.792  tied          
[19 other lines cut, all tied]

won   0 times
tied 20 times
lost  0 times

total unique fn went from 16 to 16 tied          
mean fn % went from 0.382585751979 to 0.382585751979 tied          

ham mean                     ham sdev
   4.07    4.06   -0.25%       15.56   15.37   -1.22%
   5.00    5.02   +0.40%       16.35   16.21   -0.86%
   2.64    2.65   +0.38%       11.74   11.67   -0.60%
   1.64    1.60   -2.44%        9.52    9.20   -3.36%
   1.43    1.42   -0.70%        9.27    9.16   -1.19%

ham mean and sdev for all runs
   2.96    2.95   -0.34%       12.91   12.75   -1.24%

spam mean                    spam sdev
  98.51   98.53   +0.02%        8.04    7.90   -1.74%
  99.18   99.09   -0.09%        5.46    5.87   +7.51%
  98.16   98.04   -0.12%        8.26    8.47   +2.54%
  97.05   96.82   -0.24%       11.14   11.57   +3.86%
  96.40   96.25   -0.16%       12.88   12.99   +0.85%

spam mean and sdev for all runs
  97.86   97.74   -0.12%        9.57    9.76   +1.99%

ham/spam mean difference: 94.90 94.79 -0.11
[total unsure went from 340 to 338]

mines.txt -> mine_with_slurps.txt
-> <stat> tested 235 hams & 95 spams against 235 hams & 95 spams
[that line 39 more times...]

false positive percentages
    0.000  0.000  tied          
[and again, 19 times, all 0.0 vs 0.0, tied]

won   0 times
tied 20 times
lost  0 times

total unique fp went from 0 to 0 tied          
mean fp % went from 0.0 to 0.0 tied          

false negative percentages
    1.053  0.000  won   -100.00%
    7.368  5.263  won    -28.57%
    8.421  6.316  won    -25.00%
    8.421  5.263  won    -37.50%
    12.632  5.263  won    -58.34%
    10.526  9.474  won     -9.99%
    17.895  12.632  won    -29.41%
    21.053  15.789  won    -25.00%
    7.368  5.263  won    -28.57%
    3.158  1.053  won    -66.66%
    14.737  11.579  won    -21.43%
    21.053  13.684  won    -35.00%
    4.211  2.105  won    -50.01%
    3.158  0.000  won   -100.00%
    8.421  4.211  won    -49.99%
    9.474  4.211  won    -55.55%
    6.316  1.053  won    -83.33%
    3.158  2.105  won    -33.34%
    8.421  3.158  won    -62.50%
    5.263  3.158  won    -40.00%

won  20 times
tied  0 times
lost  0 times

total unique fn went from 77 to 46 won    -40.26%
mean fn % went from 9.10526315789 to 5.57894736842 won    -38.73%

ham mean                     ham sdev
   0.83    1.53  +84.34%        5.79    7.67  +32.47%
   0.32    0.70 +118.75%        3.09    4.79  +55.02%
   0.43    0.90 +109.30%        3.35    5.73  +71.04%
   0.79    1.54  +94.94%        5.32    7.97  +49.81%
   0.82    1.92 +134.15%        5.01    8.76  +74.85%

ham mean and sdev for all runs
   0.64    1.32 +106.25%        4.65    7.15  +53.76%

spam mean                    spam sdev
  87.39   91.56   +4.77%       26.40   21.79  -17.46%
  74.82   82.41  +10.14%       36.76   31.93  -13.14%
  82.54   87.77   +6.34%       32.64   27.76  -14.95%
  86.48   91.83   +6.19%       27.26   20.69  -24.10%
  86.52   91.98   +6.31%       26.63   20.56  -22.79%

spam mean and sdev for all runs
  83.55   89.11   +6.65%       30.58   25.23  -17.50%

ham/spam mean difference: 82.91 87.79 +4.88

From richard at jowsey.com  Thu May  1 22:56:53 2003
From: richard at jowsey.com (Richard Jowsey)
Date: Thu May  1 07:57:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] URLSlurper
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016ABB00@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <3EB19825.12914.15CAAADA@localhost>

> Perhaps, as a test, someone could convert the code to Python

Good on ya mate! Well done.

> Time to pull out the testing data again...

You should be testing on a bunch of microspams. I'll send you some if 
you want!

Death2Spam.net went GA today. MayDay for spammers! We've recorded 
~99.5% classification accuracy on the test sample (46k emails) from 
our US, Oz and NZ beta testers. Very happy!

I'll probably be in AK next week for talks with Xtra, Clear, etc. 
Catch up for a beer if you've time.

Cheers,
Richard

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May  1 10:19:13 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Thu May  1 12:19:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-717998 ] Can't reset Spam folder if
	folder is lost
Message-ID: <E19BGm9-0004An-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #717998, was opened at 2003-04-09 00:37
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by astrogen
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=717998&group_id=61702

Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Can't reset Spam folder if folder is lost

Initial Comment:
If the Spam Manager is set up to move spam to a folder
and that folder disappears, the Spam Manager may show
that spam is to be delivered to <unkown folder>. In
this event trying to browse the folder list will not
list any folders, and you will be unable to set the
Spam folder to anything else.



----------------------------------------------------------------------

>Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-05-01 11:19

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Is it possible to add a button that puts you back to the
root folder if the number of folders available is less than
2 or something?

Currently (and this has happened a couple times since my
original posting) my only fix is to delete the configuration
file (default_configuration.pck).

-Astrogen

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-04-14 16:32

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Just figured there would be a log file somewhere.. but
anywho... I manually ran manager.py Heres the traceback
(copied and pasted from a dos prompt window)

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File
"C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py",
line 309, in
OnInitDialog
    self.expand_ids = self._DetermineFoldersToExpand()
  File
"C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py",
line 226, in
_DetermineFoldersToExpand
    folder = self.manager.message_store.GetFolder(folder_id)
  File "C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line
225, in GetFolder
    table = folder.GetContentsTable(0)
pywintypes.com_error: (-2147467259, 'Unspecified error',
None, None)
win32ui: OnInitDialog() virtual handler (<bound method
FolderSelector.OnInitDial
og of <dialogs.FolderSelector.FolderSelector instance at
0x02134A78>>) raised an
 exception
Bayes database is not dirty - not writing

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-04-14 16:26

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Where is the log file kept? I looked for it before
submitting, and since your posted. I don't have the name or
location for where I could find it.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-04-10 01:06

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

If there a traceback associated with this?  I regularly
"test" this, thanks to Outlook screwing all my folder IDs as
I reconfigure Outlook, and I don't have the problem.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=717998&group_id=61702

From neale at woozle.org  Thu May  1 10:22:24 2003
From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett)
Date: Thu May  1 12:22:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training corrupts mbox files
In-Reply-To: <E9KH95A8WVUR553QNPOUTU84HEHC74.3eb092ba@myst> (Tim Stone -
	Four Stones Expressions's message of "Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:21:30 -0500")
References: <E9KH95A8WVUR553QNPOUTU84HEHC74.3eb092ba@myst>
Message-ID: <w53vfwu63i7.fsf@woozle.org>

Tim Stone - Four Stones Expressions <tim@fourstonesExpressions.com> writes:

> 4/30/2003 5:29:22 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>That's all well and good, but I was thinking perhaps mboxtrain should
>>maintain a little database parallel to its mbox file whose entries are keyed
>>by message-id.  It could store its results there and never have to monkey
>>with the mbox file.  "-f"orce training would simply be a matter of deleting
>>all keys in that database at the start of the run.
>
> Yeah, we're already walking down that path with the messageinfodb that's 
> maintained in message.py.  This will certainly need some more work for mbox 
> purposes, but it would be perfect if mboxes never needed to be rewritten.  
> That's the goal, afaic.

Ditto to what Tim wrote.  If mboxtrain keeps somewhere a list of
messages it's seen, theres no longer any need to modify the mbox.

Neale

From tdickenson at devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk  Thu May  1 18:39:50 2003
From: tdickenson at devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk (Toby Dickenson)
Date: Thu May  1 12:39:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training corrupts mbox files
In-Reply-To: <w53vfwu63i7.fsf@woozle.org>
References: <E9KH95A8WVUR553QNPOUTU84HEHC74.3eb092ba@myst>
	<w53vfwu63i7.fsf@woozle.org>
Message-ID: <200305011739.50200.tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk>

On Thursday 01 May 2003 5:22 pm, Neale Pickett wrote:
> Tim Stone - Four Stones Expressions <tim@fourstonesExpressions.com> writes:
> > 4/30/2003 5:29:22 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> wrote:
> >>That's all well and good, but I was thinking perhaps mboxtrain should
> >>maintain a little database parallel to its mbox file whose entries are
> >> keyed by message-id.  It could store its results there and never have to
> >> monkey with the mbox file.  "-f"orce training would simply be a matter
> >> of deleting all keys in that database at the start of the run.
> >
> > Yeah, we're already walking down that path with the messageinfodb that's
> > maintained in message.py.  This will certainly need some more work for
> > mbox purposes, but it would be perfect if mboxes never needed to be
> > rewritten. That's the goal, afaic.
>
> Ditto to what Tim wrote.  If mboxtrain keeps somewhere a list of
> messages it's seen, theres no longer any need to modify the mbox.

fwiw, I stopped using mboxtrain and its incremental mode in favor of hammie, 
and always doing a full train on whole mailboxes. Its not significantly 
slower.

From bill at parducci.net  Thu May  1 10:43:34 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Thu May  1 12:44:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training corrupts mbox files
References: <E9KH95A8WVUR553QNPOUTU84HEHC74.3eb092ba@myst>
	<w53vfwu63i7.fsf@woozle.org>
Message-ID: <3EB14EB6.5070707@parducci.net>

> If mboxtrain keeps somewhere a list of
> messages it's seen, theres no longer any need to modify the mbox.

by freeing the training materials from the source documents, wouldn't 
this also create the opportunity for implementing an automated 
'freshness' mechanism whereby 'pruning' of said materials (based on age, 
etc.) would be possible?

b


From skip at pobox.com  Thu May  1 13:21:05 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu May  1 13:21:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training corrupts mbox files
In-Reply-To: <200305011739.50200.tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk>
References: <E9KH95A8WVUR553QNPOUTU84HEHC74.3eb092ba@myst>
	<w53vfwu63i7.fsf@woozle.org>
	<200305011739.50200.tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk>
Message-ID: <16049.22401.738502.780867@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Toby> fwiw, I stopped using mboxtrain and its incremental mode in favor
    Toby> of hammie, and always doing a full train on whole mailboxes. Its
    Toby> not significantly slower.

How big are your mailboxes?  I have about 12,000 hams and 7,000 spams in my
training sets, so I generally avoid full retrains. 

I'm considering a somewhat different procmail-based setup for some other
people, however, in which they would have three email addresses,
foo@somewhere, foo+spam@somewhere and foo+ham@somewhere.  The last two would
(obviously) be for training.  My thought was to simply have the training
aliases append to mbox files and run mboxtrain from cron periodically.  I'd
logrotate the training files to keep the number of files and their sizes to
a minimum.

Someone else must already be doing something like this.  Care to share?

Skip

From neale at woozle.org  Thu May  1 12:09:26 2003
From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett)
Date: Thu May  1 14:09:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training corrupts mbox files
In-Reply-To: <16049.22401.738502.780867@montanaro.dyndns.org> (Skip
	Montanaro's message of "Thu, 1 May 2003 12:21:05 -0500")
References: <E9KH95A8WVUR553QNPOUTU84HEHC74.3eb092ba@myst>
	<w53vfwu63i7.fsf@woozle.org>
	<200305011739.50200.tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk>
	<16049.22401.738502.780867@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <w53n0i65yjt.fsf@woozle.org>

Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> writes:

> Someone else must already be doing something like this.  Care to share?

I'm doing something similar to Toby.  I have a few guinea pig users
doing this currently, and eventually everyone will be doing this.

Each IMAP user gets three new IMAP folders: spam, spamfairy.spam, and
spamfairy.ham.  All incoming mail gets procmail filtered through
hammiefilter and filed into inbox or spam.  When the user sees something
that's misfiled, they have to move it to the appropriate spamfairy
folder.  Every night the Spam Fairy checks under their pillow for new
email and trains on it (this is done with hammiefilter).  She then moves
these messages into either the inbox or the spam folder, depending on
which spamfairy folder she's currently visiting.

This seems to work pretty well for my two trial users.  If it turns out
that it's viable, I'd be happy to provide the spamfairy script.  (It
doesn't run system-wide yet.)

Neale

From tdickenson at geminidataloggers.com  Thu May  1 19:58:48 2003
From: tdickenson at geminidataloggers.com (Toby Dickenson)
Date: Thu May  1 15:36:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training corrupts mbox files
In-Reply-To: <16049.22401.738502.780867@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <E9KH95A8WVUR553QNPOUTU84HEHC74.3eb092ba@myst>
	<200305011739.50200.tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk>
	<16049.22401.738502.780867@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <200305011858.48408.tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com>

On Thursday 01 May 2003 6:21 pm, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>     Toby> fwiw, I stopped using mboxtrain and its incremental mode in favor
>     Toby> of hammie, and always doing a full train on whole mailboxes. Its
>     Toby> not significantly slower.
>
> How big are your mailboxes?  I have about 12,000 hams and 7,000 spams in my
> training sets, so I generally avoid full retrains.
>
> I'm considering a somewhat different procmail-based setup for some other
> people, however, in which they would have three email addresses,
> foo@somewhere, foo+spam@somewhere and foo+ham@somewhere.  The last two
> would (obviously) be for training.  My thought was to simply have the
> training aliases append to mbox files and run mboxtrain from cron
> periodically.  I'd logrotate the training files to keep the number of files
> and their sizes to a minimum.
>
> Someone else must already be doing something like this.  Care to share?

I am using kmail with approximately 40 folders (mailboxes). I am training 
directy from the kmail folders. That means I dont need duplicate copies of 
emails in a seperate training database, I can use the normal kmail gui for 
adjusting the training sets, and ensures that training doesnt use ancient 
emails.

I use kmail to delete personal emails after 6 months, mailing lists after a 
few weeks, and spams after a year. That  keeps the total content stable at 
about 6000 hams and 800 spams.

I train overnight from cron, and it takes about 5 minutes. From memory, 
incremental mboxtrain was taking about 4 minutes with a lower cpu usage.

I have a script that generates a long hammie.py command line by parsing the 
kmail configuration file. It assumes that:
- the folder called "spam" and all its subfolders are spam training material
- "trash" and "drafts" should be ignored
- every other folder contains ham training material.

I use procmail to run the hammie filter to add the headers during mail 
delivery. kmail filters are used to sort incoming mail: spam into a seperate 
folder. (for a while my wife was using the same setup, but running the hammie 
filter from kmail. No procmail needed)

I use two folders for spam.....  spam/archive and spam/new. kmail filters the 
spam into spam/new and marks it read. Every week I review spam/new for false 
positives (Im still waiting for my first!), then empty it into spam/archive.


Any interest in better documentation of this setup?

-- 
Toby Dickenson
http://www.geminidataloggers.com/people/tdickenson

From neale at woozle.org  Thu May  1 14:40:21 2003
From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett)
Date: Thu May  1 16:40:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training corrupts mbox files
In-Reply-To: <3EB14EB6.5070707@parducci.net> (bill parducci's message of
	"Thu, 01 May 2003 09:43:34 -0700")
References: <E9KH95A8WVUR553QNPOUTU84HEHC74.3eb092ba@myst>
	<w53vfwu63i7.fsf@woozle.org> <3EB14EB6.5070707@parducci.net>
Message-ID: <w53issu5rka.fsf@woozle.org>

bill parducci <bill@parducci.net> writes:

> by freeing the training materials from the source documents, wouldn't
> this also create the opportunity for implementing an automated
> 'freshness' mechanism whereby 'pruning' of said materials (based on
> age, etc.) would be possible?

Quite likely, yes, that would be possible.

From dave at boost-consulting.com  Thu May  1 20:50:02 2003
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Thu May  1 19:50:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: big imapfilter.py problem
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016AB805@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	(Tony Meyer's message of "Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:44:22 +1200")
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016AB805@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <uvfwurzv9.fsf@boost-consulting.com>

"Meyer, Tony" <T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz> writes:

>> The problem appears to be that imapfilter.py added an
>> X-Spambayes-Classification: header to the message, but failed 
>> to add a newline afterwards, which is required to separate it 
>> from the message body.
>
> That's definitely what it was - except that message.py (which does the
> adding for imapfilter.py) doesn't add it as a string, it adds an entry
> to the headers dict in the email.Message.Message object.  It looks like
> the email package didn't add the separating newline when it flattened
> the message.
>
>> ...err, but I forgot to set PYTHONPATH to use email-2.5.  
>> Training works when I do that.
>
> What version of the email package does it use if you don't see the
> PYTHONPATH?  If this sort of thing is going to happen, it might be worth
> noting somewhere.  (Currently, the docs say that you need "the latest"
> version of the email package, or whatever comes with Python 2.2.2
> (email.__version__ == '2.4.3') or later.

Well, I don't think the latter is valid, since I have Python 2.2.2
installed.

    %python
    Python 2.2.2 (#1, Feb  4 2003, 18:45:04)
    [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] on freebsd4
    Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
    >>> import email
    >>> email.__version__
    '2.4.3'
    >>>


-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com


From dave at boost-consulting.com  Thu May  1 20:57:48 2003
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Thu May  1 19:58:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Success! : Spambayes + IMAP + crontab + CommunigatePro
	+ procmail
Message-ID: <uptn2rzib.fsf@boost-consulting.com>


After much thrashing, I have successfully set up a server-side
filtering system with spambayes.

Each hour, spambayes is retrained using any mail I've explicitly
filed as Ham or Spam using imapfilter.py.

Communigate Pro sends all messages without an
X-Spambayes-Classification through procmail and then discards them.

procmail invokes hammiefilter.py on incoming messages to classify
them, and then forwards them back to my account

Communigate Pro files already-classified messages according to their
classification.

Works beautifully, but took days to figure out.

If there is any interest in a RestructuredText (or HTML) document
describing the whole deal from the POV of a neophyte in
email/IMAP/procmail/CGPro/Spambayes, and it would get displayed
somewhere useful to others, I'd be glad to contribute one to the
Spambayes project.

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com


From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com  Thu May  1 20:05:15 2003
From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone - Four Stones Expressions)
Date: Thu May  1 20:05:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Success! : Spambayes + IMAP + crontab +
	CommunigatePro + procmail
In-Reply-To: <uptn2rzib.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
Message-ID: <DVSFEMKPL7372HC2WONMJUONKZUED8.3eb1b63b@myst>

5/1/2003 6:57:48 PM, David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> wrote:

>
>After much thrashing, I have successfully set up a server-side
>filtering system with spambayes.

Congratulations!  You're one persistent dude. <wink>

>If there is any interest in a RestructuredText (or HTML) document
>describing the whole deal from the POV of a neophyte in
>email/IMAP/procmail/CGPro/Spambayes, and it would get displayed
>somewhere useful to others, I'd be glad to contribute one to the
>Spambayes project.

If you create a document in html, I'll be sure it shows up (credited) on the 
website...

c'est moi - TimS
http://www.fourstonesExpressions.com
http://wecanstopspam.org

There are 10 kinds of people in the world:
  those who understand binary,
  and those who don't.



From dave at boost-consulting.com  Thu May  1 20:59:05 2003
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Thu May  1 20:09:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Success! : Spambayes + IMAP + crontab +
 CommunigatePro + procmail
In-Reply-To: <uptn2rzib.fsf@boost-consulting.com> (David Abrahams's message
	of "Thu, 01 May 2003 19:57:48 -0400")
References: <uptn2rzib.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
Message-ID: <uk7darzg6.fsf@boost-consulting.com>

David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> writes:

> Works beautifully, but took days to figure out.
>
> If there is any interest in a RestructuredText (or HTML) document
> describing the whole deal from the POV of a neophyte in
> email/IMAP/procmail/CGPro/Spambayes, and it would get displayed
> somewhere useful to others, I'd be glad to contribute one to the
> Spambayes project.

By the way, thanks to all on this newsgroup who helped me out,
especially Tony Meyer.

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May  2 13:13:01 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May  1 20:14:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Success! : Spambayes + IMAP + crontab +
	CommunigatePro + procmail
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016ABCAD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > If there is any interest in a RestructuredText (or HTML) document 
> > describing the whole deal from the POV of a neophyte in 
> > email/IMAP/procmail/CGPro/Spambayes, and it would get displayed 
> > somewhere useful to others, I'd be glad to contribute one to the 
> > Spambayes project.

BTW, I'd definitely echo Tim's comment that this would be a good thing.

> By the way, thanks to all on this newsgroup who helped me 
> out, especially Tony Meyer.

Ah, that's what we're here for :)  Glad that it's going.  The testing
that you & Olly (in particular) did really helped get imapfilter going.

=Tony Meyer

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Fri May  2 03:27:38 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May  2 05:27:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-725449 ] Binary plugin fails on Win9x
Message-ID: <E19BWpO-00012V-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #725449, was opened at 2003-04-22 04:41
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by helge
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=725449&group_id=61702

Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: dan maer (dmara)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Binary plugin fails on Win9x

Initial Comment:
Running pure Windows (98SE) and Outlook 2000.
No Python installed.
I can't get the plugin to initialize.
I go to Tools/options/other/advanced 
options/Com Addins
and check the SpamBayes plug-in box, but it won't 
stayed checked,
and I've uninstalled/reinstalled Outlook and the 
plugin but no go.
I've got this working great, really great, on Winnt 
4.0 and Xp.
Logfile being attached for upload...

Dan

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Helge Stenström (helge)
Date: 2003-05-02 09:27

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=19115

Installation fails on Windows 2000. I have:
*
http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/downloads/SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-002.exe
(2968028 bytes)
* ActivePython-2.2.2-224-win32-ix86.msi

The log file talks about files on E:\, which isn't mounted. 
An earlier log file (which seems to be overwritten, I can't
find it) claimed to have written stuff to c:/Documents and
Settings/erahege/Application Data/SpamBayes/<omething>.pck,
but that file is nonexistent.

I have NOT installed
http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/downloads/win32all-152.exe,
beacuse the instructions on
http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes/ doesn't
say so.

My log file is very similar to the one already uploaded. I
will upload my log file if I find out how to do it.



----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: J (usertgo)
Date: 2003-04-26 05:03

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=763953

ok, since i liked it so much on win2000 i did the python 
install & manual install of the spambayes outlook addin & 
its working good now, so i guess it was the installer.
thanks


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: J (usertgo)
Date: 2003-04-24 05:10

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=763953

I also get the same errors as in the logfile on a Win98SE 
installation w/Outlook 2000 SP1, but it works on Win2000 
w/same Outlook.  If you have any workarounds (w/regedit?) 
please let us know...


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: dan maer (dmara)
Date: 2003-04-23 03:06

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=759684

Ok Mark...
Anyway to bypass the installer issue and get it working 
by manual means?

Dan

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-04-22 23:19

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

This is an issue with the "Installer" tool I use.  I will
try and sus it out before the next binary release.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=725449&group_id=61702

From patrick at keogh.net.au  Fri May  2 23:57:30 2003
From: patrick at keogh.net.au (Patrick Keogh)
Date: Fri May  2 08:57:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Could the Outlook plugin mark messages as "Read" when
	they are moved to spam folder?
In-Reply-To: <E198izc-0007ck-03@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <005301c310aa$64f6da90$0a7114cb@keogh.net.au>

I've searched past messages and the doco, but can find no reference to
the following issue, which I think a little strange, so maybe it has
been discussed, if so my apologies ...

I would like to have the option of setting it so that the Outlook plugin
changes the status of a message to "Read" when it is moved to the Spam
folder. At the moment, all the messages are created in Spam as unread.
Even if I check out a Probable, (which marks it as read), and then click
the Delete as Spam button, it becomes unread again (in the Spam folder).

Now I appreciate that not everyone would be unhappy with this behavior,
but I am, so I'd really appreciate a way to set it so that when it is
moved to Spam, it is marked as Read.


From shaun at ekit-inc.com  Fri May  2 17:53:21 2003
From: shaun at ekit-inc.com (Shaun Broadbent)
Date: Fri May  2 09:43:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin
Message-ID: <008901c31077$884239a0$3429a8c0@craps>

I am running 
XP Version	5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Build 2600
Outlook 2002(10.4712.4219)SP-2
On a Dell Latitude C610 Laptop.

Every mail item seems to attract the following error and is subsequently
un-filtered.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
Message 'Here's the Deal.....What Are You Waiting For?' had a Spam
classification of 'Failed'

The only other error I have received a couple of times is this.

E:\src\python-cvs\lib\fcntl.py:7: DeprecationWarning: the FCNTL module is
deprecated; please use fcntl

Helf?

Thanks

- Shaun



Logs --------

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\shaun\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\shaun\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 23 spam and 1045 good messages
Loaded databases in 303.069ms
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Deleted Items
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 28.5324ms
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 2077.83ms
Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Italian project is go' (read)
id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E646C6C000000000
00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E747320616E64205
3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C4170706C696361746
96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6F6F6B6D61696C2
E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F495C1D2AB458093
40DA551C6A7144F23800>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
Message 'Italian project is go' had a Spam classification of 'Failed'
Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Here's the Deal.....What Are
You Waiting For?' (read)
id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E646C6C000000000
00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E747320616E64205
3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C4170706C696361746
96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6F6F6B6D61696C2
E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F495C1D2AB458093
40DA551C6A7164F23800>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
Message 'Here's the Deal.....What Are You Waiting For?' had a Spam
classification of 'Failed'
Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, '04/30-04:23 NOCOL time drift
CRITICAL' (read)
id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E646C6C000000000
00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E747320616E64205
3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C4170706C696361746
96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6F6F6B6D61696C2
E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F495C1D2AB458093
40DA551C6A7184F23800>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
Message '04/30-04:23 NOCOL time drift CRITICAL' had a Spam classification of
'Failed'
Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, '04/30-04:35 NOCOL services
UNREACHABLE' (read)
id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E646C6C000000000
00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E747320616E64205
3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C4170706C696361746
96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6F6F6B6D61696C2
E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F495C1D2AB458093
40DA551C6A71A4F23800>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
Message '04/30-04:35 NOCOL services UNREACHABLE' had a Spam classification
of 'Failed'
Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Re: Italian project is go '
(read)
id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E646C6C000000000
00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E747320616E64205
3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C4170706C696361746
96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6F6F6B6D61696C2
E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F495C1D2AB458093
40DA551C6A71C4F23800>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
Message 'Re: Italian project is go ' had a Spam classification of 'Failed'
Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Event Alerts' (read)
id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E646C6C000000000
00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E747320616E64205
3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C4170706C696361746
96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6F6F6B6D61696C2
E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F495C1D2AB458093
40DA551C6A71E4F23800>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
Message 'Event Alerts' had a Spam classification of 'Failed'
Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, '04/30-05:15 NOCOL services
reachable' (read)
id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E646C6C000000000
00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E747320616E64205
3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C4170706C696361746
96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6F6F6B6D61696C2
E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F495C1D2AB458093
40DA551C6A7104F33800>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
Message '04/30-05:15 NOCOL services reachable' had a Spam classification of
'Failed'
Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Your Daily Dilbert 04/30/2003'
(read)
id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E646C6C000000000
00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E747320616E64205
3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C4170706C696361746
96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6F6F6B6D61696C2
E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F495C1D2AB458093
40DA551C6A7124F33800>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
Message 'Your Daily Dilbert 04/30/2003' had a Spam classification of
'Failed'
Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Sites down for 2 - 3 hours'
(read)
id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E646C6C000000000
00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E747320616E64205
3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C4170706C696361746
96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6F6F6B6D61696C2
E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F495C1D2AB458093
40DA551C6A7144F33800>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
Message 'Sites down for 2 - 3 hours' had a Spam classification of 'Failed'
Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'RE: Italian project is go '
(read)
id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E646C6C000000000
00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E747320616E64205
3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C4170706C696361746
96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6F6F6B6D61696C2
E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F495C1D2AB458093
40DA551C6A7184F33800>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
Message 'RE: Italian project is go ' had a Spam classification of 'Failed'
Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'RE: Italian project is go '
(read)
id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E646C6C000000000
00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E747320616E64205
3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C4170706C696361746
96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6F6F6B6D61696C2
E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F495C1D2AB458093
40DA551C6A71A4F33800>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
Message 'RE: Italian project is go ' had a Spam classification of 'Failed'
Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Re: Italian project is go '
(read)
id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E646C6C000000000
00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E747320616E64205
3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C4170706C696361746
96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6F6F6B6D61696C2
E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F495C1D2AB458093
40DA551C6A71E4F33800>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
Message 'Re: Italian project is go ' had a Spam classification of 'Failed'
Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Re: Italian project is go'
(read)
id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E646C6C000000000
00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E747320616E64205
3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C4170706C696361746
96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6F6F6B6D61696C2
E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F495C1D2AB458093
40DA551C6A7104F43800>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
Message 'Re: Italian project is go' had a Spam classification of 'Failed'
Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'Sites down for 2 - 3 hours'
(read)
id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E646C6C000000000
00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E747320616E64205
3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C4170706C696361746
96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6F6F6B6D61696C2
E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F495C1D2AB458093
40DA551C6A7124F43800>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
Message 'Sites down for 2 - 3 hours' had a Spam classification of 'Failed'
Failed filtering message! <MAPIMsgStoreMsg, 'RE: Italian project is go'
(read)
id=0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C200007073747072782E646C6C000000000
00000004E495441F9BFB80100AA0037D96E000000433A5C446F63756D656E747320616E64205
3657474696E67735C736861756E5C4C6F63616C2053657474696E67735C4170706C696361746
96F6E20446174615C4D6963726F736F66745C4F75746C6F6F6B5C4F75746C6F6F6B6D61696C2
E656B6F72702E636F6D2D30303030303030322E70737400/000000004C56F495C1D2AB458093
40DA551C6A7144F43800>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 36, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 711, in Save
com_error: (-2146644781, 'OLE error 0x800cccd3', None, None)
Message 'RE: Italian project is go' had a Spam classification of 'Failed'



From CMAWSON at woodsaitken.com  Fri May  2 11:18:53 2003
From: CMAWSON at woodsaitken.com (Chad Mawson)
Date: Fri May  2 11:18:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000 and spambayes dying
Message-ID: <2E2181EB1EC4FF4D870765E8C40C264202B016@wa3.woodsaitken.com>

First off, Spambayes is an excellent piece of work, and has begun to show people here in the law firm I work for that open source = good, on top of the fact that they can get rid of spam.

I hate for my first message to the list to be a problem...  But...

I'm using Outlook 2000 on Windows XP, and spambayes is a CVS copy I downloaded (approximately 2 weeks ago).  I have installed Python 2.2.  Spambayes has been working fine, but on two occasions appeared to just stop loading all together.  The first time I hadn't done enough research to know where to look, but this time I have the trace.  Both times this occurred was after rebooting my system from an unstable state, i.e. I basically killed my machine and cycled power.

After this happened I basically just deleted the C:\Documents and Settings\cmawson\Application Data\SpamBayes\*.* reran the addin.py and manager.py retrained and things started working again.


C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\win32\lib>win32traceutil.py
Collecting Python Trace Output...
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Failed to load bayes database
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "U:\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 310, in LoadBayes
    bayes = self.db_manager.open_bayes()
  File "U:\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 103, in open_bayes
    return bayes_storage.PickledClassifier(self.bayes_filename)
  File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 80, in __init_
_
    self.load()
  File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 98, in load
    tempbayes = pickle.load(fp)
EOFError
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\cmawson\Application Data
\SpamBayes\default_message_database.pck'
Either bayes database or message database is missing - creating new
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Python22\lib\site-packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispa
tch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, args, None, None)
  File "C:\Python22\lib\site-packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _
InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwargs, serviceProvider)
  File "C:\Python22\lib\site-packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _
invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kw
Args, serviceProvider)
  File "C:\Python22\lib\site-packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _
invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "U:\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 662, in OnConnection
    self.manager = manager.GetManager(application)
  File "U:\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
    _mgr = BayesManager(outlook=outlook, verbose=verbose)
  File "U:\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 165, in __init__
    self.LoadBayes()
  File "U:\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 329, in LoadBayes
    self.InitNewBayes()
  File "U:\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 378, in InitNewBayes
    self.bayes = self.db_manager.new_bayes()
  File "U:\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 91, in new_bayes
    os.unlink(self.bayes_filename)
exceptions.OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'C:\\Documents and Settings\\c
mawson\\Application Data\\SpamBayes\\default_bayes_database.pck'
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Failed to load bayes database
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "U:\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 310, in LoadBayes
    bayes = self.db_manager.open_bayes()
  File "U:\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 103, in open_bayes
    return bayes_storage.PickledClassifier(self.bayes_filename)
  File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 80, in __init_
_
    self.load()
  File "C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 98, in load
    tempbayes = pickle.load(fp)
EOFError
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\cmawson\Application Data
\SpamBayes\default_message_database.pck'
Either bayes database or message database is missing - creating new
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Python22\lib\site-packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispa
tch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, args, None, None)
  File "C:\Python22\lib\site-packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _
InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwargs, serviceProvider)
  File "C:\Python22\lib\site-packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _
invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kw
Args, serviceProvider)
  File "C:\Python22\lib\site-packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _
invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "U:\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 662, in OnConnection
    self.manager = manager.GetManager(application)
  File "U:\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
    _mgr = BayesManager(outlook=outlook, verbose=verbose)
  File "U:\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 165, in __init__
    self.LoadBayes()
  File "U:\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 329, in LoadBayes
    self.InitNewBayes()
  File "U:\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 378, in InitNewBayes
    self.bayes = self.db_manager.new_bayes()
  File "U:\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 91, in new_bayes
    os.unlink(self.bayes_filename)
exceptions.OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'C:\\Documents and Settings\\c
mawson\\Application Data\\SpamBayes\\default_bayes_database.pck'
From noreply at sourceforge.net  Fri May  2 13:05:07 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May  2 15:05:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-731538 ] SpamBayes not filtering
	messages.
Message-ID: <E19BfqF-0002cZ-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #731538, was opened at 2003-05-02 12:05
Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter
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https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=731538&group_id=61702

Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Brian Takita (btakita)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: SpamBayes not filtering messages.

Initial Comment:
The Delete as Spam button does not work either.

It gives email spam a score if I request it.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Fri May  2 13:50:24 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May  2 15:50:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-731538 ] SpamBayes not filtering
	messages.
Message-ID: <E19BgY4-0002UD-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #731538, was opened at 2003-05-02 14:05
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by timstone4
You can respond by visiting: 
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Brian Takita (btakita)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: SpamBayes not filtering messages.

Initial Comment:
The Delete as Spam button does not work either.

It gives email spam a score if I request it.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

>Comment By: Tim Stone (timstone4)
Date: 2003-05-02 14:50

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=645698

Can you give us a bit more info here?  What platform are you running on, 
what version of python, what version of Outlook, what version of 
spambayes (alpha1, alpha2, current cvs)?

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat May  3 10:17:35 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri May  2 17:18:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Could the Outlook plugin mark messages as "Read"
	whenthey are moved to spam folder?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016ABE53@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I've searched past messages and the doco, but can find no 
> reference to the following issue, which I think a little 
> strange, so maybe it has been discussed, if so my apologies ...

It is a little strange, since it was discussed quite a bit, but that was
a while back now.  This is more-or-less the idea behind SF RFE [ 680629
] "Outlook plugin: Delete as spam marks as read".

Just to complicate things, there's another issue, this one a bug, where
the plugin changes the read status of a message from read to unread when
it processes it.  (in SF bugs [ 716684 ] "Filtering marks message as
unread").

The first one was submitted in February, so things aren't really moving
all that fast on it :)  I think this is mostly because it wasn't seen as
all that important, and wasn't asked for by many people.  I did start
looking at how to do it, but got tangled up in the COM stuff and found
something more interesting to work on ;)  I might see if I can give it
another go.

Out of interest, which behaviour would you rather have?
(a) Mark all messages classified as Spam as read.
(b) Mark all messages actioned with the "Delete as Spam" button as read.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat May  3 10:23:12 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri May  2 17:23:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000 and spambayes dying
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016ABE54@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Both times this 
> occurred was after rebooting my system from an unstable 
> state, i.e. I basically killed my machine and cycled power.
[...]
> After this happened I basically just deleted the C:\Documents 
> and Settings\cmawson\Application Data\SpamBayes\*.* reran the 
> addin.py and manager.py retrained and things started working again.

What happened both times (going by the trace) is that the configuration
file was corrupted.  I wouldn't have thought this should happen unless
it was actually being written to at the time, but I could be wrong.

There's a limit to what can be done in this sort of situation, but the
plugin can definitely handle this should of thing better.  There's a SF
bug about it - [ 709051 ] "Config file loading and saving is fragile".

So, unfortunately, all that you can really do at the moment is what you
have been doing, and wait for the fix for that bug to come along.  (Plus
stop killing your machine like that <wink>).

=Tony Meyer


From seandarcy at hotmail.com  Fri May  2 23:48:58 2003
From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy)
Date: Fri May  2 22:49:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Still can't do web config under linux
Message-ID: <Law8-F12fSLyXXNzsQd0001d8e7@hotmail.com>

I tried out today's cvs of spambayes. Before, I could get to the web config 
page, but it died when I tried to save. Now I can get to the config page. 
When I clcik on the config link, I get:

500 Server error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 398, in 
found_terminator
    getattr(plugin, name)(**params)

  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/UserInterface.py", line 
409, in onConfig
    if type(options.valid_input(sect, opt)) in types.StringTypes:

  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/Options.py", line 1446, 
in valid_input
    return self._options[sect, opt].valid_input()

KeyError: ('pop3proxy', 'servers')



No error shows in the terminal window where I started pop3proxy.

thanks
sean




_________________________________________________________________
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From seandarcy at hotmail.com  Sat May  3 00:54:28 2003
From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy)
Date: Fri May  2 23:55:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Error on proxy connection 
Message-ID: <Law8-F13EbnwEK9unHs0001dc63@hotmail.com>


>From: Tim Stone - Four Stones Expressions <tim@fourstonesExpressions.com>
>...........
> >at the terminal window where I ran pop3proxy I get:
>
>This looks like a bug.  Would you mind making a tar of a mail that causes 
>this
>error, so I can recreate and diagnose?
>
I've just gotten around to following up on this.  I've tried two different 
email programs -evolution and mozilla - each with two different email 
accounts ( both of which work with both programs). I get the same bug each 
time. So any *mail* causes  the error.

I wonder if the source of the bug isn't in the email distribution. I 
couldn't find 2.4.3, so I used 2.5 from sourceforge. I have python 2.2. I've 
looked around, but can't find a cvs source, though I did see an announcement 
of 2.5.1.

any thoughts?

sean

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat May  3 17:08:48 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sat May  3 00:09:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Still can't do web config under linux
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016ABE7E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I tried out today's cvs of spambayes. Before, I could get to 
> the web config page, but it died when I tried to save.
> Now I can't get to the config page. 
[...]
> KeyError: ('pop3proxy', 'servers')

Sorry, this was me.  I forgot to update ProxyUI and ImapUI when I
changed over the options names (this would only effect modules that use
the new options attributes, like is_valid).

I've checked in a fix for this, so please try again!  (I'm especially
curious as to whether the new temp file method will work or not.)

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sat May  3 17:16:32 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sat May  3 00:17:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Error on proxy connection 
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016ABE7F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > >at the terminal window where I ran pop3proxy I get:
> >This looks like a bug.  Would you mind making a tar of a mail that 
> >causes this error, so I can recreate and diagnose?
> I've just gotten around to following up on this.  I've tried 
> two different email programs -evolution and mozilla - each with two
> different email accounts ( both of which work with both programs).
> I get the same bug each time. So any *mail* causes  the error.

Could you try adding the following to your configuration file:
[globals]
verbose: True
and running it again?  A file called _pop3proxy.log should have been
created with a log of the POP conversation.  Could you send this on to
us?  (edit out anything private that's in there).

> I wonder if the source of the bug isn't in the email distribution. I 
> couldn't find 2.4.3, so I used 2.5 from sourceforge. I have 
> python 2.2. I've looked around, but can't find a cvs source, though I
> did see an announcement of 2.5.1.

I can't see any reason why 2.5 wouldn't be ok.  I'm only using 2.4.3 and
everything works fine.

=Tony Meyer

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sat May  3 05:40:33 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sat May  3 07:40:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-731538 ] SpamBayes not filtering
	messages.
Message-ID: <E19BvNZ-0006kZ-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #731538, was opened at 2003-05-03 05:05
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by mhammond
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=731538&group_id=61702

Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Brian Takita (btakita)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: SpamBayes not filtering messages.

Initial Comment:
The Delete as Spam button does not work either.

It gives email spam a score if I request it.

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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-03 21:40

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Can you please see the about.html file that comes with the
package (click "About" on the main Window), see how to find
the log for your sesssion, and attach it to this bug?

Thanks

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Comment By: Tim Stone (timstone4)
Date: 2003-05-03 05:50

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=645698

Can you give us a bit more info here?  What platform are you running on, 
what version of python, what version of Outlook, what version of 
spambayes (alpha1, alpha2, current cvs)?

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sat May  3 05:41:45 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sat May  3 07:41:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-731538 ] SpamBayes not filtering
	messages.
Message-ID: <E19BvOj-0006nc-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #731538, was opened at 2003-05-03 05:05
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by mhammond
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=731538&group_id=61702

Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Brian Takita (btakita)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: SpamBayes not filtering messages.

Initial Comment:
The Delete as Spam button does not work either.

It gives email spam a score if I request it.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-03 21:41

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Sorry - my mistake - you already did that - thanks!

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-03 21:40

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Can you please see the about.html file that comes with the
package (click "About" on the main Window), see how to find
the log for your sesssion, and attach it to this bug?

Thanks

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tim Stone (timstone4)
Date: 2003-05-03 05:50

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=645698

Can you give us a bit more info here?  What platform are you running on, 
what version of python, what version of Outlook, what version of 
spambayes (alpha1, alpha2, current cvs)?

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From seandarcy at hotmail.com  Sat May  3 15:02:19 2003
From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy)
Date: Sat May  3 14:02:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Still can't do web config under linux
Message-ID: <Law8-F11Jx3zIzka8tl0001e73e@hotmail.com>

>>I tried out today's cvs of spambayes. Before, I could get to the web 
>>config page, but it died when I tried to save.
>>Now I can't get to the config page. [...]
>>KeyError: ('pop3proxy', 'servers')

>Sorry, this was me.  I forgot to update ProxyUI and ImapUI when I
>changed over the options names (this would only effect modules that use
>the new options attributes, like is_valid).
>
>I've checked in a fix for this, so please try again!  (I'm especially
>curious as to whether the new temp file method will work or not.)

Well, I suppose this is progress. I got a New error message when I tried to 
bring to the config page:

500 Server error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 398, in 
found_terminator
    getattr(plugin, name)(**params)

  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/UserInterface.py", line 
409, in onConfig
    if type(options.valid_input(sect, opt)) in types.StringTypes:

  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/Options.py", line 1446, 
in valid_input
    return self._options[sect, opt].valid_input()

KeyError: ('Headers', 'notate_to')

thanks
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From seandarcy at hotmail.com  Sat May  3 15:42:02 2003
From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy)
Date: Sat May  3 14:47:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Error on proxy connection
Message-ID: <Law8-F22yDC0AHmKqyP0001e96c@hotmail.com>

Here are two _pop3proxy logs from two different accounts at optonline.net. 
They look clean to me. I tried them from evolution (2) and the mozilla 
mailer ( 1 ). Both programs showing getting the headers, and then they both 
just waiting for the mail.

Just to confirm - both work fine directly accessing these accounts.

I still think email may be an issue. Do you know where I can find 
email-2.4.3?

thanks
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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sun May  4 11:14:23 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sat May  3 18:15:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Still can't do web config under linux
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016ABE8B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Well, I suppose this is progress. I got a New error message 
> when I tried to 
> bring to the config page:

This is now fixed.  I've got some time today, so I had a chance to test
it, and it all appears to be working again.  Sorry, I should have taken
the time to check that I had fixed *all* the problems yesterday.

=Tony Meyer

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sat May  3 16:21:50 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sat May  3 18:21:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-731538 ] SpamBayes not filtering
	messages.
Message-ID: <E19C5OA-0007hk-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #731538, was opened at 2003-05-02 12:05
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Brian Takita (btakita)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: SpamBayes not filtering messages.

Initial Comment:
The Delete as Spam button does not work either.

It gives email spam a score if I request it.

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>Comment By: Brian Takita (btakita)
Date: 2003-05-03 15:21

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=620484

Windows 2000
Outlook XP
Python 2.2
SpamBayes 1.0a2

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-03 04:41

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Sorry - my mistake - you already did that - thanks!

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-03 04:40

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Can you please see the about.html file that comes with the
package (click "About" on the main Window), see how to find
the log for your sesssion, and attach it to this bug?

Thanks

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Comment By: Tim Stone (timstone4)
Date: 2003-05-02 12:50

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=645698

Can you give us a bit more info here?  What platform are you running on, 
what version of python, what version of Outlook, what version of 
spambayes (alpha1, alpha2, current cvs)?

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sun May  4 11:36:17 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sat May  3 18:36:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Error on proxy connection
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016ABE8C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Here are two _pop3proxy logs from two different accounts at 
> optonline.net. 
> They look clean to me.

One dies on RETR, the other on TOP (which actually call the same code in
pop3proxy).

It's odd that creating the message object seems to go find, but
flattening it dies.  Could you put these three lines:
            state.logFile.write("Message Text is:\n")
            state.logFile.write(messageText)
            state.logFile.flush()
After line 433 ("            ok, messageText = response.split('\n',
1)"), and attach the new log?

I'm sure this must be a message with some sort of strange encoding or
charset, or a malformed message, that's causing the exception in the
email package.  This will let us see what sort of message it is.

> I still think email may be an issue. Do you know where I can find 
> email-2.4.3?

The only place I know of is included with Python 2.2.2.  It really
shouldn't be an issue with the email package - there should be others
that are using 2.5 - and certainly many that are using 2.5.1.

=Tony Meyer

From patrick at keogh.net.au  Sun May  4 11:13:17 2003
From: patrick at keogh.net.au (Patrick Keogh)
Date: Sat May  3 20:13:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE:Could the Outlook plugin mark messages as "Read"when
	they are moved to spam folder?
In-Reply-To: <E19BzQk-00037v-02@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <000901c311d1$f74272b0$0a7114cb@keogh.net.au>

In response Tony Meyer asks:

	Out of interest, which behaviour would you rather have?
	(a) Mark all messages classified as Spam as read.
	(b) Mark all messages actioned with the "Delete as Spam" button as read.

My answer is that, in a perfect world, I'd like to see two checkboxes on the
Anti-Spam Manager combo box, labelled:
[] Mark messages as read when the filter moves them to the Spam folder
[] Mark messages as read when they are moved using the "Delete as Spam"
button



From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sat May  3 19:43:09 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sat May  3 21:43:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Feature Requests-680629 ] Outlook plugin:
	Delete as spam marks as read
Message-ID: <E19C8Wz-0006bu-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Feature Requests item #680629, was opened at 2003-02-05 13:30
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Priority: 1
Submitted By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook plugin: Delete as spam marks as read

Initial Comment:
Personally I think it would be nice if the "delete as 
spam" button marked the mail item as read.  Note that 
I'm not saying that mail that is filtered as spam should 
be marked as read - it shouldn't (by default).

If others agree, this would be a nice addition.  Perhaps 
as an option in the prefs.

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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-04 11:43

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

	Out of interest, which behaviour would you rather have?
	(a) Mark all messages classified as Spam as read.
	(b) Mark all messages actioned with the "Delete as Spam"
button as read.

My answer is that, in a perfect world, I'd like to see two
checkboxes on the
Anti-Spam Manager combo box, labelled:
[] Mark messages as read when the filter moves them to the
Spam folder
[] Mark messages as read when they are moved using the
"Delete as Spam"
button


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Comment By: Tim Stone (timstone4)
Date: 2003-02-27 02:45

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=645698

This is an interesting thread.  I think it should move to the main list.  
Pop3proxy has a very similar configuration function, which manages 
options into bayescustomize.ini (by default).  This is another area that 
we should solve the problem once...

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Comment By: Piers Haken (piersh)
Date: 2003-02-07 22:38

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=10551

i don't care if you do this or not (since spambayes catches all 
my spam ;-) ), but please don't mark any automatically-
filtered spam as 'read' - it would be a pain to check for FPs if 
you did. thx.

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-02-07 22:05

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Fair enough :)

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Comment By: Paul Moore (pmoore)
Date: 2003-02-07 20:09

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=113328

I'd like the "Mark as read" option. Most unsures and false 
negatives which are spam, I can identify by subject, and 
hence I don't open (and I don't use the preview pane).

But it's not crucial - Ctrl-Q does a very quick "Mark as read" 
anyway...

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-02-05 14:17

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Agreed that it is not necessary.

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-02-05 14:11

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Yep, I see that makring as read could be useful in that they
have been reviewed, but then I would expect Outlook's normal
mechanism to still work and mark it read.  I have my preview
pane mark as read after 2 seconds :)

Re the INI file - my problem is that the GUI needs to modify
these options, and I don't see how it is trivial to keep the
fairly "free-form" INI file format supported by
configparser, while only writing out certain elements and
not others and also keeping comments etc intact.

I'll make a deal - help me with the options problem, and I
will give you 5 free option <wink>.  Let's take it to email...

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-02-05 13:56

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

My reasoning was that if the user manually selects to delete 
it as spam, then it is as good as read.  Those that are moving 
via the filter have not been read.  Personally I still wade 
through the filtered spam to check it for false positives, and 
mark the messages as read as I go (so that the 'unread' 
display is the number of messages I haven't checked).  If I 
choose delete as spam, I then have to go to the spam folder 
and mark it as read.

In any case, no big deal if you disagree, it was just a 
thought :)

Re: the ini file: looking at the ini, it doesn't seem to have 
anything that couldn't be in the GUI.  Most of it would 
probably fit in the "advanced" dialog.  It would probably be 
good if the ini was only for 'beta' options - anything that is for 
public use should be in the GUI.  And if a 'beta' option moves 
to 'public', then it doesn't matter (much) if it breaks, because 
those using beta options should be upgrading anyway.

Moving the existing settings (most of which should be 
exposed I think) would mean breaking existing code, but 
maybe just this once?  Maybe this discussion should move 
to the list?  (maybe I should have posted this there originally?)

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-02-05 13:41

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

I'm not too sure this should happen unless the filter also
marks the items as read - otherwise you still end up with
many spam in the spam folder unread, and only the ones you
move manually marked as read.

I'm also kinda stuck about what to do with "options". 
Currently, options managed by the GUI are in a pickle, while
other options are in the .ini file.  I don't object to
having new, outlook specific options in the INI file, but I
do object to all our existing code breaking should we decide
later to move this option into the GUI.

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-02-05 13:31

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

And who else to decide on this, but Mark :)

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From dave at boost-consulting.com  Sat May  3 23:19:21 2003
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Sat May  3 22:20:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Success! : Spambayes + IMAP + crontab +
 CommunigatePro + procmail
In-Reply-To: <DVSFEMKPL7372HC2WONMJUONKZUED8.3eb1b63b@myst> (Tim Stone's
	message of "Thu, 01 May 2003 19:05:15 -0500")
References: <uptn2rzib.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
	<DVSFEMKPL7372HC2WONMJUONKZUED8.3eb1b63b@myst>
Message-ID: <uvfwrh2s6.fsf@boost-consulting.com>

Tim Stone - Four Stones Expressions <tim@fourstonesExpressions.com> writes:

> 5/1/2003 6:57:48 PM, David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>After much thrashing, I have successfully set up a server-side
>>filtering system with spambayes.
>
> Congratulations!  You're one persistent dude. <wink>
>
>>If there is any interest in a RestructuredText (or HTML) document
>>describing the whole deal from the POV of a neophyte in
>>email/IMAP/procmail/CGPro/Spambayes, and it would get displayed
>>somewhere useful to others, I'd be glad to contribute one to the
>>Spambayes project.
>
> If you create a document in html, I'll be sure it shows up (credited) on the 
> website...

Voila:

http://www.boost-consulting.com/writing/server-side.html
http://www.boost-consulting.com/writing/server-side.rst

Please see the open questions at the end of the document.  I think
it's important that someone from the project answer this question.

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com


From seandarcy at hotmail.com  Sun May  4 00:52:46 2003
From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy)
Date: Sat May  3 23:53:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Still can't do web config under linux
Message-ID: <Law8-F42MazUSxvjPkQ00015264@hotmail.com>

WorksForMe.

But... just to check I added a mail server on the config page and then saved 
it. In the terminal window where I started pop3proxy, the new server showed 
up. When I went back to the main web page, it didn't. If it's not proxying 
for the new server, it shouldn't show up on th terminal window; if it is it 
ounght to show up on the web page.

thanks for fixing the config page.
sean


>From: "Meyer, Tony" <T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz>
>To: "sean darcy" <seandarcy@hotmail.com>, <Spambayes@python.org>
>Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Still can't do web config under linux
>Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 10:14:23 +1200
>
> > Well, I suppose this is progress. I got a New error message
> > when I tried to
> > bring to the config page:
>
>This is now fixed.  I've got some time today, so I had a chance to test
>it, and it all appears to be working again.  Sorry, I should have taken
>the time to check that I had fixed *all* the problems yesterday.
>
>=Tony Meyer


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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sun May  4 17:00:26 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun May  4 00:01:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Still can't do web config under linux
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016ABE9F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> But... just to check I added a mail server on the config page 
> and then saved it. In the terminal window where I started pop3proxy,
> the new server showed up. When I went back to the main web page,
> it didn't. If it's not proxying for the new server, it shouldn't
> show up on the terminal window; if it is it ought to show up on
> the web page.

Good spotting.  It was proxying, it just wasn't updating.  I've fixed
this, too.

> thanks for fixing the config page.

Well, I broke it, so I had to, really <wink>.

=Tony Meyer

From stego at cpl.net  Sat May  3 21:55:50 2003
From: stego at cpl.net (Stego)
Date: Sun May  4 00:14:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] My Dream Spam Killer...
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20030503190229.00a28c40@loraninc.com>

Hello there!
   I've been looking around at all of the available spam tagger/killers, 
and by the looks of it I believe that your system might be close to what 
I've been dreaming about. Lacking the skills necessary to program such a 
beast, I figgured that I go ahead and, instead of keeping my thoughts 
bottled up, share my thoughts with those people who Can make a difference. 
At the same time, perhaps, mabye you can tell me if your spam system 
already does what I'm dreaming about... Enough of my yappin, herein lies my 
Dream Spam Killer:

====

I dream of a bayesian-style system that is interactive, and also uses 
whitelisting as an identification tool: It sits parallel to an existing 
SMTP server much like most filters currently do... However, unlike most 
"Install and its Running" style systems, this one would need some time to 
learn per user: During the first few months of it being activated against a 
particular inbox, while it's scoring database is empty, the spam system 
will simply sit there, processing all messages and keeping a dictionary 
tally of words of all incomming messages for this individual user. During 
this phase, it is only learning about words that are found in all the 
emails directed at this user. Also during this time, The system is taught 
to recognize spam when the user forwards a peice of email to one of a few 
e-mail addresses that the system is taught to Intercept, such as 
spam@mycompany.com, or ham@mycompany.com, or badspam@mycompany.com. Upon 
receiving such an "Interactive" message, the system will then look through 
the forwarded message and either perform a "Spammyness" calculation or a 
whitelisting of that message's sender, and store the scores as being 
specific to the user who forwarded the message. This way, what is marked as 
spam for one user isn't necessarily marked as spam for another user, and 
the user has control at interactively Identifying those address which are 
Not spam, without ever having to know a thing about how the server really 
works.

Here's a sample scenario of what Im getting at:

Lets say that we implement the system on a server that handles 130 
different e-mail addresses. Let us home in to one local mailbox owner: 
julie@mycompany.com.

The Spam system, when first activated against an individual inbox, simply 
sits there in "Monitor" mode, watching the mail that passes through, 
building a word dictionary that is specific to Only julie@mycompany.com. 
All other users have their own word dictionary sets.

Lets say that one day Julie receives a Nigerian Scam spam. As per the 
instructions that were e-mailed to her when the system was first activated 
against her inbox, She Immediately forwards this message to 
spam@mycompany.com, where the Spam system will then take the message and 
perform its Bayesian scoring methods, updating its word dictionary for 
Julie in the process. Now here's the thing: The System has already once 
seen this style of mail pass through it, before Julie came back and 
labelled it as spam. Essentially, the system is working on an "Innocent 
until proven Guilty" phase: Until Julie blew the whistle on the message, 
the system simply took record of the major words in this message as a 
Non-spam email. If she were to forward the message to 
badspam@mycompany.com, this would tell the system that this message is Much 
more irritating to julie than normal, and that she would prefer to see 
these deleted rather than just tagged as spam. Porn messages would be 
example messages that would be sent to the badspam list. Of course since 
the system is still in Monitor mode against her account, future messages 
of  this type will not yet be deleted.

On this same day, Julie receives a message from her friend jack@aol.com. 
Again, as per the instructions she received, she forwards this message to 
ham@mycompany.com, where the e-mail address of the is now recorded as a 
"Friendly" e-mail address, and will from now on be tagged as a friendly 
message until julie says otherwise in the future (when she sends a command 
to spamsystem@mycompany.com in much the same way as sending commands to a 
listserver). She can also add addresses that she considers to be Friendly 
to her whitelist in this manner. This whitelist that is created is simply a 
list of those addresses that the Spam system will deliver without trying to 
score it.

After a few weeks (or several hundred messages, whatever timeframe the 
Administrator tells the spam system to wait), the system will send a 
message asking her if she wants to switch the spam system into "Test" mode. 
If she says Yes, then the spam system will start delivering all her 
messages with a visible tag message showing julie what the message was 
tagged as: Ham, Spam, BadSpam, or Meat (Unidentified). If any one of them 
were incorrectly identified, she would simply forward the mistagged message 
to the appropriate system box (ham@mucompany.com, spam@mycompany.com, or 
badspam@mycompany.com), where the system would then update its scores for 
words contained in that message appropriately.

After the System has been running in Test mode for a bit, if it hasn't 
received any misidentified messages back from Julie in awhile (again a 
percentage or time period specified by the Admin), it would then ask her if 
she wanted to switch her system into Run mode. If she says Yes, then from 
then on the system will go ahead and tag Spam with an invisible header 
Identifier that can be filtered by the users Email client, and all BadSpam 
will be Immediately deleted, sending to julie a simple message (that has 
been marked as Spam) saying that a message from such@such.com that was 
Identified as Badspam and thus deleted. (Any such deletions would also 
generate a kicked back message to the sender, indicating that their message 
was deleted.) Anything that has been tagged as Meat will still retain a 
visible "This has been tagged as Meat. Please tell me what you want done 
with these styles of Messages" message at the top, allowing Julie to take 
further action on the message (either sending it to ham, spam, or 
badspam@mycompany.com).
Julie could at anytime send a command to spamsystem@mycompany.com and 
adjust any of her settings: weather or not to inform her of deleted 
badspams, removing or adding people from her whitelist, or even to set the 
system back to Test mode, or even turn he system completely off if she desires.

When julie's mail account is deleted from the server, her scores are 
deleted as well.

=====

Anyway, I hope that this proves to be inspirational if not useful in the 
building of a better spam trap!

Ray Collazo, MIS Loran Inc. (rcollazo@nightscaping.com)



From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sun May  4 17:42:42 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun May  4 00:43:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] My Dream Spam Killer...
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016ABEA2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I dream of a bayesian-style system that is interactive,

If by interactive, you mean that you need to train it, then yes.

> and also uses whitelisting as an identification tool

There isn't any whitelisting done.  However, all that most of the
Spambayes apps do is add a classification to a message.  It's up to the
mail program to do something with it (imapfilter is an exception to
this; I don't know about the hammiefilter style apps).

So, you could have a rule in the mail app that says something along the
lines of "if this is not in the whitelist and the classification is
spam, remove it".  You could also have Spambayes operate after a system
that just white/black lists.

> It sits parallel to an existing SMTP server much like most
> filters currently do...

I'm not sure exactly what you mean here.  Do you want mail to be
classified/filtered as you send it?  I'm not sure how this would help.
Spambayes does work with existing mail servers (POP, IMAP,
Exchange-via-Outlook).

> However, unlike most "Install and its Running" style systems,
> this one would need some time to learn per user:

Well, as soon as you have trained one ham and one spam message, you'll
get reasonable results.  The docs talk about how this improves over
time, but there really isn't a need for a non-classifying period.  At
first there will be a few mistakes, and a reasonable number of unsures,
but this will change very quickly (assuming you train on them).

> The system is taught to recognize spam when
> the user forwards a piece of email to one of a few 
> e-mail addresses that the system is taught to Intercept, such as 
> spam@mycompany.com, or ham@mycompany.com, or 
> badspam@mycompany.com.

This is more-or-less how the SMTP proxy works.

> Lets say that we implement the system on a server that handles 130 
> different e-mail addresses.

>From the FAQ:

Q: This software is great!  I want to implement it for all my users.
   Are there plans to develop a server-side spambayes solution?
A: The problem with a server-side solution is that everyone has a
   different idea of what is spam - that's the whole strength of the
   bayesian-style filtering concept.  If you are certain that *all*
   of your users would agree on what is spam and what is not, then
   this might work for you, but otherwise you really have to have
   individual databases for each user.  Either way, you should be
   able to modify spambayes easily enough to fit into your setup.
   Please let the list know if you do have success in this area, and
   we'll update this answer.

> Essentially, the system is working on an "Innocent 
> until proven Guilty" phase

None of the Spambayes apps (AFAIK) train all incoming mail (as the
classified type).  It would be simple to do this if that was what you
wanted, and I believe it was suggested (in the context of the Outlook
plugin) at one stage.  If this is what you want, open a feature request
(RFE) via sourceforge (<http://sf.net/projects/spambayes>) referring to
a specific application (like pop3proxy, or imapfilter).

> If she were to forward the message to badspam@mycompany.com, this
> would tell the system that this message is Much more irritating to
> julie than normal, and that she would prefer to see these deleted
> rather than just tagged as spam. Porn messages would be 
> example messages that would be sent to the badspam list.

This is much trickier than it sounds.  How does the system identify
messages like those?  Spambayes is a binary classifier - either messages
are like the ham set, or like the spam set.  You could set a limit above
which score messages are deleted (> 99%, for example).  You could have
two databases - one that classifies between ham/spam and one for
ham/badspam; this is really just an implementation issue.

> On this same day, Julie receives a message from her friend 
> jack@aol.com.
[...]
> the e-mail address of the is now recorded as a 
> "Friendly" e-mail address, and will from now on be tagged as 
> a friendly message until julie says otherwise in the future

It would be fairly simple to create a SMTP/POP proxy pair that did this
sort of automatic whitelisting, but that's not what spambayes does.
Whitelisting doesn't really work very well, anyway, in my experience -
too many messages from people I don't know, and too easy to spoof a
known address (like my own).

> Anyway, I hope that this proves to be inspirational if not 
> useful in the building of a better spam trap!

I hope my comments have made it clearer what Spambayes does, and what it
doesn't.  It is, for the most part, what you described (but then so are
other filters), without the whitelisting component (maybe you should
look at SpamAssassin).

The main thing is that Spambayes at the moment is a client-side.  There
are a lot of issues about server-side bayesian-style filtering.  On the
other hand, if someone wants to implement a server-side filter and can
decide what the rules will be (about individual databases,
deletion/tagging, and so on), then the core Spambayes code can be used
without change.

Note that there is also a reasonable amount of documentation on the
website that describes what Spambayes does: <http://spambayes.org>.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Sun May  4 17:49:28 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun May  4 00:50:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] My Dream Spam Killer...
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016ABEA3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I hope my comments have made it clearer what Spambayes does, 
> and what it doesn't.  It is, for the most part, what you described
> (but then so are other filters), without the whitelisting component

In all that, I missed the most important comment:

Why not give Spambayes a go?  The website has all the information you
should need to get started.  The current alpha2 release doesn't have the
smtp proxy training like you described, but alpha3/beta1 should be out
soon, or you could be brave ;) and try the cvs code.

Make sure that you let us know if you try it out and find things that
could be done better, or if you have problems.

:)

=Tony Meyer

From patrick at keogh.net.au  Sun May  4 18:09:02 2003
From: patrick at keogh.net.au (Patrick Keogh)
Date: Sun May  4 03:09:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin and mark as read when moved/deleted...
In-Reply-To: <E19CAZs-0002M6-05@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <000b01c3120c$0b610100$0a7114cb@keogh.net.au>

Some of the discussion seems to have missed the point I was making.
I only asked that there be an option for the filter to mark a message
as read. I was not suggesting that this should be the default or only
behaviour.

In any event, if we all read our Spam, just to check that there are
no false positives, what is the point in using a Spam filter?
That's why I want them marked as read. Once Spambayes has consigned
a message to the Spam folder (automatically or because I moved it),
for me that's the end of it. I haven't had a false positive in the
past six months. All I would do occasionally is to go to the Spam
folder, sort it by Spaminess, and look at the marginal messages.

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon May  5 10:31:26 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun May  4 17:32:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin and mark as read when moved/deleted...
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016ABF68@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Some of the discussion seems to have missed the point I was 
> making. I only asked that there be an option for the filter 
> to mark a message as read. I was not suggesting that this 
> should be the default or only behaviour.

I can't speak for everyone, but I think we understood that.  I also
would like (some of) the behaviour you've suggested, but as a
default-to-off option.

> In any event, if we all read our Spam, just to check that 
> there are no false positives, what is the point in using a 
> Spam filter?

Well, it does move them all away where you can deal with them once per
day/week/month.  For those that a false positive would be really really
bad, this is the way to go.

I'm sure that Mark (or maybe me, or maybe someone else) will get to
implementing this option at some point...

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon May  5 11:14:15 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun May  4 18:14:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] PEP-0263 and resourcepackage (ui_html.py)
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016ABFAD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

Apparently Python 2.3b1 gives the following warning:

> /opt/python/2.3b1/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/UserIn
> terface.py:192: 
> DeprecationWarning: Non-ASCII character '\xda' in file 
> /opt/python/2.3b1/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/resour
> ces/ui_html.py 
> on line 7, but no encoding declared; see 
> http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html for details
>    from spambayes.resources import ui_html

ui_html.py is created by resource_package and contains a zlib compressed
string, which is where the /xda character is.

What should be done about this? 
  (a) Ignore the warning, and fix it when phase 2 of the PEP is
implemented.
  (b) Ask the resourcepackage people to update it so that it includes an
encoding.
  (c) Something else.

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon May  5 12:34:29 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun May  4 21:35:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] URLSlurper (Was: Latest spammer trick stymied
	-QUESTION)
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016ABB00@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <015601c312a6$79a2cf50$530f8490@eden>

> Time to pull out the testing data again...

OK - I will bite.  These short URL messages are still coming strong, and
usually still ending up squarely as "unsure".

Eg, the most recent I can find has a body of:
"""
Brother and Sister
Nephew and Aunt
Nasty relatives performing intrafamilial party in bedroom

http://peipeisoq.incestuals.com/
"""

To my mind, if you are a "customer" of such Spam, you know exactly what it
is offering - so presumably is as effective as any other porn spam -
possibly more so due to the "teasing" qualities.

> In the interests of testing, I've done this.  The code isn't based at
> all on the stuff that Richard sent (it was easier to just do it from
> scratch), but does follow the same rules (more-or-less).

*sigh* - while running the Outlook "export" program, I still see some errors
de-composing Outlook messages:

Failed to get message text for 'ADV: The Star Trek Cast NAKED! - This months
special feature. -  Must Be 18 Years or Older': string payload expected:
<type 'list'>
Failed to get message text for 'ADV: Exclusive Hot Young Centerfold Girls! -
Must Be 18 Years or Older': string payload expected: <type 'list'>
Failed to get message text for '[PMX:#] Be impressed!': string payload
expected: <type 'list'>
Failed to get message text for 'My father and his bitches...': string
payload expected: <type 'list'

Someone must look into this one of these days <wink>.  And to think it
appears profitable to send spam advertising the StarTrek cast naked <frown>.

> urls that will timeout (60s a pop!), and not a good idea to run if you
> pay per kb downloaded, or something like that).

I admit I am a little suspect on this test code though - it *seems* to be
slurping URLs even when there are plenty of discriminators.  I may be wrong
though, and have no time to check.

Anyway, after waiting ages for things to complete, and making some changes
to the test code, I have some results.  For me, it seems a loss!

timtest_outs.txt -> urlslurper_outs.txt
-> <stat> tested 423 hams & 1430 spams against 462 hams & 1493 spams
...
false positive percentages
...
won   0 times
tied 20 times
lost  0 times

total unique fp went from 8 to 8 tied
mean fp % went from 0.159381556389 to 0.159381556389 tied

false negative percentages
...
won   0 times
tied 14 times
lost  6 times
...

Which seems surprising.  I also note my ham/spam inbalance is getting high,
and it *seems* spambayes isn't doing the job it used to (far more "unsures"
than seems reasonable).  Unfortunately (or fortunately) it is still doing
good enough for me to not have the time to investigate further.

Another option is that my changes to the urlslurper (eg, only fetching
text/html) broke the test.  Can you re-run again from CVS and make sure you
still see a win.  I'd *love* to see a win (even though implementing anything
like this for outlook would be a challenge ;)

Mark.
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From anthony at interlink.com.au  Mon May  5 12:01:15 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Sun May  4 22:01:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] PEP-0263 and resourcepackage (ui_html.py) 
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016ABFAD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <200305050101.h4511GV22753@localhost.localdomain>


>>> "Meyer, Tony" wrote
> ui_html.py is created by resource_package and contains a zlib compressed
> string, which is where the /xda character is.
> 
> What should be done about this? 
>   (a) Ignore the warning, and fix it when phase 2 of the PEP is
> implemented.
>   (b) Ask the resourcepackage people to update it so that it includes an
> encoding.
>   (c) Something else.

Either (b), or, as a workaround, write something to patch the generated
file.

Anthony
-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From koschate at bigfoot.com  Mon May  5 17:18:11 2003
From: koschate at bigfoot.com (Thomas Koschate)
Date: Mon May  5 16:45:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Chaos Manor & Spambayes
Message-ID: <NEECJGCFDIELPDLPPFPFAEACDFAA.koschate@bigfoot.com>

I notice in the current issue of Chaos Manor, Jerry Pournelle gives
Spambayes a mention, along with the Outlook plug-in.  Unfortunately, Byte
has gone to a subscription model, so I'm not sure how useful this link is:

http://www.byte.com/documents/s=8221/byt1051823222963/0505_pournelle.html

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From lists at morpheus.demon.co.uk  Mon May  5 23:09:14 2003
From: lists at morpheus.demon.co.uk (Paul Moore)
Date: Mon May  5 17:15:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] PEP-0263 and resourcepackage (ui_html.py)
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016ABFAD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<200305050101.h4511GV22753@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <n2m-g.llxlcd8l.fsf@morpheus.demon.co.uk>

Anthony Baxter <anthony@interlink.com.au> writes:

>>>> "Meyer, Tony" wrote
>> ui_html.py is created by resource_package and contains a zlib compressed
>> string, which is where the /xda character is.
>> 
>> What should be done about this? 
>>   (a) Ignore the warning, and fix it when phase 2 of the PEP is
>> implemented.
>>   (b) Ask the resourcepackage people to update it so that it includes an
>> encoding.
>>   (c) Something else.
>
> Either (b), or, as a workaround, write something to patch the generated
> file.

Variation on (b) - get resourcepackage fixed to use \x escapes in
strings rather than literal binary characters >127. I believe this is
the correct answer (Python's default encoding has always been 7-bit
ASCII, although pre-2.3, 8-bit data in strings was accepted).

Paul.
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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue May  6 12:52:49 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon May  5 19:53:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] PEP-0263 and resourcepackage (ui_html.py)
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13016AC3CC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > Either (b), or, as a workaround, write something to patch the 
> > generated file.
> Variation on (b) - get resourcepackage fixed to use \x 
> escapes in strings rather than literal binary characters 
> >127. I believe this is the correct answer (Python's default 
> encoding has always been 7-bit ASCII, although pre-2.3, 8-bit 
> data in strings was accepted).

I submitted a feature request on resource package to get this fixed, and
then there was some discussion about the correct encoding on c.l.p.

The /x escapes method was suggested, but the resource package author
didn't like the idea much because it would add significantly to the size
of the files.

It seems that resource package will be updated to add an encoding
comment (latin1) at some point in the near future.

In the meantime, I'll add the comment to our resource packaged files so
that we can avoid the depreciation warnings.

=Tony Meyer

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Tue May  6 07:04:08 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Tue May  6 09:04:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-733247 ] crash when using merged-in
	options
Message-ID: <E19D276-0003Sm-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #733247, was opened at 2003-05-06 15:04
Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Sjoerd Mullender (sjoerd)
Assigned to: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Summary: crash when using merged-in options

Initial Comment:
In revision 1.48 a bug was introduced that causes a
crash when you have used merge_files to merge in
options from a file.

The problem is, the call to self._oldset sets the
option to the string form of the value just after it
had been set correctly in the call to self.set one line
earlier.

The fix (I think) is to apply the attached patch.

Also, testing your changes is a good idea...

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From jesper.persson at gmx.net  Tue May  6 10:21:27 2003
From: jesper.persson at gmx.net (Jesper)
Date: Tue May  6 09:51:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with latest CVS
Message-ID: <000801c313a0$1c4b5520$63c411c2@helsingborgshem.net>

Hello,

I had problems with the latest CVS earlier giving me a "500 server error" when trying to configure through the web interface but that was fixed. Now I get it when I try to review the messages. I've pasted the error message below. I use the latest CVS and Perl 5.8 on a Win2k machine.

Hope it's ok to mail you directly like this, I don't have access to newsgroups. Thanks for a promising spam filter, keep up the good work!

Regards,

Jesper Persson


500 Server error
Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "c:\spambayes\spambayes\Dibbler.py", line 398, in found_terminator
    getattr(plugin, name)(**params)

  File "c:\spambayes\spambayes\ProxyUI.py", line 350, in onReview
    judgement = message[options.hammie_header_name]

AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no attribute 'hammie_header_name'
From jjl at pobox.com  Tue May  6 14:37:48 2003
From: jjl at pobox.com (John J Lee)
Date: Tue May  6 09:51:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes.messageinfo.db & FAQ.txt
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305061335090.1068-100000@alice>

I tried out spambayes (with imapfilter.py & Python 2.2), and nothing
surprised me except the fact that spambayes.messageinfo.db gets dropped in
the local directory rather than in some location configured by an option.

I initially assumed that this must mean spambayes has been double-counting
(or multiple-counting) messages (since I ran imapfilter.py from several
locations, littering spambayes.messageinfo.dbs all over the place).  I
haven't noticed it doing that, though -- so what is this DB for?  Or does
it get rebuilt from the messages on the server if it's not found in the
current directory?  In which case, again, what is its purpose?

I did notice the comment in message.py that there are plans for a central
DB, but in the mean time, perhaps it would be nice to append something
like this to FAQ.txt:

>---------------CUT HERE-----------

Q: I've made a configuration file.  Anything else I need to do?
A: Yes, you need to remember that spambayes currently always keeps its log
   of seen messages in a file "spambayes.messageinfo.db" in the current
   directory, so it's best to run spambayes tools from the same directory
   every time.
>---------------CUT HERE-----------


John


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Tue May  6 08:18:40 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Tue May  6 10:18:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-725466 ] Include a proper locale fix
	in Options.py
Message-ID: <E19D3HE-0008Ks-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #725466, was opened at 2003-04-22 08:07
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Assigned to: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Summary: Include a proper locale fix in Options.py

Initial Comment:
When reading the options, the float() call fails when the 
locale is a language that uses a ',' for a separator 
instead of '.'.  This is hack-fixed in Outlook, but needs to 
be fixed in general.

I imagine that there must be some sort of locale call that 
will convert between the current locale and English, and 
that this should be called as the option is set.

Anyway, I'll get to this when I can.

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Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-06 16:18

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=671479

It seems like it's not enough to fix Options.py only. I did this 
and then got the following error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, args, 
None, None)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwargs, 
serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, dispid, lcid, 
wFlags, args, kwArgs, serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 
611, in OnConnection
    self.manager = manager.GetManager(application)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 335, in GetManager
    _mgr = BayesManager(outlook=outlook, verbose=verbose)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 79, in __init__
    import_core_spambayes_stuff(self.ini_filename)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 53, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
    from spambayes.tokenizer import tokenize
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes\tokenizer.py", 
line 7, in ?
    import email.Message
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Message.py", line 14, in ?
    from email import Utils
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Utils.py", line 10, in ?
    import random
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 93, in ?
    _verify('NV_MAGICCONST', NV_MAGICCONST, 
1.71552776992141)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 88, in _verify
    raise ValueError(
exceptions.ValueError: computed value for 
NV_MAGICCONST deviates too much (computed 2,82843, 
expected 1)



Obviously random.py uses ',' too!  I'm using german 
Windows/Outlook, if I can be of any help in testing, just drop 
me a mail.

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-04-24 08:30

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Options.py now uses locale.atoi and locale.atof to convert 
options.  I *think* this will solve this problem, but I'm not 
100%.

If someone could do some testing, that would be great.  I'm 
leaving open until I'm sure it's done.

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May  7 12:05:24 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May  6 19:08:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with latest CVS
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181BA28@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Hope it's ok to mail you directly like this, I don't have 
> access to newsgroups.

Of course.  The alternative would be to submit a bug report via sf:
<http://sf.net/projects/spambayes>

> AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no attribute 
> 'hammie_header_name'

Fixed in cvs.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May  7 12:21:53 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May  6 19:22:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes.messageinfo.db & FAQ.txt
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181BA3F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I tried out spambayes (with imapfilter.py & Python 2.2), and 
> nothing surprised me except the fact that 
> spambayes.messageinfo.db gets dropped in the local directory 
> rather than in some location configured by an option.

Yeah, I'd noticed this too, but hadn't got round to doing anything about
it.  It's nice to hear that imapfilter is working for you... :)

> what is this DB for?  Or 
> does it get rebuilt from the messages on the server if it's 
> not found in the current directory?  In which case, again, 
> what is its purpose?

It stores information about messages that spambayes apps have seen (as
opposed to the 'hammie.db' database that stores word counts).
Specifically, at the moment it stores whether a message of a given id
has been classified and/or trained.  It doesn't get rebuilt.  I suspect
that the reason you didn't notice anything is that re-classification of
messages should (unless training changes things) result in the same
classification, and often messages that have been classified (and moved)
are no longer in folders that are being filtered anyway.  It might have
meant that the 'hammie.db' database ended up being trained with multiple
copies of messages, however.

> I did notice the comment in message.py that there are plans 
> for a central DB, but in the mean time, perhaps it would be 
> nice to append something like this to FAQ.txt:

I think this is the reason that it was left like this.  If I understand
things correctly, the aim is to have a single file that contains this
database, the 'hammie.db' one, and whatever else turns up.

For the moment, what I'll do is add an option that specifies where the
db should go (we can remove the option if the file later disappears).
This will default to just "spambayes.messageinfo.db" (so still in the
CWD), but you can set it with a full path to fix this problem.  It'll be
in the "Storage" section, under the name "messageinfo_storage_file".
I'll add it to the web ui for imapfilter and pop3proxy, but you can also
add this to your config file:

[Storage]
messageinfo_storage_file: path/to/my/file/messageinfo.db

=Tony Meyer

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Tue May  6 17:37:19 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Tue May  6 19:37:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-725466 ] Include a proper locale fix
	in Options.py
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Bugs item #725466, was opened at 2003-04-22 18:07
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Assigned to: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Summary: Include a proper locale fix in Options.py

Initial Comment:
When reading the options, the float() call fails when the 
locale is a language that uses a ',' for a separator 
instead of '.'.  This is hack-fixed in Outlook, but needs to 
be fixed in general.

I imagine that there must be some sort of locale call that 
will convert between the current locale and English, and 
that this should be called as the option is set.

Anyway, I'll get to this when I can.

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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-07 11:37

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This makes me wonder if the locale just needs to be set, but 
that seems too heavy-handed and ugly, really.

What happens if you just execute
>>> import random
from the interpreter (e.g. in PythonWin or IDLE)?

I suspect that you'll get the same trace, in which case this 
really should be fixed in random.py, not in Spambayes 
(although it would be easy enough to throw together a hack 
for it).

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Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-07 02:18

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It seems like it's not enough to fix Options.py only. I did this 
and then got the following error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, args, 
None, None)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwargs, 
serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, dispid, lcid, 
wFlags, args, kwArgs, serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 
611, in OnConnection
    self.manager = manager.GetManager(application)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 335, in GetManager
    _mgr = BayesManager(outlook=outlook, verbose=verbose)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 79, in __init__
    import_core_spambayes_stuff(self.ini_filename)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 53, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
    from spambayes.tokenizer import tokenize
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes\tokenizer.py", 
line 7, in ?
    import email.Message
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Message.py", line 14, in ?
    from email import Utils
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Utils.py", line 10, in ?
    import random
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 93, in ?
    _verify('NV_MAGICCONST', NV_MAGICCONST, 
1.71552776992141)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 88, in _verify
    raise ValueError(
exceptions.ValueError: computed value for 
NV_MAGICCONST deviates too much (computed 2,82843, 
expected 1)



Obviously random.py uses ',' too!  I'm using german 
Windows/Outlook, if I can be of any help in testing, just drop 
me a mail.

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-04-24 18:30

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Options.py now uses locale.atoi and locale.atof to convert 
options.  I *think* this will solve this problem, but I'm not 
100%.

If someone could do some testing, that would be great.  I'm 
leaving open until I'm sure it's done.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Tue May  6 17:47:03 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Tue May  6 19:47:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-733247 ] crash when using merged-in
	options
Message-ID: <E19DC9H-0002sy-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #733247, was opened at 2003-05-07 01:04
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Category: None
Group: None
>Status: Closed
>Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Sjoerd Mullender (sjoerd)
Assigned to: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Summary: crash when using merged-in options

Initial Comment:
In revision 1.48 a bug was introduced that causes a
crash when you have used merge_files to merge in
options from a file.

The problem is, the call to self._oldset sets the
option to the string form of the value just after it
had been set correctly in the call to self.set one line
earlier.

The fix (I think) is to apply the attached patch.

Also, testing your changes is a good idea...

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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-07 11:47

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Fixed in 1.52.

BTW I do test changes; I both do as much testing as I can 
explcitly, plus I run pop3proxy, imapfilter and the Outlook 
plugin on current cvs, all day, every day.  There's always a 
possibility that I'll miss something, however.  Remember that 
this is cvs code, not release code (not even alpha, which 
could still have bugs).

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From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com  Tue May  6 23:29:45 2003
From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone - Four Stones Expressions)
Date: Tue May  6 23:30:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes.messageinfo.db & FAQ.txt
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181BA3F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <BQKJEJHGLJB8OK3Z61EAZV2YRN3V5.3eb87da9@myst>

5/6/2003 6:21:53 PM, "Meyer, Tony" <T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz> wrote:

>> I did notice the comment in message.py that there are plans 
>> for a central DB, but in the mean time, perhaps it would be 
>> nice to append something like this to FAQ.txt:
>
>I think this is the reason that it was left like this.  If I understand
>things correctly, the aim is to have a single file that contains this
>database, the 'hammie.db' one, and whatever else turns up.

I've started researching this... it will mean some fairly significant changes 
to things: it won't necessarily be non-disruptive of the existing codebase. 
(don't you love double negative logic?)

c'est moi - TimS
http://www.fourstonesExpressions.com
http://wecanstopspam.org

There are 10 kinds of people in the world:
  those who understand binary,
  and those who don't.



From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May  7 17:08:08 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May  7 00:10:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes.messageinfo.db & FAQ.txt
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181BBF1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I've started researching this... it will mean some fairly 
> significant changes 
> to things: it won't necessarily be non-disruptive of the 
> existing codebase. (don't you love double negative logic?)

Can you give some examples of the significant changes?

=Tony Meyer

From richard at jowsey.com  Wed May  7 15:23:17 2003
From: richard at jowsey.com (Richard Jowsey)
Date: Wed May  7 00:24:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam probability distribution graphs
Message-ID: <3EB916D5.5369.1B416E1B@localhost>

Hi again Tony,

I'm now obtaining real-time "snapshot" graphics of the spam 
probability distributions off of our 3 mail-filtering servers (USA, 
Australia & NZ). You might be interested in eye-balling some of 
these. An example is here:

   http://death2spam.net/docs/classifier.html

There are some very interesting "regional differences" emerging from
this analysis of the message classification data. And it's turning 
out that our "typical customer" is someone who averages ~65% spam in 
their inbox!!! <ouch>

Cheers,
Richard


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May  7 03:42:10 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May  7 05:42:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-725466 ] Include a proper locale fix
	in Options.py
Message-ID: <E19DLRC-00067A-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #725466, was opened at 2003-04-22 08:07
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by sgruendel
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Assigned to: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Summary: Include a proper locale fix in Options.py

Initial Comment:
When reading the options, the float() call fails when the 
locale is a language that uses a ',' for a separator 
instead of '.'.  This is hack-fixed in Outlook, but needs to 
be fixed in general.

I imagine that there must be some sort of locale call that 
will convert between the current locale and English, and 
that this should be called as the option is set.

Anyway, I'll get to this when I can.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-07 11:42

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The import works fine both in IDLE and PythonWin. I suspect 
the handling of floats is somehow broken by something 
loaded by Outlook or Python Windows Extensions. But then I 
don't really know enough about the architecture to make 
educated guesses ...

Anyway I wonder why float handling at this low level seems to 
be locale dependent? Parsing text and converting to float is 
ok to be locale depedent, but doing calculations?

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-07 01:37

Message:
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This makes me wonder if the locale just needs to be set, but 
that seems too heavy-handed and ugly, really.

What happens if you just execute
>>> import random
from the interpreter (e.g. in PythonWin or IDLE)?

I suspect that you'll get the same trace, in which case this 
really should be fixed in random.py, not in Spambayes 
(although it would be easy enough to throw together a hack 
for it).

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-06 16:18

Message:
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It seems like it's not enough to fix Options.py only. I did this 
and then got the following error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, args, 
None, None)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwargs, 
serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, dispid, lcid, 
wFlags, args, kwArgs, serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 
611, in OnConnection
    self.manager = manager.GetManager(application)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 335, in GetManager
    _mgr = BayesManager(outlook=outlook, verbose=verbose)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 79, in __init__
    import_core_spambayes_stuff(self.ini_filename)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 53, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
    from spambayes.tokenizer import tokenize
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes\tokenizer.py", 
line 7, in ?
    import email.Message
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Message.py", line 14, in ?
    from email import Utils
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Utils.py", line 10, in ?
    import random
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 93, in ?
    _verify('NV_MAGICCONST', NV_MAGICCONST, 
1.71552776992141)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 88, in _verify
    raise ValueError(
exceptions.ValueError: computed value for 
NV_MAGICCONST deviates too much (computed 2,82843, 
expected 1)



Obviously random.py uses ',' too!  I'm using german 
Windows/Outlook, if I can be of any help in testing, just drop 
me a mail.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-04-24 08:30

Message:
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Options.py now uses locale.atoi and locale.atof to convert 
options.  I *think* this will solve this problem, but I'm not 
100%.

If someone could do some testing, that would be great.  I'm 
leaving open until I'm sure it's done.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May  7 04:49:08 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May  7 06:49:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-725466 ] Include a proper locale fix
	in Options.py
Message-ID: <E19DMU0-0001Kd-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #725466, was opened at 2003-04-22 16:07
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Assigned to: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Summary: Include a proper locale fix in Options.py

Initial Comment:
When reading the options, the float() call fails when the 
locale is a language that uses a ',' for a separator 
instead of '.'.  This is hack-fixed in Outlook, but needs to 
be fixed in general.

I imagine that there must be some sort of locale call that 
will convert between the current locale and English, and 
that this should be called as the option is set.

Anyway, I'll get to this when I can.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-07 20:49

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What happens if you go into Pythonwin/IDLE, execute the
locale call mentioned, then import that module?

>>> import locale
>>> locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")


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Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-07 19:42

Message:
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The import works fine both in IDLE and PythonWin. I suspect 
the handling of floats is somehow broken by something 
loaded by Outlook or Python Windows Extensions. But then I 
don't really know enough about the architecture to make 
educated guesses ...

Anyway I wonder why float handling at this low level seems to 
be locale dependent? Parsing text and converting to float is 
ok to be locale depedent, but doing calculations?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-07 09:37

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

This makes me wonder if the locale just needs to be set, but 
that seems too heavy-handed and ugly, really.

What happens if you just execute
>>> import random
from the interpreter (e.g. in PythonWin or IDLE)?

I suspect that you'll get the same trace, in which case this 
really should be fixed in random.py, not in Spambayes 
(although it would be easy enough to throw together a hack 
for it).

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-07 00:18

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=671479

It seems like it's not enough to fix Options.py only. I did this 
and then got the following error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, args, 
None, None)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwargs, 
serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, dispid, lcid, 
wFlags, args, kwArgs, serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 
611, in OnConnection
    self.manager = manager.GetManager(application)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 335, in GetManager
    _mgr = BayesManager(outlook=outlook, verbose=verbose)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 79, in __init__
    import_core_spambayes_stuff(self.ini_filename)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 53, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
    from spambayes.tokenizer import tokenize
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes\tokenizer.py", 
line 7, in ?
    import email.Message
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Message.py", line 14, in ?
    from email import Utils
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Utils.py", line 10, in ?
    import random
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 93, in ?
    _verify('NV_MAGICCONST', NV_MAGICCONST, 
1.71552776992141)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 88, in _verify
    raise ValueError(
exceptions.ValueError: computed value for 
NV_MAGICCONST deviates too much (computed 2,82843, 
expected 1)



Obviously random.py uses ',' too!  I'm using german 
Windows/Outlook, if I can be of any help in testing, just drop 
me a mail.

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-04-24 16:30

Message:
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Options.py now uses locale.atoi and locale.atof to convert 
options.  I *think* this will solve this problem, but I'm not 
100%.

If someone could do some testing, that would be great.  I'm 
leaving open until I'm sure it's done.

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From David.Bear at asu.edu  Wed May  7 10:39:23 2003
From: David.Bear at asu.edu (David Bear)
Date: Wed May  7 12:40:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] train on form rather than content?
Message-ID: <20030507093923.C19674@asu.edu>

I receive some mail in outlook.  I forward a mime-digest selection of
outlook mail from outlook to may unix box running procmail/spambayes.
Funning thing is the it was incorrectly chosen as a false positive.
This, after I thought I'd trained the filter pretty well.  I assume
that spambayes would more likely mark something as 'unsure' rather
than just outright spam.  should I try to retrain?  or more precisely,
does the bayesian distrubution look also on 'form' and not just
content, ie does the mail contain lots of quotted-printable parts,
lots of html, lots of microsoft format garbage...?

-- 
David Bear
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fax: 	480-965-9189
College of Public Programs/ASU
Wilson Hall 232
Tempe, AZ 85287-0803
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From hanche at math.ntnu.no  Thu May  8 00:59:14 2003
From: hanche at math.ntnu.no (Harald Hanche-Olsen)
Date: Wed May  7 17:59:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (non-)spam count would go negative!
Message-ID: <20030507235914X.hanche@math.ntnu.no>

I am just getting started playing around with spambayes.  I have a
folder with about 16000 spam, plus various folders of non-spam (er,
ham you call it, about 20000 in all).  So I ran mboxtrain.py over the
whole collection.  Then I checked the result using hammie.py -u.  Of
course, in my spam folder I found a small handful of nonspam messages,
and in my nonspam folders I found a somewhat larger handful of spams.
So I moved these message to their rightful folders, deleted the
database, and retrained.  But this time, mboxtrain.py dies with a
message

  (non-)spam count would go negative!

when it gets across one of the reclassified messages.

After a look in the source code and a visit to the mailing list
archives, I guess I understand how this happened.  So now I am
steering away from mboxtrain and using hammie.py for the training
instead.  Is the notion of marking messages used for training with a
header line really well thought out?  From my limited experience with
this "feature", I would suggest not.

Otherwise I like what I see so far: I see 0.01% of hams incorrectly
labeled as spam, 0.3% of spams labeled ham, and somewhat less than 1%
of either category marked as unsure.  Not bad at all, I think.

- Harald

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May  8 12:18:33 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May  7 19:19:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] train on form rather than content?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181BDA5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> or more precisely, 
> does the bayesian distrubution look also on 'form' and not 
> just content, ie does the mail contain lots of 
> quotted-printable parts, lots of html, lots of microsoft 
> format garbage...?

If you're using Outlook, then I would *highly* recommend using the
Outlook plugin.  As one example of the benefits, you'd be able to select
a 'strangely classified' message and 'show clues' for it, so you could
see why it was classified as it was.

But, yes there are a lot of tokens generated from things other than the
words in the message.  If you want to know exactly what, take a look at
tokenizer.py (which also has a lot of interesting comments about why a
particular token is/isn't generated).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May  8 12:31:49 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May  7 19:33:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (non-)spam count would go negative!
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181BDBE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> So I moved these [incorrectly classified]
> message to their rightful folders, deleted the 
> database, and retrained.  But this time, mboxtrain.py dies 
> with a message
> 
>   (non-)spam count would go negative!
> 
> when it gets across one of the reclassified messages.

The reason this is happening is because mboxtrain recognises that you
have moved messages and tries to untrain before it does the new train.
There are two solutions to this:
  * Don't delete the database.  If you just move the messages and
retrain, mboxtrain will find the old header, realise that the
classication has changed, and do the appropriate unlearn/learn.
  * Delete the database and use the -f switch.  If you look in the doc
(-h), you'll see that this is for rebuilding from scratch.  Basically
this ignores the headers so that the appropriate untraining is not done.

> Is the notion of marking messages used 
> for training with a header line really well thought out?  
> From my limited experience with this "feature", I would suggest not.

It's really not a problem with marking them with a header line.  (On the
other hand, it could be a problem that the documentation isn't clear
enough about what should be done in this sort of situation).

However, there is a project at the moment to hold this sort of training
information in a database of it's own (for other reasons).  It's being
tested with pop3proxy and imapfilter at first, but the aim is that it
will eventually be used by mboxtrain/hammie/Outlook/everything else.

=Tony Meyer

From tdickenson at devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk  Thu May  8 10:25:10 2003
From: tdickenson at devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk (Toby Dickenson)
Date: Thu May  8 04:25:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (non-)spam count would go negative!
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181BDBE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181BDBE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <200305080925.10301.tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk>

On Thursday 08 May 2003 12:31 am, Meyer, Tony wrote:

> The reason this is happening is because mboxtrain recognises that you
> have moved messages and tries to untrain before it does the new train.

Unless I'm missing something, a further problem is that spammers could add 
this header to subvert the training process. Right?



From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May  8 11:45:56 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Thu May  8 13:46:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-725466 ] Include a proper locale fix
	in Options.py
Message-ID: <E19DpSu-00084P-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #725466, was opened at 2003-04-22 08:07
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by sgruendel
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=725466&group_id=61702

Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Assigned to: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Summary: Include a proper locale fix in Options.py

Initial Comment:
When reading the options, the float() call fails when the 
locale is a language that uses a ',' for a separator 
instead of '.'.  This is hack-fixed in Outlook, but needs to 
be fixed in general.

I imagine that there must be some sort of locale call that 
will convert between the current locale and English, and 
that this should be called as the option is set.

Anyway, I'll get to this when I can.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-08 19:45

Message:
Logged In: YES 
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>>> import locale
>>> locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")

'English_United States.1252'
>>> import random
>>> 

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-07 12:49

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

What happens if you go into Pythonwin/IDLE, execute the
locale call mentioned, then import that module?

>>> import locale
>>> locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-07 11:42

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=671479

The import works fine both in IDLE and PythonWin. I suspect 
the handling of floats is somehow broken by something 
loaded by Outlook or Python Windows Extensions. But then I 
don't really know enough about the architecture to make 
educated guesses ...

Anyway I wonder why float handling at this low level seems to 
be locale dependent? Parsing text and converting to float is 
ok to be locale depedent, but doing calculations?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-07 01:37

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

This makes me wonder if the locale just needs to be set, but 
that seems too heavy-handed and ugly, really.

What happens if you just execute
>>> import random
from the interpreter (e.g. in PythonWin or IDLE)?

I suspect that you'll get the same trace, in which case this 
really should be fixed in random.py, not in Spambayes 
(although it would be easy enough to throw together a hack 
for it).

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-06 16:18

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=671479

It seems like it's not enough to fix Options.py only. I did this 
and then got the following error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, args, 
None, None)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwargs, 
serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, dispid, lcid, 
wFlags, args, kwArgs, serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 
611, in OnConnection
    self.manager = manager.GetManager(application)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 335, in GetManager
    _mgr = BayesManager(outlook=outlook, verbose=verbose)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 79, in __init__
    import_core_spambayes_stuff(self.ini_filename)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 53, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
    from spambayes.tokenizer import tokenize
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes\tokenizer.py", 
line 7, in ?
    import email.Message
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Message.py", line 14, in ?
    from email import Utils
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Utils.py", line 10, in ?
    import random
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 93, in ?
    _verify('NV_MAGICCONST', NV_MAGICCONST, 
1.71552776992141)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 88, in _verify
    raise ValueError(
exceptions.ValueError: computed value for 
NV_MAGICCONST deviates too much (computed 2,82843, 
expected 1)



Obviously random.py uses ',' too!  I'm using german 
Windows/Outlook, if I can be of any help in testing, just drop 
me a mail.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-04-24 08:30

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Options.py now uses locale.atoi and locale.atof to convert 
options.  I *think* this will solve this problem, but I'm not 
100%.

If someone could do some testing, that would be great.  I'm 
leaving open until I'm sure it's done.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=725466&group_id=61702

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May  8 11:59:25 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Thu May  8 13:59:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-725466 ] Include a proper locale fix
	in Options.py
Message-ID: <E19Dpfx-0000e9-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #725466, was opened at 2003-04-22 08:07
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by sgruendel
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=725466&group_id=61702

Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Assigned to: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Summary: Include a proper locale fix in Options.py

Initial Comment:
When reading the options, the float() call fails when the 
locale is a language that uses a ',' for a separator 
instead of '.'.  This is hack-fixed in Outlook, but needs to 
be fixed in general.

I imagine that there must be some sort of locale call that 
will convert between the current locale and English, and 
that this should be called as the option is set.

Anyway, I'll get to this when I can.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-08 19:59

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=671479

Ok, I've got it working by setting the locale in the constructor 
of class BayesManager (manager.py):

[...]
        self.config_filename = config_base 
+ "_configuration.pck"

        print "locale: ", locale.getlocale()
        print "default locale: ", locale.getdefaultlocale()
        locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")

        # First read the configuration file.
[...]


Locale/default locale are both de_DE for me.


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-08 19:45

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=671479

>>> import locale
>>> locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")

'English_United States.1252'
>>> import random
>>> 

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-07 12:49

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

What happens if you go into Pythonwin/IDLE, execute the
locale call mentioned, then import that module?

>>> import locale
>>> locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-07 11:42

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=671479

The import works fine both in IDLE and PythonWin. I suspect 
the handling of floats is somehow broken by something 
loaded by Outlook or Python Windows Extensions. But then I 
don't really know enough about the architecture to make 
educated guesses ...

Anyway I wonder why float handling at this low level seems to 
be locale dependent? Parsing text and converting to float is 
ok to be locale depedent, but doing calculations?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-07 01:37

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

This makes me wonder if the locale just needs to be set, but 
that seems too heavy-handed and ugly, really.

What happens if you just execute
>>> import random
from the interpreter (e.g. in PythonWin or IDLE)?

I suspect that you'll get the same trace, in which case this 
really should be fixed in random.py, not in Spambayes 
(although it would be easy enough to throw together a hack 
for it).

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-06 16:18

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=671479

It seems like it's not enough to fix Options.py only. I did this 
and then got the following error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, args, 
None, None)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwargs, 
serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, dispid, lcid, 
wFlags, args, kwArgs, serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 
611, in OnConnection
    self.manager = manager.GetManager(application)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 335, in GetManager
    _mgr = BayesManager(outlook=outlook, verbose=verbose)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 79, in __init__
    import_core_spambayes_stuff(self.ini_filename)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 53, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
    from spambayes.tokenizer import tokenize
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes\tokenizer.py", 
line 7, in ?
    import email.Message
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Message.py", line 14, in ?
    from email import Utils
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Utils.py", line 10, in ?
    import random
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 93, in ?
    _verify('NV_MAGICCONST', NV_MAGICCONST, 
1.71552776992141)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 88, in _verify
    raise ValueError(
exceptions.ValueError: computed value for 
NV_MAGICCONST deviates too much (computed 2,82843, 
expected 1)



Obviously random.py uses ',' too!  I'm using german 
Windows/Outlook, if I can be of any help in testing, just drop 
me a mail.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-04-24 08:30

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Options.py now uses locale.atoi and locale.atof to convert 
options.  I *think* this will solve this problem, but I'm not 
100%.

If someone could do some testing, that would be great.  I'm 
leaving open until I'm sure it's done.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=725466&group_id=61702

From David.Bear at asu.edu  Thu May  8 15:54:36 2003
From: David.Bear at asu.edu (David Bear)
Date: Thu May  8 17:55:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] windows/outlook install
Message-ID: <20030508145436.B25834@asu.edu>

I first installed spambayes on my linux box -- using procmail
integration.  went smooth, though the install instructions were a bit
'more' than I wanted.. I found the setup.py script, which after
running made it all work well.  good job.  

Then I went to the windows machine, installed python 2.2 and mark
hammonds win32 extension.  The, ran the setup.py script there.  okay.
Then, from the outlook folder in the spambeyes package, ran that
addin.py .  The first thing I noticed was that the addin only affect
the outlook for the currently logged on user/profile.  I did this as
admin.  the logged back in as my standard user and, no new buttons on
the outlook bar.  So, I ran addin again.  viola.  spam buttons.
terrific.  I started the spam manager and configured the spam and
unsure folders.  Anything else I'm missing? (I'm trying to write step
by step install instructions for windows/outlook/exchange users)

-- 
David Bear
phone: 	480-965-8257
fax: 	480-965-9189
College of Public Programs/ASU
Wilson Hall 232
Tempe, AZ 85287-0803
 "Beware the IP portfolio, it will make criminals out of innovators"

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May  8 20:22:41 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Thu May  8 22:22:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-725466 ] Include a proper locale fix
	in Options.py
Message-ID: <E19DxWz-0001yE-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #725466, was opened at 2003-04-22 18:07
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by anadelonbrin
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=725466&group_id=61702

Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Assigned to: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Summary: Include a proper locale fix in Options.py

Initial Comment:
When reading the options, the float() call fails when the 
locale is a language that uses a ',' for a separator 
instead of '.'.  This is hack-fixed in Outlook, but needs to 
be fixed in general.

I imagine that there must be some sort of locale call that 
will convert between the current locale and English, and 
that this should be called as the option is set.

Anyway, I'll get to this when I can.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-09 14:22

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

What I don't understand is why I can't reproduce this error. If I 
make the same addition to manager.py, but use 'german'[1] 
as the locale, everything still works.  (It also still works if I 
make the change in addin.py where the other locale set is, 
and also if I change the locale to german in the windows 
control panel).

In addition, why does the import from PythonWin work?  
Surely this means (as mentioned) that something else that is 
imported is screwing up the locale setting before random gets 
imported - but then, shouldn't it do this on my machine, too?

Googling on this (NV_MAGICCONST) brings up lots of 
instances of the problem, but nothing in the way of a solution 
apart from setting the locale to 'en' or 'c' before the random 
import.  This really doesn't seem like the correct solution.

I really am tempted to try my luck with c.l.p for a solution, if 
there aren't any more ideas here.

[1] I can't set to "de_DE", I get a locale not supported 
error.  "german" does use ',' as the decimal separator, so it 
should be the same, though.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-09 05:59

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=671479

Ok, I've got it working by setting the locale in the constructor 
of class BayesManager (manager.py):

[...]
        self.config_filename = config_base 
+ "_configuration.pck"

        print "locale: ", locale.getlocale()
        print "default locale: ", locale.getdefaultlocale()
        locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")

        # First read the configuration file.
[...]


Locale/default locale are both de_DE for me.


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-09 05:45

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=671479

>>> import locale
>>> locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")

'English_United States.1252'
>>> import random
>>> 

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-07 22:49

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

What happens if you go into Pythonwin/IDLE, execute the
locale call mentioned, then import that module?

>>> import locale
>>> locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-07 21:42

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=671479

The import works fine both in IDLE and PythonWin. I suspect 
the handling of floats is somehow broken by something 
loaded by Outlook or Python Windows Extensions. But then I 
don't really know enough about the architecture to make 
educated guesses ...

Anyway I wonder why float handling at this low level seems to 
be locale dependent? Parsing text and converting to float is 
ok to be locale depedent, but doing calculations?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-07 11:37

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

This makes me wonder if the locale just needs to be set, but 
that seems too heavy-handed and ugly, really.

What happens if you just execute
>>> import random
from the interpreter (e.g. in PythonWin or IDLE)?

I suspect that you'll get the same trace, in which case this 
really should be fixed in random.py, not in Spambayes 
(although it would be easy enough to throw together a hack 
for it).

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-07 02:18

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=671479

It seems like it's not enough to fix Options.py only. I did this 
and then got the following error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, args, 
None, None)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwargs, 
serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, dispid, lcid, 
wFlags, args, kwArgs, serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 
611, in OnConnection
    self.manager = manager.GetManager(application)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 335, in GetManager
    _mgr = BayesManager(outlook=outlook, verbose=verbose)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 79, in __init__
    import_core_spambayes_stuff(self.ini_filename)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 53, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
    from spambayes.tokenizer import tokenize
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes\tokenizer.py", 
line 7, in ?
    import email.Message
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Message.py", line 14, in ?
    from email import Utils
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Utils.py", line 10, in ?
    import random
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 93, in ?
    _verify('NV_MAGICCONST', NV_MAGICCONST, 
1.71552776992141)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 88, in _verify
    raise ValueError(
exceptions.ValueError: computed value for 
NV_MAGICCONST deviates too much (computed 2,82843, 
expected 1)



Obviously random.py uses ',' too!  I'm using german 
Windows/Outlook, if I can be of any help in testing, just drop 
me a mail.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-04-24 18:30

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Options.py now uses locale.atoi and locale.atof to convert 
options.  I *think* this will solve this problem, but I'm not 
100%.

If someone could do some testing, that would be great.  I'm 
leaving open until I'm sure it's done.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=725466&group_id=61702

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May  8 21:15:40 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Thu May  8 23:16:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-725466 ] Include a proper locale fix
	in Options.py
Message-ID: <E19DyMG-0001Os-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #725466, was opened at 2003-04-22 18:07
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by anadelonbrin
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=725466&group_id=61702

Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Assigned to: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Summary: Include a proper locale fix in Options.py

Initial Comment:
When reading the options, the float() call fails when the 
locale is a language that uses a ',' for a separator 
instead of '.'.  This is hack-fixed in Outlook, but needs to 
be fixed in general.

I imagine that there must be some sort of locale call that 
will convert between the current locale and English, and 
that this should be called as the option is set.

Anyway, I'll get to this when I can.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-09 15:15

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Ok, forget that, I've found a way I can reproduce a similar 
error.

This is definately Outlook specific, and definately cannot be 
fixed in the spambayes code, except by changing the locale 
to 'en' or 'c', or something similar.

Ignoring spambayes completely, and using the demo outlook 
plugin that comes with the win32com extensions, I printed 
out the results of math.log(2).  This should be "0.69314718056
" and not "0,69314718056".  I made this print statement 
pretty much every second line.  When adding, it always gives 
the correct answer.  As soon as Outlook is started up, it 
gives the wrong answer.

It's beyond me whether this is something that the win32com 
stuff does (although importing the extensions doesn't cause 
it), or if it's something that Outlook does, somehow.  No 
doubt you can answer that, Mark?  ;)

Anyway, unless a change to the win32com stuff occurs, this 
will have to remain in the spambayes Outlook code.  (The 
options stuff is a separate problem, and my fix for that should 
work).  It doesn't need to be outside the Outlook code though.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-09 14:22

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

What I don't understand is why I can't reproduce this error. If I 
make the same addition to manager.py, but use 'german'[1] 
as the locale, everything still works.  (It also still works if I 
make the change in addin.py where the other locale set is, 
and also if I change the locale to german in the windows 
control panel).

In addition, why does the import from PythonWin work?  
Surely this means (as mentioned) that something else that is 
imported is screwing up the locale setting before random gets 
imported - but then, shouldn't it do this on my machine, too?

Googling on this (NV_MAGICCONST) brings up lots of 
instances of the problem, but nothing in the way of a solution 
apart from setting the locale to 'en' or 'c' before the random 
import.  This really doesn't seem like the correct solution.

I really am tempted to try my luck with c.l.p for a solution, if 
there aren't any more ideas here.

[1] I can't set to "de_DE", I get a locale not supported 
error.  "german" does use ',' as the decimal separator, so it 
should be the same, though.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-09 05:59

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=671479

Ok, I've got it working by setting the locale in the constructor 
of class BayesManager (manager.py):

[...]
        self.config_filename = config_base 
+ "_configuration.pck"

        print "locale: ", locale.getlocale()
        print "default locale: ", locale.getdefaultlocale()
        locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")

        # First read the configuration file.
[...]


Locale/default locale are both de_DE for me.


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-09 05:45

Message:
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>>> import locale
>>> locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")

'English_United States.1252'
>>> import random
>>> 

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-07 22:49

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

What happens if you go into Pythonwin/IDLE, execute the
locale call mentioned, then import that module?

>>> import locale
>>> locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")


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Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-07 21:42

Message:
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The import works fine both in IDLE and PythonWin. I suspect 
the handling of floats is somehow broken by something 
loaded by Outlook or Python Windows Extensions. But then I 
don't really know enough about the architecture to make 
educated guesses ...

Anyway I wonder why float handling at this low level seems to 
be locale dependent? Parsing text and converting to float is 
ok to be locale depedent, but doing calculations?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-07 11:37

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

This makes me wonder if the locale just needs to be set, but 
that seems too heavy-handed and ugly, really.

What happens if you just execute
>>> import random
from the interpreter (e.g. in PythonWin or IDLE)?

I suspect that you'll get the same trace, in which case this 
really should be fixed in random.py, not in Spambayes 
(although it would be easy enough to throw together a hack 
for it).

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-07 02:18

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=671479

It seems like it's not enough to fix Options.py only. I did this 
and then got the following error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, args, 
None, None)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwargs, 
serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, dispid, lcid, 
wFlags, args, kwArgs, serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 
611, in OnConnection
    self.manager = manager.GetManager(application)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 335, in GetManager
    _mgr = BayesManager(outlook=outlook, verbose=verbose)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 79, in __init__
    import_core_spambayes_stuff(self.ini_filename)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 53, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
    from spambayes.tokenizer import tokenize
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes\tokenizer.py", 
line 7, in ?
    import email.Message
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Message.py", line 14, in ?
    from email import Utils
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Utils.py", line 10, in ?
    import random
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 93, in ?
    _verify('NV_MAGICCONST', NV_MAGICCONST, 
1.71552776992141)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 88, in _verify
    raise ValueError(
exceptions.ValueError: computed value for 
NV_MAGICCONST deviates too much (computed 2,82843, 
expected 1)



Obviously random.py uses ',' too!  I'm using german 
Windows/Outlook, if I can be of any help in testing, just drop 
me a mail.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-04-24 18:30

Message:
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Options.py now uses locale.atoi and locale.atof to convert 
options.  I *think* this will solve this problem, but I'm not 
100%.

If someone could do some testing, that would be great.  I'm 
leaving open until I'm sure it's done.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May  8 21:23:20 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Thu May  8 23:23:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-725466 ] Include a proper locale fix
	in Options.py
Message-ID: <E19DyTg-0001ed-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #725466, was opened at 2003-04-22 18:07
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by anadelonbrin
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Assigned to: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Summary: Include a proper locale fix in Options.py

Initial Comment:
When reading the options, the float() call fails when the 
locale is a language that uses a ',' for a separator 
instead of '.'.  This is hack-fixed in Outlook, but needs to 
be fixed in general.

I imagine that there must be some sort of locale call that 
will convert between the current locale and English, and 
that this should be called as the option is set.

Anyway, I'll get to this when I can.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-09 15:23

Message:
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Ok, I did more digging.  The locale set in addin.py isn't 
enough.  This line in msgstore.py screws up the locale:
        self.session = mapi.MAPILogonEx(0, None, None, 
logonFlags)
(it's in the __init__ of MAPIMsgStore; my line numbers are all 
screwed up).

(by 'screws up the locale', I mean that math.log(2) returns a 
number with a '.' decimal separator before it, and a ',' decimal 
separator afterwards).

I'll leave it to Mark to figure out what should be done.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-09 15:15

Message:
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Ok, forget that, I've found a way I can reproduce a similar 
error.

This is definately Outlook specific, and definately cannot be 
fixed in the spambayes code, except by changing the locale 
to 'en' or 'c', or something similar.

Ignoring spambayes completely, and using the demo outlook 
plugin that comes with the win32com extensions, I printed 
out the results of math.log(2).  This should be "0.69314718056
" and not "0,69314718056".  I made this print statement 
pretty much every second line.  When adding, it always gives 
the correct answer.  As soon as Outlook is started up, it 
gives the wrong answer.

It's beyond me whether this is something that the win32com 
stuff does (although importing the extensions doesn't cause 
it), or if it's something that Outlook does, somehow.  No 
doubt you can answer that, Mark?  ;)

Anyway, unless a change to the win32com stuff occurs, this 
will have to remain in the spambayes Outlook code.  (The 
options stuff is a separate problem, and my fix for that should 
work).  It doesn't need to be outside the Outlook code though.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-09 14:22

Message:
Logged In: YES 
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What I don't understand is why I can't reproduce this error. If I 
make the same addition to manager.py, but use 'german'[1] 
as the locale, everything still works.  (It also still works if I 
make the change in addin.py where the other locale set is, 
and also if I change the locale to german in the windows 
control panel).

In addition, why does the import from PythonWin work?  
Surely this means (as mentioned) that something else that is 
imported is screwing up the locale setting before random gets 
imported - but then, shouldn't it do this on my machine, too?

Googling on this (NV_MAGICCONST) brings up lots of 
instances of the problem, but nothing in the way of a solution 
apart from setting the locale to 'en' or 'c' before the random 
import.  This really doesn't seem like the correct solution.

I really am tempted to try my luck with c.l.p for a solution, if 
there aren't any more ideas here.

[1] I can't set to "de_DE", I get a locale not supported 
error.  "german" does use ',' as the decimal separator, so it 
should be the same, though.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-09 05:59

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=671479

Ok, I've got it working by setting the locale in the constructor 
of class BayesManager (manager.py):

[...]
        self.config_filename = config_base 
+ "_configuration.pck"

        print "locale: ", locale.getlocale()
        print "default locale: ", locale.getdefaultlocale()
        locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")

        # First read the configuration file.
[...]


Locale/default locale are both de_DE for me.


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-09 05:45

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=671479

>>> import locale
>>> locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")

'English_United States.1252'
>>> import random
>>> 

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-07 22:49

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

What happens if you go into Pythonwin/IDLE, execute the
locale call mentioned, then import that module?

>>> import locale
>>> locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-07 21:42

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=671479

The import works fine both in IDLE and PythonWin. I suspect 
the handling of floats is somehow broken by something 
loaded by Outlook or Python Windows Extensions. But then I 
don't really know enough about the architecture to make 
educated guesses ...

Anyway I wonder why float handling at this low level seems to 
be locale dependent? Parsing text and converting to float is 
ok to be locale depedent, but doing calculations?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-07 11:37

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

This makes me wonder if the locale just needs to be set, but 
that seems too heavy-handed and ugly, really.

What happens if you just execute
>>> import random
from the interpreter (e.g. in PythonWin or IDLE)?

I suspect that you'll get the same trace, in which case this 
really should be fixed in random.py, not in Spambayes 
(although it would be easy enough to throw together a hack 
for it).

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-07 02:18

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=671479

It seems like it's not enough to fix Options.py only. I did this 
and then got the following error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, args, 
None, None)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwargs, 
serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, dispid, lcid, 
wFlags, args, kwArgs, serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 
611, in OnConnection
    self.manager = manager.GetManager(application)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 335, in GetManager
    _mgr = BayesManager(outlook=outlook, verbose=verbose)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 79, in __init__
    import_core_spambayes_stuff(self.ini_filename)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 53, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
    from spambayes.tokenizer import tokenize
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes\tokenizer.py", 
line 7, in ?
    import email.Message
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Message.py", line 14, in ?
    from email import Utils
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Utils.py", line 10, in ?
    import random
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 93, in ?
    _verify('NV_MAGICCONST', NV_MAGICCONST, 
1.71552776992141)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 88, in _verify
    raise ValueError(
exceptions.ValueError: computed value for 
NV_MAGICCONST deviates too much (computed 2,82843, 
expected 1)



Obviously random.py uses ',' too!  I'm using german 
Windows/Outlook, if I can be of any help in testing, just drop 
me a mail.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-04-24 18:30

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Options.py now uses locale.atoi and locale.atof to convert 
options.  I *think* this will solve this problem, but I'm not 
100%.

If someone could do some testing, that would be great.  I'm 
leaving open until I'm sure it's done.

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You can respond by visiting: 
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From trebor at animeigo.com  Fri May  9 07:12:08 2003
From: trebor at animeigo.com (Robert Woodhead)
Date: Fri May  9 09:36:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] 6.0 of Eudora has bayesian.
In-Reply-To: <1052454770.6659.25.camel@gary>
References: <20030505154457.89211.qmail@mail.archub.org>
	<1052454770.6659.25.camel@gary>
Message-ID: <a06001207bae12db9168d@[192.168.1.101]>

Just a headsup, the new 6.0beta of Eudora has bayesian filtering 
built in, and it looks fairly impressive.

False positives so far (out of perhaps 500 emails):

1) first email from paypal ('you've got cash').  Told the filter it 
wasn't junk, problem over.

2) a very short email from someone asking if he'd been scammed by one 
of these makemoneyfast sites.

Both of these floated to the top of the junk mailbox due to secondary 
filtering using my TOLD filter tags, so they were easy to pick out. 
It comes pretrained but learns quickly, apparently.

http://www.eudora.com/betas/ for those inclined to play.

-- 

===========================================================
Robert Woodhead, CEO, AnimEigo     http://www.animeigo.com/
===========================================================
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SHARESERVICE.  A power tool for power webmasters.

From bernadotte at gmx.de  Fri May  9 17:00:22 2003
From: bernadotte at gmx.de (bernadotte)
Date: Fri May  9 10:17:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] installation problems
Message-ID: <DCMH2ZUB7UTIDLG4XTKGNJLINKQPUS.3ebbb476@berni>

hi guys,
i feel a little ashamed to write you, but after 2 day trying everything, i give up !  found nothing helpful on the mentioned website or somewhere else 
in the web about it

 i downloaded and installed:
http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.3/Python-2.3b1.exe
http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/downloads/win32all-153.exe
http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/downloads/SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-002.exe

 my system is win xp 5.1.2600 german running outlook 2002, version 10.0

the requierements for spambayes were a little confusing for me, so i think it?s supposed for python experts, which i?m not (got no idea what it is, 
anyway i like it ! ;-) )
installing the outlook add-in produces the following error-box:
c:programme\spambayes outlook addin\spambayes_addin.dll
unable to register the dll/ocx:dllregisterserver failed; code 0x00000000

trying to load the dll from inside outlook, stoped with a warning to close down outlook. with a look at the additional infos, there was mentioned 
python23.dll.

there can no spambayes log-file be found on the system.

hoping that this is a more frequent problem and not just mine

greetz 
bernd






From hanche at math.ntnu.no  Sat May 10 15:45:28 2003
From: hanche at math.ntnu.no (Harald Hanche-Olsen)
Date: Sat May 10 08:45:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (non-)spam count would go negative!
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181BDBE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181BDBE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <20030510144528F.hanche@math.ntnu.no>

+ "Meyer, Tony" <T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz>:

| >   (non-)spam count would go negative!
| > 
| > when it gets across one of the reclassified messages.
| 
| The reason this is happening is because mboxtrain recognises that you
| have moved messages and tries to untrain before it does the new train.

[...]

| (On the other hand, it could be a problem that the documentation
| isn't clear enough about what should be done in this sort of
| situation).

Definitely a problem with the documentation, then.  Of course that is
to be expected from software that is still under development, so I'm
not complaining.

This all happened because I have my mail in MH folders (my MUA of
choice is Mew), and as I could not find out how hammie could read MH
folders (but have found out since, from digging deeper into the
sources), I decided to go with mboxtrain instead, not realizing the
difference between mboxtrain and the training mode of hammie.  All of
which provides a nice little usability lesson, but does not detract
from the technical qualities of the software.

I hope my grumpy tone did not offend anyone.  It had been a bad day.
But already, spambayes is improving my life and mood considerably!
Thanks guys.

Oh, and by the way, having mboxtrain poke at all the messages in my MH
folders meant the following incremental backup was suddenly faced with
about 24000 changed files, which I'm sure made me really popular with
the backup manager.  (I haven't dared ask.  8-)

- Harald

From hanche at math.ntnu.no  Sat May 10 15:54:57 2003
From: hanche at math.ntnu.no (Harald Hanche-Olsen)
Date: Sat May 10 08:55:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Header cropping
Message-ID: <20030510145457A.hanche@math.ntnu.no>

I found the following message in my unsure folder today.

  X-Spambayes-Classification: unsure; 0.86


  This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

  --3A._5F.64A._C_D.DE._AE--

  This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

  --3A._5F.64A._C_D.DE._AE--

Yes, that is the entire message, headers and all (I just indented it
for your reading pleasure).

According to the logs, the message was 1310 bytes long when it
arrived.  At the very least, there should be a couple Received headers
as well as Delivered-To headers in there.  Also, the log shows there
was a Message-Id header.  The envelope sender (from the log) strongly
indicates it was indeed spam, so I don't regret the loss of this
particular message.  But I find it somewhat alarming.

I assume the problem arose because of some malformed header.  But
malformed headers sometimes occur in ham mail too, and I'd still like
to receive these messages without further damage.

Any thoughts?

- Harald

PS.  My spambayes source is from CVS as of last Wednesday.

From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com  Sat May 10 09:10:54 2003
From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone - Four Stones Expressions)
Date: Sat May 10 09:11:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Header cropping
In-Reply-To: <20030510145457A.hanche@math.ntnu.no>
Message-ID: <FDGFGCTPQMRQXRPL32IHTOLJJIUP4XC0.3ebcfa5e@myst>

5/10/2003 7:54:57 AM, Harald Hanche-Olsen <hanche@math.ntnu.no> wrote:

>Any thoughts?

Are you using the outlook plugin, pop3proxy, imapfilter, mboxtrain, or hammie?

c'est moi - TimS
http://www.fourstonesExpressions.com
http://wecanstopspam.org

There are 10 kinds of people in the world:
  those who understand binary,
  and those who don't.



From hanche at math.ntnu.no  Sat May 10 20:03:40 2003
From: hanche at math.ntnu.no (Harald Hanche-Olsen)
Date: Sat May 10 13:11:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Header cropping
In-Reply-To: <FDGFGCTPQMRQXRPL32IHTOLJJIUP4XC0.3ebcfa5e@myst>
References: <20030510145457A.hanche@math.ntnu.no>
	<FDGFGCTPQMRQXRPL32IHTOLJJIUP4XC0.3ebcfa5e@myst>
Message-ID: <20030510190340Y.hanche@math.ntnu.no>

+ Tim Stone - Four Stones Expressions <tim@fourstonesExpressions.com>:

| 5/10/2003 7:54:57 AM, Harald Hanche-Olsen <hanche@math.ntnu.no> wrote:
| 
| >Any thoughts?
| 
| Are you using the outlook plugin, pop3proxy, imapfilter, mboxtrain, or hammie?

Hammie.  Sorry, I should have said.

- Harald

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sat May 10 12:35:18 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sat May 10 14:35:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-725466 ] Include a proper locale fix
	in Options.py
Message-ID: <E19EZBm-0001HF-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #725466, was opened at 2003-04-22 16:07
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by mhammond
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
>Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Include a proper locale fix in Options.py

Initial Comment:
When reading the options, the float() call fails when the 
locale is a language that uses a ',' for a separator 
instead of '.'.  This is hack-fixed in Outlook, but needs to 
be fixed in general.

I imagine that there must be some sort of locale call that 
will convert between the current locale and English, and 
that this should be called as the option is set.

Anyway, I'll get to this when I can.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-11 04:35

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Damn.  IIRC, MAPI also changes the cwd.  I guess the
solution may be the same - check the locale before setting,
and reset explicitly afterwards.  It would be great if you
can check this while you are still setup to test, but
otherwise it can stay on my todo list :)

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-09 13:23

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Ok, I did more digging.  The locale set in addin.py isn't 
enough.  This line in msgstore.py screws up the locale:
        self.session = mapi.MAPILogonEx(0, None, None, 
logonFlags)
(it's in the __init__ of MAPIMsgStore; my line numbers are all 
screwed up).

(by 'screws up the locale', I mean that math.log(2) returns a 
number with a '.' decimal separator before it, and a ',' decimal 
separator afterwards).

I'll leave it to Mark to figure out what should be done.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-09 13:15

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Ok, forget that, I've found a way I can reproduce a similar 
error.

This is definately Outlook specific, and definately cannot be 
fixed in the spambayes code, except by changing the locale 
to 'en' or 'c', or something similar.

Ignoring spambayes completely, and using the demo outlook 
plugin that comes with the win32com extensions, I printed 
out the results of math.log(2).  This should be "0.69314718056
" and not "0,69314718056".  I made this print statement 
pretty much every second line.  When adding, it always gives 
the correct answer.  As soon as Outlook is started up, it 
gives the wrong answer.

It's beyond me whether this is something that the win32com 
stuff does (although importing the extensions doesn't cause 
it), or if it's something that Outlook does, somehow.  No 
doubt you can answer that, Mark?  ;)

Anyway, unless a change to the win32com stuff occurs, this 
will have to remain in the spambayes Outlook code.  (The 
options stuff is a separate problem, and my fix for that should 
work).  It doesn't need to be outside the Outlook code though.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-09 12:22

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

What I don't understand is why I can't reproduce this error. If I 
make the same addition to manager.py, but use 'german'[1] 
as the locale, everything still works.  (It also still works if I 
make the change in addin.py where the other locale set is, 
and also if I change the locale to german in the windows 
control panel).

In addition, why does the import from PythonWin work?  
Surely this means (as mentioned) that something else that is 
imported is screwing up the locale setting before random gets 
imported - but then, shouldn't it do this on my machine, too?

Googling on this (NV_MAGICCONST) brings up lots of 
instances of the problem, but nothing in the way of a solution 
apart from setting the locale to 'en' or 'c' before the random 
import.  This really doesn't seem like the correct solution.

I really am tempted to try my luck with c.l.p for a solution, if 
there aren't any more ideas here.

[1] I can't set to "de_DE", I get a locale not supported 
error.  "german" does use ',' as the decimal separator, so it 
should be the same, though.

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Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-09 03:59

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Ok, I've got it working by setting the locale in the constructor 
of class BayesManager (manager.py):

[...]
        self.config_filename = config_base 
+ "_configuration.pck"

        print "locale: ", locale.getlocale()
        print "default locale: ", locale.getdefaultlocale()
        locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")

        # First read the configuration file.
[...]


Locale/default locale are both de_DE for me.


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Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-09 03:45

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>>> import locale
>>> locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")

'English_United States.1252'
>>> import random
>>> 

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-07 20:49

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What happens if you go into Pythonwin/IDLE, execute the
locale call mentioned, then import that module?

>>> import locale
>>> locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")


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Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-07 19:42

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The import works fine both in IDLE and PythonWin. I suspect 
the handling of floats is somehow broken by something 
loaded by Outlook or Python Windows Extensions. But then I 
don't really know enough about the architecture to make 
educated guesses ...

Anyway I wonder why float handling at this low level seems to 
be locale dependent? Parsing text and converting to float is 
ok to be locale depedent, but doing calculations?

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-07 09:37

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This makes me wonder if the locale just needs to be set, but 
that seems too heavy-handed and ugly, really.

What happens if you just execute
>>> import random
from the interpreter (e.g. in PythonWin or IDLE)?

I suspect that you'll get the same trace, in which case this 
really should be fixed in random.py, not in Spambayes 
(although it would be easy enough to throw together a hack 
for it).

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Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-07 00:18

Message:
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It seems like it's not enough to fix Options.py only. I did this 
and then got the following error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, args, 
None, None)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwargs, 
serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, dispid, lcid, 
wFlags, args, kwArgs, serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 
611, in OnConnection
    self.manager = manager.GetManager(application)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 335, in GetManager
    _mgr = BayesManager(outlook=outlook, verbose=verbose)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 79, in __init__
    import_core_spambayes_stuff(self.ini_filename)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 53, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
    from spambayes.tokenizer import tokenize
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes\tokenizer.py", 
line 7, in ?
    import email.Message
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Message.py", line 14, in ?
    from email import Utils
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Utils.py", line 10, in ?
    import random
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 93, in ?
    _verify('NV_MAGICCONST', NV_MAGICCONST, 
1.71552776992141)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 88, in _verify
    raise ValueError(
exceptions.ValueError: computed value for 
NV_MAGICCONST deviates too much (computed 2,82843, 
expected 1)



Obviously random.py uses ',' too!  I'm using german 
Windows/Outlook, if I can be of any help in testing, just drop 
me a mail.

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-04-24 16:30

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Options.py now uses locale.atoi and locale.atof to convert 
options.  I *think* this will solve this problem, but I'm not 
100%.

If someone could do some testing, that would be great.  I'm 
leaving open until I'm sure it's done.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sat May 10 14:03:40 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sat May 10 16:03:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-735805 ] No item in Outlook XP
	standard toolbar after install
Message-ID: <E19EaZI-0006xz-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #735805, was opened at 2003-05-10 16:03
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Scott Sanders (giveuptheghost)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: No item in Outlook XP standard toolbar after install

Initial Comment:
I just installed SpamBayes Outlook Addin 002 for my 
Outlook XP.

When I ran Outlook, the "Anti-Spam item" is not in the 
Standard toolbar.

I've run it three times, and I've included the second log 
file, the most verbose one.

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From nick at kirsch.org  Sat May 10 16:35:14 2003
From: nick at kirsch.org (Nicholas M. Kirsch)
Date: Sat May 10 19:45:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Debian maintainer
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305101534390.1444-100000@snoopy.nick.org>

Do you currently have any Debian packages or a know of a Debian maintainer
for SpamBayes? If not, I was thinking that I would like to give it a shot.

Thanks.

Nick


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sat May 10 19:05:34 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sat May 10 21:05:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-735805 ] No item in Outlook XP
	standard toolbar after install
Message-ID: <E19EfHS-0008BK-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #735805, was opened at 2003-05-10 16:03
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Scott Sanders (giveuptheghost)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: No item in Outlook XP standard toolbar after install

Initial Comment:
I just installed SpamBayes Outlook Addin 002 for my 
Outlook XP.

When I ran Outlook, the "Anti-Spam item" is not in the 
Standard toolbar.

I've run it three times, and I've included the second log 
file, the most verbose one.

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>Comment By: Scott Sanders (giveuptheghost)
Date: 2003-05-10 21:05

Message:
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Well, I can see the "Anti-Spam Item" now. Note that I am
still in the third session of Outlook since installing the
SpamBayes addin, and my original post was at the beginning
of this session. Thus, the "Anti-Spam Item" has "magically
appeared."

I've seen this happen before with other addins, such as
SpamSource and SpamNet, and on my other system, which run
Win98 and Outlook 2000. I currently use SpamSource with my
Outlook XP and had once used SpamNet (until they started
charging for it).

I've enclosed this session's log file, in case it will help
with other cases. Note that I trained it once I noticed the
"Anti-Spam Item" in the toolbar.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sat May 10 19:06:58 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sat May 10 21:07:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-735805 ] No item in Outlook XP
	standard toolbar after install
Message-ID: <E19EfIo-0008Dj-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #735805, was opened at 2003-05-10 16:03
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Closed
>Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Scott Sanders (giveuptheghost)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: No item in Outlook XP standard toolbar after install

Initial Comment:
I just installed SpamBayes Outlook Addin 002 for my 
Outlook XP.

When I ran Outlook, the "Anti-Spam item" is not in the 
Standard toolbar.

I've run it three times, and I've included the second log 
file, the most verbose one.

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Comment By: Scott Sanders (giveuptheghost)
Date: 2003-05-10 21:05

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=184281

Well, I can see the "Anti-Spam Item" now. Note that I am
still in the third session of Outlook since installing the
SpamBayes addin, and my original post was at the beginning
of this session. Thus, the "Anti-Spam Item" has "magically
appeared."

I've seen this happen before with other addins, such as
SpamSource and SpamNet, and on my other system, which run
Win98 and Outlook 2000. I currently use SpamSource with my
Outlook XP and had once used SpamNet (until they started
charging for it).

I've enclosed this session's log file, in case it will help
with other cases. Note that I trained it once I noticed the
"Anti-Spam Item" in the toolbar.

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon May 12 12:33:41 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun May 11 19:34:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] installation problems
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181C504@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I feel a little ashamed to write you, but after 2 day trying 
> everything, I give up !

We're here to help, no need for feeling ashamed ;)

> I downloaded and installed: 
> [Python 2.3b1]
> [win32all-153]
> [Spambayes-Outlook-Setup-002]

It's not going to hurt having these, but the only one that you require
is the last one.  The Outlook plugin (binary) will run without Python
installed (more accurately, I gather it installs the bits of Python that
are needed to run it).

> my system is win xp 5.1.2600 german running outlook 2002, version 10.0

It's hard to tell, since there isn't a lot of information, but I wonder
whether the problem might be that it's German.  There are issues with
languages that use something apart from a period ('.') as a decimal
separator (ie. a half is not 0.5, but 0,5).

(Discussion of this is in [ spambayes-Bugs-725466 ] Include a proper
locale fix in Options.py).

It appears that Outlook fiddles with the locale settings.  Either Mark
or I will check in a fix to this shortly.  However, this would mean that
you would have to use the cvs version, since the fix won't, obviously,
be in 002.  You could try getting the cvs code (since you have Python
installed already), and using that (you run addin.py to install the
plugin).

> installing the outlook add-in produces the following
> error-box: c:programme\spambayes outlook addin\spambayes_addin.dll
> unable to register the dll/ocx:dllregisterserver failed;
> code 0x00000000

This, however, doesn't sound like it's the locale problem.  Mark would
have a better idea than I would about what it might be - you could try
submitting a bug report via sf (http://sf.net/projects/spambayes), even
though you don't have a log.

The easiest way around this would certainly be to try using the cvs code
- it would probably result in more detailed error messages as well.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon May 12 12:44:21 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun May 11 19:45:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Header cropping
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181C522@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I found the following message in my unsure folder today.
> 
[short message cut]
> 
> Yes, that is the entire message, headers and all (I just 
> indented it for your reading pleasure).
> 
> According to the logs, the message was 1310 bytes long when 
> it arrived.
> I assume the problem arose because of some malformed header.  
> But malformed headers sometimes occur in ham mail too, and 
> I'd still like to receive these messages without further damage.

It's most likely that this is the reason that it happened.  In
mboxutils.py, when getting a message, if the email parser raises a
parsing error, it tries to cut the headers off, and set the payload of
the message to whatever is left.  When the payload is multipart, it's
not all that surprising that this fails.

I don't know enough about how hammie works to suggest (let alone code) a
solution.  Perhaps what should be done is that if parsing fails, the
message is just left alone, unaltered? [1]  Or maybe moved into a
"problematic messages" directory?

Thoughts?

=Tony Meyer

[1] The problem here, of course, is that this would mean that to get
past spambayes, all you have to do is send a message that fails to
parse.

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon May 12 12:47:26 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun May 11 19:48:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (non-)spam count would go negative!
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181C52E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Unless I'm missing something, a further problem is that 
> spammers could add this header to subvert the training
> process. Right?

I thought that there was code to get rid of these, but I can't find it.
If there isn't, then yes this could happen.  However:
  * It's only training, not classification, since the classification
headers are definitely ignored if already present.
  * The new message module does remove all existing spambayes headers,
so all the apps that use that would be safe.  At the moment this is only
imapfilter (unless also pop3proxy; I can't recall), but the idea is that
all apps will use it eventually.  (Although some, like the Outlook
plugin, don't touch the headers, so won't use that bit).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon May 12 12:48:11 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun May 11 19:48:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (non-)spam count would go negative!
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181C531@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Definitely a problem with the documentation, then.  Of course 
> that is to be expected from software that is still under 
> development, so I'm not complaining.

I'll take a look at the documentation (I've been meaning to do that
anyway) and see if I can clear it up.  The main trouble is that since I
only use pop3proxy, imapfilter and the Outlook plugin, those are the
ones that I can most easily document.  I'll try and find unclear bits
and plead with the list to provide clearer instructions ;)

> I hope my grumpy tone did not offend anyone.

It certainly didn't offend me, anyway :)

=Tony Meyer

From mail at peterbe.com  Mon May 12 02:53:21 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Sun May 11 21:31:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How many is enough?
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030512015036.02010fe0@localhost>

I've read the pages at http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ now and concluded 
that you should train your database, but not too much.
What I fail to find is some numbers for this. Are we talking about hundreds 
or thousands or millions?
I've trained my database with 3000 ham and only 50 spam. That was basically 
all I had available in my email client at the moment.

So, how much should I train before I run the risk of overdoing it?

Peter

PS. Not on the mailinglist


From ejb at ql.org  Sun May 11 22:41:54 2003
From: ejb at ql.org (Jay Berkenbilt)
Date: Sun May 11 21:42:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamAssassin's Bayes/SpamBayes: cross-pollination?
Message-ID: <200305120141.h4C1fsYB016277@soup.in.ql.org>


I notice that recent versions of SpamAssassin have a Bayesian
filtering engine.  There is an option in SpamAssassin 2.53 (and
perhaps 2.50 and later) called bayes_use_chi2_combining which
presumably enables the same chi-squared algorithm described in the
"background" page from spambayes.sourceforge.net.  From a quick
perusal of the code, it also seems to do some form of smarter
tokenizing than the original Graham paper describes (with or without
the bayes_use_chi2_combining option).

My question: Is there any discussion going on between SpamBayes and
SpamAssassin in terms of refinement of tokenizing or other algorithms?
Are the two projects moving in the same direction, or solving the same
problem in different ways?

Naturally, SpamAssassin uses the results of the Bayesian filtering to
increase or decrease the overall spam score, so it becomes just one
tool of many to help with the overall process, and SpamBayes includes
things like the POP and IMAP proxy and web-based training interfaces
that are not present in SpamAssassin, but these are, in my opinion,
not substantive differences in how they solve the underlying problem.

I've been using a combination SpamBayes (from CVS) and SpamAssassin
version 2.43 (without Bayesian filtering) for several weeks.  I
basically use the two filters together to help with initial
classification and use a moderately elaborate procmail setup and
several home-grown scripts to sort everything in different ways based
on the combined results of the various filters.  (For example,
messages that both filters think are spam are filed differently from
messages that only one thinks is spam, and messages are only
classified as "unsure" of SpamBayes says unsure and SpamAssassin
scored the message below the spam threshold.)  I also have my own
system of expiring old messages and keeping my SPAM and HAM training
sets the same size.  (I had them both set at 600, though I've recently
upped them to 1500.)  Using this combined approach, I've been getting
consistently about 99% correct classification.  In my last 1500
messages, I have had zero false negatives and zero false positives on
any messages that both SpamAssassin and SpamBayes have agreed were
spam.

I'm just interested in anyone else's thoughts on this issue, and
I'm particularly curious, as the subject suggests, about whether
there's any discussion or sharing of people between the two efforts.

Thanks for a great tool.  Also, if anyone is interested in more
details about my setup, I'd be happy to share them.

-- 
Jay Berkenbilt <ejb@ql.org>
http://www.ql.org/q/


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon May 12 14:41:45 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun May 11 21:42:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How many is enough?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181C5E1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I've read the pages at http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ now 
> and concluded that you should train your database, but not too much.
> What I fail to find is some numbers for this. Are we talking 
> about hundreds or thousands or millions?
> I've trained my database with 3000 ham and only 50 spam. That 
> was basically all I had available in my email client at the moment.
> So, how much should I train before I run the risk of overdoing it?

The more you train, the better, in general.  However:
  * If you have many more of ham/spam than spam/ham, this can be bad.
    (however, if you enable the experimental_ham_spam_imbalance option,
    this shouldn't matter as much, although it hasn't been tested as
    much as it could be).
  * 50 spam is fairly low.  It wouldn't be that surprising to get some
    incorrect results with that few, but it should still do a reasonable
    job.

>From my experience, I would say that you should have a couple of hundred
of each to get acceptable results (I only use a corpus of about 400 each
in Outlook).  If you have thousands, then you'll probably get more
accurate results, but I imagine that the utility of adding another
message to the corpus gets lower as the corpus gets bigger.

IIRC, if you look through the archives there's a post that has a
reference to a webpage that has graphs for different corpus sizes.  That
might be of interest.

=Tony Meyer

From anthony at interlink.com.au  Mon May 12 13:01:44 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Sun May 11 22:02:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Debian maintainer 
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305101534390.1444-100000@snoopy.nick.org> 
Message-ID: <200305120201.h4C21iS23579@localhost.localdomain>


>>> "Nicholas M. Kirsch" wrote
> Do you currently have any Debian packages or a know of a Debian maintainer
> for SpamBayes? If not, I was thinking that I would like to give it a shot.

Not that I'm aware of -- go for it!

Anthony

-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From anthony at interlink.com.au  Mon May 12 13:03:50 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Sun May 11 22:04:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How many is enough? 
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181C5E1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <200305120203.h4C23oY23621@localhost.localdomain>



> The more you train, the better, in general.  However:
>   * If you have many more of ham/spam than spam/ham, this can be bad.
>     (however, if you enable the experimental_ham_spam_imbalance option,
>     this shouldn't matter as much, although it hasn't been tested as
>     much as it could be).
>   * 50 spam is fairly low.  It wouldn't be that surprising to get some
>     incorrect results with that few, but it should still do a reasonable
>     job.

Early experiments (see the mailing list archive) found that when you
go from thousands to multiple tens of thousands of messages, accuracy
gets a little bit worse. I'm going completely from memory here, you'd
have to check the mailing list archive for the details. 

Anthony

From support at getsoft.com  Mon May 12 13:08:51 2003
From: support at getsoft.com (SAIG/ED4W Support)
Date: Sun May 11 22:15:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes questions
Message-ID: <120656135072.20030512120851@getsoft.com>

Hi,
I have recently found your SpamBayes program and it looks very
interesting. I'd like to be able to run SpamBayes on our Web server
and wonder if this is possible. In particular can you access the Web
interface from your local PC when SpamBayes is running on a remote
server.

>From reading the Installation notes SpamBayes requires Python V2.2 or
later. I assume from this there is no way to get it to run on V1.5.2,
which is what is installed on our Web server and unfortunately can't
be upgraded?

One of my big hassles with Spam is the cost in money and time
downloading email when I'm on a slow expensive Internet connection,
such as in a Hotel or using a mobile phone.

What I would really like to see is a way to skip downloading email
flagged as spam. Maybe something as simple as using a different pop3
port which only gets ham. Or the option to redirect all spam to
specified email account, which I could then check when I have my
normal broadband connection available.

I did have a quick scan through the mailing list archives, but
couldn't see any answers to these specific issues.

Thanks for your time.

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From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Sun May 11 20:37:58 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Sun May 11 22:38:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How many is enough? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Peter Bengtsson <mail@peterbe.com> of "Mon,
	12 May 2003 01:53:21 BST."
	<5.2.0.9.0.20030512015036.02010fe0@localhost> 
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030512015036.02010fe0@localhost> 
Message-ID: <20030512023758.A41DF2DE8A@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <5.2.0.9.0.20030512015036.02010fe0@localhost>
             Peter Bengtsson <mail@peterbe.com> writes:

>I've read the pages at http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ now and concluded 
>that you should train your database, but not too much.
>What I fail to find is some numbers for this. Are we talking about hundreds 
>or thousands or millions?
>I've trained my database with 3000 ham and only 50 spam. That was basically 
>all I had available in my email client at the moment.
>
>So, how much should I train before I run the risk of overdoing it?

I've not had any problems with training with tens of thousands
of messages (6345 ham, 17063 spam for last night's retrain).
The only reson I don't train with my full 44219 message archive
is to control database size... and that really is a pretty minor
concern.  My incremental training tests showed that more was
better for accuracy...

- Alex

From tim.one at comcast.net  Sun May 11 23:46:18 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun May 11 22:47:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes questions
In-Reply-To: <120656135072.20030512120851@getsoft.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCKEGHEFAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Neville Franks]
> ...
> From reading the Installation notes SpamBayes requires Python V2.2 or
> later. I assume from this there is no way to get it to run on V1.5.2,
> which is what is installed on our Web server and unfortunately can't
> be upgraded?

2.2 is minimal, in part because the code uses generators (new in 2.2), and
in part because it relies on many improvements to Python's libraries since
1.5.2 came out.  You could work around all that, of course, given an unknown
(but large) investment of effort.  Note that 1.5.2 hasn't been supported for
years, and even 2.1 stopped attracting support over a year ago (when 2.3
development started).  That web server is going to self-destruct eventually
<wink>.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon May 12 13:57:32 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun May 11 22:58:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes questions
In-Reply-To: <120656135072.20030512120851@getsoft.com>
Message-ID: <056b01c31832$3c818b20$530f8490@eden>

Hi Neville,
  You may remember me from years ago when I was using ED4W while working
with Paul Foxworthy at Colonial.  Funny how small the world is! :)

> I have recently found your SpamBayes program and it looks very
> interesting. I'd like to be able to run SpamBayes on our Web server
> and wonder if this is possible. In particular can you access the Web
> interface from your local PC when SpamBayes is running on a remote
> server.

I'm much more involved in the Outlook part of this project, but seeing as I
was saying "hi", I will do my best to answer.

As far as I know, the pop3proxy application (which I believe you are
referring to) will allow you to run its existing web interface from a remote
machine.

> >From reading the Installation notes SpamBayes requires Python V2.2 or
> later. I assume from this there is no way to get it to run on V1.5.2,
> which is what is installed on our Web server and unfortunately can't
> be upgraded?

Unfortunately not.  1.5.2 is very old and no longer being maintained.  This
project requires Python 2.1 or later.  Note that it is generally not
necessary to upgrade - a Python 2.x installation should be able to sit next
to Python 1.x.

> One of my big hassles with Spam is the cost in money and time
> downloading email when I'm on a slow expensive Internet connection,
> such as in a Hotel or using a mobile phone.
>
> What I would really like to see is a way to skip downloading email
> flagged as spam. Maybe something as simple as using a different pop3
> port which only gets ham. Or the option to redirect all spam to
> specified email account, which I could then check when I have my
> normal broadband connection available.

This sounds like a reasonable idea, but I certainly haven't heard of it.  Of
course, the classifier has to download the mail from the original pop server
to perform the analysis, so this gets a little tricky - pop3proxy will then
need to simulate a complete pop server (to pretend the spam doesn't actually
exist) or download and delete from the original, maintaining its own
database.

Hopefully someone more involved in pop3proxy will give a better answer.

Mark.


From dave at boost-consulting.com  Sun May 11 23:57:39 2003
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Sun May 11 22:58:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Does anyone care about this report?
Message-ID: <uznlsdg7w.fsf@boost-consulting.com>


I spent considerable time preparing this several weeks ago, with the
promise that it would be made available somewhere that would be of
use to people... but got no reply.

http://www.boost-consulting.com/writing/server-side.html

I'd also appreciate it if someone could address the question at the
end.

Thanks,
-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon May 12 17:07:07 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon May 12 00:07:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes questions
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181C6CC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> In particular can you access the Web 
> interface from your local PC when SpamBayes is running on a remote 
> server.

If you set the "html_ui":"allow_remote_connections" option to True (it
defaults to False), then yes.  It depends on the setup, but you might
want to alter it first, though.  As it is, this would mean that anyone
could connect to that server and access the interface.  You could simply
put it in a protected (htaccess, for example) directory, or you could
build in some sort of authentication.  (IIRC, there is a feature request
for this.)

> What I would really like to see is a way to skip downloading email 
> flagged as spam. Maybe something as simple as using a different pop3 
> port which only gets ham. Or the option to redirect all spam to 
> specified email account, which I could then check when I have my 
> normal broadband connection available.

As Mark said, this is tricky because the classifier needs access to the
mail to do its thing.  Are you intending this for a single user, or
multiple users?  The FAQ has an answer about setting up Spambayes for
multiple users (basically that it's possible, but we don't have
documentation for it).  If it's for a single user, and the proxy is
running on the remote server, then that shouldn't be a problem.

It wouldn't be difficult to modify pop3proxy so that it didn't deliver
spam (you could then run this on a separate port).  (Redirecting would
also be possible, but much more work).  I suspect that you could add
this before line 462 of pop3proxy:
	if msg.GetClassification() == options["Hammie",
"header_spam_string":
		return ok + "\n.\r\n"

This is *completely* untested, but it should mean that for all messages
classified as spam an empty message is returned.  (It would be simple
enough to tweak so that you just got the headers, or something like
that).  The full message would be added to the cache so you could review
(and re-classify) it via the web interface.

If you don't want to do any coding, but you do want to try this [1],
then I'm happy to put together a patch.  Just let me know what behaviour
you want it to have.  (I suspect it should really have the ability to
'resend' a message that you identify as a false positive, for example).

=Tony Meyer

[1]  This assumes you get past the Python 1.5 problem ;)

From readonly at getsoft.com  Mon May 12 16:13:55 2003
From: readonly at getsoft.com (Neville Franks)
Date: Mon May 12 01:13:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes questions
In-Reply-To: <056b01c31832$3c818b20$530f8490@eden>
References: <056b01c31832$3c818b20$530f8490@eden>
Message-ID: <151667238568.20030512151355@getsoft.com>

Hi Mark,

Monday, May 12, 2003, 12:57:32 PM, you wrote:

MH> Hi Neville,
MH>   You may remember me from years ago when I was using ED4W while working
MH> with Paul Foxworthy at Colonial.  Funny how small the world is! :)

Yes indeed I do. When I discovered SpamBayes yesterday I saw your name
plastered all over the place and thought I wonder if that's the same
Mark Hammond. Last I remember you were going to write a killer GUI
Make program, now it is Python IDEs :-)  Hope all is well.

>> I have recently found your SpamBayes program and it looks very
>> interesting. I'd like to be able to run SpamBayes on our Web server
>> and wonder if this is possible. In particular can you access the Web
>> interface from your local PC when SpamBayes is running on a remote
>> server.

MH> I'm much more involved in the Outlook part of this project, but seeing as I
MH> was saying "hi", I will do my best to answer.

FYI I don't use Outlook.

MH> As far as I know, the pop3proxy application (which I believe you are
MH> referring to) will allow you to run its existing web interface from a remote
MH> machine.

Thanks, Tony responded as well. See my reply to him.

>> >From reading the Installation notes SpamBayes requires Python V2.2 or
>> later. I assume from this there is no way to get it to run on V1.5.2,
>> which is what is installed on our Web server and unfortunately can't
>> be upgraded?

MH> Unfortunately not.  1.5.2 is very old and no longer being maintained.  This
MH> project requires Python 2.1 or later.  Note that it is generally not
MH> necessary to upgrade - a Python 2.x installation should be able to sit next
MH> to Python 1.x.

Seeing I have no way to run Python V2.x at my hosting company at
present I've set it up on a machine here and have got everything work.
So far I am most impressed. Know if only ...

>> One of my big hassles with Spam is the cost in money and time
>> downloading email when I'm on a slow expensive Internet connection,
>> such as in a Hotel or using a mobile phone.
>>
>> What I would really like to see is a way to skip downloading email
>> flagged as spam. Maybe something as simple as using a different pop3
>> port which only gets ham. Or the option to redirect all spam to
>> specified email account, which I could then check when I have my
>> normal broadband connection available.

MH> This sounds like a reasonable idea, but I certainly haven't heard of it.  Of
MH> course, the classifier has to download the mail from the original pop server
MH> to perform the analysis, so this gets a little tricky - pop3proxy will then
MH> need to simulate a complete pop server (to pretend the spam doesn't actually
MH> exist) or download and delete from the original, maintaining its own
MH> database.

MH> Hopefully someone more involved in pop3proxy will give a better answer.

I'm really very surprised that none of the Spam packages I've seen
have any option to skip "spam" messages. It just seems like such an
obvious thing to do to me.

Thanks for your comments. Again see my reply to Tony.

-- 
Best regards,
 Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows - the programmers editor, an indispensable tool for great software development.
  http://www.getsoft.com Version 4.02 now available. New: Projects, Source Database, Difference Analysis....


From readonly at getsoft.com  Mon May 12 16:30:37 2003
From: readonly at getsoft.com (Neville Franks)
Date: Mon May 12 01:30:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes questions
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181C6CC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181C6CC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <19668240919.20030512153037@getsoft.com>

Hi Tony,

Monday, May 12, 2003, 2:07:07 PM, you wrote:

>> In particular can you access the Web 
>> interface from your local PC when SpamBayes is running on a remote 
>> server.

MT> If you set the "html_ui":"allow_remote_connections" option to True (it
MT> defaults to False), then yes.  It depends on the setup, but you might
MT> want to alter it first, though.  As it is, this would mean that anyone
MT> could connect to that server and access the interface.  You could simply
MT> put it in a protected (htaccess, for example) directory, or you could
MT> build in some sort of authentication.  (IIRC, there is a feature request
MT> for this.)

Thanks for that. Right now and for the foreseeable future I am running
SB locally, because of the Python version problem on my Web host.

>> What I would really like to see is a way to skip downloading email 
>> flagged as spam. Maybe something as simple as using a different pop3 
>> port which only gets ham. Or the option to redirect all spam to 
>> specified email account, which I could then check when I have my 
>> normal broadband connection available.

MT> As Mark said, this is tricky because the classifier needs access to the
MT> mail to do its thing.  Are you intending this for a single user, or
MT> multiple users?  The FAQ has an answer about setting up Spambayes for
MT> multiple users (basically that it's possible, but we don't have
MT> documentation for it).  If it's for a single user, and the proxy is
MT> running on the remote server, then that shouldn't be a problem.

MT> It wouldn't be difficult to modify pop3proxy so that it didn't deliver
MT> spam (you could then run this on a separate port).  (Redirecting would
MT> also be possible, but much more work).  I suspect that you could add
MT> this before line 462 of pop3proxy:
MT>         if msg.GetClassification() == options["Hammie",
MT> "header_spam_string":
MT>                 return ok + "\n.\r\n"

MT> This is *completely* untested, but it should mean that for all messages
MT> classified as spam an empty message is returned.  (It would be simple
MT> enough to tweak so that you just got the headers, or something like
MT> that).  The full message would be added to the cache so you could review
MT> (and re-classify) it via the web interface.

MT> If you don't want to do any coding, but you do want to try this [1],
MT> then I'm happy to put together a patch.  Just let me know what behaviour
MT> you want it to have.  (I suspect it should really have the ability to
MT> 'resend' a message that you identify as a false positive, for example).

I have approx. 6 @getsoft.com I want to filter, and possibly some
others. Seeing I only discovered Spambayes yesterday and installed it
today, I really don't have much of an understanding how it goes about
doing what it does.

Typically my email client is setup to delete mail as it downloads it.
Is it feasible to have a mode/setting which says don't pass spam on to
the email client and also don't delete it from the mail server.
If the email client never sees the spam in this special mode then it
won't delete it and it will just sit there. Ideally this "mode" could
be set by the Web interface. I could still use WebMail to look at the
mail back on the server if I really wanted to.

I really appreciate your quick response and willingness to help. Kudos
to all those involved in this project.

-- 
Best regards,
 Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows - the programmers editor, an indispensable tool for great software development.
  http://www.getsoft.com Version 4.02 now available. New: Projects, Source Database, Difference Analysis....


From readonly at getsoft.com  Mon May 12 16:38:04 2003
From: readonly at getsoft.com (Neville Franks)
Date: Mon May 12 01:37:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes questions
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCKEGHEFAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCKEGHEFAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <191668687641.20030512153804@getsoft.com>

Monday, May 12, 2003, 12:46:18 PM, you wrote:

TP> [Neville Franks]
>> ...
>> From reading the Installation notes SpamBayes requires Python V2.2 or
>> later. I assume from this there is no way to get it to run on V1.5.2,
>> which is what is installed on our Web server and unfortunately can't
>> be upgraded?

TP> 2.2 is minimal, in part because the code uses generators (new in 2.2), and
TP> in part because it relies on many improvements to Python's libraries since
TP> 1.5.2 came out.  You could work around all that, of course, given an unknown
TP> (but large) investment of effort.  Note that 1.5.2 hasn't been supported for
TP> years, and even 2.1 stopped attracting support over a year ago (when 2.3
TP> development started).  That web server is going to self-destruct eventually
TP> <wink>.

Thanks. For now I've installed Python 2.3 locally and will run it that
way until I'm able to get the later version on my Web host.

-- 
Best regards,
 Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows - the programmers editor, an indispensable tool for great software development.
  http://www.getsoft.com Version 4.02 now available. New: Projects, Source Database, Difference Analysis....


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon May 12 02:15:22 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 12 04:15:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-712480 ] Outlook 2002 (XP)
	installation fails
Message-ID: <E19F8Sw-0007tG-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #712480, was opened at 2003-03-31 05:47
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by nicktrautmann
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=712480&group_id=61702

Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Paul Marrero (pmarrero)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook 2002 (XP) installation fails

Initial Comment:
I use office XP with the Outlook client.  It appears that 
the registration was successfull but I cannnot find any 
menu buttons.  XP clipboard does appear to have the 
Icons.  The command line train works.  Not sure where 
to go from here.  

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Comment By: Nick Trautmann (nicktrautmann)
Date: 2003-05-12 08:15

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=776857

Similar here:

pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 156, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 71, 
in import_core_spambayes_stuff
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\spambayes\tokenizer.py", line 659, 
in ?
exceptions.AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no 
attribute 'skip_max_word_size'
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\Nick\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 156, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 71, 
in import_core_spambayes_stuff
exceptions.ImportError: cannot import name tokenize

Thanks
Nick


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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-04-01 02:48

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Actually, I get this too.  I've just switched to Outlook XP, so 
I'm not sure if this is the reason, or just that I'm doing a fresh 
install.  The log includes the following traces:

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Failed to load bayes database
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 310, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\tameyer\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Either bayes database or message database is missing - 
creating new
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 165, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 329, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 378, 
in InitNewBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 94, 
in new_bayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
exceptions.AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Failed to load bayes database
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 310, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\tameyer\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Either bayes database or message database is missing - 
creating new
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 165, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 329, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 378, 
in InitNewBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 94, 
in new_bayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
exceptions.AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'


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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-03-31 06:05

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Which version of the Outlook plugin are you using?  (a) the 
latest CVS, (b) the 001 stand-alone installer, or (c) the 002 
stand-alone installer?  I know that the 001 installer has been 
known to have this problem (although it appeared to be fixed 
in 002).

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You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=712480&group_id=61702

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon May 12 22:15:17 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon May 12 05:16:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes questions
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181C7A8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I have approx. 6 @getsoft.com I want to filter, and possibly 
> some others. Seeing I only discovered Spambayes yesterday and 
> installed it today, I really don't have much of an 
> understanding how it goes about doing what it does.

:)  A reason things get tricky with multiple users is that you have to
decide whether they are going to share a database (and hence, a common
definition of spam/ham).  This leads to issues about storing separate
databases, or issues about training shared databases via separate
interfaces (so that not all mail is seen by all users).

The multiple users/server question is asked so often that it would be
really great (IMO) if we did have an example of how to do it (just
making arbitrary decisions, and pointing out where they were).  If I
find time and finish the other things I'm meant to be doing ;) then I
might play around with this (it would be time consuming to set up,
though since I would have to create a test mail server on my system,
since I don't have access to one).

Anyway, in the meantime you can see how things go with the local system.

> Typically my email client is setup to delete mail as it 
> downloads it. Is it feasible to have a mode/setting which 
> says don't pass spam on to the email client and also don't 
> delete it from the mail server. If the email client never 
> sees the spam in this special mode then it won't delete it 
> and it will just sit there. Ideally this "mode" could be set 
> by the Web interface. I could still use WebMail to look at 
> the mail back on the server if I really wanted to.

What I could see as an 'easy' option would be this:
* your mail program can connect to pop.example.com:110 and all mail
waiting is retrieved normally (and you probably delete it all from the
server as well)

* your mail program can connect to pop.example.com:111 and only
ham/unsures are downloaded; all spam (and false positives ;) are left on
the server (and you probably, again, delete all the mail you download,
since you have a local copy of it).

* your web browser can connect to pop.example.com:80 and see the web
interface, which lets you correct any misclassifications, review waiting
(spam) messages, and the like.  If you reclassify a message from spam to
ham, then it will be downloaded next time your mail program connects to
:111.

This way you would only need to connect to :111 and occasionally review
via the web ui.  Alternatively, you could normally connect via :110 (and
filter based on the headers, perhaps), and connect to :111 when you are
on a dialup, or a mobile, or whatever.  The mail clients connecting to
:111 would have no idea that there was more mail there (or, perhaps,
there could be an option to download a stripped version of the message
so that you know that there is mail that you can check, or maybe a
single summary message occasionally).

It's not that tricky a project (IMO), if the shared user logistics
mentioned above are resolved.

Actually, thinking about it, Death2Spam (http://www.death2spam.com) does
something along these lines.  I didn't read the docs all that carefully,
so there are probably differences, but it's similar, at least.

> I really appreciate your quick response and willingness to 
> help. Kudos to all those involved in this project.

No worries, and thanks :)

=Tony Meyer

From anthony at interlink.com.au  Mon May 12 22:45:58 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Mon May 12 07:46:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] mini-project idea - .fetchmailconf parser
Message-ID: <200305121145.h4CBjxD29981@localhost.localdomain>


A mini-project that I've had on my "one day..." list for a long time
is something that takes a .fetchmailconf, parses it and generates a
config for the pop/imap proxy. It would also move aside the existing
fetchmail config file and replace it with a new one.

Like I said, it's a fairly small project, but if someone else's feeling
inspired -- I'm unlikely to get to it anytime soon.

Anthony
--
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From m.leck at ntlworld.com  Mon May 12 15:50:26 2003
From: m.leck at ntlworld.com (Mark Leck)
Date: Mon May 12 09:50:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Win98 2nd Ed
Message-ID: <NHBBIFFNCLPGJGOKJOBEMELICDAA.m.leck@ntlworld.com>

Hi,

Does the bayesian spam filter run on Win98 2nd edition? I am having problems
because the dll is failing to register using regsvr32.

Mark Leck


From mail at peterbe.com  Mon May 12 16:21:50 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Mon May 12 10:50:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030512151849.0223bd98@mail.grenna.net>

I installed the 1.0a2 from sourceforge yesterday and I use the pop3proxy so 
my Eudora now connects to localhost instead.
Yesterday everything was working fine and no errors reported. Great work 
guys! Today I get this errors:

C:\Python22\spambayes>C:\Python22\python.exe pop3proxy.py
Loading database... Done.
Listener on port 110 is proxying mail.grenna.net:110
User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel 
<__main__.ServerLineReader c
onnected at 0x15d5838> (exceptions.EOFError: 
[C:\Python22\lib\asyncore.py|poll|9
9] [C:\Python22\lib\asyncore.py|handle_read_event|396] 
[C:\Python22\lib\asynchat
.py|handle_read|130] [pop3proxy.py|found_terminator|199] 
[pop3proxy.py|onServerL
ine|267] [pop3proxy.py|onResponse|341] [pop3proxy.py|onTransaction|437] 
[pop3pro
xy.py|onRetr|484] [spambayes\classifier.py|chi2_spamprob|217] 
[spambayes\classif
ier.py|_getclues|437] [spambayes\storage.py|_wordinfoget|192] 
[C:\Python22\lib\s
helve.py|get|66] [C:\Python22\lib\shelve.py|__getitem__|71])


Any ideas what this might mean or what I have done to deserve this?


WinXP Pro, Python 2.2, what else do you need to know?


From skip at pobox.com  Mon May 12 11:05:04 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon May 12 11:05:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes questions
In-Reply-To: <151667238568.20030512151355@getsoft.com>
References: <056b01c31832$3c818b20$530f8490@eden>
	<151667238568.20030512151355@getsoft.com>
Message-ID: <16063.47136.107010.364491@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Neville> I'm really very surprised that none of the Spam packages I've
    Neville> seen have any option to skip "spam" messages. It just seems
    Neville> like such an obvious thing to do to me.

The problem is that no spam filter is perfect, so there will eventually be
false positives.  Not delivering a valid message because the spam filter
thought it looked like spam is only a hop, skip and a jump away from
deleting it altogether.  Someone is bound to complain, "you're deleting
valid email".  That puts egg on the spam filter's face (when all it wants is
spam).

At the very least, in your setup you'd have to give everyone two mailboxes
(or a mailbox and a web mail interface), one for presumed ham, one for
presumed spam.  Guess how frequently the spam box will get downloaded?
After awhile, disk space will be a problem (quota exceeded?) and the hosting
company will stop accepting email for the user altogether.  Or something
like that.

In short, deleting or detouring spam is generally not a viable option.

Skip


From tim.one at comcast.net  Mon May 12 14:34:13 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon May 12 13:37:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Win98 2nd Ed
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIFFNCLPGJGOKJOBEMELICDAA.m.leck@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHGEHJFKAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Mark Leck]
> Does the bayesian spam filter run on Win98 2nd edition? I am
> having problems because the dll is failing to register using regsvr32.

I use the spambayes Outlook add-in on two different Win98SE boxes without
problems, although I haven't updated the code lately.  We're going to need
more details, like what you downloaded, what you did, and what happened.
First thing to check:  are you running Outlook 2000?  In particular, the
add-in doesn't work with Outlook Express.


From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Mon May 12 13:52:22 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Mon May 12 15:52:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Does anyone care about this report? 
In-Reply-To: Message from David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> of "Sun,
	11 May 2003 22:57:39 EDT." <uznlsdg7w.fsf@boost-consulting.com> 
References: <uznlsdg7w.fsf@boost-consulting.com> 
Message-ID: <20030512195222.BE3A02DDC4@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <uznlsdg7w.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
             David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> writes:
>
>I spent considerable time preparing this several weeks ago, with the
>promise that it would be made available somewhere that would be of
>use to people... but got no reply.
>
>http://www.boost-consulting.com/writing/server-side.html
>
>I'd also appreciate it if someone could address the question at the
>end.

Well, I can't do anything about the availability.  I can try answering
the question (about concurrent training and classification), though
I am not an authority.

The last time I checked, spambayes did nothing at all in the way of file
locking.  This (or rather similar issues dealing with the viability of
multiple threads) was rather actively debated on the mailing list a few
months back, and the general consensus seemed to be that having only
one thread and no locking was the least painful way to go.  This does
mean that training and classification could have problems if done
concurrently... however, since classification is generally read-only
access, the problems may be only in fetching minutely stale data,
instead of database corruption (but don't quote me on that, since I
haven't looked into the db implementation).

For my personal use, I have procmail do locking to keep multiple
instances from running at the same time, and I also have my nightly
retrain go into a fresh db, which I then rename over the old db (an
atomic process at the filesystem level).  In this way, I hope to
avoid any database issues.  If I was extra-paranoid, I'd make the
nightly retrain grab the same lock that procmail uses when doing
the rename... but I'm too lazy to be that persnickety.  My laziness
is encouraged by the fact that if something messes up, I can just
retrain from scratch again, just as is done every night.  I only had
to do that once, and I have no particular reason to believe that it
messed up due to concurrent access issues.

- Alex

From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Mon May 12 14:01:04 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Mon May 12 16:01:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Header cropping 
In-Reply-To: Message from Harald Hanche-Olsen <hanche@math.ntnu.no> of "Sat,
	10 May 2003 19:03:40 +0200." <20030510190340Y.hanche@math.ntnu.no> 
References: <20030510145457A.hanche@math.ntnu.no>
	<FDGFGCTPQMRQXRPL32IHTOLJJIUP4XC0.3ebcfa5e@myst>
	<20030510190340Y.hanche@math.ntnu.no> 
Message-ID: <20030512200104.6CD9D2DDC4@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <20030510190340Y.hanche@math.ntnu.no>
             Harald Hanche-Olsen <hanche@math.ntnu.no> writes:

[ in reference to header-eating problems ]

>Hammie.  Sorry, I should have said.

As others have said, hammie eats the headers if there is a message
parsing failure.  This is fairly easy to cause with a malformed
MIME section.  I mentioned this on list a couple times a few months
ago (including a message which causes it to happen), and the general
reaction at the time was that Barry should fix the non-strict MIME
parser in the email package, rather than making the error handling
in spambayes itself more robust.  This hasn't been a high-priority
task, given that it's really only idiots like me who hand-craft
MIME messages (with the occasional error) who are sending malformed
messages to trigger the problem.

- Alex

From admin at sandor.net  Mon May 12 13:53:20 2003
From: admin at sandor.net (admin)
Date: Mon May 12 16:07:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] New mail icon.
Message-ID: <002001c318c0$2468eef0$6601a8c0@wirelessodufzz>

Hello,

 

            I did a quick search on the spambayes mailing list and saw
this had been brought up and rejected ? so I?ll be brief.

 

            I like the new mail icon in the tray that Outlook creates.
It has always worked (fairly) well for me so I *do* use it. I work from
home ? so having my computer notify me when I have new mail is a nicety
? false positives from mail marked as spam invalidates the notification
(obviously). If this is going to be the case ? I might as well close
Outlook after every session. As I would like to be faster on my email
responses this is not realistic ? but neither is running to my computer
every time I get some spam (much of the time I am too far to see the
icon ? but the audio notification is still useful). 

 

Since I am not the first person to bring this up (indeed, the previous
person even made some code for a patch) I suspect there are more users
that have the same issue. Thus I felt I should speak up.

 

            Thank you for a top notch app. I?ll keep using spambayes and
if I have to - I?ll figure out how to monkey some vb into outlook to fix
the icon,  so I guess I?m just trying to save myself some work :-) If I
was handy with Python I?d try my hand at contributing ? but alas, I know
nothing.

 

-s?ndor

 

P.S.

This might have been more appropriate in the mailing list but I didn?t
want to subscribe just to give this one suggestion. Sorry.

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon May 12 15:14:41 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 12 17:14:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-736677 ] Outlook add-in fails to load
	in Outlook 2002 (XP)
Message-ID: <E19FKd7-0000KA-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #736677, was opened at 2003-05-12 23:14
Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=736677&group_id=61702

Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Oliver Carr (ollieuk)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook add-in fails to load in Outlook 2002 (XP)

Initial Comment:
When trying to load the Outlook Add-in in Outlook 2002, 
this fails, pulling down all other installed COM Add-ins 
at the same time. The toolbar extensions (drop-down 
menu etc.( are not displayed.
Outlook reports the following error for the Binary add-
in: "Not loaded. A runtime error occured during the 
loading of the COM add-in."
This behaviour is reproducible for both the Binary, as for 
the Source Code versions.
This behaviour is independent of the user logged on.
Platform: WinXP Pro SP1, Office XP SP2, spambayes 
1.02a / Binary 002.
Here is the trace, the log file from the binary is 
attatched:
Outlook Spam Addin module loading
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration 
file 'E:\Downloads\Web\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes-
1.0a2\Outlook2000\default_configuration.pck'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, 
args, None, None)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in 
_InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, 
kwargs, serviceProvider)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in 
_invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, 
dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwArgs, serviceProvider)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in 
_invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "E:\Downloads\Web\spambayes-1.0a2
\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 611, in 
OnConnection
    self.manager = manager.GetManager(application)
  File "E:\Downloads\Web\spambayes-1.0a2
\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 335, 
in GetManager
    _mgr = BayesManager(outlook=outlook, 
verbose=verbose)
  File "E:\Downloads\Web\spambayes-1.0a2
\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 79, 
in __init__
    import_core_spambayes_stuff(self.ini_filename)
  File "E:\Downloads\Web\spambayes-1.0a2
\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 46, 
in import_core_spambayes_stuff
    from spambayes import classifier
  File "C:\Program Files\Python22\Lib\site-
packages\spambayes\classifier.py", line 40, in ?
    from spambayes.Options import options
  File "C:\Program Files\Python22\Lib\site-
packages\spambayes\Options.py", line 557, in ?
    options.mergefilelike(d)
  File "C:\Program Files\Python22\Lib\site-
packages\spambayes\Options.py", line 517, in 
mergefilelike
    self._update()
  File "C:\Program Files\Python22\Lib\site-
packages\spambayes\Options.py", line 535, in _update
    value = getattr(c, fetcher)(section, option)
  File "C:\Program Files\Python22\lib\ConfigParser.py", 
line 306, in getfloat
    return self.__get(section, float, option)
  File "C:\Program Files\Python22\lib\ConfigParser.py", 
line 300, in __get
    return conv(self.get(section, option))
exceptions.ValueError: invalid literal for float(): 0.20


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From readonly at getsoft.com  Tue May 13 08:37:17 2003
From: readonly at getsoft.com (Neville Franks)
Date: Mon May 12 17:37:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes questions
In-Reply-To: <16063.47136.107010.364491@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <056b01c31832$3c818b20$530f8490@eden>
	<151667238568.20030512151355@getsoft.com>
	<16063.47136.107010.364491@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <140726241099.20030513073717@getsoft.com>

SM>     Neville> I'm really very surprised that none of the Spam packages I've
SM>     Neville> seen have any option to skip "spam" messages. It just seems
SM>     Neville> like such an obvious thing to do to me.

SM> The problem is that no spam filter is perfect, so there will eventually be
SM> false positives.  Not delivering a valid message because the spam filter
SM> thought it looked like spam is only a hop, skip and a jump away from
SM> deleting it altogether.  Someone is bound to complain, "you're deleting
SM> valid email".  That puts egg on the spam filter's face (when all it wants is
SM> spam).

SM> At the very least, in your setup you'd have to give everyone two mailboxes
SM> (or a mailbox and a web mail interface), one for presumed ham, one for
SM> presumed spam.  Guess how frequently the spam box will get downloaded?
SM> After awhile, disk space will be a problem (quota exceeded?) and the hosting
SM> company will stop accepting email for the user altogether.  Or something
SM> like that.

I think you are missing my main point and that is to enable the option
of not downloading spam at certain specific times, such as when I'm in
a hotel paying exorbitant connection charges. As soon as I'm back in
the office I'd disable this option and handle the spam as necessary.

That said if SpamBayes is running remotely with my mail server and the
day comes that I'm confident SB "never or rarely" comes up with false
positives, then I may be quite happy for SB to delete everything it
recognizes as spam so I don't have to waist precious time checking and
deleting it.

Finally I control all of my email accounts, mail sever, web server
etc. and know precisely what I am doing, so the mail server quota
issue etc. wouldn't become an issue. If I were looking after email for
"other" users things may be different.

The idea of having separate ports to access spam, ham etc. as I
suggested and Tony Meyer's has discussed appears to be a simple enough
way to achieve this and doesn't require separate mailboxes.

-- 
Best regards,
 Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows - the programmers editor, an indispensable tool for great software development.
  http://www.getsoft.com Version 4.02 now available. New: Projects, Source Database, Difference Analysis....


From m.leck at ntlworld.com  Mon May 12 23:42:57 2003
From: m.leck at ntlworld.com (Mark Leck)
Date: Mon May 12 17:41:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem getting the filter to register the add in
Message-ID: <NHBBIFFNCLPGJGOKJOBEMELKCDAA.m.leck@ntlworld.com>

Hi,

I have the following problem with getting the filter to run on my desktop

I am using Outlook 2000 (9.0.0.2711).

I followed the link from
http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes
and downloaded the exe file and ran it. The Add-In was installed into
Outlook and appears in the 'COMM Add Ins' section of the
Tools->Options menu
but is not ticked and every time I tick it and re open the box it is
unticked again. I tried to register the dll manually at this point and get
an error when trying to register - 'DllRegisterServer in
spambayes_addin.dll
failed. Return code was 0xc0000005'.

Can anyone help with this problem?

Regards,

Mark

From readonly at getsoft.com  Tue May 13 09:09:05 2003
From: readonly at getsoft.com (Neville Franks)
Date: Mon May 12 18:08:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes questions
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181C7A8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130181C7A8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <115728149213.20030513080905@getsoft.com>

>> I have approx. 6 @getsoft.com I want to filter, and possibly
>> some others. Seeing I only discovered Spambayes yesterday and 
>> installed it today, I really don't have much of an 
>> understanding how it goes about doing what it does.

MT> :)  A reason things get tricky with multiple users is that you have to
MT> decide whether they are going to share a database (and hence, a common
MT> definition of spam/ham).  This leads to issues about storing separate
MT> databases, or issues about training shared databases via separate
MT> interfaces (so that not all mail is seen by all users).

MT> The multiple users/server question is asked so often that it would be
MT> really great (IMO) if we did have an example of how to do it (just
MT> making arbitrary decisions, and pointing out where they were).  If I
MT> find time and finish the other things I'm meant to be doing ;) then I
MT> might play around with this (it would be time consuming to set up,
MT> though since I would have to create a test mail server on my system,
MT> since I don't have access to one).

MT> Anyway, in the meantime you can see how things go with the local system.

I appreciate the problems here, but I don't consider this an issue in
my specific case. My 6 aforementioned email accounts predominately get
the same spam, so having one filter for all accounts isn't an issue.
That said I can see how this could be a problem for others and having
some way to handle it would be very nice.


>> Typically my email client is setup to delete mail as it 
>> downloads it. Is it feasible to have a mode/setting which 
>> says don't pass spam on to the email client and also don't 
>> delete it from the mail server. If the email client never 
>> sees the spam in this special mode then it won't delete it 
>> and it will just sit there. Ideally this "mode" could be set 
>> by the Web interface. I could still use WebMail to look at 
>> the mail back on the server if I really wanted to.

MT> What I could see as an 'easy' option would be this:
MT> * your mail program can connect to pop.example.com:110 and all mail
MT> waiting is retrieved normally (and you probably delete it all from the
MT> server as well)

MT> * your mail program can connect to pop.example.com:111 and only
MT> ham/unsures are downloaded; all spam (and false positives ;) are left on
MT> the server (and you probably, again, delete all the mail you download,
MT> since you have a local copy of it).

MT> * your web browser can connect to pop.example.com:80 and see the web
MT> interface, which lets you correct any misclassifications, review waiting
MT> (spam) messages, and the like.  If you reclassify a message from spam to
MT> ham, then it will be downloaded next time your mail program connects to
MT> :111.

MT> This way you would only need to connect to :111 and occasionally review
MT> via the web ui.  Alternatively, you could normally connect via :110 (and
MT> filter based on the headers, perhaps), and connect to :111 when you are
MT> on a dialup, or a mobile, or whatever.  The mail clients connecting to
MT> :111 would have no idea that there was more mail there (or, perhaps,
MT> there could be an option to download a stripped version of the message
MT> so that you know that there is mail that you can check, or maybe a
MT> single summary message occasionally).

MT> It's not that tricky a project (IMO), if the shared user logistics
MT> mentioned above are resolved.

This sounds great to me. The only hassle on my part is having to
change the 6 email account properties to a different port and back,
but I can happily live with that.

A nice enhancement would be to have say a :112 and let the Web
interface specify whether this has the behavior of your :110 or :111
port. Then I could always use :112 and simply hop into the Web
interface to flip the behavior back and forth instead of having to
change all my email accounts.

Another very nice feature for the pop.example.com:80 Web interface
would be an option to delete some/all emails flagged as spam from the
mail server.

Add all this together and my life might start to return to normal
(whether that is).

-- 
Best regards,
 Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows - the programmers editor, an indispensable tool for great software development.


From skip at pobox.com  Mon May 12 18:15:21 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon May 12 18:15:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes questions
In-Reply-To: <140726241099.20030513073717@getsoft.com>
References: <056b01c31832$3c818b20$530f8490@eden>
	<151667238568.20030512151355@getsoft.com>
	<16063.47136.107010.364491@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<140726241099.20030513073717@getsoft.com>
Message-ID: <16064.7417.687631.115533@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Neville> I think you are missing my main point and that is to enable the
    Neville> option of not downloading spam at certain specific times, such
    Neville> as when I'm in a hotel paying exorbitant connection charges. As
    Neville> soon as I'm back in the office I'd disable this option and
    Neville> handle the spam as necessary.

I think I understood fairly well what you were asking.  I believe you were
asking about running the filter server side, then picking up your mail in
the usual fashion.  If you're talking to a vanilla POP server how do you
tell it to "not download spam at certain specific times"?  Can this be
accomplished with more control over the tool chain?  Yes. You mentioned the
possibility of modifying pop3proxy to listen to port 111 as well as port
110, with connections to the former hiding possible spam messages.  I'm not
sure I'd trust garden variety users to toggle their POP port reliably.  Some
email clients (like Eudora), only allow you to set a single POP port used to
connect to all possible POP servers, so if you have multiple POP drops you'd
be scrod.  (The dual port solution also seems like a gross hack.  If you're
going to use pop3proxy to do your bidding, it would better to simply have a
"hide_spam_temporarily" flag.)

    Neville> That said if SpamBayes is running remotely with my mail server
    Neville> and the day comes that I'm confident SB "never or rarely" comes
    Neville> up with false positives, then I may be quite happy for SB to
    Neville> delete everything it recognizes as spam so I don't have to
    Neville> waist precious time checking and deleting it.

Please, no.  SpamAssassin also only filters messages.  I recall seeing it
slammed in public forums because some system managers got the bright idea to
configure the downstream procmail to delete messages whose scores were "high
enough".  Naturally enough, SA got blamed.  While we can't prevent sys
admins from hanging themselves, we ought to at least make them build the
gallows and buy the rope.

    Neville> Finally I control all of my email accounts, mail sever, web
    Neville> server etc. and know precisely what I am doing, so the mail
    Neville> server quota issue etc. wouldn't become an issue. If I were
    Neville> looking after email for "other" users things may be different.

Yeah, I control everything about my email account as well.  You and I are
likely not to be garden variety users though.  I've also been using
SpamBayes longer than most people on this list.  I still don't delete *any*
spams.  (I do encounter false positives, though they are rare.)  Messages
classified as spam get tossed into two mailboxes by procmail, one for those
with a score of 0.99 or 1.00, and all others which exceed my spam_cutoff
(around 0.88).  The only practical difference is the "high spam" mail gets
scanned less frequently and more quickly.

    Neville> The idea of having separate ports to access spam, ham etc. as I
    Neville> suggested and Tony Meyer's has discussed appears to be a simple
    Neville> enough way to achieve this and doesn't require separate
    Neville> mailboxes.

See my comment above about what normal users are capable of.

Skip

From readonly at getsoft.com  Tue May 13 09:18:52 2003
From: readonly at getsoft.com (Neville Franks)
Date: Mon May 12 18:18:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Web Interface enhancements
Message-ID: <104728735966.20030513081852@getsoft.com>

I have a couple of enhancement suggestions to the very nice Web
interface.

First in "Review messages" can the "To:" account be displayed. I'm
using 6 accounts and it would help me to know which account an email
is destined to.

And again in "Review messages" a return to "Review messages" option
would be nice in the "Trained" page. At present you have to "Return
Home" and then click "Review messages" again. Even better would be to
return to "Review messages" after pressing "Train" and include a
"Refresh" option, then I could just happily sit in "Review messages".

Thanks for listening.

-- 
Best regards,
 Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows - the programmers editor, an indispensable tool for great software development.
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From readonly at getsoft.com  Tue May 13 09:37:34 2003
From: readonly at getsoft.com (Neville Franks)
Date: Mon May 12 18:37:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes questions
In-Reply-To: <16064.7417.687631.115533@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <056b01c31832$3c818b20$530f8490@eden>
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SM>     Neville> I think you are missing my main point and that is to enable the
SM>     Neville> option of not downloading spam at certain specific times, such
SM>     Neville> as when I'm in a hotel paying exorbitant connection charges. As
SM>     Neville> soon as I'm back in the office I'd disable this option and
SM>     Neville> handle the spam as necessary.

SM> I think I understood fairly well what you were asking.  I believe you were
SM> asking about running the filter server side, then picking up your mail in
SM> the usual fashion.  If you're talking to a vanilla POP server how do you
SM> tell it to "not download spam at certain specific times"?  Can this be
SM> accomplished with more control over the tool chain?  Yes. You mentioned the
SM> possibility of modifying pop3proxy to listen to port 111 as well as port
SM> 110, with connections to the former hiding possible spam messages.  I'm not
SM> sure I'd trust garden variety users to toggle their POP port reliably.  Some
SM> email clients (like Eudora), only allow you to set a single POP port used to
SM> connect to all possible POP servers, so if you have multiple POP drops you'd
SM> be scrod.  (The dual port solution also seems like a gross hack.  If you're
SM> going to use pop3proxy to do your bidding, it would better to simply have a
SM> "hide_spam_temporarily" flag.)

A "hide_spam_temporarily" option that I could set in the Web interface
would be an ideal solution for me.

I'm sure there are a lot of people on the road who would welcome a
simple option to temporarily "defer" downloading spam.


SM>     Neville> That said if SpamBayes is running remotely with my mail server
SM>     Neville> and the day comes that I'm confident SB "never or rarely" comes
SM>     Neville> up with false positives, then I may be quite happy for SB to
SM>     Neville> delete everything it recognizes as spam so I don't have to
SM>     Neville> waist precious time checking and deleting it.

SM> Please, no.  SpamAssassin also only filters messages.  I recall seeing it
SM> slammed in public forums because some system managers got the bright idea to
SM> configure the downstream procmail to delete messages whose scores were "high
SM> enough".  Naturally enough, SA got blamed.  While we can't prevent sys
SM> admins from hanging themselves, we ought to at least make them build the
SM> gallows and buy the rope.

I would never suggest anyone else do this, however no one should stop
me, if that's what I really want to do. Over a weekend I can easily
get 100+ spam emails a day, with maybe 1 or 2 ham mixed in. It is just
a nightmare and enormous waist of time to manage.

SM>     Neville> Finally I control all of my email accounts, mail sever, web
SM>     Neville> server etc. and know precisely what I am doing, so the mail
SM>     Neville> server quota issue etc. wouldn't become an issue. If I were
SM>     Neville> looking after email for "other" users things may be different.

SM> Yeah, I control everything about my email account as well.  You and I are
SM> likely not to be garden variety users though.  I've also been using
SM> SpamBayes longer than most people on this list.  I still don't delete *any*
SM> spams.  (I do encounter false positives, though they are rare.)  Messages
SM> classified as spam get tossed into two mailboxes by procmail, one for those
SM> with a score of 0.99 or 1.00, and all others which exceed my spam_cutoff
SM> (around 0.88).  The only practical difference is the "high spam" mail gets
SM> scanned less frequently and more quickly.

SM>     Neville> The idea of having separate ports to access spam, ham etc. as I
SM>     Neville> suggested and Tony Meyer's has discussed appears to be a simple
SM>     Neville> enough way to achieve this and doesn't require separate
SM>     Neville> mailboxes.

SM> See my comment above about what normal users are capable of.

To be honest I really haven't considered what normal users may or may
not be capable of, I'm selfishly just looking for a solution to my
problem, one that many others I'm sure would like to use.

-- 
Best regards,
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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue May 13 09:42:31 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon May 12 18:43:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Win98 2nd Ed
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIFFNCLPGJGOKJOBEMELICDAA.m.leck@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <06c001c318d7$c82c0830$530f8490@eden>

Unfortunately, the binary version is known to not work on Windows 98.  The
source-code version does, and hopefully the next version of the binary will
too :)

Mark.

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> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
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> Sent: Monday, 12 May 2003 11:50 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Win98 2nd Ed
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Does the bayesian spam filter run on Win98 2nd edition? I am
> having problems
> because the dll is failing to register using regsvr32.
>
> Mark Leck
>
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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon May 12 16:45:26 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 12 18:45:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-736677 ] Outlook add-in fails to load
	in Outlook 2002 (XP)
Message-ID: <E19FM2w-0001vu-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #736677, was opened at 2003-05-13 07:14
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Oliver Carr (ollieuk)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook add-in fails to load in Outlook 2002 (XP)

Initial Comment:
When trying to load the Outlook Add-in in Outlook 2002, 
this fails, pulling down all other installed COM Add-ins 
at the same time. The toolbar extensions (drop-down 
menu etc.( are not displayed.
Outlook reports the following error for the Binary add-
in: "Not loaded. A runtime error occured during the 
loading of the COM add-in."
This behaviour is reproducible for both the Binary, as for 
the Source Code versions.
This behaviour is independent of the user logged on.
Platform: WinXP Pro SP1, Office XP SP2, spambayes 
1.02a / Binary 002.
Here is the trace, the log file from the binary is 
attatched:
Outlook Spam Addin module loading
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration 
file 'E:\Downloads\Web\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes-
1.0a2\Outlook2000\default_configuration.pck'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, 
args, None, None)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in 
_InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, 
kwargs, serviceProvider)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in 
_invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, 
dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwArgs, serviceProvider)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in 
_invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "E:\Downloads\Web\spambayes-1.0a2
\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 611, in 
OnConnection
    self.manager = manager.GetManager(application)
  File "E:\Downloads\Web\spambayes-1.0a2
\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 335, 
in GetManager
    _mgr = BayesManager(outlook=outlook, 
verbose=verbose)
  File "E:\Downloads\Web\spambayes-1.0a2
\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 79, 
in __init__
    import_core_spambayes_stuff(self.ini_filename)
  File "E:\Downloads\Web\spambayes-1.0a2
\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 46, 
in import_core_spambayes_stuff
    from spambayes import classifier
  File "C:\Program Files\Python22\Lib\site-
packages\spambayes\classifier.py", line 40, in ?
    from spambayes.Options import options
  File "C:\Program Files\Python22\Lib\site-
packages\spambayes\Options.py", line 557, in ?
    options.mergefilelike(d)
  File "C:\Program Files\Python22\Lib\site-
packages\spambayes\Options.py", line 517, in 
mergefilelike
    self._update()
  File "C:\Program Files\Python22\Lib\site-
packages\spambayes\Options.py", line 535, in _update
    value = getattr(c, fetcher)(section, option)
  File "C:\Program Files\Python22\lib\ConfigParser.py", 
line 306, in getfloat
    return self.__get(section, float, option)
  File "C:\Program Files\Python22\lib\ConfigParser.py", 
line 300, in __get
    return conv(self.get(section, option))
exceptions.ValueError: invalid literal for float(): 0.20


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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-13 08:45

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Can you please try the latest version from CVS - this bug
has been fixed (but is not yet in any of the binaries).  The
bigger issue we are dealing with can be tracked at
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=725466&group_id=61702&atid=498103




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From skip at pobox.com  Mon May 12 18:58:59 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon May 12 18:59:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes questions
In-Reply-To: <190729857649.20030513083734@getsoft.com>
References: <056b01c31832$3c818b20$530f8490@eden>
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	<140726241099.20030513073717@getsoft.com>
	<16064.7417.687631.115533@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<190729857649.20030513083734@getsoft.com>
Message-ID: <16064.10035.957777.317032@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    SM> Please, no.  SpamAssassin also only filters messages.  I recall
    SM> seeing it slammed in public forums because some system managers got
    SM> the bright idea to configure the downstream procmail to delete
    SM> messages whose scores were "high enough".  Naturally enough, SA got
    SM> blamed.  While we can't prevent sys admins from hanging themselves,
    SM> we ought to at least make them build the gallows and buy the rope.

    Neville> I would never suggest anyone else do this, however no one
    Neville> should stop me, if that's what I really want to do. Over a
    Neville> weekend I can easily get 100+ spam emails a day, with maybe 1
    Neville> or 2 ham mixed in. It is just a nightmare and enormous waist of
    Neville> time to manage.

That's why God invented procmail. ;-) Oh, that I only got 100 spams a day!
I think I've had a couple hundred unique spams (that is spams that don't
look "the same" to my procmail filters) in the last 10 hours.

    Neville> To be honest I really haven't considered what normal users may
    Neville> or may not be capable of, I'm selfishly just looking for a
    Neville> solution to my problem, one that many others I'm sure would
    Neville> like to use.

I think "temporarily_hide_spam" would be more likely to be used successfully
by mere mortals.

Skip

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon May 12 17:33:58 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 12 19:34:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-725466 ] Include a proper locale fix
	in Options.py
Message-ID: <E19FMnu-0005Xk-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #725466, was opened at 2003-04-22 18:07
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by anadelonbrin
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Include a proper locale fix in Options.py

Initial Comment:
When reading the options, the float() call fails when the 
locale is a language that uses a ',' for a separator 
instead of '.'.  This is hack-fixed in Outlook, but needs to 
be fixed in general.

I imagine that there must be some sort of locale call that 
will convert between the current locale and English, and 
that this should be called as the option is set.

Anyway, I'll get to this when I can.

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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-13 11:33

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I've checked in a partial fix, where I just set the locale back to 
(US) English after that call (to work it needs this one, and the 
one in addin.py, it seems).  It all seems to work ok now, but 
this is hardly a nice solution.

I had one problem.  (I changed my locale by using the XP 
control panel).
*  If I used locale.getlocale I received "de_DE".  If I tried to set 
the locale to this, I get a "locale setting not supported" error.

This meant that I couldn't try a nice solution that set the 
locale back to the local one.

My testing setup is pretty much gone now, but if I find time I'll 
play around with this again, unless you manage to.

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-11 06:35

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Damn.  IIRC, MAPI also changes the cwd.  I guess the
solution may be the same - check the locale before setting,
and reset explicitly afterwards.  It would be great if you
can check this while you are still setup to test, but
otherwise it can stay on my todo list :)

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-09 15:23

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Ok, I did more digging.  The locale set in addin.py isn't 
enough.  This line in msgstore.py screws up the locale:
        self.session = mapi.MAPILogonEx(0, None, None, 
logonFlags)
(it's in the __init__ of MAPIMsgStore; my line numbers are all 
screwed up).

(by 'screws up the locale', I mean that math.log(2) returns a 
number with a '.' decimal separator before it, and a ',' decimal 
separator afterwards).

I'll leave it to Mark to figure out what should be done.

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-09 15:15

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Ok, forget that, I've found a way I can reproduce a similar 
error.

This is definately Outlook specific, and definately cannot be 
fixed in the spambayes code, except by changing the locale 
to 'en' or 'c', or something similar.

Ignoring spambayes completely, and using the demo outlook 
plugin that comes with the win32com extensions, I printed 
out the results of math.log(2).  This should be "0.69314718056
" and not "0,69314718056".  I made this print statement 
pretty much every second line.  When adding, it always gives 
the correct answer.  As soon as Outlook is started up, it 
gives the wrong answer.

It's beyond me whether this is something that the win32com 
stuff does (although importing the extensions doesn't cause 
it), or if it's something that Outlook does, somehow.  No 
doubt you can answer that, Mark?  ;)

Anyway, unless a change to the win32com stuff occurs, this 
will have to remain in the spambayes Outlook code.  (The 
options stuff is a separate problem, and my fix for that should 
work).  It doesn't need to be outside the Outlook code though.

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-09 14:22

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What I don't understand is why I can't reproduce this error. If I 
make the same addition to manager.py, but use 'german'[1] 
as the locale, everything still works.  (It also still works if I 
make the change in addin.py where the other locale set is, 
and also if I change the locale to german in the windows 
control panel).

In addition, why does the import from PythonWin work?  
Surely this means (as mentioned) that something else that is 
imported is screwing up the locale setting before random gets 
imported - but then, shouldn't it do this on my machine, too?

Googling on this (NV_MAGICCONST) brings up lots of 
instances of the problem, but nothing in the way of a solution 
apart from setting the locale to 'en' or 'c' before the random 
import.  This really doesn't seem like the correct solution.

I really am tempted to try my luck with c.l.p for a solution, if 
there aren't any more ideas here.

[1] I can't set to "de_DE", I get a locale not supported 
error.  "german" does use ',' as the decimal separator, so it 
should be the same, though.

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Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-09 05:59

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Ok, I've got it working by setting the locale in the constructor 
of class BayesManager (manager.py):

[...]
        self.config_filename = config_base 
+ "_configuration.pck"

        print "locale: ", locale.getlocale()
        print "default locale: ", locale.getdefaultlocale()
        locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")

        # First read the configuration file.
[...]


Locale/default locale are both de_DE for me.


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Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-09 05:45

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>>> import locale
>>> locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")

'English_United States.1252'
>>> import random
>>> 

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-07 22:49

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What happens if you go into Pythonwin/IDLE, execute the
locale call mentioned, then import that module?

>>> import locale
>>> locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, "en")


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Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-07 21:42

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The import works fine both in IDLE and PythonWin. I suspect 
the handling of floats is somehow broken by something 
loaded by Outlook or Python Windows Extensions. But then I 
don't really know enough about the architecture to make 
educated guesses ...

Anyway I wonder why float handling at this low level seems to 
be locale dependent? Parsing text and converting to float is 
ok to be locale depedent, but doing calculations?

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-07 11:37

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This makes me wonder if the locale just needs to be set, but 
that seems too heavy-handed and ugly, really.

What happens if you just execute
>>> import random
from the interpreter (e.g. in PythonWin or IDLE)?

I suspect that you'll get the same trace, in which case this 
really should be fixed in random.py, not in Spambayes 
(although it would be easy enough to throw together a hack 
for it).

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Comment By: Stefan Gründel (sgruendel)
Date: 2003-05-07 02:18

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It seems like it's not enough to fix Options.py only. I did this 
and then got the following error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, args, 
None, None)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwargs, 
serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, dispid, lcid, 
wFlags, args, kwArgs, serviceProvider)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 
611, in OnConnection
    self.manager = manager.GetManager(application)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 335, in GetManager
    _mgr = BayesManager(outlook=outlook, verbose=verbose)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 79, in __init__
    import_core_spambayes_stuff(self.ini_filename)
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", 
line 53, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
    from spambayes.tokenizer import tokenize
  File "D:\util\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes\tokenizer.py", 
line 7, in ?
    import email.Message
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Message.py", line 14, in ?
    from email import Utils
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\email\Utils.py", line 10, in ?
    import random
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 93, in ?
    _verify('NV_MAGICCONST', NV_MAGICCONST, 
1.71552776992141)
  File "D:\dev\Python22\Lib\random.py", line 88, in _verify
    raise ValueError(
exceptions.ValueError: computed value for 
NV_MAGICCONST deviates too much (computed 2,82843, 
expected 1)



Obviously random.py uses ',' too!  I'm using german 
Windows/Outlook, if I can be of any help in testing, just drop 
me a mail.

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-04-24 18:30

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Options.py now uses locale.atoi and locale.atof to convert 
options.  I *think* this will solve this problem, but I'm not 
100%.

If someone could do some testing, that would be great.  I'm 
leaving open until I'm sure it's done.

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From tys at cs.ualberta.ca  Tue May 13 01:25:29 2003
From: tys at cs.ualberta.ca (Tys von Gaza)
Date: Tue May 13 02:26:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin Problems...
Message-ID: <000201c31918$7da15360$b5f2b38e@gaza>

I have been using the Outlook plugin on a CVS version dated from early
November of last year.  It has been working great but I finally decided
that I really should update the code.  I grabbed a CVS snap shot
yesterday, closed outlook, moved my old spambayes dir (this probably
caused the problems, btw I don't care about the database, can rebuild
it).  I then deleted all the old Spam fields from my folders (I remember
this was causing a problem for some people awhile back when the field
type changed or something) and ran the addin.py from the new code.

The plugin worked when I first ran Outlook.  However after running it
for the 2nd time SpamBayes no longer seems to load.  I can't get any
debug info from the Trace Collector (even when rerunning addin.py).

I remember there was some discussion a while back about some changes to
the Outlook plugin that caused problems when upgrading, I think I might
be running into these again.  Any ideas?

Thanks,

Tys von Gaza 
tys@cs.ualberta.ca



From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed May 14 00:45:03 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue May 13 09:45:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin Problems...
In-Reply-To: <000201c31918$7da15360$b5f2b38e@gaza>
Message-ID: <07a301c31955$dcaee5b0$530f8490@eden>

> I remember there was some discussion a while back about some
> changes to
> the Outlook plugin that caused problems when upgrading, I
> think I might
> be running into these again.  Any ideas?

There are no known problems that will cause completely silent failure.  Are
you sure that the old Outlook process terminated?  There should always be a
startup message in the log, so completely silent is a new one on me.  Did
you try re-running "addin.py"?  If all else fails, does running, say
"Outlook2000\train.py" from the command-line work?

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed May 14 01:03:53 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue May 13 10:04:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem getting the filter to register the add in
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIFFNCLPGJGOKJOBEMELKCDAA.m.leck@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <07ab01c31958$7d4fe3f0$530f8490@eden>

> I have the following problem with getting the filter to run
> on my desktop
>
> I am using Outlook 2000 (9.0.0.2711).
>
> I followed the link from
> http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes
> and downloaded the exe file and ran it. The Add-In was installed into
> Outlook and appears in the 'COMM Add Ins' section of the
> Tools->Options menu
> but is not ticked and every time I tick it and re open the box it is
> unticked again. I tried to register the dll manually at this
> point and get
> an error when trying to register - 'DllRegisterServer in
> spambayes_addin.dll
> failed. Return code was 0xc0000005'.

Please see the "About.html" file, and try and locate a log file for the
session.  (The regsvr32 failing is a mystery though, but one step at a time
:)

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed May 14 01:12:03 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue May 13 10:12:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Does anyone care about this report?
In-Reply-To: <uznlsdg7w.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
Message-ID: <07ae01c31959$a16e4cd0$530f8490@eden>

> I spent considerable time preparing this several weeks ago, with the
> promise that it would be made available somewhere that would be of
> use to people... but got no reply.

I'm sure I would find it useful if I used imap <wink>.  I am an admin on the
project though and can make changes to the web pages.  However, like
everyone I'm short on time to think <0.1 wink>.  Do you have a suggestion
for what the best thing to do with this is?  I'd be happy to add a link to
it, or include it directly, just say the word (and saying the word in a
patch against the web pages in CVS would be perfect!)

> I'd also appreciate it if someone could address the question at the
> end.

I think that the question can be paraphrased as "what bad things can happen
if 2 spambayes processes are simultaneously reading from and writing to the
same spambayes database?".  If that is correct, I'm afraid I don't even know
where to start <wink>

Mark.


From jmrodri at nc.rr.com  Tue May 13 11:36:26 2003
From: jmrodri at nc.rr.com (Jesus M. Rodriguez)
Date: Tue May 13 10:36:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3proxy.py startup script
In-Reply-To: <07ae01c31959$a16e4cd0$530f8490@eden>
References: <07ae01c31959$a16e4cd0$530f8490@eden>
Message-ID: <3EC102EA.2000407@nc.rr.com>

Has anyone been able to get the pop3proxy.py to start at boot time?  I'm
using Red Hat Linux 8.0.  I want to have it run on my Linux server while
my Windows clients use the Linux server as their POP3 proxy. I've tried
creating a script in init.d and running chkconfig --add pop3proxy.  But
when I try /etc/init.d/pop3proxy start I get a message stating Starting
pop3proxy then it sits there.  I need it to return to the command prompt
so that other scripts can continue to start.  I tried adding an
ampersand & after the command:

daemon pop3proxy.py -l 110 -u 8880  other params &

This got it started, but then /etc/init.d/pop3proxy stop wouldn't work.
  Any help would greatly be appreciated.

Sincerely,
Jesus Rodriguez




From seant at webreply.com  Tue May 13 14:52:49 2003
From: seant at webreply.com (Sean True)
Date: Tue May 13 14:00:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin -- Blatant, vaguely commercial offer.
Message-ID: <MJEHLHJKGINLONDMMKNEIEKKKMAA.seant@webreply.com>

Well, sort of commercial.

After some initial conversation with Mark Hammond, and considerable
jawboning from my own internal customers,
I've been working on a productized version of the Outlook plugin, code named
SpamAtBay. It has had some UI work, and documentation changes, and some
significant functional changes (see the CHANGES.txt) below.

We're making an effort to QA the resultant codebase on Windows 98, ME, NT4,
2000, and XP and against Outlook 2000, 2002, XP and 2003. At this point only
Outlook 2003 is a known non starter.

Anyone who is a contributor to SpamBayes gets a license to the shipping
product, for their own use, for the asking. Any one else who reads this and
asks in the next few weeks can get a beta version, and a license for the
shipping product just for helping with the beta process. Just send me email:

seant@webreply.com

I should point out: the core performance of the system is unchanged: it
works no better (and, I hope) no worse than SpamBayes for detecting spam.
It's our hope, however, that we can get over the "Can Tim's sister use it?"
barrier.

The databases should be upward compatible, and we currently use the same
GUID and registry keys
as the basic plugin. The database should also be backwards compatible,
although that is untested.

This project is certainly not endorsed by Mark, but he didn't tell me to
soak my head, either.
The embarassingly small number of bug fixes we've sent him indicate how good
his part of this is.
Any remaining problems are likely to be introduced by me!

I should add, I suppose, that additional code, documentation, and databases
are copyright and are not available as part of the open source release. We
will contribute back as many bug fixes as we can.

-- Sean

CHANGES:

Release 1.0 Beta Candidate 5 (0.94)
1) Addresses shutdown issues with lingering Outlook
2) Internal logging and profiling support
3) Initial detection logic for Outlook 2003 (not supported)
4) Addresses some potential issues in Outlook security model
5) Sets registration friendly name and description
6) Changes "Show spam clues" format to be user friendly tables
7) Improvements to the setup wizard.
8) Whitelist/blacklist senders and domains

Release 1.0 Beta Candidate 4 (0.93)
1) Support saving and loading database
2) Setup wizard framework now can invoke dialogs
3) Detect (and work with) more versions of the Outlook/Office com interface
4) Save database right after "Learn from scratch" training
5) Cleaner preflight results display

Release 1.0 Beta Candidate 3 (0.92)
1) Added preflight check for platform and Outlook compatibility
2) Added framework for setup wizard.
3) Build with release Python 2.2.2
4) Minor bug patch in test suite code (not exposed)
5) Added TechSupportMail item
6) Added Help menu item

Release 1.0 Beta Candidate 2 (0.91)
1) Updated bitmaps and docs
2) Added RegistrationDialog and 14-day trial logic
3) Added readme.html
4) Added "About" Menu item
5) Simplified training options
6) Simplified quarantine options
7) Added pretrained adult, health, and money spam

Release 1.0 Beta Candidate 1 (0.90)
1) Naming and documentation changes.
2) Layout dialogs for improved workflow
3) Build script changes for Webreply environment

Snapshot at 4/23/2003


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Tue May 13 12:16:37 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Tue May 13 14:16:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-736677 ] Outlook add-in fails to load
	in Outlook 2002 (XP)
Message-ID: <E19FeKL-0007Dx-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #736677, was opened at 2003-05-12 23:14
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by ollieuk
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Closed
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Oliver Carr (ollieuk)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook add-in fails to load in Outlook 2002 (XP)

Initial Comment:
When trying to load the Outlook Add-in in Outlook 2002, 
this fails, pulling down all other installed COM Add-ins 
at the same time. The toolbar extensions (drop-down 
menu etc.( are not displayed.
Outlook reports the following error for the Binary add-
in: "Not loaded. A runtime error occured during the 
loading of the COM add-in."
This behaviour is reproducible for both the Binary, as for 
the Source Code versions.
This behaviour is independent of the user logged on.
Platform: WinXP Pro SP1, Office XP SP2, spambayes 
1.02a / Binary 002.
Here is the trace, the log file from the binary is 
attatched:
Outlook Spam Addin module loading
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration 
file 'E:\Downloads\Web\spambayes-1.0a2\spambayes-
1.0a2\Outlook2000\default_configuration.pck'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, 
args, None, None)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in 
_InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, 
kwargs, serviceProvider)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in 
_invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, 
dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwArgs, serviceProvider)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python22\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in 
_invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "E:\Downloads\Web\spambayes-1.0a2
\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 611, in 
OnConnection
    self.manager = manager.GetManager(application)
  File "E:\Downloads\Web\spambayes-1.0a2
\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 335, 
in GetManager
    _mgr = BayesManager(outlook=outlook, 
verbose=verbose)
  File "E:\Downloads\Web\spambayes-1.0a2
\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 79, 
in __init__
    import_core_spambayes_stuff(self.ini_filename)
  File "E:\Downloads\Web\spambayes-1.0a2
\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 46, 
in import_core_spambayes_stuff
    from spambayes import classifier
  File "C:\Program Files\Python22\Lib\site-
packages\spambayes\classifier.py", line 40, in ?
    from spambayes.Options import options
  File "C:\Program Files\Python22\Lib\site-
packages\spambayes\Options.py", line 557, in ?
    options.mergefilelike(d)
  File "C:\Program Files\Python22\Lib\site-
packages\spambayes\Options.py", line 517, in 
mergefilelike
    self._update()
  File "C:\Program Files\Python22\Lib\site-
packages\spambayes\Options.py", line 535, in _update
    value = getattr(c, fetcher)(section, option)
  File "C:\Program Files\Python22\lib\ConfigParser.py", 
line 306, in getfloat
    return self.__get(section, float, option)
  File "C:\Program Files\Python22\lib\ConfigParser.py", 
line 300, in __get
    return conv(self.get(section, option))
exceptions.ValueError: invalid literal for float(): 0.20


----------------------------------------------------------------------

>Comment By: Oliver Carr (ollieuk)
Date: 2003-05-13 20:16

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=774723

Just installed the current CVS version, and it works! 
Thanx,
Oliver

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-13 00:45

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Can you please try the latest version from CVS - this bug
has been fixed (but is not yet in any of the binaries).  The
bigger issue we are dealing with can be tracked at
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From DavidA at ActiveState.com  Tue May 13 12:56:11 2003
From: DavidA at ActiveState.com (David Ascher)
Date: Tue May 13 14:56:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin -- Blatant, vaguely commercial offer.
In-Reply-To: <MJEHLHJKGINLONDMMKNEIEKKKMAA.seant@webreply.com>
References: <MJEHLHJKGINLONDMMKNEIEKKKMAA.seant@webreply.com>
Message-ID: <3EC13FCB.1070306@ActiveState.com>

Sean True wrote:
> Well, sort of commercial.
> 
> After some initial conversation with Mark Hammond, and considerable
> jawboning from my own internal customers,
> I've been working on a productized version of the Outlook plugin, code named
> SpamAtBay. It has had some UI work, and documentation changes, and some
> significant functional changes (see the CHANGES.txt) below.

I AM STUNNED.

I just got individually spammed by you (as probably everyone on spambayes 
did?), asking me to download software which:

    - is not clearly advertised as commercial or not
    - does not give specific credit to SpamBayes

I'm absolutely stunned that you would do such a thing.  While my bias would 
have been to say 'yeah!' to a commercialization of SpamBayes and the outlook 
plugin, I will most definitely stay away from your product, if you don't 
understand the basic definition of spam, I'm afraid I can't trust you.

--david


From ark3 at email.com  Tue May 13 15:58:51 2003
From: ark3 at email.com (Abhay Saxena)
Date: Tue May 13 14:59:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training via IMAP Filter
Message-ID: <EFA33088-8574-11D7-B809-00039345DE8C@email.com>

Congratulations on all your great work so far. I'm in the "long time 
listener, first time caller" category, so to speak (Tim Peters: I'm the 
guy who shook your hands -- yes, both of them -- at the recent PyCon).

I have a pretty basic email setup: UW IMAP running on FreeBSD 4.7 or 
so. I decided to follow David Abrahams' guide, since his setup is not 
that different from mine. I was able to set up hammiefilter.py using 
procmail very easily, but training using imapfilter.py has turned out 
to be a little more difficult. Let me ask some (hopefully) easy 
questions now. I can get into the details of the trouble I'm having 
later, if it turns out to be necessary.

1. Has anyone tested imapfilter.py with UW IMAP 
(http://www.washington.edu/imap/)? I've included a snippet of server 
output below.

2. Have there been any (important) changes to imaplib since 2.2.2? Some 
stuff that I expected to work didn't work; I'm not sure if that's due 
to a bug or due to changes in imaplib. I'll elaborate if it becomes an 
issue.

3. Why would imapfilter.py try to modify the contents of my IMAP 
folders if all I'm asking for is training? In particular, when I run 
training, it starts with my inbox and immediately chokes on an 
imap.append(...). I find that a duplicate of the first message has 
appeared in my inbox.

To clarify: I'm not trying to figure out why it chokes; obviously I 
haven't provided you enough information. I simply would like to know 
why imapfilter.py is doing an imap.append(...) for what seems to me to 
be a read-only operation.

Thanks for your help.

   - Abhay


* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS AUTH=LOGIN] 
localhost IMAP4rev1 2002.332 at Tue, 13 May 2003 14:43:48 -0400 (EDT)

Python 2.2.2 (#1, Jan 15 2003, 03:26:24)
[GCC 2.95.4 20020320 [FreeBSD]] on freebsd4


From seant at webreply.com  Tue May 13 16:24:53 2003
From: seant at webreply.com (Sean True)
Date: Tue May 13 15:29:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin -- Blatant, vaguely commercial offer.
In-Reply-To: <3EC13FCB.1070306@ActiveState.com>
Message-ID: <MJEHLHJKGINLONDMMKNEEEMOKMAA.seant@webreply.com>

Actually, there were two email messages: one to the list, through the
moderator, and pretty clear in intent and content; and a second to 135
people selected from my personal Outlook contact folder. Of the Pythonistas
(and SB-ers), that included you (David), Mark Hammond, and Tim Peters. The
second mail was much less technical and detailed -- it's intended for my
brother in law as well as my head hunter and former boss. It's an open
question whether my sending mail to that list is spam, but my personal
opinion is that I have corresponded with everyone I sent it to, and I
thought everyone of them might be interested.

Clearly, I stepped on your toes. Anyone else offended?

-- Sean

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Ascher [mailto:DavidA@ActiveState.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 2:56 PM
> To: Sean True
> Cc: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin -- Blatant, vaguely commercial
> offer.
>
>
> Sean True wrote:
> > Well, sort of commercial.
> >
> > After some initial conversation with Mark Hammond, and considerable
> > jawboning from my own internal customers,
> > I've been working on a productized version of the Outlook
> plugin, code named
> > SpamAtBay. It has had some UI work, and documentation changes, and some
> > significant functional changes (see the CHANGES.txt) below.
>
> I AM STUNNED.
>
> I just got individually spammed by you (as probably everyone on spambayes
> did?), asking me to download software which:
>
>     - is not clearly advertised as commercial or not
>     - does not give specific credit to SpamBayes
>
> I'm absolutely stunned that you would do such a thing.  While my
> bias would
> have been to say 'yeah!' to a commercialization of SpamBayes and
> the outlook
> plugin, I will most definitely stay away from your product, if you don't
> understand the basic definition of spam, I'm afraid I can't trust you.
>
> --david
>
>


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 14 11:25:04 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 13 18:27:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin -- Blatant, vaguely commercial offer.
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13019790F2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I just got individually spammed by you (as probably everyone 
> on spambayes did?), asking me to download software which:
> 
>     - is not clearly advertised as commercial or not
>     - does not give specific credit to SpamBayes

Did you read the message?  It does both of these.

> if you don't 
> understand the basic definition of spam, I'm afraid I can't trust you.

Well, there isn't really a basic definition of spam.  That's the whole
point of a filter that has a personal database.  But, for discussion,
let's use "unsolicited commercial email" as a definition.  This *was*
soliticited.  I signed up for this list to find out and discuss the
spambayes system.  A product that uses it is of interest to me, whether
I will use it or not.

It was *maybe* commercial.  The email didn't try and get us to buy
anything - in fact, it offered the software for free[1].  It wasn't
trying to sell the product - it said that it only does as well as the
stuff we're all using for free.  It pointed out what the differences
were, and who might be interested [2].

It was email, so it gets about 1.5 out of 3 in the UCE definition.
Hardly spam.

As a more trivial definition, for me the message scored 1.78191e-013.
Even my false negatives aren't that low.

=Tony Meyer

[1] Conditions applied ;)  Go read it.
[2] Tim's sister ;)

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 14 11:39:58 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 13 18:40:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training via IMAP Filter
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130197910C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> 1. Has anyone tested imapfilter.py with UW IMAP 
> (http://www.washington.edu/imap/)?

Not AFAIK.  As you might have noticed, the IMAP filter is pretty new
still.  It's only been tested with 5 servers that I know of (the
archives have the names, which I can't recall offhand).  That one
doesn't ring a bell.

On the other hand, the last major change that I made was aimed at making
the filter *much* more in line with the RFC (yes, I should have done
this in the first place).  That did end up fixing most of the problems -
people implementing servers make some *strange* choices ;)  So if it
follows the RFC, it shouldn't have any problems.

> 2. Have there been any (important) changes to imaplib since 
> 2.2.2?

Yes, but none that should effect the filter, unless you are trying to
use SSL [1].  Compared to the latest cvs, imaplib has:
  *  IMAP over SSL
  *  Fixed the crlf bug (see the archives of this list).  We also fix
it, so no worries there.
  *  Lots of little changes that are semantic only, really.

> Some stuff that I expected to work didn't work; I'm not sure if
> that's due to a bug or due to changes in imaplib. I'll elaborate
> if it becomes an issue.

It's unlikely to be due to changes in imaplib.  Please elaborate!

> 3. Why would imapfilter.py try to modify the contents of my IMAP 
> folders if all I'm asking for is training? In particular, when I run 
> training, it starts with my inbox and immediately chokes on an 
> imap.append(...). I find that a duplicate of the first message has 
> appeared in my inbox.

Because it adds a header to your mail so that it can keep track of it.
IMAP doesn't have any method of tracking mail persistently.  There is a
unique ID, but this can change.  To get around this, we add our own
unique id in a "X-Spambayes-MailId" header.  It will only do this the
first time it sees a message, so next time you train, only new messages
will be altered.

If it's not working, then please submit a bug with details - I'll try
and get to fixing it ASAP (although this is a busy RL week).  With the
number of ways that IMAP is implemented, the only way to do full testing
is to have people with different servers report any problems that they
have.

=Tony Meyer

[1] As the check-in message said (and the comments do, too), SSL is
completely untested, because it is only available in Python post-2.2.2,
and I don't have that (installed) at the moment.

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 14 11:55:34 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 13 18:56:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin -- Blatant, vaguely commercial offer.
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130197912B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> code named SpamAtBay.

Cute name :)

> Anyone who is a contributor to SpamBayes gets a license to 
> the shipping product, for their own use, for the asking.

Thanks for this, although personally I doubt I will take this up since
it doesn't seem to offer me anything I don't already have and would get
in the way of testing.

> It's our hope, however, that we 
> can get over the "Can Tim's sister use it?" barrier.

I would have thought that the Outlook plugin was the one spambayes app
that was already over that barrier, although I suppose the setup could
be a bit simpler.  Now if you had an Outlook *Express* plugin, that
would be something <wink>.

> The embarrassingly small 
> number of bug fixes we've sent him indicate how good his part 
> of this is.

Have you looked at the number still open on SF?  <wink>

Seriously, most of these are pretty minor, but it would be interesting
to know if you've resolved the locale problem and the
messages-jump-back-to-unread problem.  I suspect not, since you probably
would have given these back to Mark.

Queries re: the changes - if answering any of these would give too much
away, just say so, although I suspect I could figure out the answers
just by running it.

> 5) Simplified training options
Simplified in what way?  Just in terms of picking folders, or something
like training on all incoming mail?

> 6) Simplified quarantine options
Quarantine being a Tim's-sister word for filtering into a spam folder?
I'm curious about the details of this, too.  Is it something as simple
as a delayed delete?

> 7) Added pretrained adult, health, and money spam
Ah, the eternal presupplied database debate ;)  Are these in one
supplied database, six, or three that you can somehow combine?  Is using
it optional, or just the way it comes?

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 14 11:58:30 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 13 18:59:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130197912E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I installed the 1.0a2 from sourceforge yesterday and I use 
> the pop3proxy so my Eudora now connects to localhost instead.
> Yesterday everything was working fine and no errors reported. 
> Great work guys! Today I get this errors:
[...]
> Any ideas what this might mean or what I have done to deserve this?

It's difficult to tell.  It looks like it might be a problem with the
database.  Is your hammie.db file still in the right place?  You might
try deleting[1] this file and seeing if that fixes it (if it doesn't,
just undelete it).

=Tony Meyer

[1] By "delete", I mean put it somewhere else so that you can get it
back.  The recycle bin is the obvious candidate.  I don't mean delete it
permanently.

From starpilot at sol3.net  Tue May 13 18:11:37 2003
From: starpilot at sol3.net (StarPilot)
Date: Tue May 13 19:07:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie here!!!
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130197912B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <011801c319a5$01db66c0$c802a8c0@sol3.int>

I am a long term developer (started in 1976) but have never been on
SourceForge or used Python.  I am a MS developer (Classic and .NET) as
well as an applications integrator.  So, the techie stuff does not
bother me.

I run Outlook 2002 with 9 POP3 accounts.  I do not run 9 profiles with 1
POP3 account each - I have *9* active POP3 accounts being tagged every
time Outlook refreshes.

My wife and kids also have their own computers with anywhere from 1
account (youngest) to 4 accounts (wife).

How do I set all of this up to work with mine and my family's systems?

Keith Barrows
www.ASPAdvice.com


From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue May 13 20:08:39 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue May 13 19:10:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin -- Blatant, vaguely commercial offer.
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13019790F2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHCEOBFKAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[David Ascher]
>> I just got individually spammed by you (as probably everyone
>> on spambayes did?), asking me to download software which:
>>
>>     - is not clearly advertised as commercial or not
>>     - does not give specific credit to SpamBayes

[Tony Meyer]
> Did you read the message?  It does both of these.

As Sean said later, some of us got two msgs.  The second wasn't sent to the
spambayes list, and, for example, doesn't mention spambayes.  (Which didn't
happen to bother me, but David was factually correct there; I believe that
most people on the spambayes list didn't get the second msg.)

> ...
> As a more trivial definition, for me the message scored 1.78191e-013.
> Even my false negatives aren't that low.

The msg to the spambayes list scored 1.54654e-013 for me.  The second msg
scored 0.194474, hugging my unsure threshold of 0.20.  A msg from Sean is a
strong ham indicator in my database, else it would have scored higher.  But
even without the "Sean sent it" clues, it wouldn't have gotten above my spam
threshold, so spambayes believes the status of that msg is debatable.
There's just no fighting this Scientifically Objective result <wink>.

> ...
> [2] Tim's sister ;)

She agrees with all of us, of course.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 14 12:11:19 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 13 19:12:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie here!!!
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301979151@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> How do I set all of this up to work with mine and my family's systems?

The easiest thing to do is to download the Outlook plugin from Mark's
webpage (there's a link on spambayes.org) and run the installer.  Then
you just need to create a folder for unsure messages, and one for spam
(if you don't have one already).  Choose "Anti-Spam Manager" from the
"Anti-Spam" toolbar item, and enter in the relevant data.  (The readme
has more).

If your family are also using Outlook, then it's the same process.  (It
doesn't matter how many accounts are setup in Outlook.  I have one
Exchange and nine POP/SMTP accounts myself).

If they're not using Outlook, then it gets trickier.  Let us know what
mail program it is and we can give pointers to installing spambayes (the
POP3 proxy, most likely.

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed May 14 10:13:51 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue May 13 19:14:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie here!!!
In-Reply-To: <011801c319a5$01db66c0$c802a8c0@sol3.int>
Message-ID: <086601c319a5$51ba2dc0$530f8490@eden>

> I run Outlook 2002 with 9 POP3 accounts.  I do not run 9
> profiles with 1
> POP3 account each - I have *9* active POP3 accounts being tagged every
> time Outlook refreshes.
>
> My wife and kids also have their own computers with anywhere from 1
> account (youngest) to 4 accounts (wife).
>
> How do I set all of this up to work with mine and my family's systems?

You simply use the Outlook extension.  Each pop account will simply drop the
items in the inbox, where SpamBayes will process them.  There should be no
problem at all.

Ditto for the family, assuming they too use outlook.

Mark.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 14 12:14:16 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 13 19:14:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin -- Blatant, vaguely commercial offer.
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301979156@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> As Sean said later, some of us got two msgs.  The second 
> wasn't sent to the spambayes list, and, for example, doesn't 
> mention spambayes.  (Which didn't happen to bother me, but 
> David was factually correct there; I believe that most people 
> on the spambayes list didn't get the second msg.)

This makes more sense.  The confusing thing was that the reply to the
personal message was sent to the list, then.

> There's just no fighting this Scientifically 
> Objective result <wink>.

Obviously, the correct definition of spam is "messages that score above
the spam threshold in spambayes".  Those using other systems will just
have to install spambayes to figure out if it's spam or not ;)

=Tony Meyer

From starpilot at sol3.net  Tue May 13 18:28:24 2003
From: starpilot at sol3.net (StarPilot)
Date: Tue May 13 19:23:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie here!!!
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301979151@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <012401c319a7$59ed42a0$c802a8c0@sol3.int>

OK.  Sounds <cough/> simple enough.  Next question - where is the right
URL for the right downloads on sourceforge?  (I did not bookmark it and
am swimming in links)...

We are all using Outlook 2000 or 2002.

Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:11 PM
To: starpilot@sol3.net; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Newbie here!!!


> How do I set all of this up to work with mine and my family's systems?

The easiest thing to do is to download the Outlook plugin from Mark's
webpage (there's a link on spambayes.org) and run the installer.  Then
you just need to create a folder for unsure messages, and one for spam
(if you don't have one already).  Choose "Anti-Spam Manager" from the
"Anti-Spam" toolbar item, and enter in the relevant data.  (The readme
has more).

If your family are also using Outlook, then it's the same process.  (It
doesn't matter how many accounts are setup in Outlook.  I have one
Exchange and nine POP/SMTP accounts myself).

If they're not using Outlook, then it gets trickier.  Let us know what
mail program it is and we can give pointers to installing spambayes (the
POP3 proxy, most likely.

=Tony Meyer


From David.Bear at asu.edu  Tue May 13 17:22:56 2003
From: David.Bear at asu.edu (David Bear)
Date: Tue May 13 19:24:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] using outlook addin
In-Reply-To: <"from mhammond"@skippinet.com.au>
References: <011801c319a5$01db66c0$c802a8c0@sol3.int>
	<086601c319a5$51ba2dc0$530f8490@eden>
Message-ID: <20030513162256.A1682@asu.edu>

I installed spambayes on win2k from scratch.. first installing python,
then win32all, then spambayes source..  Then I ran the addin.py and
noticed that it only seem to add spambayes to the 'current' outlook
profile., ie I logged out, then back in as another user, and outlook
did not have the magic spam buttons.  So I ran addin.py again as that
use.  This added the buttons and all SEEMS well.  I was just wondering
if this is standard behavior.. ie does addin.py only affect the
currently logged on outlook profile?

-- 
David Bear
phone: 	480-965-8257
fax: 	480-965-9189
College of Public Programs/ASU
Wilson Hall 232
Tempe, AZ 85287-0803
 "Beware the IP portfolio, it will make criminals out of innovators"

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed May 14 10:27:20 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue May 13 19:28:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie here!!!
In-Reply-To: <012401c319a7$59ed42a0$c802a8c0@sol3.int>
Message-ID: <086701c319a7$33d5fa80$530f8490@eden>

http://spambayes.org should set you right!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of StarPilot
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 May 2003 9:28 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Newbie here!!!
> 
> 
> OK.  Sounds <cough/> simple enough.  Next question - where is 
> the right
> URL for the right downloads on sourceforge?  (I did not 
> bookmark it and
> am swimming in links)...
> 
> We are all using Outlook 2000 or 2002.
> 
> Keith
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:11 PM
> To: starpilot@sol3.net; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Newbie here!!!
> 
> 
> > How do I set all of this up to work with mine and my 
> family's systems?
> 
> The easiest thing to do is to download the Outlook plugin from Mark's
> webpage (there's a link on spambayes.org) and run the installer.  Then
> you just need to create a folder for unsure messages, and one for spam
> (if you don't have one already).  Choose "Anti-Spam Manager" from the
> "Anti-Spam" toolbar item, and enter in the relevant data.  (The readme
> has more).
> 
> If your family are also using Outlook, then it's the same 
> process.  (It
> doesn't matter how many accounts are setup in Outlook.  I have one
> Exchange and nine POP/SMTP accounts myself).
> 
> If they're not using Outlook, then it gets trickier.  Let us know what
> mail program it is and we can give pointers to installing 
> spambayes (the
> POP3 proxy, most likely.
> 
> =Tony Meyer
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> 

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 14 12:28:17 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 13 19:28:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie here!!!
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130197916F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> OK.  Sounds <cough/> simple enough.  Next question - where is 
> the right URL for the right downloads on sourceforge?  (I did 
> not bookmark it and am swimming in links)...

The one you need to remember is http://spambayes.org.

The actual download page for the Outlook plugin is here:
http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes/

(there is also a link here:
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/download.html
)

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed May 14 10:30:04 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue May 13 19:30:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] using outlook addin
In-Reply-To: <20030513162256.A1682@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <086801c319a7$95a4bc60$530f8490@eden>

> I installed spambayes on win2k from scratch.. first installing python,
> then win32all, then spambayes source..  Then I ran the addin.py and
> noticed that it only seem to add spambayes to the 'current' outlook
> profile., ie I logged out, then back in as another user, and outlook
> did not have the magic spam buttons.  So I ran addin.py again as that
> use.  This added the buttons and all SEEMS well.  I was just wondering
> if this is standard behavior.. ie does addin.py only affect the
> currently logged on outlook profile?

Outlook addins are registered under "HKEY_CURRENT_USER" in the registry.
Thus, my understanding is that installing it will work for all profiles for
the current user, but not profiles for different users.

If you can find documentation on how a plugin can install itself for all
users, I would be happy to make the hacks.

Mark.


From starpilot at sol3.net  Tue May 13 18:38:51 2003
From: starpilot at sol3.net (StarPilot)
Date: Tue May 13 19:34:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie here!!!
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130197916F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <012c01c319a8$cfc9b9d0$c802a8c0@sol3.int>

OK.  Got that download and I noticed another one that he said was
required (?) - installer_mh.zip...

Do I need Python?
Where do I get it?
(What is it?)
Will it screw up my dev box (Win2k Server, .NET 2003, VS6, etc)?
What order, and exactly what all, is needed?  

The reason I am asking is the docs seem to hint at needing "other stuff"
but assumes that everyone reading it is up-to-date on all of the
infrastructure of setting this app up...

Keith


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 14 12:37:44 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 13 19:38:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie here!!!
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130197917C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> OK.  Got that download and I noticed another one that he said 
> was required (?) - installer_mh.zip...

It's not required.  It's just something else he offers.

> Do I need Python?
Not for the Outlook binary plugin that you downloaded.  For any other
spambayes app, yes.  Outlook is lucky like that. [1]

> Where do I get it?
http://python.org.

> (What is it?)
A programming language.

> Will it screw up my dev box (Win2k Server, .NET 2003, VS6, 
> etc)?
No.

> What order, and exactly what all, is needed?
Just the installer that you downloaded.

> The reason I am asking is the docs seem to hint at needing 
> "other stuff" but assumes that everyone reading it is 
> up-to-date on all of the infrastructure of setting this app up...

Going over the docs is on the to-do list ;)  It's probably additionally
confusing since everything *else* does need you to install Python, and
they were written when there wasn't an Outlook binary.

=Tony Meyer

[1] Well, not because of luck, but because Mark put the effort into
making the installer...

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed May 14 10:38:17 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue May 13 19:50:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie here!!!
In-Reply-To: <012c01c319a8$cfc9b9d0$c802a8c0@sol3.int>
Message-ID: <087001c319a8$bb7764f0$530f8490@eden>

> OK.  Got that download and I noticed another one that he said was
> required (?) - installer_mh.zip...

Sorry - I should make the page more clear.  You only need installer_mh.zip
if you want to build your own binary release.

> Do I need Python?

Not for the binary, no.

> Where do I get it?
> (What is it?)

The programming language used by this project - but the binary install has
everything you need.

> Will it screw up my dev box (Win2k Server, .NET 2003, VS6, etc)?

More than likely <wink>

> What order, and exactly what all, is needed?
>
> The reason I am asking is the docs seem to hint at needing
> "other stuff"
> but assumes that everyone reading it is up-to-date on all of the
> infrastructure of setting this app up...

Just run the installer .EXE - that is it.

Mark.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 14 13:18:57 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 13 20:19:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Web Interface enhancements
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13019791B8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> First in "Review messages" can the "To:" account be 
> displayed. I'm using 6 accounts and it would help me to know 
> which account an email is destined to.

I'll add this as an option.  I can see that it would be useful, but the
display is already pretty wide.  With To: as well, it'll fix in 1024x768
(maximised), but anything smaller and there will be a lot of scrolling
left and right.

[...]

Done (in cvs).  The option is "html_ui":"display_to", which you can set
to True in your config file (either manually, or via the config page).

> And again in "Review messages" a return to "Review messages" 
> option would be nice in the "Trained" page. At present you 
> have to "Return Home" and then click "Review messages" again. 
> Even better would be to return to "Review messages" after 
> pressing "Train" and include a "Refresh" option, then I could 
> just happily sit in "Review messages".

At the moment, it does return to the review page, but with the "trained"
bit at the top.  I can see that a "refresh" button would be useful
(since using the browser's refresh would try to retrain).  I'll add
this.

[...]

Done (in cvs).  The refresh button is normally between the "previous
day" and "today" buttons (which might be disabled).  If you train
everything and get to the "no untrained messages" page, there is a link
"check again".  I worry a little that this might make people think that
it checks for mail on the server, which it doesn't (the mail program
needs to do that).  Thoughts?

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 14 13:21:04 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 13 20:21:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Web Interface enhancements
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13019791BA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Done (in cvs).  The refresh button is normally between the "previous
> day" and "today" buttons (which might be disabled).
            ^^^^^
I meant "next day", of course...

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 14 13:27:59 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 13 20:31:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Does anyone care about this report?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13019791C2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I spent considerable time preparing this several weeks ago, 
> with the promise that it would be made available somewhere 
> that would be of use to people... but got no reply.

TimS was going to add it, but has been busy with RL stuff over the last
couple of weeks.  I hadn't bothered because I knew he was going to get
to it eventually.  If Mark doesn't get to it, I'll add it once you've
answered the "include" or "include link" question that he asked.

> I'd also appreciate it if someone could address the question at the
end.
I read it all, including the question, and even started to reply, and
then decided that I didn't really know enough about what I was talking
about to answer it, so left it for someone else.

I'm pretty sure that Alex is right and Spambayes does no locking.  My
answer would be the same as his, I think, in that I don't think it
should matter, but that I don't know enough about the db stuff to be
certain.  I think Mark knows something about it, and TimS is figuring it
out at the moment, I think, but I don't know who the expert is.

I'm especially unclear because of the way you're mixing different
components to get the desired effect.  Sorry I didn't answer, it's just
that I really don't think I'm contributing any wisdom to this.

=Tony Meyer

From Greg at springcreek.cc  Tue May 13 19:41:43 2003
From: Greg at springcreek.cc (Greg Lozier)
Date: Tue May 13 21:27:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installation Error
Message-ID: <OMEKJCAGJJMGLFBANMEEGEPJCBAA.Greg@springcreek.cc>

I installed spambayes today and while installing I received an error message
that there is no disk in the drive.  Please insert a disk into drive
\device\harddisk1\dr3.  I cancel the error message it finish loading.  It is
operational in outlook 2000 now, but when I start outlook I get the above
error message.  After hitting cancel a few times it will go away and outlook
will load.

What is causing this error?

Thanks,
Greg


From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue May 13 23:43:51 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue May 13 22:45:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installation Error
In-Reply-To: <OMEKJCAGJJMGLFBANMEEGEPJCBAA.Greg@springcreek.cc>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEJCEFAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Greg Lozier]
> I installed spambayes today and while installing I received an
> error message that there is no disk in the drive.  Please insert a
> disk into drive \device\harddisk1\dr3.  I cancel the error message it
> finish loading.  It is operational in outlook 2000 now, but when I
> start outlook I get the above error message.  After hitting cancel
> a few times it will go away and outlook will load.
>
> What is causing this error?

Sorry, beats me -- never heard of anything like this, and it's hard to
imagine how it's *possible*.  Which version of Windows was this?  Do you, by
any chance, run a Windows version of XEmacs?  (I ask this because the top
hit on a google search for "harddisk1" is a thread about problems with

    No disk in device\harddisk1\dr1

error msgs popping up after installing an old version of XEmacs.  They
solved the problem by assigning their Zip drive to a different letter.
Google turns up several other hits on installation programs triggering this
bizarre msg too; I didn't find a satisfying explanation.)


From starpilot at sol3.net  Tue May 13 22:16:53 2003
From: starpilot at sol3.net (StarPilot)
Date: Tue May 13 23:12:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie here!!!
In-Reply-To: <087001c319a8$bb7764f0$530f8490@eden>
Message-ID: <001601c319c7$45389bf0$c802a8c0@sol3.int>

Got it downloaded, installed on my machine and my wife's machine,
actually had a few spam laying around so I got it trained a little and
now it seems to be working.  The test will come over the next few days
as I normally get between 35 and 100 spams/day...

Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:38 PM
To: starpilot@sol3.net; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Newbie here!!!


> OK.  Got that download and I noticed another one that he said was 
> required (?) - installer_mh.zip...

Sorry - I should make the page more clear.  You only need
installer_mh.zip if you want to build your own binary release.

> Do I need Python?

Not for the binary, no.

> Where do I get it?
> (What is it?)

The programming language used by this project - but the binary install
has everything you need.

> Will it screw up my dev box (Win2k Server, .NET 2003, VS6, etc)?

More than likely <wink>

> What order, and exactly what all, is needed?
>
> The reason I am asking is the docs seem to hint at needing "other 
> stuff" but assumes that everyone reading it is up-to-date on all of 
> the infrastructure of setting this app up...

Just run the installer .EXE - that is it.

Mark.



From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 04:44:50 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 06:44:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737614 ] Messages go back to "unread"
	status
Message-ID: <E19Ftkg-0002II-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737614, was opened at 2003-05-14 11:44
Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=737614&group_id=61702

Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Paul Moore (pmoore)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Messages go back to "unread" status

Initial Comment:
Occasionally, when using the Outlook plugin, messages 
revert to "unread" status while they are being read. The 
behaviour isn't particularly reproducible, which makes it 
hard to test :-(

I'm using Exchange as my mail backend, Outlook 2000, 
and a version of CVS from somewhen (is there a version 
number I can check? - there are files dated 9th April...)

This has been around for a while, and discussed on the 
mailing list, but I couldn't find a bug for it - if there is 
one, sorry, feel free to close this one!

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 04:52:12 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 06:52:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-706170 ] Execute test suite fails in
	Outlook
Message-ID: <E19Ftro-0001jE-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #706170, was opened at 2003-03-19 21:03
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Closed
>Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Fredrik Rodland (fmmr)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Execute test suite fails in Outlook

Initial Comment:
The test suite fails in outlook.

I've retrained messages from a spam and a ham folder.

I think this may be related to moving the database-files 
from the spambayes to the default docs-folders in 
windows a couple of weeks ago.

the following traceback is shown in PythonWin:

Executing automated tests...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\addin.py", line 308, in Tester
    tester.test(manager)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\tester.py", line 306, in test
    TestSpamFilter(driver)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\tester.py", line 173, in TestSpamFilter
    msg, words = driver.CreateTestMessageInFolder
(SPAM, driver.folder_watch)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\tester.py", line 132, in 
CreateTestMessageInFolder
    msg, words = self.CreateTestMessage(spam_status)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\tester.py", line 145, in CreateTestMessage
    words.update(FindTopWords(self.manager.bayes, 50, 
True))
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\tester.py", line 64, in FindTopWords
    for word, info in extractor(bayes):
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\tester.py", line 46, in DBExtractor
    key = bayes.dbm.next()[0]
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\_DEV\Python22\Lib\site-
packages\bsddb3\__init__.py", line 122, in next
    rv = self.dbc.next()
DBNotFoundError: (-30991, 'DB_NOTFOUND: No 
matching key/data pair found')
Tests FAILED.  Sorry about that.  If I were you, I would 
do a full re-train ASAP
Please delete any test messages from your Spam, 
Unsure or Inbox folders first.

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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-14 20:52

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

I'm pretty sure this was fixed in tester.py:
revision 1.7
date: 2003/05/03 13:15:27;  author: mhammond;  state: Exp; 
lines: +9 -1
Allow test suite to work with bsddb3 or bsddb

Please re-open otherwise.

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-03-20 11:31

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

This seems a bsddb3 problem.  The code in question:

        try:
            key = bayes.dbm.next()[0]
        except bsddb.error:

already attempts to catch this error.  Further, the docs for
DBNotFoundError state that it derives from bsddb.error,
meaning my except statement should work.

I will try and get to using my Python 2.2 version for the
plugin to fix this.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 04:55:05 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 06:55:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737619 ] Message spam score is
	displayed (and filtered) wrongly
Message-ID: <E19Ftub-0001qe-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737619, was opened at 2003-05-14 11:55
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Paul Moore (pmoore)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Message spam score is displayed (and filtered) wrongly

Initial Comment:
Exchange, Outlook 2000, plugin from CVS around 9th 
April. Occasionally (it seems to be mostly when the plugin 
is doing a "catchup" when I start up in the morning, but I 
don't think it's *always* then) a spam is left in my inbox 
with a score of 0% displayed. Clicking the "show spam 
clues" button shows a correct score of 99.xxx%.

I *think* that the message isn't showing in the log of 
messages being filtered (so why does it get a score at 
all?) but it's hard to be sure I didn't miss the note about 
a message with subject "??????????????????????" in a list 
of 200+ such messages :-)

This has been discussed on the list in the past, but I 
could find no bug specifically about it. If I missed one, I 
apologise - feel free to close this in that case.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 05:34:07 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 07:34:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-706170 ] Execute test suite fails in
	Outlook
Message-ID: <E19FuWN-0003cd-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #706170, was opened at 2003-03-19 11:03
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Open
Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Fredrik Rodland (fmmr)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Execute test suite fails in Outlook

Initial Comment:
The test suite fails in outlook.

I've retrained messages from a spam and a ham folder.

I think this may be related to moving the database-files 
from the spambayes to the default docs-folders in 
windows a couple of weeks ago.

the following traceback is shown in PythonWin:

Executing automated tests...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\addin.py", line 308, in Tester
    tester.test(manager)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\tester.py", line 306, in test
    TestSpamFilter(driver)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\tester.py", line 173, in TestSpamFilter
    msg, words = driver.CreateTestMessageInFolder
(SPAM, driver.folder_watch)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\tester.py", line 132, in 
CreateTestMessageInFolder
    msg, words = self.CreateTestMessage(spam_status)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\tester.py", line 145, in CreateTestMessage
    words.update(FindTopWords(self.manager.bayes, 50, 
True))
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\tester.py", line 64, in FindTopWords
    for word, info in extractor(bayes):
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\tester.py", line 46, in DBExtractor
    key = bayes.dbm.next()[0]
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\_DEV\Python22\Lib\site-
packages\bsddb3\__init__.py", line 122, in next
    rv = self.dbc.next()
DBNotFoundError: (-30991, 'DB_NOTFOUND: No 
matching key/data pair found')
Tests FAILED.  Sorry about that.  If I were you, I would 
do a full re-train ASAP
Please delete any test messages from your Spam, 
Unsure or Inbox folders first.

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>Comment By: Fredrik Rodland (fmmr)
Date: 2003-05-14 13:34

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=724871

I tried this again today with the latest CVS (may 14th).  the 
error is not the same, but it still does not work.  got the 
following traceback:

Executing automated tests...
Bayes database is not dirty - not writing
Traceback (most recent call last):
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\Outlo
ok2000\addin.py", line 314, in Tester
    tester.test(manager)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\Outlo
ok2000\tester.py", line 316, in test
    TestSpamFilter(driver)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\Outlo
ok2000\tester.py", line 182, in TestSpamFilter
    msg, words = driver.CreateTestMessageInFolder(SPAM, 
driver.folder_watch)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\Outlo
ok2000\tester.py", line 141, in CreateTestMessageInFolder
    msg, words = self.CreateTestMessage(spam_status)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\Outlo
ok2000\tester.py", line 154, in CreateTestMessage
    words.update(FindTopWords(self.manager.bayes, 50, 
True))
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\Outlo
ok2000\tester.py", line 72, in FindTopWords
    for word, info in extractor(bayes):
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\Outlo
ok2000\tester.py", line 43, in DBExtractor
    bsddb_error = bsddb.DBNotFoundError
AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBNotFoundError'
Tests FAILED.  Sorry about that.  If I were you, I would do a 
full re-train ASAP
Please delete any test messages from your Spam, Unsure or 
Inbox folders first.


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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-14 12:52

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

I'm pretty sure this was fixed in tester.py:
revision 1.7
date: 2003/05/03 13:15:27;  author: mhammond;  state: Exp; 
lines: +9 -1
Allow test suite to work with bsddb3 or bsddb

Please re-open otherwise.

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-03-20 01:31

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

This seems a bsddb3 problem.  The code in question:

        try:
            key = bayes.dbm.next()[0]
        except bsddb.error:

already attempts to catch this error.  Further, the docs for
DBNotFoundError state that it derives from bsddb.error,
meaning my except statement should work.

I will try and get to using my Python 2.2 version for the
plugin to fix this.

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From Paul.Moore at atosorigin.com  Wed May 14 13:54:12 2003
From: Paul.Moore at atosorigin.com (Moore, Paul)
Date: Wed May 14 07:55:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plugin -- Blatant, vaguely commercial offer.
Message-ID: <16E1010E4581B049ABC51D4975CEDB88619A71@UKDCX001.uk.int.atosorigin.com>

From: Sean True [mailto:seant@webreply.com]
> The embarassingly small number of bug fixes we've sent him
> indicate how good his part of this is.
> Any remaining problems are likely to be introduced by me!

The "messages return to Unread status" and "spam score
displayed wrong" bugs are pretty user-visible, certainly on
Exchange. Embarassingly, although they have been discussed on
the list a few times, I can't find SF bug reports for them -
just added a couple (737614 and 737619). Fixing them should
probably be a high priority for any "commercial" version of
SpamBayes.

Which version of the plugin do you use? CVS, or one of Mark's
releases?

Paul.

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 05:59:01 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 07:59:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737642 ] Hang when trying to get
	message
Message-ID: <E19FuuT-0004uX-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737642, was opened at 2003-05-14 11:59
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Category: pop3proxy
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Remi Ricard (papadoc)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Hang  when trying to get message

Initial Comment:
Hi,

I'm using pop3proxy (from cvs 2003.05.13) and sometime I'm
not able to retreive my mail from one my pop account

I'm getting the following error:
error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel
<__main__.ServerLineReader c
onnected at 0x138d160>
(email.Errors.HeaderParseError:Not a header, not a contin
uation: ``charset="iso-8859-1"''
[C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\lib\asyncore.py|
poll|99]
[C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\lib\asyncore.py|handle_read_event|396]
[
C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\lib\asynchat.py|handle_read|130]
[C:\Devtools\SPAM
BA~1\SPAMBA~1.13\POP3PR~1.PY|found_terminator|146]
[C:\Devtools\SPAMBA~1\SPAMBA~
1.13\POP3PR~1.PY|onServerLine|214]
[C:\Devtools\SPAMBA~1\SPAMBA~1.13\POP3PR~1.PY
|onResponse|288]
[C:\Devtools\SPAMBA~1\SPAMBA~1.13\POP3PR~1.PY|onTransaction|389
]
[C:\Devtools\SPAMBA~1\SPAMBA~1.13\POP3PR~1.PY|onRetr|436]
[C:\Devtools\SPAMBA~
1\SPAMBA~1.13\spambayes\message.py|setPayload|168]
[C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.
2\lib\email\Parser.py|_parsebody|228]
[C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\lib\email\P
arser.py|parsestr|75]
[C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\lib\email\Parser.py|parse|6
2]
[C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\lib\email\Parser.py|_parseheaders|128])


I retrieve the mail directly without using pop3proxy
and tested each message with the classify options on
the web interface and there was not problem.

Remi
papaDoc@videotron.ca


N.B. How can I find which messge is causing problem and
how can I get an hand on it ?


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From readonly at getsoft.com  Wed May 14 23:03:48 2003
From: readonly at getsoft.com (Neville Franks)
Date: Wed May 14 08:05:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installation Error
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEJCEFAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEJCEFAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <116864793196.20030514220348@getsoft.com>

TP> [Greg Lozier]
>> I installed spambayes today and while installing I received an
>> error message that there is no disk in the drive.  Please insert a
>> disk into drive \device\harddisk1\dr3.  I cancel the error message it
>> finish loading.  It is operational in outlook 2000 now, but when I
>> start outlook I get the above error message.  After hitting cancel
>> a few times it will go away and outlook will load.
>>
>> What is causing this error?

TP> Sorry, beats me -- never heard of anything like this, and it's hard to
TP> imagine how it's *possible*.  Which version of Windows was this?  Do you, by
TP> any chance, run a Windows version of XEmacs?  (I ask this because the top
TP> hit on a google search for "harddisk1" is a thread about problems with

TP>     No disk in device\harddisk1\dr1

TP> error msgs popping up after installing an old version of XEmacs.  They
TP> solved the problem by assigning their Zip drive to a different letter.
TP> Google turns up several other hits on installation programs triggering this
TP> bizarre msg too; I didn't find a satisfying explanation.)

This error occurs when code is attempting to access a hard drive which
physically doesn't exist in a machine and there is a removable drive
like a zip drive at the drive location. eg. Code is trying to access a
hard drive d: and there is no such hard drive, but there is a zip
drive d:. Inserting a zip disk works around getting the error. That's
about as much as I know.

-- 
Best regards,
 Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows - the programmers editor, an indispensable tool for great software development.
  http://www.getsoft.com Version 4.02 now available. New: Projects, Source Database, Difference Analysis....


From mail at peterbe.com  Wed May 14 14:39:11 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed May 14 09:00:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130197912E@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030514133323.0226ca00@mail.grenna.net>

At 10:58 2003-05-14 +1200, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> > I installed the 1.0a2 from sourceforge yesterday and I use
> > the pop3proxy so my Eudora now connects to localhost instead.
> > Yesterday everything was working fine and no errors reported.
> > Great work guys! Today I get this errors:
>[...]
> > Any ideas what this might mean or what I have done to deserve this?
>
>It's difficult to tell.  It looks like it might be a problem with the
>database.  Is your hammie.db file still in the right place?  You might
>try deleting[1] this file and seeing if that fixes it (if it doesn't,
>just undelete it).

I don't have a hammie.db file.
I have 3 files called: hammie.db.dat, hammie.db.bak, hammie.db.dir in 
C:\Python22\ all 1Kb big.
And the same 3 files in C:\Python22\spambayes\  all bigger than 1Kb. 
hammie.db.dat is 42Mb.

And if I "delete" my hammie files and start again, isn't it quite possible 
that the errors will return again with time.
Should I fetch the latest CVS?

Here is the whole error that appears. It doesn't start to appear until 
after one or two successful sessions

error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel 
<__main__.ServerLineReader connected at 0x15f9058> (exceptions.EOFError: 
[C:\Python22\lib\asyncore.py|poll|99] 
C:\Python22\lib\asyncore.py|handle_read_event|396] 
[C:\Python22\lib\asynchat.py|handle_read|130] 
[pop3proxy.py|found_terminator|199] [pop3proxy.py|onServerLine|267] 
pop3proxy.py|onResponse|341] [pop3proxy.py|onTransaction|437] 
[pop3proxy.py|onRetr|484] [spambayes\classifier.py|chi2_spamprob|217] 
[spambayes\classifier.py|_getclues|437] 
spambayes\storage.py|_wordinfoget|192] [C:\Python22\lib\shelve.py|get|66] 
[C:\Python22\lib\shelve.py|__getitem__|71])



From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Wed May 14 10:08:54 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Wed May 14 09:10:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030514133323.0226ca00@mail.grenna.net>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030514133323.0226ca00@mail.grenna.net>
Message-ID: <3EC23FE6.9030604@videotron.ca>

Hi,

This look like my error (see  spambayes-Bugs-737642).


>> > I installed the 1.0a2 from sourceforge yesterday
>
Did you install from CVS ?

>> > Any ideas what this might mean or what I have done to deserve this?
>>
>> It's difficult to tell.  It looks like it might be a problem with the
>> database.  Is your hammie.db file still in the right place?  You might
>> try deleting[1] this file and seeing if that fixes it (if it doesn't,
>> just undelete it).
>
I don't think it is a database problem since when I'm using an old 
version of spambayes
(CVS from 2003.03.25) I don't get the error.

Remi


From skip at pobox.com  Wed May 14 09:12:52 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed May 14 09:13:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Does anyone care about this report?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13019791C2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13019791C2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <16066.16596.8818.203461@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tony> I'm pretty sure that Alex is right and Spambayes does no locking.

I'm fairly sure you're correct.  In any case, locking db files will probably
vary based on the type of the file which underlies anydbm.  To be safe, when
unlocking a db file I think Spambayes would have to close it, then reopen it
later when it next grabs the lock.

I use hammiefilter from procmail and let procmail do the locking.  It's done
at a higher level, so there's only ever one hammiefilter process running.
That might be an option for some people.

Skip

From mail at peterbe.com  Wed May 14 15:36:49 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed May 14 09:50:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors
In-Reply-To: <3EC23FE6.9030604@videotron.ca>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030514133323.0226ca00@mail.grenna.net>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20030514133323.0226ca00@mail.grenna.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030514143503.0227a1f0@mail.grenna.net>

At 09:08 2003-05-14 -0400, papaDoc wrote:
>Hi,
>
>This look like my error (see  spambayes-Bugs-737642).

Yes, found it, but no solutions.


>>> > I installed the 1.0a2 from sourceforge yesterday
>Did you install from CVS ?

No. 1.0a2 release



>>> > Any ideas what this might mean or what I have done to deserve this?
>>>
>>>It's difficult to tell.  It looks like it might be a problem with the
>>>database.  Is your hammie.db file still in the right place?  You might
>>>try deleting[1] this file and seeing if that fixes it (if it doesn't,
>>>just undelete it).
>I don't think it is a database problem since when I'm using an old version 
>of spambayes
>(CVS from 2003.03.25) I don't get the error.

I don't understand you here. Has your problem gone away from installing an 
OLD cvs version?
If so, how do you get an old version of CVS? Or, do you have your version 
available?

>Remi


From ark3 at email.com  Wed May 14 11:49:10 2003
From: ark3 at email.com (Abhay Saxena)
Date: Wed May 14 10:49:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training via IMAP Filter
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130197910C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <38ED4A0D-861B-11D7-B809-00039345DE8C@email.com>

On Tuesday, May 13, 2003, at 06:39  PM, Meyer, Tony wrote:
>> 1. Has anyone tested imapfilter.py with UW IMAP [...]
>
> Not AFAIK.

Okay. So at least it is likely that  my Spambayes problems are not 
server weirdness due to my local IMAP installation (which is straight 
out of FreeBSD ports, so I didn't expect it to be very weird anyhow...).

> On the other hand, the last major change that I made was aimed at 
> making
> the filter *much* more in line with the RFC [...]

It is likely that I did a cvs update since your last major change, so I 
probably have that major change. SF cvs has been giving me trouble the 
last day or so, but my sources should be current as of a couple of days 
ago.

> [...] So if it follows the RFC, it shouldn't have any problems.

Regarding UW IMAP, I sort of understood that Mark Crispin at UW did 
most of the work on the IMAP4 spec, so one would imagine that UW IMAP 
is at least a good example of a server, if not the reference server. 
(There is probably some sort of history page at http://www.imap.org/ 
that neither you nor I have time to read...)

>> 2. Have there been any (important) changes to imaplib since 2.2.2?
>
> Yes, but none that should effect the filter, unless you are trying to 
> use SSL [...]

Okay, so I can stick to 2.2.2 and not worry about it. Great.

> IMAP doesn't have any method of tracking mail persistently.  There is 
> a unique ID, but this can change.

Can you explain the circumstances under which the unique ID can change? 
I'm envisioning a system in which I have ham and spam training folders 
that only get messages when the user is certain of his/her decision. In 
other words, a message would never move from the ham folder to the spam 
folder, or vice versa. In that sort of situation, would it be possible 
to rely on IMAP's unique ID to track messages?

> To get around this, we add our own unique id in a "X-Spambayes-MailId" 
> header.  It will only do this the first time it sees a message, so 
> next time you train, only new messages will be altered.

That explains the need to modify the folder contents, thanks.

> If it's not working, then please submit a bug with details - I'll try
> and get to fixing it ASAP (although this is a busy RL week).  With the
> number of ways that IMAP is implemented, the only way to do full 
> testing
> is to have people with different servers report any problems that they
> have.

If I'm totally stumped I'll be sure to submit a bug, or at least to ask 
a very specific question or two. I'd like to try to fix things on my 
own first, though. The first step there would be to figure out why 
adding -i4 to the command line doesn't give me any additional console 
output. I know where to look, though.

Thanks for your help.

   - Abhay


From ark3 at email.com  Wed May 14 12:06:13 2003
From: ark3 at email.com (Abhay Saxena)
Date: Wed May 14 11:06:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Does anyone care about this report?
In-Reply-To: <16066.16596.8818.203461@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <9AC93596-861D-11D7-B809-00039345DE8C@email.com>

On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 09:12  AM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> I use hammiefilter from procmail and let procmail do the locking.  
> It's done
> at a higher level, so there's only ever one hammiefilter process 
> running.
> That might be an option for some people.

That's what I do as well, for filtering. But filtering is a read-only 
process with respect to hammie.db, right? As for training, which 
obviously must modify hammie.db, I think it's safe to assume that there 
will only be one training process going on at a time (manually, via 
cron, etc.).

The real question is: What happens if email comes in while training is 
in progress? That's the exact question at the end of David Abrahams' 
document, but it seemed like a different question was getting answered.

On my FreeBSD box using dbhash, I'm able to open a database read-only 
as many simultaneous times as I want while holding it open read-write 
in another process. Does spambayes always open the database in 
read-write mode?

   - Abhay


From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Wed May 14 09:25:51 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Wed May 14 11:25:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Does anyone care about this report? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Abhay Saxena <ark3@email.com> of "Wed,
	14 May 2003 11:06:13 EDT."
	<9AC93596-861D-11D7-B809-00039345DE8C@email.com> 
References: <9AC93596-861D-11D7-B809-00039345DE8C@email.com> 
Message-ID: <20030514152551.67CF62DE88@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <9AC93596-861D-11D7-B809-00039345DE8C@email.com>
             Abhay Saxena <ark3@email.com> writes:
>On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 09:12  AM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>> I use hammiefilter from procmail and let procmail do the locking.  
>> It's done at a higher level, so there's only ever one hammiefilter
>> process running.  That might be an option for some people.
>
>That's what I do as well, for filtering. But filtering is a read-only 
>process with respect to hammie.db, right?

I do both filtering and training from procmail, so answering the
pure-filtering question is rather moot for me.  However, I _think_
that filtering is currently a read-only process.  In the past (when
there were access counts on the words) it definitely was not.

>As for training, which obviously must modify hammie.db, I think it's
>safe to assume that there will only be one training process going on
>at a time (manually, via cron, etc.).

I cannot make this assumption, since I train both through procmail
and from cron.  I could simplify my situation slightly by having
my cron job send me a mail which got picked up by procmail to do
the full retrain (and then use procmail's locking for all access
to the db), but that's a bit more convoluted than I want to deal
with.

>The real question is: What happens if email comes in while training is 
>in progress? That's the exact question at the end of David Abrahams' 
>document, but it seemed like a different question was getting answered.

I thought that I had answered it with "I don't know, it depends on
the precise implementation of the db".  Without knowing the internals
of the db implementation, I cannot say if a read would fail if a
write was in progress at the same time.  It is perfectly conceivable
that a read could see an updated index page which pointed to a data
page that hadn't yet been written out... and it's equally conceiveable
that the db layer would sequence its writes (and do various other
data organization magic) to prevent that or other equally bad scenarios
from happening.

>On my FreeBSD box using dbhash, I'm able to open a database read-only 
>as many simultaneous times as I want while holding it open read-write 
>in another process. Does spambayes always open the database in 
>read-write mode?

I suspect that spambayes always opens read-write out of sheer laziness,
hiding the intent of the controlling program from the database access
layer.  However, as I point out above, it's rather irrelevant if the
db implementation doesn't protect against bad things happening if a
read happens in the middle of a write operation.  Given that spambayes
doesn't actively control the db implementation's semantic details (and
I think this qualifies as a detail), I really don't think it's trustworthy.

On the other hand, those of us who keep all their mail for retraining
anyway don't care all that much if the db gets corrupted; we can just
rebuild the db in case of error and move on.

- Alex

From tys at cs.ualberta.ca  Wed May 14 11:09:00 2003
From: tys at cs.ualberta.ca (Tys von Gaza)
Date: Wed May 14 12:09:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin Problems...
In-Reply-To: <07a301c31955$dcaee5b0$530f8490@eden>
Message-ID: <000701c31a33$21caa9d0$b5f2b38e@gaza>

The process is terminated (not showing in Processes in the task manager)
when I am running addin.py.  I get the following when I do run it:

D:\spambayes\Outlook2000>addin.py
D:\Python22\lib\site-packages\win32com\universal.py:15: UserWarning:
win32com.universal argument passing support is incomplete - only types
covered in win32com.servers.test_pycomtest are supported
  warnings.warn(msg)
Registered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin

Running Outlook2000\train.py works (again no output in the Trace
Debugger).

Some more details on what I am running:
Outlook XP
Python 2.2.2
PythonWin build 150

Is there any reason the debugger wouldn't pick up any debug info?

Tys von Gaza 
tys@cs.ualberta.ca

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au]
> Sent: May 13, 2003 7:45 AM
> To: 'Tys von Gaza'; SpamBayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin Problems...
> 
> > I remember there was some discussion a while back about some
> > changes to
> > the Outlook plugin that caused problems when upgrading, I
> > think I might
> > be running into these again.  Any ideas?
> 
> There are no known problems that will cause completely silent failure.
> Are
> you sure that the old Outlook process terminated?  There should always
be
> a
> startup message in the log, so completely silent is a new one on me.
Did
> you try re-running "addin.py"?  If all else fails, does running, say
> "Outlook2000\train.py" from the command-line work?
> 
> Mark.



From skip at pobox.com  Wed May 14 11:53:40 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed May 14 12:16:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Does anyone care about this report? 
In-Reply-To: <20030514152551.67CF62DE88@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
References: <9AC93596-861D-11D7-B809-00039345DE8C@email.com>
	<20030514152551.67CF62DE88@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
Message-ID: <16066.26244.374378.915913@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> That's what I do as well, for filtering. But filtering is a read-only
    >> process with respect to hammie.db, right?

    Alex> I do both filtering and training from procmail, so answering the
    Alex> pure-filtering question is rather moot for me.  However, I _think_
    Alex> that filtering is currently a read-only process.  

Yes, I believe the database is opened read-only for classification.

    >> As for training, which obviously must modify hammie.db, I think it's
    >> safe to assume that there will only be one training process going on
    >> at a time (manually, via cron, etc.).

    Alex> I cannot make this assumption, since I train both through procmail
    Alex> and from cron.  I could simplify my situation slightly by having
    Alex> my cron job send me a mail which got picked up by procmail to do
    Alex> the full retrain (and then use procmail's locking for all access
    Alex> to the db), but that's a bit more convoluted than I want to deal
    Alex> with.

How about wrapping your cron training in a shell or Python script which uses
the same sort of file locking as procmail?  That way they'd play nice
together.  Another option is to train into a separate database.  (See
below.)

    >> The real question is: What happens if email comes in while training
    >> is in progress? That's the exact question at the end of David
    >> Abrahams' document, but it seemed like a different question was
    >> getting answered.

    Alex> I thought that I had answered it with "I don't know, it depends on
    Alex> the precise implementation of the db".  Without knowing the
    Alex> internals of the db implementation, I cannot say if a read would
    Alex> fail if a write was in progress at the same time.  

Agreed.  In fact, without getting a little messy, Spambayes doesn't really
know "what lies beneath" anydbm.  It could figure that out using whichdb
then attempt to do the right thing for each of the different kinds of
databases, but there's no guarantee *anything* can be done.  Does anyone
know what the file locking properties of dumbdbm or dbm are?  What about
gdbm or dbm via the berkeley db package?  All are available through Python,
and thus susceptible to use by anydbm.  I think the ultimate solution has
got to come from higher up (e.g., implement the same file locking that
procmail uses).

That said, we could have Spambayes implement its own file locking scheme
which would (hopefully) work transparently on all platforms.  That would
avoid the issue of locking individual files altogether.  Most, if not all,
applications know soon after startup if they are going to need read/write
access or just read access to their database files.  They should be able to
create the appropriate kind of lock file which other Spambayes applications
would honor.

    Alex> On the other hand, those of us who keep all their mail for
    Alex> retraining anyway don't care all that much if the db gets
    Alex> corrupted; we can just rebuild the db in case of error and move
    Alex> on.

I retrain to a different file, then rename it or copy it into place.  I've
never had a problem (which is not to say I won't someday).  Clearly
retraining into the same file from which classification is done opens up a
much bigger window of opportunity for gremlins to sneak in.

David, are we making any progress on your question?  I think you'd have
gotten a bit quicker resolution on it had it not been hidden at the end of
your IMAP filter document.  I saw "IMAP" and hit the 'd' key.  I suspect
others did as well.

Skip

From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Wed May 14 10:19:02 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Wed May 14 12:19:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Does anyone care about this report? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> of "Wed,
	14 May 2003 10:53:40 CDT."
	<16066.26244.374378.915913@montanaro.dyndns.org> 
References: <9AC93596-861D-11D7-B809-00039345DE8C@email.com>
	<20030514152551.67CF62DE88@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
	<16066.26244.374378.915913@montanaro.dyndns.org> 
Message-ID: <20030514161902.BD4EC2DE88@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <16066.26244.374378.915913@montanaro.dyndns.org>
             Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> writes:
>
>How about wrapping your cron training in a shell or Python script which uses
>the same sort of file locking as procmail?

That would require knowing the type of file locking that procmail
uses... and that isn't well advertized either. :-)  Procmail makes
it easy to know which file is being used for the locking (heck, you
can specify that in the procmail script), but the locking method is
build-dependent, and I haven't bothered to research it.

>Another option is to train into a separate database.

I already do this (and rename the new db into place), but it just
narrows the window for bad stuff to happen.  Narrows it from 21
minutes to a fraction of a second, which for my uses is good enough...
but to be perfectly correct, there should be a lock around the rename.

>That said, we could have Spambayes implement its own file locking scheme
>which would (hopefully) work transparently on all platforms.

This is probably the way to go, if we even want to bother.  Merely
documenting that spambayes doesn't do any locking (and that if you
have the possibility of concurrent access, you should take other
measures yourself) is probably good enough for the vast majority of
users.

>I retrain to a different file, then rename it or copy it into place.  I've
>never had a problem (which is not to say I won't someday).

I've had a problem exactly once, and I'm not sure if it was a
concurrent access problem or some other db corruption bug.  I never
bothered to investigate... just rebuilt the db using my nightly
rebuild script, and moved on. ;-)  (Yes, I deliberately have my
procmail set up so that if spambayes is barfing and/or not labeling
messages, they get delivered to my standard inbox; fail to
passthrough is much better in this case than fail to bitbucket.)

- Alex

From zshepherd at alphadatasys.com  Wed May 14 12:27:34 2003
From: zshepherd at alphadatasys.com (D. Zane Shepherd)
Date: Wed May 14 12:34:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express
Message-ID: <004901c31a35$bc93d660$c2cbd940@swbell.net>

Hi!  I learned of your product from an educational and consulting firm in LA known as K2 Enterprises.  They speak very highly of this product.  Is it compatible with Outlook Express?

Thank you in advance for a response.

Zane Shepherd
Dallas, TX 
From skip at pobox.com  Wed May 14 13:19:29 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed May 14 13:19:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <004901c31a35$bc93d660$c2cbd940@swbell.net>
References: <004901c31a35$bc93d660$c2cbd940@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <16066.31393.242465.935073@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Zane> Hi!  I learned of your product from an educational and consulting
    Zane> firm in LA known as K2 Enterprises.  They speak very highly of
    Zane> this product.  Is it compatible with Outlook Express?  Thank you
    Zane> in advance for a response.

Not directly.  You should be able to install Python+Spambayes on your system
and use the pop3proxy to train and classify incoming mail though.  You would
then point Outlook Express at the proxy instead of the real POP3 server.

If you use IMAP to retrieve your mail there is an IMAP filter in the works,
though I don't know how ready for prime time it is at this point.

-- 
Skip Montanaro
skip@pobox.com
http://www.musi-cal.com/

From akiva at atwood.co.il  Wed May 14 21:13:57 2003
From: akiva at atwood.co.il (Akiva Atwood)
Date: Wed May 14 14:01:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: No disk in drice X
In-Reply-To: <E19Ftry-0003fc-01@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <GBEKLFALOJNOBKOJONGNKEHKDOAA.akiva@atwood.co.il>

>
> [Greg Lozier]
> > I installed spambayes today and while installing I received an
> > error message that there is no disk in the drive.  Please insert a
> > disk into drive \device\harddisk1\dr3.  I cancel the error message it
> > finish loading.  It is operational in outlook 2000 now, but when I
> > start outlook I get the above error message.  After hitting cancel
> > a few times it will go away and outlook will load.
> >

I had the same thing happen yesterday -- once I rebooted the problem went
away.

I'm running XP Pro with Outlook 2000

Akiva


=================================
"We took risks, we knew we took them; things have come out against us, and
therefore we have no cause for complaint, but bow to the will of Providence,
determined still to do our best to the last."
Robert Falcon Scott


From bbands at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 12:10:46 2003
From: bbands at yahoo.com (John Bollinger)
Date: Wed May 14 14:10:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook--SpamBayes fails to load
In-Reply-To: <GBEKLFALOJNOBKOJONGNKEHKDOAA.akiva@atwood.co.il>
Message-ID: <20030514181046.11364.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com>

Before I post a bug...

     --jab

Current binary, Win2k, Outlook 2000 sp3

spambayes1.log

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\bbands\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\bbands\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 415 spam and 229 good
messages
Loaded databases in 14.8108ms
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal
dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py",
line 170, in dispatch
  File
"E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File
"E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
601, in _invokeex_
  File
"E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line
655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line
475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line
166, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py",
line 117, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py",
line 158, in _GetMessageStore
pywintypes.com_error: (-2147221231, 'ClassFactory
cannot supply requested class', None, None)



=====
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www.BollingerBands.com

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From ark3 at email.com  Wed May 14 16:57:02 2003
From: ark3 at email.com (Abhay Saxena)
Date: Wed May 14 15:57:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Does anyone care about this report? 
In-Reply-To: <20030514161902.BD4EC2DE88@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
Message-ID: <3AFB3197-8646-11D7-B809-00039345DE8C@email.com>

Okay. Relying on the underlying database implementation to do the right 
thing when multiple processes have the database open, even in the many 
readers and one writer case, is not safe. Got it. That much I 
understand.

Training into a temporary database and then replacing the live database 
by renaming over it sounds like a good option. At least on Unix-ish 
filesystems, aren't we guaranteed that the rename-replace operation is 
atomic? In other words, is it true that a program is guaranteed to get 
either the original file (and to retain access to it until it close()es 
the fd) or the new file? After all, the new file will have a different 
inode (or equivalent) and reside on a different part of the disk. I 
suppose this line of thought still makes the assumption that the 
underlying database implementation doesn't close and reopen the file or 
try to open the file more than once...

On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 12:19  PM, T. Alexander Popiel wrote:
> (Yes, I deliberately have my procmail set up so that if spambayes is 
> barfing and/or not labeling messages, they get delivered to my 
> standard inbox; fail to passthrough is much better in this case than 
> fail to bitbucket.)

Are you the Alex who wrote the stuff in spambayes/contrib (bulkgraph.py 
et al)? If so, does the sample procmailrc in that directory have your 
trick for doing the right thing if hammiefilter.py barfs? I don't quite 
see how the right thing would occur if hammiefilter.py were to die with 
an unhandled exception, for example. On the other hand, I'm not very 
knowledgeable about procmail, so I may just be missing it.

Thanks for helping me get clued-in, folks.

   - Abhay


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 14:18:46 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 16:18:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737874 ] Outlook crash wipes out
	SpamBayes addin settings & training
Message-ID: <E19G2i6-0001Gc-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737874, was opened at 2003-05-14 16:18
Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=737874&group_id=61702

Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Scott Sanders (giveuptheghost)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook crash wipes out SpamBayes addin settings & training

Initial Comment:
When Outlook crashes, it wipes out the SpamBayes
Outlook Addin's settings, including all its training.
At least, it does for me.

Most programs have their important data and settings in
a file somewhere or the Registry where it somehow can't
be corrupted, much less erased, when a problem comes
up. <sarcasm>Maybe SpamBayes should look into this
concept.</sarcasm>

I've attached the log for the affected session, though,
after perusing it myself, it looks like SpamBayes is
not causing Outlook to crash. I think it has to do with
my network printer driver when I'm offline from the
network, which causes a similar problem with other
programs. (As a workaround, I've removed the Print
button from the Outlook windows that I use, since it
seems to crash just on mouseover!)

I'm running SpamBayes Outlook Addin 002 with Outlook XP
under Windows XP Pro. The other Outlook COM addins that
are enabled are SpamSource and SyncNow.

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You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=737874&group_id=61702

From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Wed May 14 14:51:25 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Wed May 14 16:51:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Does anyone care about this report? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Abhay Saxena <ark3@email.com> of "Wed,
	14 May 2003 15:57:02 EDT."
	<3AFB3197-8646-11D7-B809-00039345DE8C@email.com> 
References: <3AFB3197-8646-11D7-B809-00039345DE8C@email.com> 
Message-ID: <20030514205125.354512DE88@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <3AFB3197-8646-11D7-B809-00039345DE8C@email.com>
             Abhay Saxena <ark3@email.com> writes:
>
>Training into a temporary database and then replacing the live database 
>by renaming over it sounds like a good option. At least on Unix-ish 
>filesystems, aren't we guaranteed that the rename-replace operation is 
>atomic?

Yes, on unix-oids, the rename operation is filesystem-atomic.

>I suppose this line of thought still makes the assumption that the 
>underlying database implementation doesn't close and reopen the file or 
>try to open the file more than once...

Bingo.  Also, in multi-file db implementations, it gets hairier.

>On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 12:19  PM, T. Alexander Popiel wrote:
>> (Yes, I deliberately have my procmail set up so that if spambayes is 
>> barfing and/or not labeling messages, they get delivered to my 
>> standard inbox; fail to passthrough is much better in this case than 
>> fail to bitbucket.)
>
>Are you the Alex who wrote the stuff in spambayes/contrib (bulkgraph.py 
>et al)?

Somebody reads my stuff!  Yay!

>If so, does the sample procmailrc in that directory have your 
>trick for doing the right thing if hammiefilter.py barfs?

Yes.  The failsafe nature is not really obvious.  For the first
part, standard procmail holds that if a filter (and I'm using
spambayes as a filter) exits with a non-zero exit code, then the
original mail is retained instead of the filtered version.  For
the second part, I check for specific X-Spambayes-Classification
lines, and if there isn't one present, then the mail goes into
my inbox.

>Thanks for helping me get clued-in, folks.

Not a problem.

- Alex

From mail at peterbe.com  Wed May 14 23:30:36 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed May 14 17:36:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Web Interface enhancements
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13019791B8@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030514222925.022219d0@mail.grenna.net>


>
>
>Done (in cvs).  The refresh button is normally between the "previous
>day" and "today" buttons (which might be disabled).  If you train
>everything and get to the "no untrained messages" page, there is a link
>"check again".  I worry a little that this might make people think that
>it checks for mail on the server, which it doesn't (the mail program
>needs to do that).  Thoughts?

On a slightly different note...
Can you [in the web interface] disable caching?
It's happened many times that I have to press the Reload button after 
clicking a link.

Cheers,
Peter 


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 15 10:39:47 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 14 17:40:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Web Interface enhancements
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301979429@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> On a slightly different note...
> Can you [in the web interface] disable caching?
> It's happened many times that I have to press the Reload button after 
> clicking a link.

I noticed this too, and I tried to do it - all the pages have:
	<meta content="no-cache" http-equiv="Pragma"/>
	<meta content="-1" http-equiv="Expires"/>
which I thought should do the trick, but seems a bit patchy.

Can anyone correct the meta tags or tell me what a better method is?

=Tony Meyer

From destreel at home.nl  Thu May 15 00:40:34 2003
From: destreel at home.nl (destreel)
Date: Wed May 14 17:44:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] installation fault
Message-ID: <000001c31a61$765c0d80$0500a8c0@woonkamer>

Hi, spambayes outlook-addin is listed  but not checked. When I check it
and restart outlook xp  the add-in is unchecked again. I did register
the dll already!

 

Pls advice .

 

PWorCe

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From tys at cs.ualberta.ca  Wed May 14 17:03:55 2003
From: tys at cs.ualberta.ca (Tys von Gaza)
Date: Wed May 14 18:04:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin Problems...
In-Reply-To: <000701c31a33$21caa9d0$b5f2b38e@gaza>
Message-ID: <002401c31a64$b6af2810$b5f2b38e@gaza>

Well I ended up trying the outlook installer because I couldn't handle
all the spam (it is amazing how HUGE a difference SpamBayes makes, kudos
to you all) and it worked fine.  I have no idea why the CVS version
wouldn't.  I'll take a closer look when I have more time.

Tys von Gaza 
tys@cs.ualberta.ca

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
> On Behalf Of Tys von Gaza
> Sent: May 14, 2003 10:09 AM
> To: 'Mark Hammond'; SpamBayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin Problems...
> 
> The process is terminated (not showing in Processes in the task
manager)
> when I am running addin.py.  I get the following when I do run it:
> 
> D:\spambayes\Outlook2000>addin.py
> D:\Python22\lib\site-packages\win32com\universal.py:15: UserWarning:
> win32com.universal argument passing support is incomplete - only types
> covered in win32com.servers.test_pycomtest are supported
>   warnings.warn(msg)
> Registered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin
> 
> Running Outlook2000\train.py works (again no output in the Trace
> Debugger).
> 
> Some more details on what I am running:
> Outlook XP
> Python 2.2.2
> PythonWin build 150
> 
> Is there any reason the debugger wouldn't pick up any debug info?
> 
> Tys von Gaza
> tys@cs.ualberta.ca
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au]
> > Sent: May 13, 2003 7:45 AM
> > To: 'Tys von Gaza'; SpamBayes@python.org
> > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin Problems...
> >
> > > I remember there was some discussion a while back about some
> > > changes to
> > > the Outlook plugin that caused problems when upgrading, I
> > > think I might
> > > be running into these again.  Any ideas?
> >
> > There are no known problems that will cause completely silent
failure.
> > Are
> > you sure that the old Outlook process terminated?  There should
always
> be
> > a
> > startup message in the log, so completely silent is a new one on me.
> Did
> > you try re-running "addin.py"?  If all else fails, does running, say
> > "Outlook2000\train.py" from the command-line work?
> >
> > Mark.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From richard at death2spam.net  Thu May 15 09:32:09 2003
From: richard at death2spam.net (Richard Jowsey)
Date: Wed May 14 18:38:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Web Interface enhancements
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301979429@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <3EC35089.20429.1750F41F@localhost>

You might additionally set some "anti-cache" HTTP headers, like so:

   Last-Modified: [the current date-time]
   Expires: "Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 GMT"
   Cache-Control: "no-cache, must-revalidate, no-store"
   Pragma: "no-cache"
   Cache: "no-cache"

These, plus your META tags, ought to convince the majority of 
browsers to refresh those pages. YMMV.

Cheers,
Richard

> > On a slightly different note...
> > Can you [in the web interface] disable caching?
> > It's happened many times that I have to press the Reload button
> > after clicking a link.
> 
> I noticed this too, and I tried to do it - all the pages have:
>  <meta content="no-cache" http-equiv="Pragma"/>
>  <meta content="-1" http-equiv="Expires"/>
> which I thought should do the trick, but seems a bit patchy.
> 
> Can anyone correct the meta tags or tell me what a better method is?
>
> =Tony Meyer




From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 15 12:13:00 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 14 19:13:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] installation fault
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13019794B8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Hi, spambayes outlook-addin is listed  but not checked. When 
> I check it and restart outlook xp  the add-in is unchecked 
> again. I did register the dll already!

This is known; see:
[ 712480 ] Outlook 2002 (XP) installation fails

I'm fairly sure that Mark has said that this will be fixed in the next
binary release of the plugin; for the moment, I believe the only
solution is to use the CVS version (or alpha2, perhaps).

=Tony Meyer

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 17:13:52 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 19:13:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737955 ] Transient connection error
	disables plugin
Message-ID: <E19G5RY-0005Qi-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737955, was opened at 2003-05-15 09:13
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Transient connection error disables plugin

Initial Comment:
If SpamBayes fails to connect to Outlook (probably due
to a temporary Outlook error), spambayes fails and is
disabled by Outlook.  Original reporter of the bug
confirms that re-booting and re-enabling the addin
caused it to continue normally.

Before I post a bug...

     --jab

Current binary, Win2k, Outlook 2000 sp3

spambayes1.log

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\bbands\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\bbands\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 415 spam and 229 good
messages
Loaded databases in 14.8108ms
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal
dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py",
line 170, in dispatch
  File
"E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File
"E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
601, in _invokeex_
  File
"E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line
655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line
475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line
166, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py",
line 117, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py",
line 158, in _GetMessageStore
pywintypes.com_error: (-2147221231, 'ClassFactory
cannot supply requested class', None, None)


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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 17:21:48 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 19:22:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737874 ] Outlook crash wipes out
	SpamBayes addin settings & training
Message-ID: <E19G5ZE-0005jB-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737874, was opened at 2003-05-15 08:18
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Scott Sanders (giveuptheghost)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook crash wipes out SpamBayes addin settings & training

Initial Comment:
When Outlook crashes, it wipes out the SpamBayes
Outlook Addin's settings, including all its training.
At least, it does for me.

Most programs have their important data and settings in
a file somewhere or the Registry where it somehow can't
be corrupted, much less erased, when a problem comes
up. <sarcasm>Maybe SpamBayes should look into this
concept.</sarcasm>

I've attached the log for the affected session, though,
after perusing it myself, it looks like SpamBayes is
not causing Outlook to crash. I think it has to do with
my network printer driver when I'm offline from the
network, which causes a similar problem with other
programs. (As a workaround, I've removed the Print
button from the Outlook windows that I use, since it
seems to crash just on mouseover!)

I'm running SpamBayes Outlook Addin 002 with Outlook XP
under Windows XP Pro. The other Outlook COM addins that
are enabled are SpamSource and SyncNow.

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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-15 11:21

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

The settings are saved in various files which, for you, are in 
the directory:
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\

Neither the database nor the config pickle should be 
corrupted by an Outlook crash unless they were being used 
at the time.  At one point the plugin didn't save the config 
settings until shutdown (this might even still be the case), so 
if you are crashing before you close Outlook, you would never 
save the settings, which would cause this behaviour.

Check to see if the files are there, before and after the crash, 
and if they are modifed after the crash.

It certainly does seem from the log that neither file is saved.  
This could perhaps be changed, but as I said above, it might 
have done so already since the 002 release.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 17:19:31 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 19:24:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737956 ] No hourglass when building
	folder lists
Message-ID: <E19G5X1-0000sJ-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737956, was opened at 2003-05-15 09:19
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: No hourglass when building folder lists

Initial Comment:
Building the folder list can be slow with an Exchange
server.  For a few seconds, SpamBayes looks like it is
doing nothing - it needs an hourglass.  We will also
need an hourglass when expanding trees, and they are
done on demand.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 17:29:57 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 19:30:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737614 ] Messages go back to "unread"
	status
Message-ID: <E19G5h7-0005xs-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737614, was opened at 2003-05-14 22:44
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Closed
>Resolution: Duplicate
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Paul Moore (pmoore)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Messages go back to "unread" status

Initial Comment:
Occasionally, when using the Outlook plugin, messages 
revert to "unread" status while they are being read. The 
behaviour isn't particularly reproducible, which makes it 
hard to test :-(

I'm using Exchange as my mail backend, Outlook 2000, 
and a version of CVS from somewhen (is there a version 
number I can check? - there are files dated 9th April...)

This has been around for a while, and discussed on the 
mailing list, but I couldn't find a bug for it - if there is 
one, sorry, feel free to close this one!

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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-15 11:29

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

I had to look three times, but I eventually found it.  This 
duplicates:
[ 716684 ] Filtering marks message as unread

Note that this is related (but not the same as) feature request 
680629.

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 15 12:38:56 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 14 19:39:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13019794EF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I don't have a hammie.db file.
> I have 3 files called: hammie.db.dat, hammie.db.bak, hammie.db.dir in 
> C:\Python22\ all 1Kb big.
> And the same 3 files in C:\Python22\spambayes\  all bigger than 1Kb. 
> hammie.db.dat is 42Mb.

I think the problem is probably that you have all of these <wink>.  Use
the web interface to set full pathnames for these files.  You are
interested in the "storage file name" and "message information file
name" options, towards the end of the configuration page.

The problem is that these default to the current working directory,
which, obviously, changes.  The one with the information will be the
42Mb one (which is pretty big; you must have trained an awful lot).

> And if I "delete" my hammie files and start again, isn't it 
> quite possible that the errors will return again with time.

It shouldn't.  If it does then there is definitely a bug here; at the
moment it just looks like a problem with having multiple databases.

> Should I fetch the latest CVS?

That depends ;).  Without knowing what things were like when you got the
code you have now I can't answer.  From what I can tell the latest CVS
is reasonably stable (touch wood).

=Tony Meyer

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 17:49:55 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 19:49:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737967 ] Malformed messages break
	pop3proxy (et al)
Message-ID: <E19G60R-0006XJ-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737967, was opened at 2003-05-15 11:49
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Malformed messages break pop3proxy (et al)

Initial Comment:
Those applications using message.py (pop3proxy, 
imapfilter, maybe others at some point) die if a message 
fails to parse through the email package.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 17:50:40 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 19:50:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737967 ] Malformed messages break
	pop3proxy (et al)
Message-ID: <E19G61A-0006bT-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737967, was opened at 2003-05-15 11:49
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Malformed messages break pop3proxy (et al)

Initial Comment:
Those applications using message.py (pop3proxy, 
imapfilter, maybe others at some point) die if a message 
fails to parse through the email package.

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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-15 11:50

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

(Comment from the list)

As others have said, hammie eats the headers if there is a 
message parsing failure.  This is fairly easy to cause with a 
malformed MIME section.  I mentioned this on list a couple 
times a few months ago (including a message which causes 
it to happen), and the general reaction at the time was that 
Barry should fix the non-strict MIME parser in the email 
package, rather than making the error handling in spambayes 
itself more robust.  This hasn't been a high-priority task, given 
that it's really only idiots like me who hand-craft MIME 
messages (with the occasional error) who are sending 
malformed messages to trigger the problem.

- Alex

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 17:51:22 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 19:51:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737967 ] Malformed messages break
	pop3proxy (et al)
Message-ID: <E19G61q-0006ct-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737967, was opened at 2003-05-15 11:49
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Malformed messages break pop3proxy (et al)

Initial Comment:
Those applications using message.py (pop3proxy, 
imapfilter, maybe others at some point) die if a message 
fails to parse through the email package.

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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-15 11:51

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

I suspect this was behind this (really old closed) bug as well:
[ 650496 ] hammie.py discards headers

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-15 11:50

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

(Comment from the list)

As others have said, hammie eats the headers if there is a 
message parsing failure.  This is fairly easy to cause with a 
malformed MIME section.  I mentioned this on list a couple 
times a few months ago (including a message which causes 
it to happen), and the general reaction at the time was that 
Barry should fix the non-strict MIME parser in the email 
package, rather than making the error handling in spambayes 
itself more robust.  This hasn't been a high-priority task, given 
that it's really only idiots like me who hand-craft MIME 
messages (with the occasional error) who are sending 
malformed messages to trigger the problem.

- Alex

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 17:52:35 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 19:52:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737967 ] Malformed messages break
	pop3proxy (et al)
Message-ID: <E19G631-0006eO-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737967, was opened at 2003-05-15 11:49
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Malformed messages break pop3proxy (et al)

Initial Comment:
Those applications using message.py (pop3proxy, 
imapfilter, maybe others at some point) die if a message 
fails to parse through the email package.

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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-15 11:52

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Moving from "Bugs item #737642":

I'm using pop3proxy (from cvs 2003.05.13) and sometime I'm 
not able to retreive my mail from one my pop account 

I'm getting the following error: 
error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel 
<__main__.ServerLineReader c 
onnected at 0x138d160> 
(email.Errors.HeaderParseError:Not a header, not a contin 
uation: ``charset="iso-8859-1"'' 
[C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\lib\asyncore.py| 
poll|99] 
[C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2
\lib\asyncore.py|handle_read_event|396] 
[ 
C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2
\lib\asynchat.py|handle_read|130] 
[C:\Devtools\SPAM 
BA~1\SPAMBA~1.13\POP3PR~1.PY|found_terminator|146] 
[C:\Devtools\SPAMBA~1\SPAMBA~ 
1.13\POP3PR~1.PY|onServerLine|214] 
[C:\Devtools\SPAMBA~1\SPAMBA~1.13\POP3PR~1.PY 
|onResponse|288] 
[C:\Devtools\SPAMBA~1\SPAMBA~1.13
\POP3PR~1.PY|onTransaction|389 
] 
[C:\Devtools\SPAMBA~1\SPAMBA~1.13
\POP3PR~1.PY|onRetr|436] 
[C:\Devtools\SPAMBA~ 
1\SPAMBA~1.13\spambayes\message.py|setPayload|168] 
[C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1. 
2\lib\email\Parser.py|_parsebody|228] 
[C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\lib\email\P 
arser.py|parsestr|75] 
[C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\lib\email\Parser.py|parse|6 
2] 
[C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2
\lib\email\Parser.py|_parseheaders|128]) 


I retrieve the mail directly without using pop3proxy 
and tested each message with the classify options on 
the web interface and there was not problem. 

Remi 
papaDoc@videotron.ca 


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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-15 11:51

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

I suspect this was behind this (really old closed) bug as well:
[ 650496 ] hammie.py discards headers

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-15 11:50

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

(Comment from the list)

As others have said, hammie eats the headers if there is a 
message parsing failure.  This is fairly easy to cause with a 
malformed MIME section.  I mentioned this on list a couple 
times a few months ago (including a message which causes 
it to happen), and the general reaction at the time was that 
Barry should fix the non-strict MIME parser in the email 
package, rather than making the error handling in spambayes 
itself more robust.  This hasn't been a high-priority task, given 
that it's really only idiots like me who hand-craft MIME 
messages (with the occasional error) who are sending 
malformed messages to trigger the problem.

- Alex

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 17:53:24 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 19:53:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737642 ] Hang when trying to get
	message
Message-ID: <E19G63o-0006fV-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737642, was opened at 2003-05-14 23:59
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Category: pop3proxy
Group: None
>Status: Closed
>Resolution: Duplicate
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Remi Ricard (papadoc)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Hang  when trying to get message

Initial Comment:
Hi,

I'm using pop3proxy (from cvs 2003.05.13) and sometime I'm
not able to retreive my mail from one my pop account

I'm getting the following error:
error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel
<__main__.ServerLineReader c
onnected at 0x138d160>
(email.Errors.HeaderParseError:Not a header, not a contin
uation: ``charset="iso-8859-1"''
[C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\lib\asyncore.py|
poll|99]
[C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\lib\asyncore.py|handle_read_event|396]
[
C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\lib\asynchat.py|handle_read|130]
[C:\Devtools\SPAM
BA~1\SPAMBA~1.13\POP3PR~1.PY|found_terminator|146]
[C:\Devtools\SPAMBA~1\SPAMBA~
1.13\POP3PR~1.PY|onServerLine|214]
[C:\Devtools\SPAMBA~1\SPAMBA~1.13\POP3PR~1.PY
|onResponse|288]
[C:\Devtools\SPAMBA~1\SPAMBA~1.13\POP3PR~1.PY|onTransaction|389
]
[C:\Devtools\SPAMBA~1\SPAMBA~1.13\POP3PR~1.PY|onRetr|436]
[C:\Devtools\SPAMBA~
1\SPAMBA~1.13\spambayes\message.py|setPayload|168]
[C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.
2\lib\email\Parser.py|_parsebody|228]
[C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\lib\email\P
arser.py|parsestr|75]
[C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\lib\email\Parser.py|parse|6
2]
[C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\lib\email\Parser.py|_parseheaders|128])


I retrieve the mail directly without using pop3proxy
and tested each message with the classify options on
the web interface and there was not problem.

Remi
papaDoc@videotron.ca


N.B. How can I find which messge is causing problem and
how can I get an hand on it ?


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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-15 11:53

Message:
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Moved to  [ spambayes-Bugs-737967 ] Malformed messages 
break pop3proxy (et al)

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 15 12:56:45 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 14 19:58:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301979517@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> This look like my error (see  spambayes-Bugs-737642).

I don't think that they are the same.  Peter's trace shows a problem
trying to get a word score, yours shows a problem trying to parse a
message.

> I don't think it is a database problem since when I'm using an old 
> version of spambayes (CVS from 2003.03.25) I don't get the error.

I'm pretty sure that the problem is caused by a malformed message.
There has been some discussion about these on the list recently (in
particular see Alex's message), as well as a while back.

I suspect that the old version of pop3proxy didn't use the email package
to parse the mail, but the new (via message.py) does.

I'm going to close your bug and open a new one about malformed mime
messages.  I'll move your comments into it, as well as Alex's.
Something does need to be done.

> N.B. How can I find which messge is causing problem and
> how can I get an hand on it ?

If you set the "globals":"verbose" option to True in your config file
you will have a _pop3proxy.log file created that logs the POP3
conversation.  If you look at that, I *think* that you will be able to
figure out which message is causing the problem.  (It will probably stop
at one message, which is not the last one).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 15 13:15:19 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 14 20:15:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training via IMAP Filter
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130197953A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Can you explain the circumstances under which the unique ID 
> can change?

Unfortunately, it can change whenever the server wants it to (blame
Crispin, not me!).  A good server wouldn't change them, but it is
allowed to.  The RFC says:
   The unique identifier of a message MUST NOT change during the
   session, and SHOULD NOT change between sessions
It's the SHOULD instead of MUST that is the problem.  The IMAP uids are
also a pain because they are only unique within a folder, so a full id
would also need to store a unique id for the folder, but no such thing
exists (the name can change, and the UIDVALIDITY value *must* change at
certain times). 

> I'm envisioning a system
[...]
> In that sort of situation, would it be possible 
> to rely on IMAP's unique ID to track messages?

Unfortunately not.  The way the spec is written the UID could change
every time you log into the server (the RFC even offers this as a
possibility).

> If I'm totally stumped I'll be sure to submit a bug, or at 
> least to ask a very specific question or two. I'd like to try to fix
> things on my own first, though.

No worries.  Please make sure that if you figure out the problem you
submit a patch, though!

> The first step there would be to figure out why 
> adding -i4 to the command line doesn't give me any additional console 
> output. I know where to look, though.

That's definitely the first step.  The IMAP debugging material really
does clarify where things are going wrong.  (And, IMO, 4 is the most
useful level).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 15 13:18:12 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 14 20:18:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130197953F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Not directly.  You should be able to install Python+Spambayes 
> on your system and use the pop3proxy to train and classify 
> incoming mail though.  You would then point Outlook Express 
> at the proxy instead of the real POP3 server.

BTW, there's lots of explanation about how to do this in the docs.  Note
that you can't use the smtpproxy with Outlook Express at the moment, so
training has to be done via the web interface (or one of the command
line tools).

> If you use IMAP to retrieve your mail there is an IMAP filter 
> in the works, though I don't know how ready for prime time it 
> is at this point.

I would say that it's finally reached alpha.  No guarantees that it will
always work, but it should for the most part.  *As long as no other
program expunges/purges messages* your original mail is never lost, in
any case.

=Tony Meyer

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 18:20:02 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 20:20:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737874 ] Outlook crash wipes out
	SpamBayes addin settings & training
Message-ID: <E19G6Ta-0003r5-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737874, was opened at 2003-05-14 16:18
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Scott Sanders (giveuptheghost)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook crash wipes out SpamBayes addin settings & training

Initial Comment:
When Outlook crashes, it wipes out the SpamBayes
Outlook Addin's settings, including all its training.
At least, it does for me.

Most programs have their important data and settings in
a file somewhere or the Registry where it somehow can't
be corrupted, much less erased, when a problem comes
up. <sarcasm>Maybe SpamBayes should look into this
concept.</sarcasm>

I've attached the log for the affected session, though,
after perusing it myself, it looks like SpamBayes is
not causing Outlook to crash. I think it has to do with
my network printer driver when I'm offline from the
network, which causes a similar problem with other
programs. (As a workaround, I've removed the Print
button from the Outlook windows that I use, since it
seems to crash just on mouseover!)

I'm running SpamBayes Outlook Addin 002 with Outlook XP
under Windows XP Pro. The other Outlook COM addins that
are enabled are SpamSource and SyncNow.

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>Comment By: Scott Sanders (giveuptheghost)
Date: 2003-05-14 20:20

Message:
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Hi.

The last crash occurred this afternoon, and the settings
files that exist and their modified dates are as follows:

default_bayes_customize.ini - 5/10/2003 3:45 PM
default_bayes_database.db - 5/13/2003 3:59 PM
default_configuration.pck - 5/13/2003 3:59 PM
default_message_database.db - 5/10/2003 3:45 PM

Apparently the settings/training isn't changed until Outlook
is closed? I usually have Outlook always running, and I
seldom intentionally close it, except for an Outlook-related
program update (rare) or if I shut down my comp. (also
rare). I may be an exception, but I think the
settings/training should be written at the time of
setting/training.

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-14 19:21

Message:
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The settings are saved in various files which, for you, are in 
the directory:
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\

Neither the database nor the config pickle should be 
corrupted by an Outlook crash unless they were being used 
at the time.  At one point the plugin didn't save the config 
settings until shutdown (this might even still be the case), so 
if you are crashing before you close Outlook, you would never 
save the settings, which would cause this behaviour.

Check to see if the files are there, before and after the crash, 
and if they are modifed after the crash.

It certainly does seem from the log that neither file is saved.  
This could perhaps be changed, but as I said above, it might 
have done so already since the 002 release.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 19:00:30 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 21:00:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737956 ] No hourglass when building
	folder lists
Message-ID: <E19G76k-0005DV-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737956, was opened at 2003-05-15 09:19
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Closed
>Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: No hourglass when building folder lists

Initial Comment:
Building the folder list can be slow with an Exchange
server.  For a few seconds, SpamBayes looks like it is
doing nothing - it needs an hourglass.  We will also
need an hourglass when expanding trees, and they are
done on demand.

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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-15 11:00

Message:
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Checking in FolderSelector.py;
new revision: 1.17; previous revision: 1.16


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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 19:04:47 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 21:04:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737955 ] Transient connection error
	disables plugin
Message-ID: <E19G7At-0004Ea-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737955, was opened at 2003-05-15 09:13
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Closed
>Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Transient connection error disables plugin

Initial Comment:
If SpamBayes fails to connect to Outlook (probably due
to a temporary Outlook error), spambayes fails and is
disabled by Outlook.  Original reporter of the bug
confirms that re-booting and re-enabling the addin
caused it to continue normally.

Before I post a bug...

     --jab

Current binary, Win2k, Outlook 2000 sp3

spambayes1.log

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\bbands\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\bbands\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 415 spam and 229 good
messages
Loaded databases in 14.8108ms
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal
dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py",
line 170, in dispatch
  File
"E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File
"E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
601, in _invokeex_
  File
"E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line
655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line
475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line
166, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py",
line 117, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py",
line 158, in _GetMessageStore
pywintypes.com_error: (-2147221231, 'ClassFactory
cannot supply requested class', None, None)


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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-15 11:04

Message:
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Checking in manager.py;
/cvsroot/spambayes/spambayes/Outlook2000/manager.py,v  <-- 
manager.py
new revision: 1.57; previous revision: 1.56
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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 19:09:11 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 21:09:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737986 ] Message.as_string() fails.
Message-ID: <E19G7F9-0000RX-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737986, was opened at 2003-05-15 13:09
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Message.as_string() fails.

Initial Comment:
Reported on the list and discussed via email.  Sadly, 
this one has me beaten; I really can't figure out why it's 
going wrong.

---
I've attached two plain text files. One is from using 
evolution, the other 
mozilla. Mozilla tries to access two accounts. But it 
only accesses the 
second account after I've cancelled the session because 
it's hung from the 
first.

It looks to me ( great email expert that I am ) that it 
does all the 
negotiations, dl's the first mesage and then just freezes. 
Note that in the 
evolution file, I had it get mail from an empty server. All 
went fine.
---
When evol gets the mail, it says getting pop summary, 
then hangs waiting for 
  the first message.

at the terminal window where I ran pop3proxy I get:

error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel 
<__main__.ServerLineReader connected at 0x8353a4c> 
(exceptions.TypeError:len() of unsized object 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py|poll|99] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py|handle_read_event|396] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/asynchat.py|handle_read|130] 
[/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py|found_terminator|147] 
[/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py|onServerLine|215] 
[/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py|onResponse|289] 
[/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py|onTransaction|390] 
[/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py|onRetr|459]
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/spambayes/message.py|as_string|193] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Message.py|as_string|109] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Generator.py|flatten|102] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Generator.py|_write|137] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Generator.py|_write_headers|183] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Header.py|encode|412] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Header.py|_split|297] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Charset.py|encoded_header_len|341])
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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 19:10:43 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 21:10:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737986 ] Message.as_string() fails.
Message-ID: <E19G7Gd-0005Yy-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737986, was opened at 2003-05-15 13:09
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Message.as_string() fails.

Initial Comment:
Reported on the list and discussed via email.  Sadly, 
this one has me beaten; I really can't figure out why it's 
going wrong.

---
I've attached two plain text files. One is from using 
evolution, the other 
mozilla. Mozilla tries to access two accounts. But it 
only accesses the 
second account after I've cancelled the session because 
it's hung from the 
first.

It looks to me ( great email expert that I am ) that it 
does all the 
negotiations, dl's the first mesage and then just freezes. 
Note that in the 
evolution file, I had it get mail from an empty server. All 
went fine.
---
When evol gets the mail, it says getting pop summary, 
then hangs waiting for 
  the first message.

at the terminal window where I ran pop3proxy I get:

error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel 
<__main__.ServerLineReader connected at 0x8353a4c> 
(exceptions.TypeError:len() of unsized object 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py|poll|99] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py|handle_read_event|396] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/asynchat.py|handle_read|130] 
[/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py|found_terminator|147] 
[/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py|onServerLine|215] 
[/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py|onResponse|289] 
[/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py|onTransaction|390] 
[/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py|onRetr|459]
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/spambayes/message.py|as_string|193] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Message.py|as_string|109] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Generator.py|flatten|102] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Generator.py|_write|137] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Generator.py|_write_headers|183] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Header.py|encode|412] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Header.py|_split|297] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Charset.py|encoded_header_len|341])
---

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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-15 13:10

Message:
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This is the second file.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 14 19:13:54 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 14 21:14:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-717998 ] Can't reset Spam folder if
	folder is lost
Message-ID: <E19G7Ji-0005fU-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #717998, was opened at 2003-04-09 15:37
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Pending
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Can't reset Spam folder if folder is lost

Initial Comment:
If the Spam Manager is set up to move spam to a folder
and that folder disappears, the Spam Manager may show
that spam is to be delivered to <unkown folder>. In
this event trying to browse the folder list will not
list any folders, and you will be unable to set the
Spam folder to anything else.



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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-15 11:13

Message:
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This works for me now.  The code was changed on 2003/03/07
to better handle these exceptions all over the code.  I
tried to reproduce your example, and do get "<unknown
folder>", but when clicking on the browse button I get a
standard dialog with no folder selected.

How does your spam folder keep disappearing?

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Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-05-02 02:19

Message:
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user_id=752965

Is it possible to add a button that puts you back to the
root folder if the number of folders available is less than
2 or something?

Currently (and this has happened a couple times since my
original posting) my only fix is to delete the configuration
file (default_configuration.pck).

-Astrogen

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Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-04-15 07:32

Message:
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Just figured there would be a log file somewhere.. but
anywho... I manually ran manager.py Heres the traceback
(copied and pasted from a dos prompt window)

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File
"C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py",
line 309, in
OnInitDialog
    self.expand_ids = self._DetermineFoldersToExpand()
  File
"C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py",
line 226, in
_DetermineFoldersToExpand
    folder = self.manager.message_store.GetFolder(folder_id)
  File "C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line
225, in GetFolder
    table = folder.GetContentsTable(0)
pywintypes.com_error: (-2147467259, 'Unspecified error',
None, None)
win32ui: OnInitDialog() virtual handler (<bound method
FolderSelector.OnInitDial
og of <dialogs.FolderSelector.FolderSelector instance at
0x02134A78>>) raised an
 exception
Bayes database is not dirty - not writing

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Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-04-15 07:26

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Where is the log file kept? I looked for it before
submitting, and since your posted. I don't have the name or
location for where I could find it.

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-04-10 16:06

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

If there a traceback associated with this?  I regularly
"test" this, thanks to Outlook screwing all my folder IDs as
I reconfigure Outlook, and I don't have the problem.

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From mail at peterbe.com  Thu May 15 02:25:32 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed May 14 21:18:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug in UserInterface.py
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030515012350.0222d1c8@mail.grenna.net>

I checked out the latest a couple of hours ago, and when running the 
pop3proxy and trying to train an mbx file I got an error about StringIO in 
UserInterface.py

So, at the top of that file I added (including old stuff)

import re
import time
import email
import binascii
import cgi
import mailbox
import types

# Added by me
import StringIO

import PyMeldLite
import Dibbler
import tokenizer


Now it works.
Sorry for not copying the error message I got.


Peter


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 15 14:30:30 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 14 21:31:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug in UserInterface.py
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130197959C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I checked out the latest a couple of hours ago, and when running the 
> pop3proxy and trying to train an mbx file I got an error 
> about StringIO in UserInterface.py

Fixed in cvs (about a minute ago).

Thanks for pointing it out.

=Tony Meyer

From mail at peterbe.com  Thu May 15 11:46:07 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Thu May 15 05:46:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Won't start the second time
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030515104414.0220a0e8@mail.grenna.net>

Yesterday I downloaded the latest CVS version and starting it worked fine. 
Then I turned that off when I went to bed and tried to start it again today.
This time I get the following error::

C:\Python22\spambayes>C:\python22\python.exe pop3proxy.py
Loading database...
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "pop3proxy.py", line 738, in ?
     run()
   File "pop3proxy.py", line 713, in run
     state.createWorkers()
   File "pop3proxy.py", line 559, in createWorkers
     self.bayes = storage.DBDictClassifier(filename)
   File "spambayes\storage.py", line 139, in __init__
     self.load()
   File "spambayes\storage.py", line 151, in load
     t = self.db[self.statekey]
   File "C:\Python22\lib\shelve.py", line 71, in __getitem__
     return Unpickler(f).load()
EOFError
Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "'NoneType' object has no attribute 
'error'
" in <bound method _Database.__del__ of <dumbdbm._Database instance at 
0x00A208A
0>> ignored


Any ideas what this might be? Is it a bug?
Solutions?


Peter


From mail at peterbe.com  Thu May 15 11:49:39 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Thu May 15 06:30:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13019794EF@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030515104626.0221b188@mail.grenna.net>


>
>I think the problem is probably that you have all of these <wink>.  Use
>the web interface to set full pathnames for these files.  You are
>interested in the "storage file name" and "message information file
>name" options, towards the end of the configuration page.

Now I downloaded the latest CVS and that previous problem went away.
This time I don't just set hammie.db but C:\Python22\spambayes\hammie.db 
for that setting.

>The problem is that these default to the current working directory,
>which, obviously, changes.  The one with the information will be the
>42Mb one (which is pretty big; you must have trained an awful lot).

Not really about 3000 ham and 400 spam. I'm now just trying to train more spam.


> > Should I fetch the latest CVS?
>
>That depends ;).  Without knowing what things were like when you got the
>code you have now I can't answer.  From what I can tell the latest CVS
>is reasonably stable (touch wood).

The latest CVS was quite different from the released gzip. Now I've got 
another problem though, but I've posted that in a separate email.


Cheers,
Peter 


From lists at olivermaunder.co.uk  Thu May 15 15:30:45 2003
From: lists at olivermaunder.co.uk (Oliver Maunder)
Date: Thu May 15 09:31:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130197953F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130197953F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <3EC39685.1020503@olivermaunder.co.uk>

Meyer, Tony wrote:

>I would say that it's finally reached alpha.  No guarantees that it will
>always work, but it should for the most part.  *As long as no other
>program expunges/purges messages* your original mail is never lost, in
>any case.
>  
>
Seems good to me. It's now been filtering my mail every 15 minutes for 
12 days with no problems.

What I've just realised is more amazing is that *Windows* has been 
running for 12 days without any problems ;-)

Olly



From Greg at springcreek.cc  Thu May 15 09:21:06 2003
From: Greg at springcreek.cc (Greg Lozier)
Date: Thu May 15 09:42:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installation error
Message-ID: <OMEKJCAGJJMGLFBANMEEIEAOCCAA.Greg@springcreek.cc>

I installed spambayes today and while installing I received an error message
that there is no disk in the drive.  Please insert a disk into drive
\device\harddisk1\dr3.  I cancel the error message and it finished loading.
It is operational in outlook 2000 now, but when I start outlook I get the
above error message.  After hitting cancel a few times it will go away and
outlook will load.

I am running windows xp professional.  I am not running XEmacs.
I don't have a Zip drive and drive D is a partition of my internal hard
drive.
Drive E is an internal slot to insert a memory stick.

What is causing this error?

Thanks,
Greg


From tim.one at comcast.net  Thu May 15 11:05:28 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu May 15 10:06:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installation error
In-Reply-To: <OMEKJCAGJJMGLFBANMEEIEAOCCAA.Greg@springcreek.cc>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHAEDHFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Greg Lozier]
> I installed spambayes today and while installing I received an
> error message that there is no disk in the drive.  Please insert a
> disk into drive \device\harddisk1\dr3.  I cancel the error message
> and it finished loading.
> It is operational in outlook 2000 now, but when I start outlook I get the
> above error message.  After hitting cancel a few times it will go away
> and outlook will load.
>
> I am running windows xp professional.  I am not running XEmacs.
> I don't have a Zip drive and drive D is a partition of my internal hard
> drive.
> Drive E is an internal slot to insert a memory stick.
>
> What is causing this error?

Sorry, nobody knows.  It would help if you opened a bug report, so that
if/when this pops up again we can gather info about it in one place:

    http://sf.net/tracker/?group_id=61702&atid=498103

It would also help if you could convince Microsoft to share the Outlook
source code with us <wink>.


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 15 08:43:05 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Thu May 15 10:43:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-717998 ] Can't reset Spam folder if
	folder is lost
Message-ID: <E19GJwn-0003ZL-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #717998, was opened at 2003-04-09 00:37
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by astrogen
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Can't reset Spam folder if folder is lost

Initial Comment:
If the Spam Manager is set up to move spam to a folder
and that folder disappears, the Spam Manager may show
that spam is to be delivered to <unkown folder>. In
this event trying to browse the folder list will not
list any folders, and you will be unable to set the
Spam folder to anything else.



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>Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-05-15 09:43

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Usually It gets deleted while removing all the spam (trash
does not need to be emptied, but sometimes it has been).

-Astrogen

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-14 20:13

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

This works for me now.  The code was changed on 2003/03/07
to better handle these exceptions all over the code.  I
tried to reproduce your example, and do get "<unknown
folder>", but when clicking on the browse button I get a
standard dialog with no folder selected.

How does your spam folder keep disappearing?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-05-01 11:19

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Is it possible to add a button that puts you back to the
root folder if the number of folders available is less than
2 or something?

Currently (and this has happened a couple times since my
original posting) my only fix is to delete the configuration
file (default_configuration.pck).

-Astrogen

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Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-04-14 16:32

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Just figured there would be a log file somewhere.. but
anywho... I manually ran manager.py Heres the traceback
(copied and pasted from a dos prompt window)

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File
"C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py",
line 309, in
OnInitDialog
    self.expand_ids = self._DetermineFoldersToExpand()
  File
"C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py",
line 226, in
_DetermineFoldersToExpand
    folder = self.manager.message_store.GetFolder(folder_id)
  File "C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line
225, in GetFolder
    table = folder.GetContentsTable(0)
pywintypes.com_error: (-2147467259, 'Unspecified error',
None, None)
win32ui: OnInitDialog() virtual handler (<bound method
FolderSelector.OnInitDial
og of <dialogs.FolderSelector.FolderSelector instance at
0x02134A78>>) raised an
 exception
Bayes database is not dirty - not writing

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Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-04-14 16:26

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Where is the log file kept? I looked for it before
submitting, and since your posted. I don't have the name or
location for where I could find it.

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-04-10 01:06

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

If there a traceback associated with this?  I regularly
"test" this, thanks to Outlook screwing all my folder IDs as
I reconfigure Outlook, and I don't have the problem.

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From neale at woozle.org  Thu May 15 11:17:33 2003
From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett)
Date: Thu May 15 13:17:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: A doubt
In-Reply-To: <1619.132.248.159.60.1052784952.squirrel@mail>
	(cynthia@super.unam.mx's
	message of "Mon, 12 May 2003 19:15:52 -0500 (CDT)")
References: <1619.132.248.159.60.1052784952.squirrel@mail>
Message-ID: <w538yt83z9u.fsf@woozle.org>

cynthia@super.unam.mx writes:

> Hi!
>
> I am writing from Mexico, I installed spambayes correctly and when I want
> to create a database I receive this error message:
>
> bsddb._db.DBInvalidArgError: (22, 'Invalid argument -- architecture lacks
> fast mutexes: applications cannot be threaded')
>
> The machine is an Alpha DS-20 with Linux Red Hat 7.2
>
> Can you help me.
>
> Thanks a lot.

?Hola, Cynthia!  I'm not sure about that one, so I'm forwarding your
question on to the spambayes mailing list.  However, I *think* you can
add the following to your ~/.spambayesrc file:

  [globals]
  dbm_type: gdbm

Let me know if this works, and please Cc: the list so your report can be
archived.  ?Gracias para utilizar SpamBayes!

Neale

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 15 15:27:59 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Thu May 15 17:28:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-738501 ] AttributeError second time
	around with pop3proxy
Message-ID: <E19GQGd-0007yg-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #738501, was opened at 2003-05-15 21:27
Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter
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Category: pop3proxy
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Peter Bengtsson (peterbe)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: AttributeError second time around with pop3proxy

Initial Comment:
Yesterday (14/05) I downloaded the latest CVS version
and starting it; worked fine. Then I turned that off
when I went to bed and tried to start it again today.
This time I get the following error::


C:\Python22\spambayes>C:\python22\python.exe pop3proxy.py
Loading database...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "pop3proxy.py", line 738, in ?
    run()
  File "pop3proxy.py", line 713, in run
    state.createWorkers()
  File "pop3proxy.py", line 559, in createWorkers
    self.bayes = storage.DBDictClassifier(filename)
  File "spambayes\storage.py", line 139, in __init__
    self.load()
  File "spambayes\storage.py", line 151, in load
    t = self.db[self.statekey]
  File "C:\Python22\lib\shelve.py", line 71, in __getitem__
    return Unpickler(f).load()
EOFError
Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "'NoneType' object
has no attribute 'error'
" in <bound method _Database.__del__ of
<dumbdbm._Database instance at 0x00A208A
0>> ignored



Any ideas what this might be? Is it a bug?
Solutions?


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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 15 15:56:19 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Thu May 15 17:56:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-717998 ] Can't reset Spam folder if
	folder is lost
Message-ID: <E19GQi3-0000kC-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #717998, was opened at 2003-04-09 15:37
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by mhammond
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Can't reset Spam folder if folder is lost

Initial Comment:
If the Spam Manager is set up to move spam to a folder
and that folder disappears, the Spam Manager may show
that spam is to be delivered to <unkown folder>. In
this event trying to browse the folder list will not
list any folders, and you will be unable to set the
Spam folder to anything else.



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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-16 07:56

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Can you please confirm if you can still reproduce this?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-05-16 00:43

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Usually It gets deleted while removing all the spam (trash
does not need to be emptied, but sometimes it has been).

-Astrogen

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-15 11:13

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

This works for me now.  The code was changed on 2003/03/07
to better handle these exceptions all over the code.  I
tried to reproduce your example, and do get "<unknown
folder>", but when clicking on the browse button I get a
standard dialog with no folder selected.

How does your spam folder keep disappearing?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-05-02 02:19

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Is it possible to add a button that puts you back to the
root folder if the number of folders available is less than
2 or something?

Currently (and this has happened a couple times since my
original posting) my only fix is to delete the configuration
file (default_configuration.pck).

-Astrogen

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-04-15 07:32

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Just figured there would be a log file somewhere.. but
anywho... I manually ran manager.py Heres the traceback
(copied and pasted from a dos prompt window)

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File
"C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py",
line 309, in
OnInitDialog
    self.expand_ids = self._DetermineFoldersToExpand()
  File
"C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py",
line 226, in
_DetermineFoldersToExpand
    folder = self.manager.message_store.GetFolder(folder_id)
  File "C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line
225, in GetFolder
    table = folder.GetContentsTable(0)
pywintypes.com_error: (-2147467259, 'Unspecified error',
None, None)
win32ui: OnInitDialog() virtual handler (<bound method
FolderSelector.OnInitDial
og of <dialogs.FolderSelector.FolderSelector instance at
0x02134A78>>) raised an
 exception
Bayes database is not dirty - not writing

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-04-15 07:26

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Where is the log file kept? I looked for it before
submitting, and since your posted. I don't have the name or
location for where I could find it.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-04-10 16:06

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

If there a traceback associated with this?  I regularly
"test" this, thanks to Outlook screwing all my folder IDs as
I reconfigure Outlook, and I don't have the problem.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 15 17:05:41 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Thu May 15 19:05:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-709051 ] Config file loading and
	saving is fragile
Message-ID: <E19GRnB-0002oP-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #709051, was opened at 2003-03-25 09:19
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by mhammond
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Closed
>Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Config file loading and saving is fragile

Initial Comment:
There was a report of this error using the second
binary release:

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py",
line 170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
line 322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line
655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line
475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line
152, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line
355, in LoadConfig
exceptions.EOFError: 

While there is another problem that caused this error,
we should not die completely loading the config pickle
should it get screwed up.  However, as this means
spambayes will be unconfigured, we do need a scheme to
let the user know this (as we do in the few other
places where we disable spambayes due to config errors)

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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-16 09:05

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Fixed in manager.py revision 1.56, as part of fixing 715248
(which was the same bug, but for the database pickle)

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-04-04 22:05

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

I'm afraid you are wrong about the config file being the
same as the word database.  You are however correct about
the saving.  As we have the 2 pickles, I will track the
Outlook config pickle in this bug, and opened:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=715248&group_id=61702&atid=498103
to track the word database bug.


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Comment By: Simone Piunno (pioppo)
Date: 2003-04-04 20:28

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=227443

I disagree, the "configuration pickle" and the "word database" are the 
very same file. 
 
Moreover, without this path you seriously risk to completely loose 
your word database, in case execution stops beween open() (which 
truncates the file to zero length) and pickle.dump(). 
 
Execution could stop for whatever reason, from CTRL+C to system 
crash, so it's of vital importance that the file update is atomic, which 
should be guaranteed by rename(). 
 
I think this is a bug for sure, even if you don't plan to add support to 
concurrency. 
 
Of course this is not enough when you add concurrency, because you 
could loose some training information if 2 separate instances try to 
update the word database at the same time (they will both read the old 
file, then they will both create the temp file, then the second rename() 
will overwrite the result of the first one). 
 
To solve this, you should add some locking mechanism (in addition to 
atomic rename()), which could be out of your scope, I understand, but 
I think this would be a very useful enhancement on spambayes 
usability. 
 
If you need some code example, you can look at Mailman's handling 
of the MailList object persistency. 

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-04-04 09:19

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Check the traceback is the same as yours - this error is
loading the configuration pickle, not the word database. 
Thus, locking shouldn't be the issue, as I can't see how two
threads or processes could write this file at once (Outlook
appears to have its own lock for startup; I've never seen
spambayes running twice in different processes.)

So, your patch wont help this exception.  However, if you
are getting a slightly different EOFError, you patch may apply.

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Comment By: Simone Piunno (pioppo)
Date: 2003-04-04 08:01

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=227443

Maybe this patch would be a little (but insufficient)  
improvement?  I'd upload it as a separate file, but there's  
no "upload" button.... 
 
--- spambayes/storage.py.orig   2003-04-03 
23:35:47.000000000 +0200 
+++ spambayes/storage.py        2003-04-03 
23:43:16.000000000 +0200 
@@ -59,6 +59,7 @@ 
 import cPickle as pickle 
 import errno 
 import shelve 
+import os 
 from spambayes import dbmstorage 
  
 # Make shelve use binary pickles by default. 
@@ -121,9 +122,10 @@ 
         if options.verbose: 
             print 'Persisting',self.db_name,'as a pickle' 
  
-        fp = open(self.db_name, 'wb') 
+        fp = open(self.db_name+'.tmp', 'wb') 
         pickle.dump(self, fp, PICKLE_TYPE) 
         fp.close() 
+        os.rename(self.db_name+'.tmp', self.db_name) 
  
  
 class DBDictClassifier(classifier.Classifier): 
 
  

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Comment By: Simone Piunno (pioppo)
Date: 2003-04-04 05:38

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=227443

I have another case, but without apparent cause: 
 
Traceback (most recent call last): 
  File "/home/mailman21/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in 
_oneloop 
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata) 
  File "/home/mailman21/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in 
_onefile 
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) 
  File "/home/mailman21/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 
69, in _dispose 
    mlist.Load() 
  File "/home/mailman21/Mailman/MailList.py", line 626, in Load 
    self._spamdb = hammie.open(path, 0) 
  File "/home/mailman21/pythonlib/spambayes/hammie.py", line 
262, in open 
    b = storage.PickledClassifier(filename) 
  File "/home/mailman21/pythonlib/spambayes/storage.py", line 
80, in __init__ 
    self.load() 
  File "/home/mailman21/pythonlib/spambayes/storage.py", line 
98, in load 
    tempbayes = pickle.load(fp) 
EOFError 
 
it happens quite often but not always, I believe it is a concurrency 
issue (e.g. lack of locking). 

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Date: 2003-03-25 09:56

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The reporter just let me know that the problem was caused by
about 20 power failures over short period.  So I don't think
we can cure the cause here, just the symptoms.

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From sidnei at x3ng.com  Thu May 15 19:21:39 2003
From: sidnei at x3ng.com (Sidnei da Silva)
Date: Thu May 15 19:13:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Small patch to spambayes
Message-ID: <20030515212139.GA19074@x3ng.com>

Howdy,

I just checked out spambayes from CVS, and had to make two small
modifications to get it to read my maildir for training.

Attached theres a patch. Thanks!

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GNU/Linux user 257852
Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (Sid) 2.4.18 ppc

Please go away.
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Index: mboxtrain.py
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/spambayes/spambayes/mboxtrain.py,v
retrieving revision 1.7
diff -u -r1.7 mboxtrain.py
--- mboxtrain.py	13 Apr 2003 22:24:24 -0000	1.7
+++ mboxtrain.py	15 May 2003 21:19:18 -0000
@@ -32,7 +32,7 @@
         need to rebuild your database from scratch.
     -q
         quiet mode; no output
-        
+
     -n  train mail residing in "new" directory, in addition to "cur" directory,
         which is always trained
 """
@@ -96,6 +96,9 @@
     trained = 0
 
     for fn in os.listdir(path):
+        # Skip dirs
+        if os.path.isdir(fn):
+            continue
         counter += 1
         cfn = os.path.join(path, fn)
         tfn = os.path.join(path, "tmp",
Index: spambayes/classifier.py
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/spambayes/spambayes/spambayes/classifier.py,v
retrieving revision 1.4
diff -u -r1.4 classifier.py
--- spambayes/classifier.py	8 Feb 2003 17:18:37 -0000	1.4
+++ spambayes/classifier.py	15 May 2003 21:19:19 -0000
@@ -389,6 +389,8 @@
             self.nham = int(self.nham) + 1   # account for string nham
 
         for word in Set(wordstream):
+            if type(word) is type(u''):
+                word = word.encode('latin1')
             record = self._wordinfoget(word)
             if record is None:
                 record = self.WordInfoClass()
From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 15 17:18:40 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Thu May 15 19:18:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-706170 ] Execute test suite fails in
	Outlook
Message-ID: <E19GRzk-0002gY-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #706170, was opened at 2003-03-19 21:03
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Closed
Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Fredrik Rodland (fmmr)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Execute test suite fails in Outlook

Initial Comment:
The test suite fails in outlook.

I've retrained messages from a spam and a ham folder.

I think this may be related to moving the database-files 
from the spambayes to the default docs-folders in 
windows a couple of weeks ago.

the following traceback is shown in PythonWin:

Executing automated tests...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\addin.py", line 308, in Tester
    tester.test(manager)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\tester.py", line 306, in test
    TestSpamFilter(driver)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\tester.py", line 173, in TestSpamFilter
    msg, words = driver.CreateTestMessageInFolder
(SPAM, driver.folder_watch)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\tester.py", line 132, in 
CreateTestMessageInFolder
    msg, words = self.CreateTestMessage(spam_status)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\tester.py", line 145, in CreateTestMessage
    words.update(FindTopWords(self.manager.bayes, 50, 
True))
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\tester.py", line 64, in FindTopWords
    for word, info in extractor(bayes):
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\
Outlook2000\tester.py", line 46, in DBExtractor
    key = bayes.dbm.next()[0]
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\_DEV\Python22\Lib\site-
packages\bsddb3\__init__.py", line 122, in next
    rv = self.dbc.next()
DBNotFoundError: (-30991, 'DB_NOTFOUND: No 
matching key/data pair found')
Tests FAILED.  Sorry about that.  If I were you, I would 
do a full re-train ASAP
Please delete any test messages from your Spam, 
Unsure or Inbox folders first.

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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-16 09:18

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tester.py 1.8 has a (tested!) fix for this.

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Comment By: Fredrik Rodland (fmmr)
Date: 2003-05-14 21:34

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I tried this again today with the latest CVS (may 14th).  the 
error is not the same, but it still does not work.  got the 
following traceback:

Executing automated tests...
Bayes database is not dirty - not writing
Traceback (most recent call last):
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\Outlo
ok2000\addin.py", line 314, in Tester
    tester.test(manager)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\Outlo
ok2000\tester.py", line 316, in test
    TestSpamFilter(driver)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\Outlo
ok2000\tester.py", line 182, in TestSpamFilter
    msg, words = driver.CreateTestMessageInFolder(SPAM, 
driver.folder_watch)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\Outlo
ok2000\tester.py", line 141, in CreateTestMessageInFolder
    msg, words = self.CreateTestMessage(spam_status)
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\Outlo
ok2000\tester.py", line 154, in CreateTestMessage
    words.update(FindTopWords(self.manager.bayes, 50, 
True))
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\Outlo
ok2000\tester.py", line 72, in FindTopWords
    for word, info in extractor(bayes):
  
File "c:\Programfiler\_UTIL\spambayes_cvs\spambayes\Outlo
ok2000\tester.py", line 43, in DBExtractor
    bsddb_error = bsddb.DBNotFoundError
AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBNotFoundError'
Tests FAILED.  Sorry about that.  If I were you, I would do a 
full re-train ASAP
Please delete any test messages from your Spam, Unsure or 
Inbox folders first.


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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-14 20:52

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I'm pretty sure this was fixed in tester.py:
revision 1.7
date: 2003/05/03 13:15:27;  author: mhammond;  state: Exp; 
lines: +9 -1
Allow test suite to work with bsddb3 or bsddb

Please re-open otherwise.

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-03-20 11:31

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This seems a bsddb3 problem.  The code in question:

        try:
            key = bayes.dbm.next()[0]
        except bsddb.error:

already attempts to catch this error.  Further, the docs for
DBNotFoundError state that it derives from bsddb.error,
meaning my except statement should work.

I will try and get to using my Python 2.2 version for the
plugin to fix this.

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From jonb at bh-co.com  Thu May 15 20:13:17 2003
From: jonb at bh-co.com (Jon K. Bryant)
Date: Thu May 15 20:29:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Strange message
Message-ID: <F3BF8E243372D5118B35009027F69CDE49739A@BHCO_PDC>

I am receiving the following message when I installed Spambayes.  I am
receiving the same message when I start Outlook 2000 after installing
Spambayes.  The operating System I am using is Windows XP Professional.  Can
you tell me how to resolve this issue?  I have uninstalled and re-installed
but keep getting this message after installing Spambayes.



Thank you,


Jon K. Bryant
Beaird Harris & Co., P.C.
12377 Merit Drive, Suite 220
Dallas, Texas  75251
972-503-1040
jonb@bh-co.com

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From tim.one at comcast.net  Thu May 15 21:37:02 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu May 15 20:37:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Strange message
In-Reply-To: <F3BF8E243372D5118B35009027F69CDE49739A@BHCO_PDC>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGELJEFAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Jon K. Bryant]
> I am receiving the following message when I installed Spambayes.  I am
> receiving the same message when I start Outlook 2000 after installing
> Spambayes.  The operating System I am using is Windows XP
> Professional.  Can you tell me how to resolve this issue?  I have
> uninstalled and re-installed but keep getting this message after
> installing Spambayes.

What's the message?  If you sent it in an attachment, it didn't make it.
Please just tell us what it said instead, then.


From jonb at bh-co.com  Thu May 15 20:45:44 2003
From: jonb at bh-co.com (Jon K. Bryant)
Date: Thu May 15 20:49:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Strange message
In-Reply-To: <F3BF8E243372D5118B35009027F69CDE48A8BD@BHCO_PDC>
Message-ID: <F3BF8E243372D5118B35009027F69CDE49739B@BHCO_PDC>

Tim,

Here is the text in the Window:

Title Bar:  OUTLOOK.EXE ? No Disk

There is no disk in the drive.  Please insert a disk into drive
\Device\Harddisk1\DR3.

Buttons:	Cancel		Try Again		Continue




-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Peters [mailto:tim.one@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:37 PM
To: Jon K. Bryant
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Strange message


[Jon K. Bryant]
> I am receiving the following message when I installed Spambayes.  I am
> receiving the same message when I start Outlook 2000 after installing
> Spambayes.  The operating System I am using is Windows XP
> Professional.  Can you tell me how to resolve this issue?  I have
> uninstalled and re-installed but keep getting this message after
> installing Spambayes.

What's the message?  If you sent it in an attachment, it didn't make it.
Please just tell us what it said instead, then.



From tim.one at comcast.net  Thu May 15 21:54:42 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu May 15 20:56:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Strange message
In-Reply-To: <F3BF8E243372D5118B35009027F69CDE49739B@BHCO_PDC>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEELLEFAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Jon K. Bryant]
> Here is the text in the Window:
>
> Title Bar:  OUTLOOK.EXE ? No Disk
>
> There is no disk in the drive.  Please insert a disk into drive
> \Device\Harddisk1\DR3.
>
> Buttons:	Cancel		Try Again		Continue

Wow!  We've had a few reports of that recently, but just a few.  So far
nobody has any idea what causes it, and the people who developed the
software have never seen it.

Mark (Hammond), do you happen to have a removable storage device on the
machine you used to build the installer?  (And, if so, were any piece of the
deliverable obtained from that device?)

I did a google search the first time this was reported, and found reports of
several installers (for various things) that displayed this msg for a small
subset of users.  I didn't find an explanation or resolution to any of them.
The good news is that I didn't find any reports of damage either; it seemed
to be just an annoyance.



From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 15 21:23:54 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu May 15 21:23:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Another small indication of how well Spambayes works
Message-ID: <16068.15786.942949.520767@montanaro.dyndns.org>


I got an email today from another person on the csv module mailing list with
this suggestion:

    There seems to have been spam slipping through in the last few weeks -
    maybe we should turn on the "moderate non-subscribers" feature now that
    things have settled down?

to which I replied:

    Done.  To tell you the truth I hadn't even noticed.  I get so much spam
    and my spam filter (I use spambayes, naturally) sweeps almost all of it
    off to a couple special mailboxes for later review.

Just call me another success story. ;-)

Skip

From readonly at getsoft.com  Fri May 16 13:55:21 2003
From: readonly at getsoft.com (Neville Franks)
Date: Thu May 15 22:55:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Strange message
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEELLEFAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEELLEFAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <169108692621.20030516125521@getsoft.com>

TP> [Jon K. Bryant]
>> Here is the text in the Window:
>>
>> Title Bar:  OUTLOOK.EXE ? No Disk
>>
>> There is no disk in the drive.  Please insert a disk into drive
>> \Device\Harddisk1\DR3.
>>
>> Buttons:      Cancel          Try Again               Continue

TP> Wow!  We've had a few reports of that recently, but just a few.  So far
TP> nobody has any idea what causes it, and the people who developed the
TP> software have never seen it.

TP> Mark (Hammond), do you happen to have a removable storage device on the
TP> machine you used to build the installer?  (And, if so, were any piece of the
TP> deliverable obtained from that device?)

TP> I did a google search the first time this was reported, and found reports of
TP> several installers (for various things) that displayed this msg for a small
TP> subset of users.  I didn't find an explanation or resolution to any of them.
TP> The good news is that I didn't find any reports of damage either; it seemed
TP> to be just an annoyance.

I have a few of my ED users that have this error and so far I haven't
been able to resolve it. I think you need a machine configured with
exactly the same drives before you will see it.

Hard drives are usually named like:

\Device\Harddiskn\Partitionn+1 (Partition0 being full disk access?)

It is interesting that of the recent reports one was DR1 and the
latest DR3.

The comment on Installers is interesting and not something I've
thought to look into as I've always assumed it was in ED as that is
where the error occurs, not during installation.

A utility that may help someone track this down is FileMon available
from the SysInternals web site: http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/utilities.shtml

-- 
Best Regards,
 Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows - the programmer's editor.
  Soft As It Gets Pty Ltd,  http://www.getsoft.com - Download your Free Trial now.
  Victoria, Australia       mailto:readonly@getsoft.com


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 15 21:51:46 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Thu May 15 23:57:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-717253 ] Database should be saved
	after training
Message-ID: <E19GWG2-0003Gk-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #717253, was opened at 2003-04-08 12:28
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Closed
>Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Database should be saved after training

Initial Comment:
The database should be saved after training operations,
otherwise an Outlook crash upset things.

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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-16 13:51

Message:
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Fixed in:
Checking in addin.py;
new revision: 1.57; previous revision: 1.56
Checking in filter.py;
new revision: 1.21; previous revision: 1.20
Checking in manager.py;
new revision: 1.58; previous revision: 1.57


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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri May 16 15:03:05 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Fri May 16 00:04:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Strange message
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEELLEFAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000401c31b60$0da9fb80$530f8490@eden>

> Wow!  We've had a few reports of that recently, but just a
> few.  So far
> nobody has any idea what causes it, and the people who developed the
> software have never seen it.
>
> Mark (Hammond), do you happen to have a removable storage
> device on the
> machine you used to build the installer?  (And, if so, were
> any piece of the
> deliverable obtained from that device?)

Nope - but my main drive is E: - and the .pyc/o files in the installer have
a full reference to that path.  Python is probably looking for the .py
associated with that file.  This is most noticable in tracebacks from the
binary - all have the full path from my machine ("E:\src\spambayes,
E:\src\python-cvs, etc)

And given "\Device\Harddisk1\DR3", my money is on that!  I'm not sure what
the options are here - but at least we do have the source to Python <wink>

Jon - can you confirm E: is your removable device?

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri May 16 15:04:21 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Fri May 16 00:05:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Small patch to spambayes
In-Reply-To: <20030515212139.GA19074@x3ng.com>
Message-ID: <000501c31b60$3be04630$530f8490@eden>

Could you please file a bug (or possibly a couple) and upload the patch to
sourceforge?  That is the only way it is guaranteed to not get lost forever!

Thanks,

Mark.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Sidnei da Silva
> Sent: Friday, 16 May 2003 7:22 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Small patch to spambayes
>
>
> Howdy,
>
> I just checked out spambayes from CVS, and had to make two small
> modifications to get it to read my maildir for training.
>
> Attached theres a patch. Thanks!
>
> --
> Sidnei da Silva (dreamcatcher) <sidnei@x3ng.com.br>
> X3ng Web Technology <http://www.x3ng.com.br>
> GNU/Linux user 257852
> Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (Sid) 2.4.18 ppc
>
> Please go away.
>


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Fri May 16 01:27:50 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 16 03:28:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-712480 ] Outlook 2002 (XP)
	installation fails
Message-ID: <E19GZd8-0001r5-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #712480, was opened at 2003-03-31 07:47
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Paul Marrero (pmarrero)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook 2002 (XP) installation fails

Initial Comment:
I use office XP with the Outlook client.  It appears that 
the registration was successfull but I cannnot find any 
menu buttons.  XP clipboard does appear to have the 
Icons.  The command line train works.  Not sure where 
to go from here.  

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Comment By: Tormod Hystad (thystad)
Date: 2003-05-16 09:27

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Exactly same as Nick here. Win2003 RC2, Outlook XP 
(Norwegian, version 10.2627.4219 SP2, configured with one 
Exchange (Standard) email acount) and the 002 install 
package.

Thanks,
Tormod

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Comment By: Nick Trautmann (nicktrautmann)
Date: 2003-05-12 10:15

Message:
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Similar here:

pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 156, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 71, 
in import_core_spambayes_stuff
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\spambayes\tokenizer.py", line 659, 
in ?
exceptions.AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no 
attribute 'skip_max_word_size'
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\Nick\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 156, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 71, 
in import_core_spambayes_stuff
exceptions.ImportError: cannot import name tokenize

Thanks
Nick


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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-04-01 04:48

Message:
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Actually, I get this too.  I've just switched to Outlook XP, so 
I'm not sure if this is the reason, or just that I'm doing a fresh 
install.  The log includes the following traces:

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Failed to load bayes database
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 310, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\tameyer\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Either bayes database or message database is missing - 
creating new
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 165, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 329, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 378, 
in InitNewBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 94, 
in new_bayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
exceptions.AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Failed to load bayes database
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 310, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\tameyer\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Either bayes database or message database is missing - 
creating new
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 165, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 329, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 378, 
in InitNewBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 94, 
in new_bayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
exceptions.AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'


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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-03-31 08:05

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Which version of the Outlook plugin are you using?  (a) the 
latest CVS, (b) the 001 stand-alone installer, or (c) the 002 
stand-alone installer?  I know that the 001 installer has been 
known to have this problem (although it appeared to be fixed 
in 002).

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From akiva at atwood.co.il  Fri May 16 11:38:30 2003
From: akiva at atwood.co.il (Akiva Atwood)
Date: Fri May 16 10:03:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Strange message
In-Reply-To: <E19GZdO-0006Km-01@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <GBEKLFALOJNOBKOJONGNEEMBDOAA.akiva@atwood.co.il>

>
> Jon - can you confirm E: is your removable device?

I've been getting the same message -- except it says "drive E:", which is my
DVD drive.

Running XP Pro -- outlook 2K.

Akiva

=================================
"We took risks, we knew we took them; things have come out against us, and
therefore we have no cause for complaint, but bow to the will of Providence,
determined still to do our best to the last."
Robert Falcon Scott


From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri May 16 14:13:42 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri May 16 13:14:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Strange message
In-Reply-To: <000401c31b60$0da9fb80$530f8490@eden>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHCEIJFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Mark Hammond]
> Nope - but my main drive is E: - and the .pyc/o files in the
> installer have a full reference to that path.  Python is probably
> looking for the .py associated with that file.  This is most
> noticable in tracebacks from the binary - all have the full path
> from my machine ("E:\src\spambayes, E:\src\python-cvs, etc)

A photon trickles forth from the darkness!  A .pyc file holds the path to
the file it was compiled from, and when opening a .pyc Python looks for the
original .py file to see whether the .pyc file is out of date.  Python
doesn't object if the .py file can't be found (it has the .pyc -- it's not
stuck), but this "no disk" box could be an unwanted Windows-specific
side-effect of merely doing a stat() call on the .py file.

> And given "\Device\Harddisk1\DR3", my money is on that!  I'm not sure
> what the options are here - but at least we do have the source to Python
> <wink>

If the hypothesized scenario is correct, I'd call it a Python buglet in
Windows.

A solution before changing Python would be not to ship .pyc files (let
Python generate them as needed on the client machine, and then they'll have
correct paths -- sometimes <wink>).  The installers I ship for Python and
ZODB don't include any .pyc, .pyw, or .pyo files, so it may not be a
coincidence that I've never heard of this kind of glitch before.

> Jon - can you confirm E: is your removable device?

I'll let Jon answer that one <wink>.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri May 16 14:43:43 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri May 16 13:44:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Strange message
In-Reply-To: <F3BF8E243372D5118B35009027F69CDE4973A3@BHCO_PDC>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHEEIMFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon K. Bryant [mailto:jonb@bh-co.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 1:30 PM
> To: 'Tim Peters'
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Strange message
>
>
> Tim,
>
> E: is my removable device.  I do not get the message as long as I 
> put media
> in the removable device (A Zip Drive) when I launch Outlook 2000. I tried
> this after our email exchange this a.m.
>
> Thank you for your insight with regards to the message.
>
> Jon


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Fri May 16 11:47:25 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 16 13:47:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-738884 ] Microsoft Outlook Patch
	Q329295 Disables SpamBayes?
Message-ID: <E19GjIj-0006EY-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #738884, was opened at 2003-05-16 13:47
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Chuck Conway (conwaycl)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Microsoft Outlook Patch Q329295 Disables SpamBayes?

Initial Comment:
I use a Nextel phone feature called Mobile Email to 
manage my Outlook Calendar via my cell phone. 
(http://www.nextel.com).   Nextel upgraded their 
software, and forced me to upgrade their desktop 
synchronization app from version 3.2 to 4.1.

As part of the upgrade, the Nextel 4.1 software required 
me to install an Outlook patch from Microsoft.  Here are 
links to the article and the actual binary patch download:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
us;Q329295

http://download.microsoft.com/download/OfficeXPStandar
d/Patch/329295/W98NT42KMeXP/EN-US/q329295.exe

After the patch was installed and the Nextel 4.1 
installed, SpamBayes was broken:
- No filtering
- No toolbar icons
- Log file indicates nothing
- Add-In still visible under "COM Add-Ins"

I de-installed and re-installed the SpamBayes binary, 
but it did not help.

I'm not sure what direction to go in at this point.

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From benles at bldigital.com  Fri May 16 12:29:05 2003
From: benles at bldigital.com (Ben Allfree)
Date: Fri May 16 14:44:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spam training file for outlook
Message-ID: <009201c31bd9$0ac39970$917ba8c0@longshot>

I've kept a 1500+ message spam training file. Pretty general stuff, I think
most everyone would agree it's spam.

 

It might be useful to users of the Outlook plugin.

 

http://www.allfreegroup.com/Spam.pst.zip

 

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Fri May 16 13:28:50 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 16 15:28:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-717998 ] Can't reset Spam folder if
	folder is lost
Message-ID: <E19Gkss-0002cj-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #717998, was opened at 2003-04-09 00:37
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Can't reset Spam folder if folder is lost

Initial Comment:
If the Spam Manager is set up to move spam to a folder
and that folder disappears, the Spam Manager may show
that spam is to be delivered to <unkown folder>. In
this event trying to browse the folder list will not
list any folders, and you will be unable to set the
Spam folder to anything else.



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>Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-05-16 14:28

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Just downloaded the latest CVS tree it seems to be fixed.

Thanks much.

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-15 16:56

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Can you please confirm if you can still reproduce this?

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Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-05-15 09:43

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Usually It gets deleted while removing all the spam (trash
does not need to be emptied, but sometimes it has been).

-Astrogen

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-14 20:13

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

This works for me now.  The code was changed on 2003/03/07
to better handle these exceptions all over the code.  I
tried to reproduce your example, and do get "<unknown
folder>", but when clicking on the browse button I get a
standard dialog with no folder selected.

How does your spam folder keep disappearing?

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Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-05-01 11:19

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Is it possible to add a button that puts you back to the
root folder if the number of folders available is less than
2 or something?

Currently (and this has happened a couple times since my
original posting) my only fix is to delete the configuration
file (default_configuration.pck).

-Astrogen

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Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-04-14 16:32

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Just figured there would be a log file somewhere.. but
anywho... I manually ran manager.py Heres the traceback
(copied and pasted from a dos prompt window)

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File
"C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py",
line 309, in
OnInitDialog
    self.expand_ids = self._DetermineFoldersToExpand()
  File
"C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py",
line 226, in
_DetermineFoldersToExpand
    folder = self.manager.message_store.GetFolder(folder_id)
  File "C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line
225, in GetFolder
    table = folder.GetContentsTable(0)
pywintypes.com_error: (-2147467259, 'Unspecified error',
None, None)
win32ui: OnInitDialog() virtual handler (<bound method
FolderSelector.OnInitDial
og of <dialogs.FolderSelector.FolderSelector instance at
0x02134A78>>) raised an
 exception
Bayes database is not dirty - not writing

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Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-04-14 16:26

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Where is the log file kept? I looked for it before
submitting, and since your posted. I don't have the name or
location for where I could find it.

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-04-10 01:06

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

If there a traceback associated with this?  I regularly
"test" this, thanks to Outlook screwing all my folder IDs as
I reconfigure Outlook, and I don't have the problem.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Fri May 16 18:03:30 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 16 20:03:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-717998 ] Can't reset Spam folder if
	folder is lost
Message-ID: <E19GpAg-0000mN-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #717998, was opened at 2003-04-09 15:37
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Closed
>Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Can't reset Spam folder if folder is lost

Initial Comment:
If the Spam Manager is set up to move spam to a folder
and that folder disappears, the Spam Manager may show
that spam is to be delivered to <unkown folder>. In
this event trying to browse the folder list will not
list any folders, and you will be unable to set the
Spam folder to anything else.



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Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-05-17 05:28

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Just downloaded the latest CVS tree it seems to be fixed.

Thanks much.

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-16 07:56

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Can you please confirm if you can still reproduce this?

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Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-05-16 00:43

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Usually It gets deleted while removing all the spam (trash
does not need to be emptied, but sometimes it has been).

-Astrogen

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-15 11:13

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

This works for me now.  The code was changed on 2003/03/07
to better handle these exceptions all over the code.  I
tried to reproduce your example, and do get "<unknown
folder>", but when clicking on the browse button I get a
standard dialog with no folder selected.

How does your spam folder keep disappearing?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-05-02 02:19

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Is it possible to add a button that puts you back to the
root folder if the number of folders available is less than
2 or something?

Currently (and this has happened a couple times since my
original posting) my only fix is to delete the configuration
file (default_configuration.pck).

-Astrogen

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Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-04-15 07:32

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Just figured there would be a log file somewhere.. but
anywho... I manually ran manager.py Heres the traceback
(copied and pasted from a dos prompt window)

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File
"C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py",
line 309, in
OnInitDialog
    self.expand_ids = self._DetermineFoldersToExpand()
  File
"C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py",
line 226, in
_DetermineFoldersToExpand
    folder = self.manager.message_store.GetFolder(folder_id)
  File "C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line
225, in GetFolder
    table = folder.GetContentsTable(0)
pywintypes.com_error: (-2147467259, 'Unspecified error',
None, None)
win32ui: OnInitDialog() virtual handler (<bound method
FolderSelector.OnInitDial
og of <dialogs.FolderSelector.FolderSelector instance at
0x02134A78>>) raised an
 exception
Bayes database is not dirty - not writing

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Comment By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Date: 2003-04-15 07:26

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=752965

Where is the log file kept? I looked for it before
submitting, and since your posted. I don't have the name or
location for where I could find it.

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-04-10 16:06

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

If there a traceback associated with this?  I regularly
"test" this, thanks to Outlook screwing all my folder IDs as
I reconfigure Outlook, and I don't have the problem.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sat May 17 06:26:50 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sat May 17 08:26:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-721664 ] mboxtrain.py doesn't find
	Maildir tmp/ directory properly
Message-ID: <E19H0m2-0002vf-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #721664, was opened at 2003-04-15 04:10
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: David M. Cooke (dmcooke)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: mboxtrain.py doesn't find Maildir tmp/ directory properly

Initial Comment:
The Maildir handler for mboxtrain.py tries to use a
tmp/ under 
the directory passed to it. It should use a tmp/
directory at the same level (so given a ~/Maildir/cur,
it should use ~/Maildir/tmp).

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Comment By: David Ripton (dripton)
Date: 2003-05-17 08:26

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=9425

This is still broken as of latest CVS on 2003-05-17

Example output from an mboxtrain cron job very similar to
the one in HAMMIE.txt:

Training ham (/home/dripton/Maildir/):
  Reading as Maildir
  1052838601.29078_0.ludo:2,RS        
  1052472674.1616_0.ludo:2,RS        
  1049307199.16131_1.dydimus,S=829:2,S        
  1047587487.1367_2.hoggle:2,S        
  1051558961.21629_2.willum:2,RS        
  1053034631.15484_1.willum:2,S        
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/dripton/src/spambayes/mboxtrain.py", line 294,
in ?
    main()
  File "/home/dripton/src/spambayes/mboxtrain.py", line 281,
in main
    train(h, g, False, force, trainnew)
  File "/home/dripton/src/spambayes/mboxtrain.py", line 216,
in train
    maildir_train(h, os.path.join(path, "cur"), is_spam, force)
  File "/home/dripton/src/spambayes/mboxtrain.py", line 113,
in maildir_train
    f = file(tfn, "wb")
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/home/dripton/Maildir/cur/tmp/1053163264.21320_6.vidar'

The one-line patch already attached to this bug works for
me.  Please apply it to CVS.

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From akiva at atwood.co.il  Sat May 17 23:09:08 2003
From: akiva at atwood.co.il (Akiva Atwood)
Date: Sat May 17 19:09:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Spambayes Digest, Vol 57, Issue 36
In-Reply-To: <E19Ghcw-0002dE-02@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <GBEKLFALOJNOBKOJONGNKEOLDOAA.akiva@atwood.co.il>

> 
> I've been getting the same message -- except it says "drive E:", 
> which is my
> DVD drive.
> 

The caption of the dialog box says DDE Server...

Akiva

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon May 19 10:20:42 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun May 18 19:21:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Strange message
In-Reply-To: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHCEIJFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <03e301c31d94$1ab8a660$530f8490@eden>

[Tim P]
> If the hypothesized scenario is correct, I'd call it a Python
> buglet in Windows.

There is a chance that SetErrorMode() will fix the problem.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/debug/base/
seterrormode.asp

Particularly SEM_NOOPENFILEERRORBOX - IIRC, this used to stop floppy drives
displaying a similar error - however, I can't reproduce a similar condition
on my floppy/cd now (last I tried was certainly before Win2000)

It would be very interesting to know what the following Python session
shows, while the device is ejected:

>>> f = open("e:\\foo", "r")

If that displays the dialog, then try:

>>> import win32api, win32con
>>> win32api.SetErrorMode(win32con.SEM_NOOPENFILEERRORBOX)

And try again.  If the error does not display, do
>>> win32api.SetErrorMode(0) # reset to default

and see if it comes back.  Is anyone with Python and a ZIP drive able to try
this?

Fingers-crossed ly,

Mark.


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sun May 18 18:52:05 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sun May 18 20:52:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737874 ] Outlook crash wipes out
	SpamBayes addin settings & training
Message-ID: <E19HYsn-0007Ov-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737874, was opened at 2003-05-15 06:18
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Closed
>Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Scott Sanders (giveuptheghost)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook crash wipes out SpamBayes addin settings & training

Initial Comment:
When Outlook crashes, it wipes out the SpamBayes
Outlook Addin's settings, including all its training.
At least, it does for me.

Most programs have their important data and settings in
a file somewhere or the Registry where it somehow can't
be corrupted, much less erased, when a problem comes
up. <sarcasm>Maybe SpamBayes should look into this
concept.</sarcasm>

I've attached the log for the affected session, though,
after perusing it myself, it looks like SpamBayes is
not causing Outlook to crash. I think it has to do with
my network printer driver when I'm offline from the
network, which causes a similar problem with other
programs. (As a workaround, I've removed the Print
button from the Outlook windows that I use, since it
seems to crash just on mouseover!)

I'm running SpamBayes Outlook Addin 002 with Outlook XP
under Windows XP Pro. The other Outlook COM addins that
are enabled are SpamSource and SyncNow.

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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-19 10:52

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

I'm going to mark this as fixed - please re-open if the
current CVS version still fails for you (or if the next
binary still does).

The current code takes a number defensive measures:
* All config files (and pickle databases) are saved to a
temp file, then moved to the real file.
* Configuration is saved whenever the dialog is closed.
* Databases are saved after any training operations

The combination of these things should resolve this issue.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Scott Sanders (giveuptheghost)
Date: 2003-05-15 10:20

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=184281

Hi.

The last crash occurred this afternoon, and the settings
files that exist and their modified dates are as follows:

default_bayes_customize.ini - 5/10/2003 3:45 PM
default_bayes_database.db - 5/13/2003 3:59 PM
default_configuration.pck - 5/13/2003 3:59 PM
default_message_database.db - 5/10/2003 3:45 PM

Apparently the settings/training isn't changed until Outlook
is closed? I usually have Outlook always running, and I
seldom intentionally close it, except for an Outlook-related
program update (rare) or if I shut down my comp. (also
rare). I may be an exception, but I think the
settings/training should be written at the time of
setting/training.

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-15 09:21

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

The settings are saved in various files which, for you, are in 
the directory:
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\

Neither the database nor the config pickle should be 
corrupted by an Outlook crash unless they were being used 
at the time.  At one point the plugin didn't save the config 
settings until shutdown (this might even still be the case), so 
if you are crashing before you close Outlook, you would never 
save the settings, which would cause this behaviour.

Check to see if the files are there, before and after the crash, 
and if they are modifed after the crash.

It certainly does seem from the log that neither file is saved.  
This could perhaps be changed, but as I said above, it might 
have done so already since the 002 release.

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From Paul.Moore at atosorigin.com  Mon May 19 10:01:48 2003
From: Paul.Moore at atosorigin.com (Moore, Paul)
Date: Mon May 19 04:03:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Strange message
Message-ID: <16E1010E4581B049ABC51D4975CEDB880113DAFB@UKDCX001.uk.int.atosorigin.com>

From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au]

> It would be very interesting to know what the following
> Python session shows, while the device is ejected:

>>> f = open("e:\\foo", "r")

I tried it (my Zip drive is E:) and got

IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'e:\\foo'

> Fingers-crossed ly,

It may be OS-specific (I'm on 2K Pro). I've seen dialog
boxes like this before. Zip drive support on Windows
(especially for older zip drives like mine) seems flakey
at times :-(

Paul.

From tdickenson at devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk  Mon May 19 12:45:12 2003
From: tdickenson at devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk (Toby Dickenson)
Date: Mon May 19 06:45:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ham/unsure/spam split
In-Reply-To: <16064.7417.687631.115533@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <056b01c31832$3c818b20$530f8490@eden>
	<140726241099.20030513073717@getsoft.com>
	<16064.7417.687631.115533@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <200305191145.12976.tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk>

On Monday 12 May 2003 11:15 pm, Skip Montanaro wrote:

>  Messages
> classified as spam get tossed into two mailboxes by procmail, one for those
> with a score of 0.99 or 1.00, and all others which exceed my spam_cutoff
> (around 0.88).  The only practical difference is the "high spam" mail gets
> scanned less frequently and more quickly.

Ive been using this for the last week, and it does simplify my daily spam 
review. The majority of my spams score 0.99, and Ive never had a false 
positive score above 0.80.

Does your system treat 'unsures' differently to hams? If not, would it make 
sense to set your ham_cutoff to where you currently have spam_cutoff, and 
spam_cutoff to 0.99?

If you are treating hams and unsures differently, I would be interested to 
hear how. Is this a case for extending the current three-way categorisation 
with a fourth 'high spam' category, and adding high_spam_cutoff?


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon May 19 22:27:04 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon May 19 07:28:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Strange message
In-Reply-To: <16E1010E4581B049ABC51D4975CEDB880113DAFB@UKDCX001.uk.int.atosorigin.com>
Message-ID: <01a001c31df9$9358fa10$530f8490@eden>

> > It would be very interesting to know what the following
> > Python session shows, while the device is ejected:
> 
> >>> f = open("e:\\foo", "r")
> 
> I tried it (my Zip drive is E:) and got
> 
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'e:\\foo'

I get the exact same result on Win2k and XP from CD drives.

> > Fingers-crossed ly,
> 
> It may be OS-specific (I'm on 2K Pro). I've seen dialog
> boxes like this before. Zip drive support on Windows
> (especially for older zip drives like mine) seems flakey
> at times :-(

I can't recall all the details - have you (or anyone) seen this on other
than XP?  Or on a CD/DVD drive?

Mark.
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From Paul.Moore at atosorigin.com  Mon May 19 13:35:38 2003
From: Paul.Moore at atosorigin.com (Moore, Paul)
Date: Mon May 19 07:36:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Strange message
Message-ID: <16E1010E4581B049ABC51D4975CEDB880113DB04@UKDCX001.uk.int.atosorigin.com>

From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au]
> I can't recall all the details - have you (or anyone) seen
> this on other than XP?  Or on a CD/DVD drive?

Just to clarify - I've never had this from Spambayes, but I
have had similar looking messages, on both 2K and XP. They
are sometimes when there *is* a disk present, but not
recognised for some reason. And they sometimes involve
problems ejecting the disk. Hence my comment that zip support
is flakey.

I've never seen anything like this with a CD/DVD drive.

Not much help, I know. Sorry.
Paul.

From skip at pobox.com  Mon May 19 10:36:17 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon May 19 10:36:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: ham/unsure/spam split
In-Reply-To: <200305191145.12976.tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk>
References: <056b01c31832$3c818b20$530f8490@eden>
	<140726241099.20030513073717@getsoft.com>
	<16064.7417.687631.115533@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<200305191145.12976.tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk>
Message-ID: <16072.60385.611148.730904@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Toby> Does your system treat 'unsures' differently to hams? 

Yes.  All unsures go into an unsure mailbox.  I train on all of them, on a
smattering of the spams which score less than 0.95, and any hams I notice
which score above 0.00.

    Toby> If you are treating hams and unsures differently, I would be
    Toby> interested to hear how. Is this a case for extending the current
    Toby> three-way categorisation with a fourth 'high spam' category, and
    Toby> adding high_spam_cutoff?

I don't think that's generally necessary.  I think I get more spam than the
average person, so it makes sense for me to distiguish between the .99's and
the rest of the messages which score as spam.  Here's how my mail was
classified for 2003-05-17:

    unsure:     15 
    spam:      620 
    ham:       693 

As you can see, it's not a big problem to simply toss all the unsures into
their own mailbox.  No other special treatment is necessary.

Skip

From DirkEichler at gmx.de  Mon May 19 14:37:26 2003
From: DirkEichler at gmx.de (Dirk Eichler)
Date: Mon May 19 11:55:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Troubleshooting
Message-ID: <000001c31dfb$0622da10$0101a8c0@angel>

Hi!

 

>If the SpamBayes addin is listed and checked, but still not working and
still not creating log files, then I am stumped!

Unfortunately exactly this happens when i am installing spambayes on my
system with Outlook XP.

Can you help me?

I've installed it running Outlook2000 before rebuilding my Computer this
days and it worked. But now it says it is unable to load due to runtime
problems.

 

By

Dirk

From srussell at Hopkins.k12.ky.us  Mon May 19 11:33:49 2003
From: srussell at Hopkins.k12.ky.us (Russell, Stephen)
Date: Mon May 19 11:56:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam overload
Message-ID: <260AFBE9E8D9B34581F6C74CFA93676B04A9CE@e265000n1.hopkins.k12.ky.us>

Dear experts,
We are a school system with 1100 faculty and 7000 student accounts on a
Win2000 server with Exchange 5.5 SP3.  We are in spam overload and are in
desperate need of help.  What can I do to stop this onslaught of unwanted
mail and still be able to afford to maintain our network?  I am a department
of one and I need a product that is simple to use, doesn't require massive
amounts of admin time, and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.  I don't like the
idea of subscribing to an online service with a yearly fee and would prefer
that the app sit on the Exchange box.
I have done a lot of research and it has brought me to you.  By reading your
site I can see you guys are at the forefront of this endeavor to stop spam
and thought that you could point me in the right direction.
 
Any ideas?
 
Thanks,
Stephen Russell
 
 
From skip at pobox.com  Mon May 19 12:15:22 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon May 19 12:15:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam overload
In-Reply-To: <260AFBE9E8D9B34581F6C74CFA93676B04A9CE@e265000n1.hopkins.k12.ky.us>
References: <260AFBE9E8D9B34581F6C74CFA93676B04A9CE@e265000n1.hopkins.k12.ky.us>
Message-ID: <16073.794.9219.702141@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Stephen> We are a school system with 1100 faculty and 7000 student
    Stephen> accounts on a Win2000 server with Exchange 5.5 SP3.  We are in
    Stephen> spam overload and are in desperate need of help.... By reading
    Stephen> your site I can see you guys are at the forefront of this
    Stephen> endeavor to stop spam and thought that you could point me in
    Stephen> the right direction.

When you say "spam overload" do you mean your Exchange server is crumbling
under the weight of spam or that your users are being flooded with spam or
both?  If your users are using Outlook, the Outlook plugin looks like it
should fit into your environment pretty well.  If your users use some other
email client(s), the pop3proxy will work.  Both of these will be spam
filters which operate at the client end of things.  Neither is really
designed to work on the server.

There is an opportunity for an SMTP proxy to sit between Exchange and the
rest of the world.  There is an SMTP proxy built into the pop3proxy, but I
don't know how it's intended to be configured.  Someone else on the list
will be able to tell you if it will work as I envisioned.

Skip


From gmino at pcsltd.com  Sun May 18 01:53:11 2003
From: gmino at pcsltd.com (Gabriel Mino)
Date: Mon May 19 12:31:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam overload
In-Reply-To: <3261E796E368954CB22963F2B63E8105390C81@xmail.pcsltd.com>
Message-ID: <3261E796E368954CB22963F2B63E810513771D@xmail.pcsltd.com>

#1 - tell those teachers to stop looking @ pr0n while @ school!!!   ; p

#2 -
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/spambayes/spambaye
s/INTEGRATION.txt?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain for starters

sorry 4 being w153455...although your question seems a bit vague.

What would you like to do with spambayes? As much as I LUB spambayes (1.5
months without 1 spam in inbox [fingers crossed])right off the top of my
head, I'd say it's not the solution for you since it (as spam filters in
general) is really user centric. I'd advise you look into the proxy
configuration 1st. does anyone know how/using a shared database in proxy
configuration? maybe some others have some better suggestions.

Just my .02

Good luck!!! Let us know how we can help!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces+gmino=pcsltd.com@python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces+gmino=pcsltd.com@python.org] On Behalf Of Russell,
Stephen
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:34 AM
To: 'SpamBayes@python.org'
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam overload

Dear experts,
We are a school system with 1100 faculty and 7000 student accounts on a
Win2000 server with Exchange 5.5 SP3.  We are in spam overload and are in
desperate need of help.  What can I do to stop this onslaught of unwanted
mail and still be able to afford to maintain our network?  I am a department
of one and I need a product that is simple to use, doesn't require massive
amounts of admin time, and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.  I don't like the
idea of subscribing to an online service with a yearly fee and would prefer
that the app sit on the Exchange box.
I have done a lot of research and it has brought me to you.  By reading your
site I can see you guys are at the forefront of this endeavor to stop spam
and thought that you could point me in the right direction.
 
Any ideas?
 
Thanks,
Stephen Russell
 
 
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Spambayes mailing list
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes



From skip at pobox.com  Mon May 19 12:36:16 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon May 19 12:36:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam overload
In-Reply-To: <260AFBE9E8D9B34581F6C74CFA93676B04A9CF@e265000n1.hopkins.k12.ky.us>
References: <260AFBE9E8D9B34581F6C74CFA93676B04A9CF@e265000n1.hopkins.k12.ky.us>
Message-ID: <16073.2048.517536.146795@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Stephen> The Exchange server seems to be holding its own.  The users are
    Stephen> suffering the brunt of the load.  

A client-side solution would probably work best, though it means you need to
install it and educate your users on its use.  You didn't indicate what your
principal email clients were.  If you're using Outlook 2000, the plugin will
probably be your best route.

    Stephen> I would have to talk to someone at the Dept. of Ed. to find out
    Stephen> if I could install something between our Exchange server and
    Stephen> them.  Thanks for the info I will ask them asap.  

If it's a huge problem for you, it's probably a huge problem for the
district as a whole.  Perhaps they should be working on the solution. ;-)

    Stephen> Could you also ask someone to reply to me about the proxy, I
    Stephen> could use the additional info?

Someone on the list who knows about such things will pipe up I'm sure.

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Mon May 19 13:34:03 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon May 19 13:34:12 2003
Subject: Outlook plugin transparency (was RE: [Spambayes] Spam overload)
In-Reply-To: <260AFBE9E8D9B34581F6C74CFA93676B04A9D1@e265000n1.hopkins.k12.ky.us>
References: <260AFBE9E8D9B34581F6C74CFA93676B04A9D1@e265000n1.hopkins.k12.ky.us>
Message-ID: <16073.5515.23061.491742@montanaro.dyndns.org>

(Make sure you include spambayes@python.org in your replies if you'd like to
get a more broad-based set of inputs.  I don't use Windows, so I can only
take things so far.)

    Stephen> Yes I'm sorry, Outlook 2000 is the client.  The DoE has
    Stephen> mentioned that filters are in place.  I haven't seen any change
    Stephen> to support that.  So I guess it is up to us to fix the problem.
    Stephen> A transparent solution seems to work best for us.  Training
    Stephen> teachers has been a problem in the past, the only thing
    Stephen> teachers want to do is teach. (can't figure that one out??)

Others will have to speak to how transparent the Outlook plugin is.  I
suspect it shouldn't be too hard to pick up.  I've never used it, but others
on this list use it all the time.  Perhaps one of them will chime in.  I've
modified the subject to include more a little more honey for the plugin
flies. ;-) Here's some extra description with a screenshot or two which
might tide you over until they start to swarm:

    http://tinyurl.com/c4rn

Skip

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon May 19 11:49:38 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 19 13:49:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-738884 ] Microsoft Outlook Patch
	Q329295 Disables SpamBayes?
Message-ID: <E19HolW-0007Mb-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #738884, was opened at 2003-05-16 13:47
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by conwaycl
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Closed
>Resolution: Fixed
>Priority: 1
Submitted By: Chuck Conway (conwaycl)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Microsoft Outlook Patch Q329295 Disables SpamBayes?

Initial Comment:
I use a Nextel phone feature called Mobile Email to 
manage my Outlook Calendar via my cell phone. 
(http://www.nextel.com).   Nextel upgraded their 
software, and forced me to upgrade their desktop 
synchronization app from version 3.2 to 4.1.

As part of the upgrade, the Nextel 4.1 software required 
me to install an Outlook patch from Microsoft.  Here are 
links to the article and the actual binary patch download:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
us;Q329295

http://download.microsoft.com/download/OfficeXPStandar
d/Patch/329295/W98NT42KMeXP/EN-US/q329295.exe

After the patch was installed and the Nextel 4.1 
installed, SpamBayes was broken:
- No filtering
- No toolbar icons
- Log file indicates nothing
- Add-In still visible under "COM Add-Ins"

I de-installed and re-installed the SpamBayes binary, 
but it did not help.

I'm not sure what direction to go in at this point.

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>Comment By: Chuck Conway (conwaycl)
Date: 2003-05-19 13:49

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=780486

It's working again, but I'm not sure what exactly did it.  I de-
installed everything (Python/Win32 extensions/SpamBayes), 
rebooted, reinstalled, then rebooted again.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon May 19 11:50:12 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 19 13:50:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-739989 ] Corrupt Database wont train.
Message-ID: <E19Hom4-0007O1-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #739989, was opened at 2003-05-19 12:50
Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Corrupt Database wont train.

Initial Comment:
So after updating to the latest CVS release I have not
been able to run a manual train on the database.

I checked out the message for why and got a stacktrace
indicating that the database was corrupt.

So I tried to do a rebuild database, and the same thing
happened.

So I deleted the database, and all the .pck files, and
started from scratch.

This is the stack trace Im getting now.

C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000>c:\python22\python.exe
manager.py
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\Administrator\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.pck'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\Administrator\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.pck'
Bayes database initialized with 0 spam and 0 good messages
Loaded databases in 3.5133ms
Exception in thread Thread-1:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Python22\Lib\threading.py", line 408, in
__bootstrap
    self.run()
  File "C:\Python22\Lib\threading.py", line 396, in run
    apply(self.__target, self.__args, self.__kwargs)
  File
"C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\dialogs\AsyncDialog.py",
line 115, in thread_target
    self._DoProcess()
  File
"C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\dialogs\TrainingDialog.py",
line 120, in _DoProcess
    self.trainer(self.mgr, self.progress, self.rebuild)
  File "C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\train.py", line
118, in trainer progress.set_stages(stages)
AttributeError: _Progress instance has no attribute
'set_stages'

Saving bayes database with 0 spam and 0 good messages
 -> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.pck
 -> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.pck
Saved databases in 5.97925ms

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From bill at parducci.net  Mon May 19 12:00:59 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Mon May 19 14:01:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam overload
References: <3261E796E368954CB22963F2B63E810513771D@xmail.pcsltd.com>
Message-ID: <3EC91BDB.50600@parducci.net>

i have had good luck using a shared hammiedb with a dozen users (a far 
cry from 7000!) only the administrator retrains in this situation. 
accuracy is not what it would be with a user centric model, but spam by 
its very nature is fairly common so intuition (and my limited user 
community feedback) suggests that false positives are where you see the 
most significant reduction in accuracy, and even then it isn't 
suprisingly good. if you are being 'overrun', then 90+% accuracy is 
still better than nothing. :)

while my users are imap based (procmail drops spam into each users SPAM 
folder on the server), it seems that a proxy solution would work if you 
did subject rewrites and let the downstream client filter on that.

personally, i would think thrice before implementing the outlook client 
on 7000 machines. on the other hand, you are not going to be able to 
have user trained hammiedbs with exchange otherwise (a proxy model 
wouldn't have access to the mboxes to train upon, so you would have to 
build a single message retrain model; easily doable on the server 
side--as long as you have the horsepower--but would require some 
significant user training)

have you considered imap? :-P

b



From bill at parducci.net  Mon May 19 12:28:37 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Mon May 19 14:28:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam overload
References: <3261E796E368954CB22963F2B63E810513771D@xmail.pcsltd.com>
	<3EC91BDB.50600@parducci.net>
Message-ID: <3EC92255.8040303@parducci.net>

> most significant reduction in accuracy, and even then it isn't 
> suprisingly good.

oops. IS suprisingly good.

b


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon May 19 16:24:50 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 19 18:25:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-712480 ] Outlook 2002 (XP)
	installation fails
Message-ID: <E19Ht3q-0000kX-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #712480, was opened at 2003-03-30 23:47
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by sm5669
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Paul Marrero (pmarrero)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook 2002 (XP) installation fails

Initial Comment:
I use office XP with the Outlook client.  It appears that 
the registration was successfull but I cannnot find any 
menu buttons.  XP clipboard does appear to have the 
Icons.  The command line train works.  Not sure where 
to go from here.  

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Steve McCullough (sm5669)
Date: 2003-05-19 17:24

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=782446

Same here.  Outlook 2002 on Win2000 with all the latest SPs 
and patches applied.  Log file...

warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, 
args, kwargs)
warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, 
args, kwargs)
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\PYTHON32\lib\site-
packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, args, 
None, None)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\PYTHON32\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwargs, 
serviceProvider)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\PYTHON32\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, dispid, lcid, 
wFlags, args, kwArgs, serviceProvider)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\PYTHON32\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 654, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 15, 
in ?
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 86, 
in ?
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
exceptions.ImportError: No module named win32com.mapi


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Comment By: Tormod Hystad (thystad)
Date: 2003-05-16 02:27

Message:
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Exactly same as Nick here. Win2003 RC2, Outlook XP 
(Norwegian, version 10.2627.4219 SP2, configured with one 
Exchange (Standard) email acount) and the 002 install 
package.

Thanks,
Tormod

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Comment By: Nick Trautmann (nicktrautmann)
Date: 2003-05-12 03:15

Message:
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Similar here:

pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 156, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 71, 
in import_core_spambayes_stuff
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\spambayes\tokenizer.py", line 659, 
in ?
exceptions.AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no 
attribute 'skip_max_word_size'
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\Nick\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 156, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 71, 
in import_core_spambayes_stuff
exceptions.ImportError: cannot import name tokenize

Thanks
Nick


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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-03-31 20:48

Message:
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Actually, I get this too.  I've just switched to Outlook XP, so 
I'm not sure if this is the reason, or just that I'm doing a fresh 
install.  The log includes the following traces:

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Failed to load bayes database
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 310, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\tameyer\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Either bayes database or message database is missing - 
creating new
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 165, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 329, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 378, 
in InitNewBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 94, 
in new_bayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
exceptions.AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Failed to load bayes database
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 310, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\tameyer\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Either bayes database or message database is missing - 
creating new
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 165, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 329, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 378, 
in InitNewBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 94, 
in new_bayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
exceptions.AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'


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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-03-31 00:05

Message:
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Which version of the Outlook plugin are you using?  (a) the 
latest CVS, (b) the 001 stand-alone installer, or (c) the 002 
stand-alone installer?  I know that the 001 installer has been 
known to have this problem (although it appeared to be fixed 
in 002).

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue May 20 12:04:52 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon May 19 19:05:46 2003
Subject: Outlook plugin transparency (was RE: [Spambayes] Spam overload)
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB2F40@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Others will have to speak to how transparent the Outlook 
> plugin is.  I suspect it shouldn't be too hard to pick up.  
> I've never used it, but others on this list use it all the 
> time.  Perhaps one of them will chime in.

IMO, the plugin is almost completely transparent (except for setup).  I
use the plugin for the majority of my filtering, and for the most part,
I hardly notice that it's there.  After everything is set up, the user
just has mail in two extra folders ('unsures' and 'spam), which need to
be reviewed occasionally (unless you're confident enough to put the spam
straight in the trash).  If you find a misclassified message, just drag
& drop it back to the correct folder.  That's it, basically.  (You can
do various things via buttons on the toolbar, but you'll probably find
you don't have to).

Setup is a bit more complicated, but if you're able to do it for them,
then that wouldn't be a problem.  You could even install a prebuilt
database that would catch most of the spam that goes through your site.

I'd highly recommend trying the plugin out yourself and seeing if you
think that your users would be able to handle it.

=Tony Meyer

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon May 19 17:13:12 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 19 19:13:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-739989 ] Corrupt Database wont train.
Message-ID: <E19Htoe-0007fl-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #739989, was opened at 2003-05-20 03:50
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Corrupt Database wont train.

Initial Comment:
So after updating to the latest CVS release I have not
been able to run a manual train on the database.

I checked out the message for why and got a stacktrace
indicating that the database was corrupt.

So I tried to do a rebuild database, and the same thing
happened.

So I deleted the database, and all the .pck files, and
started from scratch.

This is the stack trace Im getting now.

C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000>c:\python22\python.exe
manager.py
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\Administrator\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.pck'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\Administrator\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.pck'
Bayes database initialized with 0 spam and 0 good messages
Loaded databases in 3.5133ms
Exception in thread Thread-1:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Python22\Lib\threading.py", line 408, in
__bootstrap
    self.run()
  File "C:\Python22\Lib\threading.py", line 396, in run
    apply(self.__target, self.__args, self.__kwargs)
  File
"C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\dialogs\AsyncDialog.py",
line 115, in thread_target
    self._DoProcess()
  File
"C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\dialogs\TrainingDialog.py",
line 120, in _DoProcess
    self.trainer(self.mgr, self.progress, self.rebuild)
  File "C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\train.py", line
118, in trainer progress.set_stages(stages)
AttributeError: _Progress instance has no attribute
'set_stages'

Saving bayes database with 0 spam and 0 good messages
 -> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.pck
 -> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.pck
Saved databases in 5.97925ms

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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-20 09:13

Message:
Logged In: YES 
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It sounds to me like your CVS update didn't finish the
update of Outlook2000\dialogs.  Revision 1.4 of AsyncDialog
grew that method.  Please check you have the latest files

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue May 20 12:12:22 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon May 19 19:15:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam overload
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB2F51@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> There is an opportunity for an SMTP proxy to sit between 
> Exchange and the rest of the world.  There is an SMTP proxy 
> built into the pop3proxy, but I don't know how it's intended 
> to be configured.

Not at all as an incoming filter, unfortunately.  The SMTP proxy is
designed to be an alternative method of training the database, not doing
any filtering.  OTOH, it wouldn't be all that hard to write one - it
would be a cross between the POP3 proxy and the SMTP proxy.  Most of the
functionality needed is actually in message.py, anyway.

I'm not sure what you would do with it once it was classified, though.
Move it from the user's folder to some admin folder?  Just mark it like
the POP3 proxy does?  The plugin would really do a much nicer job, as
long as it can be installed for all the users.

(To clarify, the SMTP proxy currently allows a user to forward/bounce a
message to either a train-as-ham or train-as-spam address.  It extracts
a unique spambayes id from the message, gets the appropriate message
from the POP3 proxy cache, and trains on it.  All other mail is simply
passed through.  I've got written (but untested and uncomitted) a
version that will allow operation in a similar mode, but train on the
actual message forwarded/bounced, rather than using the POP3 proxy
cache, but that still wouldn't help here).

=Tony Meyer

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon May 19 17:25:01 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 19 19:25:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-739989 ] Corrupt Database wont train.
Message-ID: <E19Hu05-00084t-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #739989, was opened at 2003-05-19 12:50
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
>Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Benjamin J. Judson (astrogen)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Corrupt Database wont train.

Initial Comment:
So after updating to the latest CVS release I have not
been able to run a manual train on the database.

I checked out the message for why and got a stacktrace
indicating that the database was corrupt.

So I tried to do a rebuild database, and the same thing
happened.

So I deleted the database, and all the .pck files, and
started from scratch.

This is the stack trace Im getting now.

C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000>c:\python22\python.exe
manager.py
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\Administrator\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.pck'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\Administrator\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.pck'
Bayes database initialized with 0 spam and 0 good messages
Loaded databases in 3.5133ms
Exception in thread Thread-1:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Python22\Lib\threading.py", line 408, in
__bootstrap
    self.run()
  File "C:\Python22\Lib\threading.py", line 396, in run
    apply(self.__target, self.__args, self.__kwargs)
  File
"C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\dialogs\AsyncDialog.py",
line 115, in thread_target
    self._DoProcess()
  File
"C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\dialogs\TrainingDialog.py",
line 120, in _DoProcess
    self.trainer(self.mgr, self.progress, self.rebuild)
  File "C:\spambayes-1.0a2\Outlook2000\train.py", line
118, in trainer progress.set_stages(stages)
AttributeError: _Progress instance has no attribute
'set_stages'

Saving bayes database with 0 spam and 0 good messages
 -> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.pck
 -> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.pck
Saved databases in 5.97925ms

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-19 18:13

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

It sounds to me like your CVS update didn't finish the
update of Outlook2000\dialogs.  Revision 1.4 of AsyncDialog
grew that method.  Please check you have the latest files

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From piersh at friskit.com  Mon May 19 17:50:26 2003
From: piersh at friskit.com (Piers Haken)
Date: Mon May 19 19:47:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam overload
Message-ID: <9891913C5BFE87429D71E37F08210CB92975D1@zeus.sfhq.friskit.com>

I'm guessing that a client-side solution like spambayes won't work well
for you unless you have all single-user machines and no migration of
users between machines. If you're using an NT domain then you could map
a network drive in the user's profile and store the spambayes
configuration/database on a network share so it's accessible from
multiple machines - you'll need to twiddle the local spambayes
configuration files to make it look there by default. However, there's
still a few problems:
- you won't be able to have a single user use outlook from multiple
machines. I'm not sure how well spambayes handles trying to open a DB on
a network share that's already open by another machine.
- spambayes still doesn't gracefully handle outlook crashing or being
unable to save the DB for any reason.
- you're going to increase your network load somewhat due to all the
database load/saves over the network.

Maybe the spambayes database integration would help here.

I was thinking that it might be useful to do a SQL version of spambayes
where the words and probabilities are stored in separate tables:

tblTokens:
	idToken (int)
	strToken (varchar)

tblStats
	idUser (int)
	idToken (int)
	cSpam (int)
	cHam (int)

The table of tokenized strings would be shared between users (especially
useful in this, 8000+ user case). You could have a stored procedure do
the classification to save having to load/save the tokens/stats from the
DB.

Once you have this then you can either use it as a backend for a
client-based tool, or write an exchange server plugin that works
similarly to the outlook plugin, but runs on the server.

Anyone up for it? <wink>

Piers.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russell, Stephen [mailto:srussell@Hopkins.k12.ky.us] 
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:34 AM
> To: 'SpamBayes@python.org'
> Subject: [Spambayes] Spam overload
> 
> 
> Dear experts,
> We are a school system with 1100 faculty and 7000 student 
> accounts on a Win2000 server with Exchange 5.5 SP3.  We are 
> in spam overload and are in desperate need of help.  What can 
> I do to stop this onslaught of unwanted mail and still be 
> able to afford to maintain our network?  I am a department of 
> one and I need a product that is simple to use, doesn't 
> require massive amounts of admin time, and doesn't cost an 
> arm and a leg.  I don't like the idea of subscribing to an 
> online service with a yearly fee and would prefer that the 
> app sit on the Exchange box. I have done a lot of research 
> and it has brought me to you.  By reading your site I can see 
> you guys are at the forefront of this endeavor to stop spam 
> and thought that you could point me in the right direction.
>  
> Any ideas?
>  
> Thanks,
> Stephen Russell
>  
>  
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> 

From piersh at friskit.com  Mon May 19 17:53:20 2003
From: piersh at friskit.com (Piers Haken)
Date: Mon May 19 19:50:19 2003
Subject: Outlook plugin transparency (was RE: [Spambayes] Spam overload)
Message-ID: <9891913C5BFE87429D71E37F08210CB92C75CF@zeus.sfhq.friskit.com>

Yeah, the plugin is transparent in a single-user case, but it's not so
transparent in the cases where users can log in on different machines,
or multiple users can log in on the same machine.

Piers.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz] 
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 4:05 PM
> To: Russell, Stephen
> Cc: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: Outlook plugin transparency (was RE: [Spambayes] 
> Spam overload)
> 
> 
> > Others will have to speak to how transparent the Outlook
> > plugin is.  I suspect it shouldn't be too hard to pick up.  
> > I've never used it, but others on this list use it all the 
> > time.  Perhaps one of them will chime in.
> 
> IMO, the plugin is almost completely transparent (except for 
> setup).  I use the plugin for the majority of my filtering, 
> and for the most part, I hardly notice that it's there.  
> After everything is set up, the user just has mail in two 
> extra folders ('unsures' and 'spam), which need to be 
> reviewed occasionally (unless you're confident enough to put 
> the spam straight in the trash).  If you find a misclassified 
> message, just drag & drop it back to the correct folder.  
> That's it, basically.  (You can do various things via buttons 
> on the toolbar, but you'll probably find you don't have to).
> 
> Setup is a bit more complicated, but if you're able to do it 
> for them, then that wouldn't be a problem.  You could even 
> install a prebuilt database that would catch most of the spam 
> that goes through your site.
> 
> I'd highly recommend trying the plugin out yourself and 
> seeing if you think that your users would be able to handle it.
> 
> =Tony Meyer
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> 

From bill at parducci.net  Mon May 19 18:13:37 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Mon May 19 20:13:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam overload
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB2F51@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <3EC97331.5030800@parducci.net>


Meyer, Tony wrote:
> I'm not sure what you would do with it once it was classified, though.
> Move it from the user's folder to some admin folder?  Just mark it like
> the POP3 proxy does?  

the latter would be the only workable solution i think. one of the nice 
things about that approach would be that user's who chose not to 
participate in (or were ignorant of) the process would get mail normally 
(just a little subject tweaking here and there). additionally, users of 
other client mail programs could take advantage of the system as well 
(e.g. in this situation if the exchange servers had POP3 or imap access 
enabled for *IX users).

> The plugin would really do a much nicer job, as
> long as it can be installed for all the users.

i want that service contract! :)

> (To clarify, the SMTP proxy currently allows a user to forward/bounce a
> message to either a train-as-ham or train-as-spam address.  It extracts
> a unique spambayes id from the message, gets the appropriate message
> from the POP3 proxy cache, and trains on it.  All other mail is simply
> passed through.  I've got written (but untested and uncomitted) a
> version that will allow operation in a similar mode, but train on the
> actual message forwarded/bounced, rather than using the POP3 proxy
> cache, but that still wouldn't help here).

would be interesting to see what it would take to make it work. i'm not 
familiar with the details of your unpublished stuff, but at first blush 
it seem like you would need:

* a 'salt' hammiedb for each user

* two system mail accounts (e.g. spam@[mydomain] or ham@[mydoamin])

* a procmail[-like] recipe (james mailet, etc.) to initiate hammiefilter 
against appropriate hammiedb (based upon TO address)

* a procmail[-like] recipe (james mailet, etc.) to initiate mboxtrain 
against appropriate hammiedb (based upon FROM address, with a check to 
make sure ip address of sender is local--not bulletproof, but better 
than nothing)

* an 'account' for all users of the system (recipe/maillet would have to 
check for user's existence and passthru/discard/route to admin if not found)

* at least 70+GB (7000 * 10MB) of diskspace for hammiedbs (with a 
mechanism to tell when hammiedbs are getting too big, etc.)

whew! and that is just 5 minutes worth of consideration! :)

b






From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon May 19 19:12:04 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 19 21:12:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740198 ] Installation fails with
	regsvr error
Message-ID: <E19Hvfg-00031h-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740198, was opened at 2003-05-19 21:12
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Rob de Santos (rdesantos)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Installation fails with regsvr error

Initial Comment:
I'm trying to install SpamBayes into Outlook XP on 
Win98SE.  The install fails with a regsvr error.  
Attempts at manually registering the file also fail.  
Here's the log:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 10, in ?
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in 
importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", 
line 59, in ?
  
File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\genca
che.py", line 368, in EnsureModule
pywintypes.com_error: (-2147312566, 'Error 
loading type library/DLL.', None, None)
SystemError: PyErr_NormalizeException() called 
without exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 11, in ?
AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'OutlookAddin'

Any help?

Cheers,

Rob

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue May 20 14:37:11 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon May 19 21:37:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam overload
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB301D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> personally, I would think thrice before implementing the 
> outlook client on 7000 machines.

Am I right in guessing that it's not 7000 machines, it's 7000 accounts,
and many fewer machines?

> have you considered imap? :-P

I'd think more than thrice before encouraging anyone to use IMAP...  :p

=Tony Meyer

From tim_one at email.msn.com  Mon May 19 22:58:12 2003
From: tim_one at email.msn.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon May 19 21:59:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Heads up!  Tokenizer changes
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEHJEGAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEAJEKAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>

I was home sick today, and took the opportunity to look at a small
collection of surprising Unsures and exception-raising msgs I've put to the
side since last December.  Did some checkins, and they all score as solid
spam now.

The exception-raising msgs were ill-formed MIME that lacked a trailing
boundary marker.  The email pkg is happy enough with this provided they have
at least a trailing blank line, but these didn't even have that much.  I
wormed around it in the Outlook client only, by catching the distinctive
exception and feeding the string back into email.message_from_string() after
tacking an empty line onto the end.  It would be better if we had a common
wrapper around email.message_from_string() so that all clients could benefit
from these little hacks.

The other was a systematic problem with the way non-comment HTML tags got
stripped.  Here's the checkin msg:

"""
I dug into a small collection of Unsures that looked like blatant spam,
and discovered they were all using this kind of trick:

    Wr<!$FS|i|R3$s80sA >inkle Reduc<!$FS|i|R3$s80sA >tion

That is, disguising words by inserting HTML nonsense tags.  We replaced
each tag with a blank, yielding the pretty useless tokens "Wr", "inkle",
"Reduc" and "tion".  We previously fixed a similar problem using embedded
HTML comments.  I should have fixed this other one then.

Cute:  these all scored at the high end of my Unsure range anyway.  Now
they're all solidly spam.
"""

That change was to tokenizer.py, and should benefit everyone.  I recommend
doing a retrain-from-scratch after you update the code, both to purge the
useless word fragments that may have accumulated in your database, and to
get the actual whole words into it.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue May 20 16:44:30 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon May 19 23:45:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam overload
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB30E6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> - spambayes still doesn't gracefully handle outlook crashing
> or being unable to save the DB for any reason.

Mark has fixed this (at least to a certain extent) with the changes he
checked in over the last week.

> - you're going to increase your network load somewhat due to
> all the database load/saves over the network.

It really all depends on how your system is set up, but as an
alternative to storing the database on a network you could sync a local
copy from the network (this sort of thing is done in the labs here).
You might lose some training, but that shouldn't really matter,
especially if the aim is to get rid of 95% of spam rather than 99.9%.

> I was thinking that it might be useful to do a SQL version of
> spambayes where the words and probabilities are stored in 
> separate tables:
[...]
> Once you have this then you can either use it as a backend
> for a client-based tool, or write an exchange server plugin 
> that works similarly to the outlook plugin, but runs on the server.
> 
> Anyone up for it? <wink>

Coincidentally, I was working with Python and mySQL today, so I threw
this together as well (based on the given outline).  My SQL is pretty
rusty, so I'm not claiming that it's the fastest/most efficient
implementation, but I have a SQLClassifier that can be used just like
the PickleClassifier and DBClassisifers.  (Works with my testing).

If there's more than one person interested in this then I can commit it
as an update to storage.py, otherwise if anyone does want to use SQL as
their database then I can leave it as a patch on SF (let me know).

This can be used with any of the existing apps (pop3proxy, imapfilter,
Outlook plugin), or with any new thing [1].  As for writing an exchange
server plugin/smtp classifying proxy, I don't have any facility to do
testing, so someone else will have to volunteer there.

=Tony Meyer

[1] Well, actually, it needs a little bit more work.  We actually have
_two_ databases - the word count one, and a message info one (well,
pop3proxy, imapfilter and the Outlook plugin do).  The SQL bit is only
done for the word count one, not the message info, which could lead to
rather odd results.  It would be easy enough to fix this, but not until
the 'master database' idea is resolved.

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue May 20 16:50:48 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon May 19 23:51:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Heads up!  Tokenizer changes
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB30EE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> The exception-raising msgs were ill-formed MIME
[...]
> It would be better 
> if we had a common wrapper around email.message_from_string() 
> so that all clients could benefit from these little hacks.

I think we really do need to have some sort of solution for these.  Is
there someone that knows enough about how messages can be malformed/the
errors that the email package throws that can put this together?

The code should probably be added to message.py.  This would fix
imapfilter and pop3proxy immediately; I gather that the Outlook plugin
will also use message.py at some point in the future, as will
hammiefilter.

c.f [ 737967 ] Malformed messages break pop3proxy (et al)

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue May 20 17:01:07 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 20 00:01:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3103@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> >The problem is that these default to the current working directory,
> >which, obviously, changes.  The one with the information will be the 
> >42Mb one (which is pretty big; you must have trained an awful lot).
> Not really about 3000 ham and 400 spam. I'm now just trying
> to train more spam.

Someone else speak up if this is wrong, but 42Mb seems huge for a 3400
message database.  Are you using a pickle or a dbm?

> The latest CVS was quite different from the released gzip.

Absolutely.  There are plans for a new release (alpha3, probably) RSN;
it's just finding time to do what's needed.

=Tony Meyer

From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Mon May 19 22:21:54 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Tue May 20 00:22:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Meyer, Tony" <T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz> of "Tue,
	20 May 2003 16:01:07 +1200."
	<1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3103@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3103@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> 
Message-ID: <20030520042154.59C252DE36@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3103@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
             "Meyer, Tony" <T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz> writes:
>> >The problem is that these default to the current working directory,
>> >which, obviously, changes.  The one with the information will be the=20
>> >42Mb one (which is pretty big; you must have trained an awful lot).
>> Not really about 3000 ham and 400 spam. I'm now just trying
>> to train more spam.
>
>Someone else speak up if this is wrong, but 42Mb seems huge for a 3400
>message database.  Are you using a pickle or a dbm?

Yes, this does seem huge; I have a 20M db from 23000 messages.

- Alex

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Tue May 20 02:09:06 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Tue May 20 04:09:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740311 ] Fails on XP
Message-ID: <E19I2BG-0004TH-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740311, was opened at 2003-05-20 08:09
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Rony Steelandt (bucodi)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Fails on XP

Initial Comment:
Installed the binary installer 002 on XP Pro

No spamb buttons added
Here is the logfile

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\rony.BUCODI\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 
170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", 
line 322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", 
line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", 
line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 
655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 
475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 
156, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 
71, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\spambayes\tokenizer.py", line 
659, in ?
exceptions.AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no 
attribute 'skip_max_word_size'


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From fheile at pacbell.net  Mon May 19 14:18:14 2003
From: fheile at pacbell.net (Frank Heile)
Date: Tue May 20 10:00:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem installing spambayes
Message-ID: <NDBBKOOMALFHMCIILEPNGEPGCPAA.fheile@pacbell.net>

I have windows 98 second edition.  Outlook 2000 "internet mail only".  I
have also installed Spamnet from Cloudmark.

After doing the binary install, I see no evidence (button) of SpamBayes.
There is a log file in Windows/Temp but it has length 0, so no error message
there.

I go to outlook.tools.options.other.advanced_options.COM-Add-In and the box
for SpamBayes is NOT checked.  I checked it, hit OK, OK, etc.  Still no
button.  Go in again and the SpamBayes button is NOT checked again.  Every
time I check the SpamBayes box and I close that last dialog and reopen it -
it is NOT checked again.

Any Ideas?  I thought maybe Spamnet from Cloudmark might be interfering with
SpamBayes, so I UNchecked Spamnet in the COM-Add-In box but SpamBayes still
does not stay checked.

Thanks for any help,

Frank Heile
frank@heile.org



From fheile at pacbell.net  Mon May 19 14:35:31 2003
From: fheile at pacbell.net (Frank Heile)
Date: Tue May 20 10:01:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Problem installing spambayes
In-Reply-To: <NDBBKOOMALFHMCIILEPNGEPGCPAA.fheile@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <NDBBKOOMALFHMCIILEPNAEPHCPAA.fheile@pacbell.net>

Actually, after all my playing around, I now find that there are log files.
I don't know if it was just a case of operator error before when I thought
there was only 1 log file and that it's length is 0, but now the
spambayes1.log is 0 length, but the other 3 are 1K to 2K long.  I suspect
this might be another instance of bug "[ 725449 ] Binary plugin fails on
Win9x".  The longest is spambayes3.log and here it is:

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 141, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 182, in
LocateDataDirectory
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\ntpath.py", line 269, in isdir
exceptions.LookupError: no codec search functions registered: can't find
encoding
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 141, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 182, in
LocateDataDirectory
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\ntpath.py", line 269, in isdir
exceptions.LookupError: no codec search functions registered: can't find
encoding
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 141, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 182, in
LocateDataDirectory
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\ntpath.py", line 269, in isdir
exceptions.LookupError: no codec search functions registered: can't find
encoding


-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Heile [mailto:fheile@pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 1:18 PM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: Problem installing spambayes


I have windows 98 second edition.  Outlook 2000 "internet mail only".  I
have also installed Spamnet from Cloudmark.

After doing the binary install, I see no evidence (button) of SpamBayes.
There is a log file in Windows/Temp but it has length 0, so no error message
there.

I go to outlook.tools.options.other.advanced_options.COM-Add-In and the box
for SpamBayes is NOT checked.  I checked it, hit OK, OK, etc.  Still no
button.  Go in again and the SpamBayes button is NOT checked again.  Every
time I check the SpamBayes box and I close that last dialog and reopen it -
it is NOT checked again.

Any Ideas?  I thought maybe Spamnet from Cloudmark might be interfering with
SpamBayes, so I UNchecked Spamnet in the COM-Add-In box but SpamBayes still
does not stay checked.

Thanks for any help,

Frank Heile
frank@heile.org



From bill at parducci.net  Tue May 20 08:03:48 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Tue May 20 10:03:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3103@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<20030520042154.59C252DE36@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
Message-ID: <3ECA35C4.1060708@parducci.net>

T. Alexander Popiel wrote:
> Yes, this does seem huge; I have a 20M db from 23000 messages.

10M for ~8,000mgs here.

b


From bkc at murkworks.com  Tue May 20 11:28:34 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue May 20 10:10:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing split database
Message-ID: <3ECA0352.24844.2F62321@localhost>

Do you suppose that a majority of the 'words' in the database are common between 
different users, but only the ham/spam weights are different?

I'd like to consider a 'site-wide' spambayes implementation (ie, like for 7000 
accounts), but do this by splitting the database into two componets. The word list, 
which is global, and the ham/spam weights, which are personal.

I'd like to collect word lists from a bunch of sources to see how many of them are 
common.

Are there any privacy issues that would make collecting word lists (but not weights) 
objectionable to this group?



-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From rasprague at myrealbox.com  Tue May 20 07:59:53 2003
From: rasprague at myrealbox.com (Richard Sprague)
Date: Tue May 20 10:13:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes error
Message-ID: <20030520135952.GA9758@zeus>

I'm currently running the spambayes filterintg software and have been 
running into a few problems.  Here are some details on the problem. I 
hope this message willl servre to create upon this project.

procmail log:
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/bin/hammie.py", line 6, in ?
     spambayes.hammiebulk.main()
   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/hammiebulk.py", 
line 208, in main
     filtered = h.filter(msg)
   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 
108, in filter
     prob, clues = self._scoremsg(msg, True)
   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 
38, in _scoremsg
     return self.bayes.spamprob(tokenize(msg), evidence)
   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", 
line 217, in chi2_spamprob
     clues = self._getclues(wordstream)
   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", 
line 441, in _getclues
     prob = self.probability(record)
   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", 
line 301, in probability
     assert hamcount <= nham
AssertionError
procmail: Program failure (1) of "/usr/bin/hammie.py"
procmail: Rescue of unfiltered data succeeded
 From rasprague@csupomona.edu Tue May 20 01:09:30 2003
  Subject: agina
   Folder: 
/home/rasprague/mail/In					   2070

.procmailrc:
MAILDIR=$HOME/mail
DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/In
PMDIR=$HOME/.procmail
LOGFILE=$PMDIR/log

## grab stuff I send to myself
:0
* ^From.*rasprague\@csupomona\.edu.*
people/self

:0
* ^From.*rasprague\@myrealbox\.com.*
people/self

## sort mail subscriptions
:0
* ^TO.*satechs\@listproc\.csupomona\.edu.*
campus/satech

:0
* ^TO.*calpolyswingkids\@yahoogroups\.com.*
campus/swingkid

:0
* ^TO.*memories\@memoriesdancing\.com.*
campus/swingkid

:0
* ^TO.*\"\"\@pacocean\.com.*
campus/swe

## auto sort ebay auction replies
:0
* ^From.*endofauction\@ebay\.com.*
commercial/ebay

:0
* ^From.*bidconfirm@ebay\.com.*
commercial/ebay

## SpamAssasin filtering
:0
* ^X-Spam-Flag: YES
spam

## SpamBayes filtering
:0 fw:hamlock
| /usr/bin/hammie.py -f -d -p $HOME/.spambayes/hammie.db

:0
* ^X-Spambayes-Classification: spam
spam

:0
* ^X-Spambayes-Classification: unsure
unsure

.forward:
"|IFS=' ' && exec /usr/bin/procmail || exit 75 #rasprague"

spam training script:
#!/bin/sh
HAMBOX="$HOME/mail/In"
SPAMBOX="$HOME/mail/spam"

/usr/bin/nice -n10 /usr/bin/hammie.py -d -p $HOME/.spambayes/hammie.db 
-g $HAMBOX -s $SPAMBOX

output of spam training script:
Training ham (/home/rasprague/mail/In):
     68
Training spam (/home/rasprague/mail/spam):
    725

hammie.db:
attached

spambayes version:
1.0a2

python version:
2.2.2

python email package version:
(odn't know that one offhand, nor how to check it)

procmail version:
3.15.2

system information:
$ uname -a
Linux zeus 2.4.20 #2 Fri Apr 25 01:39:55 PDT 2003 i686 unknown

$ cat /proc/meminfo
         total:    used:    free:  shared: buffers:  cached:
Mem:  262565888 253366272  9199616        0 27742208 88502272
Swap: 1077501952 65155072 1012346880
MemTotal:       256412 kB
MemFree:          8984 kB
MemShared:           0 kB
Buffers:         27092 kB
Cached:          51648 kB
SwapCached:      34780 kB
Active:         166036 kB
Inactive:        60396 kB
HighTotal:           0 kB
HighFree:            0 kB
LowTotal:       256412 kB
LowFree:          8984 kB
SwapTotal:     1052248 kB
SwapFree:       988620 kB

$ df
Filesystem           1k-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda5             10490084   2262624   8227460  22% /
/dev/hda6             10490084   1005504   9484580  10% /home
/dev/hda2                23333      3994     18135  19% /boot

Linux distribution:
Slackware 9.0



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From gmino at pcsltd.com  Tue May 20 11:15:07 2003
From: gmino at pcsltd.com (Gabriel Mino)
Date: Tue May 20 10:14:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook plugin documentation
Message-ID: <3261E796E368954CB22963F2B63E81051EECD6@xmail.pcsltd.com>

I found what is currently available to be just fine but, wrote up a
step-by-step one for others to use. I recently forwarded it to someone here
and was just wondering if anyone would want to take a look @ it or host it

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed May 21 01:23:46 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue May 20 10:24:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook plugin documentation
In-Reply-To: <3261E796E368954CB22963F2B63E81051EECD6@xmail.pcsltd.com>
Message-ID: <03fb01c31edb$6ce7d670$530f8490@eden>

> I found what is currently available to be just fine but, wrote up a
> step-by-step one for others to use. I recently forwarded it
> to someone here

I hope that wasn't me <wink>

> and was just wondering if anyone would want to take a look @
> it or host it

Sure!  Ideally, if you could edit it so that it complements or replaces the
existing documentation, we could just include it with the core.  The same
things being documented a couple of times may well confuse more than help,
and as no one else around here has taken any serious interest in the docs,
just pretend that you own the documentation, and sure enough, you will!

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed May 21 01:30:07 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue May 20 10:31:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Problem installing spambayes
In-Reply-To: <NDBBKOOMALFHMCIILEPNAEPHCPAA.fheile@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <041801c31edc$507bb9b0$530f8490@eden>

> Actually, after all my playing around, I now find that there
> are log files.
> I don't know if it was just a case of operator error before
> when I thought
> there was only 1 log file and that it's length is 0, but now the
> spambayes1.log is 0 length, but the other 3 are 1K to 2K
> long.

It seems as though the file is being buffered, and not actually written
until the process ends - which is weird, as I try and avoid buffering.

> I suspect
> this might be another instance of bug "[ 725449 ] Binary
> plugin fails on
> Win9x".  The longest is spambayes3.log and here it is:

Yes, it is the same bug :(  This means the source code version will work for
you, even though it is more of a pain to install.  I am slowly working
towards a new binary release, but this looks a week away at least, and more
than likely a couple.

Mark.


From jbeard at heritageacademies.com  Tue May 20 11:20:48 2003
From: jbeard at heritageacademies.com (Jeremy Beard)
Date: Tue May 20 11:02:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] bug? - when I click the "Delete as Spam" button,
	nothing happens
Message-ID: <48E0B1D75756CB4895FF6CC18E882F1F05222C64@nhamail2.nhacentral.com>

Hi, I tried to hit
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=61702&atid=498103
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=61702&atid=498103>  to check
the existing bugs, but I get "We're Sorry. The SourceForge.net Website
is currently down for maintenance.  We will be back shortly."  
 
So, I am emailing you the contents of my log files.
 
I am running Windows XP Pro and Outlook 2002, and your Binary Outlook
Add-in.  My problem is that when I click the "Delete as Spam" button,
nothing happens.  The message that is highlighted does not get moved
into my designated Spam folder, or get graded as spam or anything.  It
is still 0% spam in my Spam score field.  When I manually move the
message to my Spam folder and re-train using the Spam Manager, it works,
the spam is graded 100% spam. 
 
This may also be worth mentioning: when I first installed the add-in,
during the installation process I got the message "There is no disk
present, please install disk into drive E" (my CDROM drive.)  I just
clicked "Continue" a few times and got past the error.  The title of the
error window was some *.temp file, I'm sorry I did not get the exact
name.  It was a lot of numbers.
 
I uninstalled the add-in using add-remove programs, and got the message
that 'not everything was removed.'  I continued and reinstalled, and
overwrote the existing directory that was originally installed but did
not get removed during uninstall.  Again I got the "There is no disk
present in drive E".  Again I just continued past this, as it was not in
the instructions at
file:///C:/Program%20Files/Spambayes%20Outlook%20Addin/docs/troubleshoot
ing.html#InstallationType.
 
Please let me know if there is a fix for my "Delete as Spam" button
problem, or if I am doing anything wrong.  Thanks and I look forward to
using your software!
 
-Jeremy Beard
jbeard@heritageacademies.com
 
 
 
 
Contents of current Spambayes log files:
_____________________________________
 
    spambayes1.log
 
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\jbeard\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\jbeard\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 84 spam and 42 good messages
Loaded databases in 4.53801ms
pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 275, in
_Invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 280, in
_invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 342, in OnClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 241, in
GetFolder
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 194, in
NormalizeID
exceptions.AssertionError: What kind of ID is 'None'?
_____________________________________
 
    spambayes2.log
 
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\jbeard\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\jbeard\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 84 spam and 42 good messages
Loaded databases in 5.17775ms
pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 275, in
_Invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 280, in
_invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 342, in OnClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 241, in
GetFolder
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 194, in
NormalizeID
exceptions.AssertionError: What kind of ID is 'None'?
SpamAddin - Disconnecting from Outlook
Bayes database is not dirty - not writing
Addin terminating: 1 COM client and 2 COM servers exist.
_____________________________________
 
    spambayes3.log
 
Registered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin
_____________________________________
 
    spambayes4.log

warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, args, kwargs)
warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, args, kwargs)
warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, args, kwargs)
Unregistered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 22, in DllUnregisterServer
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 791, in
UnregisterAddin
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named _winreg
_____________________________________
 
 
 
From jbeard at heritageacademies.com  Tue May 20 11:30:12 2003
From: jbeard at heritageacademies.com (Jeremy Beard)
Date: Tue May 20 11:03:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: DISREGARD - bug? - when I click the "Delete as
	Spam" button, nothing happens
Message-ID: <48E0B1D75756CB4895FF6CC18E882F1F04701858@nhamail2.nhacentral.com>

Hello, sorry, but I this seems to have been my fault.  After I
reinstalled, I failed to "Define Filters", which is why nothing was
happening when I clicked "Delete as Spam".  The default setting is to do
nothing.  (But I swear it wasn't working the first time I
installed...and I did set the filters...oh well...it's working now...)
 
So I guess the only issue is the "Please insert disk" issue during
installation.
 
Thanks again.
Jeremy Beard

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Jeremy Beard 
	Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:21 AM
	To: 'spambayes@python.org'
	Subject: bug? - when I click the "Delete as Spam" button,
nothing happens
	
	
	Hi, I tried to hit
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=61702&atid=498103
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=61702&atid=498103>  to check
the existing bugs, but I get "We're Sorry. The SourceForge.net Website
is currently down for maintenance.  We will be back shortly."  
	 
	So, I am emailing you the contents of my log files.
	 
	I am running Windows XP Pro and Outlook 2002, and your Binary
Outlook Add-in.  My problem is that when I click the "Delete as Spam"
button, nothing happens.  The message that is highlighted does not get
moved into my designated Spam folder, or get graded as spam or anything.
It is still 0% spam in my Spam score field.  When I manually move the
message to my Spam folder and re-train using the Spam Manager, it works,
the spam is graded 100% spam. 
	 
	This may also be worth mentioning: when I first installed the
add-in, during the installation process I got the message "There is no
disk present, please install disk into drive E" (my CDROM drive.)  I
just clicked "Continue" a few times and got past the error.  The title
of the error window was some *.temp file, I'm sorry I did not get the
exact name.  It was a lot of numbers.
	 
	I uninstalled the add-in using add-remove programs, and got the
message that 'not everything was removed.'  I continued and reinstalled,
and overwrote the existing directory that was originally installed but
did not get removed during uninstall.  Again I got the "There is no disk
present in drive E".  Again I just continued past this, as it was not in
the instructions at
file:///C:/Program%20Files/Spambayes%20Outlook%20Addin/docs/troubleshoot
ing.html#InstallationType.
	 
	Please let me know if there is a fix for my "Delete as Spam"
button problem, or if I am doing anything wrong.  Thanks and I look
forward to using your software!
	 
	-Jeremy Beard
	jbeard@heritageacademies.com
	 
	 
	 
	 
	Contents of current Spambayes log files:
	_____________________________________
	 
	    spambayes1.log
	 
	SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
	Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\jbeard\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
	Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\jbeard\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
	Bayes database initialized with 84 spam and 42 good messages
	Loaded databases in 4.53801ms
	pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
	Traceback (most recent call last):
	  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
275, in _Invoke_
	  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
280, in _invoke_
	  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
541, in _invokeex_
	  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 342, in
OnClick
	  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 241, in
GetFolder
	  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 194, in
NormalizeID
	exceptions.AssertionError: What kind of ID is 'None'?
	_____________________________________
	 
	    spambayes2.log
	 
	SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
	Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\jbeard\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
	Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\jbeard\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
	Bayes database initialized with 84 spam and 42 good messages
	Loaded databases in 5.17775ms
	pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
	Traceback (most recent call last):
	  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
275, in _Invoke_
	  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
280, in _invoke_
	  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line
541, in _invokeex_
	  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 342, in
OnClick
	  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 241, in
GetFolder
	  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 194, in
NormalizeID
	exceptions.AssertionError: What kind of ID is 'None'?
	SpamAddin - Disconnecting from Outlook
	Bayes database is not dirty - not writing
	Addin terminating: 1 COM client and 2 COM servers exist.
	_____________________________________
	 
	    spambayes3.log
	 
	Registered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin
	_____________________________________
	 
	    spambayes4.log

	warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, args,
kwargs)
	warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, args,
kwargs)
	warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, args,
kwargs)
	Unregistered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin
	Traceback (most recent call last):
	  File "<string>", line 22, in DllUnregisterServer
	  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 791, in
UnregisterAddin
	  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
	ImportError: No module named _winreg
	_____________________________________
	 
	 
	 

From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Tue May 20 09:07:06 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Tue May 20 11:07:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing split database 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Brad Clements" <bkc@murkworks.com> 
	of "Tue, 20 May 2003 10:28:34 EDT." <3ECA0352.24844.2F62321@localhost> 
References: <3ECA0352.24844.2F62321@localhost> 
Message-ID: <20030520150706.3248F2DDDA@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <3ECA0352.24844.2F62321@localhost>
             "Brad Clements" <bkc@murkworks.com> writes:

>Do you suppose that a majority of the 'words' in the database are common
>between different users, but only the ham/spam weights are different?

This is moderately likely, particularly with spam words and common
English (articles, basic verbs, etc.) being shared in common among
all users.  Technical words specific to ham will be less likely
shared.

>I'd like to consider a 'site-wide' spambayes implementation (ie, like
>for 7000 accounts), but do this by splitting the database into two
>componets. The word list, which is global, and the ham/spam weights,
>which are personal.

I'm not sure that this would gain anything; in order to make the weights
usable, they need to be indexed by word, which effectively puts the words
right back in with them.  I suppose you could assign each word a unique
hash key or something, and then index the weights by that... but that
seems like it would be a marginal savings (4 bytes of hash key vs. an
average of about 9 bytes of actual word is likely to get lost in the
indexing overhead... and then you have to do two lookups for each word
(one to get the hash key and another to get the weights)).

>I'd like to collect word lists from a bunch of sources to see how many
>of them are common.
>
>Are there any privacy issues that would make collecting word lists (but
>not weights) objectionable to this group?

I don't have any particular objection to this... do you have a snippet
of code to extract the wordlist from a db, for those of us too lazy to
come up with it on our own?

- Alex

From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue May 20 12:13:01 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue May 20 11:17:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Heads up!  Tokenizer changes
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEAJEKAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGEKIEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

Another new checkin just now taught the tokenizer how to decode numeric
character entities; here's the checkin msg:

"""
DIgging into a pile of high-scoring Unsures showed this trick:

    yo&#117;r se<!XE>p&#116;ic sys&#116;em

as a way to disguise "your septic system".  Bite the bullet and decode
numeric character entities.  Also replace <p> and <br> tags with single
blanks, since browsers break text visually when they see one of these.
"""

I found this common in "septic tank", "Russian women want to marry you", and
"accept credit cards" spam.  Against my database, these were scoring as low
spam or high unsure (at spam_cutoff 0.8).  Most score as high spam now, and
without training on them.

although-nothing-makes-the-system-faster<wink>-ly y'rs  - tim


From skip at pobox.com  Tue May 20 11:20:48 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue May 20 11:21:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing split database 
In-Reply-To: <20030520150706.3248F2DDDA@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
References: <3ECA0352.24844.2F62321@localhost>
	<20030520150706.3248F2DDDA@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
Message-ID: <16074.18384.84835.229664@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Brad> Are there any privacy issues that would make collecting word lists
    Brad> (but not weights) objectionable to this group?

My "word list" contains a lot of domain names and email addresses like

    from:name:concertmaster@musi-cal.com

I imagine that sort of stuff would be sensitive to some people.  I think if
you want a shared word list you'll have to selective about what's shared.

    Alex> I don't have any particular objection to this... do you have a
    Alex> snippet of code to extract the wordlist from a db, for those of us
    Alex> too lazy to come up with it on our own?

    import anydbm
    db = anydbm.open("hammie.db")
    for k in db.keys():
        print k

Obviously, this could get more elaborate (eliminating one thing or another),
but that's the basic idea.

Skip

From EVANS at kkl.com  Tue May 20 12:26:50 2003
From: EVANS at kkl.com (Evans, Matthew)
Date: Tue May 20 11:28:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Outlook XP Nicknames
Message-ID: <2DC52032AC98C94FAC9865863547E1B75DB219@killington.kkl.com>

I just installed SpamBayes this morning and noticed that the Nicknames
feature (when you start typing a name in the To: field and it
auto-completes) now just shows up as a blue box with a single quote in
it (').  It still appears to work, but you can't see the list of names
any longer.  Has anyone else experienced this issue?

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and
Settings\evans\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\evans\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\evans\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 0 spam and 0 good messages
Loaded databases in 190.524ms
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
318, in OnInitDialog
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: OnInitDialog() virtual handler (<bound method
FolderSelector.OnInitDialog of <dialogs.FolderSelector.FolderSelector
instance at 0x0356D350>>) raised an exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
391, in OnTreeItemSelChanged
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
372, in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
372, in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
372, in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
372, in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
warning: raising a string exception is deprecated
Checked 541 in folder Inbox - 541 new entries found.
Checked 309 in folder Spam - 309 new entries found.
E:\src\python-cvs\lib\fcntl.py:7: DeprecationWarning: the FCNTL module
is deprecated; please use fcntl
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
318, in OnInitDialog
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: OnInitDialog() virtual handler (<bound method
FolderSelector.OnInitDialog of <dialogs.FolderSelector.FolderSelector
instance at 0x050987D8>>) raised an exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
391, in OnTreeItemSelChanged
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
372, in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
372, in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
warning: raising a string exception is deprecated
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
318, in OnInitDialog
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: OnInitDialog() virtual handler (<bound method
FolderSelector.OnInitDialog of <dialogs.FolderSelector.FolderSelector
instance at 0x0514A490>>) raised an exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
391, in OnTreeItemSelChanged
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
372, in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
372, in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
391, in OnTreeItemSelChanged
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
warning: raising a string exception is deprecated
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
391, in OnTreeItemSelChanged
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
318, in OnInitDialog
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: OnInitDialog() virtual handler (<bound method
FolderSelector.OnInitDialog of <dialogs.FolderSelector.FolderSelector
instance at 0x0514A490>>) raised an exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
372, in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
391, in OnTreeItemSelChanged
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
warning: raising a string exception is deprecated
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
318, in OnInitDialog
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: OnInitDialog() virtual handler (<bound method
FolderSelector.OnInitDialog of <dialogs.FolderSelector.FolderSelector
instance at 0x0514A490>>) raised an exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
391, in OnTreeItemSelChanged
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
372, in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
372, in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
391, in OnTreeItemSelChanged
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line
355, in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
warning: raising a string exception is deprecated
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Spam
Spam filtering is disabled - ignoring new message
Deleting and spam training message 'Self Test Software Account
Information' -  trained as spam
Deleting and spam training message 'Start saving money now.' -  trained
as spam
Spam filtering is disabled - ignoring new message
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Spam
Message 'RE: Update 3/19/03' had a Spam classification of 'No'
Message 'RE: Update 3/19/03' had a Spam classification of 'No'
Message 'FW: BACKUP rfsf: success' had a Spam classification of 'No'
Message 'Another Option for Spam Detection: SpamBayes' had a Spam
classification of 'Unsure'
Deleting and spam training message '[BULK] - $115 Cosmetic Collection
for only 1 dollar - from Cosmetique' -  trained as spam
Deleting and spam training message '[BULK] - AOL Yellow Pages Offer' -
trained as spam
Recovering to folder 'Inbox' and ham training message 'Another Option
for Spam Detection: SpamBayes' -  trained as ham
Training on message 'Another Option for Spam Detection: SpamBayes' -
already was trained as good
Message 'RE: Beta Update' had a Spam classification of 'No'
Message 'FW: Worldox/Outlook toolbar' had a Spam classification of 'No'
pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 275, in
_Invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 280, in
_invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 203, in OnItemAdd
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 164, in
ProcessMessage
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 461, in
GetSubject
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 699, in GetField
pywintypes.com_error: (-2147221239, 'OLE error 0x80040109', None, None)
Deleting and spam training message '[BULK] - Technology UPDATE: Backup
Strategies, May 20, 2003' -  trained as spam
Message 'FW: Worldox/Outlook toolbar' had a Spam classification of 'No'
Message 'Paypal Security Measures' had a Spam classification of 'Yes'

Matthew Evans
Kraft Kennedy & Lesser
360 Lexington Ave. 10th Floor
New York, NY 10017
(212)692-5608 Direct
(212)692-5708 Fax
(212)986-4700 General
evans@kkl.com Email


From mail at peterbe.com  Tue May 20 16:59:30 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Tue May 20 11:43:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3103@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030520155847.00c489a8@mail.grenna.net>

At 16:01 2003-05-20 +1200, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> > >The problem is that these default to the current working directory,
> > >which, obviously, changes.  The one with the information will be the
> > >42Mb one (which is pretty big; you must have trained an awful lot).
> > Not really about 3000 ham and 400 spam. I'm now just trying
> > to train more spam.
>
>Someone else speak up if this is wrong, but 42Mb seems huge for a 3400
>message database.  Are you using a pickle or a dbm?

"pickle or a dbm"??? I have no idea. What should it be and how do you change?


> > The latest CVS was quite different from the released gzip.
>
>Absolutely.  There are plans for a new release (alpha3, probably) RSN;
>it's just finding time to do what's needed.
>
>=Tony Meyer
>
>_______________________________________________
>Spambayes mailing list
>Spambayes@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From bill at parducci.net  Tue May 20 09:48:40 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Tue May 20 11:48:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing split database
References: <3ECA0352.24844.2F62321@localhost>	<20030520150706.3248F2DDDA@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
	<16074.18384.84835.229664@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <3ECA4E58.2050606@parducci.net>



Skip Montanaro wrote:
> My "word list" contains a lot of domain names and email addresses like
> 
>     from:name:concertmaster@musi-cal.com
> 
> I imagine that sort of stuff would be sensitive to some people.  I think if
> you want a shared word list you'll have to selective about what's shared.

although, if shared words were harvested automatically (e.g. 'if 
word/weight not found, insert word...'), the only 'local' information 
would be the key/weight pair. as long as the shared words db didn't 
maintain source info (don't know why it would... <broken record> 
although insert date would be nice for freshness management :o) </broken 
record>) the information would be anonymous. also, email addresses, 
required to be sent in the clear over the wire, are unlikely to be 
sensitive. that just leaves the payload itself and since, by definition, 
everything is broken up into tokens, context should be pretty much obscured.

b


From skip at pobox.com  Tue May 20 12:07:32 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue May 20 12:08:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing split database
In-Reply-To: <3ECA4E58.2050606@parducci.net>
References: <3ECA0352.24844.2F62321@localhost>
	<20030520150706.3248F2DDDA@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
	<16074.18384.84835.229664@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3ECA4E58.2050606@parducci.net>
Message-ID: <16074.21188.153473.906169@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    bill> also, email addresses, required to be sent in the clear over the
    bill> wire, are unlikely to be sensitive.

I don't know about that.  If I send you a message I have a reasonable
expectation that you aren't going to contribute my email address to a
database shared by many people, even if the message I send you is
transmitted over the internet in the clear.  The chance that my email
address might be harvested out of a database where it sits waiting for
someone to come along and grab it is much greater than during its fleeting
existence on the net.

The nature of how gossip works suggests to me that the sensitivity of
personal information might actually be more important in a small community
where everyone knows one another.  For example: "I know Bill uses spambayes
and contributes to the word list database.  Helen's email address just
showed up in the database.  I wonder if Bill and Helen are secret lovers?",
and thus the rumor mill's wheels begin to grind.

We always tend to think that "big brother" is who we have most to fear.  I
suspect in most of our daily lives it's actually our next door neighbor.

    bill> that just leaves the payload itself and since, by definition,
    bill> everything is broken up into tokens, context should be pretty much
    bill> obscured.

Hmmm...  Something still doesn't seem right here, but it's just a gut
feeling.  Perhaps someone else will be able to put their finger on what it
is.

Skip

From bill at parducci.net  Tue May 20 10:32:52 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Tue May 20 12:32:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing split database
References: <3ECA0352.24844.2F62321@localhost>
	<20030520150706.3248F2DDDA@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
	<16074.18384.84835.229664@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3ECA4E58.2050606@parducci.net>
	<16074.21188.153473.906169@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <3ECA58B4.9000601@parducci.net>



Skip Montanaro wrote:
> I don't know about that.  If I send you a message I have a reasonable
> expectation that you aren't going to contribute my email address to a
> database shared by many people, even if the message I send you is
> transmitted over the internet in the clear.  The chance that my email
> address might be harvested out of a database where it sits waiting for
> someone to come along and grab it is much greater than during its fleeting
> existence on the net.

...someone with *query* access to the database. that seems about as 
likely as someone having read access to your mail spool, et al. file(s) 
on the server (where supposition isn't necessary, the mail can just be 
read).

> We always tend to think that "big brother" is who we have most to fear.  I
> suspect in most of our daily lives it's actually our next door neighbor.

the admin next door, maybe, but if this is written correctly, the 
neighbor shouldn't have a clue. the best that your neighbor could do 
would be to prospect the database by sending repeated individual token 
requests. not sure what could be derived from that.

b


From Daimon.Sweeney at attbi.com  Tue May 20 10:33:40 2003
From: Daimon.Sweeney at attbi.com (Daimon Sweeney)
Date: Tue May 20 12:37:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] humble suggestion
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030520092012.03095cc0@mail.attbi.com>

Hi,

I just saw your site, and am delighted to see the Bayesian approach 
evolving. I have only one hesitation about the presentation, and that is 
linguistic and philosophical.

There are many people to whom the word "ham" may be viscerally offensive, 
such as Jews, Hindus, and vegetarians. What is that, a couple of billion 
people? I realize this is hard for those who enjoy ham to realize, but 
substitute "termite grubs" or even "tofu" for "ham" and you may realize a 
similar effect. Termite grubs are prized delicacies in some places.

Identifying "ham" and "desirable" for these people simply doesn't work 
conceptually, so it creates a reflexive barrier to your idea regardless of 
the intellectual merit.

The idea of consuming large amounts of ham (acceptable email) is a real 
stomach churning turnoff, personally, so I hope you find another way to 
distinguish from spam, where the anti-meat association is entirely 
appropriate.

In any case, I applaud your research on ways to better distinguish spam 
from more desirable email.

Best regards,
Daimon sweeney



From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue May 20 14:00:40 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue May 20 13:02:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] humble suggestion
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030520092012.03095cc0@mail.attbi.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCELIEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Daimon Sweeney]
> I just saw your site, and am delighted to see the Bayesian approach
> evolving. I have only one hesitation about the presentation, and that is
> linguistic and philosophical.
>
> There are many people to whom the word "ham" may be viscerally offensive,
> such as Jews, Hindus, and vegetarians. What is that, a couple of billion
> people? I realize this is hard for those who enjoy ham to realize, but
> substitute "termite grubs" or even "tofu" for "ham" and you may realize a
> similar effect. Termite grubs are prized delicacies in some places.
>
> Identifying "ham" and "desirable" for these people simply doesn't work
> conceptually, so it creates a reflexive barrier to your idea
> regardless of the intellectual merit.

I don't worry about it.  This is the second message over the life of this
project from someone worried about someone *else* getting offended, but we
still haven't heard from someone who actually is offended.  Current
spambayes users certainly include people from all the groups you mentioned.
Most people have *some* sense of humor.

For those who don't, the source code is free for the taking, and someone who
cares enough is welcome to release a derivative work from which all
thought-to-be potentially offensive phrases have been purged.  They should
probably note that SPAM is a registered trademark of Hormel Foods
Corporation too -- I've heard that some people even like the stuff <wink>.


From gmino at pcsltd.com  Mon May 19 02:55:20 2003
From: gmino at pcsltd.com (Gabriel Mino)
Date: Tue May 20 13:33:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] humble suggestion
In-Reply-To: <3261E796E368954CB22963F2B63E8105333EAD@xmail.pcsltd.com>
Message-ID: <3261E796E368954CB22963F2B63E8105137729@xmail.pcsltd.com>

* VOMITS

The idea of consuming large amounts of ham (acceptable email) is a real 
stomach churning turnoff, personally, so I hope you find another way to 
distinguish from spam, where the anti-meat association is entirely 
appropriate.>>>>> the evils of political correctness

people need to get a grip.....# sh ./sarcasm.sh < there was a guy on the
train today who stunk really bad...maybe I should stop riding the train?
maybe, I ought to invite him over to use my shower?

such as Jews, Hindus, and vegetarians>>>>> most of my friends that fall into
these categories also DON'T fall into this one.... stoopid

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On
Behalf Of Daimon Sweeney
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:34 PM
To: SpamBayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] humble suggestion

Hi,

I just saw your site, and am delighted to see the Bayesian approach 
evolving. I have only one hesitation about the presentation, and that is 
linguistic and philosophical.

There are many people to whom the word "ham" may be viscerally offensive, 
such as Jews, Hindus, and vegetarians. What is that, a couple of billion 
people? I realize this is hard for those who enjoy ham to realize, but 
substitute "termite grubs" or even "tofu" for "ham" and you may realize a 
similar effect. Termite grubs are prized delicacies in some places.

Identifying "ham" and "desirable" for these people simply doesn't work 
conceptually, so it creates a reflexive barrier to your idea regardless of 
the intellectual merit.

The idea of consuming large amounts of ham (acceptable email) is a real 
stomach churning turnoff, personally, so I hope you find another way to 
distinguish from spam, where the anti-meat association is entirely 
appropriate.

In any case, I applaud your research on ways to better distinguish spam 
from more desirable email.

Best regards,
Daimon sweeney



_______________________________________________
Spambayes mailing list
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes



From zshepherd at alphadatasys.com  Tue May 20 13:26:02 2003
From: zshepherd at alphadatasys.com (D. Zane Shepherd)
Date: Tue May 20 13:33:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installing Outlook Plugin
Message-ID: <000901c31ef4$e5dfaa80$c2cbd940@swbell.net>

I have downloaded the .exe install from your website and have attempted to install it.  The installation appears to complete normally but nothing appeared on the Outlook Standard Toolbar.  I followed the instructions in the "Addin doesn't load" section of troubleshooting.  The SpamBayes addin is listed but it will not retain the check mark in the box after closing the dialog box.  I have completely uninstalled and reinstalled SpamBayes with the same result.  Attached is the most recent log file.  Thanks for the help.

Zane Shepherd
Dallas, TX 
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From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue May 20 14:18:13 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue May 20 13:35:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing split database
In-Reply-To: <16074.21188.153473.906169@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIELKEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

Note that people who shop online have all sorts of identifying info in their
email, including account numbers, passwords, email addresses, phone numbers,
mailing addresses, billing addresses, shipping addresses, birth dates,
Social Security number, mother's maiden name, and even credit card numbers
and expiration dates echoed back by clueless online merchants.  Besides
poke-and-hope attacks, someone who has access to a shared database could
easily learn a lot by computing deltas across incremental training; the new
tokens that show up are likely to be correlated.  Anyone thinking of sharing
a database has to be acutely aware of the risks to privacy.


From matos at attbi.com  Tue May 20 14:34:37 2003
From: matos at attbi.com (David Matos)
Date: Tue May 20 13:35:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Problem with Outlook XP Nicknames
In-Reply-To: <E19I92g-00051m-01@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <000001c31ef6$16964200$8d80b042@dexter>

FWIW, I have had the exact same problem. However, I *think* it may have
started before I installed the SpamBayes add-in; my memory is bad. Also,
strangely enough, the problem happens randomly, and I haven't seen it happen
for several days now. Very bizarre.


From bkc at murkworks.com  Tue May 20 15:14:57 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue May 20 13:56:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes gets two page spread in Infoworld
Message-ID: <3ECA3860.10117.3C564AF@localhost>

Wow, Jon Udell rates Spambayes for Outlook as "excellent" in this week's Infoworld.

Bottom Line: This powerful anti-spam weapon works with Microsoft Outlook filters 
and folders, trains on your own unique message database, and learns by watching 
you, responding to both positive and negative clues. Most important, it's immediately 
effective.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/05/16/20TCspam_1.html?s=tc


-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From bill at parducci.net  Tue May 20 12:04:03 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Tue May 20 14:04:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing split database
References: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIELKEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3ECA6E13.8000806@parducci.net>

Tim Peters wrote:
> Note that people who shop online have all sorts of identifying info in their
> email, including account numbers, passwords, email addresses, phone numbers,
> mailing addresses, billing addresses, shipping addresses, birth dates,
> Social Security number, mother's maiden name, and even credit card numbers
> and expiration dates echoed back by clueless online merchants.  

> Besides
> poke-and-hope attacks, someone who has access to a shared database could
> easily learn a lot by computing deltas across incremental training; the new
> tokens that show up are likely to be correlated.  Anyone thinking of sharing
> a database has to be acutely aware of the risks to privacy.
> 

anything beyond 'poke & hope' would require general query capabilities. 
if weighting is maintained locally any call to the shared repository 
would be of the form 'index = stoken(token)'. if the token doesn't exist 
in the shared db, it is inserted and a new index is returned. a 
determined hacker could figure out if a token already exists by 
comparing index numbers *if the system used serial indexing* (which 
could be foiled by using a hashed index) but beyond that, only the 
existence of the token could be derived.

is that valuable? sure, but if you have enough information to poke & 
hope meaningfully in a large community, then you likely have enough 
information to take action directly.

that said, such design constraints make the shared db idea questionable 
WRT size savings. (as pointed out earlier, but it took me a while to 
fully grasp :o)

b


From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue May 20 15:22:27 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue May 20 14:23:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes gets two page spread in Infoworld
In-Reply-To: <3ECA3860.10117.3C564AF@localhost>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEMBEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Brad Clements]
> Wow, Jon Udell rates Spambayes for Outlook as "excellent" in this
> week's Infoworld.
>
> ...
>
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/05/16/20TCspam_1.html?s=tc

Thanks for sharing the link, Brad!  It's a postively ecstatic review, and
I'm delighted to see Mark Hammond get some of the credit he deserves for the
Outlook addin.  Keep 'em coming <wink>.


From bkc at murkworks.com  Tue May 20 15:47:34 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue May 20 14:29:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing split database
In-Reply-To: <3ECA6E13.8000806@parducci.net>
Message-ID: <3ECA4005.31365.3E3403D@localhost>

On 20 May 2003 at 11:04, bill parducci wrote:

> that said, such design constraints make the shared db idea questionable WRT
> size savings. (as pointed out earlier, but it took me a while to fully
> grasp :o)

There are I guess two privacy issues at play here

1. collecting word statistics from members of this group to see just how much overlap 
there is among users. 

2. privacy after deployment.

In the first case, since I'm only looking to determine the amount of overlap and 
disjointness, I don't need the actual words, I could use a hash of each word. Sure, 
the upload will be huge, but maybe not too bad after running through gzip

In the second case.. We might not get that far if there's not enough overlap to make 
it pay off. ;-)




-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From bkc at murkworks.com  Tue May 20 15:48:45 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue May 20 14:40:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes gets two page spread in Infoworld
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEMBEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <3ECA3860.10117.3C564AF@localhost>
Message-ID: <3ECA404C.23943.3E45660@localhost>

On 20 May 2003 at 14:22, Tim Peters wrote:

> Thanks for sharing the link, Brad!  It's a postively ecstatic review, and
> I'm delighted to see Mark Hammond get some of the credit he deserves for
> the Outlook addin.  Keep 'em coming <wink>.
> 

Jon Udell had a "pre-echo" blog post that also mentions Mark. Way to go Mark!

http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2003/05/08.html#a684




-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From Daimon.Sweeney at attbi.com  Tue May 20 12:44:46 2003
From: Daimon.Sweeney at attbi.com (Daimon Sweeney)
Date: Tue May 20 14:48:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] humble suggestion
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCELIEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030520092012.03095cc0@mail.attbi.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030520104729.030b6558@mail.attbi.com>


>
> >
> > Identifying "ham" and "desirable" for these people simply doesn't work
> > conceptually, so it creates a reflexive barrier to your idea
> > regardless of the intellectual merit.
>
>I don't worry about it.  This is the second message over the life of this
>project from someone worried about someone *else* getting offended, but we
>still haven't heard from someone who actually is offended.

Thanks for the polite response. I got another one of a different type.

If you don't care, neither do I, but you left out the paragraph where I 
said I personally was, not offended, but put off, so maybe you can't say 
that anymore. But I'll take back what I said about anyone else being 
bothered. Let the pork-avoiding masses speak for themselves, or forever 
hold their noses.

I'm much more offended by your suggestion that I don't have a sense of 
humor.  Maybe I just don't get jokes that depend on shared opinions of the 
relative merits of different kinds of meat. Oh well, that's a deficiency I 
can live with. In fact, I'd be hard-pressed to think of something lower on 
my priority list.

>Most people have *some* sense of humor.

The more I think of it, the more fascinating it is that what I said is 
interpreted in terms of having a sense of humor. The other follow referred 
to this as well.


>  SPAM is a registered trademark of Hormel Foods
>Corporation too -- I've heard that some people even like the stuff <wink>.

And I'm very happy for those people. I ate it myself as a child and 
survived, to the regret of some. As if in another lifetime, I do remember 
the anticipation with which I greeted the news that we were having SPAM for 
dinner. Yuck.

I so hope Hormel has given Monty Python a lifetime supply of SPAM (tm) for 
publicity beyond anything they could have dreamed of.

I actually do want to apologize, not for my opinion, but because I didn't 
realize the original email would be posted to a group. I was sent a link to 
the site, glanced at it and thought I'd dash off a little consumer reaction 
to the company behind the thing, not realizing it was an open source 
project. My mistake. So I'll exit now and you can get on to more important 
things, as will I.

Best regards,
and I really do think the Bayesian approach is brilliant, and wish you all 
success, however you define it,
Daimon Sweeney




From johnb at vidar.com  Tue May 20 15:39:20 2003
From: johnb at vidar.com (John Baumgartner)
Date: Tue May 20 14:48:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] A question about your spam filter
Message-ID: <8542EF87B416E84986705E5057A1A5CC0FDD4E@mailhost02.vidar.corp>

Hello,
First, your filter is terrific. I get an average of 75.7 junk e-mails per day. Your filter removes nearly all the spam.

My question:
Is it possible to set the filter such that when it processes a known spam, it clears the "new message" icon in my system tray? If that could be done, I'd be checking my empty inbox a lot less often.

Thanks,
John B
Herndon, VA.

From dtarbell at bellatlantic.net  Tue May 20 15:37:43 2003
From: dtarbell at bellatlantic.net (Dick Tarbell)
Date: Tue May 20 14:49:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Addin does not load
Message-ID: <000201c31efe$e7c9e2c0$0d02a8c0@WorkGroup>

Spambays addin is listed and not checked -- I check the box and click ok --
I go back in and the box is not checked.

I installed it from starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes -- download
spambays-outlook-setup-002.exe

Below is the copy of the log

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 141, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 182, in
LocateDataDirectory
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\ntpath.py", line 269, in isdir
exceptions.LookupError: no codec search functions registered: can't find
encoding
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 141, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 182, in
LocateDataDirectory
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\ntpath.py", line 269, in isdir
exceptions.LookupError: no codec search functions registered: can't find
encoding
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 141, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 182, in
LocateDataDirectory
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\ntpath.py", line 269, in isdir
exceptions.LookupError: no codec search functions registered: can't find
encoding
Registered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 141, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 182, in
LocateDataDirectory
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\ntpath.py", line 269, in isdir
exceptions.LookupError: no codec search functions registered: can't find
encoding
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 141, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 182, in
LocateDataDirectory
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\ntpath.py", line 269, in isdir
exceptions.LookupError: no codec search functions registered: can't find
encoding



From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue May 20 15:59:06 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue May 20 15:01:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] humble suggestion
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030520104729.030b6558@mail.attbi.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEMGEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>


[Daimon Sweeney]
> Thanks for the polite response. I got another one of a different type.
>
> If you don't care, neither do I, but you left out the paragraph where I
> said I personally was, not offended, but put off, so maybe you can't say
> that anymore. But I'll take back what I said about anyone else being
> bothered. Let the pork-avoiding masses speak for themselves, or forever
> hold their noses.

LOL!  Let 'em eat pork.

> I'm much more offended by your suggestion that I don't have a sense of
> humor.

My apologies -- I didn't mean to suggest that you're humorless.  Spelled
out, the Jews, Hindus and vegetarians I personally know who use spambayes do
have a sense of humor, and perhaps that's why they don't express offense.  I
expect that most people do have a sense of humor sufficient to avoid taking
offense at playful puns.  It's not like "ham" is an ethnic slur; I've heard
it applied pejoratively to bad actors, but that's it.

> Maybe I just don't get jokes that depend on shared opinions of the
> relative merits of different kinds of meat.

Maybe not.  "spam" was originally a contraction of "spiced ham", so the word
was intimately related to ham since its coinage.

> Oh well, that's a deficiency I can live with. In fact, I'd be hard-
> pressed to think of something lower on my priority list.

>> Most people have *some* sense of humor.

> The more I think of it, the more fascinating it is that what I said is
> interpreted in terms of having a sense of humor. The other follow
> referred to this as well.

He can speak for myself (maybe -- I had a hard time understanding his post).
I was speculating as to why the target groups you speculated about hadn't
actually howled in protest yet.

> ...
> Best regards, and I really do think the Bayesian approach is brilliant,
> and wish you all success, however you define it,

Thanks!  Feel free to use the spam filter, too -- that's partly how I
measure success here.


From skip at pobox.com  Tue May 20 15:22:23 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue May 20 15:22:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing split database
In-Reply-To: <3ECA4005.31365.3E3403D@localhost>
References: <3ECA6E13.8000806@parducci.net> <3ECA4005.31365.3E3403D@localhost>
Message-ID: <16074.32879.729010.620712@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Brad> 1. collecting word statistics from members of this group to see
    Brad>    just how much overlap there is among users.
    ...
    Brad> In the first case, since I'm only looking to determine the amount
    Brad> of overlap and disjointness, I don't need the actual words, I
    Brad> could use a hash of each word. Sure, the upload will be huge, but
    Brad> maybe not too bad after running through gzip

If there's much redundancy available for gzip to squeeze out after running
words through a hash function, it's not a very good hash function. ;-)

I just ran this:

    >>> import anydbm
    >>> import sha
    >>> db = anydbm.open("hammie.db")
    >>> f = open("key-hash", "w")
    >>> for k in db.keys():
    ...   o = sha.new(k)
    ...   f.write(o.digest())
    ... 
    >>> f.close()
    >>> db.close()

The result is 7843220 bytes long (each digest is 20 bytes).  Gzipping it
resulted in a slightly larger file (7844447 bytes).  If you'd like it, I can
place it on the web for you to snatch.

Skip


From bkc at murkworks.com  Tue May 20 17:21:59 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue May 20 16:03:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing split database
In-Reply-To: <16074.32879.729010.620712@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <3ECA4005.31365.3E3403D@localhost>
Message-ID: <3ECA5626.32042.439B0C7@localhost>

On 20 May 2003 at 14:22, Skip Montanaro wrote:

> I just ran this:
> 
>     >>> import anydbm
>     >>> import sha
>     >>> db = anydbm.open("hammie.db")
>     >>> f = open("key-hash", "w")
>     >>> for k in db.keys():
>     ...   o = sha.new(k)
>     ...   f.write(o.digest())
>     ... 
>     >>> f.close()
>     >>> db.close()
> 
> The result is 7843220 bytes long (each digest is 20 bytes).  Gzipping it
> resulted in a slightly larger file (7844447 bytes).  If you'd like it, I
> can place it on the web for you to snatch.

Yes please.

Okay everyone whose willing to contribute a hashed version of their wordlist, please 
use sha as shown above and I'll compare the hashes.

You can upload via anonymous ftp if you wish to

ftp://ftp.murkworks.com/uploads/spambayes

Note that this is a drop-only location, you won't see the file after you upload it and you 
cannot overwrite a file with the same name, so if you choose to contribute your hash 
"list" via ftp upload, please select a unique name and also send me a message off-
list indicating you've uploaded it.

Dual T3 connection here.



-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From agmsmith at rogers.com  Tue May 20 17:17:57 2003
From: agmsmith at rogers.com (Alexander G. M. Smith)
Date: Tue May 20 16:19:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] humble suggestion
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEMGEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <31093226068-BeMail@cr593174-a>

Tim Peters wrote on Tue, 20 May 2003 14:59:06 -0400:
> Maybe not.  "spam" was originally a contraction of "spiced ham", so the
> word was intimately related to ham since its coinage.

I'm using "Genuine", "Spam" and "Uncertain" here.  That's mostly because
spam and ham sound too much alike in the audio announcements I've got set
up for incoming mail.

- Alex

From skip at pobox.com  Tue May 20 16:20:25 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue May 20 16:20:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing split database
In-Reply-To: <3ECA5626.32042.439B0C7@localhost>
References: <3ECA4005.31365.3E3403D@localhost>
	<3ECA5626.32042.439B0C7@localhost>
Message-ID: <16074.36361.656807.874763@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Brad> You can upload via anonymous ftp if you wish to

    Brad> ftp://ftp.murkworks.com/uploads/spambayes

Done.  Look for key-hash.skip

Skip

From ark3 at email.com  Tue May 20 17:31:23 2003
From: ark3 at email.com (Abhay Saxena)
Date: Tue May 20 16:31:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training via IMAP Filter
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130197953A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <061D6EA2-8B02-11D7-B809-00039345DE8C@email.com>

On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 08:15  PM, Meyer, Tony wrote:
>> Can you explain the circumstances under which the unique ID can 
>> change?
>
> Unfortunately, it can change whenever the server wants it to (blame
> Crispin, not me!).  A good server wouldn't change them, but it is
> allowed to.  The RFC says: [...]

Interesting. I've been thinking about this a little over the weekend. 
Most IMAP-aware mail clients I use are able to keep a local cache of my 
folders' contents to enable offline mail reading. How do they do this? 
I would assume the programs are using IMAP uids to track the messages 
within a folder. If, in practice, most IMAP servers allowed message 
uids to change completely between sessions, this feature would be 
completely impractical.

Of course, the occasional instance of a message's IMAP uid changing 
isn't a big deal; the mail client must simply delete the original 
version of the message from its cache and cache the "new" message. How 
would Spambayes deal with a similar situation? It would be as if the 
user deleted a message and then a new message appeared that happened to 
have the same content. I suppose this would cause a slight distortion 
in the contents of hammie.db (how slight depending on how often IMAP 
uids changed), but it shouldn't cause any major problems as far as I 
can see.

Thoughts?

> Please make sure that if you figure out the problem you submit a 
> patch, though!

I will, if I ever get there. Training Spambayes (which I can only do 
using hammie.py or mboxtrain.py right now) is kind of annoying, so I 
haven't done any training since the initial training I did on about 200 
ham and 200 spam. Despite the lack of ongoing training, Spambayes has 
been working extremely well. No immediate incentive... but I'll get to 
it soon anyhow.

   - Abhay


From ark3 at email.com  Tue May 20 17:40:04 2003
From: ark3 at email.com (Abhay Saxena)
Date: Tue May 20 16:40:10 2003
Subject: Failsafe (was Re: [Spambayes] Does anyone care about this report?)
In-Reply-To: <20030514205125.354512DE88@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
Message-ID: <3C473AAB-8B03-11D7-B809-00039345DE8C@email.com>

On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 04:51  PM, T. Alexander Popiel wrote:
> [...] The failsafe nature is not really obvious.  For the first part, 
> standard procmail holds that if a filter (and I'm using spambayes as a 
> filter) exits with a non-zero exit code, then the original mail is 
> retained instead of the filtered version.

Ah, that was the part I needed to know. Thanks.

So now that I'm not worried about losing email to Spambayes crashes, 
the only thing I really have to worry about is malformed messages 
(which cause hammiefilter.py to output what is essentially an empty 
message).

I don't suppose we can assume that hammiefilter.py should always output 
something bigger than its input, since minor whitespace shuffling or 
whatever might decrease the size of a large message more than adding a 
header increases it. But can we somehow notice when hammiefilter.py 
significantly reduces the size of a message (say by 10% or more) and 
fall back to the original in that case? I'm not sure whether this is 
something we want to do in Python or Procmail (for those of us using 
Procmail).

   - Abhay



From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Tue May 20 14:50:32 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Tue May 20 16:50:34 2003
Subject: Failsafe (was Re: [Spambayes] Does anyone care about this
	report?) 
In-Reply-To: Message from Abhay Saxena <ark3@email.com> of "Tue,
	20 May 2003 16:40:04 EDT."
	<3C473AAB-8B03-11D7-B809-00039345DE8C@email.com> 
References: <3C473AAB-8B03-11D7-B809-00039345DE8C@email.com> 
Message-ID: <20030520205032.0E9482DDDA@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <3C473AAB-8B03-11D7-B809-00039345DE8C@email.com>
             Abhay Saxena <ark3@email.com> writes:
>
>I don't suppose we can assume that hammiefilter.py should always output 
>something bigger than its input, since minor whitespace shuffling or 
>whatever might decrease the size of a large message more than adding a 
>header increases it. But can we somehow notice when hammiefilter.py 
>significantly reduces the size of a message (say by 10% or more) and 
>fall back to the original in that case? I'm not sure whether this is 
>something we want to do in Python or Procmail (for those of us using 
>Procmail).

Better would be for hammie to annotate the message outside the
(fallible) auspices of the email package, much as pop3proxy does.
Making a small munger that only dealt with adding a header at the
top and filtering out same-named preexisting headers is a much
simpler problem than actually representing logical contents of
the message.

- Alex (too lazy to fix it at the moment)

From bejm at eeg.ccf.org  Tue May 20 18:47:26 2003
From: bejm at eeg.ccf.org (bejm@eeg.ccf.org)
Date: Tue May 20 18:09:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Unix email
Message-ID: <20030520214726.GB1283@gateway.eeg.ccf.org>


Gents:

does SpalBayes work with good ol' plain-vanilla text-based Unix-style
Micro$oft-macro-proof email?

--
Mark


-- 
Mark D. Bej, M.D.
bejm@eeg.ccf.org

Midwest Neuroscience. Inc.
1 E. Main St., Suite 200A
Norwalk, Ohio 44857-1512
(419) 663-0020

From bill at parducci.net  Tue May 20 16:19:00 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Tue May 20 18:19:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Unix email
References: <20030520214726.GB1283@gateway.eeg.ccf.org>
Message-ID: <3ECAA9D4.8080207@parducci.net>

a typical installation involves a simple procmail recipe that kicks off 
spambayes and another to see if you have spam. spambayes, being written 
in python, runs on a number of platforms.

b


bejm@eeg.ccf.org wrote:
> Gents:
> 
> does SpalBayes work with good ol' plain-vanilla text-based Unix-style
> Micro$oft-macro-proof email?
> 
> --
> Mark
> 
> 



From skip at pobox.com  Tue May 20 18:20:28 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue May 20 18:20:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Unix email
In-Reply-To: <20030520214726.GB1283@gateway.eeg.ccf.org>
References: <20030520214726.GB1283@gateway.eeg.ccf.org>
Message-ID: <16074.43564.478224.708650@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Mark> does SpalBayes work with good ol' plain-vanilla text-based
    Mark> Unix-style Micro$oft-macro-proof email?

Yes, there are plenty of us using it with procmail-based setups.  There is a
hammiefilter program which tucks into .procmailrc just fine.  There is also
a pop3proxy program which you can stick between your mail client and the
real POP3 server.  An IMAP filter is in alpha.

For more details, check out

    http://spambayes.sf.net/

Click the "Applications" link.

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Tue May 20 18:23:50 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue May 20 18:23:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Auto-reply to spambayes non-subscribers?
Message-ID: <16074.43767.165.397425@montanaro.dyndns.org>


I suspect Spambayes is going to attract more interest after Jon Udell's
Infoworld article and we're going to continue to field basic questions such
as the one I just replied to.  Would it be possible to set up an auto-reply
for spambayes@python.org which provides an auto-reply to non-subscribers'
messages similar to the webmaster@python.org auto-reply?  I'll gladly work
on the reply text.

Skip


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Tue May 20 16:25:05 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Tue May 20 18:25:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740777 ] Binary Plugin v2 fails to
	install on Win2k with Outlook2kSR1
Message-ID: <E19IFXd-00058g-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740777, was opened at 2003-05-20 22:25
Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=740777&group_id=61702

Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Stefan Franke (sfranke)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Binary Plugin v2 fails to install on Win2k with Outlook2kSR1

Initial Comment:
Logfile says this:

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration file 'C:\Dokumente und 
Einstellungen\Franke.ABLETON\Anwendungsdaten\
SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal 
dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  
File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py"
, line 170, in dispatch
  
File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy
.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
  
File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy
.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
  
File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy
.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", 
line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000
\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000
\manager.py", line 156, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000
\manager.py", line 71, in 
import_core_spambayes_stuff
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in 
importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\spambayes\tokenizer.py", 
line 659, in ?
exceptions.AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has 
no attribute 'skip_max_word_size'


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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Tue May 20 16:27:41 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Tue May 20 18:27:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740777 ] Binary Plugin v2 fails to
	install on Win2k with Outlook2kSR1
Message-ID: <E19IFa9-0005DJ-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740777, was opened at 2003-05-20 22:25
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by sfranke
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Deleted
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Stefan Franke (sfranke)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Binary Plugin v2 fails to install on Win2k with Outlook2kSR1

Initial Comment:
Logfile says this:

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration file 'C:\Dokumente und 
Einstellungen\Franke.ABLETON\Anwendungsdaten\
SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal 
dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  
File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py"
, line 170, in dispatch
  
File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy
.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
  
File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy
.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
  
File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy
.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", 
line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000
\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000
\manager.py", line 156, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000
\manager.py", line 71, in 
import_core_spambayes_stuff
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in 
importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\spambayes\tokenizer.py", 
line 659, in ?
exceptions.AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has 
no attribute 'skip_max_word_size'


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>Comment By: Stefan Franke (sfranke)
Date: 2003-05-20 22:27

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=431616

Sorry, this is the same one than item #740311 but
on different platform

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Tue May 20 16:28:26 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Tue May 20 18:28:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740311 ] Fails on XP
Message-ID: <E19IFas-0005F4-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740311, was opened at 2003-05-20 08:09
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by sfranke
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Rony Steelandt (bucodi)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Fails on XP

Initial Comment:
Installed the binary installer 002 on XP Pro

No spamb buttons added
Here is the logfile

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\rony.BUCODI\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 
170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", 
line 322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", 
line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", 
line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 
655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 
475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 
156, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 
71, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\spambayes\tokenizer.py", line 
659, in ?
exceptions.AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no 
attribute 'skip_max_word_size'


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Comment By: Stefan Franke (sfranke)
Date: 2003-05-20 22:28

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=431616

I have the same one with Outlook2000 (SR-1) on Win2k.


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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 21 11:28:30 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 20 18:29:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Auto-reply to spambayes non-subscribers?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB326F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I suspect Spambayes is going to attract more interest after 
> Jon Udell's Infoworld article and we're going to continue to 
> field basic questions such as the one I just replied to.  
> Would it be possible to set up an auto-reply for 
> spambayes@python.org which provides an auto-reply to 
> non-subscribers' messages similar to the webmaster@python.org 
> auto-reply?  I'll gladly work on the reply text.

Definitely +1 on the idea.  I think we need to update the webpage to
note the problems with installing the binary on XP, as well, given that
the article said that it works fine, when it really doesn't ;)  I'll get
to this later today if no-one else does.

(Mark, do you want to add a note to your site about it? (It was the site
linked)).

=Tony Meyer

From barry at python.org  Tue May 20 23:32:51 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Tue May 20 18:32:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Auto-reply to spambayes non-subscribers?
In-Reply-To: <16074.43767.165.397425@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <16074.43767.165.397425@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <1053469938.3260.26.camel@barry>

On Tue, 2003-05-20 at 18:23, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> I suspect Spambayes is going to attract more interest after Jon Udell's
> Infoworld article and we're going to continue to field basic questions such
> as the one I just replied to.  Would it be possible to set up an auto-reply
> for spambayes@python.org which provides an auto-reply to non-subscribers'
> messages similar to the webmaster@python.org auto-reply?  I'll gladly work
> on the reply text.

You can set up an autoreply for all postings to spambayes@python.org
(with a long grace period), or you can reject non-member postings
outright and include a canned message in the rejection notice.  You
can't autoreply just to non-members (although that's a good use case :).
Work on the text, decide how you want it to work, and I'll make it
happen.

-Barry



From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 21 11:47:50 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 20 18:48:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] A question about your spam filter
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3283@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> My question:
> Is it possible to set the filter such that when it processes 
> a known spam, it clears the "new message" icon in my system 
> tray? If that could be done, I'd be checking my empty inbox a 
> lot less often.

Please see:
[ 648271 ] Code to remove the New Mail icon
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=648271&group_i
d=61702&atid=498105>

You might be able to use the code in that patch (although not if you are
using the binary), but overall I believe that the consensus was that
this was not a good idea.

On the other hand, there is a feature request at the moment to
(optionally) mark mail classified as spam as read, which might do this
for you (it depends on how well behaved the tray icon is).  This will
get implemented sooner or later (although most likely not in time for
the 003 binary release).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 21 11:51:05 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 20 18:51:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Outlook XP Nicknames
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3285@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I just installed SpamBayes this morning and noticed that the 
> Nicknames feature (when you start typing a name in the To: 
> field and it
> auto-completes) now just shows up as a blue box with a single 
> quote in it (').  It still appears to work, but you can't see 
> the list of names any longer.  Has anyone else experienced this issue?

I definitely do not get this (Windows XP and Outlook 2002), and did not
when I was using the plugin with Windows 2000 and Outlook 2000.

What version of Windows/Outlook are you using?  If you uninstall
spambayes, does the problem go away?

By the way, the trace with the "no module named timer" is a known bug,
which will be fixed in the 003 binary release.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 21 11:55:41 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 20 18:56:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB328D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> "pickle or a dbm"??? I have no idea. What should it be and 
> how do you change?

Sorry, I should have been clearer.  Unless you have changed the
"persistent_use_database" option or are calling pop3proxy/imapfilter
with the "-d" option, you will be using a database and not a pickle.

There seems to be a general consensus that your database was pretty
large for the number of messages trained.  This might be as a result of
the messageinfo db problems (before there was an explicit path to it) -
some messages may have been trained multiple times.

It's up to you to decide whether this is a problem.  The only effect it
will have (besides the large db) is that those emails trained multiple
trains will have a greater weight.  If they were 'good' examples of
spam/ham, then that shouldn't matter much.  If you value the hard drive
space, then a retrain might be a good idea (if you have mail to retrain
on).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 21 12:02:00 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 20 19:03:31 2003
Subject: Failsafe (was Re: [Spambayes] Does anyone care about thisreport?)
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3299@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Abhay]
> So now that I'm not worried about losing email to Spambayes crashes, 
> the only thing I really have to worry about is malformed messages 
> (which cause hammiefilter.py to output what is essentially an empty 
> message).

[Alex]
> Better would be for hammie to annotate the message outside the
> (fallible) auspices of the email package, much as pop3proxy 
> does. Making a small munger that only dealt with adding a 
> header at the top and filtering out same-named preexisting 
> headers is a much simpler problem than actually representing 
> logical contents of the message.

pop3proxy has this problem too (IIRC it used to work outside the email
package, but no longer does).  IMO, we really need to catch the email
exceptions and deal with the message then (i.e. fix the cause, not the
effect).  If we have no idea about how to fix the particular message,
then we should leave it alone (pass it through unchanged in pop3proxy,
and whatever the equivalent is with hammiefilter).

=Tony Meyer (who is too busy to fix this one at the moment ;)

From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Tue May 20 17:20:57 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Tue May 20 19:21:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Unix email 
In-Reply-To: Message from bejm@eeg.ccf.org of "Tue,
	20 May 2003 17:47:26 EDT." <20030520214726.GB1283@gateway.eeg.ccf.org> 
References: <20030520214726.GB1283@gateway.eeg.ccf.org> 
Message-ID: <20030520232057.BBA0C2DDDA@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <20030520214726.GB1283@gateway.eeg.ccf.org>
             bejm@eeg.ccf.org writes:
>
>Gents:
>
>does SpalBayes work with good ol' plain-vanilla text-based Unix-style
>Micro$oft-macro-proof email?

I use it with procmail and MH, so unless I'm hallucinating, that's a
yes...

- Alex

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 21 12:39:07 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 20 19:39:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes error
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB32F3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm currently running the spambayes filtering software and have been 
> running into a few problems.  Here are some details on the problem.
[...]
>      assert hamcount <= nham
> AssertionError

This is a really long running problem.  The database keeps track of the
total number of ham/spam you have trained, as well as the count for each
word.  For some reason, sometimes the total count gets out of sync and
isn't as high as it should be (sometimes it even gets to zero).  I've
love to be able to fix this, but I have never had this problem myself
(which leads me to suspect that it doesn't effect the Outlook plugin,
since the majority of my mail goes through that), and so it's hard to
track down.

Anyway, to fix this:
  * run -e -D hammie.db -f hammie.txt
  * open hammie.txt and change the first two numbers to 81465 and 860909
(these are the maximum nham and hspam in your db).  Actually, you can
change them to anything larger than this.
  * run -I -D hammie.db -f hammie.txt

I don't recall if this was answered before, but as a fallback for when
this happens, couldn't spambayes just (print a warning and) set the
hamcount/spamcount to the largest nham and hspam?  I don't see that this
would have that detrimental an effect, but then I'm not a statistician.

> python email package version:
> (don't know that one offhand, nor how to check it)

In IDLE/PythonWin's interpreter, type:
	import email
	email.__version__

(But it shouldn't matter in this case, this is just for future reference
:)

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 21 12:48:30 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 20 19:49:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing split database 
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3308@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm not sure that this would gain anything; in order to make 
> the weights usable, they need to be indexed by word, which 
> effectively puts the words right back in with them.  I 
> suppose you could assign each word a unique hash key or 
> something, and then index the weights by that...
[...]

Interesting that this came up at this time.  There was a message the
other day about using a SQL database behind spambayes (for the multiple
user situation).  The suggested tables did this - there was a table of
tokens and the stats were referenced by token id.  I implemented a
storage class in this style, but it did seem at the time that it was
unnecessary overhead.  I presume the reasoning behind the design was the
same reasoning in this thread.

> I don't have any particular objection to this... do you have 
> a snippet of code to extract the wordlist from a db, for 
> those of us too lazy to come up with it on our own?

I note that there is a code snippet that uses sha, but for (everyone's)
future reference, it might be worth pointing out that you can use
dbimpexp.py (in the main directory) to extract a db (or pickle) to a `
separated text file.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 21 12:50:26 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 20 19:51:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing split database
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB330C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Okay everyone whose willing to contribute a hashed version of 
> their wordlist, please 
> use sha as shown above and I'll compare the hashes.

Are you only interested in our personal databases, or also ones that we
use for testing?  (like the SpamAssassin corpus or Bruce G's
collections).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 21 13:01:19 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 20 20:02:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training via IMAP Filter
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3324@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Most IMAP-aware mail clients I use are able to keep a local 
> cache of my folders' contents to enable offline mail reading. How do
they 
> do this? 

You'd have to ask them ;)  There are alternatives to the UIDs - hashes
of the message, for example.  UIDs would be a reasonable bet for many
MUAs, though.

> I would assume the programs are using IMAP uids to track the messages 
> within a folder. If, in practice, most IMAP servers allowed message 
> uids to change completely between sessions, this feature would be 
> completely impractical.

True.  I'm not saying that most do - if I was implementing an IMAP
server I certainly would not reset UIDs at any point.  The potential for
a problem is there, though, and it's not worth introducing something
that may result in a bug later on (unless it is unavoidable).

Consider, also, that the problem will only arise if you keep messages on
the server for a long time.  If you move them off into local store (or
delete them), which many people probably do (ISPs limit space, for a
start), then the problem doesn't arise.

> Of course, the occasional instance of a message's IMAP uid changing 
> isn't a big deal; the mail client must simply delete the original 
> version of the message from its cache and cache the "new" 
> message.

Except that you don't get a nice "the uid of this message id is now id2"
message.  There isn't any way to determine if you are looking at a new
message or an old message with a new id.  So you can't delete the
original.

> How would Spambayes deal with a similar situation? It would
> be as if the user deleted a message and then a new message appeared
that 
> happened to have the same content. I suppose this would cause a slight
> distortion in the contents of hammie.db (how slight depending on how
> often IMAP uids changed), but it shouldn't cause any major problems
> as far as I can see.

If the uids changed every time you connected to the server (a definite
possibility), then you would retrain on *all* mail every time you
connected.  Not a good thing.

> Thoughts?

I tried to use the uids as long as I could, because making our own
seemed unnecessary overhead.  Given that these problems could occur,
though, I don't see the point of introducing a potential problem in the
hope that it will only have a minor effect.

The solution at the moment (rewriting messages with a unique id) works.
It has one drawback, and that is that the IMAP messages are immutable,
so the message has to be deleted (except that IMAP messages can't be
deleted, just marked for deletion).  This means lots of "marked as
deleted" messages, and potentially big problems if something goes wrong
with the read/write process.  This drawback doesn't seem significant
enough to me that the solution is invalidated.

Let's face it; IMAP is a really ugly, poorly designed protocol.  (Not
that I'm claiming I could do a better job ;).

=Tony Meyer

From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue May 20 21:17:33 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue May 20 20:18:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Auto-reply to spambayes non-subscribers?
In-Reply-To: <16074.43767.165.397425@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIENIEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Skip Montanaro]
> I suspect Spambayes is going to attract more interest after Jon Udell's
> Infoworld article

Indeed, I've been home sick the last two days, and whenever I'm logged on
there's another post from a non-member waiting for moderator approval.  This
used to be twice-a-week thing, now it's a full-time job <wink>.

> and we're going to continue to field basic questions such
> as the one I just replied to.  Would it be possible to set up an
> auto-reply for spambayes@python.org which provides an auto-reply to
> non-subscribers' messages similar to the webmaster@python.org
> auto-reply?  I'll gladly work on the reply text.

That would be great!  Of course I don't have a clue how to go about doing
it.  Barry?


From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue May 20 21:20:57 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue May 20 20:21:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Trouble w/ Outlook buttons
In-Reply-To: <HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJAOENBCNAA.hadar@opticality.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOENIEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

The attached came from a private correspondent.  I don't recognize the
symptoms.  I urged them to open a bug report on SF, as I don't see anything
particularly relevant there now.  I'm *assuming* they used the binary
installer, and I don't know which version of Outlook or OS is in use.  Have
asked for clarification.

> -----Original Message-----
>
> ...
>
> It installed just fine, and I was able to pull up the
> manager and configure it.
>
> I had double buttons, so I did a quick Google search and
> saw that this problem had already been fixed, and I was
> supposed to just "quit and restart" Outlook.
>
> Indeed, when I quit and restart, I had the buttons on the
> right hand only, and I was happy (or so I thought :-).
>
> The spam manager button was no longer "clickable", but it
> wasn't "greyed" out either. I simply couldn't press it.
>
> I uninstalled SB. When I launched Outlook, the buttons
> were still there, and still didn't work. I reinstalled,
> and I still have one set of "unpressable" buttons...
>
> Anyway, it seems that someone when I quit and restarted
> it, it knows to display the icons for the buttons, but
> doesn't hook them up to anything.
>
> Do you know how I go about fixing this? If not, do you
> know how I get rid of the buttons altogether? They are
> now on the "standard toolbar", not their own...


From bkc at murkworks.com  Tue May 20 21:41:08 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue May 20 20:22:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing split database
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB330C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <3ECA92E3.1720.526F07F@localhost>

On 21 May 2003 at 11:50, Meyer, Tony wrote:

> Are you only interested in our personal databases, or also ones that we use
> for testing?  (like the SpamAssassin corpus or Bruce G's collections).

I think both would be interesting, as long as I know which is personal (hence, real world) and 
which are test (not real world)

with respect to dbimpexp.py, folks are sending sha hashes so they can keep their privacy. ;-)





-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue May 20 21:38:24 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue May 20 20:39:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes error
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB32F3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAENKEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Richard Sprague]
> I'm currently running the spambayes filtering software and have been
> running into a few problems.  Here are some details on the problem.
> [...]
>      assert hamcount <= nham
> AssertionError

[Meyer, Tony]
> This is a really long running problem.  The database keeps track of the
> total number of ham/spam you have trained, as well as the count for each
> word.  For some reason, sometimes the total count gets out of sync and
> isn't as high as it should be (sometimes it even gets to zero).  I've
> love to be able to fix this, but I have never had this problem myself
> (which leads me to suspect that it doesn't effect the Outlook plugin,
> since the majority of my mail goes through that), and so it's hard to
> track down.

I've never seen it either, but also use the Outlook client (and
exclusively).  I'm surprised we haven't gotten another clue in all this
time!  Who's cheating <wink -- but if a client is going thru Classifier's
learn() and unlearn() interfaces, it's easy to show that hamcount <= nham is
a global invariant>?


> Anyway, to fix this:
>   * run -e -D hammie.db -f hammie.txt
>   * open hammie.txt and change the first two numbers to 81465 and 860909
> (these are the maximum nham and hspam in your db).  Actually, you can
> change them to anything larger than this.

Hold on.  If the maximum record spamcount is 860909, that means Richard
trained on 860,909 distinct spam messages all of which contained a common
word.  That's very hard to believe.  Sounds more like the database has gone
out to lunch.

>   * run -I -D hammie.db -f hammie.txt
>
> I don't recall if this was answered before, but as a fallback for when
> this happens, couldn't spambayes just (print a warning and) set the
> hamcount/spamcount to the largest nham and hspam?  I don't see that this
> would have that detrimental an effect, but then I'm not a statistician.

Let's not shoot the messenger (i.e., the failing assert isn't the problem,
the failing assert is a symptom of a problem).  When the database is hosed,
you may as well plug in numbers at random.


From gmino at pcsltd.com  Tue May 20 21:41:34 2003
From: gmino at pcsltd.com (Gabriel Mino)
Date: Tue May 20 20:41:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] General heads up on errors from winders/outlook machines
Message-ID: <3261E796E368954CB22963F2B63E81051EECE5@xmail.pcsltd.com>

99% of the time that I have seen errors with spambayes (lately) has been
when either windoez or office had not been patched to the latest "patches",
this would certainly without question be my 1st suggestion to those having
problems

"my windowz PC is SO full of patches....it's a quilt!"

From skip at pobox.com  Tue May 20 21:28:02 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue May 20 21:28:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Auto-reply to spambayes non-subscribers?
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIENIEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <16074.43767.165.397425@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIENIEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16074.54818.633828.595206@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> I suspect Spambayes is going to attract more interest after Jon
    >> Udell's Infoworld article

    Tim> Indeed, I've been home sick the last two days, and whenever I'm
    Tim> logged on there's another post from a non-member waiting for
    Tim> moderator approval.  This used to be twice-a-week thing, now it's a
    Tim> full-time job <wink>.

Once we get an auto-reply item written (I'm trying to track down the text
used for the webmaster address to use as a template), I suspect it would be
okay to simply let anyone's post through to the list.  

Skip

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Tue May 20 19:39:28 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Tue May 20 21:39:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740843 ] No Disk Error with Outlook
	2000 on startup
Message-ID: <E19IIZk-0003Sm-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740843, was opened at 2003-05-20 19:39
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Sam Snow (snowsam)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: No Disk Error with Outlook 2000 on startup

Initial Comment:
After installing SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-002.exe I am
now getting an error dialog on Outlook startup. The box
says:

(Header) Inbox - Microsoft Outlook:OUTLOOK.EXE - No Disk
(Body) There is no disk in the drive. Please insert a
disk into drive \Device\Harddisk0\DR0.
(Buttons) Cancel, Try Again, Continue

I am able to click cancel or continue several times and
then outlook goes ahead and opens up. I just installed
this evening, so I am not sure if the filtering is
still working correctly. I was able to train the
program sucessfully. 

I am using Office 2000 SP3 on Win 2000. I will try to
attach a jpg of the dialog box. 

My error log says the following:

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\Snow1\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\Snow1\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 0 spam and 0 good messages
Loaded databases in 4.64165ms
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Spam
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 31.9599ms
pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
line 275, in _Invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
line 280, in _invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line
203, in OnItemAdd
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line
163, in ProcessMessage
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line
15, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line
440, in score
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line
217, in chi2_spamprob
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line
465, in _getclues
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line
316, in probability
exceptions.AssertionError: 





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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed May 21 12:34:03 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue May 20 21:40:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Auto-reply to spambayes non-subscribers?
In-Reply-To: <1053469938.3260.26.camel@barry>
Message-ID: <099201c31f39$10b5e960$530f8490@eden>

Another alternative would be a couple of extra mailing lists.  I could see:

spambayes-dev: developers (ie, this group now).
spambayes-users: users and general support queries.
spambayes-announce: New versions - may be particularly useful for Outlook
users that currently have a problem listed in one of the bugs and can't worm
around it.

One advantage I see is that we may attract some "power users" willing to
help out on the -users list.  Tony is doing an excellent job in this role at
the moment, but everyone would prefer to see him spend more time in the code
:)  I'm not sure the current single list would attract such people, so it
will always continue to fall to us.

Mark.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue May 20 22:42:55 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue May 20 21:44:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Heads up!  Tokenizer changes
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB30EE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEOFEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Meyer, Tony]
> I think we really do need to have some sort of solution for these.  Is
> there someone that knows enough about how messages can be
> malformed/the errors that the email package throws that can put this
> together?

Nope, not even the author.  Email messages have a defined syntax, and the
number of ways to violate the rules is essentially unbounded.  When Barry
(and other contributors) knew of a sensible way to proceed in the face of
errors, the email pkg is already trying to do so under strict=False parsing.

Our needs are specific to what we do.  In the patch I talked about, the
insane MIME structure could very well be a showstopper for many
applications.  In our app, though, we don't really give a rat's ass about
the original MIME, we only want to suck out the words.  If what was intended
to be a plain-text part and an HTML part get smushed together, we really
don't care.  So it's appropriate for us to catch the exception and rework
the message a bit so that the email pkg can tolerate it.

Overall, that's more a matter of seeing what breaks than of prior analysis;
bad structure seems rare, even in spam.  I count about 16 places
message_from_string() is called now.  It's used by mboxutils.get_message()
with basic protections that used to live in tokenizer.py.  That's probably
the best version to build on.  It catches MessageParseError, which is the
base class for all parsing complaints; the BoundaryError subclass caught by
the most recent patch is a special case it would be good to catch there too,
before falling back to a more drastic hack.

> The code should probably be added to message.py.  This would fix
> imapfilter and pop3proxy immediately; I gather that the Outlook plugin
> will also use message.py at some point in the future, as will
> hammiefilter.

Just so there's *some* choke point for asking the email pkg to perform this
vulnerable task.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue May 20 23:01:28 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue May 20 22:02:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Auto-reply to spambayes non-subscribers?
In-Reply-To: <16074.54818.633828.595206@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEOIEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Skip Montanaro]
> Once we get an auto-reply item written (I'm trying to track down the
> text used for the webmaster address to use as a template), I suspect
> it would be okay to simply let anyone's post through to the list.

Probably not, I'm afraid.  Because of the nature of this list, SpamAssassin
is set to stop virtually nothing sent here.  We attract about one spam per
day here, which I discard.  OTOH, since everyone reading this list doesn't
have a spam problem, maybe I shouldn't worry about that <wink>.


From barry at python.org  Wed May 21 00:04:26 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Tue May 20 23:05:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Auto-reply to spambayes non-subscribers?
In-Reply-To: <16074.54818.633828.595206@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <EE21CCAC-8B38-11D7-BC72-003065EEFAC8@python.org>

On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 09:28 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> Once we get an auto-reply item written (I'm trying to track down the 
> text
> used for the webmaster address to use as a template), I suspect it 
> would be
> okay to simply let anyone's post through to the list.

Maybe we should just go ahead and give Skip admin privs on the 
spambayes list.  Tim will have to send him the password though -- I 
don't remember it.

-Barry


From skip at pobox.com  Tue May 20 23:07:41 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue May 20 23:07:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Heads up!  Tokenizer changes
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEOFEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB30EE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEOFEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16074.60797.413588.813568@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tim> Nope, not even the author.  Email messages have a defined syntax,
    Tim> and the number of ways to violate the rules is essentially
    Tim> unbounded.  When Barry (and other contributors) knew of a sensible
    Tim> way to proceed in the face of errors, the email pkg is already
    Tim> trying to do so under strict=False parsing.

It seems to me that the simplest way to punt and guarantee a parseable
message would be to simply change the Content-Type of the message to
text/plain.  You obviously make some compromises (like multipart-alternative
messages would have make duplicate tokens), but it should be guaranteed to
parse, shouldn't it?

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Tue May 20 23:09:52 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue May 20 23:09:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Auto-reply to spambayes non-subscribers?
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEOIEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <16074.54818.633828.595206@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEOIEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16074.60928.81138.799881@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> it would be okay to simply let anyone's post through to the list.

    Tim> Probably not, I'm afraid.  Because of the nature of this list,
    Tim> SpamAssassin is set to stop virtually nothing sent here.  We
    Tim> attract about one spam per day here, which I discard.  OTOH, since
    Tim> everyone reading this list doesn't have a spam problem, maybe I
    Tim> shouldn't worry about that <wink>.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Skip

From seant at iname.com  Wed May 21 00:13:25 2003
From: seant at iname.com (Sean True)
Date: Tue May 20 23:13:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Announcements?
In-Reply-To: <E19IJuh-0005fv-02@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <MJEHLHJKGINLONDMMKNEGEMJLBAA.seant@iname.com>

As noted before, I'm working on a commercial version of the Outlook add-in.
I'm wondering whether
I should announce new revisions and availability on this list? Opinions,
please.

-- Sean


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed May 21 14:17:06 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue May 20 23:18:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Announcements?
In-Reply-To: <MJEHLHJKGINLONDMMKNEGEMJLBAA.seant@iname.com>
Message-ID: <09e901c31f47$75acbde0$530f8490@eden>

> As noted before, I'm working on a commercial version of the 
> Outlook add-in.
> I'm wondering whether
> I should announce new revisions and availability on this 
> list? Opinions,
> please.

I think that is fine.

Mark.


From tim_one at email.msn.com  Wed May 21 00:29:40 2003
From: tim_one at email.msn.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue May 20 23:30:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Heads up!  Tokenizer changes
In-Reply-To: <16074.60797.413588.813568@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGECIEKAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>

[Skip Montanaro]
> It seems to me that the simplest way to punt and guarantee a parseable
> message would be to simply change the Content-Type of the message to
> text/plain.  You obviously make some compromises (like
> multipart-alternative messages would have make duplicate tokens), but
> it should be guaranteed to parse, shouldn't it?

The failures here come *from* message_from_string() -- there is no Message
object to work with at this point.  Sometimes the body can't be parsed, and
sometimes not even the headers can be parsed.  Workarounds are needed for
both kinds of errors, and some are in place, but they're half-hearted and
scattered around the codebase now.  mboxutils.get_message() is the best
current routine to build on.


From tim_one at email.msn.com  Wed May 21 00:29:42 2003
From: tim_one at email.msn.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue May 20 23:30:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Announcements?
In-Reply-To: <MJEHLHJKGINLONDMMKNEGEMJLBAA.seant@iname.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIECIEKAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>

[Sean True]
> As noted before, I'm working on a commercial version of the Outlook
> add-in. I'm wondering whether I should announce new revisions and
> availability on this list?
> Opinions, please.

Within reason, yes, they'd be welcome.  Since I'm a list moderator, my
definition of reason applies, and I think my definition is pretty
reasonable.


From bill at parducci.net  Tue May 20 21:55:28 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Tue May 20 23:56:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training via IMAP Filter
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3324@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <3ECAF8B0.8060702@parducci.net>



Meyer, Tony wrote:

> Let's face it; IMAP is a really ugly, poorly designed protocol.  (Not
> that I'm claiming I could do a better job ;).

actually, you probably could ;-)

this may be a dumb question, but having watched a number of you struggle 
with the IMAP protocol, i have wondered why IMAP be addressed directly 
at all? in my little [shady and deranged] world, the IMAP server is part 
& parcel with the SMTP server (sendmail in this case). wouldn't it be 
easier to address this at the SMTP level (via procmail, etc.) then try 
to take on the IMAP black hole? it would seem that as long as users can 
be trained as to what the spam folder is and to leave ham in the INBOX 
for 24 hours (unless you can kick off retaining via e-mail), that this 
would would be conducive to spambayes operations (provided you had the 
disk space to handle the hammiedbs).

am i missing something significant here? is the goal to move evaluation 
(and (hammiedbs) to the client workstations?

b


From anthony at interlink.com.au  Wed May 21 15:08:26 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Wed May 21 00:08:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Auto-reply to spambayes non-subscribers? 
In-Reply-To: <099201c31f39$10b5e960$530f8490@eden> 
Message-ID: <200305210408.h4L48Rs11521@localhost.localdomain>


>>> "Mark Hammond" wrote
> Another alternative would be a couple of extra mailing lists.  I could see:
> 
> spambayes-dev: developers (ie, this group now).
> spambayes-users: users and general support queries.
> spambayes-announce: New versions - may be particularly useful for Outlook
> users that currently have a problem listed in one of the bugs and can't worm
> around it.

+1. This is becoming a high volume list.

Is anyone working on a new alpha release? Tim/Tony?

Anthony

-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 21 17:24:47 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 21 00:25:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Auto-reply to spambayes non-subscribers? 
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3493@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > spambayes-dev: developers (ie, this group now).
> > spambayes-users: users and general support queries.
> > spambayes-announce: New versions
> +1. This is becoming a high volume list.

+1 here, too.  Although I think it would probably be a good idea to keep
the "spambayes" name - instead of "spambayes-users", perhaps. (Unless
we're all too lazy to move to -dev ;)

> Is anyone working on a new alpha release? Tim/Tony?

We both are, although we've both ended up getting busy with other things
at the same time.  I really think it is due, though.

The tasks I'm working on to get there are:
 * A changelog (half done)
 * Checking the documentation to see that it's all current &
understandable.
 * Checking if there is anything necessary in the way of instructions to
upgrade from the last release (I can check pop3proxy & the Outlook
plugin, but nothing else).

In terms of code, now that the imapfilter seems to be working, and the
options stuff also, I can't see anything that needs to be done before
the next alpha, IMO.  (plenty before a beta, though :( ).  There might
be some Outlook plugin issues, but people should really be grabbing the
binaries, not the alpha releases, for that, anyway.

If someone wants to do something, they could check the manifest/setup
files; I don't really know what the story with those is.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 21 17:28:43 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 21 00:29:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Auto-reply to spambayes non-subscribers?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3497@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> One advantage I see is that we may attract some "power users" 
> willing to help out on the -users list.  Tony is doing an 
> excellent job in this role at the moment, but everyone would 
> prefer to see him spend more time in the code :)

You mean it doesn't give me more time for my real work?  <wink>.  More
importantly, such users would be great for quicker responses when we're
all busy (or for those like me and Mark, responses when this half of the
world is asleep).

> I'm not sure the current single list would attract such 
> people, so it will always continue to fall to us.

It makes it easier to filter through it all too - especially given the
number of very similar 'help' messages recently.  Even if the list isn't
split into users/dev, an announce list would be good for those that use
spambayes but don't have time for user *or* dev messages.

=Tony Meyer

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Tue May 20 22:44:55 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 21 00:45:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740893 ] failure to install
Message-ID: <E19ILTD-0005OJ-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740893, was opened at 2003-05-21 00:44
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Jack Steiner (steinman1950)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: failure to install

Initial Comment:
Attempted install of binary version on W98 machine 
running Outlook2000.  Did install and uninstall twice.  
As directed by the troubleshooting guide, checked 
the COM Add-ins - Spambayes was listed but not 
checked.  I checked it, closed the dialog box, 
reopened the dialog box and it was not checked 
again.  I ran regsvr32.exe but got an error.  This 
may be similar to ID #725449.

Jack Steiner
502-228-8110
jack@steiner.win.net

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 21 17:48:31 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 21 00:49:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes error
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB34C0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I've never seen it either, but also use the Outlook client 
> (and exclusively).  I'm surprised we haven't gotten another 
> clue in all this time!

Me, too.  I'm also surprised that it doesn't show up in testing - we
don't use the Outlook client for that...

> Who's cheating <wink -- but if a 
> client is going thru Classifier's
> learn() and unlearn() interfaces, it's easy to show that 
> hamcount <= nham is a global invariant>?

It really is bizarre.  It must surely be introduced when reading or
writing the db.  I also have my suspicions about the classifier.py lines
that "account for string" ham/spam counts - they should always be ints,
and never strings, and I think it's hiding a different problem.  (I've
changed this in my local copy, but since I don't come across the error,
I don't think it will help).

> Hold on.  If the maximum record spamcount is 860909, that 
> means Richard trained on 860,909 distinct spam messages all 
> of which contained a common word.  That's very hard to 
> believe.  Sounds more like the database has gone out to lunch.

You know, that's a good point... :)  Perhaps I should have thought about
the numbers instead of just copying them...

Looking at the word list, there are a lot of words with the same count
(1296, for example).  That might indicate that messages have been
trained a *lot* of times.  The words at the top are those that you would
expect to be there, however - "the", "you", "header:subject:1",
"header:to:1", "header:from:1", "proto:http", and so on.  And the count
does go down to single figures (no hapaxes, however).

So, Richard, if you have trained over 861,000 unique spam messages,
things may be ok, but if not you might want to retrain your db.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 21 17:58:31 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 21 00:59:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training via IMAP Filter
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB34CF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I have wondered why IMAP be addressed directly 
> at all? in my little [shady and deranged] world, the IMAP 
> server is part & parcel with the SMTP server
[...]
> am I missing something significant here? is the goal to move 
> evaluation (and (hammiedbs) to the client workstations?

Evaluation (and hammiedbs) are already on the client workstations; or at
least that was the aim (with imapfilter).

Believe it or not :), some people actually chose to use IMAP instead of
POP3 (or Exchange, or ...).  So the filter is for those people using
Eudora or OE or something with an IMAP server rather than a POP3 one
(since they can't use pop3proxy).

=Tony Meyer

From skip at pobox.com  Wed May 21 01:14:04 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed May 21 01:14:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes error
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB34C0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB34C0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <16075.2844.443633.561855@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> I've never seen it either, but also use the Outlook client (and
    >> exclusively).  I'm surprised we haven't gotten another clue in all
    >> this time!

    Tony> Me, too.  I'm also surprised that it doesn't show up in testing -
    Tony> we don't use the Outlook client for that...

I don't use the Outlook client and I haven't encountered that problem.
Maybe I retrain from scratch too often (every couple of weeks anyway).  On
the other hand, I never train (incremental or full) into the database I use
for classification, so there's no chance (or only a very slight chance) that
I'm updating my database while hammiefilter is trying to use it.  I train
into a copy of the database, then use it to update in two training copies,
on my laptop via cp, and on the Mojam mail server via rsync.  I'm not aware
of a problem in either setup.

    Tony> So, Richard, if you have trained over 861,000 unique spam
    Tony> messages, things may be ok, but if not you might want to retrain
    Tony> your db.

I suspect even with all the testing Tim has done, he hasn't trained on
861,000 unique spams.

Skip


From skip at pobox.com  Wed May 21 01:35:46 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed May 21 01:36:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to change login name during install?
Message-ID: <16075.4146.705423.131948@montanaro.dyndns.org>

My SF username is "montanaro" not "skip", so by default updating the
Spambayes website using "make install" doesn't work.  I wormed around the
problem for the moment by prepending "montanaro@" to LIVE_DEST in
scripts/make.rules.  Surely there's a better way to accomplish this with
some sort of rsync or ssh rc file?

Skip


From skip at pobox.com  Wed May 21 01:37:05 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed May 21 01:37:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Platform page?
Message-ID: <16075.4225.833542.16957@montanaro.dyndns.org>


I suspect we should have a platform page on the website with major
categories for Windows, Unix/Linux and Mac, and subcategories for various
email clients.  What's necessary to get Spambayes running on Linux using
Mutt will be different than on Windows using Outlook, which will be
different than on Mac OS 9 using Eudora.  I don't even know, does Mark's
installer also include Python or is the regular install required as a
prerequisite?

Skip


From skip at pobox.com  Wed May 21 01:52:23 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed May 21 01:53:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] auto reply text
Message-ID: <16075.5143.924682.553369@montanaro.dyndns.org>


I checked in a draft of an automatic reply for the Spambayes mailing list to
the website CVS repository and modified the website Makefile so it gets
installed.  Those of you without website CVS access can view it here:

    http://spambayes.sf.net/reply.txt

Skip

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 21 18:53:23 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 21 01:54:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Platform page?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB34F9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I suspect we should have a platform page on the website with 
> major categories for Windows, Unix/Linux and Mac, and 
> subcategories for various email clients.

+1.  Perhaps even a page for each platform, with categories for various
clients.

> I don't even know, does Mark's 
> installer also include Python or is the regular install 
> required as a prerequisite?

It includes everything you need.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 21 18:57:51 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 21 01:59:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to change login name during install?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB34FB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> My SF username is "montanaro" not "skip", so by default 
> updating the Spambayes website using "make install" doesn't 
> work.  I wormed around the problem for the moment by 
> prepending "montanaro@" to LIVE_DEST in scripts/make.rules.  
> Surely there's a better way to accomplish this with some sort 
> of rsync or ssh rc file?

I had the same problem ("anadelonbrin" vs "tameyer"), and did similar
worming.  I changed the line:
	RSYNC_RSH =	ssh
to
	RSYNC_RSH =	"ssh -l anadelonbrin"
which worked for me.  Could the username be passed to the make install
script? (defaulting to whatever it defaults to now).  i.e. I would
execute:
	make install -l anadelonbrin

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Wed May 21 19:05:16 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 21 02:06:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] auto reply text
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3501@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

Nice text :)

What are people's thoughts about using something along these lines
(maybe with a slightly longer explanation of what spambayes is) as the
main "readme.txt" file?  The current readme is really for developers or
testers more than users (it could become readme-devel.txt or something
like that).

> There is a known problem installing the Outlook
> plug-in on Windows XP.
> (What are the symptoms?  Is there a workaround?)  

The clearest symptom from what I have seen is that the "Anti-Spam"
buttons don't appear and the log file will have a trace (or many) that
has:
  "'OptionsClass' object has no attribute 'skip_max_word_size'",
  "'module' object has no attribute 'DBDictClassifier'"
or
  "cannot import name tokenize"
in it.

The only workaround (AFAIK) is to install Python (if necessary) and use
either the cvs or (I think) alpha2.

> Note that you also need a
> recent enough version of Python installed on your system.

As noted in the previous message, this needs to note that this is not
the case if using Mark's binary.

=Tony Meyer

From anthony at interlink.com.au  Wed May 21 17:24:10 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Wed May 21 02:25:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to change login name during install? 
In-Reply-To: <16075.4146.705423.131948@montanaro.dyndns.org> 
Message-ID: <200305210624.h4L6OAl13124@localhost.localdomain>


>>> Skip Montanaro wrote
> My SF username is "montanaro" not "skip", so by default updating the
> Spambayes website using "make install" doesn't work.  I wormed around the
> problem for the moment by prepending "montanaro@" to LIVE_DEST in
> scripts/make.rules.  Surely there's a better way to accomplish this with
> some sort of rsync or ssh rc file?

>From my .ssh/config:

Host *.sourceforge.net
  User anthonybaxter



From skip at pobox.com  Wed May 21 02:55:42 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed May 21 02:56:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Announcements?
In-Reply-To: <MJEHLHJKGINLONDMMKNEGEMJLBAA.seant@iname.com>
References: <E19IJuh-0005fv-02@mail.python.org>
	<MJEHLHJKGINLONDMMKNEGEMJLBAA.seant@iname.com>
Message-ID: <16075.8942.778664.858524@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Sean> As noted before, I'm working on a commercial version of the
    Sean> Outlook add-in.  I'm wondering whether I should announce new
    Sean> revisions and availability on this list? Opinions, please.

Fine by me.

Skip

From lists at olivermaunder.co.uk  Wed May 21 11:02:43 2003
From: lists at olivermaunder.co.uk (Oliver Maunder)
Date: Wed May 21 05:03:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training via IMAP Filter
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB34CF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB34CF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <3ECB40B3.7000308@olivermaunder.co.uk>

Meyer, Tony wrote:

>>I have wondered why IMAP be addressed directly 
>>at all? in my little [shady and deranged] world, the IMAP 
>>server is part & parcel with the SMTP server
>>    
>>
In my world it's a bit different :-)  The IMAP server is on my ISP's 
system, not mine, so I haven't got access to sendmail, procmail, etc.

>Evaluation (and hammiedbs) are already on the client workstations; or at
>least that was the aim (with imapfilter).
>  
>
But the "client workstations" in this case are not necessarily the same 
computers that are being used to read the mail.

>Believe it or not :), some people actually chose to use IMAP instead of
>POP3 (or Exchange, or ...).  So the filter is for those people using
>Eudora or OE or something with an IMAP server rather than a POP3 one
>(since they can't use pop3proxy).
>  
>
Here's why I use IMAP. I read my mail from work, from home (dual booting 
Windows and Linux), through a web interface and from my mobile phone. 
With IMAP I get the same view of my mail from anywhere - all the 
messages are in the same folders, if I read a message in one location, 
it's marked as read everywhere.

The alternative is to use POP3 and leave the messages on the server for 
a certain period of time. But then there's no way of telling which 
messages I've already read, and which are genuinely new. I would also 
need to be running pop3proxy in several locations.

I can leave imapfilter running on my home PC, and when I check my email 
at work, it is already filtered. If I check it on my mobile (OK - that 
does use POP3) all the spam has already been moved from the inbox.

So - that's why I use IMAP. I'm not saying it's the best mail protocol 
around, but it works for me :-)

Olly



From mph at explor.co.uk  Wed May 21 09:51:04 2003
From: mph at explor.co.uk (Martin Hepworth)
Date: Wed May 21 08:10:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Beginners question
Message-ID: <C41ACE686173AE4A9E1EBD94D046B27705C7C8@exeter.wira.explor.co.uk>

Hi,
 
I am using the binary distribution of the SpamBayes Outlook Plugin on
Windows XP with Outlook 2002, SP2. Everything appears to work OK, but I
have noticed the following behaviour.
 
When new mail arrives in my inbox, if I read it immediately the message
appears to be unread until I read it a second time. If I wait for a few
minutes and then read the message, it immediately changes to a read
message.
 
Everything else appears to work OK.
 
??
 
Martin.
From paulw at bluegrassgroup.com  Wed May 21 13:03:34 2003
From: paulw at bluegrassgroup.com (Paul Watson)
Date: Wed May 21 08:11:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes: Bug: Outlook 2003 BETA 2
Message-ID: <9BCBFCE4A3B7D140BA5FEFA74E9E8D6C0DADFF@bgctnt01.bluegrass.capetown>

Installed the Spambayes Outlook add-in but it does not work. I am
running Outlook 2003 BETA 2 which I think is probably the problem. It
does list in the COM Addin list. Trying to remove it though actually
crashes Outlook. No toolbar appears.

OS: Windows XP SP1.

regards,
Paul Watson
Analysis & Design
 
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
 
w> bluegrassgroup.com
c> +27 (0)83 302 8874
t> +27 (0)21 7979 755
f> +27 (0)21 761 9310

From wonderful_day at softhome.net  Wed May 21 01:53:54 2003
From: wonderful_day at softhome.net (Wonderful Day)
Date: Wed May 21 08:11:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] A problem installing spambayes
Message-ID: <6b5401c31f5d$2a09c9d0$0500a8c0@office>

I just downloaded the latest EXE from http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes/ and installed it on my win 98 machine with Outlook 2K.  Spambayes doesn't load.  If I look at the OCM add in list, I see it there, unchecked.  If I check it, click OK, and close those windows then restart outlook, it still doesn't start and remains unchecked!  Am I doing something wrong?!  THANKS!




SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 141, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 182, in
LocateDataDirectory
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\ntpath.py", line 269, in isdir
exceptions.LookupError: no codec search functions registered: can't find
encoding
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 141, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 182, in
LocateDataDirectory
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\ntpath.py", line 269, in isdir
exceptions.LookupError: no codec search functions registered: can't find
encoding


From seant at iname.com  Wed May 21 09:13:48 2003
From: seant at iname.com (Sean True)
Date: Wed May 21 08:14:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamAtBay Beta candidate 6
In-Reply-To: <E19Fih1-0005CX-01@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <MJEHLHJKGINLONDMMKNEGEOBLBAA.seant@iname.com>

After some positive feedback, I'm posting the changes list for the latest
beta of
SpamAtBay, a commercial version of the Spambayes Outlook add-in. We're
focusing on
Tim's "easy enough for my sister" metric. To reiterate previous note: free
(permanent) license to
any SpamBayes developer. Free permanent licenses to anyone who uses a beta
version.
Send me email if you want a beta.

Changes before candidate 4 are available with the download.

-- Sean

Release 1.0 Beta Candidate 6 (0.95)
1) Safer save of configuration file
2) Switching dialogs to normal-modal
3) Restructured and simplified menus
4) Sender list is now context sensitive
5) Survive PasteFace problems in OL 2002
6) Preparing string resouces for localization
7) Check to make sure databases are valid before import
8) Install must be done by admin user, but all Outlook users
   have access to the add-in, with separate registration and personal data
9) Help button removed from Control Panel (use menu)
10) Quarantine Now button dropped from Quarantine Rules panel
11) Contact Support mail now goes directly to issues processing system
12) Time consuming operations (training, filtering) have warning
13) ProcessMessages after registration and setup wizard, to catch any that
    came in
14) Disable GUI after 14-day trial, but leave it in place, leave Contact
    Support and Register items active
15) Drop first (registration) page of Setup Wizard
16) Safer save of databases


Release 1.0 Beta Candidate 5 (0.94)
1) Addresses shutdown issues with lingering Outlook
2) Internal logging and profiling support
3) Initial detection logic for Outlook 2003 (not supported)
4) Addresses some potential issues in Outlook security model
5) Sets registration friendly name and description
6) Changes "Show spam clues" format to be user friendly tables
7) Add Senders menu item, whitelist/blacklist senders and domains

Release 1.0 Beta Candidate 4 (0.93)
1) Support saving and loading database
2) Setup wizard framework now can invoke dialogs
3) Detect (and work with) more versions of the Outlook/Office com interface
4) Save database right after "Learn from scratch" training
5) Cleaner preflight results display



From Jocelyn.Montjaux at microcell.ca  Wed May 21 09:30:15 2003
From: Jocelyn.Montjaux at microcell.ca (Montjaux, Jocelyn)
Date: Wed May 21 08:34:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Auto-reply to spambayes non-subscribers?
Message-ID: <938DB8735797D511A6CB0008C7A4D20002C2C6A5@SMTLPEXC03.microcell.ca>

> > I suspect Spambayes is going to attract more interest after 
> > Jon Udell's Infoworld article and we're going to continue to 
> > field basic questions such as the one I just replied to.  
> > Would it be possible to set up an auto-reply for 
> > spambayes@python.org which provides an auto-reply to 
> > non-subscribers' messages similar to the webmaster@python.org 
> > auto-reply?  I'll gladly work on the reply text.
> 
> Definitely +1 on the idea.  I think we need to update the webpage to
> note the problems with installing the binary on XP, as well, 
> given that
> the article said that it works fine, when it really doesn't 

I had no problem installing the plugin binary (002) on my Windows XP SP1
with Outlook 2002 SP2. This may be due to the fact that I am local admin but
the typical (corporate) user may not.



From Paul.Moore at atosorigin.com  Wed May 21 14:33:20 2003
From: Paul.Moore at atosorigin.com (Moore, Paul)
Date: Wed May 21 08:34:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Beginners question
Message-ID: <16E1010E4581B049ABC51D4975CEDB88619A88@UKDCX001.uk.int.atosorigin.com>

From: Martin Hepworth [mailto:mph@explor.co.uk]
> I am using the binary distribution of the SpamBayes Outlook Plugin on
> Windows XP with Outlook 2002, SP2. Everything appears to work OK, but I
> have noticed the following behaviour.

Thanks for reporting this! This is a known issue with the current version.
It's already logged at SourceForge as bug 716684 (you can track this at
the URL http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=716684&group_id=61702&atid=498103
if you wish - feel free to add additional information there).

At the moment, no workaround is available, I'm afraid.

Paul Moore

From skip at pobox.com  Wed May 21 08:57:51 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed May 21 09:02:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training via IMAP Filter
In-Reply-To: <3ECB40B3.7000308@olivermaunder.co.uk>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB34CF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<3ECB40B3.7000308@olivermaunder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <16075.30671.26751.320023@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Oliver> Here's why I use IMAP. I read my mail from work, from home (dual
    Oliver> booting Windows and Linux), through a web interface and from my
    Oliver> mobile phone.  With IMAP I get the same view of my mail from
    Oliver> anywhere - all the messages are in the same folders, if I read a
    Oliver> message in one location, it's marked as read everywhere.

That's why God invented the Ti Powerbook. ;-) Mine's beginning to get a bit
scuffed up because I carry it essentially everywhere, but with the exception
of the mobile phone case (why would you want to read mail on such a small
screen?) I can get email essentially anywhere I want.

Skip

From gmino at pcsltd.com  Mon May 19 19:03:25 2003
From: gmino at pcsltd.com (Gabriel Mino)
Date: Wed May 21 09:41:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Announcements?
In-Reply-To: <3261E796E368954CB22963F2B63E8105333EE5@xmail.pcsltd.com>
Message-ID: <3261E796E368954CB22963F2B63E810513772F@xmail.pcsltd.com>


Commercial version? Of an open source project?......i think I'm gonna be sik


-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On
Behalf Of Sean True
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:13 PM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Announcements?

As noted before, I'm working on a commercial version of the Outlook add-in.
I'm wondering whether
I should announce new revisions and availability on this list? Opinions,
please.

-- Sean


_______________________________________________
Spambayes mailing list
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes



From bill at parducci.net  Wed May 21 07:59:10 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Wed May 21 09:59:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training via IMAP Filter
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB34CF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<3ECB40B3.7000308@olivermaunder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3ECB862E.1010203@parducci.net>

Oliver Maunder wrote:
Meyer, Tony wrote:

B> I have wondered why IMAP be addressed directly at all? in my little
B> [shady and deranged] world, the IMAP server is part & parcel with the
B> SMTP server

O> In my world it's a bit different :-)  The IMAP server is on my ISP's 
O> system, not mine, so I haven't got access to sendmail, procmail, etc.

yes, this is the use case i was considering as the most likely to spawn 
this [sub]project. however...

T> Evaluation (and hammiedbs) are already on the client workstations; or at
T> least that was the aim (with imapfilter).

O> But the "client workstations" in this case are not necessarily the same
O> computers that are being used to read the mail.

...this means they are going to have to be for the client centric model 
to work...

O> Here's why I use IMAP. I read my mail from work, from home (dual booting
O> Windows and Linux), through a web interface and from my mobile phone.
O> With IMAP I get the same view of my mail from anywhere - all the
O> messages are in the same folders, if I read a message in one location,
O> it's marked as read everywhere.

...and if you don't have access to the mail server (beyond retrieval) 
you are not going to be able to use this for you webmail client.

O> The alternative is to use POP3 and leave the messages on the server for
O> a certain period of time. But then there's no way of telling which
O> messages I've already read, and which are genuinely new. I would also
O> need to be running pop3proxy in several locations.

O> I can leave imapfilter running on my home PC, and when I check my email
O> at work, it is already filtered. If I check it on my mobile (OK - that
O> does use POP3) all the spam has already been moved from the inbox.

yikes! is a spambot a realistic design constraint? given spambayes need 
to rewrite stuff, i get this uncomfortable feeling that Bad Things may 
happen with multiple systems *manipulating* common mail folders via IMAP.

> So - that's why I use IMAP. I'm not saying it's the best mail protocol 
> around, but it works for me :-)

hey, i'm with you. i am one of those free spirits who have chosen IMAP 
so that i can get mail anywhere (even on my laptop ;-), but it was done 
with an acceptance of the blessing/curse of keeping all information on 
the server. i am not saying that the distributed/spambot won't work 
(although as the covers are pulled back on the IMAP protocol i have my 
doubts :o), but that the implementation of it kinda flies in the face of 
the spirit for which IMAP was designed.

thanks for the clarification. it will be interesting to watch a little 
technical alligator wrestling! :)

b



From DAdams at extremelogic.com  Wed May 21 09:54:45 2003
From: DAdams at extremelogic.com (David Adams)
Date: Wed May 21 10:53:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes project
Message-ID: <DB34C56F4566A14CB916AEF558ABA983067F5F8D@falcon.extremelogic.net>

I hear great things about this program.   I have an e-mail account that
I

use Outlook Express to manage.  Will your software work on this version

of Outlook?

 

Thanks,

 

Dave 

 

 

 

From danm at bigmac.cns.brocku.ca  Wed May 21 10:33:36 2003
From: danm at bigmac.cns.brocku.ca (Daniel Minniti)
Date: Wed May 21 10:53:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Reporting a bug
Message-ID: <000801c31f9d$95136a70$0520398b@danielpzx3bnoy>

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 10, in ?
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 59, in ?
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\gencache.py", line 367, in EnsureModule
pywintypes.com_error: (-2147319779, 'Library not registered.', None, None)
From keith at cyberverse.com  Wed May 21 08:40:06 2003
From: keith at cyberverse.com (keith)
Date: Wed May 21 10:54:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] "enable filtering" stays faded out.
Message-ID: <DJEDKGDKJMINGOKFEKPKEEKHCIAA.keith@cyberverse.com>

I have gone around and around with this program and its instructions several
times and I can't get the "enable filtering" box to check.  It stays faded
out no matter what I do.  And the program never moves any files to the SPAM
folder.
I'd appreciate your help.
This my latest log file:

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\Administrator\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\Administrator\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 0 spam and 0 good messages
Loaded databases in 157.283ms
E:\src\python-cvs\lib\fcntl.py:7: DeprecationWarning: the FCNTL module is
deprecated; please use fcntl
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 318,
in OnInitDialog
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: OnInitDialog() virtual handler (<bound method
FolderSelector.OnInitDialog of <dialogs.FolderSelector.FolderSelector
instance at 0x03367DA0>>) raised an exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 391,
in OnTreeItemSelChanged
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 372,
in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 372,
in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 372,
in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 372,
in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 372,
in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 372,
in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 372,
in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 372,
in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
warning: raising a string exception is deprecated
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 318,
in OnInitDialog
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: OnInitDialog() virtual handler (<bound method
FolderSelector.OnInitDialog of <dialogs.FolderSelector.FolderSelector
instance at 0x03367DA0>>) raised an exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 391,
in OnTreeItemSelChanged
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 372,
in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 372,
in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 372,
in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
warning: raising a string exception is deprecated
Checked 70 in folder ebay/paypal - 70 new entries found.
Checked 3 in folder Friends - 3 new entries found.
Checked 315 in folder Inbox - 315 new entries found.
Checked 55 in folder Sent Items - 55 new entries found.
Checked 32 in folder zz Datek - 22 new entries found.
Checked 0 in folder zz Health - 0 new entries found.
Checked 0 in folder zz Misc - 0 new entries found.
Checked 6 in folder zz Motivation123 - 6 new entries found.
Checked 0 in folder zz Stocks - 0 new entries found.
Checked 0 in folder Top of Personal Folders - 0 new entries found.
Checked 8 in folder SPAM - 8 new entries found.
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
Spam filtering is disabled - ignoring new message
Spam filtering is disabled - ignoring new message
pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 275, in
_Invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 280, in
_invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 342, in OnClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 241, in GetFolder
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 194, in NormalizeID
exceptions.AssertionError: What kind of ID is 'None'?
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
Spam filtering is disabled - ignoring new message
pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 275, in
_Invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 280, in
_invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 342, in OnClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 241, in GetFolder
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 194, in NormalizeID
exceptions.AssertionError: What kind of ID is 'None'?
pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 275, in
_Invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 280, in
_invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 342, in OnClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 241, in GetFolder
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 194, in NormalizeID
exceptions.AssertionError: What kind of ID is 'None'?
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 318,
in OnInitDialog
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: OnInitDialog() virtual handler (<bound method
FolderSelector.OnInitDialog of <dialogs.FolderSelector.FolderSelector
instance at 0x050616E8>>) raised an exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 391,
in OnTreeItemSelChanged
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 372,
in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
warning: raising a string exception is deprecated
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 318,
in OnInitDialog
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: OnInitDialog() virtual handler (<bound method
FolderSelector.OnInitDialog of <dialogs.FolderSelector.FolderSelector
instance at 0x050616E8>>) raised an exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 391,
in OnTreeItemSelChanged
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 372,
in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
warning: raising a string exception is deprecated
Checked 133 in folder ebay/paypal - 0 new entries found.
Checked 3 in folder Friends - 0 new entries found.
Checked 55 in folder Sent Items - 0 new entries found.
Checked 32 in folder zz Datek - 0 new entries found.
Checked 0 in folder zz Health - 0 new entries found.
Checked 0 in folder zz Misc - 0 new entries found.
Checked 6 in folder zz Motivation123 - 0 new entries found.
Checked 0 in folder zz Stocks - 0 new entries found.
Checked 0 in folder Top of Personal Folders - 0 new entries found.
Checked 255 in folder Inbox - 255 new entries found.
Checked 8 in folder SPAM - 0 new entries found.
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 275, in
_Invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 280, in
_invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 342, in OnClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 241, in GetFolder
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 194, in NormalizeID
exceptions.AssertionError: What kind of ID is 'None'?
pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 275, in
_Invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 280, in
_invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 342, in OnClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 241, in GetFolder
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 194, in NormalizeID
exceptions.AssertionError: What kind of ID is 'None'?
pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 275, in
_Invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 280, in
_invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 342, in OnClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 241, in GetFolder
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 194, in NormalizeID
exceptions.AssertionError: What kind of ID is 'None'?
Spam filtering is disabled - ignoring new message
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 318,
in OnInitDialog
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: OnInitDialog() virtual handler (<bound method
FolderSelector.OnInitDialog of <dialogs.FolderSelector.FolderSelector
instance at 0x04E2C760>>) raised an exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 391,
in OnTreeItemSelChanged
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 372,
in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
warning: raising a string exception is deprecated
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 318,
in OnInitDialog
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: OnInitDialog() virtual handler (<bound method
FolderSelector.OnInitDialog of <dialogs.FolderSelector.FolderSelector
instance at 0x03425AD0>>) raised an exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 391,
in OnTreeItemSelChanged
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 372,
in OnTreeItemClick
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
warning: raising a string exception is deprecated
Checked 133 in folder ebay/paypal - 133 new entries found.
Checked 3 in folder Friends - 3 new entries found.
Checked 220 in folder Inbox - 220 new entries found.
Checked 56 in folder Sent Items - 56 new entries found.
Checked 32 in folder zz Datek - 22 new entries found.
Checked 0 in folder zz Health - 0 new entries found.
Checked 0 in folder zz Misc - 0 new entries found.
Checked 6 in folder zz Motivation123 - 6 new entries found.
Checked 0 in folder zz Stocks - 0 new entries found.
Checked 0 in folder Top of Personal Folders - 0 new entries found.
Checked 43 in folder SPAM - 43 new entries found.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 318,
in OnInitDialog
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: OnInitDialog() virtual handler (<bound method
FolderSelector.OnInitDialog of <dialogs.FolderSelector.FolderSelector
instance at 0x04E11B20>>) raised an exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 391,
in OnTreeItemSelChanged
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
warning: raising a string exception is deprecated
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 318,
in OnInitDialog
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: OnInitDialog() virtual handler (<bound method
FolderSelector.OnInitDialog of <dialogs.FolderSelector.FolderSelector
instance at 0x04D84670>>) raised an exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 391,
in OnTreeItemSelChanged
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
warning: raising a string exception is deprecated
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox


From bkc at murkworks.com  Wed May 21 12:14:23 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Wed May 21 10:56:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Collecting word lists.. I have 4 contributions so far
Message-ID: <3ECB5F8E.18223.8466880@localhost>

Hi folks,

I'll wait another day or two to see if anyone else can upload their hashed wordlist.  
Interesting sizes:

7,529,920 popiel-key-hash
7,843,220 key-hash.skip
  485,900 key-hash-ark3
3,969,400 key-hash.wjp

I'll also add that I'm not planning on sharing the hashed data with anyone else, just 
so no one has to worry about me running 'penis' or 'bork bork' through sha to see if 
it's in your word list already. 


And to save you from having to dig in the archives for what I'm looking for and how to 
upload it, here's a passage from a prior message.

Thanks!

> I just ran this:
> 
>     >>> import anydbm
>     >>> import sha
>     >>> db = anydbm.open("hammie.db")
>     >>> f = open("key-hash", "w")
>     >>> for k in db.keys():
>     ...   o = sha.new(k)
>     ...   f.write(o.digest())
>     ... 
>     >>> f.close()
>     >>> db.close()
> 

Okay everyone whose willing to contribute a hashed version of their wordlist, please 
use sha as shown above and I'll compare the hashes.

You can upload via anonymous ftp if you wish to

ftp://ftp.murkworks.com/uploads/spambayes

Note that this is a drop-only location, you won't see the file after you upload it and you 
cannot overwrite a file with the same name, so if you choose to contribute your hash 
"list" via ftp upload, please select a unique name and also send me a message off-
list indicating you've uploaded it.




-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From Jocelyn.Montjaux at microcell.ca  Wed May 21 11:58:51 2003
From: Jocelyn.Montjaux at microcell.ca (Montjaux, Jocelyn)
Date: Wed May 21 11:03:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes project
Message-ID: <938DB8735797D511A6CB0008C7A4D20002C2C6A8@SMTLPEXC03.microcell.ca>

The binary Outlook Plugin is for Outlook 2000+ only.

You can use the POP3 (or IMAP) proxy when using any mail agent (including
Outlook Express). So you will have to do some setup, see
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/applications.html
pop3proxy.py

Dunno if there is a more detailed setup guide...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Adams [mailto:DAdams@extremelogic.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:55 AM
> To: SpamBayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes project
> 
> 
> I hear great things about this program.   I have an e-mail 
> account that
> I
> 
> use Outlook Express to manage.  Will your software work on 
> this version
> 
> of Outlook?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  
> 
> Dave 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> 
> 



From ericbr at oz.net  Wed May 21 10:42:13 2003
From: ericbr at oz.net (Eric Brown)
Date: Wed May 21 12:42:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook addin cloning messages?
Message-ID: <000801c31fb7$eed33080$5264a8c0@ghidorah>

I've just installed the spambayes binary outlook plugin, and it works great
at filtering spam.

Unfortunately, it also apparently leaves extra copies of randomly selected
messages in my inbox.  Sometimes, the outlook rules send the duplicate
messages to the appropriate folders; sometimes the extra copies stay in my
inbox.

I've checked the bug list & mail archives, and I haven't seen anything like
this.

Does this happen for anyone else?

I'm running Outlook XP sp 2, with the version 002 outlook addin.



From DDriver at covercraft.com  Wed May 21 12:27:44 2003
From: DDriver at covercraft.com (Driver, David)
Date: Wed May 21 13:03:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problems registering add in dll
Message-ID: <5B880349CA70D4119B7500D0B74C62D9010F8119@EXCHANGE>

Under the windows installer and running regsvr32 as a domain administrator I
get the following return code 0xc0000005. I would like to try the add in so
any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,
David J. Driver

Covercraft Industries Inc.
100 Enterprise Blvd
Pauls Valley, OK 73075
Phone: 405-238-9651 ex 242

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From LArase at vrinc.com  Wed May 21 10:52:36 2003
From: LArase at vrinc.com (Lisa Arase)
Date: Wed May 21 13:03:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] I love your product!
Message-ID: <DC5A45499298D611AF0100065B3E85A333037E@KHUFU>

Hello,

What are the chances that your product could work on a server level rather
than client?  

We have Exchange 5.5 and use TrendMicro eManager (for NT4) and find it
lacking.  It clears about 1/3 of the spam we get and the spam filter itself
is a manual job.  I'm the one learning about spam and what is and is not
spam.  Unfortunately, those on the road, must download all spam and ham from
the server and it takes forever.  They would rather download only ham not
spam and save some time.  If we could catch the spam before it hits the
inbox, that would really be great!  

Are there any plans for this?

Thanks!

Lisa Arase

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 21 11:04:28 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 21 13:05:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-741250 ] mboxtrain can truncate your
	mailbox
Message-ID: <E19IX0u-0004bu-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #741250, was opened at 2003-05-21 12:04
Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Skip Montanaro (montanaro)
Assigned to: Skip Montanaro (montanaro)
Summary: mboxtrain can truncate your mailbox

Initial Comment:
There is code in mboxtrain to rewrite the mailbox which looks like

    try:
        os.ftruncate(f.fileno(), 0)
        f.seek(0)
    except:
        # If anything goes wrong, don't try to write
        print "Problem truncating mbox--nothing written"
        raise

If the ftruncate() call succeeds but the seek() call fails, the user would
be left with an empty mailbox.  I think the code should write a 
temporary mailbox then rename it only if the complete write
operation is successful.  Furthermore, bare except clauses should
be avoided unless you really can't anticipate all the exceptions 
which might be raised.

No patch yet.  I'll try to come up with something.


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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 21 11:50:53 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 21 13:51:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-741271 ] No icons on toolbar
Message-ID: <E19IXjp-00027W-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #741271, was opened at 2003-05-21 12:50
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tim Selleck (mousecat)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: No icons on toolbar

Initial Comment:
After installing the binary version, I do not have the 
anti-spam dropdown button on my toolbar.  I have 
gone to the com addin and checked the Spambayes 
option but each time I go back to that screen, that 
option is unchecked.  

The first log I have is included in this message.  

Thank you for the help.

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From tim.one at comcast.net  Wed May 21 15:14:23 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Wed May 21 14:16:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] auto reply text
In-Reply-To: <16075.5143.924682.553369@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEFOEKAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

Is it really the case that the binary installer is known to have systematic
problems on XP?  I thought it was Win98 where it routinely didn't work.
Mark should be able to settle this one.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Wed May 21 15:21:29 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Wed May 21 14:24:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Auto-reply to spambayes non-subscribers?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3493@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGEFPEKAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Mark Hammond, suggests

    spambayes-dev: developers (ie, this group now).
    spambayes-users: users and general support queries.
    spambayes-announce: New versions
]

+1 here too.  I'm neutral on the later suggestion of keeping the plain
"spambayes" name for what's called sapbayes-users above.


From bbands at yahoo.com  Wed May 21 12:53:19 2003
From: bbands at yahoo.com (John Bollinger)
Date: Wed May 21 14:53:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SB in CGL
Message-ID: <20030521185319.30177.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com>

The following appeared in volume 16, issue 12 of the
Capital Growth Letter, 16 May 2003.

"Computer Corner

"Spam, how we hate it! “Make ‘em walk the plank.”
“Hang ‘em high!” "Jail 'em!" "There ought to be a
law." Frankly I don’t get what all the furor is about.
Yeah it is inconvenient and all, but legislation that
curtails free speech certainly isn't the answer.
Nonetheless, it seems something must be done about it
and many entities are coming to the fore with
offerings of various types. Yikes, I even get spam
about anti-spam software. Where will it all end?

"In August of 2002 Paul Graham published “A Plan for
SPAM” http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html, an article
that discussed using (pseudo) Bayesian logic to filter
wanted mail, ham, from unwanted mail, spam. That
article hit a nerve and a swirl of development got
underway. Today several commercial products
incorporate those ideas and more are on the way.
However, the most interesting extension is an
open-source project called SpamBayes, SB,
www.spambayes.org. They took Paul Graham’s idea and
ran with it, producing in the end an elegant logical
application in Python--a powerful, high-level computer
language, www.python.org. 

"SB can filter out spam with amazing accuracy. In
order to get it to work one first has to train it,
which is quite simple. Just accumulate a bunch of spam
in one mailbox and a bunch of ham in the other then
tell SB to train. A couple of hundred of each will get
you started, but the more the merrier. SB uses three
mailboxes, one for ham--most likely your inbox, one
for spam and one for items that it is unsure
about--you'll need to create these. After your
finished training and the program is running if you
get a spam in your inbox just drag it to the spam box
and SB learns a bit. Items in the unsure box need to
be dispatched to the inbox or the spambox; again SB
learns when you do so. After a while you'll end up
with a very efficient system for dealing with spam,
without legislation! 

"Mark Hammond has created a nifty SB implementation
for Outlook; you can check it out here,
http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes/. 

"As usual on these projects someone put their shoulder
to the wheel, Tim Peters seems to be the man,
accompanied by a cast of coders, or hackers in the
correct sense to the term. Credits here:
http://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=61702
Enjoy!"

Any errors in the above are mine. Thanks for a great
project. 

     --jab



=====
John Bollinger, CFA, CMT
www.BollingerBands.com

If you advance far enough, you arrive at the beginning.

__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
http://search.yahoo.com

From bill at parducci.net  Wed May 21 13:56:16 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Wed May 21 15:56:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SB in CGL
References: <20030521185319.30177.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3ECBD9E0.4070601@parducci.net>

you know, i have had excellent results taking only binary actions from 
spambayes. if hammiefilter says it is spam, procmail shuffles it to the 
spam folder, otherwise it goes to the inbox. since i would have to sift 
through the unsure folder anyway i don't much care if unsures go to my 
inbox. besides, after a little training that became pretty much a 
non-issue. also, it made the whole process easier to explain to my less 
technical users (if it is in the wrong folder put it in the OTHER one :o)

elegance through versatility, it's a beautiful thing. ;-)

b

John Bollinger wrote:

[...]

> "SB can filter out spam with amazing accuracy. In
> order to get it to work one first has to train it,
> which is quite simple. Just accumulate a bunch of spam
> in one mailbox and a bunch of ham in the other then
> tell SB to train. A couple of hundred of each will get
> you started, but the more the merrier. SB uses three
> mailboxes, one for ham--most likely your inbox, one
> for spam and one for items that it is unsure
> about--you'll need to create these. After your
> finished training and the program is running if you
> get a spam in your inbox just drag it to the spam box
> and SB learns a bit. Items in the unsure box need to
> be dispatched to the inbox or the spambox; again SB
> learns when you do so. After a while you'll end up
> with a very efficient system for dealing with spam,
> without legislation! 

[...]


From g.popa at att.net  Wed May 21 16:48:51 2003
From: g.popa at att.net (Gary Popa)
Date: Wed May 21 16:16:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] install issues
Message-ID: <000001c31fd2$039fbfa0$e4d05d0c@green>

I?ve got Outlook 2002, running Win98SE.  Can?t get Spambayes to load.
Here?s a log file:
 
 
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in
dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in
GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 141, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 182, in
LocateDataDirectory
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\ntpath.py", line 269, in isdir
exceptions.LookupError: no codec search functions registered: can't find
encoding
 
 
From jan at usplus.net  Wed May 21 17:14:37 2003
From: jan at usplus.net (Jan Eugenides)
Date: Wed May 21 16:17:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Add-in Spam Column formatting
Message-ID: <000001c31fd5$9b68d620$0201a8c0@dad>

I'm trying out the Outlook addin, running under XP Pro, using Outlook
2002. The filtering seems to be working just fine. I tried to set up a
"Spam" column to see the percentage scores, but no matter what I do,
they won't show up as a percentage. They insist on showing up as
numbers.This is not that big a deal, but it does seem funny. I tried
deleting the Spam field from the User Defined Fields and recreating it
as Percent, but it just switches back to Number. 
 
 
From thx1138 at kiva.net  Wed May 21 16:36:14 2003
From: thx1138 at kiva.net (nick kearney)
Date: Wed May 21 16:41:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Need help with outlook 2002
Message-ID: <000401c31fd8$a01a48e0$0101a8c0@theseventhsign>

I used the outlook plugin installer and the Delete as spam isn't working
Thanks

 N!K


From tim at fourstonesexpressions.com  Wed May 21 16:48:17 2003
From: tim at fourstonesexpressions.com (Four Stones Expressions)
Date: Wed May 21 16:49:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Platform page?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB34F9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB34F9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <oprpjiqrfrycmiiu@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>

On Wed, 21 May 2003 17:53:23 +1200, Meyer, Tony <T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz> 
wrote:

>> I suspect we should have a platform page on the website with major 
>> categories for Windows, Unix/Linux and Mac, and subcategories for 
>> various email clients.
>
> +1.  Perhaps even a page for each platform, with categories for various
> clients.

+ 1 from me as well.


c'est moi - TimS

From skip at pobox.com  Wed May 21 15:53:02 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed May 21 16:52:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Auto-reply to spambayes non-subscribers?
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGEFPEKAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3493@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGEFPEKAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16075.55582.379219.85454@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tim> [Mark Hammond, suggests
    Tim>     spambayes-dev: developers (ie, this group now).
    Tim>     spambayes-users: users and general support queries.
    Tim>     spambayes-announce: New versions
    Tim> ]

    Tim> +1 here too.  I'm neutral on the later suggestion of keeping the
    Tim> plain "spambayes" name for what's called sapbayes-users above.

If we dump "spambayes" I think we should at least set it up to auto-reply
with the possible choices (hopefully that's an easy thing to do).

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Wed May 21 15:55:32 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed May 21 16:52:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] auto reply text
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEFOEKAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <16075.5143.924682.553369@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEFOEKAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16075.55732.406409.205851@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tim> Is it really the case that the binary installer is known to have
    Tim> systematic problems on XP?  I thought it was Win98 where it
    Tim> routinely didn't work.  Mark should be able to settle this one.

I don't know.  I was under the impression from recent traffic that there was
some XP-related problem with the installer.  The main reason for placing the
file on the website was so people could read and respond.  Those with CVS
access are welcome to make changes as well.

Skip


From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Wed May 21 14:53:00 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Wed May 21 16:53:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Platform page? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Four Stones Expressions
	<tim@fourstonesexpressions.com> of "Wed,
	21 May 2003 15:48:17 CDT."
	<oprpjiqrfrycmiiu@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com> 
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB34F9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<oprpjiqrfrycmiiu@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com> 
Message-ID: <20030521205300.5A65B2DDF2@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <oprpjiqrfrycmiiu@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>
             Four Stones Expressions <tim@fourstonesexpressions.com> writes:
>On Wed, 21 May 2003 17:53:23 +1200, Meyer, Tony <T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz> 
>wrote:
>
>>> I suspect we should have a platform page on the website with major 
>>> categories for Windows, Unix/Linux and Mac, and subcategories for 
>>> various email clients.

+1

>> Perhaps even a page for each platform, with categories for various
>> clients.

+0

- Alex

From zshepherd at alphadatasys.com  Wed May 21 08:44:16 2003
From: zshepherd at alphadatasys.com (D. Zane Shepherd)
Date: Wed May 21 17:25:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <16066.31393.242465.935073@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <NHBBKMJFKEHDANAFHNCKGEFECAAA.zshepherd@alphadatasys.com>

(Redirecting this to the list.  Zane's question is beyond my ability to
help.  Can someone provide him with some feedback?  The traceback suggests
something amiss with the codecs system. -skip)

Skip,

I punted on the OE path and opted for Outlook.  I have downloaded the .exe
install from your website and have attempted to install it.  The
installation appears to complete normally but nothing appeared on the
Outlook Standard Toolbar.  I followed the instructions in the "Addin doesn't
load" section of troubleshooting.  The SpamBayes addin is listed but it will
not retain the check mark in the box after closing the dialog box.  I have
completely uninstalled and reinstalled SpamBayes with the same result.
Attached is the most recent log file.  I don't know what to try next.
Thanks for the help!

Zane Shepherd
Dallas, TX

-----Original Message-----
From: Skip Montanaro [mailto:skip@pobox.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:19 PM
To: D. Zane Shepherd
Cc: SpamBayes@python.org
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Outlook Express



    Zane> Hi!  I learned of your product from an educational and consulting
    Zane> firm in LA known as K2 Enterprises.  They speak very highly of
    Zane> this product.  Is it compatible with Outlook Express?  Thank you
    Zane> in advance for a response.

Not directly.  You should be able to install Python+Spambayes on your system
and use the pop3proxy to train and classify incoming mail though.  You would
then point Outlook Express at the proxy instead of the real POP3 server.

If you use IMAP to retrieve your mail there is an IMAP filter in the works,
though I don't know how ready for prime time it is at this point.

--
Skip Montanaro
skip@pobox.com
http://www.musi-cal.com/
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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 22 10:52:59 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 21 17:54:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] auto reply text
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB35AC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Tim> Is it really the case that the binary installer is known to have
> Tim> systematic problems on XP?  I thought it was Win98 where it
> Tim> routinely didn't work.  Mark should be able to settle this one.
> 
> I don't know.  I was under the impression from recent traffic 
> that there was some XP-related problem with the installer.  
> The main reason for placing the file on the website was so 
> people could read and respond.  Those with CVS access are 
> welcome to make changes as well.

Hint hint :)

I think (especially after reading the latest batch) that there are two
problems, one with Win98 and one with WinXP.  (But yes, Mark could
probably settle this).

The Win98 one seems to be the "invalid codec" trace, while the WinXP one
is the "couldn't import" trace.  I'll update things to reflect this (and
if I'm wrong, Mark can fix it ;)

=Tony Meyer

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed May 21 16:17:04 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed May 21 18:17:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-741271 ] No icons on toolbar
Message-ID: <E19IbtQ-0002rl-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #741271, was opened at 2003-05-22 05:50
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by anadelonbrin
You can respond by visiting: 
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Closed
>Resolution: Duplicate
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tim Selleck (mousecat)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: No icons on toolbar

Initial Comment:
After installing the binary version, I do not have the 
anti-spam dropdown button on my toolbar.  I have 
gone to the com addin and checked the Spambayes 
option but each time I go back to that screen, that 
option is unchecked.  

The first log I have is included in this message.  

Thank you for the help.

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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-22 10:17

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Are you using Windows98?  This is a known problem (which 
I'm pretty sure is limited to Win98).

I'm afraid that there isn't a workaround for it at the moment, 
other than using the CVS (or alpha2?) source (which would 
require installing Python).

See also [ 725449 ] Binary plugin fails on Win9x (which is a 
duplicate of this).

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 22 11:32:14 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 21 18:33:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Need help with outlook 2002
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB35E1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

Hi,

> I used the outlook plugin installer and the Delete as spam 
> isn't working Thanks

Please try going through the processes listed in the
"troubleshooting.html" file.  If you still can't resolve the problem,
then you can submit a bug report (instructions are in that file).

Note that there are two known problems (that will be solved with the
next binary release):
  * With WindowsXP your log may have messages along the lines of "can't
import" or "does not have attribute [skip_word_size]".
  * With Windows98 your log may have a message about an "invalid codec".

Neither of these problems have a workaround at the moment, apart from
installing Python and using the source (either the alpha2 release or
CVS).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 22 11:43:17 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 21 18:44:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] install issues
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB35F1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I've got Outlook 2002, running Win98SE.  Can't get Spambayes 
> to load. Here's a log file:
[...]
>   File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\ntpath.py", line 269, in isdir
> exceptions.LookupError: no codec search functions registered: 
> can't find encoding

Not good news, I'm afraid.  This is a known problem with the installer
that Mark used to create the binary.  He notes in the SF bug that he's
going to try and fix it for the next release; I'm not sure if he has or
not.

The only workaround is to install Python and use the source - alpha2
should work, or CVS definitely will.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 22 11:52:31 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 21 18:53:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes project
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB360A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I hear great things about this program.   I have an e-mail 
> account that I use Outlook Express to manage.  Will your software
> work on this version of Outlook?

The thing is that Outlook Express isn't a version of Outlook, it's a
completely separate program (from the same company).  Because they give
it away for free, OE is a really stripped down program, and it's
extremely difficult to create a plugin for it.

As someone else said, you can use pop3proxy or imapfilter (depending on
whether you use POP3 or IMAP).  Check out the INTEGRATION.TXT file for
instructions.

Pop3proxy/imapfilter aren't quite as 'transparent' as the Outlook
plugin, but they're still quite easy to use/setup, and they use the same
core, so the results will be the same.

=Tony Meyer

From skip at pobox.com  Wed May 21 19:00:49 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed May 21 19:01:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] /.?
In-Reply-To: <20030521185319.30177.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030521185319.30177.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <16076.1313.850777.38242@montanaro.dyndns.org>


I don't mean to look a gift horse in the mouth, but what would we do if we
got slashdotted?  I'll try to get the auto-reply text updated this evening.
Please have a look at

    http://spambayes.sf.net/reply.txt

and give me feedback.  The only feedback I received so far was about the XP
comment.  I'd appreciate some help in the Windows section.  That's clearly
where we are going to get the most hits.

I'm also working on some platform-specific web pages.  I'll try to make
initial versions available on the website this evening without links.  I'll
send URLs out when something's available for review.

Skip


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu May 22 09:57:45 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed May 21 19:02:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] auto reply text
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB35AC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <0d7201c31fec$654e9ea0$530f8490@eden>

> > I don't know.  I was under the impression from recent traffic 
> > that there was some XP-related problem with the installer.  
> > The main reason for placing the file on the website was so 
> > people could read and respond.  Those with CVS access are 
> > welcome to make changes as well.
> 
> Hint hint :)
> 
> I think (especially after reading the latest batch) that there are two
> problems, one with Win98 and one with WinXP.  (But yes, Mark could
> probably settle this).

I don't know either.

The Win9x problem is consistent, and purely related to the installer.

The XP problem is less so.  I have heard of a number of XP related problems;
many, but not all, are related to Outlook XP (as opposed to Outlook 2000
which most of us use).  I have tested, and heard of a few success reports,
of XP with Outlook 2000.  At least one user with Outlook XP has a fully
functioning SpamBayes, except for toolbar buttons.

I just don't know :)

Mark.
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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu May 22 10:03:52 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed May 21 19:05:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook addin cloning messages?
In-Reply-To: <000801c31fb7$eed33080$5264a8c0@ghidorah>
Message-ID: <0d8a01c31fed$416f4fb0$530f8490@eden>

> Unfortunately, it also apparently leaves extra copies of
> randomly selected
> messages in my inbox.  Sometimes, the outlook rules send the duplicate
> messages to the appropriate folders; sometimes the extra
> copies stay in my
> inbox.

I haven't seen anything like this either.  Are your normal rules set "copy"
the item, as opposed to "move" it?  This may be a factor, as I only ever
personally use "move"

Feel free to create a bug report at source-forge - that way any future
details we can dig up will not get lost.

Mark.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 22 12:04:24 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 21 19:05:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] "enable filtering" stays faded out.
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3624@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I have gone around and around with this program and its 
> instructions several times and I can't get the "enable 
> filtering" box to check.  It stays faded out no matter what I 
> do.  And the program never moves any files to the SPAM 
> folder. I'd appreciate your help. This my latest log file:
[...]
> AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
> Spam filtering is disabled - ignoring new message

You can ignore all of the "no module called timer" traces, which leaves
the correct output and the "what kind of ID is None" traces.  No
messages are moved because filtering is disabled.

The "enable filtering" checkbox ought to enable as soon as you have more
than 5 ham and 5 spam (which, from the trace, you did), and you specify
a folder to watch (again, you did).  You also need to specify folders to
which unsures/spam should be moved (can't tell from the trace).  Have
you done that?

If it is faded out, however, a message should be displayed explaining
why it is (you need more messages, or something like that).  What does
it display for you?  (In normal use it would display the number of
trained messages and the folder name(s) that it is watching).

(The problem could be the "ID is None" one, but from the ordering, it
didn't look like it).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 22 12:09:28 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 21 19:10:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] auto reply text
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB362D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I don't know either.

How disappointing ;)

> The Win9x problem is consistent, and purely related to the installer.
> The XP problem is less so.  I have heard of a number of XP 
> related problems; many, but not all, are related to Outlook 
> XP (as opposed to Outlook 2000 which most of us use).  I have 
> tested, and heard of a few success reports, of XP with 
> Outlook 2000.  At least one user with Outlook XP has a fully 
> functioning SpamBayes, except for toolbar buttons.

Is Outlook XP the same as Outlook 2002?  (Stupid Microsoft version
names...)

If it is, then either the problem was somehow fixed in cvs at some
point, or it's also an installer problem.  I'm using both WindowsXP and
Outlook 2002 and have no problems with the cvs code, but the installer
fails for me.

This refers to the (most common, I think) "skip_word_size" trace, which
is what I get.  The other ones ("can't import" etc) look suspiciously
similar, but that might not mean anything, of course.

How easy is it to build a test copy of the installer from the stuff that
you've put in cvs?  (plus the McMillan installer on your website)  If
it's not that tricky I could give it a go and see if the latest cvs code
will install on XP for me.

As for the fully-functioning, but no buttons, go figure ;)

=Tony Meyer 

From David.Bear at asu.edu  Wed May 21 17:13:39 2003
From: David.Bear at asu.edu (David Bear)
Date: Wed May 21 19:14:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Device\Harddisk1\DR? error for me yeah
Message-ID: <20030521161339.G8806@asu.edu>

I've now installed spambayes precompiled outlook plugin on two
machines, both windows 2000 using outlook 2000.  One installed when
flawlessly.  The other...

error ==============================

Event Type:	Information
Event Source:	Application Popup
Event Category:	None
Event ID:	26
Date:		5/21/2003
Time:		3:06:40 PM
User:		N/A
Computer:	PP120181
Description:
Application popup: INSE.tmp - No Disk : There is no disk in the drive.
Please insert a disk into drive \Device\Harddisk1\DR1.

====================================
I tried as an admin on the system.  same thing

error ==============================

Event Type:	Information
Event Source:	Application Popup
Event Category:	None
Event ID:	26
Date:		5/21/2003
Time:		3:07:46 PM
User:		N/A
Computer:	PP120181
Description:
Application popup: INS11.tmp - No Disk : There is no disk in the
drive. Please insert a disk into drive \Device\Harddisk1\DR1.

This system has a zip drive in it.  It was empty when I attempted to
install, so I inserted a disk in the zip drive and tried again. This
time the error popup just mentioned a failure to register ... (sorry
didn't grab the exact error, AND I couldnt find it in the eventlogs
postmortem)

I grabbed a FULL copy of the registry AND a sysInfo printout if Mark
is interested...
-- 
David Bear
phone: 	480-965-8257
fax: 	480-965-9189
College of Public Programs/ASU
Wilson Hall 232
Tempe, AZ 85287-0803
 "Beware the IP portfolio, everyone will be suspect of trespassing"

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu May 22 10:17:36 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed May 21 19:19:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Performance of CVS Outlook addin
Message-ID: <0da201c31fef$2b439500$530f8490@eden>

I recently changed the Outlook addin in CVS to save the database after
*every* training operation, iff you are using a bsddb.

I'm wondering if any people have actually started using this version, and
what their impressions of the speed are?  Personally, it is slower and now I
tend to do all my "Unsure" messages in one hit - ie, select all the ones I
want to "Recover", then do it as one operation.  This results in a single
save.  If I select the "Recover" etc button once per message, we get a save
per message with the resulting slowdown.

Any other impressions?  Should this save code remain in place?

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu May 22 10:35:52 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed May 21 19:37:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Device\Harddisk1\DR? error for me yeah
In-Reply-To: <20030521161339.G8806@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <0dbe01c31ff1$b7f65760$530f8490@eden>

Thanks David,
  We know the reason behind this now (my development HD has the same letter
as your ZIP drive!) but not completely clear on a solution.

If you are able to install Python, then not only will you be able to run the
latest version of the plugin without this error, you will also be able to
help us get to the bottom of it once and for all.

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of David Bear
> Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2003 9:14 AM
> To: spam bayes
> Subject: [Spambayes] Device\Harddisk1\DR? error for me yeah
>
>
> I've now installed spambayes precompiled outlook plugin on two
> machines, both windows 2000 using outlook 2000.  One installed when
> flawlessly.  The other...
>
> error ==============================
>
> Event Type:	Information
> Event Source:	Application Popup
> Event Category:	None
> Event ID:	26
> Date:		5/21/2003
> Time:		3:06:40 PM
> User:		N/A
> Computer:	PP120181
> Description:
> Application popup: INSE.tmp - No Disk : There is no disk in the drive.
> Please insert a disk into drive \Device\Harddisk1\DR1.
>
> ====================================
> I tried as an admin on the system.  same thing
>
> error ==============================
>
> Event Type:	Information
> Event Source:	Application Popup
> Event Category:	None
> Event ID:	26
> Date:		5/21/2003
> Time:		3:07:46 PM
> User:		N/A
> Computer:	PP120181
> Description:
> Application popup: INS11.tmp - No Disk : There is no disk in the
> drive. Please insert a disk into drive \Device\Harddisk1\DR1.
>
> This system has a zip drive in it.  It was empty when I attempted to
> install, so I inserted a disk in the zip drive and tried again. This
> time the error popup just mentioned a failure to register ... (sorry
> didn't grab the exact error, AND I couldnt find it in the eventlogs
> postmortem)
>
> I grabbed a FULL copy of the registry AND a sysInfo printout if Mark
> is interested...
> --
> David Bear
> phone: 	480-965-8257
> fax: 	480-965-9189
> College of Public Programs/ASU
> Wilson Hall 232
> Tempe, AZ 85287-0803
>  "Beware the IP portfolio, everyone will be suspect of trespassing"
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From jchasko at twii.com  Wed May 21 15:28:18 2003
From: jchasko at twii.com (Joe Chasko)
Date: Wed May 21 19:37:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] GREAT program!
Message-ID: <002001c31fdf$e6330fe0$0c01a8c0@JOE>

Finally, a spam solution that's not a pain in the a--! This works
exactly the way I would have tried to make it work, and very well at
that. Nice interface, nice function, no extra work. What can I say? This
is fine programming!

 

I'm using it in Outlook in Windows. It is nicely integrated. I have
unplugged my McAfee Spam killer, which was not integrated, nor smart.
(And I paid $30 for that!)

 

Joe Chasko

TreadWare International Inc.R

 

From jchasko at twii.com  Wed May 21 17:26:04 2003
From: jchasko at twii.com (Joe Chasko)
Date: Wed May 21 19:37:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion for offshoot of Spam Bayes
Message-ID: <004501c31ff0$5ab2b860$0c01a8c0@JOE>

After using your marvelously effective program, I was deleting some of
my Outlook rules for spam. I pondered what a pain it is to use the
"Rules wizard."

 

It occurs to me that routing incoming mail into appropriate boxes is
analogous to routing spam. 

 

Here's a future function: uses the same technology to learn where you
want your mail routed. Just pick a folder of mail, and say I want this
kind of mail here. You'd have to make a whole array of databases like
the spam one, but this seems like the same computation.

 

Joe Chasko

 

From mkl at wra.org  Wed May 21 17:44:50 2003
From: mkl at wra.org (L'Herault, Mitch)
Date: Wed May 21 19:40:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Terrific stuff
Message-ID: <21773946A370B14EA079D03E95F4EF1862B154@WRA_EXCH.wra.org>

I installed on an XP machine using the Outlook plugin.
A little confusing setting it up and getting the filtering running.
No major problems so far with the exception of the spam field reports the
wrong percentage sometimes.
When I open the 'show spam clues for current message' that data seems
correct, but a message that is totally spam, and actually shows up the the
spam folder with a 96 or 97 percent will report 0% in the spaminess field.

Other than that it's looking good.



**********************************************************************
Mitch L'Herault
Network Administrator
Wisconsin REALTORS Association
4801 Forest Run Road
Madison, WI     53704
(608) 241-2047

From anthony at interlink.com.au  Thu May 22 11:43:10 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Wed May 21 20:44:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Auto-reply to spambayes non-subscribers? 
In-Reply-To: <16075.55582.379219.85454@montanaro.dyndns.org> 
Message-ID: <200305220043.h4M0hAL23739@localhost.localdomain>



>     Tim> +1 here too.  I'm neutral on the later suggestion of keeping the
>     Tim> plain "spambayes" name for what's called sapbayes-users above.
> 
> If we dump "spambayes" I think we should at least set it up to auto-reply
> with the possible choices (hopefully that's an easy thing to do).

The alternative is that we keep it as an alias for "the maintainers",
and it goes to spambayes-dev. That way we can keep the whole simple
'spambayes@python.org' alias...

Anthony

From anthony at interlink.com.au  Thu May 22 11:48:00 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Wed May 21 20:48:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion for offshoot of Spam Bayes 
In-Reply-To: <004501c31ff0$5ab2b860$0c01a8c0@JOE> 
Message-ID: <200305220048.h4M0m0m23791@localhost.localdomain>


>>> "Joe Chasko" wrote
> It occurs to me that routing incoming mail into appropriate boxes is
> analogous to routing spam. 
>
> Here's a future function: uses the same technology to learn where you
> want your mail routed. Just pick a folder of mail, and say I want this
> kind of mail here. You'd have to make a whole array of databases like
> the spam one, but this seems like the same computation.

Look at ifile -- http://www.nongnu.org/ifile/


Anthony


From tim.one at comcast.net  Wed May 21 21:58:04 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Wed May 21 21:00:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] /.?
In-Reply-To: <16076.1313.850777.38242@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEACEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Skip]
> I don't mean to look a gift horse in the mouth, but what would we do
> if we got slashdotted?

Vanish into the night with our massive profits <wink>.

> I'll try to get the auto-reply text updated this evening. Please have
> a look at
>
>     http://spambayes.sf.net/reply.txt
>
> and give me feedback.  The only feedback I received so far was about
> the XP comment.  I'd appreciate some help in the Windows section. 
> That's clearly where we are going to get the most hits.

First off, I think we need a "Windows section", labeled as such.

Text with blanks for community fill-in:

"""
The Outlook add-in was developed mostly using Outlook 2000 on Windows
2000 and Win98SE, in Outlook's Internet Mail Only configuration, and
not using Exchange Server.  Those combinations are the best tested, and
problems with other combinations are known.  If you have a problem, the
best way to help make progress is to look for a similar existing bug
report and add any useful information you may have, or to open a new bug
report if your problem seems to be a new one.  XXX point to bug tracker

Outlook Express:  The add-in does not work with Outlook Express.
Despite its name, Outlook Express has little in common with Outlook,
and doesn't expose programming interfaces rich enough for the add-in
to use.  You can use the POP3 proxy approach with Outlook Express
instead.  XXX point to something

Windows 95:  XXX I haven't seen any reports.

Win98SE:  The binary installer doesn't currently work on Win98SE.  The
add-in works fine on Win98 with Outlook 2000 if installed manually,
though.   XXX point to something

Windows ME:  XXX I haven't seen any reports.

Windows NT:  XXX I haven't seen any reports.

Outlook 98, Outlook 2002, and/or Windows XP:  There are mixed reports
about these.  Some people have trouble installing, others report problems
with the toolbar buttons, still others report problems with setting up a
spam score column in a custom view.  These are poorly understood by
the developers so far.  Because the source code for Outlook is secret,
making progress on these is difficult.
"""

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 22 14:15:24 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 21 21:16:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion for offshoot of Spam Bayes 
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB36D1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Look at ifile -- http://www.nongnu.org/ifile/

And also popfile -- http://sourceforge.net/projects/popfile

There was also a guy at the spam conference from France (?) that had
some similar system, IIRC.  I think the webcasts are still there
(http://spamconference.org).

=Tony Meyer

From skip at pobox.com  Wed May 21 21:18:30 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed May 21 21:19:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Performance of CVS Outlook addin
In-Reply-To: <0da201c31fef$2b439500$530f8490@eden>
References: <0da201c31fef$2b439500$530f8490@eden>
Message-ID: <16076.9574.808281.194611@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Mark> I recently changed the Outlook addin in CVS to save the database
    Mark> after *every* training operation, iff you are using a bsddb.

Why do you need to do this?

Skip

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 22 14:20:11 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 21 21:21:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Performance of CVS Outlook addin
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB36D7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I recently changed the Outlook addin in CVS to save the database after
> *every* training operation, iff you are using a bsddb.
[...]
> I'm wondering if any people have actually started using this 
> version, and what their impressions of the speed are?  
[...]
> Any other impressions?  Should this save code remain in place?

I don't notice this at all.  However, I don't do much training.  Most of
what ends up in my unsures is stuff I'm unsure about myself (e.g. things
I signed up for but am not really interested in).  When I do train,
though, I don't notice any delay.

So my vote would be to stay in place (my system does crash a lot, thanks
to XP and some dogdy webcam drivers, so I probably did lose training
previously; not that there was much of it).

=Tony Meyer

From seant at iname.com  Wed May 21 22:21:41 2003
From: seant at iname.com (Sean True)
Date: Wed May 21 21:22:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] OS vs Outlook version issues.
In-Reply-To: <E19Icb5-0004mh-02@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <MJEHLHJKGINLONDMMKNECEANLCAA.seant@iname.com>

Mark Hammond wrote:

>The Win9x problem is consistent, and purely related to the installer.

>The XP problem is less so.  I have heard of a number of XP related
problems;
>many, but not all, are related to Outlook XP (as opposed to Outlook 2000
>which most of us use).  I have tested, and heard of a few success reports,
>of XP with Outlook 2000.  At least one user with Outlook XP has a fully
>functioning SpamBayes, except for toolbar buttons.

>I just don't know :)

>Mark.

We are doing VMWare testing for 98,ME,NT4,2000,XP, and XP Pro against
Outlook 2000/2002/XP.
So far all the platforms (clean install of OS and Outlook) actually seem to
work.
We do heavy testing on Outlook 2000/20002 on Windows XP and XP Pro. They
both work fine,
but toolbar image buttons are problematic on 20002. There is a known bug
described on MSDN and
at some point we'll try the five listed work arounds and see if one works.

We got past some install problems through endless tinkering with the build
process. Wish I knew
which tinker fixed what. I do know that moving the build env to stock Python
2.2.2, and forcing the
binary to use a good bsddb3 was a good thing.

All of our work is off a snapshot current at 4/23/2003 in CVS.

-- Sean


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu May 22 12:22:31 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed May 21 21:23:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Announcements?
In-Reply-To: <3261E796E368954CB22963F2B63E810513772F@xmail.pcsltd.com>
Message-ID: <0e1f01c32000$9f88fe30$530f8490@eden>

[Gabriel]
> Commercial version? Of an open source project?......i think
> I'm gonna be sik

Why?  Obviously, if someone is going to make a commercial version of an open
source product, they will need to add some value (otherwise, why would
anyone use the commercial one over the free one).  So good luck to them!

I see no difference to someone extending our Open Source code to produce a
commercial product than someone creating a commercial product using an open
source language (like Python).

Heck - if creating commercial apps out of Open Source products was not a
good thing, I wouldn't be anywhere near Python, SpamBayes, or any other open
source project - I need to get paid for at least some of my time, and at
this stage, almost all of my income is derived indirectly from Open Source
products.

I hope you make a million, Sean ;)

Mark.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 22 14:23:54 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 21 21:25:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Terrific stuff
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB36DB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I installed on an XP machine using the Outlook plugin.

Out of curiosity, what version of Outlook are you using?  (many people
have reported problems using the binary with Outlook XP/2002).

> A little confusing setting it up and getting the filtering 
> running. No major problems so far with the exception of the 
> spam field reports the wrong percentage sometimes.

This has been reported before.  I recall someone mentioning that an
additional save call fixes it, but I'm not sure if Mark ended up doing
anything about it.  If it bothers you, feel free to post a bug on SF
about it (http://sf.net/projects/spambayes), (add to an existing one if
there is one).

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu May 22 12:26:29 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed May 21 21:27:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Performance of CVS Outlook addin
In-Reply-To: <16076.9574.808281.194611@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <0e2001c32001$2c0d9690$530f8490@eden>


>     Mark> I recently changed the Outlook addin in CVS to save the database
>     Mark> after *every* training operation, iff you are using a bsddb.
> Why do you need to do this?

I didn't *need* to, but when Outlook crashes, all training information since
the last startup was lost.  While this doesn't seem a big deal, it did cause
some confusion - as mail that scores "correctly" this session (but to
previous trains in this session) will suddenly revert back to the pre-tained
knowledge.

The fact I don't need to is why I am able to revert it back, should there be
complaints.

Mark.


From drha at pacbell.net  Wed May 21 19:16:47 2003
From: drha at pacbell.net (David Howard)
Date: Wed May 21 21:30:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installer fails on Outlook 2000 SR-1
Message-ID: <FEEBLBFFKHJCAOEBFJGECEKCEBAA.drha@pacbell.net>

windows ME

Buttons fail to appear
Spam bytes appears unchecked in com add-ins
Will not accept checking

"Failed to call the universal dispatcher"

"no codec search funtions registered: can't find encoding"
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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 22 14:30:59 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 21 21:32:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes: Bug: Outlook 2003 BETA 2
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB36EA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Installed the Spambayes Outlook add-in but it does not work. 
> I am running Outlook 2003 BETA 2 which I think is probably 
> the problem. It does list in the COM Addin list. Trying to 
> remove it though actually crashes Outlook. No toolbar appears.

I'm pretty sure that no-one has done any 2003 testing.  If you want to
assist, you could install Python, use the latest CVS source, and let us
know what the traceback says; who knows, maybe it's something simple to
solve :)

I gather than Sean has done some 2003 testing for the commercial
version, and that things aren't quite that simple (since it's listed as
unsupported).

If you're using Outlook with POP/IMAP, you could still use pop3proxy or
imapfilter (although you don't get the nice integration, and it wouldn't
work with exchange).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 22 14:33:06 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Wed May 21 21:34:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installer fails on Outlook 2000 SR-1
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB36ED@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> windows ME
[...]
> "Failed to call the universal dispatcher"
> "no codec search funtions registered: can't find encoding"

This looks like the same problem as with Windows98.  Assuming that it
is, it's caused by a problem with the installer, and there's only two
options available:
  * Wait for the next binary release, which should fix this.  (probably
in the next couple of weeks)
  * Install Python and use a source release (alpha2 or CVS).

=Tony Meyer

From tim.one at comcast.net  Wed May 21 23:03:45 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Wed May 21 22:05:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Performance of CVS Outlook addin
In-Reply-To: <0da201c31fef$2b439500$530f8490@eden>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGEAIEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Mark Hammond]
> I recently changed the Outlook addin in CVS to save the database after
> *every* training operation, iff you are using a bsddb.
>
> I'm wondering if any people have actually started using this version,
> and what their impressions of the speed are?  Personally, it is
> slower and now I tend to do all my "Unsure" messages in one hit - ie,
> select all the ones I want to "Recover", then do it as one operation.
> This results in a single save.  If I select the "Recover" etc button
> once per message, we get a save per message with the resulting
> slowdown.
>
> Any other impressions?  Should this save code remain in place?

I'm using current CVS but not bsddb, and my dict-based database isn't even
near 2MB yet, so I'm not much help.  What is the slowdown proportional to,
roughly?  To the number of tokens in the message just trained on, or (as it
would be in the case of a dict) the number of tokens in the database?  I was
sure hoping that under "a real" database, "# of tokens in the msg" would be
the answer, *and* that updating a few hundred token records would go too
fast to notice.  If the latter isn't so, Barry knows many tricks to tune
bsddb3 for performance -- but I'm not sure any of them don't require
exploiting multiple disk drives <0.8 wink>.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu May 22 13:17:04 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed May 21 22:18:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Performance of CVS Outlook addin
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGEAIEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0e5a01c32008$3d20e8e0$530f8490@eden>

{Tim]
> near 2MB yet, so I'm not much help.  What is the slowdown
> proportional to,
> roughly?  To the number of tokens in the message just trained
> on, or (as it
> would be in the case of a dict) the number of tokens in the
> database?  I was
> sure hoping that under "a real" database, "# of tokens in the
> msg" would be
> the answer, *and* that updating a few hundred token records
> would go too
> fast to notice.

Me too :)  It certainly is proportional to the number of tokens, but I also
suspect it depends on the "layout" of the DB.  I have never seen an
incremental save take longer than 1 second on my (fairly fast CPU, average
disks) machine - but 1 second is borderline too slow.  My DB is currently
5MB.

Certainly saving the database after a complete retrain takes nearly a
minute.  I was going to look at removing all hapaxes after a complete
retrain to try and speed that one up too (as I recall a report here that a
huge number of the tokens were hapaxes - I am yet to confirm that with my
database)

Mark.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Thu May 22 00:22:11 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Wed May 21 23:23:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Performance of CVS Outlook addin
In-Reply-To: <0e5a01c32008$3d20e8e0$530f8490@eden>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEAOEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Mark Hammond]
> Me too :)  It certainly is proportional to the number of tokens, but
> I also suspect it depends on the "layout" of the DB.  I have never
> seen an incremental save take longer than 1 second on my (fairly fast
> CPU, average disks) machine - but 1 second is borderline too slow.
> My DB is currently 5MB.

I'm sorry to say I don't have enough experience with bsddb3 to say.

> Certainly saving the database after a complete retrain takes nearly a
> minute.  I was going to look at removing all hapaxes after a complete
> retrain to try and speed that one up too (as I recall a report here
> that a huge number of the tokens were hapaxes - I am yet to confirm
> that with my database)

Fraught with danger -- hapaxes don't seem important when training on a large
random sample, but they Rule when falling into mistake-based training
(which, I confess, is all I ever do anymore -- that's why my dict db barely
cracks 1.5MB).  More principled may be to purge tokens with spamprobs in
(0.4, 0.6), since they're ignored during scoring anyway.

Note that, since this week's tokenizer changes, crap like this no longer
produces garbage hapaxes:

  W<ktzb0yuq1b>ith N<kz8y5k82i1b>o Sid<kpg7jca38cytp8>e Ef<k09y725in>fects

Of course this change makes all prior reports about hapax distribution
suspect!


From tim.one at comcast.net  Thu May 22 00:36:40 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Wed May 21 23:37:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes error
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB34C0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIEBAEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Tim]
>> Who's cheating <wink -- but if a client is going thru Classifier's
>> learn() and unlearn() interfaces, it's easy to show that
>> hamcount <= nham is a global invariant>?

[Meyer, Tony]
> It really is bizarre.  It must surely be introduced when reading or
> writing the db.  I also have my suspicions about the classifier.py
> lines that "account for string" ham/spam counts - they should always
> be ints, and never strings, and I think it's hiding a different
> problem.

Yes, I objected to that change at the time, but couldn't make time to pursue
it then.  That was another problem I had never seen, and I don't think
anyone else did either before some non-dict database got hooked up.

> (I've changed this in my local copy, but since I don't come
> across the error, I don't think it will help).

So let's rip it out -- someone for whom it does fail then can surely be
shamed into fixing it for real, or at least into posting a traceback.  Could
be it's related to the assertion failing too.


From seant at iname.com  Thu May 22 00:54:56 2003
From: seant at iname.com (Sean True)
Date: Wed May 21 23:55:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Announcements?
In-Reply-To: <0e1f01c32000$9f88fe30$530f8490@eden>
Message-ID: <MJEHLHJKGINLONDMMKNECEBELCAA.seant@iname.com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au]
....
>
> Heck - if creating commercial apps out of Open Source products was not a
> good thing, I wouldn't be anywhere near Python, SpamBayes, or any
> other open
> source project - I need to get paid for at least some of my time, and at
> this stage, almost all of my income is derived indirectly from Open Source
> products.
>
> I hope you make a million, Sean ;)
>
> Mark.
>

Thanks, Mark.

If I do, I'm gonna throw one hell of a party, and you're invited!

-- Sean


From seant at iname.com  Thu May 22 01:01:20 2003
From: seant at iname.com (Sean True)
Date: Thu May 22 00:02:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Spambayes Digest, Vol 57, Issue 58
In-Reply-To: <E19IeyS-00007K-01@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <MJEHLHJKGINLONDMMKNEMEBELCAA.seant@iname.com>

>I gather than Sean has done some 2003 testing for the commercial
>version, and that things aren't quite that simple (since it's listed as
>unsupported).

I did, and it wasn't fun. Basically, no events are delivered to the event
handlers.
There are some really dire warnings about keeping all items you want events
from
in scope at all times. Sounds easy enough ...

>> windows ME
>[...]
>> "Failed to call the universal dispatcher"
>> "no codec search funtions registered: can't find encoding"

>This looks like the same problem as with Windows98.  Assuming that it
>is, it's caused by a problem with the installer, and there's only two
>options available:
>  * Wait for the next binary release, which should fix this.  (probably
>in the next couple of weeks)
>  * Install Python and use a source release (alpha2 or CVS).

Or install the beta of the "commercial version", and switch back as soon as
Mark releases the
new binaries. We've tested ME, and the install seems to work fine. YMMV,
that's why they call it beta
testing!

We're trying hard to keep the core data files (config and .db) compatible
between the versions. You might lose sugar (UI, etc) when you switch back,
but you should not lose training.

-- Sean


From tim_one at email.msn.com  Thu May 22 01:09:47 2003
From: tim_one at email.msn.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu May 22 00:10:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Announcements?
In-Reply-To: <MJEHLHJKGINLONDMMKNECEBELCAA.seant@iname.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEHBEKAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>

[Mark Hammond]
>> ...
>> I hope you make a million, Sean ;)

[Sean True]
> Thanks, Mark.
>
> If I do, I'm gonna throw one hell of a party, and you're invited!

A million isn't enough for a good party if I'm invited too -- better to
donate half of it to the PSF, and the other half to Microsoft <wink>.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu May 22 15:14:10 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu May 22 00:15:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Announcements?
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEHBEKAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>
Message-ID: <0ebd01c32018$9946e510$530f8490@eden>

[Tim]
...
> [Mark Hammond]
> >> ...
> >> I hope you make a million, Sean ;)
>
> [Sean True]
> > Thanks, Mark.
> >
> > If I do, I'm gonna throw one hell of a party, and you're invited!
>
> A million isn't enough for a good party if I'm invited too --

That is why you aren't!  Even though we have never met personally, Sean
knows me well enough to know that the first million should just be able to
fund a party for me.  As he knows you that much better, he also knows that
it will have to be 10 million before you get an invite!

Ciggies-aren't-cheap-these-days ly,

Mark.


From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Wed May 21 22:20:19 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Thu May 22 00:20:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Announcements? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Mark Hammond" <mhammond@skippinet.com.au> of "Thu,
	22 May 2003 14:14:10 +1000." <0ebd01c32018$9946e510$530f8490@eden> 
References: <0ebd01c32018$9946e510$530f8490@eden> 
Message-ID: <20030522042019.966F32DDF2@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <0ebd01c32018$9946e510$530f8490@eden>
             "Mark Hammond" <mhammond@skippinet.com.au> writes:
>[Tim]
>...
>> [Mark Hammond]
>> >> ...
>> >> I hope you make a million, Sean ;)

Thirded.  (I'm sure someone else seconded already.)

>> [Sean True]
>> > Thanks, Mark.
>> >
>> > If I do, I'm gonna throw one hell of a party, and you're invited!
>>
>> A million isn't enough for a good party if I'm invited too --
>
>That is why you aren't!  Even though we have never met personally, Sean
>knows me well enough to know that the first million should just be able to
>fund a party for me.  As he knows you that much better, he also knows that
>it will have to be 10 million before you get an invite!
>
>Ciggies-aren't-cheap-these-days ly,
>
>Mark.

Geez, some people have expensive habits.  I'm sure that my taste
for single malt wouldn't run to more than a few tens of thousand... ;-)

- Alex

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 22 18:17:54 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May 22 01:19:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes error
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB381E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Tony Meyer]
> > I also have my suspicions about the classifier.py 
> > lines that "account for string" ham/spam counts

[Tim Peters]
> Yes, I objected to that change at the time, but couldn't make 
> time to pursue it then.  That was another problem I had never 
> seen, and I don't think anyone else did either before some 
> non-dict database got hooked up.
[...]
> So let's rip it out -- someone for whom it does fail then can 
> surely be shamed into fixing it for real, or at least into 
> posting a traceback.  Could be it's related to the assertion 
> failing too.

Ok then, I'll commit this, and we can wait for the complaints from the
people who have the problem and didn't even know :)

=Tony Meyer

From mylene.reiners at logicacmg.com  Thu May 22 09:01:41 2003
From: mylene.reiners at logicacmg.com (Mylene Reiners)
Date: Thu May 22 02:03:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Unable to register the DLL/OCX - Win2000,
	Outlook2000 SR1
Message-ID: <B569A4D2254ED2119FE500104BC1D5CD031DD3A1@NL-EIN-MAIL01>

Hi,

I had Spambayes Outlook Addin installed (using
SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-002.exe), but this morning the buttons didn't show
up, and no log-file :( .
So I tried to check the checkbox in the Tools etc. COM -Addin form, but that
failed (when I looked again, it was unchecked). Restarted the notebook,
tried again, but no help.

Then I uninstalled Sp.OA, and reinstalled it (or tried to), but I always get
the message 

C:\applications\Spambayes Outlook Addin\spambayes_addin.dll
Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; code 0x00000000.
Click Retry tor try again, ignore to proceed anyway (not recommended), or
Abort to cancel installation.

None of those commands helps :(

I also deleted the registry keys, but that too didn't help
Checked part of the mailinglist and bugs, but found no clue

Any ideas?

Myl?ne 
 

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Thu May 22 20:25:11 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May 22 03:26:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Collecting word lists.. I have 4 contributions so far
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3834@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> And to save you from having to dig in the archives for what 
> I'm looking for and how to 
> upload it, here's a passage from a prior message.
[...]
> >     >>> import anydbm
> >     >>> import sha
> >     >>> db = anydbm.open("hammie.db")
[...]

This is probably obvious to many people, but it wasn't to me, so in case
anyone else is having trouble:

If you are using bsddb3 this won't work.  Import bsddb3 instead, and use
bsddb3.hashopen() instead of anydbm.open().  Presumably those with
pickles should do the normal pickle load thing.

=Tony Meyer

From Paul.Moore at atosorigin.com  Thu May 22 13:58:23 2003
From: Paul.Moore at atosorigin.com (Moore, Paul)
Date: Thu May 22 07:58:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Experimental Ham/Spam imbalance setting
Message-ID: <16E1010E4581B049ABC51D4975CEDB88619A8B@UKDCX001.uk.int.atosorigin.com>

I have a friend who is using the POP3 proxy for his mail. He has a
10:1 spam:ham imbalance, and he's found that he gets quite a high
proportion of unsures (from 200 or so mails a day, over 75% of which
are spam). His DB contains about 1300 spam and 150 spam. In addition
to the unsure rate being high, he's finding that training on the
unsures isn't helping. I suspect that this is because the Ham/Spam
imbalance setting means that training one unsure as spam has little
effect (10% of the effect it'd have on a balanced DB?). Am I right in
thinking that pop3proxy has this parameter set to true? I know it is
for the Outlook plugin (which I use, but I have a fairly balanced DB
these days).

Is there any good view on whether the setting is a good thing yet?
My feeling is that the higher proportion of unsures, plus the
unresponsiveness to training, makes it an overall loss. I got the same
qualitative results myself when my DB was badly unbalanced - that's
why I made the effort to make and keep my DB balanced. But I have no
corresponding feel for the real-life results with the parameter *not*
set.

My friend has now purged his database and is starting from scratch,
to try to improve his results. I mentioned the setting, but as it's
a config file edit, rather than a button in the UI, he didn't feel
comfortable changing it (and AIUI, he'd need to retrain as well - is
that right?)

Maybe the option should be exposed in the UI (but that may not be
sensible if changing it *does* require a retrain). If it is, then the
help could explain that this option is only relevant if your database
has unequal numbers of ham and spam, and what the disadvantages of
each setting are (option set = more unsures, less responsive to
training; option unset = ???)

If the option isn't exposed, I'd vote for taking it out. We're not
getting any useful new feedback that I'm aware of.

Paul.

From matos at attbi.com  Thu May 22 09:35:48 2003
From: matos at attbi.com (David Matos)
Date: Thu May 22 08:36:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Confirming (mostly) painless setup with XP Pro and
	Outlook XP
In-Reply-To: <E19IjG2-0007o8-01@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <000701c3205e$acb73b90$8d80b042@dexter>

In a recent message I think someone mentioned that no one (or almost no
one?) had reported successful use of the Outlook plugin with WinXP (Pro) and
Outlook XP (2002). If so, I'd like to confirm that the plugin installed
absolutely flawlessly on my PC running the above software. It's been working
fine now for about 1-2 months. I wish all the software I actually paid for
worked this well.

Kudos for an outstanding piece of software!

--Dave Matos


From mhallerm at optonline.net  Thu May 22 10:11:24 2003
From: mhallerm at optonline.net (Mark A. Hallerman)
Date: Thu May 22 09:12:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Confirming (mostly) painless setup with XP Pro and
	Outlook XP
In-Reply-To: <000701c3205e$acb73b90$8d80b042@dexter>
Message-ID: <012501c32063$a615e610$6701a8c0@terrier>

I just installed yesterday on XP Pro, Outlook XP and all went fine -
everything seems to be working flawlessly.

Regards,
Mark.

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces+mhallerm=optonline.net@python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces+mhallerm=optonline.net@python.org] On Behalf
Of David Matos
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:36 AM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Confirming (mostly) painless setup with XP Pro and
Outlook XP


In a recent message I think someone mentioned that no one (or almost no
one?) had reported successful use of the Outlook plugin with WinXP (Pro)
and Outlook XP (2002). If so, I'd like to confirm that the plugin
installed absolutely flawlessly on my PC running the above software.
It's been working fine now for about 1-2 months. I wish all the software
I actually paid for worked this well.

Kudos for an outstanding piece of software!

--Dave Matos


_______________________________________________
Spambayes mailing list
Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From Ben.Marshall at swinc.com  Thu May 22 10:09:06 2003
From: Ben.Marshall at swinc.com (Marshall, Ben)
Date: Thu May 22 10:18:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Quick Question
Message-ID: <4836C7598D2C5F448B888393437FBC0601083A12@moose.austin.swinc.com>

Will the spambayes work with outlook 11?

 

Thanks,

 

Ben

From bill at parducci.net  Thu May 22 08:30:49 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Thu May 22 10:47:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] /.?
References: <20030521185319.30177.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com>
	<16076.1313.850777.38242@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <3ECCDF19.8030903@parducci.net>

would something like this help?

http://parducci.net/spambayesQA.html

i can clean it up, but for now i just grabbed a few of the latest 
support questions/answers for posterity.  i can continue to do so if 
others think it will help slow the postings. (i can e-mail updates to 
someone with access to the site if that works...)

b

Skip Montanaro wrote:
> I don't mean to look a gift horse in the mouth, but what would we do if we
> got slashdotted?  I'll try to get the auto-reply text updated this evening.
> Please have a look at
> 
>     http://spambayes.sf.net/reply.txt
> 
> and give me feedback.  The only feedback I received so far was about the XP
> comment.  I'd appreciate some help in the Windows section.  That's clearly
> where we are going to get the most hits.
> 
> I'm also working on some platform-specific web pages.  I'll try to make
> initial versions available on the website this evening without links.  I'll
> send URLs out when something's available for review.
> 
> Skip
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes



From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 22 10:30:52 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu May 22 10:47:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Performance of CVS Outlook addin
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEAOEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <0e5a01c32008$3d20e8e0$530f8490@eden>
	<LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEAOEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16076.57116.463778.84092@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tim> Note that, since this week's tokenizer changes, crap like this no
    Tim> longer produces garbage hapaxes:

    Tim>   W<ktzb0yuq1b>ith N<kz8y5k82i1b>o Sid<kpg7jca38cytp8>e Ef<k09y725in>fects

    Tim> Of course this change makes all prior reports about hapax
    Tim> distribution suspect!

It may also make Brad's hash string collection suspect.  I haven't cvs up'd
in quite awhile, so I am not yet taking advantage of your recent tokenizer
changes.  Others who reported data to Brad may be.  Brad, what sort of input
do you want, pre-change or post-change?

Skip

From bkc at murkworks.com  Thu May 22 12:14:12 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Thu May 22 10:55:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Performance of CVS Outlook addin
In-Reply-To: <16076.57116.463778.84092@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEAOEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3ECCB103.12627.D6C93BB@localhost>

On 22 May 2003 at 9:30, Skip Montanaro wrote:

> It may also make Brad's hash string collection suspect.  I haven't cvs up'd
> in quite awhile, so I am not yet taking advantage of your recent tokenizer
> changes.  Others who reported data to Brad may be.  Brad, what sort of
> input do you want, pre-change or post-change?

I don't think you can 'post correct' the hapaxes you already have in your wordlist, so 
unless you're willing to start with an empty database I don't think there's anything you 
can do about this.

--

I now have 8 "personal" contributions and 10 usable "test" contributions and two 
zero-length test contributions.

I'm going to start playing with "the numbers" and see what falls out. First, I need to 
get out my "data analysis" book and try to determine what I'm looking for in an MxM 
matrix display.. 

-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 22 11:01:13 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu May 22 11:01:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Confirming (mostly) painless setup with XP Pro and
	Outlook XP
In-Reply-To: <000701c3205e$acb73b90$8d80b042@dexter>
References: <E19IjG2-0007o8-01@mail.python.org>
	<000701c3205e$acb73b90$8d80b042@dexter>
Message-ID: <16076.58937.10903.54331@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Dave> In a recent message I think someone mentioned that no one (or
    Dave> almost no one?) had reported successful use of the Outlook plugin
    Dave> with WinXP (Pro) and Outlook XP (2002). If so, I'd like to confirm
    Dave> that the plugin installed absolutely flawlessly on my PC running
    Dave> the above software. It's been working fine now for about 1-2
    Dave> months. I wish all the software I actually paid for worked this
    Dave> well.

Dave,

Did you install the plugin using Mark's installer or install from source?

Thx,

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 22 11:07:40 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu May 22 11:07:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Performance of CVS Outlook addin
In-Reply-To: <3ECCB103.12627.D6C93BB@localhost>
References: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEAOEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
	<3ECCB103.12627.D6C93BB@localhost>
Message-ID: <16076.59324.169936.406221@montanaro.dyndns.org>

    >> It may also make Brad's hash string collection suspect.  I haven't
    >> cvs up'd in quite awhile, so I am not yet taking advantage of your
    >> recent tokenizer changes.  Others who reported data to Brad may be.
    >> Brad, what sort of input do you want, pre-change or post-change?

    Brad> I don't think you can 'post correct' the hapaxes you already have
    Brad> in your wordlist, so unless you're willing to start with an empty
    Brad> database I don't think there's anything you can do about this.

I can, but only because I keep all my training inputs.

Skip

From Jocelyn.Montjaux at microcell.ca  Thu May 22 12:05:19 2003
From: Jocelyn.Montjaux at microcell.ca (Montjaux, Jocelyn)
Date: Thu May 22 11:09:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Confirming (mostly) painless setup with XP Pro an
	d Outlook XP
Message-ID: <938DB8735797D511A6CB0008C7A4D20002C2C6AC@SMTLPEXC03.microcell.ca>

>     Dave> In a recent message I think someone mentioned that 
> no one (or
>     Dave> almost no one?) had reported successful use of the 
> Outlook plugin
>     Dave> with WinXP (Pro) and Outlook XP (2002). If so, I'd 
> like to confirm
>     Dave> that the plugin installed absolutely flawlessly on 
> my PC running
>     Dave> the above software. It's been working fine now for about 1-2
>     Dave> months. I wish all the software I actually paid for 
> worked this
>     Dave> well.
> 
> Dave,
> 
> Did you install the plugin using Mark's installer or install 
> from source?

As mentionned in a previous message, everything is ok using installer 002 on
my Windows XP pro SP1 with Outlook 2002 SP2...

Jocelyn



From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 22 11:05:49 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu May 22 11:13:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] /.?
In-Reply-To: <3ECCDF19.8030903@parducci.net>
References: <20030521185319.30177.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com>
	<16076.1313.850777.38242@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3ECCDF19.8030903@parducci.net>
Message-ID: <16076.59213.701284.321611@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    bill> would something like this help?
    bill> http://parducci.net/spambayesQA.html

Thanks, how about a FAQ page on the site?  We can point to it from the
auto-reply.

Skip

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 09:22:58 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Thu May 22 11:23:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-741797 ] Does not filter incoming mail
Message-ID: <E19IruE-0006x5-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #741797, was opened at 2003-05-22 10:22
Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=741797&group_id=61702

Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Kim Tracy (kimtracy)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Does not filter incoming mail

Initial Comment:
Does not actively filter incoming e-mails and leaves
Spam field empty.  Appears to properly filter mail when
doing a "filter now" and "delete as Spam" works fine. 
The log file is attached and it does contain several
error messages that may be of help.  This is the binary
version running on Win2K using outlook2000.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=741797&group_id=61702

From bill at parducci.net  Thu May 22 09:35:40 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Thu May 22 11:36:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] /.?
References: <20030521185319.30177.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com>
	<16076.1313.850777.38242@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3ECCDF19.8030903@parducci.net>
	<16076.59213.701284.321611@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <3ECCEE4C.70306@parducci.net>

i can whip one up (does sf.net provide a template/style sheet they would 
like used?). it would help if those with archived messages/commentary 
tidbits send/point them out to me so i can capture historical content as 
well.

b

Skip Montanaro wrote:
>     bill> would something like this help?
>     bill> http://parducci.net/spambayesQA.html
> 
> Thanks, how about a FAQ page on the site?  We can point to it from the
> auto-reply.
> 
> Skip



From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 22 11:42:53 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu May 22 11:43:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
Message-ID: <16076.61437.103567.684114@montanaro.dyndns.org>

If you use (or have tried unsuccessfully to use) the Outlook plugin with any
version of Windows, please take a look at

    http://spambayes.sf.net/windows.html

and help me fill in empty cells in the table.

Thx,

Skip


From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 22 11:46:10 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu May 22 11:46:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] /.?
In-Reply-To: <3ECCEE4C.70306@parducci.net>
References: <20030521185319.30177.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com>
	<16076.1313.850777.38242@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3ECCDF19.8030903@parducci.net>
	<16076.59213.701284.321611@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3ECCEE4C.70306@parducci.net>
Message-ID: <16076.61634.56014.327258@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    bill> i can whip one up (does sf.net provide a template/style sheet they
    bill> would like used?). it would help if those with archived
    bill> messages/commentary tidbits send/point them out to me so i can
    bill> capture historical content as well.

There's no real template.  Just create a file with the appropriate structure
for the FAQ itself.  For any file on the spambayes.sf.net website, you can
simply strip the "ml" from the end of the URL to get at the ht2html source
template.  For example, 

    http://spambayes.sf.net/windows.html

was generated from

    http://spambayes.sf.net/windows.ht

You can just mail me the result.  I'll add it to the site and to the links
file.

Skip

From tim at fourstonesexpressions.com  Thu May 22 11:53:05 2003
From: tim at fourstonesexpressions.com (Four Stones Expressions)
Date: Thu May 22 11:54:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] /.?
In-Reply-To: <16076.61634.56014.327258@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <20030521185319.30177.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com>
	<16076.1313.850777.38242@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3ECCDF19.8030903@parducci.net>
	<16076.59213.701284.321611@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3ECCEE4C.70306@parducci.net>
	<16076.61634.56014.327258@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <oprpkzqrdsycmiiu@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>

On Thu, 22 May 2003 10:46:10 -0500, Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> wrote:

>
> bill> i can whip one up (does sf.net provide a template/style sheet they
> bill> would like used?). it would help if those with archived
> bill> messages/commentary tidbits send/point them out to me so i can
> bill> capture historical content as well.

We do have a FAQ page on spambayes.sourceforge.net...


c'est moi - TimS

From bill at parducci.net  Thu May 22 10:06:47 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Thu May 22 12:09:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] /.?
References: <20030521185319.30177.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com>	<16076.1313.850777.38242@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3ECCDF19.8030903@parducci.net>	<16076.59213.701284.321611@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3ECCEE4C.70306@parducci.net>	<16076.61634.56014.327258@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<oprpkzqrdsycmiiu@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>
Message-ID: <3ECCF597.9080400@parducci.net>

Four Stones Expressions wrote:
> We do have a FAQ page on spambayes.sourceforge.net...

right. i am in the process of appending it with more recent 
questions/answers. (i was thinking of something specific for outlook 
users, but realized that extending the existing faq make more sense ;-)

b


From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Thu May 22 10:10:45 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Thu May 22 12:11:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Performance of CVS Outlook addin 
In-Reply-To: Message from Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> of "Thu,
	22 May 2003 10:07:40 CDT."
	<16076.59324.169936.406221@montanaro.dyndns.org> 
References: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEAOEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
	<3ECCB103.12627.D6C93BB@localhost>
	<16076.59324.169936.406221@montanaro.dyndns.org> 
Message-ID: <20030522161045.C59B72DE9C@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <16076.59324.169936.406221@montanaro.dyndns.org>
             Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> writes:
>    >> It may also make Brad's hash string collection suspect.  I haven't
>    >> cvs up'd in quite awhile, so I am not yet taking advantage of your
>    >> recent tokenizer changes.  Others who reported data to Brad may be.
>    >> Brad, what sort of input do you want, pre-change or post-change?
>
>    Brad> I don't think you can 'post correct' the hapaxes you already have
>    Brad> in your wordlist, so unless you're willing to start with an empty
>    Brad> database I don't think there's anything you can do about this.
>
>I can, but only because I keep all my training inputs.

As can I, for similar reason.  FWIW, the database I sent is from a
significantly old version of SB (about 3-4 months) which I'm actually
using for my live filtering.  I suppose I ought to update eventually...

- Alex

From rbell at hcdemocrat.com  Thu May 22 13:16:19 2003
From: rbell at hcdemocrat.com (Bell, Robert)
Date: Thu May 22 12:17:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
Message-ID: <409800B2B5630547824C923B202D086613F504@et-prod5.express-times.net>

> If you use (or have tried unsuccessfully to use) the Outlook 
> plugin with any version of Windows, please take a look at
> 
>     http://spambayes.sf.net/windows.html
> 
> and help me fill in empty cells in the table.

I'm using version 1.0a2 with python 2.2.2 (not the binary installer) on Windows 98se with Outlook 2002 (XP) pulling mail from an Exchange 2000 server. No problems so far. I plan to test it on Windows 2000 with Outlook 2002 and Exchange in a day or so.

From tim at fourstonesexpressions.com  Thu May 22 12:31:43 2003
From: tim at fourstonesexpressions.com (Tim Stone)
Date: Thu May 22 12:32:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <409800B2B5630547824C923B202D086613F504@et-prod5.express-times.net>
References: <409800B2B5630547824C923B202D086613F504@et-prod5.express-times.net>
Message-ID: <oprpk1i50734x2gn@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>

On Thu, 22 May 2003 12:16:19 -0400, Bell, Robert <rbell@hcdemocrat.com> 
wrote:

>> If you use (or have tried unsuccessfully to use) the Outlook plugin with 
>> any version of Windows, please take a look at
>>
>> http://spambayes.sf.net/windows.html
>>
>> and help me fill in empty cells in the table.
>
> I'm using version 1.0a2 with python 2.2.2 (not the binary installer) on 
> Windows 98se with Outlook 2002 (XP) pulling mail from an Exchange 2000 
> server. No problems so far. I plan to test it on Windows 2000 with 
> Outlook 2002 and Exchange in a day or so.

For other mail clients that use pop3 and imap, Tony Meyer did a cursory 
test of about 25 clients.  I'm not sure what the scope of his testing was, 
or whether or not it exercised pop3proxy or smtpproxy, but his matrix 
appears somewhere in the archive... I've lost my mbox due to a hd crash, so 
I can't find it... Tony?

c'est moi - TimS

From KHart at BasicBS.Com  Thu May 22 10:18:27 2003
From: KHart at BasicBS.Com (Kenneth Hart)
Date: Thu May 22 12:37:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Happy user
Message-ID: <ABA0B91FD0E8D640A07C831F1A68B0140BFA35@server.BASICBS.COM>

I recently discovered your product & so far, like it very much.  How can
I be notified of, or obtain, updates to the program?

Regards;
Kenneth Hart


From matos at attbi.com  Thu May 22 13:39:02 2003
From: matos at attbi.com (David Matos)
Date: Thu May 22 12:40:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Confirming (mostly) painless setup with XP Pro and
	Outlook XP
In-Reply-To: <16076.58937.10903.54331@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <001501c32080$a93177c0$8d80b042@dexter>

Whoops. I forgot to mention that I used Mark's installer, version 002, on an
SP2 version of Outlook XP.

    Dave> In a recent message I think someone mentioned that no one (or
    Dave> almost no one?) had reported successful use of the Outlook plugin
    Dave> with WinXP (Pro) and Outlook XP (2002). If so, I'd like to confirm
    Dave> that the plugin installed absolutely flawlessly on my PC running
    Dave> the above software. It's been working fine now for about 1-2
    Dave> months. I wish all the software I actually paid for worked this
    Dave> well.

Dave,

Did you install the plugin using Mark's installer or install from source?

Thx,

Skip


From tim.one at comcast.net  Thu May 22 13:39:52 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu May 22 12:42:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <16076.61437.103567.684114@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHMEMPFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[skip@pobox.com]
> If you use (or have tried unsuccessfully to use) the Outlook plugin
> with any version of Windows, please take a look at
>
>     http://spambayes.sf.net/windows.html
>
> and help me fill in empty cells in the table.

Thanks!  It's helpful.

The current binary installer is known not to work on Win98 and WinME.
Installing from CVS is known to work on Win98.


From dwphillips at fwmurphy.com  Thu May 22 12:38:24 2003
From: dwphillips at fwmurphy.com (David W. Phillips)
Date: Thu May 22 12:47:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Usage on XP version of Outlook
Message-ID: <4358DC03B08CD31191A60006293844E20326FFE7@FWM-MAIL>

I just wanted you to know that I have installed and it runs great.  I do
have a question about the filter button on the Xp version of outlook.  After
using the train mode and setting the filters.  The enable filter button is
grayed out, not available.  Haven't had this problem on 2000 outlook.  Is
this a problem?  Does it still run automatically?
 
 
                                                   
David W. Phillips
Systems Administrator
FW Murphy
5311 S. 122nd E. Ave.
Tulsa OK 74146
Voice - (918)-317-4253
Cell - (918)-625-0385
Dwphillips@fwmurphy.com <mailto:Dwphillips@fwmurphy.com> 
 
 
From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 22 12:53:53 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu May 22 12:54:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] /.?
In-Reply-To: <oprpkzqrdsycmiiu@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>
References: <20030521185319.30177.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com>
	<16076.1313.850777.38242@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3ECCDF19.8030903@parducci.net>
	<16076.59213.701284.321611@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3ECCEE4C.70306@parducci.net>
	<16076.61634.56014.327258@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<oprpkzqrdsycmiiu@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>
Message-ID: <16077.161.708464.294129@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    TimS> We do have a FAQ page on spambayes.sourceforge.net...

Ah, yes, I didn't notice.  I naively expected it to be in the left-hand
margin.

Bill, mind if I update the FAQ with any of your questions which it is
missing?

Skip


From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 22 12:55:52 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu May 22 12:56:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] /.?
In-Reply-To: <3ECCF597.9080400@parducci.net>
References: <20030521185319.30177.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com>
	<16076.1313.850777.38242@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3ECCDF19.8030903@parducci.net>
	<16076.59213.701284.321611@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3ECCEE4C.70306@parducci.net>
	<16076.61634.56014.327258@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<oprpkzqrdsycmiiu@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>
	<3ECCF597.9080400@parducci.net>
Message-ID: <16077.280.984032.477048@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    bill> right. i am in the process of appending it with more recent
    bill> questions/answers. (i was thinking of something specific for
    bill> outlook users, but realized that extending the existing faq make
    bill> more sense ;-)

Note that my plan is to have Windows, Mac and Unix/Linux links in the
left-hand margin which link to

    http://spambayes.sf.net/windows.html
    http://spambayes.sf.net/mac.html
    http://spambayes.sf.net/unix.html

There are hardly-more-than-stub pages there now.  I welcome content for any
of them.

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 22 13:05:02 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu May 22 13:05:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <409800B2B5630547824C923B202D086613F504@et-prod5.express-times.net>
References: <409800B2B5630547824C923B202D086613F504@et-prod5.express-times.net>
Message-ID: <16077.830.856498.540462@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> http://spambayes.sf.net/windows.html
    >> 
    >> and help me fill in empty cells in the table.

    Robert> I'm using version 1.0a2 with python 2.2.2 (not the binary
    Robert> installer) on Windows 98se with Outlook 2002 (XP) pulling mail
    Robert> from an Exchange 2000 server. No problems so far. 

Thanks.  I know next to nothing about Windows.  Are Windows 98 and Windows
98se different enough that I should have separate columns for them?

Skip

From bill at parducci.net  Thu May 22 11:06:10 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Thu May 22 13:06:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] /.?
References: <20030521185319.30177.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com>
	<16076.1313.850777.38242@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3ECCDF19.8030903@parducci.net>
	<16076.59213.701284.321611@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3ECCEE4C.70306@parducci.net>
	<16076.61634.56014.327258@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<oprpkzqrdsycmiiu@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>
	<3ECCF597.9080400@parducci.net>
	<16077.280.984032.477048@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <3ECD0382.5050007@parducci.net>

ok. for now i will just stitch together whatever i can come up with into 
the current FAQ and then we can slice and dice as needed. this way we 
will have as much a possible available for consumption quickly. that work?

b

Skip Montanaro wrote:
>     bill> right. i am in the process of appending it with more recent
>     bill> questions/answers. (i was thinking of something specific for
>     bill> outlook users, but realized that extending the existing faq make
>     bill> more sense ;-)
> 
> Note that my plan is to have Windows, Mac and Unix/Linux links in the
> left-hand margin which link to
> 
>     http://spambayes.sf.net/windows.html
>     http://spambayes.sf.net/mac.html
>     http://spambayes.sf.net/unix.html
> 
> There are hardly-more-than-stub pages there now.  I welcome content for any
> of them.
> 
> Skip



From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 22 13:09:05 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu May 22 13:09:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Happy user
In-Reply-To: <ABA0B91FD0E8D640A07C831F1A68B0140BFA35@server.BASICBS.COM>
References: <ABA0B91FD0E8D640A07C831F1A68B0140BFA35@server.BASICBS.COM>
Message-ID: <16077.1073.536902.761805@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Kenneth> I recently discovered your product & so far, like it very much.
    Kenneth> How can I be notified of, or obtain, updates to the program?

Kenneth,

You can keep an eye on the Spambayes website:

    http://spambayes.sf.net/

or subscribe to this mailing list.  We have plans to expand the number of
lists to separate user, development and announcement lists.  When that's in
place (should happen in the next week or so), you can subscribe to the
announcement list if you're not interested in the other lists.

I'm working on a Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix for the Outlook
plugin.  Is that the way you're using the tool?  If so, what versions of
Windows and Outlook are you using?

Thanks,

Skip


From tim.one at comcast.net  Thu May 22 14:11:03 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu May 22 13:14:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <16077.830.856498.540462@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHEENFFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[skip@pobox.com]
> Thanks.  I know next to nothing about Windows.  Are Windows 98 and
> Windows 98se different enough that I should have separate columns for
> them?

98, 98SE, and ME usually act the same, so let's not distinguish among them
until there's a solid reason to (except that we have to list the names,
because users generally don't know how similar they are).


From tim at fourstonesexpressions.com  Thu May 22 13:23:17 2003
From: tim at fourstonesexpressions.com (Tim Stone)
Date: Thu May 22 13:24:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHEENFFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHEENFFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <oprpk3w3qv34x2gn@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>

On Thu, 22 May 2003 13:11:03 -0400, Tim Peters <tim.one@comcast.net> wrote:

> 98, 98SE, and ME usually act the same, so let's not distinguish among 
> them
> until there's a solid reason to (except that we have to list the names,
> because users generally don't know how similar they are).

We could call this cell in the matrix: "The Windows Versions that broke 
almost everything in the name of USB support" <wink>


c'est moi - TimS

From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 22 13:27:47 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu May 22 13:27:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHEENFFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <16077.830.856498.540462@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHEENFFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
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    >> Are Windows 98 and Windows 98se different enough that I should have
    >> separate columns for them?

    Tim> 98, 98SE, and ME usually act the same, so let's not distinguish
    Tim> among them until there's a solid reason to (except that we have to
    Tim> list the names, because users generally don't know how similar they
    Tim> are).

Done.  Please review to make sure I didn't muff something.

Skip

From tim at fourstonesexpressions.com  Thu May 22 13:44:16 2003
From: tim at fourstonesexpressions.com (Tim Stone)
Date: Thu May 22 13:45:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030512151849.0223bd98@mail.grenna.net>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030512151849.0223bd98@mail.grenna.net>
Message-ID: <oprpk4v2un34x2gn@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>

On Mon, 12 May 2003 15:21:50 +0100, Peter Bengtsson <mail@peterbe.com> 
wrote:


> Any ideas what this might mean or what I have done to deserve this?

Well that's an interesting one... did you install bsddb3, or are you using 
the default windows python 2.2 install?  If so, you're likely using dumbdbm 
(the default dbm implementation) which is aptly named... I don't know if 
this would be the problem or not, I use dumbdbm all the time, but this 
clearly is a problem in the database side of things, and it's the only 
thing I can think of right off hand...

c'est moi - TimS

From rbell at hcdemocrat.com  Thu May 22 14:55:39 2003
From: rbell at hcdemocrat.com (Bell, Robert)
Date: Thu May 22 13:56:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
Message-ID: <409800B2B5630547824C923B202D086613F50D@et-prod5.express-times.net>

> 
>     >> http://spambayes.sf.net/windows.html
>     >> 
>     >> and help me fill in empty cells in the table.
> 
>     Robert> I'm using version 1.0a2 with python 2.2.2 (not the binary
>     Robert> installer) on Windows 98se with Outlook 2002 (XP) 
> pulling mail
>     Robert> from an Exchange 2000 server. No problems so far. 
> 
> Thanks.  I know next to nothing about Windows.  Are Windows 
> 98 and Windows 98se different enough that I should have 
> separate columns for them?

I don't think so, but I don't have a machine set up with Windows 98 to test.
 

From David.Bear at asu.edu  Thu May 22 12:22:27 2003
From: David.Bear at asu.edu (David Bear)
Date: Thu May 22 14:25:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] maybe a procmail question...
Message-ID: <20030522112227.B15578@asu.edu>

Since I'm loving spambayes, I'm wondering about how soon its procmail
rule fires.  Should the hammie lines 

# spam beyes filter 
:0 fw:hamlock 
| /usr/bin/hammie.py -f -d -p $HOME/.hammiedb

be the FIRST rule in .procmailrc?  Right now I have other rules that
fire and move messages to specific folders.  I've notice that
sometimes spam get file in thes 'other' folders...

so, this may be more of a procmail question -- is rule order
significant?

-- 
David Bear
phone: 	480-965-8257
fax: 	480-965-9189
College of Public Programs/ASU
Wilson Hall 232
Tempe, AZ 85287-0803
 "Beware the IP portfolio, everyone will be suspect of trespassing"

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 12:26:23 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Thu May 22 14:27:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-741914 ] Unable to Register DLL Error
Message-ID: <E19Iulj-0006Jq-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #741914, was opened at 2003-05-22 13:26
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Gary Thomas (garyt977)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Unable to Register DLL Error

Initial Comment:
I'm running WinXP and Office 2000 Professional.  When I
attempt to install the binary version on my system I
get the following error:

----
C:\Program files\Spambayes Outlook
Addin\Spambayes_addin.dll

Unable to register the DLL/OCX:DllRegister failed:code
0x00000000

Abort, Retry, Fail
----

After searching my hard drive, I was unable to find a
log file for this program.

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From WalkerK2 at DNB.com  Thu May 22 15:43:15 2003
From: WalkerK2 at DNB.com (Walker, Ken)
Date: Thu May 22 14:53:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook XP/Win 2000
Message-ID: <E53C5C383912D511BB0F00508BB80B9A0475AA4E@exbhbhmb06.us.dnb.com>

Hi!

 

            Great product!  I found you via Udell's article in InfoWorld.  I
wanted to let you know that the plugin install did not work with my Outlook
XP/Win 2000 configuration.  Do you think the new version of the plugin
installer will fix this problem?  I got an error when it tried to register
spambayes_addin.dll and an Abort/Retry/Ignore prompt.

 

Thanks,

Ken

___


Ken Walker

D&B Application Specialist

800.526.0651 x6728

walkerk2@dnb.com <mailto:walkerk2@dnb.com> 

 

 

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 12:57:37 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Thu May 22 14:59:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740893 ] failure to install
Message-ID: <E19IvFx-0002VZ-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740893, was opened at 2003-05-21 04:44
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Jack Steiner (steinman1950)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: failure to install

Initial Comment:
Attempted install of binary version on W98 machine 
running Outlook2000.  Did install and uninstall twice.  
As directed by the troubleshooting guide, checked 
the COM Add-ins - Spambayes was listed but not 
checked.  I checked it, closed the dialog box, 
reopened the dialog box and it was not checked 
again.  I ran regsvr32.exe but got an error.  This 
may be similar to ID #725449.

Jack Steiner
502-228-8110
jack@steiner.win.net

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Comment By: Ravil A. Desai (radesai)
Date: 2003-05-22 18:57

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=753768

I am getting the same error. I had it installed and it worked 
fine for a day or two. Now, it has stopped working and I get 
the same errors. I didn't make sense to recreate another bug. 
I removed and reinstalled, but that did not fix the problem.

Thanks
radesai


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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 13:20:47 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Thu May 22 15:21:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-712480 ] Outlook 2002 (XP)
	installation fails
Message-ID: <E19IvcN-0003R5-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #712480, was opened at 2003-03-31 00:47
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Paul Marrero (pmarrero)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook 2002 (XP) installation fails

Initial Comment:
I use office XP with the Outlook client.  It appears that 
the registration was successfull but I cannnot find any 
menu buttons.  XP clipboard does appear to have the 
Icons.  The command line train works.  Not sure where 
to go from here.  

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Comment By: Eric C. Vogel (ecvogel)
Date: 2003-05-22 15:20

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=784818

Same here. Outlook XP all SP and patches, WIn XP Pro SP1 
all patches. The file is registered and in the COM and has the 
check. Exchange Server 2000 all SP and patches on SBS 
2kSP-1 all patches. 002 install

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Comment By: Steve McCullough (sm5669)
Date: 2003-05-19 18:24

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=782446

Same here.  Outlook 2002 on Win2000 with all the latest SPs 
and patches applied.  Log file...

warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, 
args, kwargs)
warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, 
args, kwargs)
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\PYTHON32\lib\site-
packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, args, 
None, None)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\PYTHON32\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwargs, 
serviceProvider)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\PYTHON32\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, dispid, lcid, 
wFlags, args, kwArgs, serviceProvider)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\PYTHON32\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 654, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 15, 
in ?
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 86, 
in ?
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
exceptions.ImportError: No module named win32com.mapi


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Comment By: Tormod Hystad (thystad)
Date: 2003-05-16 03:27

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=780089

Exactly same as Nick here. Win2003 RC2, Outlook XP 
(Norwegian, version 10.2627.4219 SP2, configured with one 
Exchange (Standard) email acount) and the 002 install 
package.

Thanks,
Tormod

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Comment By: Nick Trautmann (nicktrautmann)
Date: 2003-05-12 04:15

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=776857

Similar here:

pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 156, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 71, 
in import_core_spambayes_stuff
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\spambayes\tokenizer.py", line 659, 
in ?
exceptions.AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no 
attribute 'skip_max_word_size'
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\Nick\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 156, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 71, 
in import_core_spambayes_stuff
exceptions.ImportError: cannot import name tokenize

Thanks
Nick


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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-03-31 21:48

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Actually, I get this too.  I've just switched to Outlook XP, so 
I'm not sure if this is the reason, or just that I'm doing a fresh 
install.  The log includes the following traces:

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Failed to load bayes database
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 310, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\tameyer\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Either bayes database or message database is missing - 
creating new
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 165, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 329, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 378, 
in InitNewBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 94, 
in new_bayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
exceptions.AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Failed to load bayes database
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 310, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\tameyer\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Either bayes database or message database is missing - 
creating new
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 165, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 329, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 378, 
in InitNewBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 94, 
in new_bayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
exceptions.AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'


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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-03-31 01:05

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Which version of the Outlook plugin are you using?  (a) the 
latest CVS, (b) the 001 stand-alone installer, or (c) the 002 
stand-alone installer?  I know that the 001 installer has been 
known to have this problem (although it appeared to be fixed 
in 002).

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From david.proske at dhs.state.tx.us  Thu May 22 15:19:16 2003
From: david.proske at dhs.state.tx.us (Proske,David)
Date: Thu May 22 15:22:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] bug in binary installer
Message-ID: <615D36A41691D211BB0900A0C9D619990452EA5F@houmis03.dhs.state.tx.us>

I have a win2000 running outlook 2000 sr1 and I get the following message  
<<error.jpeg>> and the logs are as follows the first two time the log was
empty but the next two time I got the following logs.  <<spambayes3.log>>  
<<spambayes4.log>> 
David
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From tim.one at comcast.net  Thu May 22 16:20:10 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu May 22 15:23:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] List moeration
In-Reply-To: <E53C5C383912D511BB0F00508BB80B9A0475AA4E@exbhbhmb06.us.dnb.com>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHEEOEFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

The number of times per day a harmless msg to this list is sitting waiting
for moderator approval has gotten out of hand, so I've turned off list
moderation here.  Maybe one spam per day will come through now.  If/when we
set up distinct lists for end users, developers, and announcements, they can
have distinct policies.  Until then, if anyone is dying to get moderation
back here, volunteer to be a moderator or stuff it <wink>.


From bobcirrito at bellsouth.net  Thu May 22 17:04:51 2003
From: bobcirrito at bellsouth.net (Bob Cirrito)
Date: Thu May 22 22:19:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Prerequisites
Message-ID: <002701c3209d$69acea40$0100a8c0@Bobs3GHzDell>

I'm running a small office network and using Outlook 2002 on Windows XP Pro.
Spam is almost unmanageable. I don't have Python 2.x. Is it something I can
download so I can download and install SpamBayes? Sounds like you're on to
something decent to manage spam. Have you thought of a composite
installation package to bundle all this for us little guys that really get
socked with spam and who can least afford it.

Bob Cirrito
Protec Industries
P.O. Box 17105
Plantation, FL 33318 USA
(+1)(954)587-0894 phone
(+1)(954)583-8490 fax
bobcirrito@bellsouth.net email NEW
www.ProtecIndustries.com
www.PackagingForensics.com

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 14:15:14 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May 22 22:20:51 2003
Subject: FAQ (Was RE: [Spambayes] /.?)
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A00@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Four Stones Expressions wrote:
> > We do have a FAQ page on spambayes.sourceforge.net...
> 
> right. i am in the process of appending it with more recent 
> questions/answers. (i was thinking of something specific for outlook 
> users, but realized that extending the existing faq make more 
> sense ;-)

BTW, I put up the FAQ that's there at the moment, but I'm not at all
attached to it.  My hope was that others would add to it if there was a
start...I'm not attached to the layout either, if anyone wants to make
it nicer.

Note that it's based on (but a little behind) the FAQ.txt that's in CVS.

At the time, I only had time to add questions/answers from mail I hadn't
dealt with, plus there are a couple of extra ones I added.  If someone
is willing to trawl through the archives, or similarly come up with
others, please do!

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 14:17:30 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May 22 22:21:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] /.?
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A02@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> i can clean it up, but for now i just grabbed a few of the latest 
> support questions/answers for posterity.  i can continue to do so if 
> others think it will help slow the postings. (i can e-mail updates to 
> someone with access to the site if that works...)

You can email me updates and I can add them in.  You can probably email
them to Skip also.  The more 'cleaned up', the better, so that we can
just paste them into the .ht file.  (Or, if you really want to do all
the work, then check out the faq.ht file from the website CVS and mail
new versions of that...).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 15:20:33 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May 22 22:21:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] List moderation
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A56@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Tim Peters]
> I've turned off list moderation here.  Maybe one 
> spam per day will come through now.

Am I right in thinking that the reason the Spambayes project started was
to create a filter for mailman?  (I'm sure I read that somewhere...)

If so, does this mean that mail to the list is filtered through
Spambayes?  (Or is it filtered through anything else?)

If it does get filtered, it would be interesting to know the stats.  If
it doesn't, then no-one on the list should have a problem, since our own
copies should catch one measly spam per day.

=Tony Meyer

From kent at redbird.net  Thu May 22 22:18:01 2003
From: kent at redbird.net (Kent Margraf)
Date: Thu May 22 22:22:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes can't call universal dispatcher
Message-ID: <NDBBLKPIALDOJEFJBOCOOEKDCOAA.kent@redbird.net>

I'm seeing a problem with the binary distribution (002) in Outlook 2000
running on WinMe.  Here's the log file:

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in
_InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in
_invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 141, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 182, in
LocateDataDirectory
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\ntpath.py", line 269, in isdir
exceptions.LookupError: no codec search functions registered: can't find
encoding



Any suggestions?


From mikering at midwtech.com  Thu May 22 15:56:48 2003
From: mikering at midwtech.com (Michael T. Ring)
Date: Thu May 22 22:26:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Comments
Message-ID: <KIEOJGBJLNJIMGFHNBHDAEOGCGAA.mikering@midwtech.com>

I have 2 comments/questions about the Plug-In for Outlook. I love how it
learns, but when I shut down Outlook when I log off and log back in the next
day, it's forgotten everything and has to retrain. Also, why is the Advanced
button deactivated?

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 15:25:53 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May 22 22:27:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Prerequisites
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A5D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm running a small office network and using Outlook 2002 on 
> Windows XP Pro. Spam is almost unmanageable. I don't have 
> Python 2.x. Is it something I can download so I can download 
> and install SpamBayes?

There are two things here:
  1.  You should be able to download the Outlook plugin binary and
install that, and that's all you need (i.e. no need for Python).
  2.  There are known issues with the current installer and
Windows/Outlook XP.

Some people using Windows/Outlook XP have used the installer and
everything is fine.  For others, it's not.  We haven't managed to figure
out what the difference is yet - I think Mark suspected that it was
Outlook 2002 SP-1, but that might not be the case.

So you should download the installer and give it a go.  Please let us
know if it does install correctly, and which version (exactly) of
Windows/Outlook you're using.

If it doesn't, you have two options:
  1. Wait for the next binary, which hopefully will fix this problem
(and hopefully this is due in the next fortnight).
  2. Install Python (from http://www.python.org), download the alpha2
release and use that.  The Python installer is nice and simple to use,
but the alpha2 isn't so much (which is why there is the binary).

HTH.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 15:27:39 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May 22 22:28:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Quick Question
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A5F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Will the spambayes work with outlook 11?

What is Outlook 11?  Is that the numeric version number for Outlook
2003?  (My copy of Outlook 2002 has 10 in the version number, so that
might make sense).

If it is, then the answer is 'not yet'.  We would welcome help in
changing this, though.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 15:31:44 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May 22 22:32:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook XP/Win 2000
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A6B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I wanted to let you know that the plugin 
> install did not work with my Outlook XP/Win 2000 
> configuration. Do you think the new version of the plugin 
> installer will fix this problem?  I got an error when it 
> tried to register spambayes_addin.dll and an 
> Abort/Retry/Ignore prompt.

This error is being tracked here:
[ 740198 ] Installation fails with regsvr error
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=740198&group_i
d=61702&atid=498103

The new version of the installer *should* fix this problem.  Given the
number of times it's been reported recently, it needs to!

Could you let us know (by attaching a comment to the above bug,
preferably), exactly what version of Windows/Outlook you are using?
(From the "About" menu item in the "Help" menu).

=Tony Meyer

From aaronlineberger at cox.net  Thu May 22 23:32:16 2003
From: aaronlineberger at cox.net (Aaron Lineberger)
Date: Thu May 22 22:33:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <CLENJHEHFBLBLNMFJAOOAEDLCAAA.aaronlineberger@cox.net>

Hi,

I just downloaded the .EXE installer and was running through the setup
instructions when I ran into a problem when trying to set up the Spam Score
Field (I'm running Outlook 2000). The instructions say that under "User
Defined Fields" there will be a button with a "Spam" label. Sure enough it
is there. :) However, when I drag the field to the Inbox header, the field
Type is "Number" instead of "Percent" and the Format is "All Digits
1,234,567 -1,234,567" instead of "Rounded 65% -65%". I have tried deleting
this user defined field and recreating it with the Type and Format specified
in the instructions to get it to show percentages, but to no avail; after
recreating it, I drag it over to the Inbox header and the Type and Format
revert back to "Number" and "All Didgits ..."

I know this seems minor, but it's kind of annoying having to look at the
Spam Percentage as a long decimal number.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance, and please reply to aaron@cs.odu.edu.
Aaron


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 15:33:56 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May 22 22:35:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes can't call universal dispatcher
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A6F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm seeing a problem with the binary distribution (002) in 
> Outlook 2000 running on WinMe.  Here's the log file:
[...]
>   File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\ntpath.py", line 269, in isdir
> exceptions.LookupError: no codec search functions registered: 
> can't find encoding

This is being tracked here:
[ 725449 ] Binary plugin fails on Win9x
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=725449&group_i
d=61702&atid=498103

At the moment the only solution is to install Python and use a source
release (alpha2 or CVS) of Spambayes.  This will definitely be fixed in
the next version of the installer, which is due out in the next couple
of weeks.

=Tony Meyer

From anthony at interlink.com.au  Fri May 23 11:34:27 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Thu May 22 22:35:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] maybe a procmail question... 
In-Reply-To: <20030522112227.B15578@asu.edu> 
Message-ID: <200305230034.h4N0YSl03348@localhost.localdomain>


>>> David Bear wrote
> Since I'm loving spambayes, I'm wondering about how soon its procmail
> rule fires.  Should the hammie lines 
> 
> # spam beyes filter 
> :0 fw:hamlock 
> | /usr/bin/hammie.py -f -d -p $HOME/.hammiedb
> 
> be the FIRST rule in .procmailrc?  Right now I have other rules that
> fire and move messages to specific folders.  I've notice that
> sometimes spam get file in thes 'other' folders...
> 
> so, this may be more of a procmail question -- is rule order
> significant?

Yes and yes.

(Actually, my first procmailrc entry is actually a call to formail,
to weed out duplicates)

Anthony
-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From joe at swelltech.com  Thu May 22 17:15:33 2003
From: joe at swelltech.com (Joe Cooper)
Date: Thu May 22 22:36:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] maybe a procmail question...
In-Reply-To: <20030522112227.B15578@asu.edu>
References: <20030522112227.B15578@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <3ECD3DF5.10304@swelltech.com>

David Bear wrote:
> Since I'm loving spambayes, I'm wondering about how soon its procmail
> rule fires.  Should the hammie lines 
> 
> # spam beyes filter 
> :0 fw:hamlock 
> | /usr/bin/hammie.py -f -d -p $HOME/.hammiedb
> 
> be the FIRST rule in .procmailrc?  Right now I have other rules that
> fire and move messages to specific folders.  I've notice that
> sometimes spam get file in thes 'other' folders...
> 
> so, this may be more of a procmail question -- is rule order
> significant?

Yes.  Rule order is significant in procmail.
-- 
Joe Cooper <joe@swelltech.com>
Web caching appliances and support.
http://www.swelltech.com


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 15:40:04 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May 22 22:41:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Moved my spambayes folder and killed the plugin
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A79@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

My turn to ask for help ;)

I moved the folder that I keep the version of spambayes I'm using for
the Outlook plugin yesterday.  Now all sorts of things don't work...

I noticed from the trace that it still referred to the old path, and
recalling the invalid drive discussion recently, I figured I needed to
delete my old .pyc files.  So I deleted all of these, unregistered the
plugin, and registered it again.

Now when I open Outlook I get a "ERROR: There was an error initializing
the SpamBayes addin\n\nPlease re-start Outlook and try again." message.
(Restarting does not help).  I've also tried deleting my config file,
which also didn't help.  I also tried manually removing the registry
key, which also didn't help.

The trace has lots of these:
  Loaded databases in 43.9123ms
  Error connecting to Outlook!
And these:
      if self.manager.config.filter.enabled:
  AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'filter'

Anyone got any advice?

=Tony Meyer

From bill at parducci.net  Thu May 22 19:28:04 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Thu May 22 22:42:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] /.?
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A02@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <3ECD7924.7020800@parducci.net>

i just sourced the ht file via my browser and updated it. skip has my 
first cut of updates. i will start looking through the code for tidbits 
of info to salvage and stick them in the file.

b

Meyer, Tony wrote:
>>i can clean it up, but for now i just grabbed a few of the latest 
>>support questions/answers for posterity.  i can continue to do so if 
>>others think it will help slow the postings. (i can e-mail updates to 
>>someone with access to the site if that works...)
> 
> 
> You can email me updates and I can add them in.  You can probably email
> them to Skip also.  The more 'cleaned up', the better, so that we can
> just paste them into the .ht file.  (Or, if you really want to do all
> the work, then check out the faq.ht file from the website CVS and mail
> new versions of that...).
> 
> =Tony Meyer



From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Thu May 22 14:12:31 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Thu May 22 22:42:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] maybe a procmail question... 
In-Reply-To: Message from David Bear <David.Bear@asu.edu> 
	of "Thu, 22 May 2003 11:22:27 PDT." <20030522112227.B15578@asu.edu> 
References: <20030522112227.B15578@asu.edu> 
Message-ID: <20030522201231.71E0E2DEA0@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <20030522112227.B15578@asu.edu>
             David Bear <David.Bear@asu.edu> writes:
>Since I'm loving spambayes, I'm wondering about how soon its procmail
>rule fires.  Should the hammie lines 
>
># spam beyes filter 
>:0 fw:hamlock 
>| /usr/bin/hammie.py -f -d -p $HOME/.hammiedb
>
>be the FIRST rule in .procmailrc?  Right now I have other rules that
>fire and move messages to specific folders.  I've notice that
>sometimes spam get file in thes 'other' folders...
>
>so, this may be more of a procmail question -- is rule order
>significant?

Yes, rule order is potentially very significant.

Personally, I have SB as the second rule in my procmail script;
the first rule is for logging that yes, I got mail.  I then have
incremental training as my third and fourth rules (reinforcing
SB's ham/spam decisions), then the memoing into myriad folders.
Then I shuffle spam off into a spambox, and dump all remaining
into my inbox.  Corrections for mistakes are handled by my nightly
retrain (which picks up of where I've moved messages that were
misclassified).

I actually _want_ spam to be memoed along with ham into my various
folders; the folders are largely records of traffic on mailing lists,
and I want complete records, not edited ones.  If I wanted to keep
spam out of the other folders, though, I'd just move the rule putting
spam into my spambox so that it was rule number 5, above all the
other folder foo.

- Alex
>
>-- 
>David Bear
>phone: 	480-965-8257
>fax: 	480-965-9189
>College of Public Programs/ASU
>Wilson Hall 232
>Tempe, AZ 85287-0803
> "Beware the IP portfolio, everyone will be suspect of trespassing"
>
>_______________________________________________
>Spambayes mailing list
>Spambayes@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>
>
--------

From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Thu May 22 14:04:11 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Thu May 22 22:42:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] List moeration 
In-Reply-To: Message from Tim Peters <tim.one@comcast.net> of "Thu,
	22 May 2003 15:20:10 EDT."
	<BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHEEOEFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net> 
References: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHEEOEFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net> 
Message-ID: <20030522200411.D9B832DE9C@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHEEOEFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
             Tim Peters <tim.one@comcast.net> writes:

>Until then, if anyone is dying to get moderation back here,
>volunteer to be a moderator or stuff it <wink>.

I've got a trained SB instance that can be moderator!  Oh, wait,
we all do... ;-)

- Alex

From bill at parducci.net  Thu May 22 14:53:31 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Thu May 22 22:42:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] maybe a procmail question...
References: <20030522112227.B15578@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <3ECD38CB.30808@parducci.net>

here is my .procmailrc file. i call hammiefilter with my second recipe 
(not shown is the first recipe which allows me to kick off retraining 
via e-mail). next i have procmail throw identified spam into a bucket, 
then file what gets through.

MAILDIR=${HOME}/mail

:0fw
| /opt/spambayes/hammiefilter.py

:0
* ^X-Spambayes-Classification: spam
${MAILDIR}/spam

INCLUDERC=${HOME}/procmailrc.local
(where i file stuff)

the only rule order that matters is that that you run hammiefilter 
before checking for spambayes classification! ;-)

b


David Bear wrote:
> Since I'm loving spambayes, I'm wondering about how soon its procmail
> rule fires.  Should the hammie lines 
> 
> # spam beyes filter 
> :0 fw:hamlock 
> | /usr/bin/hammie.py -f -d -p $HOME/.hammiedb
> 
> be the FIRST rule in .procmailrc?  Right now I have other rules that
> fire and move messages to specific folders.  I've notice that
> sometimes spam get file in thes 'other' folders...
> 
> so, this may be more of a procmail question -- is rule order
> significant?
> 



From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 15:43:14 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May 22 22:44:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Comments
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A7E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I have 2 comments/questions about the Plug-In
> for Outlook. I love how it learns, but when I shut down
> Outlook when I log off and log back in the next day, it's
> forgotten everything and has to retrain.

It shouldn't do this.  Can you open a bug on sourceforge
(http://sf.net/projects/spambayes) and include a log file?  (The
troubleshooting.html file has instructions about how to do all of this).
We can probably figure out why it's not saving/loading the database.

> Also, why is the Advanced button deactivated?

Because there aren't any advanced options that are currently exposed.
This will probably change, but not for a wee while yet.

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri May 23 10:43:59 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu May 22 22:46:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook XP/Win 2000
In-Reply-To: <E53C5C383912D511BB0F00508BB80B9A0475AA4E@exbhbhmb06.us.dnb.com>
Message-ID: <119a01c320bc$04f9dc10$530f8490@eden>

We are tracking this bug in
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=740198&group_id=61
702&atid=498103, and we certainly hope to have it fixed by the next release.

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Walker, Ken
> Sent: Friday, 23 May 2003 4:43 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook XP/Win 2000
>
>
> Hi!
>
>
>
>             Great product!  I found you via Udell's article
> in InfoWorld.  I
> wanted to let you know that the plugin install did not work
> with my Outlook
> XP/Win 2000 configuration.  Do you think the new version of the plugin
> installer will fix this problem?  I got an error when it
> tried to register
> spambayes_addin.dll and an Abort/Retry/Ignore prompt.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken
>
> ___
>
>
> Ken Walker
>
> D&B Application Specialist
>
> 800.526.0651 x6728
>
> walkerk2@dnb.com <mailto:walkerk2@dnb.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 15:46:49 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May 22 22:48:00 2003
Subject: Incremental training (was RE: [Spambayes] maybe a procmail
	question... )
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A82@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Alex]
> I then have incremental training as my third and fourth rules 
> (reinforcing SB's ham/spam decisions), then the memoing into 
> myriad folders.

Is there any consensus about whether incremental training is a good
thing or bad thing?  Given that I mostly use the Outlook plugin, I've
often wondered how things would go if it automatically trained on mail
it filters (apart from the unsures).

I recall that there was discussion about this a long way back, but I
don't remember seeing anything conclusive.

=Tony Meyer

From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 22 22:52:18 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu May 22 22:52:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes can't call universal dispatcher
In-Reply-To: <NDBBLKPIALDOJEFJBOCOOEKDCOAA.kent@redbird.net>
References: <NDBBLKPIALDOJEFJBOCOOEKDCOAA.kent@redbird.net>
Message-ID: <16077.36066.723869.604917@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Kent> I'm seeing a problem with the binary distribution (002) in Outlook
    Kent> 2000 running on WinMe.  Here's the log file:

    ...
    Kent> exceptions.LookupError: no codec search functions registered:
    Kent> can't find encoding

    Kent> Any suggestions?

This is a known problem with the installer and some versions of Windows (or
I seem to recall that it is - I'm not a Windows person and there is so much
Windows/Outlook traffic here these days I can't keep it all straight).  I
think you should be okay with the Spambayes source distribution, but that
means you'll have to install Python 2.2.2 and maybe some of Mark Hammond's
other goodies (win32all?).

Maybe we need is a set of instructions - maybe we already have them
somewhere - for people who aren't successful with the binary installer.

Skip


From tim.one at comcast.net  Thu May 22 23:50:31 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu May 22 22:53:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Experimental Ham/Spam imbalance setting
In-Reply-To: <16E1010E4581B049ABC51D4975CEDB88619A8B@UKDCX001.uk.int.atosorigin.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIECDEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Moore, Paul]
> I have a friend who is using the POP3 proxy for his mail. He has a
> 10:1 spam:ham imbalance, and he's found that he gets quite a high
> proportion of unsures (from 200 or so mails a day, over 75% of which
> are spam). His DB contains about 1300 spam and 150 spam.

150 ham, right (you said "spam" twice there)?  That's not much of a ham
sample regardless of option settings, and without knowing what he set his
unsure range to, "quite a high proportion" may be astonishing or
inescapable.

> In addition to the unsure rate being high, he's finding that training
> on the unsures isn't helping. I suspect that this is because the
> Ham/Spam imbalance setting means that training one unsure as spam has
> little effect

If that option is enabled, yes, the system is already (relatively) glutted
with spam, and won't pay much more attention to spam clues until it's taught
more about ham.

> (10% of the effect it'd have on a balanced DB?).

Like anything is that simple <wink>.

> Am I right in thinking that pop3proxy has this parameter set to true?

I don't see anything to suggest that it is.  The default is still False, and
AFAICT only Outlook2000/default_bayes_customize.ini sets it True.

> I know it is for the Outlook plugin (which I use, but I have a fairly
> balanced DB these days).
>
> Is there any good view on whether the setting is a good thing yet?

It's a pick-your-poison thing.  If you have more spam than ham and keep this
False, a higher false positive rate is the expected result (or a higher FN
rate if you have more ham than spam).

> My feeling is that the higher proportion of unsures, plus the
> unresponsiveness to training, makes it an overall loss.

The fellow you're talking about has a pathologically low number of ham; I
wouldn't decide anything based on that, and I expect the option is actually
False for him anyway.  Sjoerd Mullender and Richie Hindle were the only ones
here to report testing results at the time the option was introduced.
Richie reported very good improvements with it True, Sjoerd reported mildly
worse results with it True but did less testing than Richie did.  It remains
experimental because the evidence was/is spotty and mixed.

> I got the same qualitative results myself when my DB was badly
> unbalanced - that's why I made the effort to make and keep my DB
> balanced. But I have no corresponding feel for the real-life results
> with the parameter *not* set.

I have about a 2-to-1 imbalance (favoring spam) in each of my three
real-life databases, all Outlook-based and so all with this option True, and
like it just fine.  Now you've got all the evidence anyone has <wink>.

> My friend has now purged his database and is starting from scratch,
> to try to improve his results.

He should have kept the 150 most-recent spam instead.

> I mentioned the setting, but as it's a config file edit, rather than a
> button in the UI, he didn't feel comfortable changing it (and AIUI,
> he'd need to retrain as well - is that right?)

Nope!  We don't store spamprobs in a database, just word counts.
experimental_ham_spam_imbalance_adjustment is used (only) in
Classifier.probability() when a probability is (dynamically) computed.

> Maybe the option should be exposed in the UI (but that may not be
> sensible if changing it *does* require a retrain).

For researchers that would be fine, but end users don't have a clue about
what to do with exotic internal options.

> If it is, then the help could explain that this option is only relevant
> if your database has unequal numbers of ham and spam, and what the
> disadvantages of each setting are (option set = more unsures, less
> responsive to training; option unset = ???)

Your friend could spend his time better by collecting more ham <0.9 wink>.

> If the option isn't exposed, I'd vote for taking it out. We're not
> getting any useful new feedback that I'm aware of.

Since mass testing here stopped, we haven't got useful feedback on any of
the non-default options.  Since there wasn't enough info to decide about
them when mass testing stopped, they still deserve a chance to survive.  I
hope mass testing resumes, but I can't drive it (no time).  Until it does
resume, the continued existence of these options seems appropriate.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri May 23 13:49:04 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu May 22 23:02:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Moved my spambayes folder and killed the plugin
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A79@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <123201c320d5$dfe05610$530f8490@eden>

> I noticed from the trace that it still referred to the old path, and
> recalling the invalid drive discussion recently, I figured I needed to
> delete my old .pyc files.  So I deleted all of these, unregistered the
> plugin, and registered it again.

It shouldn't be necessary to delete the old .pyc files, but it couldn't hurt
:)

> And these:
>       if self.manager.config.filter.enabled:
>   AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'filter'

It sounds like the config is hosed.  Clearly it is a bug we don't handle
that gracefully, but I am not sure how it gets so lost.  Try deleting the
config pickle maybe (actually, just move it away so we can try and recreate
the error)

Mark.
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From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 22 23:06:05 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu May 22 23:06:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <119301c320ba$ae52e560$530f8490@eden>
References: <001501c32080$a93177c0$8d80b042@dexter>
	<119301c320ba$ae52e560$530f8490@eden>
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    Mark> How about we say that Outlook XP SP2 is "known to work", and that
    Mark> earlier versions are "known to have some issues".  We can then
    Mark> correct it when people correct us :)

Done.

    Mark> I would drop the "XP Home" and "XP Professional" distinction - I
    Mark> seriously doubt that would have any impact, and we should have
    Mark> "2000 Pro/Server" distinctions if we make that one.

Done.  Should I drop the Win95 column as well?  Nobody seems to be running
that.  Would Outlook 2000 or XP even run on it?  You don't support any older
versions of Outlook do you?

    Mark> Re the "Exchange Server" comments in your matrix: I would tone
    Mark> down the disclaimer, as it does now work fairly well in that
    Mark> environment (with one or 2 minor bugs specific to it).  I even
    Mark> have a (very quiet) Exchange Server currently that I am able to
    Mark> run against.

Done.

    Mark> I'm happy to hack something up on this if you like - just let me
    Mark> know when you have checked in your latest.  It looks excellent
    Mark> though - thanks!

Hack away.  This stuff is beginning to make my head spin.

Ignoring the fact that next to nothing has been written about the
Mac-specific page, I'm going to go ahead and stitch the platform-specific
pages into the left-hand margin.  That should make it easier for people just
stumbling onto the site to find the Windows-specific issues, which look like
they are going to dominate for some time to come.

Skip



From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 22 23:07:12 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu May 22 23:07:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB39C7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB39C7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <16077.36960.486158.231011@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tony> This is with Outlook 2000 or 2002, right?  The table currently has
    Tony> Outlook 2000 working, which I don't think is the case.  If I was
    Tony> sure, I'd change it, but I'm not so...

I thought Outlook 2000 was the version which got the most exercise.

    Tony> I think that the Win98(etc) rows should both be "1.0a2 source or
    Tony> CVS works, installer 002 fails".

Done.  I love rowspan=... ;-)

Skip


From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 22 23:12:15 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu May 22 23:12:51 2003
Subject: FAQ (Was RE: [Spambayes] /.?)
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A00@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A00@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <16077.37263.719901.63141@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tony> BTW, I put up the FAQ that's there at the moment, but I'm not at
    Tony> all attached to it.  My hope was that others would add to it if
    Tony> there was a start...I'm not attached to the layout either, if
    Tony> anyone wants to make it nicer.

Bill sent me a new section today which I merged in.  I also tweaked it a bit
in other more cosmetic ways.

    Tony> Note that it's based on (but a little behind) the FAQ.txt that's
    Tony> in CVS.

Would someone like to merge the two please?  Maybe then the FAQ.txt file can
just point to the website.  It appears that most of our users are going to
be quickly addicted to Mark's installer.

S

From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Thu May 22 15:26:24 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Thu May 22 23:18:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix 
In-Reply-To: Message from Tim Stone <tim@fourstonesexpressions.com> of "Thu,
	22 May 2003 11:31:43 CDT."
	<oprpk1i50734x2gn@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com> 
References: <409800B2B5630547824C923B202D086613F504@et-prod5.express-times.net>
	<oprpk1i50734x2gn@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com> 
Message-ID: <20030522212624.587032DEA7@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <oprpk1i50734x2gn@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>
             Tim Stone <tim@fourstonesexpressions.com> writes:
>On Thu, 22 May 2003 12:16:19 -0400, Bell, Robert <rbell@hcdemocrat.com> 
>wrote:
>
>For other mail clients that use pop3 and imap, Tony Meyer did a cursory 
>test of about 25 clients.  I'm not sure what the scope of his testing was, 
>or whether or not it exercised pop3proxy or smtpproxy, but his matrix 
>appears somewhere in the archive... I've lost my mbox due to a hd crash, so 
>I can't find it... Tony?

Well, I'm not Tony, but here's his message:

| (Message everything:28253)
| From:  "Meyer, Tony" <T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz>
| To:  <spambayes@python.org>
| Delivered-To:  popiel@wolfskeep.com
| X-MimeOLE:  Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6334.0
| content-class:  urn:content-classes:message
| X-MS-Has-Attach:  
| X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:  
| Thread-Topic:  [Spambayes] training WAS: aging information
| Thread-Index:  AcLXri68fD6CctHwRp+HG+RAEVwIxQAI8gmwAApz/sAAWteFwAACSPyw
| X-OriginalArrivalTime:  21 Feb 2003 06:16:35.0734 (UTC)
| 		       	FILETIME=[C957E360:01C2D970]
| X-Spambayes-Classification:  ham; 0.00
| Message-ID:  <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1318D509@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
| Sender:  spambayes-bounces+popiel=wolfskeep.com@python.org
| 
| Subject:  RE: [Spambayes] training
| Date:  Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:14:50 +1300
| 
| Ok, I've done some testing, and here are the results from these clients.
|  They are all windows apps, as I don't have a linux or mac box handy to
| test with.  If anyone wants some other test done while I have all of
| these installed, let me know :)
| 
| [I did not do any Outlook testing, since the plugin does everything
| anyone might possibly want]
| 
| All clients tested, unsurprisingly, will include the message body in the
| forwarded message.
| 
| The following client/methods will forward all headers:
| Eudora 5.2 Forward
| Netscape Messenger (4.7) Forward (inline)
| Netscape Messenger (4.7) Forward (attachment) Plain
| Netscape Messenger (4.7) Forward (attachment) HTML
| Netscape Messenger (4.7) Forward (attachment) Plain & HTML
| M2 (Opera Mailer) Redirect
| The Bat! Forward (RFC Headers visible)
| The Bat! Alternative Forward
| The Bat! Custom Template
| Pegasus Mail Forward (all headers option set)
| Calypso 3 Redirect
| Becky! Redirect as attachment
| 
| The following client/methods will *not* forward all headers:
| Eudora 5.2 Redirect
| Netscape Messenger (4.7) Forward (quoted) Plain
| Netscape Messenger (4.7) Forward (quoted) HTML
| Netscape Messenger (4.7) Forward (quoted) Plain & HTML
| Outlook Express 6 Forward HTML (Base64)
| Outlook Express 6 Forward HTML (None)
| Outlook Express 6 Forward HTML (QP)
| Outlook Express 6 Forward Plain (Base64)
| Outlook Express 6 Forward Plain (None)
| Outlook Express 6 Forward Plain (QP)
| Outlook Express 6 Forward Plain (uuencoded)
| http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman Forward
| M2 (Opera Mailer) Forward
| The Bat! Forward (RFC Headers not visible)
| The Bat! Redirect
| AllegroMail Forward
| AllegroMail Redirect
| PocoMail Forward
| PocoMail Bounce
| Pegasus Mail Forward (all headers option not set)
| Calypso 3 Forward
| Becky! Forward
| Becky! Redirect
| 
| So the only mailers (tested) that do not have a forwarding option that
| will preserve headers are Outlook Express, AllegroMail, PocoMail and
| (Endymion's) Mailman.  Not too bad.
| 
| =Tony Meyer
| 
| _______________________________________________
| Spambayes mailing list
| Spambayes@python.org
| http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes

- Alex

From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri May 23 00:16:44 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu May 22 23:18:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <16077.36960.486158.231011@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCECJEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Skip]
> I thought Outlook 2000 was the version which got the most exercise.

I have three of those, and they all work fine (using CVS spambayes; I
haven't tried the binary installer yet).


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 14:38:13 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May 22 23:18:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A21@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> For other mail clients that use pop3 and imap, Tony Meyer did 
> a cursory test of about 25 clients.  I'm not sure what the scope
> of his testing was, or whether or not it exercised pop3proxy or
> smtpproxy, but his matrix appears somewhere in the archive...

The results appear in the docstring of smtpproxy.py.  Basically I was
testing whether a forwarded/bounced message would include the headers of
the original message or not.

This did mean that I was using pop3proxy and smtpproxy with all of them,
but apart from a few test messages in each, I didn't do any other
testing (although I did post an offer to the list to do other testing).
A note could be constructed listing all the clients that have been
tested, as long as it noted :) that testing has been limited.

I've since changed machines, so I don't have them all installed anymore.
I could run through them again, I suppose, if there was a reason to.

>From memory, none of them were any trouble to set up - the same old 'set
to localhost' instruction applied.  I didn't test with multiple
accounts, or anything like that, but again, it should work the same.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 16:09:34 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May 22 23:18:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Moved my spambayes folder and killed the plugin
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A9A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > And these:
> >       if self.manager.config.filter.enabled:
> >   AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'filter'
> 
> It sounds like the config is hosed.  Clearly it is a bug we 
> don't handle that gracefully, but I am not sure how it gets 
> so lost.  Try deleting the config pickle maybe (actually, 
> just move it away so we can try and recreate the error)

Bah.  I could have sworn that I did that already.  But I obediently
followed your instructions and lo and behold it fixed it.

If I manually load the pickle in PythonWin the __class__ of the created
object is "NoneType", so I gather that somehow I pickled None instead of
the config object.

I have no idea how things went so wrong!  I suppose there could be a
check when loading the config pickle to see if it is the correct type,
but I'm not sure it's worth it (how many people are going to do what I
did?)

Thanks for the help!

=Tony Meyer

From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri May 23 00:24:34 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu May 22 23:25:39 2003
Subject: Incremental training (was RE: [Spambayes] maybe a procmail
	question... )
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A82@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAECLEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Alex]
>> I then have incremental training as my third and fourth rules
>> (reinforcing SB's ham/spam decisions), then the memoing into
>> myriad folders.

[Meyer, Tony]
> Is there any consensus about whether incremental training is a good
> thing or bad thing?

I'm unclear on what incremental training means here.  When I use the phrase,
it means training on a few new msgs, adding to a trained database that
already exists.

> Given that I mostly use the Outlook plugin, I'veoften wondered how things
> would go if it automatically trained on mail it filters (apart from the
> unsures).
>
> I recall that there was discussion about this a long way back, but I
> don't remember seeing anything conclusive.

This is more like what I'd call self-training:  letting the classifier train
on its own decisions.  Rob Hooft and I both experimented with this and got
amazingly good results, contradicting the received wisdom in this area.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Thu May 22 19:25:19 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu May 22 23:30:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] List moeration
In-Reply-To: <16077.12882.255940.607868@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHAEOMFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Tim]
>     The number of times per day a harmless msg to this list is
>     sitting waiting for moderator approval has gotten out of
>     hand, so I've turned off list moderation here.  Maybe one
>     spam per day will come through now.
>

[skip@pobox.com]
> What's the term?  We now eat our own dog food?

Not yet -- we simply get an average of about one spam per day sent to this
list.  Nothing will stop it without moderation, because the SpamAssassin
settings for this list have effectively disabled SA (in the early days,
*most* of my posts to this list were blocked by SA, and simply because I
have a large penis <wink>).


From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri May 23 00:31:30 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu May 22 23:32:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] List moderation
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A56@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAECMEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Tony Meyer]
> Am I right in thinking that the reason the Spambayes project started
> was to create a filter for mailman?  (I'm sure I read that
> somewhere...)

That's right -- Barry Warsaw suckered me into this <wink>.  Since then, our
mutual employer has found things for us to do that try not to involve
Mailman or spambayes to the fullest extent of the law.

> If so, does this mean that mail to the list is filtered through
> Spambayes?

No, the whole Mailman connection remains unexplored.

> (Or is it filtered through anything else?)

python.org's highly tuned mix of Spamassassin and assorted scripts, hacks,
and magical potions.  SA is effectively castrated for this specific list,
because in the early days it kept blocking the meat of the discusssion.

> If it does get filtered, it would be interesting to know the stats.

In the dim past I ran large-scale tests of a single spambayes classifier
applied to all of python.org's non-personal traffic (mostly tech mailing
lists relating to Python and Zope, several of which are high-volume).  It
did great.  Nobody had (or has) time to deploy it for real, though.

> If it doesn't, then no-one on the list should have a problem, since
> our own copies should catch one measly spam per day.

At least after you train your classifier to stop thinking that the 500
header-line clues saying "this came from the spambayes list!" are strong ham
clues, yes.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 16:37:35 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May 22 23:38:48 2003
Subject: Incremental training (was RE: [Spambayes] maybe a
	procmailquestion... )
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3AB8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm unclear on what incremental training means here.  When I 
> use the phrase, it means training on a few new msgs, adding 
> to a trained database that already exists.

Good point.  I mean "self-training" then :)

> This is more like what I'd call self-training:  letting the 
> classifier train on its own decisions.  Rob Hooft and I both 
> experimented with this and got amazingly good results, 
> contradicting the received wisdom in this area.

I'm surprised you didn't push Mark to get the Outlook plugin to self
train :)  What method did you & Rob use to test this?  Is it something
that others could easily duplicate?

=Tony Meyer

From tim at fourstonesexpressions.com  Thu May 22 23:40:11 2003
From: tim at fourstonesexpressions.com (Tim Stone)
Date: Thu May 22 23:40:59 2003
Subject: Incremental training (was RE: [Spambayes] maybe a
	procmailquestion... )
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3AB8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3AB8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <oprplwg9ho34x2gn@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>

On Fri, 23 May 2003 15:37:35 +1200, Meyer, Tony <T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz> 
wrote:

> I'm surprised you didn't push Mark to get the Outlook plugin to self
> train :)  What method did you & Rob use to test this?  Is it something
> that others could easily duplicate?

It's a simple call to classifier.learn based upon the classification 
result....


c'est moi - TimS

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 15:11:10 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May 22 23:44:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] bug in binary installer
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A51@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I have a win2000 running outlook 2000 sr1 and I get the 
> following message  
> <<error.jpeg>> and the logs are as follows the first two time 
> the log was empty but the next two time I got the following 
> logs.  <<spambayes3.log>>  
> <<spambayes4.log>> 

This error is being tracked here:
[ 740198 ] Installation fails with regsvr error
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=740198&group_i
d=61702&atid=498103

For the moment, your only option is probably to install Python and use
the source.  Hopefully the binary due out in the next couple of weeks
will resolve this (and other) install problem(s).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 16:48:01 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May 22 23:49:13 2003
Subject: Incremental training (was RE: [Spambayes] maybe a
	procmailquestion... )
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3ACA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > I'm surprised you didn't push Mark to get the Outlook 
> plugin to self 
> > train :)  What method did you & Rob use to test this?  Is 
> it something 
> > that others could easily duplicate?
> 
> It's a simple call to classifier.learn based upon the classification 
> result....

Poor wording on my part.  My question wasn't how to do the
"self-training", but how Tim & Rob did their testing (given that it's
(the other) Tim, no doubt it was systematic and not just that it seemed
to do better :)

=Tony Meyer

From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Thu May 22 21:49:38 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Thu May 22 23:50:12 2003
Subject: Incremental training (was RE: [Spambayes] maybe a
	procmailquestion... ) 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Meyer, Tony" <T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz> of "Fri,
	23 May 2003 15:37:35 +1200."
	<1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3AB8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3AB8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> 
Message-ID: <20030523034938.157372DE9C@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3AB8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
             "Meyer, Tony" <T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz> writes:
>> I'm unclear on what incremental training means here.  When I=20
>> use the phrase, it means training on a few new msgs, adding=20
>> to a trained database that already exists.
>
>Good point.  I mean "self-training" then :)

By Tim's definition, I do self-training, with occasional manual
corrections as I notice things and refile.

>> This is more like what I'd call self-training:  letting the=20
>> classifier train on its own decisions.  Rob Hooft and I both=20
>> experimented with this and got amazingly good results,=20
>> contradicting the received wisdom in this area.
>
>I'm surprised you didn't push Mark to get the Outlook plugin to self
>train :)  What method did you & Rob use to test this?  Is it something
>that others could easily duplicate?

If you look in CVS, under the testtools directory, there's
incremental.HOWTO.txt detailing how I did some testing along
the self-training lines.  My scripts are there, too.  Enjoy.

- Alex

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 14:41:55 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Thu May 22 23:50:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Performance of CVS Outlook addin
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A27@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Brad]
> I don't think you can 'post correct' the hapaxes you already have
> in your wordlist, so unless you're willing to start 
> with an empty database I don't think there's anything you can do 
> about this.

[Skip]
> I can, but only because I keep all my training inputs.

I suspect most of those that contributed (or will) do keep mail.  (Those
people that would end up on a -devel list, basically).

Of the lists I gave, the one of my personal mail would include such
hapaxes, the training ones would not.  Let me know if you want a list
build with current cvs.

=Tony Meyer

From db3l at fitlinxx.com  Fri May 23 04:52:26 2003
From: db3l at fitlinxx.com (David Bolen)
Date: Thu May 22 23:52:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Trouble w/ Outlook buttons
References: <HAEDJDIOJCIHGMHKMEJAOENBCNAA.hadar@opticality.com>
	<LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOENIEGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <uznle3bry.fsf@fitlinxx.com>

Tim Peters <tim.one@comcast.net> writes:

> The attached came from a private correspondent.  I don't recognize the
> symptoms.  I urged them to open a bug report on SF, as I don't see anything
> particularly relevant there now.  I'm *assuming* they used the binary
> installer, and I don't know which version of Outlook or OS is in use.  Have
> asked for clarification.

In the past I managed to get this sort of scenario (multiple sets of
buttons while doing lots of installing/uninstalling of the add-in).
You sort of end up with a stranded set of buttons that aren't tied to
a current add-in installation.

I found that just using the Tools->Customize options, then selecting
the Standard toolbar under the Toolbars tab and choosing Reset cleared
out all of the SpamBayes related buttons.

The proper set of buttons (matching my currently registered add-in)
were then re-created when I next started Outlook as the addin loaded.

-- David


From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri May 23 00:56:27 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu May 22 23:57:32 2003
Subject: Incremental training (was RE: [Spambayes] maybe a
	procmailquestion... )
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3AB8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAECPEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Meyer, Tony]
> I'm surprised you didn't push Mark to get the Outlook plugin to self
> train :)  What method did you & Rob use to test this?  Is it something
> that others could easily duplicate?

It's in the archives ... somewhere <wink>.  It's dead easy in principle, and
not much harder in practics ... ah, TimS explained it more briefly than I
could (thanks, Tim!).

I think we lost interest in training strategies when real-life deployment
showed excellent results in a few days, and several long-time users stopped
paying any attention to training anymore.  My 3 DBs each have about 1000
msgs, and that's all.  I rarely train on anything anymore.  Every now and
again I blow a database away and start over, just to clear the boredom.
Every training strategy I've tried works fine, *except* for purely
mistake-based training from the very start.  In the two+ weeks I stuck to
that, I didn't get above 150 trained msgs total (against about 600 emails
per day), and the Unsures started and remained maddening (mostly blatant
spam).  That was highly hapax-driven, and hapaxes are brittle (they catch
near-duplicates of msgs you've trained on, but don't seem ever to
generalize).

So I can have a tiny database that's more than good enough to make me very
happy, or push Mark toward training on 600 emails a day and have a gigantic
database that wouldn't make me any happier.  This wasn't a hard choice
<wink>.


From mail at peterbe.com  Fri May 23 01:41:20 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Fri May 23 00:10:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors
In-Reply-To: <oprpk4v2un34x2gn@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030512151849.0223bd98@mail.grenna.net>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20030512151849.0223bd98@mail.grenna.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522222020.022b9d98@mail.grenna.net>

At 12:44 2003-05-22 -0500, Tim Stone wrote:
>On Mon, 12 May 2003 15:21:50 +0100, Peter Bengtsson <mail@peterbe.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Any ideas what this might mean or what I have done to deserve this?
>
>Well that's an interesting one... did you install bsddb3, or are you using 
>the default windows python 2.2 install?  If so, you're likely using 
>dumbdbm (the default dbm implementation) which is aptly named... I don't 
>know if this would be the problem or not, I use dumbdbm all the time, but 
>this clearly is a problem in the database side of things, and it's the 
>only thing I can think of right off hand...

Okey I will install this bsddb3 whatever it is. Is there anything else I 
need to do to get this going with my spambayes?
...
Now I've done that. Plus that I checked out spambayes from CVS. Now the 
pop3_proxy works a little bit better.

When I press the Save & Shutdown I get this error message:



500 Server error


Traceback (most recent call last):

   File "spambayes\Dibbler.py", line 398, in found_terminator
     getattr(plugin, name)(**params)

   File "spambayes\UserInterface.py", line 328, in onSave
     self._doSave()

   File "spambayes\UserInterface.py", line 321, in _doSave
     classifier.store()

   File "spambayes\storage.py", line 183, in store
     self.db[key] = val.__getstate__()

   File "spambayes\classifier.py", line 66, in __getstate__
     return (self.spamcount,

AttributeError: 'WordInfo' object has no attribute 'spamcount'





From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 22:05:22 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 00:10:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-742066 ] SpamBayes doesn't install
	properly
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Bugs item #742066, was opened at 2003-05-22 23:43
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Stephen Green (sgreen0)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: SpamBayes doesn't install properly

Initial Comment:
Intalling SpamBayes into Outlook 2000 running Win98 SE.

Installation seems to go fine.  But SpamBayes tools 
aren't available in Outlook.

Tools/Options/Other/Advanced Options/Com Addins 
shows the SpamBayes addin unchecked.  I check it, click 
OK, but when I return it is unchecked again.

There are errors in the log files, which I'm attaching.

Thanks for your help.

Stephen Green
Long Beach, CA

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Comment By: Rusty Carr (yetanotherrusty)
Date: 2003-05-23 04:05

Message:
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I get the same thing using Windows 98.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 21:55:20 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 00:11:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-741797 ] Does not filter incoming mail
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Bugs item #741797, was opened at 2003-05-22 10:22
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Kim Tracy (kimtracy)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Does not filter incoming mail

Initial Comment:
Does not actively filter incoming e-mails and leaves
Spam field empty.  Appears to properly filter mail when
doing a "filter now" and "delete as Spam" works fine. 
The log file is attached and it does contain several
error messages that may be of help.  This is the binary
version running on Win2K using outlook2000.

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>Comment By: Kim Tracy (kimtracy)
Date: 2003-05-22 22:55

Message:
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Yes, I now have several hundred certain spam that have been
trained into the DB and have the enable filtering box
ticked.  I also delete all certain spam by moving it to
deleted_items.  I don't do anything to the unsures (which is
what I would prefer).   I also have set up the folders to
filter.

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-22 21:17

Message:
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In the manager dialog, is the enable filtering box ticked?  
>From the log, when you first started you only had two spam - 
there needs to be at least 5 to enable filtering.  Later on you 
trained more spam, so there would be enough, but it doesn't 
show whether you enabled it or not.  (In addition, you need to 
set up which folder(s) to filter, which folder to deliver unsures 
to, and set the action to "move" or "copy" rather 
than "untouched").

Unfortunately the error messages in the log aren't of use; they 
are hangovers from the installer (that will be fixed in the next 
release).

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 15:00:28 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri May 23 00:12:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Experimental Ham/Spam imbalance setting
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A3F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Am I right in 
> thinking that pop3proxy has this parameter set to true?

No.  The Outlook plugin is the only app with a different set of
defaults, everything else uses what's in Options.py.  There it's set to
False.  (Unless he has a config file that sets it to True, of course).

> Is there any good view on whether the setting is a good thing 
> yet?

Mark tried to initiate a round of testing a little while back, but there
wasn't much in the way of response.  My fp went from 0% to 0.2% and fn
from 4% to 1% (h:s 6.8:1), which I call a loss.  Mark's fp went from
0.8% to 0.5% and fn from 0.4% to 0.6% (h:s 1:2.2).

All this really says is that we don't have enough data to make a call ;)

> (and AIUI, he'd need to retrain as well - is that right?)

No.  The database holds raw numbers of how many messages the token has
been seen in.  The adjustment only comes into effect when calculating
the score.  So the thing to do (although time consuming) would be to
score a message with the adjustment off, then change the setting,
rescore, and compare.

> Maybe the option should be exposed in the UI (but that may 
> not be sensible if changing it *does* require a retrain).

It would be a one line edit to add this to the pop3proxy ui (see, told
you that the options makeover was a good thing <wink>).  Does everyone
agree that it should be there?

> If it is, then the help could explain that this option is only 
> relevant if your database has unequal numbers of ham and 
> spam,

It does that.

> and what the disadvantages of each setting are (option 
> set = more unsures, less responsive to training; option unset = ???)

It doesn't do that.  I don't know that I would be comfortable writing
this; hopefully one of the stats-ier people would do it.

> If the option isn't exposed, I'd vote for taking it out. 
> We're not getting any useful new feedback that I'm aware of.

The trickiest thing here is that the Outlook users (who probably are a
majority now?) do use the option, while by default, the others don't.
We really need people to put in some time testing to see if it is worth
keeping or not.  If it is, I gather from (Tim P's?) comment in the code
that it can just be enabled for everyone.

=Tony Meyer

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 20:17:00 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 00:12:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-741797 ] Does not filter incoming mail
Message-ID: <E19J27A-0003cU-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #741797, was opened at 2003-05-23 03:22
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Kim Tracy (kimtracy)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Does not filter incoming mail

Initial Comment:
Does not actively filter incoming e-mails and leaves
Spam field empty.  Appears to properly filter mail when
doing a "filter now" and "delete as Spam" works fine. 
The log file is attached and it does contain several
error messages that may be of help.  This is the binary
version running on Win2K using outlook2000.

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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-23 14:17

Message:
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In the manager dialog, is the enable filtering box ticked?  
>From the log, when you first started you only had two spam - 
there needs to be at least 5 to enable filtering.  Later on you 
trained more spam, so there would be enough, but it doesn't 
show whether you enabled it or not.  (In addition, you need to 
set up which folder(s) to filter, which folder to deliver unsures 
to, and set the action to "move" or "copy" rather 
than "untouched").

Unfortunately the error messages in the log aren't of use; they 
are hangovers from the installer (that will be fixed in the next 
release).

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 20:09:47 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 00:12:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740198 ] Installation fails with
	regsvr error
Message-ID: <E19J20B-00060E-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740198, was opened at 2003-05-20 13:12
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Rob de Santos (rdesantos)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Installation fails with regsvr error

Initial Comment:
I'm trying to install SpamBayes into Outlook XP on 
Win98SE.  The install fails with a regsvr error.  
Attempts at manually registering the file also fail.  
Here's the log:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 10, in ?
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in 
importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", 
line 59, in ?
  
File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\genca
che.py", line 368, in EnsureModule
pywintypes.com_error: (-2147312566, 'Error 
loading type library/DLL.', None, None)
SystemError: PyErr_NormalizeException() called 
without exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 11, in ?
AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'OutlookAddin'

Any help?

Cheers,

Rob

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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-23 14:09

Message:
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>From the list:
"I have a win2000 running outlook 2000 sr1 and I get the 
following message  
<<error.jpeg>> and the logs are as follows the first two time 
the log was empty but the next two time I got the following 
logs.  <<spambayes3.log>>  
<<spambayes4.log>> 
David"

The jpeg was just a screenshot of the regsvr error.  Log3 is:
"Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 15, in DllRegisterServer
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\register.py", 
line 388, in RegisterClasses
IndexError: list index out of range"
and log4 is:
"warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, 
args, kwargs)
warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, 
args, kwargs)
warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, 
args, kwargs)
Unregistered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 22, in DllUnregisterServer
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 791, in 
UnregisterAddin
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named _winreg"

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-23 11:45

Message:
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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 19:27:43 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 00:13:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-742102 ] SpamBayes doesn't install
	properly
Message-ID: <E19J1LT-0001t2-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #742102, was opened at 2003-05-22 18:27
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Stephen Green (sgreen0)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: SpamBayes doesn't install properly

Initial Comment:
Intalling SpamBayes into Outlook 2000 running Win98 SE.

Installation seems to go fine.  But SpamBayes tools 
aren't available in Outlook.

Tools/Options/Other/Advanced Options/Com Addins 
shows the SpamBayes addin unchecked.  I check it, click 
OK, but when I return it is unchecked again.

There are errors in the log files, which I'm attaching.

Thanks for your help.

Stephen Green
Long Beach, CA

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 17:45:40 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 00:14:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740198 ] Installation fails with
	regsvr error
Message-ID: <E19Izki-0002Dg-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740198, was opened at 2003-05-20 11:12
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Rob de Santos (rdesantos)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Installation fails with regsvr error

Initial Comment:
I'm trying to install SpamBayes into Outlook XP on 
Win98SE.  The install fails with a regsvr error.  
Attempts at manually registering the file also fail.  
Here's the log:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 10, in ?
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in 
importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", 
line 59, in ?
  
File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\genca
che.py", line 368, in EnsureModule
pywintypes.com_error: (-2147312566, 'Error 
loading type library/DLL.', None, None)
SystemError: PyErr_NormalizeException() called 
without exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 11, in ?
AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'OutlookAddin'

Any help?

Cheers,

Rob

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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-23 09:45

Message:
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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 17:45:15 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 00:14:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-741914 ] Unable to Register DLL Error
Message-ID: <E19IzkJ-0002DG-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #741914, was opened at 2003-05-23 04:26
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Category: None
Group: None
>Status: Closed
>Resolution: Duplicate
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Gary Thomas (garyt977)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Unable to Register DLL Error

Initial Comment:
I'm running WinXP and Office 2000 Professional.  When I
attempt to install the binary version on my system I
get the following error:

----
C:\Program files\Spambayes Outlook
Addin\Spambayes_addin.dll

Unable to register the DLL/OCX:DllRegister failed:code
0x00000000

Abort, Retry, Fail
----

After searching my hard drive, I was unable to find a
log file for this program.

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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-23 09:45

Message:
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Dupe of
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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 17:43:55 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 00:15:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-742066 ] SpamBayes doesn't install
	properly
Message-ID: <E19Izj1-0007B7-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #742066, was opened at 2003-05-22 16:43
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Stephen Green (sgreen0)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: SpamBayes doesn't install properly

Initial Comment:
Intalling SpamBayes into Outlook 2000 running Win98 SE.

Installation seems to go fine.  But SpamBayes tools 
aren't available in Outlook.

Tools/Options/Other/Advanced Options/Com Addins 
shows the SpamBayes addin unchecked.  I check it, click 
OK, but when I return it is unchecked again.

There are errors in the log files, which I'm attaching.

Thanks for your help.

Stephen Green
Long Beach, CA

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 17:40:22 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 00:15:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-712480 ] Outlook 2002 (XP)
	installation fails
Message-ID: <E19Izfa-00076x-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #712480, was opened at 2003-03-31 15:47
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Paul Marrero (pmarrero)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook 2002 (XP) installation fails

Initial Comment:
I use office XP with the Outlook client.  It appears that 
the registration was successfull but I cannnot find any 
menu buttons.  XP clipboard does appear to have the 
Icons.  The command line train works.  Not sure where 
to go from here.  

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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-23 09:40

Message:
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user_id=14198

*sob* - so it certainly fails with Outlook SP2 here?  

ecvogel - is your traceback identical to this one?

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Comment By: Eric C. Vogel (ecvogel)
Date: 2003-05-23 05:20

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=784818

Same here. Outlook XP all SP and patches, WIn XP Pro SP1 
all patches. The file is registered and in the COM and has the 
check. Exchange Server 2000 all SP and patches on SBS 
2kSP-1 all patches. 002 install

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Comment By: Steve McCullough (sm5669)
Date: 2003-05-20 08:24

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=782446

Same here.  Outlook 2002 on Win2000 with all the latest SPs 
and patches applied.  Log file...

warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, 
args, kwargs)
warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, 
args, kwargs)
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\PYTHON32\lib\site-
packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, args, 
None, None)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\PYTHON32\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwargs, 
serviceProvider)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\PYTHON32\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, dispid, lcid, 
wFlags, args, kwArgs, serviceProvider)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\PYTHON32\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 654, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 15, 
in ?
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 86, 
in ?
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
exceptions.ImportError: No module named win32com.mapi


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Comment By: Tormod Hystad (thystad)
Date: 2003-05-16 17:27

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=780089

Exactly same as Nick here. Win2003 RC2, Outlook XP 
(Norwegian, version 10.2627.4219 SP2, configured with one 
Exchange (Standard) email acount) and the 002 install 
package.

Thanks,
Tormod

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Comment By: Nick Trautmann (nicktrautmann)
Date: 2003-05-12 18:15

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Similar here:

pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 156, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 71, 
in import_core_spambayes_stuff
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\spambayes\tokenizer.py", line 659, 
in ?
exceptions.AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no 
attribute 'skip_max_word_size'
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\Nick\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 156, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 71, 
in import_core_spambayes_stuff
exceptions.ImportError: cannot import name tokenize

Thanks
Nick


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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-04-01 12:48

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Actually, I get this too.  I've just switched to Outlook XP, so 
I'm not sure if this is the reason, or just that I'm doing a fresh 
install.  The log includes the following traces:

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Failed to load bayes database
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 310, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\tameyer\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Either bayes database or message database is missing - 
creating new
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 165, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 329, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 378, 
in InitNewBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 94, 
in new_bayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
exceptions.AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Failed to load bayes database
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 310, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\tameyer\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Either bayes database or message database is missing - 
creating new
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 165, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 329, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 378, 
in InitNewBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 94, 
in new_bayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
exceptions.AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'


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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-03-31 16:05

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Which version of the Outlook plugin are you using?  (a) the 
latest CVS, (b) the 001 stand-alone installer, or (c) the 002 
stand-alone installer?  I know that the 001 installer has been 
known to have this problem (although it appeared to be fixed 
in 002).

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From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 00:16:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740893 ] failure to install
Message-ID: <E19IyfQ-0004OQ-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740893, was opened at 2003-05-20 21:44
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Jack Steiner (steinman1950)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: failure to install

Initial Comment:
Attempted install of binary version on W98 machine 
running Outlook2000.  Did install and uninstall twice.  
As directed by the troubleshooting guide, checked 
the COM Add-ins - Spambayes was listed but not 
checked.  I checked it, closed the dialog box, 
reopened the dialog box and it was not checked 
again.  I ran regsvr32.exe but got an error.  This 
may be similar to ID #725449.

Jack Steiner
502-228-8110
jack@steiner.win.net

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Comment By: Stephen Green (sgreen0)
Date: 2003-05-22 15:36

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I am also having the same problem.  After install, the 
Spambayes tools aren't available in Outlook 2000 (with Win98 
SE).  In Tools/Options/Other/Advanced Options/Com Addins 
the Spmbayes add-in appears but in unchecked.  No effort on 
my part can cause the add-in to remain checked.  As soon as 
I click OK, I can go back to Com Addins and it is unchecked 
again.

Stephen



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Comment By: David Sloane (goofanasia)
Date: 2003-05-22 15:26

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I experienced similar behavior on Windows XP SP1 with
Outlook 2002  SP2.

The install went fine.  On first opening Outlook, the
toolbar items displayed, and then Outlook crashed.

When I opened Outlook a second time, same behavior.

Third time opening Outlook - no SpamBayes buttons and the
COM AddIn item was un-checked.  Since then, it won't remain
checked.

I've uninstalled and reinstalled SpamBayes twice, but the
buttons haven't appeared and the checking the check-box
doesn't seem to 'stick.'

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Comment By: George Heidenrich (gheidenr)
Date: 2003-05-22 14:28

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Same problem and results as Jack and radesai.  Removed  
the unchecked add-in at 
Outlook|Tools|Options|Other|Advanced Options|COM 
Add-Ins, then attempted to add it again.  Received the 
following Outlook Error:
OUTLOOK caused an invalid page fault in
module PYTHON23.DLL at 0177:1e03ff78.
Registers:
EAX=505c3a43 CS=0177 EIP=1e03ff78 
EFLGS=00010246
EBX=005a3b70 SS=017f ESP=0056b930 EBP=1e0b8ec0
ECX=005fdc70 DS=017f ESI=005fdc70 FS=6527
EDX=00735cf0 ES=017f EDI=1e03ff70 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
8b 48 54 f6 c5 40 74 1f 8b 80 a4 00 00 00 85 c0 
Stack dump:
00000000 1e0352fd 005fdc70 00000000 1e0b8ea8 
005a3b60 00000002 005f4da0 00000020 1e03ff5d 
005fdc70 1e03ff70 00000000 1e0b8ea8 00000001 
1e03fd38 

George Heidenrich
gheidenr@bestweb.net

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Comment By: Ravil A. Desai (radesai)
Date: 2003-05-22 11:57

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I am getting the same error. I had it installed and it worked 
fine for a day or two. Now, it has stopped working and I get 
the same errors. I didn't make sense to recreate another bug. 
I removed and reinstalled, but that did not fix the problem.

Thanks
radesai


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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 22:15:24 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 00:16:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-742102 ] SpamBayes doesn't install
	properly
Message-ID: <E19J3xk-0000La-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #742102, was opened at 2003-05-23 13:27
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Closed
>Resolution: Duplicate
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Stephen Green (sgreen0)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: SpamBayes doesn't install properly

Initial Comment:
Intalling SpamBayes into Outlook 2000 running Win98 SE.

Installation seems to go fine.  But SpamBayes tools 
aren't available in Outlook.

Tools/Options/Other/Advanced Options/Com Addins 
shows the SpamBayes addin unchecked.  I check it, click 
OK, but when I return it is unchecked again.

There are errors in the log files, which I'm attaching.

Thanks for your help.

Stephen Green
Long Beach, CA

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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-23 16:15

Message:
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user_id=552329

Duplicate of [ 725449 ] Binary plugin fails on Win9x

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 16:26:23 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 00:16:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740893 ] failure to install
Message-ID: <E19IyVz-00080Y-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740893, was opened at 2003-05-21 04:44
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Jack Steiner (steinman1950)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: failure to install

Initial Comment:
Attempted install of binary version on W98 machine 
running Outlook2000.  Did install and uninstall twice.  
As directed by the troubleshooting guide, checked 
the COM Add-ins - Spambayes was listed but not 
checked.  I checked it, closed the dialog box, 
reopened the dialog box and it was not checked 
again.  I ran regsvr32.exe but got an error.  This 
may be similar to ID #725449.

Jack Steiner
502-228-8110
jack@steiner.win.net

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Comment By: David Sloane (goofanasia)
Date: 2003-05-22 22:26

Message:
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I experienced similar behavior on Windows XP SP1 with
Outlook 2002  SP2.

The install went fine.  On first opening Outlook, the
toolbar items displayed, and then Outlook crashed.

When I opened Outlook a second time, same behavior.

Third time opening Outlook - no SpamBayes buttons and the
COM AddIn item was un-checked.  Since then, it won't remain
checked.

I've uninstalled and reinstalled SpamBayes twice, but the
buttons haven't appeared and the checking the check-box
doesn't seem to 'stick.'

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Comment By: George Heidenrich (gheidenr)
Date: 2003-05-22 21:28

Message:
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Same problem and results as Jack and radesai.  Removed  
the unchecked add-in at 
Outlook|Tools|Options|Other|Advanced Options|COM 
Add-Ins, then attempted to add it again.  Received the 
following Outlook Error:
OUTLOOK caused an invalid page fault in
module PYTHON23.DLL at 0177:1e03ff78.
Registers:
EAX=505c3a43 CS=0177 EIP=1e03ff78 
EFLGS=00010246
EBX=005a3b70 SS=017f ESP=0056b930 EBP=1e0b8ec0
ECX=005fdc70 DS=017f ESI=005fdc70 FS=6527
EDX=00735cf0 ES=017f EDI=1e03ff70 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
8b 48 54 f6 c5 40 74 1f 8b 80 a4 00 00 00 85 c0 
Stack dump:
00000000 1e0352fd 005fdc70 00000000 1e0b8ea8 
005a3b60 00000002 005f4da0 00000020 1e03ff5d 
005fdc70 1e03ff70 00000000 1e0b8ea8 00000001 
1e03fd38 

George Heidenrich
gheidenr@bestweb.net

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Comment By: Ravil A. Desai (radesai)
Date: 2003-05-22 18:57

Message:
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I am getting the same error. I had it installed and it worked 
fine for a day or two. Now, it has stopped working and I get 
the same errors. I didn't make sense to recreate another bug. 
I removed and reinstalled, but that did not fix the problem.

Thanks
radesai


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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 22:18:34 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 00:19:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-742066 ] SpamBayes doesn't install
	properly
Message-ID: <E19J40o-0000RM-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #742066, was opened at 2003-05-23 11:43
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Closed
>Resolution: Duplicate
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Stephen Green (sgreen0)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: SpamBayes doesn't install properly

Initial Comment:
Intalling SpamBayes into Outlook 2000 running Win98 SE.

Installation seems to go fine.  But SpamBayes tools 
aren't available in Outlook.

Tools/Options/Other/Advanced Options/Com Addins 
shows the SpamBayes addin unchecked.  I check it, click 
OK, but when I return it is unchecked again.

There are errors in the log files, which I'm attaching.

Thanks for your help.

Stephen Green
Long Beach, CA

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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-23 16:18

Message:
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user_id=552329

(Yet another) Duplicate of [ 725449 ] Binary plugin fails on 
Win9x

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Comment By: Rusty Carr (yetanotherrusty)
Date: 2003-05-23 16:05

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I get the same thing using Windows 98.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 22:19:02 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 00:19:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-741797 ] Does not filter incoming mail
Message-ID: <E19J41G-0001Ry-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #741797, was opened at 2003-05-23 01:22
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Kim Tracy (kimtracy)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Does not filter incoming mail

Initial Comment:
Does not actively filter incoming e-mails and leaves
Spam field empty.  Appears to properly filter mail when
doing a "filter now" and "delete as Spam" works fine. 
The log file is attached and it does contain several
error messages that may be of help.  This is the binary
version running on Win2K using outlook2000.

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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-23 14:19

Message:
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Cute - I left "Delete" out as an option on purpose - I
didn't think of setting it to move to "Deleted Items" :)

Can you please find a newer log file, and attach it?  I see
strange exceptions, but not ones that would relate to filtering.

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Comment By: Kim Tracy (kimtracy)
Date: 2003-05-23 13:55

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Yes, I now have several hundred certain spam that have been
trained into the DB and have the enable filtering box
ticked.  I also delete all certain spam by moving it to
deleted_items.  I don't do anything to the unsures (which is
what I would prefer).   I also have set up the folders to
filter.

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-23 12:17

Message:
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In the manager dialog, is the enable filtering box ticked?  
>From the log, when you first started you only had two spam - 
there needs to be at least 5 to enable filtering.  Later on you 
trained more spam, so there would be enough, but it doesn't 
show whether you enabled it or not.  (In addition, you need to 
set up which folder(s) to filter, which folder to deliver unsures 
to, and set the action to "move" or "copy" rather 
than "untouched").

Unfortunately the error messages in the log aren't of use; they 
are hangovers from the installer (that will be fixed in the next 
release).

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 22:20:17 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 00:20:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-741797 ] Does not filter incoming mail
Message-ID: <E19J42T-0001Up-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #741797, was opened at 2003-05-22 10:22
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Kim Tracy (kimtracy)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Does not filter incoming mail

Initial Comment:
Does not actively filter incoming e-mails and leaves
Spam field empty.  Appears to properly filter mail when
doing a "filter now" and "delete as Spam" works fine. 
The log file is attached and it does contain several
error messages that may be of help.  This is the binary
version running on Win2K using outlook2000.

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>Comment By: Kim Tracy (kimtracy)
Date: 2003-05-22 23:20

Message:
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It appears to be working at the moment--I sent the uncertain
mail to a folder as well and made sure I was pointing to the
correct inbox.  Thanks for the help--it seems to categorize
very well given a relatively small amount of training.

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-22 23:19

Message:
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Cute - I left "Delete" out as an option on purpose - I
didn't think of setting it to move to "Deleted Items" :)

Can you please find a newer log file, and attach it?  I see
strange exceptions, but not ones that would relate to filtering.

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Comment By: Kim Tracy (kimtracy)
Date: 2003-05-22 22:55

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=784661

Yes, I now have several hundred certain spam that have been
trained into the DB and have the enable filtering box
ticked.  I also delete all certain spam by moving it to
deleted_items.  I don't do anything to the unsures (which is
what I would prefer).   I also have set up the folders to
filter.

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-22 21:17

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

In the manager dialog, is the enable filtering box ticked?  
>From the log, when you first started you only had two spam - 
there needs to be at least 5 to enable filtering.  Later on you 
trained more spam, so there would be enough, but it doesn't 
show whether you enabled it or not.  (In addition, you need to 
set up which folder(s) to filter, which folder to deliver unsures 
to, and set the action to "move" or "copy" rather 
than "untouched").

Unfortunately the error messages in the log aren't of use; they 
are hangovers from the installer (that will be fixed in the next 
release).

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 22:21:13 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 00:21:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740893 ] failure to install
Message-ID: <E19J43N-0000W7-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740893, was opened at 2003-05-21 16:44
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Jack Steiner (steinman1950)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: failure to install

Initial Comment:
Attempted install of binary version on W98 machine 
running Outlook2000.  Did install and uninstall twice.  
As directed by the troubleshooting guide, checked 
the COM Add-ins - Spambayes was listed but not 
checked.  I checked it, closed the dialog box, 
reopened the dialog box and it was not checked 
again.  I ran regsvr32.exe but got an error.  This 
may be similar to ID #725449.

Jack Steiner
502-228-8110
jack@steiner.win.net

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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-23 16:21

Message:
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user_id=552329

Note that for the most part this is a duplicate of 
[ 725449 ] Binary plugin fails on Win9x

However, the two people that had it working and then has 
problems have (presumably) a different problem.  Maybe their 
comments ought to be moved into a separate bug.

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Comment By: Stephen Green (sgreen0)
Date: 2003-05-23 10:36

Message:
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user_id=784968

I am also having the same problem.  After install, the 
Spambayes tools aren't available in Outlook 2000 (with Win98 
SE).  In Tools/Options/Other/Advanced Options/Com Addins 
the Spmbayes add-in appears but in unchecked.  No effort on 
my part can cause the add-in to remain checked.  As soon as 
I click OK, I can go back to Com Addins and it is unchecked 
again.

Stephen



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Comment By: David Sloane (goofanasia)
Date: 2003-05-23 10:26

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=240438

I experienced similar behavior on Windows XP SP1 with
Outlook 2002  SP2.

The install went fine.  On first opening Outlook, the
toolbar items displayed, and then Outlook crashed.

When I opened Outlook a second time, same behavior.

Third time opening Outlook - no SpamBayes buttons and the
COM AddIn item was un-checked.  Since then, it won't remain
checked.

I've uninstalled and reinstalled SpamBayes twice, but the
buttons haven't appeared and the checking the check-box
doesn't seem to 'stick.'

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Comment By: George Heidenrich (gheidenr)
Date: 2003-05-23 09:28

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=784929

Same problem and results as Jack and radesai.  Removed  
the unchecked add-in at 
Outlook|Tools|Options|Other|Advanced Options|COM 
Add-Ins, then attempted to add it again.  Received the 
following Outlook Error:
OUTLOOK caused an invalid page fault in
module PYTHON23.DLL at 0177:1e03ff78.
Registers:
EAX=505c3a43 CS=0177 EIP=1e03ff78 
EFLGS=00010246
EBX=005a3b70 SS=017f ESP=0056b930 EBP=1e0b8ec0
ECX=005fdc70 DS=017f ESI=005fdc70 FS=6527
EDX=00735cf0 ES=017f EDI=1e03ff70 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
8b 48 54 f6 c5 40 74 1f 8b 80 a4 00 00 00 85 c0 
Stack dump:
00000000 1e0352fd 005fdc70 00000000 1e0b8ea8 
005a3b60 00000002 005f4da0 00000020 1e03ff5d 
005fdc70 1e03ff70 00000000 1e0b8ea8 00000001 
1e03fd38 

George Heidenrich
gheidenr@bestweb.net

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Comment By: Ravil A. Desai (radesai)
Date: 2003-05-23 06:57

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=753768

I am getting the same error. I had it installed and it worked 
fine for a day or two. Now, it has stopped working and I get 
the same errors. I didn't make sense to recreate another bug. 
I removed and reinstalled, but that did not fix the problem.

Thanks
radesai


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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 22:26:08 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 00:26:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-741797 ] Does not filter incoming mail
Message-ID: <E19J488-0000fd-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #741797, was opened at 2003-05-23 03:22
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by anadelonbrin
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Kim Tracy (kimtracy)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Does not filter incoming mail

Initial Comment:
Does not actively filter incoming e-mails and leaves
Spam field empty.  Appears to properly filter mail when
doing a "filter now" and "delete as Spam" works fine. 
The log file is attached and it does contain several
error messages that may be of help.  This is the binary
version running on Win2K using outlook2000.

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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-23 16:26

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Was it pointing at the wrong inbox?  It's an interesting point 
that the inbox that is the default choice (Outlook's default, I 
think) might be the wrong one, and confuse people that have 
another folder called inbox.  Not sure what could be done 
about that (apart from docs).

If the solution was setting the uncertain folder, then there 
might be a problem.  You should be able to have unsures be 
untouched, and still filter certains.  I know I've never run it in 
this configuration, though (Mark might have).

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Comment By: Kim Tracy (kimtracy)
Date: 2003-05-23 16:20

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=784661

It appears to be working at the moment--I sent the uncertain
mail to a folder as well and made sure I was pointing to the
correct inbox.  Thanks for the help--it seems to categorize
very well given a relatively small amount of training.

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-23 16:19

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Cute - I left "Delete" out as an option on purpose - I
didn't think of setting it to move to "Deleted Items" :)

Can you please find a newer log file, and attach it?  I see
strange exceptions, but not ones that would relate to filtering.

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Comment By: Kim Tracy (kimtracy)
Date: 2003-05-23 15:55

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=784661

Yes, I now have several hundred certain spam that have been
trained into the DB and have the enable filtering box
ticked.  I also delete all certain spam by moving it to
deleted_items.  I don't do anything to the unsures (which is
what I would prefer).   I also have set up the folders to
filter.

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-23 14:17

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

In the manager dialog, is the enable filtering box ticked?  
>From the log, when you first started you only had two spam - 
there needs to be at least 5 to enable filtering.  Later on you 
trained more spam, so there would be enough, but it doesn't 
show whether you enabled it or not.  (In addition, you need to 
set up which folder(s) to filter, which folder to deliver unsures 
to, and set the action to "move" or "copy" rather 
than "untouched").

Unfortunately the error messages in the log aren't of use; they 
are hangovers from the installer (that will be fixed in the next 
release).

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From director at bigguymedia.com  Thu May 22 23:30:40 2003
From: director at bigguymedia.com (Director)
Date: Fri May 23 00:30:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000 on XP, installed Python and killed add-in
Message-ID: <21631E523BEBD41197FC0020AFCF88F613735D@dsl-mr-207-34-113-i59-cgy.nucleus.com>

Hello, 

If anyone has any thoughts on my situation I would appreciate the feedback. 

I am running WinXP with outlook 2000, Today in the course of setting up
WINCVS I installed python. Subsequently my Spambayes add-in stopped working.


I have corrected it by removing python and reinstalling the add-in but am
curious why this should occur and how to remedy it so  I can install python
on this machine in future.



Russ Cann, Director
BigBlogTool
www.bigblogtool.com
mailto: director@bigblogtool.com

"Kick Ass Web Publishing"


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 22:32:10 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 00:32:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-741797 ] Does not filter incoming mail
Message-ID: <E19J4Dy-0000pB-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #741797, was opened at 2003-05-22 10:22
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by kimtracy
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Kim Tracy (kimtracy)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Does not filter incoming mail

Initial Comment:
Does not actively filter incoming e-mails and leaves
Spam field empty.  Appears to properly filter mail when
doing a "filter now" and "delete as Spam" works fine. 
The log file is attached and it does contain several
error messages that may be of help.  This is the binary
version running on Win2K using outlook2000.

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>Comment By: Kim Tracy (kimtracy)
Date: 2003-05-22 23:32

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=784661

I did both (make sure I had the right inbox & put unsure in
'Deleted Items" as well).

In my case, I needed to filter incoming mail from an IMAP
inbox, which I would think is a fairly common case.  I would
have preferred no presets or having a full path name for the
folder so that I could easily tell which it was pointing to.
 Having the wrong inbox, was likely the problem.

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-22 23:26

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Was it pointing at the wrong inbox?  It's an interesting point 
that the inbox that is the default choice (Outlook's default, I 
think) might be the wrong one, and confuse people that have 
another folder called inbox.  Not sure what could be done 
about that (apart from docs).

If the solution was setting the uncertain folder, then there 
might be a problem.  You should be able to have unsures be 
untouched, and still filter certains.  I know I've never run it in 
this configuration, though (Mark might have).

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Comment By: Kim Tracy (kimtracy)
Date: 2003-05-22 23:20

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=784661

It appears to be working at the moment--I sent the uncertain
mail to a folder as well and made sure I was pointing to the
correct inbox.  Thanks for the help--it seems to categorize
very well given a relatively small amount of training.

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-22 23:19

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Cute - I left "Delete" out as an option on purpose - I
didn't think of setting it to move to "Deleted Items" :)

Can you please find a newer log file, and attach it?  I see
strange exceptions, but not ones that would relate to filtering.

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Comment By: Kim Tracy (kimtracy)
Date: 2003-05-22 22:55

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=784661

Yes, I now have several hundred certain spam that have been
trained into the DB and have the enable filtering box
ticked.  I also delete all certain spam by moving it to
deleted_items.  I don't do anything to the unsures (which is
what I would prefer).   I also have set up the folders to
filter.

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-22 21:17

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

In the manager dialog, is the enable filtering box ticked?  
>From the log, when you first started you only had two spam - 
there needs to be at least 5 to enable filtering.  Later on you 
trained more spam, so there would be enough, but it doesn't 
show whether you enabled it or not.  (In addition, you need to 
set up which folder(s) to filter, which folder to deliver unsures 
to, and set the action to "move" or "copy" rather 
than "untouched").

Unfortunately the error messages in the log aren't of use; they 
are hangovers from the installer (that will be fixed in the next 
release).

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From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 22 16:01:25 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri May 23 00:58:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] maybe a procmail question...
In-Reply-To: <20030522112227.B15578@asu.edu>
References: <20030522112227.B15578@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <16077.11413.132694.442158@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    David> Since I'm loving spambayes, I'm wondering about how soon its
    David> procmail rule fires.  Should the hammie lines

    David> # spam beyes filter 
    David> :0 fw:hamlock 
    David> | /usr/bin/hammie.py -f -d -p $HOME/.hammiedb

    David> be the FIRST rule in .procmailrc?  

Yes, as early as possible.  The start of my .procmailrc file looks about
like this.  The only thing which appears ahead of my hammiefilter rule is a
procmail rule to eliminate duplicate message ids:

    FORMAIL=/usr/bin/formail
    HAMMIE=$HOME/local/bin/hammiefilter.py
    BAYESCUSTOMIZE=$HOME/hammie.opt

    # make sure we don't get two copies of the same message
    :0 Wh: msgid.lock
    | $FORMAIL -D 16384 $HOME/tmp/msgid.cache

    :0 fw:ham.lock
    | $HAMMIE -d $HOME/hammie.db

At this point, I then check the spam classification header:

:0
* ^X-Spambayes-Classification: spam
{
    ### segregate spam by score - need not do this, but false positives are
    ### much more likely to be at the bottom end of the range.  Save 0.99
    ### and 1.00 scores into a separate spam file which is scanned less
    ### frequently
    :0:
    * ^X-Spambayes-Classification: spam; (0.99|1.00)
    spam1

    :0:
    spam
}

    David> so, this may be more of a procmail question -- is rule order
    David> significant?

Oh yeah...

Skip

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 14:32:40 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri May 23 00:58:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Usage on XP version of Outlook
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A19@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I just wanted you to know that I have installed and it runs
> great.  I do have a question about the filter button on the 
> Xp version of outlook.  After using the train mode and 
> setting the filters.  The enable filter button is grayed out, 
> not available.  Haven't had this problem on 2000 outlook.  Is 
> this a problem?  Does it still run automatically?

You need to have done these things to enable that button:
 * Trained at least 5 ham and 5 spam
 * Set at least one folder to watch
 * Set folders to move spam to, and to move unsures to
 * Changed the action to "copy" or "move", rather than "untouched"

If you've done all of these, and it's still greyed out, then this is a
bug (or I missed something ;), and you should definitely report it.

=Tony Meyer

From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 22 16:25:54 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri May 23 01:03:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] List moeration
In-Reply-To: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHEEOEFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <E53C5C383912D511BB0F00508BB80B9A0475AA4E@exbhbhmb06.us.dnb.com>
	<BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHEEOEFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16077.12882.255940.607868@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tim> The number of times per day a harmless msg to this list is sitting
    Tim> waiting for moderator approval has gotten out of hand, so I've
    Tim> turned off list moderation here.  Maybe one spam per day will come
    Tim> through now. 

What's the term?  We now eat our own dog food?

Skip

From bud.shepherd at countrysidefamily.com  Thu May 22 16:12:31 2003
From: bud.shepherd at countrysidefamily.com (Bud Shepherd)
Date: Fri May 23 01:04:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Exchange
Message-ID: <509D9723B069154EB5B353EA8A08F77D01243D@mail.countrysidefamily.com>

We have Outlook 2000 connecting to an Exchange 2000 server. Will spambayes work for us?
 
From mll at usa.net  Thu May 22 14:46:16 2003
From: mll at usa.net (Mike Liveright)
Date: Fri May 23 01:05:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] I am corrently using SAproxy
Message-ID: <003301c320a3$3157c6a0$6501a8c0@mike>

I am using Outlook Express and loaded, and am reasonably happy with SAproxy, though I assume that in a while I will need to get a
more adaptable system.

I think that both you and they are based on Bayes logic, and I hope that you can point me to some comparison on the logics.

I suspect that I will want to pay for a more user friendly system in a while with lots of extra features as time proceeds.

Can you also tell me when, if ever, I can look forward to a SpamBayes system that I can use with Outlook Express, or other mail
programs.

What I imagine is that there might be a way of Copy/Pasting (Spam or Ham)  to SpamBayes if it is too difficult to read folder
contents, or if I prefer to tell SpamBayes what I want to use to train it.

If you want more suggestions, based on SAproxy, or if you are talking to a developer who is thinking about offering a commercial
version and is interested in Beta testers, please tell me...

Mike Liveright                           260 Byron Street.
   mll@usa.net                           Palo Alto, CA 94301
   http://www.WeMatter.com    (650) 323-2028



From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 13:16:40 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri May 23 01:08:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB39C7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> [skip@pobox.com]
> > If you use (or have tried unsuccessfully to use) the Outlook plugin 
> > with any version of Windows, please take a look at
> >
> >     http://spambayes.sf.net/windows.html
> >
> > and help me fill in empty cells in the table.

[Tim Peters]
> The current binary installer is known not to work on Win98 
> and WinME. Installing from CVS is known to work on Win98.

This is with Outlook 2000 or 2002, right?  The table currently has
Outlook 2000 working, which I don't think is the case.  If I was sure,
I'd change it, but I'm not so...

I think that the Win98(etc) rows should both be "1.0a2 source or CVS
works, installer 002 fails".

Note that this is only from observation of messages on the list; I
haven't gone near Win98 for years.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 18:08:13 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri May 23 01:10:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Exchange
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3B29@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> We have Outlook 2000 connecting to an Exchange 2000 server. 
> Will spambayes work for us?

It should do, yes.  There haven't been any problems reported using that
combination.

All you need is the binary installer, which you can get from:
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/download.html

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 18:06:53 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri May 23 01:11:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Compatibility matrix
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3B27@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Done.  Should I drop the Win95 column as well?  Nobody seems 
> to be running that.  Would Outlook 2000 or XP even run on it? 

Outlook 2000 will; no idea about XP.  You might as well keep it there so
that any potential win95 users can see that it's untested.

>  You don't support any older versions of Outlook do you?

No.

What's the story with the auto-reply text?  The barrage of identical
Outlook plugin problems is starting to be overwhelming...(not that the
auto-reply will necessarily solve these).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 18:12:14 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri May 23 01:14:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000 on XP, installed Python and killed add-in
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3B2B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I am running WinXP with outlook 2000, Today in the course of 
> setting up WINCVS I installed python. Subsequently my 
> Spambayes add-in stopped working.

Does this strike anyone else as amusing?  :)

Can you provide some more details?  Which version of Python did you
install?  In the troubleshooting.html file that should have been
installed with the plugin, there are instructions about how to find the
log file.  If there's anything in the log, it would be useful to see
this, too.

The list is pretty busy at the moment - you also might want to add this
as a bug (http://sf.net/projects/spambayes), since it does seem to be
something we haven't come across before.

=Tony Meyer

From sgeers at deltanet.com  Thu May 22 23:15:28 2003
From: sgeers at deltanet.com (Steve and Suvan Geer)
Date: Fri May 23 01:15:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Will not Load Into Outlook 2000
Message-ID: <3ECDAE70.4000200@deltanet.com>

I cannot get the COM Add-Ins to find SpamBayes.  I have downloaded 3 
times and uninstalled/installed 5 times.  Attaached is the log file.

Thanks,

Steve Geer
-------------- next part --------------
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 141, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 182, in LocateDataDirectory
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\ntpath.py", line 269, in isdir
exceptions.LookupError: no codec search functions registered: can't find encoding
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 141, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 182, in LocateDataDirectory
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\ntpath.py", line 269, in isdir
exceptions.LookupError: no codec search functions registered: can't find encoding
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 141, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 182, in LocateDataDirectory
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\ntpath.py", line 269, in isdir
exceptions.LookupError: no codec search functions registered: can't find encoding
From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 18:18:01 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri May 23 01:19:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Will not Load Into Outlook 2000
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3B31@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I cannot get the COM Add-Ins to find SpamBayes.  I have downloaded 3 
> times and uninstalled/installed 5 times.  Attached is the log file.

This is being tracked here:
[ 725449 ] Binary plugin fails on Win9x
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=725449&group_i
d=61702&atid=498103

At the moment the only solution is to install Python and use a source
release (alpha2 or CVS) of Spambayes.  This will definitely be fixed in
the next version of the installer, which is due out in the next couple
of weeks.

=Tony Meyer

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Thu May 22 15:28:08 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 01:24:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740893 ] failure to install
Message-ID: <E19Ixbc-0003A3-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740893, was opened at 2003-05-21 00:44
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by gheidenr
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Jack Steiner (steinman1950)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: failure to install

Initial Comment:
Attempted install of binary version on W98 machine 
running Outlook2000.  Did install and uninstall twice.  
As directed by the troubleshooting guide, checked 
the COM Add-ins - Spambayes was listed but not 
checked.  I checked it, closed the dialog box, 
reopened the dialog box and it was not checked 
again.  I ran regsvr32.exe but got an error.  This 
may be similar to ID #725449.

Jack Steiner
502-228-8110
jack@steiner.win.net

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Comment By: George Heidenrich (gheidenr)
Date: 2003-05-22 17:28

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=784929

Same problem and results as Jack and radesai.  Removed  
the unchecked add-in at 
Outlook|Tools|Options|Other|Advanced Options|COM 
Add-Ins, then attempted to add it again.  Received the 
following Outlook Error:
OUTLOOK caused an invalid page fault in
module PYTHON23.DLL at 0177:1e03ff78.
Registers:
EAX=505c3a43 CS=0177 EIP=1e03ff78 
EFLGS=00010246
EBX=005a3b70 SS=017f ESP=0056b930 EBP=1e0b8ec0
ECX=005fdc70 DS=017f ESI=005fdc70 FS=6527
EDX=00735cf0 ES=017f EDI=1e03ff70 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
8b 48 54 f6 c5 40 74 1f 8b 80 a4 00 00 00 85 c0 
Stack dump:
00000000 1e0352fd 005fdc70 00000000 1e0b8ea8 
005a3b60 00000002 005f4da0 00000020 1e03ff5d 
005fdc70 1e03ff70 00000000 1e0b8ea8 00000001 
1e03fd38 

George Heidenrich
gheidenr@bestweb.net

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Comment By: Ravil A. Desai (radesai)
Date: 2003-05-22 14:57

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=753768

I am getting the same error. I had it installed and it worked 
fine for a day or two. Now, it has stopped working and I get 
the same errors. I didn't make sense to recreate another bug. 
I removed and reinstalled, but that did not fix the problem.

Thanks
radesai


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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Fri May 23 18:31:38 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Fri May 23 01:33:10 2003
Subject: Format of Spam Field in Plugin (was RE: [Spambayes] (no subject))
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3B33@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> The instructions say that under "User Defined Fields" there 
> will be a button with a "Spam" label. Sure enough it is 
> there. :) However, when I drag the field to the Inbox header, 
> the field Type is "Number" instead of "Percent" and the 
> Format is "All Digits 1,234,567 -1,234,567" instead of 
> "Rounded 65% -65%".

Hopefully Mark will notice this message (hence the changed subject) and
answer it, because he might know.

Interestingly, the Spam field in some of my folders is locked as a
number, but in other folders it's locked as a percent.  Either way, I
can change the reported accuracy, but I'm using Outlook 2002, and I
think I recall something similar when I was using Outlook 2000.  This
might be an Outlook issue (although the percent/number thing shouldn't
be).

Mark, did you change from number to percent since the binary release?
Maybe my old folders are numbers, and new ones percents?

=Tony Meyer

From anthony at interlink.com.au  Fri May 23 16:40:47 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Fri May 23 01:41:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] I am corrently using SAproxy 
In-Reply-To: <003301c320a3$3157c6a0$6501a8c0@mike> 
Message-ID: <200305230540.h4N5elp08662@localhost.localdomain>


>>> "Mike Liveright" wrote
> I think that both you and they are based on Bayes logic, and I hope
> that you can point me to some comparison on the logics.

See the website, http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/background.html

> I suspect that I will want to pay for a more user friendly system in a
> while with lots of extra features as time proceeds.

Sean True <seant@iname.com> is working on a commercial, supported version
of SpamBayes called SpamAtBay. I'm not aware of a website for it.

> Can you also tell me when, if ever, I can look forward to a SpamBayes
> system that I can use with Outlook Express, or other mail programs.

Outlook Express and Outlook are totally different beasts - OE has almost
no hooks that SpamBayes can use. 

Unless someone steps forward with the secret knowledge of Outlook Express
internals, it's extremely unlikely that the Outlook plugin will ever work
with Outlook Express.

You can, however, use spambayes' pop/imap proxy - see 
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/applications.html

Anthony

From anthony at interlink.com.au  Fri May 23 17:21:13 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Fri May 23 02:22:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] preamble on SF bug page.
Message-ID: <200305230621.h4N6LDp08992@localhost.localdomain>


Is it worth changing the SF project configuration to put a message at
the top of the bug report page saying that the Win98 install issues
are a known bug and that additional bug reports should not be filed
for it? And maybe a Paypal button for MarkH, in case people want to
encourage him to work on it sooner? ;)

Anthony, happy MH user.
--
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From tdickenson at devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk  Fri May 23 09:02:11 2003
From: tdickenson at devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk (Toby Dickenson)
Date: Fri May 23 03:02:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Experimental Ham/Spam imbalance setting
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A3F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A3F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <200305230802.11768.tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk>

On Friday 23 May 2003 3:00 am, Meyer, Tony wrote:

> The trickiest thing here is that the Outlook users (who probably are a
> majority now?) do use the option, while by default, the others don't.
> We really need people to put in some time testing to see if it is worth
> keeping or not.  If it is, I gather from (Tim P's?) comment in the code
> that it can just be enabled for everyone.

I tried this option for a few weeks, and it *seemed* to be a disadvantage for 
me. A certain type of spam became indistinguishable from ham. Those spams 
came often enough to be annoying, and the annoyance stopped when I turned the 
option off.

This is with a 10:1 ham:spam ratio, and a training regime that retrains from 
scratch overnight with everything in my spam mailbox, and everything in every 
other mailbox.


From director at bigguymedia.com  Fri May 23 02:36:39 2003
From: director at bigguymedia.com (Director)
Date: Fri May 23 03:36:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000 on XP, installed Python and killed a
	dd-in
Message-ID: <21631E523BEBD41197FC0020AFCF88F613735E@dsl-mr-207-34-113-i59-cgy.nucleus.com>

Tony,

Thanks for the reply. I didn't get a chance to look over all the messages so
I hope I'm not duplicating things and causing additional work for your
"busy" list.

The only relevance I can see in the log files is:

E:\src\python-cvs\lib\fcntl.py:7: DeprecationWarning: the FCNTL module is
deprecated; please use fcntl

which is intersting as I have no E:\src directory.

That said, I installed Python 2.3b1 today. Everything was working great
prior to that. After installing it I noticed the SB buttons in outlook were
not able to do anything, as well the scoring had ceased. 

thanks.

r. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:12 PM
To: Director; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000 on XP, installed Python and killed
add-in


> I am running WinXP with outlook 2000, Today in the course of 
> setting up WINCVS I installed python. Subsequently my 
> Spambayes add-in stopped working.

Does this strike anyone else as amusing?  :)

Can you provide some more details?  Which version of Python did you
install?  In the troubleshooting.html file that should have been
installed with the plugin, there are instructions about how to find the
log file.  If there's anything in the log, it would be useful to see
this, too.

The list is pretty busy at the moment - you also might want to add this
as a bug (http://sf.net/projects/spambayes), since it does seem to be
something we haven't come across before.

=Tony Meyer

From david.stewart at shaw.ca  Fri May 23 01:50:29 2003
From: david.stewart at shaw.ca (Dave Stewart)
Date: Fri May 23 03:50:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Strange message
In-Reply-To: <16E1010E4581B049ABC51D4975CEDB880113DB04@UKDCX001.uk.int.atosorigin.com>
Message-ID: <000001c320ff$fda627e0$03c0a8c0@grimjack>

I have very definitely seen this on my XP box, regarding my DVD drive.
Hasn't appeared in nearly a week now, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
On Behalf Of Moore, Paul
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 4:36 AM
To: Mark Hammond
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Strange message

From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au]
> I can't recall all the details - have you (or anyone) seen
> this on other than XP?  Or on a CD/DVD drive?

Just to clarify - I've never had this from Spambayes, but I
have had similar looking messages, on both 2K and XP. They
are sometimes when there *is* a disk present, but not
recognised for some reason. And they sometimes involve
problems ejecting the disk. Hence my comment that zip support
is flakey.

I've never seen anything like this with a CD/DVD drive.

Not much help, I know. Sorry.
Paul.

_______________________________________________
Spambayes mailing list
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From phobos at pobox.com  Fri May 23 19:01:42 2003
From: phobos at pobox.com (Peets)
Date: Fri May 23 04:02:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes installer improvement suggestions
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305231800160.22481-100000@zeus.zipworld.com.au>

Wonderful job, simply wonderful.

Firstly, Thanks 8-).  This is code well done, simple, effective, just
doing the job.

Secondly, after installing it I have basically one remark to make: the
installation sequence might improve if you change the order of events
somewhat.

At the moment you document  Install - set up folders - train - set up
filters - enable filters (not clearly, but that's what it boils down to).
I'm leaving aside an option for creating the folders from within the
installer (gets too complicated ;-).  For end users, installation is
probably more logical in the following order:

1) create folders
2) [start installer] Set source/spam/possible spam folders
3) Offer filtering settings, default to 'enabled'
4) Train
5) Filter
6) End with instructions (verify spam/unsure folders and act, synchronise
with server etc)

This leaves the installation with SpamBayes up and running.  At the
moment, post training there is a confusing gap before filtering comes into
play.  You can document that to a degree, but streamlining the process
will probably make it easier to document (I'm happy to do it for you if
that's of any help, but the last time I coded it was in raw machine code
on a Psion Organiser II ;-).

That's all.  Did I say Thank You ?  ;-)

Regards,   /// Peter ///




From anthony at interlink.com.au  Fri May 23 19:39:58 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Fri May 23 04:40:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000 on XP,
	installed Python and killed a dd-in 
In-Reply-To: <21631E523BEBD41197FC0020AFCF88F613735E@dsl-mr-207-34-113-i59-cgy.nucleus.com>
Message-ID: <200305230839.h4N8dw310774@localhost.localdomain>


>>> Director wrote
> Tony,
> 
> Thanks for the reply. I didn't get a chance to look over all the messages so
> I hope I'm not duplicating things and causing additional work for your
> "busy" list.
> 
> The only relevance I can see in the log files is:
> 
> E:\src\python-cvs\lib\fcntl.py:7: DeprecationWarning: the FCNTL module is
> deprecated; please use fcntl
> 
> which is intersting as I have no E:\src directory.

Note that python's byte compiled files contain pathnames of where they
were originally compiled. This can be a little bit confusing, but it's
harmless.

Anthony

-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From Paul.Moore at atosorigin.com  Fri May 23 11:00:30 2003
From: Paul.Moore at atosorigin.com (Moore, Paul)
Date: Fri May 23 05:00:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Experimental Ham/Spam imbalance setting
Message-ID: <16E1010E4581B049ABC51D4975CEDB88619A8E@UKDCX001.uk.int.atosorigin.com>

From: Tim Peters [mailto:tim.one@comcast.net]
> [Moore, Paul]
> > I have a friend who is using the POP3 proxy for his mail. He has a
> > 10:1 spam:ham imbalance, and he's found that he gets quite a high
> > proportion of unsures (from 200 or so mails a day, over 75% of which
> > are spam). His DB contains about 1300 spam and 150 spam.
> 
> 150 ham, right (you said "spam" twice there)?  That's not much of a ham
> sample regardless of option settings, and without knowing what he set his
> unsure range to, "quite a high proportion" may be astonishing or
> inescapable.

[...]

> > My feeling is that the higher proportion of unsures, plus the
> > unresponsiveness to training, makes it an overall loss.
> 
> The fellow you're talking about has a pathologically low number of ham;

Hmm. I was a little worried about that possibility. The trouble is, it's
a very similar situation to the one I'm in. I get virtually *no* ham
(excluding mailing lists, which are filtered off before the email program
sees them), but ridiculous amounts of spam (hundreds per day). I'd
ignore email totally, if it wasn't for the fact that the few ham I do get
are fairly important.

I don't have any way of training on more ham - I train on it all.

My current approach (which is working reasonably well) is to train on
ham and unsures only, until I get good results, then stop *totally*.
This has left me with a database containing 40-odd ham, and 150 spam.
My unsure rate is tolerable, so I accept that I'm not going to do
any better.

I'm close to going for the other option - get a new mail account :-(

> > Am I right in thinking that pop3proxy has this parameter set to true?
> 
> I don't see anything to suggest that it is.  The default is still False, and
> AFAICT only Outlook2000/default_bayes_customize.ini sets it True.

You're right. I misremembered, and couldn't find the default value.

> It's a pick-your-poison thing.  If you have more spam than ham and keep this
> False, a higher false positive rate is the expected result (or a higher FN
> rate if you have more ham than spam).

(Thinks) OK, I see this.

> It remains experimental because the evidence was/is spotty and mixed.

Yes, that was partly my point. As I understand things (I came into this
after the extensive testing work had pretty much died down) it has become
pretty much impossible to see significant test results now, thanks to the
level of effectiveness which has been achieved.

What I see now is much more of a "real life gut feel" type of effect, which
is nearly impossible to either quantify, or to reproduce reliably. Whether
such evidence is useful is a difficult judgement call :-(

> > My friend has now purged his database and is starting from scratch,
> > to try to improve his results.
> 
> He should have kept the 150 most-recent spam instead.

Good point. But getting 150 new spam isn't exactly a long-term job :-(

> Nope!  We don't store spamprobs in a database, just word counts.
> experimental_ham_spam_imbalance_adjustment is used (only) in
> Classifier.probability() when a probability is (dynamically) computed.

Oh. That's good news. I could (and probably should) do some real tests, then.
(It's much easier if I don't need to retrain).

> > Maybe the option should be exposed in the UI (but that may not be
> > sensible if changing it *does* require a retrain).
> 
> For researchers that would be fine, but end users don't have a clue about
> what to do with exotic internal options.

Hmm. I think I could explain this in end-user language. How does this sound:

    Compensate for unequal numbers of spam and ham
    ----------------------------------------------

    If your training database has significantly (5 times) more ham than
    spam, or vice versa, you may start seeing an increase in incorrect
    classifications (messages put in the wrong category, not just marked
    as unsure). If so, this option allows you to compensate for this, at
    the cost of increasing the number of messages classified as "unsure".

    Note that the effect is subtle, and you should experiment with both
    settings to choose the option that suits you best.

This is always going to be an "advanced" option, so I don't see the longer
explanation as a bad thing...

> Your friend could spend his time better by collecting more ham <0.9 wink>.

It's a shame, nobody sends him any. We're both sad, unloved people :-)

> Since mass testing here stopped, we haven't got useful feedback on any of
> the non-default options.  Since there wasn't enough info to decide about
> them when mass testing stopped, they still deserve a chance to survive.  I
> hope mass testing resumes, but I can't drive it (no time).  Until it does
> resume, the continued existence of these options seems appropriate.

Fair enough. I agree about testing, but I also don't have the time to do a
good job (or the understanding, or the large corpus of data...)

Spambayes is a victim of its own success. Theoretically, it's still only
alpha, but we're getting a real live user base, support issues, the lot.
I'm not sure whether to blame Microsoft for getting people used to the idea
that alpha is as good as it gets, or the Greeks for not having any letters
before alpha :-)

Thanks for taking the time to explain all this.

Paul.

From lists at olivermaunder.co.uk  Fri May 23 12:19:13 2003
From: lists at olivermaunder.co.uk (Oliver Maunder)
Date: Fri May 23 06:20:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Experimental Ham/Spam imbalance setting
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A3F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A3F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <3ECDF5A1.7010908@olivermaunder.co.uk>

Meyer, Tony wrote:

>The trickiest thing here is that the Outlook users (who probably are a
>majority now?) do use the option, while by default, the others don't.
>We really need people to put in some time testing to see if it is worth
>keeping or not.  If it is, I gather from (Tim P's?) comment in the code
>that it can just be enabled for everyone.
>  
>
I''ll turn the option on, and see what happens. I get a *lot* more spam 
than ham. At the moment, I'm only training on unsures - but all the 
unsures are clearly spam, so the spam db is growing much faster than ham.

At the moment, about a third of my spam ends up classified as Unsure. 
There's never any ham in the Unsure folder. I'll try the 
ham-spam-imbalance option and see if there's any change. If not, I'll 
just need to review my threshold settings

Olly



From noreply at sourceforge.net  Fri May 23 05:14:37 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 07:14:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Support Requests-742258 ] Shutdown/restart
Message-ID: <E19JAVR-0005aR-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Support Requests item #742258, was opened at 2003-05-23 06:14
Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498104&aid=742258&group_id=61702

Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Mike Ring (mikering)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Shutdown/restart

Initial Comment:
Whenever I logoff and restart Outlook, SpamBayes 
doesn't filter messages on startup. I have to retrain it 
and then filter the Inbox.

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From mail at peterbe.com  Fri May 23 14:05:56 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Fri May 23 08:13:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB328D@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030523130045.021d9d98@mail.grenna.net>

At 10:55 2003-05-21 +1200, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> > "pickle or a dbm"??? I have no idea. What should it be and
> > how do you change?
>
>Sorry, I should have been clearer.  Unless you have changed the
>"persistent_use_database" option or are calling pop3proxy/imapfilter
>with the "-d" option, you will be using a database and not a pickle.

To be honest, I don't understand the -d and -D switches to the commandline. 
I've never used them and maybe this is a reminder to the Spambayes homepage 
webmasters to explain it a little bit for dummies.

>There seems to be a general consensus that your database was pretty
>large for the number of messages trained.  This might be as a result of
>the messageinfo db problems (before there was an explicit path to it) -
>some messages may have been trained multiple times.

I bow my head in shame. I was wrong.
What I reported as so big was hammie.db.dat or hammie.dat
hammie.db was less than a fifth in size.

Thank you for your support.
Spambayes seems to have a problem the second time you run it.
Yesterday I installed the latest CVS without problem (except that 
Wordcount) didn't work after you had trained an mbox.
But then (and this happened last time too) when I the second time run it I 
get these error messages:

C:\Python22\spambayes>C:\Python22\python.exe pop3proxy.py
Loading database... Done.
Listener on port 110 is proxying mail.grenna.net:110
User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel 
<__main__.ServerLineReader connected at 0xb83140> 
(exceptions.AssertionError: [C:\Python22\lib\asyncore.py|poll|99] 
[C:\Python22\lib\asyncore.py|handle_read_event|396] 
[C:\Python22\lib\asynchat.py|handle_read|130] 
[pop3proxy.py|found_terminator|146] [pop3proxy.py|onServerLine|214] 
[pop3proxy.py|onResponse|288] [pop3proxy.py|onTransaction|389] 
[pop3proxy.py|onRetr|440] [spambayes\classifier.py|chi2_spamprob|217] 
[spambayes\classifier.py|_getclues|445] 
[spambayes\classifier.py|probability|301])


Cheers,
Peter 


From bill at parducci.net  Fri May 23 07:13:52 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Fri May 23 09:13:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] List moeration
References: <E53C5C383912D511BB0F00508BB80B9A0475AA4E@exbhbhmb06.us.dnb.com>	<BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHEEOEFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
	<16077.12882.255940.607868@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <3ECE1E90.6060307@parducci.net>

Skip Montanaro wrote:
> What's the term?  We now eat our own dog food?

you are eating it, it's just being served up in individual portions! :)

b


From bill at parducci.net  Fri May 23 07:24:00 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Fri May 23 09:24:04 2003
Subject: FAQ (Was RE: [Spambayes] /.?)
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A00@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<16077.37263.719901.63141@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <3ECE20F0.2050804@parducci.net>

Skip Montanaro wrote:
> Bill sent me a new section today which I merged in.  I also tweaked it a bit
> in other more cosmetic ways.

yikes! can you send me the updated version? i am still creating FAQs.

> Would someone like to merge the two please?  Maybe then the FAQ.txt file can
> just point to the website.  It appears that most of our users are going to
> be quickly addicted to Mark's installer.

working on it...

b


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri May 23 10:42:51 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Fri May 23 09:35:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] bug in binary installer
In-Reply-To: <615D36A41691D211BB0900A0C9D619990452EA5F@houmis03.dhs.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <119901c320bb$dc555960$530f8490@eden>

The good news is that you are not the first to report this.

The bad news is we don't really know what is causing it.  It appears it is
the same as the bug in
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=740198&group_id=61
702&atid=498103, and hopefully we will sort it out ready for the new
release.

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Proske,David
> Sent: Friday, 23 May 2003 5:19 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] bug in binary installer
>
>
> I have a win2000 running outlook 2000 sr1 and I get the
> following message
> <<error.jpeg>> and the logs are as follows the first two time
> the log was
> empty but the next two time I got the following logs.
> <<spambayes3.log>>
> <<spambayes4.log>>
> David
>


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri May 23 10:37:29 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Fri May 23 09:35:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Usage on XP version of Outlook
In-Reply-To: <4358DC03B08CD31191A60006293844E20326FFE7@FWM-MAIL>
Message-ID: <119401c320bb$1cb6a190$530f8490@eden>

> I just wanted you to know that I have installed and it runs
> great.

Great - although it doesn't sound like it <wink>

> I do
> have a question about the filter button on the Xp version of
> outlook.  After
> using the train mode and setting the filters.  The enable
> filter button is
> grayed out, not available.  Haven't had this problem on 2000
> outlook.  Is
> this a problem?  Does it still run automatically?

If the "Enable filtering" button is disabled, then I doubt it is running
great - it is probably not filtering anything.  The main dialog should
indicate why filtering can not be enabled - generally as there are less than
5 good and 5 bad messages in the training database.

Otherwise, please see Trobuleshooting.html, and attach a log file.

Regards,

Mark.


From Ben.Marshall at swinc.com  Fri May 23 09:39:18 2003
From: Ben.Marshall at swinc.com (Marshall, Ben)
Date: Fri May 23 09:39:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Quick Question
Message-ID: <4836C7598D2C5F448B888393437FBC0601083A32@moose.austin.swinc.com>

Yes, Outlook 11 is Outlook 2003.  How can I help?

Thanks,

Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:28 PM
To: Marshall, Ben; spambayes@python.org

> Will the spambayes work with outlook 11?

What is Outlook 11?  Is that the numeric version number for Outlook
2003?  (My copy of Outlook 2002 has 10 in the version number, so that
might make sense).

If it is, then the answer is 'not yet'.  We would welcome help in
changing this, though.

=Tony Meyer


From skip at pobox.com  Fri May 23 09:46:34 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri May 23 09:46:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCECJEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <16077.36960.486158.231011@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCECJEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16078.9786.637017.288318@montanaro.dyndns.org>

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Peters <tim.one@comcast.net> writes:

    Tim> [Skip]
    >> I thought Outlook 2000 was the version which got the most exercise.

    Tim> I have three of those, and they all work fine (using CVS spambayes;
    Tim> I haven't tried the binary installer yet).

I just tried the binary installer on Win2k Pro (SP3) w/ Outlook 2k (SR1).
Seems to work fine once set up properly.  The only change I'd make to the
initial interface is to either grey out the "Delete as Spam" button until
the users has defined a spam folder or pop up a dialog box if they click it
without having a spam folder defined.  I spun my wheels for a few minutes
until I realized I had put the cart before the horse.

Skip


From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri May 23 11:12:17 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri May 23 10:14:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <16078.9786.637017.288318@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHCEPHFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Skip Montanaro]
> I just tried the binary installer on Win2k Pro (SP3) w/ Outlook 2k
> (SR1). Seems to work fine once set up properly.

Yup, that's the combo I use at work, and others where I work have used the
binary installer with that combo too.  I also use two Win98SE + OL2K (SR1)
combos, and the binary installer doesn't work on Win98SE (or presumably any
flavor of Win94 or ME either).

> The only change I'd make to the initial interface is to either grey out
> the "Delete as Spam" button until the users has defined a spam folder or
> pop up a dialog box if they click it without having a spam folder
> defined.  I spun my wheels for a few minutes until I realized I had put
> the cart before the horse.

I'm sure Mark will appreciate your patch <wink>.


From tim at fourstonesexpressions.com  Fri May 23 10:16:53 2003
From: tim at fourstonesexpressions.com (Tim Stone)
Date: Fri May 23 10:17:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHCEPHFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHCEPHFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <oprpmpyfoe34x2gn@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>

On Fri, 23 May 2003 10:12:17 -0400, Tim Peters <tim.one@comcast.net> wrote:


> Yup, that's the combo I use at work, and others where I work have used 
> the
> binary installer with that combo too.  I also use two Win98SE + OL2K 
> (SR1)
> combos, and the binary installer doesn't work on Win98SE (or presumably 
> any
> flavor of Win94 or ME either).

I'm reasonably sure there has been NO testing on Win94.  <wink wink>

c'est moi - TimS

From skip at pobox.com  Fri May 23 10:23:46 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri May 23 10:24:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3B27@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3B27@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <16078.12018.785964.97356@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tony> What's the story with the auto-reply text?  The barrage of
    Tony> identical Outlook plugin problems is starting to be
    Tony> overwhelming...(not that the auto-reply will necessarily solve
    Tony> these).

It's essentially ready to go.  I decided to hold off on asking Barry to set
things up yesterday because the mail server was having problems and I knew
Barry was working on the Python 2.2.3c1 release.

So, Barry, would now be a good time to ask you to make Mailman return

    http://spambayes.sf.net/reply.txt

to new posters (or people who haven't seen it in awhile)?

Thanks,

Skip

From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri May 23 11:26:43 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri May 23 10:27:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <oprpmpyfoe34x2gn@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHOEPJFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

>> Yup, that's the combo I use at work, and others where I work have
>> used the binary installer with that combo too.  I also use two
>> Win98SE + OL2K (SR1) combos, and the binary installer doesn't work
>> on Win98SE (or presumably any flavor of Win94 or ME either).


[Tim Stone]
> I'm reasonably sure there has been NO testing on Win94.  <wink wink>

Sorry, my five key is worn out from responding to people about bugs in
Win9five.  So I type Win94 instead.  This is much easier to believe than
that I had a typo <wink>.

or-mabye-it-was-a-network-error!-terrorism?-sars-ly y'rs  - tim


From skip at pobox.com  Fri May 23 10:35:33 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri May 23 10:35:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Alternative to binary installer
Message-ID: <16078.12725.91836.254995@montanaro.dyndns.org>


A lot of people are running into the

    no codec search functions registered: can't find encoding

install problem.  To get them going I think we will need a dead simple set
of instructions for installing from source.  Is this documented somewhere on
the website already?  Not having tried it, my guess would be

    1. Download and run the Python 2.2.2 (or 2.2.3 or 2.3 when avaiable)
       installer.

    2. Install Mark's win32all package.

    3. Install the 1.0a2 (or CVS) source package.

    4. From a DOS shell positioned in the Outlook2000 directory, run "python
       addin.py".

Is that roughly correct?

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Fri May 23 10:43:27 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri May 23 10:44:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000 on XP, installed Python and killed add-in
In-Reply-To: <21631E523BEBD41197FC0020AFCF88F613735D@dsl-mr-207-34-113-i59-cgy.nucleus.com>
References: <21631E523BEBD41197FC0020AFCF88F613735D@dsl-mr-207-34-113-i59-cgy.nucleus.com>
Message-ID: <16078.13199.251565.853662@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Russ> I am running WinXP with outlook 2000, Today in the course of
    Russ> setting up WINCVS I installed python. Subsequently my Spambayes
    Russ> add-in stopped working.

I installed the plugin today (Win2k, Outlook2k) and verified that it seemed
to be doing the right thing.  Later on I installed the just-released 2.2.3c1
binary.  The plugin seems to still be humming right along.  

    Russ> I have corrected it by removing python and reinstalling the add-in
    Russ> but am curious why this should occur and how to remedy it so I can
    Russ> install python on this machine in future.

The only thing I can think of is that perhaps the version of Python
installed with the plugin is different than the version you installed.  The
two Python versions might have a difference in the byte code they generate
and interpret.  After the installation, perhaps you got the new Python
interpreter trying to interpret old byte codes or vice versa.  What version
of Python did you install?

Skip

From barry at python.org  Fri May 23 11:46:56 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Fri May 23 10:47:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <16078.12018.785964.97356@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3B27@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<16078.12018.785964.97356@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <3ECE3460.50507@python.org>

Skip Montanaro wrote:

> It's essentially ready to go.  I decided to hold off on asking Barry to set
> things up yesterday because the mail server was having problems and I knew
> Barry was working on the Python 2.2.3c1 release.
> 
> So, Barry, would now be a good time to ask you to make Mailman return
> 
>     http://spambayes.sf.net/reply.txt
> 
> to new posters (or people who haven't seen it in awhile)?

It is the best of all possible times you could have picked Skip!  So 
I've uploaded the text and turned on autoreply for posters.  Only.  I 
didn't set up the autoreply for -owners or -request.

This message should provoke the autoresponder for me, so we'll see if it 
worked.

-Barry



From skip at pobox.com  Fri May 23 10:59:42 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri May 23 10:59:49 2003
Subject: FAQ (Was RE: [Spambayes] /.?)
In-Reply-To: <3ECE20F0.2050804@parducci.net>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3A00@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<16077.37263.719901.63141@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3ECE20F0.2050804@parducci.net>
Message-ID: <16078.14174.295978.673153@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> Bill sent me a new section today which I merged in.  I also tweaked
    >> it a bit in other more cosmetic ways.

    bill> yikes! can you send me the updated version? i am still creating
    bill> FAQs.

It's what's on the web site:

    http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html

or source:

    http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.ht

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Fri May 23 11:35:05 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri May 23 11:35:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHCEPHFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <16078.9786.637017.288318@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHCEPHFLAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16078.16297.755648.756038@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> The only change I'd make to the initial interface is to either grey
    >> out the "Delete as Spam" button until the users has defined a spam
    >> folder ...

    Tim> I'm sure Mark will appreciate your patch <wink>.

No doubt.  Looking at the source I sort of suspect this might already be in
place for the CVS code.  How do I go about seeing if that's the case?  Can I
just download the source and run Outlook2000/addin.py or do I have to do
some sort of uninstall of the existing code?

Thx,

Skip


From skip at pobox.com  Fri May 23 11:38:03 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri May 23 11:38:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <3ECE3460.50507@python.org>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3B27@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<16078.12018.785964.97356@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3ECE3460.50507@python.org>
Message-ID: <16078.16475.944474.797715@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Barry> This message should provoke the autoresponder for me, so we'll
    Barry> see if it worked.

Thanks, Barry.  It replied to me.  Looks like we're set in that regard.  If
the reply.txt file gets tweaked do we need to tell you or do you open it
with urllib.urlopen periodically? ;-)

Skip

From barry at python.org  Fri May 23 12:55:59 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Fri May 23 11:56:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <16078.16475.944474.797715@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3B27@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<16078.12018.785964.97356@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<3ECE3460.50507@python.org>
	<16078.16475.944474.797715@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <3ECE448F.9010002@python.org>

Skip Montanaro wrote:
>     Barry> This message should provoke the autoresponder for me, so we'll
>     Barry> see if it worked.
> 
> Thanks, Barry.  It replied to me.  Looks like we're set in that regard.  If
> the reply.txt file gets tweaked do we need to tell you or do you open it
> with urllib.urlopen periodically? ;-)

Heh.

Actually Skip, you know the list admin password for spambayes now, so 
you can always update the text yourself! :)

-Barry



From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri May 23 12:54:00 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri May 23 11:56:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <16078.16297.755648.756038@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHGEAEFMAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Skip]
> Looking at the source I sort of suspect this might already
> be in place for the CVS code.  How do I go about seeing if that's the
> case?  Can I just download the source and run Outlook2000/addin.py or
> do I have to do some sort of uninstall of the existing code?

Because I haven't used the binary installer, I don't know what wrinkles that
adds to the equation.  I simply update from CVS, and that's all -- I don't
even run addin.py (well, not since the first time).  If I were you I'd
certainly uninstall first, though -- why risk shortcuts?


From jhadzima at alphas.com  Fri May 23 08:43:15 2003
From: jhadzima at alphas.com (John Hadzima)
Date: Fri May 23 12:16:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] possible bug
Message-ID: <C03901D7B1AB924FA9D6CB83D80E70DC65F9D7@asc2.alphas.com>

Just installed SpamBayes and I think it breaks the auto-complete popup
list for email addresses used in the To field in Outlook.  The popup
still appears but only with the first letter of each email address - the
rest of the email address doesn't appear.  I've uninstalled and
reinstalled SpamBayes several times to confirm this problem.  I'm
running Outlook 2002 (SP2) on Windows 2000 (SP3).  Attached are a couple
screen shots that will hopefully give you a clearer idea of what I'm
talking about.

John

 

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Fri May 23 10:21:02 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 12:21:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-742440 ] Outlook 2003(beta) install
	fails
Message-ID: <E19JFHy-0007Jq-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #742440, was opened at 2003-05-23 09:21
Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=742440&group_id=61702

Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Kenneth Haynes (kh4yn3s)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook 2003(beta) install fails

Initial Comment:
I am running Windows XP, SP1. I have the Beta 2 
version of Office that includes Outlook 2003.  When I 
tried to install using the windows installer, I got no error 
messages, but neither did I get the configuration buttons 
on the menu.
spambayes1.log:
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\ken\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\ken\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\ken\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 0 spam and 0 good 
messages
Loaded databases in 4.68803ms
SpamAddin - Disconnecting from Outlook

spambayes2.log and spambayes3.log all look the same 
as spambayes1.log.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Fri May 23 10:26:28 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 12:26:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740198 ] Installation fails with
	regsvr error
Message-ID: <E19JFNE-0005Bl-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740198, was opened at 2003-05-20 01:12
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by kwalker411
You can respond by visiting: 
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Rob de Santos (rdesantos)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Installation fails with regsvr error

Initial Comment:
I'm trying to install SpamBayes into Outlook XP on 
Win98SE.  The install fails with a regsvr error.  
Attempts at manually registering the file also fail.  
Here's the log:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 10, in ?
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in 
importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", 
line 59, in ?
  
File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\genca
che.py", line 368, in EnsureModule
pywintypes.com_error: (-2147312566, 'Error 
loading type library/DLL.', None, None)
SystemError: PyErr_NormalizeException() called 
without exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 11, in ?
AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'OutlookAddin'

Any help?

Cheers,

Rob

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Comment By: Ken Walker (kwalker411)
Date: 2003-05-23 16:26

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=785557

Hi Fellas.  As per Tony Meyer's request, I'm appending my
version information here.  The plugin wouldn't install on my
platform due to a regsvr error.

System:

     Microsoft Windows 2000
     5.00.2195
     Service Pack 3

Mail Client:

     Microsoft Outlook 2002
     10.4219.5025
     Service Pack 2

Thanks,
K

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-23 02:09

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

>From the list:
"I have a win2000 running outlook 2000 sr1 and I get the 
following message  
<<error.jpeg>> and the logs are as follows the first two time 
the log was empty but the next two time I got the following 
logs.  <<spambayes3.log>>  
<<spambayes4.log>> 
David"

The jpeg was just a screenshot of the regsvr error.  Log3 is:
"Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 15, in DllRegisterServer
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\register.py", 
line 388, in RegisterClasses
IndexError: list index out of range"
and log4 is:
"warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, 
args, kwargs)
warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, 
args, kwargs)
warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, 
args, kwargs)
Unregistered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 22, in DllUnregisterServer
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 791, in 
UnregisterAddin
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named _winreg"

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-22 23:45

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Noting a dupe in
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=741914&group_id=61702

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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri May 23 10:52:22 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Fri May 23 12:37:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Quick Question
In-Reply-To: <4836C7598D2C5F448B888393437FBC0601083A12@moose.austin.swinc.com>
Message-ID: <11a001c320bd$307d4650$530f8490@eden>

> Will the spambayes work with outlook 11?

It will eventually.  We have no idea if it does now.  I may grab a beta of
this to test, but until I do, or until someone reports something conclusive,
we just don't know.

Mark.
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From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri May 23 14:08:25 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri May 23 13:09:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] preamble on SF bug page.
In-Reply-To: <200305230621.h4N6LDp08992@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHMEAJFMAA.tim.one@comcast.net>


[Anthony Baxter]
> Is it worth changing the SF project configuration to put a message at
> the top of the bug report page saying that the Win98 install issues
> are a known bug and that additional bug reports should not be filed
> for it? And maybe a Paypal button for MarkH, in case people want to
> encourage him to work on it sooner? ;)

I added some text.  Someone remind me to delete it when it becomes obsolete!

From matos at attbi.com  Fri May 23 15:49:11 2003
From: matos at attbi.com (David Matos)
Date: Fri May 23 14:49:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Autocomplete bug
In-Reply-To: <E19JFDe-0006qP-02@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <000b01c3215b$fffce450$8d80b042@dexter>

FWIW, I've experienced this same problem.
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 07:43:15 -0400
From: "John Hadzima" <jhadzima@alphas.com>
Subject: [Spambayes] possible bug
To: <spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID: <C03901D7B1AB924FA9D6CB83D80E70DC65F9D7@asc2.alphas.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Just installed SpamBayes and I think it breaks the auto-complete popup list
for email addresses used in the To field in Outlook.  The popup still
appears but only with the first letter of each email address - the rest of
the email address doesn't appear.  I've uninstalled and reinstalled
SpamBayes several times to confirm this problem.  I'm running Outlook 2002
(SP2) on Windows 2000 (SP3).  Attached are a couple screen shots that will
hopefully give you a clearer idea of what I'm talking about.

John


From skip at pobox.com  Fri May 23 14:57:42 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri May 23 14:57:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHGEAEFMAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <16078.16297.755648.756038@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHGEAEFMAA.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16078.28454.179381.468975@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> Can I just download the source and run Outlook2000/addin.py or do I
    >> have to do some sort of uninstall of the existing code?

    Tim> Because I haven't used the binary installer, I don't know what
    Tim> wrinkles that adds to the equation.  I simply update from CVS, and
    Tim> that's all -- I don't even run addin.py (well, not since the first
    Tim> time).  If I were you I'd certainly uninstall first, though -- why
    Tim> risk shortcuts?

Fair enough, but remember, you're dealing with a real Windows idiot here.
Took me awhile to even find out how to uninstall the package.  I did so,
then verified that Outlook didn't show any smileys.  I then checked out the
spambayes CVS and installed (after installing win32all).

Everything works okay except what I actually wanted to test.  The uninstall
step appears not to have zeroed out all my configuration stuff.  It seemed
to remember basic config stuff, like where I wanted to place spams and
unsures, which defeated the purpose of this exercise, to see if the "Delete
as spam" button would be made inactive.

I guess the question is still open.  How do I get back all the way to the
pre-plugin state: no registration, no configuration, etc.?  There must be
some files or registry entries laying about even after the uninstall step.

Skip


From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri May 23 16:12:00 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri May 23 15:14:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <16078.28454.179381.468975@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHKEBDFMAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Skip Montanaro]
> Fair enough, but remember, you're dealing with a real Windows idiot
> here.

The irony is that MS believe they designed Windows for idiots <wink>.

> Took me awhile to even find out how to uninstall the package.
> I did so, then verified that Outlook didn't show any smileys.  I then
> checked out the spambayes CVS and installed (after installing
> win32all).
>
> Everything works okay except what I actually wanted to test.  The
> uninstall step appears not to have zeroed out all my configuration
> stuff.  It seemed to remember basic config stuff, like where I wanted
> to place spams and unsures, which defeated the purpose of this
> exercise, to see if the "Delete as spam" button would be made
> inactive.
>
> I guess the question is still open.  How do I get back all the way to
> the pre-plugin state: no registration, no configuration, etc.?  There
> must be some files or registry entries laying about even after the
> uninstall step.

I haven't used the binary installer so I don't know what all it does.  A
definitive answer here will have to come from Mark, or someone else
Windows-savvy who has actually used it.

If you have a directory somewhere (assuming Win2K) like

    \Documents and Settings\
        YOUR_LOGIN_NAME\
            Application Data\
                SpamBayes\

then it's hiding config and database info in there, and you should blow that
away.


From kson001 at pacbell.net  Fri May 23 13:33:28 2003
From: kson001 at pacbell.net (kson001)
Date: Fri May 23 15:33:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] configuration help
Message-ID: <GIEJLNMFHGFNEAELMBJMCEEACBAA.kson001@pacbell.net>

I can't find the configuration file that I saw during the installation. I
need help in setting up the spam score column in Outlook Inbox, as well as
confirming use of filtering, etc. I set up Spam and Possible Spam folders
and trained the program on the Spam folder. There is no help on the Spam
Manager.

Thanks,
Kyung Son



From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri May 23 16:39:53 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri May 23 15:41:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] configuration help
In-Reply-To: <GIEJLNMFHGFNEAELMBJMCEEACBAA.kson001@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHEEBFFMAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Kyung Son]
> I can't find the configuration file that I saw during the
> installation. I need help in setting up the spam score column in
> Outlook Inbox, as well as confirming use of filtering, etc. I set up
> Spam and Possible Spam folders and trained the program on the Spam
> folder. There is no help on the Spam Manager.

Click the "About" button in the bottom center of the Anti-Spam Manager
dialog for help.


From Jerry.Weygint at tmcaz.com  Fri May 23 13:41:48 2003
From: Jerry.Weygint at tmcaz.com (Jerry Weygint)
Date: Fri May 23 15:45:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes problem?
Message-ID: <D20D79BCF01D574BA87B747D03CF48FD01BFEDCC@TMCMAIL01.tmc.tmcaz.com>

I installed the SpamBayes plugin into Outlook 2002 (xp) and I'm noticing
now that when I address messages, I'm not getting the options to
auto-complete the email address anymore.  I get a box that pops up, but
it just contains the first letter of whatever name I'm entering.  Have
you heard of this before?
 
Jerry Weygint
Technical Systems Support Manager
TMC HealthCare, Information Services
520.324.4232
 
From leisureman4 at lycos.com  Fri May 23 15:56:07 2003
From: leisureman4 at lycos.com (leisureman4@lycos.com)
Date: Fri May 23 15:56:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] CONDO for sale
Message-ID: <4128-22003552319567908@home>

If you ever wanted to get a timeshare, now is the time.  I have one for sale in North Myrtle Beach, SC.  I paid over $5,000 for it.  It is up for sale to the first caller for only $2,999.  It is week 46 (around Thanksgiving time).  The unit has all kinds of amenities including full kitchen, washer/dryer, ocean beach, covered outdoor pool, whirlpool, hot tub, you name it and it is all here.  And not far away, you will find boating, fishing, golf, live entertainment, (another Nashville) medical facilities, restaurants, tennis courts and everything a fabulous resort community has to offer.

To get detailed information hit “reply” and send "CONDO" with your name and phone number.  I will get back with you.


   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Under Bill s.1618 Title III passed by the 105th US  Congress, this letter cannot be
considered Spam as long as the sender includes contact information and a method
of "removal."
If at any time you no longer wish to receive email from me, you may send  a “REPLY”    with the word REMOVE in  the subject line.



From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri May 23 16:56:16 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri May 23 15:57:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Experimental Ham/Spam imbalance setting
In-Reply-To: <200305230802.11768.tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHAEBHFMAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Toby Dickenson]
> I tried this option for a few weeks, and it *seemed* to be a
> disadvantage for me. A certain type of spam became indistinguishable
> from ham. Those spams came often enough to be annoying, and the
> annoyance stopped when I turned the option off.
>
> This is with a 10:1 ham:spam ratio, and a training regime that
> retrains from scratch overnight with everything in my spam mailbox,
> and everything in every other mailbox.

That's most peculiar.  The effect of enabling the option when you have more
ham than spam is to make scores "less hammy".  Something else may be at work
with the "certain type of spam" in question.


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Fri May 23 14:36:39 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Fri May 23 16:36:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740311 ] Fails on XP
Message-ID: <E19JJHL-0002V2-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740311, was opened at 2003-05-20 08:09
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by hmeyer666
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=740311&group_id=61702

Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Rony Steelandt (bucodi)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Fails on XP

Initial Comment:
Installed the binary installer 002 on XP Pro

No spamb buttons added
Here is the logfile

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\rony.BUCODI\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 
170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", 
line 322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", 
line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", 
line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 
655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 
475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 
156, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 
71, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\spambayes\tokenizer.py", line 
659, in ?
exceptions.AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no 
attribute 'skip_max_word_size'


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Harald Meyer (hmeyer666)
Date: 2003-05-23 20:36

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=785713

Same here with Win2000 and Outlook XP

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Stefan Franke (sfranke)
Date: 2003-05-20 22:28

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=431616

I have the same one with Outlook2000 (SR-1) on Win2k.


----------------------------------------------------------------------

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https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=740311&group_id=61702

From bill at parducci.net  Fri May 23 16:05:39 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Fri May 23 18:05:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FAQ
Message-ID: <3ECE9B33.3010808@parducci.net>

here is the latest version of the FAQ. i have merged the pervious FAQ 
with INTEGRATION.txt (and a few other files) and added some recent stuff 
from the list. the reason i pulled in all this stuff was because there 
is some overlap with the FAQ and i think that a lot of the issues 
discussed elsewhere there can be more helpful if served up right from 
the beginning. (i for one have been guilty of asking questions that had 
answers written down *somewhere* in the code rep. ;-)

http://parducci.net/faq2.ht

anyway, for good or bad here it is for review.
(the internal links won't work until the file is moved to the main 
website and the first two tags are removed)

b




From seant at iname.com  Fri May 23 19:12:11 2003
From: seant at iname.com (Sean True)
Date: Fri May 23 18:12:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003
In-Reply-To: <E19JITf-0006BB-02@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <MJEHLHJKGINLONDMMKNEAEMGLCAA.seant@iname.com>

>Category: Outlook
>Group: None
>Status: Open
>Resolution: None
>Priority: 5
>Submitted By: Kenneth Haynes (kh4yn3s)
>Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
>Summary: Outlook 2003(beta) install fails

We've tested SpamAtBay (the imminent commercial version of SpamBayes for
Outlook) on
2003 quite a bit. Both SpamBayes and SpamAtBay fail to find the right COM
interface,
and then when they are fixed to, fail to get _any_ events delivered by
Outlook 2003.

There are a lot of issues floating around on the microsoft newsgroups about
events
in Outlook 2003. I suspect it's aggravated by the MS emphasis on .NET based
addins.

Basically, it doesn't work. When we figure out how (assuming we beat Mark to
it, a
dubious assumption), we'll share how with him!

-- Sean

<troll>Still looking for beta users, feel free to contact me.</troll>


From hank at vantconsulting.com  Fri May 23 17:05:21 2003
From: hank at vantconsulting.com (Henry Krzciuk)
Date: Fri May 23 19:05:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Remove SpamBayes
Message-ID: <000101c3217f$c9cb6860$0300a8c0@LIFEBOOK>

I tried loading to Outlook 2002 on XP.  Now I get an error every time I
open Outlook asking for Drive e:.  Plus it didn't create spam folder.
 
How can I remove SpamBayes from outlook.
 
Thanks,
Hank
From skip at pobox.com  Fri May 23 19:20:36 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri May 23 19:20:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Remove SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <000101c3217f$c9cb6860$0300a8c0@LIFEBOOK>
References: <000101c3217f$c9cb6860$0300a8c0@LIFEBOOK>
Message-ID: <16078.44228.599056.729671@montanaro.dyndns.org>

    Henry> I tried loading to Outlook 2002 on XP.  Now I get an error every
    Henry> time I open Outlook asking for Drive e:.  Plus it didn't create
    Henry> spam folder.

The drive e: problem is one some other people have reported.  Do you have a
removable device attached to drive e:?  If so, try inserting the appropriate
media.

As for the missing spam folder, I believe you need to create it yourself
from Outlook, then tell the plugin to put messages it classifies as spam in
it.  You should also create an Uncertain folder and tell it to put messages
marked unsure there.
 
    Henry> How can I remove SpamBayes from outlook.

Try searching for the plugin in the Add/Remove Software app in the Control
Panel. 

Skip


From jotdot at covad.net  Fri May 23 17:24:50 2003
From: jotdot at covad.net (Gene and Jo Ann)
Date: Fri May 23 19:26:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes
Message-ID: <000c01c32182$8287aa60$1686fea9@sony1>

I was wondering if you have this available for outlook express yet? If not, I will bide my time...

Thanks
From tim_one at email.msn.com  Fri May 23 21:46:28 2003
From: tim_one at email.msn.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri May 23 20:47:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes
In-Reply-To: <000c01c32182$8287aa60$1686fea9@sony1>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEKMEKAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>

[Gene and Jo Ann]
> I was wondering if you have this available for outlook express yet?
> If not, I will bide my time...

It's unlikely there will ever be an add-in for OE -- OE is a stripped-down
product that doesn't interact with other programs.  If you're comfortable
with playing with your computer, you could set up OE to use this project's
POP3 proxy (although if the phrase "POP3 proxy" gives you chills, you may
want to get a computer-nerd friend to help set it up).


From tim_one at email.msn.com  Fri May 23 22:46:53 2003
From: tim_one at email.msn.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri May 23 21:47:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Experimental Ham/Spam imbalance setting
In-Reply-To: <16E1010E4581B049ABC51D4975CEDB88619A8E@UKDCX001.uk.int.atosorigin.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEKOEKAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>

[Tim]
>> The fellow you're talking about has a pathologically low number of
>> ham;

[Moore, Paul]
> Hmm. I was a little worried about that possibility. The trouble is,
> it's a very similar situation to the one I'm in. I get virtually *no*
> ham (excluding mailing lists, which are filtered off before the email
> program sees them), but ridiculous amounts of spam (hundreds per
> day). I'd ignore email totally, if it wasn't for the fact that the
> few ham I do get are fairly important.
>
> I don't have any way of training on more ham - I train on it all.
>
> My current approach (which is working reasonably well) is to train on
> ham and unsures only, until I get good results, then stop *totally*.
> This has left me with a database containing 40-odd ham, and 150 spam.
> My unsure rate is tolerable, so I accept that I'm not going to do
> any better.

I don't know.  This project never did research on sub-200 msg databases, or
on highly skewed databases until late in the game.  My gut feeling is that
the sample size is indeed too small for a statistical approach to do a great
job.  Still, you *can* fiddle the ham and spam cutoffs to try to compensate,
and there a lot of other options to fiddle too.  You'd be doing new
research, of course.  In the archives you'll find reports of experiments on
fancier schemes using word n-grams (for n > 1), and I expect they could help
a lot:  word n-gram schemes certainly learn faster (fewer training msgs are
needed to get comparable results).  They didn't get pursued here because
they ran slower, needed more memory and bigger databases, and in
head-to-head tests on our typically much-larger-than-200-msg test sets
didn't do better than the highly tuned unigram scheme this project is still
using.

> I'm close to going for the other option - get a new mail account :-(

It's hard to imagine what good you're getting out of this one <wink>.

...

>> It remains experimental because the evidence was/is spotty and mixed.

> Yes, that was partly my point. As I understand things (I came into
> this after the extensive testing work had pretty much died down) it
> has become pretty much impossible to see significant test results
> now, thanks to the level of effectiveness which has been achieved.

It became flatly impossible to make any improvements on my main 50,000+ msg
test database -- there were no false negatives remaining, and the 6-or-so FP
remaining were hopeless.  Those tests were still geared toward my original
purpose, though, seeing whether this technology would work for high-volume
Mailman mailing lists.  All evidence said it would work superbly (but that
still hasn't been done).  What kinds of tweaks may work better for
individual, lower-volume inboxes didn't get nearly as much attention.

> What I see now is much more of a "real life gut feel" type of effect,
> which is nearly impossible to either quantify, or to reproduce
> reliably. Whether such evidence is useful is a difficult judgement
> call :-(

Objective results require a large variety of testers using their real life
inboxes.

> ...
> Hmm. I think I could explain this in end-user language. How does this
> sound:

Made up <wink>.

>     Compensate for unequal numbers of spam and ham
>     ----------------------------------------------
>
>     If your training database has significantly (5 times) more ham
>     than spam, or vice versa, you may start seeing an increase in
>     incorrect classifications

I've seen that a factor of 2 imbalance is enough to trigger surprises.

>     (messages put in the wrong category, not just marked as unsure). If
>     so, this option allows you to compensate for this, at the cost of
>     increasing the number of messages classified as "unsure".

Also at the cost of misclassifying msgs in the *other* direction.  So, e.g.,
setting the option True is most appropriate if you both (1) have more spam
than ham, and (2) have a deeper fear of false positives than false
negatives; or, (1a) have more ham than spam, and (2a) have a deeper fear of
false negatives than false positives.  Enabling the option is expected to
increase the Unsure rate in either case.  It's probably not the best way to
deal with imbalance either, it's just the best I could dream up at the time.

>     Note that the effect is subtle, and you should experiment with
>     both settings to choose the option that suits you best.

Why just this option?  There are *many* options under the covers, and their
effects on inboxes unlike the large and relatively balanced ones most people
tested on simply isn't known.  For example, decreasing unknown_word_strength
may help a lot on small and/or lopsided databases -- or may hurt a lot.  We
simply don't know, since it wasn't tested, and it's easy enough to make up a
*plausibility* argument either way.  Decreasing it will almost certainly
reduce the # of unsures, BTW -- but *probably* at the cost of increasing
misclassification rates.  When there's not much data to go on, it's likely
hard to get a pure win.  BTW, as you boost unknown_word_strength toward
infinity, every msg will tend toward a score of unknown_word_prob (which
defaults to 0.5).

...

>> Since mass testing here stopped, we haven't got useful feedback on
>> any of the non-default options.  Since there wasn't enough info to
>> decide about them when mass testing stopped, they still deserve a
>> chance to survive.  I hope mass testing resumes, but I can't drive
>> it (no time).  Until it does resume, the continued existence of
>> these options seems appropriate.

> Fair enough. I agree about testing, but I also don't have the time to
> do a good job (or the understanding, or the large corpus of data...)
>
> Spambayes is a victim of its own success. Theoretically, it's still
> only alpha, but we're getting a real live user base, support issues,
> the lot. I'm not sure whether to blame Microsoft for getting people
> used to the idea that alpha is as good as it gets, or the Greeks for
> not having any letters before alpha :-)

It's also a victim of economics:  the people who did most of the theoretical
"heavy lifting" (Gary Robinson, Rob Hooft, and me) aren't active here
anymore, and nobody has filled that void yet.  The things that were being
tested when I got yanked from this haven't made any progress, and MarkH's
attempt to get another test round started fizzled out (bless his heart for
trying, though!).  The protocols under which we developed this stuff (see
TESTING.txt) are solid, and when testing stopped there were still more
questions open than had been answered.  Dealing with small and/or lopsided
and/or real-life individual inboxes could be approached the same way, given
someone ruthless enough <wink> to drive it, and enough volunteer testers to
feed it.  It Would Work.

It's tedious and time-consuming work, though.  That's something I learned
from my life in commercial speech recognition:  there's plenty of clever
theory to be exploited, but making it work in real life requires an enormous
investment in data collection, cleaning, tagging and analysis, and
ruthlessness (lack of ego attachment) in letting the data tell you what is
and isn't working.  I suspect that's why no particularly good open source
speech recog program has appeared:  the huge mass of unglamorous grunt work
required doesn't attract volunteers, and most clever ideas get shot down by
the data (it's rarely an ego booster).  We got a good start on playing that
game here because my employer paid my salary to work on it at first, Gary
Robinson was borderline obsessed with dreaming up theoretically clean
foundations, and a wonderful group of testers was attracted enough by the
novelty and promise of it all to play along.

That was great while it lasted.  Deployment is more important over the long
run, but I regret that there's nothing driving the theoretical underpinnings
anymore.  BTW, I have to confess that it works so well on my personal
1,000-msg databases that I've got no incentive to try to make "spare time"
for it anymore -- to the extent spam was chafing me, my itch is thoroughly
scratched.

> Thanks for taking the time to explain all this.

Thanks for listening -- I bet you didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition
<wink>.


From bwims at yahoo.com  Sat May 24 12:42:17 2003
From: bwims at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Brian=20Williams?=)
Date: Sat May 24 06:42:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Improvement request
Message-ID: <20030524104217.40732.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,
 
many thanks for a marvelous product!
 
The only problem I have is that I use multiple outlook profiles. At work, I use Exchange and at home I use a personal folder for my mail delivery, which contains its own inbox, junk and maybe folders.  When I initiate Outlook with my work folder, it really screws up the buttons. The manager button doesn't work, and I get a duplicate pair of buttons appearing at the start of the standard toolbar.  Fix is to disable the COM object, exit, enter, re-enable COM object, (exit and re-enter?).
 
The only thing I can do right now is to disable the COM object before moving profiles.
 
What would be great would be either to have a button that toggles the functionality on/off, or (ideally) get it to recognise the different profiles.
 
Please don't think me ungrateful... this is a great product!
 
Thanks,
 
Brian Williams




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From ba at arrivalprojects.com  Sat May 24 10:46:40 2003
From: ba at arrivalprojects.com (Brent Ahsmuhs, Arrival Projects Group)
Date: Sat May 24 10:46:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express Support?
Message-ID: <003501c32203$4921bd20$94761e41@kc.rr.com>

Does SpamBayes support Outlook Express?  I'm on V 5

Please advise, thanks!

Brent Ahsmuhs

From bill at parducci.net  Sat May 24 11:15:29 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Sat May 24 13:15:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express Support?
References: <003501c32203$4921bd20$94761e41@kc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3ECFA8B1.1000106@parducci.net>

from an earlier post:

/*
Does Spambayes work with Outlook Express?

Outlook Express isn't a version of Outlook, it's a completely separate 
program (from the same company). Because they give it away for free, OE 
is a really stripped down program, and it's extremely difficult to 
create a plugin for it.

As someone else said, you can use pop3proxy or imapfilter (depending on 
whether you use POP3 or IMAP). Check out the INTEGRATION.TXT file for 
instructions.

Pop3proxy/imapfilter aren't quite as 'transparent' as the Outlook 
plugin, but they're still quite easy to use/setup, and they use the same 
core, so the results will be the same
*/

b

Brent Ahsmuhs, Arrival Projects Group wrote:
> Does SpamBayes support Outlook Express?  I'm on V 5
> 
> Please advise, thanks!
> 
> Brent Ahsmuhs
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes



From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sat May 24 11:33:49 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sat May 24 13:33:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-742791 ] Install fails with TypeError
Message-ID: <E19Jctx-0005pr-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #742791, was opened at 2003-05-24 17:33
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Category: Outlook
Group: v1.0 (example)
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Rajendra Wall (dirtynuke)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Install fails with TypeError

Initial Comment:
on WXP/Outlook 2K, install failed with TypeError:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 10, in ?
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 
59, in ?
  
File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\gencache.py
", line 341, in EnsureModule
  
File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\gencache.py
", line 213, in GetModuleForTypelib
  
File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\client\gencache.py
", line 473, in _GetModule
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 335, in doimport
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 181, in getmod
  File "E:\src\Installer\archive.py", line 375, in getmod
TypeError: unbound method getmod() must be called 
with DirOwner instance as first argument (got 
ExtInPkgImporter instance instead)


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From w1az at arrl.net  Sat May 24 20:15:41 2003
From: w1az at arrl.net (Bernie Gardner)
Date: Sat May 24 15:15:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with pop3proxy
Message-ID: <1053803470.4315.9.camel@linux.local>

I'm just starting to use spambayes and need a little assistance.  I am
using SuSE linux 8.2 and Evolution as a mail program.  When I set up the
localhost:port address in Evolution and start pop3proxy with the same
port number, I get a connection refused error when I try to check mail
on the isp server.  

Thanks for any suggestions!

-- 
Bernie Gardner <w1az@arrl.net>


From skip at pobox.com  Sat May 24 16:28:10 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sat May 24 16:28:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with pop3proxy
In-Reply-To: <1053803470.4315.9.camel@linux.local>
References: <1053803470.4315.9.camel@linux.local>
Message-ID: <16079.54746.974946.960554@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Bernie> I'm just starting to use spambayes and need a little assistance.
    Bernie> I am using SuSE linux 8.2 and Evolution as a mail program.  When
    Bernie> I set up the localhost:port address in Evolution and start
    Bernie> pop3proxy with the same port number, I get a connection refused
    Bernie> error when I try to check mail on the isp server.

What app gets the connection refused, Evolution or pop3proxy?  If it's
pop3proxy, can you send us your configuration info?  If it's Evolution, make
sure you have pop3proxy started first.  (I know that's probably obvious, but
it's not clear that's what you did from your wording.)

Skip


From rallan at helical.com  Sat May 24 17:56:08 2003
From: rallan at helical.com (Robb Aley Allan)
Date: Sat May 24 16:55:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] applescript to control pop3proxy in OS X
Message-ID: <248C5B76-8E2A-11D7-B133-000393796B40@helical.com>

Just for fun, I've written an applescript that launches and monitors 
the spambayes pop3proxy from a double-clickable icon, which can be 
stored on the desktop or the dock to stop and start the proxy. If you 
all have any interest in looking this over for inclusion as a utility, 
I'd be happy to send it along.

  --
Robb Aley Allan

robb@helical.com
robballan@minskoff.com


From richard at varnes.com  Sat May 24 17:28:46 2003
From: richard at varnes.com (Richard Varnes)
Date: Sat May 24 17:29:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Installation
Message-ID: <001401c3223b$790ee520$0200a8c0@Portable>

I have installed Spambayes and it works perfectly.  I was wondering if
it remembers the characteristics of junk mail if the mail in the junk
mail folder is deleted.
 
Richard Varnes
225 Trails End Rd
Elkhorn NE, 68022
richard@varnes.com
tel: 402-289-5825
fax: 805-293-8545
cell: 402-690-4825

  _____  

 
<http://promos.hotbar.com/promos/promodll.dll?RunPromo&El=hotbar%5feleme
nt%3bst%3b&SG=&RAND=16478> Upgrade Your Email - Click here! 
From w1az at arrl.net  Sat May 24 23:26:37 2003
From: w1az at arrl.net (Bernie Gardner)
Date: Sat May 24 18:26:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with pop3proxy
In-Reply-To: <16079.54746.974946.960554@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <1053803470.4315.9.camel@linux.local>
	<16079.54746.974946.960554@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <1053814925.4316.14.camel@linux.local>

On Sat, 2003-05-24 at 16:28, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>     Bernie> I'm just starting to use spambayes and need a little assistance.
>     Bernie> I am using SuSE linux 8.2 and Evolution as a mail program.  When
>     Bernie> I set up the localhost:port address in Evolution and start
>     Bernie> pop3proxy with the same port number, I get a connection refused
>     Bernie> error when I try to check mail on the isp server.
> 
> What app gets the connection refused, Evolution or pop3proxy?  If it's
> pop3proxy, can you send us your configuration info?  If it's Evolution, make
> sure you have pop3proxy started first.  (I know that's probably obvious, but
> it's not clear that's what you did from your wording.)
> 
> Skip

Thanks for the reply and reasonable suggestions.  I did start pop3proxy
first,and in fact I can access the setup pages in my browser with no
problem.  I think it is Evolution which is refused by my local computer,
not pop3proxy by the isp.  The error message definitely comes from
Evolution and comes up immediately after I press send/recieve.


-- 
Bernie Gardner <w1az@arrl.net>


From sgrigsby at worldnet.att.net  Sat May 24 20:50:14 2003
From: sgrigsby at worldnet.att.net (Shirley Grigsby)
Date: Sat May 24 20:45:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Integration with Outlook Express - Tim's fix not
	appearing
Message-ID: <003201c32257$a5703800$2413570c@compaqcomputer>

Today I downloaded and installed version 1.0a2 and got it working down to adding the "X-SpamBayes-Classification" to the email headers.  I then realized that Outlook Express would not sort on headers, nor could my Outlook 97 apparently.

I saw where Tim Stone addressed this problem on the website at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2003-February/003200.html:
>Comment By: Tim Stone (timstone4)
Date: 2003-02-08 20:36

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=645698

Added a configuration option to add classification to recipient list, which can be tested by Outlook Express mail rules.  See
Option Configuration page in the pop3proxy user interface.

However, when I open my newly downloaded pop3proxy.py interface, I do not find this option on the main page nor the linked Configurations page.  Was it dropped in the newest version?  I would love to have a solution, as I spent my entire day getting this up and going . . . to no avail.  Please help if you can; I'm desperate to stop the awful spam.

Many thanks,
Shirley Grigsby

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sat May 24 19:30:41 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sat May 24 21:30:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740843 ] No Disk Error with Outlook
	2000 on startup
Message-ID: <E19JkLR-0008H7-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740843, was opened at 2003-05-21 01:39
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Sam Snow (snowsam)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: No Disk Error with Outlook 2000 on startup

Initial Comment:
After installing SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-002.exe I am
now getting an error dialog on Outlook startup. The box
says:

(Header) Inbox - Microsoft Outlook:OUTLOOK.EXE - No Disk
(Body) There is no disk in the drive. Please insert a
disk into drive \Device\Harddisk0\DR0.
(Buttons) Cancel, Try Again, Continue

I am able to click cancel or continue several times and
then outlook goes ahead and opens up. I just installed
this evening, so I am not sure if the filtering is
still working correctly. I was able to train the
program sucessfully. 

I am using Office 2000 SP3 on Win 2000. I will try to
attach a jpg of the dialog box. 

My error log says the following:

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\Snow1\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\Snow1\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 0 spam and 0 good messages
Loaded databases in 4.64165ms
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Spam
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 31.9599ms
pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
line 275, in _Invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
line 280, in _invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line
203, in OnItemAdd
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line
163, in ProcessMessage
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line
15, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line
440, in score
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line
217, in chi2_spamprob
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line
465, in _getclues
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line
316, in probability
exceptions.AssertionError: 





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Comment By: Ferruccio Barletta (fgb)
Date: 2003-05-25 01:30

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=786210

I get the same error with Office 2002 SP1 on Windows XP SP1


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From tim_one at email.msn.com  Sat May 24 23:01:27 2003
From: tim_one at email.msn.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Sat May 24 22:02:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Installation
In-Reply-To: <001401c3223b$790ee520$0200a8c0@Portable>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGENMEKAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>

[Richard Varnes]
> I have installed Spambayes and it works perfectly.

Glad to hear it!  Please keep in mind that this is "alpha" software:  the
developers don't consider it to be production-quality yet, and you will find
bugs.  You're a pioneer if you're using it now (which is a good thing -- I'm
not trying to dissuade you <wink>).

> I was wondering if it remembers the characteristics of junk mail if the
> mail in the junk mail folder is deleted.

That depends on the exact details of how you're using spambayes.  In
general, yes, it does remember, until you retrain it from scratch.  Because
it is alpha software, most of the developers keep their junk mail around, in
order to recover and retrain after a bug damages the database.


From mail at peterbe.com  Sun May 25 04:17:29 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Sat May 24 22:59:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] applescript to control pop3proxy in OS X
In-Reply-To: <248C5B76-8E2A-11D7-B133-000393796B40@helical.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030525031706.0220dea0@mail.grenna.net>

At 16:56 2003-05-24 -0400, Robb Aley Allan wrote:
>Just for fun, I've written an applescript that launches and monitors the 
>spambayes pop3proxy from a double-clickable icon, which can be stored on 
>the desktop or the dock to stop and start the proxy. If you all have any 
>interest in looking this over for inclusion as a utility, I'd be happy to 
>send it along.

Can this please be uploaded to the sourceforge files page?

>  --
>Robb Aley Allan
>
>robb@helical.com
>robballan@minskoff.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Spambayes mailing list
>Spambayes@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri May 23 10:34:24 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun May 25 02:52:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <001501c32080$a93177c0$8d80b042@dexter>
Message-ID: <119301c320ba$ae52e560$530f8490@eden>

> Whoops. I forgot to mention that I used Mark's installer,
> version 002, on an
> SP2 version of Outlook XP.

I am suspecting that the specific version of Outlook XP is the real issue
here.  It also makes alot of sense that SP2 would fix customer complaints
about all kinds of plugins breaking, not just ours.

How about we say that Outlook XP SP2 is "known to work", and that earlier
versions are "known to have some issues".  We can then correct it when
people correct us :)

I would drop the "XP Home" and "XP Professional" distinction - I seriously
doubt that would have any impact, and we should have "2000 Pro/Server"
distinctions if we make that one.

Re the "Exchange Server" comments in your matrix: I would tone down the
disclaimer, as it does now work fairly well in that environment (with one or
2 minor bugs specific to it).  I even have a (very quiet) Exchange Server
currently that I am able to run against.

I'm happy to hack something up on this if you like - just let me know when
you have checked in your latest.  It looks excellent though - thanks!

Mark.


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sun May 25 05:41:00 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sun May 25 07:41:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-712480 ] Outlook 2002 (XP)
	installation fails
Message-ID: <E19Jts4-0002Kv-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #712480, was opened at 2003-03-31 15:47
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Paul Marrero (pmarrero)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook 2002 (XP) installation fails

Initial Comment:
I use office XP with the Outlook client.  It appears that 
the registration was successfull but I cannnot find any 
menu buttons.  XP clipboard does appear to have the 
Icons.  The command line train works.  Not sure where 
to go from here.  

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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-25 21:41

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Failes with Outlook XP ver.10.4712.4219 sp-2

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-23 09:40

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

*sob* - so it certainly fails with Outlook SP2 here?  

ecvogel - is your traceback identical to this one?

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Comment By: Eric C. Vogel (ecvogel)
Date: 2003-05-23 05:20

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=784818

Same here. Outlook XP all SP and patches, WIn XP Pro SP1 
all patches. The file is registered and in the COM and has the 
check. Exchange Server 2000 all SP and patches on SBS 
2kSP-1 all patches. 002 install

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Comment By: Steve McCullough (sm5669)
Date: 2003-05-20 08:24

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=782446

Same here.  Outlook 2002 on Win2000 with all the latest SPs 
and patches applied.  Log file...

warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, 
args, kwargs)
warning: use func(*args, **kwargs) instead of apply(func, 
args, kwargs)
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\PYTHON32\lib\site-
packages\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, args, 
None, None)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\PYTHON32\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwargs, 
serviceProvider)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\PYTHON32\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, dispid, lcid, 
wFlags, args, kwArgs, serviceProvider)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\PYTHON32\lib\site-
packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
    return apply(func, args)
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 654, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 15, 
in ?
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\msgstore.py", line 86, 
in ?
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
exceptions.ImportError: No module named win32com.mapi


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Comment By: Tormod Hystad (thystad)
Date: 2003-05-16 17:27

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=780089

Exactly same as Nick here. Win2003 RC2, Outlook XP 
(Norwegian, version 10.2627.4219 SP2, configured with one 
Exchange (Standard) email acount) and the 002 install 
package.

Thanks,
Tormod

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Comment By: Nick Trautmann (nicktrautmann)
Date: 2003-05-12 18:15

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=776857

Similar here:

pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 156, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 71, 
in import_core_spambayes_stuff
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\spambayes\tokenizer.py", line 659, 
in ?
exceptions.AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no 
attribute 'skip_max_word_size'
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\Nick\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 156, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 71, 
in import_core_spambayes_stuff
exceptions.ImportError: cannot import name tokenize

Thanks
Nick


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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-04-01 12:48

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Actually, I get this too.  I've just switched to Outlook XP, so 
I'm not sure if this is the reason, or just that I'm doing a fresh 
install.  The log includes the following traces:

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Failed to load bayes database
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 310, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\tameyer\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Either bayes database or message database is missing - 
creating new
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 165, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 329, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 378, 
in InitNewBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 94, 
in new_bayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
exceptions.AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Failed to load bayes database
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 310, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\tameyer\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Either bayes database or message database is missing - 
creating new
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 
541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, 
in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 165, 
in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 329, 
in LoadBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 378, 
in InitNewBayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 94, 
in new_bayes
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 118, 
in open_bayes
exceptions.AttributeError: 'module' object has no 
attribute 'DBDictClassifier'


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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-03-31 16:05

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Which version of the Outlook plugin are you using?  (a) the 
latest CVS, (b) the 001 stand-alone installer, or (c) the 002 
stand-alone installer?  I know that the 001 installer has been 
known to have this problem (although it appeared to be fixed 
in 002).

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sun May 25 05:47:35 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sun May 25 07:47:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-743113 ] Multiple profile issues
Message-ID: <E19JtyR-00005U-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #743113, was opened at 2003-05-25 21:47
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Multiple profile issues

Initial Comment:
The only problem I have is that I use multiple outlook
profiles. At work, I use Exchange and at home I use a
personal folder for my mail delivery, which contains
its own inbox, junk and maybe folders.  When I initiate
Outlook with my work folder, it really screws up the
buttons. The manager button doesn't work, and I get a
duplicate pair of buttons appearing at the start of the
standard toolbar.  Fix is to disable the COM object,
exit, enter, re-enable COM object, (exit and re-enter?).
 
The only thing I can do right now is to disable the COM
object before moving profiles.
 
What would be great would be either to have a button
that toggles the functionality on/off, or (ideally) get
it to recognise the different profiles.


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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sun May 25 22:47:58 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun May 25 07:48:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Improvement request
In-Reply-To: <20030524104217.40732.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <18f101c322b3$7db4d800$530f8490@eden>

Thanks - that sounds like a real bug :)  I've added
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=743113&group_id=617
02&atid=498103

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Brian Williams
> Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2003 8:42 PM
> To: SpamBayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Improvement request
>
>
> Hi,
>
> many thanks for a marvelous product!
>
> The only problem I have is that I use multiple outlook
> profiles. At work, I use Exchange and at home I use a
> personal folder for my mail delivery, which contains its own
> inbox, junk and maybe folders.  When I initiate Outlook with
> my work folder, it really screws up the buttons. The manager
> button doesn't work, and I get a duplicate pair of buttons
> appearing at the start of the standard toolbar.  Fix is to
> disable the COM object, exit, enter, re-enable COM object,
> (exit and re-enter?).
>
> The only thing I can do right now is to disable the COM
> object before moving profiles.
>
> What would be great would be either to have a button that
> toggles the functionality on/off, or (ideally) get it to
> recognise the different profiles.
>
> Please don't think me ungrateful... this is a great product!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Williams
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> It's Samaritans' Week. Help Samaritans help others.
> Call 08709 000032 to give or donate online now at
> http://www.samaritans.org/support/donations.shtm
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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sun May 25 23:00:20 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun May 25 08:01:16 2003
Subject: Format of Spam Field in Plugin (was RE: [Spambayes] (no subject))
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301AB3B33@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <18f201c322b5$37b639a0$530f8490@eden>

[Tony]

> > The instructions say that under "User Defined Fields" there 
> > will be a button with a "Spam" label. Sure enough it is 
> > there. :) However, when I drag the field to the Inbox header, 
> > the field Type is "Number" instead of "Percent" and the 
> > Format is "All Digits 1,234,567 -1,234,567" instead of 
> > "Rounded 65% -65%".
> 
> Hopefully Mark will notice this message (hence the changed 
> subject) and
> answer it, because he might know.

Mark noticed it just fine - unfortunately, he still doesn't know <wink>

> Mark, did you change from number to percent since the binary release?
> Maybe my old folders are numbers, and new ones percents?

I haven't touched that for ages, since, we thought, we got it right (or more
accurately, got it as close enough to how we wanted that it actually seemed
to work)

Mark.
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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sun May 25 06:04:08 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sun May 25 08:04:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740311 ] 'skip_max_word_size' error on
	XP
Message-ID: <E19JuES-00039I-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740311, was opened at 2003-05-20 18:09
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>Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Rony Steelandt (bucodi)
>Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
>Summary: 'skip_max_word_size'  error on XP

Initial Comment:
Installed the binary installer 002 on XP Pro

No spamb buttons added
Here is the logfile

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\rony.BUCODI\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 
170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", 
line 322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", 
line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", 
line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 
655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 
475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 
156, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 
71, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\spambayes\tokenizer.py", line 
659, in ?
exceptions.AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no 
attribute 'skip_max_word_size'


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Comment By: Harald Meyer (hmeyer666)
Date: 2003-05-24 06:36

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=785713

Same here with Win2000 and Outlook XP

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Comment By: Stefan Franke (sfranke)
Date: 2003-05-21 08:28

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=431616

I have the same one with Outlook2000 (SR-1) on Win2k.


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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sun May 25 06:04:49 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sun May 25 08:04:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-731538 ] SpamBayes not filtering
	messages.
Message-ID: <E19JuF7-0007Vs-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #731538, was opened at 2003-05-03 05:05
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>Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Brian Takita (btakita)
>Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: SpamBayes not filtering messages.

Initial Comment:
The Delete as Spam button does not work either.

It gives email spam a score if I request it.

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Comment By: Brian Takita (btakita)
Date: 2003-05-04 08:21

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=620484

Windows 2000
Outlook XP
Python 2.2
SpamBayes 1.0a2

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-03 21:41

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Sorry - my mistake - you already did that - thanks!

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Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-03 21:40

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Can you please see the about.html file that comes with the
package (click "About" on the main Window), see how to find
the log for your sesssion, and attach it to this bug?

Thanks

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Comment By: Tim Stone (timstone4)
Date: 2003-05-03 05:50

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=645698

Can you give us a bit more info here?  What platform are you running on, 
what version of python, what version of Outlook, what version of 
spambayes (alpha1, alpha2, current cvs)?

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sun May 25 06:06:45 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sun May 25 08:06:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-743122 ] Outlook 2002 auto-complete
	breaks
Message-ID: <E19JuGz-0007bV-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #743122, was opened at 2003-05-25 22:06
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook 2002 auto-complete breaks

Initial Comment:
Just installed SpamBayes and I think it breaks the
auto-complete popup list for email addresses used in
the To field in Outlook.  The popup still appears but
only with the first letter of each email address - the
rest of the email address doesn't appear.  I've
uninstalled and reinstalled SpamBayes several times to
confirm this problem.  I'm running Outlook 2002 (SP2)
on Windows 2000 (SP3).

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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sun May 25 23:06:56 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun May 25 08:07:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] possible bug
In-Reply-To: <C03901D7B1AB924FA9D6CB83D80E70DC65F9D7@asc2.alphas.com>
Message-ID: <190101c322b6$238cfb20$530f8490@eden>

Thanks - I added
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=743122&group_id=617
02&atid=498103

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of John Hadzima
> Sent: Friday, 23 May 2003 9:43 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] possible bug
> 
> 
> Just installed SpamBayes and I think it breaks the auto-complete popup
> list for email addresses used in the To field in Outlook.  The popup
> still appears but only with the first letter of each email 
> address - the
> rest of the email address doesn't appear.  I've uninstalled and
> reinstalled SpamBayes several times to confirm this problem.  I'm
> running Outlook 2002 (SP2) on Windows 2000 (SP3).  Attached 
> are a couple
> screen shots that will hopefully give you a clearer idea of what I'm
> talking about.
> 
> John
> 
>  
> 
>  <<Outlook_AutoComplete_Working1.jpg>>  
> <<Outlook_AutoComplete_Broken1.jpg>> 
> 
> 
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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Sun May 25 23:17:03 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun May 25 08:17:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
In-Reply-To: <16078.28454.179381.468975@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <191401c322b7$8ecb6600$530f8490@eden>

> I guess the question is still open.  How do I get back all
> the way to the
> pre-plugin state: no registration, no configuration, etc.?
> There must be
> some files or registry entries laying about even after the
> uninstall step.

The Outlook toolbar doesn't always behave exactly as documented either :)
Unfortunately, you will need to right-click the toolbar, select "Customise",
and Reset the standard toolbar.

Mark.


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sun May 25 06:31:08 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sun May 25 08:31:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-743131 ] connection refused with
	pop3proxy
Message-ID: <E19Juea-0000xp-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #743131, was opened at 2003-05-25 08:31
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Category: pop3proxy
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Bernie Gardner (berniegardner)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: connection refused with pop3proxy

Initial Comment:
I'm just starting to use spambayes and need a little
assistance. I am using SuSE linux 8.2 and Evolution as
a mail program.  When I set up the localhost:port
address in Evolution and start pop3proxy with the same
port number, I get a connection refused error when I
try to check mail on the isp server.  
I started pop3proxy first,and in fact I can access the
setup pages in my browser from localhost:8880 with no
problem.  I think it is Evolution which is refused by
my local computer, not pop3proxy by the isp.  The error
message definitely comes from Evolution and comes up
immediately after I press send/recieve.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sun May 25 08:40:41 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sun May 25 10:40:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740843 ] No Disk Error with Outlook
	2000 on startup
Message-ID: <E19Jwfx-0008Up-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740843, was opened at 2003-05-21 01:39
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Sam Snow (snowsam)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: No Disk Error with Outlook 2000 on startup

Initial Comment:
After installing SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-002.exe I am
now getting an error dialog on Outlook startup. The box
says:

(Header) Inbox - Microsoft Outlook:OUTLOOK.EXE - No Disk
(Body) There is no disk in the drive. Please insert a
disk into drive \Device\Harddisk0\DR0.
(Buttons) Cancel, Try Again, Continue

I am able to click cancel or continue several times and
then outlook goes ahead and opens up. I just installed
this evening, so I am not sure if the filtering is
still working correctly. I was able to train the
program sucessfully. 

I am using Office 2000 SP3 on Win 2000. I will try to
attach a jpg of the dialog box. 

My error log says the following:

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\Snow1\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\Snow1\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 0 spam and 0 good messages
Loaded databases in 4.64165ms
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Spam
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 31.9599ms
pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
line 275, in _Invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
line 280, in _invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line
203, in OnItemAdd
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line
163, in ProcessMessage
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line
15, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line
440, in score
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line
217, in chi2_spamprob
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line
465, in _getclues
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line
316, in probability
exceptions.AssertionError: 





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Comment By: Ferruccio Barletta (fgb)
Date: 2003-05-25 14:40

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=786210

I may have found the root cause of this problem. When I brought 
up disk management on my notebook I noticed that my hard 
drive was Disk1 and the SD media drive was Disk0. When I 
disabled the SD drive and rebooted, the hard drive became 
Disk0 and the problem disappeared.


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Comment By: Ferruccio Barletta (fgb)
Date: 2003-05-25 01:30

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=786210

I get the same error with Office 2002 SP1 on Windows XP SP1


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From skip at pobox.com  Sun May 25 11:26:04 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sun May 25 11:26:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with pop3proxy
In-Reply-To: <1053814925.4316.14.camel@linux.local>
References: <1053803470.4315.9.camel@linux.local>
	<16079.54746.974946.960554@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<1053814925.4316.14.camel@linux.local>
Message-ID: <16080.57484.886961.802578@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Bernie> I did start pop3proxy first, and in fact I can access the setup
    Bernie> pages in my browser with no problem.  I think it is Evolution
    Bernie> which is refused by my local computer, not pop3proxy by the isp.
    Bernie> The error message definitely comes from Evolution and comes up
    Bernie> immediately after I press send/recieve.

Can you tell that pop3proxy is listening to the port you think it should be
listening to (localhost:110 for example)?  If you're not running as root,
make sure you selected a port > 1024.  If you execute "netstat -an" you
should see something like "127.0.0.1:NNN" in the Local Address column with
"LISTEN" in the State column.  You should also be able to telnet to port NNN
of your machine while pop3proxy is running.

Also try a "netstat -an" without running pop3proxy.  Perhaps your system
already has something listening to port NNN and you'll have to pick another
port.

Skip


From bkc at murkworks.com  Sun May 25 17:13:26 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Sun May 25 15:54:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Collecting word lists.. - BUMMER
In-Reply-To: <20030521164223.GA16321@calvin>
References: <3ECB5F8E.18223.8466880@localhost>
Message-ID: <3ED0EBA5.15635.1DF18942@localhost>

Ok, everyone say "I told you so".

Something seems amiss with my analysis, I just find it hard to believe that users 
have so few words in common.

I've collected wordlists from about 8 or 9 folks and want to see how many words are 
common.

Either my code is bad, the sha collection process is flawed or there really isn't much 
in common, but I didn't expect it to be this bad.

First comparing personal corpuses that all claim to be english.

[bkc@strader data]$ python2.3 ../countwords.py key-hash.*
loading  key-hash.ark3 24295
loading  key-hash.markh 79488
loading  key-hash.papadoc 19260
loading  key-hash.popiel 376496
loading  key-hash.skip 392161
loading  key-hash.tameyer 45776
loading  key-hash.wjp 198470
Loaded 7 wordlists with 947127 distinct words out of 1135946 total words
Word counts by number of collections each word is seen in
Col.  # Words % of unique words
1     823450 86.9%
2      71131 7.5%
3      40919 4.3%
4      10690 1.1%
5        905 0.1%
6         32 0.0%
7          0 0.0%


And now through in another one that claims to have "lots of french words"

[bkc@strader data]$ python2.3 ../countwords.py key-hash.* french-key-hash.alf 
loading  key-hash.ark3 24295
loading  key-hash.markh 79488
loading  key-hash.papadoc 19260
loading  key-hash.popiel 376496
loading  key-hash.skip 392161
loading  key-hash.tameyer 45776
loading  key-hash.wjp 198470
loading  french-key-hash.alf 186599
Loaded 8 wordlists with 1059601 distinct words out of 1322545 total words
Word counts by number of collections each word is seen in
Col.  # Words % of unique words
1     911816 86.1%
2      79202 7.5%
3      33255 3.1%
4      25001 2.4%
5       9437 0.9%
6        859 0.1%
7         31 0.0%
8          0 0.0%

And now, here's a collection of "test" data, which I assume came from the same test 
dataset, but seems strangely low common word count too.

[bkc@strader data]$ python2.3 ../countwords.py key-hash[0-9]*
loading  key-hash12 17784
loading  key-hash161 28584
loading  key-hash162 18167
loading  key-hash168 30469
loading  key-hash533 16806
loading  key-hash548 27110
loading  key-hash578 30389
loading  key-hash586 32707
loading  key-hash600 16659
loading  key-hash887 16463
Loaded 10 wordlists with 232531 distinct words out of 235138 total words
Word counts by number of collections each word is seen in
Col.  # Words % of unique words
1     230098 99.0%
2       2276 1.0%
3        141 0.1%
4         15 0.0%
5          1 0.0%
6          0 0.0%
7          0 0.0%
8          0 0.0%
9          0 0.0%
10          0 0.0%


Finally, here's my code. Note that I use a dictionary to map each sha into a number, 
then do the analysis on the number.

I also put the numbers into a set. I was planning on using the sets for further analysis 
but the "global numbers" are so bad, I don't see any point in playing around with the 
sets. (so, they're not used in this code) Anyone see anything wrong with this code?

"""countwords.py"""

import sets
import os, sys

class   WordList(object):
    def __init__(self,path):
        self.path = path
        self.name = os.path.basename(path)
        self.set = sets.Set()

    def load(self,globaldict,countdict):
        f = file(self.path,'rb')
        set = self.set
        nextID = len(globaldict) + 1
        while 1:
            w = f.read(20)
            if not w or len(w) != 20:
                break
            idnumber = globaldict.get(w,None)
            if not idnumber:
                globaldict[w] = idnumber = nextID
                nextID += 1
            set.add(idnumber)
            countdict[idnumber] = countdict.get(idnumber,0) + 1


class   WordCollection(object):
    def __init__(self,filepathlist):
        """Load up the words in each file and cross check them"""
        self.globaldict = globaldict = dict()
        self.countdict = countdict = dict()
        self.collection = []
        self.totalwordcount = 0
        for filepath in filepathlist:
            w = WordList(filepath)
            self.collection.append(w)
            print "loading ",w.name,
            w.load(globaldict,countdict)
            l = len(w.set)
            print l
            self.totalwordcount += l
            

    def printstats(self):
        """Figure out some stats"""
        uniqueWordCount = len(self.globaldict)
        print "Loaded %d wordlists with %d distinct words out of %d total words" % \
            (len(self.collection), uniqueWordCount,self.totalwordcount)

        # now get counts for each word and bin them
        bins = [0]*(len(self.collection)+1) # should never be more then total number of WordLists
        for cnt in self.countdict.values():
            try:
                bins[cnt] += 1
            except IndexError:
                print "hey, cnt is ",cnt

        print "Word counts by number of collections each word is seen in"
        print "Col.",'',"# Words","% of unique words"
        for cnt,bin in enumerate(bins):
            if not cnt:
                continue
            print cnt,'',"% 9d" % bin,"%3.1f%%" % (100.0 * bin/uniqueWordCount)
            
if __name__ == "__main__":
    if len(sys.argv) > 1:
        wc = WordCollection(sys.argv[1:])
        wc.printstats()
    else:
        print "Usage: %s files ... " % sys.argv[0]


The above code is supposed to match this extraction code:

    >>> import anydbm
    >>> import sha
    >>> db = anydbm.open("hammie.db")
    >>> f = open("key-hash", "w")
    >>> for k in db.keys():
    ...   o = sha.new(k)
    ...   f.write(o.digest())
    ... 
    >>> f.close()
    >>> db.close()


-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From bkc at murkworks.com  Sun May 25 17:15:59 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Sun May 25 15:56:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] The bounce message..
Message-ID: <3ED0EC3E.15965.1DF3E022@localhost>

Should indicate that the post went through to the list anyway.

That is, if it did go through.. Did my post go through? did this one?


-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Sun May 25 14:18:23 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Sun May 25 16:18:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] The bounce message.. 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Brad Clements" <bkc@murkworks.com> 
	of "Sun, 25 May 2003 16:15:59 EDT." <3ED0EC3E.15965.1DF3E022@localhost> 
References: <3ED0EC3E.15965.1DF3E022@localhost> 
Message-ID: <20030525201823.A53132DE36@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <3ED0EC3E.15965.1DF3E022@localhost>
             "Brad Clements" <bkc@murkworks.com> writes:

>Should indicate that the post went through to the list anyway.
>
>That is, if it did go through.. Did my post go through? did this one?

I saw it.

- Alex

From nas at python.ca  Sun May 25 14:26:17 2003
From: nas at python.ca (Neil Schemenauer)
Date: Sun May 25 16:23:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Collecting word lists.. - BUMMER
In-Reply-To: <3ED0EBA5.15635.1DF18942@localhost>
References: <3ECB5F8E.18223.8466880@localhost>
	<3ED0EBA5.15635.1DF18942@localhost>
Message-ID: <20030525202617.GA22013@glacier.arctrix.com>

Brad Clements wrote:
> Ok, everyone say "I told you so".
> 
> Something seems amiss with my analysis, I just find it hard to believe
> that users have so few words in common.

I think you are missing a piece of the puzzle.  Of the words in common,
how often do they appear in messages?  IOW, your results could mean
there are a lot of "noise" words bloating everyone's DB and that they
don't significantly affect classification.  The common words could be
the ones that really matter.

  Neil

From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Sun May 25 14:44:30 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Sun May 25 16:44:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Collecting word lists.. - BUMMER 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Brad Clements" <bkc@murkworks.com> 
	of "Sun, 25 May 2003 16:13:26 EDT." <3ED0EBA5.15635.1DF18942@localhost> 
References: <3ECB5F8E.18223.8466880@localhost>
	<3ED0EBA5.15635.1DF18942@localhost> 
Message-ID: <20030525204430.EC84B2DE36@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <3ED0EBA5.15635.1DF18942@localhost>
             "Brad Clements" <bkc@murkworks.com> writes:

>Ok, everyone say "I told you so".

"I told you so", even though I didn't expect this sort of result.
(I thought it would be pointless, not impossible.)

>Something seems amiss with my analysis, I just find it hard to believe
>that users have so few words in common.

I also think this is extremely peculiar.

>Either my code is bad, the sha collection process is flawed or there
>really isn't much in common, but I didn't expect it to be this bad.

I don't see anything wrong with your analysis code, so I'm beginning
to suspect the collection process is flawed.  I'm perfectly willing to
make my non-SHA'd wordlist available for verification.  If there's more
than 71131 words in common between my wordlist and your wordlist, then
we _know_ there's something wrong with the collection process.

>First comparing personal corpuses that all claim to be english.
>
>Loaded 7 wordlists with 947127 distinct words out of 1135946 total words
>Word counts by number of collections each word is seen in
>Col.  # Words % of unique words
>1     823450 86.9%
>2      71131 7.5%
>3      40919 4.3%
>4      10690 1.1%
>5        905 0.1%
>6         32 0.0%
>7          0 0.0%

Now this is just too strange to believe... for English mail, there
should be at least about 5000 words in common among everybody; that's
the size of the everyday usage English vocabulary.  This number should
even be bloated a bit by aliasing due to punctuation.

- Alex

From skip at pobox.com  Sun May 25 18:27:14 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sun May 25 18:27:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Collecting word lists.. - BUMMER
In-Reply-To: <3ED0EBA5.15635.1DF18942@localhost>
References: <3ECB5F8E.18223.8466880@localhost>
	<3ED0EBA5.15635.1DF18942@localhost>
Message-ID: <16081.17218.457732.286578@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Brad> Something seems amiss with my analysis, I just find it hard to
    Brad> believe that users have so few words in common.

"word" has to be defined.  There are tons of synthetic tokens in the mix.  I
suspect many of those synthetic tokens will be unique among such a small
population.  Many (most? all?) synthetic words will contain a colon (some
non-synthetic words will as well).  I just quickly looked through my current
database and found of 392,849 tokens, 138,855 contain a colon.  Maybe the
comparison should be restricted to non-synthetic tokens.

Another quick scan shows that of the 392,849 tokens, 233,961 are hapaxes.
Maybe another source of uniqueness.

Skip

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon May 26 09:50:01 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun May 25 18:50:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Alternative to binary installer
In-Reply-To: <16078.12725.91836.254995@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <1a3c01c3230f$f99a33a0$530f8490@eden>

> Is that roughly correct?

Sounds completely correct to me.

Mark.


From tim_one at email.msn.com  Sun May 25 20:08:33 2003
From: tim_one at email.msn.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun May 25 19:09:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Collecting word lists.. - BUMMER
In-Reply-To: <3ED0EBA5.15635.1DF18942@localhost>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEAMELAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>

[Brad Clements, with odd results]

It's not credible that *no* word appears in all 7 wordlists.  For example,
everyone must have at least one msg with a sentence starting with "the".

> ...
> First comparing personal corpuses that all claim to be english.

There you go:  MarkH's is Australian <wink>.

> ...
> 7          0 0.0%

Not a chance.

>     def load(self,globaldict,countdict):
>         f = file(self.path,'rb')
>         set = self.set
>         nextID = len(globaldict) + 1
>         while 1:
>             w = f.read(20)
>             if not w or len(w) != 20:

Should have
              assert len(w) in (0, 20)

here to guard against corrupt input files.

>                 break
>             idnumber = globaldict.get(w,None)
>             if not idnumber:
>                 globaldict[w] = idnumber = nextID
>                 nextID += 1
>             set.add(idnumber)
>             countdict[idnumber] = countdict.get(idnumber,0) + 1

It's unclear why you're mucking with globaldict.  That is, countdict could
be more easily indexed directly by SHA digest than by another layer of
artificial id associated with SHA digests.  I don't see anything obviously
wrong, but the idnumber indirection interferes with clarity.

>     >>> import anydbm
>     >>> import sha
>     >>> db = anydbm.open("hammie.db")
>     >>> f = open("key-hash", "w")

SHA digests are binary data, so it's necessary to open the output file in
"wb" mode (and "w" mode is silently deadly on Windows).


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon May 26 12:15:54 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun May 25 19:16:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Integration with Outlook Express - Tim's fix
	notappearing
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1F563@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[notate-to / notate-subject]
> However, when I open my newly downloaded pop3proxy.py 
> interface, I do not find this option on the main page nor the 
> linked Configurations page.  Was it dropped in the newest 
> version?  I would love to have a solution, as I spent my 
> entire day getting this up and going . . . to no avail.  
> Please help if you can; I'm desperate to stop the awful spam.

By "newest version", I presume you mean the alpha2 that you downloaded?
[1].

The problem is that this was added _after_ alpha2 was released (alpha2
really is getting long in the tooth).

(I didn't realise this!  We need to be careful about saying that OE will
work, and perhaps hurry even more with getting alpha3 out).

There isn't a solution at the moment, unfortunately.  However, alpha3 is
due out *really* soon (I hope the end of this week), and that will
include this feature.

=Tony Meyer

[1] AFAICT, neither notate-to or notate-subject have worked in CVS for
quite a while now (they were killed when the message.py module was
added).  No-one seems to have noticed, though ;)  They will be back
before alpha3.

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon May 26 12:28:08 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun May 25 19:29:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Collecting word lists.. - BUMMER
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1F56F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> And now, here's a collection of "test" data, which I assume 
> came from the same test 
> dataset, but seems strangely low common word count too.

They came from two datasets, although one was much bigger than the
other.  As I said indicated (in the offlist mail I sent), I realised
after I did this that I should have only chosen one from each dataset,
since there should be a pretty big overlap here.

> Loaded 10 wordlists with 232531 distinct words out of 235138 

Given that half of these were from the same dataset, there should be a
*lot* less distinct words than this.

I can't say what the problem is, but the result is definitely not
correct.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon May 26 12:35:03 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun May 25 19:35:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express (yikes!)
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1F57C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

I said this in a previous post, but it was kinda hidden, and this is
fairly important, so I'm going to say it again (apologies to those that
read the other one ;)

Alpha2 *does not* support Outlook Express.  OE can't filter on arbitrary
headers, so although the messages get classified, OE can't do anything
with them.

TimS created a fix for this way back in February (adding information to
the To: and/or Subject: headers), but this was *after* alpha2 was
released.  I didn't realise this (nor, does it seem, did anyone else),
and so assumed that alpha2 would be ok for OE.

Additionally, at the moment, the CVS code *does not* support OE.  I'll
try and find time today to put the notate-to and notate-subject code
back in, but it's been gone for a while.  So the only way to use
Spambayes with OE would be to grab a CVS snapshot from a month or so ago
(not exactly a process that's easy for OE users).

If Skip/Bill etc could perhaps update the docs that would be great.  For
the moment, probably a good idea to stop telling people that OE is ok :)
(Although OE with IMAP is ok with CVS...)

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon May 26 10:58:18 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun May 25 19:59:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] New mailing lists
Message-ID: <1a4f01c32319$841466f0$530f8490@eden>

There seemed to be consensus that new mailing lists would be a good idea,
specifically spambayes-users, spambayes-dev and spambayes-announce, with
"spambayes" being an alias to either users or dev.

I would love the see the "announce" one setup - simply so we can tell people
with problems to subscribe so they know when to try our next big mess
<wink>.

How about we "just do it".  I propose that -users, like -dev, be unmoderated
and not restricted to member posting, for the same reasons discussed re this
list.  -announce should be restricted and moderated, and I volunteer to be
it.

Any objections?  If not, then I suggest we just as Barry to wave his wand.

That-huge-wand-with-4-strings ly,

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon May 26 11:04:15 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Sun May 25 20:05:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000 on XP, installed Python and killed add-in
In-Reply-To: <21631E523BEBD41197FC0020AFCF88F613735D@dsl-mr-207-34-113-i59-cgy.nucleus.com>
Message-ID: <1a5201c3231a$591c3ad0$530f8490@eden>

> I am running WinXP with outlook 2000, Today in the course of
> setting up
> WINCVS I installed python. Subsequently my Spambayes add-in
> stopped working.
>
>
> I have corrected it by removing python and reinstalling the
> add-in but am
> curious why this should occur and how to remedy it so  I can
> install python
> on this machine in future.

I'm very surprised to hear that.  This *should* work fine, and indeed does
for me where I have many different versions of Python hanging around.
Skip's reply seems to indicate it works for him too.  So unfortunately we
will need more details.  Please feel free to open a bug at source-forge.

Mark.


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sun May 25 18:07:58 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sun May 25 20:08:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-743384 ] Show Spam Clues Marks Message
	as Read
Message-ID: <E19K5Ww-0007Zr-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #743384, was opened at 2003-05-26 12:07
Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Paul C Coyle (pccoyle)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Show Spam Clues Marks Message as Read

Initial Comment:
After using "Show Spam Clues" on an unread message 
in the Spam folder, the message status changed form 
Read to Unread.
My concern here is that an perhaps an acknowledge 
has been sent to the spammer showing the account as 
active?


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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sun May 25 18:13:31 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sun May 25 20:13:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-743387 ] Using Show Spam Clues Marks
	Message as Unread
Message-ID: <E19K5cJ-0007mZ-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #743387, was opened at 2003-05-26 12:13
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Paul C Coyle (pccoyle)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Using Show Spam Clues Marks Message as Unread

Initial Comment:
Using outlook 2000 and exchange 5.5.
When I used the "Show Spam Clues" feature on an 
unread message in the Spam folder, the message 
status changed from Unread to read.
My concern is that maybe and acknowledge was sent to 
the sender thereby showing my address as active? 

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sun May 25 18:13:30 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sun May 25 20:13:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-743384 ] Show Spam Clues Marks Message
	as Read
Message-ID: <E19K5cI-0004Ol-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #743384, was opened at 2003-05-26 10:07
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by mhammond
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Paul C Coyle (pccoyle)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Show Spam Clues Marks Message as Read

Initial Comment:
After using "Show Spam Clues" on an unread message 
in the Spam folder, the message status changed form 
Read to Unread.
My concern here is that an perhaps an acknowledge 
has been sent to the spammer showing the account as 
active?


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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-26 10:13

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

I can reproduce this, but I am not at all sure I will be
able to do anything about it.  If you are concerned about
auto-responses, then I suggest you customize outlook
accordingly.  Note however that spammers can check account
details in other ways - especially if the body of the HTML
message references anything that is downloaded from a server
(such as an image).

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon May 26 13:14:44 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Sun May 25 20:15:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows/Outlook compatibility matrix
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1F5D6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I haven't used the binary installer so I don't know what all 
> it does.  A definitive answer here will have to come from 
> Mark, or someone else Windows-savvy who has actually used it.

It doesn't really do all that much that's different from CVS, apart from
the registration of the plugin itself, and creating log files rather
than just throwing things into the trace.

> If you have a directory somewhere (assuming Win2K) like
> 
>     \Documents and Settings\
>         YOUR_LOGIN_NAME\
>             Application Data\
>                 SpamBayes\
> 
> then it's hiding config and database info in there, and you 
> should blow that away.

This will be where it is (whether binary or source).  You'll have a .ini
file, a config pickle and the message and word count databases.  It's
probably safest to get rid of all of them (apart from the ini) if you
really want to go from scratch.

IMO, it is correct behaviour to leave these there, although to be really
nice the (un)installer should *offer* to remove *all* created files.
Certainly shouldn't be the default, though, since the user might be
uninstalling in order to install a newer version, and would then want to
keep the config, and definitely the databases.  It's also useful if
switching between source and binary, since they can share these files.

=Tony Meyer

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sun May 25 19:13:43 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sun May 25 21:13:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-743387 ] Using Show Spam Clues Marks
	Message as Unread
Message-ID: <E19K6YZ-000535-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #743387, was opened at 2003-05-26 10:13
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Closed
>Resolution: Duplicate
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Paul C Coyle (pccoyle)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Using Show Spam Clues Marks Message as Unread

Initial Comment:
Using outlook 2000 and exchange 5.5.
When I used the "Show Spam Clues" feature on an 
unread message in the Spam folder, the message 
status changed from Unread to read.
My concern is that maybe and acknowledge was sent to 
the sender thereby showing my address as active? 

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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-26 11:13

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

Dupe of [ 743384 ] Show Spam Clues Marks Message as Read

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From w1az at arrl.net  Mon May 26 02:49:48 2003
From: w1az at arrl.net (Bernie Gardner)
Date: Sun May 25 21:49:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with pop3proxy
In-Reply-To: <16080.57484.886961.802578@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <1053803470.4315.9.camel@linux.local>
	<16079.54746.974946.960554@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<1053814925.4316.14.camel@linux.local>
	<16080.57484.886961.802578@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <1053913511.4322.18.camel@linux.local>

On Sun, 2003-05-25 at 11:26, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>     Bernie> I did start pop3proxy first, and in fact I can access the setup
>     Bernie> pages in my browser with no problem.  I think it is Evolution
>     Bernie> which is refused by my local computer, not pop3proxy by the isp.
>     Bernie> The error message definitely comes from Evolution and comes up
>     Bernie> immediately after I press send/recieve.
> 
> Can you tell that pop3proxy is listening to the port you think it should be
> listening to (localhost:110 for example)?  If you're not running as root,
> make sure you selected a port > 1024.  If you execute "netstat -an" you
> should see something like "127.0.0.1:NNN" in the Local Address column with
> "LISTEN" in the State column.  You should also be able to telnet to port NNN
> of your machine while pop3proxy is running.
> 
> Also try a "netstat -an" without running pop3proxy.  Perhaps your system
> already has something listening to port NNN and you'll have to pick another
> port.
> 
> Skip

Thanks for the hint.  I checked with netstat and it turned out it was
listening on 0.0.0.0:NNN instead of localhost.  It works if I set
Evolution to that address, but I'm trying to figure out why pop3proxy is
using the wrong address.

Bernie
-- 
Bernie Gardner <w1az@arrl.net>


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sun May 25 19:54:35 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Sun May 25 21:54:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-743408 ] Install fails Outlook 2000,
	WinXP
Message-ID: <E19K7C7-0006HC-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #743408, was opened at 2003-05-25 20:54
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tim Scott (kaleid)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Install fails Outlook 2000, WinXP

Initial Comment:
During install of version 002 for Outlook 2000 in Win Xp 
Pro, I get this error:

---------------------------
Error
---------------------------
C:\Program Files\Spambayes Outlook 
Addin\spambayes_addin.dll

Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; 
code 0x00000000.

Click Retry to try again, Ignore to proceed anyway (not 
recommended), or Abort to cancel installation.
---------------------------
Abort   Retry   Ignore   
---------------------------

There is a spambayes1.log file in my %TEMP%, but it 
is empty.

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From bkc at murkworks.com  Sun May 25 23:14:24 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Sun May 25 21:55:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Collecting word lists.. - BUMMER
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEAMELAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>
References: <3ED0EBA5.15635.1DF18942@localhost>
Message-ID: <3ED1403F.7393.1F3C035E@localhost>

On 25 May 2003 at 19:08, Tim Peters wrote:

> It's unclear why you're mucking with globaldict.  

This is only the first pass at 'analysis'. I had thought that I would be saving data and making 
multiple passes. So, to save on RAM I felt converting unique sha hashes to an int would, in 
later passes (loading sets from pickles, etc) would use less memory.

Anyway, I didn't get that far due to the lousy turnout. 

> >     >>> import anydbm
> >     >>> import sha
> >     >>> db = anydbm.open("hammie.db")
> >     >>> f = open("key-hash", "w")
> 
> SHA digests are binary data, so it's necessary to open the output file in
> "wb" mode (and "w" mode is silently deadly on Windows).
> 

Is the default 'b' on Linux?

Can we get new contributions using "wb"?

I've cleaned out the upload directory, you can use the same names.



-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From tim_one at email.msn.com  Sun May 25 23:33:36 2003
From: tim_one at email.msn.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun May 25 22:34:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Collecting word lists.. - BUMMER
In-Reply-To: <3ED1403F.7393.1F3C035E@localhost>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEBIELAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>

[Brad]
> This is only the first pass at 'analysis'. I had thought that I would
> be saving data and making multiple passes. So, to save on RAM I felt
> converting unique sha hashes to an int would, in later passes
> (loading sets from pickles, etc) would use less memory.

Ah, premature optimization <0.5 wink>.  Get it working correctly first.
I'll emphasize again that it's simply impossible for 7 databases not to have
any words in common.  For example, just from this sentence, the tokens
"for", "just", "from", "this", "the" and "should" should be in everyone's
database.  It's even more so for spambayes databases, due to what should be
universally present synthesized tokens like

    'url:www'
and
    'proto:http'

Those should be present in every database even if the source is entirely
non-English, and a lot of synthesized header-line tokens should be present
everywhere too.

When you get beyond this hurdle, Neil Schemenauer's msg will be important
too.

>>>     >>> f = open("key-hash", "w")

>> SHA digests are binary data, so it's necessary to open the output
>> file in "wb" mode (and "w" mode is silently deadly on Windows).

> Is the default 'b' on Linux?

No, but there's no difference between "w" and "wb" on Unix systems.  There
is on Windows and Macs, and more so on Windows.

> Can we get new contributions using "wb"?
>
> I've cleaned out the upload directory, you can use the same names.

Could you post the instructions again, please?  Uploaders should be careful
to ensure binary-mode transfers, too (ftp command "binary" before
uploading).


From tim_one at email.msn.com  Sun May 25 23:47:19 2003
From: tim_one at email.msn.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun May 25 22:48:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] New mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <1a4f01c32319$841466f0$530f8490@eden>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEBJELAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>

[Mark Hammond]
> There seemed to be consensus that new mailing lists would be a good
> idea, specifically spambayes-users, spambayes-dev and
> spambayes-announce, with "spambayes" being an alias to either users
> or dev.

Make spambayes an alias for spambayes-users; developers should be savvy
enough not to get confused by the hyphen <0.5 wink>.

> I would love the see the "announce" one setup - simply so we can tell
> people with problems to subscribe so they know when to try our next
> big mess <wink>.
>
> How about we "just do it".  I propose that -users, like -dev, be
> unmoderated and not restricted to member posting, for the same
> reasons discussed re this list.  -announce should be restricted and
> moderated, and I volunteer to be it.
>
> Any objections?  If not, then I suggest we just ask Barry to wave his
> wand.

It's a holiday weekend on this side of the pond, and I don't think Barry is
around.  I'm addressing this directly to him too in the hopes that it will
stick out more in the 10,000 pieces of email awaiting his return.

I'm +1 on all you said, but lack the magical powers to make it so.


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From: gyount490 at lycos.com (let's go)
Date: Sun May 25 23:43:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Start Making Money from Hom Now
Message-ID: <4194-22003512634341170@oemcomputer>

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sun May 25 22:47:00 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 26 00:47:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-742440 ] Outlook 2003(beta) install
	fails
Message-ID: <E19K9sy-0000sE-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #742440, was opened at 2003-05-23 10:21
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Kenneth Haynes (kh4yn3s)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook 2003(beta) install fails

Initial Comment:
I am running Windows XP, SP1. I have the Beta 2 
version of Office that includes Outlook 2003.  When I 
tried to install using the windows installer, I got no error 
messages, but neither did I get the configuration buttons 
on the menu.
spambayes1.log:
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\ken\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\ken\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\ken\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 0 spam and 0 good 
messages
Loaded databases in 4.68803ms
SpamAddin - Disconnecting from Outlook

spambayes2.log and spambayes3.log all look the same 
as spambayes1.log.

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Comment By: Cort Schaefer (corts)
Date: 2003-05-25 22:47

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=541173

This looks exactly like what I am getting running the same 
configuration.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sun May 25 22:51:38 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 26 00:51:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-743408 ] Install fails Outlook 2000,
	WinXP
Message-ID: <E19K9xS-0002Qd-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #743408, was opened at 2003-05-26 01:54
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tim Scott (kaleid)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Install fails Outlook 2000, WinXP

Initial Comment:
During install of version 002 for Outlook 2000 in Win Xp 
Pro, I get this error:

---------------------------
Error
---------------------------
C:\Program Files\Spambayes Outlook 
Addin\spambayes_addin.dll

Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; 
code 0x00000000.

Click Retry to try again, Ignore to proceed anyway (not 
recommended), or Abort to cancel installation.
---------------------------
Abort   Retry   Ignore   
---------------------------

There is a spambayes1.log file in my %TEMP%, but it 
is empty.

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Comment By: Mylene Reiners (mylene)
Date: 2003-05-26 04:51

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=20281

This problem seems to occur when not only Spambayes is
installed, but also Python (2.3b1 ?)

Mylene

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From tim_one at email.msn.com  Mon May 26 02:07:26 2003
From: tim_one at email.msn.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon May 26 01:10:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FW: [Spambayes-checkins] spambayes/spambayes
	classifier.py, 1.5, 1.6
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCKECDELAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>

I've been using my relatively feeble laptop most of the weekend, and was
curious about why my relatively small 1,000-msg dict database was consuming
so much memory while Outlook was running (I don't have RAM to spare on this
box).  That lead to the following checkin, restoring some original code.  I
*think* old pickles should continue to load without complaint, and know that
mine do.  But if this creates a problem for someone, let me know.

> Update of /cvsroot/spambayes/spambayes/spambayes
> In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv13387/spambayes
>
> Modified Files:
> 	classifier.py
> Log Message:
> Somewhere along the way, WordInfo lost its __slots__ decoration.
> Restoring it cuts the memory burden of my dict-based classifier by
> more than a factor of 2.  It should also speed it a bit.  Also
> added/restored comments about the purpose of this class, and removed
> extraneous punctuation from the method implementations.


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Sun May 25 23:22:18 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 26 01:22:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-743408 ] Install fails Outlook 2000,
	WinXP
Message-ID: <E19KAR8-0008IJ-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #743408, was opened at 2003-05-25 20:54
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tim Scott (kaleid)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Install fails Outlook 2000, WinXP

Initial Comment:
During install of version 002 for Outlook 2000 in Win Xp 
Pro, I get this error:

---------------------------
Error
---------------------------
C:\Program Files\Spambayes Outlook 
Addin\spambayes_addin.dll

Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; 
code 0x00000000.

Click Retry to try again, Ignore to proceed anyway (not 
recommended), or Abort to cancel installation.
---------------------------
Abort   Retry   Ignore   
---------------------------

There is a spambayes1.log file in my %TEMP%, but it 
is empty.

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>Comment By: Tim Scott (kaleid)
Date: 2003-05-26 00:22

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=20330

I tried re-installing (no other actions)....and it worked.  Weird.

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Comment By: Mylene Reiners (mylene)
Date: 2003-05-25 23:51

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=20281

This problem seems to occur when not only Spambayes is
installed, but also Python (2.3b1 ?)

Mylene

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon May 26 00:18:57 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 26 02:19:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-737986 ] Message.as_string() fails.
Message-ID: <E19KBJx-00040c-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #737986, was opened at 2003-05-15 13:09
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Category: None
Group: None
>Status: Closed
>Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Message.as_string() fails.

Initial Comment:
Reported on the list and discussed via email.  Sadly, 
this one has me beaten; I really can't figure out why it's 
going wrong.

---
I've attached two plain text files. One is from using 
evolution, the other 
mozilla. Mozilla tries to access two accounts. But it 
only accesses the 
second account after I've cancelled the session because 
it's hung from the 
first.

It looks to me ( great email expert that I am ) that it 
does all the 
negotiations, dl's the first mesage and then just freezes. 
Note that in the 
evolution file, I had it get mail from an empty server. All 
went fine.
---
When evol gets the mail, it says getting pop summary, 
then hangs waiting for 
  the first message.

at the terminal window where I ran pop3proxy I get:

error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel 
<__main__.ServerLineReader connected at 0x8353a4c> 
(exceptions.TypeError:len() of unsized object 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py|poll|99] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py|handle_read_event|396] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/asynchat.py|handle_read|130] 
[/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py|found_terminator|147] 
[/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py|onServerLine|215] 
[/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py|onResponse|289] 
[/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py|onTransaction|390] 
[/usr/bin/pop3proxy.py|onRetr|459]
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/spambayes/message.py|as_string|193] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Message.py|as_string|109] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Generator.py|flatten|102] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Generator.py|_write|137] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Generator.py|_write_headers|183] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Header.py|encode|412] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Header.py|_split|297] 
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-
packages/email/Charset.py|encoded_header_len|341])
---

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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-26 18:18

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

Ha!  Beaten no longer.  I should have checked that I was 
using the same option set as he was.  We were setting a 
header to a float, which caused the problem - but only if 
include_prob was True.

Fixed in message.py v1.28

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Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-15 13:10

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

This is the second file.

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From tim_one at email.msn.com  Mon May 26 03:29:55 2003
From: tim_one at email.msn.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon May 26 02:31:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Speeding DBDictClassifier
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEKOEKAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAECIELAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>

I haven't looked at this code before.  It appears that
DBDictClassifier.store() writes to the DB for every word in the wordinfo
dict, whether or not the info associated with the word has changed; and
doesn't clear the wordinfo dict at the end, so that the next time .store()
is called it will write every word all over again, and store() becomes more
expensive every time it's called.

Maybe that's essential <wink>.

Sketch of a different approach; the thrust is to change store() so that it
only touches the database records that actually changed since the last time
store() was called.

load():  set new instance vars
    self.changed_words = {}
    self.deleted_words = {}

store():
    don't mutate wordinfo at all; don't iterate over wordinfo at all
    delete from the DB:  only the words in self.deleted_words
    update in the DB: only the words in self.changed_words
    clear changed_words and deleted_words before returning

_wordinfoget():
    remove the comment about None (it's no longer special)
    after "ret = None", do

        if word in self.deleted_words:
            return ret

_wordinfoset():
    define this

    def _wordinfoset(self, word, record):
        self.wordinfo[word] = record
        if word in self.deleted_words:
            del self.deleted_words[word]
        self.changed_words[word] = 1


_wordinfodel():
    change to:

    def _wordinfodel(self, word):
        del wordinfo[word]
        if word in self.changed_words:
            del self.changed_words[word]
        self.deleted_words[word] = 1


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon May 26 19:49:20 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon May 26 02:49:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express (notate to and notate subject)
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1F7CE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

For those that don't read the check-ins list.

Further to my earlier email - I've restore the functionality of the
notate_to and notate_subject options, so Outlook Express'ers should once
again be ok with the latest CVS.  It may not work if a message has
multiple To or Subject headers (and I'm not 100% about if it has "to"
instead of "To"), but then neither the did old version, IIRC.  If
someone complains, we can fix it ;)

So, for those who want to use OE (with pop3), you can with the latest
CVS, but not with alpha2.

Along the way I finally found a bug I tried to fix a while back, and did
that, so if anyone found that the include_prob or include_score option
wasn't working, it should now.

=Tony Meyer

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon May 26 01:58:54 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 26 03:58:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-743515 ] Unable to expand folders in
	folder selection dialog.
Message-ID: <E19KCsg-0005zq-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #743515, was opened at 2003-05-26 00:58
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Paul Pedriana (ppedriana)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Unable to expand folders in folder selection dialog.

Initial Comment:
On my computer I do the following steps:
1 - Install the software with Outlook 2002. This succeeds
2 - Call forth the Anti-Spam manager dialog.
3 - Click the "Train Now..." button. This calls forth
the "Training" dialog.
4 - Click either of the two "Browse" buttons. This
calls forth the "Select Folders..." dialog, which has a
tree control with two top level nodes: "Public Folders"
and "Personal Folders."
5 - Clicking on the "Public Folders" node expands it,
as expected.
6 - Clicking on the "Personal Folders" node does
nothing; it does not expand as expected.

---------------------------------------

Looking at the log file, the following lines are present:

Traceback (most recent call last):
"E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py",
line 384, in OnTreeItemExpanding
"E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py",
line 74, in _BuildFoldersMAPI
pywintypes.com_error: (-2147221246, 'Invalid window
handle', None, None)
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler

The exception appears to happen in a call to
FolderSpec() from the _BuildFoldersMAPI function. Here
is a snippet of _BuildFoldersMAPI containing the call
to FolderSpec:

        try:
            child_folder =
manager.message_store.GetFolder(temp_id)
        except pythoncom.com_error:
            # Bad folder for some reason - ignore it.
            child_folder = None
        if child_folder is not None:
            spec = FolderSpec(child_folder.GetID(), name)
            # If we have no children at all, indicate
            # the item is not expandable.
            table =
child_folder.OpenEntry().GetHierarchyTable(0)





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From spambayes at rodland.no  Mon May 26 11:12:49 2003
From: spambayes at rodland.no (Fredrik Rodland)
Date: Mon May 26 04:13:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [Spambayes-checkins] spambayes CHANGELOG.txt, NONE,
	1.1 WHAT_IS_NEW.txt, NONE, 1.1
In-Reply-To: <E19KCyb-0002WR-00@sc8-pr-cvs1.sourceforge.net>
Message-ID: <OLEKJBLGLGDHBDLHGIINEEOHDOAA.spambayes@rodland.no>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-checkins-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-checkins-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Tony Meyer
> Sent: 26. mai 2003 10:05
> To: spambayes-checkins@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes-checkins] spambayes CHANGELOG.txt, NONE,1.1
> WHAT_IS_NEW.txt, NONE, 1.1
>
>
> Feel free to critique/change the style, and fix any mistakes.

ok:

> Mark Hammond	03/02/03	Fix SF#677804.
> Mark Hammond	04/02/03	Fix SF#642740.

isn't it better to add a descriptive line - rather than just the bug-#

i.e. - replace:
Fix SF#677804.
with:
Fix: Untouched fitler command error (SF#677804)



F


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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon May 26 22:14:13 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon May 26 05:14:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000 on XP, installed Python and killed add-in
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1F7D7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> The only thing I can think of is that perhaps the version of 
> Python installed with the plugin is different than the 
> version you installed.  The two Python versions might have a 
> difference in the byte code they generate and interpret.  
> After the installation, perhaps you got the new Python 
> interpreter trying to interpret old byte codes or vice versa. 
>  What version of Python did you install?

It was 2.3b1.  Oddly, though, I think Mark used 2.3 (not b1, obviously)
to build the plugin.  Going by this, anyway:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2003-February/003611.html

Sean did mention something about his group finding things better
building the plugin with 2.2, though.

It would interesting to see if this is easily duplicable (i.e. install
the plugin on a machine without Python, then install 2.3b1 and see if
all is still good).  I don't really want to uninstall Python here,
though, especially since I'd have to uninstall 2.3b1, CVS, 2.2.2, and
whatever version cygwin has, to be thorough.  Maybe someone that doesn't
do Python coding could give it a go?

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon May 26 22:16:48 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon May 26 05:17:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Quick Question
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1F7D8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Tony]
> If it is, then the answer is 'not yet'.  We would welcome 
> help in changing this, though.
[Ben]
> Yes, Outlook 11 is Outlook 2003.  How can I help?

Hmm.  I might have spoken too soon.  From what I've (since) read, the
plugin will install, but has trouble with the COM/event interface.  This
is very tricky stuff that should probably be left to Sean/Mark.

On the positive side, I think that Sean's group is actively working on
this, so a solution might be at hand sooner rather than later (maybe
even before Outlook 2003 is non-beta).

=Tony Meyer

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon May 26 03:23:16 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 26 05:23:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Support Requests-742258 ] Shutdown/restart
Message-ID: <E19KECK-0003Dx-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Support Requests item #742258, was opened at 2003-05-23 23:14
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by anadelonbrin
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Mike Ring (mikering)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Shutdown/restart

Initial Comment:
Whenever I logoff and restart Outlook, SpamBayes 
doesn't filter messages on startup. I have to retrain it 
and then filter the Inbox.

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>Comment By: Tony Meyer (anadelonbrin)
Date: 2003-05-26 21:23

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=552329

According to the log the databases are not being saved - in 
fact there isn't even the "exiting outlook" message.

Are you exiting Outlook normally?  (i.e. it's not being forced 
to quit or crashing?)  Are you exiting Outlook and then 
logging off, or getting Windows to exit Outlook after a log off 
command?

In any case, the next alpha release (later this week, 
hopefully) will fix this as training is saved after each operation.
(Alpha2 should still work, however).

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From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon May 26 22:30:23 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon May 26 05:31:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1F7D9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> To be honest, I don't understand the -d and -D switches to 
> the commandline. 
> I've never used them and maybe this is a reminder to the 
> Spambayes homepage webmasters to explain it a little bit for dummies.

Basically if you use "-d", then you want to use a pickle to save the
wordinfo database.  If you use "-D" then you want to use something else
(like bsddb or anydbm).  In even simpler terms, it allows you to specify
the way that the database is stored.  I believe that the idea is that
people don't have to use them - it defaults to "-D", and that should be
fine for most people.  (In fact, AFAIK, few people are still using a
pickle, although TimP is with the Outlook plugin).

> Spambayes seems to have a problem the second time you run it. 
[...]
> But then (and this happened last time too) when I the second 
> time run it I get these error messages:
[...]
> (exceptions.AssertionError: [C:\Python22\lib\asyncore.py|poll|99] 
[...]
> [spambayes\classifier.py|probability|301])

This is basically saying that the database is stuffed - there are words
that have appeared in more emails that you have trained, which is
impossible.  The only real solution is to do a full retrain, although
you can doctor the numbers by hand.

It seems that there is still a bug *somewhere* that causes the database
counts to die like this, but we haven't been able to track it down.  If
you can consistently reproduce this error, that would be a great help in
doing so.  If not, then at least things work for you ;)

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon May 26 22:31:27 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon May 26 05:32:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1F7DA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> When I press the Save & Shutdown I get this error message:
[...]
> AttributeError: 'WordInfo' object has no attribute 'spamcount'

Your next message seemed to indicate that you managed to fix this
problem.  Is that the case?  If so, could you let me/the list know what
it was, for future reference?

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Mon May 26 22:41:04 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon May 26 05:41:44 2003
Subject: Format of Spam Field in Plugin (was RE: [Spambayes] (no subject))
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1F7DB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> > Mark, did you change from number to percent since the binary
release? 
> > Maybe my old folders are numbers, and new ones percents?
> 
> I haven't touched that for ages, since, we thought, we got it 
> right (or more accurately, got it as close enough to how we 
> wanted that it actually seemed to work)

I just played around with it and it's very strange behaviour.  I'm
willing to blame all of that on Outlook, and none on the plugin, though
;)

(Using Outlook XP SP1)

If I create a new folder, it defaults to having the spam field, as a
number (one d.p.).  If I remove that column, add a message, and filter
the folder, I have a column with a (one d.p.) *percentage*.  If I then
go into the properties to try and change it to give more accuracy, it
says that it is a number (and if I change it to 2 d.p., for example, it
is then stuck as a number and I can't get it back to a percent).

Go figure.  If the hordes of Outlook users are reading these messages,
what do they think?  Is the current behaviour good enough?  (It is for
me).

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon May 26 22:09:01 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon May 26 07:09:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [Spambayes-checkins] spambayes CHANGELOG.txt, NONE,
	1.1 WHAT_IS_NEW.txt, NONE, 1.1
In-Reply-To: <OLEKJBLGLGDHBDLHGIINEEOHDOAA.spambayes@rodland.no>
Message-ID: <1b6c01c32377$38149820$530f8490@eden>

> > Feel free to critique/change the style, and fix any mistakes.
>
> ok:
>
> > Mark Hammond	03/02/03	Fix SF#677804.
> > Mark Hammond	04/02/03	Fix SF#642740.
>
> isn't it better to add a descriptive line - rather than just the bug-#
>
> i.e. - replace:
> Fix SF#677804.
> with:
> Fix: Untouched fitler command error (SF#677804)

Yes, I would have to agree!  In fact, I often (almost usually) do that now,
and will strive for always :)

Mark.


From tim_one at email.msn.com  Mon May 26 09:35:26 2003
From: tim_one at email.msn.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon May 26 08:36:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Speeding DBDictClassifier
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAECIELAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGEDHELAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>

[TimP]
> ...
> Sketch of a different approach; the thrust is to change store() so
> that it only touches the database records that actually changed since
> the last time store() was called.

If someone pursues this (afraid I can't), it occurs to me it would be better
to introduce only one new dict, say self.changed_word_kind, mapping changed
and deleted words to whether they were last changed or last deleted.  Like
mapping to 'C' for changed or 'D' for deleted.  It would simplify the code I
sketched; e.g., instead of

    def _wordinfodel(self, word):
        del self.wordinfo[word]
        if word in self.changed_words:
            del self.changed_words[word]
        self.deleted_words[word] = 1

it would be

    def _wordinfodel(self, word):
        del self.wordinfo[word]
        self.changed_word_klnd[word] = 'D'

store() could then march over self.changed_word_kind.iteritems(), and use
the 'C'/'D' values to update/delete_from the DB appropriately.


From bill at parducci.net  Mon May 26 09:37:10 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (Bill Parducci)
Date: Mon May 26 11:37:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FAQ
In-Reply-To: <3ED203BB.1030201@videotron.ca>
References: <3ECE9B33.3010808@parducci.net> <3ED203BB.1030201@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <1071.65.138.137.207.1053963430.squirrel@mail.parducci.net>

> I thinl it can be a good idea to put number In front of the text.

i am not sure that i understand your request. the current format is:
   1.  Overview
         a. So what is Spambayes?
         b. What do I need to install Spambayes?

are you suggesting:
   1.  Overview
         1a. So what is Spambayes?
         1b. What do I need to install Spambayes?

?

> P.S. The link to the name tag are not working

the links don't work on this page because my server doesn't handle .ht
files like html files. they will work once moved to the project server.

thanks for the feedback.

b



From mark at enynsp.org  Mon May 26 13:08:59 2003
From: mark at enynsp.org (Mark S. Bergman)
Date: Mon May 26 12:09:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Install error
Message-ID: <AEEFLGEJACDFFMDMPBFDKEILCDAA.mark@enynsp.org>

Uponinstallation of SpamBayes into outlook 2000 running on a fully updated
Win2K, I get the followin log error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 15, in DllRegisterServer
MemoryError

Help!


Mark S. Bergman
518.251.5930


From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Mon May 26 13:19:53 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Mon May 26 12:21:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FAQ
In-Reply-To: <1070.65.138.137.207.1053963406.squirrel@mail.parducci.net>
References: <3ECE9B33.3010808@parducci.net> <3ED203BB.1030201@videotron.ca>
	<1070.65.138.137.207.1053963406.squirrel@mail.parducci.net>
Message-ID: <3ED23EA9.60809@videotron.ca>

Hi Bill,

 

>I am not sure that i understand your request. the current format is:
>   1.  Overview
>         a. So what is Spambayes?
>         b. What do I need to install Spambayes?
>
>are you suggesting:
>   1.  Overview
>         1a. So what is Spambayes?
>         1b. What do I need to install Spambayes?
>
No, This is not what I tried to explain.....

In the text of the FAQ, You have in bold the "title of the item"
I suggest to add to this the number.

Ex

   1.  Overview
         a. So what is Spambayes?
         b. What do I need to install Spambayes?


      2.   Meat
            a. What is ham
             b. What is spam.

      3. etc


    1 Overview
         Some text here

     1.a- So what is Spambayes?
        Again some text here.
        .....
        .....
      1.b- What do I need to install Spambayes?
       ....
       .....

Usually when I look at a FAQ, I take note of the questions I want to 
look at (If there is many question)
So when I'm looking at an answer of the FAQ,  I know where to go for the 
next one if there is number in front.
For Example I'm at answer 23.c-  and the next I want to look is 107.d- I 
can scroll rapidly to 100
If I stop at the question 121 by mistake I know I have to scroll up 
since there is the number in front.

>the links don't work on this page because my server doesn't handle .ht
>files like html files. they will work once moved to the project server.
>
I think the problem what that you where including a # in front of the 
name tag  <a name="#whatisit">
instead of <a name="whatisit">. The <a href="#..."> needs the #


>thanks for the feedback.
>

No problem

Remi


From seandarcy at hotmail.com  Mon May 26 13:25:20 2003
From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy)
Date: Mon May 26 12:25:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] web interface: 500 Server error when training
Message-ID: <Law8-F75mMlrqLvw2FZ000349d5@hotmail.com>

Using the web interface for training sb. Choose ham and spam from the list, 
click Train. Get this error message:

Training... Trained on 84 messages. Saving... Done.

500 Server error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 398, in 
found_terminator
    getattr(plugin, name)(**params)

  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/ProxyUI.py", line 361, in 
onReview
    message = spambayes.mboxutils.get_message(cachedMessage.getSubstance())

  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/Corpus.py", line 349, in 
getSubstance
    return self.hdrtxt + self.payload

  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/Corpus.py", line 296, in 
__getattr__
    raise AttributeError, attributeName

AttributeError: hdrtxt

_________________________________________________________________
The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE*  
http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail


From rich at richlyon.net  Mon May 26 10:53:33 2003
From: rich at richlyon.net (Richard Lyon)
Date: Mon May 26 12:45:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] BUG: spambayes crashes when filtering moves mail
Message-ID: <22918219.1053968013938.JavaMail.www-data@four.oddpost.com>

Hi, 
I'm running the binary version of spambayes on Outlook 2000 SR-1/Win2000 Professional SP2 Build 2195. Outlook is configured in Exchange mode. My computer virus scanner is labelled "Vshield" - it is a corporate laptop and I can't disable it. 
  
Spambayes is installed and classifying OK. But if I configure the filterer to do anything other than leave files untouched, Outlook crashes on receipt of the first message after enabling the filter. I can't tell whether the messages that cause the crash are ham (and therefore spambayes is crashing on anything) or whether it is a spam and it is something to do with the transfer. 
  
There is nothing untoward in the log files. Last entry before the last crash is " 
Message 'Its here! The weight loss patch! vrhd' had a Spam classification of 'Yes'" but I don't know if that refers to the message that was arriving when it crashed or not. 
  
I've removed all of my inbox assistant rules. My security setting is "Medium-Low". Help would be appreciated as I'm drowning in spam and this looks great. 
  
Regards 
   
Richard Lyon 
_____________________ 
mail:rich@richlyon.net 
web:www.richlyon.net/ 
From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon May 26 11:16:24 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 26 13:19:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-743408 ] Install fails Outlook 2000,
	WinXP
Message-ID: <E19KLaC-0007Bt-00@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #743408, was opened at 2003-05-25 21:54
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by rdesantos
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=743408&group_id=61702

Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tim Scott (kaleid)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Install fails Outlook 2000, WinXP

Initial Comment:
During install of version 002 for Outlook 2000 in Win Xp 
Pro, I get this error:

---------------------------
Error
---------------------------
C:\Program Files\Spambayes Outlook 
Addin\spambayes_addin.dll

Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; 
code 0x00000000.

Click Retry to try again, Ignore to proceed anyway (not 
recommended), or Abort to cancel installation.
---------------------------
Abort   Retry   Ignore   
---------------------------

There is a spambayes1.log file in my %TEMP%, but it 
is empty.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Rob de Santos (rdesantos)
Date: 2003-05-26 13:16

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=782486

This is the same as my submitted item #740198. 
-Rob (rdesantos)

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Comment By: Tim Scott (kaleid)
Date: 2003-05-26 01:22

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=20330

I tried re-installing (no other actions)....and it worked.  Weird.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Mylene Reiners (mylene)
Date: 2003-05-26 00:51

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=20281

This problem seems to occur when not only Spambayes is
installed, but also Python (2.3b1 ?)

Mylene

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon May 26 11:27:56 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 26 13:28:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-743791 ] BUG: spambayes crashes when
	filtering moves mail
Message-ID: <E19KLlM-0005bb-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #743791, was opened at 2003-05-26 17:27
Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Richard Lyon (lyonrj)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: BUG: spambayes crashes when filtering moves mail

Initial Comment:
Hi,

I'm running the binary version of spambayes on Outlook 
2000 SR-1/Win2000 Professional SP2 Build 2195. 
Outlook is configured in Exchange mode. My computer 
virus scanner is labelled "Vshield" - it is a corporate 
laptop and I can't disable it.

Spambayes is installed and classifying OK. But if I 
configure the filterer to do anything other than leave files 
untouched, Outlook crashes on receipt of the first 
message after enabling the filter. I can't tell whether the 
messages that cause the crash are ham (and therefore 
spambayes is crashing on anything) or whether it is a 
spam and it is something to do with the transfer.

There is nothing untoward in the log files. Last entry 
before the last crash is "Message 'Its here! The weight 
loss patch! vrhd' had a Spam classification of 'Yes'" but I 
don't know if that refers to the message that was arriving 
when it crashed or not.

I've removed all of my inbox assistant rules. My security 
setting is "Medium-Low". Help would be appreciated as 
I'm drowning in spam and this looks great.

Regards, Richard Lyon



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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon May 26 11:30:11 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 26 13:30:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-743408 ] Install fails Outlook 2000,
	WinXP
Message-ID: <E19KLnX-00012f-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #743408, was opened at 2003-05-25 20:54
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by kaleid
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=743408&group_id=61702

Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tim Scott (kaleid)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Install fails Outlook 2000, WinXP

Initial Comment:
During install of version 002 for Outlook 2000 in Win Xp 
Pro, I get this error:

---------------------------
Error
---------------------------
C:\Program Files\Spambayes Outlook 
Addin\spambayes_addin.dll

Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; 
code 0x00000000.

Click Retry to try again, Ignore to proceed anyway (not 
recommended), or Abort to cancel installation.
---------------------------
Abort   Retry   Ignore   
---------------------------

There is a spambayes1.log file in my %TEMP%, but it 
is empty.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

>Comment By: Tim Scott (kaleid)
Date: 2003-05-26 12:30

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=20330

I saw item #740198, but the symptoms reported were different 
than this one, so I didn't consider this a dupe.  Causes may 
be the same, however.

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Comment By: Rob de Santos (rdesantos)
Date: 2003-05-26 12:16

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=782486

This is the same as my submitted item #740198. 
-Rob (rdesantos)

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Comment By: Tim Scott (kaleid)
Date: 2003-05-26 00:22

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=20330

I tried re-installing (no other actions)....and it worked.  Weird.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Mylene Reiners (mylene)
Date: 2003-05-25 23:51

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=20281

This problem seems to occur when not only Spambayes is
installed, but also Python (2.3b1 ?)

Mylene

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon May 26 11:37:33 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 26 13:37:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-743408 ] Install fails Outlook 2000,
	WinXP
Message-ID: <E19KLuf-0005y8-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #743408, was opened at 2003-05-25 21:54
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by rdesantos
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=743408&group_id=61702

Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Tim Scott (kaleid)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Install fails Outlook 2000, WinXP

Initial Comment:
During install of version 002 for Outlook 2000 in Win Xp 
Pro, I get this error:

---------------------------
Error
---------------------------
C:\Program Files\Spambayes Outlook 
Addin\spambayes_addin.dll

Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; 
code 0x00000000.

Click Retry to try again, Ignore to proceed anyway (not 
recommended), or Abort to cancel installation.
---------------------------
Abort   Retry   Ignore   
---------------------------

There is a spambayes1.log file in my %TEMP%, but it 
is empty.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Rob de Santos (rdesantos)
Date: 2003-05-26 13:37

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=782486

My fault I suppose for failing to detail it but I saw this 
same error message when my problem occurred.  Also 
see posting #741914.  I suspect all three bug reports 
are the same regsvr error.
-Rob

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Comment By: Tim Scott (kaleid)
Date: 2003-05-26 13:30

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=20330

I saw item #740198, but the symptoms reported were different 
than this one, so I didn't consider this a dupe.  Causes may 
be the same, however.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Rob de Santos (rdesantos)
Date: 2003-05-26 13:16

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=782486

This is the same as my submitted item #740198. 
-Rob (rdesantos)

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Tim Scott (kaleid)
Date: 2003-05-26 01:22

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=20330

I tried re-installing (no other actions)....and it worked.  Weird.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Mylene Reiners (mylene)
Date: 2003-05-26 00:51

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=20281

This problem seems to occur when not only Spambayes is
installed, but also Python (2.3b1 ?)

Mylene

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From skip at pobox.com  Mon May 26 14:50:22 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon May 26 14:50:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Collecting word lists.. - BUMMER
In-Reply-To: <3ED1403F.7393.1F3C035E@localhost>
References: <3ED0EBA5.15635.1DF18942@localhost>
	<3ED1403F.7393.1F3C035E@localhost>
Message-ID: <16082.25070.219095.680606@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Brad> I've cleaned out the upload directory, you can use the same names.

I see you anticipated that we would have bookmarked it.  For those of us who
didn't, can you repeat the ftp server info?

BTW, on my Mac (OS X), "w" and "wb" yield the same result.

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Mon May 26 14:54:19 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon May 26 14:54:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Collecting word lists.. - BUMMER
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEBIELAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>
References: <3ED1403F.7393.1F3C035E@localhost>
	<LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEBIELAB.tim_one@email.msn.com>
Message-ID: <16082.25307.692172.854125@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> Is the default 'b' on Linux?

    Tim> No, but there's no difference between "w" and "wb" on Unix systems.
    Tim> There is on Windows and Macs, and more so on Windows.

I tried both "w" and "wb" on my Mac OS X system and got precisely the same
output.  Perhaps the "and Macs" part only refers to versions < OS X.

Skip

From dadro at clickcapecod.com  Mon May 26 16:13:38 2003
From: dadro at clickcapecod.com (Nick Maloney)
Date: Mon May 26 15:05:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Love your product!
Message-ID: <DFEDIBPJKGCBOODJHOHKGEECCAAA.dadro@clickcapecod.com>

Hello,

I just wanted to express my appreciation for SpamBayes. I just configured it
and trained it and cannot believe how well it works even based on the few
spam I had left in my deleted items box.

Great Job!

Nick Maloney


From bkc at murkworks.com  Mon May 26 16:25:22 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Mon May 26 15:06:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Collecting word lists.. - BUMMER
In-Reply-To: <16082.25070.219095.680606@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <3ED1403F.7393.1F3C035E@localhost>
Message-ID: <3ED231E1.14460.22EBDE72@localhost>

On 26 May 2003 at 13:50, Skip Montanaro wrote:

>     Brad> I've cleaned out the upload directory, you can use the same
>     names.
> 
> I see you anticipated that we would have bookmarked it.  For those of us
> who didn't, can you repeat the ftp server info?
> 
> BTW, on my Mac (OS X), "w" and "wb" yield the same result.
> 
> Skip

The path is

ftp://ftp.murkworks.com/uploads/spambayes

Reminder, this is a drop only box. After upload you won't see your file there, and you 
cannot overwrite files. If you get a conflict, try a different name.




-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From skip at pobox.com  Mon May 26 15:13:42 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon May 26 15:21:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FAQ
In-Reply-To: <1071.65.138.137.207.1053963430.squirrel@mail.parducci.net>
References: <3ECE9B33.3010808@parducci.net> <3ED203BB.1030201@videotron.ca>
	<1071.65.138.137.207.1053963430.squirrel@mail.parducci.net>
Message-ID: <16082.26470.784633.295713@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> I thinl it can be a good idea to put number In front of the text.

    Bill> are you suggesting:
    Bill>    1.  Overview
    Bill>          1a. So what is Spambayes?
    Bill>          1b. What do I need to install Spambayes?

I don't know if the <ol> tag can do that.

    >> P.S. The link to the name tag are not working

I fixed this at one point, but it looks like a recent update I made to the
faq undid a lot of stuff (like wrapping to 80 columns using tidy and fixing
the name attributes).  I'll do another checkin a bit later today.

Folks, before you check in a file, make sure you've done a "cvs up" very
recently, otherwise you may unwittingly obliterated recent updates.

Skip

From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Mon May 26 13:29:27 2003
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Mon May 26 15:29:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Compatibility matrix
References: <119301c320ba$ae52e560$530f8490@eden>
Message-ID: <3ED26B17.61C4BE82@whidbey.com>

Mark Hammond wrote:

> I would drop the "XP Home" and "XP Professional" distinction - I seriously
> doubt that would have any impact, and we should have "2000 Pro/Server"
> distinctions if we make that one.

There are specific network distinctions between XP Home and XP Pro, while there
are no such differences between XP Pro and XP Server, as there were none between
Win2K Pro and Win2K Server. I have seen, but cannot now find, a Microsoft page
that delineated the differences between Home and the rest of the line. I don't
remember details, I do remember it led me to avoid any use of XP Home.

In keeping with SpamBayes tradition, it should be testing that tells us there is
no distinction of value. I suggest leaving it in there until collected data tell
us we don't need two columns. Obviously, if the columns are collapsed into one
we can't readily split it back out later.

Van

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From skip at pobox.com  Mon May 26 15:29:07 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon May 26 15:30:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FAQ
In-Reply-To: <3ED23EA9.60809@videotron.ca>
References: <3ECE9B33.3010808@parducci.net> <3ED203BB.1030201@videotron.ca>
	<1070.65.138.137.207.1053963406.squirrel@mail.parducci.net>
	<3ED23EA9.60809@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <16082.27395.738037.189951@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> are you suggesting:
    >> 1.  Overview
    >> 1a. So what is Spambayes?
    >> 1b. What do I need to install Spambayes?
    >> 
    papaDoc> No, This is not what I tried to explain.....

    papaDoc> In the text of the FAQ, You have in bold the "title of the
    papaDoc> item" I suggest to add to this the number.

I will give it a try, however, what we will wind up with is a table of
contents which is automatically numbered and a body which is manually
numbered.  If people start reordering things or adding new questions without
adding numbers it may be better to simply return to the current situation.

    >> the links don't work on this page because my server doesn't handle
    >> .ht files like html files. they will work once moved to the project
    >> server.

    papaDoc> I think the problem what that you where including a # in front
    papaDoc> of the name tag <a name="#whatisit"> instead of <a
    papaDoc> name="whatisit">. The <a href="#..."> needs the #

Yes, I corrected these a few days ago, but they got wiped out by a more
recent "cvs commit".  I just corrected them again.

Skip

From tim.one at comcast.net  Mon May 26 17:24:57 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon May 26 16:25:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Collecting word lists.. - BUMMER
In-Reply-To: <16082.25307.692172.854125@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEFGEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Skip Montanaro]
> I tried both "w" and "wb" on my Mac OS X system and got precisely the
> same output.  Perhaps the "and Macs" part only refers to versions <
> OS X.

To those versions of Mac OS that use \r as the native line end.  Part of
text-mode writing is converting \n to \r then (and part of text-mode reading
is converting \r to \n; if you don't have any ord('\n') bytes in your binary
data when writing in text mode on such a Mac, then it won't make any
difference; if you do have any ord('\n') bytes in your binary data when
writing in text mode on such a Mac, then all such bytes will be corrupted in
the output).


From mail at peterbe.com  Tue May 27 00:23:38 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Mon May 26 18:24:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1F7DA@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030526231807.0221f1f0@localhost>

At 21:31 2003-05-26 +1200, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> > When I press the Save & Shutdown I get this error message:
>[...]
> > AttributeError: 'WordInfo' object has no attribute 'spamcount'
>
>Your next message seemed to indicate that you managed to fix this
>problem.  Is that the case?  If so, could you let me/the list know what
>it was, for future reference?

Well, the problem is that even though I've trained thousands of messages it 
says that I have trained 0/0 spam/ham.
My guess is that the training works, but when it after tries to count em 
something goes wrong.
Is there a way to force a recount? Or some other equivalent cleanup function?



>=Tony Meyer


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon May 26 16:48:34 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 26 18:49:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-743791 ] BUG: spambayes crashes when
	filtering moves mail
Message-ID: <E19KQle-0005Nr-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #743791, was opened at 2003-05-27 03:27
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by mhammond
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
>Status: Pending
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Richard Lyon (lyonrj)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: BUG: spambayes crashes when filtering moves mail

Initial Comment:
Hi,

I'm running the binary version of spambayes on Outlook 
2000 SR-1/Win2000 Professional SP2 Build 2195. 
Outlook is configured in Exchange mode. My computer 
virus scanner is labelled "Vshield" - it is a corporate 
laptop and I can't disable it.

Spambayes is installed and classifying OK. But if I 
configure the filterer to do anything other than leave files 
untouched, Outlook crashes on receipt of the first 
message after enabling the filter. I can't tell whether the 
messages that cause the crash are ham (and therefore 
spambayes is crashing on anything) or whether it is a 
spam and it is something to do with the transfer.

There is nothing untoward in the log files. Last entry 
before the last crash is "Message 'Its here! The weight 
loss patch! vrhd' had a Spam classification of 'Yes'" but I 
don't know if that refers to the message that was arriving 
when it crashed or not.

I've removed all of my inbox assistant rules. My security 
setting is "Medium-Low". Help would be appreciated as 
I'm drowning in spam and this looks great.

Regards, Richard Lyon



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>Comment By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Date: 2003-05-27 08:48

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=14198

I'm afraid I am going to have to blame vshield.  Is there
any way you can get your IT department to disable it just
long enough for you to verify that it is or isn't the
problem?  Certainly this kind of report is not common.

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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue May 27 09:54:10 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon May 26 18:55:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Version information
Message-ID: <1cf401c323d9$b963d9b0$530f8490@eden>

I'm wondering how we can store version information that applications can
read to give some idea of what is running.

I propose a single file, spambayes\Version.py.  This would be a file in the
spirit of Options.py - ie, an "ini" file embedded in a Python script.  The
embedded section would look like:

"""
# Version information for spambayes
[Default]
# Non app specific - changed when "spambayes\*" changes significantly
Version=0.2 # Simple major.minor
Description=SpamBayes Beta1
Date=May 2003
Full Description=%(Description)s, version %(Version)s (%(Date)s)

# Apps can define their own sections
[Outlook]
Binary=003
Description=SpamBayes Outlook Plugin

[pop3proxy]
# Whatever makes sense, etc
"""

And there would be one or two function to extract a useful version string.

Other options include a file per directory, or a simple file with a single
line, or no centralised verison information at all.  I'm not bothered, but
this seems the best compromise to me.  Binaries etc that are clever can use
this info at build time, while CVS versions of the apps could do whatever
they like.

Thoughts?

Mark.


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Mon May 26 16:56:06 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Mon May 26 18:56:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-743515 ] Unable to expand folders in
	folder selection dialog.
Message-ID: <E19KQsw-0007Mt-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #743515, was opened at 2003-05-26 17:58
Message generated for change (Settings changed) made by mhammond
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>Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Paul Pedriana (ppedriana)
>Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Unable to expand folders in folder selection dialog.

Initial Comment:
On my computer I do the following steps:
1 - Install the software with Outlook 2002. This succeeds
2 - Call forth the Anti-Spam manager dialog.
3 - Click the "Train Now..." button. This calls forth
the "Training" dialog.
4 - Click either of the two "Browse" buttons. This
calls forth the "Select Folders..." dialog, which has a
tree control with two top level nodes: "Public Folders"
and "Personal Folders."
5 - Clicking on the "Public Folders" node expands it,
as expected.
6 - Clicking on the "Personal Folders" node does
nothing; it does not expand as expected.

---------------------------------------

Looking at the log file, the following lines are present:

Traceback (most recent call last):
"E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py",
line 384, in OnTreeItemExpanding
"E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py",
line 74, in _BuildFoldersMAPI
pywintypes.com_error: (-2147221246, 'Invalid window
handle', None, None)
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler

The exception appears to happen in a call to
FolderSpec() from the _BuildFoldersMAPI function. Here
is a snippet of _BuildFoldersMAPI containing the call
to FolderSpec:

        try:
            child_folder =
manager.message_store.GetFolder(temp_id)
        except pythoncom.com_error:
            # Bad folder for some reason - ignore it.
            child_folder = None
        if child_folder is not None:
            spec = FolderSpec(child_folder.GetID(), name)
            # If we have no children at all, indicate
            # the item is not expandable.
            table =
child_folder.OpenEntry().GetHierarchyTable(0)





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From mail at peterbe.com  Tue May 27 00:28:07 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Mon May 26 19:14:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suddenly a lot of errors
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1F7D9@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030526232341.02219178@localhost>

At 21:30 2003-05-26 +1200, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> > To be honest, I don't understand the -d and -D switches to
> > the commandline.
> > I've never used them and maybe this is a reminder to the
> > Spambayes homepage webmasters to explain it a little bit for dummies.
>
>Basically if you use "-d", then you want to use a pickle to save the
>wordinfo database.  If you use "-D" then you want to use something else
>(like bsddb or anydbm).  In even simpler terms, it allows you to specify
>the way that the database is stored.  I believe that the idea is that
>people don't have to use them - it defaults to "-D", and that should be
>fine for most people.  (In fact, AFAIK, few people are still using a
>pickle, although TimP is with the Outlook plugin).

That's good that those two options exist. But which one should I use 
(assuming I'm not a senior unix server admin)?


> > Spambayes seems to have a problem the second time you run it.
>[...]
> > But then (and this happened last time too) when I the second
> > time run it I get these error messages:
>[...]
> > (exceptions.AssertionError: [C:\Python22\lib\asyncore.py|poll|99]
>[...]
> > [spambayes\classifier.py|probability|301])
>
>This is basically saying that the database is stuffed - there are words
>that have appeared in more emails that you have trained, which is
>impossible.  The only real solution is to do a full retrain, although
>you can doctor the numbers by hand.

I sent a separate email about this. Basically, can I just retrain the 
_pop3proxyham.mbox and _pop3proxyspam.mbox files?
Is the count that important? My guess would be that the count is more for 
the [statistical] interface.

>It seems that there is still a bug *somewhere* that causes the database
>counts to die like this, but we haven't been able to track it down.  If
>you can consistently reproduce this error, that would be a great help in
>doing so.  If not, then at least things work for you ;)

If it happens again (it works now) I'll "send" you my whole spambayes 
folder minus the big mbox and db files. Or do you need them too?
What other info do you need?


Peter 


From mail at peterbe.com  Tue May 27 00:42:39 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Mon May 26 19:14:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Impressed by SAProxy
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030526233614.0221f330@localhost>

Installed SAproxy (http://saproxy.bloomba.com/) today and was quite 
impressed by their little windows gui.
You download, doubleclick and all of a sudden you have a little icon in the 
taskbar which starts when windows starts.
You can right-click it and select "Configure", "View manual" or "Exit".

It didn't work very well (often timeouts) but I thought it could be a nice 
completement to spambayes since SAproxy uses SpamAssassin which is more 
concrete and different from Spambayes. That's not my point. My point is 
that the gui was very usable and simple.

I would love to contribute with some code but my wxPython (or Tkinter) 
skills are very poor.




From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue May 27 12:38:18 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon May 26 19:39:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Impressed by SAProxy
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1F931@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Installed SAproxy (http://saproxy.bloomba.com/) today and was quite 
> impressed by their little windows gui.
> You download, doubleclick and all of a sudden you have a 
> little icon in the taskbar which starts when windows starts.
> You can right-click it and select "Configure", "View manual" 
> or "Exit".

I think a little applet like this would be especially good if it could
do a little more than this.  For example, if the mail app was in the
foreground, it would offer "train as spam" and "train as ham" options,
and be able to take the appropriate action.  Rather a difficult thing to
program, though :)

For the moment, (to me) it doesn't seem worth creating an applet like
this.  Clicking "configure" is no different than launching a shortcut to
http://localhost:8880/config.  We're a bit lacking on the manual side,
but at some point the web interface (for pop3proxy, imapfilter et al)
will have a link to documentation.  When that happens clicking "View
manual" will be the same as launching a shortcut to
http://localhost:8880/help (or whatever the link will be).  On Windows
it's simple enough to add those to the Quick Launch bar, for example.

Would you agree with this?  Or am I missing something that makes the
applet better?  (I don't have SpamAssassin, so I presume SAProxy
wouldn't work for me).

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue May 27 12:43:56 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon May 26 19:44:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Version information
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1F93B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I propose a single file, spambayes\Version.py. 

+1

> This would be 
> a file in the spirit of Options.py - ie, an "ini" file embedded
> in a Python script.  The embedded section would look like:

Well, the old Options.py :)

> Other options include a file per directory,
+0

> or a simple file with a single line,
-1

> or no centralised version information at all.
-1

> Thoughts?

If this gets general approval, I'm happy to throw together a first
version :) of this if you'd rather spend time on the plugin/binary
issues.  It shouldn't take much time anyway since ConfigParser can do
all the real work.

=Tony Meyer

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue May 27 10:45:00 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon May 26 19:45:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Impressed by SAProxy
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030526233614.0221f330@localhost>
Message-ID: <1d0a01c323e0$d3313610$530f8490@eden>

> I would love to contribute with some code but my wxPython (or
> Tkinter)
> skills are very poor.

Grab win32all, and check out win32/Demos/win32gui_taskbar.py - this has a
fairly simple skeleton for such an app.

Mark.


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue May 27 12:49:42 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon May 26 19:50:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FAQ
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1F941@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I fixed this at one point, but it looks like a recent update 
> I made to the faq undid a lot of stuff (like wrapping to 80 
> columns using tidy and fixing the name attributes).  I'll do 
> another checkin a bit later today.
> 
> Folks, before you check in a file, make sure you've done a 
> "cvs up" very recently, otherwise you may unwittingly 
> obliterate recent updates.

My apologies; this was me.  I did try and cvs up, but the faq that I
grabbed from bill's post was so different to the one that was there it
just ended up full of conflicts.  I looked at it by hand and it didn't
seem to be missing anything except for the messiness (I missed the name
attributes).  I should have done this more carefully, sorry.

(I tried to use tidy to made it, um, tidy, but I couldn't get it to
work.)

=Tony Meyer

From mail at peterbe.com  Tue May 27 02:32:05 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Mon May 26 20:54:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Impressed by SAProxy
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1F931@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030527013031.021ebe20@localhost>

At 11:38 2003-05-27 +1200, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> > Installed SAproxy (http://saproxy.bloomba.com/) today and was quite
> > impressed by their little windows gui.
> > You download, doubleclick and all of a sudden you have a
> > little icon in the taskbar which starts when windows starts.
> > You can right-click it and select "Configure", "View manual"
> > or "Exit".
>
>I think a little applet like this would be especially good if it could
>do a little more than this.  For example, if the mail app was in the
>foreground, it would offer "train as spam" and "train as ham" options,
>and be able to take the appropriate action.  Rather a difficult thing to
>program, though :)
>
>For the moment, (to me) it doesn't seem worth creating an applet like
>this.  Clicking "configure" is no different than launching a shortcut to
>http://localhost:8880/config.  We're a bit lacking on the manual side,
>but at some point the web interface (for pop3proxy, imapfilter et al)
>will have a link to documentation.  When that happens clicking "View
>manual" will be the same as launching a shortcut to
>http://localhost:8880/help (or whatever the link will be).  On Windows
>it's simple enough to add those to the Quick Launch bar, for example.

I basically like the double-clickability. As opposed to running the console 
and typing commands (hate win services).

I will personally have a look at maybe writing an app that does this.



>Would you agree with this?  Or am I missing something that makes the
>applet better?  (I don't have SpamAssassin, so I presume SAProxy
>wouldn't work for me).
>
>=Tony Meyer


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue May 27 13:58:53 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Mon May 26 20:59:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Impressed by SAProxy
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1F9A9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I basically like the double-clickability. As opposed to 
> running the console and typing commands (hate win services).

But you don't have to type any commands.  Just launch a browser and go
to a bookmark, or (to cut out a step), open a shortcut to a URL.  This
is double-clicking (possibly only one click).

> I will personally have a look at maybe writing an app that does this.

If you use Mark's toolbar demo as a starter, then all you have to do is
set one menu item ("Configure") to open the web browser at the
appropriate page (pop3proxy.py has code that does this that you can
steal), and one to launch whatever documentation you're going to refer
to.  (And keep the example exit).  And that's it.

I still don't see the utility of this application, but if you do make
it, please submit it as a patch so that others can use it also.

=Tony Meyer

From bill at parducci.net  Mon May 26 20:14:42 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Mon May 26 22:14:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FAQ
References: <3ECE9B33.3010808@parducci.net> <3ED203BB.1030201@videotron.ca>
	<1071.65.138.137.207.1053963430.squirrel@mail.parducci.net>
	<16082.26470.784633.295713@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <3ED2CA12.3020800@parducci.net>

Skip Montanaro wrote:
> Folks, before you check in a file, make sure you've done a "cvs up" very
> recently, otherwise you may unwittingly obliterated recent updates.

mea culpa, i was working from my original copy so i didn't get your 
changes into the update. i will operate from the cvs version in the future.

 > I will give it a try, however, what we will wind up with is a table of
 > contents which is automatically numbered and a body which is manually
 > numbered.  If people start reordering things or adding new questions 
without
 > adding numbers it may be better to simply return to the current 
situation.

there may be a way to get this to work automagically, although it may 
violate some wc3 guidelines. i'll doink around with it to see if the 
body can't have autonumbered text as well (using the latest cvs version, 
of course  ;-)

b


From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue May 27 18:15:28 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 27 01:16:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Classifying on headers only
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1FB27@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

A little while back (before the plethora of Outlook problems ;) there
was discussion about a "leave spam on server temporarily" flag for
pop3proxy.  The idea is that when travelling and using an expensive/slow
connection (a mobile phone is one example) you don't want to download
any mail classified as spam; you'll do that at a later point.

This is relatively simple to do, and I'm going to play about with it.
It might end up being a patch that people can apply rather than an
addition to the main code; I'm not sure.

Anyway, the most obvious problem is that this won't work unless the
proxy is on the server, otherwise the whole message must be downloaded
to classify anyway.  The other option, of course, is to download *part*
of the message and classify with that.  The easiest part to get is the
headers.

There was a little bit of discussion about header-only classification
here:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2002-October/001215.html

I can't find anything else, though.

I tried it out (disabling the tokenise_body call) and got the following
results.  This uses the SpamAssassin corpus, except for the my* ones,
which uses my own corpus.

These are pretty terrible results for general use (6% unsure!), but
strike me as not too bad for this purpose.  Using the last column, I
would download .49% fn and 5.72% unsures, but I still win out, because
I've blocked most of the spam.  I even win with fp's (presumably they
move out into the unsures), so I can be *less* concerned about leaving
fp's on the server.

Thoughts?

=Tony Meyer

filename:    bodys nobodys mybodys mynobodys       balancednobodys
                                           balancedbodys
ham:spam:  4140:7580       4700:1980       7580:7580
                   4140:7580       4700:1980       7580:7580
fp total:       80      15       0      20      44      19
fp %:         1.93    0.36    0.00    0.43    0.58    0.25
fn total:       11      27      75      12      16      37
fn %:         0.15    0.36    3.79    0.61    0.21    0.49
unsure t:      286     728     190     418     357     867
unsure %:     2.44    6.21    2.84    6.26    2.35    5.72
real cost: $868.20 $322.60 $113.00 $295.60 $527.40 $400.40
best cost:$1020.60 $821.00 $197.00 $312.60 $592.60 $875.80
h mean:       8.72    6.39    0.64    7.25    3.40    4.50
h sdev:      22.63   16.67    4.50   18.06   14.19   14.12
s mean:      98.99   92.75   83.83   89.67   97.94   91.61
s sdev:       6.58   14.36   29.98   17.54    9.43   15.76
mean diff:   90.27   86.36   83.19   82.42   94.54   87.11
k:            3.09    2.78    2.41    2.32    4.00    2.92

From gpip at seeprescott.com  Mon May 26 23:20:42 2003
From: gpip at seeprescott.com (Ron Campbell)
Date: Tue May 27 01:20:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Kill The Spam!
Message-ID: <NFBBLDPLMLKNDPJKCFOGMEDBCCAA.gpip@seeprescott.com>

Sir;
Please keep us on the list for your next release!
 
Thanks
Ron
From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue May 27 18:28:24 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 27 01:29:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Kill The Spam!
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1FB30@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Sir;
> Please keep us on the list for your next release!
>  
> Thanks
> Ron

What's the current story with the announce/users/dev lists?  Was there
enough agreement to convince the powers that be (Tim? Barry?) that they
would be a good thing?

The announce list, certainly, seems to be called for.

=Tony Meyer

From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz  Tue May 27 18:32:49 2003
From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony)
Date: Tue May 27 01:33:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Kill The Spam!
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1FB31@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> What's the current story with the announce/users/dev lists?  
> Was there enough agreement to convince the powers that be 
> (Tim? Barry?) that they would be a good thing?
                     ^^^^

Poor wording :)  By they, I mean the new lists, not the powers
themselves.  Of course they're a good thing <wink>.

=Tony Meyer

From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue May 27 03:03:42 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue May 27 02:04:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Classifying on headers only
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1FB27@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGEGMEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Meyer, Tony]
> ...
> There was a little bit of discussion about header-only classification
> here:
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2002-October/001215.html
>
> I can't find anything else, though.

There's a bit more here:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2002-November/001525.html



From lists at olivermaunder.co.uk  Tue May 27 10:59:31 2003
From: lists at olivermaunder.co.uk (Oliver Maunder)
Date: Tue May 27 05:00:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Not a header, not a continuation
Message-ID: <3ED328F3.8080201@olivermaunder.co.uk>

Hi all

I've got a malformed spam in my inbox that causes the email package to 
choke with the error:

    email.Errors.HeaderParseError: Not a header, not a continuation:
    ``PCEtLTI5NDU5L
    S0+PGJvZHk+CjxkaXYgYWxpZ249ImNlbnRlciI+PGZvbnQgZmFjZT0iQXJp''

I remember seeing some mention of this on the list before, but a quick 
google of the archives hasn't thrown up any obvious solutions. I'm using 
version 2.5 of the email package, fresh from Sourceforge, along with 
Python 2.2 on Windows XP.

We could always amend the tokenizer to produce a token for "crappy 
malformed base64 encoded MIME message that breaks the email lib". I'm 
sure that would turn out to be a strong spam clue ;-)

The full stack trace and offending email are included below.

Olly

C:\Development\SpamBayes\spambayes>imapfilter.py -c -v
Loading database hammie.db... Loading state from hammie.db database
hammie.db is an existing database, with 285 spam and 172 ham
Done.
Classifying
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Development\SpamBayes\spambayes\imapfilter.py", line 739, in ?
    run()
  File "C:\Development\SpamBayes\spambayes\imapfilter.py", line 729, in run
    imap_filter.Filter()
  File "C:\Development\SpamBayes\spambayes\imapfilter.py", line 604, in 
Filter
    self.unsure_folder)
  File "C:\Development\SpamBayes\spambayes\imapfilter.py", line 525, in 
Filter
    for msg in self:
  File "C:\Development\SpamBayes\spambayes\imapfilter.py", line 434, in 
__iter__

    yield self[key]
  File "C:\Development\SpamBayes\spambayes\imapfilter.py", line 481, in 
__getite
m__
    msg.get_substance()
  File "C:\Development\SpamBayes\spambayes\imapfilter.py", line 331, in 
get_subs
tance
    new_msg = email.Parser.Parser().parsestr(data["RFC822"])
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python\lib\email\Parser.py", line 75, in parsestr
    return self.parse(StringIO(text), headersonly=headersonly)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python\lib\email\Parser.py", line 64, in parse
    self._parsebody(root, fp)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python\lib\email\Parser.py", line 228, in _parsebody
    msgobj = self.parsestr(part)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python\lib\email\Parser.py", line 75, in parsestr
    return self.parse(StringIO(text), headersonly=headersonly)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python\lib\email\Parser.py", line 62, in parse
    self._parseheaders(root, fp)
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python\lib\email\Parser.py", line 128, in _parseheaders
    raise Errors.HeaderParseError(
email.Errors.HeaderParseError: Not a header, not a continuation: 
``PCEtLTI5NDU5L
S0+PGJvZHk+CjxkaXYgYWxpZ249ImNlbnRlciI+PGZvbnQgZmFjZT0iQXJp''


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From yaki at ParadigmGeo.com  Tue May 27 15:31:55 2003
From: yaki at ParadigmGeo.com (Yaki Rubin)
Date: Tue May 27 07:30:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Errors in LOG file
Message-ID: <EE83E551E08D1D43AD52D50B9F51109201AAEA06@ntserver2>


Hi,

I just installed your software and I checked the log file.

Drive "E:" is my CDROM

I don't know anything about folder named: 
####
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\dialogs\FolderSelector.py", line 355,
in _UpdateStatus
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 296, in importHook
ImportError: No module named timer
win32ui: Exception in OnNotify() handler
####

Please advise...

Thanks,

Yaki Rubin

I'm running outlook xp sp2 on winxp pro working with exchange 5.5

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Tue May 27 06:42:34 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Tue May 27 08:42:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-738501 ] AttributeError second time
	around with pop3proxy
Message-ID: <E19Kdmk-0005Ae-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #738501, was opened at 2003-05-15 21:27
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by papadoc
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=738501&group_id=61702

Category: pop3proxy
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Peter Bengtsson (peterbe)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: AttributeError second time around with pop3proxy

Initial Comment:
Yesterday (14/05) I downloaded the latest CVS version
and starting it; worked fine. Then I turned that off
when I went to bed and tried to start it again today.
This time I get the following error::


C:\Python22\spambayes>C:\python22\python.exe pop3proxy.py
Loading database...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "pop3proxy.py", line 738, in ?
    run()
  File "pop3proxy.py", line 713, in run
    state.createWorkers()
  File "pop3proxy.py", line 559, in createWorkers
    self.bayes = storage.DBDictClassifier(filename)
  File "spambayes\storage.py", line 139, in __init__
    self.load()
  File "spambayes\storage.py", line 151, in load
    t = self.db[self.statekey]
  File "C:\Python22\lib\shelve.py", line 71, in __getitem__
    return Unpickler(f).load()
EOFError
Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "'NoneType' object
has no attribute 'error'
" in <bound method _Database.__del__ of
<dumbdbm._Database instance at 0x00A208A
0>> ignored



Any ideas what this might be? Is it a bug?
Solutions?


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Remi Ricard (papadoc)
Date: 2003-05-27 12:42

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=145206

Hi,

I'm getting the same error message.

This is what happened.
I was training pop3proxy with the web interface. Classifying
a unsure to be spam.

I got this error message in the web interface
raceback (most recent call last):

  File
"C:\Devtools\SPAMBA~1\SPAMBA~1.21\spambayes\Dibbler.py",
line 398, in found_terminator
    getattr(plugin, name)(**params)

  File
"C:\Devtools\SPAMBA~1\SPAMBA~1.21\spambayes\ProxyUI.py",
line 359, in onReview
    message =
spambayes.mboxutils.get_message(cachedMessage.getSubstance())

  File
"C:\Devtools\SPAMBA~1\SPAMBA~1.21\spambayes\Corpus.py", line
349, in getSubstance
    return self.hdrtxt + self.payload

  File
"C:\Devtools\SPAMBA~1\SPAMBA~1.21\spambayes\Corpus.py", line
296, in __getattr__
    raise AttributeError, attributeName

AttributeError: hdrtxt


Then I stop pop3proxy.py because I wanted to enable the logging
with
[globals]
verbose = True

Then I restarted the pop3proxy and I got the same error
message as in bug 738501

Remi
(papaDoc@videotron.ca)

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From mail at peterbe.com  Tue May 27 14:55:35 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Tue May 27 09:04:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Impressed by SAProxy
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1301C1F9A9@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030527135031.02271420@localhost>

At 12:58 2003-05-27 +1200, Meyer, Tony wrote:
> > I basically like the double-clickability. As opposed to
> > running the console and typing commands (hate win services).
>
>But you don't have to type any commands.  Just launch a browser and go
>to a bookmark, or (to cut out a step), open a shortcut to a URL.  This
>is double-clicking (possibly only one click).
>
> > I will personally have a look at maybe writing an app that does this.
>
>If you use Mark's toolbar demo as a starter, then all you have to do is
>set one menu item ("Configure") to open the web browser at the
>appropriate page (pop3proxy.py has code that does this that you can
>steal), and one to launch whatever documentation you're going to refer
>to.  (And keep the example exit).  And that's it.
>
>I still don't see the utility of this application, but if you do make
>it, please submit it as a patch so that others can use it also.

No, it's not just the documentation or the configuration web interface. 
It's the actual application running-
At the moment I have a command console open on my windows.

What other ways are there to start the pop3proxy?
What I do is:
Run -> "cmd" Enter -> "cd C:\Python22\spambayes\" -> 
"C:\Python22\python.exe pop3proxy.py"

Alternativly I could write some little batch file that I stick in the 
Autostart.

I will see what I can do with the taskbar gui demo app.

Peter 


From bkc at murkworks.com  Tue May 27 10:32:21 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue May 27 09:13:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing wordlists - better numbers
Message-ID: <3ED330A5.24185.26CF06E1@localhost>

Here are all the 2nd-pass word lists I have this morning:

[bkc@strader data2]$ python2.3 ../countwords.py key-hash.*
loading  key-hash.popiel 376496
loading  key-hash.skip 392849
loading  key-hash.tameyer 45914
loading  key-hash.timp 45426
loading  key-hash.who 28251
Loaded 5 wordlists with 717487 distinct words out of 888936 total words
Word counts by number of collections each word is seen in
Col.  # Words % of unique words
1     597436 83.3%
2      83279 11.6%
3      22983 3.2%
4      12952 1.8%
5        837 0.1%


And picking two that are nearly the same size

[bkc@strader data2]$ python2.3 ../countwords.py key-hash.popiel key-hash.skip 
loading  key-hash.popiel 376496
loading  key-hash.skip 392849
Loaded 2 wordlists with 684190 distinct words out of 769345 total words
Word counts by number of collections each word is seen in
Col.  # Words % of unique words
1     599035 87.6%
2      85155 12.4%


And another two nearly the same size

loading  key-hash.tameyer 45914
loading  key-hash.timp 45426
Loaded 2 wordlists with 78218 distinct words out of 91340 total words
Word counts by number of collections each word is seen in
Col.  # Words % of unique words
1      65096 83.2%
2      13122 16.8%


So .. it seems that at least 12000 words appear in nearly everyone's wordlist.

(ie, I run the test with four lists, leaving out key-hash.who (was uploaded as just key-
hash)

loading  key-hash.tameyer 45914
loading  key-hash.timp 45426
loading  key-hash.popiel 376496
loading  key-hash.skip 392849
Loaded 4 wordlists with 717487 distinct words out of 860685 total words
Word counts by number of collections each word is seen in
Col.  # Words % of unique words
1     618967 86.3%
2      66186 9.2%
3      19990 2.8%
4      12344 1.7%

What can we say about these 12000 words? Is there some way to improve the 
system by knowing that others have these same words, even if we don't know how 
others have classified those words in their own databases?




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http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From lists at olivermaunder.co.uk  Tue May 27 15:24:41 2003
From: lists at olivermaunder.co.uk (Oliver Maunder)
Date: Tue May 27 09:26:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Impressed by SAProxy
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030527135031.02271420@localhost>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030527135031.02271420@localhost>
Message-ID: <3ED36719.4080700@olivermaunder.co.uk>

Peter Bengtsson wrote:

> What other ways are there to start the pop3proxy?
> What I do is:
> Run -> "cmd" Enter -> "cd C:\Python22\spambayes\" -> 
> "C:\Python22\python.exe pop3proxy.py"

Create a shortcut with the command line:

C:\Python22\python.exe C:\python22\spambayes\pop3proxy.py

In the shortcut properties set "Start In" to c:\python22\spambayes. 
Then, you can put this shortcut in your start menu, on the desktop, or 
in your Startup group to make sure it's run when Windows boots.

You can get rid of the console window by running the script with 
pythonw.exe instead of python.exe. This does mean that you won't see the 
console window output. I don't run pop3proxy, so I don't know if that is 
important.

Olly



>
> Alternativly I could write some little batch file that I stick in the 
> Autostart.
>
> I will see what I can do with the taskbar gui demo app.
>
> Peter
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
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From Pei-shan at anthology.com  Tue May 27 10:59:34 2003
From: Pei-shan at anthology.com (Pei-shan)
Date: Tue May 27 09:56:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] folder disappeared
Message-ID: <DBD30ADEF459D511B87C00C0F01F70CD7C27F7@COSMO>

I installed your anti-spam program last week.  It worked wonderfully for a
few days.  This morning, as I was admiring the fine job it did over the
weekend (caught 250 spam emails), the 'Spam' folder I setup disappeared
without a trace.  I tried to re-'train' the program and it will not
recognize the folder I newly setup.  i.e. When I tried to 'delete as Spam',
I get a message "You must configure the spam folder". 

Any suggestions?

Pei-shan

From skip at pobox.com  Tue May 27 09:57:10 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue May 27 09:57:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing wordlists - better numbers
In-Reply-To: <3ED330A5.24185.26CF06E1@localhost>
References: <3ED330A5.24185.26CF06E1@localhost>
Message-ID: <16083.28342.289866.251818@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Brad> What can we say about these 12000 words? 

That they are common? ;-)

How about the next step in the exercise?  I propose that Alex and I
(assuming Alex is amenable) each extract a non-hapax version of our word
databases (real keys, real counts) then from that further extract a database
from that of the most hammy and spammy words (how about <0.2 and >0.8?), run
the usual tests against them and see how they do.  If that looks promising,
we can merge the common words from the two, test again, see how big the
result is, then decide whether to include it in a later distribution.

What's the formula again for computing the ham/spam probability for a single
word given its counts in spam and ham messages?  I can never remember it and
can't locate it in the source.  Is it just the usual 0...1 sort of thing:

    1 - nham/(nham+nspam)

?  Also, what's the key in the database which stores the total spam and ham
counts?

Thx,

Skip

From a at cisco.com  Tue May 27 16:57:40 2003
From: a at cisco.com (Alister Forbes)
Date: Tue May 27 09:58:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] muttrc file in the source distro
Message-ID: <20030527135740.GA23883@cisco.com>

All,

First, thanks for spambayes... has cut my daily spam from 30 - 40 a day.

Just one teeny tiny thing, the colour tagging in the supplied muttrc file
doesn't work.  Or at least, not in the latest versions of mutt.

in contrib/muttrc you show:

  color index red black "~h 'X-Hammie-Disposition: spam' ~F"

and what actually works is:

  color index red black "~h 'X-Spambayes-Classification: spam' "

I just ran up a quick page showing how to install it locally (our sysadmins
weren't too keen on giving me global access) and in the first half hour there's
already been nearly 100 hits.

Thanks for all the great work.
Alister

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From bkc at murkworks.com  Tue May 27 11:28:04 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue May 27 10:08:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing wordlists - better numbers
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On 27 May 2003 at 8:57, Skip Montanaro wrote:

> How about the next step in the exercise?  I propose that Alex and I
> (assuming Alex is amenable) each extract a non-hapax version of our word
> databases (real keys, real counts) then from that further extract a
> database from that of the most hammy and spammy words (how about <0.2 and
> >0.8?), run the usual tests against them and see how they do.  If that
> looks promising, we can merge the common words from the two, test again,
> see how big the result is, then decide whether to include it in a later
> distribution.

Are you suggesting including a "starter database" in the spambayes distribution, by 
noting which words are common to more than one person?

I wonder .. if we only used words which were "common" when determining 
spaminess, how well would that work?

Lets suppose in a "semi-shared database" mode, there was a mechanism for 
'upscaling' hapaxes into the "common word list", so that long term the collective 
wordlist would continue to evolve.

Individuals keep only their personal weights for "common words", so the database is 
split.. word-list is shared, weights are private.

Some users have gigantic lists of words, how many of them are hapaxes?

Is it possible that we could get good results by only using "common words", even if 
non-hapaxes for some users were not in the common words list? 

I suppose that depends on how close an individuals preferences are to the median of 
their group's preferences.

Do Skip and Alex have a small std deviation in their virtual group? ;-)



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http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From skip at pobox.com  Tue May 27 10:36:31 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue May 27 10:36:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing wordlists - better numbers
In-Reply-To: <3ED33DB4.30083.270206F9@localhost>
References: <3ED330A5.24185.26CF06E1@localhost>
	<3ED33DB4.30083.270206F9@localhost>
Message-ID: <16083.30703.462826.37792@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Brad> Are you suggesting including a "starter database" in the spambayes
    Brad> distribution, by noting which words are common to more than one
    Brad> person?

I thought that was the direction you were headed with this exercise.
I guess I misunderstood.

    Brad> I wonder .. if we only used words which were "common" when
    Brad> determining spaminess, how well would that work?

Should work pretty well if we include "common" words which turn out to be
strong spam or ham indicators for a suitable cross-section of the group.

    Brad> Lets suppose in a "semi-shared database" mode, there was a
    Brad> mechanism for 'upscaling' hapaxes into the "common word list", so
    Brad> that long term the collective wordlist would continue to evolve.

Alex and I both have fairly large word databases.  I suspect hapaxes will
remain hapaxes.  I'm thinking of just a starter database of a reasonable
size.  It could be shipped in plain text form then installed using Tim
Stone's (I believe) database importer/exporter tool.

    Brad> Do Skip and Alex have a small std deviation in their virtual
    Brad> group? ;-)

I realize there's a smiley, but what do you mean by "virtual group"?

Skip

From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Tue May 27 08:44:58 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Tue May 27 10:45:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing wordlists - better numbers 
In-Reply-To: Message from Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> of "Tue,
	27 May 2003 09:36:31 CDT."
	<16083.30703.462826.37792@montanaro.dyndns.org> 
References: <3ED330A5.24185.26CF06E1@localhost>
	<3ED33DB4.30083.270206F9@localhost>
	<16083.30703.462826.37792@montanaro.dyndns.org> 
Message-ID: <20030527144458.0E3032DDEF@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <16083.30703.462826.37792@montanaro.dyndns.org>
             Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> writes:
>
>    Brad> Are you suggesting including a "starter database" in the spambayes
>    Brad> distribution, by noting which words are common to more than one
>    Brad> person?
>
>I thought that was the direction you were headed with this exercise.
>I guess I misunderstood.

That would be one direction to take it, though I'd really be careful
with it, for all the reasons already discussed on the list.  Another
direction is pure research; look at the pretty numbers and see what
falls out.  Perhaps we'll discover something novel.

>    Brad> I wonder .. if we only used words which were "common" when
>    Brad> determining spaminess, how well would that work?
>
>Should work pretty well if we include "common" words which turn out to be
>strong spam or ham indicators for a suitable cross-section of the group.

It's the identification of groups and common interests that's most
likely to fall out of this line of study, I suspect.

>    Brad> Lets suppose in a "semi-shared database" mode, there was a
>    Brad> mechanism for 'upscaling' hapaxes into the "common word list", so
>    Brad> that long term the collective wordlist would continue to evolve.
>
>Alex and I both have fairly large word databases.  I suspect hapaxes will
>remain hapaxes.  I'm thinking of just a starter database of a reasonable
>size.  It could be shipped in plain text form then installed using Tim
>Stone's (I believe) database importer/exporter tool.

I can make a larger database, too.  The one I gave is just the last
four months of data; I have nearly double that, now, which I could
relatively easily load into a database for perusal.

>    Brad> Do Skip and Alex have a small std deviation in their virtual
>    Brad> group? ;-)
>
>I realize there's a smiley, but what do you mean by "virtual group"?

Well, I can't speak for Skip, but my group of virtual friends are
a pretty deviant lot.  Not prone to being standard. ;-)

- Alex

From bkc at murkworks.com  Tue May 27 12:10:59 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue May 27 10:51:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing wordlists - better numbers
In-Reply-To: <16083.30703.462826.37792@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <3ED33DB4.30083.270206F9@localhost>
Message-ID: <3ED347C3.11751.27295172@localhost>

On 27 May 2003 at 9:36, Skip Montanaro wrote:

> I thought that was the direction you were headed with this exercise.
> I guess I misunderstood.

The original question came up when someone asked about how to run spambayes 
on a server with 7000 accounts.

My thought was, if we split "the database" into two parts, the word list portion could 
be shared and the weights would still be personal.

So picture a school, or a business where you want to run spambayes on the email 
server, still offer personal weighting but cut down on the amount of data that needs to 
be stored. Is it possible/practical to target this problem by using a split database?

That's the question I'm trying to answer.

> Alex and I both have fairly large word databases.  I suspect hapaxes will
> remain hapaxes.  

By this I meant that a hapaxe is only a hapaxe until it appears again in another 
message. So imagine the first appearance of 'p0rn'. First time it's trained, it's a 
hapax. But 50 other people in the company got the same email and they all mark it 
as spam.

Somehow that word has to move from being a personal hapax into the collective 
word list. That mechanism isn't important right now, I just mentioned hapaxes 
because they have to be able to be "promoted" into the collective list. OTH, personal 
hapaxes will have to timeout quickly too, otherwise splitting the db is pointless if 
everyone has 380K hapaxes too.

>     Brad> Do Skip and Alex have a small std deviation in their virtual
>     Brad> group? ;-)
> 
> I realize there's a smiley, but what do you mean by "virtual group"?
> 

As in, all the students in the school, all the employees in the same division of the 
company. Obviously one database won't work for all of IBM, but might work for 
everyone in Endicott.

The presumption is that members of a group, by sharing the same language and 
similar social settings will have a higher percentage of their words in common. So if 
95% of your words are also in Alex's list, and 92% of his words are in your list, thats 
a lot better than only 50-50.

Note that this doesn't mean members of the group weight their words the same, only 
that they see the same words.

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http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Tue May 27 08:57:02 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Tue May 27 10:57:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing wordlists - better numbers 
In-Reply-To: Message from Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> of "Tue,
	27 May 2003 08:57:10 CDT."
	<16083.28342.289866.251818@montanaro.dyndns.org> 
References: <3ED330A5.24185.26CF06E1@localhost>
	<16083.28342.289866.251818@montanaro.dyndns.org> 
Message-ID: <20030527145702.71BBF2DDEF@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <16083.28342.289866.251818@montanaro.dyndns.org>
             Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> writes:
>
>    Brad> What can we say about these 12000 words? 
>
>That they are common? ;-)
>
>How about the next step in the exercise?  I propose that Alex and I
>(assuming Alex is amenable) each extract a non-hapax version of our word
>databases (real keys, real counts) then from that further extract a database
>from that of the most hammy and spammy words (how about <0.2 and >0.8?), run
>the usual tests against them and see how they do.  If that looks promising,
>we can merge the common words from the two, test again, see how big the
>result is, then decide whether to include it in a later distribution.

I'm amenable, but I'm a bit short on time at the moment.  If you
have the time, I can give you my entire database... otherwise it'll
likely wait until sometime this coming weekend.

>What's the formula again for computing the ham/spam probability for a single
>word given its counts in spam and ham messages?  I can never remember it and
>can't locate it in the source.  Is it just the usual 0...1 sort of thing:
>
>    1 - nham/(nham+nspam)

Nope.  Method 'probability' in 'classifier.py':

        spamcount = record.spamcount
        hamcount = record.hamcount
       
        nham = float(self.nham or 1)
        nspam = float(self.nspam or 1)

        assert hamcount <= nham
        hamratio = hamcount / nham

        assert spamcount <= nspam
        spamratio = spamcount / nspam

        prob = spamratio / (hamratio + spamratio)

        if options.experimental_ham_spam_imbalance_adjustment:
            spam2ham = min(nspam / nham, 1.0)
            ham2spam = min(nham / nspam, 1.0)
        else:
            spam2ham = ham2spam = 1.0

        S = options.unknown_word_strength
        StimesX = S * options.unknown_word_prob

        n = hamcount * spam2ham  +  spamcount * ham2spam
        prob = (StimesX + n * prob) / (S + n)


>?  Also, what's the key in the database which stores the total spam and ham
>counts?

Urgh... I'm forgetting this one.  In the pickle, they're stored
outside the wordlist, but I'm having trouble finding the non-pickle
version of the storage... ah, here is is: it's stored under the
"saved state" entry.

- Alex

From bill at parducci.net  Tue May 27 09:02:47 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Tue May 27 11:09:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing wordlists - better numbers
References: <3ED33DB4.30083.270206F9@localhost>
	<3ED347C3.11751.27295172@localhost>
Message-ID: <3ED37E17.9020307@parducci.net>

Brad Clements wrote:
> The presumption is that members of a group, by sharing the same language and 
> similar social settings will have a higher percentage of their words in common. So if 
> 95% of your words are also in Alex's list, and 92% of his words are in your list, thats 
> a lot better than only 50-50.

even if this were 100%...

> Note that this doesn't mean members of the group weight their words the same, only 
> that they see the same words.

...you would still have to have some sort of local index to refer the 
common token (as pointed out earlier in the discussion) so the size 
savings would be limited.

 > Is it possible/practical to target this problem by using a
 > split database?

the answers would seem to be yes/no respectively once you consider the 
additional overhead of referring to external data, merging tokens and 
increased fragility (single point of failure).

this is a very interesting idea, but after working it through in my 
head, it doesn't seem to offer an architectural improvement over the 
existing system (even for 7000 users). this is not to say that the 
pursuit of commonality, etc. won't bear fruit down the road, but that i 
personally don't think the original intent will be served.

just my two cents...

b


From skip at pobox.com  Tue May 27 11:40:31 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue May 27 11:40:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing wordlists - better numbers 
In-Reply-To: <20030527145702.71BBF2DDEF@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
References: <3ED330A5.24185.26CF06E1@localhost>
	<16083.28342.289866.251818@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20030527145702.71BBF2DDEF@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
Message-ID: <16083.34543.487263.763560@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Alex> I'm amenable, but I'm a bit short on time at the moment.  If you
    Alex> have the time, I can give you my entire database... otherwise
    Alex> it'll likely wait until sometime this coming weekend.

Sure, I have a script which dumps the words which fit my criteria.  I can
run both our databases through them and then just use comm(1) to get their
intersection.

    Alex> Nope.  Method 'probability' in 'classifier.py':

Thanks, got it now.

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Tue May 27 11:21:39 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue May 27 11:42:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing wordlists - better numbers 
In-Reply-To: <20030527144458.0E3032DDEF@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
References: <3ED330A5.24185.26CF06E1@localhost>
	<3ED33DB4.30083.270206F9@localhost>
	<16083.30703.462826.37792@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20030527144458.0E3032DDEF@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
Message-ID: <16083.33411.454483.16008@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Brad> Do Skip and Alex have a small std deviation in their virtual
    Brad> group? ;-)
    >> 
    >> I realize there's a smiley, but what do you mean by "virtual group"?

    Alex> Well, I can't speak for Skip, but my group of virtual friends are
    Alex> a pretty deviant lot.  Not prone to being standard. ;-)

Oh, I see.  I doubt my virtual group of online friends is all that typical
either.  By taking an intersection of what we consider to be hammy and
spammy words, I think we'll converge on a fairly innocuous set of words.  In
any case, this would just be for a starter database.  People could
presumably do one of three things:

    * ignore it altogether - start from scratch

    * start with it and build from there

    * start with it, then subtract it off after awhile

In the last item "subtract" might be either a gradual or quick thing.

Skip


From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue May 27 12:45:08 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue May 27 11:46:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] New mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <1054045679.2927.1.camel@barry>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEJDEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Barry Warsaw, in pvt email]
> It's currently too hard to alias a mailing list on python.org, so I'm
> giving up on that.  For now, you've got spambayes, spambayes-dev, and
> spambayes-announce.  All have been assigned to you Tim, and you should
> have the password notifications.

Thanks, Barry!

All, I'm out sick and can't deal with this now.  The new mailing lists are
at:

    http://python.org/mailman/admin/spambayes-dev
    http://python.org/mailman/admin/spambayes-announce

spambayes-users doesn't exist; spambayes still does.  If someone else can
move this along, please do.  The admin password can be gotten from me or
Barry; Skip should also know it.


From bkc at murkworks.com  Tue May 27 13:15:30 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue May 27 11:56:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing wordlists - better numbers
In-Reply-To: <3ED37E17.9020307@parducci.net>
Message-ID: <3ED356E2.5229.2764644F@localhost>

On 27 May 2003 at 8:02, bill parducci wrote:

> this is a very interesting idea, but after working it through in my 
> head, it doesn't seem to offer an architectural improvement over the 
> existing system (even for 7000 users). this is not to say that the 
> pursuit of commonality, etc. won't bear fruit down the road, but that i
> personally don't think the original intent will be served.
> 
> just my two cents...

You expressed this sentiment last week, so I think you're up to 4 cents now. ;-)

My excuse continues to be, lets pass the first stage before worrying about the 
technical issues of deployment. We may never get that far anyway.

Another thought.. In the case of 7000 users, how many are really going to bother to 
train? We know that a single person's weights probably don't speak for the whole 
community, but does an average of weights of a few members of the community 
represent the average of the weights of the entire community?

In other words, for those orgs who want some control over their spam, could the 
average weighting of 10 members out of 1000 reasonably represent the average of 
all 1000 members?

Heh, I know there's a technical name for this.. the mean of a sub-sample approaches 
the mean of the entire sample .. something like that.

So I'm thinking .. suppose you allow people to keep their private weights, but for 
those who just want "good enough" filtering, they use a "synthesized database" which 
represents the "average" of the private database weights.

Do you average the word weights across private databases before scoring, or do you 
average the scores?

Just musing..


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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Tue May 27 10:01:30 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Tue May 27 12:01:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740311 ] 'skip_max_word_size' error on
	XP
Message-ID: <E19KgtG-0008Dw-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #740311, was opened at 2003-05-20 08:09
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by sjuerges
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=740311&group_id=61702

Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Rony Steelandt (bucodi)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: 'skip_max_word_size'  error on XP

Initial Comment:
Installed the binary installer 002 on XP Pro

No spamb buttons added
Here is the logfile

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Created new configuration file 'C:\Documents and 
Settings\rony.BUCODI\Application 
Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 
170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", 
line 322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", 
line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", 
line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 
655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 
475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 
156, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 
71, in import_core_spambayes_stuff
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 274, in importHook
  File "E:\src\Installer\iu.py", line 353, in doimport
  File "E:\src\spambayes\spambayes\tokenizer.py", line 
659, in ?
exceptions.AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no 
attribute 'skip_max_word_size'


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Comment By: Sebastian Jürges (sjuerges)
Date: 2003-05-27 16:01

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=740980

Same here. 

WinXP Service Pack 1 / OutlookXP 



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Comment By: Harald Meyer (hmeyer666)
Date: 2003-05-23 20:36

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=785713

Same here with Win2000 and Outlook XP

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Comment By: Stefan Franke (sfranke)
Date: 2003-05-20 22:28

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=431616

I have the same one with Outlook2000 (SR-1) on Win2k.


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From bill at parducci.net  Tue May 27 10:32:29 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Tue May 27 12:39:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing wordlists - better numbers
References: <3ED356E2.5229.2764644F@localhost>
Message-ID: <3ED3931D.5040506@parducci.net>

Brad Clements wrote:
> You expressed this sentiment last week, so I think you're up to 4 cents now. ;-)
ok, i'll give you three :)

> My excuse continues to be, lets pass the first stage before worrying about the 
> technical issues of deployment. We may never get that far anyway.

hey, in terms of problem definition i am with you all the way. there are 
many that would love to see a centralized solution that provides 
acceptable results. however, can you determine this via word count 
direct redundancy comparison? it would seem that the only way to 
effectively test for this would be to test an 'averaged' db against 
numerous spam/ham profiles. and see if it works well enough.

the reason that i brought this up is that it seems like there is an 
increasing amount of work now going on to determine commonality, yet i 
cannot fathom an outcome that will solve your original question (a 
shallow thought pool to be sure ;-)

> Another thought.. In the case of 7000 users, how many are really going to bother to 
> train? We know that a single person's weights probably don't speak for the whole 
> community, but does an average of weights of a few members of the community 
> represent the average of the weights of the entire community?
> 
> In other words, for those orgs who want some control over their spam, could the 
> average weighting of 10 members out of 1000 reasonably represent the average of 
> all 1000 members?
 >
> Heh, I know there's a technical name for this.. the mean of a sub-sample approaches 
> the mean of the entire sample .. something like that.
 >
> So I'm thinking .. suppose you allow people to keep their private weights, but for 
> those who just want "good enough" filtering, they use a "synthesized database" which 
> represents the "average" of the private database weights.
> 
> Do you average the word weights across private databases before scoring, or do you 
> average the scores?

<caveat>i am a stats numbskull</caveat> i think you are going to find 
some unexpected results when you start using averages as the basis for 
decision making (average = dilution). i'd be willing to bet a peanut 
butter sandwich that as your 'sub sample' grows your results 
deteriorate, and that one person may actually be able to offer the best 
representation. :-P

taken one step further, it may make sense to have a 'profile db' for a 
variety of user types (student, teacher, staff, IS, guest, etc.) whereby 
a single user db is used to make decisions for those who are not 
inclined to train but are of similar interests. then again maybe not :) 
as has been pointed out to me on a number of occasions 'only testing 
will tell'. ;-)

bottom line: i am not trying to disuade anyone from pursuing the 
solution, just openly 'musing' as well.

b


From noreply at sourceforge.net  Tue May 27 10:52:01 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Tue May 27 12:52:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-744380 ] W982E/Outlook 2000: exception
	on loading
Message-ID: <E19Khg9-0004eA-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Steve Clift (sclift)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: W982E/Outlook 2000: exception on loading

Initial Comment:
Windows 98 2nd Edition
Outlook 2000 SR-1 - Corporate or Workgroup

SpamBayes throws an execption when loading. From the log file:

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in 
dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, 
in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, 
in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, 
in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in 
OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in 
GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 141, in 
__init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 182, in 
LocateDataDirectory
  File "E:\src\python-cvs\lib\ntpath.py", line 269, in isdir
exceptions.LookupError: no codec search functions registered: 
can't find encoding


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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Tue May 27 10:50:38 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Tue May 27 13:02:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-743113 ] Multiple profile issues
Message-ID: <E19Kheo-0002d3-00@sc8-sf-web1.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #743113, was opened at 2003-05-25 11:47
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Multiple profile issues

Initial Comment:
The only problem I have is that I use multiple outlook
profiles. At work, I use Exchange and at home I use a
personal folder for my mail delivery, which contains
its own inbox, junk and maybe folders.  When I initiate
Outlook with my work folder, it really screws up the
buttons. The manager button doesn't work, and I get a
duplicate pair of buttons appearing at the start of the
standard toolbar.  Fix is to disable the COM object,
exit, enter, re-enable COM object, (exit and re-enter?).
 
The only thing I can do right now is to disable the COM
object before moving profiles.
 
What would be great would be either to have a button
that toggles the functionality on/off, or (ideally) get
it to recognise the different profiles.


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Comment By: Brian Williams (bwims)
Date: 2003-05-27 16:50

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=626762

 I had a look at addin.py and it seems like it ought to be
 easy enough to specify a separate toolbar for the buttons.
 This might be
 the way forward since the layout of the standard toolbar
 varies considerable depending on which folder you are looking
 at, whereas
 special toolbars do not, and it seems to be that part of the
 problem occurs when you start off in the top level folder.

 Best regards,

 Brian Williams

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Tue May 27 11:16:17 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Tue May 27 13:16:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-740843 ] No Disk Error with Outlook
	2000 on startup
Message-ID: <E19Ki3d-0008Qb-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>

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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Sam Snow (snowsam)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: No Disk Error with Outlook 2000 on startup

Initial Comment:
After installing SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-002.exe I am
now getting an error dialog on Outlook startup. The box
says:

(Header) Inbox - Microsoft Outlook:OUTLOOK.EXE - No Disk
(Body) There is no disk in the drive. Please insert a
disk into drive \Device\Harddisk0\DR0.
(Buttons) Cancel, Try Again, Continue

I am able to click cancel or continue several times and
then outlook goes ahead and opens up. I just installed
this evening, so I am not sure if the filtering is
still working correctly. I was able to train the
program sucessfully. 

I am using Office 2000 SP3 on Win 2000. I will try to
attach a jpg of the dialog box. 

My error log says the following:

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\Snow1\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\Snow1\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 0 spam and 0 good messages
Loaded databases in 4.64165ms
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox
AntiSpam: Watching for new messages in folder Spam
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 31.9599ms
pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
line 275, in _Invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
line 280, in _invoke_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py",
line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line
203, in OnItemAdd
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line
163, in ProcessMessage
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line
15, in filter_message
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line
440, in score
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line
217, in chi2_spamprob
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line
465, in _getclues
  File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line
316, in probability
exceptions.AssertionError: 





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Comment By: Dennis Austin (portola)
Date: 2003-05-27 10:16

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=787905

I also usually see this error when I start Outlook, although 
not every time.  I also see it at the end of running the installer.

In my configuration it shows up as "No disk in drive E:".  E: 
is CD-ROM 1 on this machine.  I can get past the error either 
by clicking Cancel several times, or by putting any old CD in 
the drive and clicking Try Again.

The error does not seem to affect any function of the add-on.

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Comment By: Ferruccio Barletta (fgb)
Date: 2003-05-25 07:40

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=786210

I may have found the root cause of this problem. When I brought 
up disk management on my notebook I noticed that my hard 
drive was Disk1 and the SD media drive was Disk0. When I 
disabled the SD drive and rebooted, the hard drive became 
Disk0 and the problem disappeared.


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Comment By: Ferruccio Barletta (fgb)
Date: 2003-05-24 18:30

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=786210

I get the same error with Office 2002 SP1 on Windows XP SP1


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From david.scavo at kmaone.com  Tue May 27 15:26:55 2003
From: david.scavo at kmaone.com (David Scavo)
Date: Tue May 27 14:27:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes and Unread Flag
Message-ID: <5834614BE3281C459CE02E8B5D46A6A0655C57@msmail.kmaone.com>

Hi. I read about SpamBayes in an article in Infoworld. Previously I was using SpamAssassin, but I wanted to try out Bayesian filtering to see how it would compare. So far today, SPAMBayes has only let 1 of 18 SPAM messages through (pretty darn good). The real test is a weekend, when I get 250-350 SPAMs..

However, I do have a minor problem with SPAMBayes.

I am running Windows XP SP1 with Outlook 2000 SR-1 (9.0.0.3821). I installed 002 using the binary installer. I also have ActiveSync 3.6 installed (for my IPAQ 3765 Pocket PC), but my IPAQ has not been connected today. I did a complete uninstall of SpamAssassin before installing SPAMBayes. The backend server is Exchange 2000 SP2. 

What is happening is that random messages near the top of my Inbox keep getting their Unread flag reset (so they go from normal type back to BOLD type). Sometimes the message does not change to unread when you double-click and open it (ie it stays BOLD). Sometimes it changes to unread when you open it, but then while the message is open it turns back to unread (ie BOLD). It seems to happen mostly when a new SPAM message comes in, but I have seen it happen even when no new SPAM arrives. I am unable to reproduce the problem at will, be it has happened at least 15-20 times today.

If I go into Tools / Options / Other / Advanced Options / Com Addins and uncheck SpamBayes (and restart Outlook), I don't see the problem anymore....

I would be glad to supply whatever information would help you track down this problem. Other than this minor annoyance, SPAMBayes is working great.....

Thanks.

David Scavo
KMA One
Director of Technology

From KLEMKE at clgf.com  Tue May 27 14:49:28 2003
From: KLEMKE at clgf.com (KLEMKE@clgf.com)
Date: Tue May 27 14:53:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Any ideas?
Message-ID: <8E0DF15288B8D311BC830008C74C1103F2A088@POSTMAN>

I was using Spam Assain and after reading the great article on SpamBayes in
InfoWorld wanted to try the program.    I uninstalled SpamAssain and
retrieved the binary from
http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes/ and it appeared to
install successfully.  I and running Outlook 2000 SP-3 (9.0.0.6627) on a
Windows 98 machine.  When I start Outlook, there is no AntiSpam dropdown
button that I can see.  Is there anything else I should try?  Thanks.  KL

Kevin Lemke
(701)787-6328 before 12:00 CT
(701)772-0355 after 2:00 CT
(701)787-7028 Fax
klemke@clgf.com

From Ken.Cornetet at kimball.com  Tue May 27 15:35:54 2003
From: Ken.Cornetet at kimball.com (Ken Cornetet)
Date: Tue May 27 15:36:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Compatibility
Message-ID: <CD975E03C220FF4D8DBCA6C621DCD0E3035ADFA2@nts390.kii.kimball.com>

I installed on outlook 2002 (build 10.4705.4219 SP-2) running on Windows
2000 SP3 and it seems to work fine.

From tim at fourstonesexpressions.com  Tue May 27 15:52:55 2003
From: tim at fourstonesexpressions.com (Tim Stone)
Date: Tue May 27 15:53:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] That great Infoworld article...
Message-ID: <oprpuj6hi334x2gn@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>

Here's the url, in case anyone missed it... dated May 16.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/05/16/20TCspam_1.html?s=tc

-- 


c'est moi - TimS

From zander at zan.com  Tue May 27 14:01:48 2003
From: zander at zan.com (Zander)
Date: Tue May 27 16:02:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] email parse_headers error
References: <E19Kgs9-0004Q3-02@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <027701c3248a$d5668b60$a100a8c0@zlichstein>

So - the fact that the HeaderParseError() exception isn't handled gracefully
by pop3proxy.py has essentially rendered it useless for me.  It simply
throws an error and halts proxying the e-mail communication.  I'm not sure
what the plan is for this, but I wanted to see where current thinking had
gone:

1. Is there a newer version of email which allows for more tolerance these
non-RFC-2822 compliant e-mails?  I doubt it, because I would think that the
intent of the package is to handle confirmant messages.

2. Is there any thought to a simple pre-processing step which would make
sure that the last line of headers is appropriately formed *and would fudge
it* if not?  (In my experience, this is 99% of the malformed headers:
garbage/beginning of the message  on the last line of headers without an
extra newline)

3. How about an exception handler that tries to fix the header?  Possibly as
simple as catching the parse error and iteratively inserting a newline at
the last line of headers until it no longer throws the exception.

4. If not a exception handler that fixes - is there a simple mechanism that
could work like a "pass" to allow this message through.

As it is now, I need to manually RETR the message so that the rest can go
through the proxy which is extremely annoying, so I wish I could revert back
to the version I was using a few months ago (which worked ok, but simply
left as "unsure" the ones where the parser was confused)

- Z




From tim at fourstonesexpressions.com  Tue May 27 16:34:47 2003
From: tim at fourstonesexpressions.com (Tim Stone)
Date: Tue May 27 16:36:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] email parse_headers error
In-Reply-To: <027701c3248a$d5668b60$a100a8c0@zlichstein>
References: <E19Kgs9-0004Q3-02@mail.python.org>
	<027701c3248a$d5668b60$a100a8c0@zlichstein>
Message-ID: <oprpul39yz34x2gn@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>

On Tue, 27 May 2003 13:01:48 -0700, Zander <zander@zan.com> wrote:

> 3. How about an exception handler that tries to fix the header?  Possibly 
> as
> simple as catching the parse error and iteratively inserting a newline at
> the last line of headers until it no longer throws the exception.

This has been examined, and is not practical.

>
> 4. If not a exception handler that fixes - is there a simple mechanism 
> that
> could work like a "pass" to allow this message through.

I had thought this was already the case.  I'll make this correction...


c'est moi - TimS

From noreply at sourceforge.net  Tue May 27 15:19:29 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Tue May 27 17:19:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-744550 ] Outlook 2002 Tools/Customize
	dialog locks up
Message-ID: <E19Klqz-0000E3-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #744550, was opened at 2003-05-27 16:19
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Mark Raabe (mraabe)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook 2002 Tools/Customize dialog locks up

Initial Comment:
During any given Outlook session, once I display the 
Anti-Spam Manager dialog, I can no longer use 
Outlook's Tools/Customize command (for modifying 
menus, toolbars, etc.).  The Tools/Customize dialog 
displays, but the dialog's window title is corrupted 
(instead of "Customize" it just says "C") and all clicks 
anywhere on the dialog or its buttons are ignored (they 
produce the Windows "Default Beep" sound but nothing 
else happens).  This means there's no way to dismiss 
the dialog, and since it's modal, there's no way to do 
anything else with Outlook, including closing it.  In these 
circumstances the Outlook process has to be 
terminated.  When Outlook is restarted, 
Tools/Customize is once again fully functional as long 
as I don't visit the Anti-Spam Manager.

I'm running the 002 plugin + Outlook 2002 SP2 under 
Win2000 SP3.  I attach a logfile from a session where I 
start Outlook, invoke the problem, and then terminate 
the process after 60 seconds or so -- but the log doesn't 
look very informative in this case.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Tue May 27 15:29:54 2003
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Tue May 27 17:29:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Feature Requests-744558 ] Add "Delete As
	Spam" button to Outlook inspector window
Message-ID: <E19Km14-0000fI-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Mark Raabe (mraabe)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Add "Delete As Spam" button to Outlook inspector window

Initial Comment:
The "Delete As Spam" button that the addin adds to the 
toolbar in Outlook's main explorer window should also 
be added to the toolbar in each email inspector window 
as well.  I.e., when you double-click on an email and are 
viewing it in its own window, you should have the option 
right there to delete it as spam, instead of having to 
return to the explorer window to do so.

It's of lesser importance, but it may make sense to add 
the "Anti-Spam" dropdown button to the inspector 
window as well.

I tried adding the buttons myself, which caused me to 
discover bug #744550 (where Outlook's Tools/Customize 
dialog is broken).

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From skip at pobox.com  Tue May 27 17:32:12 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue May 27 17:32:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Intersection of two databases
Message-ID: <16083.55644.605271.500891@montanaro.dyndns.org>


If you followed the thread about sharing wordlists in which I misunderstood
why Brad Clements was interested in counting words in common, and are
interested in the notion of a starter database, read on.  I took two
databases, mine and Alex Popiel's, and for each database extracted those
keys with the following properties:

    * the key was not a hapax

    * the ham/spam probability landed it in the tails (p <= 0.2 or p >= 0.8)

The decision to skip hapaxes was simply because since Alex and I each have
fairly large word databases (mine has 8165 spam, 12315 ham and 392848
tokens, Alex's has 16384 spam, 6251 ham and 376495 tokens) I figured they
wouldn't add much.  The decision on the individual ham/spam thresholds to
consider was largely arbitrary.

After extracting the words which fit my two criteria, I used the Unix
comm(1) command to intersect those two (sorted) lists.  That left me with a
common.words file containing 18725 tokens.  The tokens included such obvious
(for us) words like '__version__', 'acronym' and 'url:python' and more
general words like 'synonym', 'switch' and 'acute'.

Using that list, I then merged the corresponding entries from the two source
databases.  This resulted in a database listing 24999 spam, 18566 ham and
containing (obviously) 18725 tokens.  This database is of course also much
smaller than either of the inputs (1.3MB vs. 21.0MB for each of the input
databases).

I then ran hammiefilter.py over a couple subsets of my old training data
using each of the three databases.  Data/Ham/Set1 contains 822 messages.
Data/Spam/Set5 contains 365 messages.  The table below compares the results
of running those two sets through hammiefilter with each of the databases:

                    word database   ham     unsure  spam
    Data/Ham/Set1   common          779     35        8
                    skip            810      4        8
                    alex            763     50        9

    Data/Spam/Set5  common            1     26      338
                    skip              0      7      358
                    alex             24     66      275

I suspect Alex's database didn't do as well as either my database or the
common database because the mail in my training collection is all mail sent
to me.  (Perhaps of greater concern should be that my database marked 8 hams
as spam. ;-)

If Alex is okay with the possibility, I'm willing to make the common
database available in plain text form for others to try on their email
collections.  I'll run it through dbExpImp.py first so everyone should be
able to use it.

Skip

From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Tue May 27 15:42:56 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Tue May 27 17:43:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Intersection of two databases 
In-Reply-To: Message from Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> of "Tue,
	27 May 2003 16:32:12 CDT."
	<16083.55644.605271.500891@montanaro.dyndns.org> 
References: <16083.55644.605271.500891@montanaro.dyndns.org> 
Message-ID: <20030527214257.F09542DDEF@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <16083.55644.605271.500891@montanaro.dyndns.org>
             Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> writes:
>
>I then ran hammiefilter.py over a couple subsets of my old training data
>using each of the three databases.  Data/Ham/Set1 contains 822 messages.
>Data/Spam/Set5 contains 365 messages.  The table below compares the results
>of running those two sets through hammiefilter with each of the databases:
>
>                    word database   ham     unsure  spam
>    Data/Ham/Set1   common          779     35        8
>                    skip            810      4        8
>                    alex            763     50        9
>
>    Data/Spam/Set5  common            1     26      338
>                    skip              0      7      358
>                    alex             24     66      275
>
>I suspect Alex's database didn't do as well as either my database or the
>common database because the mail in my training collection is all mail sent
>to me.  (Perhaps of greater concern should be that my database marked 8 hams
>as spam. ;-)

I also suspect that my database didn't do well on your mail
because, well, it was your mail.  If you're interested, I
could run similar tests of your database against my mail,
and see if a similar problem occurs.

>If Alex is okay with the possibility, I'm willing to make the common
>database available in plain text form for others to try on their email
>collections.  I'll run it through dbExpImp.py first so everyone should be
>able to use it.

That's fine with me. :-)  If you do, I'll be one of the ones
to grab it and test it.

- Alex

From seant at webreply.com  Tue May 27 19:14:01 2003
From: seant at webreply.com (Sean True)
Date: Tue May 27 18:14:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Announcement: SpamAtBay Outllok Add-in Beta Candidate 7
Message-ID: <MJEHLHJKGINLONDMMKNEEEHLLJAA.seant@webreply.com>

For the new people on the list: SpamAtBay is a soon to be available
commercial version of the Spambayes addin for Outlook. Any reader of this
list
who would like to beta test for us is welcome to a permanent license -- and
anyone who is a SpamBayes developer can have the license without anything
other
just asking. In either case, just email me.

Brief history: I wrote the first, really, really bad integration with
Outlook,
using VBA and a Python COM server. Mark Hammond thought the idea was neat,
but that the execution was, err, flawed, and pretty much rewrote it from
scratch.
Over the last few weeks, I've had a team of several people working on
polishing,
layout, docs, QA, and (gag) marketing oriented features. We're going to
release
a supported version sometime soon.

We're focusing on Tim's "easy enough for my sister" metric.

Supported systems: Win98SE, ME, NT 4, Win2K, XP; Outlook 2000/2002/XP
Not supported: Win95; Outlook Express

Change list for Beta Candidate 7:

1) Fixed installer bug on Win98
2) Add version and timestamps to log and "Contact Support"
3) More useful progress bars for learning and quarantining
4) Performance tuning on database
5) Memory usage optimizations
6) Whitelist code no longer causes crashes during selections of large
numbers
   of messages
7) Whitelist code survives missing domain
8) Databases are always stored after training
9) Moved/Copied/Untouched drop down restored to fullsize drop down
10) Store after every incremental message train
11) Add new tokenizer changes from Tim Peters
12) Clean up dialogs (not system menu style any more)
13) Fix 10 in 25,000 message parsing problem
14) Add system information to log and Contact Support mail
15) Fixed _obj.close() error after changing Spam folder name
16) Save config at end of setup wizard

-- Sean



From skip at pobox.com  Tue May 27 18:16:34 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue May 27 18:16:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Intersection of two databases 
In-Reply-To: <20030527214257.F09542DDEF@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
References: <16083.55644.605271.500891@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20030527214257.F09542DDEF@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
Message-ID: <16083.58306.496945.306171@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> If Alex is okay with the possibility, I'm willing to make the common
    >> database available in plain text form for others to try on their
    >> email collections.  I'll run it through dbExpImp.py first so everyone
    >> should be able to use it.

    Alex> That's fine with me. :-) If you do, I'll be one of the ones to
    Alex> grab it and test it.

The file common.export is available at

    http://www.musi-cal.com/~skip/common.export

It's in the format exported by dbExpImp.py.  You should be able to execute
something like

    dbExpImp.py -i -D common.db -f common.export

to generate a common.db file suitable for your particular environment.

If you can post a simple table like my previous post which compares the
performance of this small database to your current database over some
reasonable sample of ham and spam, that would be great.

Skip

From sgreen0 at charter.net  Tue May 27 16:35:25 2003
From: sgreen0 at charter.net (Stephen Green)
Date: Tue May 27 19:05:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installing SpamBayes
Message-ID: <NFBBIKBAKLLLPKGMOMNHKEGCDFAA.sgreen0@charter.net>

I have been trying to install SpamBayes on my computer (running Windows 98SE
and Outlook 2000).  As you already know, the latest binary version won't
install properly.

I tried to install Python, then the SpamBayes package.  I have only had
partial success.  In particular, I haven't seen any effect on Outlook - no
SpamBayes buttons or menus.

I got so far as to run the configuration via http:\\localhost:8880.  The
dialogues on that page imply that all is working.  I've tried to run
addin.py from the Outlook2000 folder of the SpamBayes program, but I can't
get it installed. BTW, running these python programs open DOS windows that
shut when they're done, so I can't see if any error message show up...

Is there a particular order of programs I'm to run to get everything
installed properly?  Am I supposed to move any of the .py files to other
locations (other that the Spambayes-1 folder created when it was unzipped)?

Help!!

Thanks.

Stephen Green
Long Beach, CA



From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed May 28 10:11:57 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue May 27 19:12:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installing SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <NFBBIKBAKLLLPKGMOMNHKEGCDFAA.sgreen0@charter.net>
Message-ID: <1fe401c324a5$5f7c95f0$530f8490@eden>

> I got so far as to run the configuration via
> http:\\localhost:8880.  The
> dialogues on that page imply that all is working.

Unfortunately, that is for a different product - that URL is for configuring
the pop3proxy app, which is generally not used by Outlook users.

I've tried to run
> addin.py from the Outlook2000 folder of the SpamBayes
> program, but I can't
> get it installed. BTW, running these python programs open DOS
> windows that
> shut when they're done, so I can't see if any error message show up...

Open a "Command Prompt" window, and run "python addin.py" from there.  That
way the console will not close, and you will see any messages.

>
> Is there a particular order of programs I'm to run to get everything
> installed properly?  Am I supposed to move any of the .py
> files to other
> locations (other that the Spambayes-1 folder created when it
> was unzipped)?

Nope - just running "addin.py" is all you need.

Mark.


From kalin at dkdigital.com  Tue May 27 17:42:04 2003
From: kalin at dkdigital.com (Dave Kalin)
Date: Tue May 27 19:42:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Thanks!
Message-ID: <HLEHLFNCPGFHCGCNELKMAEOEEAAA.kalin@dkdigital.com>

Just a quick note from a fan to say that I just installed SpamBayes and it
immediately got rid of all my junk. I had another Bayesiam Spam Filter which
only caught 26% of my spam (hardly worth it!) so I gave yours a try and it
works perfectly..

Keep up the good work!!!

  -Dave Kalin, Los Angeles, CA
From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed May 28 11:25:17 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue May 27 20:26:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] New mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEJDEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <201301c324af$9e0b6710$530f8490@eden>

> Thanks, Barry!

Thanks, Tim!

> All, I'm out sick and can't deal with this now.  The new
> mailing lists are
> at:
>
>     http://python.org/mailman/admin/spambayes-dev
>     http://python.org/mailman/admin/spambayes-announce
>
> spambayes-users doesn't exist; spambayes still does.  If
> someone else can
> move this along, please do.  The admin password can be gotten
> from me or
> Barry; Skip should also know it.

I propose we start using these immediately (well, within the next couple of
days).  spambayes@ becomes the user list, and starting now, all development
issues should be taken to spambayes-dev.  Bug reports should go to -dev (and
I think I can change that myself at sourceforge).

ASAP, and certainly before any next releases, we can advertise and start
using the -announce list.  Starting immediately, we can casually tell users
with problems to subscribe to this -announce list for the next version?

Any objections?

Mark.


From seandarcy at hotmail.com  Tue May 27 21:53:53 2003
From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy)
Date: Tue May 27 20:54:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] no classification in header; where is it?
Message-ID: <Law8-F8nJLpyVtsJNoc00038313@hotmail.com>

I'm trying sb in linux redhat 9 on evolution. It seems to be working great. 
When I go the web interface training page it's done a remarkable job. 
But.... there's no classification info in evolution itself. I was expecting 
a HAM or SPAM in the message header, together with a probability, so 
evolution could sort it into folders.

What'm I doing wrong?

sean

Here's  bayescustomize.ini:

cat bayescustomize.ini

[pop3proxy]
add_mailid_to:header

listen_ports:110,120
remote_servers:mail.xxxxxxxxx.net,mail.yyyyyyyyyyyyyy.com
strip_incoming_mailids:True

notate_subject:True
[smtpproxy]
ham_address:ham@spam
spam_address:spam@spam

listen_ports:25
remote_servers:mail.xxxxxxxx.net

[globals]
verbose:True

[Headers]
include_score:True

include_thermostat:True
[Storage]
persistent_storage_file:/opt/spam/spambayes/data/hammie.db
[html_ui]
display_to:True

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From skip at pobox.com  Tue May 27 21:01:05 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue May 27 21:01:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] New mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <201301c324af$9e0b6710$530f8490@eden>
References: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEJDEHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
	<201301c324af$9e0b6710$530f8490@eden>
Message-ID: <16084.2641.653244.797380@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> Barry; Skip should also know it.

I believe I do.

    Mark> I propose we start using these immediately (well, within the next
    Mark> couple of days).  spambayes@ becomes the user list, and starting
    Mark> now, all development issues should be taken to spambayes-dev.  Bug
    Mark> reports should go to -dev (and I think I can change that myself at
    Mark> sourceforge).

Sounds like a good idea.  

    Mark> ASAP, and certainly before any next releases, we can advertise and
    Mark> start using the -announce list.  Starting immediately, we can
    Mark> casually tell users with problems to subscribe to this -announce
    Mark> list for the next version?

    Mark> Any objections?

Nope.

Skip

From danimoor at hotpop.com  Tue May 27 19:13:06 2003
From: danimoor at hotpop.com (Dan)
Date: Tue May 27 21:05:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] 
	Spambayes working win2k server, outlook2002, bin install
Message-ID: <DADB5ECDDDE65B43A1387EE5E65CBB11AE5F@maui.emydan.com>

Windows 2000 Server, SP3
Outlook 2002 (xp)- I just realized I don't have a clue if it's been
service packed, duh... Version # is 10.2627.2625
Binary Installation
 
Works! Filters set up and tested.
 
Thanks!
From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed May 28 12:06:54 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue May 27 21:07:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] New mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <16084.2641.653244.797380@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <002001c324b5$6e451ed0$530f8490@eden>

>  Mark> I propose we start using these immediately (well, within the next
>  Mark> couple of days).  spambayes@ becomes the user list, and starting
>  Mark> now, all development issues should be taken to spambayes-dev.  Bug
>  Mark> reports should go to -dev (and I think I can change that myself at
>  Mark> sourceforge).

OK, I have taken that first step - all bug reports now go to spambayes-dev.

Mark.


From seandarcy at hotmail.com  Tue May 27 22:15:56 2003
From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy)
Date: Tue May 27 21:16:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] web interface: 500 Server error when training
Message-ID: <Law8-F79Rcz1RihpBbw000382ce@hotmail.com>

It appears that this eror only appears the first time you train sb. I've now 
trained it twice more, no problems.

sean

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From mjweaver at pacbell.net  Tue May 27 19:17:43 2003
From: mjweaver at pacbell.net (Mike Weaver)
Date: Tue May 27 21:17:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Status with Outlook 2003
Message-ID: <0HFK00B45OWWP0@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net>

Just curious about the status of support for Outlook 2003, I'm running beta2
and would certainly be willing to help test.
 
 
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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed May 28 12:27:23 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue May 27 21:28:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Status with Outlook 2003
In-Reply-To: <0HFK00B45OWWP0@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net>
Message-ID: <002801c324b8$4b71d6c0$530f8490@eden>

> Just curious about the status of support for Outlook 2003,
> I'm running beta2
> and would certainly be willing to help test.

Excellent.  The best thing you can do is to grab Python, win32all and the
source-code version (preferably via CVS so you have the latest), the "suck
it and see".  See the main SpamBayes pages for info on this.  Report
problems to SourceForge, and I will hopefully be able to nut through most of
them.

Mark.


From anthony at interlink.com.au  Wed May 28 12:46:16 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Tue May 27 21:47:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] New mailing lists 
In-Reply-To: <002001c324b5$6e451ed0$530f8490@eden> 
Message-ID: <200305280146.h4S1kHU15030@localhost.localdomain>


>>> "Mark Hammond" wrote
> OK, I have taken that first step - all bug reports now go to spambayes-dev.

And the website now publicises all 4 lists. I also spell-checked a number
of pages - probably a good habit to get into when putting large chunks of
text up.


From mark at enynsp.org  Wed May 28 00:05:01 2003
From: mark at enynsp.org (Mark S. Bergman)
Date: Tue May 27 23:05:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Updates?
In-Reply-To: <E19Kolk-0003ww-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <AEEFLGEJACDFFMDMPBFDOEJNCDAA.mark@enynsp.org>

Is this going to be the best list for getting announcements of updates to
the SpamBayes installer? I'm running it on Win2K and Outlook 2K with great
results. I'd like to be able to stay up to date and offer feedback.
Another friend installed it without creating a probable spam folder. He just
lets it go to his in box. This seems like a good approach to avoid
misclassified spam. to date I have no false spam's but plenty of mistaken
probable spam classifications.
Mark

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: email parse_headers error (Tim Stone)
   2. [ spambayes-Bugs-744550 ] Outlook 2002 Tools/Customize	dialog
      locks up (SourceForge.net)
   3. [ spambayes-Feature Requests-744558 ] Add "Delete As	Spam"
      button to Outlook inspector window (SourceForge.net)
   4. Intersection of two databases (Skip Montanaro)
   5. Re: Intersection of two databases  (T. Alexander Popiel)
   6. Announcement: SpamAtBay Outllok Add-in Beta Candidate 7
      (Sean True)
   7. Re: Intersection of two databases  (Skip Montanaro)
   8. Installing SpamBayes (Stephen Green)
   9. RE: Installing SpamBayes (Mark Hammond)
  10. Thanks! (Dave Kalin)
  11. RE: New mailing lists (Mark Hammond)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:34:47 -0500
From: Tim Stone <tim@fourstonesexpressions.com>
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] email parse_headers error
To: Zander <zander@zan.com>, spambayes@python.org
Message-ID: <oprpul39yz34x2gn@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed

On Tue, 27 May 2003 13:01:48 -0700, Zander <zander@zan.com> wrote:

> 3. How about an exception handler that tries to fix the header?  Possibly
> as
> simple as catching the parse error and iteratively inserting a newline at
> the last line of headers until it no longer throws the exception.

This has been examined, and is not practical.

>
> 4. If not a exception handler that fixes - is there a simple mechanism
> that
> could work like a "pass" to allow this message through.

I had thought this was already the case.  I'll make this correction...


c'est moi - TimS


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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:19:29 -0700
From: "SourceForge.net" <noreply@sourceforge.net>
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Bugs-744550 ] Outlook 2002
	Tools/Customize	dialog locks up
To: noreply@sourceforge.net
Message-ID: <E19Klqz-0000E3-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Bugs item #744550, was opened at 2003-05-27 16:19
Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter
You can respond by visiting:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=744550&group_id
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Mark Raabe (mraabe)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Outlook 2002 Tools/Customize dialog locks up

Initial Comment:
During any given Outlook session, once I display the
Anti-Spam Manager dialog, I can no longer use
Outlook's Tools/Customize command (for modifying
menus, toolbars, etc.).  The Tools/Customize dialog
displays, but the dialog's window title is corrupted
(instead of "Customize" it just says "C") and all clicks
anywhere on the dialog or its buttons are ignored (they
produce the Windows "Default Beep" sound but nothing
else happens).  This means there's no way to dismiss
the dialog, and since it's modal, there's no way to do
anything else with Outlook, including closing it.  In these
circumstances the Outlook process has to be
terminated.  When Outlook is restarted,
Tools/Customize is once again fully functional as long
as I don't visit the Anti-Spam Manager.

I'm running the 002 plugin + Outlook 2002 SP2 under
Win2000 SP3.  I attach a logfile from a session where I
start Outlook, invoke the problem, and then terminate
the process after 60 seconds or so -- but the log doesn't
look very informative in this case.

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:29:54 -0700
From: "SourceForge.net" <noreply@sourceforge.net>
Subject: [Spambayes] [ spambayes-Feature Requests-744558 ] Add "Delete
	As	Spam" button to Outlook inspector window
To: noreply@sourceforge.net
Message-ID: <E19Km14-0000fI-00@sc8-sf-web4.sourceforge.net>

Feature Requests item #744558, was opened at 2003-05-27 16:29
Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter
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Category: Outlook
Group: None
Status: Open
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Mark Raabe (mraabe)
Assigned to: Mark Hammond (mhammond)
Summary: Add "Delete As Spam" button to Outlook inspector window

Initial Comment:
The "Delete As Spam" button that the addin adds to the
toolbar in Outlook's main explorer window should also
be added to the toolbar in each email inspector window
as well.  I.e., when you double-click on an email and are
viewing it in its own window, you should have the option
right there to delete it as spam, instead of having to
return to the explorer window to do so.

It's of lesser importance, but it may make sense to add
the "Anti-Spam" dropdown button to the inspector
window as well.

I tried adding the buttons myself, which caused me to
discover bug #744550 (where Outlook's Tools/Customize
dialog is broken).

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:32:12 -0500
From: Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com>
Subject: [Spambayes] Intersection of two databases
To: spambayes@python.org
Message-ID: <16083.55644.605271.500891@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


If you followed the thread about sharing wordlists in which I misunderstood
why Brad Clements was interested in counting words in common, and are
interested in the notion of a starter database, read on.  I took two
databases, mine and Alex Popiel's, and for each database extracted those
keys with the following properties:

    * the key was not a hapax

    * the ham/spam probability landed it in the tails (p <= 0.2 or p >= 0.8)

The decision to skip hapaxes was simply because since Alex and I each have
fairly large word databases (mine has 8165 spam, 12315 ham and 392848
tokens, Alex's has 16384 spam, 6251 ham and 376495 tokens) I figured they
wouldn't add much.  The decision on the individual ham/spam thresholds to
consider was largely arbitrary.

After extracting the words which fit my two criteria, I used the Unix
comm(1) command to intersect those two (sorted) lists.  That left me with a
common.words file containing 18725 tokens.  The tokens included such obvious
(for us) words like '__version__', 'acronym' and 'url:python' and more
general words like 'synonym', 'switch' and 'acute'.

Using that list, I then merged the corresponding entries from the two source
databases.  This resulted in a database listing 24999 spam, 18566 ham and
containing (obviously) 18725 tokens.  This database is of course also much
smaller than either of the inputs (1.3MB vs. 21.0MB for each of the input
databases).

I then ran hammiefilter.py over a couple subsets of my old training data
using each of the three databases.  Data/Ham/Set1 contains 822 messages.
Data/Spam/Set5 contains 365 messages.  The table below compares the results
of running those two sets through hammiefilter with each of the databases:

                    word database   ham     unsure  spam
    Data/Ham/Set1   common          779     35        8
                    skip            810      4        8
                    alex            763     50        9

    Data/Spam/Set5  common            1     26      338
                    skip              0      7      358
                    alex             24     66      275

I suspect Alex's database didn't do as well as either my database or the
common database because the mail in my training collection is all mail sent
to me.  (Perhaps of greater concern should be that my database marked 8 hams
as spam. ;-)

If Alex is okay with the possibility, I'm willing to make the common
database available in plain text form for others to try on their email
collections.  I'll run it through dbExpImp.py first so everyone should be
able to use it.

Skip


------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:42:56 -0700
From: "T. Alexander Popiel" <popiel@wolfskeep.com>
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Intersection of two databases
To: skip@pobox.com
Cc: popiel@wolfskeep.com, spambayes@python.org
Message-ID: <20030527214257.F09542DDEF@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <16083.55644.605271.500891@montanaro.dyndns.org>
             Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> writes:
>
>I then ran hammiefilter.py over a couple subsets of my old training data
>using each of the three databases.  Data/Ham/Set1 contains 822 messages.
>Data/Spam/Set5 contains 365 messages.  The table below compares the results
>of running those two sets through hammiefilter with each of the databases:
>
>                    word database   ham     unsure  spam
>    Data/Ham/Set1   common          779     35        8
>                    skip            810      4        8
>                    alex            763     50        9
>
>    Data/Spam/Set5  common            1     26      338
>                    skip              0      7      358
>                    alex             24     66      275
>
>I suspect Alex's database didn't do as well as either my database or the
>common database because the mail in my training collection is all mail sent
>to me.  (Perhaps of greater concern should be that my database marked 8
hams
>as spam. ;-)

I also suspect that my database didn't do well on your mail
because, well, it was your mail.  If you're interested, I
could run similar tests of your database against my mail,
and see if a similar problem occurs.

>If Alex is okay with the possibility, I'm willing to make the common
>database available in plain text form for others to try on their email
>collections.  I'll run it through dbExpImp.py first so everyone should be
>able to use it.

That's fine with me. :-)  If you do, I'll be one of the ones
to grab it and test it.

- Alex


------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 18:14:01 -0400
From: "Sean True" <seant@webreply.com>
Subject: [Spambayes] Announcement: SpamAtBay Outllok Add-in Beta
	Candidate 7
To: <spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID: <MJEHLHJKGINLONDMMKNEEEHLLJAA.seant@webreply.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

For the new people on the list: SpamAtBay is a soon to be available
commercial version of the Spambayes addin for Outlook. Any reader of this
list
who would like to beta test for us is welcome to a permanent license -- and
anyone who is a SpamBayes developer can have the license without anything
other
just asking. In either case, just email me.

Brief history: I wrote the first, really, really bad integration with
Outlook,
using VBA and a Python COM server. Mark Hammond thought the idea was neat,
but that the execution was, err, flawed, and pretty much rewrote it from
scratch.
Over the last few weeks, I've had a team of several people working on
polishing,
layout, docs, QA, and (gag) marketing oriented features. We're going to
release
a supported version sometime soon.

We're focusing on Tim's "easy enough for my sister" metric.

Supported systems: Win98SE, ME, NT 4, Win2K, XP; Outlook 2000/2002/XP
Not supported: Win95; Outlook Express

Change list for Beta Candidate 7:

1) Fixed installer bug on Win98
2) Add version and timestamps to log and "Contact Support"
3) More useful progress bars for learning and quarantining
4) Performance tuning on database
5) Memory usage optimizations
6) Whitelist code no longer causes crashes during selections of large
numbers
   of messages
7) Whitelist code survives missing domain
8) Databases are always stored after training
9) Moved/Copied/Untouched drop down restored to fullsize drop down
10) Store after every incremental message train
11) Add new tokenizer changes from Tim Peters
12) Clean up dialogs (not system menu style any more)
13) Fix 10 in 25,000 message parsing problem
14) Add system information to log and Contact Support mail
15) Fixed _obj.close() error after changing Spam folder name
16) Save config at end of setup wizard

-- Sean




------------------------------

Message: 7
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:16:34 -0500
From: Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Intersection of two databases
To: "T. Alexander Popiel" <popiel@wolfskeep.com>
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Message-ID: <16083.58306.496945.306171@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


    >> If Alex is okay with the possibility, I'm willing to make the common
    >> database available in plain text form for others to try on their
    >> email collections.  I'll run it through dbExpImp.py first so everyone
    >> should be able to use it.

    Alex> That's fine with me. :-) If you do, I'll be one of the ones to
    Alex> grab it and test it.

The file common.export is available at

    http://www.musi-cal.com/~skip/common.export

It's in the format exported by dbExpImp.py.  You should be able to execute
something like

    dbExpImp.py -i -D common.db -f common.export

to generate a common.db file suitable for your particular environment.

If you can post a simple table like my previous post which compares the
performance of this small database to your current database over some
reasonable sample of ham and spam, that would be great.

Skip


------------------------------

Message: 8
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:35:25 -0700
From: "Stephen Green" <sgreen0@charter.net>
Subject: [Spambayes] Installing SpamBayes
To: <SpamBayes@python.org>
Message-ID: <NFBBIKBAKLLLPKGMOMNHKEGCDFAA.sgreen0@charter.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

I have been trying to install SpamBayes on my computer (running Windows 98SE
and Outlook 2000).  As you already know, the latest binary version won't
install properly.

I tried to install Python, then the SpamBayes package.  I have only had
partial success.  In particular, I haven't seen any effect on Outlook - no
SpamBayes buttons or menus.

I got so far as to run the configuration via http:\\localhost:8880.  The
dialogues on that page imply that all is working.  I've tried to run
addin.py from the Outlook2000 folder of the SpamBayes program, but I can't
get it installed. BTW, running these python programs open DOS windows that
shut when they're done, so I can't see if any error message show up...

Is there a particular order of programs I'm to run to get everything
installed properly?  Am I supposed to move any of the .py files to other
locations (other that the Spambayes-1 folder created when it was unzipped)?

Help!!

Thanks.

Stephen Green
Long Beach, CA




------------------------------

Message: 9
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:11:57 +1000
From: "Mark Hammond" <mhammond@skippinet.com.au>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Installing SpamBayes
To: "'Stephen Green'" <sgreen0@charter.net>,	<SpamBayes@python.org>
Message-ID: <1fe401c324a5$5f7c95f0$530f8490@eden>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

> I got so far as to run the configuration via
> http:\\localhost:8880.  The
> dialogues on that page imply that all is working.

Unfortunately, that is for a different product - that URL is for configuring
the pop3proxy app, which is generally not used by Outlook users.

I've tried to run
> addin.py from the Outlook2000 folder of the SpamBayes
> program, but I can't
> get it installed. BTW, running these python programs open DOS
> windows that
> shut when they're done, so I can't see if any error message show up...

Open a "Command Prompt" window, and run "python addin.py" from there.  That
way the console will not close, and you will see any messages.

>
> Is there a particular order of programs I'm to run to get everything
> installed properly?  Am I supposed to move any of the .py
> files to other
> locations (other that the Spambayes-1 folder created when it
> was unzipped)?

Nope - just running "addin.py" is all you need.

Mark.



------------------------------

Message: 10
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:42:04 -0700
From: "Dave Kalin" <kalin@dkdigital.com>
Subject: [Spambayes] Thanks!
To: <SpamBayes@python.org>
Message-ID: <HLEHLFNCPGFHCGCNELKMAEOEEAAA.kalin@dkdigital.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Just a quick note from a fan to say that I just installed SpamBayes and it
immediately got rid of all my junk. I had another Bayesiam Spam Filter which
only caught 26% of my spam (hardly worth it!) so I gave yours a try and it
works perfectly..

Keep up the good work!!!

  -Dave Kalin, Los Angeles, CA

------------------------------

Message: 11
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:25:17 +1000
From: "Mark Hammond" <mhammond@skippinet.com.au>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] New mailing lists
To: "'Tim Peters'" <tim.one@comcast.net>,	<spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID: <201301c324af$9e0b6710$530f8490@eden>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

> Thanks, Barry!

Thanks, Tim!

> All, I'm out sick and can't deal with this now.  The new
> mailing lists are
> at:
>
>     http://python.org/mailman/admin/spambayes-dev
>     http://python.org/mailman/admin/spambayes-announce
>
> spambayes-users doesn't exist; spambayes still does.  If
> someone else can
> move this along, please do.  The admin password can be gotten
> from me or
> Barry; Skip should also know it.

I propose we start using these immediately (well, within the next couple of
days).  spambayes@ becomes the user list, and starting now, all development
issues should be taken to spambayes-dev.  Bug reports should go to -dev (and
I think I can change that myself at sourceforge).

ASAP, and certainly before any next releases, we can advertise and start
using the -announce list.  Starting immediately, we can casually tell users
with problems to subscribe to this -announce list for the next version?

Any objections?

Mark.



------------------------------

_______________________________________________
Spambayes mailing list
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


End of Spambayes Digest, Vol 57, Issue 94
*****************************************


From mail at peterbe.com  Wed May 28 11:57:07 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed May 28 06:26:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug again
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030528104445.01f06790@localhost>


Now I get errors again.
If you want to see the content of my spambayes folder, go to
http://home.peterbe.com:8080/spambayes/



C:\Python22\spambayes>C:\Python22\python.exe pop3proxy.py
Loading database... Done.
Listener on port 110 is proxying mail.grenna.net:110
User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel 
<__main__.ServerLineReader connected at 0xbdcb10> 
(exceptions.TypeError:len() of unsized object 
[C:\Python22\lib\asyncore.py|poll|99] 
[C:\Python22\lib\asyncore.py|handle_read_event|396] 
[C:\Python22\lib\asynchat.py|handle_read|130] 
[pop3proxy.py|found_terminator|146]
[pop3proxy.py|onServerLine|214] [pop3proxy.py|onResponse|288] 
[pop3proxy.py|onTransaction|389] [pop3proxy.py|onRetr|458] 
[spambayes\message.py|as_string|199] 
[C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\email\Message.py|as_string|109] 
[C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\email\Generator.py|flatten|102] 
[C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\email
\Generator.py|_write|137] 
[C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\email\Generator.py|_write_headers|183] 
[C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\email\Header.py|encode|412] 
[C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\email\Header.py|_split|297] 
[C:\Python22\Lib\site-packages\email\Charset.py|encoded_header_len|341])


From skip at pobox.com  Wed May 28 08:36:28 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed May 28 08:36:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Updates?
In-Reply-To: <AEEFLGEJACDFFMDMPBFDOEJNCDAA.mark@enynsp.org>
References: <E19Kolk-0003ww-00@mail.python.org>
	<AEEFLGEJACDFFMDMPBFDOEJNCDAA.mark@enynsp.org>
Message-ID: <16084.44364.231578.307723@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Mark> Is this going to be the best list for getting announcements of
    Mark> updates to the SpamBayes installer? 

Mark,

The number of Spambayes-related lists just grew.  There are now four:

    spambayes (this list) - the list for users of the package - get help,
    answer questions, etc.

    spambayes-dev - the list for developers of the package or those who want
    to see where it's going.

    spambayes-announce - the list for those who just want to know about
    releases and other earth-shattering announcements.

    spambayes-checkins - the list for those who want to see how the code is
    changing at the file level.

Links to the subscription forms for each list are available on the home
page:

    http://spambayes.sf.net/

about 3/4ths of the way down.

    Mark> to date I have no false spam's but plenty of mistaken probable
    Mark> spam classifications.

By 'mistaken probable spam classifications' do you mean spam that was
mistakenly classified as ham or unsure, or good mail that was classified as
unsure?  It helps to learn and use the lingo, mostly because those of us
working on the package (usually) know what the terms mean.  There is a short
glossary at

    http://spambayes.sf.net/docs.html

If you encounter terms you don't understand which aren't included there,
just ask the list.  If you mention that it's missing from the glossary (or
better yet, file a bug report at SourceForge), someone will add it.

Skip

From mail at peterbe.com  Wed May 28 14:38:36 2003
From: mail at peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed May 28 08:56:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Impressed by SAProxy
In-Reply-To: <3ED36719.4080700@olivermaunder.co.uk>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030527135031.02271420@localhost>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20030527135031.02271420@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030528133758.01f58590@mail.grenna.net>

At 14:24 2003-05-27 +0100, Oliver Maunder wrote:
>Peter Bengtsson wrote:
>
>>What other ways are there to start the pop3proxy?
>>What I do is:
>>Run -> "cmd" Enter -> "cd C:\Python22\spambayes\" -> 
>>"C:\Python22\python.exe pop3proxy.py"
>
>Create a shortcut with the command line:
>
>C:\Python22\python.exe C:\python22\spambayes\pop3proxy.py
>
>In the shortcut properties set "Start In" to c:\python22\spambayes. Then, 
>you can put this shortcut in your start menu, on the desktop, or in your 
>Startup group to make sure it's run when Windows boots.
>
>You can get rid of the console window by running the script with 
>pythonw.exe instead of python.exe. This does mean that you won't see the 
>console window output. I don't run pop3proxy, so I don't know if that is 
>important.

Cool! I've never understood the difference between python.exe and pythonw.exe
That will solve my problem.

Peter

>Olly
>
>
>
>>
>>Alternativly I could write some little batch file that I stick in the 
>>Autostart.
>>
>>I will see what I can do with the taskbar gui demo app.
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Spambayes mailing list
>>Spambayes@python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Spambayes mailing list
>Spambayes@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From dan.ball at retek.com  Wed May 28 09:53:39 2003
From: dan.ball at retek.com (Ball, Dan)
Date: Wed May 28 09:54:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes...
Message-ID: <C736868EB761C04A8909BB038DEABD640352BFCC@MSPMAILV1.retek.int>

Ya know one feature that I think might be cool for your project...adding the ability to bounce spam emails as undeliverable back to the sender.

Just a thought.

Dan Ball - Retek Application Support
Web Developer/NT System Administrator
Phone - 612 587-2143
Cell - 612 720-3409
dan.ball@retek.com


From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Wed May 28 08:39:32 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Wed May 28 10:39:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes... 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Ball, Dan" <dan.ball@retek.com> of "Wed,
	28 May 2003 08:53:39 CDT."
	<C736868EB761C04A8909BB038DEABD640352BFCC@MSPMAILV1.retek.int> 
References: <C736868EB761C04A8909BB038DEABD640352BFCC@MSPMAILV1.retek.int> 
Message-ID: <20030528143932.A8F1C2DE3E@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <C736868EB761C04A8909BB038DEABD640352BFCC@MSPMAILV1.retek.int>
             "Ball, Dan" <dan.ball@retek.com> writes:

>Ya know one feature that I think might be cool for your project...adding =
>the ability to bounce spam emails as undeliverable back to the sender.
>
>Just a thought.

We've thought it a couple times, too... but given that most
spammers these days don't accept incoming email, or (worse)
forge the from and sender addresses, it's unlikely that it
would do any good, and may well do some innocent much harm.
One of my friends in college ended up on the receiving end
of a huge amount of hate mail (the sheer volume of which
incapacitated his system) because of spammer forgeries.

- Alex

From dan.ball at retek.com  Wed May 28 10:43:52 2003
From: dan.ball at retek.com (Ball, Dan)
Date: Wed May 28 10:56:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes... 
Message-ID: <C736868EB761C04A8909BB038DEABD640352BFCD@MSPMAILV1.retek.int>

Ya, I thought of that possible outcome, fortunately, I don't know anyone that was ever one the recieving end of that situation, if I did, I may be much more sensitive to it as well.

Good points, thanks for the response.

Dan Ball - Retek Application Support
Web Developer/NT System Administrator
Phone - 612 587-2143
Cell - 612 720-3409
dan.ball@retek.com


-----Original Message-----
From: T. Alexander Popiel [mailto:popiel@wolfskeep.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:40 AM
To: Ball, Dan
Cc: spambayes@python.org; popiel@wolfskeep.com
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] spambayes... 


In message:  <C736868EB761C04A8909BB038DEABD640352BFCC@MSPMAILV1.retek.int>
             "Ball, Dan" <dan.ball@retek.com> writes:

>Ya know one feature that I think might be cool for your project...adding =
>the ability to bounce spam emails as undeliverable back to the sender.
>
>Just a thought.

We've thought it a couple times, too... but given that most
spammers these days don't accept incoming email, or (worse)
forge the from and sender addresses, it's unlikely that it
would do any good, and may well do some innocent much harm.
One of my friends in college ended up on the receiving end
of a huge amount of hate mail (the sheer volume of which
incapacitated his system) because of spammer forgeries.

- Alex

From python-spambayes at discworld.dyndns.org  Wed May 28 10:17:47 2003
From: python-spambayes at discworld.dyndns.org (Charles Cazabon)
Date: Wed May 28 11:13:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes...
In-Reply-To: <C736868EB761C04A8909BB038DEABD640352BFCD@MSPMAILV1.retek.int>;
	from dan.ball@retek.com on Wed, May 28, 2003 at 09:43:52AM -0500
References: <C736868EB761C04A8909BB038DEABD640352BFCD@MSPMAILV1.retek.int>
Message-ID: <20030528091747.A3679@discworld.dyndns.org>

Ball, Dan <dan.ball@retek.com> wrote:
> Ya, I thought of that possible outcome, fortunately, I don't know anyone
> that was ever one the recieving end of that situation, if I did, I may be
> much more sensitive to it as well.

It's very common; if it's done maliciously, it's known as a joe-job.  The last
time it happened to us, we received forty million bounces in three days.  Yes,
please be sensitive to it -- and never try to "bounce" spam, it just adds to
the problem.

Charles
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Charles Cazabon                 <python-spambayes@discworld.dyndns.org>
GPL'ed software available at:     http://www.qcc.ca/~charlesc/software/
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

From param at cs.wisc.edu  Wed May 28 12:15:16 2003
From: param at cs.wisc.edu (Paramjit Oberoi)
Date: Wed May 28 12:15:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] hammiebulk.py: Untrain bug
Message-ID: <20030528111516.A27284@cs.wisc.edu>

Untraining does not work since when the "-U"
option is detected, the "untrain" variable is
set to "1", overriding the function definition...

patch:

145c145
<     untrain = 0
---
>     untrain_mode = 0
169c169
<             untrain = 1
---
>             untrain_mode = 1
182c182
<     if not untrain:
---
>     if not untrain_mode:


From bkc at murkworks.com  Wed May 28 15:06:26 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Wed May 28 13:47:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes...  - NDRs
In-Reply-To: <C736868EB761C04A8909BB038DEABD640352BFCD@MSPMAILV1.retek.int>
Message-ID: <3ED4C261.14820.2CF04840@localhost>

On 28 May 2003 at 9:43, Ball, Dan wrote:

> Ya, I thought of that possible outcome, fortunately, I don't know anyone
> that was ever one the recieving end of that situation, if I did, I may be
> much more sensitive to it as well.
> 

Here's another thought.

Suppose the MTA had spambayes support 'built-in'.

It could reject the message after DATA by returning a 500 series response. That 
should generate an NDR at the sending MTA.

If the spammer is running is own originating MTA (how many of them do) then they 
might be interested in getting truly invalid addresses off their lists. 

Musing ..



-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Wed May 28 12:08:19 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Wed May 28 14:08:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes... - NDRs 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Brad Clements" <bkc@murkworks.com> 
	of "Wed, 28 May 2003 14:06:26 EDT." <3ED4C261.14820.2CF04840@localhost> 
References: <3ED4C261.14820.2CF04840@localhost> 
Message-ID: <20030528180819.CD1DE2DE3E@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <3ED4C261.14820.2CF04840@localhost>
             "Brad Clements" <bkc@murkworks.com> writes:
>
>Suppose the MTA had spambayes support 'built-in'.
>
>It could reject the message after DATA by returning a 500 series response.
>That should generate an NDR at the sending MTA.
>
>If the spammer is running is own originating MTA (how many of them do) then
>they might be interested in getting truly invalid addresses off their lists. 
>
>Musing ..

Others have reported that spammers sophisticated enough to cull based
on MTA returns ignore all results after confirmation of RCPT... paying
attention to returns after that point just slows them down.

- Alex

From tys at cs.ualberta.ca  Wed May 28 13:15:18 2003
From: tys at cs.ualberta.ca (Tys von Gaza)
Date: Wed May 28 14:15:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes...  - NDRs
In-Reply-To: <3ED4C261.14820.2CF04840@localhost>
Message-ID: <003301c32545$1856aad0$b5f2b38e@gaza>

Bouncing spam was heavily discussed on this list starting on 26/11/2002.
Worth taking a look at what was discussed, pretty sure MTA's were
somewhere in the mix too.

Thread 1:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2002-November/002307.html
Thread 2:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2002-November/002329.html
Thread 3:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2002-November/002331.html

Tys von Gaza
tys@cs.ualberta.ca

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
> On Behalf Of Brad Clements
> Sent: May 28, 2003 12:06 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] spambayes... - NDRs
> 
> On 28 May 2003 at 9:43, Ball, Dan wrote:
> 
> > Ya, I thought of that possible outcome, fortunately, I don't know
anyone
> > that was ever one the recieving end of that situation, if I did, I
may
> be
> > much more sensitive to it as well.
> >
> 
> Here's another thought.
> 
> Suppose the MTA had spambayes support 'built-in'.
> 
> It could reject the message after DATA by returning a 500 series
response.
> That
> should generate an NDR at the sending MTA.
> 
> If the spammer is running is own originating MTA (how many of them do)
> then they
> might be interested in getting truly invalid addresses off their
lists.
> 
> Musing ..
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
> http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
> http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From Arnie at 1568.com  Wed May 28 12:41:32 2003
From: Arnie at 1568.com (Arnie Rowland)
Date: Wed May 28 14:43:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Enhancement Suggestion
Message-ID: <41A6707794EAD311A5D6204C4F4F5020132E59@WESTWOOD01>

It would be quite nice if the derived database could be saved to disk upon
closing Outlook -and re-read upon opening.

It would save the time and effort to re-train and rebuild the database every
time the computer is powered off.

Is there any movement toward an Exchange hosted version?

Regards,

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From wsy at merl.com  Wed May 28 15:43:25 2003
From: wsy at merl.com (wsy@merl.com)
Date: Wed May 28 14:46:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes...
In-Reply-To: <C736868EB761C04A8909BB038DEABD640352BFCC@MSPMAILV1.retek.int>
	(dan.ball@retek.com)
References: <C736868EB761C04A8909BB038DEABD640352BFCC@MSPMAILV1.retek.int>
Message-ID: <200305281843.h4SIhPA03702@localhost.localdomain>


   From: "Ball, Dan" <dan.ball@retek.com>


   Ya know one feature that I think might be cool for your
   project...adding the ability to bounce spam emails as undeliverable
   back to the sender.

I've often wanted to do this as well.

The problem is this: the "from" address on spam is almost always forged.

That doesn't make the task impossible, just harder.  You need to execute
the bounce at SMTP transfer time, not at MDA execution time (which is 
where filters usually go).

Basically, one needs to write an SMTP front end that does filtering and
400's the message during the SMTP protocol whenever it thinks it's spam.

Good idea, hard to implement.

      - Bill Yerazunis

From wsy at merl.com  Wed May 28 15:51:10 2003
From: wsy at merl.com (wsy@merl.com)
Date: Wed May 28 14:54:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes... - NDRs
In-Reply-To: <20030528180819.CD1DE2DE3E@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
	(popiel@wolfskeep.com)
References: <3ED4C261.14820.2CF04840@localhost>
	<20030528180819.CD1DE2DE3E@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
Message-ID: <200305281851.h4SIpAI03725@localhost.localdomain>


   From: "T. Alexander Popiel" <popiel@wolfskeep.com>
   >
   >If the spammer is running is own originating MTA (how many of them do) then
   >they might be interested in getting truly invalid addresses off their lists. 
   >
   >Musing ..

   Others have reported that spammers sophisticated enough to cull based
   on MTA returns ignore all results after confirmation of RCPT... paying
   attention to returns after that point just slows them down.

Yes, it's called "pipelining" where they just stick the whole stream
in without waiting for the proper responses.

However, deeveeing the stream at SMTP time still works "right", as
legitimate senders who are falseley rejected will still get an error message,
and the spammers are still denyed resources and viewer eyes.

It's still a hard-to-do-but-may-be-worthwhile thing.

    -Bill Y.

From zander at zan.com  Wed May 28 13:40:28 2003
From: zander at zan.com (Zander)
Date: Wed May 28 15:40:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] email parse_headers error
References: <E19Kgs9-0004Q3-02@mail.python.org><027701c3248a$d5668b60$a100a8c0@zlichstein>
	<oprpul39yz34x2gn@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>
Message-ID: <016e01c32551$0137aaf0$a100a8c0@zlichstein>

Not sure if you were under the impressoin that this was fixed, but I'm still
getting errors that cause POP proxying to completely stop until I manually
DELE the message:

error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel
<__main__.ServerLineReader connected at 0x86b069c>
(email.Errors.HeaderParseError:Not a header, not a continuation: ``<html>''
[//usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py|poll|99]
[//usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py|handle_read_event|396]
[//usr/lib/python2.2/asynchat.py|handle_read|130]
[pop3proxy.py|found_terminator|146] [pop3proxy.py|onServerLine|214]
[pop3proxy.py|onResponse|288] [pop3proxy.py|onTransaction|389]
[pop3proxy.py|onRetr|436] [spambayes/message.py|setPayload|165]
[/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/email/Parser.py|_parseheaders|128])

------- snip offending message header --------
Return-Path: <a_schifko@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: zander@zan.com
Received: (qmail 29472 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 17:23:36 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO ca-arcdca-cuda1-c1m-69.arcdca.adelphia.net)
(24.54.204.69)
  by swift.phpwebhosting.com with SMTP; 28 May 2003 17:23:36 -0000
From: "Lenore" <a_schifko@hotmail.com>
To: "Lee" <zander@zan.com>
Subject: Recommended
Content-Type: text/html;
        charset="windows-1251"
<html>

<head>....
----------- /snip -----------------

Should I just shut up and file a bug report (or fix it myself?)

- Z


----- Original Message -----

....
> I had thought this was already the case.  I'll make this correction...
>
>
> c'est moi - TimS
>


From skip at pobox.com  Wed May 28 17:18:23 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed May 28 17:18:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FAQ updated
Message-ID: <16085.10143.186656.280842@montanaro.dyndns.org>

(Sending to both spambayes and spambayes-dev to catch all interested
parties.) 

Folks,

With a little assistance from Anthony Baxter, I updated the faq.ht file to
automatically number both the table of contents and the main section with
the answers.  I also ran it through ispell and added a comment near the top
to help people figure out how to add new content.  If you see anything
amiss, feel free to send me a correction or check it in yourself if you're
so enabled.

Skip

From nas at python.ca  Wed May 28 15:38:07 2003
From: nas at python.ca (Neil Schemenauer)
Date: Wed May 28 17:35:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes...
In-Reply-To: <200305281843.h4SIhPA03702@localhost.localdomain>
References: <C736868EB761C04A8909BB038DEABD640352BFCC@MSPMAILV1.retek.int>
	<200305281843.h4SIhPA03702@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20030528213807.GA27541@glacier.arctrix.com>

wsy@merl.com wrote:
> The problem is this: the "from" address on spam is almost always forged.
> 
> That doesn't make the task impossible, just harder.  You need to execute
> the bounce at SMTP transfer time, not at MDA execution time (which is 
> where filters usually go).

Right.  Bouncing the message after the SMTP transaction does more harm
than good.

> Basically, one needs to write an SMTP front end that does filtering and
> 400's the message during the SMTP protocol whenever it thinks it's spam.

I have something for qmail:

    http://arctrix.com/nas/qmail/spambayes/

Greg Wand and I also have something for Exim (using elspy).  I've placed
a sanitized version here:

    http://arctrix.com/nas/exim/local_scan.py

It should be generally usable with a little editing.  Note that both of
these implementations use my "spam delay" idea.  I.e., if the message
looks like spam, return a temporary 4xx error for a certain amount of
time.  The Exim version is more lenient because it is being used in a
corporate setting.

I've toyed with the idea of writing an SMTP proxy that does filtering
using spambayes and then passes the message to a real MTA.  Would people
find this more useful than a MTA specific solution?

  Neil

From Steven.Yarnell at Yarnell-Research.com  Wed May 28 15:55:30 2003
From: Steven.Yarnell at Yarnell-Research.com (Steven Yarnell)
Date: Wed May 28 17:55:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Install failure
Message-ID: <1273FD5DCFB2D211A64E00805F6515093C58FE@MARCH>

Just an fyi:  I have Outlook XP, SP2 and Spambayes will not install, though
it is listed as a checked Com add-in.
 
Thank you
 
Steven
 

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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu May 29 10:22:01 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed May 28 19:24:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Enhancement Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <41A6707794EAD311A5D6204C4F4F5020132E59@WESTWOOD01>
Message-ID: <02cb01c3256f$f1b03380$530f8490@eden>

> It would be quite nice if the derived database could be saved
> to disk upon
> closing Outlook -and re-read upon opening.

It certainly is supposed to work that way - and indeed does for most people.
Are you sure that Outlook is being completely shut down before you power off
the machine?

Either way, the latest versions in CVS actually save the database after a
training operation rather than at shutdown, meaning this should be even less
likely to happen again.

> Is there any movement toward an Exchange hosted version?

Nope.  I'm not even sure what you mean by this.  You mean a system where the
per-user database is stored in exchange thereby giving the ability to
"roam", or you mean a single database shared between all users and
administered centrally?  The former is more likely than the latter :)

Mark.


From buckwheat at videotron.ca  Wed May 28 22:19:06 2003
From: buckwheat at videotron.ca (Michel Therien)
Date: Wed May 28 21:20:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <MOEMIBINIEAMIMHGECFKCEKFCCAA.buckwheat@videotron.ca>


hi!
I just installed the Spambayes plugin for outlook, it looks really good and
I am looking forward to having more spam to see it work.
However, I have a question, since I dont have much to do with spam,I would
like to set it up so my spam folder is emptied without me having to do it,
what I wonder is if the spam folder is emptied will I lose the "training"
from all those messages?
keep up the good work! and Thank You


From skip at pobox.com  Wed May 28 21:33:10 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed May 28 21:34:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <MOEMIBINIEAMIMHGECFKCEKFCCAA.buckwheat@videotron.ca>
References: <MOEMIBINIEAMIMHGECFKCEKFCCAA.buckwheat@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <16085.25430.412240.563438@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Michel> However, I have a question, since I dont have much to do with
    Michel> spam,I would like to set it up so my spam folder is emptied
    Michel> without me having to do it, what I wonder is if the spam folder
    Michel> is emptied will I lose the "training" from all those messages?
    Michel> keep up the good work!

No, I don't believe you can, and it's a bad idea anyway.  You'd eventually
wind up deleting a message you wanted to see.  You're probably better off
sorting your Spam folder by Subject or author and skimming it quickly.

Skip

From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Wed May 28 20:00:04 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Wed May 28 22:00:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes... 
In-Reply-To: Message from Neil Schemenauer <nas@python.ca> of "Wed,
	28 May 2003 14:38:07 PDT." <20030528213807.GA27541@glacier.arctrix.com>
References: <C736868EB761C04A8909BB038DEABD640352BFCC@MSPMAILV1.retek.int>
	<200305281843.h4SIhPA03702@localhost.localdomain>
	<20030528213807.GA27541@glacier.arctrix.com> 
Message-ID: <20030529020004.EDBF72DE3E@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <20030528213807.GA27541@glacier.arctrix.com>
             Neil Schemenauer <nas@python.ca> writes:
>
>I've toyed with the idea of writing an SMTP proxy that does filtering
>using spambayes and then passes the message to a real MTA.  Would people
>find this more useful than a MTA specific solution?

I would, if I were interested in running such a thing.  However,
I'm not interested in running such, so I'm not sure if this counts
as a vote or not...

- Alex

From tshumway-sf at jdiworks.net  Wed May 28 20:03:11 2003
From: tshumway-sf at jdiworks.net (Terrel Shumway)
Date: Wed May 28 22:03:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes... - NDRs
In-Reply-To: <200305281851.h4SIpAI03725@localhost.localdomain>
References: <3ED4C261.14820.2CF04840@localhost>
	<20030528180819.CD1DE2DE3E@cashew.wolfskeep.com>
	<200305281851.h4SIpAI03725@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20030529020311.B5E2E63C25@smtp.us2.messagingengine.com>

On Wed, 28 May 2003 14:51:10 -0400, wsy@merl.com said:
> 
> It's still a hard-to-do-but-may-be-worthwhile thing.

I do think it is worth trying.  Combine it with some TMDA-like
confirmation, and the risk of losing good mail to a FP goes even lower
than it already is.

  553 I am rejecting this because it looks like spam. If you think it
  isn't, follow the instructions at http://.... 

Keep it around for a week, then if no human confirms it ....

No, it won't matter to spammers, but it will matter to people.



From parnold at CuraGen.com  Thu May 29 00:46:17 2003
From: parnold at CuraGen.com (Arnold, Paul)
Date: Wed May 28 23:46:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes... 
Message-ID: <5A1D8FAF546576439E5E0BEE5E4E772AD246CF@ENTERPRISEA.CURAGEN.COM>

Actually, this is what the commercial server-based products do.
The most attractive option I have seen is to "tag" suspected spam. For example, I like the option where they insert "[SPAM]" or whatever string you like into the beginning of the subject line. We have a
This way, the end client can set (easy) rules to move messages with this subject line to a folder, etc.

Naturally, as a mail admin, the difficulty would be finding the "sweet" threshold for all users...

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: T. Alexander Popiel [mailto:popiel@wolfskeep.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:00 PM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] spambayes... 


In message:  <20030528213807.GA27541@glacier.arctrix.com>
             Neil Schemenauer <nas@python.ca> writes:
>
>I've toyed with the idea of writing an SMTP proxy that does filtering
>using spambayes and then passes the message to a real MTA.  Would people
>find this more useful than a MTA specific solution?

I would, if I were interested in running such a thing.  However,
I'm not interested in running such, so I'm not sure if this counts
as a vote or not...

- Alex

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From parnold at CuraGen.com  Thu May 29 00:50:04 2003
From: parnold at CuraGen.com (Arnold, Paul)
Date: Wed May 28 23:50:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <5A1D8FAF546576439E5E0BEE5E4E772AD0220D@ENTERPRISEA.CURAGEN.COM>

Yes, you can. 
In Outlook, right click the folder and choose Properties.
On the AutoArchive tab you can set a time limit (in days/weeks/months) and have the messages deleted permanently.
The next thing you have to do is under Tools/Options set the AutoArchive to run every x days. (14 by default)

HTH,
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Michel Therien [mailto:buckwheat@videotron.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:19 PM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)



hi!
I just installed the Spambayes plugin for outlook, it looks really good and
I am looking forward to having more spam to see it work.
However, I have a question, since I dont have much to do with spam,I would
like to set it up so my spam folder is emptied without me having to do it,
what I wonder is if the spam folder is emptied will I lose the "training"
from all those messages?
keep up the good work! and Thank You


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From hartmut.otting at topaz.ws  Thu May 29 17:12:13 2003
From: hartmut.otting at topaz.ws (Hartmut Otting)
Date: Thu May 29 00:12:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Compatibility
Message-ID: <F9A223D61E549F428136221D909E2EBC0DF4E2@tclas01.topaz.ws>

Hi there,
I've installed (with the Windows Installer) on W2K Service Pack 3 and
Outlook XP Service Pack 2.
There appear to be no problems with this configuration and it does the
job perfectly.
Terrific product.
 
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From matthewd at cisco.com  Thu May 29 15:16:19 2003
From: matthewd at cisco.com (Dickinson, Matthew)
Date: Thu May 29 00:18:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem: it stopped working - com ad in is
	disabled? wo n't let me re-enable...
Message-ID: <11D2868F916DD411982D00508B694F430FC5E494@syd-xch2.cisco.com>

Hi,
 
Spambayes was working perfectly for me - it's the best spam filterer that
I've ever used!
 
So I've been very inundated with spam over the past week because it hasn't
been working...
 
I'm running the binary version.
 
About a week ago Outlook pretty much hung and was hanging the whole PC,
eventually it reported that an error had occured with an Add In (I'm
assuming Spambayes as I have no other adins) and that it would disable it...
so that it could start Outlook (it kept on crashing each time I tried to
start it until I did this)... So once Outlook was back up I went into the
com add in section and saw that it was there (just without the checkbox) so
I checked the box hit ok etc... but no icon's appeared on the menu and my
spam wasn't being filtered (ie it wasn't running)... so I went back to the
com ad in area and noticed that it was unchecked again... I tried checking
it again etc... and basically its as if it won't stay enabled... 
So I tried uninstalling it, then reinstalling it - same problem.
 
I even tried upgrading to Outlook 2002, then installing it - same problem
 
There is no log file generated from the session (the last log file says that
Spambayes was registered successfully)
 
Any ideas on how I can get it working?
 
Thanks
 
Matt
From matthewd at cisco.com  Thu May 29 15:22:55 2003
From: matthewd at cisco.com (Dickinson, Matthew)
Date: Thu May 29 00:23:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Spambayes problem: it stopped working - com ad in
	is disabled ? won't let me re-enable...
Message-ID: <11D2868F916DD411982D00508B694F430FC5E495@syd-xch2.cisco.com>

PS: I'm running Windows 2000 Pro

-----Original Message-----
From: Dickinson, Matthew 
Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 2:16 PM
To: 'spambayes@python.org'
Subject: Spambayes problem: it stopped working - com ad in is disabled?
won't let me re-enable...


Hi,
 
Spambayes was working perfectly for me - it's the best spam filterer that
I've ever used!
 
So I've been very inundated with spam over the past week because it hasn't
been working...
 
I'm running the binary version.
 
About a week ago Outlook pretty much hung and was hanging the whole PC,
eventually it reported that an error had occured with an Add In (I'm
assuming Spambayes as I have no other adins) and that it would disable it...
so that it could start Outlook (it kept on crashing each time I tried to
start it until I did this)... So once Outlook was back up I went into the
com add in section and saw that it was there (just without the checkbox) so
I checked the box hit ok etc... but no icon's appeared on the menu and my
spam wasn't being filtered (ie it wasn't running)... so I went back to the
com ad in area and noticed that it was unchecked again... I tried checking
it again etc... and basically its as if it won't stay enabled... 
So I tried uninstalling it, then reinstalling it - same problem.
 
I even tried upgrading to Outlook 2002, then installing it - same problem
 
There is no log file generated from the session (the last log file says that
Spambayes was registered successfully)
 
Any ideas on how I can get it working?
 
Thanks
 
Matt

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu May 29 15:33:21 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu May 29 00:34:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem: it stopped working - com ad in
	isdisabled? wo n't let me re-enable...
In-Reply-To: <11D2868F916DD411982D00508B694F430FC5E494@syd-xch2.cisco.com>
Message-ID: <037d01c3259b$701b45e0$530f8490@eden>

Unfortunately, I have no idea what could cause this.  Certainly,
re-installing the addin should work, and it should at least generate a log
with the failure reason in this case.

You could try running "regsvr32 SpamBayesAddin.dll" (or whatever it was I
named that DLL ;) - hopefully you will get a "success" message.  Then try
re-starting Outlook and check for a log.

About the only thing I can think of is that SpamBayes is failing when
*creating* the log file - hence we see no errors.  The only way I can see
that happening is if your Windows temp directory doesn't exist - and I
imagine much more than SpamBayes would get upset in that situation.  Another
option would be that the log files are somehow read-only - can you try
deleting all old log files first?

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Dickinson, Matthew
> Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 2:16 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem: it stopped working - com ad in
> isdisabled? wo n't let me re-enable...
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Spambayes was working perfectly for me - it's the best spam
> filterer that
> I've ever used!
>
> So I've been very inundated with spam over the past week
> because it hasn't
> been working...
>
> I'm running the binary version.
>
> About a week ago Outlook pretty much hung and was hanging the
> whole PC,
> eventually it reported that an error had occured with an Add In (I'm
> assuming Spambayes as I have no other adins) and that it
> would disable it...
> so that it could start Outlook (it kept on crashing each time
> I tried to
> start it until I did this)... So once Outlook was back up I
> went into the
> com add in section and saw that it was there (just without
> the checkbox) so
> I checked the box hit ok etc... but no icon's appeared on the
> menu and my
> spam wasn't being filtered (ie it wasn't running)... so I
> went back to the
> com ad in area and noticed that it was unchecked again... I
> tried checking
> it again etc... and basically its as if it won't stay enabled...
> So I tried uninstalling it, then reinstalling it - same problem.
>
> I even tried upgrading to Outlook 2002, then installing it -
> same problem
>
> There is no log file generated from the session (the last log
> file says that
> Spambayes was registered successfully)
>
> Any ideas on how I can get it working?
>
> Thanks
>
> Matt
> _______________________________________________
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> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>


From m2 at plusseven.com  Thu May 29 14:14:20 2003
From: m2 at plusseven.com (Alex Polite)
Date: Thu May 29 07:14:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] multiple languages
Message-ID: <20030529111420.GA584@matijek>

I've been using spambayes in conjuction with procmail, mutt and
fetchmail for some time. I'm very happy with this setup.

Theres one glitch though.

99% of my ham is in Swedish.
99% of my spam is in English.

Because of this I get quite a number of false negatives written in
Swedish and  false positives written in english.

Has this problem already been brought to your attention? I assume that
it affect many European users.

alex


-- 

Alex Polite
http://plusseven.com/gpg

From ballant at bnl.gov  Thu May 29 08:24:37 2003
From: ballant at bnl.gov (Ballantyne, Ian)
Date: Thu May 29 07:25:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] possible bug
Message-ID: <28A2E0D6A920954ABBF13AF712CEBDB6024584A9@exchange05.bnl.gov>

Using the latest binary for Windows 1.02a. If I select multiple messages in
the possible spam folder and drag to the spam folder, the statistics
displayed next to the "Train Now" button are not updated. I am unsure if the
database is actually updated. Doing each message separately does update the
statistics.

My OS is w2k sp3 with all patches and using Outlook 2000.

Other than that, is working great for me in the week that I have been using
it. Zero false positives for me and getting better with possible spam as
time goes on. Excellent piece of software.

Let me know if you need me to supply any more information.

Ian

  

From rcharbon at mitre.org  Thu May 29 08:58:52 2003
From: rcharbon at mitre.org (Ray Charbonneau)
Date: Thu May 29 07:59:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Documentation notes for IMAP
Message-ID: <003e01c325d9$ac8600e0$2d025381@MITRE.ORG>

The "about.html" files asks for documentation help, but doesn't supply
any contact info.  Anyhow...

It would be useful to remind IMAP users of two things:
-Be sure to purge your Inbox and Spam folders before training, so you
don't inadvertantly train on mail that you've moved out of the folders.
-The default ham folder is the local Inbox, not your IMAP Inbox.  You'll
have to select your IMAP Inbox before proceeding.

It would be a good design choice to show the entire folder path, rather
than just the folder "common name".  This would help avoid the second
issue.
--
Ray Charbonneau
R107 - Enterprise Desktop Solutions
The MITRE Corporation
 



From conway at pjm.com  Thu May 29 10:22:54 2003
From: conway at pjm.com (conway@pjm.com)
Date: Thu May 29 09:23:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Spambayes problem: it stopped working - com a
	d in is disabled ? won't let me re-enable...
Message-ID: <B55E0B20B761D41189680004AC930531082008E9@pjmnt35.pjm.com>

Matthew,

I had a similar problem.  Win2K, Outlook 2000, the add-in would not stay
"checked".  Reinstalling did not help.

Try this: Go into the com add-ins screen, remove the add-in (remember where it
is located), and then add it back in manually.   In my case, Outlook crashed,
but the add-in started working the next time I started Outlook. Since then, I've
also had Outlook start up and complain about the add-in affecting "stability",
but I'm able to tell Outlook to load it anyway, and it continues to work.

Good Luck!

Chuck Conway
conway@pjm.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Dickinson, Matthew [mailto:matthewd@cisco.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:23 AM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Spambayes problem: it stopped working - com ad in is
disabled ? won't let me re-enable...


PS: I'm running Windows 2000 Pro

-----Original Message-----
From: Dickinson, Matthew 
Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 2:16 PM
To: 'spambayes@python.org'
Subject: Spambayes problem: it stopped working - com ad in is disabled?
won't let me re-enable...


Hi,
 
Spambayes was working perfectly for me - it's the best spam filterer that
I've ever used!
 
So I've been very inundated with spam over the past week because it hasn't
been working...
 
I'm running the binary version.
 
About a week ago Outlook pretty much hung and was hanging the whole PC,
eventually it reported that an error had occured with an Add In (I'm
assuming Spambayes as I have no other adins) and that it would disable it...
so that it could start Outlook (it kept on crashing each time I tried to
start it until I did this)... So once Outlook was back up I went into the
com add in section and saw that it was there (just without the checkbox) so
I checked the box hit ok etc... but no icon's appeared on the menu and my
spam wasn't being filtered (ie it wasn't running)... so I went back to the
com ad in area and noticed that it was unchecked again... I tried checking
it again etc... and basically its as if it won't stay enabled... 
So I tried uninstalling it, then reinstalling it - same problem.
 
I even tried upgrading to Outlook 2002, then installing it - same problem
 
There is no log file generated from the session (the last log file says that
Spambayes was registered successfully)
 
Any ideas on how I can get it working?
 
Thanks
 
Matt

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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri May 30 01:04:39 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu May 29 10:05:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Documentation notes for IMAP
In-Reply-To: <003e01c325d9$ac8600e0$2d025381@MITRE.ORG>
Message-ID: <048201c325eb$3fa0f040$530f8490@eden>

> The "about.html" files asks for documentation help, but doesn't supply
> any contact info.  Anyhow...

The best thing to do would be to make any changes you feel necessary, and
open a bug (or patch) on SourceForge with the modified/new files.  Assign it
directly to me for Outlook changes.  Indeed, adding this tidbit would be a
good first start.  If you could do that, (a) I would really appreciate it,
and (b) it is more likely to actually happen :)

> It would be useful to remind IMAP users of two things:

If you could make such a change, it would be great.

> It would be a good design choice to show the entire folder
> path, rather
> than just the folder "common name".  This would help avoid the second
> issue.

Yes, but the design of the dialog doesn't really allow for that.  Sean has
given back some code making it easier for me to work on new dialogs - which
I hope to do after I get a new binary out.  Please open a bug at sourceforge
asking for the full folder path to be shown in the dialogs - again, that way
it wont rely on my fuzzy memory.

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri May 30 01:07:57 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu May 29 10:08:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] possible bug
In-Reply-To: <28A2E0D6A920954ABBF13AF712CEBDB6024584A9@exchange05.bnl.gov>
Message-ID: <048501c325eb$b551e010$530f8490@eden>

Thanks - that certainly does sound strange!  I have added
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=745518&group_id=617
02&atid=498103

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Ballantyne, Ian
> Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 9:25 PM
> To: 'SpamBayes@python.org'
> Subject: [Spambayes] possible bug
>
>
> Using the latest binary for Windows 1.02a. If I select
> multiple messages in
> the possible spam folder and drag to the spam folder, the statistics
> displayed next to the "Train Now" button are not updated. I
> am unsure if the
> database is actually updated. Doing each message separately
> does update the
> statistics.
>
> My OS is w2k sp3 with all patches and using Outlook 2000.
>
> Other than that, is working great for me in the week that I
> have been using
> it. Zero false positives for me and getting better with
> possible spam as
> time goes on. Excellent piece of software.
>
> Let me know if you need me to supply any more information.
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes


From joseph.warner at siemens.com  Thu May 29 09:39:22 2003
From: joseph.warner at siemens.com (joseph.warner@siemens.com)
Date: Thu May 29 10:41:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Install Error
Message-ID: <OF6DE2AE29.D316CFF1-ON87256D35.004FB9AA@smed.com>


Hi,

I'm running Windows 2000 SP3 & Outlook 2000 SP-3 and keep getting
the error:

C:\Program Files\Spambayes Outlook Addin\spambayes_addin.dll
Unable to register the DLL\OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; code 0x00000000.
Click Retry to try again, Ignore  to proceed anyway (not recommended), or
Abort to cancel the installation.

This has appeared in a couple of places in the archives and I found a
couple
bug reports were filed but the bug references seem to be in a "dupe" loop:

https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=740198&group_id=61702&atid=498103

If there's an existing resolution/fix, can someone help me find the correct
url?


 Thanks

-- Joe




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From parnold at CuraGen.com  Thu May 29 11:48:45 2003
From: parnold at CuraGen.com (Arnold, Paul)
Date: Thu May 29 10:48:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Install Error
Message-ID: <5A1D8FAF546576439E5E0BEE5E4E772AD02211@ENTERPRISEA.CURAGEN.COM>

1) You have to grant the user local admin rights.
2) go to http://office.microsoft.com/ProductUpdates and make sure you are up to the latest SP for Outlook.

After that, install SpamBayes again. If it fails again register the DLL manually with
(if you used the defaults)
regsvr32 "c:\Program Files\Spambayes Outlook Addin\spambayes_addin.dll"

HTH,
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: joseph.warner@siemens.com [mailto:joseph.warner@siemens.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:39 AM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Install Error



Hi,

I'm running Windows 2000 SP3 & Outlook 2000 SP-3 and keep getting
the error:

C:\Program Files\Spambayes Outlook Addin\spambayes_addin.dll
Unable to register the DLL\OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; code 0x00000000.
Click Retry to try again, Ignore  to proceed anyway (not recommended), or
Abort to cancel the installation.

This has appeared in a couple of places in the archives and I found a
couple
bug reports were filed but the bug references seem to be in a "dupe" loop:

https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=740198&group_id=61702&atid=498103

If there's an existing resolution/fix, can someone help me find the correct
url?


 Thanks

-- Joe




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From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 29 10:49:53 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu May 29 10:50:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] multiple languages
In-Reply-To: <20030529111420.GA584@matijek>
References: <20030529111420.GA584@matijek>
Message-ID: <16086.7697.994833.828282@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Alex> 99% of my ham is in Swedish.
    Alex> 99% of my spam is in English.

    Alex> Because of this I get quite a number of false negatives written in
    Alex> Swedish and false positives written in english.

I believe it's been discussed a bit here, though not recently.  In theory,
if you train on a sufficient number of Swedish spam and English ham it
should gather enough information to significantly reduce the FP/FN problem.
Since the preponderance of your ham is Swedish it's going to take fair bit
of Swedish spam to offset that.  For instance, in reality most of the words
in your Swedish emails (all the common stuff) shouldn't be considered hammy
or spammy, but since you get very little Swedish spam essentially every
Swedish word is considered hammy.  As you train on more and more Swedish
spam, the common Swedish words will become much less strong spam indicators,
leaving the uncommon words used in Swedish ham and Swedish spam as
classifiers.  The inverse will be true for English.

Let me see if I can demonstrate using words from my own database.
"information" is neither strongly hammy nor spammy:

    >>> db["saved state"]
    (5, 8165, 12315)            # 8165 spam, 12315 ham
    >>> db["information"]
    (1335, 1030)                # appears in 1335 spams, 1030 hams

while "viagra" clearly is spammy:

    >>> db["viagra"]
    (63, 2)

For you, "information" is probably a fairly spammy word (unless it's also a
Swedish word).

Essentially all the Spanish email I receive is spam, so common Spanish words
are relatively strong spam indicators for me:

    >>> db["todos"]
    (35, 0)
    >>> db["nosotros"]
    (5, 0)

Still, because I don't get very much Spanish spam, the raw numbers are
rather small.  This is what's happening to your English ham.  Almost all
common English words look spammy.

I'm not sure there's an easy way out of this.  If you've saved all your
training messages you can try deleting a bunch (maybe 75%) of the Swedish
ham and English spam from your database and retrain on the remaining
messages.  Then starting from that point, only train on the mistakes
(messages which are completely misclassified or wind up marked "unsure").
This probably won't improve things immediately, but it should make it easier
for Swedish spam or English ham to begin to tip the scales.

It would be quite helpful if you could try this (or other schemes) out and
let us know what - if anything - works for you.  As you pointed out, as
Spambayes gains more bilingual users this will probably become more of a
problem.  Having some semi-proven (or at least tried) techniques will be
helpful.

(I'm sure Tim Peters can state this all much more eloquently.  Perhaps he'll
step in and clear the air.)

Skip

From ja at sesi.org  Thu May 29 11:53:02 2003
From: ja at sesi.org (jay adam)
Date: Thu May 29 10:52:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express?
Message-ID: <006301c325f2$0143f4d0$1500a8c0@tecra8100>

Will there be an add-in for Outlook Express?


Jay Adam
From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Thu May 29 08:56:15 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Thu May 29 10:56:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] multiple languages 
In-Reply-To: Message from Alex Polite <m2@plusseven.com> 
	of "Thu, 29 May 2003 13:14:20 +0200." <20030529111420.GA584@matijek> 
References: <20030529111420.GA584@matijek> 
Message-ID: <20030529145615.7F3BC2DDC4@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <20030529111420.GA584@matijek>
             Alex Polite <m2@plusseven.com> writes:
>I've been using spambayes in conjuction with procmail, mutt and
>fetchmail for some time. I'm very happy with this setup.
>
>Theres one glitch though.
>
>99% of my ham is in Swedish.
>99% of my spam is in English.
>
>Because of this I get quite a number of false negatives written in
>Swedish and  false positives written in english.
>
>Has this problem already been brought to your attention? I assume that
>it affect many European users.

The problem was mentioned briefly in theory, but not really
actively discussed (to the best of my knowledge).  I think the
best way to handle it from the algorithm point of view is to
have three classifiers: one to distinguish Swedish from English,
then one each to distinguish ham from spam in each language.
This is may help the false conclusion rates... but at the cost
of much more complicated training and maintenance.

Actually, the more that I think about it, the less I like the
above suggestion.  It's got too much of a burden on the user
for maintaining multiple classification types... and a major
goal of spambayes is to make stuff simple.  Blah.

Heck, if the amount of ham/spam in each language is very out
of balance, the above trick might not help anyway, just due
to that imbalance.

Ugly.  Nasty problem.  Yuck.

- (another) Alex

From skip at pobox.com  Thu May 29 10:57:36 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu May 29 10:57:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express?
In-Reply-To: <006301c325f2$0143f4d0$1500a8c0@tecra8100>
References: <006301c325f2$0143f4d0$1500a8c0@tecra8100>
Message-ID: <16086.8160.900585.924609@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    jay> Will there be an add-in for Outlook Express?

Probably not.  See:

    http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#outlookexpress

Skip

From rfredericks at nssolutions.com  Thu May 29 12:09:35 2003
From: rfredericks at nssolutions.com (Rob Fredericks)
Date: Thu May 29 11:20:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug 725449
Message-ID: <000101c325f4$53cb82c0$8e01000a@nssolutions.com>

I'm experiencing the same behavior as this reported bug.  I read in the bug
file about what appears to be a workaround.  I have Win98 Se 4.10.2222 A and
Outlook 2000 Sr-1.  Is there a  workaround and how can I use it?

Thanks

Rob

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Network Storage Solutions, Inc.
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From francois.granger at free.fr  Thu May 29 18:34:39 2003
From: francois.granger at free.fr (Francois Granger)
Date: Thu May 29 11:34:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] multiple languages
Message-ID: <a05200f6dbafbd8d5eb30@[192.168.1.20]>

(Sorry, mis handling of the To: field of this liste !)


At 09:49 -0500 on 29/05/2003, in message Re: [Spambayes] multiple 
languages, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>     Alex> 99% of my ham is in Swedish.
>     Alex> 99% of my spam is in English.
>
>     Alex> Because of this I get quite a number of false negatives written in
>     Alex> Swedish and false positives written in english.
>
>I believe it's been discussed a bit here, though not recently.

I raised the issue here long time ago and did not got a really good 
answer from Tim.

>I'm not sure there's an easy way out of this.  If you've saved all your
>training messages you can try deleting a bunch (maybe 75%) of the Swedish
>ham and English spam from your database and retrain on the remaining
>messages.  Then starting from that point, only train on the mistakes
>(messages which are completely misclassified or wind up marked "unsure").
>This probably won't improve things immediately, but it should make it easier
>for Swedish spam or English ham to begin to tip the scales.

I am french. I get a similar problem as stated here. I get some 
occasional spanish and portuguese spam in addition. I am using the 
Pop3proxy version.
I have been using various versions of SpamBayes since Sept 2002.

My current database was created on 1 Feb 2003. I trained on some 
(100) messages to start with, then trained mostly on unsure and mis 
classified. I kept an eye to the balance of ham/spam as well as 
trying to put some english ham in the training set when I trained on 
english unsure as spam. and the same for the other combination. I 
have now trained on Spam: 639  Ham: 486.

The success rate is astonishing since a long time. I get only few 
unsure and no mis calssified messages in either language.



-- 
Hofstadter's Law :
It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into 
account Hofstadter's Law.

From joseph.warner at siemens.com  Thu May 29 11:33:06 2003
From: joseph.warner at siemens.com (joseph.warner@siemens.com)
Date: Thu May 29 12:34:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Spambayes Install Error
Message-ID: <OFA02A282D.FFF08975-ON87256D35.005A45E2@smed.com>


>1) You have to grant the user local admin rights.

<nods> That was the problem, though my account had administrative rights I
still
had to sign on with the admin account, run the install, logout, login with
my account
and rerun the install.  After doing that the "Anti-Spam dropdown button"
appeared
in my Outlook toolbar and I was able to configure it.

Thanks for your help and very quick response!

-- Joe






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Hi,

I'm running Windows 2000 SP3 & Outlook 2000 SP-3 and keep getting
the error:

C:\Program Files\Spambayes Outlook Addin\spambayes_addin.dll
Unable to register the DLL\OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; code 0x00000000.
Click Retry to try again, Ignore  to proceed anyway (not recommended), or
Abort to cancel the installation.

This has appeared in a couple of places in the archives and I found a
couple
bug reports were filed but the bug references seem to be in a "dupe" loop:

https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=740198&group_id=61702&atid=498103

If there's an existing resolution/fix, can someone help me find the correct
url?


 Thanks

-- Joe





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From bill at parducci.net  Thu May 29 10:41:29 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Thu May 29 12:41:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] website/list suggestion
References: <006301c325f2$0143f4d0$1500a8c0@tecra8100>
	<16086.8160.900585.924609@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <3ED63839.30404@parducci.net>

wondering if the 'Email Us' link on left hand nav bar would be more 
effective if it were named 'Contact Us' and it linked to a page that had 
the new mailing lists? in addition to showing each of the lists and the 
corresponding purpose descriptors, it could be laden with the usual 
directions to 'read the docs, think hard and consult psychics before 
posting a question' kinda stuff.

something like the attached for example...

b

Skip   wrote:

> Probably not.  See:
> 
>     http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#outlookexpress
> 
From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Thu May 29 15:09:08 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Thu May 29 14:09:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Pop3proxy and mime
Message-ID: <3ED64CC4.1010207@videotron.ca>

Hi Alex,

In bug


    [ 737967 ] Malformed messages break pop3proxy (et al)


You were saying that the problem was due to the malformed mime part.

Do you know what is malformed ?

Because now I can't use SB since I'm receiving virus  (many time the 
same mail) that cause pop3proxy to hang.

I might try to solve the problem if I know where to look.


Remi

P.S. Do you know how to send only one message to pop3proxy so I can test 
it on the command line ?


From tim.one at comcast.net  Thu May 29 15:22:50 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu May 29 14:28:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] multiple languages
In-Reply-To: <16086.7697.994833.828282@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHMEGDFMAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Skip Montanaro]
> ...
> (I'm sure Tim Peters can state this all much more eloquently. Perhaps
> he'll step in and clear the air.)

Nope!  It's a statistical classifier with no semantic knowledge, and you
already explained the consequences of that.  We did no research on
non-English languages here, or on mixtures, and nobody has volunteered work
in those areas (although people whose primary language isn't English have
tested and used it, and most seem to be happy despite our benign neglect).

When I get a msg in, e.g., Polish, I instantly think "hey, that must be
spam!".  So does spambayes.  Even if it *were* ham, spambayes would have no
way to know that, because I don't know that, and so I've never trained any
Polish msg as ham.  It only knows what you tell it, which is sometimes even
less than you know <wink>.


From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Thu May 29 12:43:27 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Thu May 29 14:43:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Pop3proxy and mime 
In-Reply-To: Message from papaDoc <papaDoc@videotron.ca> 
	of "Thu, 29 May 2003 14:09:08 EDT." <3ED64CC4.1010207@videotron.ca> 
References: <3ED64CC4.1010207@videotron.ca> 
Message-ID: <20030529184327.64E3A2DDC4@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <3ED64CC4.1010207@videotron.ca>
             papaDoc <papaDoc@videotron.ca> writes:
>Hi Alex,
>
>In bug
>
>
>    [ 737967 ] Malformed messages break pop3proxy (et al)
>
>
>You were saying that the problem was due to the malformed mime part.
>
>Do you know what is malformed ?

The way I got it to break was by having a mime section where either
there were no headers and no blank line before the section body, or
there were headers and there was no blank line between the headers
and the body.

>Because now I can't use SB since I'm receiving virus  (many time the 
>same mail) that cause pop3proxy to hang.
>
>I might try to solve the problem if I know where to look.
>
>
>Remi
>
>P.S. Do you know how to send only one message to pop3proxy so I can test 
>it on the command line ?

The only easy way I can think of offhand is to create a new mailbox
and send only one mail message to it.

- Alex

From mrhodes at dc.com  Thu May 29 16:26:35 2003
From: mrhodes at dc.com (Rhodes, Michael E (US - North Canton))
Date: Thu May 29 15:30:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Tested on Outlook 2002 with Win2k
Message-ID: <6FA22478F39C3640910C711FCDBD2BCA481C3E@amew2exmb06.global.braxton.com>

FYI,

I attempted to install SpamBayes and got the following error.  This was
a configuration that http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
reported as "Unknown".  Per your request, I've sent the details of the
error and config.

 <<Picture (Metafile)>> 

OS: Win2000 5.00.2195 Service Pack 2
Client: Outlook 2002 (10.2627.2625)
Installer: Binary - SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-002.exe

BTW, sweet concept and product!  I *am* using it on my personal, home
PC.

Regards,
Michael Rhodes
Deloitte Consulting | North Canton
Voice 330.490.5412
Fax 330.490.5420
Email mrhodes@dc.com






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From parnold at CuraGen.com  Thu May 29 16:54:07 2003
From: parnold at CuraGen.com (Arnold, Paul)
Date: Thu May 29 15:54:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Tested on Outlook 2002 with Win2k
Message-ID: <5A1D8FAF546576439E5E0BEE5E4E772AD02216@ENTERPRISEA.CURAGEN.COM>

You probably do not have local admin rights on the account you are installing with.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes, Michael E (US - North Canton) [mailto:mrhodes@dc.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:27 PM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Tested on Outlook 2002 with Win2k


FYI,

I attempted to install SpamBayes and got the following error.  This was
a configuration that http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
reported as "Unknown".  Per your request, I've sent the details of the
error and config.

 <<Picture (Metafile)>> 

OS: Win2000 5.00.2195 Service Pack 2
Client: Outlook 2002 (10.2627.2625)
Installer: Binary - SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-002.exe

BTW, sweet concept and product!  I *am* using it on my personal, home
PC.

Regards,
Michael Rhodes
Deloitte Consulting | North Canton
Voice 330.490.5412
Fax 330.490.5420
Email mrhodes@dc.com






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From zander at zan.com  Thu May 29 13:56:40 2003
From: zander at zan.com (Zander)
Date: Thu May 29 15:56:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Spambayes Digest, Vol 57, Issue 101
References: <E19LT6X-0005L7-01@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <00e801c3261c$6f36ada0$a100a8c0@zlichstein>

> >Because now I can't use SB since I'm receiving virus  (many time the
> >same mail) that cause pop3proxy to hang.
> >
> >I might try to solve the problem if I know where to look.
> >
> >
> >Remi

The problem is definitely that there are no exception handlers around the
lines:

        prs._parseheaders(self, fp)

and

        prs._parsebody(self, fp)

But I'm just not sure how to pass a "skip this message" back up the chain
properly...

- Z


From mrhodes at dc.com  Thu May 29 17:05:19 2003
From: mrhodes at dc.com (Rhodes, Michael E (US - North Canton))
Date: Thu May 29 16:06:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Tested on Outlook 2002 with Win2k
Message-ID: <6FA22478F39C3640910C711FCDBD2BCA481C3F@amew2exmb06.global.braxton.com>

I've double-checked and I am in the Administrators group.  Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Arnold, Paul [mailto:parnold@CuraGen.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:54 PM
To: Rhodes, Michael E (US - North Canton); spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Tested on Outlook 2002 with Win2k


You probably do not have local admin rights on the account you are
installing with.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes, Michael E (US - North Canton) [mailto:mrhodes@dc.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:27 PM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Tested on Outlook 2002 with Win2k


FYI,

I attempted to install SpamBayes and got the following error.  This was
a configuration that http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
reported as "Unknown".  Per your request, I've sent the details of the
error and config.

 <<Picture (Metafile)>> 

OS: Win2000 5.00.2195 Service Pack 2
Client: Outlook 2002 (10.2627.2625)
Installer: Binary - SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-002.exe

BTW, sweet concept and product!  I *am* using it on my personal, home
PC.

Regards,
Michael Rhodes
Deloitte Consulting | North Canton
Voice 330.490.5412
Fax 330.490.5420
Email mrhodes@dc.com






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From mrhodes at dc.com  Thu May 29 17:07:36 2003
From: mrhodes at dc.com (Rhodes, Michael E (US - North Canton))
Date: Thu May 29 16:08:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Tested on Outlook 2002 with Win2k
Message-ID: <6FA22478F39C3640910C711FCDBD2BCA481C41@amew2exmb06.global.braxton.com>

FYI, I attempted this again but to my c: drive instead of d: and it
worked.  No other changes to the install parms or my system were made.
Thanks again!

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes, Michael E (US - North Canton) 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:04 PM
To: 'Arnold, Paul'; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Tested on Outlook 2002 with Win2k


I've double-checked and I am in the Administrators group.  Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Arnold, Paul [mailto:parnold@CuraGen.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:54 PM
To: Rhodes, Michael E (US - North Canton); spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Tested on Outlook 2002 with Win2k


You probably do not have local admin rights on the account you are
installing with.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes, Michael E (US - North Canton) [mailto:mrhodes@dc.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:27 PM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Tested on Outlook 2002 with Win2k


FYI,

I attempted to install SpamBayes and got the following error.  This was
a configuration that http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
reported as "Unknown".  Per your request, I've sent the details of the
error and config.

 <<Picture (Metafile)>> 

OS: Win2000 5.00.2195 Service Pack 2
Client: Outlook 2002 (10.2627.2625)
Installer: Binary - SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-002.exe

BTW, sweet concept and product!  I *am* using it on my personal, home
PC.

Regards,
Michael Rhodes
Deloitte Consulting | North Canton
Voice 330.490.5412
Fax 330.490.5420
Email mrhodes@dc.com






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From prabhu at aero.iitm.ernet.in  Fri May 30 03:45:36 2003
From: prabhu at aero.iitm.ernet.in (Prabhu Ramachandran)
Date: Thu May 29 17:16:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie experiences (Emacs + VM) and questions.
Message-ID: <16086.30840.634464.946319@monster.linux.in>

Hi,

I use XEmacs and VM as my mailer.  I installed Spambayes-1.0a2 a few
days back and bungled my way getting things working to my
satisfaction.  Everything seems to work great now and I'm really happy
with the results.  Many thanks for the software!

The instructions for VM users in INTEGRATION.txt didn't cover all I
wanted.  I first tried the pop3proxy and liked the web interface.
However I did not like a few things (personal preference):

  1. All my incoming mails are cached.  How many days are these
  messages cached for?  I read somewhere that it was 7 days, is that
  right and is this configurable?

  2. Reviewing messages proved to be a little bit of a pain since it
  required the browser and an extra set of things to be done.  I
  preferred a solution from within the mailer.

BTW can the proxy be configured so that all reviewed messages are
deleted?


I then adapted the instructions and code from the contrib directory to
work with VM directly.  Here are instructions for future VM users.

  0. Collect a few hundred HAM and SPAM messages each for a while and
  then do this:

    /usr/local/bin/hammie.py -d -p ~/vmmail/hammie.db -g HAM -s SPAM

  I guess this is optional since Spambayes will anyway be retrained
  later.

  1. Create a ~/.spambayesrc that looks like this:
 
    [Categorization]
    ham_cutoff: 0.2
    spam_cutoff: 0.90

    [hammiefilter]
    hammiefilter_persistent_storage_file: ~/vmmail/hammie.db
 
  2. Create a .procmailrc like so:

    :0fw:
    | /usr/local/bin/hammiefilter.py -d $HOME/vmmail/hammie.db -t

  The -d $HOME/vmmail/hammie.db is unnecessary I guess but safe.

  3. Add the following to your .vm (adapted from
  contrib/spambayes.el):

;;;;;;;; .vm ;;;;;;;;;;;
(defvar spambayes-hammiefilter "/usr/local/bin/hammiefilter.py"
  "Path to the hammiefilter.py program")

(defun spambayes-retrain (is-spam)
  "Retrain on all processable articles, or the one under the cursor.

is-spam is a boolean--true if you want to retrain the message as spam,
false if you want to retrain as ham.
"
  (interactive)
  (message (concat "Retraining" (if is-spam " as SPAM" " as HAM") " ..."))
  (vm-pipe-message-to-command 
   (concat spambayes-hammiefilter (if is-spam " -s" " -g") " -f") nil)
  (message (concat "Done retraining messages" 
                   (if is-spam " as SPAM" " as HAM") ".") )
)

(defun spambayes-retrain-as-spam ()
  "Retrain and refilter messages as spam, them"
  (interactive)
  (spambayes-retrain 't)
)

(defun spambayes-retrain-as-ham ()
  "Retrain and refilter messages as ham"
  (interactive)
  (spambayes-retrain nil)
)

(define-key vm-mode-map "ls" 'spambayes-retrain-as-spam)
(define-key vm-summary-mode-map "ls" 'spambayes-retrain-as-spam)
(define-key vm-mode-map "lh" 'spambayes-retrain-as-ham)
(define-key vm-summary-mode-map "lh" 'spambayes-retrain-as-ham)

(setq vm-auto-folder-alist
      '(("X-Spambayes-Classification:" ("spam" . "~/vmmail/SPAM"))
        ("X-Spambayes-Classification:" ("unsure" . "~/vmmail/UNSURE"))
        )
)
;;;;;;;; .vm ;;;;;;;;;;;


Thats it.  Now, any false positives or negetives are simply retrained
using "ls" or "lh".  The commands also work with marked messages.

Of course, I might be doing something wrong here so please correct me
if I am wrong.  Please also feel free to use this in part of the
documentation for Spambayes.

A few more questions/feature requests/whatnot:

  1. Is the approach I use above a decent approach, i.e. training
  messages as they are received and then correcting errors using
  retraining.  It works fairly well for me but I've not tested it for
  very long.

  2. Is it a good idea to train on every incoming message or are there
  better approaches?

  3. At the moment I receive more HAM than SPAM.  Does this matter or
  make no difference?

  4. I see that some folks retrain the whole database every so often.
  Is this necessary?  If so why?

  5. It would be nice if hammie.py would retrain on any messages that
  had an X-Spambayes-Trained header i.e. if Hammie.train(...) would
  check for the header and if found retrain.  If this is intentionally
  not done it needs to be documented somewhere.  Its a little
  confusing (for a newbie) if there are different scripts with similar
  options. :)

I understand that many things are still being experimented on but it
would be nice to have a few rules of thumb with respect to some of the
questions I've asked for new users.

Thanks again for the excellent software!

cheers,
prabhu

From jwillett at afgweb.com  Thu May 29 16:12:22 2003
From: jwillett at afgweb.com (Jerry Willett)
Date: Thu May 29 18:13:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Software
Message-ID: <D0FF0FA6089BC245B5D4152CF07876155E36@exchange2.afgweb.com>

I've only been using your software for one day and it seems to have nailed
all of my spam right away.  You've done a fabulous job with this.  Had one
question.  After the software has been trained on all the messages in the
Spam folder, is it ok to delete the contents of that folder each day?
Thanks again for great product.

Jerry Willett
Chief Technology Officer
Associated Financial Group
jwillett@afgweb.com


From bill at parducci.net  Thu May 29 17:04:56 2003
From: bill at parducci.net (bill parducci)
Date: Thu May 29 19:11:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Software
References: <D0FF0FA6089BC245B5D4152CF07876155E36@exchange2.afgweb.com>
Message-ID: <3ED69218.3000607@parducci.net>

> I've only been using your software for one day and it seems to have nailed
> all of my spam right away.  You've done a fabulous job with this.  Had one
> question.  After the software has been trained on all the messages in the
> Spam folder, is it ok to delete the contents of that folder each day?
> Thanks again for great product.

once a message has been [correctly] trained there is no need to keep it 
around. however, spambayes' accuracy is dependent upon having a 
'sufficient' sample from which to make its decisions. therefore, most 
users retain a fair amount of spam in the event that they may wish to 
rebuild the corpus from scratch.

of course, this begs the question: 'how much is enough?' that is where 
the 'art' of spambayes meets the science :) personally, i keep a couple 
thousand spam--two month's worth--as well as a similar number of ham. 
that is not to say that you won't have excellent results with a tenth 
(or less) of that number; since everyone's e-mail profile is different, 
the requirements for training are as well.

b


From Greg_Thompson at jdedwards.com  Thu May 29 18:48:59 2003
From: Greg_Thompson at jdedwards.com (Thompson, Greg)
Date: Thu May 29 19:49:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Addin will not load
Message-ID: <20BAE62F0232D249A4A3B65440244B971AD9A0@denmails2.jdedwards.com>

I have been using spambayes successfully for a while now and it rocks.
Unfortunately I installed something today that broke it. The addin will
no longer start. I am running Outlook 2002 SP2 on XP w/SP1. I followed
the troubleshooting guide and noticed that the COM addin was not
checked. I tried to check the box, exit Outlook but still no go. If I
examine the Com addin box again it is unchecked. I tried to reinstall
spambayes, just cause I could,  but still no go. The spambayes log has a
single entry that says: Registered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin. Any help you
can provide to get me back online would be greatly appreciated.

Greg Thompson

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Fri May 30 10:57:45 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu May 29 19:59:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Addin will not load
In-Reply-To: <20BAE62F0232D249A4A3B65440244B971AD9A0@denmails2.jdedwards.com>
Message-ID: <061a01c3263e$19f350b0$530f8490@eden>

> I have been using spambayes successfully for a while now and it rocks.
> Unfortunately I installed something today that broke it. The 
> addin will
> no longer start. I am running Outlook 2002 SP2 on XP w/SP1. I followed
> the troubleshooting guide and noticed that the COM addin was not
> checked. I tried to check the box, exit Outlook but still no go. If I
> examine the Com addin box again it is unchecked. I tried to reinstall
> spambayes, just cause I could,  but still no go. The 
> spambayes log has a
> single entry that says: Registered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin. 
> Any help you
> can provide to get me back online would be greatly appreciated.

You are not alone :(  Just yesterday, a google search found this tidbit
related to Outlook 2002:

--
Outlook 2002 has probably disabled SpamBayes. Just do the following to get
it back: Start Outlook, go to Help, About Microsoft Outlook. Click the
Disabled Items button. Select SpamBayes. Click Enable. Restart Outlook 2002.
--

(It didn't say SpamBayes before though :)  I have no idea if this will solve
your problem, or indeed if it even makes any sense.  Please let us know
either way.

Thanks,

Mark.
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From gward at python.net  Thu May 29 21:48:13 2003
From: gward at python.net (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu May 29 20:48:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes for python.org
Message-ID: <20030530004813.GA28375@cthulhu.gerg.ca>

Hi all -- after months of procrastinating, I'm finally starting to think
about how to protect python.org's mail server with spambayes.  From
poking around the archive, I see I'm not the first to think about
server-side spambayes, handling many recipient addresses at SMTP time.
But it also looks like not much code exists.

(Actually, a bit of code exists, and I wrote it: I've been using
spambayes for my gward@python.net address, running at SMTP time on the
python.net mail server, for several weeks now, and it works like a
champ.  But it's only handling one recipient address -- mine -- now.)

Right now, my training corpus consists of all non-personal mail received
by mail.python.org from 2002-09-11 to 2002-09-18 and 2002-10-19 to
2002-10-24.  (Yes, I'm going to start another harvesting run to bring
the corpus more up-to-date.)  Anyways, there are around 15700 messages
all told: 2709 bounces (a subset of ham), 6614 ham, 4736 spam, and 1632
viruses (which I'm going to leave out).

That sounds like a big enough corpus, but when I break it up by
recipient address, it's not so hot.  There are several hundred distinct
addresses; my first approach to slimming things down was to combine all
Mailman "*-admin" addresses into LISTS-admin, "*-request" into
LISTS-request, etc.  Now I have 134 recipients or recipient combinations
to worry about, ie. 134 distinct training corpi, and most of them don't
have very many messages.  Here's a subset; first number is spam count,
second is ham count (including bounces):

  patches@python.org                          37    86
  peps@python.org                              2     1
  persistence-sig@python.org                   2     7
  postmaster@python.org                        0    80
  psc@python.org                               3     0
  psf-board@python.org                         0    12
  psf-members@python.org                       1    15
  psf@python.org                              63     2
  psf-webmasters@python.org                   29     0
  pydotorg@python.org                          6    32
  python-announce-list@python.org              9     6
  python-announce@python.org                 123    25

So, given enough time, I could probably assemble a decent training
corpus for patches@python.org or python-announce@python.org.  (Hmmm, I
guess if I trained on the psf-webmasters@python.org collection,
spambayes would conclude that 100% of mail for that address is spam --
how sad!)  But there are a lot of addresses that just don't get enough
mail to build a meaningful corpus.

I'm pretty sure part of the solution is to combine the smaller training
corpuses.  Common sense dictates that topically similar addresses should
be combined, but that's a judgment call that only human eyeballs and
grey matter can make.

What I'm wondering about is when to stop, ie. when is a training corpus
"big enough"?  Does anyone have a feel for that?  ISTR some research
into this many months ago, but I haven't followed this list in about six
months, so I'm out of date.  And what about the spam:ham ratio in a
training corpus -- should it reflect reality, or is a fixed ratio (1:1,
37:22, whatever) better?  Actual experience would be great, but even
vague hand-wavey speculative explanations are welcome.

Thanks!

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward <gward@python.net>                         http://www.gerg.ca/
The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better" -- so I installed Linux!

From matthewd at cisco.com  Fri May 30 11:48:08 2003
From: matthewd at cisco.com (Dickinson, Matthew)
Date: Thu May 29 20:48:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem: it stopped working - com ad in
	isdisabled? wo n't let me re-enable...
Message-ID: <11D2868F916DD411982D00508B694F431E70B9D6@syd-xch2.cisco.com>

Awesome that worked!
 
Thanks heaps :-)
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au] 
Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 4:54 PM
To: 'Dickinson, Matthew'
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem: it stopped working - com ad in
isdisabled? wo n't let me re-enable...


A quick google found the following for Outlook 2002:
 
 Outlook 2002 has probably disabled Outclass. Just do the following to get
it back: Start Outlook, go to Help, About Microsoft Outlook. Click the
Disabled Items button. Select SpamBayes. Click Enable. Restart Outlook 2002.
 
Please let me know if that works or not (or even makes sense :)
 
Mark.
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dickinson, Matthew [mailto:matthewd@cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 4:08 PM
To: Mark Hammond
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem: it stopped working - com ad in
isdisabled? wo n't let me re-enable...


I've got a feeling it's a setting in Outlook that was changed when it was
having problems loading... do you know of any "disable all ad-ins" area
anywhere in outlook, or something else that would have that effect?

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au] 
Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 3:58 PM
To: 'Dickinson, Matthew'
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem: it stopped working - com ad in
isdisabled? wo n't let me re-enable...


I am afraid I have no idea.  My only suggestion is to run the source code
version - info is available on the main spambayes pages about that.
 
Mark.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dickinson, Matthew [mailto:matthewd@cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 3:49 PM
To: Mark Hammond
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem: it stopped working - com ad in
isdisabled? wo n't let me re-enable...


Hi, thanks for responding so quickly!
 
My temp folder is there... I tried deleting all the Spambayes log files...
 
Then I re registered the dll...
This is what was in the new log file:
 
Registered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin 
 
I started up outlook, still no spambayes... same problem as before... I've
attached a screen shot so you can see whats happening... when I check that
box and hit ok, it goes back to outlook... when I go back in it's unchecked!
 
Any other ideas?
 
Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au
<mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au> ]
Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 2:33 PM
To: 'Dickinson, Matthew'; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem: it stopped working - com ad in
isdisabled? wo n't let me re-enable...


Unfortunately, I have no idea what could cause this.  Certainly,
re-installing the addin should work, and it should at least generate a log
with the failure reason in this case.

You could try running "regsvr32 SpamBayesAddin.dll" (or whatever it was I
named that DLL ;) - hopefully you will get a "success" message.  Then try
re-starting Outlook and check for a log.

About the only thing I can think of is that SpamBayes is failing when
*creating* the log file - hence we see no errors.  The only way I can see
that happening is if your Windows temp directory doesn't exist - and I
imagine much more than SpamBayes would get upset in that situation.  Another
option would be that the log files are somehow read-only - can you try
deleting all old log files first?

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org <mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org>
]On Behalf Of Dickinson, Matthew
> Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 2:16 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem: it stopped working - com ad in
> isdisabled? wo n't let me re-enable...
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Spambayes was working perfectly for me - it's the best spam filterer
> that I've ever used!
>
> So I've been very inundated with spam over the past week because it
> hasn't been working...
>
> I'm running the binary version.
>
> About a week ago Outlook pretty much hung and was hanging the whole
> PC, eventually it reported that an error had occured with an Add In
> (I'm assuming Spambayes as I have no other adins) and that it
> would disable it...
> so that it could start Outlook (it kept on crashing each time
> I tried to
> start it until I did this)... So once Outlook was back up I
> went into the
> com add in section and saw that it was there (just without
> the checkbox) so
> I checked the box hit ok etc... but no icon's appeared on the
> menu and my
> spam wasn't being filtered (ie it wasn't running)... so I
> went back to the
> com ad in area and noticed that it was unchecked again... I
> tried checking
> it again etc... and basically its as if it won't stay enabled...
> So I tried uninstalling it, then reinstalling it - same problem.
>
> I even tried upgrading to Outlook 2002, then installing it - same
> problem
>
> There is no log file generated from the session (the last log file
> says that Spambayes was registered successfully)
>
> Any ideas on how I can get it working?
>
> Thanks
>
> Matt
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes> 
>


From tim.one at comcast.net  Thu May 29 22:11:06 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu May 29 21:13:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes for python.org
In-Reply-To: <20030530004813.GA28375@cthulhu.gerg.ca>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEDEEIAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Greg Ward]
> Hi all -- after months of procrastinating, I'm finally starting to
> think about how to protect python.org's mail server with spambayes.

Cool!

> ...
> So, given enough time, I could probably assemble a decent training
> corpus for patches@python.org or python-announce@python.org.  (Hmmm, I
> guess if I trained on the psf-webmasters@python.org collection,
> spambayes would conclude that 100% of mail for that address is spam --
> how sad!)  But there are a lot of addresses that just don't get enough
> mail to build a meaningful corpus.

In the tests we ran before, I didn't try to segregate recipients at all.  So
long as personal email is left out of the mix, I think it's fine to lump
*all* the lists together.  Note that the *-request addresses accounted for
almost all of the few false positives, though, due to crap like one-word
"unsubscribe" followed by 20KB of HTML employer-generated Portuguese
disclaimer nonsense.

> ...
> What I'm wondering about is when to stop, ie. when is a training
> corpus "big enough"?  Does anyone have a feel for that?

Quantify the error rates you're willing to accept.  That's the only way to
get a meaningful answer.  Note that unlike my dict-based tests, there's now
a good way to use a Berkeley database, so the memory burden should be a
fraction of what it was when I ran python.org tests (and the memory burden
even then seemed quite livable).

> ISTR some research into this many months ago, but I haven't followed
> this list in about six months, so I'm out of date.  And what about the
> spam:ham ratio in a training corpus -- should it reflect reality, or is
> a fixed ratio (1:1, 37:22, whatever) better?  Actual experience would
> be great, but even vague hand-wavey speculative explanations are
> welcome.

My belief is that a 1:1 ratio works best with the current code, regardless
of the real-life ratio.  I also recommend these non-default options for
python.org use, with possible exceptions noted later:

"""
[Tokenizer]
replace_nonascii_chars: True
record_header_absence: True
address_headers: from to cc sender reply-to

[Classifier]
experimental_ham_spam_imbalance_adjustment: True
"""

If python.org is carrying any lists with predominantly non-English traffic,
I'd advise segragating those, and leaving replace_nonascii_chars out of its
options.  experimental_ham_spam_imbalance_adjustment has no effect if the
spam:ham training ratio is 1:1, so I recommend setting it True because it
won't stay in balance.  If you have any questions, ask Barry <wink>.


From gward at python.net  Thu May 29 22:31:57 2003
From: gward at python.net (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu May 29 21:32:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes for python.org
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEDEEIAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <20030530004813.GA28375@cthulhu.gerg.ca>
	<LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEDEEIAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20030530013157.GC28065@cthulhu.gerg.ca>

On 29 May 2003, Tim Peters said:
> In the tests we ran before, I didn't try to segregate recipients at all.  So
> long as personal email is left out of the mix, I think it's fine to lump
> *all* the lists together.  Note that the *-request addresses accounted for
> almost all of the few false positives, though, due to crap like one-word
> "unsubscribe" followed by 20KB of HTML employer-generated Portuguese
> disclaimer nonsense.

Shortly before leaving my job at the MEMS Exchange, I replaced
SpamAssassin on the mail server with Spambayes [1], and I took a chance
on using a single corpus for the whole organization -- a dozen people
and 3 or 4 mailing lists.  It was pretty painful for the first few days,
with >50% FP rate.  (My initial corpus was a bunch of my spam, some
stuff sent by clueless users to our webmaster address, and a healthy
chunk of our one big, high-profile mailing list.)  After some frantic
retraining on real mail, things settled down and after a week or so,
spambayes was pretty good -- noticeably better than SpamAssassin, but
still hardly perfect.

As I mentioned, I've also set SB up on my python.net address, where the
corpus is my mail and only my mail.  (And a large chunk of the corpus
[maybe all of it, can't remember] was captured by the python.net SMTP
server, so is very very close to what spambayes is being asked to
evaluate day-by-day.)  In this scenario, especially after a retraining
session one month in, spambayes operates with terrifying laser-like
precision.  It's so good it's spooky.

On python.org, I'd like to see something closer to "terrifying
laser-like precision" than "pretty good", so I'm willing to go to the
trouble of building and maintaining multiple training corpi.  But not
134 of them!  (Especially not at 1-10 MB each.)

Well, I'm still in playing-around mode.  Will write back when I have
interesting numbers or more meaningful questions.  Thanks!

        Greg

[1] thereby taking the Barry Warsaw approach to mail/web server
maintenance -- do everything after 5pm on a Friday just before going on
vacation -- to its logical extreme.  ;-)

-- 
Greg Ward <gward@python.net>                         http://www.gerg.ca/
In order to understand recursion, you really have to understand recursion.

From tim.one at comcast.net  Thu May 29 22:58:42 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu May 29 22:00:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes for python.org
In-Reply-To: <20030530013157.GC28065@cthulhu.gerg.ca>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEDHEIAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Greg Ward]
> Shortly before leaving my job at the MEMS Exchange, I replaced
> SpamAssassin on the mail server with Spambayes [1], and I took a
> chance on using a single corpus for the whole organization -- a dozen
> people and 3 or 4 mailing lists.  It was pretty painful for the first
> few days, with >50% FP rate.  (My initial corpus was a bunch of my
> spam, some stuff sent by clueless users to our webmaster address, and
> a healthy chunk of our one big, high-profile mailing list.)  After
> some frantic retraining on real mail, things settled down and after a
> week or so, spambayes was pretty good -- noticeably better than
> SpamAssassin, but still hardly perfect.

As I said, you have to leave personal email out of it.  The tests we ran
before excluded personal email carried by python.org, and did great.

> As I mentioned, I've also set SB up on my python.net address, where
> the corpus is my mail and only my mail.  (And a large chunk of the
> corpus [maybe all of it, can't remember] was captured by the
> python.net SMTP server, so is very very close to what spambayes is
> being asked to evaluate day-by-day.)  In this scenario, especially
> after a retraining session one month in, spambayes operates with
> terrifying laser-like precision.  It's so good it's spooky.

OK, you can leave *your* personal email in the mix, but for the love of God
don't put Barry's in there too <wink>.

> On python.org, I'd like to see something closer to "terrifying
> laser-like precision" than "pretty good", so I'm willing to go to the
> trouble of building and maintaining multiple training corpi.  But not
> 134 of them!  (Especially not at 1-10 MB each.)

We ran tests before on python.org mailing-list traffic lumped into one big
ball.  The software is even better now.

> Well, I'm still in playing-around mode.  Will write back when I have
> interesting numbers or more meaningful questions.  Thanks!

You're welcome.  Now believe the data and stop trying to out-think it.


From joe at swelltech.com  Thu May 29 22:39:44 2003
From: joe at swelltech.com (Joe Cooper)
Date: Thu May 29 22:39:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes for python.org
In-Reply-To: <20030530013157.GC28065@cthulhu.gerg.ca>
References: <20030530004813.GA28375@cthulhu.gerg.ca>	<LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEDEEIAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
	<20030530013157.GC28065@cthulhu.gerg.ca>
Message-ID: <3ED6C470.4020304@swelltech.com>

Greg Ward wrote:
> On 29 May 2003, Tim Peters said:
> 
>>In the tests we ran before, I didn't try to segregate recipients at all.  So
>>long as personal email is left out of the mix, I think it's fine to lump
>>*all* the lists together.  Note that the *-request addresses accounted for
>>almost all of the few false positives, though, due to crap like one-word
>>"unsubscribe" followed by 20KB of HTML employer-generated Portuguese
>>disclaimer nonsense.
> 
> 
> Shortly before leaving my job at the MEMS Exchange, I replaced
> SpamAssassin on the mail server with Spambayes [1], and I took a chance
> on using a single corpus for the whole organization -- a dozen people
> and 3 or 4 mailing lists.  It was pretty painful for the first few days,
> with >50% FP rate.  (My initial corpus was a bunch of my spam, some
> stuff sent by clueless users to our webmaster address, and a healthy
> chunk of our one big, high-profile mailing list.)  After some frantic
> retraining on real mail, things settled down and after a week or so,
> spambayes was pretty good -- noticeably better than SpamAssassin, but
> still hardly perfect.

As an added data point, I've installed it on the SciPy mailing lists 
about 10 days ago, using a corpus that I built from my own mailbox, old 
legitimate SciPy traffic, and a big box of ~2000 spams that I've 
received over the past year.  So far it has had zero false positives, 
and a couple of false negatives.  The effectiveness is about 75%, 
compared to ~90% on my personal mailbox with the same corpus.  It works 
pretty well...hopefully with a bit more training on current scipy list 
spam, it will improve some.
-- 
Joe Cooper <joe@swelltech.com>
Web caching appliances and support.
http://www.swelltech.com


From leob at mailcom.com  Thu May 29 23:59:27 2003
From: leob at mailcom.com (Leonid Broukhis)
Date: Fri May 30 02:00:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Database cleaning?
Message-ID: <3ED6F33F.9050000@mailcom.com>

Dear Developers,

many thanks for the cool program, it helps already, just a few hours after
installation. I have a question, though: the spammers actively employ
subject line chaffing (inserting nonsensical words or random letter
sequences): does this cause database pollution and is there a way to weed
those (usually unique) entries out?

I only have 200 Mb in my "virtual server" ISP account, and the database is 
closing up to 3 Mb after one day.

Thanks,
	Leo


From DF at damartin.com  Fri May 30 12:49:09 2003
From: DF at damartin.com (David Fox)
Date: Fri May 30 06:29:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows NT
Message-ID: <2475B0099742D611A87A0090273D9E7E0FFC7E@NTSERVER>

Hi,

The majority of clients on my network run Outlook 2000 on NT workstations.
Is Spambayes compatible with this combination?

Yours

David Fox

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From anthony at interlink.com.au  Fri May 30 21:58:43 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Fri May 30 06:58:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows NT 
In-Reply-To: <2475B0099742D611A87A0090273D9E7E0FFC7E@NTSERVER> 
Message-ID: <200305301058.h4UAwhS05455@localhost.localdomain>


>>> David Fox wrote
> Hi,
> 
> The majority of clients on my network run Outlook 2000 on NT workstations.
> Is Spambayes compatible with this combination?

The page http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html lists what's 
known at the moment. NT isn't specifically listed there, but assuming 
it's like win2k, it should work. Give it a go and let us know the
results, and we can add it to the list!

Anthony

From johnsone at titanlink.com  Fri May 30 06:00:26 2003
From: johnsone at titanlink.com (Eldon Johnson)
Date: Fri May 30 07:07:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Works it MS Messager
Message-ID: <01C32669.C0593840@ERJSERVER>

Please tell me if Spambayes will work with Microsoft's Messager 4.0 from the oldies in Win98. thank you for your time...............ERJ

From Giulio.Spinelli at italtel.it  Fri May 30 14:52:40 2003
From: Giulio.Spinelli at italtel.it (Spinelli Giulio)
Date: Fri May 30 07:52:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with outlook2000
Message-ID: <C160446281CDD311820B00A0C9A086AD01A40792@imads5.milano.italtel.it>

Goodmornig,

I've installed a binary version but  

When I start Outlook, there is no Anti-Spam item in the toolbar.  To resolve
this:
I've performed the following steps: 
Start Outlook, and select Tools->Options to display the main Options dialog.

Select the tab labelled Other, then click on the Advanced button. 
Click on the COM Add-Ins button. 
The SpamBayes addin is listed but not checked, then simply check it and
close the dialog. 

Up to here is fine but reopening the dialog with the COM Add-Ins button 
the SpamBayes addin is listed but not checked again !!!!

I've tried many and many times with different operation-sequences but still
it is not possible to have the addin checked.

I'm using NT o.s. and  SpamBayes is the only pligin in the list.

I think that is a problem of OutlookSetup, can you help me to manage it ?

Regards Giulio.

P.S. Sorry for the English but it is not my mothertongue and I live in
Italy.

From burdick at research.ge.com  Fri May 30 11:59:20 2003
From: burdick at research.ge.com (Burdick, William E (Research))
Date: Fri May 30 11:00:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <FBE90DFC240BA541B38A43F39913A16D0749B123@xmb02crdge.crd.ge.com>

Upon arriving at work today I found, for the first time this year, no SPAM
in my Inbox.  SPAM Bayes, after training on only 9 known SPAMs and 40 known
good emails performed wonderfully ... so far it has correctly identified 4
SPAMs as SPAM, 8 SPAMs as possible SPAM, and only one good email as possible
SPAM.  I expect improvements in accuracy as the system has additional
opportunity to learn.  Even if accuracy does not improve I am delighted with
this tool's performance.

MANY THANKS for your efforts.

Bill


From drw at dennisuniform.com  Fri May 30 09:02:02 2003
From: drw at dennisuniform.com (Don Wyman)
Date: Fri May 30 11:02:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Will not register
Message-ID: <12BEB02D0E22D411894300A0C9FC083EF40278@dunt1.dennisuniform.com>

The spambayes_addin.dll will not register at installation or manually on my
Windows 2000 pro pc.....I had it installed once, had to make a change to
Outlook and now after uninstalling spambayes and trying to reinstall it
again...get:
 
dllregisterserver in spambayes_admin.dll failed....return code 0xc0000005
 
removed all occurrences of spam out of the registry, did a regclean, tried
to reinstall...still get errors!
 
I really would like to use this utility, it was working fine at one
time...now I can not get it to install...Help!!
 
Thanks...Don Wyman
From tim at fourstonesexpressions.com  Fri May 30 11:11:54 2003
From: tim at fourstonesexpressions.com (Tim Stone)
Date: Fri May 30 11:12:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Spambayes Digest, Vol 57, Issue 101
In-Reply-To: <00e801c3261c$6f36ada0$a100a8c0@zlichstein>
References: <E19LT6X-0005L7-01@mail.python.org>
	<00e801c3261c$6f36ada0$a100a8c0@zlichstein>
Message-ID: <oprpzq54jq34x2gn@mail.fourstonesexpressions.com>

On Thu, 29 May 2003 12:56:40 -0700, Zander <zander@zan.com> wrote:


> The problem is definitely that there are no exception handlers around the
> lines:
>
> prs._parseheaders(self, fp)
>
> and
>
> prs._parsebody(self, fp)

I'm working on this one, dudes.

>
> But I'm just not sure how to pass a "skip this message" back up the chain
> properly...

This is THE problem.


c'est moi - TimS

From jhinkle at autobaseinc.com  Fri May 30 11:54:59 2003
From: jhinkle at autobaseinc.com (Jon Hinkle)
Date: Fri May 30 11:53:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] I have a resolution for an install problem
Message-ID: <DLEFLAIBMINKHHLMMALKAEDBKFAA.jhinkle@autobaseinc.com>

Hey Guys

  Great so far!  I had a problem with the installation in that the
spambayes_addin.dll wouldn't register on my system.  Well, I'm a software
developer and I know a little bit about this, so I ignored the error on your
install and ran regsvr32 on that dll and it installed just fine then.  Maybe
you've packaged a different regsvr32 with your install.  I don't know, but
it registered fine once I did that.  Anyway I opened Outlook and looked for
the buttons your about page was speaking about but didn't see those so I
followed the troubleshooting guide by going to the COM-Addins button under
the Advanced button on the "Other" tab.  I noticed that the spambayes addin
was there and it was checked, but there were no buttons and the
troubleshooting guide said that you were stumped.  Well, all I did was
remove that add-in and then I add it back in through the add-in manager
there and just pointed back to the original installation folder.  I'm making
this sound more difficult than it is.  Basically, just remove and add the
spambayes_addin.dll file from the COM-Addin manager within Outlook and it
should appear there.  At least that's all I did and it works now.  That
could be another alternative for your troubleshooting guide besides, "I'm
stumped".  I've heard good things about this software so I'm hoping it does
better than what I've had before.

Thanks

Jon Hinkle
Software Developer
Autobase, Inc.
(317) 806-7911
(317) 842-4242


From drw at dennisuniform.com  Fri May 30 10:42:57 2003
From: drw at dennisuniform.com (Don Wyman)
Date: Fri May 30 12:43:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Can't register sapmbayes on my PC?????
Message-ID: <12BEB02D0E22D411894300A0C9FC083EF40279@dunt1.dennisuniform.com>

The spambayes_addin.dll will not register at installation or manually on my
Windows 2000 pro pc.....I had it installed once, had to make a change to
Outlook and now after uninstalling spambayes and trying to reinstall it
again...I get a return code 0 error, will not register dll.
 
I then tried the regsvr32 spambayes_addin.dll command in the sambayes
directory and get the following error:
 
dllregisterserver in spambayes_admin.dll failed....return code 0xc0000005
 
removed all occurrences of spam out of the registry, did a regclean, tried
to reinstall...still get the errors. I really would like to use this
utility, it was working fine at one time...now I can not get it to
install...Help!!
 
Thanks...Don Wyman
From neale at woozle.org  Fri May 30 10:46:37 2003
From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett)
Date: Fri May 30 12:46:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie experiences (Emacs + VM) and questions.
In-Reply-To: <16086.30840.634464.946319@monster.linux.in> (Prabhu
	Ramachandran's message of "Fri, 30 May 2003 02:45:36 +0530")
References: <16086.30840.634464.946319@monster.linux.in>
Message-ID: <w53d6i07576.fsf@woozle.org>

Hi Prabhu.  This is excellent!  I've added it to spambayes.el (included
at the end of this message).  Please try this out and let me know if it
works for you.  If it does, I'll check it in to CVS.

> A few more questions/feature requests/whatnot:
>
>   1. Is the approach I use above a decent approach, i.e. training
>   messages as they are received and then correcting errors using
>   retraining.  It works fairly well for me but I've not tested it for
>   very long.
>
>   2. Is it a good idea to train on every incoming message or are there
>   better approaches?

I did this (train on everything) for a while, but I've found that
mistake- and unsure-based training has been working very well for me.
IIRC, this is even how Tim Peters does it.  So you don't train on
incoming messages, you only train on the ones that spambayes got wrong.

>   3. At the moment I receive more HAM than SPAM.  Does this matter or
>   make no difference?

It doesn't seem to matter for me.

>   4. I see that some folks retrain the whole database every so often.
>   Is this necessary?  If so why?

I think people do this as a way of pruning their database.

>   5. It would be nice if hammie.py would retrain on any messages that
>   had an X-Spambayes-Trained header i.e. if Hammie.train(...) would
>   check for the header and if found retrain.  If this is intentionally
>   not done it needs to be documented somewhere.  Its a little
>   confusing (for a newbie) if there are different scripts with similar
>   options. :)

I know :(  I may be able to get back in and fix this soon, as $FIRM may
let me start working on the project again soon.  But in the meantime,
feel free to hurl invectives my way about the myriad confusing options
to the myriad similar command-line utilities :)


Here's a new spambayes.el:


---8<---
;; spambayes.el -- integrate spambayes into Gnus
;; Copyright (C) 2003 Neale Pickett <neale@woozle.org>
;; Time-stamp: <2003-05-30 09:40:00 neale>

;; This is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under
;; the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free
;; Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option) any later
;; version.

;; This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but
;; WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the GNU
;; General Public License for more details.

;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with GNU Emacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to the
;; Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.

;; Purpose:
;;
;; Functions to put spambayes into Gnus.  
;;
;; This assumes you are already filtering with a procmail recipie
;; similar to:
;;
;;   :0fw
;;   | hammiefilter.py -t
;;
;; If you can't run procmail on all your incoming messages, you shold
;; have a look at spam.el, which is included with Oort Gnus.
;;
;; This binds "B s" to "refile as spam", and "B h" to "refile as ham".
;; After refiling, the message is rescored and respooled.  I haven't yet
;; run across a case where refiling doesn't change a message's score
;; well into the ham or spam range.  If this happens to you, please let
;; me know.

;; Installation:
;;
;;
;; GNUS
;; ----
;; To install, just drop this file in your load path, and insert the
;; following lines in ~/.gnus:
;;
;; (load-library "spambayes")
;; (add-hook
;;  'gnus-sum-load-hook
;;  (lambda nil
;;    (define-key gnus-summary-mode-map [(B) (s)] 'spambayes-gnus-refile-as-spam)
;;    (define-key gnus-summary-mode-map [(B) (h)] 'spambayes-gnus-refile-as-ham)))
;;
;;
;; VM (Courtesy of Prabhu Ramachandran <prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in>)
;; ----
;; Put the following in ~/.vm:
;;
;; (define-key vm-mode-map "ls" 'spambayes-gnus-retrain-as-spam)
;; (define-key vm-summary-mode-map "ls" 'spambayes-gnus-retrain-as-spam)
;; (define-key vm-mode-map "lh" 'spambayes-gnus-retrain-as-ham)
;; (define-key vm-summary-mode-map "lh" 'spambayes-gnus-retrain-as-ham)
;; 
;; (setq vm-auto-folder-alist
;;       '(("X-Spambayes-Classification:" ("spam" . "~/vmmail/SPAM"))
;;         ("X-Spambayes-Classification:" ("unsure" . "~/vmmail/UNSURE"))
;;         )
;; )

(defvar spambayes-spam-group "spam"
  "Group name for spam messages")

(defvar spambayes-hammiefilter "~/src/spambayes/hammiefilter.py"
  "Path to the hammiefilter program")

;; Gnus

(defun spambayes-gnus-retrain (is-spam)
  "Retrain on all processable articles, or the one under the cursor.

This will replace the buffer contents with command output.  You can then
respool the article.

is-spam is a boolean--true if you want to retrain the message as spam,
false if you want to retrain as ham.
"
  (labels ((do-exec (n group is-spam)
		    (message "Retraining...")
		    (with-temp-buffer
		      (gnus-request-article-this-buffer n group)
		      (shell-command-on-region
		       (point-min)
		       (point-max)
		       (concat
			spambayes-hammiefilter
			(if is-spam " -s" " -g")
			" -f")
		       (current-buffer)
		       t)
		      (gnus-request-replace-article n group (current-buffer)))
		    (message "Retrained article.")))
    (let ((group gnus-newsgroup-name)
	  (list gnus-newsgroup-processable))
      (if (>= (length list) 1)
	  (while list
	    (let ((n (car list)))
	      (do-exec n group is-spam))
	    (setq list (cdr list)))
	(let ((n (gnus-summary-article-number)))
	  (do-exec n group is-spam))))))

(defun spambayes-gnus-refile-as-spam ()
  "Retrain and refilter all process-marked messages as spam, then respool them"
  (interactive)
  (spambayes-retrain 't)
  (gnus-summary-respool-article nil (gnus-group-method gnus-newsgroup-name)))

(defun spambayes-gnus-refile-as-ham ()
  "Retrain and refilter all process-marked messages as ham, then respool them"
  (interactive)
  (spambayes-retrain nil)
  (gnus-summary-respool-article nil (gnus-group-method gnus-newsgroup-name)))


;;; VM

(defun spambayes-vm-retrain (is-spam)
  "Retrain on all processable articles, or the one under the cursor.

is-spam is a boolean--true if you want to retrain the message as spam,
false if you want to retrain as ham.
"
  (interactive)
  (message (concat "Retraining" (if is-spam " as SPAM" " as HAM") " ..."))
  (vm-pipe-message-to-command 
   (concat spambayes-hammiefilter (if is-spam " -s" " -g") " -f") nil)
  (message (concat "Done retraining messages" 
                   (if is-spam " as SPAM" " as HAM") ".") )
)

(defun spambayes-vm-retrain-as-spam ()
  "Retrain and refilter messages as spam"
  (interactive)
  (spambayes-retrain 't)
)

(defun spambayes-vm-retrain-as-ham ()
  "Retrain and refilter messages as ham"
  (interactive)
  (spambayes-retrain nil)
)


From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Fri May 30 11:14:47 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Fri May 30 13:14:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie experiences (Emacs + VM) and questions. 
In-Reply-To: Message from Neale Pickett <neale@woozle.org> 
	of "Fri, 30 May 2003 09:46:37 PDT." <w53d6i07576.fsf@woozle.org> 
References: <16086.30840.634464.946319@monster.linux.in>
	<w53d6i07576.fsf@woozle.org> 
Message-ID: <20030530171447.8C6AE2DE9C@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <w53d6i07576.fsf@woozle.org>
             Neale Pickett <neale@woozle.org> writes:
>
>>   4. I see that some folks retrain the whole database every so often.
>>   Is this necessary?  If so why?
>
>I think people do this as a way of pruning their database.

That's one of the reasons for me; the other is so that stuff expires
from my classifier (and thus the mutation of spam doesn't dillute
the effectiveness of the classifer - not that such dillution has been
empirically shown to exist. ;-) ).

Call back in another year and a half and I might have real numbers
about spam mutation affecting the accuracy rates.

- Alex

From Randy.Barth at gsfc.nasa.gov  Fri May 30 14:44:17 2003
From: Randy.Barth at gsfc.nasa.gov (Randy Barth)
Date: Fri May 30 13:44:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Feedback
Message-ID: <000d01c326d3$17e144e0$cda2b780@focus.local>

I just installed the Outlook plug-in on my Windows 2000/Outlook 2002 system.
Two comments for your edification:

-It wasn't clear whether to install as administrator of the machine, or as
the non-administration account I normally run my email under.  I did the
former and, while it appeared if I ran Outlook as administrator, it didn't
appear on my normal email account.  So I installed a second time (without
uninstalling) as the normal user id and everything looks fine.  If it is
really unnecessary to install as administrator first, you may want to
include that in your install info.  If it is necessary to install twice,
knowing that rather than guessing would also be useful.

-While setting up for training, I had an Outlook reminder go off and the
popup screen froze Outlook.  I could neither clear the reminder popup nor
get a response from the AntiSpam Manager.  I think this occurred while I was
picking the folders for training.  Later when I was running the training I
also got a reminder but I was able to clear that one in the normal fashion
and the training continued without problems.

Good luck on your continued work.  (And here's hoping that Hormel doesn't
come after you for the ham is what spam isn't implications!)

	-Randy Barth, Goddard/NASA



From LPeck at etisc.com  Fri May 30 14:56:36 2003
From: LPeck at etisc.com (Libby Peck)
Date: Fri May 30 13:57:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] No Anti-Spam Item in Outlook Toolbar
Message-ID: <E5A55AF12CD58C4DBA31132D96B382D660F033@server2.gnc.local>

I have been testing SpamBayes Add-In for Outlook. 
I have installed the software (Python 2.2 http://www.python.org
<http://www.python.org/> , Win32-152.exe
http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/win32/Downloads.html) on five
systems (Two - Win XP Pro, Two  - Win2k, and One- Win98)  
I have installed the add-in using the installer
(http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/applications.html ) and also by
manually running addin.py. Niether installation has worked on this
system. There is no anti-spam item in Outlook toolbar. All of the
systems are running Outlook 2002 SP2.  The second Win XP Pro system is
identical and it is working normally. I do not receive any errors during
installation, which completes normally. There is no spambayes1.log file
created. 
I reviewed the troubleshooting.html document and found
................... 
*	If you are running from source code, please re-register the
addin, as per the README.txt file. 
I have reviewed all readme.txt files but have not located instructions
on re-registering the add-in.  I enjoyed the technician's last response
in the troubleshooting document (under binary code troubleshooting)
.................. 
6. If the SpamBayes addin is listed and checked, but still not working
and still not creating log files, then I am stumped! 
............ but I hope someone has this figured out by now *S*
 
Thanks,
Libby
 
 
From gumzilla at voicenet.com  Fri May 30 20:20:07 2003
From: gumzilla at voicenet.com (Henry)
Date: Fri May 30 19:21:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] New feaure request
Message-ID: <MKEIKEGJPADJEJBDKAICOEGFCEAA.gumzilla@voicenet.com>

First of all- well done!  I'm very happy that I found out about SpamBayes.
So far, it looks like the system is correctly identifying every item on
which it is trained.  Even so (you knew this was coming, right?) I'd like to
see an option added- upon filtering, I'd love to have spam messages
permanently deleted instead of just moving them to the "deleted" folder.  I
think that this would add another level of flexibility that would be most
welcome.

Thanks!


Henry Hayden




From david.stewart at shaw.ca  Fri May 30 18:53:49 2003
From: david.stewart at shaw.ca (david.stewart@shaw.ca)
Date: Fri May 30 20:53:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] New feaure request
Message-ID: <1b7fbb1b9729.1b97291b7fbb@shaw.ca>

Why not just set Outlook to automatically purge the deleted items on exit?

----- Original Message -----
From: Henry <gumzilla@voicenet.com>
Date: Friday, May 30, 2003 4:20 pm
Subject: [Spambayes] New feaure request

> First of all- well done!  I'm very happy that I found out about 
> SpamBayes.So far, it looks like the system is correctly 
> identifying every item on
> which it is trained.  Even so (you knew this was coming, right?) 
> I'd like to
> see an option added- upon filtering, I'd love to have spam messages
> permanently deleted instead of just moving them to the "deleted" 
> folder.  I
> think that this would add another level of flexibility that would 
> be most
> welcome.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> Henry Hayden
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes mailing list
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> 


From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri May 30 23:30:10 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri May 30 22:32:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Feedback
In-Reply-To: <000d01c326d3$17e144e0$cda2b780@focus.local>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEFAEIAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Randy Barth]
> ...
> Good luck on your continued work.  (And here's hoping that Hormel
> doesn't come after you for the ham is what spam isn't implications!)

Here's Hormel's official statement; their lawyer apparently told them they
had as much chance of coming down on geeks for using "spam" as DuPont had of
coming down on journalists for calling Ronald Reagan "teflon" <wink>:

    http://www.spam.com/ci/ci_in.htm



From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri May 30 23:41:55 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri May 30 22:42:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <FBE90DFC240BA541B38A43F39913A16D0749B123@xmb02crdge.crd.ge.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEFBEIAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Burdick, William E (Research)]
> Upon arriving at work today I found, for the first time this year, no
> SPAM in my Inbox.

SPAM (all uppercase) is a registered trademark of Hormel Foods Corporation.
The crap in your inbox is just spam <wink>.

> SPAM Bayes, after training on only 9 known SPAMs and 40 known good
> emails performed wonderfully ... so far it has correctly identified 4
> SPAMs as SPAM, 8 SPAMs as possible SPAM, and only one good email as
> possible SPAM.  I expect improvements in accuracy as the system has
> additional opportunity to learn.  Even if accuracy does not improve
> I am delighted with this tool's performance.

Accuracy should improve enormously over this.  "Possible spam" is a phrase I
hate:  I call it "unsure", and that's what it is -- the system has
conflicting evidence about the nature of a message, and simply doesn't know
what to call it.  For *some* people Unsures are usually spam, for others
they're usually ham, and for people like me it varies from week to week.  In
any case, training on Unsures is important -- except when they're messages
you have a hard time deciding about yourself!  The system is remarkable in
finding those too.

As a general tip, you'll probably get best results if you strive to balance
the number of ham and spam you train on.  If you need more spam in order to
do this, just put your email address somewhere on the web <wink>.

> MANY THANKS for your efforts.

Thank you!  It's a labor of love by a large cast of characters, and everyone
appreciates being appreciated.


From cirkus at communityservices.com  Sat May 31 08:56:01 2003
From: cirkus at communityservices.com (Bill Cirkus)
Date: Sat May 31 07:43:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training
Message-ID: <81867992CD17D5119103000102D0FB7936A673@CIRKUS-NT2>

I have installed your product on my home PC, from which I retrieve my email
via a VPN, connected to my office exchange server. Since I log off my office
PC when I'm not there, and my home PC when I'm not there, I think I need
your product installed on both PC's. Is there a way to export the file that
was created in the training process on my home PC, so I can import it into
my office PC?
Bill Cirkus   

From slinthic at nycap.rr.com  Sat May 31 10:18:15 2003
From: slinthic at nycap.rr.com (Steve Linthicum)
Date: Sat May 31 09:18:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook express
Message-ID: <000801c32777$182ed620$6501a8c0@vaio>

Should spambayes be compatible with outlook express???  I've done all installation steps, no errors reported but outlook express does not have spam drop down menu item when I run it.

Any help appreciated.

Thanks,
Steve L.
From skip at pobox.com  Sat May 31 09:39:59 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sat May 31 09:40:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training
In-Reply-To: <81867992CD17D5119103000102D0FB7936A673@CIRKUS-NT2>
References: <81867992CD17D5119103000102D0FB7936A673@CIRKUS-NT2>
Message-ID: <16088.45231.820713.96987@montanaro.dyndns.org>

    Bill> via a VPN, connected to my office exchange server. Since I log off
    Bill> my office PC when I'm not there, and my home PC when I'm not
    Bill> there, I think I need your product installed on both PC's. Is
    Bill> there a way to export the file that was created in the training
    Bill> process on my home PC, so I can import it into my office PC?

You should be able to just toss the training database on a floppy and
transport it between PCs.  I'm not in my office at the moment so I can't
check where it's located on the PC.  I pulled this out of a previous message
from Tim Peters:

    If you have a directory somewhere (assuming Win2K) like

        \Documents and Settings\
            YOUR_LOGIN_NAME\
                Application Data\
                    SpamBayes\

    then it's hiding config and database info in there...

The contents of that folder will probably be what you're looking for, though
you should experiment without blowing stuff away.  And you definitely
*don't* want to be replacing those files while Outlook is running.

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Sat May 31 09:47:51 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sat May 31 09:47:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook express
In-Reply-To: <000801c32777$182ed620$6501a8c0@vaio>
References: <000801c32777$182ed620$6501a8c0@vaio>
Message-ID: <16088.45703.265351.458991@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Steve> Should spambayes be compatible with outlook express???  I've done
    Steve> all installation steps, no errors reported but outlook express
    Steve> does not have spam drop down menu item when I run it.

The Outlook plugin doesn't work with Outlook Express, though you can use the
pop3 or imap proxies between your POP3 or IMAP server.  Check the FAQ for
details (question 2.2):

    http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html

Skip

(P.S. Your name seems familiar to me.  I used to live in the Albany area and
see you're posting from there.)

From seant at webreply.com  Sat May 31 10:54:43 2003
From: seant at webreply.com (Sean True)
Date: Sat May 31 09:55:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Announcement: SpamAtBay Outllok Add-in Beta Candidate 8
Message-ID: <MJEHLHJKGINLONDMMKNEMEHJLKAA.seant@webreply.com>

For the new people on the list: SpamAtBay is a soon to be available
commercial version of the Spambayes addin for Outlook. Any reader of this
list who would like to beta test for us is welcome to a permanent license --
and anyone who is a SpamBayes developer can have the license without
anything other just asking. In either case, just e-mail me.

Brief history: I wrote the first, really, really bad integration with
Outlook, using VBA and a Python COM server. Mark Hammond thought the idea
was neat, but that the execution was, err, flawed, and pretty much rewrote
it from scratch. Over the last few weeks, I've had a team of several people
working on polishing, layout, docs, QA, and (gag) marketing oriented
features. We're going to release a supported version sometime soon.

We're focusing on Tim's "easy enough for my sister" metric.

Supported systems: Win98SE, ME, NT 4, Win2K, XP; Outlook 2000/2002/XP.
Not supported: Win95; Outlook Express.

Release 1.0 Beta Candidate 8 (0.97)
Reliability and bug fixes. If you are an Exchange user having problems,
please install this release.

1) Hitting the It's Spam button reliably moves the message to the Spam
folder
2) Process missed messages after changing rules
3) Numerous changes to folder navigation, to survive Exchange and Hotmail
idiosyncracies
4) Hotmail folders are not watchable (to be fixed)
5) Log folder that message arrived in
6) Fix bug in getting folder name
7) Bitmaps for installer
8) Menu tree changes (Advanced split into Advanced and Support)
9) Spelling and punctuation fixes
10) Use SpamBayes application data directory if present, but create a new
SpamAtBay directory if not. (If you switch to SpamBayes, you'll need to
manually copy your data files, but they _will_ work.
11) Support/Troubleshooting brings up correct HTML file
12) Added Purchase button to registration dialog, goes to web site. (No
purchase required for any beta user, but someday this will do something).
13) Fix for RedThumb on clipboard problem (text only)
14) Senderlist left and down from mouse.
15) Detect Outlook running during install
16) Support mail now goes to spamatbay.com
17) Uninstall now cleans out registration keys



From skip at pobox.com  Sat May 31 12:15:57 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sat May 31 12:15:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training
In-Reply-To: <81867992CD17D5119103000102D0FB7936A674@CIRKUS-NT2>
References: <81867992CD17D5119103000102D0FB7936A674@CIRKUS-NT2>
Message-ID: <16088.54589.409025.270474@montanaro.dyndns.org>


(make sure when asking for help you cc the list.)

>>>>> "Bill" == Bill Cirkus <cirkus@communityservices.com> writes:

    Bill> I can find the directory that Spambayes is in, but can't identify
    Bill> the specific files(s) that contain the config and database
    Bill> info. Can you identify them?

    Bill> The only files that have a date stamp of 5/29/03, when I installed
    Bill> the program, are located either in the folder:
    Bill> support\gen_py\00062FFF-0000-0000-C000-000000000046x0x9x0 or
    Bill> support\gen_py\2DF8D04C-5BFA-101B-BDE5-00AA0044DE52x0x2x1

    Bill> The rest have a date stamp of sometime in March 2003 or earlier.

I can't identify them without poking around the actual computer at work.
Perhaps someone else on the list with more Windows experience (Tim's sisters
have more Windows experience than I do) knows.

Skip

From popiel at wolfskeep.com  Sat May 31 11:00:37 2003
From: popiel at wolfskeep.com (T. Alexander Popiel)
Date: Sat May 31 13:00:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Database cleaning? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Leonid Broukhis <leob@mailcom.com> 
	of "Thu, 29 May 2003 22:59:27 PDT." <3ED6F33F.9050000@mailcom.com> 
References: <3ED6F33F.9050000@mailcom.com> 
Message-ID: <20030531170037.10DB82DDF2@cashew.wolfskeep.com>

In message:  <3ED6F33F.9050000@mailcom.com>
             Leonid Broukhis <leob@mailcom.com> writes:

>many thanks for the cool program, it helps already, just a few hours after
>installation. I have a question, though: the spammers actively employ
>subject line chaffing (inserting nonsensical words or random letter
>sequences): does this cause database pollution and is there a way to weed
>those (usually unique) entries out?

Yes, those words cause database pollution, and yes, they can be
weeded out with just a handful of lines of code... but it's
hard to tell which hapax legomena will be useless, and which
will soon get reinforced by other occurences, so it's (IMNSHO)
generally not worth the hassle.

>I only have 200 Mb in my "virtual server" ISP account, and the database is 
>closing up to 3 Mb after one day.

Don't worry too hard about it.  With 4 months of data, my database
is only 21 meg.  The DB growth slows down a lot after the first
couple days.

- Alex

From piersh at friskit.com  Sat May 31 15:21:08 2003
From: piersh at friskit.com (Piers Haken)
Date: Sat May 31 17:17:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Non-pickle database with outlook plugin
Message-ID: <9891913C5BFE87429D71E37F08210CB92C75F6@zeus.sfhq.friskit.com>

I was wondering if some kind soul could tell me how to set up the oulook
plugin so that it uses bsdbb3 (or similar) instead of pickles for
storing its database. I'm getting bored of waiting 5 minutes for outlook
to start/stop and having to retrain every time outlook crashes.

I know there must be instructions omewhere, but I can't find any.

Many thanks.
Piers.